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Market => Product offers => Topic started by: mescalmarvin on January 28, 2012, 11:54 pm
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Hello all, long time lurker and life-long tripper here,
Just letting you all know that someone known well is going to synthesis some mescaline via vanillin. It will only take her a few months to gather all her supplies and get it made, but once she does...
$30 - 1/3 g
$40 - 1/5 g
$70 - 1 g
$325 - 5 g
Yes those prices are "too good to be true" but the price of synthesis is far cheaper than the price of extraction, thus the final product will be in greater abundance. As it stands, she has proposed that she will have no less that 600g and no more than 1200g, as if that is some sort of limiting amount, so bulk deals may be made available.
Love and Light
MM
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Mescaline, only 70 bucks a gram? I cant wait. Please PM me as soon as the listing is up!
Your right though, this does sound too good to be true. But I guess only time will tell.
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I am also interested. Please pm me when the listing it up.
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I'd pick up a couple grams for sure
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Sweet, synthetic mescaline. Is the trip exactly the same as if you were to do an extraction?
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really, only a few months to wait? good to know.
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Sweet, synthetic mescaline. Is the trip exactly the same as if you were to do an extraction?
According some some research I just did, it appears the answer will be 'yes'.
clearnet: http://www.erowid.org/ask/ask.php?ID=2962
Mescaline can be created synthetically in the lab starting with other synthetic chemicals. Or it can be created by plants such as peyote. Both processes result in the same molecule...mescaline. Thus the potency of the resulting mescaline is the same in both cases.
Mescaline can be extracted from peyote in a variety of ways. Depending on the method used, the results can vary. A high-quality extraction would result in pure mescaline nearly indistinguishable from synthetically produced material
So in both cases its likely to be somewhat pure 3,4,5-trimethoxyphenethylamine.
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Wow. I'm in!
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Please PM me as well when this is made available.
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Sweet, synthetic mescaline. Is the trip exactly the same as if you were to do an extraction?
It will be very similar, I'm sure, but if I had to guess, I would say it will be a little less sedating. You can get very pure mescaline from cacti, but the cacti also contain several similar alkaloids that are soluble in all the same solvents. What does this mean? Well, in short, unless you went through some chromatography, you will never get pure mescaline from cactus. Even if it is very white and clean, what you will get will be at least 2-3 different, albeit very pure, alkaloids. All of my older hippie friends have said that mescaline is much more colorful than any cactus extracts, so that's what I am basing my theory on.
Anyway, I will be sure to let everyone know when this happens. I'm very excited just to be a part of it so lets hope my friend survives the synth ;D I know she will be using dimethyl sulfate in the process somewhere and that scares the hell outta me.
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Definitely interested! Keep us all updated when it arrives.
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I will definitely want at least a gram. Please PM me when it is available. Thanks!
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Sounds like an awesome deal!
I would definitely be up for more mesc.
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Always wanted to try mescaline.
I'll be watching your updates ;)
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If this turns out to be valid I'll be the first to order.
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Also interested, in case you're giving people a heads up at the time.
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As soon as it's available I'll snatch a gram. 8)
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I'd be very interested in this! My last mescaline order didn't turn out very well. And so as a newbie, I will say people will be somewhat skeptical of you. But It'd be pretty awesome, and I'd love to try some out.
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I concur.. i really want this.. plus your saving the trees (cacti) by not slaughtering them for the sake of psychedelia :) these prices are so much more doable
.. will this be shipping from US?
@ tordemon did you get your last mescaline batch from SR? if so id liek to know more about that.. been looking around..
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I concur.. i really want this.. plus your saving the trees (cacti) by not slaughtering them for the sake of psychedelia :) these prices are so much more doable
.. will this be shipping from US?
This was actually my concern as well at first. Saving "trees" as you put it. Even though I know of a source who harvests his safely, so as to leave the plant alive, it would have been a lot of money for a much smaller amount of less pure product. So I talk to a chemistry-inclined friend, she works up a synth and says this will make 500-1200 g for around the same price of 100-300g worth of cacti. So in that respect it is saving "trees" on 2 levels. People think extraction is better, and it is in the respect that almost anyone can do it, but synthesis is by far mor economic, and ecological as well, like you said.
On the timeline, guys, I'm not 100%. This is a big undertaking and buying all the proper equipment and chemicals will take months by itself. I will try my best to keep updating as best I can. To make this easier the process will go in this order;
Vanillin ---> 5-Iodovanillin ---> 5-Hydroxyvanillin --DMS--> 3,4,5-TMB ---> 3,4,5TMnS --->M
So, I will reply back as each stage is being started or finished, by saying something like, "Beginning 5-Iodovanillin---> 5-Hydroxyvanillin," or "Finished with 5-Hydroxyvanillin--->3,4,5TMB" and that way everyone will know where we are at on our end. Trying to set an actual time limit on this is like trying to predict when a tornado will form, there's just too many variables. This is the best way I can come up with to let the community know how far along we are, but it still won't give you a time frame per se.
