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Feds may be pursuing buyers
=C2=AB on: October 14,= 2013, 09:01:23 pm =C2=BB
Sorry for the scary title, but= I recently learned of something that I thought I'd share with you guys. I= also posted this over at the old forum.

A friend of mine in the Nor= th Eastern U.S. just received a letter in the mail, allegedly from a heroin= vendor from which she made a purchase just a couple days before S.R. went= down. She did receive her product safely. She and I are both rather sketch= ed out, since we heard that a few NY-based heroin vendors had been busted,= and this was a NY-based vendor. She had only placed one order ever on Silk= Road, and it was from this guy. I should also note that, against my advice= , she did *not* use PGP to encrypt her address.

The letter basically= referred vaguely to the fall of Silk Road and provided an email address fo= r her to contact if she wants a "grieving gift" and to get reconnected.
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We're concerned that it could be a cop attempting to bust her. I guess= it could also be the vendor legitimately trying to find more customers, bu= t why wouldn't he just set up shop on BMR or Sheep? And in any case, vendor= s are supposed to delete customer's address info after shipping. The fact= that this person did not do so is super sketchy.

I remember reading= a thread on the forums about someone having a similar experience recently,= which I'm trying to find. Meanwhile, any advice for her besides to ignore= the letter?
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Re: Feds may be pursuing buyers
=C2=AB Reply #1 on: Octo= ber 14, 2013, 09:55:34 pm =C2=BB
Chances of them going after a= buyer internationally who only made one purchase ever are slim to none. Sh= e should dispose of the letter and if anything happens act completely cluel= ess.

I read from a very popular (top 4%) cannabis vendor that only= about 30% of people pgp encrypted their addresses, and even now after movi= ng to bmr and all of this shit has hit the fan, he had twenty pending order= s and only 10 of them encrypted their addresses.

I would think in yo= ur friend's scenario the worst thing that could happen is future packages= being flagged. Tell her to not use the address anymore and she should be= fine.
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Re: Feds may be pursuing buyers
=C2=AB Reply #2 on: Octo= ber 14, 2013, 09:58:15 pm =C2=BB
It's not international. She li= ves in the U.S. and ordered from a U.S.-based vendor that only lives about= an hour or so from her.
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Re: Feds may be pursuing buyers
=C2=AB Reply #3 on: Octo= ber 14, 2013, 10:06:37 pm =C2=BB
I still wouldn't worry about= it too much. Tell her to keep a clean house if she wants to and to keep an= eye out for buyers to start getting busted.=C2=A0 At this point if they st= art going after buyers they will start from the top.

If you haven't= noticed they are doing the same with site admins (Ross) and top 1% vendors= .

Even if they had intercepted a small amount of H in the mail she= probably would've just received a love letter and been blacklisted with US= PS
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Re: Feds may be pursuing buyers
=C2=AB Reply #4 on: Octo= ber 14, 2013, 10:49:29 pm =C2=BB
There was also one smack vendo= r from ny using click n ship.=C2=A0 I almost wanted to hunt them down n str= angle them.=C2=A0
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Re: Feds may be pursuing buyers
=C2=AB Reply #5 on: Octo= ber 14, 2013, 11:12:34 pm =C2=BB
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Re: Feds may be pursuing buyers
=C2=AB Reply #6 on: Octo= ber 15, 2013, 04:10:26 am =C2=BB
She= and I are both rather sketched out, since we heard that a few NY-based her= oin vendors had been busted, and this was a NY-based vendor.

