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Discussion => Drug safety => Topic started by: PintoX on January 15, 2013, 10:53 pm
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I know coke for many years, been using quite a lot when i was teen- than stopped completely, very rarely for the last few 7 years (maybe once in 2 years)
Than i found SR - which is all about quality and availability, and the rest is clear :)
Anyway, i really don't use much in quantities terms - but as you know once you start a session its very hard to stop until you are really wasted or run out of coke - i usually get the first option and than tired on morning and all this shit (i own a business and have a family and cant be too wasted... my wife gets angry at me :-\)
Are you guys/gals able to stop? like saying i will do only 2 lines and actually do that?
any psychological methods to help with that from your experience?
* i have no intention of taking any other chemical for that...
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LOL guess not, was hoping for some advice i could use in the current session - too late now, already broke the promises i made to myself before the session :)
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I have redose issues to energy drink coca-cola and cannabis... but oddly enough never to stimulant drugs like coke speed or meth haha
but anyway.. it is tempting to continue but you just have to rtemeber that after the first hour any more coke is just gpoing to be wasted as the euphoria is gone.
i just set out with the intention that im going to do my first line.. wait another 45 minutes and do another line and then put it away.
i also try to think of it as a "short experience" as in - "coke is a wonderful drug and i love its qualities of euphoria but it is a short experience and any more re-dosing is a waste that could be used for another day.. therefore i am going to commit to my use of this drug as a short term high and save the rest for another day. i will not re-dose anymore than 1 time in the first hour and after that hour the coke will be put away for another day. i will make the most of the experience in the short time it gives me. I understand my post-usage cravings and acknowledge that it may make me feel lousy. i will be pre[pared for that, and i know it will pass and i will thank myself next time".
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I want to start by saying you are not alone by any means. The only thing I found that brings you down smoothly is an opiate, so if you aren't interested in another chemical, you may be screwed. Psychology will lose to physiology in almost all cases. Physiological responses ALWAYS precede psychological ones. I don't care how much cognitive behavioral therapy you try to apply, you loaded your brain with dopamine and serotonin and every cell in your body felt great. Your brain cells are physiologically in pain after stopping. I'm not saying it can't be done, but it's hell, and it's not just "in your head" so to speak. Alcohol only helps, as you said, by making you pass out. In this scenario, the physiological, as well as psychological, intensity of the opiate high is pretty much null, and the risk of becoming dependent is actually quite minimal if that is what you are scared of. The opiate will simply change how your neurons respond to this pain, and therefore kill the "craving". Seriously, just take a couple Vicoprofens with your drinks after and see how much easier it is ( stay away from anything with acetaminophen, especially with heavy drinking).
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Thanks!
But what you say makes me feel even worse - cause i do the same but still continue :)
Im usualy a very strong person, but since i started coke with SR, i feel like a little kid again who cant control himself (not in general- but at the times i do a session, also the amounts are fairly small)
A great advice i can take from what you said is - " to remember i will thank myself next time".
This is also something i had in mind in the past, i probably need to bring all my old techniques back after they have lost in the years i did not use almost any drug....
I like your direction cause thats exacly what i was looking for - tostart building my psychological set of mind again to have full control at my sessions .
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I want to start by saying you are not alone by any means. The only thing I found that brings you down smoothly is an opiate, so if you aren't interested in another chemical, you may be screwed. Psychology will lose to physiology in almost all cases. Physiological responses ALWAYS precede psychological ones. I don't care how much cognitive behavioral therapy you try to apply, you loaded your brain with dopamine and serotonin and every cell in your body felt great. Your brain cells are physiologically in pain after stopping. I'm not saying it can't be done, but it's hell, and it's not just "in your head" so to speak. Alcohol only helps, as you said, by making you pass out. In this scenario, the physiological, as well as psychological, intensity of the opiate high is pretty much null, and the risk of becoming dependent is actually quite minimal if that is what you are scared of. The opiate will simply change how your neurons respond to this pain, and therefore kill the "craving". Seriously, just take a couple Vicoprofens with your drinks after and see how much easier it is ( stay away from anything with acetaminophen, especially with heavy drinking).
I used to take ketamine even last week to give me a better comedown - which it did. But i felt even shittier the next day..
