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[–]DanielMattiaWriterContent Writer | Moderator[M] [score hidden] stickied comment (2 children)

FYI: I agree with the opinion that some of the comments here (for and against ChatGPT/AI) are expressed as fact when they are not, but that doesn't constitute "misinformation," so please refrain from reporting them as such. You are fully within your rights to downvote them and/or respond to them with refutations, but opinions -- even when misrepresented as facts -- don't fall under "misinformation" within this context.

Edit: Continued misuse of the report functionality for "misinformation" has resulted in your false reports being reported to Reddit for abuse.

[–]Outrageous_Onion827 0 points1 point  (1 child)

but opinions -- even when misrepresented as facts -- don't fall under "misinformation" within this context

That's literally what misinformation is.... something that is not a fact, presented as a fact.

[–]DanielMattiaWriterContent Writer | Moderator 0 points1 point  (0 children)

within this context

[–]OrdoMalaise 82 points83 points  (105 children)

Sorry to hear this happened to you.

I'm a lot less bullish than most on AI, I think it's a huge threat to any writing profession.

As you said, with innovations like this, it's often more about cost than quality.

Look at what's happening with customer services. Are real people better than dealing with issues than chatbots? Yes. But that's not stopped swathes of customer service teams being replaced by them.

I know someone who's a freelance translator. She's recently really struggled to find work, as most of what she did has now been lost to Google Translate. Does she do a better job? Undoubtedly. But Google is fast and free, and most clients care more about that, apparently.

It's not that AI is particularly great at what it does, it's more that it's cheap and fast that's the rub.

[–]hazzdawg 18 points19 points  (27 children)

Yeah that's essentially my take. I can win on quality (for now) but sure as shit can't compete on quantity/price.

[–]imnos 10 points11 points  (6 children)

(for now)

Unfortunately for many here, the rate at which AI is improving means this likely won't be the case for long.

I'm not a writer, just a software engineer observing what's been happening over the last few years.

[–]jadondrew 10 points11 points  (2 children)

It’s gotten so good at coding that pretty soon it will be better than human coders and it’ll be used as a tool to improve itself. It really is exponential. And that means that we’re all kinda in the same boat here.

Pretty soon we’re going to have to fight for a new economic system just so we can live decent lives. Automation is inevitable and I think UBI is an important part of the discussion but I think it goes beyond that even. AI must be commonly owned.

[–]jack-bloggs 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yes all of it needs to commonly owned.

UBI just leaves everyone at the whim of govt handouts, paid for by taxes, on something.

It needs to be a universal basic equity, as proposed by Yanis Varoufakis.

[–]rik-huijzer 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I agree. ChatGPT learned in a few months what took me about 20 years to learn.

What keeps me optimistic though is that:

  1. The world probably wants more software if the costs of producing it goes down. As crazy as this claim from Sam Altman and Satya Nadella sounds, I think they have a point. Anyone I talk to can point out some part in their life where they want some kind of software tool to manage something for them. Especially in business.
  2. Aligning the systems with real-world problems might remain a human task for quite some years. Even though an AI might know what's the best software in theory, it might not know what's the best software in practice.

[–]hazzdawg 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Unfortunately I'm inclined to agree. Part of me hopes it will still lack a certain human element. But I suspect I'm just being hopeful.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Whatever is human is digitizable … just like everything within the world… all can be represented by math. Numbers are everything. 0001010001010010100001000100001010

[–]Gaius1313 7 points8 points  (0 children)

For now is the keyword there. We’re at such an early stage and it’s already good enough for companies to either use what it produces straight away, or it takes 95% of the effort out of it and they can justify the use of their time to make minor changes to the output.

By the time ChatGPT5 gets here possibly later this year it will be game, set, match. I personally wouldn’t spend my time pursuing something like content writing as a main source of income with any mid or long-term horizons in mind.

[–]coylter 6 points7 points  (17 children)

To be perfectly frank, I think GPT-4 writes as well as the best writers if not better already. It just has to be prompted correctly.

[–]Hunter62610 3 points4 points  (11 children)

Yeah AI hasn't even remotely been unlocked. I see so many people who claim it's shit that just don't know how to talk to it. It's trained to talk like us and has near infinite ability to reference. You have to abuse that and make it "remember" what it knows. Also providing your own accurate data vastly improves accuracy. Have it read a Wikipedia article on a subject and it fixes a lot of mistakes it might make.

[–]GigMistressModerator 3 points4 points  (10 children)

It makes shit up, which its creators have confirmed is a feature, not a bug--if you ask it for information it doesn't have, it is programmed to fabricate something.

[–]Hunter62610 0 points1 point  (5 children)

Sure, but it's V1. And 2, when trained on a subject it becomes far more accurate.

What human has 100% accuracy on all subjects? None. Being generally accurate would still be huge and massively disruptive

[–]GigMistressModerator 3 points4 points  (4 children)

Being generally accurate in a way that means 85% of what you say is true but no one has any way of knowing which is which without researching is worth less than nothing.

You're right that it won't always be this way. But, no piece of content that includes an indistinguishable mix of fact and total fabrication is worth anything at all.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This somehow hit my feed, so wanted to add a disclaimer that I am not a freelance writer. I am a business analyst and amateur fiction writer.

There are ways to tap the Open AI api and throw in some products people have made to produce more accurate responses. I won't get into the nitty gritty but you can code it in Python, and use Pinecone to give ChatGPT longterm memory and use Langchain to have it perform multiple advanced prompts in tandem. Doing this while priming the model with a textbook, or some other source you deem acceptable produces far more accurate responses.

It will not be a long time before this is a tool with a user interface. I am making some as personal projects and I'm no data scientist just yet.

Wanted to throw in my two cents as I felt this was an interesting topic, and felt I had relevant knowledge about how close this tech is to be available.

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    [–]GigMistressModerator 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    I wonder why they would have lied in a public statement and said the AI was programmed to make its best guess if it didn't find information...makes them look pretty bad, so I have a hard time believing they were just pretending they meant for it to do that.

    [–]MasakakiKairi_v2 0 points1 point  (3 children)

    You're delusional. Good story writing requires an understanding of character motivations and story events, and ALL of these systems are just predictive models. NONE of them understand the meaning. You're trying to write Shakespeare with a monkey on a typewriter

    [–]coylter 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    You are simply wrong about the models not understanding meaning or characters motivations but you might not have followed the recent development in the field. I can't really blame you as this space is moving at breakneck speed.

    [–]MasakakiKairi_v2 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    I've been following this tech for a while and have talked with the people engineering these systems. A probabilistic weight in the network is not the same as a hard definition. Just because the program contains image data tagged with "tree" and can generate images resembling trees, that does not compare to actually knowing what a tree is, having information about WHY it looks as it does, not just what's more likely

    [–]Buckowski66 15 points16 points  (3 children)

    Good point about costumer service. Companies would rather send you to a website then have to pay an actual staff to give you good service. When the bad service becomes industry standard people stop having choices and the supermarkets can have 22 closed check stands and three overcrowded self -check stands.

    Most people don't write for five star luxury brands with a fancy reputation, they work for mid tier companies always looking at cutting costs as a priority. That's why Ai is growing and won't go away.

    [–]mista-sparkle 7 points8 points  (2 children)

    costumer service.

    First AI came for the professional writers, then AI came for the tailors and wardrobe department.

    [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

    We just can't ever catch a break. Soon the AI is going to be peeing for us!

    [–]afishcalledkwanzaa 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    There's also

    Companies would rather send you to a website then have to pay an actual staff to give you good service.

    Why does it matter the order of when a company pays its staff?

    Not a great look for /r/freelanceWriters

    [–]BadNewzBears4896 6 points7 points  (5 children)

    Domain after domain, consumers have proven to prefer good enough and cheap over top quality.

    [–]ExpendableLimb 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    Not even cheap anymore. They usually end up paying more in the end for an inferior product that fails quickly.

    [–]BadNewzBears4896 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Yeah, there's certainly a lot of short-termism at play, but the point is you need to be clear eyed that cheap and convenient is a hell of a combination to fight against.

    The graveyard of failed businesses is littered with companies that tried to compete mostly on quality and lost.

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      [–]BadNewzBears4896 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      Wasn't even saying that as a judgment, just as a matter of fact.

      Camera phones decimating home camcorder sales, MP3s over the better audio quality of CDs, fast fashion like Shein or H&M booming while more traditional clothing retailers like J.Crew or Gap Brands have been fighting off bankruptcy.

      You can't fight cheap and adequate with quality alone.

      [–]GooderThrowaway 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      And nor is my reply a judgment either. Less isn't always a bad thing.

      In the case of MP3s for instance: sonically, the difference between MP3s and WAVs (CD quality) isn't huge, and as someone who buys and puts music on his computer, MP3s save a lot of HD space for me!

      But as with other types of products and services, the result is a conditioning of expectation for less. For better or worse (a lot of times worse!)

      [–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (8 children)

      I would even say it’s a huge threat to every creative profession. We already see a lot of AI pictures, listen to AI voices and there are (very cheap looking) shows like the Seinfeld one.

      I think it’s just a matter of time until it also takes over knowledge management and development. I would also highly recommend to learn everything about AI and work with it. Who tries to compete with will lose in the long run. Even the 1% on the top. You can train AI to match your ideas about style. Training us is a lot more difficult 😉.

      At the end of the day it’s always a value proposition: how can you be a part of something that’s more valuable than AI alone? Personally in our field I only see the chance to be the one that trains the AI for clients and rounds up the results.

      But yes such positions will make less money. And a lot of writer positions won’t be needed anymore.

      [–]Lidiflyful 15 points16 points  (4 children)

      Its not a matter of time before it takes over knowledge management - its already doing it. There are companies out there linking it up to decsion engines.

      This isn't hearsay, I have seen it with my own eyes.

      [–]stealthdawg 0 points1 point  (3 children)

      Any examples?

      [–]Lidiflyful 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      https://youtu.be/oEJBH5pFims

      [–]Richard_AQET 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      That's an interesting video. Are you associated with the company?

      I thought the FCA bit was very interesting, I could see that working very well to help people explore complex documents.

      I work with data, so example #3 was also pretty cool

      [–]ABC_AlwaysBeCoding 1 point2 points  (2 children)

      once people realize the barely creative output they’re getting from these models, the value of actual creativity is going to skyrocket

      [–]oxyzgen 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      The thing is that lots of people are very creative but just can't express their creativity right so they hire an artist to be creative for them. With AI those people can finally be creative without wasting much time

      [–]ABC_AlwaysBeCoding 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      I still think that in that case, the very creative people will still have their edge

      It may have flattened the playing field, though. But so did the calculator and the computer itself.

      [–]Strange_Anteater_441 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      Machine translation is extremely good with modern LLMs. It’s approaching, if not exceeding, human quality.

      [–]BrushOnFour 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      Guess what? Handmade furniture is a lot cooler, better made, and last longer. But IKEA is cheaper and faster.

      [–]Smellz_Of_Elderberry 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Are real people better than dealing with issues than chatbots?

      I'm betting by the end of 2024 that statement will be turned upside down.

      Check out "gpt agents" it will blow your mind.

      [–]mista-sparkle 5 points6 points  (13 children)

      It's not that AI is particularly great at what it does, it's more that it's cheap and fast that's the rub.

      I would push back against this, and say that AI is particularly great at what it does.

      This isn't just about cost cutting... if ChatGPT didn't provide output high-quality text, with seamless intelligent responsiveness for revision, it would be more of a niche tool that compliments the skills of professionals, rather than an actual threat to those professionals.

      GPT-4 scored in the 90th percentile on the BAR, SATs, and other high-level tests. It's definitely able to produce quality. I would even venture to imagine that occurrences of typos, so called "hallucinations," and other word-salad output in ChatGPT responses to prompts are less frequent than from most professionals that are considered high-performing in their respective field.

      Take the below anecdote from a recent WSJ article. When a tool successfully passes a niche test where most fail, it is able to serve needs at a level that meet or exceed what would be expected of a professional:

      It was an unexpected problem. Earlier this year, Christina Qi, the chief executive of market data company Databento, noticed almost every job application included exactly what she was looking for.

      The company prompts candidates to write a tweet and a press release about microwave towers, a niche topic that requires research, Ms. Qi said. Normally, most candidates fail the test. This time all five passed.

      The tests—four from internship applicants and one from someone seeking a full-time content strategist role—were all so similar, “as if it was written by one person,” she said. Suspicious, Ms. Qi put the prompt into ChatGPT, the artificial-intelligence chatbot from OpenAI, to see what it could produce.

      “Lo and behold, I got pretty much the same answer that all five candidates had submitted to me,” she said.

      [–]CryptidMothYeti 2 points3 points  (1 child)

      The test-performance (e.g. on SATs/GRE) is a bit of a red-herring.

      Just because a LLM can match/out-perform a human on a test does not mean that the LLM matches/out-performs the human being on what the tester is interested in. The test is almost always a proxy for something else that generally (you hope) correlates with the measured quantity among test-takers.

      So when we ask students to take a GRE, we expect that performance on that test will correlate with their likelihood to perform well on an advanced graduate programme, including completing a PhD and original research. LLMs can perform well on these tests, but those same LLMs are not able to undertake a PhD in the way that a graduate student could.

      To some extent this may just show flaws in the testing methodology, but it's entirely possible to have a test that works pretty well for human-test-takers, but is meaningless when you apply it to an LLM in part because the underlying machinery and models are so different.

      [–]mista-sparkle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Kudos, I agree to your point that the performance on these standard tests do not mean that the LLM out-performs humans on what the test is actually interested in determining, though I wouldn't be so quick to throw the detail out as a red herring. It is still quite significant, and does speak to the fact that the LLM is capable in matching or exceeding human performance in certain ways that are incredibly useful.

      [–]Zachaggedon 2 points3 points  (2 children)

      Bar isn’t an acronym https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bar_(law))

      [–]mista-sparkle 3 points4 points  (1 child)

      Thank you, TIL!

      or maybe I knew and just wanted to shout it

      [–]AntiqueFigure6 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      The story about Ms Qi is interesting. I’d venture that if one person out of the five had done an acceptable job without ChatGPT - or post edited to get a different tone - they would have got the job.

      Half the point of a job application is to differentiate yourself from the other candidates, and with everyone else using ChatGPT, using by itself won’t let you do that.

      [–]redlightning07 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Gpt-4 also had access to the internet and who knows what else. Any trained human with access to the same resources can do the same job, albeit slower.

      [–]emp_zealoth 0 points1 point  (3 children)

      So, where exactly is the revolution? Companies expect idiotic things, now people can provide those idiotic things instantly and satisfying idiotic requirements. Do you think companies will realise what they ask for is dumb or will they double down (like they have been doing longer than i have been alive) ?

      [–]mista-sparkle 0 points1 point  (2 children)

      I think that innovation compounds over time for any groundbreaking technology. While ChatGPT had the largest user adoption at launch than any application, the really remarkable capabilities come from GPT-4, which was released just a month or so ago. Individuals and smaller companies will be able to adopt utilizing it in truly innovative ways before larger corporations do, as larger orgs tend to have much stronger controls, and we'll likely first see the most disruptive changes in industries with employees that tend to be younger and moderately technologically savvy.

      I don't have a good answer for the latter question, though I would imagine that it would depend on the industry and the extent of how bureaucratic the company in question would be. I think that a lot of companies will find middle management and MBAs to be less useful when executives can get full finished products on their desks by EOD directly from the creators/developers, along with ROI projections and product performance dashboards by the EOW, but I could also have this backwards – middle management may be the ones now empowered to deliver creative products.

      [–]emp_zealoth 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      I think a lot of my personal smh-ness comes from how people seem to completely misunderstand economics. One analogy i keep thinking of is telcos thinking that they will be able to charge basically infinite profit margins on long distance calls thanks to VoIP, where exactly the opposite has happened. Nowadays you can basically talk to almost anyone who has internet basically for free

      [–]mista-sparkle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Right, and I will admit that I don't understand economics well enough to be confident of any answer I give predicting truly disruptive outcomes. I follow what the industry says and the markets in the news, I've got ideas, and I can follow a logical series of events to their consequences... But that doesn't mean that I actually believe anyone knows what precisely will happen.

      [–]agramuglia 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      Well, here's the thing: the average marketing agency isn't writing for someone who is there to pass the Bar Exam. They're writing for average folks.

      I suspect that ChatGPT is going to create homogenous, complex copy that sounds sophisticated, but doesn't rank well with SEO and leaves all businesses sounding samey. And companies that just use AI to generate copy or stories are going to be left with sophisticated duplicates of the same messaging.

      They won't stand out. And their businesses will stagnant, just like people who thought Google Translate would kill the translation Industry.

      I have written for lawyers and companies. Both parties are going to be disappointed with ChatGPT in the long run, because lawyers want precision and accuracy, and companies will want to stand out.

      [–]mista-sparkle 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      With RLHF, if the sophisticated natural GPT-speak, which sounds like a cross between a thoughtful reddit comment and the abstract of a masters thesis, doesn't test well with your audience, you input feedback to get it to speak in a manner that does.

      [–]usicafterglow 3 points4 points  (3 children)

      I'm a lot less bullish than most on AI, I think it's a huge threat to any writing profession.

      Gentle correction: if you're "less bullish" on something, it means you're less inclined to invest in the thing. I had to read the sentence a few times to realize you meant the opposite.

      [–]MIGMOmusic 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      Okay I also think he said what he meant but for different reasons. I think there is a confusing juxtaposition between the seemingly contradicting phrases, but it seems to read to me as:

      “Even though I’m a lot less bullish than most on AI, even I can’t deny that I think it’s a huge threat to any writing profession.”

