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Discussion =3D> Silk Road discussion =3D> Topic= started by: AussieMitch on May 17, 2013, 12:59 am

Title: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED<= br> Post by: AussieMitch on May 17, 2013, 12:59 am=: Read for yourself guys... and stay safe:

http://www.bordermail.c= om.au/story/1508217/jail-time-for-web-drug-trafficker/?cs=3D2452

A= man has become the first Illawarra person - and one of only a handful nati= onwide - to be convicted of trafficking drugs via an underground website.
Christopher Owen was yesterday jailed for a minimum 5=C2=BD years for= selling large amounts of drugs via the Silk Road - an anonymous, online dr= ug-trading website in which buyers pay for illegal substances using the Bit= coin virtual currency.

Wollongong District Court was told by the pro= secution that Owen ran a "reasonably sophisticated" drug operation out of= two rooms in his parents' Figtree home, shipping MDMA (ecstasy), the horse= tranquiliser ketamine and methylamphetamine to customers across the countr= y.

Police documents tendered to the court said police found various= amounts of drugs organised in Australia Post envelopes when Owen was pulle= d over and his car searched in West Wollongong on April 27 last year.
The envelopes were addressed to different people across the country. Poli= ce also found more than $1000 cash and two mobile phones linked to Owen's= drug deals in the car.

However, the full extent of the drug operati= on was not known until officers searched Owen's recently renovated bedroom.=

Inside, they found a "mini office" with computers, a safe, drugs,= scales, cutting agents, about $14,000 in cash and a drug ledger with a rec= ord of transactions.

An examination of Owen's mobile phone revealed= a user name and password for the Silk Road website, of which he was an act= ive member for about two months.

An entry on the site spruiking Owen= 's wares promised "high quality crystal meth and high end MDMA".

"My= goal is a happy customer, unlike most (not all) meth dealers you meet face= to face," Owen wrote in an April 18, 2012, entry on the site.

The= court heard records from the website showed Owen supplied 172 MDMA pills= in 28 separate transactions from April 16 to April 26 last year, as well= as shipping three packages of unknown drugs in separate transactions durin= g the same period.

In return, he received 1689.49 "Bitcoin" - the eq= uivalent of $8447.45.

The court heard that Owen became hooked on ice= when he was 20 but managed to keep his addiction and drug operation a secr= et from his parents.
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Judge Paul Conlon yesterday= accepted that Owen had no prior criminal convictions, had good prospects= of rehabilitation and had entered guilty pleas at the earliest opportunity= , entitling him to a 25 per cent discount on his final sentence.

He= ordered Owen to spend a minimum of 5=C2=BD years in jail with a further fi= ve years on parole.

With time already served, Owen will be eligible= for parole on October 26, 2017.
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: bbbaac on May 17, 2013, 01:05 am: he was pulled over and sounds young so obviously his driving was a fact= or and was what probably got him in all this trouble...
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: GUS on May 17, 2013, 01:12 am: do we know what vendor it was?
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: GUS on May 17, 2013, 01:16 am: im sure some1 can figure out who it was?

I feel bad for this guy= , but a few lessons to be learnt

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An examination of Owen's mobile phone revealed a user name and passwor= d for the Silk Road website

I mean=C2=A0 COME ON. Dont you have= a fucking brain??!?!? Why do u have to record this?

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nside, they found a "mini office" with computers,= a safe, drugs, scales, cutting agents

cutting agents.. asshole
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<= /div>
"high quality crystal meth= and high end MDMA".

obviously not.. if your cutting it
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: SOUTHPAW on May 17, 2013, 01:22 am: = Quote from: bbbaac on May 17, 2013, 01:05 am
he was pulled over and sounds young so obviously= his driving was a factor and was what probably got him in all this trouble= ...

I would suspect they had been watching him for some time= and knew he was up to dealing..The random traffic stops that produce such= operations is very rare, however I am not that familiar with the Aussie op= s. ;)

This is a perfect example of why you need to keep things safe.= =C2=A0 =C2=A0A FUCKING LEDGER! Come on, code that muther, or better yet don= 't keep one.

Pass codes in your cell, crymi mate this has to open so= me eyes..

Yes it would be nice to know the vendor name..
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: bbbaac on May 17, 2013, 01:24 am: you suspest they were watching him drop letters in a mailbox everyday= ? i doubt that unless he was dealing highly outside SR in his community wh= ich would be stupid in my opinion
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: AussieMitch on May 17, 2013, 01:49 am=: = Quote from: bbbaac on May 17, 2013, 01:05 am
he was pulled over and sounds young so obviously= his driving was a factor and was what probably got him in all this trouble= ...

Yes, it definitely sounds like his long incarceration cou= ld have been avoided. The sad thing is the police can make a million mistak= es but we can only afford to make one.

The main pieces of evidence= he left that could have been avoided:
1. Mobile phones linking him to= drug transactions
2. A ledger of his transactions (NEVER do this)
3.= His Silk Road user name and password (Obviously this should be very long= and stored only in your memory)
4. Trafficable amounts of drugs kept on= his property (Keep them buried in the woods or store them in a safe locati= on when not in use like a post box in the area you control or at a trusted= friends house with no criminal record. Burying them is best obviously)
= 5. Unexplainable cash
6. Driving a car that even had the slightest risk= in being pulled over (I'm just speculating here but it seems likely he was= either driving a suss vehicle, driving a car in his own name or driving er= ratically. I personally won't transport drugs in any vehicle that an old wo= man wouldn't drive)
7. Scales and cutting agents with no plausible denia= bility as to why one would have those items.

Vendors take note, it's= better to learn from someone else's mistakes than your own!
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: streetelitist on May 17, 2013, 01:57= am: = Quote from: bbbaac on May 17, 2013, 01:24 am
you suspest they were watching him drop letters= in a mailbox everyday ? i doubt that unless he was dealing highly outside= SR in his community which would be stupid in my opinion
Police= around the world have actually been tracing packages and staking out mailb= oxes/Postal Offices to see who is dropping off an unusual amount of package= s every week.=20
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: SOUTHPAW on May 17, 2013, 02:06 am: = Quote from: bbbaac on May 17, 2013, 01:24 am
you suspest they were watching him drop letters= in a mailbox everyday ? i doubt that unless he was dealing highly outside= SR in his community which would be stupid in my opinion

How'= s your opinion on all of this;

"The main pieces of evidence he= left that could have been avoided:
1. Mobile phones linking him to drug= transactions
2. A ledger of his transactions (NEVER do this)
3. His= Silk Road user name and password (Obviously this should be very long and= stored only in your memory)
4. Trafficable amounts of drugs kept on his= property (Keep them buried in the woods or store them in a safe location= when not in use like a post box in the area you control or at a trusted fr= iends house with no criminal record. Burying them is best obviously)
5.= Unexplainable cash
6. Driving a car that even had the slightest risk in= being pulled over (I'm just speculating here but it seems likely he was ei= ther driving a suss vehicle, driving a car in his own name or driving errat= ically. I personally won't transport drugs in any vehicle that an old woman= wouldn't drive)
7. Scales and cutting agents with no plausible deniabil= ity as to why one would have those items.

Read the thread carefu= lly and you see there are many stupid things that can be seen. So how diffi= cult is it to think this dumb ass did a BUNCH more that was even more STUPI= D than what is mentioned here. They never, ever tell the true story to the= public. The more they can put unsettling thoughts in people's head the mor= e POWER they gain. Come on think for a minute. Do they really want us to kn= ow that this was more than a traffic stop. No, hell no. That would give up= far to much information on their operations.

Use some common sense= and read carefully before you post such stupid comments.=C2=A0 =C2=A0:)
Peace and Love....=C2=A0 ;)=C2=A0 Keep smiling
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: SOUTHPAW on May 17, 2013, 02:20 am: = Quote from: streetelitist on May 17, 2013, 01:57 am
Quote from: bbbaac on May 17, 2013, 01:24 am
you suspest they we= re watching him drop letters in a mailbox everyday ? i doubt that unless he= was dealing highly outside SR in his community which would be stupid in my= opinion
Police around the world have actually been tracing packa= ges and staking out mailboxes/Postal Offices to see who is dropping off an= unusual amount of packages every week.

As well every drop ma= il box has a camera focused on it. Just because you can't see it doesn't me= an it isn't there. Yes it is, it's called ZOOM lenses..=C2=A0

Nice= post street..=C2=A0 :)
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: RxKing on May 17, 2013, 02:33 am: One thing, and the MOST IMPORTANT thing is he DID NOT GET BUSTED BECAUS= E OF SILK ROAD!

Nor did he just get randomly pulled over and searche= d.

CLEARLY he had been drug dealing for some time.

Still suck= s for him. BUT the fact he=C2=A0 kept a ledger, his passwords ect...FUCK HI= M. He deserves to go to jail just on the fact he was very, very, very, stup= id.
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: paxpax on May 17, 2013, 02:39 am: Did a little fact checking on this. Other than the link provided I coul= d not find any court records or the original newspaper source.=20
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: thatswhatsup on May 17, 2013, 03:28= am: An opportunity for LE to become an established vendor.=C2=A0 Nice.=C2= =A0 Dumbfuck.
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: Fallkniven on May 17, 2013, 03:47 am<= /strong>: =C2=A0 -=C2=A0 15 May 09:30 Sentence Criminal District Unassigned=C2=A0= Wollongong=C2=A0 Unassigned=C2=A0 R v Christopher John Owen=C2=A0 20120013= 6800
=C2=A0 -=C2=A0 16 May 09:30 Sentence Criminal District Unassigned= =C2=A0 Wollongong=C2=A0 Unassigned=C2=A0 R v Christopher John Owen=C2=A0 20= 1200136800

Transcript hasn't been written up yet...?
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: Christy Nugs on May 17, 2013, 03:50= am: did he disobey rule # 1 ?????

never say anything when pinched ?= =C2=A0 prolly!

this is not evidence that any vendor here has been bu= sted by doing anything else but being stupid irl!

when LE decides to= spends the millions that it will take to mess with us is the day when real= shit will happen.
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: jase00 on May 17, 2013, 04:18 am: anyone know which vendor it was yet ?

that msg sounded familiar.= . but can't quite remember...
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: kneotac on May 17, 2013, 05:24 am: = Quote from: RxKing on May 17, 2013, 02:33 am
One thing, and the MOST IMPORTANT thing is he DID= NOT GET BUSTED BECAUSE OF SILK ROAD!

Nor did he just get randomly= pulled over and searched.

CLEARLY he had been drug dealing for some= time.

Still sucks for him. BUT the fact he=C2=A0 kept a ledger, his= passwords ect...FUCK HIM. He deserves to go to jail just on the fact he wa= s very, very, very, stupid.

Agree!
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: PoolPlaya on May 17, 2013, 06:35 am: whether he was being targeted before this traffic stop, we don't know.= =C2=A0 What's scary is this, he was keeping a ledger and he had his SR user= /pass right out in the open in his phone.=C2=A0 Which means LE could login= as him, see all his history which they can match up to his ledger to gain= a bigger picture.=C2=A0 They can take over his account and do all sorts of= nefarious shit.

As far as who it was, could be one of those times= where a trusted vendor had all the sudden stopped shipping and messaging= for a length of time.=C2=A0 When LE takes=C2=A0 it over, depending on what= they want to do with it, could easily make up some excuse for why they sto= pped shipping and answering messages.=C2=A0 Then from there, who knows what= they do.

The scary part is.... how many other vendors here keep led= gers of any kind, whether it be some spreadsheet on their PC or some paper= copy they have laying around.=C2=A0 How many keep our addresses in some sh= ape or form, for whatever reason.... to keep a list of their customers, to= have addresses to help pinpoint customers who might be trying to scam them= .=C2=A0

We know there are going to be security conscious vendors wh= o do everything to protect themselves and their customers, and there's goin= g to be vendors that try and be safe but are lax in certain areas and then= we got vendors who probably don't give a shit or vendors who aren't very= computer literate and therefore everything is out there in the open.
We just saw from the vendor that got hacked.=C2=A0 He fell for a easy to= spot fake message, then fell for clicking on some random site that got him= to give up his PIN number.=C2=A0 The message didn't even pass a PGP signat= ure verification.=C2=A0 We see all those vendors who say "ahh, pgp if you= have to, but not necessary"

One should not only be researching vend= ors who ship out as advertised product, who have good communication, who ha= ve good stealth, but also ones that you trust are probably not saving your= personal info in any way.

I've been in IT for over 2 decades and I= have seen it all, when it comes to what people do on their PC's.=C2=A0 Wha= t they save, where they save it and how stealthy they actually are.=C2=A0= You would be amazed at the amount of personal info that people save and ho= w easy they make to find it or be able to access it.
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: drop2410 on May 17, 2013, 06:36 am: if any vendor stores information; use TrueCrypt
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: morganeverett on May 17, 2013, 09:02= am: = Quote from: drop2410 on May 17, 2013, 06:36 am
if any vendor stores information; use TrueCry= pt

Shouldn't be more than a few kb worth of spreadsheet in th= e container plus additional filler material. Anything more is unnecessary.= That can be kept on thumb-drive for emergency destruction. But what do I= know, I'm not a vendor. If Serpent-Twofish-AES makes me look paranoid then= so be it.
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: BlackIris on May 17, 2013, 10:52 am: If the report is accurate (and it can also not be) then I wonder how ca= n one be so stupid.

Ledger? C'mon! Password + user account in a phon= e? Oh my... how can one be so imbecile? (if you need to store the pass some= where at the very least don't tie to it the username, ffs!)
Drugs and cu= tting agents in the place where he lives? C'mon!

Now the problem is= that LE (again if the report is true) can have all the addresses of the bu= yers (given the stupidity of the guy I would not bet either a cent that he= hasn't kept all the info of the people he made transactions with) and they= have an established vendor account to get even more until we cannot establ= ish who the person was here in the SR.

I cannot believe that people= can be so idiot, really, especially if you are a vendor.
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: motek on May 17, 2013, 11:29 am: Woollongong is a few hours drive south of Sydney Oz, and is almost be= described as=C2=A0 "a big country town" . . . any 20yo kid with a bit of= cash and a flash car, and no visible income becomes a target for local cop= s, who target the local kids anyway ... but, this kid was probably driving= a bit fast and got pulled, and in Oz, when they stop you, they dont really= need a 'reason' to search you,
just a "suspicion" you "might have" drug= s or weapons in the vehicle.=C2=A0

In Oz,=C2=A0 =C2=A0a traffic sto= p id one of the common methods cops bust people down here, shit, been done= 3 times myself from trafffic stops and subsequent searches!=C2=A0 =C2=A0So= they pulled this kid, and the contraband they found in the car, gave them= a reason to search his house...his parent's house where this "20 and bulle= tproof" kid felt completely secure . . . who knows what his parents did, bu= t he might/must have "thought" the cops would never raid them...and maybe= he was right, that is UNTIL the cops pull him over with tons of fuckin evi= dence! Fuck Me!=C2=A0 this is kinda scary for his customers sake!

