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Discussion => Off topic => Topic started by: gestaltassault2 on January 14, 2013, 04:41 am
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What chemicals and reactions would one need to remove the double bonded oxygen in methylone and replace it with 2 hydrogens to get MDMA?
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amazing question!
i wonder if this is possible :o
would change the whole god damn game ill tell you that much.
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Wolff–Kishner reduction, harsh conditions and shitty yields. This is one area that needs serious research.
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Yeah what he said...
This is about all I found on clearnet on the subject:
methylone + sodium borohydride in MeOH --> 50:50 mixture of
3,4-MD-pseudoephedrine and 3,4-MD-ephedrine
Wolff-Kishner (hydrazine, KOH) or Clemmenson (Zn, Hg, H+) of racemic methylone --> racemic MDMA
Neither 3,4-MD-pseudoephedrine nor 3,4-MD-ephedrine would be expected to exhibit much activity. Also, I have heard that the Clemmenson is a no-go for aminoketones.
Doesn't sound like much fun.
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I have just been reading about Methylone, hadnt heard much about it till now. I found this report by someone who gives a great description of what Methylone is like.
After reading it i'll be giving it a try. My favorite drugs have always been mdma and cocaine, but since coke is lacking consistency, i've found 5-meo-mipt is an amazing substitute, and i think i prefer it to cocaine, at least you wont get coke dick with 5-meo. ;) So will see what the Methylone is like in the not too distant future....heres the story..if its been pasted here before then please let me know and i'll delete it.
***Methylone and me***
I believe myself to be one of the people in the world with the biggest “Methylone experience bank”.
Not only have I records of my own experiences, I have made it a lifestyle to gather information about others as well.
My first time
It is more than 2 years ago I tried it the first time, 31/6-05, I only ingested a dose at 150mg of 99,5% pure yellowish Methylon powder. That was the start of a whole new period in my life, from the first second of effect I knew that this drug had entered my life to stay.
I had tried all types of different mushrooms, amphetamine, 2c-B and 2c-I in small and in big doses but this was the first time I ever felt real euphoria, felt real alive. It was one of the biggest events of my life, and one that should change my life.
I was on a festival with my best friends, it was the second day, and I took out this package that a friend had send me, the others where quite exited, though a little afraid, what was this RC thing? Was it dangerous?
I remember it like was it yesterday, like this little kid getting the biggest present of his life, I opened it, it smelled weird, but still fantastic, like liquorice. I did not want my friends to try it before I was sure it was safe, so the others smoked some hash instead, while watching over me.
After ingesting it I waited, I was so exited, from what I had heard this drug should be fantastic, and after 20 min., I felt it, it WAS fantastic. The euphoria hit me like a truck, I was so overwhelmed by love that I had to say it to all my friends, and right about everyone I saw, the friends laughing because of the hash but still letting me know they felt the same.
One thing I remember especially well was about 1 and a half hour into the trip I wanted to make some hot chocolate, this going well until the water was boiling and I wanted to pour it in a cup, pouring it all over my hand instead making me drop the casserole and looking at my hand, it felt FANTASTIC, my hand was all red and burned but it really felt fantastic (Do not try this a home, it could be dangerous). It wasn’t until the day after I really could feel how burned it was, and then it hurt.
Became my life, my work
Anyway, that was the start of my life with methylone, pretty fast after that, it became a big part of my life. I almost stopped drinking and taking other drugs, every time I went to a party I took methylone, right about every weekend in big periods from then to now, sometimes taking a few weeks off, but almost every weekend. Sometimes telling myself that it was my job to test this drug, using that as an excuse.
The reasons I thought it was my job to test it; was that I gave it to my friends, and I even began selling this drug to people pretty fast (this not being a problem since its legal where I am from).
And people loved it, not only me, but everyone, this only making me like it more. But that also made my feeling of responsibility grow, or was it just a bad excuse?
At first I really thought it was a feeling of responsibility, but as my addiction kept growing and the use got bigger and bigger the feeling of something wrong kept coming, but I always pushed it away with the talk about “How could this be worse than others drinking every weekend?” or “Well, it’s the drug I have tried with the best hangovers!” or “I cannot sell it if I don’t even want to take it myself?”
I never felt bad about selling it, or giving it to my friends, I loved to feel their love when they used it, and I love to see people on methylone for the first time, the happy feeling, the almost overwhelming love they feel.
