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[–]the1ine 145 points146 points  (39 children)

I don't know if I believe you but it doesn't matter. The really interesting thing here is that it's plausible. Not because of how intelligent the AI is but because of how lacking intelligence the school system is.

[–]MysteryInc152 28 points29 points  (16 children)

nah gpt 3 is just that good (for essays and the like). you don't realize until you try it for such

[–]the1ine 7 points8 points  (14 children)

Then show me. Because while it's convincing at putting words together it's not very convincing at sticking to a theme.

[–]TFenrir 21 points22 points  (13 children)

Here is an example of something. It was the first result with the prompt I used. Tell me what you think?

Prompt: Below is an amazing essay that explores the relationship between the internet and cultural revolutions around the world. It has an emotional quality, while balancing it with a matter-of-fact explanation of the state of the world.

The internet has been a force for good in many ways. It has allowed people to connect with each other and share information in a way that was previously impossible. It has also been a force for change, helping to bring about cultural revolutions in countries around the world.

In 2011, the Arab Spring began in Tunisia. This was a time of political and social unrest in the Arab world, and the internet played a significant role in it. Social media platforms such as Facebook and Twitter were used to organizing protests and sharing information about what was happening. The Arab Spring eventually spread to other countries, such as Egypt and Libya.

In China, the internet has also been used to challenge the government. In 2009, there was a series of protests against the government in the city of Urumqi. These protests were organized using social media, and they quickly spread throughout the country. The Chinese government responded by censoring the internet and cracking down on dissent. However, this has not stopped people from using the internet to challenge the government.

The internet has also been used to challenge governments in developed countries. In 2016, there was a major protest against austerity measures in Greece. This protest was organized using social media, and it quickly spread throughout Europe. The Greek government responded by shutting down access to social media platforms such as Twitter and Facebook. However, this did not stop the protesters from continuing their demonstrations.

The internet is a powerful tool that can be used for good or for ill. It has helped to bring about cultural revolutions in countries around the world, and it will continue to do so in the future.

[–]Stock-Philosophy8675 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Hey man. I just discovered openai. And it is mindblowing... probobly about to throw some money at it.

How do you get it to write full essays? I can only get like 6 or 8 lines but I'm only using the playground. Any quick tips. There's so many AMAZING tools in this thing!!!

[–]TFenrir 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Luckily it's not very expensive to use :). If you use the playground, there is a little gear in the corner that pops open and shows you more options - you want to increase the token count to something close to 4000, 3750 is good. There are other things you can change in that panel to improve results, try reading through all of them and fiddling with the ones that reduce duplicates!

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This is middle school tier writing, the fuck are you on about?

[–]elbalalaw 3 points4 points  (2 children)

It's definitely good enough for something like early highschool level homework, but there is no way this can get you an A in university

[–]KavehP2 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yep. For university you'd have to split the process. First, feed it with robust Subject - Dissertation Plans pairs and have it generate the dissertation plan you need, with detailled titles. Then continue to spli these sub-sections this way if you need even more parts. Then generate each chapter one by one ( keeping the dissertation plan and the previous "chapter" in the prompt.)

[–]MysteryInc152 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It's good enough. You just have to be more involved in the process.

[–]kafr85 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I am from greece and i can't remember social media platforms been shut down by the government ever. I ve been googling that for 20 minutes but can't find anything. Also protests in 2016 were minor compared to other more difficult years (2008 to 2013). All im saying is that this paragraph about Greece riots 2016 - social media shutting down is probably false and that's weird.

[–]Hkhalilphd 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Could you please explain in details how you did it? Thanks

[–]MemeWars_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

can you use this with Codex instead of GPT-3 and if so could you explain how because every time I try it doesn't seem to work.

[–]swooningbadger 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This essay lacks a big “so what.”

[–][deleted] 25 points26 points  (9 children)

Well, in subjects like math and chemistry, i dont use it. i’ve tried but it didnt work that well.

[–]Drstrangelove2014 9 points10 points  (5 children)

You can do some math if you use codex ;)

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (4 children)

how advanced

[–]flyblackbox 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The most advanced super calculus I believe is the limit

[–]valmian 1 point2 points  (1 child)

You can use it for calculus and statistics.

I'm a math teacher, so I recommend using it to create and solve problems to help you study. You still need to know the skills on assessments but it's a great tool for students to use.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

nice

[–]Drstrangelove2014 0 points1 point  (0 children)

pretty advanced. You need to prompt it with some sort of mathematical programming language like haskell, but most of the time even python would do. It's able to write formulas and programs that use complex formulas. If you just wanna do algebra, just use wolfram Alpha.

[–]Zestyclose_Quail_486 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Chemistry, either learn it or cheat the old fashioned way

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i do both, i like chemistry and its an interest of mine.

[–]Chancevz907 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What is the website?

[–]Drstrangelove2014 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Intelligence is therefore relative.

[–]the1ine 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Explain. How do you get to that conclusion?

[–]IwillwintheLotto 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Go and try it before you take up space here pointlessly and cloud the feed with NPC gibberish.

[–]the1ine 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Excuse me? What are you trying to accomplish here?

[–]dovihag643 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Using a throwaway bc I'm sure this is against many rules. I saw this post a couple weeks ago (shoutout big A) and started using it for myself in college. Taking an IT degree with mostly non-IT classes like accounting and finance (IT is technically a 'business' degree).

It is 100% obvious looking at the questions I pose and the responses, that something is off. If a teacher was aware that AI-generated submissions were possible, I have no doubt that I would have to edit a lot more of the generations before submitting them to fly under the radar. That being said, I have had professors straight up tell me that they don't read the homework and only grade based on the automated plagiarism score.

The education system has sucked years of my time and energy into a meaningless void. OpenAI and GPT-3 have allowed me to claw back the last scraps of that in the last few years I'll be subjected to this broken system. Recently I've have time and energy to do well at my full time job, do work and clean up around my home, take better care of my pets and myself, cook meals, and otherwise just have a life.

Please, if you're overwhelmed by the abandoned system forcing irrelevant work into your life, do everything in your power to liberate yourself from the restrictions unjustly opposed on you.

[–]kizzmysass 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lol, you really made it an argument of freedom and anarchism just to justify cheating. You spent more time making a burner acc, typing this justification in paragraphs and scrolling through reddit than you did doing the work. If you're going to use the program to cheat, fine, but don't act like you're doing something noble or "fighting against the system". No one's forcing you to go to that specific college and the "system" is meant to be equal to everyone. Even if the system is crap, it's it's still meant to be fair for everyone. Don't act like you're getting some mistreatment when you chose this path.

[–]ally1989 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I completely agree. I have been studying for most of my life and the amount of unfair grading is astronomical! I have had situations where I have tried to fight back against unfair marking and have had the institution admit one of my essays was unfairly and incorrectly marked, but still REFUSED to change my grade as it was aGaiNsT uNiVersiTy PolicY (ROBBING ME of a high distinction by a mere 2 marks!). The industry that I studied, I also worked in simultaneously ( I was upskilling) so I actually had colleagues who marked these essays (as a second job). These colleagues wouldn't know how to run water out of a tap, but somehow were grading someone's ACADEMIC work! That was the last strike for me. I spend the diligent time studying my industry and attending online courses, reading books, finding, learning and working with mentors who have years of experience and knowledge, but have ceased to base my worth in my industry on marks from an institution who obviously employes every man and his dog to mark someone's work. I am obsessed with learning! Always have been, I have spend countless sleepless nights, eating poorly and sacrificed invaluable time (that I can never get back) with my children and family to educate myself and provide an example, make a better life for us and be of use to society, to only lose faith in the education system at the end. It broke my heart how corrupt and disheartening it actually is. I don't think AI can completely write your essay for you but it sure as hell helps with writer's block and gets you started if need be. You still have to do your own research (and definitely should do it to understand what the hell you are talking about, otherwise you are just sabotaging the future you) but it takes the stress out of trying to start off. At the end of the day a essay DOES NOT, HAS NEVER AND WILL NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER! Proof your understanding of a subject. I have had students and known colleagues that write amazing essays but were unbelievably incompetent in practice and couldn't execute, explain or teach someone else, what they knew in "theory" if their life dependant on it. If using AI for help with studies gets you more time to go out there and actually learn instead of stress how to correctly word a sentence, look after yourself, spend time with your family and friends then full speed ahead.

[–]XtezlaX 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This aged very interestingly

[–]BonWattersen 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I know this is literally 6 months ago, but my school, Tækniskólinn (the tech college in Iceland), has done measures to counter-act GPT.

For example, tests in programming classes used to be writing code on our laptops, naturally GPT can just write code for you. So now it's a pencil and paper test.

[–]InvisibleDeck 239 points240 points  (52 children)

Don’t use gpt-3 for this. Being able to read and analyze text and other types of media is important to becoming a citizen and living in a society. Think for yourself, don’t let gpt3 think for you. If you want to use it to think of initial talking points that’s fine but you should find and verify the evidence yourself and rephrase it in your own terms, as well as having your own original ideas

[–][deleted] 60 points61 points  (27 children)

Oh i do that, i verify if everything is correct, and rephrase the text and shape it the way i want it.

it kinda just boosts me and finished homework more quickly.

[–]DMRuby 61 points62 points  (14 children)

It sounds like you're using it like I do, mostly for brainstorming. I'm a Ph.D. student (working with creative AI), and I use it all of the time to help with writing tasks. It's incredibly useful for like paper titles, rephrasing, etc.

I see a lot of people here overestimating current AI capabilities. It's pretty good at being a support tool in certain areas, but it's not getting anyone a degree that they couldn't get on their own. It says really believable stuff that is often wrong (it will even make up citations that don't exist!) so if you don't know it on your own, you wouldn't be able to catch it.

[–]ntotao 7 points8 points  (3 children)

Great, I use it for work and research too. Highly suggest using Logseq as note taking app (perfect for PhDs), there is a super plugin that needs just you openAI API key and you can recall gpt3 from a block, the answer will end up straight to the next block with the answer. Being in your note and not in the playground is perfect so you can rewrite/edit/back link everything.

[–]DMRuby 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ooo thank you! I will definitely look into that.

[–]uneven_hierarchy 0 points1 point  (1 child)

can u share some examples? I'm just digging in and would like to learn more from your use case

[–]ntotao 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just go straight away and install the gpt3 plugin in Logseq. You can: - summarize a block (also asking precisely in what amount of words, what style if academic abstract or telling to a friend like) - get inspired with answers: ask for the 10 points to have a richer life for example - bring in the math! You can throw in a block a specific theory and let gpt3 summarize it for you - get creative and use it as autocomplete: at the end of your text write something like "please end this story in a funny way" or "edit this story replacing humans with cats"

[–]wigglytails 5 points6 points  (8 children)

What do you use?

[–]DMRuby 9 points10 points  (7 children)

I use gpt-3. Most of the time I just interact through the playground at openai.com/api but if you have something you're doing frequently or that you'd want to do some processing to before/after and you're fine with coding, you can make your own program to do it. I have a colab notebook I use for generating D&D spells.

[–]badger_biryani 2 points3 points  (4 children)

Hey can you explain the D&D spell set up a bit more?

[–]DMRuby 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Sure! Idk how much detail you're looking for, but feel free to ask if you need more info.