= =C2=A0As many have commented=C2=A0 pool playa in particular, I have to agre= e, it=C2=A0 IS truly scary,
=C2=A0 BUT, fortunately we can fairly safel= y assume the "weak link in the chain" here, was the kid, and his driving/ca= r, and the high possibility his new found wealth was being flaunted and he= had made someone angry/jealous in this relatively small town (IIRC <50,= 000peeps) and IMO=C2=A0 Woolongong is infamous for it's traffic cops, coz= the main highway to/from Melbourne goes straight through it, and they are= fuckin everywhere in their hot as highway pursuit vehicles ...=C2=A0
<= br>As for what they "found" at his home.....faaaarkin hell!=C2=A0 Just faar= k!=C2=A0 I REALLY hope I dont know/do biz with any vendors like this!=C2=A0= =C2=A0wow...just WOW!
=C2=A0
=C2=A0man I drive at fuckin EXACTLY the= speed limit=C2=A0 for 15-20kms either side of any of these "regional citie= s" in Oz coz trhe coppers are just rabid,...and yes motek had had about 5= too many traffic tickets going through Woolongong! and dozens from regiona= l zones within 20kms of one of these big towns/small cities

And Wool= ongong is a Cunt of a place really, 20 odd years ago it was a dark dirty to= wn that kinda weirded me out, now they've tarted the place up and it's beco= me more touristy .... fucked if I can figure why anyone would WANT to go to= there, except when passing through, like about 50,000 cars a day do... lot= s of bored kids, and no doubt pissed off tweaskers also!
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: mdmafx on May 17, 2013, 11:49 am: Lots of things I'm sure vendors here don't think about. If you taking= a phone, especially an iPhone with you when doing your drops, turn it off= unless you want LE to have a mapped out log of where you have been.=C2=A0= Don't keep anything incriminating on it, a simple wipe or delete still all= ows for data to be retrieved from your phone. We know they will examine you= r phone and use it as evidence if they find anything, same as with SHADH1,= =20
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: trainsTrainsTRAINS on May 17, 2013,= 12:09 pm: = Quote from: motek on May 17, 2013, 11:29 am

......As for what they "found" at his home= .....faaaarkin hell!=C2=A0 Just faark!=C2=A0 I REALLY hope I dont know/do= biz with any vendors like this!=C2=A0 =C2=A0wow...just WOW!......

Uhhhh, yeah.=C2=A0 you'd think the cost of a vendor account would all= eviate these egregious missteps but apparently not.=C2=A0
I truly do fe= el bad reading these accounts from AUS though, very depressing.=C2=A0 They= seem to have quite the system going to eliminate problem citizens.=C2=A0= rough.=C2=A0 :-\
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: Tessellated on May 17, 2013, 05:01 pm=: = Quote from: AussieMitch on May 17, 2013, 12:59 am
...
In return, he received 1689.49 "Bitco= in" - the equivalent of $8447.45.
...

That does not sound= right.
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: Tessellated on May 17, 2013, 05:15 pm=: = Quote from: mdmafx on May 17, 2013, 11:49 am
Lots of things I'm sure vendors here don't think= about. If you taking a phone, especially an iPhone with you when doing you= r drops, turn it off unless you want LE to have a mapped out log of where= you have been.

Don't trust iPhones to turn off, they are sti= ll on even when off.

Get a phone where you can remove the battery.
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: chil on May 17, 2013, 05:46 pm: = Quote from: mdmafx on May 17, 2013, 11:49 am
Lots of things I'm sure vendors here don't think= about.

Yep, so many people impatiently jump into the game of= vending without having spent at least several MONTHS thinking about EVERY= DETAIL. So many mistakes here, stash at home, dealer material at home, USE= RNAME in your own phone, etc...Dumb Dumb.
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: beefy on May 17, 2013, 07:43 pm: wow, interesting article. but if he had cutting agents...hmmm perhaps= that's karma biting him on the ass?
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: seuss on May 17, 2013, 07:54 pm: = Quote from: Tessellated on May 17, 2013, 05:01 pm
Quote from: AussieMitch on May 17, 2013, 12:59= am
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In retu= rn, he received 1689.49 "Bitcoin" - the equivalent of $8447.45.
...
<= /blockquote>
=

That does not sound right.

Definitely wrong.=C2=A0= 1689.49 bitcoin would be 212,700 AUD.
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: bbhc52 on May 17, 2013, 08:28 pm: Any vendor running a decent sized OP probably has people working for hi= m, for example, we make our product in 1 state, we ship it from another, an= d our customer service department/owner lives in a different state. The ema= il accounts that are used to communicate between the company is a very expe= nsive email account that is secure, all messages we send use 4096 bit RSA= asymmetric key encryption and the account can be deleted with a click of= a bottom with nothing stored after the account is deleted. The FED's would= have to show up at the of shore hosting provider with warrants in hand the= n they would have to try to retrieve data that has been deleted from the se= rver and if they manage to get this far they would have to be able to break= the encryption before even reading a message. This being said there are wa= ys to communicate with out leaving yourself open to become a victim to LE.= Before anyone does anything they should always plan far enough ahead where= these types of problems never occur.
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: Fallkniven on May 17, 2013, 09:52 pm<= /strong>: = Quote from: seuss on May 17, 2013, 07:54 pm
Quote from: Tessellated on May 17, 2013, 05:01 pm<= /div>
Quote from: AussieMitch on= May 17, 2013, 12:59 am
...
In return, he received 1689.49 "Bitcoin" - the equivalent of $8= 447.45.
...

That does not sound right.

Defin= itely wrong.=C2=A0 1689.49 bitcoin would be 212,700 AUD.

Cour= t estimate actually works out to exactly $5 per coin - so they probably did= him a favor by doing that - if they had worked it out on a sale by sale ba= sis it could be much higher.

(after some searching, turns out coins= cost about $5 each back in april 2012)
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: DenoyerGeppert on May 18, 2013, 01:16= am: = Quote from: seuss on May 17, 2013, 07:54 pm
Quote from: Tessellated on May 17, 2013, 05:01 pm<= /div>
Quote from: AussieMitch on= May 17, 2013, 12:59 am
...
In return, he received 1689.49 "Bitcoin" - the equivalent of $8= 447.45.
...

That does not sound right.

Defin= itely wrong.=C2=A0 1689.49 bitcoin would be 212,700 AUD.

Actu= ally, 1 year ago when this guy was vending the price of bitcoin was under= $10. So yeah, that's pretty correct.=20
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: Technician on May 18, 2013, 02:08 am<= /strong>: 5 1/2 years for importing mass amounts of illegal narcotics?

Tha= t's well worth the risk.
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: Fallkniven on May 18, 2013, 02:25 am<= /strong>: 5 1/2 years of male on male non-consensual anal and oral sex - that's= enough incentive for me to use encryption instead of keeping a diary.
<= br>It's national news that he stored his passwords in his phone & more,= the entire prison will know this, old mate is in for a rough time.
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: bankofgt on May 18, 2013, 03:14 am: SHAD1 must of been this guys mentor.

Best of luck in the clink= with Big Bubba.

OUCH
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: Squirrel on May 18, 2013, 03:22 am: Quote
5 1/2 years of male on male non= -consensual anal and oral sex - that's enough incentive for me to use encry= ption instead of keeping a diary.

It's national news that he stored= his passwords in his phone & more, the entire prison will know this,= old mate is in for a rough time.

If he's young and/or in imminen= t danger in the general population, I'm sure they'll keep him segregated.= =C2=A0 Maybe.=C2=A0 But yeah, he's gonna be sore.=C2=A0 Hey honey, pass the= KY, will you?
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: HellInaHandBasket on May 18, 2013, 06= :32 am: = Quote from: seuss on May 17, 2013, 07:54 pm
Quote from: Tessellated on May 17, 2013, 05:01 pm<= /div>
Quote from: AussieMitch on= May 17, 2013, 12:59 am
...
In return, he received 1689.49 "Bitcoin" - the equivalent of $8= 447.45.
...

That does not sound right.

Defin= itely wrong.=C2=A0 1689.49 bitcoin would be 212,700 AUD.

BTC= wasn't always so expensive and if he has been convicted just now then he= was busted a fair while back.

@12.50 per BTC ( around Dec last year= I think it was about this price point.) its only about $22 000 so it is ac= tually more than likely the correct figure... I know who would have thought= that a figure used in sentencing someone was accurate? I'm sure his lawyer= would have been right onto it with ensuring as much as possible the facts= are correct.

Might be one of 3 I can think of off the top of my hea= d.... Will wait and see.

I'd refrain from going to any .gov.au sites= and reading this type of transcript without being sure you are being safe.= Use Tor and be very very sus on pdf files etc from these sites. I know if= I was a cop I'd be watching the people who are researching transcripts for= this trial especially so soon after... Just another piece to the puzzle fo= r em but still...
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: jase00 on May 18, 2013, 06:51 am: 5 years of getting raped for $20k (minus what you spend on getting the= product etc) doesn't really seem worth it..

unless ofcourse you enj= oy a good raping...=20
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: HellInaHandBasket on May 18, 2013, 07= :05 am: = Quote from: DenoyerGeppert on May 18, 2013, 01:16 am
Quote from: seuss on May 17, 2013, 07:54 pm
Quote from: Tessellated= on May 17, 2013, 05:01 pm
Quote from: AussieMitch on May 17, 2013, 12:59 am
...
In return, he received 1689.49= "Bitcoin" - the equivalent of $8447.45.
...

That does no= t sound right.

Definitely wrong.=C2=A0 1689.49 bitcoin would= be 212,700 AUD.

Actually, 1 year ago when this guy was vendi= ng the price of bitcoin was under $10. So yeah, that's pretty correct.
<= /blockquote>
=

So who is it? Sorry I think I'm fairly sure anyway but I may be= wrong now I'm thinking cause a year ago is on the knifes edge of when I ac= tually went from an observer to a participant here (SR that is)

So= sad... Yeah he was silly, made lots of mistakes and ultimately has no one= else to blame but himself however....

Its not funny that he will be= , more than likely, physically and emotionally abused in prison. What hope= does he really have now? He will come out of the place as a better brand= of criminal and will more than likely be recruited into an OMC and 'groome= d' into a violent and angry person. He did have a fairly good operation goi= ng by the sounds of it and with the right guidance he could have been very= successful and for a very long time too.

He obviously has the skil= ls required to run a business, he is internet/tech savvy (granted lazy and= arrogant with the safety stuff but still..), must have been good with cust= omers and suppliers alike and sounded like an 'organized' person with regar= ds to the 'order assembly line' sounding like a real system and not just sh= oot from the hip stuff...

Society has let this person down by our la= ws on illicit drugs and the fact that if they had been different this young= entrepreneur may have walked a very different path.. After all had he eith= er not become addicted to gear in the first place or hadn't had to face the= realization that to support his habit at the prices here in Au he was goin= g to need to be earning a fuckit load of cash... No surprise he he went the= way he did given the high profit and the access to better stuff this all= gets you..

I know of serious violent criminals, assaults, rapes, ki= ddie fiddling etc etc, that haven't gotten the length of time this fucker= got! its pathetic that they actually consider this a worse crime and him= a greater danger to the community that the countless POS that get good beh= avior or suspended sentences or 12 -18 month and parole after 60% served...= The thing about jail/prison is that the first time its not the length so= much as the going in .. Once you have that on you your life options are li= mited and it will never go away.. People go in and as soon as 3 months late= r (if they are lucky to have such a short visit) they come out different an= d never in a good way..

Fucking sad day. I for one will be taking= a day to review my security as a way of marking and remembering...
I want to organize a a secret flash mob that would have to be a big one bu= t basically protesting (by civil disobedience) the fucked up laws here. Ide= a is EVERY smoker and sympathetic to the cause flash mob a police station= and light up a fat blunt... Well some will have real stuff others it would= be fake but through over whelming numbers and some creative looking fakes= we could both make a statement of solidarity and make the prospect of arre= sting and charging anyone almost impossible.. Lab tests aren't cheap and fi= nding 6 real joints in a crowd of tens of thousands.. not to mention then= convicting them...

The police are going to be happier and more ful= filled people when they don't have to over look the fact they are making no= difference in the community and arguably making it a worse situation.. Too= much pressure to get the "druggies' and so the real crimes and the communi= ty improvement that they could be doing is missed.
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: subsrgood on May 18, 2013, 03:30 pm: Even though this guy got busted because his car was searched, I think= a huge problem was that he was shipping to Australia, regardless... Honest= ly after all that has happened with the police and busts in Australia I wil= l not even touch that country with a 10 foot pole. It has just been jinxed= from the start.... Just my opinion- take it with a grain of salt. But seri= ously if you do ship to Australia, BE CAREFUL!
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: JumboMonkeyBiscuit on May 18, 2013,= 08:04 pm: I believe it is MrNiceGuy007... LE is probably using his account to con= tact everyone he was dealing with.... We need to find out who this was for= sure but I believe he is the one...
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: Squirrel on May 18, 2013, 08:19 pm: Quote
I think a huge problem was that= he was shipping to Australia, regardless... Honestly after all that has ha= ppened with the police and busts in Australia I will not even touch that co= untry with a 10 foot pole.

Poor fucking Aussies.=C2=A0 Why is th= eir government so oppressive?=C2=A0 I mean the whole fucking island was a= penal colony filled with fucking criminals.=C2=A0 Are they trying to glean= out the last of the rebels?=C2=A0 I feel bad for all of them.=C2=A0 You ne= ed good drugs, you want good drugs, you deserve good drugs.=C2=A0 Come over= here to where I am and I'll hook you up you poor fucking Aussies.=C2=A0 Oy= e, oye, fucking oye.
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: tree on May 18, 2013, 08:20 pm: = Quote from: JumboMonkeyBiscuit on May 18, 2013, 08:04 pm
I believe it is MrNiceGuy007... LE is= probably using his account to contact everyone he was dealing with.... We= need to find out who this was for sure but I believe he is the one...
<= /blockquote>
=
I don't think so.. That vendor is selling weed and the one that got= busted didn't.
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: THUMBSuP. on May 18, 2013, 08:31 pm: drugs are drugs kids...
whether they are in a bubble mailer, priorit= y, or Express pack..
if you're en route to deliver.. and you think it's= a risk of getting pulled over..
stash them.. like you're delivering to= a client face to face. be smard..

/thumbs
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: mdmafx on May 18, 2013, 09:32 pm: Country is irrelevant, drug busts happen all over the world. Their has= been several Silk Road related in the USA lately and a big one in Germany= just recently. This guy was just unlucky that he got pulled over and at th= e time was doing a mail drop. The only reason it made the news was because= they could link it back to Silk Road because of lax security. I read a lot= of posts here were I am sure a lot of users here have their head buried in= the sand and because they and have no real life drug experience and are us= ing the postal system to either sell or get drugs they think they are untou= chable.=20
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: tree on May 18, 2013, 09:59 pm: The bust in Germany wasn't SR related as far as I know. The pictures of= his packages in the article didn't look SR-like at all, they were all extr= emely suspicious.
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: Dingo Ate My Drugs on May 19, 2013,= 01:47 am: = Quote from: Tessellated on May 17, 2013, 05:15 pm
Quote from: mdmafx on May 17, 2013, 11:49 am=
Lots of things I'm su= re vendors here don't think about. If you taking a phone, especially an iPh= one with you when doing your drops, turn it off unless you want LE to have= a mapped out log of where you have been.

Don't trust iPhones= to turn off, they are still on even when off.

Get a phone where you= can remove the battery.
+1

Could not agree more. I used= to have an iPhone and I used to turn it off=C2=A0 for 5-6 hours and when= I turned it back on the battery was=C2=A0 always 5-10% lower.
I would= never trust Apple of Google with anything. For all we know, Apple and Goog= le would have easy access to our phones and could search through them. I wo= uld never trust it.

If you take the battery out there is no way for= anything to be tracked.
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: Dingo Ate My Drugs on May 19, 2013,= 01:57 am: = Quote from: Squirrel on May 18, 2013, 08:19 pm
Quote
I th= ink a huge problem was that he was shipping to Australia, regardless... Hon= estly after all that has happened with the police and busts in Australia I= will not even touch that country with a 10 foot pole.

Poor fuck= ing Aussies.=C2=A0 Why is their government so oppressive?=C2=A0 I mean the= whole fucking island was a penal colony filled with fucking criminals.=C2= =A0 Are they trying to glean out the last of the rebels?=C2=A0 I feel bad= for all of them.=C2=A0 You need good drugs, you want good drugs, you deser= ve good drugs.=C2=A0 Come over here to where I am and I'll hook you up you= poor fucking Aussies.=C2=A0 Oye, oye, fucking oye.
They search= cars all the time. All they need is "suspicion" there is drugs inside. So pretty much if you are young and they want to search your car, they wil= l.

And they tear the car apart and throw it all on the ground outsid= e and then when they are done they just leave and you have to put everythin= g=C2=A0 back in.
It's really fucked up. And the worst part is that the= majority of people living here seem to have no problem with this.
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: Libertas on May 19, 2013, 02:05 am: = Quote from: JumboMonkeyBiscuit on May 18, 2013, 08:04 pm
I believe it is MrNiceGuy007... LE is= probably using his account to contact everyone he was dealing with.... We= need to find out who this was for sure but I believe he is the one...
<= /blockquote>
=

I'm 99.99% sure that it wasn't MrNiceGuy007 as that particular ve= ndor has fallen for every scam message doing the rounds - he recently fell= for the "SR investment" scam and the "vendor login panel" phishing scam,= then asked us for donations because he lost money.