= I thought it was just one? http://poststar.com/news/local/police-queensbury= -shop-owner-bought-drugs-on-silk-road-website/article_8f45d126-0c1f-11e3-a5= 90-001a4bcf887a.html "Police: Queensbury shop owner bought drugs on Silk Ro= ad website"
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Re: Feds may be pursuing buyers
=C2=AB Reply #7 on: Octo= ber 16, 2013, 05:22:03 am =C2=BB
Even= if they had intercepted a small amount of H in the mail she probably would= 've just received a love letter and been blacklisted with USPS
Yo= u really don't know what you are talking about.
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Re: Feds may be pursuing buyers
=C2=AB Reply #8 on: Octo= ber 16, 2013, 07:21:06 pm =C2=BB
so is it true i might expect= a visit
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Re: Feds may be pursuing buyers
=C2=AB Reply #9 on: Octo= ber 16, 2013, 09:02:34 pm =C2=BB
You should ALWAYS expect a vis= it, even when being 99% secure(not sure there is a way to be 100% anymore).= I always expect the worst when it comes to this stuff...and the way I look= at it if I can't afford to flush the money I've used on this site down the= toilet, I shouldn't be on here in the first place.
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Re: Feds may be pursuing buyers
=C2=AB Reply #10 on: Oct= ober 16, 2013, 09:11:49 pm =C2=BB
Chances are the OP's vendor is= just desperate to get his operation going again, kept lists of addresses= (hopefully an encrypted list at least) and is recklessly contacting buyers= .

Small chance it's LE but I suppose it's possible. Either way if sh= e's a one-time buyer then clean up anything on the computer, though actuall= y if she's any kind of regular smack user I'm sure there's more incriminati= ng stuff around than the machine.

This isn't risk-free for anyone an= d believing otherwise is just burying your head in the sand. That said, ris= k is proportional to the amount of product involved, and reduced by your ow= n good security habits.

Caution is useful but paranoia isn't.
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Re: Feds may be pursuing buyers
=C2=AB Reply #11 on: Oct= ober 16, 2013, 10:14:31 pm =C2=BB
Quote from: CodoneCowbo= y on October 14, 2013, 09:01:23 pm
She and I are both rather sketched out, since we heard tha= t a few NY-based heroin vendors had been busted, and this was a NY-based ve= ndor.

I thought it was just one? http://poststar.com/news/loc= al/police-queensbury-shop-owner-bought-drugs-on-silk-road-website/article_8= f45d126-0c1f-11e3-a590-001a4bcf887a.html "Police: Queensbury shop owner bou= ght drugs on Silk Road website"
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This guy sold Suboxone to an= undercover (it looks like) thus leading local LE to screen his mail.
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Re: Feds may be pursuing buyers
=C2=AB Reply #12 on: Oct= ober 16, 2013, 11:51:38 pm =C2=BB
This= guy sold Suboxone to an undercover (it looks like) thus leading local LE= to screen his mail.

Sure, but my question was whether anyon= e else had been arrested.
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Re: Feds may be pursuing buyers
=C2=AB Reply #13 on: Oct= ober 17, 2013, 02:16:21 am =C2=BB
Cross-posting from the thread= Friend in law enforcement rang me today, putting together large task force= s.: http://silkroad5v7dywlc.onion/index.php?topic=3D312.msg9262#msg9262
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Quote fro= m: Burning Babylon on October 17, 2013, 12:45:14 am
I have Intel that many Swedish Individuals= have been detained particularly this and the previous Week, I do not know= how much of it is related specifically to PlutoPete but some of the Vendor= s busted here have kept Address Lists which have been enough for additional= Warrants. I have no Public Source for this and I doubt there will be any= for several Months, but they are definitely on the move. I'm warning any= Swedish Users reading this to clean house now, these are No Knock Warrants= and they've Invested Significant Resources into these Raids.

I'd wa= ger I will be able to Link a Source Confirming my Statements in around two= to five Months, but when that time comes it would be quite Pointless to sa= y "I told you so". You are not necessarily safe if you've used PGP if the= Vendor in Question saved your Address on a List which appears to be the Ca= se for some Vendors here. I recall the British equivalent to the FBI had 40= 00 Law Enforcement Officers for the Raids they had done so far, these are= probably not sitting around doing nothing but actively working with Law En= forcements around the World. I don't think Sweden is Unique in this Regard= but if you want to take your Chances in another Country go ahead.

It's in the End up to the Country in Question how far they will go,= Sweden is probably one of the worst Countries on Earth in this regard as= they feel it's OK to do warrants based on confirmed amounts ordered of one= gram only. Incredible Waste of Money to Conduct these Raids but Sweden wil= l most likely be the last Country to ever Legalize, in the event it happens= . 3D=
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Re: Feds may be pursuing buyers
=C2=AB Reply #14 on: Oct= ober 17, 2013, 04:40:11 am =C2=BB
I don't know what New York Her= oin vendors you're talking about. Maybe some H vendors got busted in NYC bu= t none if them were involved with SR. If they were you can bet that would= be all over the news.



