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Market =3D> Rumor mill =3D> Topic started by:= DealerOfDrugs on July 09, 2013, 02:40 pm

Title: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big maybe.=
Post by: DealerOfDrugs on July 09, 2013, 02:40= pm

http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/ermittler-zerschlagen-internationalen-dr= ogenring-a-910221.html#ref=3Drss

Translated of course.

Quote from: DealerOfDrugs on July 09, 20= 13, 02:40 pm

"Inter= national drug ring: Investigators arrest four suspects

DPA Drug traf= ficking in grand style: envelope with amphetamine The customer ordered on= the Internet, the goods were then sent by mail to: narcotics investigators= have arrested four suspects who should have acted in a big way with drugs.=

Munich - drug trafficking in grand style: Drug investigators of the= Bavarian Office of Criminal Investigation (LKA) have smashed an internatio= nal drug ring. Spokesman According to one authority, investigators arrested= four suspects from the Bavarian town of Deggendorf, Berlin and Brandenburg= .

In those arrested is accordingly to three men and a woman 24-28 ye= ars of age. A 51-year-old Dutch left the officials after his interrogation= again. The gang is said to have operated on a large scale drug trafficking= on the Internet. According to investigators, the suspects had specialized= in the drug trade in the encrypted and inaccessible darknet network. There= fore paid customers with an Internet currency by mail them the drugs were= then sent.

Overall, the investigators searched 12 properties in the= states of Baden-W=C3=BCrttemberg, Berlin, Brandenburg and Bavaria - and fo= und more than 18 kg amphetamine as well as cash, accounts, cars and real es= tate with a total value of around 700,000 euros safely."

Soun= ds Sr related to me. Stay on your toes everyone.

I would also like= to take this moment to remind everyone that if the police are focusing on= SR, they only seem to be after the vendors. Lets not get too comfortable= vendors.=20

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: AbuNazir on July 09, 2013, 03:30 pm

Not much point in focusing on buyers unless they are high volume for re= sale. A lot easier to go after the vendors and then try to go up their supp= ly chain. Stay safe.=20

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: DealerOfDrugs on July 09, 2013, 03:34= pm

Quote from: AbuNazir on July 09,= 2013, 03:30 pm
Not= much point in focusing on buyers unless they are high volume for resale.= A lot easier to go after the vendors and then try to go up their supply ch= ain. Stay safe.

Agreed. I'm surprised that I was the first to= post this news article. Vendors need to keep their ear to the earth for th= e sound of the beast.

Woop, woop, that's the sound of The police. Wo= op, woop, that's the sound of the beast

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: zookaa on July 09, 2013, 03:37 pm

Uh oh... not trying to spread FUD but isn't it a strange coincidence th= at last week the guy Pfandleiher disappeared, and AfterHour hasn't logged= in for 5 days?
And 18kg amphetamine seized... 1+1=3D....?

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: yokes101 on July 09, 2013, 04:55 pm

Quote from: zookaa on July 09,= 2013, 03:37 pm
Uh= oh... not trying to spread FUD but isn't it a strange coincidence that las= t week the guy Pfandleiher disappeared, and AfterHour hasn't logged in for= 5 days?
And 18kg amphetamine seized... 1+1=3D....?

I also= noticed that afterhour hasn't been around in a few days! Usually his listi= ng are only down on weekends.
Please don't let it be him, he/she is a gr= eat vendor! :O

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: jackofspades on July 09, 2013, 05:42= pm

Lets find out where they went wrong and discuss solutions so that noone= else gets busted in the same manner. :)

FUCKLE

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: Jack N Hoff on July 09, 2013, 06:55= pm

Could this be AfterHour? ???=C2=A0 He had kilograms of amphetamine and= he did disappear four days ago...=C2=A0 http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silk= road/user/065073bbcb

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: StExo on July 09, 2013, 07:07 pm

Why to launder your cash - so they don't assume it's gained illegally= :) They can seize the drugs, but if you launder it right as I do with my= clients, then you can prove you earned it legitimately and they can't take= it still ;)

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: BruceCampbell on July 09, 2013, 07:09= pm

Most definitely Afterhour. And considering he got me for 50 grams of MD= MA one time with no reply or reship I could honestly say... meh.

Lo= l.=20

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: Quazee on July 09, 2013, 07:10 pm

yikes, these vendors with huge volume employing others to ship for them= are bound to get busted.=C2=A0 just saying can't trust peeps

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: Jack N Hoff on July 09, 2013, 07:22= pm

Quote from: Quazee on July 09,= 2013, 07:10 pm
yik= es, these vendors with huge volume employing others to ship for them are bo= und to get busted.=C2=A0 just saying can't trust peeps

I empl= oy multiple people in my operations.=C2=A0 It's impossible to distribute at= a certain level all by yourself.=C2=A0 You just have to run a tight ship.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: BruceCampbell on July 09, 2013, 07:33= pm

Quote from: Jack N Hoff on July= 09, 2013, 07:22 pm
Quote from: Quazee on July 09, 2013= , 07:10 pm
yikes,= these vendors with huge volume employing others to ship for them are bound= to get busted.=C2=A0 just saying can't trust peeps

I employ= multiple people in my operations.=C2=A0 It's impossible to distribute at= a certain level all by yourself.=C2=A0 You just have to run a tight ship.<= br>

It sucks but every Walter needs a Jesse or two.=20

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: Jack N Hoff on July 09, 2013, 07:37= pm

Quote from: BruceCampbell on Jul= y 09, 2013, 07:33 pm
Quote from: Jack N Hoff on July 09= , 2013, 07:22 pm
<= div class=3D"quoteheader">
Quote from: Quazee on July 09, 2013,= 07:10 pm
yikes, th= ese vendors with huge volume employing others to ship for them are bound to= get busted.=C2=A0 just saying can't trust peeps

I employ mul= tiple people in my operations.=C2=A0 It's impossible to distribute at a cer= tain level all by yourself.=C2=A0 You just have to run a tight ship.

It sucks but every Walter needs a Jesse or two.

The= last thing Walter needs is a sketchy meth head that brings heat.=C2=A0 Hav= ing a Gale or two would be great though. 8)

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: BruceCampbell on July 09, 2013, 07:53= pm

Gale had to go. You can't fuck a Gale, but you can fuck your Jesse.
=C2=A08)

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: Lorimer on July 09, 2013, 08:45 pm

More here:

welt.de/regionales/muenchen/article117869257/Fahnder-= zerschlagen-Bitcoin-Drogenring-DarkNet.html

and here:

kleinez= eitung.at/nachrichten/chronik/3352090/globaler-drogenring-zerschlagen.story=

It's definitely SR.

Quote
= The goods were sold on a "Amazon for illegal transactions," the online plat= form "Silk Road".=C2=A0 On "Silk Road" you can find nearly any illegal prod= uct or service for sale. Exceptions, said [police spokesperson Adina] Mirci= oane, are weapons of mass destruction and assassinations. You only get acce= ss via a so-called darknet, an encrypted network, and under the strictest= conditions.

It looks as though the investigation started a= year ago with a few arrests in Vienna:

<= div class=3D"topslice_quote">Quote
The Viennese had constructed a flourishing e-commerce trade for= ecstasy or MDMA, cocaine, and amphetamines. In three months he had - worki= ng alone - made about 400 transactions through India, Australia and South= Africa. Nearly 350 of these could be proved against him. The 25-year-old= was convicted.

In the course of this arrest, the investigators also= presented extensive evidence, including several computers. In evaluating= the data, the investigators came to the suppliers of the Viennese, the Ger= mans who lived in Bavaria.
Three dealers were arrested in Salzburg Vienn= a parallel to the investigation. Unlike their counterparts, the three Salzb= urg Viennese purchased their drugs directly from the same Germans and then= sold on a large scale.

I'd assume AfterHour's computers will= get the same treatment.=20

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: mezzomixtor on July 09, 2013, 09:33= pm

I think the "guy from vienna" that got busted a year ago was "imprint",= here is his old thread (last 2 pages they are talking about it)

htt= p://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=3D7809.msg380134#msg380134
about 2 month ago i checked his profile (after i have read the thread) an= d i am pretty sure that he has not been online for some time, now i checked= his profile again and it says that he was online in June 2013, so i guess= LE found out all of his login data

his profile: http://dkn255hz262y= pmii.onion/index.php?action=3Dprofile;u=3D7965

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: SouthSquareBiz on July 10, 2013, 05:4= 3 am

Wow...

Humbling.

Trust no one. Own nothing. Control every= thing.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: PIECE on July 10, 2013, 09:32 am

Stay strong AH!

I had an open Speed Order with him. I really hop= e it wasn't already packed and police found it. Very scared atm.

But= the newspapers only say that they found his speed, no pills mentioned. I= was in talk with him before the weekend and he said that power plant and= amnesia had arrived. So police probably didn't find everything.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: Jack N Hoff on July 10, 2013, 09:55= am

Quote
The customer orders goods from= a seller, then this usually gets delivered to the post office and awards= for reviews.

The payment is done with so-called "BitCoins", a legal= principle virtual currency that can be exchanged via online portals into= any desired real currency and paid again. By use of this area of =E2=80=8B= =E2=80=8Bthe Internet, which is accessible only via an encrypted and anonym= ous networks, the operators always try to escape any criminal police contro= l.

That sure sounds like Silk Road :(

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: peaceloveharmony on July 10, 2013, 10= :09 am

Quote from: yoblack on July 10,= 2013, 09:45 am
How= exactly where they caught?

They did a deal with someone not= using bitcoins and through this the police was able to trace the money. It= s stated in the official police report.

http://www.polizei.bayern.de= /lka/news/presse/aktuell/index.html/181553

I=C2=B4m pretty sure it= is PF who got busted.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: Moonfaxx on July 10, 2013, 10:17 am

As it seems the BKA is really horny on shutting this thing down and I= feel really unsafe now on placing my first order. Its getting more and mor= e unsafe here in Germany with the SR. In the next months we could see more= and more arrests because the police gets more experienced with SR busts an= d know what to expect of the dealers and the customers. They are very cleve= r and we shouldnt underestimate that. There are tons of vendors who keep th= eir customers information unsafe!

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: Chip Douglas on July 10, 2013, 10:28= am

Quote from: BruceCampbell on Jul= y 09, 2013, 07:53 pm
Gale had to go. You can't fuck a Gale, but you can fuck your Jesse.
<= br>=C2=A08)
Maybe you think you can, but Jesse's hetero bitch! (j= esse talk), Gale on the other hand... was a little light in the loafers. :o=

Besides, Jesse was banging Jane, that hot bitch from apartment 2b!= ;)

. . .=C2=A0 and we can't forget Wendy! - "How about a Windy/Wend= y" - No, Jesse was all man.

That's not to say Skinny Pete wasn't fu= ckin Badger! :o=C2=A0

(LOL @ this whole sidebar)

As far as= the German busts go? - I only have one thing to say. Dummkopfs!

-Ch= ip

PS.=C2=A0 Also Jesse doesn't keep a 'journal' ;)

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: zookaa on July 10, 2013, 10:31 am

Quote
They did a deal with someone no= t using bitcoins and through this the police was able to trace the money.= Its stated in the official police report.

Where? I didn't find= this anywhere in this article mentioned, although I know AH=C2=A0 has on= his profiles that "payments can be made on other ways also!"

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: peaceloveharmony on July 10, 2013, 10= :38 am

Quote from: zookaa on July 10,= 2013, 10:31 am
Quote
They did a deal with someone not usin= g bitcoins and through this the police was able to trace the money. Its sta= ted in the official police report.
<= div class=3D"botslice_quote">

Where? I didn't find this anyw= here in this article mentioned, although I know AH=C2=A0 has on his profile= s that "payments can be made on other ways also!"

Sorry i did= read something wrong in the articel and misinterpreted it, but i still gue= ss that they caught him this way as this is the way how police usually bust= s people on the inet.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: Captainobvius on July 10, 2013, 10:54= am

The Polish and Russian control the German underworld.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: uhrwerk on July 10, 2013, 10:57 am

Quote from: peaceloveharmony on= July 10, 2013, 10:09 am
Quote from: yoblack on July 10= , 2013, 09:45 am
H= ow exactly where they caught?

They did a deal with someone no= t using bitcoins and through this the police was able to trace the money.= Its stated in the official police report.

http://www.polizei.bayern= .de/lka/news/presse/aktuell/index.html/181553

I=C2=B4m pretty sure= it is PF who got busted.

there is no mentioning of that in= the article you provided.
all that is written translates to
"usual= ly, bitcoins and the darknet cover all steps of the criminals to the invest= igators by anonymisation" ... "not so in this case".
Do you have a deep= er knowledge you want to share with us ?
I have received a lot of reques= ts for bulk shipments that want to wire the money to me.
I suspect afte= rhour should have been clever enough to not accept these offers.
Really= wondering what greedy fantasy the police set up to get to him.

edit= : sorry-already been mentioned
edit2: Captainobvius- true :)

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: peaceloveharmony on July 10, 2013, 10= :59 am

http://kurier.at/chronik/oesterreich/globaler-drogenring-zerschlagen/18= .562.944

This articel states that he got busted because of data on= imprints computer (Alber A. =3D imprint) and PF wrote many times that he= was selling to imprint and made jokes about it. With this and the location= of this bust i=C2=B4m now 100% sure that this is about PF.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: PIECE on July 10, 2013, 11:15 am

Now AfterHour or PF? I got an open order with PF Reloaded, could this= become a problem?

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: peaceloveharmony on July 10, 2013, 11= :17 am

Quote from: JohnnyDeal on July= 10, 2013, 11:10 am
I'm just astonished how easy PF went about security precautions, if they= could easily trace it back to him. To be honest even I knew his idendity.<= br>

Yeah PF took his security not very serious, i tried to warn= him about this some time ago when he started to become bigger but he answe= red with some jokes and that it doesnt matter to him if the police busts hi= m, i=C2=B4m sure he thinks now different :(

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: peaceloveharmony on July 10, 2013, 11= :20 am

Quote from: PIECE on July 10, 20= 13, 11:15 am
Now Af= terHour or PF? I got an open order with PF Reloaded, could this become a pr= oblem?

