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Title: JoR | Buying Shares in Building the Church of Rave | Project MDMA
Post by: jesusofrave on January 25, 2013, 07:12 pm
Ok here is a rough outline of what we are thinking of offering.

<<<SHARES IN BUILDING THE CHURCH OF RAVE>>>

SHARE VALUES AND INCENTIVES:

#0 'Moral Support' |  20 GBP   | A total of 100 of these

For this level of share you get to partake in an experiment and if successful you get access to all the listings before they go live, the 10GBP is refundable against your purchase.

#1 Door Support | 50 GBP  | A total of 75 of these

For this level of share you receive a party pack of 5 Olympic XTC. You get access to all the listings before they go live, the 50GBP is refundable against your purchase.

#2.  Window Support | 100 GBP  | A total of 50 of these

For this level of share you receive a party pack of 5 Olympic XTC. You get access to all the listings before they go live, the 100GBP is refundable against your purchase which you can make with a 2.5% discount on the final price.

#3. Pew Support | 200 GBP | A total of 25 of these

For this level of share you receive a party pack of 5 Olympic XTC. You get access to all the listings before they go live, the 200GBP is refundable against your purchase which you can make with a 5% discount on the final price.

#4. Tabernacle Support | 400 GBP | A total of 20 of these

For this level of share you receive a party pack of 5 Olympic XTC. You get access to all the listings before they go live, the 400GBP is refundable against your purchase which you can make with a 7.5% discount on the final price.

#5. Organ Support | 800 GBP | A total of 10 of these

For this level of share you receive a JOR shop voucher for $50. You get FIRST access to all the listings before they go live, the 800GBP is refundable against your purchase which you can make with a 10% discount on the final price.

#6.  Altar Support | 1600 GBP | A total of 5 of these

For this level of share you receive a JOR shop voucher for $75. You get FIRST access to all the listings before they go live, the 1600GBP is refundable against your purchase which you can make with a 15% discount on the final price.

#7. Crucifix Support | 2500 GBP | A total of 5 of these

For this level of share you receive a Silk Road Wide shop voucher for $100. You get FIRST access to all the listings before they go live, the 2500GBP is refundable against your purchase which you can make with a 25% discount on the final price.


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If investors would rather BTC back then we can work with the same % as above...

If after a period of xxx number of weeks the project has not been taken up then all funds will be refunded 100%.

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Here is what the SHARE would look like provisionally:

<<<SHARES IN BUILDING THE CHURCH OF RAVE>>>

#7. Crucifix Support | 2500 GBP

This listing is for a Share Certificate to help Crowd Fund a 5kg shipment of MDMA

TL;DR
To sum this up very succinctly we want to raise 20k so we can purchase discounted MDMA which we can pass onto all SR users in the form of lower costs.

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For this level of share you receive a Silk Road Wide shop voucher for $100. You get FIRST access to all the listings before they go live, the 2500GBP is refundable against your purchase which you can make with a 25% discount on the final price.

If we have not raised the needed funds by [INSERT DATE] then your investment will be returned in full. You can keep any gifts we have sent :)

These shares are pegged to the dollar, so returns will be in relation to the USD invested.

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http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=46574.1560

pg 103 onwards - gives some of the community discussion around this initiative

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<<< WHY ARE WE EVEN CONSIDERING THIS ROUTE? >>>

Being such 'successful' vendors - why don't we have the capital to invest without the need to crowd fund?

Without divulging too many bits of information, I can speak about this in a generic way.

Firstly - many successful business at some point are aided by a cash injection of investment that lets them 'break through'.

Getting where we are now, has taken a lot of work and alot of investment. Between infrastructure cost, wages, the quantity of products that we have stocked we don't have the cashflow to make the leap. This is both a good thing and a bad thing - good, because it means our set up can handle volume, bad because we have now reached the limits of our procurement capacities for now.

<<< Why don't you have the capital ? >>>

Most of what we have made we have already reinvested. Suffice it to say we are very invested in this project.

Mostly it is because we have chosen the route of bringing as high quality as we can find, and selling it here for as cheap as we can. This means the margins are lower than were we to, for example list our LSD as 200ug and charge double. etc.

Any issues and we always see that the customer's issue is resolved.

The overheads of running an illegal drug operation are just as high as those of alot of businesses.

