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Discussion => Drug safety => Topic started by: Joey Terrifying on December 08, 2012, 10:29 pm
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i originally wrote a long and rambling post about my whole history with DMT, but decided to ax it and mostly talk about my experiences as of late:
i tried DMT years ago and scared myself shitless. i was headstrong and cocky about psychedelics and was so eager to dive right into the deep end of DMT, hard and fast. it was way more than i had bargained for.
so i thought about my experiences. for a few years actually. i had tried smoking it again a couple times but would get the shakes so bad i couldn't hold the lighter.
for some reason though, i knew i wanted to use it again. so i got some MHRB and did an extraction, and then just held on to it for about a year or two. my wife was excited and bought a glass vapor genie. but i remained apprehensive.
so i don't know what happened, but lately i just started going for it and smoking the stuff...and it has been FANTASTIC. i've been keeping my doses low, so far, slowly working my way up...i started with 10, then 15, then 20, etc. the last couple times i smoked, i was kinda bummed that i hadn't put more in the pipe.
i think my problem before was that my goal was to get as big of a hit as possible and then go fucking mental for 5 minutes. but now, i'll take a normal hit and let it mellow...see where it takes me. i'll take another hit or two (oooo, the GVG hits so smooth) until the walls melt around me, which is endlessly entertaining. it feels like a full body orgasm, every time; it is just that wonderful. sometimes the feeling is so overwhelmingly good that i just close my eyes and have a major moment of "space out." its like taking a hit of nitrous after a bump of K while tripping on acid. but then it all fades and within 15-20 minutes of my last toke i'm back to back to baseline with absolutely no hangover. i just go about my day. its actually, the opposite of a hangover....i feel better, sharper...
the best day goes like this: i wake up, go to the gym for a 45 min workout. come back home, take my dog out for a walk, then crawl back into bed with a bowl of DMT, trip balls for 15 min, then go make breakfast/coffee, shower, and get to work. that thing about it being "the businessman's trip" has had me laughing a few times when i'm doing work an hour after tripping balls.
to be able to enjoy DMT to the extent that i currently do, i had to unlearn everything i had read or heard about it. all the shit about gnomes and alternate realities and peeking at the afterlife....forget all that shit. learn to dance with confusion and not care about quantifying or explaining things. just tell yourself "there's only now." and go slow, because DMT is the real deal magic spice...not for kiddies. learned that the hard way.
its been over 6 years since my first toke and i feel like my relationship with this drug is just beginning. so i'm certainly no expert, but i'm starting to get the feeling that DMT is a very malleable drug experience. in other words: DMT is whatever you want it to be. if you want mystery you'll get it, if you are afraid you'll get fear, if you want psychedelic bliss...well, thats what i've been getting lately :)
hope some other seekers out there find their way to the loving embrace of this non-drug.
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Nice read, +1 ;)
I have no idea if I'm ready for DMT. It is said that it finds you, not the other way around :)
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Nice post!
It seems you found your own way of using and taking the best of it. That's some valuable experience :)
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The highest thing one can experience is cosmic consciousness-- the sense of complete, fundamental, total unity, forever and ever, with the whole universe.. As Watts often liked to say, cosmic consciousness is that than which there is no whicher. You can't get any spiritually "higher" than that. I have been able to attain this state on LSD and mushrooms, but never on DMT. So to answer the question, it's a wonderful drug, but I'd place DMT somewhat below the classical psycehdelics. It's an interesting experience, but it's an aesthetic and hallucinatory experience, not what I would call a spiritual experience.