Assume the letter is from a cop.
<= br>It's also possible that its from the vendor, and they may be either tryi= ng to get you to make a non-escrow deal with them and rip you off, or they= may actually be trying to legitimately conduct more business with you.
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In any case she shouldn't reply or anything. The fact that the vendor= held on to her address without her knowing means that he's not a good pers= on to be dealing with.
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Guys here's the deal with the whole "they're going= after buyers!" stuff:

Remember to think logically.

There hav= e been only a handful of arrests of Silkroad vendors thus far. The majority= of the largest vendors are still free; many of them have relocated to SM= and BMR.

If they actually have the addresses of all these buyers an= d vendors on Silk Road, and have had them for a while, why would they start= going after buyers, where their only guaranteed evidence is purchasing his= tory on SR (which, by the way doesn't prove that you bought drugs, only tha= t you attempted to buy them; not a hefty charge associated with that one),= when they could be going after all these other vendors, who they can be mo= re confident will be carrying large amounts of drugs?

You can shrug= that logic off if you feel otherwise, but at least try and think about it= this way:
If all they really need to be able to prosecute you is proof= that you attempted to buy drugs on SR, then it doesn't matter what you do.= They'll get you if and when they want to, and there's nothing you can do= about it.

If you feel safer cleaning house and going drug-free for= the forseeable future, power to you. But personally, I'm not gonna stop sm= oking weed, or living the way I choose out of fear that the cops are going= suddenly kick down my and search my apartment. If you do that then they've= already won.

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Re: Feds may be pursuing buyers
=C2=AB Reply #15 on: Oct= ober 17, 2013, 05:32:27 am =C2=BB
Chances are= the OP's vendor is just desperate to get his operation going again, kept= lists of addresses (hopefully an encrypted list at least) and is recklessl= y contacting buyers.

Small chance it's LE but I suppose it's possibl= e. Either way if she's a one-time buyer then clean up anything on the compu= ter, though actually if she's any kind of regular smack user I'm sure there= 's more incriminating stuff around than the machine.

This isn't risk= -free for anyone and believing otherwise is just burying your head in the= sand. That said, risk is proportional to the amount of product involved,= and reduced by your own good security habits.

Caution is useful but= paranoia isn't.

^this and this:

Quote from: ondine on October 17,= 2013, 04:40:11 am
= I don't know what New York Heroin vendors you're talking about. Maybe some= H vendors got busted in NYC but none if them were involved with SR. If the= y were you can bet that would be all over the news.



Assume= the letter is from a cop.

It's also possible that its from the vend= or, and they may be either trying to get you to make a non-escrow deal with= them and rip you off, or they may actually be trying to legitimately condu= ct more business with you.

In any case she shouldn't reply or anythi= ng. The fact that the vendor held on to her address without her knowing mea= ns that he's not a good person to be dealing with.
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Guys here's the deal wi= th the whole "they're going after buyers!" stuff:

Remember to think= logically.

There have been only a handful of arrests of Silkroad ve= ndors thus far. The majority of the largest vendors are still free; many of= them have relocated to SM and BMR.

If they actually have the addres= ses of all these buyers and vendors on Silk Road, and have had them for a= while, why would they start going after buyers, where their only guarantee= d evidence is purchasing history on SR (which, by the way doesn't prove tha= t you bought drugs, only that you attempted to buy them; not a hefty charge= associated with that one), when they could be going after all these other= vendors, who they can be more confident will be carrying large amounts of= drugs?

You can shrug that logic off if you feel otherwise, but at= least try and think about it this way:
If all they really need to be ab= le to prosecute you is proof that you attempted to buy drugs on SR, then it= doesn't matter what you do. They'll get you if and when they want to, and= there's nothing you can do about it.