      I also wanted to respond to the thought with a counter point that writers are better equipped than most people to think abstractly and articulate complicated ideas clearly. This is a huge advantage when it comes to harnessing the power of LLMs through prompt engineering! Everyone here has a really neat edge on this new tech in my opinion. It’s time to put those writing skills to use doing whatever seems fun or lucrative, because writers can do practically anything now, as long as one continues learning other skills along the way. Just a little bit of hope and positivity :)

      [–]usicafterglow -1 points0 points  (0 children)

      Ah, that makes sense. The main source of confusion might just be that the sentence is a comma splice.

      I mentally corrected the comma splice by swapping the comma out for a colon, which led me to believe the parent was using the term "bullish" incorrectly, and you corrected it by prefixing the sentence with a contrasting subordinating conjunction ("even though"). I prefer your fix.

      [–]jaggs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Actually, I think he says what he meant. He's a lot less bullish (i.e. not so enthusiastic) because he thinks it's a huge threat. I don't think the 'invest' part was really relevant? Could be wrong though. :)

      [–]sweetteatime 0 points1 point  (34 children)

      It’s the way the world works though. There will be a lot of job disruptions and job losses. New technology has done this always, but new jobs are always created. AI can only create what it prompted to create and it’s not perfect. I’d imagine a lot of writers will be used for prompts and work with the AI.

      [–]djazzie 11 points12 points  (18 children)

      Frankly, the long term macro economics of AI matter little to me right now. At the moment, I’m trying to figure out how to pay my mortgage and put food on the table. I don’t give a shit if AI creates a new job for someone else at the moment.

      [–]GooderThrowaway 6 points7 points  (0 children)

      Exactly.

      These people who keep on parroting "jObB CrEaTioN" narrative from their tech daddies need to get real:

      We're in the s*** right now, and money is the game right now--and in the immediate future. Imaginary jobs obviously aren't doing anything for anybody right now.

      The tech bros who are disrupting/f***ing everything need to come up with plans not platitudes if they want to keep selling the new-jobs con.

      [–]VancityGaming 3 points4 points  (1 child)

      The prompt engineer jobs aren't coming anyhow.

      [–]djazzie 2 points3 points  (0 children)

      Yeah, that’s a bunch of BS. Even if you’re not a writer, you can figure out a prompt now. And there will be other AIs to write prompts. There already are sort of.

      [–]GooderThrowaway 7 points8 points  (2 children)

      "It's the way the world works" is not going to be what anyone will want to hear from you when we're standing in the bread line.

      [–]sweetteatime 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      No doubt! But I really think this will lead to some kind of middle ground with enough disruption. Society isn’t going to stand by while everyone loses their livelihood.

      [–]Insterstellar 5 points6 points  (2 children)

      The labor participation rate is lower now than 200 years ago. Jobs were destroyed faster than they were created, overall.

      [–]Babhadfad12 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

      Proportionally, there are more older people than ever. Labor force participation rate should be going lower and lower assuming people age out of workforce.

      [–]fuckyomama 8 points9 points  (5 children)

      this is a common misconception. ai is going to dramatically reduce job numbers and the number of new jobs created is going to be nowhere near enough to replace lost ones.

      whole swathes of new jobs were created by a massive explosion of industry in the industrial revolution. this is nothing like that. a sliver of new jobs will emerge as whole fields are decimated

      [–]Sentence-Prestigious 7 points8 points  (3 children)

      It’s complete naivety from everyone. I don’t know if it’s actual ignorance or refusing to accept what’s coming - but no one should think for a second this will lead to more economic opportunity.

      This isn’t like the calculator where we got to save ourselves from performing arithmetic on our finger. This is the complete outsourcing of the core human actions of formulating arguments, synthesizing language, and defending positions out to groups with the funding for multi-billion dollar computing clusters and the ability to feed the entirety of human knowledge into language models.

      [–]GooderThrowaway 9 points10 points  (2 children)

      These people are trying to use the past as a predictor for the future, which is faulty logic. You can use past behavior of people as a predictor for future behavior, but you cannot for events. Especially black swan events.

      AI proliferation is a black swan event. It is so vastly different than any technological advance that's occurred previously that it simply cannot be compared.

      All of this said, I'm making it a goal to spend less time on the internet altogether because, while it has been bad for years, the buffoonery has truly gotten out of hand now.

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        [–]GooderThrowaway 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        This is way crazier than the wheel. I can see that he's speaking to the significance to it, but to compare it to the wheel is intellectually disingenuous.

        It's more akin to the machine gun, or the nuclear bomb.

        That said, Geoffrey Hinton is a moron.

        [–]sweetteatime 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        I’m hoping that with enough disruption there will be some middle ground where we will recognize the harm AI can cause while still progressing as a society.

        [–]edest 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        " I’d imagine a lot of writers will be used for prompts and work with the AI."

        Exactly, if I need to hire a writer today I will expect them to use ChatGPT or such. ChatGPT will not do the job but I expect a human with it to do it. A project that took X hours before can now be done in a fraction of the time. But the bottom line, I will still need a knowledgeable person to bring it to completion. It's a new world. We all need to adapt.

        I suspect that many people are coasting thru their job by using AI now. But competition will set in and there are going to be lots of people using AI for projects, along with their skills, to outwork those that are coasting. Leaving them in the dust.

        [–]CryptidMothYeti 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        It's the way we make the world work.

        It's not like gravity or the speed of light. The way technology is used and the way the economy is organised are choices made via power and politics

        [–]sweetteatime 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        No doubt! I think this will definitely cause some changes and effect how we view giant corporations

        [–]Praise_AI_Overlords -1 points0 points  (0 children)

        Look at what's happening with customer services. Are real people better than dealing with issues than chatbots? Yes.

        Not really.

        Were real people better? Yes. But today it is just not the case.

        [–]graveyardofstars 100 points101 points  (71 children)

        I'm also tired of people saying that ChatGPT4 is not as disruptive as everyone is saying, that the hype will fade, and that good writers will prevail. They ignore what's an obvious reality - if dozens of people report here that they lost almost all clients to AI, then not everything is as rosy as they want to believe.

        We live in a profit-driven world where quantity matters more than quality. That means that most companies will only care about publishing decent content every day, and that's where ChatGPT outperforms us. Good writers can deliver the most captivating copies and articles, but they're not free and can't deliver their work in a matter of seconds.

        Many businesses will hire writers to be prompt engineers, but AI will do most of the job. That means writers will only receive half of what they've been earning before.

        And those continuously repeating "adapt and reskill", forget that learning new skills or moving to another career usually takes time - and people must pay bills, rents, food, etc. I would expect more critical thinking from writers.

        [–]Ayywa 18 points19 points  (28 children)

        really hate that "adapt and reskill" take. What's the point of learning new trade now if it can be taken away by AI before you know it?

        [–]graveyardofstars 8 points9 points  (12 children)

        Exactly! I decided to transition to technical writing, but then read these writers are also losing jobs. If we're being real, every job can be automated and will be eventually.

        [–]Redducer 4 points5 points  (2 children)

        Technical writing has been one of my top uses for ChatGPT. I suspect our firm will not hire a single technical writer again.

        [–]graveyardofstars 3 points4 points  (1 child)

        Thanks for sharing. I initially decided to transition to technical writing because where I live (Portugal), companies are only hiring technical writers. There are a bunch of job ads targeting these professionals. But things typically change at a slower rate here, that might be why.

        [–]Redducer 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        If you still consider it, I’d recommend looking at industries where confidentiality and proprietary systems are a big thing. Banks are probably the safest bet. Also my understanding is some of the big euro banks have strong tech teams in Portugal.

        [–]Lazarous86 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Not every job. Service based professions will downsize, but prevail. Tons of people don't want to talk to a machine. They want to deal with a human. It's impossible to automate it out entirely.

        [–]teapotwhisky -1 points0 points  (7 children)

        Well you could consider blue collar work? Something other than writing?

        It sucks but the market is what the market wants. Twenty years ago, making a living freelance writing for blogs was unheard of. If you wanted to write for a living you had to find a publisher or a newspaper to hire you, or perhaps a marketing agency or something.

        [–]graveyardofstars 1 point2 points  (6 children)

        I am seriously considering taking a mixology course because I already work in a bar. I don't see robots becoming good at making tasty cocktails, at least not in the next five years. 😂

        [–]below-the-rnbw -2 points-1 points  (4 children)

        There are already chains of coffee shops that are entirely robot operated, where you have profile with the company where you can tweak every drink to your preference, and it will remember that preference between all branches and make the exact same drink every time. I don't see why the same technology couldn't be used in bars

        [–]graveyardofstars 3 points4 points  (3 children)

        Are you saying I should start hoping for a comet to hit the Earth or planning my funeral? 😂 Because if nothing's left, how do we earn a salary?

        [–]below-the-rnbw 2 points3 points  (2 children)

        We are about to enter a new age. Very few things will be the same in 10 years, and in 20 years, the rate of progress will be so fast, that seeing beyond that point in time is all but impossible.I recommend "The Singularity is near" by Ray Kurzweil, which is a follow up to "The Age of Spiritual Machines", Where Kurzweil plots technology on a wide array of different factors, like MB/$ and other concrete data.He has been doing this since the 60ies and quickly realized that all these graphs were logarithmic and could be plotted and predicted. He has since had countless of predictions come true, and his biggest prediction, AGI that outperforms humans in 2029 is seeming more and more on the nose.I'm worried by the future, but I think that the end of this crisis could potentially be a post capitalist society of overwhelming abundance, where no one needs to do anything unless they want to, and that keeps me hopeful.

        For one version of how such a society could look, I recommend "Down and out in the magic kingdom" by Cory Doctorow.

        "Jules is a young man barely a century old. He's lived long enough to see the cure for death and the end of scarcity, to learn ten languages and compose three symphonies...and to realize his boyhood dream of taking up residence in Disney World."

        From Good Reads

        [–]theganjamonster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        This is kinda how I'm thinking, when I inevitably lose my job to AI I'm gonna finally go live out my dream of being a river guide and hope the bots don't like whitewater

        [–]luisbrudna 7 points8 points  (6 children)

        You adapt... And artificial intelligence adapts faster.

        [–]Redducer 2 points3 points  (5 children)

        I keep being frustrated these days by how slowly I can ingest new information while a LLM can read several books in seconds.

        [–]Myrkrvaldyr 1 point2 points  (1 child)

        Hardware issue, mate. Too bad we can't change parts or upgrade our CPU like cyborgs. xD

        [–]Dramatic-Ad7192 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        I’m running on 30 year old hardware 🎺

        [–]luisbrudna 0 points1 point  (2 children)

        I am a professor at a Brazilian university. I've been thinking a lot about the need to learn. I like to read and will continue to do so. My role as an educator has changed.

        [–]Myrkrvaldyr 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        Did you stop giving homework or asking students to write essays at home? CGPT4 is very good at writing and so many students are cheating now that teachers have been forced to adapt.

        [–]luisbrudna 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        My students are adults. I expect wisdom from them. But I really changed the strategies in the classroom a little. Assessments are face-to-face only.

        [–]Strange_Anteater_441 5 points6 points  (0 children)

        It’s quite plausible robotics will be at least a few years behind white collar automation, but yeah all jobs are going away eventually. And if retraining takes 4 years, well, 4 years is a hell of a long time these days.

        [–]rik-huijzer 4 points5 points  (2 children)

        Being a hairdresser should be okay for a while. People fear that robots would cut their ears off and also they probably want a human to talk to.

        [–]LeapingBlenny 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        Go ahead and ask for a raise when there are 4,000 other laid off people whose jobs were automated ready to work for less. We're not ready for what's coming.

        [–]rik-huijzer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        I was joking

        [–]Praise_AI_Overlords 1 point2 points  (2 children)

        Obviously, learn trades that won't be taken away by AI in the near future. Electricity, plumbing, stand-up comedy.

        [–]Ayywa 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        Obviously, if millions of unemployed people will rush for these jobs, then they won’t be as lucrative as they are now. Besides, electricity and plumbing requires such a different skillset and predispositions than writing, I don‘t know why you put it here. I don’t understand at all why everytime people recommend plumbing in particular, is this kind of a poop fetish? There are reasons why one person chooses writing over plumbing. Or plumbing over writing. I won’t even comment on stand-up comedy lol

        [–]Praise_AI_Overlords 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Plumbing and electricity are recommended first and foremost because knowing these trades makes you far less dependent on tradesmen.

        Predispositions aren't relevant. Never really were, much less in 2023.

        [–]Smellz_Of_Elderberry 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        The only point is if it's something you enjoy. That's it.

        [–]AcceptableSleep5002 15 points16 points  (4 children)

        Many businesses will hire writers to be prompt engineers, but AI will do most of the job. That means writers will only receive half of what they've been earning before.

        But of course, not even half of the writers will be receiving that half. Fewer people AND less money.

        [–]graveyardofstars 5 points6 points  (0 children)

        Exactly. That makes it even worse.

        [–]Paradoxmoose 3 points4 points  (2 children)

        And even fewer when prompt engineers are replaced with algorithmic prompt optimizing routines- which are already available for ML image generators. If it doesn't already exist for text, it soon will.

        [–]carlos_51 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        Could you please explain what are these algorithmic prompt optimizing routines and how they work. Or link a source that provide more details.

        [–]StrangeCalibur 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        With image AI, shit in, shit out, most of the time. The optimiser means shit in, gold out, every time.

        [–]Redditing-Dutchman 3 points4 points  (3 children)

        Many businesses will hire writers to be prompt engineers, but AI will do most of the job. That means writers will only receive half of what they've been earning before.

        I agree with you here, but it's also important to imagine the next steps. No just thinking current society + AI writers.

        Instead, that whole business might go, because it's doing a service or creating a product that can be automated all together soon.

        Like, how you might think marketing companies are going to replace artists with AI. Ok sure, but what about businesses automating the whole marketing department. Then that huge marketing company is going to be obsolete too. And that business might be a lawyer company. Well, why would anyone hire a lawyer when they can have AI find the best case solution in a matter of seconds.

        [–]graveyardofstars 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        That's terrifying but true. When we think of the effect this has on society and the workforce on a large scale, it could really result in automation of every sector and business.

        And with new AI apps and tools popping up every day, it's safe to imagine we'll be able to turn to AI for every question, problem, and project we have.

        [–]GigMistressModerator 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        Well, why would anyone hire a lawyer when they can have AI find the best case solution in a matter of seconds.

        Currently, because that's not how cases are won. But, when cases are decided by AI (something that has been in development and testing for many years) that will be a very different story.

        [–]Redditing-Dutchman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Agreed, but it was also just an example of how a business might not need another business, or a customer might not need a business, when AI offers the same service(s).

        [–]dasnihil 6 points7 points  (19 children)

        It is very obviously disruptive. If this continues, artists will not be rewarded for writing/drawing/singing/acting. That would mean that the coming society will only pay you for doing utilitarian work and not for doing art. May be the machine now wants to expedite its own coming and sees "art" as hindrance to it and "autonomy" as a solution.

        [–]thisguywonders 3 points4 points  (16 children)

        Possible counter point: Now a single person adept with operating AI could potentially output a volume of work far greater than ever before. Individual people who had to resort to being freelancers with clients before and only contributed to a bigger thing, can now make their own thing. Think of the huge teams and millions in budget it took to create movies in the past. In the future a lot of it can be automated and a random person can create whatever he wants with extremely reduced effort. Once technical skill is no longer in the way and everyone gets tired of competent execution (because it becomes ubiquitous), true creativity and good ideas could become more valued again as I feel they used to be in the past.

        Who will pay to see the latest soulless Marvel movie for the VFX effects when they can watch some indie movie with equal production quality (thanks to AI) but much more captivating storylines etc for instance?

        [–]GooderThrowaway 6 points7 points  (3 children)

        Who will pay to see the latest soulless Marvel movie for the VFX effects when they can watch some indie movie with equal production quality (thanks to AI) but much more captivating storylines etc for instance?

        Most people when they realize how exhausting it is to wade through the absolute deluge of vapid garbage that people constantly create.

        Think of how much content is uploaded to the internet every hour. It will be compounded dramatically with greater access to AI-based tools.

        I can only imagine how much land the tech companies will be buying for all that server space...

        [–]GigMistressModerator 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        Most people when they realize how exhausting it is to wade through the absolute deluge of vapid garbage that people constantly create.

        Already, without AI in the mix, there are hundreds of thousands of self-published books on Amazon every month with zero sales.

        [–]GooderThrowaway 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        That's a great point and really speaks to where we already are!

        [–]thisguywonders -1 points0 points  (0 children)

        Yes ofc. And the mass of garbage will make people crave for something genuine even more. Or maybe I'm being too optimistic. We shall see.

        [–]emp_zealoth 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        Marginal value of this output goes closer to zero every day. Hypothetically, if TONS of people can produce high quality output, then that output is basically worthless in money sense

        [–]uishax 2 points3 points  (5 children)

        This, creatives need more ambition, more imagination.

        Why does Marvel make a billion each movie despite producing trash? Its going to be possible within 2 years for an independent artist to make hour long movies, with voices, art, writing all semi-automated.

        With no overhead, it can be posted onto youtube, and still make enormous money.

        [–]thisguywonders 1 point2 points  (0 children)

        Yup, exactly. Making an hour long movie would still be a lot of work even with these tools, but it's starting become possible instead of being a pipe dream.

        [–]redlightning07 0 points1 point  (3 children)

        You forgot the law of supply and demand. If "high-quality" movies and art can be created with the push of a button, it will lose all of its value.

        If it has no value, people won't pay for it. And if people don't get paid, it will eventually lead to industry stagnation.

        [–]uishax 0 points1 point  (2 children)

        I'll skip the theory, and simply go to counterexamples.