He also thought= that the Vendor Bond was an investment of some kind and kept asking if he= could he do it again. ??? I don't think LE would be bringing that much att= ention to themselves.

Libertas
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: Libertas on May 19, 2013, 02:10 am: = Quote from: Dingo Ate My Drugs on May 19, 2013, 01:57 am
And the worst part is that the majori= ty of people living here seem to have no problem with this.

T= he reason for that is because the majority of the people aren't directly af= fected by it. People have become too 'insular' - they don't care what's hap= pening in the world around them as long as they aren't directly affected.= If it started happening to them, they'd definitely kick up a fuss.

= That's one of the things we need to change in order to effect change; we ne= ed to encourage compassion for one another because to the governments of ou= r respective countries, we are ALL the same - simply numbers. They get away= with it because the majority have unfortunately not yet realised that thei= r government have complete disregard for the well-being of the populace und= er its control. >:(

Libertas
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: 1mIcedout on May 19, 2013, 02:33 am: = Quote from: subsrgood on May 18, 2013, 03:30 pm
Even though this guy got busted because his= car was searched, I think a huge problem was that he was shipping to Austr= alia, regardless... Honestly after all that has happened with the police an= d busts in Australia I will not even touch that country with a 10 foot pole= . It has just been jinxed from the start.... Just my opinion- take it with= a grain of salt. But seriously if you do ship to Australia, BE CAREFUL!

Did you even read the article ???

He lived in Australia= and was sending within Australia.
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: Fallkniven on May 19, 2013, 02:41 am<= /strong>: = Quote from: Libertas on May 19, 2013, 02:10 am
Quote from: Dingo Ate My Drugs on May 19, 2013,= 01:57 am
And the= worst part is that the majority of people living here seem to have no prob= lem with this.

The reason for that is because the majority of= the people aren't directly affected by it. People have become too 'insular= ' - they don't care what's happening in the world around them as long as th= ey aren't directly affected. If it started happening to them, they'd defini= tely kick up a fuss.

That's one of the things we need to change in= order to effect change; we need to encourage compassion for one another be= cause to the governments of our respective countries, we are ALL the same= - simply numbers. They get away with it because the majority have unfortun= ately not yet realised that their government have complete disregard for th= e well-being of the populace under its control. >:(

Libertas
<= /blockquote>
=

Julia Gillard is looking more and more like Senator Palpatine, so= on everyone will see her for what she really is - a power hungry lawyer loo= king to line her pockets with your income tax.

If only the majority= would do more research into who runs their country, instead of believing= whatever they are told on TV, Radio & Print.
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: Dingo Ate My Drugs on May 19, 2013,= 02:45 am: = Quote from: Libertas on May 19, 2013, 02:10 am
Quote from: Dingo Ate My Drugs on May 19, 2013,= 01:57 am
And the= worst part is that the majority of people living here seem to have no prob= lem with this.

The reason for that is because the majority of= the people aren't directly affected by it. People have become too 'insular= ' - they don't care what's happening in the world around them as long as th= ey aren't directly affected. If it started happening to them, they'd defini= tely kick up a fuss.

That's one of the things we need to change in= order to effect change; we need to encourage compassion for one another be= cause to the governments of our respective countries, we are ALL the same= - simply numbers. They get away with it because the majority have unfortun= ately not yet realised that their government have complete disregard for th= e well-being of the populace under its control. >:(

Libertas
<= /blockquote>
=
I've tried talking to some people who agree with laws like this. Ther= e is no changing their mind. They have this absurd belief that every additi= onal the power have over "criminals" is a good thing. Some people have such= strong beliefs that the Government is protecting us from the evils of the= world. The reality is that they are not. They don't really do anything exc= ept dull down and make life more miserable for the average person. A lof of= people think it is ok that police can search a car with pretty much no rea= son. Do they not care about their own privacy? I don't understand how anyon= e can just accept that police could search their car and go through all the= ir private things for no proper reason.

I still think that in the ye= ars to come, police will have the power to randomly search homes. That will= be a sad day.
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: Dingo Ate My Drugs on May 19, 2013,= 02:46 am: = Quote from: Libertas on May 19, 2013, 02:10 am
Quote from: Dingo Ate My Drugs on May 19, 2013,= 01:57 am
And the= worst part is that the majority of people living here seem to have no prob= lem with this.

The reason for that is because the majority of= the people aren't directly affected by it. People have become too 'insular= ' - they don't care what's happening in the world around them as long as th= ey aren't directly affected. If it started happening to them, they'd defini= tely kick up a fuss.

That's one of the things we need to change in= order to effect change; we need to encourage compassion for one another be= cause to the governments of our respective countries, we are ALL the same= - simply numbers. They get away with it because the majority have unfortun= ately not yet realised that their government have complete disregard for th= e well-being of the populace under its control. >:(

Libertas
<= /blockquote>
=
I've tried talking to some people who agree with laws like this. Ther= e is no changing their mind. They have this absurd belief that every additi= onal the power have over "criminals" is a good thing. Some people have such= strong beliefs that the Government is protecting us from the evils of the= world. The reality is that they are not. They don't really do anything exc= ept dull down and make life more miserable for the average person. A lof of= people think it is ok that police can search a car with pretty much no rea= son. Do they not care about their own privacy? I don't understand how anyon= e can just accept that police could search their car and go through all the= ir private things for no proper reason.

I still think that in the ye= ars to come, police will have the power to randomly search homes. That will= be a sad day.
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: touchthesky on May 19, 2013, 02:56 am=: Quote
Wollongong District Court was= told by the prosecution that Owen ran a "reasonably sophisticated" drug op= eration out of two rooms in his parents' Figtree home

LOL, he was= a hack who just didn't get caught for a little while. Every rule of the bo= ok shattered to pieces
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: SOUTHPAW on May 19, 2013, 03:21 am: = Quote from: Dingo Ate My Drugs on May 19, 2013, 02:45 am
Quote from: Libertas on May 19, 2013, 02:= 10 am
Quote from: Di= ngo Ate My Drugs on May 19, 2013, 01:57 am
And the worst part is that the majority of people= living here seem to have no problem with this.

The reason= for that is because the majority of the people aren't directly affected by= it. People have become too 'insular' - they don't care what's happening in= the world around them as long as they aren't directly affected. If it star= ted happening to them, they'd definitely kick up a fuss.

That's one= of the things we need to change in order to effect change; we need to enco= urage compassion for one another because to the governments of our respecti= ve countries, we are ALL the same - simply numbers. They get away with it= because the majority have unfortunately not yet realised that their govern= ment have complete disregard for the well-being of the populace under its= control. >:(

Libertas
I've tried talking to some peopl= e who agree with laws like this. There is no changing their mind. They have= this absurd belief that every additional the power have over "criminals"= is a good thing. Some people have such strong beliefs that the Government= is protecting us from the evils of the world. The reality is that they are= not. They don't really do anything except dull down and make life more mis= erable for the average person. A lot of people think it is ok that police= can search a car with pretty much no reason. Do they not care about their= own privacy? I don't understand how anyone can just accept that police cou= ld search their car and go through all their private things for no proper= reason.

I still think that in the years to come, police will have= the power to randomly search homes. That will be a sad day.

= They already do, if you understand it only takes a creative mind to be able= to come up with the statement that the judge will say " Yes this was a leg= ally justified search based on the Officer(s) reporting..." There was a tim= e not so long ago(10yrs) that I happened to be in a position where I intera= cted a great deal with LE.=C2=A0 I learned a great deal about them. Such as= how and why they do what they do. I will=C2=A0 not get into much of anythi= ng in this thread because that is not what this is for.

With regard= s to them(LE) searching w/o warrants, they are trained with a great many to= ols on "How to Get Anything on Anybody". Yep this is an actual title of a= book that was over 2000 pages long that is a standard class for agents to= pursue advancement in their field. It was freighting when one of them show= ed it to me and some of the course work.

So, don't for a moment thi= nk that these people sit around and wait for shit to just fall in their lap= .=C2=A0 They know how to create it when needed to suit their cause.
We, SR's, have to study and learn to be several steps ahead or we will be= crushed and the world we live in will be for shit. Be smart and learn as= much as possible as fast as possible.=C2=A0 Be safe
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: Dingo Ate My Drugs on May 19, 2013,= 04:13 am: = Quote from: Fallkniven on May 19, 2013, 02:41 am
Quote from: Libertas on May 19, 2013, 02:10 am
Quote from: Dingo Ate My= Drugs on May 19, 2013, 01:57 am
And the worst part is that the majority of people living here= seem to have no problem with this.

The reason for that is be= cause the majority of the people aren't directly affected by it. People hav= e become too 'insular' - they don't care what's happening in the world arou= nd them as long as they aren't directly affected. If it started happening= to them, they'd definitely kick up a fuss.

That's one of the things= we need to change in order to effect change; we need to encourage compassi= on for one another because to the governments of our respective countries,= we are ALL the same - simply numbers. They get away with it because the ma= jority have unfortunately not yet realised that their government have compl= ete disregard for the well-being of the populace under its control. >:(<= br>
Libertas

Julia Gillard is looking more and more like= Senator Palpatine, soon everyone will see her for what she really is - a= power hungry lawyer looking to line her pockets with your income tax.
<= br>If only the majority would do more research into who runs their country,= instead of believing whatever they are told on TV, Radio & Print.
<= /blockquote>
=
+1
Living in Australia is embarrassing nowadays. The amount of nan= ny laws that already exist and ones that are in planning or currently going= through parliament is crazy.
Apparently they are there to protect us.= I don't see the need for ISP's to retain data for TWO YEARS "in case data= is needed to help prosecute a criminal."
Any smart criminal would use= TOR, VPN or use another location. If this law goes through, ISP's will hav= e to retain data for two years which will cost them enormous amounts of mon= ey and that will be passed on to the consumer. As if living in Australia is= n't already expensive enough. There is so many things the Gillard Governmen= t is doing a terrible job of. This needs a topic on the philosophy section.= I will get around to starting a thread about Australian politics in the ne= xt few weeks when I have a bit more time.

The budget they just anno= unced is a total disaster as well. Promising a budget surplus, but instead= they created one of the largest deficits on record (for Australia).
The= faster they repay the debt (within reason), the better. The money that wou= ld otherwise be sent on interest in the years to come could otherwise be sp= ent on things that are really needed.
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: JezuzWazaMushroom on May 19, 2013, 11= :10 am: = Quote from: Fallkniven on May 19, 2013, 02:41 am
Quote from: Libertas on May 19, 2013, 02:10 am
Quote from: Dingo Ate My= Drugs on May 19, 2013, 01:57 am
And the worst part is that the majority of people living here= seem to have no problem with this.

The reason for that is be= cause the majority of the people aren't directly affected by it. People hav= e become too 'insular' - they don't care what's happening in the world arou= nd them as long as they aren't directly affected. If it started happening= to them, they'd definitely kick up a fuss.

That's one of the things= we need to change in order to effect change; we need to encourage compassi= on for one another because to the governments of our respective countries,= we are ALL the same - simply numbers. They get away with it because the ma= jority have unfortunately not yet realised that their government have compl= ete disregard for the well-being of the populace under its control. >:(<= br>
Libertas

Julia Gillard is looking more and more like= Senator Palpatine, soon everyone will see her for what she really is - a= power hungry lawyer looking to line her pockets with your income tax.
<= br>If only the majority would do more research into who runs their country,= instead of believing whatever they are told on TV, Radio & Print.
<= /blockquote>
=

Here I was all this time Today Tonight, ACA and the 7:30 Report= were telling me the truth all these years and our political parties weren'= t bought by the banksters, media tycoons and companbies such as Amatil and= Microsoft... that'll teach me better no longer will I believe Stacy Grimsh= aw and our most beloved Dear Leader... Julia, born another country and sold= us out to China and her Commie allies Gillard!=C2=A0 ::)

Julia Gill= ard is so fucking sexy... I wish I was Tim!=C2=A0 =C2=A0:P

- JWM=C2= =A0 8)
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: Dingo Ate My Drugs on May 19, 2013,= 11:15 am: = Quote from: touchthesky on May 19, 2013, 02:56 am
Quote
Wol= longong District Court was told by the prosecution that Owen ran a "reasona= bly sophisticated" drug operation out of two rooms in his parents' Figtree= home
=

LOL, he was a hack who just didn't get caught for a little= while. Every rule of the book shattered to pieces
What do you me= an by that?
He was a hack?=C2=A0 :-\
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: Dingo Ate My Drugs on May 19, 2013,= 11:18 am: = Quote from: touchthesky on May 19, 2013, 02:56 am
Quote
Wol= longong District Court was told by the prosecution that Owen ran a "reasona= bly sophisticated" drug operation out of two rooms in his parents' Figtree= home
=

LOL, he was a hack who just didn't get caught for a little= while. Every rule of the book shattered to pieces
What do you me= an by that?
He was a hack?=C2=A0 :-\
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: Jack N Hoff on May 19, 2013, 11:37 am=: = Quote from: Dingo Ate My Drugs on May 19, 2013, 11:18 am
Quote from: touchthesky on May 19, 2013,= 02:56 am
Quote
Wollongong District Court was told by the= prosecution that Owen ran a "reasonably sophisticated" drug operation out= of two rooms in his parents' Figtree home

LOL, he was a hack who= just didn't get caught for a little while. Every rule of the book shattere= d to pieces
What do you mean by that?
He was a hack?=C2=A0 :-\=
<= /div>

Here in the states, when you call someone a hack, you are sa= ying that they are a wannabee, they are garbage, they aren't the real deal.= =C2=A0 It has nothing to do with computer hacking lol.
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: Dingo Ate My Drugs on May 19, 2013,= 11:55 am: = Quote from: Jack N Hoff on May 19, 2013, 11:37 am
Quote from: Dingo Ate My Drugs on May 19, 2013,= 11:18 am
Quote from:= touchthesky on May 19, 2013, 02:56 am
Quote
Wollongong Dis= trict Court was told by the prosecution that Owen ran a "reasonably sophist= icated" drug operation out of two rooms in his parents' Figtree home
=
LOL, he was a hack who just didn't get caught for a little while. Every= rule of the book shattered to pieces
What do you mean by that?He was a hack?=C2=A0 :-\

Here in the states, when you call= someone a hack, you are saying that they are a wannabee, they are garbage,= they aren't the real deal.=C2=A0 It has nothing to do with computer hackin= g lol.
Thanks! Sometimes I think I take things too literally.=20
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: GUS on May 19, 2013, 09:32 pm: = Quote from: subsrgood on May 18, 2013, 03:30 pm
Even though this guy got busted because his= car was searched, I think a huge problem was that he was shipping to Austr= alia, regardless... Honestly after all that has happened with the police an= d busts in Australia I will not even touch that country with a 10 foot pole= . It has just been jinxed from the start.... Just my opinion- take it with= a grain of salt. But seriously if you do ship to Australia, BE CAREFUL!

this is the the fucking stupidist thing I have ever fucking rea= d.

How is it any more dangerous for an O/S vendor to send to Austral= ia rather than any other international country. The Myth of the strict cust= oms is just bullshit.

Also THere have been plenty of busts O/S. What= about MoveItNice?

Not to mention, Americans have a much stronger pe= ntally system that Australia.=C2=A0 Over there you can goto jail just for= personal amounts, And dont get me started on the three strike laws.
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: AbraxasRiseth on May 20, 2013, 04:18= am: = Quote from: PoolPlaya on May 17, 2013, 06:35 am
whether he was being targeted before this tra= ffic stop, we don't know.=C2=A0 What's scary is this, he was keeping a ledg= er and he had his SR user/pass right out in the open in his phone.=C2=A0 Wh= ich means LE could login as him, see all his history which they can match= up to his ledger to gain a bigger picture.=C2=A0 They can take over his ac= count and do all sorts of nefarious shit.

