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Discussion => Newbie discussion => Topic started by: discgolfking on January 18, 2013, 11:01 pm

Title: DONT FE
Post by: discgolfking on January 18, 2013, 11:01 pm
Whatever you do dont FE. Just try and find another vendor who does not require FE  SAY NO TO FE
Title: Re: DONT FE
Post by: ChuckChillout on January 18, 2013, 11:02 pm
100% agree, that's what escrow is for, no need to get ripped off.
Title: Re: DONT FE
Post by: boomtemple on January 18, 2013, 11:05 pm
Sounds easy enough, doesn't it.

Then you realize that for larger purchases, all the vendors are requiring FE, especially on international.

Sticky wicket really.
Title: Re: DONT FE
Post by: x24x24x on January 18, 2013, 11:06 pm
Seems like many of the highest rated vendors require FE but i'm new so what do i know.
Title: Re: DONT FE
Post by: Torps on January 18, 2013, 11:07 pm
Say no to drugs!

Er...

No I mean to FE!
Title: Re: DONT FE
Post by: ChuckChillout on January 18, 2013, 11:07 pm
I just find it akin to buying on the street and giving a group of 3 big dudes your money and they say say "yeah we will be right back, just gotta go down the street" Then you never see them again.
Title: Re: DONT FE
Post by: Blerbadoo on January 18, 2013, 11:08 pm
My first purchase was from Lucydrop, who requires FE from new buyers. Having done research on the forums I felt confident in FE with Lucydrop. I knew it was a risk and I accepted it. I promptly received my product.

I must add Never say Never  :P
Just make educated choices... derp

Title: Re: DONT FE
Post by: boomtemple on January 18, 2013, 11:09 pm
Though with the rating system, it's like 100 of your buddies told you those 3 big dudes delivered quality products in a timely manner for them, on several occasions.
Title: Re: DONT FE
Post by: ChuckChillout on January 18, 2013, 11:12 pm
Though with the rating system, it's like 100 of your buddies told you those 3 big dudes delivered quality products in a timely manner for them, on several occasions.

That is true, but in my humble opinion it's not worth the risk, selective scammers are about.
Title: Re: DONT FE
Post by: boomtemple on January 18, 2013, 11:15 pm
Never gamble with money you can't afford to lose :)
Title: Re: DONT FE
Post by: CarolinaSmoke on January 18, 2013, 11:17 pm
Have FE every time and bought from darkesspresso 3 times 1 onion and 2 elbows. Shit comes SUPER discrete overweight and on time. So if you do your research on the vendor see they are in good standing then FE, BUT if it a new vendor or someone with no reviews of product received then I would not do it. But that's just my 2 bitcents
Title: Re: DONT FE
Post by: greenfields2 on January 18, 2013, 11:22 pm
no need
Title: Re: DONT FE
Post by: DrChong on January 18, 2013, 11:24 pm
A very good rule to live by. Especially if you're doing bulk buys - imagine the disaster if a seller suddenly flipped when he got an order for 10k+ (which I KNOW occurs here).

Regarding the issue of trust, it stands to reason that no one can be trusted fully on SR. And I stress that I do not mean to be offensive, but that's the way it is. I'm sure many people here are normal, down to earth folks, with good jobs and families, who simply wish to act in opposition to our governments' policies and set an example for proper counter-economics. But, it is a black market, and you do need to tread carefully.

Title: Re: DONT FE
Post by: greenfields2 on January 18, 2013, 11:27 pm
I never ask for F.E on my account  8) check it out got some good hashes
Title: Re: DONT FE
Post by: x24x24x on January 18, 2013, 11:34 pm
I never ask for F.E on my account  8) check it out got some good hashes
Title: Re: DONT FE
Post by: greenfields2 on January 18, 2013, 11:37 pm
I never ask for F.E on my account  8) check it out got some good hashes
yip its true  8) check out my vendors page for good clean hash thats reasonably priced
Title: Re: DONT FE
Post by: XXXotica on January 18, 2013, 11:38 pm
Never!  :)
Title: Re: DONT FE
Post by: kola_nutz on January 19, 2013, 12:13 am
There really isnt much on here you cant go and buy from another SR vendor that doesnt require FE. 
Title: Re: DONT FE
Post by: Snotsnot on January 19, 2013, 12:14 am
A very good rule to live by. Especially if you're doing bulk buys - imagine the disaster if a seller suddenly flipped when he got an order for 10k+ (which I KNOW occurs here).