Im not sure i completley agree that the mind cannot control your physical state - i know as fact he can. Even with the dophamine blast, you can understand that, and react. Just need some practice which i dont have anymore, i know people kicking opiate addiction in a second cause of a strong mind :)
Anyway - the alcohol advice might be ok but from my experiece i do not sleep when taking both (mean, the coke effect is more dominant)
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The right mindset is the key, if you're in the right environment you'll be able to control your mindset, if you have high grade coke you won't need a lot to reach your destination (always remember that!). Saline spray, a heavy indica, a strong dose of melatonin (such as swanson's triple dose), and green tea, are all good choices from experience :)
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The right mindset is the key, if you're in the right environment you'll be able to control your mindset, if you have high grade coke you won't need a lot to reach your destination (always remember that!). Saline spray, a heavy indica, a strong dose of melatonin (such as swanson's triple dose), and green tea, are all good choices from experience :)
the saline spray and melatonin are a must! saline spray is always essential, they should give them to kids at raves. poor dribbly nosed kids
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he he! such a moorish drug .... wow it may not be 'physically' addictive, but the psychological aspects are phenomenal
After a binge for about a year or so, after I had stopped, I had the craziest dreams about using coke, i.e. I'd have just mixed up a great shot...and ny grandma would show up :o
The saying I once heard which still rings true about 'good' coke is ...
"The first snort/shot of coke makes you feel like a new man, and the first thing the new man wants, is another one!"
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The right mindset is the key, if you're in the right environment you'll be able to control your mindset, if you have high grade coke you won't need a lot to reach your destination (always remember that!). Saline spray, a heavy indica, a strong dose of melatonin (such as swanson's triple dose), and green tea, are all good choices from experience :)
Thanks! And yeah, its the mindset - and more than that, strenght of the mind which i have lost during my sober years,
Saline spray - i use regulary, and of course during a coke session.
This thread acctually made me feel great - even that im in the comedown, lying in bed with laptop, not fighting and trying to sleep when i know it will not work and not doing anymore lines even that i have left a good amount of great coke, well i will probably be tired as shit tommorow and i did spent two hours of session more than i have planned -
But my best gain is the fact i realised i should be bringin back the right state of mind for occasional timulant use in a more healthy way cause i will do it again so it least it should be done right - and next time i hope i will do it right.
Btw , love this community - SR is a life changer if treated with respect and right planning.
and its not the coke talking since i stopped an over an hour ago!
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he he! such a moorish drug .... wow it may not be 'physically' addictive, but the psychological aspects are phenomenal
After a binge for about a year or so, after I had stopped, I had the craziest dreams about using coke, i.e. I'd have just mixed up a great shot...and ny grandma would show up :o
The saying I once heard which still rings true about 'good' coke is ...
"The first snort/shot of coke makes you feel like a new man, and the first thing the new man wants, is another one!"
Lol! So true. Its kinda like the cigarrets addiction (a habit i kicked 7 years ago in one day) only it makes you feel much better so the situation triggering the "i want some" are stronger
With coke even after years of not using i was exited like hell and was my first SR order the minute i could :)
And i agree and also think that if i will find a person who can do only one fat line and nothing more until the next time - i will consider him the perfect person to use cocaine :)
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Ketamine is whole different beast.
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So not sure if your wife is cool with this but you seem to imply that she knows you occasionally get wasted so...
Have you tried pulling out a party dose and then just handing her your stash?
If she's like my girl it would be easier to get her to take it in the backdoor without lube after a fight where I told her how her sister was even prettier than her during a sci-fi movie I refused to turn off even though it was date night than it would be to get my stash back.
If she's not cool maybe a trusted friend that lives an inconvenient distance away?
Last but not least, for about $120 you can order a safe online that will only open X number of hours after you lock it. Can set it for minutes, days, weeks. Since me and my girlfriend tend to fiend together on stuff I actually think I'm going to have to pick that up. I remember spending about an hour and a half completely incapable of speech essentially both of us having a shared overdose and when we finally came to I looked over to my lovely girl who managed a smile and one tiny word:
"Bump?"
