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Discussion => Silk Road discussion => Topic started by: HighFly21 on January 12, 2013, 05:57 pm
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if DPR got found and caught.. what would he be charged with?
assuming he does not use drugs, he has no drugs in his possession/property, he does not sell drugs.. the only thing he is doing is keeping and maintaining his silk road site open..
what would the authorities charge him with? it's not a crime to have a website right? i mean the things that other people do on his website he can't be responsible for...
i hope that never happens, but i'm wondering what he would be "in trouble" for...
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There is about 40-50 different charges if they wanted to throw everythimg
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Tax evasion.
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Tax evasion.
That'd be the least of the charges lol.
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Tax evasion.
That'd be the least of the charges lol.
You are obviously not a U.S. citizen. Our taxing authority (the Internal Revenue Service, IRS for short) is as mean, nasty and stealthy as any law federal law enforcement agency ever hoped to be. I have tangled with the IRS. They strike hard and they strike fast and they do it while you're sleeping. They will seize every fucking thing you own. Everything. Don't fuck with the IRS. Wouldn't surprise me if the charge of tax evasion was as at the top of our hypothetical list b/c it will be the easiest charge to prove and make it stick. Obviously this assumes DPR is not paying taxes. For all we know, DPR is paying taxes by channeling SR profits into some legit biz. JMO. Peace.
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There is about 40-50 different charges if they wanted to throw everythimg
There is about 40-50 different charges if they wanted to throw everythimg
Do you really think the number would be that low? I don't have the experience and background that you do, so I assume you know more about this than I do. I just know when I've gotten in trouble for relatively petty offenses (trespassing for example), up to 13 charges have been thrown at me. Of course some were ridiculous.
Though it doesn't really relate to what charges DPR could potentially face, there was the time that I was caught with a plethora of pills and 'could' have faced somewhere around 2,000 years (each schedule II carries a 10 year charge). It was 80+ dilaudid 2s, 50+ OC 40's, about the same number of OC 20's, a box of 6 100mcg Fentanyl patches, around 100 5mg dexadrine and a rack of xanax, valium, and ativan. Here (US), each pill can be counted as a separate charge. Fortunately, it was my first offense and the only charged me with possession of 1 OC and 1 Hydromorphone, and I got 1 year of supervised probation. BUT, I did shell out a nice chunk of change for a good lawyer (who is currently incarcerated for tampering with evidence and stealing controlled substances from evidence control). I knew that he was on something because his pupils were always saucers and he spoke REALLY fast. What's even better is before he was a defense attorney he was a state prosecutor.
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it doesn't matter because we will be rescuing him quickly
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Slap on the wrist
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DPR is not a US citizen, and doesn't have servers in the US. US typical law doesn't apply.
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it doesn't matter because we will be rescuing him quickly
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I like the way you think. Message me here on the forums and I have a free eighth headed your way.
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it doesn't matter because we will be rescuing him quickly
+1
I like the way you think. Message me here on the forums and I have a free eighth headed your way.
Lol I like the way you like the way he thinks.
:D
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DPR is not a US citizen, and doesn't have servers in the US. US typical law doesn't apply.
Do you think that where in the globe he is located matters when the U.S government wants him? Sadly, it doesn't. Lets just hope he can stay hidden.
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I doubt he would be caught, and if he was, it would not be that big of charges.
For exemple WikiLeaks owner was not charge for his website but for fake accusations nothing related to his website.
Not because you own a website that you can be charged for everything happening on it.
I'm pretty sure he is doing his business in one of those country where the government doesn't have law that could arrest him.
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I don't think you can really compare SR and Wikileaks when it comes to breaking the law.
Publishing information on a website is certainly different than directly profiting from the sale of contraband.
I am not quite sure what the US could charge him with if he isn't a US citizen or based in the US.. Certainly not tax evasion. But I am sure there are many charges along the lines of facilitating illegal drug trade they could try to pin on him.
I do agree the borders don't seem to matter that much anymore if the US were to actually figure out where he was operating from. Just look at MegaUpload.
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who is dpr? 8)
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who is dpr? 8)
Our fearless leader.
I heard he stays strapped with two Glock 18's and a cyanide pill under his tongue.
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It's really weird, I got this idea that DPR is located in Austria. I'm not sure but I must have read that somewhere in the forum.
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who is dpr? 8)
Our fearless leader.
I heard he stays strapped with two Glock 18's and a cyanide pill under his tongue.
I heard he has like four dicks and is some sort of international chess champion.
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who is dpr? 8)
Our fearless leader.
I heard he stays strapped with two Glock 18's and a cyanide pill under his tongue.
I heard he has like four dicks and is some sort of international chess champion.
I heard he called Kanye a gay fish and LIVED
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They will in fact find that DPR does not exist. DPR is a robot, named Watson, and appeared on the hit TV show "Jeopardy". Authorities have no way of stopping the ruthless Watson, interrogation tactics do not work.
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They will in fact find that DPR does not exist. DPR is a robot, named Watson, and appeared on the hit TV show "Jeopardy". Authorities have no way of stopping the ruthless Watson, interrogation tactics do not work.