Regarding the issue of trust, it stands to reason that no one can be trusted fully on SR. And I stress that I do not mean to be offensive, but that's the way it is. I'm sure many people here are normal, down to earth folks, with good jobs and families, who simply wish to act in opposition to our governments' policies and set an example for proper counter-economics. But, it is a black market, and you do need to tread carefully.


So true, couldn't agree more.

Im still about to make my first buy but it seems really hard to find some1 how offers a fair agreement about FE and repost
Title: Re: DONT FE
Post by: zerik on January 19, 2013, 02:19 am
I think of more buyers especially new people than the sellers will require it.

You are taking 100%  of the risk if you FE. Doesn't sound like a smart way to go. A lot can happen other than theft.

If a seller plays by the rules and uses the escrow system what is the risk to them?

The seller isn't left twisting in the wind even if the buyer drops dead. His/her Funds are realised automatically.


Title: Re: DONT FE
Post by: lilacstar on January 19, 2013, 02:21 am
I FE'd on my first purchase and I was fine. Though the seller didn't require it, it would be shipped out earlier if I did.

I don't advocate FE though, you can get scammed. But you just have to look out for who the vendor is. However as many people have learned, even if the vendor is in the top 5%, scamming is still possible.

Look out for yourself.

And with that, I'm at 50 posts :)
Title: Re: DONT FE
Post by: DuncanMacLeod on January 19, 2013, 02:23 am
I FEd for the first time a few days ago because a reputable vendor warned me he was slow and package could take 2 more weeks to arrive. I didn't want to bother with resolution and certainly not get an auto-finalize on my rating. If the product doesn't arrive and I don't get a satisfying resolution, he'll get my BTC share of bad rep on SR and in everyone of his thread and product thread in this forum IF I EVER GET OUT OF THIS DAMN NEWBIE SECTION.
Title: Re: DONT FE
Post by: Raichu67 on January 19, 2013, 02:39 am
I will FE for somebody with a 97+ rating and hundreds transactions. It just gets it out of my way.
Title: Re: DONT FE
Post by: DuncanMacLeod on January 19, 2013, 08:32 pm
97 already makes me nervous, unless it's on 300+ transactions over a year or more. I wouldn't think about FEing below 99/100. Ratings going below those levels start smelling of selective scamming, especially when the vendors ask to FE...
Title: Re: DONT FE
Post by: JungleFlash69 on January 20, 2013, 01:16 pm
Ever!
Title: Re: DONT FE
Post by: kukpikk on January 20, 2013, 01:18 pm
Never FE!
Title: Re: DONT FE
Post by: mumbojumbo47895 on January 20, 2013, 01:21 pm
its been said before .... never say never ... use your judgement. be smart
Title: Re: DONT FE
Post by: my_tor_username on January 20, 2013, 01:24 pm
never did
Title: Re: DONT FE
Post by: bluephishin on January 20, 2013, 02:24 pm
dont ever fe
Title: Re: DONT FE
Post by: orangetide on January 20, 2013, 02:28 pm
Nearly fell into this trap myself, was about to FE to a seller who disappeared off the radar, luckily my order was canceled first.

Close one
Title: Re: DONT FE
Post by: kssr on January 20, 2013, 02:31 pm
Only FE once and that was for 50g of meph.

Stayed in escrow for several hundred pills, you do feel much safer in escrow for some reason.
Title: Re: DONT FE
Post by: AgentLee on January 20, 2013, 02:50 pm
I agree in principle, however there are some (I'm looking at you, Frank) who insist on FE. Frank is legit.

I''ve been trying to post again in the review thread for Frank Matthews concnering arrival times, but can't due to post limit implementation.

Anyhoo, I find he's good. Whenever I get the heebie jeebies about it being late, it turns up the day I message him. Which makes me look like a twit.

This time it's been five days - nothing yet, but hopefully tomorrow.

Title: Re: DONT FE
Post by: fonskizzle on January 20, 2013, 03:06 pm
Seriously though never FE.
Title: Re: DONT FE
Post by: AgentLee on January 20, 2013, 03:17 pm
Seriously though never FE.