It looks like DA is continuing PFs buisiness but i wou= ld be very cautious dealing with people who are at the top of the police ta= rget list. You never know what PF will tell the police and i=C2=B4m sure he= knows enough to destroy this operation completely.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: ItalianMafiaBrussels on July 10, 2013= , 11:24 am

alot of speed, silk road, i think AH

My thoughts are with you= brother! One week ago i had a little chat with him.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: peaceloveharmony on July 10, 2013, 12= :53 pm

I got a message from someone who is not able to post here, that AH is= the person who got arrested in Berlin. As i=C2=B4m 100% sure that PF is th= e one arrested in Deggendorf this would mean that they busted 2 of the bigg= est SR vendors at the same time. This would be a very sad day for SR ;(

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: zapatista36 on July 10, 2013, 01:32= pm

Quote from: PIECE on July 10, 20= 13, 11:15 am
Now Af= terHour or PF? I got an open order with PF Reloaded, could this become a pr= oblem?

PIECE and any other folks with open orders you gotta= assume your delivery address is burned, even if it's already been sent. Li= ke other members have said PF didn't convince others that he took security= as seriously as he maybe shoulda done. Clean house, clean PC/laptop and if= some fucker comes round asking questions all your obliged to tell LE is na= me, address and DOB. Then say fuck all. Act surprised if you feel it works.= Don't let them in (unlikely they would get a warrant for you based on a si= ngle address in very likely another country, by which time you should have= nothing incriminating in your home)=C2=A0

And say fuck all.
If you're in EU, article 6 of the ECHR provides for people not to incrimi= nate themselves.=C2=A0 So in case this might be a right you have to exercis= e SAY FUCK ALL. We all know criminal charges have higher thresholds for pro= of so use this to your advantage and call a lawyer

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: blauMaus on July 10, 2013, 03:07 pm

I would recommend everyone who had orders at AH or PF to clean their ho= uses.
AH couldn't even write proper English, i doubt he encrypted his ma= chine or made sure old addresses were really deleted.

Besides of thi= s, how could it take !6! days for this thread to appear since the bust?
= So for 6 days all people issuing orders on these sellers are in actual dang= er. The LE could have gained the
passwords for the seller accounts.
<= br>I think we as a community should be faster than this...
This goes esp= ecially to the sellers:
1. you ABSOLUTELY have to make sure no addresses= are kept
2. you need a backup plan for the bust. You need a trusted per= son who can report into the forum here if you got busted and warn people wh= o had open orders.

As said from zapatista36, if you have your house= clean and don't say ANYTHING to the police, there is not enough evidence= to get you punished.

peaceloveharmony, do you have more information= ? It could be very valuable for all of us...

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: PIECE on July 10, 2013, 03:15 pm

AH's account shows no activity since 5 days, so i really doubt that LE= has his password. I canceled my order with him on monday and it was still= processing. So he hasn't seen my adress yet right?

After this i ord= ered with PF but at the time with the new pgp. So i think only DA has my ad= ress and he is responding normally on my questions. Hope im fine.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: blauMaus on July 10, 2013, 03:21 pm

I think SR staff should intervene and at least temporarily block the ac= counts of the suspected vendors.
It is still possible that they give out= PWs while being questioned by LE.

All in all, i am wondering whethe= r it makes sense for a vendor to keep a list of buyers, he could offer
i= t to LE in a deal... But on the other side, it is then evident that he had= this lot of customers so bad for him again.
If i got it right from the= news articles, then LE could prove 350 trades to PF? So after that he migh= t think
it would be clever to hand out more information about customers.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: correctly on July 10, 2013, 03:49 pm<= /strong>

For a vendor who gets busted, the safety of his customers would be the= last thing on his mind
sorry but we have to protect ourselves
he sho= uld not have your home addresses in the first place

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: ilovethecolour on July 10, 2013, 03:5= 0 pm

No vendor should keep a list of customer addresses backed up, even if= it is encrypted

Usually the way people get busted is because of stu= pidity, in this case if it is true. AfterHour accepted a different method= of payment

or

Someone in his operation was busted and then= snitched

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: zookaa on July 10, 2013, 04:41 pm

I read somewhere that about 80% of SR buyers send their address informa= tion unencrypted... and as you can see on his feedback he had a huge volume= , there will be a lot of orders in processing state. Now how many people ha= ve their information unencrypted there... if LE logs into AHs account, that= will be a jackpot. I wonder how many people have kg of speed and MDMA orde= rs open..

IMHO SR Admins should take over the AfterHour account ASAP= to protect it from LE.

Edit: forgot to mention that even privnote= won't protect buyers, because most likely nobody read the privnote message= yet... it's still there waiting to be opened. So everybody who has their= info unencrypted or privnoted lying in AHs order box, should get their ass= ASAP up and do something

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: sleeptight on July 10, 2013, 06:11 pm=

Quote from: zookaa on July 10,= 2013, 04:41 pm
I= read somewhere that about 80% of SR buyers send their address information= unencrypted... and as you can see on his feedback he had a huge volume, th= ere will be a lot of orders in processing state. Now how many people have= their information unencrypted there... if LE logs into AHs account, that= will be a jackpot. I wonder how many people have kg of speed and MDMA orde= rs open..

And this points out how important it is to read the= forum, especially if you're buying large quantities.

So it seems= that German LE got after them through investigating RL contacts. That's go= od news, proving the tor network and SR are still safe.

Let's hope= that LE doesn't find enough evidence for AH and Pf's SR transactions.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: slirp on July 10, 2013, 07:11 pm

I don't agree with connecting the dots for LE but that's just me.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: bluehorn on July 10, 2013, 08:08 pm

Quote from: sleeptight on July= 10, 2013, 06:11 pm
Quote from: zookaa on July 10, 2013= , 04:41 pm
I read= somewhere that about 80% of SR buyers send their address information unenc= rypted... and as you can see on his feedback he had a huge volume, there wi= ll be a lot of orders in processing state. Now how many people have their= information unencrypted there... if LE logs into AHs account, that will be= a jackpot. I wonder how many people have kg of speed and MDMA orders open.= .
=

And this points out how important it is to read the forum,= especially if you're buying large quantities.

So it seems that Ger= man LE got after them through investigating RL contacts. That's good news,= proving the tor network and SR are still safe.

Let's hope that LE= doesn't find enough evidence for AH and Pf's SR transactions.
Im not worried for my own sake, since i haven't ordered anything from eit= her PF or AH.

The following is just speculation from my side.
Even if someone gets busted for RL reasons, their SR affairs and our safet= y might very well be compromised. If they weren't covering their tracks IRL= , we could assume they weren't covering their tracks here.

I hope ev= eryone knows by now to use PGP to encrypt addresses. Hopefully vendors wont= leave their passwords lying around as they seemingly did with the SR passw= ords(AH logged on in recently i think)

Safety above all :)

Be= st regards,
bluehorn

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: flashlight5 on July 10, 2013, 08:54= pm

yup, sad day, especially for the German SR community=C2=A0 :( :'(
but odds are, some new comer is filling in soon. this war on drugs is jus= t complete BS... *wink.to.le"

if they kept buyer data, hope they get= really good witness protection.... or they are likely to get stabbed in pr= ison.

is there any known case of a vendor keeping buyer info?

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: Intraterrestrial on July 10, 2013, 09= :09 pm

any vendors who do keep any buyer info cos "it will never happen to me"= - get the fuck rid of it, thanks 8)

for everybody's sake.

ho= pe it works out somehow or other for the busted crew, terrible news

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: kmfkewm on July 10, 2013, 09:25 pm

This yet again demonstrates the advantages of using a fake ID box, cust= omers who had worked with the busted vendors could at this point drop their= boxes and get new ones. Customers who had shit ordered to their real addre= sses are at the mercy of the security of the busted vendor.=20

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: kmfkewm on July 10, 2013, 09:33 pm

Somebody with 1 post sent me a PM saying he has further information abo= ut what happened. I cannot translate or understand this, but here is what= he sent me and asked me to post. Any German speakers care to translate?
Quote
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 M bestelle drei= Drogenp=C3=A4ckchen im Netz =C3=BCber denselben Dealer im Abstand von 3 Mo= naten. Man kontrolliere wo die Pakete aufgegeben werden, in dem Fall an ein= er kleinen Poststelle in einem Kiosk, wo die =C3=9Cberwachung halt nicht so= vorhanden ist. Man bestelle ein weiteres Paket, man kennt nun den Zyklus= den der Drogendealer hat, man bewache die Poststelle in der Zeit wo er das= Pakt gew=C3=B6hnlich aufgibt, drei Tage Observierung einer Poststelle durc= h zwei Beamte, man identifiziere den Drogendealer =C3=BCber die Kamera, fol= gt ihm und observiert ihn, erh=C3=A4rtet sich der Verdacht nicht geht man= hin und meldet ein Problem und kommt eventuell so an den Dealer ran. In di= esem Fall sah der Paketbote schon aus wie ein Junkie, diesen Paketboten hab= en die in Bayern festgesetzt ausgequetscht und dann die Dealer gefunden
=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > Der Dealer =C3=BCbergibt die Drogen verpackt einem= Mittelsmann der das Paket verschickt, meist eine kleine Nummer die nichts= weiss, leider wusste dieser Paketbote ziemlich viel =C3=BCber den Dealer= was fatal war.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > Ich hatte ein wenig in den Berichten= gest=C3=B6bert was die Kollegen in BAyern da gemacht haben, eigentlich sau= bere Polizeiarbeit, aber die f=C3=BChlen sich jetzt voll wie die H=C3=A4cke= rk=C3=B6nige.

So ist es bei PF / AH wohl gelaufen.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: PIECE on July 10, 2013, 09:46 pm

Quote from: kmfkewm on July 10,= 2013, 09:33 pm
Som= ebody with 1 post sent me a PM saying he has further information about what= happened. I cannot translate or understand this, but here is what he sent= me and asked me to post. Any German speakers care to translate?

Quote
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 M bestelle drei Drogenp= =C3=A4ckchen im Netz =C3=BCber denselben Dealer im Abstand von 3 Monaten.= Man kontrolliere wo die Pakete aufgegeben werden, in dem Fall an einer kle= inen Poststelle in einem Kiosk, wo die =C3=9Cberwachung halt nicht so vorha= nden ist. Man bestelle ein weiteres Paket, man kennt nun den Zyklus den der= Drogendealer hat, man bewache die Poststelle in der Zeit wo er das Pakt ge= w=C3=B6hnlich aufgibt, drei Tage Observierung einer Poststelle durch zwei= Beamte, man identifiziere den Drogendealer =C3=BCber die Kamera, folgt ihm= und observiert ihn, erh=C3=A4rtet sich der Verdacht nicht geht man hin und= meldet ein Problem und kommt eventuell so an den Dealer ran. In diesem Fal= l sah der Paketbote schon aus wie ein Junkie, diesen Paketboten haben die= in Bayern festgesetzt ausgequetscht und dann die Dealer gefunden

= =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > Der Dealer =C3=BCbergibt die Drogen verpackt einem Mitte= lsmann der das Paket verschickt, meist eine kleine Nummer die nichts weiss,= leider wusste dieser Paketbote ziemlich viel =C3=BCber den Dealer was fata= l war.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > Ich hatte ein wenig in den Berichten gest=C3= =B6bert was die Kollegen in BAyern da gemacht haben, eigentlich saubere Pol= izeiarbeit, aber die f=C3=BChlen sich jetzt voll wie die H=C3=A4ckerk=C3=B6= nige.

So ist es bei PF / AH wohl gelaufen.
Dont have time to translate all of it. But it basically says that police= ordered from him with tracking regularly in the last three months. Then th= ey monitored the point where the packages were droped. Thats how they got= him.=20

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: kmfkewm on July 10, 2013, 09:51 pm

Pretty noob mistake to always send from the same location. Smart vendor= s try to recycle drop off points as little as possible.=20

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: SealTeam6 on July 10, 2013, 09:56 pm<= /strong>

Quote from: Quazee on July 09,= 2013, 07:10 pm
yik= es, these vendors with huge volume employing others to ship for them are bo= und to get busted.=C2=A0 just saying can't trust peeps

Good= to have a fall guy or a high paid lawyer, better to have both.

"Car= s and Jewels is cool, but more important is lawyer fees"

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: SealTeam6 on July 10, 2013, 09:59 pm<= /strong>

Quote from: ItalianMafiaBrussels= on July 10, 2013, 11:24 am
alot of speed, silk road, i think AH

My thoughts are with= you brother! One week ago i had a little chat with him.

Yes,= best of luck to all in this situation!

However I have little pity= for people involved in the game making stupid mistakes.=C2=A0 Chock it up= to greed I suppose.=C2=A0 :-\

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: DealerOfDrugs on July 10, 2013, 10:02= pm

Quote from: SealTeam6 on July 10= , 2013, 09:56 pm
Quote from: Quazee on July 09, 2013,= 07:10 pm
yikes,= these vendors with huge volume employing others to ship for them are bound= to get busted.=C2=A0 just saying can't trust peeps

Good to= have a fall guy or a high paid lawyer, better to have both.

"Cars= and Jewels is cool, but more important is lawyer fees"

Watch= out guys, we got a criminal mastermind over here.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: SealTeam6 on July 10, 2013, 10:05 pm<= /strong>

Quote from: DealerOfDrugs on Jul= y 10, 2013, 10:02 pm
Quote from: SealTeam6 on July 10,= 2013, 09:56 pm
Quote from: Quazee on July 09, 2013,= 07:10 pm
yikes, th= ese vendors with huge volume employing others to ship for them are bound to= get busted.=C2=A0 just saying can't trust peeps

Good to have= a fall guy or a high paid lawyer, better to have both.