They will in fact find that DPR does not exist. DPR is a robot, named Watson, and appeared on the hit TV show "Jeopardy". Authorities have no way of stopping the ruthless Watson, interrogation tactics do not work.
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I don't think you can really compare SR and Wikileaks when it comes to breaking the law.
Publishing information on a website is certainly different than directly profiting from the sale of contraband.
I am not quite sure what the US could charge him with if he isn't a US citizen or based in the US.. Certainly not tax evasion. But I am sure there are many charges along the lines of facilitating illegal drug trade they could try to pin on him.
I do agree the borders don't seem to matter that much anymore if the US were to actually figure out where he was operating from. Just look at MegaUpload.
MegaUpload had a server in Chicago I think and that's how they could get to the owner
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who is dpr? 8)
Our fearless leader.
I heard he stays strapped with two Glock 18's and a cyanide pill under his tongue.
I heard he has like four dicks and is some sort of international chess champion.
:D this makes me thinks of this (CLEARNET):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7iVsdRbhnc
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I'm sure he has it all figured out.
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MegaUpload had a server in Chicago I think and that's how they could get to the owner
MegaUpload was renting servers from Carpathia hosting company in Virginia but that has nothing to do with why they were prosecuted. Sure it made it easier for them the US to secure evidence but that's about it.
The US government, under pressure from their masters at the MPAA, pressured the New Zealand government to raid Kim Dotcom's mansion based on laws that don't even apply in New Zealand. It's all a huge farce. The search warrant has been deemed invalid by an NZ judge and all sorts of other nonsense.
There are multiple other cases - including one of the original pirate bay raids - that have shown how ridiculously easy it is for private organizations within America to pressure the American government to force actions overseas by leveraging their powers and threatening penalties.
Even outside of technology you can go back to Bill Clinton calling Tony Blair on behalf of Monsanto to trash the scientist's career who created the most damning study showing how GMO foods directly lead to disease and cancer. It is a sad state of affairs but the reality is if the U.S. knows of a specific person in another country whose life they want to destroy they usually can.
Julian Assange seems to be somewhat of an exception but I don't know if you can call him living in essentially a prison of the Ecuadorian embassy not having his life destroyed.
There are some countries DPR could reside in and be safe from the reach of the US. But most of those countries are war torn middle eastern counties plus Russia, China, Ecuador, Venezuela, N. Korea, and Cuba. Maybe that's where DPR is but I doubt it...
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I feel its unfair to compare DPR, Cthulu bless him, to Wikileaks.
DPR is the founder of a black market, there's a billion and one other ones, even some within the TOR network.
The US military was repeatedly proven to have done terrible things because of wikileaks, shaking the resolve of even hardened nationalists. They felt attacked, so they've since made Julian Assange's life a complete hell and continue to do so.
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I wasn't comparing DPR to Wikileaks. Was just giving an example of some people the US are after and Julian Assange is one - as DPR would be if they knew who he was.
Obviously the level of effort may be different - but the US seems to apply serious pressure to get anyone including the others I mentioned in the thread and I could give many more examples as well. When spending money and effort on shit like this they always forget that they are 16+ trillion in debt.
Hopefully it never reaches the point that they know who DPR is because the country he resides in would probably already be after him. But if they werent I am sure the US would pressure them to be in quick order.
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DPR is not a US citizen, and doesn't have servers in the US. US typical law doesn't apply.
Do you think that where in the globe he is located matters when the U.S government wants him? Sadly, it doesn't. Lets just hope he can stay hidden.
This. See Dotcomm raid (New Zealand!).
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it doesn't matter because we will be rescuing him quickly
+1
I like the way you think. Message me here on the forums and I have a free eighth headed your way.
Lol I like the way you like the way he thinks.
:D
Fucking right! That's an awesome kind of karma.
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it doesn't matter because we will be rescuing him quickly
+1
I like the way you think. Message me here on the forums and I have a free eighth headed your way.
Lol I like the way you like the way he thinks.
:D
I think there are some valid points raised here, and i for one would like to discuss them further
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I doubt he would be caught, and if he was, it would not be that big of charges.
For exemple WikiLeaks owner was not charge for his website but for fake accusations nothing related to his website.
Not because you own a website that you can be charged for everything happening on it.
I'm pretty sure he is doing his business in one of those country where the government doesn't have law that could arrest him.
Think about it though? DPR has soley created this website to allow people to buy and sell drugs at the very least i'm thinking a conspiracy to help supply charge or something like that. Do you not think?
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Does anyone think there would be any benefit for LE to try and flip DPR if they were somehow able to capture him privately? Not trying to insinuate that DPR is the type of person that would be able to be flipped but let's just assume for one second it were possible to gain access to the management portion of SR either with DPR's forced cooperation or simple physical access to the servers with skilled enough technicians to break in.
The main things they could get from having access to SR at an admin level would be BTC addresses and full tracking of the stuff happening in the mixer, DCNs given for resolutions, and addresses and other private information that people fail to encrypt while using the PM and ordering systems.
Does anyone think this would be enough for LE to try and maintain the site and gather more information to try and locate vendors or would they just immediately shut it down and claim victory?
Thoughts?