I don't agree. I have FE'd on almost all my purchases with no problems at all. It depends on the vendor.
Title: Re: DONT FE
Post by: braindrain on January 20, 2013, 03:41 pm
If you don't have any buying history you might not have any choice. There are vendors that won't require it for first time buyers, but you might be limiting yourself in terms of choice. Do your research on the vendor. Don't rely only on the feedback on their sellers page, make sure you check the forums. Start off with small orders. Once you have a few buys under your belt, if they say FE you say FU!
Title: Re: DONT FE
Post by: thegoat on January 20, 2013, 03:50 pm
I agree in principle, however there are some (I'm looking at you, Frank) who insist on FE. Frank is legit.

I''ve been trying to post again in the review thread for Frank Matthews concnering arrival times, but can't due to post limit implementation.

Anyhoo, I find he's good. Whenever I get the heebie jeebies about it being late, it turns up the day I message him. Which makes me look like a twit.

This time it's been five days - nothing yet, but hopefully tomorrow.

Agree with agentlee agree in principle however if your a newbie and want to get things moving in terms of bulk buys you sometimes have to take a punt as most vendors wont entertain you.
Title: Re: DONT FE
Post by: MagikMattress on January 20, 2013, 07:37 pm
I'd just say try to find a new vendor if one requires FE. So far all 3 vendors I have used dont require FE. But if you do decide to FE read the forums before you do.
Title: Re: DONT FE
Post by: MaoZedong on January 20, 2013, 07:57 pm
I agree with the NEVER FE advice but I also make it a personal rule of mine to never buy from vendors that have pages and pages of un-updated FE in their comments. I wouldn't even risk an escrow deal with a vendor like this because it just seems too lucrative for the vendor to walk off when that many people are FEing.

I'm not saying that I don't trust the escrow system, I'm just saying I never want to get to the point of having my coins tied up in resolution.
Title: Re: DONT FE
Post by: nowayjose on January 20, 2013, 08:07 pm
I FE'd for a new vendor that just disappeared. She was getting really good reviews and they changed. Not sure what happened. She sent me a tracking number for a package that has just passed through customs. We'll see if it's what I ordered and if it actually comes to me. In any case I won't be FE'ing again unless the vendor is well-established.
Title: Re: DONT FE
Post by: nowayjose on January 20, 2013, 08:09 pm
Sorry, I meant they *never* changed. I.E. nobody ever said anything bad about her.
Title: Re: DONT FE
Post by: cbrid on January 20, 2013, 08:29 pm
FE is fine as long as you choose a vendor who has loads of good feedback.
Title: Re: DONT FE
Post by: suavee on January 21, 2013, 09:40 pm
I think you should never FE but sometimes its at your own discretion
Title: Re: DONT FE
Post by: magicpearl on January 21, 2013, 09:56 pm
i did...FE... but its all good... just check out ur vendor properly b4 doing so... x
Title: Re: DONT FE
Post by: sporkehh on January 21, 2013, 10:12 pm
kk
Title: Re: DONT FE
Post by: nimatek on January 21, 2013, 10:41 pm
first of FE look at this forum the information about your seller
прежде FE посмотри на этом форуме инфу про твоего продавца
Title: Re: DONT FE
Post by: triptoheaven on January 22, 2013, 11:29 am
FE is bad.
Title: Re: DONT FE
Post by: Neurot on January 22, 2013, 01:36 pm
I was asked to FE on my first purchase. I wrote a message to the vendor about why I wasn't comfortable with it, and the vendor said it was all good, I didn't have to FE (which is good because I wouldn't have). I have not had to FE yet, and am still damn young around here. On the contrary, the vendors I have chosen have all been really fucking great. I will not FE, there is simply no reason to do so. The escrow system protects both the buyer and the seller and if you are a stand up individual that should suffice.
Title: Re: DONT FE
Post by: username10 on January 23, 2013, 11:22 pm
I would never FE on a new vendor or a vendor who doesn't have good feedback. If the vendor reuqires FE, look at his %rating, if it's over 98% and they have been selling with good feedback over 300 tranactions I would give it a try, but only a small amount to sample.
always start of small. alot of people bullshit
Title: Re: DONT FE
Post by: DuncanMacLeod on January 24, 2013, 02:16 am
Some products are hard to get, you sometimes have no other choices than vendors asking for FE
Title: Re: DONT FE
Post by: aress on January 24, 2013, 02:38 am
I'm new and it seems the best vendors quite often need FE. I try to avoid it as much as possible but if a vendor has a very high rating and has been around long enough I probably will accept the risk. Just not for large purchases.
Title: Re: DONT FE
Post by: ukmagic on January 24, 2013, 02:46 am
FE is for chumps  >:(
Title: Re: DONT FE
Post by: bigboy999 on January 24, 2013, 02:47 am
I'm brand new and offered to FE on my first purchases.  Both vendors told me NOT to.  I'm TRYING to give them $$ and they wanted me to wait to be sure.