If you feel safer cleaning hou= se and going drug-free for the forseeable future, power to you. But persona= lly, I'm not gonna stop smoking weed, or living the way I choose out of fea= r that the cops are going suddenly kick down my and search my apartment. If= you do that then they've already won.

i can't decided whethe= r it's LE subtly spreading FUD or really clueless but legitimate worriers.= amazing.
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Re: Feds may be pursuing buyers
=C2=AB Reply #16 on: Oct= ober 17, 2013, 07:04:52 am =C2=BB
Local busts - more than 2, les= s than 10 local, that were 98%+ probability SR related by time and history= in the past several days.
Most of these were probably more than 'person= al use' quantities unless 0.5 g [edit: kg] or more is personal use for you= for methamphetamine/cocaine, 10 sheets for LSD, 5 kg for marijuana, 2 kg= for methylone, etc. I mean in theory, I guess that is the bulk rate amount= for personal use for those who like to store up. (People are not usually= accused with surreptitiously opening a restaurant because they bought soup= at Costco in a flat...)

Check your local press releases, police blo= tters, as well as the pacer system. If you do have a pacer account through= school / anonymous / whatever, try to use the RECAP add-on to upload to th= e common database (unless the security experts on here say otherwise).
T= he court stuff can be delayed by some days, also sealed, up to weeks/months= depending on the situation.
Remember to search by each of the mail ter= ms - express, mail, priority, package, parcel, tracking, et cetera.

= Still think they've been mainly building a database for profiling, defining= a network, and building a higher-value target set/network, while selecting= some higher profile and politically unpopular cases (involving specific dr= ugs, crimes against persons) to go after to appease media/etc.
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Re: Feds may be pursuing buyers
=C2=AB Reply #17 on: Oct= ober 17, 2013, 08:08:00 am =C2=BB
Local busts= - more than 2, less than 10 local, that were 98%+ probability SR related= by time and history in the past several days.
Most of these were probab= ly more than 'personal use' quantities unless 0.5 g or more is personal use= for you for methamphetamine/cocaine, 10 sheets for LSD, 5 kg for marijuana= , 2 kg for methylone, etc. I mean in theory, I guess that is the bulk rate= amount for personal use for those who like to store up. (People are not us= ually accused with surreptitiously opening a restaurant because they bought= soup at Costco in a flat...)

Check your local press releases, polic= e blotters, as well as the pacer system. If you do have a pacer account thr= ough school / anonymous / whatever, try to use the RECAP add-on to upload= to the common database (unless the security experts on here say otherwise)= .
The court stuff can be delayed by some days, also sealed, up to weeks/= months depending on the situation.
Remember to search by each of the ma= il terms - express, mail, priority, package, parcel, tracking, et cetera.
Still think they've been mainly building a database for profiling, de= fining a network, and building a higher-value target set/network, while sel= ecting some higher profile and politically unpopular cases (involving speci= fic drugs, crimes against persons) to go after to appease media/etc.

Are you saying that 0.5g cocaine is an bulk amount?
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Re: Feds may be pursuing buyers
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Quote from: Clare= on October 17, 2013, 07:04:52 am
Local busts - more than 2, less than 10 local, that were 98= %+ probability SR related by time and history in the past several days.
= Most of these were probably more than 'personal use' quantities unless 0.5= g or more is personal use for you for methamphetamine/cocaine, 10 sheets= for LSD, 5 kg for marijuana, 2 kg for methylone, etc. I mean in theory, I= guess that is the bulk rate amount for personal use for those who like to= store up. (People are not usually accused with surreptitiously opening a= restaurant because they bought soup at Costco in a flat...)

Check= your local press releases, police blotters, as well as the pacer system.= If you do have a pacer account through school / anonymous / whatever, try= to use the RECAP add-on to upload to the common database (unless the secur= ity experts on here say otherwise).
The court stuff can be delayed by so= me days, also sealed, up to weeks/months depending on the situation.
Re= member to search by each of the mail terms - express, mail, priority, packa= ge, parcel, tracking, et cetera.

Still think they've been mainly bui= lding a database for profiling, defining a network, and building a higher-v= alue target set/network, while selecting some higher profile and politicall= y unpopular cases (involving specific drugs, crimes against persons) to go= after to appease media/etc.

