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FBI Law Enforcement Bulletin via Findarticles
Most
Americans use the U.S. Postal Service nearly every day. Whether to send
bills to clients, advertise for new customers, or exchange letters with
friends, citizens rely on the Postal Service to help them conduct their
professional and personal business. Unfortunately, some people use it to
conduct illegal business--namely, drug distribution.
In Omaha,
Nebraska, authorities have taken steps to cut off the drug trade
conducted by mail. In 1988. inspectors from the U.S. Postal Inspection
Service proposed a partnership with the Omaha, Nebraska, Police
Department's Narcotics Unit to interdict drugs transported into the city
by mail. Prior intelligence gathering revealed that dealers smuggled
large amounts of cocaine into Omaha simply by wrapping up the drugs and
mailing them at the post office. Smugglers often used express delivery
methods because the demands of quick delivery lowered the chances of
detection by postal inspectors.
The joint operation has yielded
positive results. In one early case, inspectors intercepted a suspicious
package mailed from Los Angeles, California, to an Omaha address. Based
on the subsequent investigation, inspectors obtained a search warrant
for the package, which contained 6 ounces (186 grams) of powdered
cocaine.
The drugs led the joint team to a big arrest when an
undercover postal inspector made a controlled delivery of the package to
the mailing address in Omaha, and police officers immediately executed a
search warrant on the location. Inside, officers apprehended a hard
core gang member who had relocated from southern California and
established gun- and drug-running operations in the city. The success of
this operation and others like it stemmed from two factors: Use of a
package profile to identify suspicious parcels and close cooperation
between the U.S. Postal Inspection Service and the Omaha Police
Narcotics Unit during the investigatory process.
THE PROFILE
To
identify pieces of mail that might contain controlled substances,
postal inspectors rely on a package profile based on a readily
discernable, predetermined set of criteria. Past court decisions make
clear that the regular application of a consistent set of criteria is
not intrusive.(1) Using the profile helps establish reasonable
suspicion, which is required by the Postal Service to detain mail for
examination.(2)
The profile sets criteria for both the package's
condition and its label. Taken individually, few of the criteria would
indicate that the package contains contraband; however, a combination of
these factors indicates a suspicious package worthy of a second look.
First,
in terms of the package itself, inspectors look for parcels that have
been heavily taped along the seams, have been prepared poorly for
mailing, have an uneven weight distribution, or apparently have been
reused. However, inspectors do not identify questionable pieces of mail
only by sight; suspicious packages frequently emit odors of marijuana or
of a masking agent, such as perfume, coffee, or fabric-softener sheets.
Second,
package labels often provide clues. Inspectors look for labels that
have been handwritten; contain misspelled names, streets, or cities;
originate from a drug-source State; and have been sent from one person
to another, not from a business to an individual. Further identifiers
include a return address ZIP code that does not match the accepting post
office ZIP code or a fictitious return address. Finally, the names of
the sender and/or the receiver frequently have a common ring to them,
such as John Smith, and have no connection to either address.
Postal
inspectors receive copies of all labels from packages signed for by the
recipient. If a particular address receives multiple deliveries from a
drug-source State, for example, inspectors will check with postal
carriers at both the sending and receiving addresses to verify names and
addresses. If the return address is fictitious or if the listed names
do not have a connection to either address, inspectors will be alert to
intercept future packages.
THE INVESTIGATION
The Postal
Inspection Service bears responsibility for detecting suspicious
packages. This type of investigation requires patience, because
inspectors routinely examine hundreds of mailing labels on packages sent
through the mail. Through these examinations, inspectors attempt to
recognize packages matching the profile characteristics. When they
locate a suspicious package, the investigation begins.
Present Package to Drug Dog
Upon
discovery of a suspicious package, postal inspectors notify the Omaha
Police Narcotics Unit. The unit's supervisor assigns a drug dog handler
to meet with the inspector and present the package to the dog.
Presentation
strategies vary. Sometimes the handler hides the package to see if the
dog can sniff out its location. At other times, the handler presents the
suspicious package to the dog, along with other similar parcels.
The
dog handler carefully records the details of the presentation for
future use as search warrant documentation. The dog's positive reaction
to the package indicates the presence of drugs, which in many cases
establishes probable cause to prepare a search warrant to inspect the
parcel's contents.
Suspicious package investigations typically
require two search warrants: One to open and search the package and one
to search the mailing address after delivery of the parcel. Postal
inspectors and police investigators work closely to ensure that all
documentation for the warrants is complete and accurate, important
factors in obtaining evidence and prosecuting the case.
Searching the Package
Because
the U.S. mail falls under Federal jurisdiction, a Federal warrant must
be obtained for any suspicious package. The police drug dog handler
helps the inspector prepare the affidavit because they must provide the
magistrate with a history of the dog's reliability and past
achievements.
Having obtained the warrant, postal inspectors open
the package. This important step must not be dealt with carelessly. The
package might need to be resealed for a controlled delivery, so
inspectors must exercise caution. To preserve fingerprints on any item
or contraband, the person opening the package wears rubber gloves.
Inspectors also photograph the opening of the parcel in a series of
steps for use as future evidence.
In the formative stages of
Omaha's program, postal inspectors and police investigators met with
prosecutors to determine a strategy for handling cases brought by the
joint team. They concurred that when a package containing drugs was
identified, investigators would remove most of the drugs, leaving just a
small amount to be resealed in the package and delivered later.
Prosecutors agreed that they could argue successfully in court that the
defendant found in possession of the resealed package actually had
"constructive possession" of the original amount of contraband. However,
to preserve the elements of the State or Federal drugs violation, it
would be best if at least some of the drugs originally seized were
delivered in the package.
After removing most of the illegal
substance, inspectors frequently replace it with an imitation so as not
to alert suspects when they open the package. For example, a recent
investigation in Omaha located a large amount of crack cocaine formed
into the shape of cookies. Investigators left several of the original
crack cookies in the package but substituted sugar cookies for the rest.
On
a practical note, this procedure safeguards against the loss of the
evidence in the unlikely event that the subject eludes police officers
after the package is delivered but before the search warrant of the
residence can be executed. Omaha officers quickly discovered that
suspects often attempt to leave the location with the evidence
immediately following the controlled delivery of the package but prior
to the entry team's arrival.
Searching the Address
Once the
package has been searched and resealed, the Omaha Police Narcotics Unit
supervisor prepares a search warrant for the mailing address. This does
not have to be a Federal warrant, but the Federal search warrant used to
open the package is referenced in the warrant petition and a copy is
attached.
A police investigator and the postal inspector
collaborate to prepare the second search warrant. The affidavit
describes exactly how the investigation began--with discovery of the
suspicious package--and follows with the details of presenting the
parcel to the drug dog, obtaining the Federal search warrant, opening
the package, and locating the drugs. The affidavit also notes that
officers removed a specific amount of the drug from the package, left a
small amount, and refilled the package with an imitation substance.
This
type of search warrant is anticipatory in nature. That is, the
affidavit clearly must show that law enforcement officers currently
possess the drugs to be seized and that they intend to serve the search
warrant after the controlled delivery of the package. If probable cause
exists, items such as packaging materials, scales, long distance
telephone bills, money, drug records, and additional drugs should be
listed on the warrant to be seized. Any historical or intelligence
information about the address of the anticipated delivery or the persons
known to frequent the address also should be documented in the
affidavit.
Prepare for Delivery
The next step involves
delivering the package to the intended address under carefully
controlled conditions. The Narcotics Unit supervisor handles three
aspects of this operation. The supervisor arranges the controlled
delivery, establishes a secure perimeter around the address to prevent
the subject from leaving with the package, and supervises the execution
of the search warrant.
First, the supervisor conducts an
extensive reconnaissance of the address, especially noting all possible
exits. Because at least several minutes will elapse between the
controlled delivery and the execution of the search warrant to allow the
recipient time to open the package, all exits of the address must be
placed under surveillance to prevent anyone from leaving with the
package.