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The highest thing one can experience is cosmic consciousness-- the sense of complete, fundamental, total unity, forever and ever, with the whole universe.. As Watts often liked to say, cosmic consciousness is that than which there is no whicher. You can't get any spiritually "higher" than that. I have been able to attain this state on LSD and mushrooms, but never on DMT. So to answer the question, it's a wonderful drug, but I'd place DMT somewhat below the classical psycehdelics. It's an interesting experience, but it's an aesthetic and hallucinatory experience, not what I would call a spiritual experience.
i don't know, something about your statement doesn't sit right with me.
it seems like you're looking at "spiritual experiences" in some sort of hierarchy, but its really not like that. i think that cosmic consciousness can happen in "mundane" day to day life for no reason much the way the universe is an infinite sphere whose center is everywhere and whose circumference is nowhere.
i'm also confused as to why you classify LSD and Psilocybin as "spiritual" and DMT as "not spiritual." i don't know...i think its pretty subjective. i mean, personally, i stopped taking LSD because it made me delusional. i would come up with ridiculous stuff that i thought was true and then come out of it shaking my head at the absurdity of what i'd just been thinking. mushrooms i like, because its a meeting between you and a foreign consciousness. that is a spiritual experience, to me, but by this definition having a conversation with my neighbor is also a spiritual experience.
on DMT when i get to a real "spaced out" moment, its like there's nothing else. which makes the nothingness everything. its pretty far out man, i wouldn't write it off just yet. spiritual experiences come in all sorts of different shapes and sizes.
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i find DMT as a MUCH more "mentally" easier drug than LSD , and also much less spiritual - but as stated , it is very subjective...
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The highest thing one can experience is cosmic consciousness-- the sense of complete, fundamental, total unity, forever and ever, with the whole universe.. As Watts often liked to say, cosmic consciousness is that than which there is no whicher. You can't get any spiritually "higher" than that. I have been able to attain this state on LSD and mushrooms, but never on DMT. So to answer the question, it's a wonderful drug, but I'd place DMT somewhat below the classical psycehdelics. It's an interesting experience, but it's an aesthetic and hallucinatory experience, not what I would call a spiritual experience.
The only way I have ever reached that state was through lucid dreaming :)
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I classify drugs according to their effects on consciousness.
Emotional-social. consciousness: Alcohol, amphetamines, LSD.
Sensory-somatic consciousness: Marijuana, MDA, LSD.
Aesthetic consciousness: DMT, mushrooms, marijuana, LSD.
Astral-imaginal consciousness: DMT, mushrooms, LSD.
Cosmic consciousness: LSD, mushrooms, mescaline.
It will be noted that LSD is perhaps unique in that it can induce all levels of consciousness, although with respect to astral-imaginal consciousness, DMT is undoubtedly superior to LSD.
Nevertheless, you can't get any higher than cosmic consciousness, whether through psychedelics or other methods. Everything else is form, creation, Maya, potentiality. And that includes astral-imaginal entities just as much as the physical world.
Can you experience cosmic consciousness on DMT? Perhaps, but astral-imaginal seems to be the norm.
i'm also confused as to why you classify LSD and Psilocybin as "spiritual" and DMT as "not spiritual."
Well, the word spiritual is used in different senses by different people. A lot of people would use it in a sense that encompasses both astral-imaginal consciousness and cosmic consciousness. If that's how you are using the word spiritual, then I agree with you; DMT is very spiritual, in the sense. I'd just place cosmic consciousness above astral-imaginal consciousness, and therefore I would consider mushrooms and LSD to be 'better' than DMT, at least for spiritual purposes.
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I classify drugs according to their effects on consciousness.
Emotional-social. consciousness: Alcohol, amphetamines, LSD.
Sensory-somatic consciousness: Marijuana, MDA, LSD.
Aesthetic consciousness: DMT, mushrooms, marijuana, LSD.
Astral-imaginal consciousness: DMT, mushrooms, LSD.
Cosmic consciousness: LSD, mushrooms, mescaline.
It will be noted that LSD is perhaps unique in that it can induce all levels of consciousness, although with respect to astral-imaginal consciousness, DMT is undoubtedly superior to LSD.
Nevertheless, you can't get any higher than cosmic consciousness, whether through psychedelics or other methods. Everything else is form, creation, Maya, potentiality. And that includes astral-imaginal entities just as much as the physical world.