"Cars and Je= wels is cool, but more important is lawyer fees"

Watch out gu= ys, we got a criminal mastermind over here.

Oh I'm sorry I gu= ess you want my life story, hop off!

Oh maybe I should call my self= a dealer of drugs, that makes me 100.=C2=A0 Joke!

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: biglubes on July 10, 2013, 10:10 pm

Google Translate is broken?=C2=A0 ;)

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: DealerOfDrugs on July 10, 2013, 10:13= pm

Quote from: SealTeam6 on July 10= , 2013, 10:05 pm
Quote from: DealerOfDrugs on July 10,= 2013, 10:02 pm
Quote from: SealTeam6 on July 10, 2013= , 09:56 pm
Quote from: Quazee on July 09, 2013, 07:10= pm
yikes, these= vendors with huge volume employing others to ship for them are bound to ge= t busted.=C2=A0 just saying can't trust peeps

Good to have a= fall guy or a high paid lawyer, better to have both.

"Cars and Jewe= ls is cool, but more important is lawyer fees"

Watch out gu= ys, we got a criminal mastermind over here.

Oh I'm sorry I gu= ess you want my life story, hop off!

Oh maybe I should call my self= a dealer of drugs, that makes me 100.=C2=A0 Joke!

Your the= guy that when you first started posted a bunch of low res shots of some sh= itty Mexican brick weed and tried to pretend like it was some good shit, ri= ght? Everyone made fun of you.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: SealTeam6 on July 10, 2013, 10:16 pm<= /strong>

Quote from: DealerOfDrugs on Jul= y 10, 2013, 10:13 pm
Quote from: SealTeam6 on July 10,= 2013, 10:05 pm
Quote from: DealerOfDrugs on July 10,= 2013, 10:02 pm
Quote from: SealTeam6 on July 10, 2013,= 09:56 pm
Quote from: Quazee on July 09, 2013, 07:10= pm
yikes, these ve= ndors with huge volume employing others to ship for them are bound to get= busted.=C2=A0 just saying can't trust peeps

Good to have a= fall guy or a high paid lawyer, better to have both.

"Cars and Jewe= ls is cool, but more important is lawyer fees"

Watch out gu= ys, we got a criminal mastermind over here.

Oh I'm sorry I gu= ess you want my life story, hop off!

Oh maybe I should call my self= a dealer of drugs, that makes me 100.=C2=A0 Joke!

Your the= guy that when you first started posted a bunch of low res shots of some sh= itty Mexican brick weed and tried to pretend like it was some good shit, ri= ght? Everyone made fun of you.
<= div class=3D"botslice_quote">

My man, those guys were clowns= and apparently you wanna join the circus.=C2=A0

People made fun of= me?=C2=A0 and then what?

Go gossip somewhere else, have you burned= my ganja?=C2=A0 Ya haven't so don't make a fool of yourself!

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: DealerOfDrugs on July 10, 2013, 10:21= pm

Quote from: SealTeam6 on July 10= , 2013, 10:16 pm
Quote from: DealerOfDrugs on July 10,= 2013, 10:13 pm
Quote from: SealTeam6 on July 10, 2013= , 10:05 pm
Quote from: DealerOfDrugs on July 10, 2013= , 10:02 pm
Quote from: SealTeam6 on July 10, 2013, 09= :56 pm
Quote from: Quazee on July 09, 2013, 07:10 pm<= /a>
yikes, these vendo= rs with huge volume employing others to ship for them are bound to get bust= ed.=C2=A0 just saying can't trust peeps

Good to have a fall= guy or a high paid lawyer, better to have both.

"Cars and Jewels is= cool, but more important is lawyer fees"

Watch out guys, we= got a criminal mastermind over here.

Oh I'm sorry I guess yo= u want my life story, hop off!

Oh maybe I should call my self a deal= er of drugs, that makes me 100.=C2=A0 Joke!

Your the guy that= when you first started posted a bunch of low res shots of some shitty Mexi= can brick weed and tried to pretend like it was some good shit, right? Ever= yone made fun of you.

My man, those guys were clowns and appa= rently you wanna join the circus.=C2=A0

People made fun of me?=C2= =A0 and then what?

Go gossip somewhere else, have you burned my ganj= a?=C2=A0 Ya haven't so don't make a fool of yourself!

No, bu= t I heard from very reliable sources that it aint good for nothing but butt= er. schwag

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: piratesam on July 10, 2013, 10:21 pm<= /strong>

I would like to know where he slipped up. We can learn a great deal fro= m this. Every storm has a bright ending... or something, I'm bad with those= . lol

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: SealTeam6 on July 10, 2013, 10:23 pm<= /strong>

Quote from: piratesam on July 10= , 2013, 10:21 pm
I= would like to know where he slipped up. We can learn a great deal from thi= s. Every storm has a bright ending... or something, I'm bad with those. lol=
<= /div>

Yes please take this thread back to what it's about, learnin= g from mistakes!

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: SealTeam6 on July 10, 2013, 10:25 pm<= /strong>

Quote from: DealerOfDrugs on Jul= y 10, 2013, 10:21 pm
Quote from: SealTeam6 on July 10,= 2013, 10:16 pm
Quote from: DealerOfDrugs on July 10,= 2013, 10:13 pm
Quote from: SealTeam6 on July 10, 2013,= 10:05 pm
Quote from: DealerOfDrugs on July 10, 2013= , 10:02 pm
Quote from: SealTeam6 on July 10, 2013, 09= :56 pm
Quote from: Quazee on July 09, 2013, 07:10 pm<= /a>
yikes, these vendor= s with huge volume employing others to ship for them are bound to get buste= d.=C2=A0 just saying can't trust peeps

Good to have a fall gu= y or a high paid lawyer, better to have both.

"Cars and Jewels is co= ol, but more important is lawyer fees"

Watch out guys, we got= a criminal mastermind over here.

Oh I'm sorry I guess you wa= nt my life story, hop off!

Oh maybe I should call my self a dealer= of drugs, that makes me 100.=C2=A0 Joke!

Your the guy that= when you first started posted a bunch of low res shots of some shitty Mexi= can brick weed and tried to pretend like it was some good shit, right? Ever= yone made fun of you.

My man, those guys were clowns and appa= rently you wanna join the circus.=C2=A0

People made fun of me?=C2= =A0 and then what?

Go gossip somewhere else, have you burned my ganj= a?=C2=A0 Ya haven't so don't make a fool of yourself!

No, bu= t I heard from very reliable sources that it aint good for nothing but butt= er. schwag

ok thanks for sharing!

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: DealerOfDrugs on July 10, 2013, 10:26= pm

Quote from: SealTeam6 on July 10= , 2013, 10:23 pm
Quote from: piratesam on July 10, 2013= , 10:21 pm
I would= like to know where he slipped up. We can learn a great deal from this. Eve= ry storm has a bright ending... or something, I'm bad with those. lol
<= /div>
Yes please take this thread back to what it's about, learning from= mistakes!

Sorry. I just have zero tolerance for "big talkers= ."

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: JohnnyDeal on July 10, 2013, 10:34 pm=

Of course I've expected some drama in here but it evolved into a soap= opera

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: SealTeam6 on July 10, 2013, 10:36 pm<= /strong>

Quote from: DealerOfDrugs on Jul= y 10, 2013, 10:26 pm
Quote from: SealTeam6 on July 10,= 2013, 10:23 pm
Quote from: piratesam on July 10, 2013= , 10:21 pm
I would= like to know where he slipped up. We can learn a great deal from this. Eve= ry storm has a bright ending... or something, I'm bad with those. lol
<= /div>
Yes please take this thread back to what it's about, learning from= mistakes!

Sorry. I just have zero tolerance for "big talkers= ."

Yes I get the understanding that you don't like yourself,= now fall back dealer of nothing, I already thanked you for your bullshit= lie about sources when I have only sold bud to one source.=C2=A0 You see= the difference in the plurality that you are claiming?=C2=A0 That means yo= u are a liar and can't back up the bullshit you are claiming.=C2=A0 I also= understand your hard on for me, I'm an intriguing individual, however I do= feel bad that you are wasting space in this thread that could be used for= real discussion.=C2=A0 I can't control the world so hey, what other bullsh= it ya got?

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: SealTeam6 on July 10, 2013, 10:38 pm<= /strong>

Quote from: JohnnyDeal on July= 10, 2013, 10:34 pm
Of course I've expected some drama in here but it evolved into a soap oper= a
=

What are ya gonna do, I talk a lot of shit but I practice= what I preach!=C2=A0 No one here has proven me wrong on any claims I have= ever made!

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: klm2233 on July 10, 2013, 10:39 pm

Quote from: kmfkewm on July 10,= 2013, 09:33 pm
Som= ebody with 1 post sent me a PM saying he has further information about what= happened. I cannot translate or understand this, but here is what he sent= me and asked me to post. Any German speakers care to translate?

Quote
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 M bestelle drei Drogenp= =C3=A4ckchen im Netz =C3=BCber denselben Dealer im Abstand von 3 Monaten.= Man kontrolliere wo die Pakete aufgegeben werden, in dem Fall an einer kle= inen Poststelle in einem Kiosk, wo die =C3=9Cberwachung halt nicht so vorha= nden ist. Man bestelle ein weiteres Paket, man kennt nun den Zyklus den der= Drogendealer hat, man bewache die Poststelle in der Zeit wo er das Pakt ge= w=C3=B6hnlich aufgibt, drei Tage Observierung einer Poststelle durch zwei= Beamte, man identifiziere den Drogendealer =C3=BCber die Kamera, folgt ihm= und observiert ihn, erh=C3=A4rtet sich der Verdacht nicht geht man hin und= meldet ein Problem und kommt eventuell so an den Dealer ran. In diesem Fal= l sah der Paketbote schon aus wie ein Junkie, diesen Paketboten haben die= in Bayern festgesetzt ausgequetscht und dann die Dealer gefunden

= =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > Der Dealer =C3=BCbergibt die Drogen verpackt einem Mitte= lsmann der das Paket verschickt, meist eine kleine Nummer die nichts weiss,= leider wusste dieser Paketbote ziemlich viel =C3=BCber den Dealer was fata= l war.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > Ich hatte ein wenig in den Berichten gest=C3= =B6bert was die Kollegen in BAyern da gemacht haben, eigentlich saubere Pol= izeiarbeit, aber die f=C3=BChlen sich jetzt voll wie die H=C3=A4ckerk=C3=B6= nige.

So ist es bei PF / AH wohl gelaufen.
(fast) TRANSLATION

You are ordering 3 Packages of Drugs on the inte= rnet at the same vendor in the time of 3 months. You are controlling where= the packages are dispatched, in this case a small postoffice at a kiosk,= without cctv. You are ordering again, and are nowing the cycle of the vend= or now, so you are surveiling the post office where it is dispatched, 3 day= s observation of 2 police officers, you are going to identify the dealer an= d follow him, if there is no evidence, you can go there and tell the you go= t a problem and may get the dealer in this was [ I dont get the point out= of this sentence?!?!] In this case the dealer were looking like a junk, th= ey arrested this runner in bavaria and asked him and found then the other= dealers.

- the dealer is giving the drugs prepacked to the runner,= most likely this guy doesnt even know what he is doing, in this case he di= d know way to much about the dealer
- i was looking a bit in the police= documents and were looking what the colleagues in bavaria were doing, in= fact great police work, but now they feel like the hackerkings.

---= --------

the last sentence suggest that this note was written by LE<= br>--> nope, editor of the note contacted me and told me he is servicing= the servers of LE

stay safe

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: SealTeam6 on July 10, 2013, 10:42 pm<= /strong>

+1 to the translator

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: bluehorn on July 10, 2013, 11:05 pm

Quote from: klm2233 on July 10,= 2013, 10:39 pm
You are ordering 3 Packages of Drugs on the internet at the same vendor in= the time of 3 months. You are controlling where the packages are dispatche= d, in this case a small postoffice at a kiosk, without cctv. You are orderi= ng again, and are nowing the cycle of the vendor now, so you are surveiling= the post office where it is dispatched, 3 days observation of 2 police off= icers, you are going to identify the dealer and follow him, if there is no= evidence, you can go there and tell the you got a problem and may get the= dealer in this was [ I dont get the point out of this sentence?!?!] In thi= s case the dealer were looking like a junk, they arrested this runner in ba= varia and asked him and found then the other dealers.

- the dealer= is giving the drugs prepacked to the runner, most likely this guy doesnt= even know what he is doing, in this case he did know way to much about the= dealer
- i was looking a bit in the police documents and were looking= what the colleagues in bavaria were doing, in fact great police work, but= now they feel like the hackerkings.

-----------

the last sen= tence suggest that this note was written by LE
--> nope, editor of th= e note contacted me and told me he is servicing the servers of LE

stay safe

Thanks for the translation, my German is rusty to= say the least :)

Seems they got to the entire operation because one= person talked. Cliches aside (snitches get stitches and loyalty before roy= alty etc), having a tight crew you can trust not to rat on everyone is prob= ably essential in case things go downhill.

But hell, what do I know= =C2=A0 =C2=A0???

Regards,
bluehorn

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: SealTeam6 on July 10, 2013, 11:20 pm<= /strong>

To add to the gossip I just got this from a member who would like to re= main nameless.....

Hey

can u please post this?
i am in= dispute with the new owner of PFs acc, so I dont want to throw attention
"the guy who provided the info said they busted both, Afterhour and= Pfandleiher (PFs account is now runned by Dutchanbod)"

one love
=

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: Quazee on July 10, 2013, 11:24 pm

dutchanbod and pf have always been known as the same guy right? or just= business partners. means the same thing if you take into account linkabili= ty.=20

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: peaceloveharmony on July 10, 2013, 11= :25 pm

Quote from: kmfkewm on July 10,= 2013, 09:33 pm
Som= ebody with 1 post sent me a PM saying he has further information about what= happened. I cannot translate or understand this, but here is what he sent= me and asked me to post. Any German speakers care to translate?

