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Title: Profiling postal package 101 straight from the feds ;)
Post by: Dominatrix on 14 April 2012, 23:18:49
FBI Law Enforcement Bulletin via Findarticles



Most Americans use the U.S. Postal Service nearly every day. Whether to send bills to clients, advertise for new customers, or exchange letters with friends, citizens rely on the Postal Service to help them conduct their professional and personal business. Unfortunately, some people use it to conduct illegal business--namely, drug distribution.

In Omaha, Nebraska, authorities have taken steps to cut off the drug trade conducted by mail. In 1988. inspectors from the U.S. Postal Inspection Service proposed a partnership with the Omaha, Nebraska, Police Department's Narcotics Unit to interdict drugs transported into the city by mail. Prior intelligence gathering revealed that dealers smuggled large amounts of cocaine into Omaha simply by wrapping up the drugs and mailing them at the post office. Smugglers often used express delivery methods because the demands of quick delivery lowered the chances of detection by postal inspectors.

The joint operation has yielded positive results. In one early case, inspectors intercepted a suspicious package mailed from Los Angeles, California, to an Omaha address. Based on the subsequent investigation, inspectors obtained a search warrant for the package, which contained 6 ounces (186 grams) of powdered cocaine.

The drugs led the joint team to a big arrest when an undercover postal inspector made a controlled delivery of the package to the mailing address in Omaha, and police officers immediately executed a search warrant on the location. Inside, officers apprehended a hard core gang member who had relocated from southern California and established gun- and drug-running operations in the city. The success of this operation and others like it stemmed from two factors: Use of a package profile to identify suspicious parcels and close cooperation between the U.S. Postal Inspection Service and the Omaha Police Narcotics Unit during the investigatory process.

THE PROFILE
To identify pieces of mail that might contain controlled substances, postal inspectors rely on a package profile based on a readily discernable, predetermined set of criteria. Past court decisions make clear that the regular application of a consistent set of criteria is not intrusive.(1) Using the profile helps establish reasonable suspicion, which is required by the Postal Service to detain mail for examination.(2)

The profile sets criteria for both the package's condition and its label. Taken individually, few of the criteria would indicate that the package contains contraband; however, a combination of these factors indicates a suspicious package worthy of a second look.

First, in terms of the package itself, inspectors look for parcels that have been heavily taped along the seams, have been prepared poorly for mailing, have an uneven weight distribution, or apparently have been reused. However, inspectors do not identify questionable pieces of mail only by sight; suspicious packages frequently emit odors of marijuana or of a masking agent, such as perfume, coffee, or fabric-softener sheets.

Second, package labels often provide clues. Inspectors look for labels that have been handwritten; contain misspelled names, streets, or cities; originate from a drug-source State; and have been sent from one person to another, not from a business to an individual. Further identifiers include a return address ZIP code that does not match the accepting post office ZIP code or a fictitious return address. Finally, the names of the sender and/or the receiver frequently have a common ring to them, such as John Smith, and have no connection to either address.

Postal inspectors receive copies of all labels from packages signed for by the recipient. If a particular address receives multiple deliveries from a drug-source State, for example, inspectors will check with postal carriers at both the sending and receiving addresses to verify names and addresses. If the return address is fictitious or if the listed names do not have a connection to either address, inspectors will be alert to intercept future packages.

THE INVESTIGATION
The Postal Inspection Service bears responsibility for detecting suspicious packages. This type of investigation requires patience, because inspectors routinely examine hundreds of mailing labels on packages sent through the mail. Through these examinations, inspectors attempt to recognize packages matching the profile characteristics. When they locate a suspicious package, the investigation begins.

Present Package to Drug Dog
Upon discovery of a suspicious package, postal inspectors notify the Omaha Police Narcotics Unit. The unit's supervisor assigns a drug dog handler to meet with the inspector and present the package to the dog.

Presentation strategies vary. Sometimes the handler hides the package to see if the dog can sniff out its location. At other times, the handler presents the suspicious package to the dog, along with other similar parcels.

The dog handler carefully records the details of the presentation for future use as search warrant documentation. The dog's positive reaction to the package indicates the presence of drugs, which in many cases establishes probable cause to prepare a search warrant to inspect the parcel's contents.

Suspicious package investigations typically require two search warrants: One to open and search the package and one to search the mailing address after delivery of the parcel. Postal inspectors and police investigators work closely to ensure that all documentation for the warrants is complete and accurate, important factors in obtaining evidence and prosecuting the case.

Searching the Package
Because the U.S. mail falls under Federal jurisdiction, a Federal warrant must be obtained for any suspicious package. The police drug dog handler helps the inspector prepare the affidavit because they must provide the magistrate with a history of the dog's reliability and past achievements.

Having obtained the warrant, postal inspectors open the package. This important step must not be dealt with carelessly. The package might need to be resealed for a controlled delivery, so inspectors must exercise caution. To preserve fingerprints on any item or contraband, the person opening the package wears rubber gloves. Inspectors also photograph the opening of the parcel in a series of steps for use as future evidence.

In the formative stages of Omaha's program, postal inspectors and police investigators met with prosecutors to determine a strategy for handling cases brought by the joint team. They concurred that when a package containing drugs was identified, investigators would remove most of the drugs, leaving just a small amount to be resealed in the package and delivered later. Prosecutors agreed that they could argue successfully in court that the defendant found in possession of the resealed package actually had "constructive possession" of the original amount of contraband. However, to preserve the elements of the State or Federal drugs violation, it would be best if at least some of the drugs originally seized were delivered in the package.

After removing most of the illegal substance, inspectors frequently replace it with an imitation so as not to alert suspects when they open the package. For example, a recent investigation in Omaha located a large amount of crack cocaine formed into the shape of cookies. Investigators left several of the original crack cookies in the package but substituted sugar cookies for the rest.

On a practical note, this procedure safeguards against the loss of the evidence in the unlikely event that the subject eludes police officers after the package is delivered but before the search warrant of the residence can be executed. Omaha officers quickly discovered that suspects often attempt to leave the location with the evidence immediately following the controlled delivery of the package but prior to the entry team's arrival.

Searching the Address
Once the package has been searched and resealed, the Omaha Police Narcotics Unit supervisor prepares a search warrant for the mailing address. This does not have to be a Federal warrant, but the Federal search warrant used to open the package is referenced in the warrant petition and a copy is attached.

A police investigator and the postal inspector collaborate to prepare the second search warrant. The affidavit describes exactly how the investigation began--with discovery of the suspicious package--and follows with the details of presenting the parcel to the drug dog, obtaining the Federal search warrant, opening the package, and locating the drugs. The affidavit also notes that officers removed a specific amount of the drug from the package, left a small amount, and refilled the package with an imitation substance.

This type of search warrant is anticipatory in nature. That is, the affidavit clearly must show that law enforcement officers currently possess the drugs to be seized and that they intend to serve the search warrant after the controlled delivery of the package. If probable cause exists, items such as packaging materials, scales, long distance telephone bills, money, drug records, and additional drugs should be listed on the warrant to be seized. Any historical or intelligence information about the address of the anticipated delivery or the persons known to frequent the address also should be documented in the affidavit.

Prepare for Delivery
The next step involves delivering the package to the intended address under carefully controlled conditions. The Narcotics Unit supervisor handles three aspects of this operation. The supervisor arranges the controlled delivery, establishes a secure perimeter around the address to prevent the subject from leaving with the package, and supervises the execution of the search warrant.

First, the supervisor conducts an extensive reconnaissance of the address, especially noting all possible exits. Because at least several minutes will elapse between the controlled delivery and the execution of the search warrant to allow the recipient time to open the package, all exits of the address must be placed under surveillance to prevent anyone from leaving with the package.

Second, the supervisor briefs all officers involved in executing the search warrant, dividing officers between the perimeter and entry teams. The perimeter team, which keeps all exits of the target address under surveillance, must be positioned to stop and arrest anyone who might leave with the package after it has been delivered. The entry team, which typically comprises Omaha police officers, postal inspectors, and occasionally, FBI agents, serves the warrant, makes appropriate arrests, and conducts the subsequent search of the premises.

Deliver the Package
An undercover postal inspector normally delivers the package after the perimeter team takes its position. In most situations, the Narcotics Unit supervisor then gives the recipient enough time to open the package, because an opened package undermines the commonly used defense that the suspect did not know what it contained.

In addition, experience shows that the original recipient often will turn over the parcel to a second person who arrives within minutes of the delivery. For this reason, the supervisor might choose to wait a considerable length of time before sending in the entry team.

Execute the Search Warrant
At the appropriate time, the entry team executes the search warrant for the package on the target location. During the search, officers remain alert for additional drugs, drug records, money, long distance telephone bills, scales, baggies, and other labels of packages previously mailed to the address, as listed on the warrant.