I'll be buying from these guys until .. I dunno, they stop selling or I stop buying.
Title: Re: DONT FE
Post by: QS on January 24, 2013, 03:54 am
I fe'd my first purchase and my order came on time.  But I was fucking nervous the entire time.
Title: Re: DONT FE
Post by: rozelle on January 24, 2013, 04:10 am
hm, i'll be careful then.  thanks
Title: Re: DONT FE
Post by: TinyDot on January 24, 2013, 04:38 am
If you have less than 5 transactions and/or less than $100 spent most vendors will want you to FE since your still relatively new.  I know myself my first 3 transactions all required a FE but those days are long past now 8)  One thing I can say is if you trust the vendor and you want to release the coin early then go ahead but be aware of the risks.  I myself FE one time and my package never arrived, since then their is only one cat I will FE for and even then I only use them as a backup because if you do some digging you will eventually find someone else supplying the same shit w/o the FE nonsense.  As for the one vendor I would FE for, I have done over 6 transactions with them and FE every time and every time I received my product quickly, and stealthily and the only reason for the FE was due to intl order.
TinyDot
Title: Re: DONT FE
Post by: sawyersilva on January 24, 2013, 04:43 am
noted as a newbie i will try to find some other vendors who dont require it thanks for the heads up ;D
Title: Re: DONT FE
Post by: Dozes on January 24, 2013, 04:57 am
I will never finalize because escrow is a great protection that I value.
Title: Re: DONT FE
Post by: Madrigal on January 24, 2013, 05:00 am
Here's newb for you... What is "fe"?
Title: Re: DONT FE
Post by: mindmatter on January 24, 2013, 05:08 am
Some products are hard to get, you sometimes have no other choices than vendors asking for FE

That's the way I felt. Then I lost ~$90 to Evilution for a gram of DMT that I was made to FE for.
Now my rule is. Never means never! I don't think finalizing early is ever going to be the best choice unless losing money is hobby you like.
Title: Re: DONT FE
Post by: TinyDot on January 24, 2013, 05:16 am
Here's newb for you... What is "fe"?

FE= Finalizing Early
Basically you release your payment before receiving your product.  If your a newb you may be required to FE depending on the vendor so choose vendors wisely, but you should do that anyway all the time.
TinyDot
Title: Re: DONT FE
Post by: scratchthis on January 24, 2013, 05:51 am
I think like anything, it's not quite right to say *never* FE.

Once I've used a vendor for several transactions and they have a generally positive reputation, I almost always finalize their transactions as soon as they're marked "In Transit". Otherwise, they are having to wait to get paid for something they've already sent. As a person who occasionally sells on Ebay, I hate the fact that I don't get my funds right away.

On the other hand, there are clearly times when you should *not* FE.

I would think very carefully about using any vendor that requires FE, especially if they don't have a good track record on feedback for completed transactions and/or the forums.

BTW, this newbie crap of having to get 50 posts before being able to post to the general forums is BS IMHO.

The most likely people to get scammed are newbies. And suddenly they can't alert the general community when it happens. Plus, maybe I just don't post much.
Title: Re: DONT FE
Post by: scratchthis on January 24, 2013, 05:54 am
Further, I've heard vendors complain about having to wait for transactions to auto-finalize, which means they probably are waiting a long time after the customer has the product to get their money.

I don't understand this at all. SupremeSmoke, who has the most awesome dope has had to blacklist people because they didn't finalize on time consistently. If you have your product, why wait? It's not like you have access to the funds anyway.
Title: Re: DONT FE
Post by: DucksWorth on January 24, 2013, 05:55 am
I agree I was burned once with this, never again.