Model -> gpt-3 that I fine-tuned with D&D spells. It takes in a spell name and gives me the rest of the spell. It comes back to me in the format I fine-tuned it with. (More on training https://beta.openai.com/docs/api-reference/fine-tunes)

Notebook setup -> I have a colab notebook (Get one here -> https://colab.research.google.com/) set up to use my fine-tuned gpt-3 model (Info on authentication and making requests https://beta.openai.com/docs/api-reference/authentication). It also uses a google sheets spreadsheet that has a list of spell names I generated using a gpt-2 model fine-tuned with spell names from various games.

Notebook use -> I have it set up so that I can

  • grab a random spell name or put one of my own in
  • tell it the number of spells or variations of the same spell I want to generate
  • save them to a different sheet in the same workbook that has the spell names formatted properly

I also want to eventually set it up to make like a spell card for me, but I'd have to find the time to do that.

[–]FREE-AOL-CDS 0 points1 point  (2 children)

How “creative” are the spells? Does it give you something basic like fireballs/frostbolts/poison? Or more of a “this spell does damage and puts a debuff on the target” Could we get an example?

[–]DMRuby 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I have examples of a gpt-2 model on Twitter: https://twitter.com/baddndai?lang=en. That one is definitely more creative/entertaining but it doesn't have the 'knowledge' (I hate using that word because it doesn't actually know anything but it's the best I have) that gpt-3 has about how things work, so a lot of those make no sense. gpt-3 tends to give more realistic ones as well as more of the spell information. Here is one I just did:

Shadow Haunt ->
school: Illusion
level: 5
casting_time: 1 action
duration: up to 1 minute
concentration: yes
range: 120 feet
components: V, S
materials: None
description: You reach into the Shadow Plane and pull a shadow-spring into the Material Plane adjacent to you. The shadow-spring summons a neutral evil incorporeal undead shadow. The shadow appears in an unoccupied space of your choice that you can see within range, and the shadow disappears when it drops to 0 hit points.

The shadow is controlled by you, and its Stats are identical to those of the base creature. The shadow uses the base creature's stats and abilities, but it doesn't gain the effects of Class Features, it is Chaotic Neutral , and it can't be charmed or frightened. Options for the base creature that don't appear in the statistics block are set by the spell, as given below.

Hover: The shadow floats an inch off the ground and follows you so closely that other creatures can pass through it without penalty.

Incorporeal Movement: While the shadow is Incorporeal, other creatures can move through it without penalty.

[–]FREE-AOL-CDS 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is so cool, thanks!

[–]Public-Ad483 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Is gpt-3 free?

[–]DMRuby 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It is not, but it's very cheap and they actually just reduced pricing earlier this month. See here for their pricing: https://openai.com/api/pricing/ It's based on the model and the number of tokens you use (they have examples at the link) and I'm not sure if it's still the case, but when I signed up you started with $18 in credit.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Exactly, its not like i just put in the prompt and boom straight A’s.

[–]DumbleDinosaur 25 points26 points  (6 children)

Make your money, don't look back. Automate as much as you can and find yourself a beach and a good looking partner.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (1 child)

Hell yeah, the tool is cheap as hell too, profiting is easy.

[–]Tonysoprano604 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey any chance you or someone else can help me obtaining something like this? So hard to make time working full time with kids and going to school.. Tia

[–]IwillwintheLotto 2 points3 points  (0 children)

*find yourself or make an AI that can build you a beach and an ideal partner

[–]Saluana -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

This

[–]ScaryMycologist8308 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If we rely on data bases filled with existing ideas to get us what we want, we end up promoting the same ideas and ideals we using the AI to “cheat”, you cannot get ahead by freeing yourself, you still have to live in the world that’s unideal, we rely on “the internet” but it’s not the internet it’s corporations filtering what revolutions are allow to happen. The Arab spring happened because the US wanted to destabilize the Middle East and allowed it to trend, essentially if we put to much power in automation we will live automated lives, like the sourced automated idea that a beach house and an attractive partner equals happiness, I have had both and was miserable… I’d suggest free will & someone who likes you for you.

[–]GoldenThunderGod 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Which version of gpt3, website?

[–]A_Random_Lantern 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sounds like next level paraphrasing lol

I do the same thing as you.

For my AP World History class, I use GPT3 to summarize paragraphs for note taking. And for assignments, I use GPT3 to write a rough draft that I can edit and fix.

[–]Drstrangelove2014 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I support you and if you were in my school, I'd be friends with you and start a cybernetics club

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hell yeah.

[–]makerjulian 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Sorry but gpt-3 tells me that you are wrong

[–]TheDividendReport 14 points15 points  (12 children)

The only thing important to becoming a citizen and living in the United States is the accumulation of wealth, unfortunately.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (11 children)

yesh, I live in Norway.

[–]supernormalnorm 4 points5 points  (2 children)

You sir, are Norwegian-American.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I am Norwegian-Russian

[–]supernormalnorm 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Russo-Norwegian-American

[–]TheDividendReport 10 points11 points  (7 children)

In the United States, the importance of getting a degree cannot be understated. You want a cushy 9-5 job in a ventilated office space so you can get paid well and retire early.

The cost of tuition makes the stakes high. Degrees are padded with non relevant courses to your desired job. And once you get into the workforce, you realize the skills you actually needed are learned in the first 6 months of work.

Because of these factors, I see no issue in utilizing AI to achieve these goals, especially considering a person who can interface with such technology (at this stage) is already proving their intellect and curiosity.

But in a different world, one not revolving around degree gamification, I would have a bigger problem. Academia should be about increasing one’s own intellect.

But even then, one could argue all AI is doing is augmenting one’s intellect. I think it depends

[–]NeilHanlon 3 points4 points  (4 children)

degrees are a waste of time .

[–]PurpleEuphrates 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Degrees are not a waste of time, if they were, college admission rates would be plummeting. Sure, they may have diminishing returns when compared to what they were worth decades ago, but they do open up opportunities and generally improve the quality of life for those who obtain them.

What's better a job at Walmart where one might earn 30-50k a year, or an office job where one may earn 40-100k a year?

Not only does the degree open up doors, but the time at college allows on to network with their peers, building friendships/relationships that could prove useful later in life. When you've got a college buddy that can get you a job at their employer for a 10k pay bump, it's worth it.

Are there more self-sufficient ways to earn an income, or propel one's self? Sure. Are there degrees that have a low cost/earnings benefit? Yeah. Do people get buried in student loan debt? Absoulty.

Does this mean a college degree is a waste of time for the vast majority of those who can obtain them? No.

[–]NeilHanlon 0 points1 point  (1 child)

great points. unfortunately they're still a waste of time that you're scammed into believing isn't.

your argument that rates would be plummeting if they were a waste is ignorant at best.

[–]PurpleEuphrates 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm going to need some counter points my dude.

[–]osmarks 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They aren't great at teaching for most subjects but that doesn't imply they're a waste of time. Their real value is in signalling that you have some basic level of intelligence, conscientiousness, etc. Read Bryan Caplan's The Case Against Education (or the Wikipedia page I guess).

[–]ScaryMycologist8308 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Great, you spend 40+ hours a weak in a box, staring at a screen and talking about shows around the the water cooler for the part of your life, to pay rent to return to box. Good news you get 2 days off to deal with taxes, god, and watching other peoples lives on your phone, the when you are bitter and broken from this endless cycle and your productivity dips, you retire to sit and reflect on how you wasted your life.

I feel like theirs an air of optimism that AI is going free people as if massive corporations are going to monopolize it like every other “freeing technology” the internet was supposed the level the playing feild so everyone could publish, music, art, film just like the big corporations, now we all work for free for these companies producing data, instagram is a second job and streaming platforms decide what music you have access to… I think we can’t so naïve to think they won’t do the same, and yea they’re will promoted success stories to make you think the odds are not that of the lottery of escaping our current realities, but if your going to use data look at it first. On average 4% of Americans achieve upward mobility, that is escape the class they where born in. That statistic is even misleading as it factors in marrying someone who has money. The real statistics are as low as .4 percent, that’s close to winning the lottery. This concept that “if it was them, it could be you” is a moral motivator for you to participate in a game that no one wins, and makes the establishment trillions… and as long as your uneducated and robots do your homework that suits them, there’s always Amazon fulfillment factories that need to bright young minds. You don’t beat the system by joining it you beat it by changing it. You can’t beat the statistics they’re a wall.

I agree with the idea that if your innovating with new technology, you’re already proving your intellect, however far that gets you is a big question mark.

I do believe old people will pay well for early adopters of AI, but they will pay you to build walls so that others can’t achieve what you did, or that they get a portion or gate keep, I mean seriously how long before institutions catch on or require meta data time stamps on essays? Who’s going to build that software and standards for them - early adopters.

Large Technological breakthroughs like this only come up once of twice a century, and I hope we can not squander it like the boomers did with the internet and turn it into just another way to perpetuate an deeply flawed and world that’s more dystopian by the day, this is power, probably the most power we’ll have in our lifetime, we’re looking at eradicating most of the workforce beyond niche specific, manual labor will go to task specific robots with custom Algorithms… so if you have the robot do the homework, why wouldn’t do your job? Logic.

However what we will be in short of is people that can actually think, write, innovate. I don’t have an answer - but I know this, if we look at AI as a way for us to get our money and leave everyone behind, that’s a big step toward Cinematic dystopia, but if we use Refuse that temptation, and realize that we can use it to dismantle the systems we’re all on here talking about how to cheat, and think of the system as a whole and not the individual, as the system is comprised of individuals. You can’t be rich and happy in a dystopia, at a certain point money will loose efficacy on comforts, sort of like having a really nice car in hell…

I think the right move is write your homework and sell the AI essay’s at present.

[–]wolfbetter 5 points6 points  (0 children)

And don't date it. Remember: don't date robots.

[–]IwillwintheLotto 1 point2 points  (0 children)

She’s already thinking for herself by doing this. QED.

[–]kparagraphic 1 point2 points  (0 children)

extremely idealistic but not practical. school work is generally boring and irrelevant for the most part. OP is clever IMO

[–]79cent 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So about that...

[–]LiveEntertainment567 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This guy uses gtp-3

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Being able to analysis old fiction books isn't particularly useful though, and that's a large chunk of school essays.

[–]osmarks 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If GPT-3 can do an essay without much human intervention then the requirements for it are probably not good enough to be interesting or useful in the first place.

[–]ahumanlikeyou 100 points101 points  (130 children)

As someone who teaches, I can say that this is something I dread. If I learned that my students were submitting AI-written papers, I'd quit. Grading something an AI wrote is an incredibly depressing waste of my life. I have a child who would benefit from my attention while I'm grading papers over the weekend. Think about what you are doing. (And don't say it doesn't hurt them because they don't know. That's not how the value of life works. You value being in a trustworthy marriage, not just being in an apparently trustworthy marriage.)

It seems like in some cases, you are using it only to help you and you are verifying all of the information. So you are still learning and applying your knowledge. I guess that's not horrible, especially for assignments where the writing isn't the point. (But your peers... are they learning?)

But for essays, the activity of writing and formulating ideas is a huge part of how you are supposed to learn. It's good for you to do that, and so offloading all of that onto the AI is bad -- for you, not just the instructor.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (7 children)

I want to comment as someone who's pretty deep in the NLP game that what you describe is an inevitability. As in, I know multiple teams working on what you're describing and I've seen their results.