Upon completion of the search, the supervisor quickly analyzes the situation to determine whether to interrogate the person who signed for the package on the scene. If such questioning could prove fruitful, the suspect is advised of his Miranda rights. On occasion, by immediately interrogating the recipient, investigators have convinced suspects to make tape-recorded telephone contact with a second suspect who, in turn, arrived at the scene only to be arrested.

Investigators question the arrested parties thoroughly to determine their knowledge of the parcel's contents and their connections with a network of people involved in smuggling the package into the city. Many postal profiling cases in Omaha have resulted in Federal prosecution of individuals in other States, such as California, for participating in drug smuggling operations.

SUCCESSES

The success of the package profiling program in Omaha proves that law enforcement can transcend jurisdictional boundaries to combat crimes that often go undetected. Highlights of the program include two separate seizures of 3-pound quantities of crack cocaine valued at approximately $250,000 each that had been mailed to Omaha from sources in Los Angeles.

Not all seizures have run smoothly. In one case, inspectors intercepted a package containing 5 ounces (155 grams) of methamphetamine. Following standard procedure, officers removed all but 5 grams of the substance, which they sealed in a tube taped to the inside of the package. A female at the target address signed for the package during the controlled delivery, but when officers executed the search warrant, no drugs could be found. Knowing that they had delivered the methamphetamine, officers conducted an extensive and thorough search of the premises but to no avail. Finally, several hours later, the woman vomited the tube intact. She had swallowed it when she saw the law enforcement officers approach the residence.

Despite the occasional mishap, the package profiling system has produced many seizures that have netted both crack and powdered cocaine, marijuana, LSD, methamphetamine, heroin, steroids, and hallucinogenic mushrooms. Prosecutors have obtained numerous felony convictions in both Federal and State courts.

CONCLUSION

Profiling postal packages represents a challenging and exciting aspect of drug enforcement. In the future, law enforcement agencies might expand the use of this technique to detect packages transported by private carriers and parcel services.

The expertise gained by working with postal inspectors to detect controlled substances sent by mail could be applied to private carriers in an attempt to choke off other conduits for transporting controlled substances. By employing every method available, U.S. Postal Inspectors can work with local law enforcement agencies to keep the Postal Service from being an unwitting and unwilling drug courier.

RELATED ARTICLE: The Profile

Postal inspectors use these criteria to identify packages that might contain drugs.

Package Criteria
* Emits odors of marijuana or or a masking agent (e.g., coffee, perfume, fabric-softener sheets)

* Is heavily taped along seams

* Is poorly prepared for mailing

* Appears to have been re-used

* Has an uneven weight distribution

Label Criteria
* Is handwritten

* Contains misspelled names, streets, or cities

* Originates from a drug source State

* Has been sent from an individual to an individual

* Contains return address ZIP code that does not match accepting post office ZIP code

* Shows a fictitious return address

* Lists sender's and/or receiver's names of common type (e.g., John Smith) that are not connected to either address

Endnotes

(1) United States v. Hill, 701 F. Supp. 1522 (D.C.Kan. 1988). (2) The U.S. Postal Service's Administrative Support Manual (ASM), Section 274.31, disallows any mail sealed against inspection (i.e., First-Class, Express Mail) to be detained, even for a dog sniff, with very few exceptions. ASM 274.31 (a) notes that "a Postal Inspector acting diligently and without avoidable delay, upon reasonable suspicion, for a brief period of time [may detain a piece of mail] to assemble sufficient evidence to satisfy the probable-cause requirement for a search warrant, and to apply for, obtain, and execute the warrant." Therefore, reasonable suspicion must exist before the mail can be detained.

COPYRIGHT 1996 Federal Bureau of Investigation
COPYRIGHT 2004 Gale Group
Title: Re: Profiling postal package 101 straight from the feds ;)
Post by: Thunderweed on 15 April 2012, 01:29:02
great post dude, should be useful

thanks
Title: Re: Profiling postal package 101 straight from the feds ;)
Post by: daveh0we on 15 April 2012, 04:36:49
STamps will be illegal and postage will be purchased through a national ID.
Title: Re: Profiling postal package 101 straight from the feds ;)
Post by: hunter2 on 15 April 2012, 06:04:36
great post. this should help vendors our a shit ton
Title: Re: Profiling postal package 101 straight from the feds ;)
Post by: modest mouse on 15 April 2012, 11:17:13
lol, this same article has been posted at least four times previously already. nice to see it stickied finally. always good to bring the topic back up for anyone who was not aware at least, because the information can be very beneficial.

dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=10.0
dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=4028
dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=7236
dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=17812

still, people should learn to use the search function
Title: Re: Profiling postal package 101 straight from the feds ;)
Post by: modest mouse on 15 April 2012, 11:34:06
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=346.0

this is also another very helpful thread  in which a postal inspector actually answers questions about the system and provides a valuable perspective and insight into the inner working of inspections.

one interesting point made was that letters basically bypass inspection completely unless they already know to be on the lookout for said letter. this may have changed with new electronic sniffers, but still nice to know most of the scrutiny is focused elsewhere than my H notes

Title: Re: Profiling postal package 101 straight from the feds ;)
Post by: dudeguy551 on 15 April 2012, 17:37:49
The most prominent of those profiling parts are here:

DO NOT overly tape your letters. A layer or two of proper packaging tape is standard around the mailing system. Making your package into a tootsie with so much tape is very suspect. Once around the end with glue is normal, twice is normal as well since you can't really tell the difference between one or two layers of packaging tape. But you can tell the difference between 1 and 3-5 layers.

Person to person mailing is another big one. If you can order those labels from the spam mails, yakno the ones where they want to sell you 500 labels with anything on it in any crazy cool design you want. Order these with a company name on them, preferably something electronic sounding. Future Tech, Inc. They will not take the time to search the business unless the package emits an odor.

ODOR. If you can go outside, place your package in your car in the summer heat, come back and your car smells, EVEN A LITTLE, it is not packaged properly. Most postal facilities are only cooled slightly more then the outside.

EDIT:
From my experience, these are actual identifiers that postal agents use to originally determine it's contents:
* Contains misspelled *cities*

* Originates from a drug source State

* Emits odors of marijuana or or a masking agent (e.g., coffee, perfume, fabric-softener sheets)

* Is heavily taped along seams

* Has an uneven weight distribution

* Lists sender's and/or receiver's names of common type (e.g., John Smith) that are not connected to either address

And these are for arguments sake in court:

* Is poorly prepared for mailing

* Appears to have been re-used

* Is handwritten

* Contains misspelled names, streets, or cities

* Has been sent from an individual to an individual

* Shows a fictitious return address

While not always true, as having handled and knowing many people who have handled packages for years, the first few are the ones that originally raise suspicion. The others I would think are for arguments sake in court. People always send stuff to other people. Not all packages are perfect though it will help to use an official mailing box by the service to help the package blend in. I sell stuff on eBay and always reuse packaging and so do the people I buy things from. It is commonplace. So are handwritten entries but most people who buy and sell things on eBay usually buy blank labels and hand write on the labels instead, it's more professional.
Title: Re: Profiling postal package 101 straight from the feds ;)
Post by: Regicide on 20 April 2012, 07:12:01
While not always true, as having handled and knowing many people who have handled packages for years, the first few are the ones that originally raise suspicion. The others I would think are for arguments sake in court. People always send stuff to other people. Not all packages are perfect though it will help to use an official mailing box by the service to help the package blend in. I sell stuff on eBay and always reuse packaging and so do the people I buy things from. It is commonplace. So are handwritten entries but most people who buy and sell things on eBay usually buy blank labels and hand write on the labels instead, it's more professional.

You're absolutely right about the eBay and individual to individual shipping. This document was written in 1996, long before the internet boom and the days of high volume parcels that individuals sell to each other online. A lot of this information is good, but like all things, a lot can change in 16 years, and much of this information should be reconsidered based on that fact.
Title: Re: Profiling postal package 101 straight from the feds ;)
Post by: budpuck3t on 24 April 2012, 00:03:28
what are the "drug source states"? this would help vendors out a lot. im surprised no one has bothered to ask this.
Title: Re: Profiling postal package 101 straight from the feds ;)
Post by: hondacivic480 on 25 April 2012, 22:06:13
 I work for the U.S. Postal Service, in a mail sorting facility
First off at USPS they are going broke,They don't have nearly as many Postal Inspectors as one would think
I think in the state of florida they have a total of 5! for an entire state.

Also just so you know, only Postal Inspectors and U.S. Customs can open U.S. Mail  ,Regular Postal Employees, Even Managers CANNOT OPEN OR TAMPER WITH ANY MAIL OR PACKAGE DOING SO IS A FEDERAL CRIME AND YES THEY TAKE THAT SHIT VERY SERIOUSLY. A couple of years ago at my facility they caught an employee who stole a single Netflix DVD out of the mail, Yes they arrested his ass,Fired him and charged him with a Federal Offense for stealing one Netflix DVD.