I am to this day now tempted to FE with supertrips a well respected vendor here that just had a falling out a bit ago but I will stick with my current vendor even if his product is somehow inferior to ST's just for the escrow and tracking.
Title: Re: DONT FE
Post by: isomerman on January 24, 2013, 06:26 am
A very good rule to live by. Especially if you're doing bulk buys - imagine the disaster if a seller suddenly flipped when he got an order for 10k+ (which I KNOW occurs here).

Regarding the issue of trust, it stands to reason that no one can be trusted fully on SR. And I stress that I do not mean to be offensive, but that's the way it is. I'm sure many people here are normal, down to earth folks, with good jobs and families, who simply wish to act in opposition to our governments' policies and set an example for proper counter-economics. But, it is a black market, and you do need to tread carefully.

yes a guy is going to ruin a rep on a long-standing vendor account for 10k... check your fucking head, there are people making a lot more than that here you goof
Title: Re: DONT FE
Post by: deiog on January 24, 2013, 06:29 am
Say NO to FE
Title: Re: DONT FE
Post by: isomerman on January 24, 2013, 06:30 am
I feel like all the people spamming OMG NO FE are under 20 years old, raver kiddies who can't afford real drugs locally and don't understand international business.  Get the fuck off the website if you can't afford to lose 100 bucks.  The prices for almost everything here are on point at like, spending $1000 locally in the states or canada, but you're getting it for 30 bucks... and still complaining?  It isn't worth most the vendors time to ship these kinds of orders, they're fucking SAMPLES, not SHIPMENTS for you to have fun with your friends on a weekend lol!!!!

I've met plenty of your kind locally, just because you're behind a screen name doesn't mean you're not easy to pick out.

Title: Re: DONT FE
Post by: isomerman on January 24, 2013, 06:38 am
hi guys I JUST FOUND THIS WEBSITE and like i saw breaking bad on tv a few times and i am totally going to be the best drug dealer ever!! oh ya american gangster kicks ass.

i don't want to FE anything i buy thats bullshit!!! ecscrow is to protect ME !!! right??? also i'm going to sell all the shit i buy to my close friends for 4x the price and make a killing and be the coolest guy ever!!! also there won't be any risk at all right because FUCK FE but that's fine cuz im just a small fry dealer loOTLORTOLOLOLOLL@@@@@@@@

oh ya WHAT NAME SHOULD I USE FOR MAILING ADDRESS OR SHOULD I SHIP IT TO MY PARENTS HOUSE LOL

______


?????????????????  this is what i read when i read "dont FE"
Title: Re: DONT FE
Post by: Roosty on January 24, 2013, 06:42 am
Ive finalized early for a few weed dealers and havnt been ripped off yet so knock on wood
Title: Re: DONT FE
Post by: beadvised on January 24, 2013, 07:47 am
Haha, you know everyone in this thread FE's behind everyone else's back. Yeah it'd be great if you convince everyone to not FE and actually demonstrate some consumer power, but if a vendor with a perfect track record and a perfect product comes along...with the drug you're looking for...you FE. Everyone does it.

rule number 1: do not talk about fight club?
Title: Re: DONT FE
Post by: Dcompany on January 24, 2013, 08:25 am
 :-X
Title: Re: DONT FE
Post by: reeki789 on January 24, 2013, 08:27 am
FE for very well trusted vendors with LOTS of feedback. i do it with trusted vendors and have no issue
Title: Re: DONT FE
Post by: artline500 on January 24, 2013, 08:38 am
FE for very well trusted vendors with LOTS of feedback. i do it with trusted vendors and have no issue

Bump. If the vendor looks legit and has A+ feedback i wont hesitate to FE early, majority of vendors r doing it
Title: Re: DONT FE
Post by: doink on January 24, 2013, 09:33 am
FE is an option if you are new and making a small order from a trusted vender.
Title: Re: DONT FE
Post by: Madrigal on January 25, 2013, 12:25 am
Here's newb for you... What is "fe"?