Can you experience cosmic consciousness on DMT? Perhaps, but astral-imaginal seems to be the norm.
i'm also confused as to why you classify LSD and Psilocybin as "spiritual" and DMT as "not spiritual."
Well, the word spiritual is used in different senses by different people. A lot of people would use it in a sense that encompasses both astral-imaginal consciousness and cosmic consciousness. If that's how you are using the word spiritual, then I agree with you; DMT is very spiritual, in the sense. I'd just place cosmic consciousness above astral-imaginal consciousness, and therefore I would consider mushrooms and LSD to be 'better' than DMT, at least for spiritual purposes.
Interesting and possibly very useful classification system. +1 :)
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I classify drugs according to their effects on consciousness.
Emotional-social. consciousness: Alcohol, amphetamines, LSD.
Sensory-somatic consciousness: Marijuana, MDA, LSD.
Aesthetic consciousness: DMT, mushrooms, marijuana, LSD.
Astral-imaginal consciousness: DMT, mushrooms, LSD.
Cosmic consciousness: LSD, mushrooms, mescaline.
greatly classified! wish i could +1
curious as to were you'd classify ketamine?
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Two days ago I've tried DMT for the first time. Actually it was changa. What was a surprise for me is that the experience was VERY friendly. I was laughing and jumping when is was over. And it was very short. After 15 min I felt absolutely sober and wonderful.
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dmt really is a wondrous little chemical. i think what fascinates me the most about it is the fact that it's so widespread in the natural world and (to my knowledge) is the only psychedelic endogenous to the human body. there's really nothing else like it.
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its been over 6 years since my first toke and i feel like my relationship with this drug is just beginning. so i'm certainly no expert, but i'm starting to get the feeling that DMT is a very malleable drug experience. in other words: DMT is whatever you want it to be. if you want mystery you'll get it, if you are afraid you'll get fear, if you want psychedelic bliss...well, thats what i've been getting lately :)
hope some other seekers out there find their way to the loving embrace of this non-drug.
Holy shit, your experience with DMT is so much like mine, I couldn't believe it! However, mine doesn't have a "happy ending" just yet - but I'm not giving up! Reading about your experience gave me hope and opened up my mind. You're right, I'm fed up with the trolls and higher dimension shit that I've read a ton about.. I think the expectation I got from it has ruined my DMT experience.
Seeing how people have such awesome experiences with DMT (revelations, space travel, etc etc) makes me wonder - what's wrong with me? I have a good chunk of changa and DMT that I'm unable / unwilling to use for the fear of bad trip that I have experienced a few time (very terrifying, anxious, disgusting kind). I did have a few good DMT trips when I just started, but they've soon turned into terror - and after reading your post I think I can see why.
I'm going to wipe slate clean, and gradually start anew. I'm doing it wrong, expecting space travel and aliens and shit. I should really just take it slow, observe, and enjoy the experience, gradually.
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its been over 6 years since my first toke and i feel like my relationship with this drug is just beginning. so i'm certainly no expert, but i'm starting to get the feeling that DMT is a very malleable drug experience. in other words: DMT is whatever you want it to be. if you want mystery you'll get it, if you are afraid you'll get fear, if you want psychedelic bliss...well, thats what i've been getting lately :)
hope some other seekers out there find their way to the loving embrace of this non-drug.
Holy shit, your experience with DMT is so much like mine, I couldn't believe it! However, mine doesn't have a "happy ending" just yet - but I'm not giving up! Reading about your experience gave me hope and opened up my mind. You're right, I'm fed up with the trolls and higher dimension shit that I've read a ton about.. I think the expectation I got from it has ruined my DMT experience.
Seeing how people have such awesome experiences with DMT (revelations, space travel, etc etc) makes me wonder - what's wrong with me? I have a good chunk of changa and DMT that I'm unable / unwilling to use for the fear of bad trip that I have experienced a few time (very terrifying, anxious, disgusting kind). I did have a few good DMT trips when I just started, but they've soon turned into terror - and after reading your post I think I can see why.