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Last but not least, for about $120 you can order a safe online that will only open X number of hours after you lock it. Can set it for minutes, days, weeks
really ??? how coool is that? Although back in the days I was feinding, It would have had to be a tough mother! I'm sure I would've tried to crack it..literally :P
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Yeah I was looking up time lock safes as a joke, found this and realized... man it would really help:
(clearnet: http://captureddiscipline.com/CapturedDiscipline_OrderPage.html)
Their website sucks and their may be a more mainstream commercialized version out there, I just didn't see it in my quick web search on the topic.
Not the toughest thing in the world I suspect but if you lockup your power tools and put the key in their with your drugs it might stand a little abuse.
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yeah it would be a pretty handy thing :P
but there's tall buldings and gravity not far away... ::)
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Ketamine is whole different beast.
Yes it is, but is seems to ease the comedown to some extent at least... :)
So not sure if your wife is cool with this but you seem to imply that she knows you occasionally get wasted so...
Have you tried pulling out a party dose and then just handing her your stash?
If she's like my girl it would be easier to get her to take it in the backdoor without lube after a fight where I told her how her sister was even prettier than her during a sci-fi movie I refused to turn off even though it was date night than it would be to get my stash back.
If she's not cool maybe a trusted friend that lives an inconvenient distance away?
Last but not least, for about $120 you can order a safe online that will only open X number of hours after you lock it. Can set it for minutes, days, weeks. Since me and my girlfriend tend to fiend together on stuff I actually think I'm going to have to pick that up. I remember spending about an hour and a half completely incapable of speech essentially both of us having a shared overdose and when we finally came to I looked over to my lovely girl who managed a smile and one tiny word:
"Bump?"
Thank! regarding my wife, well shes not against and also not completely cool with it... so its not much of an option,
regarding the rest - its very practical but i feel that if i had the need to get a safe to hold the coke for me than i should not be doing drugs at all :) ....
At the end yesterday night was much more hard than i expected due to my own stupidity mixing the great stuff i had from SR with local coke that was pretty much 99% amphetamine that kept me awake til 10 in the morning. Yuk.
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xanax always knocks me right out and eases coke/mdma/other stimulant comedowns
edit: just saw your first post saying you didn't want to use other chemicals, I agree w/ everyone who mentioned a time lock safe sounds like a logical option...
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Glad I lived long enough to see such a thread... I knew it was a good idea.
Anyone interested? Shall I call the factory and place an order for 10?
I have a vendor account specifically for this too, maybe it's time to try again?
he he that's a classic!
That's a pretty "inspired" idea...although 1k is quite pricey...why was it so expensive? Did you get the time delay lock separately? How big is it?
I know there are people who sell small cach/valuables safes with time delay locks for a couple of hundred bucks, that also have 'chutes' to put stuff in them while they are still locked...
captcha # 7! shit! does anyone else keep getting told the captcha they enter is wrong 7+ times before it loads?
at least they seem to have worked against those bots 8)
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I used to smoke the product, and had lots of problems because of that,
but since I quit smoking (and believe me I'll NEVER do that again!) I don't seem to have any problem with it anymore...
I could even say more: after a number of lines I get bored with it and just lay it aside until another time...
I can let it aside for weeks (of course I think about it now and a while - but no craving).
But I learned to be cautious with this product (and others) and always avoid having a reserve at home (or wherever I am) - better to avoid the temptation (even when you think you can handle it) than having the temptation and not being able to handle it.
Nasal water is a must!
With K (and other products) I have the same: after a number of lines I get bored of it and just let it be.
But it was a long and painful way before I reached this "stage" and I had numerous addictions in the past...
now they've all been dealt with (even cigarette).
Having an active life (outside), healthy habits (food and sleep) and many interests that are ...difficult... to combine with "products" probably help me also...
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"cocaine is a hell of a drug!!"
it's definitely got me by the balls!!
how to stop a session?? easy, don't buy so much!! ;)
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I used to smoke the product, and had lots of problems because of that,
but since I quit smoking (and believe me I'll NEVER do that again!) I don't seem to have any problem with it anymore...
I could even say more: after a number of lines I get bored with it and just lay it aside until another time...
I can let it aside for weeks (of course I think about it now and a while - but no craving).
But I learned to be cautious with this product (and others) and always avoid having a reserve at home (or wherever I am) - better to avoid the temptation (even when you think you can handle it) than having the temptation and not being able to handle it.
Nasal water is a must!
With K (and other products) I have the same: after a number of lines I get bored of it and just let it be.