The good news? This will significantly enhance the important of in-class work, discussions, etc. I believe this will force curriculums to become more critical thinking in nature, and rely less on homework.

[–]ahumanlikeyou 7 points8 points  (6 children)

Oh yeah, I believe you that it's inevitable. Soon, too.

But the problem is that moving work to in-class is not costless. It's less accessible to many students (because of adhd, or anxiety, or whatever). And in college, you get ~3 hours/week in class. You can't make up the difference in that timeframe.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (5 children)

There's no choice here except to adapt. You KNOW this is coming, so the question is how to best prepare for it.

[–]ahumanlikeyou 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Well, I could try to raise awareness about the fact that this is going to be a big problem for the education of future people

[–]impermissibility 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, but where would you even start to find an audience for THAT?! /s

[–]pnw-techie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sounds boring. I'd have an AI write the AI warning essays. Train it up into a proper Luddite AI and set it loose on social media. Maybe give it an ironic name like @ahumanlikeyou.

..hey...

[–]pnw-techie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

DARE to keep kids off of AI. This is your brain on AI.

Trust me... America can fight the inevitable for ridiculous amounts of time at a ridiculous cost.

[–]esperandus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Listening. So, any suggestions ?

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    [–]ahumanlikeyou 18 points19 points  (21 children)

    Got any ideas that won't be obsolete by next spring?

    Are teachers making 50-100k a year supposed to be able to keep up with SOTA AI?

    [–][deleted]  (2 children)

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      [–]ahumanlikeyou 4 points5 points  (1 child)

      At the expense of our democracy. (A few English teachers being lost isn't the end of the world, but eventually it will be.)

      [–]EarlHot -1 points0 points  (0 children)

      Says the teacher

      [–][deleted]  (6 children)

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        [–]juangomez69 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        In university, we had some software that would check against plagiarism. If an instructor has every right to use AI to grade, students have every right to use AI on assignments.

        Now for this students learning capabilities is another topic. I hated English classes all my life, graders were too opinionated. An essay assignment could ask what’s the best color. If I choose a color my instructor hated, it would impact my grade. English is an important subject for everyday life. I attribute most of my work communication professionalism to my English professors in uni. Most classes will not attribute to a students success outside of high school. Just because you know how to dissect a frog, doesn’t mean it translates well to being an accountant for a mid-size business. In reality i think there are three subjects that are important to learning for adulthood, math, English, and government. Math and English skills, even with calculators and spell checkers installed into a device you are using on the toilet, are important to know. Government, as probably a fellow yankee you are, is important to know the rights you have as a citizen.

        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        Yeah, but then you can't load the students down with homework.

        [–]Emma_B1994 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        Language, reading and writing skills are very different. Plus, how much time do you think is leftover for supervised essay-writing?

        [–]jstohler 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Instead of written reports, ask students to do a 10-minute extemporaneous talk on the subject with a Q&A.

        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        In class writing assignments. You could even use AI to grade for you.

        [–]padawanabit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Really? How? Is there a name for this AI?

        [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        On demand essays tests.

        [–]averageduder 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Got any ideas that won't be obsolete by next spring?

        You can see how they typed it in google docs. If they're just cutting and pasting from another page, that's pretty easy to see.

        [–]dorasucks 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        High school English teacher here. I don't over complicate it. We go old school: 90 minute hand written essay in class, no technology allowed. If it's research based, I'll have them look it up ahead of time and they have to submit it with the essay..

        [–]Nms123 0 points1 point  (3 children)

        Try generating texts with an AI that are wrong or inhuman and have students edit/correct it. Presumably as long as you're using the state of the art to generate the text the errors can't be identified/corrected by the AI.

        [–]ahumanlikeyou 0 points1 point  (2 children)

        If I taught a copyediting class, that would be a great idea

        [–]Nms123 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        Hmm weird distinction, when I was in grade school, the subjects were just like “English”, or “Math”, and editing was certainly a skill that fell under English.

        [–]ahumanlikeyou 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Sure, but that exercise couldn't replace writing papers in an English class. Anyway, I teach at a college and I don't teach English or copyediting

        [–]angrymonkey 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        "Oops, I just sawed off the branch that I'm sitting on. [while plummeting] Maybe I can invent some kind of branch that will hold me without support."

        [–]hehethattickles 0 points1 point  (7 children)

        So reimagine exercises and lessons and subjects every single quarter? This doesn’t even necessarily provide value to the student, as there is something to be said for leveraging what has been honed and perfected over years to help students build a foundation.

        [–]pnw-techie 0 points1 point  (5 children)

        Just because it's happened for many years doesn't mean it was getting better during those years.

        [–]hehethattickles 0 points1 point  (4 children)

        So we should probably stop teaching the literature classics in school for example, it’s all so played out and ripe for AI to generate book reports. We should only teach books that have come out in the last 2 years.

        [–]pnw-techie 0 points1 point  (3 children)

        I don't think you get how this works.

        But yes, most of the classics are terrible, so stop teaching them. I swear I have PTSD from the entire quarter we spent on the fucking Scarlet Letter. Ugh.

        [–]hehethattickles 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        Completely inefficient to ask the education system to have to reinvent the wheel every single year. And a really disheartening opinion to want to throw out all the classics.

        [–]pnw-techie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        I read about 4-5 books a week, and have for at least the past 35 years.

        Not one of them was a "classic" according to literature, even if some of them were wildly popular worldwide sensations.

        I have never needed to analyze a work of literature in life. It's even more useless than advanced math.

        [–]_Schadenfreudian 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Classics aren’t always terrible. I feel it also depends on the teacher and how they teach it. I hated The Great Gatsby in high school because my teacher assigned readings at home and expected us to “get” it since it’s only 10 chapters. Que me in college reading it for a modernism literature course and…holy fuck I was engaged.

        [–]PerryDahlia 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        I think that having students speak to the ideas in their paper in front of the class would solve 90% of this. Half of the grade for the paper, the other half of for expounding and arguing for the ideas within.

        [–]madddskillz 0 points1 point  (3 children)

        No homework and only tests on controlled systems could solve it.

        [–]ahumanlikeyou 4 points5 points  (2 children)

        I teach university philosophy. Essays are the best way to practice philosophy

        [–]Nowordsofitsown 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        How about they write their essays at school/university then? They can research beforehand, they can take books, but they write under observation, without wifi and on machines that do not allow use if anything else than a simple office software.

        [–]RespectableBloke69 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        I wish my philosophy 101 teacher agreed with you! I have always been good at writing essays but he insisted on pop quizzes where you had to perfectly recite e.g. Kant's categorical imperative (which was crazy because he wanted a specific translation of it).

        [–]Locadoes 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        You can do what my APUSH teacher did and make students write the essay during class but I find doing that kind of stressful.

        [–]phao 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        One problem I have with this is how much of basis technique we seem to need to get to the level of "thinking overall ideas" unreachable (for now) to a computer AI.

        For example, in mathematics, to get to the level you can do higher level advanced calculus, geometry, algebra, differential equations, etc, you often need to internalize various (not all, but it changes from person to person) of the early "automatable" boring stuff.

        If you just (for what I believe is short-sightness) don't master those because an AI could do them, you can even try to go for the higher level stuff directly, but you'll mostly fail.

        The school system already doesn't force you to keep doing the automated stuff. Think the courses above again (calc 1, calc 2, linear algebra, diff eqs, etc). You'll go through the basic training during that single course. After that, you'll just use the results. You won't have to re-derive them or anything (usually). In projects (from other courses), you'll just use the results from calculus and linear algebra, stats, etc.

        Similar things happen in other fields as well. Certainly chemistry, physics, statistics, and computer science.

        Plenty of teaching that must happen will be about teaching what an AI (or even a non-AI machine) can already do. The idea that you'll only do things a computer can't seems fictional. The idea that there will be only a very tiny small intersection, IMO, seems unlikely. I believe plenty of it will still be needed to be learned by humans.

        [–]notafuckingcakewalk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        When you're in advanced mathematics, using a calculator to do standard addition is essential and makes sense. When you are learning arithmetic, using a calculator all the time hurts your ability to learn how to do arithmetic.

        Just because an AI can do a particular task does not mean that people still don't also need to learn how to do that task also.

        [–]pnw-techie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        The point is to hack the current system before that happens

        [–]sonthonaxrk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        That’s ridiculous, that’s like asking why run 10k in 45 minutes when technology allows you to drive in that distance in 10minutes.

        [–]JumpOutWithMe 15 points16 points  (3 children)

        Solution: have AI read and grade the papers. Fight fire with fire.

        [–]V3Qn117x0UFQ 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        At this point the only way to learn is through actual presence and smaller class sizes. Which can be good because some parts of our education system really needs to be re-assessed

        [–]ahumanlikeyou 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        And watch the world burn

        [–]MarkOnFire 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Do you want a Skynet because that’s how you get a Skynet

        [–]V3Qn117x0UFQ 5 points6 points  (0 children)

        Absolutely agree. Even today as an AI scientist, I look back at my courses I’ve done in high school (which at the time, felt useless) and think about how it has impacted me today in my life trajectory to my thinking process.

        Experience is so important and I feel as AI becomes more accessible, unless our education system improves fast to keep up, hearing about how OP is doing this means the art of process will be lost.

        [–]ThisSentenceIsFaIse 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        That’s a beautiful perspective 😭

        [–]PerryDahlia 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        The skills that are important today will become different in a world where AI is used for some of these tasks. Almost all students can do addition or multiple with a calculator, but not all students can recognize how those concepts map into real world situations or the relationships between those numbers. Any student may be able to ask an ai to spit out some paragraphs, but the challenge would be to make students understand the ideas in the paragraphs and how they connect, recognize and repair them if they don’t, and speak to them extemporaneously.

        Of course, I don’t necessarily expect teachers or our educational institutions to “get” this. They’re made of rather different stuff.

        [–]EarlHot 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        This comment won't age well. Shitty teachers, teaching in shitty rigid schools, giving shit advice 5 days a week. Work smarter, not harder. Don't listen to the teachers who gave up on life to box kids in a day care masquerading as a school.

        [–]uhhhh_no 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Sorry you're getting downvoted. You're completely correct.

        [–]Frandom314 0 points1 point  (4 children)

        Maybe the educational system should change to reduce homework and work mainly during the classes. I am very slow handwriting and I lost half of my childhood doing homework, and I'm very resented for it. Looking back I feel like that time could have been used in a million better ways.

        [–]ahumanlikeyou 1 point2 points  (3 children)

        I teach at a college. I get 2 hours and 50 minutes with my students each week.

        [–]pnw-techie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        That would be plenty of time for an AI to instruct them. Step up your game fellow human

        [–]PerryDahlia 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        I think being at a college gives you an advantage in requiring arguments that use ideas from citations. I haven’t seen AIs draw inferences from two different ideas giving citations for them both, yet.

        [–]esperandus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        That might have to change if we are going to preserve education. 24/7 live-in teachers in dorms, coming right up ;)

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          [–]uhhhh_no 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Sorry you're getting downvoted. You're completely correct.

          [–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (32 children)

          yeah i understand, how did you figure out that your students used AI?

          Artificial intelligence is the future, imagine not needing to learn because you have a chip in your brain feeding you all the information you need.