The uppers and the downers
One of the magic’s about this drug is that you can take it 3 days in a row, without upping your dose.
That is indeed a dangerous feed. That means that I could actually party Thursday, Friday, Saturday without feeling too bombed in school on Monday. And in the start I could even make homework Sunday. But as time went on, and I took it more and more, at some point I began to have the feeling of nothingness afterwards. Feeling of NOT wanting to do ANYTHING other than watch movies and sleep. This feeling would most often leave after a day or 2.
Another magic is that you can keep redosing for hours.
I could always redose in the start, actually I could always redose until lately, for 2 whole years of hardcore use I could redose as much and almost as long as I wanted to (bout 12 hours straight) and almost keep the same effect all the way trough.
There’s almost no tolerance build.
For 2 whole years I took it almost every weekend, often more than one day, and the dose only raised from 150mg to 250mg and I felt almost the same euphoria everytime.
But a few weeks ago, the tolerance finally hit me! I took the same amount as I always did, and nothing happened, after about 40min. I took the same dose again and almost nothing happened. I thought that this was just a onetime thing, and so I tried the week after, exactly the same happened, and the next week after again, I had at last felt the tolerance. Now I have to take about 500mg to really gain effect, and that’s not something I want, so I have stopped, but that’s a lot harder than I thought it would be, now I even want it in the working days, before I could wait for the weekend. I miss it.
The worst thing about methylone is the Amphetamin and MDMA like side effects.
Those being jaw tension, increased perspiration, loss of appetite, and a total kill of one's whole mouth.
Another bad thing is; the sometimes MDMA light like side effect of depression. It’s nothing like the depression I could get from MDMA, and in the start it wasn’t even there, but later on, after heavy use it sometimes came.
And of course “methylone brain” this being the state of mind where you cannot remember what you where just talking about, or wanting to say something while someone else talks and then forget about it when its your turn.
The experiences
On of my own favourite quotes would be; “You haven't tried something before you have tried it on methylone!” and I really lived by this quote sometimes, trying right about everything on methylon:
Masturbating (very nice, but hard to come),
Sex (very good, I can go on for hours, but again, hard to come),
Work (makes work fun, but concentration can be a problem),
Sleep (that’s hard? :S),
Tivoli (big Danish theme park, one of the best days of my life),
Swimming hall (this felt fantastic, especially the Jacuzzi),
Cinema (felt like commenting everything, hard to shut up),
Funny/sad/action/girl/scary movie at home (same as with cinema),
Driving (felt clear headed, but this was a bad idea!),
Playing games (Especially trivial pursuit is really fun on methylone, but games generally is),
Festival (2 years in a row, both times was fantastic),
All sorts of parties (my all-time favourite drug for partying),
Scoring (When I am on methylone I think I can score any girl, and that actually often works!)
Oral Use:
My all-time favourite administration route, this being easy (capsules) and gives a good long effect.
Nasal Use:
Tested it a lot of times, but never really liked it, the dose seems the same as oral dose which is a lot to snort, and if you do it wrong, and you can taste it, you can sometimes taste it for hours.
Rectal Use:
I have tested this 2 times, and it actually felt fantastic, I felt the effects much faster and much more intense than normally, and it worked for almost the same amount of time as oral dose.
Mixes
My all-time favourite methylone mix is methylone and keta; this giving the ultimate party trip and even the possibility of a very deep self exploring trip.
Some other things I like to mix with methylone is, coke (should always be taken AFTER methylone) alcohol (can give BAD hangovers), ghb, lsd, shrooms and 2c-x. Actually, if you ask me, methylone can make almost any other trip better.
My experience
Since I first took methylone I have tried a whole lot more, 2c-E, 2c-C, Coke, Ketamine, LSD, 5-meo-dipt, DOI, MDMA, Butylone, Salvia, GHB, Staying awake on Zolpidem (that’s fucking weird?) and properly some more, but none has even come close to follow methylone, at least not for me.
Everything has an end, even the best.
No matter how much I have always protested against this, I will have to admit that methylone has addiction potential. I guess everything good has?
Anyway now that I have stopped I can see how much I miss it when it isn’t there. But I really had to stop, I can’t live my life on drugs.