I haven't read the= whole tread yet, but I just had a thought. If this story is true and the= administration can find out who the vendor was, wouldn't if be safe for th= em to ban the vendor to make sure LE doesn't do anything? I think that shou= ld be standard policy.=20
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: primeroll on May 20, 2013, 05:06 am: i think weve all agreed that Australia sucks for this game
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: motek on May 20, 2013, 06:45 am: =C2=A0"I haven't read the whole tread yet, but I just had a thought. If= this story is true and the administration can find out who the vendor was,= wouldn't if be safe for them to ban the vendor to make sure LE doesn't do= anything?"

This ^^^ is not such a bad idea .... in fact it's downri= ght sensible ... +1 to you Bro.

and=C2=A0 as for "i think weve all= agreed that Australia sucks for this game" .... who's "we" white man?=C2= =A0 As GUS said, the belief Oz customs are some kind=C2=A0 of all powerful= mob IS bullshit.

=C2=A0IF it were "true"=C2=A0 neither I or any ot= her aussies would be here posting ... think about it!
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: Tellemetree on May 20, 2013, 07:54 am=: = Quote from: motek on May 20, 2013, 06:45 am
"I haven't read the whole tread yet, but I just= had a thought. If this story is true and the administration can find out= who the vendor was, wouldn't if be safe for them to ban the vendor to make= sure LE doesn't do anything?"

This ^^^ is not such a bad idea ....= in fact it's downright sensible ... +1 to you Bro.

and=C2=A0 as for= "i think weve all agreed that Australia sucks for this game" .... who's "w= e" white man?=C2=A0 As GUS said, the belief Oz customs are some kind=C2=A0= of all powerful mob IS bullshit.

=C2=A0IF it were "true"=C2=A0 nei= ther I or any other aussies would be here posting ... think about it!
<= /div>
Agreed, motek.

When your talking about one or two vendors= (due to non SR related activity mostly) out of say 100 vendors from that= country, whichever country then stats are irrelevant. It could just as eas= ily be any country.

Its like saying - They caught two Aussies, there= fore New Zealand is the best possible place to vend since 0% of them have= been caught, ridiculous when your talking such low numbers.

Could= have put someone with that level of organization and systems/ procedures= and he is likely to get caught. Low hanging fruit indeed.

better es= tablished, security conscious and organized vendors in any country so far= don't ever get caught. If (when) they do it won't be because of anything= SR related.
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: Countdown2013 on May 20, 2013, 08:21= am: = Quote from: Tellemetree on May 20, 2013, 07:54 am
Quote from: motek on May 20, 2013, 06:45 am<= /div>
"I haven't read the= whole tread yet, but I just had a thought. If this story is true and the= administration can find out who the vendor was, wouldn't if be safe for th= em to ban the vendor to make sure LE doesn't do anything?"

This ^^^= is not such a bad idea .... in fact it's downright sensible ... +1 to you= Bro.

and=C2=A0 as for "i think weve all agreed that Australia sucks= for this game" .... who's "we" white man?=C2=A0 As GUS said, the belief Oz= customs are some kind=C2=A0 of all powerful mob IS bullshit.

=C2= =A0IF it were "true"=C2=A0 neither I or any other aussies would be here pos= ting ... think about it!

Agreed, motek.

When your talk= ing about one or two vendors (due to non SR related activity mostly) out of= say 100 vendors from that country, whichever country then stats are irrele= vant. It could just as easily be any country.

Its like saying - They= caught two Aussies, therefore New Zealand is the best possible place to ve= nd since 0% of them have been caught, ridiculous when your talking such low= numbers.

Could have put someone with that level of organization and= systems/ procedures and he is likely to get caught. Low hanging fruit inde= ed.

better established, security conscious and organized vendors in= any country so far don't ever get caught. If (when) they do it won't be be= cause of anything SR related.
Mmm dunno about 0% , looks like the= largest vendor we had in NZ got busted , name was FunForEveryone.. He disa= ppeared in early February with a 'gone on holiday' message. Just judging by= that and this quote I believe he did get busted. "A drug dealer's February= arrest in New Zealand was referred to as the first ever criminal convictio= n involving a Silk Road transaction. Federal police said they were able to= gain information about the dealer from his Silk Road profile, so they warn= ed others that the marketplace is not entirely anonymous." Don't think he= revealed anything on his profile but rather was caught through selling in= real life or crappy posting/using easily traced courier services.. Really= I don't know what happened but he sure is gone!=20
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: yellow on May 20, 2013, 11:42 am: Couple of thoughts/points; re getting caught driving; ironically a coup= le of our biggest busts have been flukes; can pulled over for some stupid= reason, turns out it's got buckets (literally) of pills in it is one that= springs to mind.

There's dumb dealers getting busted offline all th= e time; people are kidding themselves if they think they can outwit the cop= s, just because it's online and in the post. That guy was getting caught at= some stage, regardless. FFS he couldn't remember a url and password? Geesu= s.

My tip, here and in real life; don't get cocky, don't get greedy.= Fly under the radar and hope you don't end up in the wrong place at the wr= ong time, like a random pullover (if it was that). And FFS don't think you'= re smarter than the cops; remember ever professional around the world is pu= lling together to fight this place because the mums and dads of the world= demand their children are safe from the scourge of drugs and demand the po= liticians do something.
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: Real_Drugs on May 20, 2013, 01:14 pm<= /strong>: I know it has been said but I am going to bring it up again. Does anyon= e have any idea on who the vendor was?=20
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: liveonceonly on May 20, 2013, 01:52= pm: http://www.illawarramercury.com.au/story/1507381/jail-time-for-figtree-= web-trafficker/?cs=3D12

Do a search on silk road on the papers site,= many stories and it is a regional paper

This guy is now in the clut= ches of the man for 10 plus years and he was not doing it to free up mankin= d to do with their bodies as=C2=A0 they=C2=A0 wished
Profit and profitee= rs will kill the silk road, nothing more surer.

Read the story folks= .

Another idiot who writes things down and thinks by answering=C2=A0= the coppers questions it will help him out.
Those who use the road to= further commercial drug operations will be the ones who ultimately bring= it down

Correct me If I am wrong but was not the road created so gr= ower, maker, user could pass on exchange=C2=A0 and sell personal amounts to= others of the same ilk ?
Not to front large commercial enterprises ? Wh= ile little fish are in the pond no one will want to throw in the dynamite= to blow them up. Now the sharks are in the pond
how much longer before= it happens.?
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: lex on May 23, 2013, 03:45 pm: I don't know the full facts of this case. Having his SilkRoad username= and password stored on his phone though, what the fuck was he thinking? Th= at was really dumb. If he was convicted based on SR records, this makes me= think vendors should have a kind of doomsday button which permanently eras= es all feedback, transaction history etc, for a circumstance such as this.= Having SilkRoad records used against you in court would really, really suc= k.

And what's with $14K of illicit funds, just laying around the ho= use? I would have dug a hole so deep they would never have found it.
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: Alighier on May 23, 2013, 08:30 pm: = Quote from: GUS on May 17, 2013, 01:16 am
im sure some1 can figure out who it was?

I= feel bad for this guy, but a few lessons to be learnt

Quote
An examination of Owen's mobile phone revealed= a user name and password for the Silk Road website

I mean=C2=A0= COME ON. Dont you have a fucking brain??!?!? Why do u have to record this?=

Quote
nside, they found a "mini= office" with computers, a safe, drugs, scales, cutting agents
=

cu= tting agents.. asshole

Quote
"hi= gh quality crystal meth and high end MDMA".

obviously not.. if= your cutting it

This^
Title: Q0]
Post by: samesamebutdifferent on May 23, 2013,= 09:57 pm: Those who think they know who the vendor is can you either post it or= pm me please.

I agree this guy made some mistakes, well a lot as it= goes but it is never good to see a life ruined due the application of unju= st laws that only serve to coerce and control.

The laws in Australi= a are a lot harsher than some countries and it is a nanny state, seems like= we need a law to legislate for fucking everything here as personal respons= ibility is something that is just lost which is a very worrisome trend. Unt= il people start to take some notice and action this will just continue to= get worse and as governments start to feel threatened they will try to tig= hten their grip by introducing even more draconian laws all in the name of= "keeping us safe".

I love this country but there is much that is ve= ry wrong too.
Title: Re: Q0]
Post by: Dingo Ate My Drugs on May 24, 2013,= 12:17 am: = Quote from: samesamebutdifferent on May 23, 2013, 09:57 pm
<= blockquote class=3D"bbc_standard_quote">Those who think they know who the= vendor is can you either post it or pm me please.

I agree this guy= made some mistakes, well a lot as it goes but it is never good to see a li= fe ruined due the application of unjust laws that only serve to coerce and= control.

The laws in Australia are a lot harsher than some countri= es and it is a nanny state, seems like we need a law to legislate for fucki= ng everything here as personal responsibility is something that is just los= t which is a very worrisome trend. Until people start to take some notice= and action this will just continue to get worse and as governments start= to feel threatened they will try to tighten their grip by introducing even= more draconian laws all in the name of "keeping us safe".

I love th= is country but there is much that is very wrong too.
I have to= agree with everything you said. Drugs are illegal, but for what reason? It= has been proven that alcohol is far more harmful and addictive than some= illegal drugs, yet people selling them or using them are criminals? It doe= sn't make sense, but the vast majority of the population is too stupid to= use their own brains and think beyond what the Government has told them an= d many people are actually terrified of drugs. Some people believe that if= they smoke marijuana, that will be their gateway drug to heroin, and if th= ey try marijuana just once, they will end up being a junkie living on the= street.

So this guy made mistakes, but now he is in jail and the= rest of his life will be ruined because of his convictions. Travelling ove= rseas will be difficult, getting a job, etc.

And yes Australia is a= nanny country already and it is only get worse rapidly. I don't understand= why people diminish their freedom and demand the Government protect them= from every potential threat. Nick Xenophon is one of the worst. I don't se= e why the Government has to regulate every aspect of everything from wearin= g helmets on bicyles to trying to limit pokie machines. Do people have no= self-control to be able to stop themselves from playing pokie machines? I= just don't see the point in limiting bets to $1. And then we have the inte= rnet filter and the long list of banned movies and books in Australia becau= se the classification board thinks they are too violent. Can't adults decid= e what they watch? Why does Australia always need edited games and movies,= simply because the Government says it's too inappropriate?
Title: Re: Q0]
Post by: Jack N Hoff on May 24, 2013, 01:34 am=: = Quote from: samesamebutdifferent on May 23, 2013, 09:57 pm
<= blockquote class=3D"bbc_standard_quote">The laws in Australia are a lot har= sher than some countries and it is a nanny state

What?!=C2=A0= Shadh1 would have got 25+ years where I live.=C2=A0 This guy would have go= t 25+ years too.=C2=A0 It seems Australia has some very lax drug laws from= where I'm standing.....
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: motek on May 24, 2013, 04:22 am: yes Oz law is much more "reasonable" than US law when it comes to drugs= .=C2=A0 =C2=A0

IME the maximum we have ever heard someone get for an= importing offence,, that isn't from off the charts "king pin" type busts= (e.g. tony mokbel)=C2=A0 is 6-10years, with many folks on the lower end ge= tting <6yrs!=C2=A0

But 10years =3D 10years down here... No remis= sons for quite some time now with the "truth in sentencing" bullshits!
<= br>
(LE) made me mad motek x
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: phoboss on May 24, 2013, 12:45 pm: The vendor who got caught deserved everything he got why I'll tell you= why cos he basically got his own dick hard then rammed it up his own arse= hole ie he fucked himsrlf good n proper cutting agents ledgers money codes= fir SR in your phone boy he must of been an idiot man but like I said he= deserves everything he got and more he is sooo lucky with that light priso= n spell oh well you live and you learn and give 6 years of your life away= in this instance.=20
Title: Re: Q0]
Post by: samesamebutdifferent on May 24, 2013,= 10:14 pm: = Quote from: Jack N Hoff on May 24, 2013, 01:34 am
Quote from: samesamebutdifferent on May 23, 2013= , 09:57 pm
The law= s in Australia are a lot harsher than some countries and it is a nanny stat= e
=

What?!=C2=A0 Shadh1 would have got 25+ years where I live.= =C2=A0 This guy would have got 25+ years too.=C2=A0 It seems Australia has= some very lax drug laws from where I'm standing.....

And if= he was in the UK he probably would have gotten away with community service= . US drug laws are a fucking disgrace to humanity, there is little to be ga= ined from making comparisons, countries not far from where I live kill you= if they catch you with drugs, I stand by my comments, Australia's attitude= and approach to drug legislation is draconian, if you could see how they= waste tax dollars policing the nightclubs and streets of Sydney with sniff= er dogs at 3am to catch a few kids with the odd ecstasy pill you would unde= rstand my perspective.
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: bankofgt on May 24, 2013, 10:32 pm: = Quote from: phoboss on May 24, 2013, 12:45 pm
The vendor who got caught deserved everything he= got why I'll tell you why cos he basically got his own dick hard then ramm= ed it up his own arse hole ie he fucked himsrlf good n proper cutting agent= s ledgers money codes fir SR in your phone boy he must of been an idiot man= but like I said he deserves everything he got and more he is sooo lucky wi= th that light prison spell oh well you live and you learn and give 6 years= of your life away in this instance.

PHOBOSS

I LOVE= YOU LONG TIME. Almost as much as JWM. Have some compassion. Don't bite the= hand that feeds you.

Law enforcement needs to find a different app= roach to dealing=C2=A0 with drug offenders.

So you don't get charge= d for using drugs but for the possession of drugs.

The drug laws in= Amsterdam are a step in the right direction.
Title: Re: Q0]
Post by: Jack N Hoff on May 24, 2013, 10:33 pm=: = Quote from: samesamebutdifferent on May 24, 2013, 10:14 pm
<= blockquote class=3D"bbc_standard_quote">
Quote from: Jack N Hoff on May 24, 2013= , 01:34 am
Quote from:= samesamebutdifferent on May 23, 2013, 09:57 pm
The laws in Australia are a lot harsher than= some countries and it is a nanny state

What?!=C2=A0 Shadh1= would have got 25+ years where I live.=C2=A0 This guy would have got 25+= years too.=C2=A0 It seems Australia has some very lax drug laws from where= I'm standing.....

And if he was in the UK he probably would= have gotten away with community service. US drug laws are a fucking disgra= ce to humanity, there is little to be gained from making comparisons, count= ries not far from where I live kill you if they catch you with drugs, I sta= nd by my comments, Australia's attitude and approach to drug legislation is= draconian, if you could see how they waste tax dollars policing the nightc= lubs and streets of Sydney with sniffer dogs at 3am to catch a few kids wit= h the odd ecstasy pill you would understand my perspective.

W= e have police dogs at grade schools.=C2=A0 Australia is still better than= the US when it comes to drug laws and the US is better then the middle eas= t when it comes to drug laws lol.=C2=A0 Hey man, I'll trade you drug laws= any day of the week! :D
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: goochihuh on May 25, 2013, 12:06 am: Aussie vendor cutting a already cut product even more to sell on while= charging double the price? Typical we are ALWAYS ripped here hence OS is= the way to go for personal amounts. Unlucky kid but hey you cut product an= d rip people off well you just got ripped near 6 years of your life.
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: 3r3 on May 25, 2013, 12:21 am: Must have been using the LE trojan MetaSilk software by SelfSovereignty= (SS), he claims it makes the experience on SR more comfortable. He prefers= you call him SS, sounds a lot like the Nazi secret police, or the (US) Sec= ret Service in this case.
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: bankofgt on May 25, 2013, 01:22 am: = Quote from: goochihuh on May 25, 2013, 12:06 am
Aussie vendor cutting a already cut product= even more to sell on while charging double the price? Typical we are ALWAY= S ripped here hence OS is the way to go for personal amounts. Unlucky kid= but hey you cut product and rip people off well you just got ripped near= 6 years of your life.