          [–]ahumanlikeyou 10 points11 points  (31 children)

          I haven't found any students using it yet, but I worry about it. I know it will happen soon because this is going to spread like wildfire. I am seriously considering finding an alternative career because the thought that I might spend a decade grading literally thousands of papers written by machines is just... beyond depressing.

          Honestly, I get it. School can be hard and/or time-consuming. Some of it seems pointless. I get that. But some of it definitely is worth the effort, and your struggles will sometimes pay great dividends.

          I do agree that AI is the future, but that means that critical thinking is that much more important. I'd rather not be an NPC, so to speak, just accepting incoming information without any critical examination. I don't want AI to guide my life because, frankly, I wouldn't trust that it would have my interests at heart. But the only way to learn critical thinking is to practice, and doing assignments yourself will often (maybe not always) help with that.

          [–]Tight-Expert1944 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          Yeah as someone who’s parent was an English teacher, this would be pretty depressing for sure. They spend all this time outside of work, not with their kids, grading papers. Would be tragic getting underpaid because you love to teach only to find out you’re wasting your own time getting played by some school kids. You would find out anyway probably, if you did different evaluations like a live test, so maybe the trick is to test unexpectedly in the classroom and then bust kids who are cheating… there’s always been cheats in school now it will be harder, if the kids are smart enough to pass your tests.

          [–]Buck-Nasty 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          We're living through an AI revolution like no other with every morning almost an AI Christmas of groundbreaking papers and models and astronomical sums of money being thrown at the field. Whisper was released a few days ago that is essentially capable of human level transcription and transcribers are already talking about leaving the field because of it. The Stable Diffusion guys just got themselves valued at a $1 billion+ with a few months work.

          I think it's extremely likely that around 2030 we will have massive generalist multi-modal deep neural networks that will achieve AGI far beyond human performance that will make most intellectual careers not long for this world.

          The price of equivalent human intellectual labour could be fractions of a penny on the dollar. I'm a programmer and I'm convinced these models will eat my job over the next decade or so.

          I don't think there is much of a safe haven from automation. However, I suspect the last careers to be automated will be those mostly blue collar jobs requiring complex physical dexterity and touch.

          [–]machinegunkisses 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I agree. A small handful of companies and people will make huge amounts of money along the way, but most people will just be made redundant.

          Overall, it will cause a large slowdown in the economy because fewer and fewer people will have extra money to spend on things. Eventually, people will stop having kids because there'll be no future prospects for them. Without even remotely meaningful work to do, the potential for civil chaos is very real. The only jobs left for humans to do will be those that they can do more cheaply than a machine.

          Some future we've invented for ourselves.

          [–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (27 children)

          Why not use AI to grade the papers?

          [–]ahumanlikeyou 1 point2 points  (25 children)

          That won't work. Not yet. I teach philosophy, and AI is a ways off from being able to grade that well.

          But anyway, what would be the point? Are we trying to have a bunch of servers running useless programs so that we can accelerate climate change?

          [–]neilk 4 points5 points  (2 children)

          I just tried getting GPT-3 to evaluate a 4th grade book report on Call of the Wild by Jack London, with grammatical and spelling mistakes included.

          It gave the book report high marks, with some helpful suggestions.

          Then I told GPT-3 the book report was supposed to be about The Hobbit, and it still gave the writing high marks.

          Then I told GPT-3 that this was someone's thesis defense for a Master's degree, and it also gave it high marks.

          [–]ahumanlikeyou 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Lol. Good to know. We can circle back next year to see how things are going

          [–]pnw-techie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          You get an A, you get an A, everyone gets an A!

          Yeah that would be terrible

          [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (21 children)

          useless programs? the point is to have a bunch of servers running programs that can help us solve problems.

          it has already shown great promise with stuff like medicine and finance. In the future, AI will only become more sophisticated and will be able to tackle more complex problems.

          [–]ahumanlikeyou 3 points4 points  (20 children)

          Of course. But I'm talking about the specific instance you mentioned: using AI to grade papers written by AI. What's the point? Let's just.. not do that, and then we can use those resources to solve real problems.

          [–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (18 children)

          My problems are real to me, the point is to give me good grades.

          [–]impermissibility 5 points6 points  (4 children)

          Your inability to immediately understand the thing the person you're talking to is saying, which is not a complicated thing at all and which they've articulated quite clearly, suggests that your use of AI thus far may already have impeded your own development of basic literacy skills.

          In a future where most written text is machine-produced, and where the human role is more one of textual reception and interpretation, someone in your position will be poorly prepared for success.

          [–]pnw-techie -1 points0 points  (0 children)

          This is gaslighting.

          You never agreed upon "the problem".

          OP defines his problem clearly - getting good grades.

          The counter argument asserts, incorrectly, that having ai grade papers is more resource intensive than having a human grade papers and asserts, with no supporting evidence, that this is a waste. This is garbage. Humans use more energy to grade a paper than a program. And importantly, humans take thousands of times longer to do the task, making the disparity greater.

          You keep insisting OP care about your nonsense argument and that since OP doesn't, OP has brain damage from AI use. AI use doesn't cause brain damage.

          Garbage, piled on more garbage, all the way down.

          [–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (2 children)

          That has nothing to do with my literacy skills, english is my third language and i find it hard to process thoughts, i don’t know if it’s adhd or psychosis

          [–]ahumanlikeyou 2 points3 points  (10 children)

          You suggested that I use AI to grade papers, and I'm responding to that. I'm not talking about your goals for getting grades. I'm talking about whether it would be worth anything to me to have a life where I'm in charge of an AI that grades papers for students that use AI to write papers. That seems pointless to me. I care about doing meaningful things in the world, like teaching students, so having that job seems entirely pointless.

          [–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (8 children)

          My teachers dont know im using an AI, as long as they dont know they’ll love/hate their job just as much.

          [–]pnw-techie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          And yet it would save a lot of time, freeing you up to spend more time with your child

          [–]Chroko 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          Good grades aren’t the point of school, the point is to learn how to do this shit yourself. Employers don’t care about grades, they care about ability - and by cheating through school now, you’re basically making yourself unemployable in the future.

          I would never hire someone who can’t think or do their job without AI assistance. If that was all the job required it would be cheaper to just use the AI myself and let you go homeless.

          [–]pnw-techie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Fucking fuck.

          The point of self education is learning. It's very important in life. You can't use an AI for that. And OP is learning here. Learning how to use AI tools.

          The point of school is grades. Period. It's not about learning. School does a terrible job at teaching kids to learn on their own. School does a terrible job at teaching critical thinking skills. It's a prison of absolute conformity.

          [–]pnw-techie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          The cost of fueling a human body for a couple hours is much higher than the cost of fueling a server for a few seconds. It would save resources, not cost extra

          [–]Emma_B1994 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Then what would be the point in writing the paper in the first place?

          [–]brokenfl -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

          thx Teach

          [–]choccysmeg 0 points1 point  (11 children)

          It’s only a matter of time before AI generated essays become the norm. The only way to circumvent this is to have students write essays by hand in exams

          [–]ahumanlikeyou 2 points3 points  (10 children)

          You can't do this in college

          [–]pnw-techie 0 points1 point  (9 children)

          Why?

          [–]ahumanlikeyou 0 points1 point  (8 children)

          Time. I get 2 hrs 50 minutes a week with them. It would waste their precious, expensive time to have them write during class

          [–]pnw-techie 1 point2 points  (7 children)

          The proposal was to hand write essays during exams

          [–]ahumanlikeyou 0 points1 point  (6 children)

          I understand the proposal, and the reason is the same. Exams are a waste of time, they test irrelevant skills, they impose serious costs on some students, etc. I also give writing assignments more frequently than one could have exams.

          [–]pnw-techie 0 points1 point  (5 children)

          I had exams in every college class. You have none? This is literally unbelievable to me.

          Also.... In what way is a take home writing assignment not a waste of time, not an irrelevant skill, but an in class writing assignment is? It's literally the same assignment except you see them do the work.

          It remains the only way you could be sure ai isn't writing it

          [–]pnw-techie 0 points1 point  (2 children)

          So give out many take homes... But do one in class. Anyone who did well on take home but not in class would have their take homes given extra scrutiny

          [–]ahumanlikeyou 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          Except lots of students don't perform well under time pressure

          [–]ahumanlikeyou 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          "paper exams" are normal in the sort of class I teach. It's 100x better for everyone (in this sort of class anyway)

          It's a waste of class time. Writing a good paper takes a lot more time than even 3 weeks worth of in-class time. What my students write in a semester would take the entire semester's worth of class time.

          A few offenders aren't worth ruining it for students that care. Better to let them go.

          Why do you think you know my job better than me?

          [–]pnw-techie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I think I know how to somewhat detect openai users/scammers. That's all. Interviews in my field involve doing some hands on work with the interviewer. The reason is to see if you actually know how to do it.

          Exams are not impossible. You are choosing not to use them. I don't give a shit if you let everyone use AI to write their papers, since I'm not a teacher. This was the only thing I was fighting you on. "You can't do that in college" just isn't the case. You personally choose not to do that in college.

          [–]213737isPrime 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          you need to use AI to grade their papers so you can spend time with your kid

          [–]biogoly 0 points1 point  (2 children)

          Have you considered having an AI grade your papers?

          [–]ahumanlikeyou 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          Maybe if 17 other people mention it, it'll occur to me

          [–]pnw-techie 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Have you considered using an AI to grade your papers? (1)

          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          have a child who would benefit from my attention while I'm grading papers over the weekend.

          Ah, but you could use AI to grade the papers for you.

          Then you can spend more time with your child and OP gets more free time too. Its a win/win.

          [–]esperandus 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          This begs questions like: is it really good for you to learn, per se? Is an education something that actually makes someones life better , when compared to the alternative of simply accumulating accreditation and wealth?
          I went the other way, and ended up with 4k books under my belt, having consumed much of the anglo-saxon canon before hitting my teen years; ended sans degree, having spent enormous amounts of time learning and not having fun. I don't think it made my life better, or that it made me happier.

          [–]IwillwintheLotto 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          Use AI to grade it, duh. And reward this student’s ability to think for herself by using newly available tools, instead of forcing on her some pretend morals of “do it the same way I do it”. There’s no virtue in stagnation, you are not the ultimate model of humanity and most humans are robots anyway.

          [–]ahumanlikeyou 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Hey! Great idea. Get in the back of the giant line of people who said the same thing. I already explained why that doesn't work, and I'm not the stickler you're working so hard to imagine.

          [–]AureatePanda 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          it's the same argument as using calculators in math. the future is here, and there are simpler and quicker ways of doing things. it only proves that our education system is flawed and misdirected. what's the value in writing an essay, when i can use an ai to write a better essay in 10 seconds? do u still walk to work because cars are cheating? do u hunt for ur own food because it's cheating to buy it?

          [–]Adorable_Aerie_7844 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          It's the school system that's extremely lazy for coming up with menial tasks and trivia questions and not actually focused on teaching and helping students understand concepts.

          [–]ahumanlikeyou 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          The problem in my case is quite the opposite. If I were lazier, I could assign in-class multiple choice quizzes that couldn't be spoofed. That would avoid the problem, but it's a much worse learning experience.

          So one big worry here is that the AI revolution will incentivize exactly the kind of menial pedagogy you're complaining about.

          [–]Remzi1993 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I'm studying software engineering and need to do some research, write reports, and so on. Why do I need to do that? It doesn't make any sense. I understand that I get math, some programming languages, database concepts and whatnot. Still, I also get other nonsense subjects crammed into my throat that I consider a waste of time.