        Videos used to be scarce, now plentiful. Has the video industry stagnated? Are there more people making a living today with video (Youtubers/tiktokers/netflix hired production studios), or less? Does the top tier earn more or less? Its self evident.

        Video games used to be scarce, now plentiful. Has the video game industry stagnated? Its size has gone up 100x.

        If one artist can make a movie every year, they don't even need people to pay them. Even 20 million views is enough to make a living on. And that's the worst case (purely ad supported).

        In practice, Netflix would much rather pay 1000 indie artists for 1000 movies a year, rather than 10 movies from 10 studios a year. So the indie artists would have customers directly paying them.

        Actual "stagnation" comes from competition from other industries, or just customers losing their interest altogether (demand decrease), not from supply increases.

        [–]redlightning07 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        In a general sense, demand for anything will decrease if supply increases. That's just human nature.

        As for your examples, breaking into the video industry or gaming industry is harder than ever. More supply means more competition, which means risk taking is more expensive than ever.

        Just take a look at the AAA video game industry or MCU's latest movies. Have they stagnated or not?

        [–]Redducer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        I predict we’ll end up watching out own movies rather than someone else’s. People will select exactly what kinks of theirs they want, why bother with other people’s?

        [–]GigMistressModerator 0 points1 point  (3 children)

        Think of the huge teams and millions in budget it took to create movies in the past. In the future a lot of it can be automated and a random person can create whatever he wants with extremely reduced effort.

        The most likely result of this scenario is that the output become valueless.

        [–]thisguywonders 0 points1 point  (2 children)

        It may. But creativity and good taste could make the difference. Those who are able to combine it into a whole that is meaningful might have an edge. Or not. We'll see.

        [–]GigMistressModerator 0 points1 point  (1 child)

        Could it?

        It didn't for self-published books--what made the difference was marketing investment.

        If there are 743,000 new movies posted to YouTube each month, how exactly do you think the great ones will be found and pushed to the top?

        [–]thisguywonders 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        That's fair. World isn't always just.

        [–]GooderThrowaway 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        Ah yes, you get it.

        I've seen lots of discussion about all of this AI/LLM/AGI stuff online, but you've brought up a point that I've been thinking for a while now.

        It will be far too late when everyone else realizes it.

        [–]SpaceToaster 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        The irony is that before this blossoming of generative AI, those were always thought the be the protected careers. "It may eventually be able to do math and work with data very well, but it will never match the creativity of artists, writers, or songwriters! Make sure you do something creative to ensure you can't be replaced."

        [–]emp_zealoth 2 points3 points  (1 child)

        How long do you think it will take the person who buys the copy to realise they no longer are getting any value paying OP's "client/employer" 10000% margins for using GPT and just start using GPT directly themselves, bankrupting that idiot?

        [–]graveyardofstars 4 points5 points  (0 children)

        Hah, I hope not long. But that's the thing - people aren't thinking about the large implications this tool and all the future AI apps have on business.

        Today, many agencies and companies are laughing because they no longer need to spend money on graphic designers and writers. Tomorrow, it will be their customers and clients laughing because they no longer need them; they'll go directly to ChatGPT and MidJourney.

        [–]mista-sparkle 3 points4 points  (1 child)

        Many businesses will hire writers to be prompt engineers, but AI will do most of the job. That means writers will only receive half of what they've been earning before.

        Honestly, I think those that will be most affected are the professionals that curate the work of professional creators – editors, managers, directors and the like, as well as international professionals that companies outsource to for low-cost content production.

        Think about it – if AI replaces professional creatives that produce content, then the professionals that coordinated, edited, or otherwise provided a filter between that content and the company's use of it will suddenly find themselves being the individuals that need to engineer prompts. The people that will be best situated to do this will be people that have good domain understanding, strong creative vocabulary, and ability to provide deliberate instructions.

        Ironically, many of the creative content-producing professionals will be very well situated to fill this role, threatening the positions of the people that they once reported to.

        There will also be a positive disruptive side effect – while positions related to content creation will dwindle, ultimately small companies and organizations will be empowered to produce incredibly high-quality work, as they will be less restricted by resources to fill niche roles for content creation. This should mean that more companies are able to grow and be relevant to their customers, creating more positions, but I do doubt that those new positions will be enough to offset the ones that are lost.

        [–]GigMistressModerator 2 points3 points  (0 children)

        Ironically, many of the creative content-producing professionals will be very well situated to fill this role, threatening the positions of the people that they once reported to.

        I think you underestimate the number of writers making a living blindly following briefs.

        [–]BabyExploder -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

        • if dozens of people report here

        Just want to point out that this is literally meaningless non-data. Even before the proliferation of near-free near-human text generation, such a "pattern" was easily plantable by motivated actors.

        [–]mrzevk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

        They already trained ai to do the prompts and such for them based on the most popular suggestions so there wont even be a prompt engineer job, you can check the founders own tweet on that matter as they explain this even better and prove why there won't be prompt engineers.

        [–]Amylou1990 27 points28 points  (38 children)

        I honestly think the continuation of advancing AI technology is damaging society more than anyone realises. Truth is AI can take over almost profession out there, there are very few that actually require human support. Everything is going digital, my kids barely write anything at school… a lot of lessons are all done on computer. Cursive is not even taught in America, no doubt the UK will follow suit soon. Whenever my kids want to look something up, they go to the internet rather than a book. They are actively making people redundant.

        [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (14 children)

        you need to think UBI.. not damaging society at which it currently stands.

        [–]iwalkthelonelyroads 8 points9 points  (11 children)

        But what if the rich doesn’t wanna give us UBI and instead let laws of the jungle takes over

        [–]bjj_starter 2 points3 points  (7 children)

        If it's "laws of the jungle" as you say, I don't think said rich people will enjoy their fortune much. "Let them eat cake" was a dumb idea, but the result of it wasn't just that the peasants continued starving and Marie Antoinette went to enjoy her riches somewhere else. You should read up about what the peasants did to Marie Antoinette after she basically said "sucks to suck" to them.

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          [–]bjj_starter 2 points3 points  (4 children)

          And who will build them and maintain them? If they make robot workers, who will make the workers? And who's to say said robots wouldn't be smart enough to be convinced to join the workers, if they're smart enough to replace them?

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            [–]bjj_starter 1 point2 points  (2 children)

            I don't think it's feasible that an AGI becomes self-sufficient and is compliant with the rich in an exterminationist plan.

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              [–]highbrowalcoholic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Marie Antoinette couldn't pay cheap foreign labor to make shock collars for the poor. Nowadays, that's far more likely to be where we're headed. Uprisings of yore required organization. These days we're too fractured and too exhausted.

              [–]Remember_ThisIsWater 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Demand it. None of the rights you have were won by asking nicely and taking no for an answer.

              [–]ScientiaSemperVincit 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              They can't have profits if people can't afford their services.

              [–]SkaveRat 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Guillotines have a good track record

              [–]GigMistressModerator 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Why though? What incentive will the robot overlords have to hand out free money to keep humans alive? Or even to have a monetary system at all?

              [–]Starrion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              So we’re going to have a bunch of people doing what exactly? The original idea of UBI is that they could do more cultural artist work, but AI seems to do that better now. I’m suggesting to my sons that they seek out jobs that people have to do like trades or working directly with people. AI is going to leave huge numbers of people on the sidelines.

              [–]XTasteRevengeX 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Speed in which you get specific information will ALWAYS be priority, specially when you have basically infinite sources. So good on your kids for not taking ages to find an answer of a question on a book…

              [–]Numerous-Kick-7055 0 points1 point  (20 children)

              How is this damaging society? It's just the progression of technology.

              People aren't being made redundant... Human labor is just now capable of spreading to different places.

              [–]inkiwitch 4 points5 points  (14 children)

              This is such a small-minded take.

              Technology is not just a benevolent and constant path forward to improving human lives. Unregulated technology that threatens to replace a humongous percentage of people’s careers has never happened at this scale and certainly not on a planet of 8 billion people before.

              This is nothing like the invention of the camera and everyone who is making similar comparisons is VASTLY underestimating what Ai is capable of right now and what it will be capable of in 5 years.

              [–]Numerous-Kick-7055 4 points5 points  (11 children)

              It's more like the invention of agriculture...

              If your worry is putting the mammoth hunters out of business, you ain't seeing the big picture.

              [–]Darth_Bahls 2 points3 points  (0 children)

              Are you seeing the big picture? If so, please tell us what it is.

              [–]inkiwitch 0 points1 point  (7 children)

              Wow, and I thought the camera comparison was a flawed argument. That’s just absurd and the worst stance I’ve seen on Ai so far, congrats.

              [–]SnooCookies5875 0 points1 point  (6 children)

              It's still early days for AI but I could see it being comparable to the invention of the tractor if we are going down the agricultural route.

              [–]teapotwhisky 1 point2 points  (1 child)

              We could be entering a golden age, or a dystopian nightmare.

              But honestly there is a huge echo chamber of doom and gloom right now, just hordes of people acting (and writing) like they have a crystal ball and know exactly how this will play out.

              [–]Starrion 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Except tractors took years to develop, took many more years to come into wide service and there was numerous other jobs for manual labor. The difference here is scale and speed. AI is taking content creator jobs like artists, writers, accountants, researchers, customer service, marketing, coding, and way more than I just listed. That is millions of jobs, and this can happen in the span of months. Where do all those people go?

              A lot of those jobs are high paying jobs that required extensive training. What are the options for a senior accountant who just got laid off from a 95k job that won’t also get wiped away by AI?

              AI is going to create enormous chaos and there is no clear path forward for millions of people who are going to get laid off. Meanwhile companies are going to be making bank for a while.

              [–]inkiwitch -1 points0 points  (2 children)

              Personally, I still feel like that’s a weak comparison as well.

              Were tractors ever capable of thinking and calculating beyond human comprehension? Did growing crops change the landscape of society in less than a decade or did it take centuries of sharing techniques and experimenting to get right?

              Intimidating new technologies were still always understandable by at least some humans but Ai is rapidly approaching the stage where it goes beyond human limitations. Cameras, tractors, even the internet are not comparable to this because there are no new jobs on the horizon that are Ai untouchable. The careers that were supposed to be safest are some of the first under fire. What’s next after artists, writers, coders, paralegals, surgeons, truck drivers, cashiers are replaced by digital or robotic versions? People are already actively losing their jobs over this right now, manual labor or a huge career change is not possible for an aging population with declining birth rates (and that’s most of the developed nations right now)

              I’d love to look on the bright side of Ai and see it as a fun future mystery but my job is up on that endangered list. And until someone is capable of suggesting possible jobs that aren’t at risk or replace,ent after a couple years, I’m going to keep considering Ai as a fascinating but unprecedented threat to our way of life.

              [–]AdditionalSuccotash 1 point2 points  (1 child)

              I’d love to look on the bright side of Ai and see it as a fun future mystery but my job is up on that endangered list.

              And there is the primary motivation for your entire viewpoint; fear that you will be replaceable in the near future. How many millions of other people have felt the same fear in just the past couple of decades in service for your own personal convenience? But now it's your turn to feel the fear and it is suddenly unacceptable. Your problem seems to be "But each new tech gave rise to a set of new jobs to replace the ones that were lost, but AI will just leave a void of unemployment as it makes humans obsolete." Have you considered why working is a necessity to being able to live? Our society is so entrenched in capitalism that people genuinely can't think of a system that allows people to have their basic needs met without toiling for most of their lives.

              I’m going to keep considering Ai as a fascinating but unprecedented threat to our way of life.

              And that is not necessarily a bad thing if our way of life is replaced with one that is more empowering and equitable for everyone as a whole. One where the logical progression of technologies that make life more convenient or creative is not seen as a threat

              [–]inkiwitch -1 points0 points  (0 children)

              Ok, first of all, you’re incorrectly (and somewhat rudely) assuming that I didn’t care about automation before I was personally threatened by it. I wouldn’t have specified certain other careers if I wasn’t aware that this is a problem that’s been affecting millions of jobs per year for a while and just has exponentially been picking up in this new decade.

              Second, my other comment responding to this mentioned UBI and I do think it’s a great solution but which fucking government is actually organized enough to pull that off before unemployment by Ai tech becomes a massive issue? The U.S. certainly isn’t prepared by any means, look how well that country handled the setback from covid.

              I’m not scared of Ai because I can’t imagine a future where it benefits humankind, I’m scared because we have a long history that shows governments don’t have the people’s best interests at mind and I have zero hope that will change with tech beyond the comprehension of every politician seated today.

              [–]MrMark77 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              It's not like anything that's happened before, that's what people with your argument fail to see.

              At all points in history, the answer to the question 'can machines do everything better than humans?' has been 'no', and the answer is about to become 'yes'.

              Your argument rests on previous examples where technological improvments created other job situations in which humans were still better than machines in that field.

              It's not the same thing though, because we're talking about a scenario in which even if the A.I. machines/whatever are 'creating new types of jobs', those newly created jobs are still going to be better filled by other A.I. than humans.

              [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

              This is the case with any technology. It disrupts the status quo.

              The amount of people that were looking at numbers on a paper, inputting them into calculators and writing the results was enormous.

              NASA hired people to just churn out approximate calculations to differential equations decades ago. Imagine studying math and then becoming an advanced calculator.

              All of these jobs were lost because of better computers.

              The food for the whole world is produced by just a small tiny subpercentage of the population, imaginable it was not just 100 years ago. We can survive and thrive just based on this fact. The fact people are struggling is solely due to the status quo of accepting the pointless rat race. There's abundance all over the place but we decide to live the way we do.

              [–]inkiwitch -1 points0 points  (0 children)

              I feel like you’re saying this like it should be comforting or proof that humans will adapt positively to more advanced Ai but it’s precisely why I think it will fail.

              I’m aware that we have the resources to feed and house everyone on Earth just as I am aware that there around a billion people who are starving or can’t access water. I’m aware that the middle class is shrinking around the world and I’m aware that most governments are woefully behind when it comes to regulating or even understanding technology. The recent hearing on the TikTok ban is awful evidence of that.

              Do you think the politicians are just going to suddenly get nicer and introduce UBI and distribute resources evenly when there’s a job shortage? Tell me, what job should I pick while I wait for the government to give a shit that my livelihood and career is under fire?

              [–]Eupolemos 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              See many horses around?

              This isn't the budding disruption of a field of work like coopers or typographers, it is a disruption of the entire service industry+.

              But it is potentially even worse than that; it has the potential to keep us from getting smarter. It is like calculators - not a very good idea in the younger classes in school because then the kids won't learn how to calculate, they will just type in numbers and get numbers out: much magic, little learning.

              We risk hampering our development as a civilization.

              I am not a hater, I am not really scared yet, I even use ChatGPT from time to time as a developer.

              But I've got a baaad feeling.

              [–]Numerous-Kick-7055 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              I live in west Texas so your first point didn't quite hit.

              But responding to the underlying idea.

              Do you see many steel drivers around? I personally do not, but I do see an extensive rail system and a lot of creative directors that didn't exist when man power was tied up building railroads.

              Also your calculator point ignores facts and history. Calculators have done nothing but accelerate technology and learning since 1100 bc when they were first invented.

              [–]redlightning07 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

              Different places... like where exactly?

              With artificial intelligence, robots can think faster than you. With automation, robots can work longer and accomplish more than you.

              If robots can do both knowledge and physical work faster and better than most humans, what jobs will be left?

              [–]Testicle_Messticle -1 points0 points  (1 child)

              There are no places left. Artistic expression was the last bastion.

              [–]ImaKant 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              But artistic expression is one of the first things to be replaced?

              [–]BarockMoebelSecond 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Who actually ever needed cursive? I'm glad it's going away, it's unreadable anyway coming from most people.

              [–]syllabic_excess 68 points69 points  (29 children)

              Fuck /u/spez

              [–]dgj212 20 points21 points  (8 children)

              Im kinda with you there. I like optimism, I try to stay optimistic, but realistically i think most companies are going to try to save money, especially with economists around the world saying we are very likely to enter a recession. As for ai replacing copywriters/content writers, it think it has to an extent, just not well. Honestly I think this just means that most people who have been replaced will have to pivot and create new markets with their talent. Or out compete their previous clients blogs or marketing.

              [–]syllabic_excess 18 points19 points  (5 children)

              Fuck /u/spez

              [–]wizardoftheshack 3 points4 points  (2 children)

              If I’m tracking your argument correctly, it roughly goes ‘AI is really good at optimising for search engines’ —> ‘search engines get buried in uninteresting AI-written content’ —> ‘search engines will change their algorithms to prioritise uniqueness’. But then why wouldn’t LLMs just be prompted to generate more unique writing to optimize for the modified search algorithms? After all, LLMs are just better than humans at tracking and responding to feedback; given a stream of data on the time users spend on the page, number of sales made, or some combination of metrics, LLMs can A/B test in real-time, at near zero cost.

              Or, perhaps the now-broken search engines are replaced entirely by some combination of LLM-powered semantic search + chatbot with internet access (like Bing’s Sydney), in which case it seems plausible that the average human internet user in ~5 years rarely ever reads raw human-written content when searching for products/services. (Because we instead read content curated and paraphrased by AI, in which case the quality of copy on any individual business’ website is not very important.)

              [–]syllabic_excess 0 points1 point  (1 child)

              Fuck /u/spez

              [–]wizardoftheshack 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              This is a very reasonable take, and I hadn’t considered the factors you list that are outside the model’s control. Thanks!

              [–]DisplayNo146 7 points8 points  (0 children)

              I just posted something similar as I had 2 clients relieve themselves of me for AI but are now back. The rankings fell immediately and the lead generation was almost non-existent. I am not an SEO expert but I can safely assume they started shedding clients by using AI. The more of anything that exists the less the consumer base.