Second, the supervisor briefs all officers involved in
executing the search warrant, dividing officers between the perimeter
and entry teams. The perimeter team, which keeps all exits of the target
address under surveillance, must be positioned to stop and arrest
anyone who might leave with the package after it has been delivered. The
entry team, which typically comprises Omaha police officers, postal
inspectors, and occasionally, FBI agents, serves the warrant, makes
appropriate arrests, and conducts the subsequent search of the premises.
Deliver the Package
An
undercover postal inspector normally delivers the package after the
perimeter team takes its position. In most situations, the Narcotics
Unit supervisor then gives the recipient enough time to open the
package, because an opened package undermines the commonly used defense
that the suspect did not know what it contained.
In addition,
experience shows that the original recipient often will turn over the
parcel to a second person who arrives within minutes of the delivery.
For this reason, the supervisor might choose to wait a considerable
length of time before sending in the entry team.
Execute the Search Warrant
At
the appropriate time, the entry team executes the search warrant for
the package on the target location. During the search, officers remain
alert for additional drugs, drug records, money, long distance telephone
bills, scales, baggies, and other labels of packages previously mailed
to the address, as listed on the warrant.
Upon completion of the
search, the supervisor quickly analyzes the situation to determine
whether to interrogate the person who signed for the package on the
scene. If such questioning could prove fruitful, the suspect is advised
of his Miranda rights. On occasion, by immediately interrogating the
recipient, investigators have convinced suspects to make tape-recorded
telephone contact with a second suspect who, in turn, arrived at the
scene only to be arrested.
Investigators question the arrested
parties thoroughly to determine their knowledge of the parcel's contents
and their connections with a network of people involved in smuggling
the package into the city. Many postal profiling cases in Omaha have
resulted in Federal prosecution of individuals in other States, such as
California, for participating in drug smuggling operations.
SUCCESSES
The
success of the package profiling program in Omaha proves that law
enforcement can transcend jurisdictional boundaries to combat crimes
that often go undetected. Highlights of the program include two separate
seizures of 3-pound quantities of crack cocaine valued at approximately
$250,000 each that had been mailed to Omaha from sources in Los
Angeles.
Not all seizures have run smoothly. In one case,
inspectors intercepted a package containing 5 ounces (155 grams) of
methamphetamine. Following standard procedure, officers removed all but 5
grams of the substance, which they sealed in a tube taped to the inside
of the package. A female at the target address signed for the package
during the controlled delivery, but when officers executed the search
warrant, no drugs could be found. Knowing that they had delivered the
methamphetamine, officers conducted an extensive and thorough search of
the premises but to no avail. Finally, several hours later, the woman
vomited the tube intact. She had swallowed it when she saw the law
enforcement officers approach the residence.
Despite the
occasional mishap, the package profiling system has produced many
seizures that have netted both crack and powdered cocaine, marijuana,
LSD, methamphetamine, heroin, steroids, and hallucinogenic mushrooms.
Prosecutors have obtained numerous felony convictions in both Federal
and State courts.
CONCLUSION
Profiling postal packages
represents a challenging and exciting aspect of drug enforcement. In the
future, law enforcement agencies might expand the use of this technique
to detect packages transported by private carriers and parcel services.
The
expertise gained by working with postal inspectors to detect controlled
substances sent by mail could be applied to private carriers in an
attempt to choke off other conduits for transporting controlled
substances. By employing every method available, U.S. Postal Inspectors
can work with local law enforcement agencies to keep the Postal Service
from being an unwitting and unwilling drug courier.
RELATED ARTICLE: The Profile
Postal inspectors use these criteria to identify packages that might contain drugs.
Package Criteria
* Emits odors of marijuana or or a masking agent (e.g., coffee, perfume, fabric-softener sheets)
* Is heavily taped along seams
* Is poorly prepared for mailing
* Appears to have been re-used
* Has an uneven weight distribution
Label Criteria
* Is handwritten
* Contains misspelled names, streets, or cities
* Originates from a drug source State
* Has been sent from an individual to an individual
* Contains return address ZIP code that does not match accepting post office ZIP code
* Shows a fictitious return address
* Lists sender's and/or receiver's names of common type (e.g., John Smith) that are not connected to either address
Endnotes
(1)
United States v. Hill, 701 F. Supp. 1522 (D.C.Kan. 1988). (2) The U.S.
Postal Service's Administrative Support Manual (ASM), Section 274.31,
disallows any mail sealed against inspection (i.e., First-Class, Express
Mail) to be detained, even for a dog sniff, with very few exceptions.
ASM 274.31 (a) notes that "a Postal Inspector acting diligently and
without avoidable delay, upon reasonable suspicion, for a brief period
of time [may detain a piece of mail] to assemble sufficient evidence to
satisfy the probable-cause requirement for a search warrant, and to
apply for, obtain, and execute the warrant." Therefore, reasonable
suspicion must exist before the mail can be detained.
COPYRIGHT 1996 Federal Bureau of Investigation
COPYRIGHT 2004 Gale Group
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great post dude, should be useful
thanks
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STamps will be illegal and postage will be purchased through a national ID.
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great post. this should help vendors our a shit ton
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lol, this same article has been posted at least four times
previously already. nice to see it stickied finally. always good to
bring the topic back up for anyone who was not aware at least, because
the information can be very beneficial.
dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=10.0
dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=4028
dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=7236
dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=17812
still, people should learn to use the search function
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http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=346.0
this is
also another very helpful thread in which a postal inspector
actually answers questions about the system and provides a valuable
perspective and insight into the inner working of inspections.
one
interesting point made was that letters basically bypass inspection
completely unless they already know to be on the lookout for said
letter. this may have changed with new electronic sniffers, but still
nice to know most of the scrutiny is focused elsewhere than my H notes
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The most prominent of those profiling parts are here:
DO NOT
overly tape your letters. A layer or two of proper packaging tape is
standard around the mailing system. Making your package into a tootsie
with so much tape is very suspect. Once around the end with glue is
normal, twice is normal as well since you can't really tell the
difference between one or two layers of packaging tape. But you can tell
the difference between 1 and 3-5 layers.
Person to person
mailing is another big one. If you can order those labels from the spam
mails, yakno the ones where they want to sell you 500 labels with
anything on it in any crazy cool design you want. Order these with a
company name on them, preferably something electronic sounding. Future
Tech, Inc. They will not take the time to search the business unless the
package emits an odor.
ODOR. If you can go outside, place your
package in your car in the summer heat, come back and your car smells,
EVEN A LITTLE, it is not packaged properly. Most postal facilities are
only cooled slightly more then the outside.
EDIT:
From my experience, these are actual identifiers that postal agents use to originally determine it's contents:
* Contains misspelled *cities*
* Originates from a drug source State
* Emits odors of marijuana or or a masking agent (e.g., coffee, perfume, fabric-softener sheets)
* Is heavily taped along seams
* Has an uneven weight distribution
* Lists sender's and/or receiver's names of common type (e.g., John Smith) that are not connected to either address
And these are for arguments sake in court:
* Is poorly prepared for mailing
* Appears to have been re-used
* Is handwritten
* Contains misspelled names, streets, or cities
* Has been sent from an individual to an individual
* Shows a fictitious return address
While
not always true, as having handled and knowing many people who have
handled packages for years, the first few are the ones that originally
raise suspicion. The others I would think are for arguments sake in
court. People always send stuff to other people. Not all packages are
perfect though it will help to use an official mailing box by the
service to help the package blend in. I sell stuff on eBay and always
reuse packaging and so do the people I buy things from. It is
commonplace. So are handwritten entries but most people who buy and sell
things on eBay usually buy blank labels and hand write on the labels
instead, it's more professional.
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While
not always true, as having handled and knowing many people who have
handled packages for years, the first few are the ones that originally
raise suspicion. The others I would think are for arguments sake in
court. People always send stuff to other people. Not all packages are
perfect though it will help to use an official mailing box by the
service to help the package blend in. I sell stuff on eBay and always
reuse packaging and so do the people I buy things from. It is
commonplace. So are handwritten entries but most people who buy and sell
things on eBay usually buy blank labels and hand write on the labels
instead, it's more professional.