I'm going to wipe slate clean, and gradually start anew. I'm doing it wrong, expecting space travel and aliens and shit. I should really just take it slow, observe, and enjoy the experience, gradually.
thanks for the reply :)
i knew there had to be someone else out there struggling with DMT in the way that i have, which is why i made this post.
the best advice i can give is to try a small dose of like 15mg...when the scary/uncomfortable flashbacks start happening just say to yourself out loud "there's only now." i think, philosophically, you can't really prove that there is any other moment in existence other than "right now" so for all intents and purposes, your previous experiences never actually happened.
don't lose hope!
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things like Meditation, Yoga, Lucid Dreaming, and Astral Projection naturally bring on a psychedelic state of mind. Psychedelic Drugs are just short cuts really. imo.
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things like Meditation, Yoga, Lucid Dreaming, and Astral Projection naturally bring on a psychedelic state of mind. Psychedelic Drugs are just short cuts really. imo.
Lucid dreaming is the shit! When relying on drugs, your experience is limited to the drugs available. But lucid dreams can be modified to anything imaginable.
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things like Meditation, Yoga, Lucid Dreaming, and Astral Projection naturally bring on a psychedelic state of mind. Psychedelic Drugs are just short cuts really. imo.
you are right; its great :) a big time saver for sure :P
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things like Meditation, Yoga, Lucid Dreaming, and Astral Projection naturally bring on a psychedelic state of mind. Psychedelic Drugs are just short cuts really. imo.
Lucid dreaming is the shit! When relying on drugs, your experience is limited to the drugs available. But lucid dreams can be modified to anything imaginable.
I gotta say,I'm very intrigued by your thoughts and opinions about lucid dreaming.I would very much like to learn about the methods and if you have any tips for me on the matter I would appreciate it very much.I'm very open minded and would definitely check up on any avenues you may send me.
Thanks very much,
PEACE
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personally, i attribute my ability to lucid dream to my ketamine use. it really taught me how to gain the control over my mind necessary to lucid dream. there's tricks and stuff like checking your watch twice in a row every hour to make sure its not going buggy, but they are not necessary. eventually the line between dreaming and awake gets pretty blurred....it could be a bit unnerving if your not comfortable with surrendering to this not knowing. the most powerful lucid dreams are the ones that take place within another dream. shit gets craaaaazy when you're two dreams in.
although i have had little success, many people i have known swear by Calea dream herb. its some awful tasting brew, but for some people it works like a charm
also, watch "waking life" as many times as you can.
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things like Meditation, Yoga, Lucid Dreaming, and Astral Projection naturally bring on a psychedelic state of mind. Psychedelic Drugs are just short cuts really. imo.
Lucid dreaming is the shit! When relying on drugs, your experience is limited to the drugs available. But lucid dreams can be modified to anything imaginable.
I gotta say,I'm very intrigued by your thoughts and opinions about lucid dreaming.I would very much like to learn about the methods and if you have any tips for me on the matter I would appreciate it very much.I'm very open minded and would definitely check up on any avenues you may send me.
Thanks very much,
PEACE
http://www.ld4all.com/guide.html
This is the best guide I know, it has all the info you need.
personally, i attribute my ability to lucid dream to my ketamine use. it really taught me how to gain the control over my mind necessary to lucid dream. there's tricks and stuff like checking your watch twice in a row every hour to make sure its not going buggy, but they are not necessary. eventually the line between dreaming and awake gets pretty blurred....it could be a bit unnerving if your not comfortable with surrendering to this not knowing. the most powerful lucid dreams are the ones that take place within another dream. shit gets craaaaazy when you're two dreams in.
although i have had little success, many people i have known swear by Calea dream herb. its some awful tasting brew, but for some people it works like a charm
also, watch "waking life" as many times as you can.
Yes, I also recommend watching Waking Life. That movie is trippy as fuck :D
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What a nice thread.