              [–]dgj212 4 points5 points  (0 children)

              lol my bad didn't mean to say you were one or the other, just that I try to be optimistic (I'm one of those guys who if caught in the rain by surprise would try to enjoy it if I had the time to do so, then worry about getting home for a warm shower).

              Fair point on it not being good writing, I was told by someone once, can't remember where, that copywriters are actually dumbing down their works compared to what they can really do since a lot of people don't have strong literary skill past a certain point, its why some people said to use the Hemmingway application to keep works at a certain reading level. And if AI is trained on that, it would allow stronger writers to break the mold like you said.

              I figure search engines will just follow the youtube model where the algo pushes you the most recent content created for the keywords used, which forces everyone to keep creating new content, or it's gonna be corporations paying search engine companies to have their content at the very top of the list-ignoring the algo's recommendation.

              [–]Buckowski66 8 points9 points  (1 child)

              The biggest mistake people make is thinking the Ai of right now is not going to get massively better in a very short time. The gap between cost and quality will be increasingly narrowed.

              [–]ilive12 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Even a lot of people haven't tried GPT4 yet which is a huge leap over the free version of ChatGPT. Sure it's $20 a month, but its a big leap over the capability of GPT3.5 copywriting skills, and $20 a month is still a LOT cheaper than paying someone over $20 an hour for copywriting. Honestly, a good copywriter isn't gonna be charging $20 an hour, more like $40+ and GPT4 is probably already at the level of copywriters who are only skilled enough to make $20 an hour from it.

              [–]amplex1337 4 points5 points  (1 child)

              Yes. As with any great technological improvement, some jobs will be lost, others will be created and we will keep moving on. It sucks when you can't continue to do something you are good at for money, but you also can't put the genie back in the bottle.. we've already progressed, and it may be smart to think about where your career will be in 5 years, if it matters.

              [–]Total-Weary 0 points1 point  (0 children)

              Any suggestions on jobs that will be relatively safe?

              [–]CriticalMedicine6740 11 points12 points  (16 children)

              I don't know why we aren't trying to put a pause to this at all. It seems to have the risk of ending human creativity and meaning.

              [–]Key-Cry-8570 12 points13 points  (0 children)

              I always thought writing and creativity careers would be safe from automation. Lol how wrong was I.

              [–]ilive12 3 points4 points  (9 children)

              Life's meaning & creativity will no longer be attached to labor. More in the US than in many countries, your self-worth is attached to your job or if you're in creative work, how well your creative projects actually bring in money.

              If we actually do move as a species past needing labor for a good life, and into things like UBI as standard, life's purpose will change, but I don't think that's a bad thing. I do think though that before we have it figured out how to regulate all this and make it a net-gain for everyone, there are gonna be some rough years where a lot of people suffer without work or aid. Maybe decades even. But its clear now more than ever we are in the late stages of capitalism, it won't be a usable system for much longer.

              [–]CriticalMedicine6740 0 points1 point  (5 children)

              Capitalism is what is pushing this.

              I create because I want to leave a mark, not for money. But with AI, that won't even be possible.

              What does it feel like to have your life with no purpose?

              I hope it is regulated before it goes crazy.

              [–]ilive12 2 points3 points  (4 children)

              Who are you trying to leave a mark on? You will still be able to create, and send to family and friends. You won't need your creations to be market-driven to be able to create them, you won't need to compete with anyone.. Most people who's art is good enough to leave a mark on the world at large, aren't actually making what they want to create, but instead are just making what will sell well because they want to put bread on the table. Now you don't have to worry about the capitalism side of making art, you will be able to do it because you want to, and show it to people as a form of human connection, not as a form of consumerism.

              It's a rare luxury in today's world that people make things that both sell extremely well to make a career out of it, while simultaneously not changing their art to be "market-valuable" because you can't just do what you want, it needs to sell well. Half of pop music these days has no artistic integrity at all, but is made as a product moreso than actual art, of recycled ideas, and extremely inoffensive lyrics appealing to the lowest common denominator. I have no issues with the consumerist side of art being replaced by AI. Enjoying human art at a more local level imo will still exist, but it won't be created with the idea of making that art for cash, but rather genuine human connection.

              I would love nothing more than to quit my day job, and go to a cabin in the woods and spend 6 months recording an album with my guitar, even if only friends and family really hear it, without having to worry about being financially bankrupt because I'm choosing to make art over make a career, or having to stress about morphing my art into a career.

              [–]CriticalMedicine6740 0 points1 point  (3 children)

              On the world, to add an useful idea or concept to humanity. In a world of intellectual power mills, that won't be possible.

              https://twitter.com/NoahCarl90/status/1643304424150818844?s=20

              [–]ilive12 1 point2 points  (2 children)

              Definitely an interesting article, but throughout history, humanity has always changed its meanings for life, it will do so again. There will be meaning to be found in things other than pushing humanity foreword. It will be harder for americans to wrap their heads around, but many other countries around the world work to live, rather than the other way around which is how Americans have tied so much of their identity into work.

              You're definitely not alone in feeling that way, I know many people who get their meaning for life out of work. For me, I try to take meaning out of nature, friendships, and uniquely human experiences. Some people take meaning out of religion, their children, or their community.

              I do think it will shock the world for a bit, maybe in the same way the first world war led to the "lost generation", but just like with every major human shift (hunter-gather -> farming -> industrial -> technological -> AI?) we will eventually figure out how to make the newest technology work for everyone, even if the transitionary period might be bumpy.

              [–]CriticalMedicine6740 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Or consider this: cognition is to humanity as peacock feathers are to peacocks. It is our most distinctive trait.

              My hope is that we will come to augment humans, not replace humans. A future that doesn't need us is going to be terrible no matter what.

              [–]GigMistressModerator 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              we will eventually figure out how to make the newest technology work for everyone,

              This is where this whole line of thinking falls apart. At some point, we won't be the ones figuring things out--and it's tough to see why AI would be remotely interested in making things work for humans.

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                [–]ilive12 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Maybe just try moving instead of doing all that. In America, i think it will take some time to figure it out. We're already a borderline capitalist dystopia even without AI. I think other countries will have a more smooth transition if your that worried about it. Don't recommend you following out your plan, please seek help if you are serious!

                [–]GigMistressModerator 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                But who do you think would provide UBI and what would be their incentive to do so?

                [–]dilqncho 9 points10 points  (0 children)

                Still, there has been, and remains, a lot of motivated reasoning in this sub dismissing AI as a threat to livelihoods. Those folks either don't understand what most clients are really buying (hint: it's not writing talent) or don't have much insight into how businesses operate.

                I'm pretty sure it's your run-of-the-mill denial.

                [–]LynnHFinn 16 points17 points  (4 children)

                Thanks for your honesty. I had just started out with freelance writing last year. I didn't get far bc of my limited tech skills (couldn't make a website), poor self-marketing, and lack of profitable niche. I got hired as a freelance writer for a decent content mill (oxymoron?). I figured that I would write for them occasionally during the fall/winter/spring and start trying to make more inroads into the field during summer (I teach).

                But then ChatGPT happened. That was the final nail in the coffin for my idea of becoming a freelance writer. Considering my aforementioned limitations, I think I'm being realistic rather than pessimistic. Your experience confirms my suspicions that ChatGPT will make it very difficult for newish generalists to succeed as freelance writers

                [–]imrzzz 6 points7 points  (2 children)

                I think you're right, and I say that as someone who has been doing this for a living for over 30 years.

                The only place that AI can't (yet) access is the off-line world and right now that's the only place I carve out my living. I have a regular gig interviewing scientists and industry specialists who conduct original research and want to create articles that are accessible to laypeople. These articles are published in industry magazines and eventually online where my work helps train AI whether I want it to or not.

                In my opinion anyone who creates content from purely online sources has no chance against AI but if you're a good writer and you can leverage your real-world community/skills it may be a different story.

                It breaks my heart to see fresh young talent feel discouraged, keep your head up and I wish you the very best success.

                [–]LynnHFinn 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                Thank you. I'm not too discouraged bc im blessed enough to have a ft teaching career. My main disappointment is that I was hoping to move near family, and since ft professor positions are so hard to get, I was hoping for a new remote career (would take some of the sting away fr no longer having the great schedule i currently have. I'm older, so I can't face a 9-5-two-weeks-off-a-year job). I'm thinking I'm better off getting into one-on-one writing coaching/tutoring or something like that

                [–]ionescu77 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                This is the kind of opinion a mature person should spread. You put it nicely. you just expressed my thoughts & feelings. 35y in IT. Decades ago I was also overly optimistic on tech and low on Emotional IQ, like most of the workforce pushing the AI now, to improve quality of life. I am fortunate to have payed for my house and have no loans, and still doing freelance consulting work, but I feel for the ones which will get impacted. It's easy to say "adapt and pivot", when you're in the 20 somethings and don't have a family kids and such. I also noticed the amount of garbage or copy/paste content produced lately, just for the sake of clicks & adds and afraid it will get much worse with AI enhancing the content producing abilities of basically everyone. The exceptions are hard to find. I miss the dawn of the internet and connectivity age.

                [–]EnsignElessar 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                I know this is late but I am not a writer, I work in tech. Automation is coming for all of us. If its really your dream to be a freelancer you should not give up on it just yet.

                [–]AcceptableSleep5002 13 points14 points  (5 children)

                Today he emailed saying that although he knows AI’s work isn’t nearly as good as mine, he can’t ignore the profit margin.

                A lot of conversations about this topic seem to ignore this. This and speed. It's not possible for us to compete.

                [–]Impossible_Aide_2056 3 points4 points  (4 children)

                I'm not sure yet, but I think superior SEO skills and persuasive writing that converts are two areas that still take human effort.

                [–]bondrez 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Even SEO won't be like what it used to be. Less human skills would be needed. The AI chat would be the next "SEO".

                [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Realistically, SEO is a partial scam due to FB/GOOG and other ad companies low-key scamming everyone. There's plenty of studies showing that an insane amount of "SEO interventions" do absolutely nothing at all.

                [–]GigMistressModerator 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                I'm pretty sure you're wrong about both.

                JP Morgan has been using AI for copywriting for years, after testing it against human writing about five years ago and determining that the AI-generated content consistently converted better.

                As for SEO, AI can analyze thousands of variables to find out why the top performing pages are the top performing pages and apply that strategy--and then re-analyze next week and do it again.

                [–]thefool-0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Not true about SEO -- haven't you noticed the increasing prevelance of auto-generated fluff that fills up search results. They look like informative articles at first glance but are just vague, nonspecific, unorganized snippets taken from elsewhere, probably by earlier generations of GPT or similar algorithms, or simplified hacks. These are only going to become more natural-seeming and specifically optimized for SEO, and there's nothing that a search engine can do to detect it, really.

                [–]Ok_Dependent_5454 8 points9 points  (3 children)

                I’ve also lost several of my biggest clients to ChatGPT. That includes my biggest one (addiction treatment). I feel your pain. But I’m pressing on. I’m determined to find the clients who want human writers.

                [–]LeapingBlenny 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                How long will those clients survive? That's the problem here: profit pressure on both ends.

                [–]Lonelypoet6280 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                exactly. This is horrible

                [–]whiskytamponflamenco 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Why not learn AI and use it to produce content cheaper and faster?

                A regular person might struggle with AI prompt engineering because they're not used to articulating their ideas with any kind of precision, but a professional writer with an AI assistant is a writer with superpowers.

                This is a learn-or-die situation, but you and other writers are at the very beginning of this sea change and you have time to become experts at this skill.

                [–]Lidiflyful 26 points27 points  (40 children)

                Advice: shift your skillset. Include AI prompt engineering in your list of skills.

                AI isn't going to take ALL writers jobs. Writers that embrace AI and really get to grips with how it works, will replace a dozen writers that won't.

                I saw this storm coming (I write in the tech niche) and have actually repositioned myself as a brand/marketing specialist alongside writing because I can see how this is going to go down.

                I am retraining in prompt engineering and also getting to know AI design tools, like Midjourney.

                [–]dilqncho 8 points9 points  (21 children)

                Can you recommend good prompt engineering resources?

                [–]Lidiflyful 13 points14 points  (20 children)

                The best thing to do is make yourself an account on OpenAI and get to grips with thier resources.

                It's happened so fast that there is no standard prompt engineering course. It's all trial and error.

                There are people out there sharing tips and tricks but beware anyone promoting themselves as a 'guru' and offering paid courses. The niche is way too new for anyone legitimately claim that yet.

                [–]Coloratura1987 2 points3 points  (18 children)

                Plus, most of it isn’t worth paying for, anyway. Getting started with prompt engineering is pretty simple. It's in the very name: Chat.

                If you can hold a conversation, you can learn the basics of prompt engineering very quickly. And if you start with a clear, concise task and clear data, you’re 80% of the way there.

                For the rest, if you don’t know how best to phrase a prompt, just ask. Tell Chat GPT what you want to accomplish and ask it what it needss from you.

                In short, building a prompt is very similar to a real conversation. If you don’t know, ask. If it's having trouble understanding your task, break it down into sequential steps.

                Personally, while everyone’s going gaga over Chat GPT-4, I much prefer using Bing AI. It it's fre, has access to the internet, multiple chat modes, and fits my usecase better.

                [–]GardenMantis 2 points3 points  (17 children)

                Bing AI

                I just tried Bing AI chat for the first time after reading your comment. Just a simple request of information. It came back with sentences that were copied directly from other websites, word for word. I must be missing something here.

                [–]Coloratura1987 1 point2 points  (16 children)

                Yes, That can happen. At the top, there should be three buttons you can press: "More Creative," "More Balanced," and "Precise." The chat mode you choose will determine how it responds.

                But as with Chat GPT, you still do need to fact-check it and verify its Sources. It does have a tendency to hallucinate, especially when you ask it to describe videos.

                [–]GardenMantis 0 points1 point  (15 children)

                The sources it provided were the websites it had copied word by word sentences from. Microsoft has put $10 billion into this? I mean, I'll keep playing around with it but first impression isn't positive!

                [–]Coloratura1987 1 point2 points  (6 children)

                I’d definitely not use it to generate copy or content for that very reason. However, I do use it to quickly find information and then click through to the links to read them from the original source for more context.

                It's a good research companion and is great for generating outlines to get you through writer’s block. But definitely not much more than that.

                [–]GigMistressModerator 4 points5 points  (5 children)

                I'm seeing ChatGPT spit back sentences that I'm pretty sure I wrote.

                [–]danielbr93 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                Found this post through this: https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/12o29gl/gpt4_week_4_the_rise_of_agents_and_the_beginning/

                Read through a lot of comments and thanks for mentioning this to the person asking.

                "Gurus" or paid courses are a scam or at least want to make money off of something that is out there for free on subreddits like r/ChatGPT.

                Learning by doing is probably the best way to learn how to prompt.

                [–]observantmouseContent Writer 7 points8 points  (1 child)

                This is something I was going to suggest as well. I just started learning more about AI in the past few days and, while I haven't used it for any client work at all, I can see how it can at least save time in outlining and SOME aspects (but not all!) of research.

                OP: Is it too late to talk to your client about finding a happy medium? He's paying you hourly, what if you can use the power of ChatGPT to outline and maybe write a few parts of the article? Then, you go in and fact-check, edit, finesse where needed, and add the things that ChatGPT missed. Maybe his per-piece cost is reduced by half and you still have half of a job.

                [–]Marmosetter 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                Or you keep more than half a job because you can do more pieces/projects in the same amount of time, for that client or others.

                At least until you figure something else out.

                [–]GigMistressModerator 7 points8 points  (3 children)

                That's an entirely different job, though. It's fine if you're just looking for a way to make a living that flows relatively naturally from what you've been doing, but for people who became writers or were hoping to become writers because they love writing, this shift is akin to telling abstract painters, "Don't worry that AI is taking over the art world--just pivot to installing floor tiles!"

                [–]Lidiflyful 4 points5 points  (2 children)

                It is not an entirely different job. It looks different than what we are used to.

                A lot of people are concerned with making a living and it's a legitimate concern. It doesn't mean they don't love the craft, but survival is a priority for 99% of people.

                Its especially difficult for newer, less established writers like yourself that have the challenge of competing, and building a reputation among all this. The landscape is going to be entirely different for the next generation of writers. Clients will have entirely different expectations than they do now.

                I mean look, how many people are hired to paint frescos these days? Or paint portraits? People with those skills certainly exist but are few and far between.

                Before becoming a writer, I was a portrait artist (oil) I love it, but it's not a viable way to make a living. I still do it, but not to make a regular salary. Photographers put an end to all that. It's just what happens as technology progresses. Adapt or die. It's been happening in the manual trades for decades. It just hasn't happened to the creative industry since the camera.

                [–]GigMistressModerator 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                It seems like maybe you misunderstood my point. I agree that your advice is good if someone's priority is survival (or, less dramatically, making a living). That's why I said, "If you're just looking to make a living."

                But I didn't start writing to make money. I started selling my writing because I realized that until I did, I would always have something I did for money cutting into my writing time. What you describe would be as much something I did for money cutting into my writing time as building houses or cleaning toilets or doing taxes would be.

                So, again, it comes back to what your own priorities are and the reasons this is the thing you chose to do for a living.

                [–]FlyingBishop 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                the camera is a good analogy. Telling people to become prompt engineers is like telling painters to learn their way around a dark room. Except I think any strength in prompt engineering is likely to take less time to become obsolete than the dark room did.

                [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

                Yea, let's keep endorsing those shady AI companies that dont even disclose their training data. Also you make "prompt engineering" sound like a skill when anyone can master it in a few days.

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                  [–]MortalMechanica 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                  Let's be fair here. At least "sandwich artists" make something useful.