You're
absolutely right about the eBay and individual to individual shipping.
This document was written in 1996, long before the internet boom and the
days of high volume parcels that individuals sell to each other online.
A lot of this information is good, but like all things, a lot can
change in 16 years, and much of this information should be reconsidered
based on that fact.
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what are the "drug source states"? this would help vendors out a lot. im surprised no one has bothered to ask this.
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I work for the U.S. Postal Service, in a mail sorting facility
First off at USPS they are going broke,They don't have nearly as many Postal Inspectors as one would think
I think in the state of florida they have a total of 5! for an entire state.
Also
just so you know, only Postal Inspectors and U.S. Customs can open U.S.
Mail ,Regular Postal Employees, Even Managers CANNOT OPEN OR
TAMPER WITH ANY MAIL OR PACKAGE DOING SO IS A FEDERAL CRIME AND YES THEY
TAKE THAT SHIT VERY SERIOUSLY. A couple of years ago at my facility
they caught an employee who stole a single Netflix DVD out of the mail,
Yes they arrested his ass,Fired him and charged him with a Federal
Offense for stealing one Netflix DVD.
Also another thing to remember the amount of mail USPS processes in just one day, Is more than UPS processes in an entire year.
I see poorly packed letters and padded envelopes all the time with pills in them. This is why good packaging is key
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Good stuff right here. This is why you always:
-Vac seal at least two times
-Use printed labels placed correctly! Don't just slap em on the package, put em on straight, look professional.
-Use a small business name/address.
-Put the correct weight so actually weigh out your packages, every time!
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Good stuff right here. This is why you always:
-Vac seal at least two times
-Use printed labels placed correctly! Don't just slap em on the package, put em on straight, look professional.
-Use a small business name/address.
-Put the correct weight so actually weigh out your packages, every time!
I
work for the U.S Postal Service , The first 3 aren't necessary. Even we
as Postal Emplyees are not allowed to open a letter,package or
anything. Example this happened 2 years ago, I was sorting a tray of
mail, I started smelling Weed and it was really strong, Told my
supervisor , He told his Supervisor. well guess what they did?
They handed the letter with the weed in it back to me and told me to
send it on its way, Now why did they do this several reasons No1 USPS is
a Government run Bureaucratic organization,And as both Supervisors
explained even if we did report to Postal Inspectors, This is no proof
it's the recipients No2 reason there was no way they could it was the
guys weed ,No3 my Bureaucratic Bosses don't want to stuck knee deep in
paper over a bag of week or a envelope full pills last but not least
Reason No4 At USPS it's a FEDERAL CRIME for ANY employee to open or
tamper with any mail. The USPS Employees who can do this are U.S. Postal
Inspectors
There only about maybe 200-300 for the entire country. As long as your not shipping pounds of weed or cocaine it's fine
-Put the correct weight so actually weigh out your packages, every time!
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Good stuff right here. This is why you always:
-Vac seal at least two times
-Use printed labels placed correctly! Don't just slap em on the package, put em on straight, look professional.
-Use a small business name/address.
-Put the correct weight so actually weigh out your packages, every time!
I
work for the U.S Postal Service , The first 3 aren't necessary. Even we
as Postal Emplyees are not allowed to open a letter,package or
anything. Example this happened 2 years ago, I was sorting a tray of
mail, I started smelling Weed and it was really strong, Told my
supervisor , He told his Supervisor. well guess what they did?
They handed the letter with the weed in it back to me and told me to
send it on its way, Now why did they do this several reasons No1 USPS is
a Government run Bureaucratic organization,And as both Supervisors
explained even if we did report to Postal Inspectors, This is no proof
it's the recipients No2 reason there was no way they could it was the
guys weed ,No3 my Bureaucratic Bosses don't want to stuck knee deep in
paper over a bag of week or a envelope full pills last but not least
Reason No4 At USPS it's a FEDERAL CRIME for ANY employee to open or
tamper with any mail. The USPS Employees who can do this are U.S. Postal
Inspectors
There only about maybe 200-300 for the entire country. As long as your not shipping pounds of weed or cocaine it's fine
-Put the correct weight so actually weigh out your packages, every time!
Thank
you for that ;) that put my paranoia at ease just a bit, but
obviously it wouldn't hurt to vac seal as from my understanding they
bring in the sniffer dogs at random times and you wouldn't want your
product to be naked. Have you ever actually been around when the dogs
come in? I'm just curious of the procedure, do the dogs just walk around
the packages or do they sniff only suspicious packages?
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Never once have I seen a drug dog and I have worked in 3 very large Mail processing facilities
something to remember a lot of Postal Workers get high,drunk ,do all kinds of drug, and a lot of them do it on the Job.
you average Postal doesn't give a fuck about what in your package. We have get packages through our facility all the time that
have
guns inside, Most gun dealers ship there guns through USPS, Even though
It's against USPS policy to not ship Firearms. Do you think upper
management gives a shit ? No there number priority is getting mail
processes and out for delivery 24 hours 365 Days per year. Process
facilities NEVER close on any holiday we processing mail every day of
the year. What I'm trying to say here is that We got so FUCKING MAIL
coming into our processing facilities all over the country, We just
don't have time or resources to worry about weed or pills in the mail..
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Never once have I seen a drug dog and I have worked in 3 very large Mail processing facilities
something to remember a lot of Postal Workers get high,drunk ,do all kinds of drug, and a lot of them do it on the Job.
you average Postal doesn't give a fuck about what in your package. We have get packages through our facility all the time that
have
guns inside, Most gun dealers ship there guns through USPS, Even though
It's against USPS policy to not ship Firearms. Do you think upper
management gives a shit ? No there number priority is getting mail
processes and out for delivery 24 hours 365 Days per year. Process
facilities NEVER close on any holiday we processing mail every day of
the year. What I'm trying to say here is that We got so FUCKING MAIL
coming into our processing facilities all over the country, We just
don't have time or resources to worry about weed or pills in the mail..
"USPS
We just don't give a fuck"
Haha
hell yeah that's awesome to hear, I remember when I first started I was
slapping small flate rate stamps on medium flat rate boxes and they
always went through and finally a month later I found out the price was
actually double the small flat rate. Sometimes I would get so paranoid
that I would imagine a usps employee in a processing center would look
at my packages and see the different return addresses and notice that
they look very similar but now I see you guys are just throwing the
boxes and thinking of pussy ;D.
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Yea sure some postal workers don't give a fuck but to paint postal workers in general with that brush is ridiculous.
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I worked at a sorting facility although it wasn't USPS and I can
tell you more than a majority of the people there don't care two shits
about your package, and if it rips, is crushed, or broken then that is
what insurance is for.
I have seen packages get totally
demolished and the only thing left was the address with the scan and
they scanned it and threw that in the crate.....
Everyone just wants to finish the sort ASAP.
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Yea sure some postal workers don't give a fuck but to paint postal workers in general with that brush is ridiculous.
Yeah
but even if they did give a fuck they can't do anything, this has been
established already. Only a postal inspector can do anything about a
person's package and even then it's a pain to get a hold of a postal
inspector, goddamn I love this country.
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but now I see you guys are just throwing the boxes and thinking of pussy ;D.
bahahahaha lmao
surprised comics like this haven't popped up on /b/ at 4chan yet...
[letter]
"when i get back home..."
[package]
"i'm going to..."
[package]
"stick my dick..."
[funny smelling package]
"in her mouth...."
[package with white powder leaking]
"pussy...."
[clear ziplock bag with pistol]
"and ass..."
[rocket launcher with stamp]
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Yeah this is why it's pissing me off when our 5 and 10 pack buyers
are like "i so didn't receive I think USPS snagged it or lost in
transit"...
It's funny how with our non SR customers we send no
track, no sig, no DCN, and it makes it every time been doing it for
years without any issues. Then we come on SR and we have some
people saying they're not receiving *palm to face*. Now everyone
has to pay for a DCN because of those people.
