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[–]KozyShackDeluxe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dang

[–]akamboh 0 points1 point  (3 children)

So the yield of modafinil from 10 tabs was 200mg or from 1?

If so how’s it great when it’s 1/10th of what it’s supposed to be?

[–]__WaitWut[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

oh i see what you’re referring to. i said when i took the full 200mg that i extracted from 10 pills it was great. lol.

[–]__WaitWut[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

200mg from 10 tabs. 1/10th of what it’s supposed to be. where does it say that’s great? or u talking about another comment? cuz yeah it’s abysmal

[–]akamboh 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah sorry I was referring to the modawake comment. But 200 split across 10 tabs? Damn that’s wild.

[–]KASPERSKY_1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I convinced two Doctors in the US to prescribe to me. The first Doctor was hesitant and prescribe something similar to Prozac for the first 45 days which I didn’t take. Then finally prescribe Modafinil after a few phone calls and a second Dr visit. Told them that I had a tough time staying awake at work and always felt sleepy and that I also had to do work and answer emails late at night since customers were over seas 8 hours ahead of us. Now I have a lot of Modafinil since I only take half of 100 MG tablet most days and I don’t take it everyday.

[–]don_savage 4 points5 points  (0 children)

well in that case, I'm glad. I only need a quarter (sometimes half) tablet or it's too strong

[–]_ArchStanton_ 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Dam that sucks . I will trust this experiment happened and it was done correctly. And then I will patiently wait for another alleged internet chemist I also don’t know from Adam to find this post and confirm or deny. And then still carry doubt based on my bias

Edit: question: So is it not the same product they use over there? I assumed the modafinil shipped here was the same modafinil they use legally in the country. Pretty wild, actually more important information, if this is what they’re supplying over there

[–]__WaitWut[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i would imagine people being prescribed modafinil in india are more likely to use a brand like Aurobindo (or even an american generic, although i don’t know how that works, if american pharma companies are supplying indian pharmacies). Aurobindo is pretty legit - they’re not in the same league as these other ones like sun pharma who make modalert and all the others that get shipped over here as nootropics. for all the shit people talk about Aurobindo they are most likely putting the correct amount of active ingredient in the medication and they are a legitimate manufacturer of generics (i’ve taken multiple antidepressant generics manufactured by Aurobindo provided by local american pharmacies and a couple of them seemed not as effective as their teva counterparts but they weren’t complete duds). and for those who aren’t prescribed it…. well, they’re dealing with the same thing we are.

[–]camslams101 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Honestly I'm more concerned with the presence of other materials, rather than lowered active ingredient. I.e. cutting with caffeine or weird dodgy stims

[–]__WaitWut[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

this is my concern as well and why i’ll be doing extractions on large batches of pills to create my own supply of pure modafinil. i would be surprised if they’re cutting with caffeine or dodgy stims (it’s possible though)…. i just don’t know what other kind of weird or questionable stuff might be in there. now that you said that though,…. i think it would be relatively easy to see if there’s any caffeine in these. dichloromethane is the solvent of choice used to decaffeinate coffee, caffeine is more soluble in dichloromethane than water, so there’s definitely an experiment to be had here. just need to figure out how to structure it.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Fucking sad. Looks like the good days of modalert and modafinil is over.

[–]__WaitWut[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

that’s the thing…. there were good old days. the stuff did work. and it was definitely modafinil. i don’t know why they are only putting a fraction of it in these pills now but i know that’s what’s happening and it ain’t my brain

[–]PocketNicks 1 point2 points  (11 children)

Grey market drugs have always been sus. There have been plenty of reports done on it. There's very little regulatory oversight, even the plants that manufacture drugs that do get shipped to North America get few FDA visits and tend to fail them. Also they get tonnes of headsup notice before a visit, instead of the surprise visits plants in North America get. So when the FDA does visit they tend to shred documents, get their stories straight and maybe even produce some batches of good drugs. It's so dead simple and easy to get a prescription for modafinil here, it's not a controlled substance like Adderall is. I can't understand why people don't just ask a Dr and get it from a real pharmacy.

[–]nootconnoisseur 1 point2 points  (5 children)

Modafinil and Armodafinil are indeed controlled drugs in the US, albeit they are schedule IV drugs vs Adderall which are schedule II, but still is a controlled substance nonetheless. Two different doctors refused to RX me modafinil.. the first doesn't prescribe any controlled drugs anymore at all and the last one told me they won't prescribe stimulants, even though moda is schedule IV. I just wanted to point that out and add that although it seems like any doctor wouldn't hesitate to prescribe it, some definitely do. I didn't feel like asking a third doctor so I said fuck it and I buy online.