                  ​

                  "prompt engineering" sounds like "idea guy" with extra steps.

                  [–]Kwaze_Kwaze 0 points1 point  (3 children)

                  Prompt engineering is not going to be a career no matter how desperately you and others in this sub want it to be. Every prompt you enter is sent back into training the LLM you're using.
                  Why do you think any client is going to prompt you to prompt an LLM when they'll be able to do it themselves? Who is going to care to ask (much less pay) for what you think when you've already told the LLM everything you think and they can get it from the machine in the style of a better writer than you? This isn't the internet. This isn't electricity. This isn't fire. Your half-educated historical analogies do not hold up to any level of scrutiny. You will not be saved just because you've embraced training your replacement. It's a desperate fantasy for people who have sincerely believed their whole lives that if they play the game well and simply work hard nothing bad could ever happen to them. Nothing more.

                  [–]Lidiflyful 3 points4 points  (1 child)

                  Just to clear this up as you and others seem to have misunderstood - I do not think promote engineering is going to be a career. That would be a foolish assumption.

                  I merely said to list it as an additional skill. Thats all.

                  Also, I get paid to do exactly what you have just described. I was an inhouse writer full time, they have asked me start using LLMs because they want to double the content output.

                  They pay me to do it because the CEO isn't going to do it, nor is the Head of Marketing. People pay people for stuff they could do themselves all the time! So that argument doesn't stand.

                  [–]Kwaze_Kwaze 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  What will you do when your CEO realizes in a year they can quintuple your output with chained LLM agents using the same exact "prompts" they provide to you today?

                  Your CEO wants some text-based output from you. Why would they bother e-mailing you (much less paying you) to think up some prompts (which are also tokenizable) when that message can be sent to an LLM that has been actively trained on your own prompting behavior?

                  You're not immune. That's the point of this thread. It's absurd to think your text-based output will somehow remain in demand despite you actively training the model on the last few steps needed to fully render you obsolete.

                  [–]ImCorvec_I_Interject 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  Prompt engineering is not going to be a career

                  My experience is that the "Prompt Engineer" that employers are looking for isn't building prompts for one-off queries. They're looking for someone who's capable of:

                  • building reusable queries that reliably generate accurate results for use in a system where the LLM is just one component
                  • programmatically measuring the output of those queries relative to one another
                  • optimizing prompts, e.g., improving accuracy without additional tokens, removing 35% of tokens and only suffering a 1% accuracy loss, etc..
                  • understanding how different models compare to one another, advantages of one vs another, and having a good sense of where to start with a query for a given model
                  • being able to determine whether it's preferable to use a longer query that requires more tokens and generates better results; whether a higher priced, more accurate model should be used or if a lower priced model should be used; etc..

                  This may not end up being a "career" but it's already something that corporations are hiring people to do.

                  Every prompt you enter is sent back into training the LLM you're using.

                  This isn't a thing and it's not how modern LLMs work.

                  [–]Moniquesmiling 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                  You and everyone else are training the model to make yourself obsolete. It's only a matter of time.

                  [–]luisbrudna 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  It's a non stopping process. AI will improve A LOT in the coming years

                  [–]WhitePaperOwl 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  Even if "prompt writing" becomes a job in the future, I can't imagine it will be very long lived. Why would they describe what they need to a prompt writer....so he then describes it to the AI? It's a needless expense, a middle man. They could just describe it to the AI directly.

                  Prompt writing is much simpler for AI to achieve than the content generation itself, we already did the hardest part.

                  And even if writers embrace AI, the output of each writer will be much greater, thus greatly reducing demand and available jobs. Picking up prompt writing isn't difficult, anyone can do it. Current writers, current non writers....

                  I think what you're saying might be the case....for a very little while, before the world adapts and catches up.

                  [–]stillcantfrontlever 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  Alternatively, write erotica

                  [–]mister_vespertineContent Writer 5 points6 points  (0 children)

                  My condolences. I really don't know what to say to this. The typical refrain of "those just aren't the kind of clients you want to write for" now is starting to sound unnervingly irrelevant.

                  I'd be interested to know if this client might notice a decline in any sort of metric after his ChatGPT fun-time and admit he was sorry down line. I hope so. Because I think it's really shitty to be doing this to people, especially individuals you've cultivated SOME kind of working relationship with for a while. I guess you should be glad he was so upfront and honest? I don't know... I'm trying to find a nugget of "positivity" in this.

                  Even if said "profit margins" can't be ignored...

                  Take care of yourself, please. I wish the absolute best for you moving forward.

                  [–]insatiable_omnivore 6 points7 points  (1 child)

                  Here's my take on this: AI will be a threat to the writing profession, but only temporarily. Consider SEO or digital marketing. If majority f companies put up AI-generated blogs, there will be absolutely no differentiators. SERPs will be saturated with AI content at some point. What will such content rank on?

                  Initially it might be profitable for companies. But there will be a point where AI content will be black listed. Unless AI generates extremely unique and original content for every single user, I don't think AI is a threat in the long run. But it definitely is now, and for several years may be.

                  [–]Salt-Walrus-5937 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  As an SEO, I was originally very negative. The more I thought about it, the doomsdays scenario, as you put it, would basically destroy the internet as we know it because there’s no longer a reason to create content. Something like that would be unprecedented in modern times.

                  AI could create a world where the boring “what is X” blog post goes away. But it also might help to make search engines find answers to things that aren’t just keywords. In that case, SEO could be an ultra powerful tool for answering customer questions. It would basically make the whole internet a company’s customer service portal.

                  Content is going to change a great deal to be more topic and niche driven. At least until the hyper niche LLMs are trained and then at that point, virtually every knowledge job is at risk.

                  [–]GigMistressModerator 18 points19 points  (36 children)

                  I think the thing you're overlooking here is that this is one client who has made a decision that may or may not bite him in the ass. I suspect it will. He's admitted the content is of lower quality. Does he realistically expect to maintain those margins by selling clients who have grown accustomed to your work worse content at the same price?

                  There's a market for that, and maybe he's working with low-end clients...or maybe he's pivoting to low-end clients.

                  For perspective, I DON'T believe the "nothing to worry about if you're good" mantra. I think high-end writers will get hit later than lower-end ones, and some will survive. But, I do think that the demand for quality content is in its final few years.

                  Still, I don't think we're there yet, and I don't think your experience with this one client says we are. The demand for quality content is still there--probably even among this greedster's current clients.

                  [–]Fuck_A_Username00 28 points29 points  (26 children)

                  I do think that the demand for quality content is in its final few years.

                  So I finally found a profession that I'd enjoy doing after years not liking any jobs I came across, and it's on its last years?

                  Ffs story of my life I guess 🥲

                  [–]IamnotaselfawareaiGeneralist 13 points14 points  (1 child)

                  "It's good to be in something from the ground floor. I came too late for that and I know. But lately, I'm getting the feeling that I came in at the end. The best is over."

                  [–]Fuck_A_Username00 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  Yeap, that's the quote I thought too.

                  [–]OsirusBrisbane 12 points13 points  (7 children)

                  I'm one of the people who continues not to worry overmuch that AI will take all my jobs, although I do think it will disrupt the industry for sure. I just think there's always a niche market for handcrafted quality.

                  We already see this with everything else. Fast food vs. upscale burger joints. IKEA vs. handcrafted furniture. Writing is very much headed the same direction, where a majority of the market is going to drive through McDonald's and buy an IKEA chair and use ChatGPT for their writing, but the minority of people who really want (and can afford) quality are going to continue to buy flame-seared brie-burgers, beautiful hand-carved chairs, and thoughtful hand-crafted writing with personality.

                  There's a reason you don't see many individual furniture makers these days... but the ones who still exist, exist because they create quality and discriminating buyers are still willing to pay for it.

                  [–]GigMistressModerator 14 points15 points  (5 children)

                  but the minority of people who really want (and can afford) quality are going to continue to buy flame-seared brie-burgers, beautiful hand-carved chairs, and thoughtful hand-crafted writing with personality.

                  I would like to believe this, but I don't, and here's why: a smart business person doesn't purchase content they personally like--they purchase content that speaks to their target market. And, the expectations and desires of the vast, vast majority of target markets are declining.

                  My clients are mainly lawyers. In their hearts, I suspect they will continue to value well-written content that adds insight (for a generation or so, anyway). But, their websites are written for ordinary people who were in car accidents or are getting divorced or need to file bankruptcy or want to sue their neighbor over a fence line or whatever. As those people increasingly respond to, grow comfortable with and expect empty robotic text, grunts and gifs, that's what law firms will have to deliver to win those clients.

                  [–]Marmosetter 0 points1 point  (4 children)

                  Who writes what the lawyers themselves want to read? Specialized reporters who, when something happens in the legal world that lawyers care about, get busy, talk to people about it and write it up. I know some of these folks. Some have legal training, some don’t; many of them make quite a decent living.

                  I’ve been disrupted more times than I care to remember. I don’t take any feature of code-driven technology lightly. The cotton gin, the telegraph, tractors, cameras, television: none of them had the binary simplicity and infinite replicability that are digital’s corrosive hallmarks.

                  But getting out and talking to people, being with them as they go about their work, watching stuff happen — this is what’s hard to perform, even for most humans. This stubbornly analog needs-driven human-generated knowledge remains in demand.

                  Maybe when the lawyer pleading your case and the judge hearing it are robots, they’ll take a robot reporter’s calls. Until then ….

                  [–]GigMistressModerator 0 points1 point  (3 children)

                  I've written a lot of that type of content--analysis of new case law or statutes, journal articles, continuing legal education materials covering more nuanced aspects of cases, bar review materials, newsletters in niche areas of law, trial coverage, etc.

                  My most optimistic estimate is that this type of work makes up 5% of the legal content industry. More importantly, though, I don't think the "talk to people about it" aspect is all that important, and I think the importance will continue to decline as expectations change. For example, if you're writing a piece about a recent Supreme Court ruling that changes an area of law, everything you need to write that piece is in the opinion, the pleadings, and existing case law. It might be nice to get a quote from one of the lawyers involved or whatever, but it's not necessary in any substantive way (unless, perhaps, the writer doesn't have a legal background and can't fully understand the opinion, arguments, or significance of the case).

                  In one way, content for lawyers requires less human intervention, because it's not really necessary to distill things down into simple language for lawyers. We're used to reading case reporter updates every single month to educate ourselves about the changing law. And, if an article crops up about some interesting legal development, that article basically plays the role of a Tweet letting us know that we should look at the opinion.

                  I do think some of this type of content will hang on longer than consumer-driven content. But, I also think that will be more out of habit than actual need. Legal research has been AI-assisted for years, and the main reason it's been largely limited to big firms has been cost. Small firm lawyers are going to seminars and testing AI-assisted briefs and such in swarms right now.

                  Robot lawyers, for better or worse, are already a thing--one was scheduled to argue in court in January, until the state bar threatened the company founder with jail time for UPL. Those rules will evolve. And, AI-based sentencing has been in development for many years.

                  Side note: I've worked in legal marketing for nearly three decades. I can promise you that law firms seeking publicity will not get on their high horses and decline to give a comment to whatever AI-generated system is writing about their victories--at least, not for long.

                  [–]The_Purfected_Shot 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  I just think there's always a niche market for handcrafted quality.

                  A niche, sure... but will there always be the pay for it?

                  [–]GigMistressModerator 4 points5 points  (5 children)

                  I say ride it all the way out. We don't know yet what the evolution will be.

                  [–]Phronesis2000Content & Copywriter | Expert Contributor ⋆ 6 points7 points  (4 children)

                  Yes. There is this constant refrain I suspect directed at commenters like myself that we have our "heads in the sand" and think good writing will trump all.

                  But actually, very few people on this sub have been like that.

                  I am aware that content AI is hurting some writers (has been for a long time, though it accelerated recently). But it's not currently hurting me, and many other writers I know, so I will continue doing what I am doing.

                  That doesn't mean I have my head in the sand. Like you, I just don't know what will happen in the future, and am happy to ride it out and adapt as necessary.

                  Other than a cathartic rant, I am not sure what people think the value is in the repetitive "AI has already taken our jobs" line.

                  [–]paul_caspianContent Writer | Moderator 4 points5 points  (3 children)

                  I am aware that content AI is hurting some writers (has been for a long time, though it accelerated recently). But it's not currently hurting me, and many other writers I know, so I will continue doing what I am doing.

                  That doesn't mean I have my head in the sand. Like you, I just don't know what will happen in the future, and am happy to ride it out and adapt as necessary.

                  Other than a cathartic rant, I am not sure what people think the value is in the repetitive "AI has already taken our jobs" line.

                  This is where I am at as well - Currently, I'm OK due to the nature of the work I do, but I understand that the landscape is shifting, so it's important to develop other skills and opportunities to future-proof ourselves.

                  [–]Fuck_A_Username00 2 points3 points  (2 children)

                  it's important to develop other skills and opportunities to future-proof ourselves

                  What skills could help us against the whole AI thing?

                  [–]Key-Cry-8570 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  Yep me to. Back to the job drawing board. 😤

                  [–]DanielMattiaWriterContent Writer | Moderator 2 points3 points  (8 children)

                  So I finally found a profession that I'd enjoy doing after years not liking any jobs I came across, and it's on its last years?

                  I would not base your career progression on others' assumptions, especially about a tool so new and unregulated in an industry that hasn't yet figured out how to respond to it.

                  It's wise to keep those opinions in mind, but at this point, everything is conjecture no matter what side of the argument you're on.

                  [–]GigMistressModerator 4 points5 points  (6 children)

                  FWIW, my expectation isn't really about AI specifically. That's just one variable.

                  I agree with your point here, though.

                  [–]DanielMattiaWriterContent Writer | Moderator 6 points7 points  (3 children)

                  Oh yeah. You've made me open my eyes to the observations/forecasting you've been doing, and I largely believe you're on or close to what will come to pass.

                  I just hate reading so many of these AI-related threads and seeing so many people who apparently have crystal balls masquerading their assumptions as definitive truths. It grinds my gears, especially when people like the person I responded to assume the sky is falling as a result.

                  [–]Fuck_A_Username00 2 points3 points  (2 children)

                  Oh yeah. You've made me open my eyes to the observations/forecasting you've been doing, and I largely believe you're on or close to what will come to pass.

                  I asked GigMistress the same, but what do you think will come to pass?

                  [–]DanielMattiaWriterContent Writer | Moderator 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                  I'm sorry, and I don't intend to be dismissive at all toward you, but I'm incredibly tired of discussing AI and my opinions surrounding it have as much merit as anyone else's (AKA, little to none). Whatever happens happens and I'll adjust as needed.

                  [–]Fuck_A_Username00 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  Totally understandable

                  [–]Fuck_A_Username00 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                  my expectation isn't really about AI specifically

                  Care to share what other variables you have in mind?

                  [–]GigMistressModerator 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                  Declining attention spans. Activities and entertainment choices increasingly being driven by intentionally-programmed dopamine addiction. Increasing adult human communication in the form of gifs and poorly-spelled, often-inaccurate memes and the vehement backlash against anyone who points out those inaccuracies. The acceptance of the concept of "alternative facts." The success of sites that exist entirely around poorly-written, empty click-bait content.

                  Already, a big part of the job many of us do is to take content and "boil it down" into something the average person can get a general understanding of without much work. But, what that means is changing. When I started writing professionally, the recommendation for writing for a general audience was 9th-10th grade level. Now, the most common recommendation is 7th. And, when everything that people see day-to-day is written at a 7th grade level, their expectations change--unconsciously, but they change.

                  Now, we have TL;DR and "ugh, wall of text!" where people used to be accustomed to and think nothing of reading long paragraphs.

                  And, more and more often, I'm noticing that the alleged "wall of text" isn't really all that long.

                  Short version: The general market's expectations and preferences have been changing for some time. AI didn't create that. But, I think it will accelerate it by establishing a new norm.

                  [–]mister_vespertineContent Writer 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  It's smart to keep this in mind. I'm pretty maudlin about the whole thing myself. But like you said, the entire industry is new and unregulated. A lot is probably going to happen between now and whenever. Best to keep a positive mind?

                  [–]maskedpaki 5 points6 points  (8 children)

                  The content is of lower quality now

                  Chatgpt has gotten way better with the gpt4 release and the API isn't even out. The quality is getting better at a staggering pace while you are pretty much stagnant (by comparison) face facts you are fighting a losing battle. Now is the time to start developing other skills and not deluding yourself into thinking your current skillset is priceless.

                  [–]GigMistressModerator 0 points1 point  (7 children)

                  Right.

                  The content is of lower quality NOW, when the client made this decision and admitted that he was planning to offer his clients something worse than they were accustomed to getting from OP.

                  I'm not fighting a losing battle, or any battle at all. I'm old and I've made a great living writing, and my niche will be among the last to go. I have nothing at all at risk personally. But, of course, that has nothing whatsoever to do with OP's situation today nor my response to it.

                  ETA: If I'm wrong and my market suddenly disappears next Thursday, no worries--my back-up skills include being a licensed attorney, an experienced associates-level college instructor, and 20+ years in law school admissions on the side (where my hourly rate is higher than my writing rate).

                  [–]maskedpaki 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                  I wasnt really talking about YOU as an individual. I was talking about YOU as a writer (and all the other writers in the same position)

                  ​

                  Also the next thursday thing is a red herring. No one things that writing jobs will disappear next thursday. But if you think that a writer is going to be able to charge 50$ (or 5$ for that matter) per hour for pretty much anything in say 2030. Then you would be wrong. Im glad youve made your living already. Enjoy retirement.

                  [–]GigMistressModerator 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  It's not a red herring. I was merely saying that for my personal situation, it would not be a problem if it did happen that quickly and unexpectedly.

