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Title: Did I almost get busted?
Post by: DESTRUCT0R on February 03, 2013, 05:04 am
I ordered a g of ethylphenidate and today the post office mailman asked me to sign a form saying I knew the contents of the package weren't for human consumption and legal. Thus, he implied it was legal but I don't know. It was so weird. I obviously refused, choosing to be cautious, and now I don't have my package :(.
Title: Re: Did I almost get busted?
Post by: LokeToke on February 03, 2013, 06:37 am
I'd say you made the right choice. The form obviously implied they inspected the package and knew the contents. Also signing would imply you knew what it was and were expecting it. After signing and then getting questioned asking you what you were using it for would lead no where fast.

What country was this in?
Title: Re: Did I almost get busted?
Post by: GreenAlfalfaBoxes on February 03, 2013, 10:04 am
Holy shit.  This totally makes me question using my PO box.

You used a PO Box right?

How large was the package?
Title: Re: Did I almost get busted?
Post by: titfortat on February 03, 2013, 12:01 pm
Good choice. Impossible to know what exactly was happening but in that situation, don't sign.
Title: Re: Did I almost get busted?
Post by: murungu on February 03, 2013, 12:24 pm
I ordered a g of ethylphenidate and today the post office mailman asked me to sign a form saying I knew the contents of the package weren't for human consumption and legal. Thus, he implied it was legal but I don't know. It was so weird. I obviously refused, choosing to be cautious, and now I don't have my package :(.

Never heard of this chem. The first question to you... IS it legal? If so, no problem, except now you don't have it to enjoy.

We think refusal to sign is as much of a 'confession' as signing, if not more so. This sounds counter-intuitive, but like all the 'mistakes' new buyers make, it is not.
Innocent people do 'innocent' things, like sign for any package without a blink. If you'd sign for it, and take your package with a big bright smile and a 'Thank You', then go home and read the forum about what to do next. You SHOULD have read the 'Shipping' thread before even ordering anything suspect.

Anyone can send anybody anything in the mail, signing for something to confirm that it is 'legal' is very 'challenge-able' by any half-decent lawyer, how could you possibly *know* if what you were signing for is what you were signing for without actually testing the product right there in the PO? To take this to it's logical extreme, anyone could send you 'H' dressed up as a birthday card to frame you, it is unlikely, but it is not outside the realms of possibility, and on that basis, signing for your 'birthday card' would not incriminate you, how could it?

But flat refusal to sign, is a big red flag dude, we'd suggest you immediately go and read the sticky thread written by USPS roadsters in the 'Shipping' section and them PM them for further advice. (if you are in the US).

It is clear NONE of the posters on this thread so far has read ANYTHING about delivery in the 'Shipping' section. :(
This is why we suggest to Newbies to STFU for 50 posts and focus on LEARNING (BY READING) EVERYTHING FIRST about how to order online.

-1 to ALL of you, now go and do your fuckin homework. :(
Title: Re: Did I almost get busted?
Post by: Dazzy on February 03, 2013, 12:59 pm
ethylphenidate is legal i believe.  You can order it from Research Chemical Websites...

So I think you would have been fine.  However I may be getting the chemical mixed u with another, so maybe you made the right choice.

The fact that they asked you to sign it meant they surely must have inspected the package.  I dont know on this one
Title: Re: Did I almost get busted?
Post by: murungu on February 03, 2013, 02:56 pm
ethylphenidate is legal i believe.  You can order it from Research Chemical Websites...

So I think you would have been fine.  However I may be getting the chemical mixed u with another, so maybe you made the right choice.