USPS No
track, no sig, no DCN = ALWAYS MAKES IT. Even if your address is
watched it will make it through every single time. If only there
were a way to make everyone understand this. I know people who
have put fully assembled guns in a flat rate with no DCN and it would
make it everytime lol.
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Excellent thread, very useful! Put me at east, at least..
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Hello, here are some more news to the ones in Germany - and a couple
of Schengen-applying countries nearby - who are still waiting for their
(small) parcel from outside the European community. Please see the new
thread here: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=21778.0
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Yea sure some postal workers don't give a fuck but to paint postal workers in general with that brush is ridiculous.
Yeah
but even if they did give a fuck they can't do anything, this has been
established already. Only a postal inspector can do anything about a
person's package and even then it's a pain to get a hold of a postal
inspector, goddamn I love this country.
This
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The question is though... can/does USPS pinpoint drop box locations connected to certain packages?
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The question is though... can/does USPS pinpoint drop box locations connected to certain packages?
No,
I work for USPS this doesn't happen. One thing to remember about USPS
it's a U.S. Government run organization which makes it very
bureaucratic. There not that organized .
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Hi,
So, what happens if a package gets returned to the bogus
address I used and the recipient opens it and decides to call the
police. Should I be worried they are going to go back and check
the time I mailed it and search for my face dropping it off?
Libby
P.S.
Anyone who may be using tampons to mail cocaine to their customers
really needs to read my post "Cocaine Found in Tampons, Police
Think Its a Large Operation"
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=22414.new#new
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Thank you for this post. Everyone should be required to read it.
Libby
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Really good post
Good shit from the posters also. Calms my nerves a bit. ;D
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Really the best way to ship is as below.
Double Vacumme seal powder or pills (powder vacumme seal flat)
For powder you can shuv 100-200g of product in an average looking envelope KEEP IT FLAT
Wrap your vacumme sealed product in paper
Put in the most average looking envelope (if it's powder) if it's pills... Get creative.
Send
with NO TRACK, NO SIG, FLAT RATE, SNAIL MAIL. If you're in the
U.S. I know packages from NL get to you in about 4-7days.
^You
have to trust your customer unfortunately, although over the 5 years
I've been doing this... I've never had one package siezed, or "lost in
transit" when shipped this way accept for all of a sudden once I get on
SR there are people saying they didn't receive... When I know they
did. Therefore, those idiots made me require DCN's for all SR
members making things less safe for the both of us and making my
reshippers have to walk into a fucking post office pisses me off...
Sorry, venting -_-
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Really the best way to ship is as below.
Double Vacumme seal powder or pills (powder vacumme seal flat)
For powder you can shuv 100-200g of product in an average looking envelope KEEP IT FLAT
Wrap your vacumme sealed product in paper
Put in the most average looking envelope (if it's powder) if it's pills... Get creative.
Send
with NO TRACK, NO SIG, FLAT RATE, SNAIL MAIL. If you're in the
U.S. I know packages from NL get to you in about 4-7days.
^You
have to trust your customer unfortunately, although over the 5 years
I've been doing this... I've never had one package siezed, or "lost in
transit" when shipped this way accept for all of a sudden once I get on
SR there are people saying they didn't receive... When I know they
did. Therefore, those idiots made me require DCN's for all SR
members making things less safe for the both of us and making my
reshippers have to walk into a fucking post office pisses me off...
Sorry, venting -_-
I'm
a Postal Employee and I can tell you that 99.9% of postal workers don't
give a fuck what's in your package or envelope. In fact even if they
thought something illegal was in your package, Under Federal Law Postal
workers CANNOT open or Tamper with your mail. Only a USPS Postal
Inspector can do that. For Domestic shipments DCN and even Express is
perfectly safe. You walk into Post Office pay cash they don't know who
you are.
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Great read!!
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Really the best way to ship is as below.
Double Vacumme seal powder or pills (powder vacumme seal flat)
For powder you can shuv 100-200g of product in an average looking envelope KEEP IT FLAT
Wrap your vacumme sealed product in paper
Put in the most average looking envelope (if it's powder) if it's pills... Get creative.
Send
with NO TRACK, NO SIG, FLAT RATE, SNAIL MAIL. If you're in the
U.S. I know packages from NL get to you in about 4-7days.
^You
have to trust your customer unfortunately, although over the 5 years
I've been doing this... I've never had one package siezed, or "lost in
transit" when shipped this way accept for all of a sudden once I get on
SR there are people saying they didn't receive... When I know they
did. Therefore, those idiots made me require DCN's for all SR
members making things less safe for the both of us and making my
reshippers have to walk into a fucking post office pisses me off...
Sorry, venting -_-
I'm
a Postal Employee and I can tell you that 99.9% of postal workers don't
give a fuck what's in your package or envelope. In fact even if they
thought something illegal was in your package, Under Federal Law Postal
workers CANNOT open or Tamper with your mail. Only a USPS Postal
Inspector can do that. For Domestic shipments DCN and even Express is
perfectly safe. You walk into Post Office pay cash they don't know who
you are.
Can they track down what drop box is used if with DCN or express?
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I'm
a Postal Employee and I can tell you that 99.9% of postal workers don't
give a fuck what's in your package or envelope. In fact even if they
thought something illegal was in your package, Under Federal Law Postal
workers CANNOT open or Tamper with your mail. Only a USPS Postal
Inspector can do that. For Domestic shipments DCN and even Express is
perfectly safe. You walk into Post Office pay cash they don't know who
you are.
Yes,
but postal workers can and do raise concerns about a package and bring
that package to the attention of a postal inspector.
To say that
postal workers other than inspectors can not fuck with or tamper with or
open mail is misleading and somewhat disingenuous. Handlers can
certainly alert postal inspectors, and they can certainly still fuck
with our lives. Postal inspectors aren't the first line of
screening. Handlers are.
It seems that an Express package is at higher suspicion at baseline. Express route is cited routinely as a flag.
A home-to-home Express package is at higher suspicion.
A cash-paid Express package is at higher suspicion.
A business-to-home Express package, or home-to-business Express package, is at higher suspicion.
A return-address-not-valid/accepting-address-incongruent package is at higher suspicion.
If
a vendor sent me anything by Express, I'd consider it the vendor
equivalent of malpractice at this point, unacceptable risk.
From
a shipper's perspective, hypothetically: If I "walk into Post
Office pay cash," they may not know who I am, but they have my picture.
Also,
I have had occasion in recent months to stand in line at the post
office frequently to go pick up mail, and I watch a lot of postal
customer behavior while bored. Gotta say: not a lot of cash transactions
going on these days for anything there. And this is the crowd that's
selected out as -not- using the kiosk, so they should be more prone to
cash-use.
Depending on your demographics, it may look a bit odd that a
given person is sending Express mail. People notice patterns in a job,
or even just standing in a line frequently. (I would LOVE to see the
data on counter-clerks' hit rates on profiling matched with inspectors'
hit rates.)
Here's who sends Express mail around here: Law offices. Government offices.
And
they don't go to the post office to do it, and they don't pay
cash. They use accounts. They also pick up from office, IIRC.
I see
the occasional grandparent/parent, fretting, trying to get something to a
stranded young 'un at college or boot camp. The clerk usually downsells
them to Priority.
But - anyone else is going to be a bit of a standout, at least around here. The ebayers all use priority flatrate.
So, as far as the statement that, "Express is perfectly safe," I don't believe that is true.
In
addition, I don't think anything is perfectly safe, but I also have
reason, based on the above, to think that Express is a higher-risk
shipping method than other methods.
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I'm
a Postal Employee and I can tell you that 99.9% of postal workers don't
give a fuck what's in your package or envelope. In fact even if they
thought something illegal was in your package, Under Federal Law Postal
workers CANNOT open or Tamper with your mail. Only a USPS Postal
Inspector can do that. For Domestic shipments DCN and even Express is
perfectly safe. You walk into Post Office pay cash they don't know who
you are.