Also another thing to remember the amount of mail USPS processes in just one day, Is more than UPS processes in an entire year.

I see poorly packed letters and padded envelopes all the time with pills in them. This is why good packaging is key



Title: Re: Profiling postal package 101 straight from the feds ;)
Post by: Delta11 on 26 April 2012, 09:39:40
Good stuff right here. This is why you always:

-Vac seal at least two times
-Use printed labels placed correctly! Don't just slap em on the package, put em on straight, look professional.
-Use a small business name/address.
-Put the correct weight so actually weigh out your packages, every time!
Title: Re: Profiling postal package 101 straight from the feds ;)
Post by: hondacivic480 on 26 April 2012, 10:43:36
Good stuff right here. This is why you always:

-Vac seal at least two times
-Use printed labels placed correctly! Don't just slap em on the package, put em on straight, look professional.
-Use a small business name/address.
-Put the correct weight so actually weigh out your packages, every time!

I work for the U.S Postal Service , The first 3 aren't necessary. Even we as Postal Emplyees are not allowed to open a letter,package or anything. Example this happened 2 years ago, I was sorting a tray of mail, I started smelling Weed and it was really strong, Told my supervisor , He told his Supervisor. well guess what they did?  They handed the letter with the weed in it back to me and told me to send it on its way, Now why did they do this several reasons No1 USPS is a Government run Bureaucratic organization,And as both Supervisors explained even if we did report to Postal Inspectors, This is no proof it's the recipients No2 reason there was no way they could it was the guys weed ,No3 my Bureaucratic Bosses don't want to stuck knee deep in paper over a bag of week or a envelope full pills last but not least Reason No4 At USPS it's a FEDERAL CRIME for ANY employee to open or tamper with any mail. The USPS Employees who can do this are U.S. Postal Inspectors
There only about maybe 200-300  for the entire country. As long as your not shipping pounds of weed or cocaine it's fine


-Put the correct weight so actually weigh out your packages, every time!
Title: Re: Profiling postal package 101 straight from the feds ;)
Post by: Delta11 on 26 April 2012, 11:18:42
Good stuff right here. This is why you always:

-Vac seal at least two times
-Use printed labels placed correctly! Don't just slap em on the package, put em on straight, look professional.
-Use a small business name/address.
-Put the correct weight so actually weigh out your packages, every time!

I work for the U.S Postal Service , The first 3 aren't necessary. Even we as Postal Emplyees are not allowed to open a letter,package or anything. Example this happened 2 years ago, I was sorting a tray of mail, I started smelling Weed and it was really strong, Told my supervisor , He told his Supervisor. well guess what they did?  They handed the letter with the weed in it back to me and told me to send it on its way, Now why did they do this several reasons No1 USPS is a Government run Bureaucratic organization,And as both Supervisors explained even if we did report to Postal Inspectors, This is no proof it's the recipients No2 reason there was no way they could it was the guys weed ,No3 my Bureaucratic Bosses don't want to stuck knee deep in paper over a bag of week or a envelope full pills last but not least Reason No4 At USPS it's a FEDERAL CRIME for ANY employee to open or tamper with any mail. The USPS Employees who can do this are U.S. Postal Inspectors
There only about maybe 200-300  for the entire country. As long as your not shipping pounds of weed or cocaine it's fine


-Put the correct weight so actually weigh out your packages, every time!
Thank you for that  ;) that put my paranoia at ease just a bit, but obviously it wouldn't hurt to vac seal as from my understanding they bring in the sniffer dogs at random times and you wouldn't want your product to be naked. Have you ever actually been around when the dogs come in? I'm just curious of the procedure, do the dogs just walk around the packages or do they sniff only suspicious packages?
Title: Re: Profiling postal package 101 straight from the feds ;)
Post by: hondacivic480 on 26 April 2012, 14:19:23
Never once have I seen a drug dog and I have worked in 3 very large Mail processing facilities


something to remember a lot of Postal Workers get high,drunk ,do all kinds of drug, and a lot of them do it on the Job.
you average Postal doesn't give a fuck about what in your package. We have get packages through our facility all the time that
have guns inside, Most gun dealers ship there guns through USPS, Even though It's against USPS policy to not ship Firearms. Do you think upper management gives a shit ? No there number priority is getting mail processes and out for delivery 24 hours 365 Days per year. Process facilities NEVER close on any holiday we processing mail every day of the year. What I'm trying to say here is that We got so FUCKING MAIL coming into our processing facilities all over the country, We just don't have time or resources to worry about weed or pills in the mail..

Title: Re: Profiling postal package 101 straight from the feds ;)
Post by: Delta11 on 26 April 2012, 20:03:48
Never once have I seen a drug dog and I have worked in 3 very large Mail processing facilities


something to remember a lot of Postal Workers get high,drunk ,do all kinds of drug, and a lot of them do it on the Job.
you average Postal doesn't give a fuck about what in your package. We have get packages through our facility all the time that
have guns inside, Most gun dealers ship there guns through USPS, Even though It's against USPS policy to not ship Firearms. Do you think upper management gives a shit ? No there number priority is getting mail processes and out for delivery 24 hours 365 Days per year. Process facilities NEVER close on any holiday we processing mail every day of the year. What I'm trying to say here is that We got so FUCKING MAIL coming into our processing facilities all over the country, We just don't have time or resources to worry about weed or pills in the mail..
"USPS
We just don't give a fuck"

Haha hell yeah that's awesome to hear, I remember when I first started I was slapping small flate rate stamps on medium flat rate boxes and they always went through and finally a month later I found out the price was actually double the small flat rate. Sometimes I would get so paranoid that I would imagine a usps employee in a processing center would look at my packages and see the different return addresses and notice that they look very similar but now I see you guys are just throwing the boxes and thinking of pussy  ;D.
Title: Re: Profiling postal package 101 straight from the feds ;)
Post by: th3creeper on 28 April 2012, 14:01:11
Yea sure some postal workers don't give a fuck but to paint postal workers in general with that brush is ridiculous. 
Title: Re: Profiling postal package 101 straight from the feds ;)
Post by: dkmonk on 28 April 2012, 14:16:01
I worked at a sorting facility although it wasn't USPS and I can tell you more than a majority of the people there don't care two shits about your package, and if it rips, is crushed, or broken then that is what insurance is for.

I have seen packages get totally demolished and the only thing left was the address with the scan and they scanned it and threw that in the crate.....

Everyone just wants to finish the sort ASAP.
Title: Re: Profiling postal package 101 straight from the feds ;)
Post by: Delta11 on 28 April 2012, 22:09:16
Yea sure some postal workers don't give a fuck but to paint postal workers in general with that brush is ridiculous.
Yeah but even if they did give a fuck they can't do anything, this has been established already. Only a postal inspector can do anything about a person's package and even then it's a pain to get a hold of a postal inspector, goddamn I love this country.
Title: Re: Profiling postal package 101 straight from the feds ;)
Post by: Smeegol on 01 May 2012, 08:56:03

but now I see you guys are just throwing the boxes and thinking of pussy  ;D.

bahahahaha lmao

surprised comics like this haven't popped up on /b/ at 4chan yet...

[letter]

"when i get back home..."

[package]

"i'm going to..."

[package]

"stick my dick..."

[funny smelling package]

"in her mouth...."

[package with white powder leaking]

"pussy...."

[clear ziplock bag with pistol]

"and ass..."

[rocket launcher with stamp]
Title: Re: Profiling postal package 101 straight from the feds ;)
Post by: Dominatrix on 02 May 2012, 05:49:25
Yeah this is why it's pissing me off when our 5 and 10 pack buyers are like "i so didn't receive I think USPS snagged it or lost in transit"...

It's funny how with our non SR customers we send no track, no sig, no DCN, and it makes it every time been doing it for years without any issues.  Then we come on SR and we have some people saying they're not receiving *palm to face*.  Now everyone has to pay for a DCN because of those people. 

USPS No track, no sig, no DCN = ALWAYS MAKES IT.  Even if your address is watched it will make it through every single time.  If only there were a way to make everyone understand this.  I know people who have put fully assembled guns in a flat rate with no DCN and it would make it everytime lol.
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Post by: nonnihilnitoris on 04 May 2012, 10:03:27
Excellent thread, very useful! Put me at east, at least..
Title: Re: Profiling postal package 101 straight from the feds ;)
Post by: Tittytwister on 04 May 2012, 23:14:32
Hello, here are some more news to the ones in Germany - and a couple of Schengen-applying countries nearby - who are still waiting for their (small) parcel from outside the European community. Please see the new thread here: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=21778.0
Title: Re: Profiling postal package 101 straight from the feds ;)
Post by: hondacivic480 on 06 May 2012, 17:54:31
Yea sure some postal workers don't give a fuck but to paint postal workers in general with that brush is ridiculous.
Yeah but even if they did give a fuck they can't do anything, this has been established already. Only a postal inspector can do anything about a person's package and even then it's a pain to get a hold of a postal inspector, goddamn I love this country.

