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Discussion => Philosophy, Economics and Justice => Topic started by: The Scientist on January 16, 2013, 02:37 am

Title: Satori
Post by: The Scientist on January 16, 2013, 02:37 am
It just absolutely amazes me that people discovered satori without the use of chemical substances. I could never have imagined anything like that in the whole of my life..... to be free from all suffering.... to know that death is an absurdity, and everything is as it ought to be.... to know that we are all one... that there is no other soul in the universe except one's own self which is one with the Godhead. Thank you Albert Hoffman. It took me many many years of skeptical inquiry, but I am finally convinced. There is a God, and I'm it.

I couldn't find you before because you were my Me. Like looking at my eyes directly. Only the mind reflecting itself in itself can discover God.

Title: Re: Satori
Post by: moonflower on January 16, 2013, 03:57 am
i feel the same way. although my only real glimpse into satori was thanks to some potent mushies. i will be back there again someday! eventually i hope to reach that state without any substances. :)
Title: Re: Satori
Post by: jpinkman on January 26, 2013, 04:16 am
i feel the same way. although my only real glimpse into satori was thanks to some potent mushies. i will be back there again someday! eventually i hope to reach that state without any substances. :)

Wouldn't then that require you devote your life to meditation and zen koans?
Title: Re: Satori
Post by: Moon Fried on January 26, 2013, 04:55 pm
No, I believe you all have very brief moments of satori, you just don't realize it.
Title: Re: Satori
Post by: Horizons on January 26, 2013, 11:11 pm
i feel the same way. although my only real glimpse into satori was thanks to some potent mushies. i will be back there again someday! eventually i hope to reach that state without any substances. :)

Wouldn't then that require you devote your life to meditation and zen koans?
Satori is sudden enlightenment. It can happen to anyone, anywhere. It`s frequently reported by soldiers who thought they were on the brink of death (e.g. kamikaze pilots who survived the dive). A lifetime of meditation can increase your odds of reaching Satori, but the true goal of that discipline is to achieve enlightenment deliberately.
Title: Re: Satori
Post by: moonflower on January 26, 2013, 11:22 pm
i feel the same way. although my only real glimpse into satori was thanks to some potent mushies. i will be back there again someday! eventually i hope to reach that state without any substances. :)

Wouldn't then that require you devote your life to meditation and zen koans?
unfortunately, i lack discipline. don't think i'd make a good monk. i try to practice mindfulness whenever i'm conscious, however. i have made a lot of progress these past few years, thanks entirely to psychedelics. they've helped me gain much more control over my mind than i previously had. no idea where i'd be without them... :D
Title: Re: Satori
Post by: jpinkman on January 27, 2013, 01:18 am
Satori is sudden enlightenment. It can happen to anyone, anywhere. It`s frequently reported by soldiers who thought they were on the brink of death (e.g. kamikaze pilots who survived the dive). A lifetime of meditation can increase your odds of reaching Satori, but the true goal of that discipline is to achieve enlightenment deliberately.

So you're referring to a permanent state of enlightenment, or the temporary enlightenment also commonly known as a "zen moment"?
Title: Re: Satori
Post by: jpinkman on January 27, 2013, 01:20 am
unfortunately, i lack discipline. don't think i'd make a good monk. i try to practice mindfulness whenever i'm conscious, however. i have made a lot of progress these past few years, thanks entirely to psychedelics. they've helped me gain much more control over my mind than i previously had. no idea where i'd be without them... :D

So how are you expecting to reach Satori drug free? Is there any special prep you do?

Are you a Buddhist?
Title: Re: Satori
Post by: moonflower on January 27, 2013, 01:37 am
unfortunately, i lack discipline. don't think i'd make a good monk. i try to practice mindfulness whenever i'm conscious, however. i have made a lot of progress these past few years, thanks entirely to psychedelics. they've helped me gain much more control over my mind than i previously had. no idea where i'd be without them... :D

So how are you expecting to reach Satori drug free? Is there any special prep you do?

Are you a Buddhist?
i'm not really expecting to... i have no expectations, to be honest. all i can do each day is try to live in the now, practice mindfulness and dwell in love. i definitely identify very deeply with buddhism, but i am equally as interested in hinduism, taoism and confucianism. to me, they are all different pieces of the same puzzle. :)
Title: Re: Satori
Post by: nuyt on January 27, 2013, 04:23 am

i'm not really expecting to... i have no expectations, to be honest. all i can do each day is try to live in the now, practice mindfulness and dwell in love. i definitely identify very deeply with buddhism, but i am equally as interested in hinduism, taoism and confucianism. to me, they are all different pieces of the same puzzle. :)

Don't forget Sufism. It's actually my favorite out of all the eastern outlooks I've studied. "Be in the world, but not of the world." And the classical Sufi poetry is divine. Read some Hafiz. Best stuff in the world to sit and quietly contemplate, in my experience. I've found it to be a richer experience than doing the same with zen koans and the like. ymmv of couse  :)
Title: Re: Satori
Post by: The Scientist on January 27, 2013, 06:45 am
Sufism is very interesting. I think Sufism, Zen Buddhism, Hinduism, Christianity, etc., are all originally based on Satori-Samadhi experiences. They just offer different cultural symbols for that experience. Some religions seem to give a sharper, more coherent picture than others. But the experience to which all religions refers has a universal, and not a cultural or denominational, significance.
Title: Re: Satori
Post by: moonflower on January 27, 2013, 10:14 pm

i'm not really expecting to... i have no expectations, to be honest. all i can do each day is try to live in the now, practice mindfulness and dwell in love. i definitely identify very deeply with buddhism, but i am equally as interested in hinduism, taoism and confucianism. to me, they are all different pieces of the same puzzle. :)

Don't forget Sufism. It's actually my favorite out of all the eastern outlooks I've studied. "Be in the world, but not of the world." And the classical Sufi poetry is divine. Read some Hafiz. Best stuff in the world to sit and quietly contemplate, in my experience. I've found it to be a richer experience than doing the same with zen koans and the like. ymmv of couse  :)
thanks for the heads up!