And yes, we will be shipping from the US. I have ordered and shipped things before with no problems. 3x Vac seal, anti-smelly stuff, bubble wrap, big, thick envelopes: You're order will get to you.
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Pretty cool. Definitely interested. If you're making a list of people to PM when this goes down, please add me to that list. Domestic shipping to boot! :D
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Top tip: that nitrostyrene reduction is an absolute shit of a reaction if you don't have lithal, buy in some borohydride to take it down to the nitroethane. That way you can avoid horrible condensation reactions taking place when you try to do a CTH or similar.. Good luck! ;D
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Vanillin ---> 5-Iodovanillin ---> 5-Hydroxyvanillin --DMS--> 3,4,5-TMB ---> 3,4,5TMnS --->M
DMS - DiMethylSulfate ? Be careful, it's very cancerogenic and mutogenic substance.
Also, I wonder about final Mescaline, will it be Mescaline Sulfate or Mescaline HCL ?
Cause for the same intensity of trip you will need almost two times of Mescaline Sulfate, than Mescaline HCL.
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All I can say is good luck. But prepare for some shitty yields, our chemist said that info available on internet is worth nothing and he had to calibrate the steps by himself to get 80%+ yield, otherwise he was getting 10% yield.
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Exciting news! I'd like to be informed when this is available.
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I have to think if it were as easy as you make it sound lots of others would do it, but I still interested. Please, PM and I'm good for 5gm if its legit.
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Actually, we're not getting most of this info off of the net, but from patents and legitimate sources. The two-step NS condensation is easy enough, the problem I\we have right now is that we've been broke as shit and thus can't afford to put our financial stability in the pursuit of this rare gem.
Sorry its been so long without an update, my computer has been f'd in the a and we just got it out of the shop.
@guywhothinksmarvin'sstupid - Yeah DMS will kill you if your ignorant to what its capable of, but honestly MeI/DMF won't put out near the yields that its slightly more toxic friend will. Besides, we have a fully encapsulated level a suit with a PAPR and scuba tank(my choice depending on my confidence level at the time ;)) we thank you for your concern, tho.
So, as it stands we are at a stand-still. Actually we are looking for a good safrole source for something to do for fun and extra cash until we can accrue the amount of supplies for such a large undertaking. If anyone might be able to help in that respect it would move this along faster. We have some funds available, and also people who will back us for a simple synth like molly. We realize that SR need another Mol dealer like it needs another server crash but hey, we gotta eat. Also, if you find me a legit source for 'frole we can almost just give you a handfull of shards... we won't say how cheap it would be, but lets just say you'll get a fitting reward for such a nobel service.
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I always wanted to try mescaline but the price has been holding me back. Hope this will happen.
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I'm sorry to hear about that setback. That's terribly unfortunate. I wish I had some knowledge in that area at all so I could help you along, but, alas, I really have neither the knowledge nor the sources. =[
I wish you the best of luck, though.
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Erowid says 200 to 300mg of mescaline is common. Is this based on the extraction purity or total purity? Would this synthetic stuff only require 100 to 150mg?
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for a high quality extract you want 300mg just for threshold effects, I usually enjoy a full blown trip on 500-600mgs.
There are actually many other alkaloids that come out in an extraction, which, I have been told, each add their own flavor to the trip. I'd imagine a quality extract would be in the range of 80-90% Alkaloids, of which most is probably mescaline itself, so I'm not sure if the dosage on 100% synthetic mescaline would be half of an extract. Maybe a crude extract, but any decent extract, with a sep funnel and a proper titration to "salt" the alkaloids, would be, imo, 70-80% the potency of 100% syntethic mescaline.
I've only tried extracts, would love to try some synthetic at some point just so I could compare doses and effects. Guess I'll have to wait...
And good luck gettin safrole? That's like saying, give me a bunch of psuedophed and i'll give you some meth for cheap? The fact that safrole --> MDMA synthesis is so cheap, easy and high yielding means that buying safrole will get you on a list you don't want to be on -_-
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for a high quality extract you want 300mg just for threshold effects, I usually enjoy a full blown trip on 500-600mgs.
There are actually many other alkaloids that come out in an extraction, which, I have been told, each add their own flavor to the trip. I'd imagine a quality extract would be in the range of 80-90% Alkaloids, of which most is probably mescaline itself, so I'm not sure if the dosage on 100% synthetic mescaline would be half of an extract. Maybe a crude extract, but any decent extract, with a sep funnel and a proper titration to "salt" the alkaloids, would be, imo, 70-80% the potency of 100% syntethic mescaline.
I've only tried extracts, would love to try some synthetic at some point just so I could compare doses and effects. Guess I'll have to wait...
And good luck gettin safrole? That's like saying, give me a bunch of psuedophed and i'll give you some meth for cheap? The fact that safrole --> MDMA synthesis is so cheap, easy and high yielding means that buying safrole will get you on a list you don't want to be on -_-
$30/hit? Thats alot, must be amazing. Even at that price I have to try it atleast once.