Are you saying that 0.5g cocaine= is an bulk amount?

Its bulk for 1 line
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Re: Feds may be pursuing buyers
=C2=AB Reply #19 on: Oct= ober 17, 2013, 04:06:23 pm =C2=BB
Someone I know distantly got= arrested for drug possession and the local newspaper reported it as a "Sil= k Road Buyer Arrest".

The truth was that he got caught smoking weed= in public, had harder drugs on him, and told the cops that he had gotten= them from silkroad.

Yeah, drug buyers and users are arrested all th= e time.

There's a good chance some of them got their drugs off of si= lk road.

That doesn't mean they were caught through silk road.
Use your heads, kids.
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=C2=AB Reply #20 on: Oct= ober 17, 2013, 04:29:12 pm =C2=BB

Ar= e you saying that 0.5g cocaine is an bulk amount?
Ha, no.
0.5= kg, I didn't proofread. Thanks. 3D":)"


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=C2=AB Reply #21 on: Oct= ober 19, 2013, 05:24:16 am =C2=BB
I still can't understand why= people dont use pgp for everything its such a simple system and it for you= r own protection.
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Re: Feds may be pursuing buyers
=C2=AB Reply #22 on: Oct= ober 19, 2013, 12:52:05 pm =C2=BB
There's a site that continuou= sly updates with new drug-related arrests worldwide. Not sure how they get= the info, maybe from media but anyway, there's the odd 'man found with gra= m of cocaine after traffic stop', but the big busts with lots of people inv= olved are almost all pounds of dope, kilos of coke or smack etc etc. Like= in the UK they found 5M worth of heroin in some books and arrested several= men. That's likely old-fashioned police work, not silk road. I don't see= any recent silk road busts on there. (Granted I only looked real quick).Th= e darknet's a new thing for the police and the courts don't really "get" th= e idea of doing someone without hardcore physical evidence. It's much harde= r to prove than their tried and tested method of busting a dealer at dawn= and finding a field of weed plants up in the attic and a kilo of coke in= a cookie jar along with scales and baggies for example.

Here's the= arrests site:

*****Clearnet****=C2=A0 http://drugs.globalincidentma= p.com/

I think, although am only guessing, if there were mass silk= road busts happening it would have hit the media and there'd be massive sc= are stories everywhere. Also, it's been a few weeks since SR went down. Sur= ely they'd have coordinated it so they busted everyone they intended to bus= t simultaneously so they didn't get a chance to clean house/ destroy eviden= ce. They did Pluto pete and nod right around the time they did Ross. And th= ey had had the warrants in place for like 2 weeks so were waiting for them= to get Ross first.

What buyers should do now though is think hard= about what sloppy mistakes they made in the early days of using SR.
Then rectify those and start afresh when buying on new markets rather than= fretting about ifs whats and maybes of SR buyer busts. Worrying doesn't re= ally help you think clearly and thinking clearly and rationally is what you= need to be doing now. Use this period before the new SR goes up to learn= PGP, plus read up on ways of buying BTC anonymously and tumbling coins. An= d don't use or say anything online to do with SR/ BMR/Sheep etc that can li= nk you to your real-life identity. People in the old forums - especially "D= PR" - said all sorts of things that helped police get a profile of their re= al life personality. They linked the alleged DPR's Mises institute forum si= g to his ramblings in his real-life Linkedin profile for example. Nod, like= wise said stuff they're using against him in the vendor forums.

And= remember if you DO get arrested to say NOTHING other than asking for a law= yer.

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Re: Feds may be pursuing buyers
=C2=AB Reply #23 on: Oct= ober 19, 2013, 04:49:16 pm =C2=BB
When the Farmers Market went= down, I had one of the last orders of one who was arrested. I was on pins= and needles wondering if they were going to come after me but nothing ever= happened. It was 1/2 oz of weed.

They really don't have the money= or manpower to go after buyers.

To buyers, I say relaaaaxxxxx.....=
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=C2=AB Reply #24 on: Oct= ober 19, 2013, 04:56:35 pm =C2=BB
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Mos= t of these were probably more than 'personal use' quantities unless 0.5 g= [edit: kg] or more is personal use for you for methamphetamine/cocaine, 10= sheets for LSD, 5 kg for marijuana, 2 kg for methylone, etc. ...