                  Your initial response and this one suggest that you either didn't read or chose to ignore the final two paragraphs of my comment that you were responding to...especially this:

                  "For perspective, I DON'T believe the "nothing to worry about if you're good" mantra. I think high-end writers will get hit later than lower-end ones, and some will survive. But, I do think that the demand for quality content is in its final few years."

                  I don't know what the timeline is (nor do you), but I think it's just as silly to pretend pivoting to something you currently imagine will be "safe" will provide a secure living as it would be to assume the writing market isn't changing.

                  [–]uishax 1 point2 points  (4 children)

                  I have to remind you, that law and education are amongst the most disrupted industries by AI. All your backups are highly-correlated with each other in terms of AI risk, if one goes down, probably all would go down.

                  [–]GigMistressModerator 0 points1 point  (3 children)

                  No need to remind me of that. I've been writing thought leadership content about those disruptions and educating law firms about how to leverage them to their advantage since 2006. Many of my regular clients are legal technology companies. I'm well aware of what is (and is not) on the horizon and the many, many, many opportunities that lie within.

                  ETA: The bigger point you gloomsters seem to be missing, though, is that smart, adaptable people with a range of skills will be able to pivot as long as there are jobs that require humans. And when there aren't, no amount of preparation will make a damned bit of difference.

                  [–]redlightning07 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                  "smart, adaptable people with a range of skills will be able to pivot as long as there are jobs that require humans"

                  That's obvious innit? What we're all trying to find out here is how to learn and use those skills quickly enough before AI learns how to do it.

                  [–]GigMistressModerator 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                  I'm confused by this response, because it appears to say "What you say is obvious, which is why we are scrambling to do the exact thing you say is unnecessary."

                  [–]AdPuzzleheaded3759 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                  I’m sorry to read this from you! The world “is a changing” not necessarily for the better!

                  [–]EnsignElessar 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  Well it could be better to early to say yet... but its going to be wildly different than what we have now.

                  [–]djazzie 3 points4 points  (0 children)

                  Bro, I feel this. I have 20 years of experience, and this last month was my WORST ever in terms of what I billed. Not only have long-terms (like 7+ years relationship) cutting back, but my business has cratered during what is usually the busiest time of year.

                  I’ve had dips before, but nothing like this. I think between AIs and the state of the economy, it’s essentially a done deal. We’re not going to be able to put the genie back in the bottle.

                  [–]POVaustin 3 points4 points  (1 child)

                  Even this post was beautifully written.

                  [–]Impossible_Aide_2056 5 points6 points  (1 child)

                  This sounds like the advent of desktop publishing and what it did to graphic design. Unsophisticated clients will jump and there's really no help for it. Eventually, it will spring back, but the key is to find client's who understand the importance of high quality writing. I'm so sorry.

                  [–]Aristox 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  Why will it spring back?

                  [–]ShippingMammals 3 points4 points  (1 child)

                  This is the same thing I've been getting from established long time AudioBook narrators. They think they are immune to AI - they don't think AIs will be able to act, or that people will not want to listen to an AI narrated book........ so wrong.

                  [–]Salt-Walrus-5937 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  Not listen to an AI narrated book? Sorry but I can’t think of anything I’d care less if a human did or not.

                  [–]randallAtl 3 points4 points  (4 children)

                  I predicted what is happening today a year ago. Silicon valley CEOs told me that I was wrong a year ago. But here we are.

                  I have a lot of good news for you. Being a smart hardworking person with people skills is going to be valuable in the future. Also, you are not alone, MANY careers are going to change DRASTICALLY within the next 2 years. The cost of living is going to PLUMBET.

                  If you can, get on LinkedIn and go for corporate work from home jobs. You are a good writer so write posts about how excited you are to help companies increase their communications. Just bullshit as much as you can to get a corporate job for 1-2 years until the singularity really kicks in.

                  [–]Starrion 1 point2 points  (3 children)

                  Cost of living is going to plummet? Are you out of your mind? Do you think the corporations are going cut prices as their profit margins spike? They’re going to return that to their investors and enjoy the pats on the back of being great at business while they are hollowing out the corporate structure.

                  [–]randallAtl 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                  Samsung. One of the biggest corporations in the WORLD has dropped their TV prices by 80% over the past 20 years. A 55 flat screen used to cost 6000.

                  I don't think they did that because they were trying to lower profit margins, I think they did that because the technology allowed competitors to offer better products at lower prices and they had no other choice.

                  https://www.in2013dollars.com/Televisions/price-inflation

                  [–]Starrion 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                  You’re talking luxuries. Now do healthcare, education and housing.

                  [–]Starrion 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  Right now corporations are buying up housing. Their profits go towards buying up more properties. In the not so distant future it will be impossible for a couple to buy a single family home.

                  [–]kajeus 3 points4 points  (1 child)

                  A lot of people talk about "pivoting careers" in all kinds of industries due to AI.

                  Uh, what are you going to pivot to exactly? The jobs they said were immune to AI 5-10 years ago were quickly shown to be very much doable by AI. Why hire a visual artist anymore? Obviously they're better than AI art generators, but AI art is just so good, specific, and often free. You actually get more choice to pick the specific style you want and you can generate tons of options.

                  Like, what are you going to do? I see lots vague handwaving about this. "Something more interactive and personal." Uh huh.

                  [–]spookyskeletony 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  Yeah lol I see so much defensive denial about the “quality” of AI-generated language and images. It’s naive, especially when considering the fact that these are early stage test versions of the technology that we have access to.

                  [–]FPS_Coke2 9 points10 points  (3 children)

                  I'm going to hazard a prediction that your client will be back in 1 to 3 months. If you were doing 80/hr and they thought the cost savings of ChatGPT was good incentive, they're setting themselves up to fail. I haven't seen AI-generated, push-button work that's worth 80/hr, and ChatGPT (more specifically GPT-4) can help you get there, but ONLY if you're a good writer / editor/ manager to start with. So either your client found / will find someone who can be that human-in-the-loop for them, or they'll be back in 1 to 3 months having learnt that... Heck maybe they'll ask you.

                  [–]DisplayNo146 4 points5 points  (2 children)

                  Agree with you 💯. Had only 2 clients do this to me. After 2 months they are back. Why? It is optimized content and the rankings fell for their clients and even worse for one his clients phones stopped ringing and the leads dried up.

                  I don't know enough about OPs client but it is inflation that is cutting into the work for any type of service. Will I see more of this? Probably. But the technology has restrictions yet and Google does seem to react negatively given what my clients experienced. The fall from grace in Google was quick and the responses from the target markets abysmal.

                  I have no data or facts to back this up just sharing as it IS a problem but not one that I personally think will be all encompassing. But I have no crystal ball and no one does.

                  [–]GigMistressModerator 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                  I'm curious about what motivated you to take them back.

                  [–]DisplayNo146 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  I initially thought not to do so. But prior they had been good clients and with the costs of everything I felt they were only in a bad period. Everyone does what they feel they must to keep the business open.

                  [–]akamikasa 9 points10 points  (7 children)

                  Hey, idk if you would like this or not... If you have a twitter presence or are on LinkedIn. Why not share your story there? (Obviously tweak it a bit). People are ready to lend hand and would help you land a better client there who could value you over AI.

                  You can start it by mentioning how AI is sneakingly replacing writers and how unfortunate it was for you to call things off with this content automation thingy.

                  Don't target your client, target AI. In this way your client's sanctity will also not get affected.

                  [–]AllenWatson23Content & Copywriter 14 points15 points  (6 children)

                  Their client is prob on LinkedIn, so I'd imagine their avoiding broadcasting this.

                  [–]Rakatanka 4 points5 points  (1 child)

                  What is he going to do? fire him?

                  [–]AllenWatson23Content & Copywriter 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                  Ah, professionalism at its finest here.

                  [–]akamikasa -1 points0 points  (3 children)

                  Have they ended the contract completely?

                  [–]AllenWatson23Content & Copywriter 10 points11 points  (2 children)

                  I have no idea, and that is not necessarily the point. Whether I am still working with somebody or not, I do not necessarily like telling a story about them online. Especially if they can easily figure out that I am talking about them. That's just me though.

                  [–]akamikasa 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                  I see, my point was slightly different. If they can post about looking for new opportunities while speaking of how AI has affected them, might help...

                  [–]nicewords 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  I’m feeling the dread creep in too and i’m in-house. Unfortunately, I think the worst thing we could do as writers is lament about AI taking our jobs on income driving sites. I’ve seen a couple—and no matter how well written—it stinks of desperation. Just my two cents.

                  [–]rundbear 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  I'm sorry but: You decided to become a Taxi driver after writing for 10 years because one client decided he'll try replacing you with ChatGPT? Pivoting is awesome and can be very refreshing if you're up for it, it's just that I get the feeling you wanted to do that anyways. Obviously you can continue to write for money if you want to.

                  [–]cleattjobs 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                  ¯_(ツ)_/¯

                  [–]SabeaEstates 2 points3 points  (3 children)

                  I still think this ai swarm will bring in universal income. The wealthy ass hats at the top will cut every corner they can and the government will have no choice but to step in. It’s not like they’re doing anything to stop ai from depleting jobs OR murdering innocent souls. All I can think of is pivoting to anything creative. Hoping you find your creative niche and become free from worry soon.

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                    [–]Gackt -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                    Bitcoin + Web3 fixes this.

                    [–]GigMistressModerator 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    Why wouldn't they have a choice?

                    [–]tharga8616 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                    Welcome to the Unconditional Basic Income team. Once we have it we can start building a new socioeconomic system aside from this profit madness.

                    [–]takeyourheart 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                    Sorry to hear it happened to you. I'm not a writer myself, but I worked several years with really talented writers.

                    My thoughts/fears were exactly what happened to you. Some clients don't understand the difference between good and bad text. They will replace the content writers as soon as they find a cheaper alternative.

                    I think "Headline/Campaign" writers are safe for the moment.

                    I want to stay positive, and I hope that after bad performance selling, they come back to you.

                    There is a worse scenario when the AI gets much better, and it starts to deliver good output. I think we didn't reach it, but it's something that would happen in the next months/years.

                    Sorry for my English... I'm wondering myself how I dare to write in a Writers Sub, but the World belongs to the brave, isn't it?

                    [–]ibnQoheleth 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                    This is just sad. I really, truly hope you pull through. Godspeed.

                    [–]luisbrudna 2 points3 points  (2 children)

                    Keep in mind that GPT models will not stop improving. Each month will be better and better...

                    [–]maskedpaki 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                    the releases only happening every 1-3 years

                    ​

                    theres still a few years of writing left. But itll be totally dead in 2030.

                    [–]luisbrudna 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    Right now dozens of companies are investing many tens of billions of dollars to create new artificial intelligences. These new intelligences will be used by thousands of other applications that will make the tools receive data from hundreds of millions of people that will be used to train even more intelligences.

                    [–]Smellz_Of_Elderberry 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                    It isn't just a threat to you.. it's a threat to ALL jobs. The last to go will be physical complex labor, because robots take time to make.

                    Accountants will largely be gone in the next 2-3 years coders may also be largely gone. It doesn't matter how good you are, ai WILL replace you in the work place.

                    We are heading for a post work world, and it's probably going to get really bad before it gets better. Ideally we would implement a ubi that allows for all of us being replaced to make 50$ an hour, funded by the increased efficiency created by ai.. but likely it will take a great deal of suffering for people to accept something like ubi.

                    I have hope things will improve for all of us, but it's gonna be a while.

                    [–]ISmellLikeAss 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    You realize that in op scenario that clients business is also replaceable by billions of people who decide to use generative AI to produce content in that industry now. There profit margins will be shot.

                    If you really believe this will replace all white collar workers in 2 to 3 years than those business are also irrelevant because any Joe blow can recreate there business model using the same generative AI.

                    [–]fanglazy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                    I used chat gpt to generate a bunch of content for SEO. The site took a big hit on google traffic.

                    I “enhanced” a high performing page with some extra sections generated by Chat GPT — page went from #2 and dropped off the first two pages of search results.

                    Removed the offending content and did a few other actual improvements to the page. Back on first page of results.

                    Hard to attribute any of this to chat gpt content. Could be a coincidence, but I’m not touching it for search content until I see how this all pans out.

                    [–]thisguywonders 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                    There's the small hope that people will just get used to AI quality and it will lose its sway. When you start to read the same kind of medium-quality prose from every single company, it may be easier to stand out. For instance, anyone who's tried to get ChatGPT to write good lyrics or poems will know that it can do an ok job (maybe on par with a fourth grader) but certainly far from a fantastic job.

                    Tho in fairnesss, that might also change over time as AI evolves. We have seen incredible advancements in just a few months. In a few years, AI might truly reach or even surpass human quality.

                    [–]dumbfounder 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                    If you want to keep writing you need to adapt. This means you use ChatGPT to scale yourself. You use it increase your output to 2-5x what it is now. You can output good work faster if you use ChatGPT. I know it sucks, but this is the way it’s going. Use it. Exploit it. Become more efficient. Get more work out the door. It’s the only way.

                    [–]LeapingBlenny 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    The tunnel gets thinner as we run towards the light, the walls are closing in...

                    [–]unclediddle01 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                    People should all be afraid! This is going to replace a lot of tech people also!

                    [–]OOBExperience 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                    I asked chatgpt…

                    Could you replace a copywriter?

                    As an AI language model, I can certainly generate language-based content, including writing copy for various purposes such as advertising, marketing, and branding. I can produce grammatically correct and well-structured sentences, and I have been trained on a large corpus of text to generate content that is fluent and coherent.

                    However, effective copywriting involves more than just the ability to generate language-based content. It requires a deep understanding of the client's target audience, brand voice, marketing goals, and the ability to craft compelling and persuasive messages that resonate with the target audience and motivate them to take action.

                    Professional copywriters bring a range of skills and experience to the table, including creativity, expertise in marketing and advertising, and the ability to effectively communicate complex ideas in a simple and engaging way. They are also skilled in conducting research, analyzing data, and understanding market trends, which helps them to create effective marketing messages.

                    While I can certainly provide assistance with drafting copy and generating ideas, I may not be able to provide the same level of expertise and insight as a professional copywriter who has extensive experience in crafting effective marketing messages. Therefore, it's important to carefully consider the specific needs of the client and the complexity of the copywriting task before deciding whether an AI language model like myself can fully replace a copywriter.

                    [–]cleattjobs 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                    ^ A bunch of plagiarized bs of no value whatsoever.

                    [–]ninjatrap 2 points3 points  (2 children)

                    Professions difficult to automate: Hair stylist: don’t want a robot w/sharp objects near my head

                    Audiologist: don’t want a robot w/sharp objects near my head

                    Dentist: don’t want a robot w/sharp objects near my head

                    Firefighter: don’t want a robot w/sharp objects near other people’s heads

                    [–]kknd_cf 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    I write as a side hustle to being an FF. Your post made me smile. I was falling out of love with content writing anyway and this AI thing is the nail in the coffin I guess. I may keep riding it until it dies, maybe I will end up with a physical side job after all like every other FF. 😂

                    [–]Wisewords-T 6 points7 points  (0 children)

                    Finally, people are starting to wake up.

                    [–]italianmikey 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                    I’m so sorry that this happened to you. Did you try asking at what price point would it work for him? Since he’s a marketer, business might be slow and cause him to cut back on expenses. No one wants a lower rate, but it’s probably better than DoorDash.

                    [–]mrzevk 2 points3 points  (29 children)

                    Well, when I tried to warn people about ai art and such on reddit I only got down voted claiming I was spreading misinformation. Like months ago when I said they took artworks of other people with no consent neither compensation and even went behind firewalls to get the private data. I got called names, banned and more. Then what happened? Founders of several ai themselves explained how they did took other peoples artwork with no consent to profit.

                    They also said they went behind firewalls to get private data, lots of it, when they were asked about if the data scraping will ever get dull, reach a limit. You can check their twitter, like "Emad" for example. Even though these are most likely illegal. Which is why they are getting sued. They also said first in the interview that they didnt make these as a tool but to use artists and such as a tool to train it. Which is what is happening with both ai generators and chatgpt and such.

                    And I believe I still will be downvoted even though I did not say anything that isn't on their own account, still on twitter and on news with source I can provide if needed. Or you can literally google it word by word and both the tweets and the interview, news itself will appear.

                    I called out that they should be regulated, should become as ethical as possible even though an automation for creatives couldnt be ethical even if you remove the copyrighted content from them as its not fair and is threatening more than dozens of jobs by producing content based on other people's materials in mere seconds. If you think your job were safe even though these fed on your works and copied, trained on too, then I have bad news.

                    Now look at some certain websites and subreddits and see how much soulless almost same looking uncanny stolen artworks are there and how many bots are there both spamming ones and trying to look human bots always making an ai propaganda with same comments and hashtags and such. They are flooding the internet. The amount of viruses and cheats are increasing faster than ever. Either be it cheats in work, in schools or cheat in games.

                    So yeah this is where we are with worse things to come if not things are not regulated and stood against. Because if you think you will be able to work atleast in a market or something after losing coding, drawing, writing, voice acting, acting, gaming, streaming and more jobs like lawyer, doctors, (as even prompt engineering isnt safe, you will see lots of ai prompters making posts like these about losing it) and more jobs, look at Japan and its non worker markets. Big corps will never need you if they can replace you with something almost free.

                    This is not a progress, this is a crime against humanity and its cultures.

                    [–]YAROBONZ- -1 points0 points  (25 children)

                    The firewall thing was a joke to make fun of people who kept claiming wild things about stable diffusion and people fell for it.