This

Title: Re: Profiling postal package 101 straight from the feds ;)
Post by: Dominatrix on 07 May 2012, 03:44:27
The question is though... can/does USPS pinpoint drop box locations connected to certain packages?
Title: Re: Profiling postal package 101 straight from the feds ;)
Post by: hondacivic480 on 07 May 2012, 03:51:42
The question is though... can/does USPS pinpoint drop box locations connected to certain packages?

No, I work for USPS this doesn't happen. One thing to remember about USPS it's a U.S. Government run organization which makes it very bureaucratic. There not that organized .
Title: Re: Profiling postal package 101 straight from the feds ;)
Post by: anchientlib on 09 May 2012, 13:17:59
Hi,

So, what happens if a package gets returned to the bogus address I used and the recipient opens it and decides to call the police.  Should I be worried they are going to go back and check the time I mailed it  and search for my face dropping it off?

Libby

P.S. Anyone who may be using tampons to mail cocaine to their customers really needs to read my post  "Cocaine Found in Tampons, Police Think Its a Large Operation"

http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=22414.new#new
Title: Re: Profiling postal package 101 straight from the feds ;)
Post by: anchientlib on 11 May 2012, 22:29:17
Thank you for this post.  Everyone should be required to read it.

Libby
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Post by: ItsMonday on 13 May 2012, 01:11:07
Really good post


Good shit from the posters also. Calms my nerves a bit.  ;D
Title: Re: Profiling postal package 101 straight from the feds ;)
Post by: Dominatrix on 13 May 2012, 20:14:50
Really the best way to ship is as below.


Double Vacumme seal powder or pills (powder vacumme seal flat)
For powder you can shuv 100-200g of product in an average looking envelope KEEP IT FLAT
Wrap your vacumme sealed product in paper
Put in the most average looking envelope (if it's powder) if it's pills... Get creative.
Send with NO TRACK, NO SIG, FLAT RATE, SNAIL MAIL.  If you're in the U.S. I know packages from NL get to you in about 4-7days.

^You have to trust your customer unfortunately, although over the 5 years I've been doing this... I've never had one package siezed, or "lost in transit" when shipped this way accept for all of a sudden once I get on SR there are people saying they didn't receive... When I know they did.  Therefore, those idiots made me require DCN's for all SR members making things less safe for the both of us and making my reshippers have to walk into a fucking post office pisses me off...

Sorry, venting -_-
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Post by: hondacivic480 on 14 May 2012, 03:31:46
Really the best way to ship is as below.


Double Vacumme seal powder or pills (powder vacumme seal flat)
For powder you can shuv 100-200g of product in an average looking envelope KEEP IT FLAT
Wrap your vacumme sealed product in paper
Put in the most average looking envelope (if it's powder) if it's pills... Get creative.
Send with NO TRACK, NO SIG, FLAT RATE, SNAIL MAIL.  If you're in the U.S. I know packages from NL get to you in about 4-7days.

^You have to trust your customer unfortunately, although over the 5 years I've been doing this... I've never had one package siezed, or "lost in transit" when shipped this way accept for all of a sudden once I get on SR there are people saying they didn't receive... When I know they did.  Therefore, those idiots made me require DCN's for all SR members making things less safe for the both of us and making my reshippers have to walk into a fucking post office pisses me off...

Sorry, venting -_-

I'm a Postal Employee and I can tell you that 99.9% of postal workers don't give a fuck what's in your package or envelope. In fact even if they thought something illegal was in your package, Under Federal Law Postal workers CANNOT open or Tamper with your mail. Only a USPS Postal Inspector can do that. For Domestic shipments DCN and even Express is perfectly safe. You walk into Post Office pay cash they don't know who you are.
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Post by: the renegade on 14 May 2012, 08:39:10
Great read!! 
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Post by: Dominatrix on 14 May 2012, 19:40:04
Really the best way to ship is as below.


Double Vacumme seal powder or pills (powder vacumme seal flat)
For powder you can shuv 100-200g of product in an average looking envelope KEEP IT FLAT
Wrap your vacumme sealed product in paper
Put in the most average looking envelope (if it's powder) if it's pills... Get creative.
Send with NO TRACK, NO SIG, FLAT RATE, SNAIL MAIL.  If you're in the U.S. I know packages from NL get to you in about 4-7days.

^You have to trust your customer unfortunately, although over the 5 years I've been doing this... I've never had one package siezed, or "lost in transit" when shipped this way accept for all of a sudden once I get on SR there are people saying they didn't receive... When I know they did.  Therefore, those idiots made me require DCN's for all SR members making things less safe for the both of us and making my reshippers have to walk into a fucking post office pisses me off...

Sorry, venting -_-

I'm a Postal Employee and I can tell you that 99.9% of postal workers don't give a fuck what's in your package or envelope. In fact even if they thought something illegal was in your package, Under Federal Law Postal workers CANNOT open or Tamper with your mail. Only a USPS Postal Inspector can do that. For Domestic shipments DCN and even Express is perfectly safe. You walk into Post Office pay cash they don't know who you are.

Can they track down what drop box is used if with DCN or express? 
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Post by: thyme on 14 May 2012, 20:30:05

I'm a Postal Employee and I can tell you that 99.9% of postal workers don't give a fuck what's in your package or envelope. In fact even if they thought something illegal was in your package, Under Federal Law Postal workers CANNOT open or Tamper with your mail. Only a USPS Postal Inspector can do that. For Domestic shipments DCN and even Express is perfectly safe. You walk into Post Office pay cash they don't know who you are.
Yes, but postal workers can and do raise concerns about a package and bring that package to the attention of a postal inspector.
To say that postal workers other than inspectors can not fuck with or tamper with or open mail is misleading and somewhat disingenuous. Handlers can certainly alert postal inspectors, and they can certainly still fuck with our lives.  Postal inspectors aren't the first line of screening. Handlers are.

It seems that an Express package is at higher suspicion at baseline. Express route is cited routinely as a flag.
A home-to-home Express package is at higher suspicion.
A cash-paid Express package is at higher suspicion.
A business-to-home Express package, or home-to-business Express package, is at higher suspicion.
A return-address-not-valid/accepting-address-incongruent package is at higher suspicion.

If a vendor sent me anything by Express, I'd consider it the vendor equivalent of malpractice at this point,  unacceptable risk.

From a shipper's perspective, hypothetically:  If I "walk into Post Office pay cash," they may not know who I am, but they have my picture.

Also, I have had occasion in recent months to stand in line at the post office frequently to go pick up mail, and I watch a lot of postal customer behavior while bored. Gotta say: not a lot of cash transactions going on these days for anything there. And this is the crowd that's selected out as -not- using the kiosk, so they should be more prone to cash-use.
Depending on your demographics, it may look a bit odd that a given person is sending Express mail. People notice patterns in a job, or even just standing in a line frequently. (I would LOVE to see the data on counter-clerks' hit rates on profiling matched with inspectors' hit rates.)
Here's who sends Express mail around here: Law offices. Government offices.
And they don't go to the  post office to do it, and they don't pay cash. They use accounts. They also pick up from office, IIRC.
I see the occasional grandparent/parent, fretting, trying to get something to a stranded young 'un at college or boot camp. The clerk usually downsells them to Priority.
But - anyone else is going to be a bit of a standout, at least around here. The ebayers all use priority flatrate.

So, as far as the statement that, "Express is perfectly safe," I don't believe that is true.
In addition, I don't think anything is perfectly safe, but I also have reason, based on the above, to think that Express is a higher-risk shipping method than other methods.
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Post by: Dominatrix on 15 May 2012, 09:56:22

I'm a Postal Employee and I can tell you that 99.9% of postal workers don't give a fuck what's in your package or envelope. In fact even if they thought something illegal was in your package, Under Federal Law Postal workers CANNOT open or Tamper with your mail. Only a USPS Postal Inspector can do that. For Domestic shipments DCN and even Express is perfectly safe. You walk into Post Office pay cash they don't know who you are.
Yes, but postal workers can and do raise concerns about a package and bring that package to the attention of a postal inspector.
To say that postal workers other than inspectors can not fuck with or tamper with or open mail is misleading and somewhat disingenuous. Handlers can certainly alert postal inspectors, and they can certainly still fuck with our lives.  Postal inspectors aren't the first line of screening. Handlers are.