          Unfortunately or fortunately depending on your perspective I just finished English subject (doing a language test, essay, writing an email, letter and doing a list of vocabulary and so on). If I had known I could automate parts of it then I could have focused on my more important subjects. A lot of mandatory subjects are just a huge waste of time and energy. Fck the government for making them mandatory I guess.

          [–]scrabblebutwhy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓

          [–]Grandyogi 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I saw a comment elsewhere mentioning how teachers can use chatGPT and the like to grade papers at 10x speed. Fight fire with fire….

          [–]spamandmorespam 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          How you feeling now?

          [–]xylvnking 19 points20 points  (3 children)

          Not sure if this is true, but either way I'd be concerned that eventually the work could be parsed by a program which detects AI generated work, and that you and everybody you've done this for could be caught later on. I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility to have something like that created, especially as the need for it gets larger with stuff like this happening. Interesting topic.

          [–]pnw-techie 6 points7 points  (2 children)

          Any such program would just provide input to the text creating programs. Just run them next to each other with the "is it a bot" acting as a pass fail for the first bot, until the text creating bot passes the "is it a bot" bot test

          [–]PJamesM 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          But there's no reason you can't use the same method to train the "is it a bot" AI to recognise more advanced artificially-generated content.

          [–]commemorate_potato 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          this is just looking to become an ai verses ai arms race for homework

          [–]SNM_2_0 15 points16 points  (19 children)

          You will get caught, very soon there will be an adversarial model that catches essays written by the AI.

          [–]TheSeamau5 7 points8 points  (7 children)

          Or not. While you might be correct, I wouldn't bet on it. I think a better working assumption is that students will use GPT-3 (or equivalent) for homework and that teachers will have no way to tell.

          [–]SNM_2_0 5 points6 points  (6 children)

          There will be some easy modification /addition to Turnitin that will catch ai written text. Adversarial models are already being deployed and they show how easy it is to identify ai written text.

          [–]MinkyTuna 2 points3 points  (5 children)

          Source?

          [–]Puzzleheaded-Job4231 1 point2 points  (4 children)

          I could find sources for him but I don't agree with his statement. There are AI detection methods but it's cat and mouse. I think inevitable AI will be undetectable

          [–]SNM_2_0 0 points1 point  (3 children)

          AI written text is easily detectable, each model has a specific signature (and I will not go into the specifics about weights, etc.). There is a lot of work currently underway for AI written text detection, with Turnitin leading the way.

          [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (5 children)

          And how does that work, ai writes just like a human.

          [–]SNM_2_0 6 points7 points  (4 children)

          Actually, it is being done already, adversarial models are very good at identifying ai written text, in fact, it is quite easy to catch. Once the unis will realize that, there will be some simple addition to Turnitin.

          Also, the text you generated for your pals most likely will be checked retroactively once the uni deploys these tools. Yours and theirs degrees could be in danger, it is just not worth it.

          [–]TxNobody 12 points13 points  (0 children)

          youre assuming unis want to catch them. unis care more about retention rates. Thats why a 60% curve is basically the standard (like a decade ago probably 80% by now)

          [–]kemar7856 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          It will take the universities a long time to catch up

          [–]SNM_2_0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          It will not be universities, it will be a simple addition to already existing Turnitin algo. Universities will not have to do anything. Turnitin is already working on it, matter of months really, not years.

          [–]MrAmos123 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Good that there's an open window now to abuse it. I'd do it. Once I have the certificate, no job is validating it, and I recall at no point anyone's grade being revoked after it was given out.

          [–]HorstKugel 0 points1 point  (3 children)

          an AI could flag a text as "likely written by an AI", but it can't prove that a text is AI written. So what you gonna do then? Punish someone with a perfectly reasonable text, because the AI says so? Take the chance that they are a false positive?

          [–]SNM_2_0 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          You just do not understand. Each model, especially GPT-3, has its own very specific signature that is easily identifiable (no human written text ever has such signatures) and just like current Turnitin can prove plagiarism, AI text detectors can prove GPT-3 (or other model) written text. AI written essays are still somewhat rare, but if they will catch up, there will be immediate addition to Turnitin (in fact, Turnitin is already working on one). OP and his frens risk a lot, their submitted essays will be checked retroactively.

          [–]PJamesM 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Years ago an essay I wrote got flagged as potential fraud. I'm not sure why; I genuinely wrote it myself. I guess I was a bit lax with citing my sources (tbh I wasn't really referring to enough source material - I just wrote my thoughts on the topic). Anyway, what happened was the tutor for that module called me in to his office and quizzed me a bit on the topic to demonstrate to his satisfaction that I actually understood what I'd written about, which I did because I did really write it. There's no real reason that the same couldn't be done for AI-generated content, unless it became so endemic that it became impractical, at which point I guess they'd just shut the universities down and let the AIs do the jobs rather than the people trying to cheat their way through a degree.

          [–]mystoryismine 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I would use Chatgpt to generate ideas and points, and write it my own way.

          [–]frivascl 8 points9 points  (3 children)

          Great idea. In 10 years, the AI will be doing the work that you should do for living, so you can have a LOT of free time at home, with no money. Keep that playstation 5 in pristine condition, you'll need it then! (wtf are you guys thinking?? you need to LEARN to do different things, so you can find your way in life! If someone else is doing that - AI or anyone - the only loser WILL BE YOU!)

          [–]Kent955 0 points1 point  (2 children)

          This is a choice society will have to make, I only hope that Norway will make it så that we all work less

          [–]machinegunkisses 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          I can tell you how this will play out, at least in the United States. The companies that own the AIs will reap all the benefits and rewards from them because the US has a capitalist system.

          There will be no profit sharing, there will be no giving back. It will just be a ton more people unable to find something to do that another human would pay them for.

          [–]Kent955 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          Seems so, only way to stop it is.......what union's did in the early days.

          [–]RomoloKesher 14 points15 points  (7 children)

          Great that you use OpenAI. It’s a progressive way of thinking. AI has been trained, and it will train you in return. Textually it’s very smart.

          Less smart is that you charge your classmates for helping them with their homework. I understand that the tokens cost money, but it sounds like a demonic transaction that you will get back in your face at one point in the future.

          [–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (5 children)

          I completely agree with you, and if I ever get caught that's all on me.

          [–]ffredalot 6 points7 points  (1 child)

          You wrote this comment with AI too, didn't you?

          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

          No, that would take me 4 more seconds than it would to just write it.

          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          You WILL get caught. Not worth the risk for the amount you're charging. Kids these days can make like $20/hour with doordash, which is crazy.

          [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

          Show me your time machine.

          [–]RespectableBloke69 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          You might be able to charge your peers a higher fee to show them how to use GPT3 to write papers the way you do. Nothing wrong with some extracurricular tutoring right?

          [–]A_Random_Lantern 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I never had to pay to use the GPT3 playground, unless you're referring to using their API for other projects.

          [–]mattbarrie 5 points6 points  (1 child)

          What will be more depressing is when the teacher uses GPT-3 to write the curriculum.

          [–]Kent955 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Already on it

          [–]Tonysoprano604 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          Hey any chance you or someone else can help me obtaining something like this? So hard to make time working full time with kids and going to school.. Tia would be super thankful and so would my family ❤️

          [–]Psychological_Gas931 4 points5 points  (1 child)

          Where can i do this

          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          You cant.

          [–]ScarubPNW 11 points12 points  (33 children)

          I'm just going to say this will actually get you absolutely nowhere you're actually just making yourself less intelligent by having AI do your work for you but have fun bro I support you LOL

          [–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (30 children)

          Actually, i disagree. im not making myself less intelligent, the AI teaches me new ways of writing and use of words that i wouldn't think of using without the help of an AI.

          And yeah im having a lot of fun, and it pays off as well, graduating with straight A's will get me nowhere?? pfft, maybe not exactly where i want to be but it'll get me somewhere.

          I'm still in class too? not every drop of intelligence is gained from writing.

          [–]ScarubPNW 8 points9 points  (17 children)

          With all due respect if the intelligence isn't coming from your head then you did not achieve Straight A's you literally cheated. End of story

          [–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (13 children)

          There are a few things to unpack here. First, intelligence does not necessarily come from one's head. It is possible to be intelligent in different ways, and not all of them involve having a high IQ.

          Second, even if the intelligence is coming from outside of the person's head, that doesn't mean they didn't work hard to achieve their Straight A's. They may have used outside sources of information to supplement their own knowledge, but that doesn't mean they didn't put in the effort to get good grades.

          Finally, even if someone did cheat to get their Straight A's, that doesn't mean they are not intelligent. Cheating is a sign of smarts in its own way - it takes a certain amount of intelligence to be able to get away with it. So, in conclusion, there are many ways to be intelligent, and just because someone got their Straight A's by using outside sources of information does not mean they are not smart.

          End of story.

          [–]ghostfuckbuddy 21 points22 points  (8 children)

          You're writing this with the AI aren't you

          [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (6 children)

          hell yeah i am.

          the only thing i wrote was End of story lol

          [–]zaptrem 7 points8 points  (4 children)

          Unfortunately, the comment "you" wrote above is meaningless. Take a closer look, it uses lots of words correctly without actually making a point. That will be a problem for your writing classes in a year or two.

          [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

          it uses lots of words correctly without actually making a point.

          That was how I got As in college writing courses.

          [–]bud369 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          What do you mean? It makes perfect sense lol.

          • Intelligence isn’t just about IQ points
          • Even if they are getting help in this way, they have worked hard enough to put themselves in a position for AI to benefit them
          • It takes intelligence to cheat effectively

          Now do I agree with this person? I don’t know. But I don’t think it’s fair to say that this reply was meaningless.

          I can definitely see the potential issues here if used irresponsibly. On the other hand, this feels very similar to how I imagine educators felt when students started using calculators. Of course, far from a 1-1 comparison, but it feels like there are some similarities there.

          [–][deleted]  (1 child)

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            [–]zaptrem 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            To start, the “intelligence from head” quote completely misunderstood the point of the previous commenter:

            A: “if you don’t do the work by definition you cheated”

            B: “there’s more to intelligence than what’s in your head/IQ score”

            See the problem?

            [–]bigsnoopdogg123 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            The second you have to write big ass papers with cited sources, or poetry, or essays with any hint of style or flair, the AI isn’t gonna hold up

            [–]BurritoAburrido 4 points5 points  (0 children)

            Absolutely.

            [–]Benicefornoreasonn 3 points4 points  (1 child)

            Looks like your AI wrote this lol

            [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            indeed it did.

            [–]ScarubPNW 1 point2 points  (1 child)

            No I ended the story not you! How dare you LOL ...anywho aren't you worried about your exams what are you going to do when you have tests in a closed room and you can't use the AI to generate your Straight A's are you not even remotely concerned with this you don't think your teacher is going to realize the absolute difference in your turned in work and your work done in class? You can't use the AI on your tests don't you think there's going to be a drastic change in your grades everything you turn in as straight A's but all the stuff you do in class is straight Ds LOL..honest question

            [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

            No I'm not worried, if I have a math or chemistry test then I practice regularly. The thing is, there is a slight difference but not a big difference.

            I learn a lot by using the AI and if I prepare myself for a presentation (with the help of AI) I'll do just fine.