Why are there so many posts outraged= =C2=A0 he got what=C2=A0 he deserved because he cut his drugs.Wake up. As= long as it's a benign cutting agent big fucking deal.. Part and Parcel of= the trade. Australia is Australia known for expensive shit quality drugs= for the most part..e.g. Out of the hundreds of pills=C2=A0 dropped probabl= y <10% were memorable those being mainly overseas or imported pills.
Silkroad has spoilt the fiends within us all
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: aussiepp on May 25, 2013, 01:32 am: Mmmm it would be good to know the vendors username...
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: jjandall on May 25, 2013, 03:17 am: = Quote from: seuss on May 17, 2013, 07:54 pm
Quote from: Tessellated on May 17, 2013, 05:01 pm<= /div>
Quote from: AussieMitch on= May 17, 2013, 12:59 am
...
In return, he received 1689.49 "Bitcoin" - the equivalent of $8= 447.45.
...

That does not sound right.

Defin= itely wrong.=C2=A0 1689.49 bitcoin would be 212,700 AUD.

He= was arrested in April 2012... Coins were $5 back then..
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: Wadozo on May 25, 2013, 03:25 am: This is purely a guess, but based on a few of the reported facts, this= bloke could be the former vendor DownUnderDan. The dates seem to line up= between when his vendor's account was taken over by an unknown person purp= orting to be him (before eventually and some what mysteriously coming to a= sudden close) and when this guy was arrested back in April 2012. He is als= o the only vendor I can recall selling only MDMA and Ice. I can't remember= him selling Ketamine but I could be wrong. He also might have had the Ket= for personal use only and not for sale. The MDMA and Ice only theory seems= to be supported with the police detailing an entry on his SR Homepage stat= ing -

An entry on the site spruiking Owen's wares promised "high qu= ality crystal meth and high end MDMA".

I am 95% sure that DownUnder= Dan used the following line (below) on his Homepage too as it rings a bell= for me -

"My goal is a happy customer, unlike most (not all) meth= dealers you meet face to face," Owen wrote in an April 18, 2012, entry on= the site.

I know some people thought he was from QLD but I can't th= ink of anyone else it could possibly be. That combined with the date he was= arrested and the type of drugs he sold has me thinking it's him. The only= other vendor that was busted during that time period from memory was DopeB= oyAus, but he never sold Meth or Ketamine.

Any other thoughts guys??=
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: jjandall on May 25, 2013, 03:31 am: = Quote from: Wadozo on May 25, 2013, 03:25 am
This is purely a guess, but based on a few of the= reported facts, this bloke could be the former vendor DownUnderDan. The da= tes seem to line up between when his vendor's account was taken over by an= unknown person purporting to be him (before eventually and some what myste= riously coming to a sudden close) and when this guy was arrested back in Ap= ril 2012. He is also the only vendor I can recall selling only MDMA and Ice= . I can't remember him selling Ketamine but I could be wrong. He also might= have had the Ket for personal use only and not for sale. The MDMA and Ice= only theory seems to be supported with the police detailing an entry on hi= s SR Homepage stating -

An entry on the site spruiking Owen's wares= promised "high quality crystal meth and high end MDMA".

I am 95%= sure that DownUnderDan used the following line (below) on his Homepage too= as it rings a bell for me -

"My goal is a happy customer, unlike= most (not all) meth dealers you meet face to face," Owen wrote in an April= 18, 2012, entry on the site.

I know some people thought he was from= QLD but I can't think of anyone else it could possibly be. That combined= with the date he was arrested and the type of drugs he sold has me thinkin= g it's him. The only other vendor that was busted during that time period= from memory was DopeBoyAus, but he never sold Meth or Ketamine.

Any= other thoughts guys??

DopeBoyAus was the one in QLD?

= If so, something I heard around the way IRL, his mate's exgirlfriend crimes= toppers'd them...
Pretty sure he made bail and is still going through th= e process?
Title: Re: Q0]
Post by: Dingo Ate My Drugs on May 25, 2013,= 03:37 am: = Quote from: samesamebutdifferent on May 24, 2013, 10:14 pm
<= blockquote class=3D"bbc_standard_quote">
Quote from: Jack N Hoff on May 24, 2013= , 01:34 am
Quote from:= samesamebutdifferent on May 23, 2013, 09:57 pm
The laws in Australia are a lot harsher than= some countries and it is a nanny state

What?!=C2=A0 Shadh1= would have got 25+ years where I live.=C2=A0 This guy would have got 25+= years too.=C2=A0 It seems Australia has some very lax drug laws from where= I'm standing.....

And if he was in the UK he probably would= have gotten away with community service. US drug laws are a fucking disgra= ce to humanity, there is little to be gained from making comparisons, count= ries not far from where I live kill you if they catch you with drugs, I sta= nd by my comments, Australia's attitude and approach to drug legislation is= draconian, if you could see how they waste tax dollars policing the nightc= lubs and streets of Sydney with sniffer dogs at 3am to catch a few kids wit= h the odd ecstasy pill you would understand my perspective.
I hav= e to agree with you. Whilst drug trafficking in the US might get you a long= er prison sentence than in Australia, no other country waste the police res= ources and time that Australia does on catching drug users. People with per= sonal amounts of drugs are targeted heavily here. Sniffer dogs are frequent= ly at train stations, streets, nightclubs, always at festivals. All they do= is catch end drug users and bring in revenue for the Government. Most poss= ession of drug offences are just a fine, possibly with a conviction recorde= d.
Title: Re: Q0]
Post by: Jack N Hoff on May 25, 2013, 04:08 am=: = Quote from: Dingo Ate My Drugs on May 25, 2013, 03:37 am
Quote from: samesamebutdifferent on May= 24, 2013, 10:14 pm
Qu= ote from: Jack N Hoff on May 24, 2013, 01:34 am
Quote from: samesamebutdifferent on May 23, 2013,= 09:57 pm
The laws= in Australia are a lot harsher than some countries and it is a nanny state=
<= /div>

What?!=C2=A0 Shadh1 would have got 25+ years where I live.= =C2=A0 This guy would have got 25+ years too.=C2=A0 It seems Australia has= some very lax drug laws from where I'm standing.....

And if= he was in the UK he probably would have gotten away with community service= . US drug laws are a fucking disgrace to humanity, there is little to be ga= ined from making comparisons, countries not far from where I live kill you= if they catch you with drugs, I stand by my comments, Australia's attitude= and approach to drug legislation is draconian, if you could see how they= waste tax dollars policing the nightclubs and streets of Sydney with sniff= er dogs at 3am to catch a few kids with the odd ecstasy pill you would unde= rstand my perspective.
I have to agree with you. Whilst drug traf= ficking in the US might get you a longer prison sentence than in Australia,= no other country waste the police resources and time that Australia does= on catching drug users. People with personal amounts of drugs are targeted= heavily here. Sniffer dogs are frequently at train stations, streets, nigh= tclubs, always at festivals. All they do is catch end drug users and bring= in revenue for the Government. Most possession of drug offences are just= a fine, possibly with a conviction recorded.

They do all of= that here in the US.=C2=A0 The only difference is, it's not a fine here,= you go to jail or prison.=C2=A0 Then often you get out and have probation= or parole which is just a trap to send you back.
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: jjandall on May 25, 2013, 04:15 am: = Quote from: Wadozo on May 25, 2013, 03:25 am
This is purely a guess, but based on a few of the= reported facts, this bloke could be the former vendor DownUnderDan. The da= tes seem to line up between when his vendor's account was taken over by an= unknown person purporting to be him (before eventually and some what myste= riously coming to a sudden close) and when this guy was arrested back in Ap= ril 2012. He is also the only vendor I can recall selling only MDMA and Ice= . I can't remember him selling Ketamine but I could be wrong. He also might= have had the Ket for personal use only and not for sale. The MDMA and Ice= only theory seems to be supported with the police detailing an entry on hi= s SR Homepage stating -

An entry on the site spruiking Owen's wares= promised "high quality crystal meth and high end MDMA".

I am 95%= sure that DownUnderDan used the following line (below) on his Homepage too= as it rings a bell for me -

"My goal is a happy customer, unlike= most (not all) meth dealers you meet face to face," Owen wrote in an April= 18, 2012, entry on the site.

I know some people thought he was from= QLD but I can't think of anyone else it could possibly be. That combined= with the date he was arrested and the type of drugs he sold has me thinkin= g it's him. The only other vendor that was busted during that time period= from memory was DopeBoyAus, but he never sold Meth or Ketamine.

Any= other thoughts guys??

Pretty sure this raid is the DopeBoyAu= s one. From what I heard he was the Geebung guy.. And the info to crimestop= pers was his mates ex..

Again though, just what I heard..

h= ttp://mypolice.qld.gov.au/blog/2012/04/20/closure-of-drug-operation-brisban= e/

"Police in Brisbane yesterday closed a major drug operation charg= ing 15 people with 770 offences including trafficking in illicit drugs.
=
Officers, including detectives from Dutton Park Criminal Investigation= Branch yesterday executed seven search warrants on properties across Brisb= ane, including Carina, Coorparoo, West End, Geebung, Bald Hills and South= Brisbane.

Operation Juliet Nighthawk commenced in January 2012 in= response to information provided to Crime Stoppers."
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: Fallkniven on May 25, 2013, 04:38 am<= /strong>: scorned woman... ha :)
Title: Re: Q0]
Post by: Wadozo on May 25, 2013, 04:46 am: = Quote from: Dingo Ate My Drugs on May 25, 2013, 03:37 am
Quote from: samesamebutdifferent on May= 24, 2013, 10:14 pm
Qu= ote from: Jack N Hoff on May 24, 2013, 01:34 am
Quote from: samesamebutdifferent on May 23, 2013,= 09:57 pm
The laws= in Australia are a lot harsher than some countries and it is a nanny state=
<= /div>

What?!=C2=A0 Shadh1 would have got 25+ years where I live.= =C2=A0 This guy would have got 25+ years too.=C2=A0 It seems Australia has= some very lax drug laws from where I'm standing.....

And if= he was in the UK he probably would have gotten away with community service= . US drug laws are a fucking disgrace to humanity, there is little to be ga= ined from making comparisons, countries not far from where I live kill you= if they catch you with drugs, I stand by my comments, Australia's attitude= and approach to drug legislation is draconian, if you could see how they= waste tax dollars policing the nightclubs and streets of Sydney with sniff= er dogs at 3am to catch a few kids with the odd ecstasy pill you would unde= rstand my perspective.
I have to agree with you. Whilst drug traf= ficking in the US might get you a longer prison sentence than in Australia,= no other country waste the police resources and time that Australia does= on catching drug users. People with personal amounts of drugs are targeted= heavily here. Sniffer dogs are frequently at train stations, streets, nigh= tclubs, always at festivals. All they do is catch end drug users and bring= in revenue for the Government. Most possession of drug offences are just= a fine, possibly with a conviction recorded.

I agree that Au= stralian Police do waste a lot of time and money busting drug users and low= level street dealers, but they are no where near like the Police in the US= , not even in the same league. They operate buy / busts in some states arre= sting people and taking them to gaol for making a $10 purchase of crack. I= know the Police here will arrest some people for carrying a pill but havin= g been on both sides of fence, I'll take the Australian Police over an Amer= ican Officer any day of the week. The US put a lot of resources into street= level dealers and users and are like a dog with a bone if they suspect som= ething is up. You would have to stand out like dogs balls here for a copper= to search your car or yourself in my opinion. I've been pulled over many= times in my life and have never been, nor has my vehicle been, searched.= I've digressed a little there, sorry about that!!

jjandall, are you= sure DBA was from QLD?=20
Title: Re: Q0]
Post by: jjandall on May 25, 2013, 06:10 am: = Quote from: Wadozo on May 25, 2013, 04:46 am
Quote from: Dingo Ate My Drugs on May 25, 2013, 03:37= am
Quote from: samesa= mebutdifferent on May 24, 2013, 10:14 pm
Quote from: Jack N Hoff on May 24, 2013, 01:34 am
Quote from: samesamebutdiff= erent on May 23, 2013, 09:57 pm
The laws in Australia are a lot harsher than some countries an= d it is a nanny state

What?!=C2=A0 Shadh1 would have got 25+= years where I live.=C2=A0 This guy would have got 25+ years too.=C2=A0 It= seems Australia has some very lax drug laws from where I'm standing.....

And if he was in the UK he probably would have gotten away wit= h community service. US drug laws are a fucking disgrace to humanity, there= is little to be gained from making comparisons, countries not far from whe= re I live kill you if they catch you with drugs, I stand by my comments, Au= stralia's attitude and approach to drug legislation is draconian, if you co= uld see how they waste tax dollars policing the nightclubs and streets of= Sydney with sniffer dogs at 3am to catch a few kids with the odd ecstasy= pill you would understand my perspective.
I have to agree with= you. Whilst drug trafficking in the US might get you a longer prison sente= nce than in Australia, no other country waste the police resources and time= that Australia does on catching drug users. People with personal amounts= of drugs are targeted heavily here. Sniffer dogs are frequently at train= stations, streets, nightclubs, always at festivals. All they do is catch= end drug users and bring in revenue for the Government. Most possession of= drug offences are just a fine, possibly with a conviction recorded.

I agree that Australian Police do waste a lot of time and money bus= ting drug users and low level street dealers, but they are no where near li= ke the Police in the US, not even in the same league. They operate buy / bu= sts in some states arresting people and taking them to gaol for making a $1= 0 purchase of crack. I know the Police here will arrest some people for car= rying a pill but having been on both sides of fence, I'll take the Australi= an Police over an American Officer any day of the week. The US put a lot of= resources into street level dealers and users and are like a dog with a bo= ne if they suspect something is up. You would have to stand out like dogs= balls here for a copper to search your car or yourself in my opinion. I've= been pulled over many times in my life and have never been, nor has my veh= icle been, searched. I've digressed a little there, sorry about that!!
<= br>jjandall, are you sure DBA was from QLD?

Will PM you, but= yeah 100% sure he's QLD.
Title: Re: Q0]
Post by: rocketgauze on May 27, 2013, 08:10 am=: = Quote from: Dingo Ate My Drugs on May 24, 2013, 12:17 am
And yes Australia is a nanny country= already and it is only get worse rapidly. I don't understand why people di= minish their freedom and demand the Government protect them from every pote= ntial threat. Nick Xenophon is one of the worst. I don't see why the Govern= ment has to regulate every aspect of everything from wearing helmets on bic= yles to trying to limit pokie machines. Do people have no self-control to= be able to stop themselves from playing pokie machines? I just don't see= the point in limiting bets to $1. And then we have the internet filter and= the long list of banned movies and books in Australia because the classifi= cation board thinks they are too violent. Can't adults decide what they wat= ch? Why does Australia always need edited games and movies, simply because= the Government says it's too inappropriate?

Poker machines= should be banned in my opinion. They provide no benefit for society.
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: rocketgauze on May 27, 2013, 08:18 am=: = Quote from: Wadozo on May 25, 2013, 03:25 am
This is purely a guess, but based on a few of the= reported facts, this bloke could be the former vendor DownUnderDan. The da= tes seem to line up between when his vendor's account was taken over by an= unknown person purporting to be him (before eventually and some what myste= riously coming to a sudden close) and when this guy was arrested back in Ap= ril 2012. He is also the only vendor I can recall selling only MDMA and Ice= . I can't remember him selling Ketamine but I could be wrong. He also might= have had the Ket for personal use only and not for sale. The MDMA and Ice= only theory seems to be supported with the police detailing an entry on hi= s SR Homepage stating -

An entry on the site spruiking Owen's wares= promised "high quality crystal meth and high end MDMA".

I am 95%= sure that DownUnderDan used the following line (below) on his Homepage too= as it rings a bell for me -

"My goal is a happy customer, unlike= most (not all) meth dealers you meet face to face," Owen wrote in an April= 18, 2012, entry on the site.

I know some people thought he was from= QLD but I can't think of anyone else it could possibly be. That combined= with the date he was arrested and the type of drugs he sold has me thinkin= g it's him. The only other vendor that was busted during that time period= from memory was DopeBoyAus, but he never sold Meth or Ketamine.

Any= other thoughts guys??