It seems that an Express package is at higher suspicion at baseline. Express route is cited routinely as a flag.
A home-to-home Express package is at higher suspicion.
A cash-paid Express package is at higher suspicion.
A business-to-home Express package, or home-to-business Express package, is at higher suspicion.
A return-address-not-valid/accepting-address-incongruent package is at higher suspicion.

If a vendor sent me anything by Express, I'd consider it the vendor equivalent of malpractice at this point,  unacceptable risk.

From a shipper's perspective, hypothetically:  If I "walk into Post Office pay cash," they may not know who I am, but they have my picture.

Also, I have had occasion in recent months to stand in line at the post office frequently to go pick up mail, and I watch a lot of postal customer behavior while bored. Gotta say: not a lot of cash transactions going on these days for anything there. And this is the crowd that's selected out as -not- using the kiosk, so they should be more prone to cash-use.
Depending on your demographics, it may look a bit odd that a given person is sending Express mail. People notice patterns in a job, or even just standing in a line frequently. (I would LOVE to see the data on counter-clerks' hit rates on profiling matched with inspectors' hit rates.)
Here's who sends Express mail around here: Law offices. Government offices.
And they don't go to the  post office to do it, and they don't pay cash. They use accounts. They also pick up from office, IIRC.
I see the occasional grandparent/parent, fretting, trying to get something to a stranded young 'un at college or boot camp. The clerk usually downsells them to Priority.
But - anyone else is going to be a bit of a standout, at least around here. The ebayers all use priority flatrate.

So, as far as the statement that, "Express is perfectly safe," I don't believe that is true.
In addition, I don't think anything is perfectly safe, but I also have reason, based on the above, to think that Express is a higher-risk shipping method than other methods.
This is truth, you want a job?

This is why we ask our reshippers to send flat rate no track no sig for most cases.  At most we do DCN.  Practicing this way has certainly kept us in the clear for years.

Also please note that when you guys look up packages on USPS don't use TOR, HLS has a background system that sniffs out tor users by the proxies it's configured to use.  This will red flag your packages.
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Post by: starrynight on 17 May 2012, 02:12:36
Great thread! Thank you!
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Post by: Dominatrix on 18 May 2012, 02:23:51
Great thread! Thank you!

No problem, thank you for taking the time to read it.  I hope everyone takes the time to study and re read this over and over again, the more educated we are as a "whole" means the harder it is for LE to infultrate our scene.  I've noticed many vendors/buyers on here are so wreckless with the way they operate.  If anyone needs any help on staying the safest feel free to PM me and ask or just ask here.  I'm sure me and many other experianced vendors can guide you in the right way.  I was in this scene far before SR was even thought of I've seen vendors and buyers come and go.  But I'm still here, still kickin, still chillin  8)
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Post by: pills4me on 18 May 2012, 09:08:56
Great post. Learned a lot.
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Post by: shagbardceline on 19 May 2012, 18:58:40


Fantastic discussion, I wish that some of this could be put together in an FAQ or a page in the store.
What I mean is - if there are things that most seasoned vendors and postal employees can
agree on - then can this be gathered and disseminated in the store itself?

Buyers will not learn this if it is stuck on page 3 of some random post in a forum.

Finally .... what are the "Drug Source States" ????

Do they mean like, Afghanistan. Columbia and Burma ? or State as in California ?

Obviously I don't know what state the vendor is in. But still I am curious.
Thanks for the great info,
-Shagbard


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Post by: _M4LW4R3_ on 21 May 2012, 23:35:20
STamps will be illegal and postage will be purchased through a national ID.
the day a national id is handed out is the day people take up arms
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Post by: Dominatrix on 23 May 2012, 05:00:14
STamps will be illegal and postage will be purchased through a national ID.
the day a national id is handed out is the day people take up arms
^ So will "they" unfortunately :/

It's only a matter of time before most of the world is revolting against their own goverment.  Syria is just the begining.

It would be great to have a freedom fighters forum for groupings and what not.
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Post by: hyruleantoker on 23 May 2012, 05:52:28
Great thread. All vendors should see this article.
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Post by: kio123 on 26 May 2012, 21:21:02
WOW Great informative post...thanks guys..It be nice if all scam buyers/ scam vendors would take time to read this..I was wondering why one vendor told me he ship my letter never arrived he pointed the finger at customs 10 pk to be exact but I m still receiving larger orders(20g to 50g) to the same addy..what a scammer for 70 bucks what a joke..
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Post by: dudeguy551 on 27 May 2012, 03:31:49
I feel that most of the statements here are pretty true.

USPS gives a fuck, but the workers don't. The wages are increasing at about half the rate of the price of goods so people are just wanting to zone out til they get off and go their next job or they get off work and pop some vicodin, drink a cpl beers and smoke their cigs because they'd rather spend their money on that then one box of cereal, a gallon of milk and the gas to get there.

This is true for all shipping services. UPS pays more then the average place (but also has on-site police for its worldport facility, it sorts all the USA mail from just about everywhere, but mostly air mail is sniffed out by dogs) but even so most UPS facilities work their employees to the bone. The only employees that don't are considered lazy but really, they are doing it right. The company doesn't care enough about them to hire more people to meet the demand of higher sorting speeds, refuses to pay proper maintenance costs on facilities due to rising costs and stock dividends, yet the rich keep getting richer and the poor, poorer.

USPS + Priority/First Class = Win Win.

I haven't seen a local drug dealer in months. Actually the guy I use to buy from no longer sells because I stopped buying from him. He had other customers but I was his biggest money maker apparently. He had been buying this bud from his father for next to nothing but charging as if it was shipping in from cali. I found out, went to the road and now he had to get a second job and can't smoke anymore.

That's what happens when people forget they are running a business and treat their customers like money bags. Oh he got his, I heard a few other people had slashed his tires, his apartment got robbed and he almost got stabbed. Karma I suppose. The weed was good, don't get me wrong, but he was a lil shit about it. He even sold weed to his step dad for more then he paid for it, and he said he loves his step dad and can barely stand his real dad.

Fucking local drug dealers...

Can't follow some of the simplest ten crack commandments, Don't keep your stash at your place and don't get high on your own supply because then you become a stoned/cracked/pilled out peace of shit with a TRUE addiction problem.
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Post by: pennyhatchmug on 30 May 2012, 20:15:06
My friends boss had the same problem. He owns an HVACR business and one of my friends would sell him adderall at 10 a pop, so he was paying 250 for 25 pills. He would sell those same pills to me for 3 a pop. My other friend sold weed to him at 140 a quarter, I would sell the same bud to him for 100 a quarter. I always felt bad that just because he had more money people made him pay more money for the drugs he wanted. But thats the way walmart works and a lot of other things in America. If you live in a poorer town, your groceries at walmart are more expensive, if you live in a upper middle class town your groceries are cheaper. Americas ass backwards, but you gotta love it.
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Post by: dreamrgurl1 on 06 June 2012, 04:30:02
Just a question. After reading through this thread (and others) there seems to be a joint consensus that tracking a USPS DCN# using Tor will have your package marked. If I hadn't used Tor to track until it was already on it's delivery route, what would happen? I'm new (obviously) and I purchased from a very reputable seller, so of course I look like a scam artist when the package doesn't arrive, yet it says it was delivered. On the other hand, even being a reputable dealer, I also read about ways to send something to an address in my area code, so I could be looking at a delivery to an address in my zip, when the item wasn't even delivered at all. Possibly just watching a letter being delivered somewhere  in my area code, so it looks like the seller did his job. I also see over and over again 99% of packages make it through. I'm curious as to where that data comes from, because reading through this forum, it seems it happens to a lot more than 1%..Anyway, is my delivery a lost cause because I used TOR to look up the DCN#? Should I be worried about contacting the post office? I just want the tracking to say it wasn't delivered (since it sure as hell wasn't delivered to me), so the vendor and I can work something out. Much love to everyone who makes SR run...I'd rather give a decent guy my money than add any more money into the pockets of pharmaceutical companies.
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Post by: Dominatrix on 06 June 2012, 06:23:33
Just a question. After reading through this thread (and others) there seems to be a joint consensus that tracking a USPS DCN# using Tor will have your package marked. If I hadn't used Tor to track until it was already on it's delivery route, what would happen? I'm new (obviously) and I purchased from a very reputable seller, so of course I look like a scam artist when the package doesn't arrive, yet it says it was delivered. On the other hand, even being a reputable dealer, I also read about ways to send something to an address in my area code, so I could be looking at a delivery to an address in my zip, when the item wasn't even delivered at all. Possibly just watching a letter being delivered somewhere  in my area code, so it looks like the seller did his job. I also see over and over again 99% of packages make it through. I'm curious as to where that data comes from, because reading through this forum, it seems it happens to a lot more than 1%..Anyway, is my delivery a lost cause because I used TOR to look up the DCN#? Should I be worried about contacting the post office? I just want the tracking to say it wasn't delivered (since it sure as hell wasn't delivered to me), so the vendor and I can work something out. Much love to everyone who makes SR run...I'd rather give a decent guy my money than add any more money into the pockets of pharmaceutical companies.


