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[–]TracingWoodgrainsFirst, do no harm[S] 29 points30 points  (2 children)

Not a lot of people are checking comment threads a week or more after posting, so I want to signal-boost /u/latias876's comments on the prior sections of this review (notably on language), providing another Singaporean perspective.

Also, for /u/Lazar_Taxon and anyone else who was interested: Here's the relevant excerpt on the Speak Mandarin campaign I promised to provide last time.

After the Nanyang and Singapore University joint campus solution in 1978, I decided the time was right to encourage our Chinese to use Mandarin instead of dialects. It would make it easier for students to master English and Mandarin in school if they spoke Mandarin at home and were not burdened by dialects. I launched a "speak Mandarin" campaign for a month every year.

To emphasize the importance of Mandarin, I stopped making speeches in Hokkien. We stopped all dialect programs on television and radio, but for the older generation, we still broadcast the news in dialects. ... Dialects are the real mother tongues for the older generation.

It was difficult to change the language habits of Chinese families that interfered with the learning of Mandarin. Until the 1970s, about 80 percent still spoke dialect at home. Young workers interviewed on television were not fluent in Mandarin because they reverted to dialect at home and in their workplace. I used my standing with the people to persuade them to make the switch. They knew that my three children had mastered Mandarin, English, and Malay and respected my views on how to educate children. ...The switch was especially difficult for grandparents, but most managed speaking to their grandchildren in dialect and understanding their replies in Mandarin. Without this active promotion of Mandarin, our bilingual policy would have failed for Chinese students. Mandarin-speaking families increased from 26 percent in 1980 to over 60 percent in 1990, and are still increasing. ...

The opening of China brought a decisive change in the attitudes of Chinese to learning Mandarin. Professionals and supervisors who knew both English and Mandarin commanded a premium: There were no more grumbles about speaking Mandarin and not dialects. We had made the right decision in 1965 at independence to teach Mandarin as a second language. The seven different major south Chinese dialects spoken in Singapore made it easier to persuade all to convert to Mandarin. Had we been like Hong Kong with 95 percent speaking Cantonese, it would have been difficult if not impossible. For many Chinese Singaporeans, dialect is the real mother tongue and Mandarin a stepmother tongue. However, in another two generations, Mandarin can become their mother tongue.

[–]Latias876 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Ahh yes, this is very true. This makes taking care of the elderly in Singapore difficult for younger generations as they're typically not as fluent in their dialect. Or if they're like my older sister who can understand her dialect but struggles in speaking it.

Dialect is still somewhat present in our culture, however. For example, I mostly call my relatives by their titles in Hainanese, not Chinese. I think the only one I ever called in Chinese are my grandmothers (both my grandparents passed away when I was very little so I have no memory of whether I called their titles in Chinese or Hainanese).

Also, thanks for the signal boost!

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Hey, I just wanted to let you know how much I appreciate these posts. Your reviews are insightful and interesting to read, and broadened my meager knowledge of Singapore's politics. Thank you for the great effort you put in!

[–]Mexatt 29 points30 points  (0 children)

The way LKY describes his approach to politics and how his party retained power for so long sounds like nothing so much as old school urban machine politics. You bring up Chicago, but this is how most US cities worked in the 19th century and into the 20th, with a single party dominating local politics by maintaining close ties to local civil society institutions and providing services on a semi-official basis to every interest or ethnic group that would take them. This also sounds even more similar when you think about the role played by an ethnically and religiously diverse population that intermingles only as part of a rapidly developing economy.

The similarities are downright eerie; or, they would be if they didn't make so much sense: Maybe this is just a really good way to run a rapidly developing urban center with a very diverse population. LKY may be singly less corrupt than your average US machine politician of the late 19th century, but everything else seems to be just about the same.

[–]MakeTotalDestr0i 17 points18 points  (2 children)

If the US had a political party with principles similar to LKY's, I would join.

It would be more interesting to me if the USA granted full autonomy to Cities or Counties within, to become their own City-states. Let 25 US cities become experiment zones. Some will fail, some will succeed , some will become attractors for certain types of people. I imagine a Silicon Valley city-state would be much different than an Omaha city-state.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (1 child)

The future of government is nuclear armed city states 3d printed out of local materials powered by embedded fusion reactors and ruled by super intelligent ai

[–]MakeTotalDestr0i 14 points15 points  (0 children)

imagine the sports team rivalries

[–]barkappara 14 points15 points  (0 children)

LKY rather proudly mentions one election where they promised priority public housing upgrades for constituencies that voted more strongly for the PAP, then follows it up with one of those lines that could only come from him:

This was criticized by American liberals as unfair, as if pork barrel politics did not exist elsewhere.

To a first approximation, this is not how pork worked in the US. The paradigmatic example is representatives directing federal spending to their districts. Although the money would flow directly to certain interests best positioned to receive it (like construction contractors and their employees), it was not explicitly apportioned within the district on a partisan basis, and there seems to be little evidence that lawmakers tried to direct the spending towards their electoral bases rather than their districts as a whole. Elected lawmakers from both parties scratched each other's backs, creating a bias in favor of incumbents (and against both primary-election and general-election challengers). If there was a bias in where the money went, it was towards swing districts, rather than to reward loyalists.

In fact, some commentators have argued that Boehner's ban on earmarks unintentionally contributed to hyperpartisanship and gridlock, by making it harder for lawmakers to justify legislative compromises to their constituents and amplifying the significance of ideological divisions during elections.