Yes,
but postal workers can and do raise concerns about a package and bring
that package to the attention of a postal inspector.
To say that
postal workers other than inspectors can not fuck with or tamper with or
open mail is misleading and somewhat disingenuous. Handlers can
certainly alert postal inspectors, and they can certainly still fuck
with our lives. Postal inspectors aren't the first line of
screening. Handlers are.
It seems that an Express package is at higher suspicion at baseline. Express route is cited routinely as a flag.
A home-to-home Express package is at higher suspicion.
A cash-paid Express package is at higher suspicion.
A business-to-home Express package, or home-to-business Express package, is at higher suspicion.
A return-address-not-valid/accepting-address-incongruent package is at higher suspicion.
If
a vendor sent me anything by Express, I'd consider it the vendor
equivalent of malpractice at this point, unacceptable risk.
From
a shipper's perspective, hypothetically: If I "walk into Post
Office pay cash," they may not know who I am, but they have my picture.
Also,
I have had occasion in recent months to stand in line at the post
office frequently to go pick up mail, and I watch a lot of postal
customer behavior while bored. Gotta say: not a lot of cash transactions
going on these days for anything there. And this is the crowd that's
selected out as -not- using the kiosk, so they should be more prone to
cash-use.
Depending on your demographics, it may look a bit odd that a
given person is sending Express mail. People notice patterns in a job,
or even just standing in a line frequently. (I would LOVE to see the
data on counter-clerks' hit rates on profiling matched with inspectors'
hit rates.)
Here's who sends Express mail around here: Law offices. Government offices.
And
they don't go to the post office to do it, and they don't pay
cash. They use accounts. They also pick up from office, IIRC.
I see
the occasional grandparent/parent, fretting, trying to get something to a
stranded young 'un at college or boot camp. The clerk usually downsells
them to Priority.
But - anyone else is going to be a bit of a standout, at least around here. The ebayers all use priority flatrate.
So, as far as the statement that, "Express is perfectly safe," I don't believe that is true.
In
addition, I don't think anything is perfectly safe, but I also have
reason, based on the above, to think that Express is a higher-risk
shipping method than other methods.
This is truth, you want a job?
This
is why we ask our reshippers to send flat rate no track no sig for most
cases. At most we do DCN. Practicing this way has certainly
kept us in the clear for years.
Also please note that when you
guys look up packages on USPS don't use TOR, HLS has a background system
that sniffs out tor users by the proxies it's configured to use.
This will red flag your packages.
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Great thread! Thank you!
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Great thread! Thank you!
No
problem, thank you for taking the time to read it. I hope
everyone takes the time to study and re read this over and over again,
the more educated we are as a "whole" means the harder it is for LE to
infultrate our scene. I've noticed many vendors/buyers on here are
so wreckless with the way they operate. If anyone needs any help
on staying the safest feel free to PM me and ask or just ask here.
I'm sure me and many other experianced vendors can guide you in the
right way. I was in this scene far before SR was even thought of
I've seen vendors and buyers come and go. But I'm still here,
still kickin, still chillin 8)
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Great post. Learned a lot.
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Fantastic discussion, I wish that some of this could be put together in an FAQ or a page in the store.
What I mean is - if there are things that most seasoned vendors and postal employees can
agree on - then can this be gathered and disseminated in the store itself?
Buyers will not learn this if it is stuck on page 3 of some random post in a forum.
Finally .... what are the "Drug Source States" ????
Do they mean like, Afghanistan. Columbia and Burma ? or State as in California ?
Obviously I don't know what state the vendor is in. But still I am curious.
Thanks for the great info,
-Shagbard
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STamps will be illegal and postage will be purchased through a national ID.
the day a national id is handed out is the day people take up arms
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STamps will be illegal and postage will be purchased through a national ID.
the day a national id is handed out is the day people take up arms
^ So will "they" unfortunately :/
It's only a matter of time before most of the world is revolting against their own goverment. Syria is just the begining.
It would be great to have a freedom fighters forum for groupings and what not.
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Great thread. All vendors should see this article.
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WOW Great informative post...thanks guys..It be nice if all scam
buyers/ scam vendors would take time to read this..I was wondering why
one vendor told me he ship my letter never arrived he pointed the finger
at customs 10 pk to be exact but I m still receiving larger orders(20g
to 50g) to the same addy..what a scammer for 70 bucks what a joke..
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I feel that most of the statements here are pretty true.
USPS
gives a fuck, but the workers don't. The wages are increasing at about
half the rate of the price of goods so people are just wanting to zone
out til they get off and go their next job or they get off work and pop
some vicodin, drink a cpl beers and smoke their cigs because they'd
rather spend their money on that then one box of cereal, a gallon of
milk and the gas to get there.
This is true for all shipping
services. UPS pays more then the average place (but also has on-site
police for its worldport facility, it sorts all the USA mail from just
about everywhere, but mostly air mail is sniffed out by dogs) but even
so most UPS facilities work their employees to the bone. The only
employees that don't are considered lazy but really, they are doing it
right. The company doesn't care enough about them to hire more people to
meet the demand of higher sorting speeds, refuses to pay proper
maintenance costs on facilities due to rising costs and stock dividends,
yet the rich keep getting richer and the poor, poorer.
USPS + Priority/First Class = Win Win.
I
haven't seen a local drug dealer in months. Actually the guy I use to
buy from no longer sells because I stopped buying from him. He had other
customers but I was his biggest money maker apparently. He had been
buying this bud from his father for next to nothing but charging as if
it was shipping in from cali. I found out, went to the road and now he
had to get a second job and can't smoke anymore.
That's what
happens when people forget they are running a business and treat their
customers like money bags. Oh he got his, I heard a few other people had
slashed his tires, his apartment got robbed and he almost got stabbed.
Karma I suppose. The weed was good, don't get me wrong, but he was a lil
shit about it. He even sold weed to his step dad for more then he paid
for it, and he said he loves his step dad and can barely stand his real
dad.
Fucking local drug dealers...
Can't follow some of
the simplest ten crack commandments, Don't keep your stash at your place
and don't get high on your own supply because then you become a
stoned/cracked/pilled out peace of shit with a TRUE addiction problem.
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My friends boss had the same problem. He owns an HVACR business and
one of my friends would sell him adderall at 10 a pop, so he was paying
250 for 25 pills. He would sell those same pills to me for 3 a pop. My
other friend sold weed to him at 140 a quarter, I would sell the same
bud to him for 100 a quarter. I always felt bad that just because he had
more money people made him pay more money for the drugs he wanted. But
thats the way walmart works and a lot of other things in America. If you
live in a poorer town, your groceries at walmart are more expensive, if
you live in a upper middle class town your groceries are cheaper.
Americas ass backwards, but you gotta love it.
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Just a question. After reading through this thread (and others)
there seems to be a joint consensus that tracking a USPS DCN# using Tor
will have your package marked. If I hadn't used Tor to track until it
was already on it's delivery route, what would happen? I'm new
(obviously) and I purchased from a very reputable seller, so of course I
look like a scam artist when the package doesn't arrive, yet it says it
was delivered. On the other hand, even being a reputable dealer, I also
read about ways to send something to an address in my area code, so I
could be looking at a delivery to an address in my zip, when the item
wasn't even delivered at all. Possibly just watching a letter being
delivered somewhere in my area code, so it looks like the seller
did his job. I also see over and over again 99% of packages make it
through. I'm curious as to where that data comes from, because reading
through this forum, it seems it happens to a lot more than 1%..Anyway,
is my delivery a lost cause because I used TOR to look up the DCN#?
Should I be worried about contacting the post office? I just want the
tracking to say it wasn't delivered (since it sure as hell wasn't
delivered to me), so the vendor and I can work something out. Much love
to everyone who makes SR run...I'd rather give a decent guy my money
than add any more money into the pockets of pharmaceutical companies.