I remember reading somewhere that HLS has some sort of program/application/whatever the fuck on the usps site.  Considering it's HLS this may only be active only on international orders but still this is just pure speculation.  I too have used tor to look up DCN's and them make it through just fine although not anymore because of the following.

I ordered alot of product from china once (the fuckers forced tracking upon me usually anything international I never ever use track or sig) I consistantly used TOR to track it once a day everything was going fine then it got stuck in customs.

Now the next day when I went to track it using TOR something very strange happened, when I clicked the track button my whole screen glitched and started running little lines all across my screen extremely sketchy so I turned my computer off.  I figured I was just being paranoid and turned my beast back on to check a random tracking number I found that some person posted online.  I checked it nothing like the lateral happened, so I decided to give my china package another go. 

Sure enough that same glitch shit happened and completely froze my shit up I knew right away what was going on.  I called usps from a trap phone to track it via the operator... I give the woman my track *longggg pauseeee* then she says "uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh" "uhhhhhhhhh"  "uhhhhhhh" just give it another day or so what's your first and last name and address please? 

Click.  Fuck that shit.  Ditch that shit.

Sure enough HLS shows up at my receivers house everything was clean and the name was fake he denied everything and they left it alone.  What puzzles me is they didn't even attempt to do a CD or anything.

*shrugs shoulders* I lost 10k though :(
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Post by: puffmasterj on 16 June 2012, 17:14:48
Great article, looks like for the most part we're a few steps ahead of them with delivery methods. Anyone up for training an elite group of courier pigeons?
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Post by: oppyate on 19 June 2012, 04:41:36
Awsome info!
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Post by: fuckhead on 27 June 2012, 20:59:28
Yeah this is why it's pissing me off when our 5 and 10 pack buyers are like "i so didn't receive I think USPS snagged it or lost in transit"...

It's funny how with our non SR customers we send no track, no sig, no DCN, and it makes it every time been doing it for years without any issues.  Then we come on SR and we have some people saying they're not receiving *palm to face*.  Now everyone has to pay for a DCN because of those people. 

USPS No track, no sig, no DCN = ALWAYS MAKES IT.  Even if your address is watched it will make it through every single time.  If only there were a way to make everyone understand this.  I know people who have put fully assembled guns in a flat rate with no DCN and it would make it everytime lol.

I am an SR customer.  Bitching cuz you hafta put DCN on your packages.??.. How bought this for some rules to ship by:
1. Ship when you say you are going to.  By that I mean don't tell me its in transit when it will be 3 -4 days till you get it out, and try to blame slow mail service.
2. when you get paid for priority , ship priority. 
3. For god's sake ship the right product and the right amount. 

I may have paid for a pitiful 10 pills, does that mean that what I am doing is not as risky to me as anyone else.  I mean I have gotten scammed on 3 orders of fakes and shorted twice, and I have been a member for 9 months, Seriously?   Yeah with my address being the only true address exposed, to another party in this.  I want to know when It is shipped, and when to expect it.  True maybe the post office is oblivious, it doesn't lesson the stress of getting drugs in the mail, and then trying to hide them from my husband so I can have some days in my life that are painfree!!
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Post by: Joy on 29 June 2012, 19:27:15
cool info! ;)
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Post by: Arrio on 30 June 2012, 20:48:26
Anyone have a list of the "drug source states" yet?

Though from the posts I just read, it doesn't sound like USPS workers will give a shit if a package that reeks of weed or is spilling powder all over is from California or Missouri; they'll just send it on its way either way hahaha. Certainly puts me more at ease. Thanks for this thread and your responses, everyone.
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Post by: Primarch_Horus on 04 July 2012, 06:01:55
Thank you so much for this information. This is my first post, and I just want to say the information throughout this thread is highly informative and much appreciated.


Cheers, all.
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Post by: frankm on 12 July 2012, 16:30:15
Good stuff right here. This is why you always:

-Vac seal at least two times
-Use printed labels placed correctly! Don't just slap em on the package, put em on straight, look professional.
-Use a small business name/address.
-Put the correct weight so actually weigh out your packages, every time!

I work for the U.S Postal Service , The first 3 aren't necessary. Even we as Postal Emplyees are not allowed to open a letter,package or anything. Example this happened 2 years ago, I was sorting a tray of mail, I started smelling Weed and it was really strong, Told my supervisor , He told his Supervisor. well guess what they did?  They handed the letter with the weed in it back to me and told me to send it on its way, Now why did they do this several reasons No1 USPS is a Government run Bureaucratic organization,And as both Supervisors explained even if we did report to Postal Inspectors, This is no proof it's the recipients No2 reason there was no way they could it was the guys weed ,No3 my Bureaucratic Bosses don't want to stuck knee deep in paper over a bag of week or a envelope full pills last but not least Reason No4 At USPS it's a FEDERAL CRIME for ANY employee to open or tamper with any mail. The USPS Employees who can do this are U.S. Postal Inspectors
There only about maybe 200-300  for the entire country. As long as your not shipping pounds of weed or cocaine it's fine


-Put the correct weight so actually weigh out your packages, every time!


what about letters from the netherlands ? are they already flagged ?
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Post by: real pharmaceuticals on 14 July 2012, 10:42:47
Thank you for the info I am looking to start a trading on SR  very soon and want to offer inter. shipping  I have been doing some research, and find this very helpful.
Kind regards
RP
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Post by: f1k4sDfsSfkLs987881 on 20 July 2012, 15:13:02
+1 karma for domina
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Post by: Dominatrix on 21 July 2012, 02:28:36
+1 karma for domina

<3 Honestly if everyone could be honest everyone could be almost 100% bullet proof by doing no sort of tracking and no signature.  DCN's still can encounter problems if you're getting them correctly. 
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Post by: sobriquet093 on 30 July 2012, 03:24:46
Good info, thanks for sharing. Which is safest, USPS, UPS, or FedEx?
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Post by: THUMBSuP. on 30 July 2012, 07:14:59
Good info, thanks for sharing. Which is safest, USPS, UPS, or FedEx?

You NEVER use UPS or FEDeX.
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Post by: Cfanmax2000 on 21 August 2012, 23:44:09
Never once have I seen a drug dog and I have worked in 3 very large Mail processing facilities


something to remember a lot of Postal Workers get high,drunk ,do all kinds of drug, and a lot of them do it on the Job.
you average Postal doesn't give a fuck about what in your package. We have get packages through our facility all the time that
have guns inside, Most gun dealers ship there guns through USPS, Even though It's against USPS policy to not ship Firearms. Do you think upper management gives a shit ? No there number priority is getting mail processes and out for delivery 24 hours 365 Days per year. Process facilities NEVER close on any holiday we processing mail every day of the year. What I'm trying to say here is that We got so FUCKING MAIL coming into our processing facilities all over the country, We just don't have time or resources to worry about weed or pills in the mail..
"USPS
We just don't give a fuck"

Haha hell yeah that's awesome to hear, I remember when I first started I was slapping small flate rate stamps on medium flat rate boxes and they always went through and finally a month later I found out the price was actually double the small flat rate. Sometimes I would get so paranoid that I would imagine a usps employee in a processing center would look at my packages and see the different return addresses and notice that they look very similar but now I see you guys are just throwing the boxes and thinking of pussy  ;D.

Small metro, and small town postal facilities will be your downfall if you are not careful, and professional in your vendor operations.
(word from experience)...DON'T EVER TAKE SHORT CUTS.
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Post by: razorback420 on 24 August 2012, 20:51:00
Can you drop a bubble mailer (1st class mail w/ DCN) into one of the blue USPS boxes or do you have to drop it off inside the post office? If you drop a priority mail package into one of the blue USPS boxes will it be shipped priority or will it be delayed?
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Post by: Grex on 09 September 2012, 23:26:50
So what do we do about return addresses?  Should you use a real address?  This could be interesting if mail got returned to them.  If i use "High Tech Inc" with a real return address but a fake suite number (if they end at 205 i put 206) is that legit?  That way the city/state/zip and address all are real but the suite is not.
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Post by: voluntaryfirst on 15 September 2012, 19:13:06
Long time lurker, new poster

There is no reason to have return address's on the package, except that without it people will look twice. Have been shipping pills for over a decade, the best approach is using the best packaging you an get, and drop returns. Legitimate, home address's are always less liable to receive extra attention versus apartments. Even better is high volume tech type companies, using drop shippers in areas where large amounts of traffic is assumed, and mylar/ antimagnetic/xray resistant etc., packaging.
This of course means you will need a bit more business then the normal "tailgate" special dealer. Regardless, stay smart, think ahead and remember, there is always a way to intelligently avoid the sharks regardless which ocean they swim in.
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Post by: dooberman on 02 October 2012, 20:53:43
I am a new shipper and I am trying to send 2 ounces across the US was looking for some ideas on what might be the best provider to use, what to ship it in, what to do for the return address, etc.
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Post by: cultmadeline on 08 October 2012, 01:09:58
Well, From what I understand, the BOX gets opened several times a day of which the schedule is displayed on the box.   My following question is, what is the best shipping practice for sending 50 packages a day anonymously?