The combination of these factors means that we simply do not have the cashflow to take things to the next level RIGHT NOW. We have no doubt that we would get there eventually - in 6 -8 months...so if this experiment doesn't work out, then we'll just keep things going the way we have been.

<<< WHY DO SCAMS KEEP HAPPENING? >>>

This came to us after hearing about the latest possible scam (Fox) and we asked ourselves why this happens. As far as we can tell it is this:

1. People want stuff as cheap as they can get it.
2. People want stuff as fast as they can get it (NOW NOW NOW)

If this is not offered by a Vendor who works exclusively in escrow then people will accept the risk of a Vendor who meets the above requirements even if they are requesting/demanding FE.

People go for it - knowing full well that there is risk involved via scam / cut and run. The sad thing is that vendors only need to be reliable for a very short amount of time before people are willing to take this risk... All you need is 500g... be reliable for a month and then off you go....

Sadly - every time this happens it sets those scammers up to be able to do this again at some point. (I have heard some scams result in 50 -250 k usd pure stolen profit).

<<< AS A VENDOR - WHAT CAN WE DO? >>>

We asked ourselves what we could do to help stop the conditions that support scamming culture. What we came up with is presenting a viable alternative.

What does this look like?

Always having stuff in stock cheaply, that gets sent out quickly. Never ever requiring FE. That way people will have the option to either go down the route of FE, or go down the route of NOT FE - in both cases the product is cheap, in both cases the shipping is promised to be quick... in one case there is the chance you can be scammed , in the other you are protected by escrow.

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To answer some of your questions:

<<<AMOUNT WE HOPE TO RAISE>>>

We would be looking to raise 20,000GBP. This would trigger us being able to put a down payment on a 5kg shipment with repayment terms long enough that we'd be able to pay for the amount gotten on credit with the profits from sales.

<<<TIME LIMITS & DEADLINE & REFUNDS>>>

We could set a deadline that the funds would need to be raised by - for example - 2 weeks. At the end of 2 weeks we look at this situation and either go ahead with what we have, or everyone gets a full refund.

<<< REPAYMENT TIMELINE IF SUCCESSFUL>>>

If we do raise the above sum we could be stocked within 3 days. We don't know how long it would take to raise 20k GBP - or if this is even feasible. (This requires 50 people to invest an ounce worth of BTC - from our latest Source A excursion - we can see that there are 50 of you who want cheap ounces)

<<<FUTURE STOCKING>>>

Once this first amount is raised the ball would be rolling and no further investment would be needed. Repayment would either be in product or within 10 days of receiving product. By the time we had worked through the first half of the 5kg shipment we'd be able to order second... having paid back investors, paid back suppliers and making the next order...

<<<SUPPLIERS>>>

Although it is within the realm of possibility that our RL contacts might get busted, we have a wide and diverse enough portfolio of suppliers that it is unrealistic.

<<<INVESTOR FORUM>>>

We would be happy to start a private forum space somewhere for investors to communicate with each other and to publicly list the number of investors and their investment (but obfuscating their username unless they don't want to). Or one of the investors could... and it be a part of the terms that if you invest you get access to the forum and you get given an investor number (which is the one that gets publically listed)

<<<SHARES>>>
Perhaps we could run this through SR - create a listing for different Value Shares. We could amend the price so that we cover the SR fees - that way SR will also get some funding. If we end up refunding the price then we will also refund you the SR fees and take the hit on that...

It should be noted that no personal details should be shared at any point - between anybody.

The particulars would need to be refined...


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<<< WHAT DO WE (JOR) GET OUT OF IT >>>

We get to take things to the next level. We will stand to earn more from the increase in sales due to having a constant supply of stock (as well as the good feeling of offering a safe haven from possible scammers). We get the opportunity to do something that hasn't been done before.


<<< WHAT DO INVESTORS GET OUT OF IT >>>
- a return on their investment in either product (getting their mdma orders at a discount) or BTC OR a refund
- to help support an established vendor provide a service that reduces the conditions that make scamming possible, which benefits the SR community
- access to a constant supply of cheap high quality MDMA

<<< WHAT DOES THE SR COMMUNITY GET OUT OF IT >>>
- an established vendor that doesn't require FE, with a stable source of high quality products that ship lightning fast worldwide.
- a viable option to appealing scam offers.

