[Renall]

Originally Posted by naikou

The culprit really is not important. By not revealing it, Ryukishi says "Blaming someone was not the point of my work, and I don't want anyone to think that it ever was." He wrote a story about compassion and tolerance, not assigning blame. That's what the story has been about since EP4 onward. Sometimes it is better to leave the truth unknown.

No, it isn't. If you believe that, you are pretty much in tacit support of evil in the world.

And if anyone "thinks that it ever was" important, it's because Ryukishi himself MADE IT IMPORTANT. People did not pluck this idea idiotically out of thin air. It's important because he created the impression that an injustice may have been done. It is evil to say "eh, but if it was, it doesn't matter to Ange so it doesn't matter to anyone."

Gohda's Mom Problem. Stop giving a bad resolution a pass because you don't care.

I think if your main concern is about finding the "true culprit", then you've missed the point of Umineko rather badly. But what do I know, I'm just a silly armchair philosopher.

Yeah, what do you know, again? if it's the point that you've got in your mind, by all means explain it to me because I clearly didn't "get it."

Originally Posted by Leafsnail

...If you actually were in Ange's position, I don't think it'd be an entirely bad thing to put it to the back of your mind and move on with your life. It doesn't mean you've forgiven the criminal or Kinzo... you're just using "magic" so that your life isn't destroyed even more than it needs to be.

Other people exist besides Ange.

Originally Posted by naikou

The point of Erika wasn't to say, "All mystery fans are evil!". It was to say, "People who are so concerned about finding the truth that they're blind to the problems they cause are evil."

You are blind to the injustice which may have existed. You are allowing evil to succeed (well, not exactly as you can't influence the novel's world, but your position is morally reprehensible). Doesn't exactly make you any better.

Originally Posted by Jan-Poo

Forgiveness?
How can I forgive someone without even knowing who is the sinner and what's the sin?
Ah! I'm ready to forgive anyone anytime, as long as they show their face and they show regret for their actions and the will to take responsibility.

I see nothing of that. Talking about forgiveness at these conditions is unacceptable.

God, a million times this. Nobody gets forgiveness until they admit what they did and that it was wrong. As far as we even know, Beatrice wasn't guilty of anything, so she doesn't even have to be forgiven for a murder if there was one. But somebody is. They can't be forgiven or condemned if that information is unknown.

"Well some things are unknowable!"

Okay, then evil won in Umineko. Evil. Won. And nobody cares because Beatrice and Battler were too selfish, because Eva was too selfish, because Ange was too selfish. Because no one actually cares about anyone but themselves. You ever notice how selfish and possessive so much of the "love" in Umineko is? Hell, Yasu's love for Battler seems almost hopelessly selfish. The only person who loved unconditionally was Maria and we all see where that got her.

So yeah, I can't condemn the culprit, but I guess I can condemn all the protagonists. They're terrible, terrible people. They are indirect agents of the culprit (presuming, again, there was one, and if there wasn't that should be known) and they ensured his or her victory.

There's your precious "moral." Money and greed blind a person to the truth. Love blinds people just as hard. That may not be what he's saying directly, but that's what the text actually shows: Love and truth are in direct opposition in Ryukishi's mind.

What a deplorable state of affairs.