But it was a long and painful way before I reached this "stage" and I had numerous addictions in the past...
now they've all been dealt with (even cigarette).
Having an active life (outside), healthy habits (food and sleep) and many interests that are ...difficult... to combine with "products" probably help me also...
Now thats exactly where im aiming at - the ability to get bored durin a session, i actually have that alot as well but i want to be in position where it will always happen so there will be no need to re-dose which is completely pointless as you can easily understand while sober :)
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This is a GREAT thread! I'm gonna have to look into a time lock safe.
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one of the most thoughtful, helpful, and mature threads I've read on SR. Here's an odd question, if I snort coke it fucks my nose bad, for like a week or two. Five years ago I had some real good fishscale that did not do this. fast forward a year ago and I've been flirting with this bitch meth, didn't snort it for the first 6 months figuring it would wreck my nose. It doesn't, maybe a week of use will cause slight stuffiness with a little blood, which clears up in a day or so. Is there a common coke cut that fucks your sinuses? I'm talking full congestion/inflammation, sneezing runny nose, sudafed barely touches it.
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one of the most thoughtful, helpful, and mature threads I've read on SR. Here's an odd question, if I snort coke it fucks my nose bad, for like a week or two. Five years ago I had some real good fishscale that did not do this. fast forward a year ago and I've been flirting with this bitch meth, didn't snort it for the first 6 months figuring it would wreck my nose. It doesn't, maybe a week of use will cause slight stuffiness with a little blood, which clears up in a day or so. Is there a common coke cut that fucks your sinuses? I'm talking full congestion/inflammation, sneezing runny nose, sudafed barely touches it.
Mmmm. I think that this depands on the quality of the charlie you are sniffing. Good quality C should just snort straight up with no burn and should not clog you nose up.
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I know coke for many years, been using quite a lot when i was teen- than stopped completely, very rarely for the last few 7 years (maybe once in 2 years)
Than i found SR - which is all about quality and availability, and the rest is clear :)
Anyway, i really don't use much in quantities terms - but as you know once you start a session its very hard to stop until you are really wasted or run out of coke - i usually get the first option and than tired on morning and all this shit (i own a business and have a family and cant be too wasted... my wife gets angry at me :-\)
Are you guys/gals able to stop? like saying i will do only 2 lines and actually do that?
any psychological methods to help with that from your experience?
* i have no intention of taking any other chemical for that...
Ha ha ha. This sounds really familiar to me. I used to love to binge out on Charlie (I met my boyfriend on a coke binge at a friends house). We too both own our own businesses and I came across SR about 6 months ago. I started ordering, and I think that the quality is so good, you just keep going back for more. Dont get me wrong, we are not massive coke heads, but we go for it on a weekend with friends, and when its gone, its gone.
The problem is that everyday street coke has been passed from dealer to dealer and is cut with all sorts of stuff. As soon as you get good quality C you seem to want more and more. Once we open the packet, it stays open until its gone, we do not "save it".
I think that the issue has to be, decide when you are going to do it and stick with that. Also dont get coked up alone as there is no one to stop you from doing it then lol.
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one of the most thoughtful, helpful, and mature threads I've read on SR. Here's an odd question, if I snort coke it fucks my nose bad, for like a week or two. Five years ago I had some real good fishscale that did not do this. fast forward a year ago and I've been flirting with this bitch meth, didn't snort it for the first 6 months figuring it would wreck my nose. It doesn't, maybe a week of use will cause slight stuffiness with a little blood, which clears up in a day or so. Is there a common coke cut that fucks your sinuses? I'm talking full congestion/inflammation, sneezing runny nose, sudafed barely touches it.
Mmmm. I think that this depands on the quality of the charlie you are sniffing. Good quality C should just snort straight up with no burn and should not clog you nose up.
Yeah I always figured it was some shit cut, I swear my one buddy throws aspirin in sometimes! Just can't risk the money anymore to find out its not suitable for my nose or my arm. When I had some quality shit down south that you could cook or shoot, drop in water every bit would dissolve (yeah I realize carefully selected cuts could do this too) would fuck up my nose, slamming it would bring that train through my head in seconds though!