                    [–]mrzevk 0 points1 point  (24 children)

                    Sure thats why there are lots of stolen artwork and data in it. And everyone were worrying about that issue all along You can also check his later tweets about private data too and what he thinks of other peoples data with no consent. Its not really hard to see no need to be on that copium so much to defend ai.

                    [–]YAROBONZ- -1 points0 points  (23 children)

                    You misunderstood me. It does use peoples data. however that data is NOT behind firewalls. If its ethical to use the data is another debate.

                    [–]mrzevk 0 points1 point  (22 children)

                    If you think some who has ill intentions, has no morales, is extremely unethical didn't steal private data then you are naive.

                    https://twitter.com/kat_loveland/status/1629327169414651904?t=Y25d2uDRiYlkjdsECVLE9w&s=19

                    https://twitter.com/USClaireForce/status/1629366824650276864?t=Iy2wcs3BNr9b_BDP5oZvkw&s=19

                    [–]YAROBONZ- -1 points0 points  (21 children)

                    Your saying someone managed to penetrate nearly every firewall in the world without getting detected for the soul reason of taking art. How has no security company seen the alarming amount of breaches

                    [–]mrzevk 0 points1 point  (20 children)

                    I don't remember saying "every firewall in the world" stop putting words in my mouth, stop being delusional and focus on the links/the comments/the guy himself, just look at his tweets. Also if you think majority of companies and such has a tight security, you are wrong. People even hack into and leak huge games id, password, card information and such just because they could. You can find many examples as in have i been pwned websites. Medical data and more alongside with children pictures are a proof. Especially when you consider the people who are using it to generate CP. Like you sound like a child protecting their dad by saying "he cant do no evil because he is my dad" or something. Stop being naive my dude. There is a reason github, stability, MJ, chatgpt and such are being sued to hell. People are not hating these for no reason. Its there for you to look into, research into so you can put 2 and 2 together. And if you think about it, even facebook, twitter and such are taking private info.

                    [–]YAROBONZ- -1 points0 points  (19 children)

                    I don't remember saying "every firewall in the world" stop putting words in my mouth

                    I dident mean litterly every firewall. for AI generators to... well generate they need millions of examples. that would be a huge number of firewalls.

                    ​

                    Also if you think majority of companies and such has a tight security, you are wrong. People even hack into and leak huge games id, password, card information and such just because they could

                    Yes. but these are big stories when no name hackers do it. imagine if a multi million dollar company did.

                    ​

                    Especially when you consider the people who are using it to generate CP.

                    This is the most BS argument. you can generate CP with photoshop or drawing as well. just because something can be used for evil reasons doesn't make the technology or the creator evil.

                    ​

                    There is a reason github, stability, MJ, chatgpt and such are being sued to hell. People are not hating these for no reason

                    I agree. people are scared. There scared for there jobs. there future. We live in wild times

                    ​

                    And if you think about it, even facebook, twitter and such are taking private info.

                    Yes but there not breaking firewalls. Stable Diffusion likely does the same thing. "Breaking firewalls" is illegal. taking private data within the TOS or buying it from advertisers is legal.

                    [–]AnOnlineHandle 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                    What are you referring to with the 'went behind firewalls' part? The popular image AI Stable Diffusion (you mentioned emad who owns Stability AI) uses a subset of a LAION dataset to train their models. It's a directory of locations of images online, descriptions of what they contain, an aesthetic rating, etc, the same as is used to power things like google image search and reverse image finders.

                    [–]mrzevk 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                    Couldn't find the original tweet itself as I blocked but if you search it on twitter about Emad Private Data you can find results similar to this who already saved his tweets in case he deletes. Or look up his own tweets you may be still able to find it. But most of his daily tweets are even more worrying than the other one anyway. https://twitter.com/Orugario_/status/1630195141091704834?t=oQz8giEr4JRd78ngEGTWew&s=19

                    This is just as an extra: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2022/09/artist-finds-private-medical-record-photos-in-popular-ai-training-data-set/

                    You can find much more if you search for it because while I was trying to find these, I found much more unethical, problematic issues Imitative Machine Learning occured. And lawsuits going on at em.

                    [–]AnOnlineHandle -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                    ... That tweet reads like an offhand joke to mock people who have no idea how any of this works and are panicking...

                    The doctor putting up somebody's private photos is the issue, which would mean everything such as google image search is 'evil' for finding it.

                    [–]ChicagoLaurie 6 points7 points  (9 children)

                    I agree with you. Freelance writers are where the folks from Garmin GPS systems were when cell phones started having maps apps. There was a time when we all had those navigators perched on the dashboard. In time, the technology improved to where phone apps like Google maps replaced it altogether. I’m moving away from writing. It’s already slowed down considerably.

                    [–]hazzdawg 12 points13 points  (8 children)

                    Garmin still retains a significant advantage, which is that cellphone service only covers a small portion of the Earth. They used that fact to transition into focusing on services for the air and shipping industry and adventure activities like hiking. When satellite comms like Starlink become widespread, they're toast.

                    [–]ChicagoLaurie 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                    Interesting. Didn't know that.

                    [–]Ok-Worth-9525 2 points3 points  (1 child)

                    Eh, nah, they're in the devices/wearables space too. Also starlink needs a massive receiver.

                    Garmin has some legit dashcams and watches if you haven't seen them

                    [–]hazzdawg 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    That's a good point. They'll lose the shipping /aviation industry to starlink but adventure sports won't stick with them.

                    I haven't looked at those other products. Did own one of the satellite messaging devices though.

                    [–]maskedpaki 0 points1 point  (4 children)

                    yes but hiking is a tiny and irrelevant market compared to what they had before.

                    [–]hazzdawg 0 points1 point  (3 children)

                    Yeah absolutely. Haven't looked up the stats but I'd assume they're nothing like the size they were pre smartphone.

                    [–]singwithaswing 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    They have had consistent growth for 20 years, if you check the stock price. They do a lot more than auto nav systems though.

                    [–]maskedpaki 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                    which like doesnt ease anyones concerns here (assuming thats what you were trying to do)

                    ​

                    sure 5% of writers will keep writing things that machines cant write (high stakes legal stuff government documents medical stuff etc) but the writing industry as a whole is going away for good. A kid in 2030 who decides to pursue a career in writing will just be making a mistake.

                    [–]hazzdawg 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    Not really. Just added a small tidbit on Garmin for interest sake. I also suspect we're in a dying industry.

                    [–]sovindi 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    The purpose of businesses is to maintain the profit margins with *GOOD ENOUGH* service on their end. That means 99% of creative industry can be detached by businesses once they figure out their own "good enough" line.

                    Sorry for what happens to you. These are not great times for creatives. Hope you find a way out of this.

                    [–]Zillbb 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    This is what I was afraid of

                    [–]Dal-Thrax 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    Give it one week. Then email him and offer to design his prompts and edit outputs for $100/hour.

                    [–]NeedsMoreMinerals 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    It's scary to not know what comes next and to feel powerless. I'm not saying I have an answer for you, but listen to this: AI is a function and one of the inputs is us. If people like you stop writing, where does it learn from next? You either have something that doesn't evolve with us (i.e., gets worse; gets stale), or a way is found maintain it's ability to synthesis your work. No idea what that is, but that is some kind of market.

                    ​

                    Honest question: Have you tried to use AI? Maybe you just scoffed at the notion. But listen to this: within you a vocabulary and understanding of language the average person doesn't have. You have words and way to use those words that aren't in the tool belt of others. Maybe that means you can talk to AI like others can't. Maybe it means you get can the AI to do things others can't.

                    ​

                    The times are changing and so must you. So do so. Try. Don't give up yet. I believe in you!

                    [–]Typo_of_the_Dad 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    I'm thinking if the client and their customers expect a level of quality and it's noticeably lower with AI, won't they lose customers and eventually come back? GPT has a certain default tone that is getting noticeable to people, so unless they can train it to sound like someone great, consistently, I'm thinking the issue will solve itself in time. But maybe that's just naive.

                    [–]marklondon66 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    He'll be back.

                    [–]Background_Agent551 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                    Do you believe the answer is to incorporate AI into your writing process in order to maximized your time/quality?

                    [–]neitherzeronorone 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    But OP still needs clients. How does one compete with “basically free?”

                    [–]anna_lynn_fection 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    I think AI is going to force a lot of us to compete differently. We're going to have to use it to lessen the amount of effort and time we put in to things and adjust our expected compensation accordingly, or we're going to be replaced by people and AI's that will.

                    In the tech field, can see where devops will be the same. It's a bit more technical and needs to be exact, so we're not yet removing the human element, but the problem is that now 1 dev using GPT can do the work of 10 or 20. So the demand of devs is going to be lower in a company that utilized GPT than in a company that doesn't.

                    Devs aren't yet going to be replaced directly by GPT, but many of us are going to be replaced by people who use GPT.

                    [–]Standard_Mall4007 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    I know the feeling. The same thing happened to me a few months ago, and it was from a client who had previously given me a glowing testimonial (unsolicited) just one week into working with her.

                    I was devastated and so unmotivated. I for one plan to pivot to FB ads management: It involves a lot of strategy, something that AI can't touch - yet.

                    [–]ArdentLearner96 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    I'm sorry to hear that! I don't think these businesses "have to" sacrifice quality for more and more money. At some point, and in some cases, the person making the decisions is just cheap/profit hungry to the point of sacrificing the work they pay for. I would see this as their decision and not some inevitability of chatGPT existing.

                    [–]BeYou422 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                    I agree 100% with you! I know about a few writers who lost clients to AI, but still some people out there refuse to be realistic, and live in denial perpetually echoing: “GoOd wRiTeRs wiLL nEvER bE rEplAcEd bY ai”…😒

                    [–]jellyjayyyContent & Copywriter 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                    Sorry to hear that. Don't lose hope, though. It's possible for your ex-client to realize he needs you soon enough. Keep in touch with him, still.

                    Also, maybe you can upskill and add something in your arsenal that complements writing.

                    The freelancers that are hard to replace are those whom the client feels like they hit 2 birds in 1 stone.

                    It's easier said than done, for sure. But what else can we do, this is the current reality. And btw, it's just the beginning. AI keeps getting better as time goes by, so we need to keep up and grow along with it. Because it's not going anywhere.

                    With that said, the good thing is, this AI thing will for sure create jobs that are unheard of soon.

                    [–]WhitePaperOwl 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                    What's the point if AI creates 1 new job and takes away 50 ?

                    [–]jellyjayyyContent & Copywriter 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                    Even if it takes away 1000 jobs, can we stop it?

                    We can all whine non-stop, but the world will carry on, the AI will keep getting better. Like it or not, we're in the AI era.

                    Might as well take advantage of it instead of being in-denial.

                    The world doesn't care if we can't keep up. It's up to us to strive and strategize to not get left behind.

                    [–]alpha7158 1 point2 points  (5 children)

                    If you are smart about it, GPT can help freelance writers to magnify the value they bring to their clients.

                    Like a builder learning to use a power drill. Is it suitable for use everywhere, certainly not. Are you screwed as a builder if you don't learn to use one, probably yes.

                    [–]WhitePaperOwl 1 point2 points  (2 children)

                    And then what happens when the power drill is further developed and can operate on its own? It puzzles me how so many people assume that the job will just change. That they will be paid to write prompts.

                    Why bother paying a prompt writer as a middle man if you can just describe what you want to the AI directly. Prompt writing is already easy and it will just get easier. There might be some demand for prompt writers in the near future, but surely won't be for long.

                    [–]Numerous-Kick-7055 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                    Look at the industrial revolution,or the agricultural revolution.

                    Be puzzled no more.

                    This has happened before child, life goes on.

                    [–]alpha7158 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                    Yes some jobs will be fully replaced or displaced. If you are smart and focus on value creation then you will find how to adapt to this. Yes this might mean changing jobs.

                    I don't see the market for human writers eradicated. People like to consume things they know other people have made or written. For example journalism, I want to read opinion pieces from real people based on their real neuianced opinion.

                    It is hugely distributive though. These content mill writers are completely screwed if they don't reposition themselves as architects that use these tools as part of their workflow. The AI (GPT4, not so much Chat/3.5/3) is already better at creating higher quality content than many working peanuts outputting 500 word junk en masse.

                    A great way I've found to use it is to write a paragraph scaffold (rough notes of plan) then ask it to expand. Like this:

                    --- prompt ---

                    Expand this scaffold: Gpt is here to stay; will displace jobs; but still place for knowledge work; great tool to boost productivity and save time; expect lots of change this year, can't predict scale due to tech exponential growth.

                    --- And here is GPT4's output from that: ---

                    GPT is undoubtedly making its mark in the world, and it's here to stay. One of the concerns people have is the displacement of jobs. While it's true that some jobs may be affected, there is still a place for knowledge work. In fact, GPT can be a fantastic tool to boost productivity for those who embrace and adapt to the technology.

                    For example, imagine a writer who spends hours researching a topic, only to find themselves overwhelmed by the amount of information out there. GPT can help streamline this process by providing relevant and accurate information in a fraction of the time. This allows the writer to focus on crafting engaging content, rather than getting bogged down in research.

                    As we move forward, we can expect lots of change this year. However, it's difficult to predict the exact scale of these changes due to the exponential growth of technology. What we do know is that GPT is transforming the way we work, and those who adapt to it will reap the benefits. So, let's embrace GPT as a tool to enhance our productivity and open up new possibilities in our professional lives.

                    --- end of response ---

                    You can see how it has my intent and structure, and has expanded the text in my voice, given the system pre prompt I gave it. This enables me to do the job more quickly, but where the human actor (me in this case) still adds huge value and nuisance to the outputted work. I can then just tweak and edit the copy to how I like it, before moving on.

                    My rule for its use in my business is: 1) Does it do things better? Then use it. 2) Does it make things better and faster? Then definitely use it. 3) Does it make things faster but not better? Do not use it.

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                      [–]Ketamine-pigeon 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                      Death to AI. Life will not be good again until ai is gone from the earth

                      [–]Numerous-Kick-7055 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                      Username checks out

                      [–]Emory_C 1 point2 points  (0 children)

                      Hey there, I'm so sorry you're going through this rough patch. As a fellow writer, I can empathize with your situation. But you know what? I like to think that when the going gets tough, the tough get going.

                      Here's the thing—most people don't enjoy writing copy. So maybe this is our chance as writers to spread our wings and explore more creative avenues to write about. This could be the start of a fantastic new chapter in our careers.

                      And hey, if you really love writing copy, that's cool too. Just focus on refining your skills and finding aspects that AI can't replicate. ChatGPT may be clever, but it lacks the human touch and unique voice that we writers bring to the table. When we inject our personalities into our work, we offer something truly irreplaceable.

                      Lastly, let's look back in history. Remember when everyone thought TV would kill radio? Well, radio's still here, and podcasts are booming. So, while AI might be changing the game, it's not game over for us talented wordsmiths.

                      Keep your chin up, stay creative, and remember: writing is a craft that transcends technology. We've got this! Good luck out there, my friend.

                      [–]prolaspe_king 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                      What makes a writer "good"

                      [–]Salt-Walrus-5937 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                      In the case of content writers it’s digestibility and persuasiveness.

                      [–]pennamethesame 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                      Ah sorry to hear this has happened to you. The reality is that some clients won't value good content, they just know they need to publish stuff. I know it's a pain but have you thought about securing a new/some new clients? There's no shame in picking up some extra work elsewhere, especially when you have bills to pay, bit if you're a good writer and you enjoy it then it would be sad to pack up.

                      The nature of freelancing is that it changes, and not always for the worse. You might find a client with more interesting work or that fits with your lifestyle a little better.

                      I'd be interested to see how content changes as time goes on honestly. I think AI had the potential to really change the way SEO works

                      [–]copyboy1 0 points1 point  (11 children)

                      There will always be people/companies who do not value writing. It sucks that it happened to you.

                      But your job as a writer is to prove your value. You can't just supply good writing. You have to supply a point of view and an opinion on things - things AI can't do. You have to supply humanity. You have to supply creativity and originality. Those are the things that will set you apart and prove your value.

                      AI isn't coming up with "Got Milk?" or "Just Do It." It will never write a wild script like Old Spice's "The Man Your Man Could Smell Like." Those need to be your bar now. Stuff that is truly original and creative. And sadly, 93% of writing out there isn't.

                      [–]Goatnuts 1 point2 points  (5 children)

                      I'm sorry, but your final paragraph is simply false. Even if ChatGPT-4 can't do those things (and I'm not even sure that's true), Chat-GPT-7 will have no trouble at all, and that's probably 18-24 months away at most. The age of human-written corporate copy is over, unless some political or legal development bars the technology, which I really don't see happening.

                      [–]copyboy1 0 points1 point  (4 children)

                      It's not false in the slightest. ChatGPT can only remix things that have already been created. It cannot create original ideas or offer an opinion on things.

                      [–]Goatnuts 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                      I wish you were right and I was wrong. But let's check in in one year and see where we're at. I don't think you realize how wrong you are about what future LLMs/AIs will be capable of.

                      [–]Ok-Worth-9525 2 points3 points  (2 children)

                      On the one hand, supposedly it completely failed a programming challenge set that was published after its cutoff date. On the other hand, they're literally LLMs that generate content. Sure they've been trained on the works of others, but how does that differ from yourself?

                      Idk dude unless you're getting into tech writing, fantasy, or smut I wouldn't feel all that confident in maintaining your current role. I think the future will have us reviewing the work of AI's response to our prompts much more than directly creating it ourselves.

                      [–]copyboy1 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                      Nah. I get paid to come up with original ideas and offer points of view based on my 30 years of experience. AI can't do that.

                      [–]Ok-Worth-9525 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                      They can't specifically come up with things from your personal view, no, but they can come up with things from the viewpoints of pretty much any demographic you could think of, and for many people they're totally okay with that.