I could be wrong but if you read the= news article it says that he made 28 sales on SR for 172 total pills so he= may have only been selling MDMA on here.
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: Wadozo on May 27, 2013, 12:16 pm: = Quote from: rocketgauze on May 27, 2013, 08:18 am
Quote from: Wadozo on May 25, 2013, 03:25 am=
This is purely a gues= s, but based on a few of the reported facts, this bloke could be the former= vendor DownUnderDan. The dates seem to line up between when his vendor's= account was taken over by an unknown person purporting to be him (before= eventually and some what mysteriously coming to a sudden close) and when= this guy was arrested back in April 2012. He is also the only vendor I can= recall selling only MDMA and Ice. I can't remember him selling Ketamine bu= t I could be wrong. He also might have had the Ket for personal use only an= d not for sale. The MDMA and Ice only theory seems to be supported with the= police detailing an entry on his SR Homepage stating -

An entry on= the site spruiking Owen's wares promised "high quality crystal meth and hi= gh end MDMA".

I am 95% sure that DownUnderDan used the following li= ne (below) on his Homepage too as it rings a bell for me -

"My goal= is a happy customer, unlike most (not all) meth dealers you meet face to= face," Owen wrote in an April 18, 2012, entry on the site.

I know= some people thought he was from QLD but I can't think of anyone else it co= uld possibly be. That combined with the date he was arrested and the type= of drugs he sold has me thinking it's him. The only other vendor that was= busted during that time period from memory was DopeBoyAus, but he never so= ld Meth or Ketamine.

Any other thoughts guys??

I coul= d be wrong but if you read the news article it says that he made 28 sales= on SR for 172 total pills so he may have only been selling MDMA on here.

Quote=
The court heard recor= ds from the website showed Owen supplied 172 MDMA pills in 28 separate tran= sactions from April 16 to April 26 last year, as well as shipping three pac= kages of unknown drugs in separate transactions during the same period.

How does the vendor selling 172 pills in 28 transactions translate= into he was only selling MDMA? Not only were there 3 transactions which ca= n't be accounted for with regards to their content, but there are other way= s such as stealth listings in which items could be secretly sold by the ven= dor. I know this as I made a few custom orders with D.U.D when he first sta= rted and walked him through the process.=C2=A0 I can understand your way of= thinking but there is no one else (vendor) which springs to mind who fits= the bill.
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: rocketgauze on May 27, 2013, 01:42 pm=: = Quote from: Wadozo on May 27, 2013, 12:16 pm
Quote from: rocketgauze on May 27, 2013, 08:18 am=
Quote from: Wadozo on May= 25, 2013, 03:25 am
This is purely a guess, but based on a few of the reported facts, this blo= ke could be the former vendor DownUnderDan. The dates seem to line up betwe= en when his vendor's account was taken over by an unknown person purporting= to be him (before eventually and some what mysteriously coming to a sudden= close) and when this guy was arrested back in April 2012. He is also the= only vendor I can recall selling only MDMA and Ice. I can't remember him= selling Ketamine but I could be wrong. He also might have had the Ket for= personal use only and not for sale. The MDMA and Ice only theory seems to= be supported with the police detailing an entry on his SR Homepage stating= -

An entry on the site spruiking Owen's wares promised "high quali= ty crystal meth and high end MDMA".

I am 95% sure that DownUnderDan= used the following line (below) on his Homepage too as it rings a bell for= me -

"My goal is a happy customer, unlike most (not all) meth deal= ers you meet face to face," Owen wrote in an April 18, 2012, entry on the= site.

I know some people thought he was from QLD but I can't think= of anyone else it could possibly be. That combined with the date he was ar= rested and the type of drugs he sold has me thinking it's him. The only oth= er vendor that was busted during that time period from memory was DopeBoyAu= s, but he never sold Meth or Ketamine.

Any other thoughts guys??
=

I could be wrong but if you read the news article it says that= he made 28 sales on SR for 172 total pills so he may have only been sellin= g MDMA on here.

Quote
The= court heard records from the website showed Owen supplied 172 MDMA pills= in 28 separate transactions from April 16 to April 26 last year, as well= as shipping three packages of unknown drugs in separate transactions durin= g the same period.

How does the vendor selling 172 pills in 28= transactions translate into he was only selling MDMA? Not only were there= 3 transactions which can't be accounted for with regards to their content,= but there are other ways such as stealth listings in which items could be= secretly sold by the vendor. I know this as I made a few custom orders wit= h D.U.D when he first started and walked him through the process.=C2=A0 I= can understand your way of thinking but there is no one else (vendor) whic= h springs to mind who fits the bill.

The police had access to= his account and transaction history on SR (as well as his ledger). If he= made sales for other items I expect it would be noted in the report. I ass= umed the three orders of unknown drugs were custom orders, which is why the= y couldn't determine what he sold. Maybe he hadn't put meth listings up yet= and had them as stealth listings until he got up and running?

It wa= s a long time ago and his account was only acive for two weeks. There have= been many vendors since then so it's not hard to forget the vendor.
Has the sentencing document come up online yet? I saw falk... posted up so= mething before.
Title: Re: Q0]
Post by: Dingo Ate My Drugs on May 27, 2013,= 01:59 pm: = Quote from: rocketgauze on May 27, 2013, 08:10 am
Quote from: Dingo Ate My Drugs on May 24, 2013,= 12:17 am
And yes= Australia is a nanny country already and it is only get worse rapidly. I= don't understand why people diminish their freedom and demand the Governme= nt protect them from every potential threat. Nick Xenophon is one of the wo= rst. I don't see why the Government has to regulate every aspect of everyth= ing from wearing helmets on bicyles to trying to limit pokie machines. Do= people have no self-control to be able to stop themselves from playing pok= ie machines? I just don't see the point in limiting bets to $1. And then we= have the internet filter and the long list of banned movies and books in= Australia because the classification board thinks they are too violent. Ca= n't adults decide what they watch? Why does Australia always need edited ga= mes and movies, simply because the Government says it's too inappropriate?<= br>

Poker machines should be banned in my opinion. They provide= no benefit for society.
Neither do drugs, alcohol, tobacco, fast= food and more.
Doesn't mean they should be banned. It's a gamble. Peop= le enjoy it, let them enjoy it.
Why take away something people enjoy?= Drug are illegal, but people still enjoy them. That's why we are on Silk= Road.
The Government, as taken away drugs which we enjoy. Just because= the majority of people don't like drugs doesn't mean they should be banned= .

I hope you see my point.
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: Wadozo on May 27, 2013, 02:02 pm: = Quote from: Dingo Ate My Drugs on May 27, 2013, 01:59 pm
Quote from: rocketgauze on May 27, 2013,= 08:10 am
Quote from:= Dingo Ate My Drugs on May 24, 2013, 12:17 am
And yes Australia is a nanny country already and= it is only get worse rapidly. I don't understand why people diminish their= freedom and demand the Government protect them from every potential threat= . Nick Xenophon is one of the worst. I don't see why the Government has to= regulate every aspect of everything from wearing helmets on bicyles to try= ing to limit pokie machines. Do people have no self-control to be able to= stop themselves from playing pokie machines? I just don't see the point in= limiting bets to $1. And then we have the internet filter and the long lis= t of banned movies and books in Australia because the classification board= thinks they are too violent. Can't adults decide what they watch? Why does= Australia always need edited games and movies, simply because the Governme= nt says it's too inappropriate?
=

Poker machines should be bann= ed in my opinion. They provide no benefit for society.
Neither do= drugs, alcohol, tobacco, fast food and more.
Doesn't mean they should= be banned. It's a gamble. People enjoy it, let them enjoy it.
Why take= away something people enjoy? Drug are illegal, but people still enjoy them= . That's why we are on Silk Road.
The Government, as taken away drugs wh= ich we enjoy. Just because the majority of people don't like drugs doesn't= mean they should be banned.

I hope you see my point.
Quote fr= om: rocketgauze on May 27, 2013, 01:42 pm
Quote from: Wadozo on May 27, 2013, 12:16 pm
<= /div>
<= div class=3D"topslice_quote">Quote from: rocketgauze on May= 27, 2013, 08:18 am
Quo= te from: Wadozo on May 25, 2013, 03:25 am
This is purely a guess, but based on a few of the= reported facts, this bloke could be the former vendor DownUnderDan. The da= tes seem to line up between when his vendor's account was taken over by an= unknown person purporting to be him (before eventually and some what myste= riously coming to a sudden close) and when this guy was arrested back in Ap= ril 2012. He is also the only vendor I can recall selling only MDMA and Ice= . I can't remember him selling Ketamine but I could be wrong. He also might= have had the Ket for personal use only and not for sale. The MDMA and Ice= only theory seems to be supported with the police detailing an entry on hi= s SR Homepage stating -

An entry on the site spruiking Owen's wares= promised "high quality crystal meth and high end MDMA".

I am 95%= sure that DownUnderDan used the following line (below) on his Homepage too= as it rings a bell for me -

"My goal is a happy customer, unlike= most (not all) meth dealers you meet face to face," Owen wrote in an April= 18, 2012, entry on the site.

I know some people thought he was from= QLD but I can't think of anyone else it could possibly be. That combined= with the date he was arrested and the type of drugs he sold has me thinkin= g it's him. The only other vendor that was busted during that time period= from memory was DopeBoyAus, but he never sold Meth or Ketamine.

Any= other thoughts guys??

I could be wrong but if you read the= news article it says that he made 28 sales on SR for 172 total pills so he= may have only been selling MDMA on here.

Quote
The court heard records from the website showed Owen= supplied 172 MDMA pills in 28 separate transactions from April 16 to April= 26 last year, as well as shipping three packages of unknown drugs in separ= ate transactions during the same period.

How does the vendor sel= ling 172 pills in 28 transactions translate into he was only selling MDMA?= Not only were there 3 transactions which can't be accounted for with regar= ds to their content, but there are other ways such as stealth listings in= which items could be secretly sold by the vendor. I know this as I made a= few custom orders with D.U.D when he first started and walked him through= the process.=C2=A0 I can understand your way of thinking but there is no= one else (vendor) which springs to mind who fits the bill.

T= he police had access to his account and transaction history on SR (as well= as his ledger). If he made sales for other items I expect it would be note= d in the report. I assumed the three orders of unknown drugs were custom or= ders, which is why they couldn't determine what he sold. Maybe he hadn't pu= t meth listings up yet and had them as stealth listings until he got up and= running?

It was a long time ago and his account was only acive for= two weeks. There have been many vendors since then so it's not hard to for= get the vendor.

Has the sentencing document come up online yet? I sa= w falk... posted up something before.

Quote
=C2=A0 An examination of Owen's mobile phone revealed a us= er name and password for the Silk Road website, of which he was an active= member for about two months.

His account was active for two mo= nths, not two weeks. Using the process of elimination, there are only a few= former vendor's it could be where the time frame corresponds with events= that unfolded. Considering only 2-3 types of drugs were sold and the rathe= r smallish amount of vendor's around in those days compared to the present,= who else could it be? Time will tell I guess. :)=20
Title: Re: Q0]
Post by: Wadozo on May 27, 2013, 02:22 pm: = Quote from: Dingo Ate My Drugs on May 27, 2013, 01:59 pm
Quote from: rocketgauze on May 27, 2013,= 08:10 am
Quote from:= Dingo Ate My Drugs on May 24, 2013, 12:17 am
And yes Australia is a nanny country already and= it is only get worse rapidly. I don't understand why people diminish their= freedom and demand the Government protect them from every potential threat= . Nick Xenophon is one of the worst. I don't see why the Government has to= regulate every aspect of everything from wearing helmets on bicyles to try= ing to limit pokie machines. Do people have no self-control to be able to= stop themselves from playing pokie machines? I just don't see the point in= limiting bets to $1. And then we have the internet filter and the long lis= t of banned movies and books in Australia because the classification board= thinks they are too violent. Can't adults decide what they watch? Why does= Australia always need edited games and movies, simply because the Governme= nt says it's too inappropriate?
=

Poker machines should be bann= ed in my opinion. They provide no benefit for society.
Neither do= drugs, alcohol, tobacco, fast food and more.
Doesn't mean they should= be banned. It's a gamble. People enjoy it, let them enjoy it.
Why take= away something people enjoy? Drug are illegal, but people still enjoy them= . That's why we are on Silk Road.
The Government, as taken away drugs wh= ich we enjoy. Just because the majority of people don't like drugs doesn't= mean they should be banned.

I hope you see my point.

= I see it Dingo and totally agree with your sentiments. We each have choices= to make in life and as adults, need to take responsibility for our own act= ions and not blame everything else but ourselves if something goes wrong.= It seems the minority are always catered for and the majority suffer as a= consequence. The Government is involved in way too many decisions which af= fect a person's ability to live life. They wouldn't have a clue what is bes= t for each and every one of us and decisions which affect our quality of li= fe should be left to the individual/family to make. As long as you don't hu= rt others with a decision you make and work within the "boundaries", you sh= ould have the right to make choices which you feel are best for you and you= r family without the need for Government interference or regulation. We are= well on our way to becoming a "nanny state" (I know Australia is a country= , it's just a term of phrase) where we have a rule or regulation for everyt= hing we do. Why Government's need to get involved in every single detail of= our day to day life is beyond me. :) +1 Dingo for some good, honest points= .=C2=A0 ;D
Title: Re: Q0]
Post by: Dingo Ate My Drugs on May 27, 2013,= 02:55 pm: = Quote from: Wadozo on May 27, 2013, 02:22 pm
Quote from: Dingo Ate My Drugs on May 27, 2013, 01:59= pm
Quote from: rocket= gauze on May 27, 2013, 08:10 am
Quote from: Dingo Ate My Drugs on May 24, 2013, 12:17 am
=
And yes Australia is a nann= y country already and it is only get worse rapidly. I don't understand why= people diminish their freedom and demand the Government protect them from= every potential threat. Nick Xenophon is one of the worst. I don't see why= the Government has to regulate every aspect of everything from wearing hel= mets on bicyles to trying to limit pokie machines. Do people have no self-c= ontrol to be able to stop themselves from playing pokie machines? I just do= n't see the point in limiting bets to $1. And then we have the internet fil= ter and the long list of banned movies and books in Australia because the= classification board thinks they are too violent. Can't adults decide what= they watch? Why does Australia always need edited games and movies, simply= because the Government says it's too inappropriate?

Poker= machines should be banned in my opinion. They provide no benefit for socie= ty.
Neither do drugs, alcohol, tobacco, fast food and more.
D= oesn't mean they should be banned. It's a gamble. People enjoy it, let them= enjoy it.
Why take away something people enjoy? Drug are illegal, but= people still enjoy them. That's why we are on Silk Road.
The Government= , as taken away drugs which we enjoy. Just because the majority of people= don't like drugs doesn't mean they should be banned.

I hope you see= my point.

I see it Dingo and totally agree with your sentime= nts. We each have choices to make in life and as adults, need to take respo= nsibility for our own actions and not blame everything else but ourselves= if something goes wrong. It seems the minority are always catered for and= the majority suffer as a consequence. The Government is involved in way to= o many decisions which affect a person's ability to live life. They wouldn'= t have a clue what is best for each and every one of us and decisions which= affect our quality of life should be left to the individual/family to make= . As long as you don't hurt others with a decision you make and work within= the "boundaries", you should have the right to make choices which you feel= are best for you and your family without the need for Government interfere= nce or regulation. We are well on our way to becoming a "nanny state" (I kn= ow Australia is a country, it's just a term of phrase) where we have a rule= or regulation for everything we do. Why Government's need to get involved= in every single detail of our day to day life is beyond me. :) +1 Dingo fo= r some good, honest points.=C2=A0 ;D
+1 back. It's nice to see I'= m not the only one who thinks this way. It seems that most of the populatio= n is happy to sit back and accept that everything that is not beneficial to= the economy or potentially unhealthy be banned. Nothing infuriates me more= than seeing the Government ban things because if they are banned, they wil= l "help economic growth." Fuck economic growth. I would rather be able to= choose what I do in my lifetime and enjoy my life than lad a dull lifestyl= e with boundaries and restrictions on everything and have 5% more money to= spend.

