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| 01:50 | twb | OK, so I finally get around to trying to get Darcs on Debian back up to speed |
| 01:51 | Before I spend all day on this, will this combination work? mmap-0.5.7 hashed-storage-0.5.6 darcs-2.5.2 ? | |
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| 04:38 | Heffalump | twb: don't see why not |
| 04:48 | twb | Good-o |
| 04:48 | Nearly done -- was easier than I thought, once I gave up on pbuilder | |
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| 05:56 | twb | Whew, finally officially stepping down as Debian Darcs maintainer, after being inactive for like two years. |
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| 09:54 | kowey | hmm, some unhappy redditors unhappy about Darcs getting two projects this year |
| 09:55 | well, yes Eric, unhappy redditors would be unhappy, now wouldn't they? | |
| 09:56 | mornfall: I was asked about your proposal: "what things are currently "impossible"? | |
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| 10:37 | alpounet | kowey, whee for the 2 projects! |
| 10:37 | let them be unhappy | |
| 10:37 | dixie | 07:56 < twb> Whew, finally officially stepping down as Debian Darcs maintainer, after being inactive for like two years. |
| 10:37 | alpounet | they just don't understand proposal get scores and the ones with the best scores get selected |
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| 11:13 | kowey | well, the voting is only part of the process, but it's useful as a sentiment barometer |
| 11:14 | in an ideal world, we'd be able to come up with snappy answers like "darcsden: now with github linking" (the idea being to somehow send pull requests to github and received them) | |
| 11:14 | imagine if the Darcs bridge work goes well enough that this sort of work becomes possible | |
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| 11:18 | alpounet | that'd be awesome yeah |
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| 18:06 | Topic for #darcs is now can't talk? see -> | http://wiki.darcs.net/IRC | http://darcs.net/ | latest is 2.5.2 | |
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| 18:29 | gwern | http://www.gwern.net/Haskell%2[…]ting-2011-results is relevant to this channel's interests... |
| 18:31 | kowey | thanks |
| 18:31 | owst | gwern: I'm glad you think my project will succeed - I certainly hope so, and proposed a project I thought would be both valuable _and_ doable, so let's see what happens over the summer! |
| 18:33 | kowey | mornfall and I did discuss the proposal beforehand... one thing to clear up first of all is that this is very specifically about the primitive patch level and not a wider patch theory project |
| 18:33 | the difference being that it's easier to do in a SoC project | |
| 18:34 | owst | Also, mornfall has the advantage of being very experienced with the Darcs code-base, and its concepts - he's not going to require time to "get used to it" so I'd argue he's certainly not the average SoC student... |
| 18:34 | kowey | I think mornfall has also put a good show of effort into thinking about (A) building off previous thinking on the matter (see his proposal), (B) fitting into the Darcs agenda -- particularly in aiming for this work to happen in mainline with the help of recent refactors and also to result in some cleanups and (C) making the project telescope |
| 18:34 | gwern | owst: well, in a sense, that's a negative for the project as well as a positive implementation-wise - SoCs are in part about bringing new people into communiities |
| 18:35 | kowey | by telescope I mean, have a sane ordering of can-do to would-be-awesome |
| 18:35 | Heffalump | gwern: yeah, though the Haskell mentors didn't see it that way |
| 18:35 | kowey | (the mental image being that you can collapse a telescope) |
| 18:36 | gwern | owst: I didn't mention that because I'm trying to not be unrelentingly negative, and because investigating backgrounds of everyone would require hours of work |
| 18:36 | kowey | (sorry, I misread and see now that gwern did catch that this was primpatch specific) |
| 18:36 | owst | gwern: in part, but not in full - they are ultimately also about "getting code written" for a project and that's certainly going to happen for mornfall's project! |
| 18:36 | gwern | owst: that's the same reason I don't also judge SoCs by whether the student continued on in the community - because it'd be too damn much work |
| 18:36 | owst | gwern: sure, I thought as much. |
| 18:37 | gwern | owst: even though the student's future work would probably flip a number of projects from failure to success and vice-versa (eg. what has spencer janssen been doing lately? how many of the SoC students you see on the page did that and have not been heard from since like Mun of Frag?) |
| 18:38 | so, I just judge on whether the code gets used a lot and whether it did something valuable | |
| 18:44 | kowey | it's a project that has long-term value for Darcs |
| 18:44 | I think I agree with the last line of your prediction, "That might be a success by the Darcs’s team’s lights, but not in the sense I have been using in this history." | |
| 18:45 | although I'm certainly hoping for something better in the middle bit: code that winds up in darcs mainline plus specifications on the wiki | |
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| 21:18 | mornfall | Hey there. |
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| 21:31 | owst | hey mornfall |
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| 22:00 | * mornfall | goes to read his proposal... |
| 22:01 | mornfall | (right after I find out what is there in the Higgs humbug all around...) |
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| 22:04 | owst | Higgs humbug? |
| 22:05 | mornfall | I have been offline for a while. :) |
| 22:05 | Couple of days back there was a leaked rumour from ATLAS that they have sort-of-found a higgs. :) | |
| 22:08 | owst | Ah right, now I understand what you mean ;) Must've missed that one myself... |
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| 23:59 | mornfall | Hm. So I upgraded my Debian and now I have GHC 7 too. :) |
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