Altogether I think that this drug made me a better person, and I actually believed that I got a lot more out of it, than I lost, but how can I tell where I would be today without it? I hope at least some of you can use this for something,
Love and methylone,
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Thanks J man, sounds great!... now can you find us a Vendor? :)
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niceeee
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Thanks J man, sounds great!... now can you find us a Vendor? :)
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/ea256f2cb6-m0rpheu5
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/item/0d74071a65-Operation Shulgin
If anyone buys from these vendors or anyone else please post results. ;)
Main search page. http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/search_results/methylone+/
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I should receive a shipment from OS (operation shulgin) in a few days. I can say his communication is very good, response time is quite quick (though I waited once for about 12 hours), but nobody can be online all the time. Also, I had to FE but that's because it was my first purchase on SR. According to him, he shipped before I FE, but didn't tell me, so this is very positive thing.
Will inform you about the quality when I test, meanwhile here is his review thread (not a lot of life in it) and a new Methylone review thread I made due to lack of any good thread:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=33335.msg379813#msg379813 <-- OS review thread
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=120007.0 <---- Methylone / M1 / bk-MDMA review thread
EDIT: The above links from jnemonic dont work ,here are corrected ones:
Operation Shulgin: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/567f71e9ab
m0rpheu5: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/ea256f2cb6
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Eeek, sorry my links didnt work...wtf happened there, i dont know. :P
Looking forward to hearing how you went, flew, whatever. ;D
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Thanks for putting up the links, I will watch this space for the 'test results'!
OR... danjohnken, are you going to post comments here mate, or in the new thread you have made? Whatever, either way, I will keep an eye out for some news.
Very interesting thing this methylone, I hadn't heard of it until your post jnemonic... ahhh its good to be amongst like minded people ;D
Thanks all on here for your contributions to date, I am looking forward to learning some more.
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Here is what I posted in methylone review thread:
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Shipment arrived in 7 working days, but I contribute that to bad weather (a lot of snow storms), so I assume in normal conditions it should be around 4-5 days within EU. Weight was 6 grams, as promised, and also shipping was free.
Quality is very good, I received only crystals so I can say 100% that it wasn't cut. At first I prepared a 150mg snorting line, and snorted about 60mg, but I was dumm and didn't crush the crystals thoroughly, so got a bit of nose bleed. So I ate the remaining 90mg. The stuff I snorted didn't hit me a lot, but I spit some of it out, it was fucking hard to swallow because it was mixed with blood. Then after an hour or so the stuff I ate started to kick in and I felt it pretty good. Also, the Methylone had bitter taste (which is good of course). Also I have to say I was outside at the time and temperatures were pretty low (2-5 celsium), and after 1.5 hours I ate another 60mg. Why I'm saying that it was cold is because on synthetic drugs, low temperatures usually reduce your trip. Then I went for a long walk with a buddy and went to grab a beer even (all this lasted around 2-3 hours). Then I have finally came inside and when in a hot place, my high started to return quickly (this was about 3 hours after I ate the last dose). Then after an hour in warm place I snorted another 40mg line and this time (notice, I snorted!) it hit me pretty good contrary to the first line I snorted.
So all together I had about 250mg and a friend of mine had about 180mg but it hit him much more than myself (considering the dose).
I will definitely buy again.
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Check my listings for methylone :)
50g for 300$ :)
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I would love to....thought SR would have been back on by now...
Will check tomorrow. ;)
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My favorite drugs have always been mdma and cocaine, but since coke is lacking consistency, i've found 5-meo-mipt is an amazing substitute, and i think i prefer it to cocaine, at least you wont get coke dick with 5-meo. ;)
5-MeO-MiPT a good substitute for cocaine?
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My favorite drugs have always been mdma and cocaine, but since coke is lacking consistency, i've found 5-meo-mipt is an amazing substitute, and i think i prefer it to cocaine, at least you wont get coke dick with 5-meo. ;)
5-MeO-MiPT a good substitute for cocaine?
I wouldn't consider it a substitute for coke personally. It does have a little stim buzz associated with it but once you get 20-30mg into the stuff instead of feeling like an invincible social god you are more likely to sit down and ponder why all the walls are moving and what happened to the reality you had known just a few minutes earlier.
Nothing wrong with it, just don't expect to go clubbing and party all night like you would on coke.
Fortunately there are a ton of good stims out there so coke does have quite a few alternatives.
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My favorite drugs have always been mdma and cocaine, but since coke is lacking consistency, i've found 5-meo-mipt is an amazing substitute, and i think i prefer it to cocaine, at least you wont get coke dick with 5-meo. ;)
5-MeO-MiPT a good substitute for cocaine?
No.