OP's post was surely a very nice read.
I've done some LSD, mushrooms etc.
Now, I think it's the time to try something "new" and I'm really looking forward to try out DMT.
But of course I have some basic question, hope you don't mind, guys:
Due to being new to DMT, I'm looking forward to buy N, N-DMT (freebase) and I want it to smoke, is there maybe a cheap vaporizer you guys could recommend? And another thing that I don't get, do I put only the N, N-DMT in the vaporizer and smoke it or does I have to mix it with e.g. tobacco?
http://www.vaporgenie.com/products/hand-carved-vg-vaporizers/handcarved-straight-walnut-details
This one is recommended in a listing, but to be honest, as a first-time consumer I'd prefer something less expensive.
I've already read about the dosage etc.
Anyway, any advice of you guys is really appreciated.
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What a nice thread.
OP's post was surely a very nice read.
I've done some LSD, mushrooms etc.
Now, I think it's the time to try something "new" and I'm really looking forward to try out DMT.
But of course I have some basic question, hope you don't mind, guys:
Due to being new to DMT, I'm looking forward to buy N, N-DMT (freebase) and I want it to smoke, is there maybe a cheap vaporizer you guys could recommend? And another thing that I don't get, do I put only the N, N-DMT in the vaporizer and smoke it or does I have to mix it with e.g. tobacco?
http://www.vaporgenie.com/products/hand-carved-vg-vaporizers/handcarved-straight-walnut-details
This one is recommended in a listing, but to be honest, as a first-time consumer I'd prefer something less expensive.
I've already read about the dosage etc.
Anyway, any advice of you guys is really appreciated.
you can make your own pipe that people have nicknamed "DMT Machine" or simply "the machine"
here's one thread about it on the nexus: https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=28951
you can search around that site for a lot more info on making a machine.
that vapor genie that was suggested to you is alright, but it would be totally worth the extra 50 bucks to get the sherlock glass vapor genie: http://www.vaporgenie.com/products/glass-vg-vapes/glass-sherlock-vg-details
it is hands down the best pipe for smoking DMT. being able to see the density of vapor you're producing is key to controlling the intensity of your smoking experience.
some people use meth pipes (glass bubble with stem) but i recommend not going that route. see, the vapor genies and the machine heat by convection, that is, the air around the dope gets hot enough to make it vaporize. if you use a meth pipe, you are heating by conduction and are guaranteed to burn at least some. this may not sound like a big deal if you've never smoked burn DMT, but try to imagine what it would feel like to pack a plastic bag into a bong and taking a big rip...yes, smoking DMT in a meth pipe is like suffocating on melted plastic.
oh, and to answer your question, no you do not mix the dmt with anything else. you'll want to put more than one screen in the pipe though to keep the little bits from falling through when you load the pipe.
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you can make your own pipe that people have nicknamed "DMT Machine" or simply "the machine"
here's one thread about it on the nexus: https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=28951
you can search around that site for a lot more info on making a machine.
that vapor genie that was suggested to you is alright, but it would be totally worth the extra 50 bucks to get the sherlock glass vapor genie: http://www.vaporgenie.com/products/glass-vg-vapes/glass-sherlock-vg-details
it is hands down the best pipe for smoking DMT. being able to see the density of vapor you're producing is key to controlling the intensity of your smoking experience.
some people use meth pipes (glass bubble with stem) but i recommend not going that route. see, the vapor genies and the machine heat by convection, that is, the air around the dope gets hot enough to make it vaporize. if you use a meth pipe, you are heating by conduction and are guaranteed to burn at least some. this may not sound like a big deal if you've never smoked burn DMT, but try to imagine what it would feel like to pack a plastic bag into a bong and taking a big rip...yes, smoking DMT in a meth pipe is like suffocating on melted plastic.
oh, and to answer your question, no you do not mix the dmt with anything else. you'll want to put more than one screen in the pipe though to keep the little bits from falling through when you load the pipe.