FE= Finalizing Early
Basically you release your payment before receiving your product.  If your a newb you may be required to FE depending on the vendor so choose vendors wisely, but you should do that anyway all the time.
TinyDot
Thanks!  Sadly I don't have status enough yet to help your karma.  You'll just have to settle for real life karma instead...
Title: Re: DONT FE
Post by: sleepyg on January 25, 2013, 10:18 pm
Golden Rule her gentleman
Title: Re: DONT FE
Post by: Oeufalacoke on February 02, 2013, 02:33 pm
hi guys I JUST FOUND THIS WEBSITE and like i saw breaking bad on tv a few times and i am totally going to be the best drug dealer ever!! oh ya american gangster kicks ass.

i don't want to FE anything i buy thats bullshit!!! ecscrow is to protect ME !!! right??? also i'm going to sell all the shit i buy to my close friends for 4x the price and make a killing and be the coolest guy ever!!! also there won't be any risk at all right because FUCK FE but that's fine cuz im just a small fry dealer loOTLORTOLOLOLOLL@@@@@@@@

oh ya WHAT NAME SHOULD I USE FOR MAILING ADDRESS OR SHOULD I SHIP IT TO MY PARENTS HOUSE LOL

______


?????????????????  this is what i read when i read "dont FE"
TRUE STORY. LOL.
Title: Re: DONT FE
Post by: EastCoastCollective on February 02, 2013, 03:06 pm
I wouldnt FE until i did some business with a vendor. even then its risky.just due to the nature of the business
Title: Re: DONT FE
Post by: themadman11 on February 02, 2013, 04:23 pm
vever fe
Title: Re: DONT FE
Post by: medicalcannibas420 on February 02, 2013, 04:41 pm
I understand why venders require it of newbys......I see both sides.......I also have been on the other end when customers say they did not receive the package
when the tracking # says delivered.....you know they got it....but refuse to pay the balance.....That is why I am here.......
Title: Re: DONT FE
Post by: roger ramjet on February 03, 2013, 08:03 am
fe  if u have too and they got a good rep like limitless
Title: Re: DONT FE
Post by: bolbiggans on February 03, 2013, 02:57 pm
I understand why venders require it of newbys......I see both sides.......I also have been on the other end when customers say they did not receive the package
when the tracking # says delivered.....you know they got it....but refuse to pay the balance.....That is why I am here.......

Yeah, I can also see both sides, but it's still the internetz and lots of people are indeed scamming. It's so easy to make a new account, order something then say you didn't got it resulting into a partial refund.
If a seller is trusted I see no problem in FE though. Seems like you can still change rating to 1/5 if you actually didn't get it and I'm sure they'll want to resolve some way.
Title: Re: DONT FE
Post by: UK Stealth on February 03, 2013, 05:23 pm
When I buy there stats Determine a lot!. I buy from Vendors which have 300+ transactions behind them. then I don't have a problem with FE.
Title: Re: DONT FE
Post by: Immortally on February 03, 2013, 07:07 pm
It,s obvious to me your losing your protection,you never know what,s gonna happen ppl are like the weather changing all the time.realistic view
Title: Re: DONT FE
Post by: MrVidalia on February 03, 2013, 09:49 pm
I have placed about 100 orders from 20 different Vendors and never had an issue and never once did I FE.
Title: Re: DONT FE
Post by: discgolfking on February 03, 2013, 10:41 pm
I have heard it all now. OH hes aTRUSTED VENDOR or THE VENDOR HAS GREAT STATS package is always on time  etc etc........ EVERYBODY WHO SAYS FE IS NO BIG DEAL  type in TONY76 into the forum search
and find out what happens to people who fe for a trusted vendor
Title: Re: DONT FE
Post by: BadApples on February 03, 2013, 10:44 pm
Never had a problem with FE. Just do thorough research before you make your decision, reputable vendors do still exist.
Title: Re: DONT FE
Post by: edar on February 03, 2013, 10:55 pm
 :(
Title: Re: DONT FE
Post by: stonesupply on February 04, 2013, 01:43 am
fe < 50 posts
Title: Re: DONT FE
Post by: BuscaLuz on February 04, 2013, 01:47 am
Sometimes you need to take the risk...
Title: Re: DONT FE
Post by: Mushman1973 on February 04, 2013, 05:19 pm
I have to agree with this with the exemption of Lucydrop. I`m only saying this because of the many happy customers he has me being one of them. 99% of the time I would agree to not FE, just do your reaserch if you do.