<<<WHAT DOES DPR AND SR GET OUT OF IT>>>
- We are an ethical vendor, this type of venture might set a precedent that will help balance out some of the fears that scams have inflicted.
- The feel good feeling that the lines between those seeking a service and those providing a service blur as they work together to respond to their own needs
ie. We are working together to make the community more like what we want it to be - not just sitting back and waiting for others to do it for us...
Title: Re: JoR | Buying Shares in Building the Church of Rave | Project MDMA
Post by: MC Haberdasher on January 26, 2013, 04:41 pm
I'd be willing to throw in 100GBP..

But only if you can play "Quadrophonia" or any other songs with alot of rave hoovers in it once the church is finished being constructed.  Then others will surely be convinced that it is "The church of rave", and not just any old church.
Title: Re: JoR | Buying Shares in Building the Church of Rave | Project MDMA
Post by: PotatoConnoisseur on January 27, 2013, 05:21 am
I'm really thinking hard about this, sounds super sketchy but still very tempting. Would the percent discount only be for a single purchase of the mdma? Also would you sell amounts other than just ounces for 375 GBP? If someone pitched in 2500 GBP how much mdma would that person receive once you have it?
Title: Re: JoR | Buying Shares in Building the Church of Rave | Project MDMA
Post by: jesusofrave on January 27, 2013, 11:48 am
I'm really thinking hard about this, sounds super sketchy but still very tempting. Would the percent discount only be for a single purchase of the mdma? Also would you sell amounts other than just ounces for 375 GBP? If someone pitched in 2500 GBP how much mdma would that person receive once you have it?

Hey there... thanks for your question. Well - in this mind experiement we had suggested that of the 5kg procurement 3kg would be available only to investors.

Someone manking the Crucifix investment would be entitled to roughly 8 ounces... prior to anyone else shooting for it...

This would all need refinement if it went ahead.

jor
Title: Re: JoR | Buying Shares in Building the Church of Rave | Project MDMA
Post by: kzwb on January 28, 2013, 02:51 am
So you will require us to fe to front you the cash...
And then you will send it out in md instead?

Essentially to me this is no different from FE for other sellers, which coming from a country many sellers need me to fe for, I am (unfortunately) used to.

Count me in for 200gbp
Title: Re: JoR | Buying Shares in Building the Church of Rave | Project MDMA
Post by: jesusofrave on January 28, 2013, 09:23 am
@kzwb - to the letter of the 'law' you are buying shares and you online release funds once you have received your share certificate. HOWEVER in essence this is fronting cash to make a bigger order....

Thanks for your input!

jor
Title: Re: JoR | Buying Shares in Building the Church of Rave | Project MDMA
Post by: PotatoConnoisseur on January 29, 2013, 02:00 am
I would be in for one of the two highest amounts depending on when this happens and how many extra bitcoins I have at the time. By the looks of the poll it might take too long to complete to make it worth it though, nobody likes to watch their money sit for long. If the polling doesn't pick up will you give up on the idea or reevaluate the incentives?
Title: Re: JoR | Buying Shares in Building the Church of Rave | Project MDMA
Post by: danknugsdun on January 29, 2013, 02:08 am
Can I invest and have a profit return rather than product return?
Title: Re: JoR | Buying Shares in Building the Church of Rave | Project MDMA
Post by: jesusofrave on January 29, 2013, 02:20 am
Hey dank - yes.

@ potato

We have been contacted privately by enough people that we would hit the target... Which took a week in the theoretical landscape of a poll.

We are going to let the idea settle and then come back to it. Probably we'll leave it for a month - this model is actually the most rewarding for stocking up on large amounts of LSD XTAL....

g'night all

Title: Re: JoR | Buying Shares in Building the Church of Rave | Project MDMA
Post by: danknugsdun on January 29, 2013, 02:34 am
What kind of ROI can we expect and in what time frame? Feel free to message me on SR/PM or on the vendor table.
Title: Re: JoR | Buying Shares in Building the Church of Rave | Project MDMA
Post by: Drippy on January 29, 2013, 02:38 am
I've always been very interested in the whole crowdfunding idea, and glad to see it being used for this venture!  If I didn't already have a reliable connect for MDMA this side of the pond I'd be all about it :)  Thinking I might have to step up and make the first crowdfunding deep internet site, and obviously I've already got the name covered...