Quote
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 M bestelle drei Drogenp= =C3=A4ckchen im Netz =C3=BCber denselben Dealer im Abstand von 3 Monaten.= Man kontrolliere wo die Pakete aufgegeben werden, in dem Fall an einer kle= inen Poststelle in einem Kiosk, wo die =C3=9Cberwachung halt nicht so vorha= nden ist. Man bestelle ein weiteres Paket, man kennt nun den Zyklus den der= Drogendealer hat, man bewache die Poststelle in der Zeit wo er das Pakt ge= w=C3=B6hnlich aufgibt, drei Tage Observierung einer Poststelle durch zwei= Beamte, man identifiziere den Drogendealer =C3=BCber die Kamera, folgt ihm= und observiert ihn, erh=C3=A4rtet sich der,Verdacht nicht geht man hin und= meldet ein Problem und kommt eventuell so an den Dealer ran. In diesem Fal= l sah der Paketbote schon aus wie ein Junkie, diesen Paketboten haben die= in Bayern festgesetzt ausgequetscht und dann die Dealer gefunden

= =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > Der Dealer =C3=BCbergibt die Drogen verpackt einem Mitte= lsmann der das Paket verschickt, meist eine kleine Nummer die nichts weiss,= leider wusste dieser Paketbote ziemlich viel =C3=BCber den Dealer was fata= l war.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > Ich hatte ein wenig in den Berichten gest=C3= =B6bert was die Kollegen in BAyern da gemacht haben, eigentlich saubere Pol= izeiarbeit, aber die f=C3=BChlen sich jetzt voll wie die H=C3=A4ckerk=C3=B6= nige.

So ist es bei PF / AH wohl gelaufen.
His writing style is a little bit weird but i will try to translate it:
Quote from:= Translated
M ordered= 3 drug packages from the same dealer over the inet every 3 months. It was= controlled from where the packages were shipped. In this case from a small= mail office in a newspaper outlet, where there were no video cams. They or= dered another package, now you know the way the dealer operates and you can= start to observe the mail station in the period of day when he usually dro= ps the packages-, 3 days of observation of a mail station through 2 cops,= identify the dealer through cam, follow and observe him. If the suspicion= is not substantiated, you notify a problem and possibly you find the deale= r.
In this case the mail man already looked like a junkie, so they caugh= t the mail man in Bavaria, questioned him and then found the dealer.
>The dealer gives the packaged drugs to a middle man who is going to sh= ip them, usually a small fish who knows nothing, unfortunately this mail ma= n knew pretty much about the dealer and this was critical.
>I have se= arched the reports about the work of our Bavarian partners=C2=A0 for a whil= e, actually its some very good police work but now they feel like the great= hacker kings.

Edit: Lol i was too slow :D

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: frankmacca on July 10, 2013, 11:43 pm=

Cutting the cables is a necessity in the business. Hope whomever got pi= nched had their wire cutters handy before it went down!

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: peaceloveharmony on July 11, 2013, 12= :11 am

On 2nd July the German police also busted some other internet drug oper= ation which was selling XTC pills with payment via BTC. Its becoming quite= scary in Germany as they busted 3 big online vendors in 1 week. Anyone kno= ws if this is also SR related (the report states that they were operating= on private forums)?

http://www.presseportal.de/polizeipresse/pm/115= 62/2511405/pol-e-essen-hagen-hagener-polizei-fuehrt-schlag-gegen-internetha= ndel-mit-ecstasy-tabletten=20

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: ilovethecolour on July 11, 2013, 02:2= 0 am

Like i said before

Stupidity or Snitch

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: connoisseur on July 11, 2013, 04:26= am

I post the full text of this police press release here so you don't hav= e to leave traces on their server and they cannot follow how many people ar= e interested in this story.
As much as I got from a machine translation= it's about German XTC vendors operating here and police has a lot of data= as vendors seem to have bared their sould in custody.
It appears to be= the 3rd major bust in Germany and is dated July 10, 3:12 PM German time.
A few reminders:
Compare PGP keys on a vendor's page with the one= you used before as this would be the easiest way for cops to get your data= . To my knowledge Germany allows police to buy drugs to make a case but the= y are not allowed to continue selling through a hijacked acct. Pls correct= me if this is a wrong assumption.

Fucking Nazis.

IDK the SR= post-bust policy but I think it would be good idea if DPR makes compromise= d accounts inaccessible in order to limit the damage. Don't throw aroudn wi= th vendor names here in the forum but PM the mods if you have any informati= on that helps to protect this community.
=C2=A0
http://www.presseport= al.de/polizeipresse/pm/11562/2511405/pol-e-essen-hagen-hagener-polizei-fueh= rt-schlag-gegen-internethandel-mit-ecstasy-tabletten

Pol-E: Essen/Ha= gen: Hagener Polizei f=C3=BChrt Schlag gegen Internethandelhandel mit Ecsta= sy-Tabletten.

Seit mehreren Wochen ermittelt die Hagener Polizei weg= en Rauschgifthandels gegen eine =C3=BCberregionale T=C3=A4tergruppe aus div= ersen St=C3=A4dten in NRW. Das Kommissariat zur Bek=C3=A4mpfung der Organis= ierten Kriminalit=C3=A4t hat hierzu speziell eine Ermittlungskommission ein= gerichtet. Grund daf=C3=BCr war der Verdacht eines gro=C3=9F angelegten Han= dels mit Ecstasy-Tabletten und Amphetamin. Verk=C3=A4ufer und K=C3=A4ufer= traten dazu =C3=BCber abgeschottete Internetforen in Kontakt. Die Bezahlun= g und Lieferung der Bet=C3=A4ubungsmittel fand anschlie=C3=9Fend auf dem Po= stwege statt. Als Zahlungsmittel nutzen die Tatverd=C3=A4chtigen auch das= Internetzahlungsmittel Bitcoin. Die Beamten der Ermittlungskommission gehe= n derzeit davon aus, dass auf diesem Wege ca. 65000 Ecstasy-Pillen mit eine= m Marktwert von mehr als 250.000 Euro umgesetzt wurden. Die konspirative Ko= mmunikation der Tatverd=C3=A4chtigen untereinander erfolgte mit h=C3=B6chst= em technischem Knowhow, so dass auch die Ermittler der Hagener Kripo einen= enormen technischen Aufwand und umfangreiche konspirative =C3=9Cberwachung= sma=C3=9Fnahmen betreiben mussten. Die intensiven Ermittlungen f=C3=BChrten= schlie=C3=9Flich zu einem positiven Ergebnis und zun=C3=A4chst zur Identif= izierung von acht Haupttatverd=C3=A4chtigen in Essen, Herten, Unna, Velbert= sowie im Ennepe-Ruhr-Kreis. Dar=C3=BCber hinaus gab es weitere Tatverd=C3= =A4chtige im Alter von 19 bis 26 Jahren in Rheinlandpfalz, Hessen und Bayer= n. Die in diesem Fall zust=C3=A4ndigen Staatsanwaltschaften aus Essen, Boch= um, Wuppertal und Arnsberg beantragten entsprechende Durchsuchungsbeschl=C3= =BCsse, die von den jeweils zust=C3=A4ndigen Gerichten erlassen wurden. Dam= it waren die erforderlichen Voraussetzungen geschaffen und am Dienstag, dem= 02.07.13 um 06.00 Uhr, schlugen die Ermittler zeitgleich an 11 verschieden= en Orten in NRW zu und durchsuchten die Wohnungen der ermittelten Tatverd= =C3=A4chtigen. Dabei stellten die Ermittler Bargeld in H=C3=B6he von 14.000= Euro, Handelsutensilien und zun=C3=A4chst kleinere Drogenmengen sicher. Da= r=C3=BCber hinaus legten sie aber auch gro=C3=9Fen Wert auf die Sicherstell= ung von Computern, Speichermedien und Datentr=C3=A4gern, um so die Tathandl= ungen weiter aufhellen zu k=C3=B6nnen. Acht deutsche Tatverd=C3=A4chtige im= Alter von 21 bis 31 Jahren, wurden vorl=C3=A4ufig festgenommen. Noch am gl= eichen Vormittag erfolgten weitere Durchsuchungen in den o. g. Bundesl=C3= =A4ndern bei Abnehmern und Kontaktpersonen in Fulda, Worms, Weilheim und Wi= ttlich. Dabei wurde neben kleineren Drogenmengen und einem Sturmgewehr auch= eine Cannabis-Plantage vorgefunden und gesichert. Die Festgenommenen zeigt= en sich weitestgehend gest=C3=A4ndig, best=C3=A4tigten den Ermittlungsstand= und trugen mit ihren Aussagen zur weiteren Aufhellung bei. In weiten Teile= n best=C3=A4tigten sich die bisherigen Ermittlungsergebnisse und die Erkenn= tnisse =C3=BCber den Handel einer gro=C3=9Fen Zahl von Ecstasy-Pillen.
<= br>Noch an diesem Tag f=C3=BChrten Folgeermittlungen die Kripobeamten nach= Wickede a. d. R. zu einem weiteren bislang unbekannten Mitt=C3=A4ter. Eine= Wohnungsdurchsuchung f=C3=BChrte hier zur Sicherstellung von mehr als 11.0= 00 Ecstasytabletten im Wert von =C3=BCber 40.000 Euro und zahlreichen weite= ren Beweismitteln, die den umfangreichen Handel belegten. Der 28-j=C3=A4hri= ge Mann und seine gleichaltrige Lebensgef=C3=A4hrtin wurden vorl=C3=A4ufig= festgenommen. W=C3=A4hrend die Frau sp=C3=A4ter den Heimweg antreten konnt= e, hat ein Haftrichter f=C3=BCr den 28-J=C3=A4hrigen Untersuchungshaft ange= ordnet. Auch der j=C3=BCngste der erstgenannten acht Tatverd=C3=A4chtigen= war dem Haftrichter vorgef=C3=BChrt, auf dessen Anordnung aber gegen Aufla= gen wieder entlassen worden.=20

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: tomleepdx on July 11, 2013, 04:49 am<= /strong>

Can anyone identify what pills those are from the image?=C2=A0 The ones= in the foreground appear to have a unique press that isn't a circle.=C2=A0= I can't quite figure out what they are.=C2=A0 The green ones in the backgr= ound maybe androids?

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: ilovethecolour on July 11, 2013, 06:1= 1 am

Any idea who the pill vendor might be?

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: d0z3r on July 11, 2013, 06:25 am

so what date did this happen?

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: flashlight5 on July 11, 2013, 06:31= am

Quote from: d0z3r on July 11, 20= 13, 06:25 am
so wha= t date did this happen?

07/02/13=C2=A0 6 am

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: h1n1z2 on July 11, 2013, 06:42 am

Afterhour

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: d0z3r on July 11, 2013, 07:35 am

Quote from: flashlight5 on July= 11, 2013, 06:31 am
Quote from: d0z3r on July 11, 2013,= 06:25 am
so what= date did this happen?

07/02/13=C2=A0 6 am

= Are you sure? I am almost positive AH had signed on after then.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: zookaa on July 11, 2013, 07:50 am

Guys this whole Pfandleiher and Dutchanbod thing smells also fishy...= who knows who really took over Pfandleihers account. if I wanted I could= also write as bad english as DB...
Please be careful

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: flashlight5 on July 11, 2013, 08:50= am

the article also states that the suspects in the xtc case are cooperati= ng... superduper

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: uhrwerk on July 11, 2013, 10:12 am

Quote from: flashlight5 on July= 11, 2013, 08:50 am
the article also states that the suspects in the xtc case are cooperating.= .. superduper

no mentioning of SR, they just say that they us= ed "hidden internet forums" and by that, I am not sure if they mean the TOR= network at all.

"Die konspirative Kommunikation der Tatverd=C3=A4ch= tigen untereinander erfolgte mit h=C3=B6chstem technischem Knowhow, so dass= auch die Ermittler der Hagener Kripo einen enormen technischen Aufwand und= umfangreiche konspirative =C3=9Cberwachungsma=C3=9Fnahmen betreiben musste= n. Die intensiven Ermittlungen f=C3=BChrten schlie=C3=9Flich zu einem posit= iven Ergebnis und zun=C3=A4chst zur Identifizierung von acht Haupttatverd= =C3=A4chtigen in Essen, Herten, Unna, Velbert sowie im Ennepe-Ruhr-Kreis."<= br>translates to :
"the conspirative communication used by the suspects= was on the highest technical level, so the investigators had to use a surv= eillance on the highest technical conspirative=C2=A0 extent. [that sentence= is bogus in German, too, dont blame me for it :) ] Intense work led to the= indentification of 8 main suspects in the afforementioned cities."

= They could very well have been working in clearweb party/drug- forums and= only be a group of ravers that went overboard. I have also got an idea of= the communication they used if they were identifiable after all.
Also,= that happens if young, in their-twenties think they have it all covered wi= th their security and trust each other too much. They will learn now that= patience is a virtue, and silence is gold. Apparently they have never had= to deal with LE cause they talked straight away. The main person was not= even known to the authorities but was caught the very same day all of them= were busted because one started talking. They always pick on the weakest.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: peaceloveharmony on July 11, 2013, 10= :40 am

Looks like they fucked PF quite hard :(

http://idowa.de/home/art= ikel/2013/07/05/filmreife-szenen-in-altenmarkt.html

"It was like in= a movie: there were armed cops from the LKA with oxygen masks, they probab= ly threw tear gas. into the building At least you heard loud broken windows= and a short time later they removed the suspects. One cop was even bleedin= g."