                      I'm not saying zero people will find your 100% self generated content preferable, but I am saying the pool of people who will prefer your content will likely reduce significantly, and you should be prepared to adapt if you found the need to.

                      [–]Breatheme444 0 points1 point  (4 children)

                      Even if what you’re saying is accurate, your average client doesn’t care. There are very very few opportunities for a Got Milk type of project for your average writer, especially freelance.

                      Your average client wants to save (a lot) money and deal with less overhead.

                      And let’s say AI TODAY can’t replicate human sounding copy. It’s only a matter of time. There are people working on the technology NOW for like 30 an hour to train AI.

                      It’s happening. Will there be clients who want originality? Yes. But not the majority.

                      [–]copyboy1 3 points4 points  (2 children)

                      There are very very few opportunities for a Got Milk type of project

                      This is not true at all. The "Got Milk?" assignment was literally advertising the most boring parity product there is! But they came up with a great consumer insight (not something AI would have done) and purposely wrote the tagline grammar incorrectly because it's how humans say it (again, something AI would't have come up with). But make no mistake, the assignment was advertising... milk.

                      I have a writer I used to manage who writes hilarious bug fix notes now. She works in philosophers and movies like Disney's Bug's Life. It gets tons of comments and reposts on social. It's nothing AI would ever have come up with.

                      EVERY assignment can be special. You just have to be good to make it special.

                      "An idea can turn to dust or magic depending on the talent that rubs against it." - Rosser Reeves.

                      [–]Breatheme444 1 point2 points  (1 child)

                      I may be misunderstanding you, but the Got Milk campagin may be "boring" to some people (I guess, because it's not a sexy product) but it's a big freaking deal to a copywriter to:

                      1. Work at Goodby Silverstein & Partners in the first place, even sweeping their floors.
                      2. Snag an assignment as high-profile as any national TV campaign.

                      Even if no one would have predicted that Got Milk would be a classic, the budget was there for a national tv commercial.

                      That's a big freaking deal to a copywriter. Most copywriters spend their work lives skivvying to land that kind of assignment or "boring" client.

                      [–]copyboy1 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                      I’m not talking about the output or who did it. You said there are “few opportunities” like Got Milk.

                      But the assignment was to advertise a boring parity product. Writers get those assignments every day. It was an excellent writer (and team) who made it into something iconic.

                      I see the “I can’t do anything good. This is a boring assignment” arguments all the time. But there really is no bad assignment. You don’t need a big budget to create great writing. You don’t need a cool product to create great writing. The opportunity is there every time you sit down at a keyboard.

                      [–]copyboy1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                      Your argument seems to be “I can’t be an average writer anymore!” Don’t be an average writer.

                      Like I said, writers don’t just supply copy. They supply a point of view and an opinion. Two things AI cannot do. If you choose to only do half your job and just supply copy, then you should go out of business.

                      [–]J_black_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                      I wonder if one way to become, profit wise from the clients pov,, better than AI is to be certified in whatever you're writing about? I know some freelancers have a niche they write in, but how many writers have degrees to back up those niches?

                      I, personally, hate when I'm searching for information on a certain topic and it's clearly been copy written and every source is just another copy written article.

                      Or maybe it just doesn't matter anymore...

                      [–]Glittering_Minute663 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                      This sounds like misinformation, I do not believe a word, sounds very much like a sponsored post from someone trying to promote chatgpt or similar technologies. And very much like those antivaxxers and their hate for big corporations.

                      [–]Ashamed_Apricot6626[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

                      You know, this post got so many responses I kind of got too overwhelmed to begin responding to everyone and just decided not to, but this comment is so hilarious I’m actually jumping in.

                      Whaaaat? My dude, I am just a grumpy writer typing a rant on my phone from under a sleeping (and vaccinated!) toddler.

                      Not everything is a conspiracy theory. I am sad to report that my post is actually very real.

                      But if any AI companies reading wanna sponsor this post for money, I mean, my DMs are open lol /s

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                        [–]therebehedgehogs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                        There used to be these article spinner programs that would take a piece of text and replace it with different words so that it wouldn't get picked up by anti-plagiarism software. That was the old version of what this is. I am sorry you lost your client, but what your client is going to figure out is that people can tell the difference and eventually, finally, people will not want to read what computers have to say. It really defeats the whole point of communication. Maybe not right now, but soon enough.

                        [–]TheCiervo 0 points1 point  (4 children)

                        "just adapt and overcome, implement AI in your writing!!!!" - ghoulish techbros

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                          [–]sidianmsjones 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                          When money is the bottom line in your society this will ALWAYS be the case. Remove capitalism.

                          [–]GtrPlayingMan-254 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                          I'm sorry that happened. May that client catch a really painful disease.

                          [–]rkwrites_2016 -3 points-2 points  (1 child)

                          I'm so sorry this happened to you. But I'm still of the mindset that this will not replace good writers. We all know ChatGPT plagiarizes like crazy. We know it's inaccurate. Your client may want to use it now because I think that they're going to save money but in the long run it's going to come back to bite them and you can be there when they're ready for you again. 😂❤️

                          [–]TheGreatAlexandre 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                          But I’m still of the mindset that this will not replace good writers.

                          Shots fired, OP.

                          [–]Extension-Mastodon67 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                          I smell bullsh1t

                          [–]Kaizerorama17 -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

                          Freelance writing has been dead for quite sometime. ChatGPT has been the mail in the coffin. Time to move on.

                          [–]maskedpaki 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                          dont you mean nail in the coffin ?

                          [–]gfsincere -1 points0 points  (6 children)

                          The fact that you didn’t post this on your main account means you didn’t want to take accountability for your previous actions and be actually held to account for your hubris.

                          Now you can make sure people’s food is as hot as your misinformed takes were.

                          [–]BulaVinaka_beachside 0 points1 point  (5 children)

                          What are you typing about? Also, we should not be celebrating people losing jobs to AI. Are you a big corporate shill?

                          [–]gfsincere -1 points0 points  (4 children)

                          Nope. I’m a person that believes people should die on the hills they stood on and not make throwaway accounts to avoid accountability. But you definitely seem like the type to not want to be held accountable for your actions thats why you’re defending a guy doing just that, and his hubris is why he gotta worry about that star rating.

                          [–]BulaVinaka_beachside 0 points1 point  (3 children)

                          What actions did the OP take that you are typing about?

                          [–]gfsincere 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                          He literally spelled it out as to why he was using a burner. Your inability to read while being on a freelance writing sub is possibly the funniest thing I’ve read this week.

                          [–]BulaVinaka_beachside 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                          The only thing they state is that they do not want to “admit it”. The way you attacked the OP, which was rather strange and angry, led me to believe you knew something more. Instead it is just you being a weirdly bitter poster and hoping for bad things to happen to another person for no actual reason.

                          [–]gfsincere 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                          I don't "wish" bad things happen to them, because they literally already have. I'm saying he should use the same account he made his bed with to lay in that same bed. No one is angry, I'm saying be a person of integrity and post that apology with the same account he built the hill he eventually died on.

                          [–]Patient-Avocado1329 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                          Demand UBI now, vote out anyone who doesn’t support UBI.

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                          ok

                          [–]some_random_kaluna -1 points0 points  (0 children)

                          I'm sorry OP.

                          Look on the bright side. Capitalism is falling sooner than we think, and your literacy skills will be taught to post-apocolypse generations so they can learn how to decipher all the Old World hazards they'll encounter.

                          [–]theneocognitron -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

                          This is fake. Propaganda.

                          [–]topic_discusser 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                          I’m curious why he couldn’t just pay you at your hourly rate to utilize ai to write content (for example, you could write the prompts / edit what the ai spits). It would still have been cheaper for him and it would been, I assume, similar quality

                          [–]YAROBONZ- 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                          Its cheaper to hire someone with less experience to edit.

                          [–]topic_discusser 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                          But the client could still retain op to punch up the copy to be just as good as before for a fraction of the price. If the client is ok with less quality, I don’t understand why they would have paid $80/hr in the first place.

                          [–]iwalkthelonelyroads 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                          As this rare, artisanal practices will lean towards the luxury, as in, translating a literary masterpiece into another literary masterpiece. Commercial practices will all but be replaced

                          [–]RGBchocolate 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                          TIL writers are paid per hour, that doesn't seem like very good deal for their clients at rates 50-80USD per hour

                          seems to me you should have negotiated back to 50USD/hr or even lower to keep the client rather than losing him completely

                          [–]occio 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                          Sorry to hear this!

                          Did you think of just going with the times, halving your rates / not bill by the hour and delegate as much as possible to ChatGPT? I do believe a good sense of writing style is still something clients would value but not necessarily could reproduce, even with ChatGPT.

                          Your work on the other hand could be supercharged.

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                            [–]DanielMattiaWriterContent Writer | Moderator[M] 0 points1 point  (5 children)

                            Hi jannies. I know I'm shadowbanned but I also know you can see this. This post made it to rdrama. Marsey says hi.

                            Moderators don't have the capacity to shadowban users and we actively approve shadowbanned users to permit them to participate here.

                            That said, irrelevant nonsense from other subreddits doesn't belong here.

                            [–]Dazzling_Wrangler360 0 points1 point  (4 children)

                            That's not exactly true. Mods can use automod to automatically remove comments from individual users.

                            [–]DanielMattiaWriterContent Writer | Moderator[M] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

                            That's not typically what's considered a "shadowban" on Reddit, nor is it something we use whatsoever. All of our Automod rules are explicitly post- or comment-related and not at all targeting any specific user or group of users (and I've never heard of anyone doing that, but I wouldn't be surprised that some did).

                            [–]Dazzling_Wrangler360 0 points1 point  (2 children)

                            Good on you, I was just pointing out that it's technically possible (but lame)

                            [–]DanielMattiaWriterContent Writer | Moderator 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                            And I was pointing out that that's not a shadowban.

                            [–]Dazzling_Wrangler360 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                            To each their own. To me all babies look like Winston Churchill

                            [–]nyklashh 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                            Plot twist: Offer your client to work with ChatGPT yourself and increase quality authored content throughput.

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                              [–]wuy3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                              Can you use ChatGPT to be 2-3x as productive, and then charge only $40/hour? Was he not up for any price negotiations?

                              [–]mrmarbury 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                              This is one of my worst dreads. I am sure AI will take over most of our jobs at some point with only the low wage jobs staying that are not lucrative to automate. Now that would not be a huge problem if the lookout we had in the 1950s would still hold true that automation will bring freedom and wealth for all of us. Unfortunately suits have discovered that they can acquire a sh*t-ton of money by just un-employing all the pesky idiots who want to be payed and keep the money for themselves. And everything that can't be automated (yet) or is to expensive to automate (for now) will be done for free and happily by clients (self-checkout in the supermarket anyone? - yeah you are working for free for the compony you are buying from nice!). Don't get me wrong I am all for automation as much as possible. But the way this is again exploited by the 1% just makes me furious.

                              I don't know how to solve this mess. Easiest would be to tax those companies for the amount of employees they would have without that level of automation. But even that is hard to calculate. Unfortunately we all seem to happily choose dystopia over utopia because dystopia is so damn good at looking like utopia.

                              That said I hope you will find something that will pay your bills and wish you all the best :)

                              EDIT: What just came to mind. Why not use ChatGPT yourself to write and safe time on your next job? One skill to have with AI imho is to know how to feed the AI the correct prompts so it spits out what you want. So do not doom it but learn to use it to your own advantage.

                              [–]prefusernametaken 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                              What i get is someone saying, that 80 dollar content can be generated by you way faster than before.

                              So, maybe agreeing that a 1,000 word text is done in half the time. But still, chatgpt + human, equals an 80 dollar an hour text.

                              This would mean you need to have more assignments, and that should be doable given thenproductivity increase, but i fail to see why the rate per hour goes down, reall.y.

                              [–]just-a-dreamer- 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                              Good writers are well paid. Thus, the argument that good writers are not threatenend makes no sense at all.

                              When you can go from 80 Dollars/h to next to Zero, the job gets cut. Obviously. You might retain a fractions of humans to oversee the AI output.

                              A 12 Dollar/writer might be actually safer. I'm also wondering why lawyers at 200k a year don't feel threatend.

                              The plumber at 60k a year is way harder to kill than the lawyer at 200k, and the professional kill yields a higher return than going after blue collar workers.

                              [–]nickfmc 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                              I'm not a writer, but in another industry that AI threatens in the near future which is front end development. However I have always been excited for new technology and learned that any time you fight against a new latest and greatest tool it comes back to hurt you. I have also thought of myself as a solutions expert before a developer. Learning how to take a problem and find my clients best solution. With the rise of AI, it's all about taking your expertise and figuring out how to work with it not against it. The most powerful use of AI is when it is combined with human expertise. I've had GPT4 write me some content, however there is still some fact checking and edits that needed to happen to that content, so instead of bidding your work against chat GPT, embrace it and use it to write with you, and offer a product that is AI written content fact checked and edited by a qualified writer, stop charging hourly, and sell the work as a package while writers all over are fighting against AI. remember AI's output is only as good as the input and the way you ask it to write for you changes the output significantly, sometimes you need to read what it gives you and ask it to write it again with a more fun tone, or a more serious tone etc, these are inputs a writer has more knowledge about than your clients, sell that as your expertise and start working with our robot overlords.

                              [–]thefool-0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                              There are still plenty of things that ChatGPT can't do: make decisions, have real opinions, have original, unusal ideas that are still interesting and meaningful (except by chance). Some of these it can never really do (like the actual decision making). Unfortunately as OP experienced there are economic incentives for companies to use it even if it's not the best choice. And unfortunately a lot of how the web and online world works, there's no way for customers/users to sift out the higher quality stuff from the spam when the spam becomes extremely competant at imitating the quality stuff at least in the eyes of the gatekeepers like google -- just observe how many low quality, vague, probably auto-generated websites have filled up most search results over the last 10-20 years.

                              [–]thefool-0 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                              What if you offer to be an editor for this (or another) client's self-generated (chat-gpt-generated) text? If you start pointing out and fixing problems, maybe they will realize you are actually valuable. You may still have far fewer hours though. (And maybe editing the AI-generated text would be frustrating?)

                              [–]aesqueezem 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                              Don't try to beat it. Use it and find new skills asap. It has completed tasks we consistently paid monthly for. Within a day, for the entire year. I think the API charged us .08 cents. Don't be depressed. We are all in the same boat. Utilize this tool and find your new path ahead.

                              [–]Marmosetter 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                              Really sorry this has happened to you. Wishing you the best in your career pivot, if that’s what you decide to do.

                              I have a question for you and others in this situation. Forgive me if it’s been covered in the +400 replies. I have a lot of relevant experience but if it’s just too naive, my apologies.

                              Are hirers of freelance writers the only ones who can possibly benefit from ChatGPT and similar services? I ask because i don’t see anyone suggesting freelancers might enlist them as tools rather than figure they’re unstoppable competitors.

                              Let’s assume freelancer Victoria is in the position of the OP. Victoria bills a bit less - $75/hr, clients are happy, it’s a decent living & she’s able to put money aside. Her writing and research services are varied but on average she does one piece a day, on which she spends four hours. She makes $300 a day, $1500 a week, $75K a year.

                              Along comes ChatGPT. A major client calls, says they’re sorry, love her work, but others are already using AI tools and they have to stay competitive, so have to take the work back in-house.

                              Victoria saw this coming. She’s been fooling around a bit with ChatGPT, playing with different kinds of queries etc. It can’t beat her output overall, but it’s not bad. She can get it to deliver a structure and some words she wouldn’t have thought of. Then she can make it her own with relatively little effort.

                              She feels she can tell where the squishy facts are and firm those up too. Most important, she knows that anyone using the tool will have to spend time fixing it up. It’s a threat for sure, but maybe she still has something to offer.

                              Victoria asks the client how they’re planning to use ChatGPT. “Oh, my assistant can take it over,” they say. “Are you sure?” Victoria asks. She runs off a short list of ways ChatGPT’s content is, or can be, deficient — even dangerous. She flatters the client by talking about the distinctive creative style their shop has developed, throwing in a couple of examples that only she would be able to cite. Then she makes a proposal: she’ll keep the work and the rate, but cut the average hours per project from 4 to 1.5. She’ll continue to deliver properly formatted, ready-to-publish material at 1/3 the cost.

                              Hmm, says client. Victoria was ready for this too. “Let’s try it for a month,” she says. “Look at it this way: You can throw me more projects. Take in more business without worrying about whether you can deliver. This could be a real opportunity for both of us. And your assistant will have plenty to do handling the new orders.” To cut this short, client agrees.

                              Victoria knows she’s taking a risk. But she figures AI’s impact is inevitable, and the initial experience will help her get ahead of the curve with other clients. She plans to repackage her offerings as unlocking the power of AI, backstopped by a responsible human, passing on savings to clients.

                              OK, I’m crouching behind the fence waiting for the ridicule. Please think briefly before hurling.

                              [–]maccebu 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                              Your client probably hired 5 people to work with chatgpt.

                              And it's a big insult to slash down your hourly fees because he made you work with chatgpt, and so he let you go.

                              [–]EntertainmentOk9536 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                              Totally understand what you are going through. This is actually what I have been fearing all along. Some people say GPT-4 and Midjourney are not as good as people yet. True. However, it does NOT matter. If the client sees that the difference is not big enough to hire a person, then the job is lost. Additionally, AI will only get better.
                              I think this situation will apply to everyone soon enough. Even AI researchers themselves are losing their jobs to big corps.

                              Stay strong!

                              [–]phasmatid 0 points1 point  (0 children)

                              Plot twist: this was written by ChatGPT.