What Lee seems to be describing is the use of the public purse to buy votes for his party. This was arguably a feature of American machine politics at its worst, but it was a norm violation.

[–]t3tsuboIANYL 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Huge props to you for this series of essays/book summaries. Thanks for the quality content.

[–]deep-end 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Again, this is one of the most interesting original essays I've read on reddit. Thank you

[–]IlforteWar is intellect. 8 points9 points  (0 children)

even while LKY lays out his fight against communism, you hear fascinating hints of respect in his descriptions of them.

Two hunters have set up a trap, but the beast has successfully avoided it. A good hunter is unhappy, but impressed: what a smart beast, truly a challenging opponent. It seems I'll have to improve on my tactics! A bad hunter is outraged: stupid damn animal, couldn't even get caught, stubborn cowardly vile thing! Curse it and all its descendants!

I've read such a story once. It struck me how rare the first behavior is in partisan discussions and how ubiquitous the other. Say, Hitler preferred to explain his failure in Russia with "stupid stubborn mongoloid resistance" rather than honor, resilience or whatever else he's have reserved for his own side. It seems that since the beginning of modern warfare sentiments of respect towards the capable enemy have rapidly disappeared from military lexicon, apparently at the same pace aristocracy waned. In peace-time politics, respect is almost non-existent, to the point of being inconceivable for some. A petty example: did he mean to make u sound so badass tho / they never do (he likely did).

People like LKY, the good hunters, are incredibly rare in my experience. I wonder what sets them apart.

[–]Forty-Bot 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yes, there are very strict limits on how much a candidate can spend on election campaigns. These limits exist to ensure a level-playing field between the different political parties contesting the elections.

The amount that can be spent depends on the number of registered voters in each electoral division. The current limit is S$4.00 per registered voter.

Can we get this in the US please?

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Did LKY discuss succession? I understand his eldest son is the current PM of Singapore. Did LKY groom his son to succeed him, or was the son pushed to power by the party in order to trade on his name?

[–]TracingWoodgrainsFirst, do no harm[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

He does discuss succession, yes--his own and that of other ministers. He emphasizes that the unique challenges of the 1940s and 1950s served as a trial by fire for his higher ministers and himself and it was difficult to replace them, so they started planning replacements and looking as early as the 60s.

His priority with replacement was talent, and he talks about casting as wide a net as he could to look for it. They brought psychologists and psychiatrists on to evaluate potential candidates with personality profiles and IQ tests, looked around for corporations that had solved the succession problem to their liking and emulated their methods, and so forth. It was all a pretty serious process. When he elected to step down, he asked his ministers to select the new prime minister and did not participate himself.

As far as grooming his son, from his telling it was mostly his son's interest shining through. He was a successful mathematician in university, but always had an interest in politics and gave the following quote when electing to return to Singapore and stop his math studies:

It is absolutely necessary that I remain in Singapore, whatever I do, not only because in my special position if I "brain-drained" overseas the effect on Singapore would be disastrously demoralising, but also because Singapore is where I belong and where I want to be.... Further, a mathematician really has little say on what goes on in the world around him, in the way things are going on in the country. .... I would prefer to be doing things and perhaps be cursed by other people than have to curse at someone else and not be able to do any more. (679)

His son was in the Singapore Armed Forces and expressed interest in politics, and LKY encouraged him to run for office. As for grooming for the prime minister position, LKY says this:

Many of my critics thought [his appointment as deputy prime minister] smacked of nepotism, that he was unduly favored because he was my son. On the contrary, as I told the party conference in 1989... it would not be good for Singapore or for [my son] to have him succeed me. He would be seen as having inherited the office from me when he should deserve the position on his own merit. He was still young and it was better that someone else succeed me as prime minister. Then were Loong to make the grade later, it would be clear that he made it on his own merit. (680)

Reading between the lines, it's obvious him being LKY's son helped a great deal, but I don't think LKY worked overtly to help his son gain power. The mythos of his name was most likely the main benefit.

[–]eScottKey 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Very interesting write up. Good job.

[–]ReaperReader 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Thank you for this fascinating write up. Have you read Tony Blair's autobiography? I read it some years ago and was interested too by the way he laid out his ideas.

[–]TracingWoodgrainsFirst, do no harm[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I haven’t. Thanks for the recommendation! I’ll add it to my list.

[–]Artimaeus332 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Thanks for writing this! The one question that was going through my head as I read this is "but does it scale?" This sounds like an excellent handbook for the mayor of a large city, but I don't see what sort of practical lessons State or National political leaders could take from this. For example, how many layers of PAP "middle management" do you think there were between LKY (or a trusted lieutenant) and the venerated community figures who the PAP collaborated closely with? How many more would you need to add if you were to execute this sort of strategy at the state level. I'd also be curious to see LKY's approach to political organization compared and contrasted to what the Democratic and Republican parties do in the United States. Both major political parties attempt to leverage pre-existing social network.

[–]ReaperReader 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree with you, I thought LKY really lacked in detail on how he managed to make institutions work, apart from finding competent senior managers of course.

[–]ArgumentumAdLapidem 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Just wanted to register my sincere gratitude for this essay series.

Like you, I find LKY to be an enigmatic figure that defies labels, and perhaps the closest the modern world has ever come to Plato's philosopher-king.