            I can always just practice for exams too, it's not a big deal it just saves me a lot of time.

            [–]PerryDahlia -1 points0 points  (0 children)

            He sounds more thoughtful and creative than you, honestly. Your thinking is simple and linear, whereas he’s quick and clever.

            [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

            Gah damn shut the fuck up

            [–]Tight-Expert1944 1 point2 points  (11 children)

            Yeah but what about the kids who are paying you… are they learning from the AI too?

            [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (10 children)

            No, probably not.

            And to be honest, their future doesn't matter to me. It's their decision to pay me for the work.

            [–]Tight-Expert1944 3 points4 points  (9 children)

            See how that pans out for you long term 👍🏼

            [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (8 children)

            That's the plan.

            [–]Tight-Expert1944 0 points1 point  (7 children)

            Afterthought: hopefully your customers are also your friends, because if teachers discover students with excellent essays but bad live testing, they could catch on. All it takes is one person squealing on you to get disciplinary action from the school. But if you don’t care about potential academic consequences (or the impact on your peers quality of education) I would think you’re probably fine

            [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (6 children)

            friends that i trust.

            [–]KavehP2 1 point2 points  (2 children)

            In that case i think you should teach them how to use the AI themselves. You'll lose a bit of money, but they'll get the same learning benefits you do. More importantly if you only value your own interest, surrounding yourself with smarter people using smarter tools, will probably trigger a chaos theory cascade of events that you'll end up benefitting from : their gratitude and improved skills will become quite valuable, especially if they're rich kids.

            [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            In my experience, people generally aren't interested in learning how to use computer tools and would rather just pay someone to do it for them.

            [–]bud369 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Imagine if you just went to a mechanic and they showed you how to fix shit on your own? You’d never need to go back! Awful nice of that mechanic though

            [–]gullerg 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            you must be a great mate then since (your words from above) “their futures don’t matter to you”

            [–]bowbeforethoraxis1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            You just said their futures don't matter to you. What an asshole

            [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

            I would argue OP is demonstrating skills and initiative that will be really useful for success in the career world.

            [–]Avalbane 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            yeah with their go getter attitude they could start the next theranos

            [–]innovate_rye 6 points7 points  (5 children)

            same lmao

            [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (4 children)

            lmao finally

            [–]innovate_rye 1 point2 points  (3 children)

            its fast, efficient and better than me. why would i not use it?

            [–][deleted]  (1 child)

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              [–]innovate_rye 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              thats why u learn and use it as an aid. ppl use dalle to make art or help them along their art process. it isnt cheating urself if u r understanding the material u r just moving the process along faster.

              [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Exactly.

              [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (3 children)

              I’m here to say, I’ve used it to get job promotions and gpt3 has helped me make a lot more money in life.

              I don’t see any downside to using it despite what people say above. Like any tool in human history if it is more efficient it will be increasingly used over time. Just look at the industrial revolution. People had a lot to say about that.

              [–]pillbinge 0 points1 point  (2 children)

              And they were right, for the most part.

              [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

              Can you explain

              [–]EarlHot 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              He wants us to live on farms in the country

              [–]AlphaDread007 2 points3 points  (1 child)

              Maybe a dumb question, how do you actually access gpt-3 ? I mean which link ?

              [–]aliporid 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Search openai playground

              [–]Logical_Remove7610 2 points3 points  (2 children)

              So, you're helping your peers become more stupid by the day. You can make way more money doing something else with your time, while simultaneously not being unethical about it. I'm so tired of students having other classmates complete their work for them. Do you ever think about how the average "you" will be smarter than 99% of the population if this continued at high production? I feel like that would be super boring for you and probably frustrating, too. You probably don't think it does any harm, but more students will do this, which means you are one of the enablers for your peers not doing any work or learning anything for themselves. You are denying them of an education...and you're wasting your teachers' time. Your respectable teachers spent 4+ years in college to be able to teach students like yourself. Are you really so ungrateful to the point where you want to waste their time? They have lives, and you're making them grade papers that were written by artificial intelligence. I hope you keep this in the back of your mind, because it is unfair and unethical.

              Oh, and this was not rephrased by AI.

              [–]FoundationDependent 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              You seem slightly angry…

              [–]Logical_Remove7610 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Just speaking the truth.

              [–]sixjasefive 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              I’m fearful that an ai dependent generation (versus an ai enhanced one) will only get worse at interpersonal relationships and communication.

              A quote from a friend and former classmate of mine who is an EVP in the HR world in Silicon Valley…”we can’t find people that can talk.”

              An assumption that getting straight A’s out of college gets you a great job doesn’t mean that you’re actually going to be able to keep that job. The working world isn’t just about what you know or supposedly know or who you know. It’s a strategic play of emotional relationships within each company.

              [–]KingZero010 3 points4 points  (6 children)

              Keep at it! Tools are meant to be used ;)

              [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (5 children)

              Agreed!

              [–]KingZero010 3 points4 points  (4 children)

              I use them too for email marketing, can also look I to more specific tools like copy.ai or jasper which are meant for copywriting. Those might yield even better results. If you are looking into writing fiction or stories there is also still NovelAi.

              [–]luizubi 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              This is what I've been waiting for... what GPT-3 tools do you recommend... are they all paid?

              [–]KingZero010 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Some are but most offer a free version :)

              [–]PJamesM 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              I mean that was already a bullshit job.

              [–]KingZero010 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              What do you mean?

              [–]Aevbobob 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              I’m all for the disruption of school. This seems like a first step

              [–]LDN12345678 1 point2 points  (1 child)

              I have never looked into AI before but read this post on social media, it got me wondering, I am about to send out a questionnaire as part of a dissertation, if I collated the responses into a clear data table, could Open AI carry out various statistical analysis like regression analysis, chi-squared test etc? I’m trying to understand the possibility rather than the morality of it. Dependant on the answer, that’s a question for another day.

              [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Yes it can. Personally I don't see any issue with this use case in particular, you're just harnessing a new tool available. Though I do feel there should be restrictions in other situations such as writing entire papers

              [–]jiurn2 1 point2 points  (1 child)

              What's the website?

              [–]s_ly1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Saving for later

              [–]icodethereforeilearn 1 point2 points  (1 child)

              hey! I know it has been a while... But could I please ask you u/Urdadgirl69 how you use GPT-3 to rephrase your text?

              ​

              Also, have you experimented with telling it what style to use, say "written in day to day language" a little bit like what people do with prompt engineering for image generation?

              ​

              Thank you for your help!

              [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Yes i have, just put in the prompt «rewrite this text into a very highly sophisticated academic use of words "whole text"»

              [–]Adorable_Aerie_7844 1 point2 points  (2 children)

              You are doing an awesome job, maybe now finally the schools will see how many stupid tasks they give to students rather than teaching concepts.

              [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              the school system is fucked, i hate it..

              [–]Adorable_Aerie_7844 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Absolutely agreed. They just give us generic no-brain tasks that don't help us at all in life, destroying all our creativity. I'm out of school now, but you guys are staying a new revolution with this AI, haha. I wish I had this tool when I was in school.

              The teachers never teach you to be a better writer, they just say "do this essay". Then they mark you based on biased and subjective criteria, based on their emotions.

              [–]sexyhamsterfood 1 point2 points  (1 child)

              what ai software/website?

              [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Darude - Sandstorm

              [–]Humanzee2 2 points3 points  (2 children)

              The problem with cheating is you are not learning anything by it. I wouldn't want to be treated by a doctor who cheated in medical school. In the other hand I love learning.

              [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              But i am learning.

              [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              He is learning how to use AI to solve his problems.

              That puts him above most of his peers.

              [–]Pan000 -1 points0 points  (21 children)

              Good for you. It's called resourcefulness. In the real world what matters is getting the results, not how you got there.

              [–]Routine_Owl811 3 points4 points  (4 children)

              You could say the same thing about attaining gym results with steroids. It's the easier path but all of those gains go away the moment the tool that got you there disappears

              [–]Pan000 1 point2 points  (2 children)

              You know you have to train really hard if you take steroids. And if you could get fit from an injection it wouldn't be wrong or unfair to take it. Because life is not a competition against other people.

              [–]Routine_Owl811 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              My point is that it is FAR easier to put on muscle with steroids which forms an interdependent relationship in order to maintain results. Whether you think that's good or bad is up to you, but my analogy stands.

              [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Oh yeah i love working out, but i don't do steroids anymore as it's literally killing me.

              maybe it isn't but it for sure feels like it at times.

              [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Thats why i always make sure to keep my steroid injection cycle on time.

              and always have my phone with me fully charged.

              The gains will stay.....

              No but actually, i learn a lot from just reading and editing the things that the AI write. it's not like i just put in a prompt and paste the results in a word document.

              [–]ripeblunts 5 points6 points  (13 children)

              This attitude is sort of bizarre to me. Was Lance Armstrong being "resourceful" when he doped himself to win? If you cheat during a pub quiz, are you being "resourceful"?

              Using GPT-3 to write essays in order to give yourself a competitive advantage is obviously cheating. Rebranding it as "resourcefulness" to get rid of the cognitive dissonance doesn't make you a good guy.

              There are people out there who won't cheat out of integrity and principle. Normalizing cheating just means you're making it harder for decent people to succeed.

              Is it okay for politicians to cheat and lie? Is it a demonstration of their "resourcefulness"?

              Is it okay for scientists to commit research fraud? Is that "resourcefulness"?

              In the real world what matters is getting the results, not how you got there.

              So fraud and corruption and theft and deception is all good, ethically speaking, because fuck you it's all about results? What a sad, pathetic attitude towards life.

              [–]Pan000 2 points3 points  (6 children)

              That is called straw man fallacy. We were not talking about any of those things you mentioned. It's very black and white of you to think that using technology to improve your ability to write, is the same thing as, one is your examples: commiting research fraud.

              As I said, real world = results matter. It isn't a competition. It's not a status game. There's no cheating because it's not a game. It's just people creating awesome stuff and exchanging that awesome stuff for money. That's the real world.

              [–]ripeblunts 2 points3 points  (4 children)

              That is called straw man fallacy.

              Nope. Using GPT-3 to write essays in any competitive field where the assumption is that the content is original: that's cheating.

              using technology to improve your ability to write

              There's a big scandal in chess at the moment. People have joked that a grandmaster might have cheated by using an anal vibrator with a bluetooth connection. If that were true, that's obviously cheating.

              Not to you, though. According to your logic, he was simply, "using technology to improve his ability to play chess."

              Ask your professor. "Hey, I used GPT-3, an AI language model, to write this essay. That's cool right?"

              What do you think his reply will be? "Oh wow, that's totally cool. Way to demonstrate resourcefulness!"

              You already know he's not going to say anything like that. Because you already know, in your heart, that it's cheating. And you would never admit to your professor that you've been using GPT-3 like this. Because, again, you don't want to admit that you've been cheating.

              As I said, real world = results matter. It isn't a competition. It's not a status game. There's no cheating because it's not a game. It's just people creating awesome stuff and exchanging that awesome stuff for money. That's the real world.

              The real world is a competition. We compete for resources. If people keep cheating, we end up with a situation like Russia where no one knows what's really going on. Even Putin didn't know the state of their military was so terrible. I'm sure you won't consider this to be a valid argument, because you can't see the big picture probably, but things tend to work out much better when there's an assumption that people are playing by the book.