BRICKSTARTER



Title: Re: JoR | Buying Shares in Building the Church of Rave | Project MDMA
Post by: jesusofrave on January 29, 2013, 10:58 am
What kind of ROI can we expect and in what time frame? Feel free to message me on SR/PM or on the vendor table.

Hey there - roughly what level of investment would you be interested in making?

Time frame would be something to the effect of 2 weeks fundraising, 1 week BTC extraction, half a week - week (depending on supplier world), 1-2 weeks initial sales to cover investor paybacks.

So if you were wanting BTC and not product the return timetable would be 5 weeks min, more like 6 weeks.

jor
Title: Re: JoR | Buying Shares in Building the Church of Rave | Project MDMA
Post by: jesusofrave on January 29, 2013, 11:02 am
I've always been very interested in the whole crowdfunding idea, and glad to see it being used for this venture!  If I didn't already have a reliable connect for MDMA this side of the pond I'd be all about it :)  Thinking I might have to step up and make the first crowdfunding deep internet site, and obviously I've already got the name covered...

BRICKSTARTER

:)

From what we can gather, there seems to be enough noise of support for this to try it with MDMA and LSD. Maybe in thefuture it can also be done with ketamin...

:)
Title: Re: JoR | Buying Shares in Building the Church of Rave | Project MDMA
Post by: danknugsdun on January 29, 2013, 11:47 am
What kind of ROI can we expect and in what time frame? Feel free to message me on SR/PM or on the vendor table.

Hey there - roughly what level of investment would you be interested in making?

Time frame would be something to the effect of 2 weeks fundraising, 1 week BTC extraction, half a week - week (depending on supplier world), 1-2 weeks initial sales to cover investor paybacks.

So if you were wanting BTC and not product the return timetable would be 5 weeks min, more like 6 weeks.

jor

I would be prepared to drop 800 GBP but would prefer to go with the 400. How much could I expect as a return?
Title: Re: JoR | Buying Shares in Building the Church of Rave | Project MDMA
Post by: jesusofrave on January 29, 2013, 11:50 am
What kind of ROI can we expect and in what time frame? Feel free to message me on SR/PM or on the vendor table.

Hey there - roughly what level of investment would you be interested in making?

Time frame would be something to the effect of 2 weeks fundraising, 1 week BTC extraction, half a week - week (depending on supplier world), 1-2 weeks initial sales to cover investor paybacks.

So if you were wanting BTC and not product the return timetable would be 5 weeks min, more like 6 weeks.

jor

I would be prepared to drop 800 GBP but would prefer to go with the 400. How much could I expect as a return?

Hey there - i will have a look at potential figures today - HOWEVER - surely there would be a greater return on buying product and then doing a firesale? You would get a quicker and larger return on initial input?

jor
Title: Re: JoR | Buying Shares in Building the Church of Rave | Project MDMA
Post by: danknugsdun on January 29, 2013, 11:54 am
What kind of ROI can we expect and in what time frame? Feel free to message me on SR/PM or on the vendor table.

Hey there - roughly what level of investment would you be interested in making?

Time frame would be something to the effect of 2 weeks fundraising, 1 week BTC extraction, half a week - week (depending on supplier world), 1-2 weeks initial sales to cover investor paybacks.

So if you were wanting BTC and not product the return timetable would be 5 weeks min, more like 6 weeks.

jor

I would be prepared to drop 800 GBP but would prefer to go with the 400. How much could I expect as a return?

Hey there - i will have a look at potential figures today - HOWEVER - surely there would be a greater return on buying product and then doing a firesale? You would get a quicker and larger return on initial input?

jor

I won't go into too much detail in public for my reason on not stocking product. If you can quote me on the figures that would be awesome.

Cheers
Title: Re: JoR | Buying Shares in Building the Church of Rave | Project MDMA
Post by: MR.X on January 30, 2013, 01:29 am
Im Down For: #5. Organ Support | 800 GBP

I got your back JOR :)
Title: Re: JoR | Buying Shares in Building the Church of Rave | Project MDMA
Post by: #slothrop on January 30, 2013, 02:07 am
I would like to come in low (between the window and door as personal finances permit), but I won't know which for a while. When would you prefer people to commit?
Title: Re: JoR | Buying Shares in Building the Church of Rave | Project MDMA
Post by: jesusofrave on January 30, 2013, 11:33 am
At the moment this is just a survey - tbh we won't be looking at doing this for at least a month...

Thanks for the input all!

jor