Thank you very much for the link to DMT-Nexus and your recommendation regarding the pipe, I will consider it.
I'd have to check if they send to Europe.
As far as I understand, even though the Sherlock for instance has already one screen, I'd have to get another one, right? Where can I get one or do I have to build it?
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my vapor genie came with two screens. i put in one of the screens that it came with and also one of these: http://aqualabtechnologies.com/concentrate-utensils/titanium-products/titanium-screen-5-8-inch-60-wire.html
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Sandwiching the spice in a bed of herb helps cut back waste during combustion. If you draw the flame slowly towards the bowl, taking your time with a slow inhalation, you'll practically vaporize the stuff and waste will be minimum. I personally use mullein leaves to sandwich the spice because they cover perfectly and help alleviate the harsh smoke, but I've read about people using oregano and other common herbs. As tempting as it may be, don't use MJ because she burns hot no matter how careful you are. Save that bowl for after. ;)
I have a little launch box vaporizor but still use a glass chillum when smoking DMT. Remember, hold that shit in! This should be your primary concern if worried about waste.
The nexus is a great community, I recommend checking it out for all your DMT queries.
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First of all OP great read!
2nd, DMT is da BESTTTTT!!!!!!! Truly amazing stuff, IDK who said it wasn't spiritual but... EVERY time i go i come back feeling like i have witnessed something extraordinary...like being with the divine or sharing in PURE ALL KNOWING LOVE... IDK how to describe it...but i always assume i am dead and then i am in the arms of my creator... IDK crazy shit...but then again i have had some pretty outlandish ones too where i literally died, and then was living as a being of light in the forest world...
all i do know is that if you really wanna feel what the paranormal is like smoke some DMT cuz it will definitely show you weird crazy things...and the entities???? i mean where do these things come from!!! what are they saying to me!!! why can't i remember !!!!!!
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so, i just discovered this website which is fucking awesome. its interactive generative meditative art. http://new.weavesilk.com/
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Sandwiching the spice in a bed of herb helps cut back waste during combustion. If you draw the flame slowly towards the bowl, taking your time with a slow inhalation, you'll practically vaporize the stuff and waste will be minimum. I personally use mullein leaves to sandwich the spice because they cover perfectly and help alleviate the harsh smoke, but I've read about people using oregano and other common herbs. As tempting as it may be, don't use MJ because she burns hot no matter how careful you are. Save that bowl for after. ;)
I have a little launch box vaporizor but still use a glass chillum when smoking DMT. Remember, hold that shit in! This should be your primary concern if worried about waste.
The nexus is a great community, I recommend checking it out for all your DMT queries.
I've been reading through DMT-Nexus the whole night, very interesting community :)
To be honest, I think that I'll smoke only DMT without any herbs, because I don't like the "herby" taste, especially MJ's.
First of all OP great read!
2nd, DMT is da BESTTTTT!!!!!!! Truly amazing stuff, IDK who said it wasn't spiritual but... EVERY time i go i come back feeling like i have witnessed something extraordinary...like being with the divine or sharing in PURE ALL KNOWING LOVE... IDK how to describe it...but i always assume i am dead and then i am in the arms of my creator... IDK crazy shit...but then again i have had some pretty outlandish ones too where i literally died, and then was living as a being of light in the forest world...
all i do know is that if you really wanna feel what the paranormal is like smoke some DMT cuz it will definitely show you weird crazy things...and the entities???? i mean where do these things come from!!! what are they saying to me!!! why can't i remember !!!!!!
Haha, sounds pretty fucked up to me, BUT I'm really looking forward to make this experience.
As OP's stated above, in my opinion DMT seems to be the ultimate "drug", it isn't "time consuming" like other drugs, e.g. LSD etc.
And from what I've heard, OP's also mentioned it in his first post, you can afterwards go to work etc., I think that's only a benefit of DMT.
Take a fucking vacation to outer space, came back, get dressed and go to do whatever you have to :)
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signing for later read