I'd love to print the postage and tape that right onto the box, but getting an anonymous postage account is somewhat a debacle seeing how you need a credit card within the same shipping zone so as to not raise a red flag.

Can someone share their shipping practices if they are using printable postage labels?
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Post by: mimififi on 17 October 2012, 18:09:34
Long time lurker, new poster

There is no reason to have return address's on the package, except that without it people will look twice. Have been shipping pills for over a decade, the best approach is using the best packaging you an get, and drop returns. Legitimate, home address's are always less liable to receive extra attention versus apartments. Even better is high volume tech type companies, using drop shippers in areas where large amounts of traffic is assumed, and mylar/ antimagnetic/xray resistant etc., packaging.
This of course means you will need a bit more business then the normal "tailgate" special dealer. Regardless, stay smart, think ahead and remember, there is always a way to intelligently avoid the sharks regardless which ocean they swim in.

the dyshield antimagnetic ("grey" bags) are X-ray resistant? which material can I use to apply X-ray resistance?

>sorry, bad english here  :o
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Post by: Toulouse on 26 October 2012, 02:51:41

Lead is the only thing that will block x-ray's completely.

Great thread!
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Post by: cjjujitsu9 on 07 November 2012, 15:24:10
Very insightful :) a great read, lots of points here, glad i read it.
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Post by: BadGuy on 10 November 2012, 07:00:55
Thanks everyone, great thread !!!
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Post by: Naughty Dog on 12 November 2012, 14:49:10
good information
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Post by: Lightner7 on 13 November 2012, 15:34:11
thanks a lot !
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Post by: MRKILROY on 14 November 2012, 02:12:02
so im thinking about starting to sell some "baked" goods on sr and for packaging i figured i would put the goods in a small box if its a single order and put that box in a zip lock or vacuum seal it then put it into a bigger USPS box and put crumpled up paper around the smaller box to provide cushion and to keep the package from having uneven weight distribution then put a layer of hot glue on the inside of the flaps and tape it up with 2 layers of tape and get printed labels.

would this work good i just want to be careful and i live in a small town in the Midwest and i don't even know if we have any package drop offs for USPS ik we have ups but from what i heard im sticking to USPS i think you have to take it to the counter should i just get a bunch of orders ready and take them to a larger city (about a half an hr away) and drop them off like every Monday or something?

and also i was wondering about the names and addresses to you think it would be smart for example to put (KILROYS-Ebay) as the senders name or something like that to look less suspicious. also should i put random address for return or should i put the same address all the time like an abandoned farm house ik about.

i think that's all for now and if you have any other advice it would be greatly appreciated.
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Post by: Dicko456 on 14 November 2012, 02:57:34
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Post by: Naughty Dog on 14 November 2012, 04:18:26
Subscribing to thread

a good choice. safety first.
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Post by: napkins on 19 November 2012, 00:59:28
awesome thanks
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Post by: soundbite on 21 November 2012, 00:49:36
So what do we do about return addresses?  Should you use a real address?  This could be interesting if mail got returned to them.  If i use "High Tech Inc" with a real return address but a fake suite number (if they end at 205 i put 206) is that legit?  That way the city/state/zip and address all are real but the suite is not.

That's my question, as a newb buyer. People talk about LE compromising or faking vendors as being the big fear, but if a vendor uses the same return address every time, doesn't LE just have to make single purchases from a bunch of vendors and then flag everything outgoing from those addresses from that point on? Not incidentally catching a ton of buyers.

Excellent info. Hoping the rise of ebay will have made door-to-door packages less of a thing.
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Post by: MarsProtege on 21 November 2012, 05:33:30
Most vendors use valid address's that are not there personal address. Just random but real address so that shouldn't be a problem.

Very informative thread great read.
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Post by: p3nd8s on 26 November 2012, 00:34:36
There's a show called "To Catch a Smuggler" produced by the National Geographic Channel, I've watched it on YouTube, and on one of the episodes, they were filming how they find drug packages at JFK airport. They found a package of heroin, and they realised that the person used a real name as that name was already flagged from another address/drug shipment and they setup a controlled delivery (CD). The officers were in disbelief that the receiver was STUPID enough to use their real name and had a good laugh.

If you haven't watched the show, do yourself a favor and watch it, there's a lot to learn straight from the source.
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Post by: mimififi on 04 December 2012, 03:38:55
There's a show called "To Catch a Smuggler" produced by the National Geographic Channel, I've watched it on YouTube, and on one of the episodes, they were filming how they find drug packages at JFK airport. They found a package of heroin, and they realised that the person used a real name as that name was already flagged from another address/drug shipment and they setup a controlled delivery (CD). The officers were in disbelief that the receiver was STUPID enough to use their real name and had a good laugh.

If you haven't watched the show, do yourself a favor and watch it, there's a lot to learn straight from the source.

I'll watch the show, thanks bro
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Post by: santbarna on 13 December 2012, 06:53:44
google USPS authorities intercept Tinley-bound pot package

there are loads of stories like this on the internet, this one is nice in the fact that it describes why the package was flagged (numerous reasons), how they contacted the person, and the outcome. seems like the vacuum seal didn't work so well...
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Post by: Stonedstupor on 14 December 2012, 07:45:27
I had a buddy about 2 years ago going through the mail not using SR and he said his guess was the delivery guy picked up to what was getting delivered to his house. Apparently the postman waited until the heaviest package he's seen to the address, 5 lbs, was sent, and went to deliver the package, flashed an ID of some sort, my buddy denied the package, and the postman went on with his day, were guessing taking the kb for himself. No legal action was taken what-so-ever. Anyone heard of anything of the sort?
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Post by: Donkeydong on 29 December 2012, 11:42:50
If you are going to have product in the vehicle place it in a priority mail package with stamps/address on it. Wouldn't they need a search warrant to open it if stopped/searched? You might still have a dog problem but at least you up the odds.

Thoughts?
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Post by: kandiflip1034 on 30 December 2012, 13:30:11
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Post by: xblackbladex on 02 January 2013, 23:57:43
The only thing that stumps me about this controlled delivery thing is that I thought legally, once law enforcement officers of any kind have obtained an illegal drug, they are not aloud to hand it back to the public. Like for example, I've heard that say an undercover narc is hanging out with people smoking weed, if the narc is handed the joint "legally" he cannot hand it back to anybody?
Maybe this is just a myth? Idk, just putting that out there.
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Post by: kandiflip1034 on 03 January 2013, 08:14:41
If you are going to have product in the vehicle place it in a priority mail package with stamps/address on it. Wouldn't they need a search warrant to open it if stopped/searched? You might still have a dog problem but at least you up the odds.

Thoughts?

Even if you had a dog problem or not the question now becomes "if they need a warrant, do they  now need a federal warrant as opposed to a state warrant since mail is under federal jurisdiction in USA?
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Post by: Stonedstupor on 04 January 2013, 06:30:27
The only thing that stumps me about this controlled delivery thing is that I thought legally, once law enforcement officers of any kind have obtained an illegal drug, they are not aloud to hand it back to the public. Like for example, I've heard that say an undercover narc is hanging out with people smoking weed, if the narc is handed the joint "legally" he cannot hand it back to anybody?
Maybe this is just a myth? Idk, just putting that out there.

Pretty sure thats a myth. I know for sure informants can use drugs for months at a time if he's involved in an ongoing investigation to get as much info as they need before they pounce.
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Post by: calamityjane99 on 04 January 2013, 19:39:42
The only thing that stumps me about this controlled delivery thing is that I thought legally, once law enforcement officers of any kind have obtained an illegal drug, they are not aloud to hand it back to the public. Like for example, I've heard that say an undercover narc is hanging out with people smoking weed, if the narc is handed the joint "legally" he cannot hand it back to anybody?
Maybe this is just a myth? Idk, just putting that out there.