The fact that they asked you to sign it meant they surely must have inspected the package.  I dont know on this one

Dazzy,
If you don't know, then don't comment.
You are NOT helping by adding meaningless babble.
Go and read the forums if you want to add value, THEN post all you want.
We know your heart is in the right place, or maybe it's just set on 50 posts so you can just crap on in the big pond, but you too need to wise up and start reading a LOT more, or risk some needlessly scary times on your way to nirvana.
Don't guess, if you are going to post, then please go check your facts, re-chemical legality, don't be, wasting your own and everyone else's time, you could be roasted alive on the senior forums for posting half-arsed shit like this, be forewarned, this newbie section is here for a reason, use it wisely, learn well, or fall hard.
Thanks, m.
Title: Re: Did I almost get busted?
Post by: 1337ninjer on February 03, 2013, 03:28 pm
Ethylphenidate is not illegal in the US, but it may be considered an analog of methylphenidate which is a Schedule II drug. The form you were asked to sign may very well have been from the seller. It's not uncommon for RC companies to play CYA with these forms. That way if you get out of your mind high on it and chew someone's face off, they won't be responsible because you promised not to ingest it.

Did it come from a vendor here? If it did check the seller's profile to see if they say such a form will be sent. If not, message then and ask if it was from them. If you bought it somewhere else, call them and ask if the from was from them.
Title: Re: Did I almost get busted?
Post by: donatto on February 03, 2013, 04:31 pm
I ordered a g of ethylphenidate and today the post office mailman asked me to sign a form saying I knew the contents of the package weren't for human consumption and legal. Thus, he implied it was legal but I don't know. It was so weird. I obviously refused, choosing to be cautious, and now I don't have my package :(.

Never heard of this chem. The first question to you... IS it legal? If so, no problem, except now you don't have it to enjoy.

We think refusal to sign is as much of a 'confession' as signing, if not more so. This sounds counter-intuitive, but like all the 'mistakes' new buyers make, it is not.
Innocent people do 'innocent' things, like sign for any package without a blink. If you'd sign for it, and take your package with a big bright smile and a 'Thank You', then go home and read the forum about what to do next. You SHOULD have read the 'Shipping' thread before even ordering anything suspect.

Anyone can send anybody anything in the mail, signing for something to confirm that it is 'legal' is very 'challenge-able' by any half-decent lawyer, how could you possibly *know* if what you were signing for is what you were signing for without actually testing the product right there in the PO? To take this to it's logical extreme, anyone could send you 'H' dressed up as a birthday card to frame you, it is unlikely, but it is not outside the realms of possibility, and on that basis, signing for your 'birthday card' would not incriminate you, how could it?

But flat refusal to sign, is a big red flag dude, we'd suggest you immediately go and read the sticky thread written by USPS roadsters in the 'Shipping' section and them PM them for further advice. (if you are in the US).

It is clear NONE of the posters on this thread so far has read ANYTHING about delivery in the 'Shipping' section. :(
This is why we suggest to Newbies to STFU for 50 posts and focus on LEARNING (BY READING) EVERYTHING FIRST about how to order online.

-1 to ALL of you, now go and do your fuckin homework. :(

This. Cmon guys stick to threads of people who really know what they doing, no we cant post there but LEARN from there, just that, there's a lot of advise on shipping, go for the 101 or the people who workd there. be safe
Title: Re: Did I almost get busted?
Post by: murungu on February 03, 2013, 05:08 pm
Ethylphenidate is not illegal in the US, but it may be considered an analog of methylphenidate which is a Schedule II drug. The form you were asked to sign may very well have been from the seller. It's not uncommon for RC companies to play CYA with these forms. That way if you get out of your mind high on it and chew someone's face off, they won't be responsible because you promised not to ingest it.

Did it come from a vendor here? If it did check the seller's profile to see if they say such a form will be sent. If not, message then and ask if it was from them. If you bought it somewhere else, call them and ask if the from was from them.
+1 This ^^^^^ is how you add value knowledge and information, by both sharing facts and asking relevant questions.
Title: Re: Did I almost get busted?
Post by: napalm on February 03, 2013, 05:32 pm
It may seem obvious but just in case, don't ever use that drop again!
Title: Re: Did I almost get busted?
Post by: 4737Carlin on February 03, 2013, 06:05 pm
I ordered a g of ethylphenidate and today the post office mailman asked me to sign a form saying I knew the contents of the package weren't for human consumption and legal. Thus, he implied it was legal but I don't know. It was so weird. I obviously refused, choosing to be cautious, and now I don't have my package :(.