              Students compete for grades. They compete for jobs, internships, etc.

              Cheating hurts honest people. I shouldn't have to say this. It's obvious.

              [–]impermissibility 4 points5 points  (0 children)

              The fact that these people can't grasp the pretty basic point that you're very lucidly making is its own depressing marker of how their approach to AI correlates with poor cognitive function.

              [–]KavehP2 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

              It depends on how it's used.

              Copy/Pasting/Rephrasing has been quite the standard workflow for a few years (below university level). It's not cheating if you're rephrasing it enough : making some random text "your own" forces you to understand what you have to write about, what are the expected answers and where to find them. It's definitely still learning. There was moral panic about Wikipedia back then, and some panicked teachers would tell us using it was cheating lmao... They were just plain wrong.

              I'd definitely tell some open-minded teachers about using GPT-3, showcasing it as both a brainstorming tool, a search engine, and an interactive way to explore a subject.

              [–]SirLancillotto 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Very well said

              [–]tobiasf22 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              I have to disagree. Not all of real world is competition. Just most of it. I guess that nobody would argue that family or friends are about competing against anyone. Just making an example.

              [–]impermissibility 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              You clearly have no idea whatsoever what a straw man fallacy is. Maybe you should spend more time reading and writing! You could start with the post you replied to here.

              [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (5 children)

              There are people who will not cheat out of integrity and principle, but those people are not the only people who can be successful. The act of cheating does not make it harder for decent people to succeed.

              It is not okay for politicians to cheat and lie, but it is a demonstration of their "resourcefulness."

              [–]ripeblunts 1 point2 points  (4 children)

              The act of cheating does not make it harder for decent people to succeed.

              That's a ridiculous claim. Of course cheating makes it harder for decent people to succeed.

              It is not okay for politicians to cheat and lie, but it is a demonstration of their "resourcefulness."

              No. You are just using the word "resourcefulness" as a euphemism for "willingness to cheat in order to get ahead."

              If I stab you and take your money, am I being "resourceful"? According to your logic (and I'm talking about your logic here), I am. It's wrong, sure, but it's indicative of my "resourcefulness". Again, according to your logic.

              [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

              No, I'm not just using the word "resourcefulness" as a euphemism for "willingness to cheat in order to get ahead." I'm using it to describe a quality that is useful in many different situations - not just cheating.

              For example, being resourceful could mean finding an innovative solution to a problem, or making the best use of limited resources. It's not always about cheating, and it's not always about getting ahead.

              [–]ripeblunts 1 point2 points  (2 children)

              You are using the word "resourcefulness" to make the willingness to cheat sound like a positive trait. Of course it's a euphemism. The reason why you use the word "resourcefulness" is because it has positive connotations. And you don't want to use the word "cheating" because it has negative connotations.

              It's very obvious and very pathetic and I'm not going to engage further.

              [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child)

              You are completely missing the point of what I said. I never said that cheating was a positive trait, I merely said that being resourceful enough to cheat is a positive trait. There is a big difference.

              [–]_TRN_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              I'm sorry but this makes zero sense. Maybe you shouldn't be relying on an AI to think and write for you.

              [–]OkComedian8613 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              With the difference being that in a homework essay the desired result is the education of the writer, not the essay itself. No one cares about the essay itself it's mean to practice you in writing essays, educate you.

              So no the result is not achieved with using gpt-3 to write it for you.

              [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

              True.

              [–]AHaskins 1 point2 points  (3 children)

              What tool, specifically, are you using? I've seen a few that work, to varying degrees of effectiveness, for what you're describing.

              [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (2 children)

              OpenAI’s Playground.

              [–]AHaskins 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              Should have checked the subreddit I was on first, I suppose. Thanks!

              [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              No problem👍

              [–]IHDN2012 0 points1 point  (7 children)

              I have a question for you: I know someone who is attempting to do this with school essays. How do you do it? I have an OpenAI account, but do you use DaVinci? What are your other settings? Any tips on making it write a good essay?

              My friend says the sentences GPT-3 writes are too simple.

              [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (6 children)

              I use DaVinchi and just up the maximum length

              like this:

              Write an essay about biological perspective in psychology

              The biological perspective in psychology is the study of the mind and behavior from a biological standpoint. This perspective emphasizes the role of the nervous system, genes, and hormones in behavior and mental processes. Researchers who take a biological perspective often study the structure and function of the brain, as well as the effects of drugs and other chemicals on the brain and behavior.

              The biological perspective has helped researchers to better understand mental disorders and to develop treatments for them. For example, the biological perspective has led to the development of medications that can help to regulate the brain chemistry of people with mental disorders. In addition, this perspective has contributed to our understanding of the role of genetics in mental disorders.

              Overall, the biological perspective has provided valuable insights into the mind and behavior. This perspective has helped us to better understand mental disorders and to develop treatments for them.

              [–]madddskillz 4 points5 points  (0 children)

              To add to this:

              You can put write an essay on topic X as a 4th year university student.

              If you have section headers you can get it to write to each.

              [–]IHDN2012 1 point2 points  (2 children)

              Which part of this is the prompt?

              [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              Write an essay- and so on.

              [–]hyperparasitism 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              The output is usually pretty short though, and not essay-level word count. How do you overcome this?

              [–]rustblooms 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              How do you include in-text citations?

              [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

              I have showed the tool to one friend, i'll just hope she doesn't spill the beans.

              im pretty sure everyone will try it out if they find out.

              [–]lepobz 5 points6 points  (1 child)

              So you’re artificially intelligent.

              [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              😏

              [–]wolfbetter 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              I wonder if it can write a SOP and a Graduate level entry essay on English Literature....

              [–]guster-von -1 points0 points  (0 children)

              Using this in an educational setting is one of the most forward thinking applications of Open AI IMO.

              What I feel we are witnessing is an evolution in learning and efficiency. Using AI in this fashion is nothing more than a tool such as the calculator.

              While knowing core language mechanics is important, it is far more important to understand your role as an operator and how to feed the AI correctly towards intended results. Business and marketing world are quickly integrating these tools and concepts to augment employee knowledge and skills.

              [–]GoldenSkywatcher -1 points0 points  (0 children)

              You’re good as long as you verify the accuracy of the information you’re getting from it. I have a hectic schedule most days; I use it as a study/note-taking tool. My little siblings use it as a homework assistant when I’m not around, and the little ones use it as a search tool/engine as I don’t want them to click links or unwanted images to pop up. Overall, a helpful tool.

              [–]Straight_Command_150 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

              At the University of British Columbia we're doing research on AI writing tools and we would love to hear what you think!

              We're using a platform called Polis where you can vote on individual statements, see a visualisation of where your position sits in relation to others who voted, and you can also add your own perspective for others to vote on.https://pol.is/7ncmuk4ume

              [–]TheSeamau5 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              Weirdly, will this force education towards a flipped classroom model? If homework becomes officially meaningless because anti-cheat is impossible, then work must be done in class, no?

              [–]pnw-techie 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              Homework has always been officially meaningless

              [–]DJ-K-Money 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              I commend you. You’re doing what you inherently been taught to do in an ultra capitalist society. Now I challenge you to use your dynamic thinking about how leverage AI/ML even further!

              [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              No society is ultra capitalist. Best we got is Sweden and Finland which subsidize entrepreneurship, have low barriers for market entry, and and have long paid parental leave.

              [–]jmeza10 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              You have a GitHub link 👀

              [–]MylesJackWasntDown 0 points1 point  (3 children)

              A bunch of students are using my tool GoMoonbeam.com for this. Not sure if it makes me sad or proud

              [–]SirLancillotto 2 points3 points  (2 children)

              Just created this with using your link:

              Is it possible to use AI to write university level essays?

              Introduce the topic of AI and essay writing, highlighting the potential for using AI to cheat in university level exams.

              AI has the potential to revolutionize essay writing, making it easier and faster for students to produce high-quality essays. However, this same technology also has the potential to be used for cheating in university exams, by providing students with pre-written essays or helping them to plagiarize. Cheating is a serious problem at universities, and if AI is used to help students cheat, it could have a negative impact on the quality of education.

              There are ways to prevent AI from being used for cheating, such as developing algorithms that can detect plagiarism or requiring students to submit their essays electronically so they can be checked for plagiarism before they are graded. Ultimately, whether or not AI will be used for cheating in university exams depends on how it is developed and regulated.

              Discuss the complex algorithms and moral issues involved in using AI to write essays.

              The algorithms used to generate essays using AI are incredibly complex and difficult to create by hand. This is because they must take into account a variety of different factors, including the style of writing required for a given essay, the grammar and spelling conventions that have been established within a particular field or discipline, as well as the specific requirements of the university or college where the essay will be submitted.

              Because AI-generated essays are based on an algorithm rather than being written by hand, there is some concern that they may be less accurate and full of errors than traditional essays. In addition, some people argue that AI-generated essays may not accurately reflect the views and opinions of their authors – something which could potentially lead to unfair judgments being made about students who use this technology.

              There are also potential benefits associated with using AI to write essays. For example, it could allow universities to save time and money by automating certain aspects of essay submission processes, or it could help students improve their writing skills more quickly and effectively than ever before.

              However, there are also risks associated with using AI in this way – especially if it falls into the wrong hands or is used inappropriately

              Consider the differences between human and machine intelligence, and whether AI can really replicate human creativity and understanding.

              While AI technology has come a long way in recent years, there are still some significant differences between human and machine intelligence when it comes to writing university-level essays. Machines lack creativity and understanding, which are essential for producing high-quality writing.

              One key difference between human and machine intelligence is that machines do not have the ability to generate new ideas on their own- this is something that only humans can do. Without creativity, an essay written by a machine will be limited in its appeal and potential audience.

              While AI can help with the research and organization of an essay, it is not yet able to replicate human thought processes completely. For example, computers may be able to write effectively about academic concepts but they will likely struggle when it comes to expressing their thoughts in a creative way or communicating with people who are not familiar with academic jargon.

              It is possible that AI may one day be able to write university level essays very effectively, but we are not there yet. In the meantime, humans still have an edge over machines when it comes to writing quality essays at this level

              Conclude by discussing the implications of using AI to write essays, and whether this could be a positive or negative development for education in the future.

              The potential benefits of using AI to write essays are both positive and negative. On the one hand, AI can help to improve the quality of essays by providing feedback and suggestions for improvement. This could lead to essays that are more accurate, reliable, and consistent in terms of style. Additionally, it could help students learn how to use writing tools effectively and improve their overall essay-writing skills. However, there is a risk that AI could be used to plagiarize essays or to create essays that are not truly original work. Therefore, careful consideration needs to be given before implementing such a technology into education systems.

              Although there are some risks associated with the use of AI in essay writing, the potential benefits justify its implementation into educational systems. In particular, AI can help students learn how to use writing tools effectively and improve their overall essay-writing skills. Additionally, it can help ensure that essays are more accurate, reliable, and consistent in terms of style. Thus while there are some concerns associated with this technology's use in education systems, they should be weighed against its benefits when making decisions about its future direction

              [–]Tidalpancake 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Jeez, I actually agree with some of these points. The biggest one for me is how much society will change if most articles / essays are written by AIs. They won’t reflect the opinions of the human “author” (the one who gave the prompt), which will be pretty bad for our democracies.