That's a light breakfast where I come from
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Re: Feds may be pursuing buyers
=C2=AB Reply #25 on: Oct= ober 23, 2013, 07:32:41 pm =C2=BB
I stil= l can't understand why people dont use pgp for everything its such a simple= system and it for your own protection.

There are a lot of by= standers who hear about SR and get curious, think "this is the cool new thi= ng", and don't know the first thing about PGP. I didn't at first, and askin= g someone to explain PGP to you makes you look pretty retarded.
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Re: Feds may be pursuing buyers
=C2=AB Reply #26 on: Oct= ober 23, 2013, 08:14:06 pm =C2=BB
There was also one smack vendor from ny using click n ship.=C2=A0 I alm= ost wanted to hunt them down n strangle them.

Forgive my= ignorance, please, but what is "click and ship'?

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Security is a bit like religion... some things have to be take= n on faith.
Where security differs from religion is that security is NO= T retroactive.
Unlike Christianity, where you can come to Jesus, be 'sa= ved' and have all
your sins washed away, with security you can adopt Ta= ils or PGP, and be
secure from that point forward, but rest assured tha= t your previous sins
(security failings) WILL come back to haunt you an= d bite you in the ass.
DPR is the poster child for that, right now.
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Re: Feds may be pursuing buyers
=C2=AB Reply #27 on: Oct= ober 23, 2013, 08:34:29 pm =C2=BB
It is an online usps sneding= tool where you enter the returnee/sender address on their website and it= gives you postage.=C2=A0 Good to see you nightcrawler... wanna gimme some= +1 lol
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Re: Feds may be pursuing buyers
=C2=AB Reply #28 on: Oct= ober 23, 2013, 08:46:59 pm =C2=BB
And the addresses r stored fo= rever and not by the mail covers program but the usps servers.=C2=A0 its no= t good opsec.
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I still can't understand why people dont use pgp for= everything its such a simple system and it for your own protection.

There are a lot of bystanders who hear about SR and get curious, th= ink "this is the cool new thing", and don't know the first thing about PGP.= I didn't at first, and asking someone to explain PGP to you makes you look= pretty retarded.

Better to look retarded on a Forum such as= this, than to wear an orange jumpsuit.

If there is one thing that= the events of the last 3-4 months have taught us, it is the need for prepa= ration.=C2=A0 It's like they say in the military: "The more you sweat in tr= aining, the less you'll bleed on the battlefield." and "A lack of informati= on can kill you."

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Security is a bit lik= e religion... some things have to be taken on faith.
Where security dif= fers from religion is that security is NOT retroactive.
Unlike Christia= nity, where you can come to Jesus, be 'saved' and have all
your sins wa= shed away, with security you can adopt Tails or PGP, and be
secure from= that point forward, but rest assured that your previous sins
(security= failings) WILL come back to haunt you and bite you in the ass.
DPR is= the poster child for that, right now.
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Re: Feds may be pursuing buyers
=C2=AB Reply #30 on: Oct= ober 23, 2013, 08:50:23 pm =C2=BB
And the addresses r stored forever and not by the mail covers program= but the usps servers.=C2=A0 its not good opsec.

That's putti= ng it mildly.=C2=A0 Thanks very much for the info.

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Security is a bit like religion... some things have to be tak= en on faith.
Where security differs from religion is that security is= NOT retroactive.
Unlike Christianity, where you can come to Jesus, be= 'saved' and have all
your sins washed away, with security you can adop= t Tails or PGP, and be
secure from that point forward, but rest assured= that your previous sins
(security failings) WILL come back to haunt yo= u and bite you in the ass.
DPR is the poster child for that, right now.=
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Re: Feds may be pursuing buyers
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It really was putting it rath= er mildly.=C2=A0 Its outright dangerous to buyers.=C2=A0 Even ones like me= who buy tiny amounts.=C2=A0
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Re: Feds may be pursuing buyers
=C2=AB Reply #32 on: Oct= ober 28, 2013, 09:39:28 am =C2=BB
Vendor do stupid thing like= this then think all ok when no problems. Take much time for problems to co= me and make mistake stay there for very long time. Look at DPR situation.=

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Re: Feds may be pursuing buyers
=C2=AB Reply #33 on: Oct= ober 28, 2013, 12:07:06 pm =C2=BB
You mean there are heroin dea= lers in New York?