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Just
a question. After reading through this thread (and others) there seems
to be a joint consensus that tracking a USPS DCN# using Tor will have
your package marked. If I hadn't used Tor to track until it was already
on it's delivery route, what would happen? I'm new (obviously) and I
purchased from a very reputable seller, so of course I look like a scam
artist when the package doesn't arrive, yet it says it was delivered. On
the other hand, even being a reputable dealer, I also read about ways
to send something to an address in my area code, so I could be looking
at a delivery to an address in my zip, when the item wasn't even
delivered at all. Possibly just watching a letter being delivered
somewhere in my area code, so it looks like the seller did his
job. I also see over and over again 99% of packages make it through. I'm
curious as to where that data comes from, because reading through this
forum, it seems it happens to a lot more than 1%..Anyway, is my delivery
a lost cause because I used TOR to look up the DCN#? Should I be
worried about contacting the post office? I just want the tracking to
say it wasn't delivered (since it sure as hell wasn't delivered to me),
so the vendor and I can work something out. Much love to everyone who
makes SR run...I'd rather give a decent guy my money than add any more
money into the pockets of pharmaceutical companies.
I
remember reading somewhere that HLS has some sort of
program/application/whatever the fuck on the usps site.
Considering it's HLS this may only be active only on international
orders but still this is just pure speculation. I too have used
tor to look up DCN's and them make it through just fine although not
anymore because of the following.
I ordered alot of product from
china once (the fuckers forced tracking upon me usually anything
international I never ever use track or sig) I consistantly used TOR to
track it once a day everything was going fine then it got stuck in
customs.
Now the next day when I went to track it using TOR
something very strange happened, when I clicked the track button my
whole screen glitched and started running little lines all across my
screen extremely sketchy so I turned my computer off. I figured I
was just being paranoid and turned my beast back on to check a random
tracking number I found that some person posted online. I checked
it nothing like the lateral happened, so I decided to give my china
package another go.
Sure enough that same glitch shit
happened and completely froze my shit up I knew right away what was
going on. I called usps from a trap phone to track it via the
operator... I give the woman my track *longggg pauseeee* then she says
"uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh" "uhhhhhhhhh" "uhhhhhhh" just give it another
day or so what's your first and last name and address please?
Click. Fuck that shit. Ditch that shit.
Sure
enough HLS shows up at my receivers house everything was clean and the
name was fake he denied everything and they left it alone. What
puzzles me is they didn't even attempt to do a CD or anything.
*shrugs shoulders* I lost 10k though :(
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Great article, looks like for the most part we're a few steps ahead
of them with delivery methods. Anyone up for training an elite group of
courier pigeons?
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Awsome info!
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Yeah
this is why it's pissing me off when our 5 and 10 pack buyers are like
"i so didn't receive I think USPS snagged it or lost in transit"...
It's
funny how with our non SR customers we send no track, no sig, no DCN,
and it makes it every time been doing it for years without any
issues. Then we come on SR and we have some people saying they're
not receiving *palm to face*. Now everyone has to pay for a DCN
because of those people.
USPS No track, no sig, no DCN =
ALWAYS MAKES IT. Even if your address is watched it will make it
through every single time. If only there were a way to make
everyone understand this. I know people who have put fully
assembled guns in a flat rate with no DCN and it would make it everytime
lol.
I am an SR customer. Bitching cuz you hafta put DCN on your packages.??.. How bought this for some rules to ship by:
1.
Ship when you say you are going to. By that I mean don't tell me
its in transit when it will be 3 -4 days till you get it out, and try to
blame slow mail service.
2. when you get paid for priority , ship priority.
3. For god's sake ship the right product and the right amount.
I
may have paid for a pitiful 10 pills, does that mean that what I am
doing is not as risky to me as anyone else. I mean I have gotten
scammed on 3 orders of fakes and shorted twice, and I have been a member
for 9 months, Seriously? Yeah with my address being the
only true address exposed, to another party in this. I want to
know when It is shipped, and when to expect it. True maybe the
post office is oblivious, it doesn't lesson the stress of getting drugs
in the mail, and then trying to hide them from my husband so I can have
some days in my life that are painfree!!
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cool info! ;)
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Anyone have a list of the "drug source states" yet?
Though
from the posts I just read, it doesn't sound like USPS workers will give
a shit if a package that reeks of weed or is spilling powder all over
is from California or Missouri; they'll just send it on its way either
way hahaha. Certainly puts me more at ease. Thanks for this thread and
your responses, everyone.
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Thank you so much for this information. This is my first post, and I
just want to say the information throughout this thread is highly
informative and much appreciated.
Cheers, all.
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Good stuff right here. This is why you always:
-Vac seal at least two times
-Use printed labels placed correctly! Don't just slap em on the package, put em on straight, look professional.
-Use a small business name/address.
-Put the correct weight so actually weigh out your packages, every time!
I
work for the U.S Postal Service , The first 3 aren't necessary. Even we
as Postal Emplyees are not allowed to open a letter,package or
anything. Example this happened 2 years ago, I was sorting a tray of
mail, I started smelling Weed and it was really strong, Told my
supervisor , He told his Supervisor. well guess what they did?
They handed the letter with the weed in it back to me and told me to
send it on its way, Now why did they do this several reasons No1 USPS is
a Government run Bureaucratic organization,And as both Supervisors
explained even if we did report to Postal Inspectors, This is no proof
it's the recipients No2 reason there was no way they could it was the
guys weed ,No3 my Bureaucratic Bosses don't want to stuck knee deep in
paper over a bag of week or a envelope full pills last but not least
Reason No4 At USPS it's a FEDERAL CRIME for ANY employee to open or
tamper with any mail. The USPS Employees who can do this are U.S. Postal
Inspectors
There only about maybe 200-300 for the entire country. As long as your not shipping pounds of weed or cocaine it's fine
-Put the correct weight so actually weigh out your packages, every time!
what about letters from the netherlands ? are they already flagged ?
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Thank you for the info I am looking to start a trading on SR
very soon and want to offer inter. shipping I have been doing some
research, and find this very helpful.
Kind regards
RP
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+1 karma for domina
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+1 karma for domina
<3
Honestly if everyone could be honest everyone could be almost 100%
bullet proof by doing no sort of tracking and no signature. DCN's
still can encounter problems if you're getting them correctly.
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Good info, thanks for sharing. Which is safest, USPS, UPS, or FedEx?
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Good info, thanks for sharing. Which is safest, USPS, UPS, or FedEx?
You NEVER use UPS or FEDeX.
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Never once have I seen a drug dog and I have worked in 3 very large Mail processing facilities
something to remember a lot of Postal Workers get high,drunk ,do all kinds of drug, and a lot of them do it on the Job.
you average Postal doesn't give a fuck about what in your package. We have get packages through our facility all the time that
have
guns inside, Most gun dealers ship there guns through USPS, Even though
It's against USPS policy to not ship Firearms. Do you think upper
management gives a shit ? No there number priority is getting mail
processes and out for delivery 24 hours 365 Days per year. Process
facilities NEVER close on any holiday we processing mail every day of
the year. What I'm trying to say here is that We got so FUCKING MAIL
coming into our processing facilities all over the country, We just
don't have time or resources to worry about weed or pills in the mail..
"USPS
We just don't give a fuck"
Haha
hell yeah that's awesome to hear, I remember when I first started I was
slapping small flate rate stamps on medium flat rate boxes and they
always went through and finally a month later I found out the price was
actually double the small flat rate. Sometimes I would get so paranoid
that I would imagine a usps employee in a processing center would look
at my packages and see the different return addresses and notice that
they look very similar but now I see you guys are just throwing the
boxes and thinking of pussy ;D.
Small
metro, and small town postal facilities will be your downfall if you
are not careful, and professional in your vendor operations.
(word from experience)...DON'T EVER TAKE SHORT CUTS.
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Can you drop a bubble mailer (1st class mail w/ DCN) into one of the
blue USPS boxes or do you have to drop it off inside the post office?