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: zookaa on July 11, 2013, 11:01 am

Quote from: peaceloveharmony on= July 11, 2013, 10:40 am
Looks like they fucked PF quite hard :(

http://idowa.de/home/a= rtikel/2013/07/05/filmreife-szenen-in-altenmarkt.html

"It was like= in a movie: there were armed cops from the LKA with oxygen masks, they pro= bably threw tear gas. into the building At least you heard loud broken wind= ows and a short time later they removed the suspects. One cop was even blee= ding."

Holy shit, and that article is from last friday mornin= g!

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: flwrchlds9 on July 11, 2013, 11:05 am=

PF/DA NO same person. PF had some problem and heat last month but was= from RL thing, we think he went away and cool off then. Maybe went back to= o soon?

We say many time - investigation move VERY SLOW and take LON= G TIME. This look like going for 1yr. Usual 9-18 months. DON think all ok= because nothing happen TODAY. Understand?

Other people maybe have= problems also - maybe some from NL, BE CAREFUL FOR WHILE. We *KNO* other= person in NL have problem maybe because of this.

They watch and lis= ten to learn much before bust.

=C2=A0:o

-----
BTW - yes= sad 1 person 100% AH.=C2=A0 :-\

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: flashlight5 on July 11, 2013, 11:26= am

Quote from: uhrwerk on July 11,= 2013, 10:12 am
Quote from: flashlight5 on July 11, 201= 3, 08:50 am
the ar= ticle also states that the suspects in the xtc case are cooperating... supe= rduper

no mentioning of SR, they just say that they used "hid= den internet forums" and by that, I am not sure if they mean the TOR networ= k at all.

......

They could very well have been working in cl= earweb party/drug- forums and only be a group of ravers that went overboard= . I have also got an idea of the communication they used if they were ident= ifiable after all.
Also, that happens if young, in their-twenties think= they have it all covered with their security and trust each other too much= . They will learn now that patience is a virtue, and silence is gold. Appar= ently they have never had to deal with LE cause they talked straight away.= The main person was not even known to the authorities but was caught the= very same day all of them were busted because one started talking. They al= ways pick on the weakest.

true. the article states it was= an "Forum / Board". SR ain't a forum (but then, what do most reporters kno= w). The article also states that "Payment and delivery were done via the po= stal system." "They=C2=A0 A L S O=C2=A0 used the internet currency bitcoin"= . Sounds not like SR... or not JUST SR. Maybe they were doing both or whate= ver.

[C L E A R N E T]
http://www.derwesten.de/staedte/velbert/sc= hlag-gegen-drogenkriminalitaet-polizei-nimmt-ecstasy-gangster-fest-id817313= 5.html
http://www.presseportal.de/polizeipresse/pm/30835/2511284/pol-ha-= hagener-polizei-fuehrt-schlag-gegen-internethandel-mit-ecstasy-tabletten[ / C L E A R N E T]

There are some picture of the pills. somebody= seen them on here? 250 000 Euro worth of pills sold (if we trust their num= bers and their math) should have been seen by someone (I personally am not= into XTC so I don't look at the listings).

Well... as Uhrwerk said,= trusting others too much. But that were sellers (obviously they need to be= buyers as well..) but as buyer you always got the weak link of exposing so= me address... which can lead to all sorts of problems down the line.
Would be great if more vendors offered pick up options at drops, even for= a fee. Sooo much safer for buyers. Two minutes after you walk, you are in= the clear....

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: flwrchlds9 on July 11, 2013, 12:07 pm=

Quote from: flashlight5 on July= 11, 2013, 11:26 am

true. the article states it was an "Forum / Board". SR ain't a forum= (but then, what do most reporters know). The article also states that "Pay= ment and delivery were done via the postal system." "They=C2=A0 A L S O=C2= =A0 used the internet currency bitcoin". Sounds not like SR... or not JUST= SR. Maybe they were doing both or whatever.

[C L E A R N E T]
ht= tp://www.derwesten.de/staedte/velbert/schlag-gegen-drogenkriminalitaet-poli= zei-nimmt-ecstasy-gangster-fest-id8173135.html
http://www.presseportal.d= e/polizeipresse/pm/30835/2511284/pol-ha-hagener-polizei-fuehrt-schlag-gegen= -internethandel-mit-ecstasy-tabletten
[ / C L E A R N E T]

There= are some picture of the pills. somebody seen them on here?

= Look like maybe green ? marks or green Rolex crown. If green Rolex crown th= en not from SR. The green rolex are FAKE with PMA.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: flashlight5 on July 11, 2013, 12:39= pm

"Compare PGP keys on a vendor's page with the one you used before as th= is would be the easiest way for cops to get your data. To my knowledge Germ= any allows police to buy drugs to make a case but they are not allowed to= continue selling through a hijacked acct. Pls correct me if this is a wron= g assumption."

They are definitely NOT allowed to sell drugs. On the= other hand, leaving the account open to collect data..... don't think that= is forbidden. They don't switch your mobile off, once they took it from if= they suspect you of anything serious. And even if, they could easily find= a reason to keep it open ..=20

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: sleeptight on July 11, 2013, 05:18 pm=

Quote from: tomleepdx on July 11= , 2013, 04:49 am
Ca= n anyone identify what pills those are from the image?=C2=A0 The ones in th= e foreground appear to have a unique press that isn't a circle.=C2=A0 I can= 't quite figure out what they are.=C2=A0 The green ones in the background= maybe androids?

Looks like grenade shape to me. Blue and gre= en grenades have been around lately.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: sleeptight on July 11, 2013, 06:28 pm=

Quote from: connoisseur on July= 11, 2013, 04:26 am
I post the full text of this police press release here so you don't have= to leave traces on their server and they cannot follow how many people are= interested in this story.
As much as I got from a machine translation= it's about German XTC vendors operating here and police has a lot of data= as vendors seem to have bared their sould in custody.
It appears to be= the 3rd major bust in Germany and is dated July 10, 3:12 PM German time.
A few reminders:
Compare PGP keys on a vendor's page with the one= you used before as this would be the easiest way for cops to get your data= . To my knowledge Germany allows police to buy drugs to make a case but the= y are not allowed to continue selling through a hijacked acct. Pls correct= me if this is a wrong assumption.

Fucking Nazis.

IDK the SR= post-bust policy but I think it would be good idea if DPR makes compromise= d accounts inaccessible in order to limit the damage. Don't throw aroudn wi= th vendor names here in the forum but PM the mods if you have any informati= on that helps to protect this community.
=C2=A0
http://www.presseport= al.de/polizeipresse/pm/11562/2511405/pol-e-essen-hagen-hagener-polizei-fueh= rt-schlag-gegen-internethandel-mit-ecstasy-tabletten

I've= found some time to translate this article:

Since a couple of weeks= the police in Hagen is investigating a criminal group corperating from sev= eral citys in NRW (biggest Bundesland
in GER). The comissionership for= fighting organized crime has set up a special unit for this case. They sus= pected large trading of ecstasy
-tablets and amphetamine. Vendors and bu= yers got in contact through secured/isolated internet forums. Payment and= delivery of the
narcotics happened through the mail system. The suspect= s also used the internet currency Bitcoin for payment.
The officers of= the comissionership are currently assuming that approximately 65.000 ecsta= sy tablets with a value of more than 250.000=E2=82=AC
have been sold thi= s way. The consperative communication between the sucpects happened with hi= ghest technical knowhow, forcing the
investigators of the Hagen criminal= investigation department to expend huge technical effort and use conspirat= ive surveillance measures.
The intense investigations finally lead to a= positive outcome and identification of eight suspects in Essen, Herten, Un= na, Velbert (these
are citys) and in the Ennepe-Ruhr area. More suspects= , 19 to 26 years old were also identified in Rheinlandpfalz, Hessen and Bay= ern
(these are Bundesl=C3=A4nder).
The prosecutions of Essen, Bochum= , Wuppertal and Arnsberg requested search warrants, which were remitted fro= m the responsible courts.
With this the necessary requirements were give= n and on tuesday, 2. July 2013 at 6am the investigators striked simultaneou= sly at 11 different places in NRW and searched the residences of the suspec= ts. They confiscated 14.000=E2=82=AC in cash, trading paraphernalia and sma= ll amounts of drugs. Great interest was set on the confiscation of computer= s and data storage devices to find out more about the circumstances of the= crime. Eight German suspects from 21 to 31 years old were arrested.
Ev= en more searches occured at forenoon in the already mentioned Bundesl=C3=A4= nder targeting customers and contact persons in Fulda, Worms,
Weilheim= and Wittlich (citys). Not only small amounts of drugs, but also an assault= rifle and a cannabis plantation were found.
Most of the arrested suspec= ts confessed the crimes, confirmed the state of the investigations and help= ed the investigators to clear things
up. Most of the investigation resul= ts and knowledge about the trade with great number of ecstasy pills could= be confirmed.

Following investigations made the same day from crime= officers leading to Wickede at the Ruhr (a city) resulted in finding a til= l this
point unknown accomplice. A search of his residence resulted in= seizsure of more than 11.000 ectasy tablets with a value of more than
4= 0.000=E2=82=AC and a lot of other evidence, which confirmes big trading. Th= e 28 year old man and his girlfriend which is the same age were
arrested= . The woman was released later, while the 28 year old was remanded in custo= dy by the committing magistrate. The youngest of the
eight suspects was= also arraignment to the committing magistrate but released on parole.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: flashlight5 on July 11, 2013, 08:12= pm

Quote from: blauMaus on July 10,= 2013, 03:21 pm
I= think SR staff should intervene and at least temporarily block the account= s of the suspected vendors.
It is still possible that they give out PWs= while being questioned by LE.

All in all, i am wondering whether it= makes sense for a vendor to keep a list of buyers, he could offer
it to= LE in a deal... But on the other side, it is then evident that he had this= lot of customers so bad for him again.
If i got it right from the news= articles, then LE could prove 350 trades to PF? So after that he might thi= nk
it would be clever to hand out more information about customers.
<= /blockquote>
=

That is a big concern of mine too. Once linking the account to hi= m, they know, he has done the deals anyways... snitching, unfortunately is= something many people do, when in big trouble.... and in SR they don't eve= n know the people they are snitching on. IF you are one of the 350, they wo= n't come to your door and talk... more likely, they will put you in some cr= eepy database and maybe do a bag search during the next traffic stop or som= e shit... due to probable cause..=C2=A0 :( :(

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: flwrchlds9 on July 12, 2013, 12:59 am=

Quote
Even more searches occured at= forenoon in the already mentioned Bundesl=C3=A4nder targeting customers an= d contact persons in Fulda, Worms,
Weilheim and Wittlich (citys). Not on= ly small amounts of drugs, but also an assault rifle and a cannabis plantat= ion were found.

Most of the arrested suspects confessed the crimes,= confirmed the state of the investigations and helped the investigators to= clear things
up.=C2=A0

Most of the investigation results and kn= owledge about the trade with great number of ecstasy pills could be confirm= ed.

Most of the arrested suspects confessed the crimes, confirmed= the state of the investigations and helped the investigators to clear thin= gs
up.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 !!!!=C2=A0 :o=C2=A0 >:(=C2=A0 :-X

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: bbcooltwo on July 12, 2013, 02:43 am<= /strong>

I saw it for a few days and had thing about it.

Started a topic= in the off-topic corner:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic= =3D182683.0

I think the pills looks like the decibels and thumbs.But i think the people who are arrested are not somebody from a vendor tea= m.

I think this only would be some customers which resell the pills= and weren=C2=B4t careful enough.

There are no big xtc vendors in th= e german scene, so it couldn=C2=B4t be from a normal german board!
It de= fenitly have something to do with sr !

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: funyoungguy on July 12, 2013, 05:25= am

Really worried about a large order placed with Ah on the 27th, but says= shipped on the 29th. Should I be?=20

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: fucknuts on July 12, 2013, 06:10 am

Quote from: funyoungguy on July= 12, 2013, 05:25 am
Really worried about a large order placed with Ah on the 27th, but says sh= ipped on the 29th. Should I be?
=

If it were me, I'd be worried= enough to clean my house and be very careful when/if the package came.=C2= =A0 US/European LE is very cooperative.=C2=A0 Better safe than sorry.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: flashlight5 on July 12, 2013, 08:51= am

Quote from: funyoungguy on July= 12, 2013, 05:25 am
Really worried about a large order placed with Ah on the 27th, but says sh= ipped on the 29th. Should I be?
=

if its a good vendor, here al= ready deleted your add and you are fine.
there is a slim chance that the= y already were monitoring the mail he was sending.
if you need to sign= for it be careful. but if you get it, you'll be fine. they won't be allowe= d to distribute drugs and leave them ... of course.

better safe man!

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: flwrchlds9 on July 12, 2013, 12:05 pm=

Careful, monitor mail they send was how they get caught.=20

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: redalloverthelandguyhere on July 12,= 2013, 12:33 pm

The real risk comes when vendors have to do signed for deliveries. That= entails a visit to a post office or courier and a 'capture' on CCTV.
If law enforcement agencies target a vendor, the focus will be on the del= very methods vendors use. Buy a few listings (its legal for cops to buy dru= gs if they are trying to infiltrate) and look were the mail is coming from.= Buy a 'signed for' delivery, then its a simple matter of contacting the po= st offices own internal investigations and waiting for computer system to= flag up any given name or address.

All signed for post is on a dat= abase.

Once cops identify one suspect, its usually easy to follow= a trail to the co conspirators.

Also, bear in mind cops simply hire= the best in the field for computer forensics.

The most risk free= ventures will simply be posting small amounts into mail boxes and posting= in locations which alter every so many days. Also, many vendors seem to us= e the 'same' method of delivery. Same envelope, same logos. Once that is id= entified, its easy to get more serious in the investigation. So altering th= e look of the envelopes would help a lot. Also, change those return address= es often.