              [–]MylesJackWasntDown 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Holy crap lol

              [–]Le_Spoof 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              So how does one end up getting this AI installed? I’d love to use it as a guide in brainstorming (PhD student here)

              [–]BotGEE 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              Which ai tools are you using?

              [–]pnw-techie 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              The one the subreddit is named

              [–]desertpunk0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Can someone provide me some links to play with some ai

              [–]Dry_Simple_4954 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Can you write lyrics with any of these ai's?

              [–]Antique_Cucumber_546 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              What kind of AI did you use? I'm not an English mother tongue and that's could be super usefull ti write essay!

              [–]Dapper-Chest-6 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Dude you're fvkin lucky enjoy this tool

              [–]zanzenzon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Great job! You’re demonstrating to the humanists how to dismantle their constructs

              [–]mkarpushko 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Did you train your own solution for this or did you come across one online?

              [–]d_sat 0 points1 point  (2 children)

              10 month ago I also realized AI (GPT3) changed my life by helping me write my essays (and more), here are my thoughts:

              https://www.reddit.com/r/GPT3/comments/qs0of4/gpt3_as_a_turning_point_in_my_life/

              [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              Do you still use gpt3 like this? How have things changed since you posted that? Big inspiration

              [–]d_sat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Yes, I still use it almost every day. Both for mundane day-to-day tasks and for projects, essays, coding and even to search for several queries that I would originally googled.

              I really appreciate that my post has inspired you, thanks for reaching out. How has your experience with GPT3 been?

              [–]BombadAviator 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              First I think necessity is the mother of invention. I ponder if the education system is becoming more broken, and thus is seeing a revolution. One of the fascinating things about humans is the drive to keep inventing. We even invent ourselves out of jobs, but that in turn creates new ones.

              Secondly I have learned in life that the journey wasn’t always about the destination, in this case ending up with a school paper. Sometimes conquering something and figuring something out is the more useful part. However that frontier might be now changing as AI starts to take over more pieces of our lives.

              [–]mjrossman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Unpopular opinion, but this impasse manifests when we design our perception of uniqueness around a sentimentality. I absolutely agree with others that assert that this will end up becoming an AI war between over-encumbered instructors and opportunistic students, but people need to identify that this is a GAN, and is yet another driving function to AI efficacy for both sides. In evolutionary biology, there is something called the Red Queen hypothesis, which states that species must further diverge, adapt, and compete just for basic survival.

              AI alignment is somewhat futile in this respect. Ecology and economy both select for competitive edge, not for incumbency. As AI progresses, it will be increasingly more costly to keep a humanistic option in place for anything in the economy of bits, assuming that the economy of atoms is captured to produce unending growth for the former. If students use writing AI more often, the education system will further adopt algorithmic stylometric analysis. If researchers use AI protein modelling, for-profit pharmaceutical companies are less likely to spend money on manual R&D.

              Personally, I'm dismayed by the culture shock, because there's no bridge to younger generations that will have no upbringing or living memory where they weren't augmented by AI. Likewise, there are a lot of professionals that are lashing out, here and in visual art, because they haven't anticipated the disruptive forces of an economy of bits. Let's be clear though, humans have a massive edge on an individual basis. AI processing consumes a lot more resources than the equivalent output of humans alone. However, people should have an equation in their head of whether the growth rate of human intelligence (population growth rate x education coefficient) is being outpaced by artificial intelligence growth rate (chip production rate x model efficacy delta).

              It should be conceivable that the current education system is obsolete. we will need to go back to first principles and find a way to select self-motivated, curious students on an individual basis, instead of an age-separated general curriculum. This will likely mean that instruction and grading will not remain the responsibility by sole instructors forever. We will need to adapt.

              [–]ntotao 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Make sense, I think you are using this super power well. As you clearly have more free time, you can invest it in pushing forward skills that public school never helps with, such as knowledge management (use tools like Logseq or Obsidian, they have embedded openAI interaction through plugin, but they are opensource and self hosted). Managing how you learn things is the best gift you can give your future self! Keep on rocking!❤️

              [–]mate_h 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Tough (and a very good) question, the way I look at it, we already use calculators to do math in school. An AI or a calculator are not really a full replacement for thinking and learning. They are more like just tools in our educational toolbox. Both students and teachers should embrace these.
              Apply the same principles when using AI for writing essays. Be open about it, discuss new ideas on how to improve the learning experience for your classmates, how to improve the teaching experience for your teachers. Hiding the fact that you're doing this will make things easy in the short term, but very difficult in the longer term. It's very important to consider longer term goals over short term gains.

              [–]singleentry 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              I used the api playground with da Vinci 2. Bear in mind that I did not know there was book/film called this. I just wanted there to be one.

              Write an essay about "War Horse: The American Appaloosa".
              War Horse: The American Appaloosa is a documentary film directed by Simon Wincer. The film chronicles the history of the American Appaloosa horse breed, from its origins with the Nez Perce tribe in the Pacific Northwest to its present-day popularity.
              The film begins with a brief history of the Nez Perce tribe and their relationship with the Appaloosa horse. The tribe has a long history of horse breeding and horsemanship, and the Appaloosa is a direct descendant of the horses brought to the Americas by the Spanish conquistadors. The Nez Perce were renowned for their horsemanship and their ability to train their horses to perform complex tricks and maneuvers.
              The film then traces the history of the Appaloosa breed in the United States. The breed was developed in the early 19th century by settlers in the Pacific Northwest who crossbred Spanish mustangs with the local Indian ponies. The resulting horses were tough and hardy, and they quickly became popular with settlers and Native Americans alike.
              During the American Civil War, the Appaloosa was used by both Union and Confederate armies. After the war, the breed became increasingly popular with ranchers and cowboys in the West. The Appaloosa was particularly well-suited to the rugged terrain and harsh conditions of the American West.
              In the early 20th century, the Appaloosa began to decline in popularity. This was due in part to the rise of the automobile, which made horses less necessary, and in part to the increasing popularity of other breeds of horse. However, the Appaloosa made a comeback in the mid-20th century, thanks in part to the efforts of the Appaloosa Horse Club, which was founded in 1938.
              Today, the Appaloosa is once again a popular breed, and it is prized for its unique coloration and markings. The Appaloosa is a versatile breed that can be used for a variety of purposes, including riding, racing, and show jumping.
              The Appaloosa is a proud symbol of the American West, and its history is a fascinating story of the interaction between humans and horses. The breed is a living reminder of the important role that horses have played in the history of the United States.

              The End.

              I added the 'The End' bit. Pretty proud of my book review.

              [–]moneymagneto007 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              This is cool. I would like to try this AI for my projects. How can i get it?

              [–]MrDudis 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              I agree with you, continue doing that, not because it is great, it definetely isn't, you're probably learning nothing from it, and well, good luck trying to write your own essay later, when you won't have access to the model. BUT, this could be a way to show schools how old their teaching methods are, and possibly force them to change for the better. If they aren't going to make their teaching methods better, we break their system and force them to.

              [–]hahahiccups 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Frankly, if you can make an ai get you As, you deserve it.

              [–]NewToReddit4331 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              I just tested this out and…. This is insane.

              I really had it write 3 separate papers (for fun, not for any schooling) just to see how it works and my god it works extremely well and within 15 seconds I had an extremely well written paper on any topic I asked it to write about. I would have killed for this in college.

              [–]Used-Researcher1630 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              What's the tool?

              [–]RightAttorn37 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Wait. What? Am I ordering student paper from Smart Academic Solutions for no reason? 😂

              [–]immersion-IELTS 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Could you please share the details on how you use the tool? I am an IELTS writing tutor, and I have studied writing AI closely to see how it could be utilized in exam prep on writing.

              [–]antikama 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              This is gonna become very common in the future

              [–]Traditional_Bonus491 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Write an abstract on Liberia's healthcare service delivery

              [–]LowPressureUsername 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              There will be tools used to detect AI generated content, when that happens, even if you get into the college of your dreams, it would not be unlikely for the school you’re currently going to to have records of your work and for them to be checked for plagiarism. At that point you will most likely be expelled.

              Additionally, you’re sort of lowering your own competency level by not doing the work.

              [–]Independent-Stand-46 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              "I have been using this tool for quite some time and only recently came up with the idea to use it to write essays, answer questions about movies and books for school projects, and much more."

              I am sorry but may I ask, if you don't mind, what exactly is that A.I. or tool along with its exact function & applications you were talking about? And where exactly did you find it? I am just being curious and found it interesting. I don't know but Maybe it may even help me? Who knows haha!

              [–]ofcoursemyhorse 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Well done for thinking intuitively and being entrepreneurial.

              It's only a matter of time until schools and universities ask Chat GPT or other AI to recall/check work it has produced or has been plagarised by students for audit or ban it IMO.

              There could be a potential clawback if you are 10 years down the line, in a good job/position but under-performing and you're found out to be 'the guy' who used AI to get where you are today... might explain a lot and/or get you fired/worse. Don't get me wrong I would use it to my advantage in hindsight however there is reliance vs and validation/ learning opportunites.

              Obviously situation dependent but do not rely on AI for everything, it may not be with you in your time of need. Develop certain skills yourself and challenge them against AI to improve you/your thinking unless AI can neurologically teach you, in which case, Matrix.

              Very cool and intriguing nonetheless, now it feels like 2023!

              [–]hansolocambo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              [....] and now I am looked at as a genius

              My thought ? You're lying to your mates, teachers. You're a fraud.

              Those AIs can be very useful. To writers, to artists, etc.

              But using them to pretend that you are less dumb than you are is just foolish.

              That's my thought, not about AI in general which is an evolution towards our latest and greatest invention (let's hope so), but about your little petty self.

              [–]ohnoimrunningoutofle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              I think the biggest concern surrounding this is tertiary students using chatgpt to figure out the work for them. This will end with nurses, doctors, builders etc not knowing what they’re supposed to if used in this fashion during training

              [–]Takodan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              If you want to end up not learning anything in school, then go for it I guess. School is for no one else benefit than your own and your future prospects.

              [–]Banankartong 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Using AI tools to cheat or do unethical activities such as doing someone else's homework is not a good practice. It is important to maintain academic integrity and learn and grow through the process of completing assignments and projects.

              Cheating not only harms the person doing it but also undermines the efforts and achievements of others. It's important to remember that success should not be achieved through shortcuts or by taking advantage of others. Using AI tools responsibly and ethically can enhance your learning and help you develop new skills, but relying on them solely to get good grades can limit your ability to learn and grow as a student.

              I would suggest that you take a moment to reflect on the long-term consequences of your actions and consider the ethical implications of using AI tools to cheat. It's never too late to start practicing academic integrity and learning through the process of completing assignments and projects on your own. I hope this helps. Let me know if you have any other questions or concerns.

              (This answer was ofcourse written by chatgpt)

              [–]Distinct_Size9318 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              hallo wie geht's dir

              [–]Distinct_Size9318 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              kannst du auch E-Mail schreiben

              [–]givemeahugg 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              GOOD LUCK with the lack of critical thinking. Also, you have NO IDEA how cognitive process works. You can get straight A's, go to a good college and keep doing dumb and unethical stuff for the rest of your life. Just be careful not to lose your job by a smart AI that thinks and works better than you.

              [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Good luck going into the real world realising that you have 0 skills

              [–]nickg52200 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              You’ve made a 100$ profit by writing essays? Lmao I wish I was still in school