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Ok 2 a weeks and half later after starting this thread -
im doing coke again, learning my lessons from previous time, so far being pretty responsible, lets see how it ends tonight - a test of will power :))
also started early so no way i have another sleepless night and doing only clean coke from SR - not mixing again with local stuff again filled with crappy speed never again
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I have no experience with this,
but I was just thinking: would some DMT be a nice way to quit an evening...
I know using LSD can "reset" some things in your brain so that you don't crave the stuff afterwards - and I love to end on a little journey with Alice... but I have never heard of anyone using DMT in this manner...
Someone has any thoughts about it? Experience?
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I have experience with LSD to stop cravings but only "the day after" cravings and not on the same session - with 100% success (of course they are very easy to build back once you come accross coke again :)
The DMT sounds interesting - but i do believe in general, that using psychedelics while on coke is almost a sure way to have a comedown from hell, so i never wanted to try it...
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Ok 2 a weeks and half later after starting this thread -
im doing coke again, learning my lessons from previous time, so far being pretty responsible, lets see how it ends tonight - a test of will power :))
also started early so no way i have another sleepless night and doing only clean coke from SR - not mixing again with local stuff again filled with crappy speed never again
I used to try that starting drugs early to get more sleep thing... somehow the mind set always evolved to... "Hoary! Now I can do drugs all day AND night!"
Good luck though and have fun.
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I can't do coke anymore just because of any drug i've ever tried the more i did the more i wanted, it was the biggest challenge for me and i just had to stop 5yrs ago because for whatever reason I can't quite once i start and had to admit that and move on, plus the comedown was the worst ever for me.
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Ok 2 a weeks and half later after starting this thread -
im doing coke again, learning my lessons from previous time, so far being pretty responsible, lets see how it ends tonight - a test of will power :))
also started early so no way i have another sleepless night and doing only clean coke from SR - not mixing again with local stuff again filled with crappy speed never again
I used to try that starting drugs early to get more sleep thing... somehow the mind set always evolved to... "Hoary! Now I can do drugs all day AND night!"
Good luck though and have fun.
LOL same here usually :)
but as for 2 days ago - when i posted this - i did set my time to stop the session at 00:00 night. which i actually did, last line was around that time - and i did not use any time lock safe and yes - i have more coke left in the bag and i did not finish all, so it was fun and a success :))
I can't do coke anymore just because of any drug i've ever tried the more i did the more i wanted, it was the biggest challenge for me and i just had to stop 5yrs ago because for whatever reason I can't quite once i start and had to admit that and move on, plus the comedown was the worst ever for me.
Probably the smartest thing to do, part of the drugs game is also knowing when to get rid of them, some are easier like LSD , MDMA , weed..... coke is a sneaky bastard, need to always keep an eye open for him...
(writing this while on MXE....)
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one of the most thoughtful, helpful, and mature threads I've read on SR. Here's an odd question, if I snort coke it fucks my nose bad, for like a week or two. Five years ago I had some real good fishscale that did not do this. fast forward a year ago and I've been flirting with this bitch meth, didn't snort it for the first 6 months figuring it would wreck my nose. It doesn't, maybe a week of use will cause slight stuffiness with a little blood, which clears up in a day or so. Is there a common coke cut that fucks your sinuses? I'm talking full congestion/inflammation, sneezing runny nose, sudafed barely touches it.
Same happens to me. I seem to suffer from this and friends don't as bad as me!
I was sick before Christmas with a chest infection and ended up on anti-biotics and asked the doc for something to heal my sinuses which were fucked up from coke. He said the anti-biotics would clear them up which they did so I searched the net for a more natural remedy for sinuse probs. and found forums where people with sinus probs used wild oil of oregano so I ordered some and it seemed to work. It's a natural anti biotic. 3 drops per day for 5 days and left it at that. Apple cider vinegar with mother is good for it too.
i was clean of everything for a month too so not sure how much that helped with the oil but my head would be blocked up for ages of late.
Give it a go anyway. Look for the oil of oregano with 70%+ of carvacrol
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I've a new plan!
Pick a weekend to do coke, space the times and use it as a treat, order a gram, no more, enjoy the gram over the weekend and that's it till next time!
I'm on it 3 nights now because I had too much around calling me as it does. If I only had a gram, that would be well gone now and I'd be back to normal (ish).
I thought I was gonna be OK with it around and after tricking myself into just trying 1 or 2 lines, that was it, I was off and find it hard to stop.