If you drop a priority mail package into one of the blue USPS boxes will
it be shipped priority or will it be delayed?
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So what do we do about return addresses? Should you use a real
address? This could be interesting if mail got returned to
them. If i use "High Tech Inc" with a real return address but a
fake suite number (if they end at 205 i put 206) is that legit?
That way the city/state/zip and address all are real but the suite is
not.
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Long time lurker, new poster
There is no reason to have
return address's on the package, except that without it people will look
twice. Have been shipping pills for over a decade, the best approach is
using the best packaging you an get, and drop returns. Legitimate, home
address's are always less liable to receive extra attention versus
apartments. Even better is high volume tech type companies, using drop
shippers in areas where large amounts of traffic is assumed, and mylar/
antimagnetic/xray resistant etc., packaging.
This of course means
you will need a bit more business then the normal "tailgate" special
dealer. Regardless, stay smart, think ahead and remember, there is
always a way to intelligently avoid the sharks regardless which ocean
they swim in.
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I am a new shipper and I am trying to send 2 ounces across the US
was looking for some ideas on what might be the best provider to use,
what to ship it in, what to do for the return address, etc.
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Well, From what I understand, the BOX gets opened several times a
day of which the schedule is displayed on the box. My
following question is, what is the best shipping practice for sending 50
packages a day anonymously?
I'd love to print the postage and
tape that right onto the box, but getting an anonymous postage account
is somewhat a debacle seeing how you need a credit card within the same
shipping zone so as to not raise a red flag.
Can someone share their shipping practices if they are using printable postage labels?
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Long time lurker, new poster
There
is no reason to have return address's on the package, except that
without it people will look twice. Have been shipping pills for over a
decade, the best approach is using the best packaging you an get, and
drop returns. Legitimate, home address's are always less liable to
receive extra attention versus apartments. Even better is high volume
tech type companies, using drop shippers in areas where large amounts of
traffic is assumed, and mylar/ antimagnetic/xray resistant etc.,
packaging.
This of course means you will need a bit more business
then the normal "tailgate" special dealer. Regardless, stay smart, think
ahead and remember, there is always a way to intelligently avoid the
sharks regardless which ocean they swim in.
the dyshield antimagnetic ("grey" bags) are X-ray resistant? which material can I use to apply X-ray resistance?
>sorry, bad english here :o
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Lead is the only thing that will block x-ray's completely.
Great thread!
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Very insightful :) a great read, lots of points here, glad i read it.
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Thanks everyone, great thread !!!
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good information
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thanks a lot !
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so im thinking about starting to sell some "baked" goods on sr and
for packaging i figured i would put the goods in a small box if its a
single order and put that box in a zip lock or vacuum seal it then put
it into a bigger USPS box and put crumpled up paper around the smaller
box to provide cushion and to keep the package from having uneven weight
distribution then put a layer of hot glue on the inside of the flaps
and tape it up with 2 layers of tape and get printed labels.
would
this work good i just want to be careful and i live in a small town in
the Midwest and i don't even know if we have any package drop offs for
USPS ik we have ups but from what i heard im sticking to USPS i think
you have to take it to the counter should i just get a bunch of orders
ready and take them to a larger city (about a half an hr away) and drop
them off like every Monday or something?
and also i was wondering
about the names and addresses to you think it would be smart for
example to put (KILROYS-Ebay) as the senders name or something like that
to look less suspicious. also should i put random address for return or
should i put the same address all the time like an abandoned farm house
ik about.
i think that's all for now and if you have any other advice it would be greatly appreciated.
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Subscribing to thread
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Subscribing to thread
a good choice. safety first.
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awesome thanks
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So
what do we do about return addresses? Should you use a real
address? This could be interesting if mail got returned to
them. If i use "High Tech Inc" with a real return address but a
fake suite number (if they end at 205 i put 206) is that legit?
That way the city/state/zip and address all are real but the suite is
not.
That's
my question, as a newb buyer. People talk about LE compromising or
faking vendors as being the big fear, but if a vendor uses the same
return address every time, doesn't LE just have to make single purchases
from a bunch of vendors and then flag everything outgoing from those
addresses from that point on? Not incidentally catching a ton of buyers.
Excellent info. Hoping the rise of ebay will have made door-to-door packages less of a thing.
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Most vendors use valid address's that are not there personal
address. Just random but real address so that shouldn't be a problem.
Very informative thread great read.
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There's a show called "To Catch a Smuggler" produced by the National
Geographic Channel, I've watched it on YouTube, and on one of the
episodes, they were filming how they find drug packages at JFK airport.
They found a package of heroin, and they realised that the person used a
real name as that name was already flagged from another address/drug
shipment and they setup a controlled delivery (CD). The officers were in
disbelief that the receiver was STUPID enough to use their real name
and had a good laugh.
If you haven't watched the show, do yourself a favor and watch it, there's a lot to learn straight from the source.
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There's
a show called "To Catch a Smuggler" produced by the National Geographic
Channel, I've watched it on YouTube, and on one of the episodes, they
were filming how they find drug packages at JFK airport. They found a
package of heroin, and they realised that the person used a real name as
that name was already flagged from another address/drug shipment and
they setup a controlled delivery (CD). The officers were in disbelief
that the receiver was STUPID enough to use their real name and had a
good laugh.
If you haven't watched the show, do yourself a favor and watch it, there's a lot to learn straight from the source.
I'll watch the show, thanks bro
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google USPS authorities intercept Tinley-bound pot package
there
are loads of stories like this on the internet, this one is nice in the
fact that it describes why the package was flagged (numerous reasons),
how they contacted the person, and the outcome. seems like the vacuum
seal didn't work so well...
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I had a buddy about 2 years ago going through the mail not using SR
and he said his guess was the delivery guy picked up to what was getting
delivered to his house. Apparently the postman waited until the
heaviest package he's seen to the address, 5 lbs, was sent, and went to
deliver the package, flashed an ID of some sort, my buddy denied the
package, and the postman went on with his day, were guessing taking the
kb for himself. No legal action was taken what-so-ever. Anyone heard of
anything of the sort?
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If you are going to have product in the vehicle place it in a
priority mail package with stamps/address on it. Wouldn't they need a
search warrant to open it if stopped/searched? You might still have a
dog problem but at least you up the odds.
Thoughts?
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subscribing
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The only thing that stumps me about this controlled delivery thing
is that I thought legally, once law enforcement officers of any kind
have obtained an illegal drug, they are not aloud to hand it back to the
public. Like for example, I've heard that say an undercover narc is
hanging out with people smoking weed, if the narc is handed the joint
"legally" he cannot hand it back to anybody?
Maybe this is just a myth? Idk, just putting that out there.
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If
you are going to have product in the vehicle place it in a priority
mail package with stamps/address on it. Wouldn't they need a search
warrant to open it if stopped/searched? You might still have a dog
problem but at least you up the odds.
Thoughts?
Even
if you had a dog problem or not the question now becomes "if they need a
warrant, do they now need a federal warrant as opposed to a state
warrant since mail is under federal jurisdiction in USA?
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The
only thing that stumps me about this controlled delivery thing is that I
thought legally, once law enforcement officers of any kind have
obtained an illegal drug, they are not aloud to hand it back to the
public. Like for example, I've heard that say an undercover narc is
hanging out with people smoking weed, if the narc is handed the joint
"legally" he cannot hand it back to anybody?
Maybe this is just a myth? Idk, just putting that out there.
Pretty
sure thats a myth. I know for sure informants can use drugs for months
at a time if he's involved in an ongoing investigation to get as much
info as they need before they pounce.
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The
only thing that stumps me about this controlled delivery thing is that I
thought legally, once law enforcement officers of any kind have
obtained an illegal drug, they are not aloud to hand it back to the
public. Like for example, I've heard that say an undercover narc is
hanging out with people smoking weed, if the narc is handed the joint
"legally" he cannot hand it back to anybody?
Maybe this is just a myth? Idk, just putting that out there.