[–]PocketNicks 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Thank you for telling me a neat fact about drugs in your country. I just want to point out that, if one doctor doesn't prescribe it, just ask another one.

[–]__WaitWut[S] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

not asking for sources or anything nefarious here but, do you have any tips for approaching psychiatrists in an efficient way to see what they’ll be willing to prescribe, without going through the hassles of patient admission forms and initial psych evals? because i would love to “just ask another one” — it does indeed sound like the obvious move here. it’s just been a much more convoluted process than that, for me at least, IRL, to be a viable approach. again, not asking for tips on how to manipulate a psychiatrist as that’s not what i want to do. i’d just like to know where their lines in the sand are, so to speak, and be able to move on quickly based on that to find one i can work with who meets my needs.

[–]PocketNicks 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I'm not sure where you live, but I wouldn't start out asking a psychiatrist. Where I live, it isn't a controlled substance (like Adderall is, for example) so anyone can prescribe it just like antibiotics. I went to walk in clinics and they prescribed it for me without a second thought. My advice would be to research the conditions it is prescribed for where you live and tell a Dr that you have one of those. The primary thing is Narcolepsy, however where I live it's also prescribed for circadian rhythm disorders (I would need to see a sleep specialist to prove that) and it's also prescribed for shift work. So I can say I work a job where my work schedule changes often, sometimes working day and sometimes night shifts and they will prescribe modafinil for that. I hope that helps.

[–]__WaitWut[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

ahh yeah good call. makes sense as the first time i was prescribed it was from a GP, and it was for “jetlag and travel fatigue” as i was traveling heavily internationally at the time. i’m gonna explore that route again. cheers.

[–]PocketNicks 2 points3 points  (0 children)

NP. The psych is likely to overthink it, a walk in clinic just wants you in and out as fast as possible so they can be paid for as many clients. GP falls in the middle.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (4 children)

I had to twist my psychiatrist's arm for a long time to get a moda script. It's weird because he'll throw benzos and adderall at me like it's nothing, but modafinil he was really hesitant and won't give me more than 100mg x 30 a month.

[–]RationalGaze216 1 point2 points  (1 child)

If your insurance was paying, it's possible they'd give him shit for it. Modafinil if often more expensive than adderall, and my insurance outright refused to cover it, that's how I got onto the Indian market in the first place

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I pay out-of-pocket, no insurance. It was strange because I've been seeing this guy a long time and he's very liberal with the scripts. He gave me a ton of free sample packs of Lyrica once just because I expressed mild interest in trying it. In his words "Provigil can make you act weird.". When I pressed him for more information, he claimed he had seen patients with behavioral changes, paranoia, increased anxiety, manic states, delusional thinking, etc. after taking it long-term.

I've been on it for a while and haven't experienced anything like that. It does ramp up my anxiety if I mix it with caffeine, but that's it.

[–]PocketNicks 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I went to random walk in clinics for 6+ years and just asked for prescription moda and they gave it to me every time. They asked me to do bloodwork once though. Maybe don't ask a psych for it.

[–]__WaitWut[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

i second the last line. the only person who ever prescribed me moda was a GP, multiple psych’s wouldn’t do it for various reasons. they do more harm with that “do no harm” oath than they realize. need to be taking a “harm reduction” oath instead.

[–]bg-j38 7 points8 points  (10 children)

Just curious, have you tried this on brands made outside of India? I imagine in the US you could file a complaint with the FDA. Not sure what you can do in India.