Never heard of this chem. The first question to you... IS it legal? If so, no problem, except now you don't have it to enjoy.

We think refusal to sign is as much of a 'confession' as signing, if not more so. This sounds counter-intuitive, but like all the 'mistakes' new buyers make, it is not.
Innocent people do 'innocent' things, like sign for any package without a blink. If you'd sign for it, and take your package with a big bright smile and a 'Thank You', then go home and read the forum about what to do next. You SHOULD have read the 'Shipping' thread before even ordering anything suspect.

Anyone can send anybody anything in the mail, signing for something to confirm that it is 'legal' is very 'challenge-able' by any half-decent lawyer, how could you possibly *know* if what you were signing for is what you were signing for without actually testing the product right there in the PO? To take this to it's logical extreme, anyone could send you 'H' dressed up as a birthday card to frame you, it is unlikely, but it is not outside the realms of possibility, and on that basis, signing for your 'birthday card' would not incriminate you, how could it?

But flat refusal to sign, is a big red flag dude, we'd suggest you immediately go and read the sticky thread written by USPS roadsters in the 'Shipping' section and them PM them for further advice. (if you are in the US).

It is clear NONE of the posters on this thread so far has read ANYTHING about delivery in the 'Shipping' section. :(
This is why we suggest to Newbies to STFU for 50 posts and focus on LEARNING (BY READING) EVERYTHING FIRST about how to order online.

-1 to ALL of you, now go and do your fuckin homework. :(

Thank F for that somebody with a bit of common sense,yes being a little cautious is always a good thing but don't over think a situation if the mail guy already said it was a legal substance but wasn't meant for human consumption,it's not uncommon for company's to do this to cover theyre back's incase you freak out and go all zombie brain eating on people,just because you ordered it from SR doesn't mean the seller doesn't have a legal business aswell,all you had to do was acknowedge that,the mail man gave you the answer to your question,your package was probably barked at by a dog so it will be checked but it's a legal substance so they let it through,you refusing to sign was like a red flag and is more likely to raise an eye brow,if your shipping legal a product/product's there's a good chance it's not alway's going to be ninja stealth there's no need for it so it's more likely to get a flip at a stop and go station,i've shipped more than my share of stuff over the decades (waaay before SR was even a thought), legal & illegal substance's small and large,but if it was a legal product or substance and I was shipping to a country where the substance /product was legal I wouldn't try to hide the fact I was posting it,why would I, i'm doing something totally legal oviously I wouldnt wrap flashing light's round stuff but if it's legal where you are and where your posting to why try and make it look illegal and if your only receiving item's you dont really have much to worry about to be honest like the man said anybody can send anything to anyone i'm no lawer but even I could tear a prosecutution claim for signing for mail to bits,infact I don't think i've ever heard of a case,I just wish people would think a little more if it was anything to worry about the mail guy wouldn't have turned up asking you to sign for a totally legal parcel with everyright of deniabillity that signing for a parcel give's you,instead you wouldn't have got anything at all,most likely your address would of been flagged and 4 month's from now when they get round to it because let's be honest 1g of anything aint exactly Pablo fucking Ecsoban you might of got a loud knock on your door about 7am.
Honestly in that situation i'de of questioned the mail guy and asked him what kind of substance it was that you were signing for,that's not out of the ordinary your girlfriend/wife son/daughter may have ordered something you didn't know about,if that had been a larger parcel and it was tracked by the sender they can track it back to him if you refuse it and it's a legal substance that give's them more reason to check the sender's address as to why he's sending you package's you claim you didn't know anything about,maybe people will disagree with me, personally i'm not bothered because A) I wouldn't ship to you,(not for 1g anyway) B) I have no idea what the substance is and finally C) the fact i've just kicked my heel's up and wont be doing anything again except for smoking copious amount's of marryoowana.DO as the man said stop posting spam to get to 50 post's just so you can post anywhere,if it was left to me i'de ask every newbie to write me a 100 word minimum request just to judge the level of intelligence,because I swear the term fleshy virus come's to mind when I read 99% of the post's in the newbie section,I say virus but that's not really fair to a virus because they don't know any better,but they do multiply very fast just like most of the idiot's in the newbie section that are really only here to impress they're friend's with the latest sample of whatever,I don't claim to be the most smartest person I know i'm not clever I failed every exam I took but I cant be that stupid if I made it to my age with all my appendages still attached.
Peace.
 8)
+1 Karma to murungu. I'll have to own it to you, I need a couple more post's  :P :-[
And sombody said exactly the same as me but I typed it so i'll post it
Title: Re: Did I almost get busted?
Post by: Dazzy on February 03, 2013, 07:15 pm
The reason i posted what i did was because I have ordered elthyphenidate from an RC site a while ago, so at the time I did that it was legal.  I didnt mean to piss anyone off with that post, I just was saying that when I last came accross the chem it was legal.  Maybe I should have checked its current legality before posting, so sorry about that.  I didnt think I would get such a burning for a comment like that. 
Title: Re: Did I almost get busted?
Post by: android465764E on February 03, 2013, 08:24 pm
You did the right thing in my opinion. Better safe that  sorry.