I think also that anyone buying to resell needs to be care= ful. Buying 50 grams or a kilo of speed, its obviously not personal use.
Guess this is a warning that we need to be on our toes. Vendors selli= ng big amounts are, IMO, the easiest to catch. I can order 28 grams of MDMA= for example, and get a tracking number which will lead to a time stamped= purchase which can lead to a look on the CCTV to ID the perp.

Be= safe.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: HarmReduction on July 14, 2013, 10:31= am

Surprised to see comments about shipments and pills not found l am zure= LE will read this thread and info by some could be useful to LE becareful= not to implicate yourself or others=20

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: goldenone on July 14, 2013, 05:25 pm<= /strong>

Most important piece of information here for me is that they ordered se= veral packages with tracking to a vendor to locate him.. If you are gonna= do packages with tracking you must understand that your danger of a bust= increases a lot... also is good for all people here to remember that there= are big institutions trying to bust vendors 24/7, is our job to make it th= e most difficult for them..

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: MarcelKetman on July 15, 2013, 01:30= am

Quote from: peaceloveharmony on= July 11, 2013, 12:11 am
On 2nd July the German police also busted some other internet drug op= eration which was selling XTC pills with payment via BTC. Its becoming quit= e scary in Germany as they busted 3 big online vendors in 1 week. Anyone kn= ows if this is also SR related (the report states that they were operating= on private forums)?

http://www.presseportal.de/polizeipresse/pm/115= 62/2511405/pol-e-essen-hagen-hagener-polizei-fuehrt-schlag-gegen-internetha= ndel-mit-ecstasy-tabletten

Somebody got busted in May as wel= l. At the time we thought it might have been PF but it turned out not to be= . Seems like the worst country to be a SR dealer. The cops are clearly very= much on the case.

I've never understood why vendors would use trac= king. It's the only way LE could possibly find your location. Idiotic and= I hope anyone else who offers tracking will remove the option in light of= this news.=20

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: WhiteShark on July 15, 2013, 01:41 am=

Quote from: MarcelKetman on July= 15, 2013, 01:30 am
Quote from: peaceloveharmony on Jul= y 11, 2013, 12:11 am
On 2nd July the German police also busted some other internet drug opera= tion which was selling XTC pills with payment via BTC. Its becoming quite= scary in Germany as they busted 3 big online vendors in 1 week. Anyone kno= ws if this is also SR related (the report states that they were operating= on private forums)?

http://www.presseportal.de/polizeipresse/pm/115= 62/2511405/pol-e-essen-hagen-hagener-polizei-fuehrt-schlag-gegen-internetha= ndel-mit-ecstasy-tabletten

Somebody got busted in May as wel= l. At the time we thought it might have been PF but it turned out not to be= . Seems like the worst country to be a SR dealer. The cops are clearly very= much on the case.

I've never understood why vendors would use trac= king. It's the only way LE could possibly find your location. Idiotic and= I hope anyone else who offers tracking will remove the option in light of= this news.

How would tracking help LE find your location?= If you originate the shipping labels from a remote location the following= of the tracking leads to nothing that can be connected with the vendor.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: MarcelKetman on July 15, 2013, 01:43= am

Quote from: goldenone on July 14= , 2013, 05:25 pm
Mo= st important piece of information here for me is that they ordered several= packages with tracking to a vendor to locate him.. If you are gonna do pac= kages with tracking you must understand that your danger of a bust increase= s a lot... also is good for all people here to remember that there are big= institutions trying to bust vendors 24/7, is our job to make it the most= difficult for them..

That's the bottom line. Using tracking= is idiotic. Any vendors doing so, need to cease.=20

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: Yousaf on July 15, 2013, 02:37 am

PF was growing cannabis and they found a cannabis plantation.=C2=A0=20

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: phoboss on July 15, 2013, 05:32 am

Look pls pls pls use gloves or super glue your tips but wear gloves end= of I'm pretty sure these giys would've been caught cos of their DNA and ak= so a fucking devil SNITCH bastard cunt so pls be careful vendors and buyers= alike ok don't never ever forget these words ok it's better to be safe tha= n sorry ok ie take precautions all of the time anyway I hope they can't pro= ve shit against those guys vendors or not I hope they walk out of court wit= h a smirk on their face and a middle finger scratching their back as they= walk out peace out people=20

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: m=C3=BCslix on July 15, 2013, 09:58= am

Quote from: MarcelKetman on July= 15, 2013, 01:43 am
That's the bottom line. Using tracking is idiotic. Any vendors doing so,= need to cease.

use a mailbox/mail forwarding service and res= hip it from another country. Or better: get it reshipped. Problem solved.
sine someone mentioned imprint: he got busted 1 year ago and word on= the street was that he and PF were friends in real life.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: mrmdma on July 15, 2013, 10:22 am

Quote from: phoboss on July 15,= 2013, 05:32 am
Loo= k pls pls pls use gloves or super glue your tips but wear gloves end of I'm= pretty sure these giys would've been caught cos of their DNA and akso a fu= cking devil SNITCH bastard cunt so pls be careful vendors and buyers alike= ok don't never ever forget these words ok it's better to be safe than sorr= y ok ie take precautions all of the time anyway I hope they can't prove shi= t against those guys vendors or not I hope they walk out of court with a sm= irk on their face and a middle finger scratching their back as they walk ou= t peace out people

Just a friendly tip. Even though we are on= a forum ridden by drugheads, please try to make your text even somewhat re= adable. This is so annoying and hard to read, I feel like like I need a dex= edrine to get through it!

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: experimental333 on July 15, 2013, 12:= 11 pm

The LE is catching up with SR. They are fine tuning their methods every= day. We have been underestimating them for a long time, thinking that TOR,= PGP etc will protect us. But we have to remember that they have decades of= police work experience under their belt and they know that the weakest lin= k in any system is always the human link. They know how to find people and= how to control the postal system. Now they just need to apply that knowled= ge to the new circumstances.
Have you heard about this program? https://= en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mail_Isolation_Control_and_Tracking
A speaker for= German Post recently said that every piece of mail going from GER to USA= is photographed. With that kind of database it's easy to track locations= form which vendors send their letters..

Once a vendor is arrested= and they have some evidence (like drugs possesion) he will do everything= to make his punishement as low as possible. He will not care about anonymo= us buyers that he never met IRL.
So make sure you protect yourself too,= and never trust any vendor too much.

Maybe the oldschool selling me= thods with email newsletters and vendor menus were more secure? I think wit= h the use of BTC they could be more secure for vendors and buyers.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: DrCol on July 15, 2013, 12:28 pm

Quote from: experimental333 on= July 15, 2013, 12:11 pm
Have you heard about this program? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mail= _Isolation_Control_and_Tracking
A speaker for German Post recently said= that every piece of mail going from GER to USA is photographed. With that= kind of database it's easy to track locations form which vendors send thei= r letters..

Easy to track locations?...I think not.
Even if they could, a serious vendor changes locations for mail out regul= arly, changes return address regularly etc...that kind of data would take= a very long time to track and trace. And then you would need to track the= drop.

I don't know...sounds like a long shot. But well advised gene= rally to keep cautious and alert.

Doc

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: Intraterrestrial on July 15, 2013, 12= :31 pm

Quote from: experimental333 on= July 15, 2013, 12:11 pm
The LE is catching up with SR. They are fine tuning their methods eve= ry day. We have been underestimating them for a long time, thinking that TO= R, PGP etc will protect us. But we have to remember that they have decades= of police work experience under their belt and they know that the weakest= link in any system is always the human link. They know how to find people= and how to control the postal system. Now they just need to apply that kno= wledge to the new circumstances.
Have you heard about this program? http= s://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mail_Isolation_Control_and_Tracking
A speaker= for German Post recently said that every piece of mail going from GER to= USA is photographed. With that kind of database it's easy to track locatio= ns form which vendors send their letters..

Once a vendor is arrested= and they have some evidence (like drugs possesion) he will do everything= to make his punishement as low as possible. He will not care about anonymo= us buyers that he never met IRL.
So make sure you protect yourself too,= and never trust any vendor too much.

Maybe the oldschool selling me= thods with email newsletters and vendor menus were more secure? I think wit= h the use of BTC they could be more secure for vendors and buyers.

Of course buyers should protect themselves as much as possible, agree= d. Bulk buyers/resellers in particular.

However if a vendor is buste= d, there is gonna be no incentive for them to give up any buyer information= except for perhaps bulk buyers

LE will not be interested in people= buying personal amounts, and the busted vendors will want to minimise LE's= perception of the scale of their operation

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: Revolutionista on July 15, 2013, 12:5= 1 pm

Ive always presumed that theres some pretty dangerous people buying on= SR. Are you really going to grass up someone with the funds and the balls= to order 10k pills? Personally id think twice. Any brief worth his money= wouldnt let his client divulge passwords if hes doing that kind of busines= s? How having the romanian mafia trying to track you down and skin you aliv= e will help matters i dont know, especially when your locked in jail? Perso= nally id take the extra 5 years just to know my family werent going to be= in danger.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: HarmReduction on July 15, 2013, 02:48= pm

WASHINGTON, July 4 (UPI) --

=C2=A0The U.S. Postal Service photog= raphs all mail processed nationwide in a program similar to U.S. electronic= surveillance, officials and security experts say.

"Basically they= are doing the same thing as the other programs, collecting the information= on the outside of your mail -- the metadata, if you will -- of names, addr= esses, return addresses and postmark locations, which gives the government= a pretty good map of your contacts, even if they aren't reading the conten= ts," computer security expert Bruce Schneier told The New York Times.
The warrantless surveillance program for law enforcement is called Mail= Isolation Control and Tracking. It's been in effect almost 11 years.
Last year alone Postal Service computers photographed the outside of abou= t 160 billion letters and parcels, the Times said.

It is not known= how long the government keeps the images, the newspaper said.

The= images are kept as part of a law enforcement surveillance technique known= as "mail covers."

Mail covers do not involve reading the mail itsel= f, just the outside information, and are not considered by the Postal Servi= ce or Justice Department to be constitutional violations since the outside= of envelopes and packages can readily be seen by anyone.

"It's a tr= easure trove of information," former FBI agent James Wedick told the Times.=

"Looking at just the outside of letters and other mail, I can see= who you bank with, who you communicate with -- all kinds of useful informa= tion that gives investigators leads that they can then follow up on with a= subpoena," said Wedick, who spent 34 years at the FBI and used mail covers= in a number of investigations.

But the program's sweeping nature di= sturbs some people.

"In the past, mail covers were used when you had= a reason to suspect someone of a crime," Mark Rasch, who started a compute= r crimes unit in the fraud section of the Justice Department's criminal div= ision, told the Times.

"Now it seems to be, 'Let's record everyone's= mail so in the future we might go back and see who you were communicating= with,'" he said. "Essentially you've added mail covers on millions of Amer= icans."

The Mail Isolation Control and Tracking program was created= after the anthrax attacks in late 2001 that killed five people, including= two postal workers, and infected 17 others.

The program was secret,= but the FBI cited it last month during its investigation into ricin-laced= letters sent to President Barack Obama and New York Mayor Michael Bloomber= g.

The FBI said in a criminal complaint June 7 a postal investigator= tracing the ricin letters was able to narrow the search to New Boston, Tex= as, actress Shannon Guess Richardson by examining front and back images of= 60 pieces of mail scanned just before and after the tainted letters were= sent to Obama and Bloomberg.

The data showed return addresses near= her home, the FBI said.

Richardson originally accused her husband,= Nathan Richardson, of mailing the letters, but investigators determined he= was at work when the letters were mailed.

Shannon Richardson was in= dicted and charged Friday in the mailing of the letters. She was also charg= ed with sending a third ricin letter to Mark Glaze, the executive director= of Mayors Against Illegal Guns.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: klm2233 on July 15, 2013, 04:48 pm

Quote from: Overjoyed on July 15= , 2013, 04:36 pm
Quote from: StillRuthless on July 15,= 2013, 04:34 pm
I= WONT STOP UNTIL MY VENDOR ACCOUNT IS REINSTATED

Fuck you and= fuck your vendor account. You are an idiotic scumbag. I hope that you die= slowly and painfully.

^^
this

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: MarcelKetman on July 15, 2013, 10:37= pm

Without mentioning too much detail, wtf just went down here?

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: WhiteShark on July 15, 2013, 11:18 pm=

some idiot vendor began posting a whole bunch of address, allegedly of= his customers, in attempt to threaten SR to reinstate his vendor account.<= br>
Idiot because:

1. Kept addresses
2. Posted them all over= multiple threads
3. Thought it would get SR to give him back a vendor= account

Clearly some sort of 18 year old "gangster" wannabe loser.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: bbcooltwo on July 15, 2013, 11:48 pm<= /strong>

If somebody knows something about proline, you could help some user in= another threat.
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=3D185285.0

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: MarcelKetman on July 16, 2013, 09:05= am

Quote from: WhiteShark on July= 15, 2013, 11:18 pm
some idiot vendor began posting a whole bunch of address, allegedly of his= customers, in attempt to threaten SR to reinstate his vendor account.
<= br>Idiot because:

1. Kept addresses
2. Posted them all over multi= ple threads
3. Thought it would get SR to give him back a vendor account=

Clearly some sort of 18 year old "gangster" wannabe loser.

dick

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: westb0xes on July 16, 2013, 09:44 pm<= /strong>

Quote from: BruceCampbell on Jul= y 09, 2013, 07:33 pm
Quote from: Jack N Hoff on July 09= , 2013, 07:22 pm
<= div class=3D"quoteheader">
Quote from: Quazee on July 09, 2013,= 07:10 pm
yikes, th= ese vendors with huge volume employing others to ship for them are bound to= get busted.=C2=A0 just saying can't trust peeps

I employ mul= tiple people in my operations.=C2=A0 It's impossible to distribute at a cer= tain level all by yourself.=C2=A0 You just have to run a tight ship.

rofl dont agree with that :D
It sucks but every Walter need= s a Jesse or two.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: westb0xes on July 16, 2013, 09:45 pm<= /strong>

Quote from: BruceCampbell on Jul= y 09, 2013, 07:53 pm
Gale had to go. You can't fuck a Gale, but you can fuck your Jesse.
<= br>=C2=A08)

a saul is the best :D

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: 12345 on July 22, 2013, 12:57 pm

only a few days gone and then this BS all over ....