[–]__WaitWut[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

i haven’t tried the experiment but i would love to if i had access to mass amounts of domestic moda at an affordable price. my only way of getting domestic stuff is the rare occasion i find it “on the street” which is rare as it’s not a drug in high demand on the black market (and the plethora of supply from india has kept that trend in place). and yeah there’s definitely no complaint you can file in this situation, this is it right here lol. i’m just bummed because the indian stuff worked amazingly like 6 or 7 years ago, stopped working a couple years ago, i totally thought it was me and just assumed that ride was over. then i got my hands on a couple pills from a random american generic and got that old feeling back so i spent $300 ordering a bunch more from india and got my hopes up…. it didn’t work, was racking my brains trying to figure out if it was me or the pills, and after this experiment (and others before it) and the lack of strong smell in my urine and combing reddit for days on end i’m 100% sure these pills are just not what they claim to be, anymore. the thing that kills me is they used to be legit and i took it for granted, my current psych won’t prescribe (the dude won’t even prescribe me wellbutrin because it’s contraindicated for bipolar), so i have no source, then i resort to other stims that aren’t as good for me. so maybe my real problem is i need a new psychiatrist but i felt like i had a responsibility to post this because i’ve spent so much time and energy trying to figure it out and wanted to save somebody else that stress

[–]uuunity 6 points7 points  (8 children)

I'd like to second this comment. It's interesting because I've been using Modalert for years. Recently got a prescription in the US and if anything it seems weaker than Modalert. Or maybe the Indian brands have something else besides modafinil?

[–]_ArchStanton_ 1 point2 points  (7 children)

That’s scary ( if post true) cause it could mean the way tabs completely stop working for some is an actual sign of physical dependence on something.

But I’m curious what could cause a similar stimulant effect that would be cheaper to use. I’ve tried most nootropics and nothing feels like the afinils (for me,) but I doubt they’d use anything more problematic for American import (or legal production over there, I don’t know their laws or how enforced they are.)

[–]__WaitWut[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i honestly don’t think there’s another stimulant they could substitute that would feel similar enough to moda to trick enough people and sustain that “trick” long enough to profit from it. i’ve been through almost every nootropic stimulant on the market and many that aren’t on the market anymore, and many RC stims, there just isn’t anything else that compares to it, the feeling of moda and where it lies on the spectrum as far as reinforcing qualities (right on the line between being a drug of abuse but not quite) is very unique. the closest thing from my experience would be extended release methylphenidate. but it wouldn’t make sense for them to substitute that.

[–]uuunity 2 points3 points  (5 children)

Yeah man, it's super weird. Modalert vs generic US Modafinil. I can tell both have the drug in them. Same taste, same urine smell.

US Mod just doesn't really do anything for me except make me awake + added anxiety. Modalert used to be a game changer. It's possible there was something else in the Modalert, but I don't know what. I wasn't ever really dependent on it or anything.

I've always assumed I just sort of aged out of the benefits of Modafinil. I don't even take it anymore unless I'm super sleep deprived. Over a decade of using something, probably tolerance just eventually accumulated.

Good luck!

[–]__WaitWut[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

they def have the same smell (moda is an extremely strong smell) but when i take an actual 200mg of american-made modafinil my urine reeks of it and when i take these foreign generics i can barely smell it even if i take multiple doses. 6 or 7 years ago the indian stuff gave me a helluva buzz and made my piss reek. i thought maybe i fried my receptors and that’s why it wasn’t working for me anymore. but the lack of smell in urine and a couple chemistry experiments say otherwise

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I am starting to suspect too. Was there some sort of amphetamine in modalert all this time?

Very disappointed that modalert IP is not the same any more.

[–]__WaitWut[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

definitely wasn’t an amphetamine. there would have been many reports of people testing dirty. it was real moda in it in the past, and that amount has just dwindled down drastically.

[–]_ArchStanton_ 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Don’t mean to fuel a panic, we’re still basing this off a single anecdote where the OP hasn’t updated and any other anons claiming to be chemists haven’t chimed in, but..

After quick, brief research on a single Indian website, looks like 10 tabs of meth od are sold for around 100 of their currency, while 10 tabs of Modalert are sold for around 300. I though amphetamines would be more expensive. Whoops

Still doesn’t mean mod is actually more expensive to produce. Even if our tabs have less mod now, doesn’t mean they have more of some other harmful thing specifically. And, still, the idea of them taking the risk of shipping amphetamines to the US on such a huge scale , to individual unconsenting Americans, and risking some king of international incident is crazy to me. But, ya never know

Again, take everything with a grain of salt. I used to abuse adderall and vyvanse in a dark time and I feel like I’d know the difference, being also very familiar with noots and the afinils

[–]__WaitWut[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

re: “international incident” - one of these guys has already been indicted in america. it is a massive international incident. (i didn’t mean to fuel a panic either tho). https://www.justice.gov/usao-wdpa/pr/man-admits-operating-india-based-web-pharmacy-sold-misbranded-rx-drugs-us-consumers