Research chemicals are a grey area at the best of times. The "not for human consumption" label keeps you safe, but some countries' posties/customs are more clued up than others.

My personal rule: Don't sign for anything from SR.

Title: Re: Did I almost get busted?
Post by: goldnvirgina on February 03, 2013, 08:58 pm
Holy shit.  This totally makes me question using my PO box.

You used a PO Box right?

How large was the package?

Could be wrong but I think using a PO box would be far more suspicious than having it sent to a friends house. The more ordinary something looks, the less suspicious it looks.
Title: Re: Did I almost get busted?
Post by: FugNuggetz on February 03, 2013, 09:26 pm
I have had to sign similar forms for RC shipments, however, they were never presented to me by the postman like this. However it seems doubtful that the form presented to you was produced by the USPS. Lets look at the chain of events that would likely have to occur: 1.) Open the package (requiring a warrant in and of itself). 2.) USPS PAYS their own $$$ to send a sample of its contents to a third party lab for GC/MS analysis. 3.) Wait for the results, confirm the research compound identity. 4.) Reseal the package, and print up a special form for you.

Seems kind of unlikely.

At any rate though, being asked to sign a strange form upon receiving a package can catch anyone off guard if it is totally unexpected. If your vendor requires anything like this they really should have informed you. Did you read their profile/listing carefully?

At any rate, I would consider my bridges burned in regards to that drop point.
Title: Re: Did I almost get busted?
Post by: example76 on February 04, 2013, 11:55 pm
It's legal.

Say it's to test on rats - then they can't do jack shit.

Exact same thing happened when I ordered tamoxifen citrate (nolva) for after my first steroid cycle.
Title: Re: Did I almost get busted?
Post by: eeho on February 05, 2013, 03:12 am
becareful and best of luck! dont sign anything
Title: Re: Did I almost get busted?
Post by: DESTRUCT0R on February 08, 2013, 09:36 am
Sorry to keep everyone hanging. The truth is very lame, but good news I suppose. I didn't actually speak to anyone, it was my roommate but out of laziness I used the first-person. I found the bag in my roommate's shit. He lied.

The ethylphenidate was awesome  8) 8) 8)

P.S. Asses were indeed kicked.
Title: Re: Did I almost get busted?
Post by: yello53 on February 08, 2013, 09:43 am
Wow what a fucking dick.
Title: Re: Did I almost get busted?
Post by: Best Dutch Drugs on February 08, 2013, 10:31 pm
In which country did this happen? That's some weird experience, I would personally never sign it if it got presented like that. Better safe then sorry, good choice.
Title: Re: Did I almost get busted?
Post by: LionwareTradingCo on February 08, 2013, 10:41 pm
ugh.