I don't smoke, but I think tobacco should be legal for anyon= e who is old enough to make their decisions (18+) because it doesn't affect= me, same with gay marriage and gay rights and every other thing that harms= nobody but the person concerned. I really cannot see why gay people can't= get married. It makes people happy, so why not allow it? I understand some= Christian groups are against it, but it still doesn't affect them, What ab= out Julia Gillard? She is an atheist and she is still against gay marriage= - She has no reason not to allow it other than because she is controlling= and manipulative. Pokie machines aren't of much interest to me either, but= I still like the fact that if I ever want to use one, I can.

Fast= food is by far the biggest health concern in Australia, yet it is totally= ignored. I am against tax hikes for unhealthy food, because I know that it= would start out as a small tax on some items and then gradually increase= and extend to more and more food groups. I think the Government should enc= ourage healthy eating, but no further action is needed. People need to take= responsibility for themselves. The more the Government restricts things an= d governs every aspect of everything, the less responsibility people will= take for themselves. It will spiral out of control and in the end everyone= will be told exactly what to do and what not to do because they do not kno= w how to take responsibility for themselves. It is already heading that way= . I know people on here will call me out for saying what I'm saying is extr= eme, but if it keeps going the way it is, it will end up like that.

= I think it is quite contradictory to see people coming on to the forum of= a drug-selling website and saying pokie machines should be banned because= they aren't beneficial to society. We are all here because we use drugs,= which are NOT beneficial. Yes, they are fun and can expand our thought pro= cesses, but they are in no way beneficial. Drugs make our lives more intere= sting and give us something else to enjoy, just as pokie machines would do= for other people.
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: The-Truth on May 27, 2013, 03:01 pm: It's is harsh down under, it does not sound like getting gear there is= not easy and they are certainly leading the way in the online/postal drug= wars.

Sooner or later other counties will appraoch the Aussie's cu= stoms officials for "best practices" to deter SR's shipments into their cou= ntries
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: rocketgauze on May 27, 2013, 03:07 pm=: = Quote from: Wadozo on May 27, 2013, 02:02 pm

Quote
=C2= =A0 An examination of Owen's mobile phone revealed a user name and password= for the Silk Road website, of which he was an active member for about two= months.

His account was active for two months, not two weeks.= Using the process of elimination, there are only a few former vendor's it= could be where the time frame corresponds with events that unfolded. Consi= dering only 2-3 types of drugs were sold and the rather smallish amount of= vendor's around in those days compared to the present, who else could it= be? Time will tell I guess. :)
=

It just says he was a member= for two months, not a vendor.

The 28 transactions were done over a= 10 day period so, until it's shown otherwise, it looks to me he was only= a vendor for 10 days. They had access to his SR account and he kept a ledg= er so if he was vending for longer they would have known and it would have= been reported.
Title: Re: Q0]
Post by: rocketgauze on May 27, 2013, 03:08 pm=: = Quote from: Dingo Ate My Drugs on May 27, 2013, 01:59 pm
Quote from: rocketgauze on May 27, 2013,= 08:10 am
Quote from:= Dingo Ate My Drugs on May 24, 2013, 12:17 am
And yes Australia is a nanny country already and= it is only get worse rapidly. I don't understand why people diminish their= freedom and demand the Government protect them from every potential threat= . Nick Xenophon is one of the worst. I don't see why the Government has to= regulate every aspect of everything from wearing helmets on bicyles to try= ing to limit pokie machines. Do people have no self-control to be able to= stop themselves from playing pokie machines? I just don't see the point in= limiting bets to $1. And then we have the internet filter and the long lis= t of banned movies and books in Australia because the classification board= thinks they are too violent. Can't adults decide what they watch? Why does= Australia always need edited games and movies, simply because the Governme= nt says it's too inappropriate?
=

Poker machines should be bann= ed in my opinion. They provide no benefit for society.
Neither do= drugs, alcohol, tobacco, fast food and more.
Doesn't mean they should= be banned. It's a gamble. People enjoy it, let them enjoy it.
Why take= away something people enjoy? Drug are illegal, but people still enjoy them= . That's why we are on Silk Road.
The Government, as taken away drugs wh= ich we enjoy. Just because the majority of people don't like drugs doesn't= mean they should be banned.

I hope you see my point.

= Firstly, drugs, alcohol, fast food, etc, provide benefit to society way abo= ve poker machines ever could.

Secondly, you need regulation. There= are plenty of other forms of gambling people can enjoy instead of poker ma= chines. They target the poorest and least intelligent members of society.
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: Wadozo on May 27, 2013, 03:56 pm: That's untrue rocketgauze. To some people, Poker Machines are like an= escapism from the pressures of everyday life, just as drugs and alcohol ar= e too for some of us. Some people love to play the pokie's in the hope they= get the free spins, some play solely to win cash and some of us have a go= when where out and about after a few coldies. Each to their own. It's a ch= oice an adult is more than capable of making without the need for a Governm= ent to implement rules and restrictions and police them. PERSONAL RESPONSIB= ILITY is all it takes. We each have our weaknesses and shouldn't put oursel= ves in situations where we may circum to them without taking the necessary= precautions, especially if your on your own. An alcoholic would be silly= to go to a pub for obvious reasons, just as a person with a gambling addit= ion should stay away from places like Casinos.
There does need to be bou= ndaries with all things in life but one should feel free to live life as th= ey choose within those confines, as long as your actions don't interfere wi= th or affect others. A "freedom of choice" if you like. Remember, there's= more than one way to skin a cat. Which ever method you chose to do so is= really irrelevant as you end up with the same result, a cat with no skin.<= br>Yes, there are plenty of other forms of gambling which people could enjo= y but whether you're playing the pokies or betting on horses, at the end of= the day you're gambling! One form is not better than the other and just as= some people enjoy a day at the races, others love a beer and a flutter on= the pokies. It's a choice we should all be entitled to make as adults inst= ead of having a Government intervene with ridiculous laws and regulations= that they couldn't police anyway. Pokies are machines and don't target any= one. I play them occasionally and I'm definitely not poor and consider myse= lf a reasonably intelligent and productive member of society.

Dingo,= agree with you again!! Next, we'll be giving each other hugs!(lol) We don'= t need to pay any more taxes in this country as we are taxed to the eye bal= ls on virtually everything we use. Educate children and teenagers on topics= where as an adult, they'll be able to make an informed decision based on= the facts. If you can't understand that eating take away fish and chips ev= ery day will eventually cause you to gain weight in comparison to eating a= salad sandwich instead, then you're not being honest with yourself and nee= d to do some reading to familiarize yourself with the reasons why.
Some= common sense combined with you taking responsibility for your own actions= in life is all one needs to succeed and live a forfilling and enjoyable li= fe. Being tied down with excessive laws and regulations for everything we= do in life will just over complicate things even more than they already ar= e.
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: cryLOTT on May 27, 2013, 08:38 pm: Scary that a vendor keeps so much information that could be incriminati= ng to his customers.
I hope that he was an outlier, and he got caught be= cause of his more unprofessional conduct.
Makes me wonder if there is a= benefit in using several buying accounts, as LE would target bigger custom= ers first.

Bitcoins seem to open up a new avenue of being unfairly= f**ked in court, because I think working out the real amount in the local= currency is far beyond most LE. As with many other drugs, i.e. amount of= LSD is often calculated by weighing the whole blotter!!!

I've heard= a case here in the UK where someone was found with 50g of trichocereus pac= hanoi powder, and was charged with possession of 50g of mescaline...
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: Funbagz on May 27, 2013, 10:36 pm: This has probably been asked before but, how the hell did police get pr= obable cause to open his mail? Possibly in that country there exist no such= laws?
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: Dingo Ate My Drugs on May 27, 2013,= 11:26 pm: = Quote from: Funbagz on May 27, 2013, 10:36 pm
This has probably been asked before but, how the= hell did police get probable cause to open his mail? Possibly in that coun= try there exist no such laws?
It's Australia. The cops have insan= e amounts of power. They do whatever they want to try and arrest somebody.
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: Wadozo on May 28, 2013, 02:09 am: Seems like rocketgauze has pulled the pin on his account for some reaso= n. He just got started too. He's probably down at the local playing the pok= ies!! ;D
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: le botbahn on May 28, 2013, 02:37 am<= /strong>: = Quote from: Wadozo on May 27, 2013, 03:56 pm
That's untrue rocketgauze. To some people, Poker= Machines are like an escapism from the pressures of everyday life, just as= drugs and alcohol are too for some of us. Some people love to play the pok= ie's in the hope they get the free spins, some play solely to win cash and= some of us have a go when where out and about after a few coldies. Each to= their own. It's a choice an adult is more than capable of making without= the need for a Government to implement rules and restrictions and police= them. PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY is all it takes. We each have our weaknesses= and shouldn't put ourselves in situations where we may circum to them with= out taking the necessary precautions, especially if your on your own. An al= coholic would be silly to go to a pub for obvious reasons, just as a person= with a gambling addition should stay away from places like Casinos.
The= re does need to be boundaries with all things in life but one should feel= free to live life as they choose within those confines, as long as your ac= tions don't interfere with or affect others. A "freedom of choice" if you= like. Remember, there's more than one way to skin a cat. Which ever method= you chose to do so is really irrelevant as you end up with the same result= , a cat with no skin.
Yes, there are plenty of other forms of gambling= which people could enjoy but whether you're playing the pokies or betting= on horses, at the end of the day you're gambling! One form is not better= than the other and just as some people enjoy a day at the races, others lo= ve a beer and a flutter on the pokies. It's a choice we should all be entit= led to make as adults instead of having a Government intervene with ridicul= ous laws and regulations that they couldn't police anyway. Pokies are machi= nes and don't target anyone. I play them occasionally and I'm definitely no= t poor and consider myself a reasonably intelligent and productive member= of society.

Dingo, agree with you again!! Next, we'll be giving eac= h other hugs!(lol) We don't need to pay any more taxes in this country as= we are taxed to the eye balls on virtually everything we use. Educate chil= dren and teenagers on topics where as an adult, they'll be able to make an= informed decision based on the facts. If you can't understand that eating= take away fish and chips every day will eventually cause you to gain weigh= t in comparison to eating a salad sandwich instead, then you're not being= honest with yourself and need to do some reading to familiarize yourself= with the reasons why.
Some common sense combined with you taking respon= sibility for your own actions in life is all one needs to succeed and live= a forfilling and enjoyable life. Being tied down with excessive laws and= regulations for everything we do in life will just over complicate things= even more than they already are.
+1 Wadazo. Excellent post :)
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: Dingo Ate My Drugs on May 28, 2013,= 03:04 am: = Quote from: Wadozo on May 28, 2013, 02:09 am
Seems like rocketgauze has pulled the pin on his= account for some reason. He just got started too. He's probably down at th= e local playing the pokies!! ;D
=
yea I noticed that. Haha, or coul= d be a police account?
Clearly they think differently to most Silk Road= users.
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: Dingo Ate My Drugs on May 28, 2013,= 03:20 am: = Quote from: Wadozo on May 27, 2013, 03:56 pm
That's untrue rocketgauze. To some people, Poker= Machines are like an escapism from the pressures of everyday life, just as= drugs and alcohol are too for some of us. Some people love to play the pok= ie's in the hope they get the free spins, some play solely to win cash and= some of us have a go when where out and about after a few coldies. Each to= their own. It's a choice an adult is more than capable of making without= the need for a Government to implement rules and restrictions and police= them. PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY is all it takes. We each have our weaknesses= and shouldn't put ourselves in situations where we may circum to them with= out taking the necessary precautions, especially if your on your own. An al= coholic would be silly to go to a pub for obvious reasons, just as a person= with a gambling addition should stay away from places like Casinos.
The= re does need to be boundaries with all things in life but one should feel= free to live life as they choose within those confines, as long as your ac= tions don't interfere with or affect others. A "freedom of choice" if you= like. Remember, there's more than one way to skin a cat. Which ever method= you chose to do so is really irrelevant as you end up with the same result= , a cat with no skin.
Yes, there are plenty of other forms of gambling= which people could enjoy but whether you're playing the pokies or betting= on horses, at the end of the day you're gambling! One form is not better= than the other and just as some people enjoy a day at the races, others lo= ve a beer and a flutter on the pokies. It's a choice we should all be entit= led to make as adults instead of having a Government intervene with ridicul= ous laws and regulations that they couldn't police anyway. Pokies are machi= nes and don't target anyone. I play them occasionally and I'm definitely no= t poor and consider myself a reasonably intelligent and productive member= of society.

Dingo, agree with you again!! Next, we'll be giving eac= h other hugs!(lol) We don't need to pay any more taxes in this country as= we are taxed to the eye balls on virtually everything we use. Educate chil= dren and teenagers on topics where as an adult, they'll be able to make an= informed decision based on the facts. If you can't understand that eating= take away fish and chips every day will eventually cause you to gain weigh= t in comparison to eating a salad sandwich instead, then you're not being= honest with yourself and need to do some reading to familiarize yourself= with the reasons why.
Some common sense combined with you taking respon= sibility for your own actions in life is all one needs to succeed and live= a forfilling and enjoyable life. Being tied down with excessive laws and= regulations for everything we do in life will just over complicate things= even more than they already are.
Yep. 100% agree with you again!= Personal responsibility with freedom of choice is how it should work.
= However we have scum in our society who always blame someone else for their= problems. People suing McDonalds because they are grossly obese. Yes, I'm= sure McDonalds forced thousands of meals down their throats and tobacco co= mpanies put cigarettes into peoples mouths? No, they did it themselves, yet= it is not their fault... How?
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: morganeverett on May 28, 2013, 07:38= am: Always wondered: when did the trigger happy suing culture arise?
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: italosvevo on May 28, 2013, 12:51 pm<= /strong>: = Quote from: Dingo Ate My Drugs on May 28, 2013, 03:20 am

Yep. 100% agree with you again!= Personal responsibility with freedom of choice is how it should work.
= However we have scum in our society who always blame someone else for their= problems. People suing McDonalds because they are grossly obese. Yes, I'm= sure McDonalds forced thousands of meals down their throats and tobacco co= mpanies put cigarettes into peoples mouths? No, they did it themselves, yet= it is not their fault... How?
<= div class=3D"botslice_quote">

It's not as easy. I can see yo= u are libertarian - as I am, in a certain way, but one should not forget re= asons that push people to do things, to buy, to eat etc.
I think you ar= e aware that tobacco companies has been promoting themselves for a long tim= e, with powerful lobbies (billions of $, involving adds, politics etc.), th= ey had been knowing for a very long time that they were selling death, beca= use of these lobbies, politics didn't stop them. They wait until smoking is= really integrated in society and now try to stop people from smoking.
= We're manipulated. By whom ? Politics, education, marketing, medias, gregar= ious instinct etc.
It's all about education and good informations - it'= s obvious we don't have access easily to these.
Also about politic and= public organizations that can regulate things.

History tells us tha= t letting people do what they want to do because of what you call freedom= is just a way to let only some people overwhelm the economy by taking prof= it of the weaker.
We don't all have the same education, entitlement to= understanding, awarness... Social classes are still a problem.
I could= ramble more, but my broken english and tiredness don't help.

=C2=A0
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: motek on May 28, 2013, 01:21 pm: good point itsalosvevo I agree completely...have a look at the "Silent= Weapons for Quiet Wars" thread bro, mucho interestingo!

m m m= motek
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: Dingo Ate My Drugs on May 28, 2013,= 02:56 pm: = Quote from: italosvevo on May 28, 2013, 12:51 pm
Quote from: Dingo Ate My Drugs on May 28, 2013,= 03:20 am

Yep.= 100% agree with you again! Personal responsibility with freedom of choice= is how it should work.
However we have scum in our society who always= blame someone else for their problems. People suing McDonalds because they= are grossly obese. Yes, I'm sure McDonalds forced thousands of meals down= their throats and tobacco companies put cigarettes into peoples mouths? No= , they did it themselves, yet it is not their fault... How?