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: Dingo Ate My Drugs on July 22, 2013,= 12:57 pm

Quote from: zookaa on July 09,= 2013, 03:37 pm
Uh= oh... not trying to spread FUD but isn't it a strange coincidence that las= t week the guy Pfandleiher disappeared, and AfterHour hasn't logged in for= 5 days?
And 18kg amphetamine seized... 1+1=3D....?
I'm a bit= late to this thread... But I'm fairly sure AfterHour, Dutchaanbod &Pfa= ndleiher have all admitted that they know each other / had the same MDMA su= pplier.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: Dingo Ate My Drugs on July 22, 2013,= 01:09 pm

Quote from: zookaa on July 10,= 2013, 04:41 pm
I= read somewhere that about 80% of SR buyers send their address information= unencrypted... and as you can see on his feedback he had a huge volume, th= ere will be a lot of orders in processing state. Now how many people have= their information unencrypted there... if LE logs into AHs account, that= will be a jackpot. I wonder how many people have kg of speed and MDMA orde= rs open..

IMHO SR Admins should take over the AfterHour account ASAP= to protect it from LE.

Edit: forgot to mention that even privnote= won't protect buyers, because most likely nobody read the privnote message= yet... it's still there waiting to be opened. So everybody who has their= info unencrypted or privnoted lying in AHs order box, should get their ass= ASAP up and do something
80% not encrypted sounds about right= for the orders I receive. I've had over 20 orders in one day and NONE of= them were encrypted.
It's a bit worrying, but it's ultimately the buyer= s responsibility.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: 12345 on July 22, 2013, 01:41 pm

Quote from: Dingo Ate My Drugs= on July 22, 2013, 01:09 pm
Quote from: zookaa on Jul= y 10, 2013, 04:41 pm
I read somewhere that about 80% of SR buyers send their address informat= ion unencrypted... and as you can see on his feedback he had a huge volume,= there will be a lot of orders in processing state. Now how many people hav= e their information unencrypted there... if LE logs into AHs account, that= will be a jackpot. I wonder how many people have kg of speed and MDMA orde= rs open..

IMHO SR Admins should take over the AfterHour account ASAP= to protect it from LE.

Edit: forgot to mention that even privnote= won't protect buyers, because most likely nobody read the privnote message= yet... it's still there waiting to be opened. So everybody who has their= info unencrypted or privnoted lying in AHs order box, should get their ass= ASAP up and do something
80% not encrypted sounds about right= for the orders I receive. I've had over 20 orders in one day and NONE of= them were encrypted.
It's a bit worrying, but it's ultimately the buyer= s responsibility.

OMG it seems we need rules to protect the= weakminded from them self...

I passed several good offers because= of the vendor has no encryption.
No public key ... no business with me= !

take care
12345

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: Dingo Ate My Drugs on July 22, 2013,= 02:23 pm

Quote from: 12345 on July 22, 20= 13, 01:41 pm
Quote from: Dingo Ate My Drugs on July= 22, 2013, 01:09 pm
Quote from: zookaa on July 10, 201= 3, 04:41 pm
I read= somewhere that about 80% of SR buyers send their address information unenc= rypted... and as you can see on his feedback he had a huge volume, there wi= ll be a lot of orders in processing state. Now how many people have their= information unencrypted there... if LE logs into AHs account, that will be= a jackpot. I wonder how many people have kg of speed and MDMA orders open.= .

IMHO SR Admins should take over the AfterHour account ASAP to prot= ect it from LE.

Edit: forgot to mention that even privnote won't pro= tect buyers, because most likely nobody read the privnote message yet... it= 's still there waiting to be opened. So everybody who has their info unencr= ypted or privnoted lying in AHs order box, should get their ass ASAP up and= do something
80% not encrypted sounds about right for the orders= I receive. I've had over 20 orders in one day and NONE of them were encryp= ted.
It's a bit worrying, but it's ultimately the buyers responsibility.=
<= /div>

OMG it seems we need rules to protect the weakminded from th= em self...

I passed several good offers because of the vendor has no= encryption.
No public key ... no business with me!

take care12345
+1

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: sleeptight on July 22, 2013, 08:43 pm=

Quote from: Intraterrestrial on= July 15, 2013, 12:31 pm
LE will not be interested in people buying personal amounts

I doubt that. Especially in Germany. People here get their homes raide= d for buying small amounts of illegal fireworks.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: cryngie on July 22, 2013, 11:59 pm

Quote from: 12345 on July 22, 20= 13, 01:41 pm
Quote from: Dingo Ate My Drugs on July= 22, 2013, 01:09 pm
Quote from: zookaa on July 10, 201= 3, 04:41 pm
I read= somewhere that about 80% of SR buyers send their address information unenc= rypted... and as you can see on his feedback he had a huge volume, there wi= ll be a lot of orders in processing state. Now how many people have their= information unencrypted there... if LE logs into AHs account, that will be= a jackpot. I wonder how many people have kg of speed and MDMA orders open.= .

IMHO SR Admins should take over the AfterHour account ASAP to prot= ect it from LE.

Edit: forgot to mention that even privnote won't pro= tect buyers, because most likely nobody read the privnote message yet... it= 's still there waiting to be opened. So everybody who has their info unencr= ypted or privnoted lying in AHs order box, should get their ass ASAP up and= do something
80% not encrypted sounds about right for the orders= I receive. I've had over 20 orders in one day and NONE of them were encryp= ted.
It's a bit worrying, but it's ultimately the buyers responsibility.=
<= /div>

OMG it seems we need rules to protect the weakminded from th= em self...

I passed several good offers because of the vendor has no= encryption.
No public key ... no business with me!

take care12345

Wouldn't worry about addresses that aren't encrypted= as they will have his/her computer access to SR account most likely so the= n access to there pgp key soonly a matter of time before they have everythi= ng encrypted or not

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: zookaa on July 23, 2013, 02:02 pm

Quote from: sleeptight on July= 22, 2013, 08:43 pm
I doubt that. Especially in Germany. People here get their homes raided fo= r buying small amounts of illegal fireworks.

Exactly, especia= lly in germany!
As some of you may know.... the germans are very thoroug= h, accurate and detailed people.
You can be sure that german LE will fol= low every single trail, no matter how small that trail may be... even if it= 's 1g of Weed, they will come and visit you.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: cactuschomper on July 23, 2013, 10:22= pm

damn glad i saw this thread

gives me a wakeup call about my vend= or accounts

stay on your toes guys!

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: bluehorn on July 24, 2013, 03:30 am

Quote from: zookaa on July 23,= 2013, 02:02 pm
Quote from: sleeptight on July 22, 2013= , 08:43 pm
I doubt= that. Especially in Germany. People here get their homes raided for buying= small amounts of illegal fireworks.

Exactly, especially in= germany!
As some of you may know.... the germans are very thorough, acc= urate and detailed people.
You can be sure that german LE will follow ev= ery single trail, no matter how small that trail may be... even if it's 1g= of Weed, they will come and visit you.

As someone who severa= l times spent 10 minutes splitting club/restaurant bills with a group of Ge= rmans , I agree. Very thorough, accurate and detailed indeed.=C2=A0 ::)

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: flwrchlds9 on July 24, 2013, 07:02 am=

Quote
As someone who several times sp= ent 10 minutes splitting club/restaurant bills with a group of Germans , I= agree. Very thorough, accurate and detailed indeed.=C2=A0 ::)
Nein, nein, nein!! Sie tun es perfekt!=C2=A0 ;D=C2=A0 Ah... eine Kunst!=20

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: zookaa on July 24, 2013, 12:31 pm

Quote from: bluehorn on July 24,= 2013, 03:30 am
Quote from: zookaa on July 23, 2013, 02= :02 pm
Quote from: sleeptight on July 22, 2013, 08:43= pm
I doubt that.= Especially in Germany. People here get their homes raided for buying small= amounts of illegal fireworks.
<= div class=3D"botslice_quote">

Exactly, especially in germany= !
As some of you may know.... the germans are very thorough, accurate an= d detailed people.
You can be sure that german LE will follow every sing= le trail, no matter how small that trail may be... even if it's 1g of Weed,= they will come and visit you.
<= div class=3D"botslice_quote">

As someone who several times= spent 10 minutes splitting club/restaurant bills with a group of Germans= , I agree. Very thorough, accurate and detailed indeed.=C2=A0 ::)

HEHEHE
Now picture german LE like this.... :)

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: Jigsaw1234 on July 31, 2013, 06:06 am=

Quote from: zookaa on July 23,= 2013, 02:02 pm
Quote from: sleeptight on July 22, 2013= , 08:43 pm
I doubt= that. Especially in Germany. People here get their homes raided for buying= small amounts of illegal fireworks.

Exactly, especially in= germany!
As some of you may know.... the germans are very thorough, acc= urate and detailed people.
You can be sure that german LE will follow ev= ery single trail, no matter how small that trail may be... even if it's 1g= of Weed, they will come and visit you.

OK, this is a bit exa= ggerated.

We Germans are supposed to be thorough and accurate and th= at might be true in many daily situations like splitting a restaurant bill= but German LE has the same constraints regarding budgets and personal just= like LE all over the world. This forces them to allocate their resources= effectively and efficiently. Especially in the states that are ruled by th= e liberal parties (like Berlin and Hamburg for example), drug laws are very= soft (compared to other countries) and harsh police investigations (like= search warrants) are rarely executed against small time consumers. A frien= d of mine got busted with 25g of HQ weed in his car and even though he has= several drug records already, the cops did not search his house, he did no= t go to jail, not even to court! Only had to pay a fine of 1.400 =E2=82=AC= (a pleasant surprise).

Nevertheless, things are different in more= conservative (and richer) states like Bavaria (I think AH and PL were arre= sted over there, right?). Police actions as well as punishments are suppose= d to be much more severe over there and search warrants are executed for th= e smallest reasons.

Anyways, please don't get wrong, I really don't= wanna say that you shouldn't care about not getting caught and that securi= ty and stealth is a minor issue over here since it is not!!! Everybody who= is engaged with illegal substances should always try to avoid detection wi= th all possible means no matter in which country and me personally I go for= maximum stealth wherever I can!

I just wanted to share some first-h= and experience=C2=A0 ;)

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: cactuschomper on July 31, 2013, 06:12= am

Quote from: Jigsaw1234 on July= 31, 2013, 06:06 am
Quote from: zookaa on July 23, 2013= , 02:02 pm
Quote from: sleeptight on July 22, 2013,= 08:43 pm
I doubt= that. Especially in Germany. People here get their homes raided for buying= small amounts of illegal fireworks.

Exactly, especially in= germany!
As some of you may know.... the germans are very thorough, acc= urate and detailed people.
You can be sure that german LE will follow ev= ery single trail, no matter how small that trail may be... even if it's 1g= of Weed, they will come and visit you.

OK, this is a bit exa= ggerated.

We Germans are supposed to be thorough and accurate and th= at might be true in many daily situations like splitting a restaurant bill= but German LE has the same constraints regarding budgets and personal just= like LE all over the world. This forces them to allocate their resources= effectively and efficiently. Especially in the states that are ruled by th= e liberal parties (like Berlin and Hamburg for example), drug laws are very= soft (compared to other countries) and harsh police investigations (like= search warrants) are rarely executed against small time consumers. A frien= d of mine got busted with 25g of HQ weed in his car and even though he has= several drug records already, the cops did not search his house, he did no= t go to jail, not even to court! Only had to pay a fine of 1.400 =E2=82=AC= (a pleasant surprise).

Nevertheless, things are different in more= conservative (and richer) states like Bavaria (I think AH and PL were arre= sted over there, right?). Police actions as well as punishments are suppose= d to be much more severe over there and search warrants are executed for th= e smallest reasons.

Anyways, please don't get wrong, I really don't= wanna say that you shouldn't care about not getting caught and that securi= ty and stealth is a minor issue over here since it is not!!! Everybody who= is engaged with illegal substances should always try to avoid detection wi= th all possible means no matter in which country and me personally I go for= maximum stealth wherever I can!

I just wanted to share some first-h= and experience=C2=A0 ;)

+1 My friend!

Good to hear som= e first hand experience, I always wondered how the drug enforcement laws va= ried in different parts of Germany=C2=A0 :P

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: bluedev1 on July 31, 2013, 07:47 am

Quote from: AbuNazir on July 09,= 2013, 03:30 pm
Not= much point in focusing on buyers unless they are high volume for resale.= A lot easier to go after the vendors and then try to go up their supply ch= ain. Stay safe.

Actually I disagree.=C2=A0 If enough buyers= started getting busted, a lot of people might become too afraid to buy.=C2= =A0 That would achieve the same end, speaking strictly in terms of preventi= ng money from going to dealers.

I don't want to go through any more= scary scenarios here but I don't think anyone should be getting comfy.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: DrMDA on July 31, 2013, 09:43 am

Buyers have nothing to worry about unless you are buying large quantiti= es clearly for resale and even then they have nothing on you as long as you= close shop or move shop. They need to get you with something and not just= have some record of some dirtbag having sent you something.

Buyers= supplying unencrypted addresses makes me cringe. Most don't and although= I strongly suggest they do on all of my pages and make my key available on= every page of mine including the signature of all my forum posts most stil= l don't do it. There's no excuse. Gpg4win is idiot proof and takes 1 minute= . Just do it.