Don't be fooled.....Most informants AREN'T LEO - most informants are "friends" who've been busted - and in an attempt to avoid jail - agree to provide LE with the info they need to bust you. An informant will get high with you and pass the drugs to anybody. It's really rare that an actual LEO 'infiltrates' a drug ring......that's movie shit........every drug dealer should live by 3 basic rules:

1)Every stranger is the police (i.e. don't sell to who you don't know)
2)Every phone is tapped (i.e. don't talk about illegal stuff on the phone)
3)Never keep your product & money & weapons in the same spot. (i.e. spread that shit out)

all other rules to the drug trade can be added accordingly - but these 3 basic things will keep you out of jail longer than the average dummy.  :) :)
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Post by: Crazy Eights on 05 January 2013, 02:50:27
Side note to all this info - when I joined SR as a buyer a year ago I had a seller just sticking DCN#'s on shipments and they clearly were not scanned at the post office (seller provided them when you ordered) no info was ever available. The seller delivered two orders in 2 months to me and - POW - they never listed or came out of stealth mode again

That's rolling the dice with the buyers, to me it is way uncool, doing a stamped up and phony DCN#  using a  blue box drop - and employing the run & gun shipment method... cripes

I bet that assclown's next stop was BMR

ce
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Post by: loscoy321 on 20 January 2013, 09:24:04
Good thread. Thank You!
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Post by: iAmMe on 17 February 2013, 19:55:29
Another good sticky! Thank you OP and Mods!
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Post by: ghettohmbrglr on 24 March 2013, 13:53:41
usps held one of my letters a few weeks back. i live in a small town and heard through the grape vine how my mailman smelled it out and they decided to hold the letter. luckily it was only half a gram of marijuana so the only thing that came of it was me being told not to do it again. i have since had several successful shipments i am not really worried as long as the vendors are using proper stealth techniques.
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Post by: kandiflip1034 on 26 March 2013, 10:11:19
usps held one of my letters a few weeks back. i live in a small town and heard through the grape vine how my mailman smelled it out and they decided to hold the letter. luckily it was only half a gram of marijuana so the only thing that came of it was me being told not to do it again. i have since had several successful shipments i am not really worried as long as the vendors are using proper stealth techniques.

Just as a precaution i would let the address cool down for a bit and try using a different address for shipments.  Better to be safe then sorry.  It is posible that they could monitor some of your shipments but wait a while before actually making something of it. this could be to colect info to see if you are just a user getting personal stuff or are a bigger player and worth their time.
Title: Fake businesses as return address
Post by: seatturtle on 01 May 2013, 01:23:54
If any vendors read this, please make up a fake business that you are sending from, and never handwrite your addresses!! stickers with the return addy of a professional looking business are the most legit. and dont just send the drugs!! put papers, and maybe even something else. for instance, if you are posing as a tech company, maybe wrap up some old junk chips or circuit boards for larger amounts. I think these steps would drastically improve safety..

I am very skilled at creating very believable corporate looking logos and business names on Adobe Illustrator and Photoshop and will create one for you to use for a tiny fee of BTC or samples of your wares, if any vendors are interested. I can send you a template with the design and you can just print them on stickers so you can ship quickly :) PM me if interested
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Post by: dabdiego on 06 May 2013, 07:51:45
Thanks much for the interesting read. Fascinating and seemingly very helpful information. Don't leave home without it! Subscribing.
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Post by: MedicineWoman on 09 June 2013, 01:22:36
For anyone who missed it, a USPS postal worker left a thoughtful read on the newbie forum, earning him +18 karma on his first post. A must read:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=165838.0
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Post by: CheapestCocaine on 15 July 2013, 10:48:54
FUCK i fit all of the labeling criteria.. :-[
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Post by: Stonedstupor on 16 July 2013, 06:05:33
FUCK i fit all of the labeling criteria.. :-[

Then you shouldn't be a vendor
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Post by: Intraterrestrial on 16 July 2013, 16:37:55
FUCK i fit all of the labeling criteria.. :-[

In all truth fella, after having read your posts and also considering your product/price, you should seriously consider shutting down shop for a bit and do some serious research into the business you are entering into  ;)
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Post by: anchientlib on 17 July 2013, 07:51:21
Hey,

I recently sent out a package and after it was very late I looked up the tracking number and noticed that it hadn't gone anywhere since I mailed it.  It says its still at the p.o. sorting.  Any idea what could be going on?
I dont know what to think about that except that maybe it got stuck in the machine or something and so they put it aside or lost it.  Its either that or they are watching me specifically right?
Libby

p.s.
I dont go into p.o. i drop them off in the box there.  They actually can give you tracking numbers for us to stick on there ourselves now that they are free. (flat rate priority)
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Post by: anchientlib on 17 July 2013, 08:04:17
Well, From what I understand, the BOX gets opened several times a day of which the schedule is displayed on the box.   My following question is, what is the best shipping practice for sending 50 packages a day anonymously?

I'd love to print the postage and tape that right onto the box, but getting an anonymous postage account is somewhat a debacle seeing how you need a credit card within the same shipping zone so as to not raise a red flag.

Can someone share their shipping practices if they are using printable postage labels?

You dont need to open an account with post office (actually recommend NOT do this) but you can print your own labels from your printer and then drop ship with pre-paid postage.
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Post by: anchientlib on 17 July 2013, 08:14:57
Just a question. After reading through this thread (and others) there seems to be a joint consensus that tracking a USPS DCN# using Tor will have your package marked. If I hadn't used Tor to track until it was already on it's delivery route, what would happen? I'm new (obviously) and I purchased from a very reputable seller, so of course I look like a scam artist when the package doesn't arrive, yet it says it was delivered. On the other hand, even being a reputable dealer, I also read about ways to send something to an address in my area code, so I could be looking at a delivery to an address in my zip, when the item wasn't even delivered at all. Possibly just watching a letter being delivered somewhere  in my area code, so it looks like the seller did his job. I also see over and over again 99% of packages make it through. I'm curious as to where that data comes from, because reading through this forum, it seems it happens to a lot more than 1%..Anyway, is my delivery a lost cause because I used TOR to look up the DCN#? Should I be worried about contacting the post office? I just want the tracking to say it wasn't delivered (since it sure as hell wasn't delivered to me), so the vendor and I can work something out. Much love to everyone who makes SR run...I'd rather give a decent guy my money than add any more money into the pockets of pharmaceutical companies.


I remember reading somewhere that HLS has some sort of program/application/whatever the fuck on the usps site.  Considering it's HLS this may only be active only on international orders but still this is just pure speculation.  I too have used tor to look up DCN's and them make it through just fine although not anymore because of the following.

I ordered alot of product from china once (the fuckers forced tracking upon me usually anything international I never ever use track or sig) I consistantly used TOR to track it once a day everything was going fine then it got stuck in customs.

Now the next day when I went to track it using TOR something very strange happened, when I clicked the track button my whole screen glitched and started running little lines all across my screen extremely sketchy so I turned my computer off.  I figured I was just being paranoid and turned my beast back on to check a random tracking number I found that some person posted online.  I checked it nothing like the lateral happened, so I decided to give my china package another go. 

Sure enough that same glitch shit happened and completely froze my shit up I knew right away what was going on.  I called usps from a trap phone to track it via the operator... I give the woman my track *longggg pauseeee* then she says "uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh" "uhhhhhhhhh"  "uhhhhhhh" just give it another day or so what's your first and last name and address please? 

Click.  Fuck that shit.  Ditch that shit.

Sure enough HLS shows up at my receivers house everything was clean and the name was fake he denied everything and they left it alone.  What puzzles me is they didn't even attempt to do a CD or anything.

*shrugs shoulders* I lost 10k though :(

DO NOT USE TOR TO LOOK UP TRACKING NUMBERS!  BIG NO NO!
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Post by: trellis017 on 18 July 2013, 23:38:51
Inside, officers apprehended a hard core gang member who had relocated from southern California and established gun- and drug-running operations in the city.

Moral: Don't be from SoCal or a hard core gang member.
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Post by: trellis017 on 18 July 2013, 23:43:13
FUCK i fit all of the labeling criteria.. :-[

In all truth fella, after having read your posts and also considering your product/price, you should seriously consider shutting down shop for a bit and do some serious research into the business you are entering into  ;)

LOL
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Post by: anchientlib on 20 July 2013, 23:35:50
Hey,

I recently sent out a package and after it was very late I looked up the tracking number and noticed that it hadn't gone anywhere since I mailed it.  It says its still at the p.o. sorting.  Any idea what could be going on?
I dont know what to think about that except that maybe it got stuck in the machine or something and so they put it aside or lost it.  Its either that or they are watching me specifically right?
Libby

p.s.
I dont go into p.o. i drop them off in the box there.  They actually can give you tracking numbers for us to stick on there ourselves now that they are free. (flat rate priority)

nevermind. it finally arrived today YEAH!
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Post by: Daily Deals on 02 September 2013, 12:30:00
Great post thanks!