I= t's not as easy. I can see you are libertarian - as I am, in a certain way,= but one should not forget reasons that push people to do things, to buy,= to eat etc.
I think you are aware that tobacco companies has been prom= oting themselves for a long time, with powerful lobbies (billions of $, inv= olving adds, politics etc.), they had been knowing for a very long time tha= t they were selling death, because of these lobbies, politics didn't stop= them. They wait until smoking is really integrated in society and now try= to stop people from smoking.
We're manipulated. By whom ? Politics, ed= ucation, marketing, medias, gregarious instinct etc.
It's all about edu= cation and good informations - it's obvious we don't have access easily to= these.
Also about politic and public organizations that can regulate th= ings.

History tells us that letting people do what they want to do= because of what you call freedom is just a way to let only some people ove= rwhelm the economy by taking profit of the weaker.
We don't all have the= same education, entitlement to understanding, awarness... Social classes= are still a problem.
I could ramble more, but my broken english and tir= edness don't help.
I get where you are coming from. But I see res= trictions as unnecessary punishment. We are punished with ridiculous restri= ctions because some people show no self-control or responsibility.
It is= getting constantly worse too.

Yes I can see tobacco companies prom= ote their products (although they can't in Australia anymore), but so does= junk food.
These things are available for anyone to consume, but it sh= ould be our option to control ourselves. I just think that by constantly re= gulating things, people come to expect to be protected and it continues to= spiral that way.
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: italosvevo on May 28, 2013, 04:32 pm<= /strong>: = Quote from: Dingo Ate My Drugs on May 28, 2013, 02:56 pm
Quote from: italosvevo on May 28, 2013,= 12:51 pm
Quote from:= Dingo Ate My Drugs on May 28, 2013, 03:20 am

Yep. 100% agree with you again! Personal res= ponsibility with freedom of choice is how it should work.
However we ha= ve scum in our society who always blame someone else for their problems. Pe= ople suing McDonalds because they are grossly obese. Yes, I'm sure McDonald= s forced thousands of meals down their throats and tobacco companies put ci= garettes into peoples mouths? No, they did it themselves, yet it is not the= ir fault... How?

It's not as easy. I can see you are libertar= ian - as I am, in a certain way, but one should not forget reasons that pus= h people to do things, to buy, to eat etc.
I think you are aware that= tobacco companies has been promoting themselves for a long time, with powe= rful lobbies (billions of $, involving adds, politics etc.), they had been= knowing for a very long time that they were selling death, because of thes= e lobbies, politics didn't stop them. They wait until smoking is really int= egrated in society and now try to stop people from smoking.
We're manip= ulated. By whom ? Politics, education, marketing, medias, gregarious instin= ct etc.
It's all about education and good informations - it's obvious= we don't have access easily to these.
Also about politic and public org= anizations that can regulate things.

History tells us that letting= people do what they want to do because of what you call freedom is just a= way to let only some people overwhelm the economy by taking profit of the= weaker.
We don't all have the same education, entitlement to understand= ing, awarness... Social classes are still a problem.
I could ramble more= , but my broken english and tiredness don't help.
I get where you= are coming from. But I see restrictions as unnecessary punishment. We are= punished with ridiculous restrictions because some people show no self-con= trol or responsibility.
It is getting constantly worse too.

Yes= I can see tobacco companies promote their products (although they can't in= Australia anymore), but so does junk food.
These things are available= for anyone to consume, but it should be our option to control ourselves.= I just think that by constantly regulating things, people come to expect= to be protected and it continues to spiral that way.

I knew= you will know where I live.
I took tobacco as an example, junk food is= another one. I smoke, and sometimes eat junk food.
You way of thinking= is just too optimistic or elitist. People, because they're dying of tobacc= o, will stop smoking. Or because fast food is unhealthy, they will eat vege= tables ? That point of view is really not realistic, pragmatic nor convinci= ng !

Give a child an unhealthy hamburger and some vegetables :=C2= =A0 what, according to you, is he going to eat ??
It's not about self co= ntrol, only about education, as i said, and information.
About this exam= ple - food, you probably know that your palate starts developing before you= r birth. If a baby has only been used to eat sweet food, he probably won't= ever love vegatables - which are healthier (i mean genuinely).

I'm= really not saying governments should make law for everything. But you have= to remember that information is the key ; if you are uneducated, you simpl= y are unable to control yourself.
Medias only tell bullshit about most= important things, honest people are most of the time not listen or censore= d. Our history book are lying by omission, ETC.

Tobacco companies ca= n't promote themselves anymore, but they are one of the big lobby.

= Why ? Money ... but not money for everyone, only for some elitist groups.
Lobbies, politics, laws, rain, it's all about money, who cares about= you, your comfort, your hobbies, if you have no money ?
well fuck me
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: Dingo Ate My Drugs on May 28, 2013,= 05:14 pm: = Quote from: italosvevo on May 28, 2013, 04:32 pm
Quote from: Dingo Ate My Drugs on May 28, 2013,= 02:56 pm
Quote from:= italosvevo on May 28, 2013, 12:51 pm
Quote from: Dingo Ate My Drugs on May 28, 2013, 03:20 am=

Yep. 100% agree= with you again! Personal responsibility with freedom of choice is how it= should work.
However we have scum in our society who always blame some= one else for their problems. People suing McDonalds because they are grossl= y obese. Yes, I'm sure McDonalds forced thousands of meals down their throa= ts and tobacco companies put cigarettes into peoples mouths? No, they did= it themselves, yet it is not their fault... How?

It's not as= easy. I can see you are libertarian - as I am, in a certain way, but one= should not forget reasons that push people to do things, to buy, to eat et= c.
I think you are aware that tobacco companies has been promoting them= selves for a long time, with powerful lobbies (billions of $, involving add= s, politics etc.), they had been knowing for a very long time that they wer= e selling death, because of these lobbies, politics didn't stop them. They= wait until smoking is really integrated in society and now try to stop peo= ple from smoking.
We're manipulated. By whom ? Politics, education, mar= keting, medias, gregarious instinct etc.
It's all about education and= good informations - it's obvious we don't have access easily to these.
= Also about politic and public organizations that can regulate things.
History tells us that letting people do what they want to do because of= what you call freedom is just a way to let only some people overwhelm the= economy by taking profit of the weaker.
We don't all have the same educ= ation, entitlement to understanding, awarness... Social classes are still= a problem.
I could ramble more, but my broken english and tiredness don= 't help.
I get where you are coming from. But I see restrictions= as unnecessary punishment. We are punished with ridiculous restrictions be= cause some people show no self-control or responsibility.
It is getting= constantly worse too.

Yes I can see tobacco companies promote thei= r products (although they can't in Australia anymore), but so does junk foo= d.
These things are available for anyone to consume, but it should be= our option to control ourselves. I just think that by constantly regulatin= g things, people come to expect to be protected and it continues to spiral= that way.

I knew you will know where I live.
I took tobac= co as an example, junk food is another one. I smoke, and sometimes eat junk= food.
You way of thinking is just too optimistic or elitist. People, be= cause they're dying of tobacco, will stop smoking. Or because fast food is= unhealthy, they will eat vegetables ? That point of view is really not rea= listic, pragmatic nor convincing !

Give a child an unhealthy hambur= ger and some vegetables :=C2=A0 what, according to you, is he going to eat= ??
It's not about self control, only about education, as i said, and in= formation.
About this example - food, you probably know that your palate= starts developing before your birth. If a baby has only been used to eat= sweet food, he probably won't ever love vegatables - which are healthier= (i mean genuinely).

I'm really not saying governments should make= law for everything. But you have to remember that information is the key= ; if you are uneducated, you simply are unable to control yourself.
Med= ias only tell bullshit about most important things, honest people are most= of the time not listen or censored. Our history book are lying by omission= , ETC.

Tobacco companies can't promote themselves anymore, but they= are one of the big lobby.

Why ? Money ... but not money for everyo= ne, only for some elitist groups.

Lobbies, politics, laws, rain, it'= s all about money, who cares about you, your comfort, your hobbies, if you= have no money ?
well fuck me
I don't know where you live? Wha= t country are you from?

I suppose I see things differently to most= people because I am more open-minded than the majority of the population= and I do have very good self-control and the ability to make responsible= choices more easily than a lot of people. I understand that a lot of peopl= e need protection from certain things, but it seems wrong to limit others= freedom of choice at the same time. There should be an equilibrium, but I= feel that the equilibrium is constantly shifting and limits are being put= on too many things. It's going too far. When you have laws being proposed= that will completely illegalise tobacco, I just think that is wrong. I don= 't even smoke, but I think that it should be an option. Smoking is unhealth= y, but it's not destroying society. Drugs are illegal, yet I still use them= as do tens of millions of people worldwide. It seems unfair to imprison dr= ug users - Decriminalization of drugs would be a step in the right directio= n.
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: joolz on May 28, 2013, 05:28 pm: Thats just one way to get busted ... some of these vendors are keeping= addresses and threatening the police,saying there gona send them round and= say your dealing=C2=A0 .....=C2=A0 =C2=A0Serious shit & time
=C2=A0=
watch out all ...
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: cannaloverpopper on May 28, 2013, 05:= 49 pm: thanks for the info. this vendor gets the plum.
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: Wadozo on May 28, 2013, 07:01 pm: = Quote from: italosvevo on May 28, 2013, 04:32 pm
Quote from: Dingo Ate My Drugs on May 28, 2013,= 02:56 pm
Quote from:= italosvevo on May 28, 2013, 12:51 pm
Quote from: Dingo Ate My Drugs on May 28, 2013, 03:20 am=

Yep. 100% agree= with you again! Personal responsibility with freedom of choice is how it= should work.
However we have scum in our society who always blame some= one else for their problems. People suing McDonalds because they are grossl= y obese. Yes, I'm sure McDonalds forced thousands of meals down their throa= ts and tobacco companies put cigarettes into peoples mouths? No, they did= it themselves, yet it is not their fault... How?

It's not as= easy. I can see you are libertarian - as I am, in a certain way, but one= should not forget reasons that push people to do things, to buy, to eat et= c.
I think you are aware that tobacco companies has been promoting them= selves for a long time, with powerful lobbies (billions of $, involving add= s, politics etc.), they had been knowing for a very long time that they wer= e selling death, because of these lobbies, politics didn't stop them. They= wait until smoking is really integrated in society and now try to stop peo= ple from smoking.
We're manipulated. By whom ? Politics, education, mar= keting, medias, gregarious instinct etc.
It's all about education and= good informations - it's obvious we don't have access easily to these.
= Also about politic and public organizations that can regulate things.
History tells us that letting people do what they want to do because of= what you call freedom is just a way to let only some people overwhelm the= economy by taking profit of the weaker.
We don't all have the same educ= ation, entitlement to understanding, awarness... Social classes are still= a problem.
I could ramble more, but my broken english and tiredness don= 't help.
I get where you are coming from. But I see restrictions= as unnecessary punishment. We are punished with ridiculous restrictions be= cause some people show no self-control or responsibility.
It is getting= constantly worse too.

Yes I can see tobacco companies promote thei= r products (although they can't in Australia anymore), but so does junk foo= d.
These things are available for anyone to consume, but it should be= our option to control ourselves. I just think that by constantly regulatin= g things, people come to expect to be protected and it continues to spiral= that way.

I knew you will know where I live.
I took tobac= co as an example, junk food is another one. I smoke, and sometimes eat junk= food.
You way of thinking is just too optimistic or elitist. People, be= cause they're dying of tobacco, will stop smoking. Or because fast food is= unhealthy, they will eat vegetables ? That point of view is really not rea= listic, pragmatic nor convincing !

Give a child an unhealthy hambur= ger and some vegetables :=C2=A0 what, according to you, is he going to eat= ??
It's not about self control, only about education, as i said, and in= formation.
About this example - food, you probably know that your palate= starts developing before your birth. If a baby has only been used to eat= sweet food, he probably won't ever love vegatables - which are healthier= (i mean genuinely).

I'm really not saying governments should make= law for everything. But you have to remember that information is the key= ; if you are uneducated, you simply are unable to control yourself.
Med= ias only tell bullshit about most important things, honest people are most= of the time not listen or censored. Our history book are lying by omission= , ETC.

Tobacco companies can't promote themselves anymore, but they= are one of the big lobby.

Why ? Money ... but not money for everyo= ne, only for some elitist groups.

Lobbies, politics, laws, rain, it'= s all about money, who cares about you, your comfort, your hobbies, if you= have no money ?
well fuck me

No one pushes anyone into do= ing anything italosvevo. It's a choice that an individual will make based= on what they know about a particular subject. Sure, at times we can all ge= t a little down on ourselves through circumstances which really make life= hard, such as a death of someone close, a loss of your job or bugger all= money to spend on some of life's pleasures.
However, we are all born as= equals in the sense that every child is able to get an education through= the local Public and High Schools. School fees are not compulsory for pare= nts to pay, although most do pay them. There has been advertisements at var= ious locations for many, many years, mainly public areas and alike and with= the invention of the TV, that has continued to grow to it's current state= today. To suggest that advertising is the reason your being forced to buy= something is crazy. Again, instead of blaming the media, we should look at= taking some personal responsibility for the choices we make. We all have= choices to make at certain times in life which will affect our lives drama= tically.
If you give a child an unhealthy hamburger and some vegetables= , what will he/she eat. The answer is what ever they get to eat from me whi= ch I feel is suitable for their needs at the time. If they don't like it,= they won't be eating. I guarantee you though that the kids will eat virtua= lly anything you give them if you establish the boundaries with them early= on and stick to them. If a parent curtails to the ads on TV (fast food) as= a result of the kids having a tantrum then you're setting a precedent for= your kids on what they have to do to get what they want. Kids need to be= guided through life with a set of boundaries for them not to cross. Explai= n to them that if they break the rules by crossing the boundary, there will= be consequences for their actions. If they break the rules, parents MUST= follow through with a punishment so the kids know your serious about it an= d won't be backing down. They soon realize that if they stay within the bou= ndary and play, they won't be in any trouble and can still enjoy themselves= just as much.

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History tel= ls us that letting people do what they want to do because of what you call= freedom is just a way to let only some people overwhelm the economy by tak= ing profit of the weaker.

Examples please to illustrate your poi= nt. This is simply not factual at all. We all have freedom as it stands. Pe= ople should be allowed to do as they please as long as they do so without= hurting others and within the laws and regulations set out by governments= many years ago. These will require updates and new assessments should be= done as times change. A law made in 1923 will no doubt need to be adjusted= , tweaked, etc to work effectively in today's society. Each child is entitl= ed to an education and by law, must attend school. Entitlements are what a= person is entitled to as a result of the current minimum requirements set= out in our Industry Standards. People create their own path in life throug= h the decisions they make. At the end of the day, it their choice to make= and theirs alone.
Title: Re: SILK ROAD VENDOR JUST GOT BUSTED AND CONVICTED
Post by: motek on May 29, 2013, 12:35 am: nice post wadozo, we agree,

@italoslevo, we agree with some thi= ngs you said, but when you say this...

"I'm really not saying govern= ments should make law for everything. But you have to remember that informa= tion is the key ; if you are uneducated, you simply are unable to control= yourself."

It's not really the case.=C2=A0 Informed, educated peopl= e make 'wrong' decisions ALL the time, just like everyone else.=C2=A0 Educa= tion, while 'helpful' is not the 'be all and end all' when making decisions= .

=C2=A0As people have 'feelings' .. which are not 'facts' and they= do not neccesarily 'add up'!=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Consider what could be called "c= rimes of passion" . . . there usually doesn't seem to be much 'logic' being= used during most, they are often split second decisions made in the heat= of the moment, and the persons 'education' per se, has little to do with= their behaviour.

Not that long ago it was sufficient to 'blame' a= moment of passion for someone dying at the hands of another!=C2=A0 Esp 'pa= rtners' . . . I know here iz Oz until the 1970's, this was a valid defense= if you had killed your partner, and there are many people walking around= today who never would see freedom again in todays world were they to do to= day what they did 40 years ago!

The real 'problem' with our curr= ent 'nanny states' is that people really dont care when things dont 'direct= ly affect them' and are complacent enough to let this shit happen

No= w this^^^=C2=A0 IS a problem exacerbated by ignorance, and the better a per= son's knowledge about the topic which is often directly related to their ed= ucation, is another thing altogether!

interesting thread

m= m m motek=20

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