Fuck, and here I was thinking Basketball Diaries= was a fictional account of someone's life. Turns out there are junkies eve= rywhere.

Who would've thunk it?

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Re: Feds may be pursuing buyers
=C2=AB Reply #34 on: Nov= ember 06, 2013, 01:16:10 am =C2=BB
Someon= e I know distantly got arrested for drug possession and the local newspaper= reported it as a "Silk Road Buyer Arrest".

The truth was that he go= t caught smoking weed in public, had harder drugs on him, and told the cops= that he had gotten them from silkroad.

Yeah, drug buyers and users= are arrested all the time.

There's a good chance some of them got= their drugs off of silk road.

That doesn't mean they were caught th= rough silk road.

Use your heads, kids.

I just realized= that saying you bought off of Silk Road is a lot safer than naming your re= al dealer if the cops are pressing you for information.
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Re: Feds may be pursuing buyers
=C2=AB Reply #35 on: Nov= ember 06, 2013, 01:20:20 am =C2=BB
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Quote from:= murakumo on October 17, 2013, 04:06:23 pm
Someone I know distantly got arrested for drug pos= session and the local newspaper reported it as a "Silk Road Buyer Arrest".<= br>
The truth was that he got caught smoking weed in public, had harder= drugs on him, and told the cops that he had gotten them from silkroad.
=
Yeah, drug buyers and users are arrested all the time.

There's= a good chance some of them got their drugs off of silk road.

That= doesn't mean they were caught through silk road.

Use your heads, ki= ds.

I just realized that saying you bought off of Silk Road= is a lot safer than naming your real dealer if the cops are pressing you= for information.

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Re: Feds may be pursuing buyers
=C2=AB Reply #36 on: Nov= ember 06, 2013, 02:19:12 am =C2=BB
why anyone talks to the polic= e at all except for the sentence "am I being detained" followed by "am I fr= ee to go" is beyond me
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=C2=AB Reply #37 on: Nov= ember 06, 2013, 02:31:33 am =C2=BB
why an= yone talks to the police at all except for the sentence "am I being detaine= d" followed by "am I free to go" is beyond me

Lol that won't= go far if your caught red handed smoking weed in public.

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Re: Feds may be pursuing buyers
=C2=AB Reply #38 on: Nov= ember 06, 2013, 03:33:52 am =C2=BB
Quote from: ho= rse on November 06, 2013, 02:19:12 am
why anyone talks to the police at all except for the se= ntence "am I being detained" followed by "am I free to go" is beyond me
=

Lol that won't go far if your caught red handed smoking weed in= public.

#clueless #YourNotALaywer #lawclass

something= tells me if you're selling drugs on darknet you probably aren't a lawyer= either

you can find exceptions to any rule but in general not talki= ng to the police without consulting an attorney first is a pretty good idea=
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=C2=AB Reply #39 on: Nov= ember 06, 2013, 12:51:07 pm =C2=BB
Am I being detained?
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Quote from: Mag= ic Man on November 06, 2013, 02:31:33 am
Quote from: horse on November 06, 2013, 02:19:12 am
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why anyone talks to the poli= ce at all except for the sentence "am I being detained" followed by "am I= free to go" is beyond me

Lol that won't go far if your cau= ght red handed smoking weed in public.

#clueless #YourNotALaywer #la= wclass

something tells me if you're selling drugs on darknet= you probably aren't a lawyer either

you can find exceptions to any= rule but in general not talking to the police without consulting an attorn= ey first is a pretty good idea
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Quote from: ho= rse on November 06, 2013, 02:19:12 am
why anyone talks to the police at all except for the se= ntence "am I being detained" followed by "am I free to go" is beyond me
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Lol that won't go far if your caught red handed smoking weed in= public.