Don't
be fooled.....Most informants AREN'T LEO - most informants are
"friends" who've been busted - and in an attempt to avoid jail - agree
to provide LE with the info they need to bust you. An informant will get
high with you and pass the drugs to anybody. It's really rare that an
actual LEO 'infiltrates' a drug ring......that's movie shit........every
drug dealer should live by 3 basic rules:
1)Every stranger is the police (i.e. don't sell to who you don't know)
2)Every phone is tapped (i.e. don't talk about illegal stuff on the phone)
3)Never keep your product & money & weapons in the same spot. (i.e. spread that shit out)
all
other rules to the drug trade can be added accordingly - but these 3
basic things will keep you out of jail longer than the average
dummy. :) :)
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Side note to all this info - when I joined SR as a buyer a year ago I
had a seller just sticking DCN#'s on shipments and they clearly were
not scanned at the post office (seller provided them when you ordered)
no info was ever available. The seller delivered two orders in 2 months
to me and - POW - they never listed or came out of stealth mode again
That's
rolling the dice with the buyers, to me it is way uncool, doing a
stamped up and phony DCN# using a blue box drop - and
employing the run & gun shipment method... cripes
I bet that assclown's next stop was BMR
ce
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Good thread. Thank You!
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Another good sticky! Thank you OP and Mods!
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usps held one of my letters a few weeks back. i live in a small town
and heard through the grape vine how my mailman smelled it out and they
decided to hold the letter. luckily it was only half a gram of
marijuana so the only thing that came of it was me being told not to do
it again. i have since had several successful shipments i am not really
worried as long as the vendors are using proper stealth techniques.
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usps
held one of my letters a few weeks back. i live in a small town and
heard through the grape vine how my mailman smelled it out and they
decided to hold the letter. luckily it was only half a gram of marijuana
so the only thing that came of it was me being told not to do it again.
i have since had several successful shipments i am not really worried
as long as the vendors are using proper stealth techniques.
Just
as a precaution i would let the address cool down for a bit and try
using a different address for shipments. Better to be safe then
sorry. It is posible that they could monitor some of your
shipments but wait a while before actually making something of it. this
could be to colect info to see if you are just a user getting personal
stuff or are a bigger player and worth their time.
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If any vendors read this, please make up a fake business that you
are sending from, and never handwrite your addresses!! stickers with the
return addy of a professional looking business are the most legit. and
dont just send the drugs!! put papers, and maybe even something else.
for instance, if you are posing as a tech company, maybe wrap up some
old junk chips or circuit boards for larger amounts. I think these steps
would drastically improve safety..
I am very skilled at creating
very believable corporate looking logos and business names on Adobe
Illustrator and Photoshop and will create one for you to use for a tiny
fee of BTC or samples of your wares, if any vendors are interested. I
can send you a template with the design and you can just print them on
stickers so you can ship quickly :) PM me if interested
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Thanks much for the interesting read. Fascinating and seemingly very
helpful information. Don't leave home without it! Subscribing.
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For anyone who missed it, a USPS postal worker left a thoughtful
read on the newbie forum, earning him +18 karma on his first post. A
must read:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=165838.0
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FUCK i fit all of the labeling criteria.. :-[
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FUCK i fit all of the labeling criteria.. :-[
Then you shouldn't be a vendor
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FUCK i fit all of the labeling criteria.. :-[
In
all truth fella, after having read your posts and also considering your
product/price, you should seriously consider shutting down shop for a
bit and do some serious research into the business you are entering
into ;)
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Hey,
I recently sent out a package and after it was very late
I looked up the tracking number and noticed that it hadn't gone
anywhere since I mailed it. It says its still at the p.o.
sorting. Any idea what could be going on?
I dont know what to
think about that except that maybe it got stuck in the machine or
something and so they put it aside or lost it. Its either that or
they are watching me specifically right?
Libby
p.s.
I dont
go into p.o. i drop them off in the box there. They actually can
give you tracking numbers for us to stick on there ourselves now that
they are free. (flat rate priority)
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Well,
From what I understand, the BOX gets opened several times a day of
which the schedule is displayed on the box. My following
question is, what is the best shipping practice for sending 50 packages a
day anonymously?
I'd love to print the postage and tape that
right onto the box, but getting an anonymous postage account is somewhat
a debacle seeing how you need a credit card within the same shipping
zone so as to not raise a red flag.
Can someone share their shipping practices if they are using printable postage labels?
You
dont need to open an account with post office (actually recommend NOT
do this) but you can print your own labels from your printer and then
drop ship with pre-paid postage.
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Just
a question. After reading through this thread (and others) there seems
to be a joint consensus that tracking a USPS DCN# using Tor will have
your package marked. If I hadn't used Tor to track until it was already
on it's delivery route, what would happen? I'm new (obviously) and I
purchased from a very reputable seller, so of course I look like a scam
artist when the package doesn't arrive, yet it says it was delivered. On
the other hand, even being a reputable dealer, I also read about ways
to send something to an address in my area code, so I could be looking
at a delivery to an address in my zip, when the item wasn't even
delivered at all. Possibly just watching a letter being delivered
somewhere in my area code, so it looks like the seller did his
job. I also see over and over again 99% of packages make it through. I'm
curious as to where that data comes from, because reading through this
forum, it seems it happens to a lot more than 1%..Anyway, is my delivery
a lost cause because I used TOR to look up the DCN#? Should I be
worried about contacting the post office? I just want the tracking to
say it wasn't delivered (since it sure as hell wasn't delivered to me),
so the vendor and I can work something out. Much love to everyone who
makes SR run...I'd rather give a decent guy my money than add any more
money into the pockets of pharmaceutical companies.
I
remember reading somewhere that HLS has some sort of
program/application/whatever the fuck on the usps site.
Considering it's HLS this may only be active only on international
orders but still this is just pure speculation. I too have used
tor to look up DCN's and them make it through just fine although not
anymore because of the following.
I ordered alot of product from
china once (the fuckers forced tracking upon me usually anything
international I never ever use track or sig) I consistantly used TOR to
track it once a day everything was going fine then it got stuck in
customs.
Now the next day when I went to track it using TOR
something very strange happened, when I clicked the track button my
whole screen glitched and started running little lines all across my
screen extremely sketchy so I turned my computer off. I figured I
was just being paranoid and turned my beast back on to check a random
tracking number I found that some person posted online. I checked
it nothing like the lateral happened, so I decided to give my china
package another go.
Sure enough that same glitch shit
happened and completely froze my shit up I knew right away what was
going on. I called usps from a trap phone to track it via the
operator... I give the woman my track *longggg pauseeee* then she says
"uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh" "uhhhhhhhhh" "uhhhhhhh" just give it another
day or so what's your first and last name and address please?
Click. Fuck that shit. Ditch that shit.
Sure
enough HLS shows up at my receivers house everything was clean and the
name was fake he denied everything and they left it alone. What
puzzles me is they didn't even attempt to do a CD or anything.
*shrugs shoulders* I lost 10k though :(
DO NOT USE TOR TO LOOK UP TRACKING NUMBERS! BIG NO NO!
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Inside,
officers apprehended a hard core gang member who had relocated from
southern California and established gun- and drug-running operations in
the city.
Moral: Don't be from SoCal or a hard core gang member.
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FUCK i fit all of the labeling criteria.. :-[
In
all truth fella, after having read your posts and also considering your
product/price, you should seriously consider shutting down shop for a
bit and do some serious research into the business you are entering
into ;)
LOL
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Hey,
I
recently sent out a package and after it was very late I looked up the
tracking number and noticed that it hadn't gone anywhere since I mailed
it. It says its still at the p.o. sorting. Any idea what
could be going on?
I dont know what to think about that except that
maybe it got stuck in the machine or something and so they put it aside
or lost it. Its either that or they are watching me specifically
right?
Libby
p.s.
I dont go into p.o. i drop them off in
the box there. They actually can give you tracking numbers for us
to stick on there ourselves now that they are free. (flat rate priority)
nevermind. it finally arrived today YEAH!
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Great post thanks!