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One word- Conspiracy.
People have been charged with trafficking drugs who never touched saw or had anything but a minimal stake in it, like letting someone use your car and he gets caught. DPR is a smart guy, he is an innovator, I'm pretty sure he knows the risks and he more than likely knows he would be doing life if caught. Just think how much of one drug has been sold on SR since its start. Can you say Conspiracy to traffic 1,000,000 lbs of ecstasy. DPR created this site, it essentially enables people to traffic drugs all over the world.
On the flip side like we see with innovators even in the black market where most are facing insane amounts of charges, there is usually a plea bargain to drop certain charges and maybe even a job to help the gov lol.
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if DPR got found and caught.. what would he be charged with?
assuming he does not use drugs, he has no drugs in his possession/property, he does not sell drugs.. the only thing he is doing is keeping and maintaining his silk road site open..
what would the authorities charge him with? it's not a crime to have a website right? i mean the things that other people do on his website he can't be responsible for...
i hope that never happens, but i'm wondering what he would be "in trouble" for...
After the TFM bust, it is illegal just to run a drug based forum or website.
He would be soooooo fucked just on that one count that everything else wouldn't matter.
BUT...
if they haven't caught him yet, they will not catch him. Let's think about the gawker article and how many big politicians were all over SR. Not a damn thing has been done because it can't be done.
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There is about 40-50 different charges if they wanted to throw everythimg
There is about 40-50 different charges if they wanted to throw everythimg
Do you really think the number would be that low? I don't have the experience and background that you do, so I assume you know more about this than I do. I just know when I've gotten in trouble for relatively petty offenses (trespassing for example), up to 13 charges have been thrown at me. Of course some were ridiculous.
Though it doesn't really relate to what charges DPR could potentially face, there was the time that I was caught with a plethora of pills and 'could' have faced somewhere around 2,000 years (each schedule II carries a 10 year charge). It was 80+ dilaudid 2s, 50+ OC 40's, about the same number of OC 20's, a box of 6 100mcg Fentanyl patches, around 100 5mg dexadrine and a rack of xanax, valium, and ativan. Here (US), each pill can be counted as a separate charge. Fortunately, it was my first offense and the only charged me with possession of 1 OC and 1 Hydromorphone, and I got 1 year of supervised probation. BUT, I did shell out a nice chunk of change for a good lawyer (who is currently incarcerated for tampering with evidence and stealing controlled substances from evidence control). I knew that he was on something because his pupils were always saucers and he spoke REALLY fast. What's even better is before he was a defense attorney he was a state prosecutor.
Well you know what they say, you don't want a criminal lawyer, you want a "criminal" lawyer.
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if they haven't caught him yet, they will not catch him. Let's think about the gawker article and how many big politicians were all over SR. Not a damn thing has been done because it can't be done.
Time is cruel.
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ahhhh come on guys. They would probably just give him a slap on the wrist since hes such a sweet guy ;-) ... Maybe...Maybe.. Some community service
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it doesn't matter because we will be rescuing him quickly
+1
I like the way you think. Message me here on the forums and I have a free eighth headed your way.
Lol I like the way you like the way he thinks.
:D
LOL!
If he was a citizen of the US. And they wanted to make an example of DPR. ( and they would). They'd probably tack on "aiding and abetting" charges for each transaction on the road.
Secondly -Taxes. Taxes is a big one, death and taxes is a saying for a reason.
If i was him, id create several companies in countries "loose" or "bribe" ready country that wouldn't cooperate with the states. Secondly, id renounce my citizenship. Dual citizenship would be even better since you technically have to be a citizen of somewhere, though, it would be interesting to know if one can denounce your citizenship and just travel the sea in a yach, a server room and a satellite connection. He could afford it.
Someone who was smart enough to create all this without being caught, this far -knows what they're doing.
I cant imagine how he balances the knowledge to people ratio. He must have at least one genius partner/tech guy. He cant exactly call oracle for tech support.
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WESTSIDE BITCH!!!!!
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There's no length to the US's long arm. Short of assylum in another Country, the US will go anywhere and everywhere it wants to take what is wants and do what it wants.
I worked for the Govt for 10 years, doing stuff that most people will never hear of.
The US Govt is shady and no one is safe, I feel safer out of their employment than I did in it. Everyone is expendable and even when you think you found the the top of the food chain you find you're just another fall guy.
No one is safe but for everyones sake, I hope DPR stays a free man.
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conspiracy to distribute lsd is a life sentence and conspiracy to launder money is 20 to life in the U.S.
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I heard he was cloned from the same genes as prometheus, chuck norris and jesus!
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I heard he was cloned from the same genes as prometheus, chuck norris and jesus!
lol nice one
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im sure he can afford a nice lawyer... assuming he buries he treasure like a good pirate...
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What makes you think DPR is a he or a singular entity?
The idea of the dread pirate is just that, an idea. DPR is a figure who interacts. I wouldn't be surprised if there any 10 DPR's running this site each with their own purpose.
Let the roll around for a while until it sounds true ;)
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I heard Steve Jobs isn't really dead. He is DPR and went underground because the feds were closing in.
I might of heard it, I might have just made it up... who knows...