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Quote from:= murakumo on October 17, 2013, 04:06:23 pm
Someone I know distantly got arrested for drug pos= session and the local newspaper reported it as a "Silk Road Buyer Arrest".<= br>
The truth was that he got caught smoking weed in public, had harder= drugs on him, and told the cops that he had gotten them from silkroad.
=
Yeah, drug buyers and users are arrested all the time.

There's= a good chance some of them got their drugs off of silk road.

That= doesn't mean they were caught through silk road.

Use your heads, ki= ds.

I just realized that saying you bought off of Silk Road= is a lot safer than naming your real dealer if the cops are pressing you= for information.

how is it safer, more importantly, how does= it do anything positive for you (or anyone else)? it's a lot "safer" sayin= g "i choose to exercise my right to silence and i want to call my lawyer".= that should be the only thing said, whether you're caught red-handed or wi= th nothing but your dick in your hands.
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Re: Feds may be pursuing buyers
=C2=AB Reply #43 on: Nov= ember 14, 2013, 05:42:21 am =C2=BB
I stil= l can't understand why people dont use pgp for everything its such a simple= system and it for your own protection.

I've contacted a few= vendors and I use PGP.=C2=A0 None of them have used it to reply to me and= I make sure to include my public key.=C2=A0 Some vendors even put in their= profile that they wont bother looking at encrypted messages unless they co= ntain sensitive information.
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=C2=AB Reply #44 on: Nov= ember 14, 2013, 12:26:26 pm =C2=BB
= Am I being detained?

Yes, i have your gps location, ive saw= you from google maps smokin weed in the park kiddo.

SEriously, its= way more dangerous the real life fuckd up cops on the street than gettin= chased by internet, i mean, if you are not a big boy, just a customer, all= small amounts of drugs, they dont even care about it man, lets say you pur= chase 5g of sativa, they wont go after you even if they have all the real= data of you, its a waste of time, they get more just around the corner...<= /div>
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Re: Feds may be pursuing buyers
=C2=AB Reply #45 on: Nov= ember 14, 2013, 01:33:11 pm =C2=BB
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I still can't understand why people dont use pgp for= everything its such a simple system and it for your own protection.

I've contacted a few vendors and I use PGP.=C2=A0 None of them have= used it to reply to me and I make sure to include my public key.=C2=A0 Som= e vendors even put in their profile that they wont bother looking at encryp= ted messages unless they contain sensitive information.

how= is a vendor to know there is sensitive information without decrypting firs= t...they just pain fucking lazy and it is stupid to send anything incrimina= ting without encryption.=C2=A0 there needs to be some strict guidelines put= in place for members. i mean fuck, it not only your own life at stake but= others as well
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=C2=AB Reply #46 on: Yesterday at 03:41:32 am =C2=BB
Has there been any recent bus= t in canada related to SR?
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=C2=AB Reply #47 on: Yesterday at 07:07:35 am =C2=BB
I really do love how the new= SR has the option to fully utilize PGP encryption.=C2=A0 Whenever I sign= in it ask me to decrypt a message in order to fully access the site.=C2=A0= I think all blackmarket sites should implement this.
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Chanc= es of them going after a buyer internationally who only made one purchase= ever are slim to none. She should dispose of the letter and if anything ha= ppens act completely clueless.

I read from a very popular (top 4%)= cannabis vendor that only about 30% of people pgp encrypted their addresse= s, and even now after moving to bmr and all of this shit has hit the fan,= he had twenty pending orders and only 10 of them encrypted their addresses= .

I would think in your friend's scenario the worst thing that could= happen is future packages being flagged. Tell her to not use the address= anymore and she should be fine.
i am a vendor on Shep and I have= sent out over 350 orders. Out of those orders, most (60-70%) use PGP. I ca= nnot stress enough of the importnce of using PGP!! If you use PGP, then eve= n if the site is taken down, they have nothing on you! PGP is for you guys,= =C2=A0 the customers safety! I'm trying to help you guys be as safe as posi= ble, but unfortunately, 25-30% o customers are too lazy or cannot figure ou= t PGP.
By the way, if soemone needs help learning PGP, please contact me= and i will be happy to help you..(Anything to make the FBI's job harder LO= L)
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