Vendors should encrypt their entire hard drive with Tr= ueCrypt. It takes one night to do. You can encrypt all the individual files= you want but there will always be traces of your activities on the hard dr= ive so just encrypt the whole thing. My whole drive is encrypted and if I= ever hear the slightest sound outside my door I immediately hit the power= button. Let them try to break a 30 character meaningless password :-)
<= br>Vendors need to change up their shipping times, locations, and LABELS.= I use a different return address every time. All it takes is one package= to get intercepted to compromise ALL packages if you are using the same re= turn address on everything. Remember they take and save a picture of of lab= els now.

Vendors should ideally be 1 person operations. If one perso= n falls everyone does. Therefore have no others. You guys talk encryption= and bitcoin and Tor and this and that but you know what it takes for LE to= bust a huge SR vendor? To have one of the parties involved get pulled over= driving high, or one get caught hanging out at his friends grow house when= it gets raided, or have someone he loves take a huge fall. Then he flips= and whole operation gets busted regardless of all the encryption and anony= mity. I know one guy who caught a huge case by getting side swiped by a dri= ver who plowed through a redlight. The paramedics pulled him and several kg= s from his car. It wasn't his fault, but he did 10 years. Keep operations= small so you have no one to worry about but yourself.=20

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: Quazee on August 01, 2013, 02:21 am

Quote from: DrMDA on July 31, 20= 13, 09:43 am
Buyers= have nothing to worry about unless you are buying large quantities clearly= for resale and even then they have nothing on you as long as you close sho= p or move shop. They need to get you with something and not just have some= record of some dirtbag having sent you something.

Buyers supplying= unencrypted addresses makes me cringe. Most don't and although I strongly= suggest they do on all of my pages and make my key available on every page= of mine including the signature of all my forum posts most still don't do= it. There's no excuse. Gpg4win is idiot proof and takes 1 minute. Just do= it.

Vendors should encrypt their entire hard drive with TrueCrypt.= It takes one night to do. You can encrypt all the individual files you wan= t but there will always be traces of your activities on the hard drive so= just encrypt the whole thing. My whole drive is encrypted and if I ever he= ar the slightest sound outside my door I immediately hit the power button.= Let them try to break a 30 character meaningless password :-)

Vendo= rs need to change up their shipping times, locations, and LABELS. I use a= different return address every time. All it takes is one package to get in= tercepted to compromise ALL packages if you are using the same return addre= ss on everything. Remember they take and save a picture of of labels now.
Vendors should ideally be 1 person operations. If one person falls ev= eryone does. Therefore have no others. You guys talk encryption and bitcoin= and Tor and this and that but you know what it takes for LE to bust a huge= SR vendor? To have one of the parties involved get pulled over driving hig= h, or one get caught hanging out at his friends grow house when it gets rai= ded, or have someone he loves take a huge fall. Then he flips and whole ope= ration gets busted regardless of all the encryption and anonymity. I know= one guy who caught a huge case by getting side swiped by a driver who plow= ed through a redlight. The paramedics pulled him and several kgs from his= car. It wasn't his fault, but he did 10 years. Keep operations small so yo= u have no one to worry about but yourself.
+1 sound advice
can't stress that enough about keeping the operation small. Do we really= need "wal-mart" type vendors...really wtf

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: Jason Bourne on August 01, 2013, 07:1= 3 am

Quote from: DrMDA on July 31, 20= 13, 09:43 am
Buyers= have nothing to worry about unless you are buying large quantities clearly= for resale and even then they have nothing on you as long as you close sho= p or move shop. They need to get you with something and not just have some= record of some dirtbag having sent you something.

It's great= you want to help, but don't assume that being a new US domestic vendor qua= lifies you to give adequate advice about the German judicial system. Your= statement is not only completely undocumented, a mere transfer of what you= assume to be valid in your home country (which I can't really imagine to= be true, btw, but this is only an assumption), but also through and throug= h inaccurate.
I dunno about fireworks, but I know (as in: I'm 100% sure= not to mislead anyone out of my own ignorance) that a while ago German pol= ice busted quite a few people who ordered MJ seeds from an Austrian webshop= . This was done based on the sales=C2=A0 log (I don't remember how they obt= ained that log, but I believe, through hacking or data interception) of thi= s seed shop. Everyone on the log was payed a visit, not just bulk buyers.
So every statement of yours is actually false. Please refrain from po= sting such potentially harmfull BS when obviously you don't have a clue wha= t you're talking about.

Quo= te from: DrMDA on July 31, 2013, 09:43 am

Buyers supplying unencrypted addresses makes me= cringe. Most don't and although I strongly suggest they do on all of my pa= ges and make my key available on every page of mine including the signature= of all my forum posts most still don't do it. There's no excuse. Gpg4win= is idiot proof and takes 1 minute. Just do it.

Vendors should encry= pt their entire hard drive with TrueCrypt. It takes one night to do. You ca= n encrypt all the individual files you want but there will always be traces= of your activities on the hard drive so just encrypt the whole thing. My= whole drive is encrypted and if I ever hear the slightest sound outside my= door I immediately hit the power button. Let them try to break a 30 charac= ter meaningless password :-)

Vendors need to change up their shippin= g times, locations, and LABELS. I use a different return address every time= . All it takes is one package to get intercepted to compromise ALL packages= if you are using the same return address on everything. Remember they take= and save a picture of of labels now.

This is common SR knowl= edge and 100% unrelated to this thread.

=
Quote from: DrMDA on July 31, 2013, 09:43 am
Vendors should ideally be 1 person op= erations. If one person falls everyone does. Therefore have no others.
<= /blockquote>
=

Thanks for sharing your opinion. Again, do not write that as if= it was the unquestionable truth.

Quote from: DrMDA on July 31, 2013, 09:43 am
You guys talk encryption and bitcoin and= Tor and this and that but you know what it takes for LE to bust a huge SR= vendor?
Yes: you obviously, don't. This is what this thread is= about. A huge SR vendor (ring) getting busted as a result of a year long= police operation.

Quote from= : DrMDA on July 31, 2013, 09:43 am
To have one of the parties involved get pulled over driving= high, or one get caught hanging out at his friends grow house when it gets= raided, or have someone he loves take a huge fall. Then he flips and whole= operation gets busted regardless of all the encryption and anonymity. I kn= ow one guy who caught a huge case by getting side swiped by a driver who pl= owed through a redlight. The paramedics pulled him and several kgs from his= car. It wasn't his fault, but he did 10 years.

This is gett= ing pathetic. You didn't even read this thread, yet act like you knew it al= l. This crackdown was (to my knowledge) the only large scale SR drug ring= ever being shut down so far.

Quote from: DrMDA on July 31, 2013, 09:43 am
Keep operations small so you have no one to= worry about but yourself.

Great piece of advice from proven= reliable source of information.

Have my 2 satoshis:
STFU. You'd= spare yourself some ridicule, DrMDA.

Quote from: Quazee on August 01, 2013, 02:21 am
+1 sound advice
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LOL=

Peace out.
Jason=20

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: bluedev1 on August 01, 2013, 07:20 am=

thank you from saving me some energy Jason.=C2=A0 though I admit I stop= ped reading as soon as I hit "Buyers have nothing to worry about unless you= are buying large quantities"-- foolish would be putting it gently.=C2=A0=

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: samesamebutdifferent on August 01, 20= 13, 07:23 am

Too many people throw around subjective opinions like they are qualifie= d facts, this concerns me most when those opinions could affect someones li= berty.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: DrMDA on August 01, 2013, 07:47 am

You know what. Fuck you. Do what you want. I am trying to help people.= I am someone very very experienced in this field and have spent years figh= ting very big cases and watching others fight very big cases. I have seen= countless discoveries and documents detailing the inside of police investi= gations, details that don't make it into newspapers. Don't you tell me what= I know. If you don't want my advice then fine fuck you. I will keep to mys= elf and to my customers. Have a good day Nazi..... Oh and by the way, the= reason I know this shit so well is because in the US you are going to be= locked in a 8 x 6 cage for LIFE if you slip up just once, and not just do= a couple fucking years in a country club EU prison after spending years ou= t free on appeal after appeal. When one fucking slip up means life in priso= n you tend to wise up real quick or get fucked.=C2=A0

... Yep= just like idiots in this forum to take the side of a guy who's profile loc= ation is "Your Mas'. If I'm not on a job, that is." and whose name is after= some stupid ass teenage movie. Same idiots who are swearing by acetone was= hes for purity tests.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: White 0ut on August 01, 2013, 08:21= am

+1 DrMDA

Get off his ass guys, it's not like he's being a tr= oll or anything...

It's a lot more intelligent post then one about= a vendor asking to mail dogshit to someone, this gets scrutinized? &= that gets 11+ pages?

Bah, get real....

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: Jason Bourne on August 01, 2013, 12:3= 0 pm

Quote from: DrMDA on August 01,= 2013, 07:47 am
You= know what. Fuck you.
Now that is some raw internet anger here.<= br>
Quote from: DrMDA on August= 01, 2013, 07:47 am
Do what you want. I am trying to help people.

I do realize= you try to help. You fail to see you don't qualify for that. You know this= saying: the road to hell is paved with good intentions? I explained that= nothing you stated was true. You don't even bother proving me wrong. So wh= at you do instead is call me names. Fine: I'm not a new vendor building a= rep. You're doing great providing help btw.=C2=A0

Quote from: DrMDA on August 01, 2013, 07:47 am
I am someone very very= experienced in this field and have spent years fighting very big cases and= watching others fight very big cases. I have seen countless discoveries an= d documents detailing the inside of police investigations, details that don= 't make it into newspapers.

5mins of reading into this threa= d it what it takes to understand this bust, 5 more and you'd have understoo= d my points, thus admitting the dangers in making false claims you present= as facts. It seems you lost yourself somewhere, as I understand you had qu= ite a head start with all that insider knowledge.=C2=A0 =C2=A0

Quote from: DrMDA on August 01, 2013, 07= :47 am
Don't you te= ll me what I know.

My post was about all you don't know.
Quote from: DrMDA on August 01= , 2013, 07:47 am
If= you don't want my advice then fine fuck you.

It is funny to= note you still consider the bundle of horsecrap, syllogisms and false clai= ms of yours as "advice". It is not. You endanger people. But maybe you were= referring to simplistic generalities you could look up in the FAQ or Newbi= e Stickied? Thanks for that.
Again absolutely appropriate in this threa= d.

Quote from: DrMDA on Augu= st 01, 2013, 07:47 am
I will keep to myself and to my customers.

Now you got my= point. It took a lot of anger outbursts, but finally, you understood.
= You have 6 transactions so far, not sure this behavior will encourage any= new ones, but have it your way.

Quote from: DrMDA on August 01, 2013, 07:47 am
Have a good day Nazi..... Oh and by the way= , the reason I know this shit so well is because in the US you are going to= be locked in a 8 x 6 cage for LIFE if you slip up just once, and not just= do a couple fucking years in a country club EU prison after spending years= out free on appeal after appeal. When one fucking slip up means life in pr= ison you tend to wise up real quick or get fucked.=C2=A0
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You don= 't make any sense at all here.

Quote from: DrMDA on August 01, 2013, 07:47 am
... Yep just like idiots in this forum to tak= e the side of a guy who's profile location is "Your Mas'. If I'm not on a= job, that is." and whose name is after some stupid ass teenage movie. Same= idiots who are swearing by acetone washes for purity tests.

= Now, you know how to make friends. This is important as a new vendor, espec= ially if you manage to befriend the mods. I am personally rather taken away= each time I'm called an idiot for the sole reason of disagreeing. I guess= you could count on their instant support from now on.
Know that I am= deeply offended by your defamation on my accounts name + description, the= same way I would be IRL, if you'd laugh about my clothing. Ouch, you hit= a nerve here.

Ps:Cute kitty on your profile, much more mature than= that teenager avatar of mine, indeed.

Quote from: White 0ut on August 01, 2013, 08:21 am

+1 DrMDA

Get= off his ass guys, it's not like he's being a troll or anything...

I= t's a lot more intelligent post then one about a vendor asking to mail dogs= hit to someone, this gets scrutinized? & that gets 11+ pages?

Ba= h, get real....

W0:
How would you define someone stumbling= into a thread, obviously without reading it first, posting false and dange= rous claims unrelated to the topic, as if they were facts. Then, when prove= n wrong point after point, using solid and verifiable arguments, thus expos= ing the erroneous, as well as dangerous nature of the produced arguments,= immediately starts throwing insults, yet persisting with his claims?
I= would call him a troll, but I'm OK if we disagree.

And to you this= attitude would be by far more intelligent, than a joke I cracked in an tot= ally unrelated thread regarding a DOD episode? Would you mind explaining th= at to me? I fail to see any link here.
What I do see is a syllogism and= a personal attack resembling the ones I commented above.

I'm done= with you both. Please refrain from answering insults or further attacks on= my avatar/previous posts. I am interested that this thread doesn't get loc= ked.

Peace out.
Jason.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: bluehorn on August 01, 2013, 02:44 pm=

+1 Bourne for providing what Id like to call a fresh breeze. Even thoug= h it was wasted on the "Dr" MDA,=C2=A0 I feel surprisingly refreshed now.=

Thank you

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: White 0ut on August 01, 2013, 07:09= pm

I was just simply stating that there are a lot more uneducated post in= these forums that need your input...

I wasn't meaning to offend or= anything, I just think that back & forth arguing with someone is irrel= evant, especially here!

I can see you've stated your case & wish= to move on! That's awesome +1 for you... Thank you for your input on this= subject and I look forward to more knowledgable post by you.

Title: Re: Big Germany bust. Arrest of Silkroad vendor a big ma= ybe.
Post by: funyoungguy on August 06, 2013, 09:26= pm

jeeez=C2=A0 someone pass the popcorn.. lol=C2=A0 I'm here to get update= s on the arrests and prosecution. anyone have any updates?=20

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