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Title: Approaches to battling INSOMNIA?
Post by: xblackbladex on January 17, 2013, 01:13 pm
How do you battle your Insomnia?
It can be tough, especially since most hypnotics prescribed for insomnia lose their magic fairly quickly.
Title: Re: Approaches to battling INSOMNIA?
Post by: dbz4u on January 17, 2013, 01:51 pm
Take something heavily sedating. I take zyprexa(olanzapine) for an unrelated condition, and it knocks me the fuck out. Seroquel also works well. Yes they are both atypical anti-psychotics, however they have some off-label uses. My 2 cents

Fair warning though, these drugs do block certain recreational substances. Be aware of that before taking this advice
Title: Re: Approaches to battling INSOMNIA?
Post by: xblackbladex on January 17, 2013, 01:59 pm
Ah my best friend dbz.

I was on seroquel and a number of other psych meds including respiridone at one point and it still didn't seem to work. I tried ambien for about a week and it lost it's effect rather quickly. Benzos don't work anymore unless I abuse them and I'm not trying to do that. So I sleep every other day, whatcha gonna do I guess right? I exercise every day, cut down on smoking, tried eating more at night, tried eating less. Meditation, etc etc etc. Nothing seems to work. Idk. I'm sure I'll find something eventually.
Title: Re: Approaches to battling INSOMNIA?
Post by: xblackbladex on January 17, 2013, 02:03 pm
Not even the suboxone puts me to sleep, it just helps me from going nuts. You're free to say whatever you want here so take your shots.
Title: Re: Approaches to battling INSOMNIA?
Post by: xblackbladex on January 17, 2013, 02:06 pm
I think I'm gonna try and get my hands on that new zolpidem xr they have I don't know what the brand name is but it's not Ambien, there's a new commercial for it.
Title: Re: Approaches to battling INSOMNIA?
Post by: xblackbladex on January 17, 2013, 02:08 pm
Take something heavily sedating. I take zyprexa(olanzapine) for an unrelated condition, and it knocks me the fuck out. Seroquel also works well. Yes they are both atypical anti-psychotics, however they have some off-label uses. My 2 cents

Fair warning though, these drugs do block certain recreational substances. Be aware of that before taking this advice

Yeah I'm aware of all the atypical psychotics, typical psychotics, 2nd and 3rd generation versions of them and all the off label uses they serve. They use a lot of these meds to treat virtually everything now, it's weird.
Title: Re: Approaches to battling INSOMNIA?
Post by: Duckman on January 17, 2013, 04:15 pm
Regular; exercise.
A set bedtime
A set time to get up.
Don't eat 3 hours before bed.
Don't have a TV in the bedroom.
Wear a sleeping mask if the room isn't 100% dark
Wear earplugs if there is external noise.
Make sure the room isn't too warm.
Title: Re: Approaches to battling INSOMNIA?
Post by: isthereanyneed on January 17, 2013, 04:43 pm
Regular; exercise.
A set bedtime
A set time to get up.
Don't eat 3 hours before bed.
Don't have a TV in the bedroom.
Wear a sleeping mask if the room isn't 100% dark
Wear earplugs if there is external noise.
Make sure the room isn't too warm.

This! oh and weed/hash no need for pills when mother nature has every thing for you, I was a mess before I started dont know how I managed with out it now I am not heavy toker but I always have good morning/daytime and night time weed/hash for when its needed sometimes every night or day some times not but it works simply by putting you in the right frame of mind for sleep and to those who say well I tried it and it did not agree with me you either smoked to much or just never found a strain that agreed with you, only smoke quality dont fuck about with bad cheap mass produces rubbish, start of small and slow build your tolerance.

Night time indica good for sleep strains-

Blueberry
White Rhino
Bubble Gum
Afghan Gold Seal hash
Blackberry
Pakistani Hash
Moroccan hash's vary some sativas go for darker ones.
Pineapple
Kush

Just off the top of my head lots more endless possibilities with cannabis you just have to know how to use it correctly.

Title: Re: Approaches to battling INSOMNIA?
Post by: moonflower on January 17, 2013, 09:31 pm
cannabis definitely helps me immensely with getting a good night's sleep. aside from that, the best thing i've found is jarrow formulas sleep optimizer. it's made with natural herbs and amino acids (gaba, hops flower, valerian, melatonin and tryptophan) that synergize to provide a deep, restful sleep. cheap, natural and effective! what more could you want? :D
Title: Re: Approaches to battling INSOMNIA?
Post by: wavelength on January 17, 2013, 09:36 pm
i think one of the more important things we may have not thought of is caffeine use.
try to stop drinking all coffee/soda/energy drinks and see how your sleep is after that  ;)
it is a stimulant that blocks adenosine receptors, after all  ::)
Title: Re: Approaches to battling INSOMNIA?
Post by: simplyanon on January 17, 2013, 09:49 pm
A nice, heavy indica would help with relaxing, add that at bed time and a regular work out routine and you'll be in shape AND sleeping regularly.
Title: Re: Approaches to battling INSOMNIA?
Post by: dbz4u on January 17, 2013, 11:17 pm
Ah my best friend dbz.

I was on seroquel and a number of other psych meds including respiridone at one point and it still didn't seem to work. I tried ambien for about a week and it lost it's effect rather quickly. Benzos don't work anymore unless I abuse them and I'm not trying to do that. So I sleep every other day, whatcha gonna do I guess right? I exercise every day, cut down on smoking, tried eating more at night, tried eating less. Meditation, etc etc etc. Nothing seems to work. Idk. I'm sure I'll find something eventually.

Ah i see. Those are known as some of the most heavily sedating drugs around. I understand you know of all the atypicals and such, I'm just curious if you have tried zyprexa yourself. It is the most sedating of them, and generally if one doesn't work the other might, but I'm sure you already know that. Obviously you've tried smoking weed, and other drugs. How about something more intuitive, but less obvious. Have you tried not trying to go to sleep that day, and just waiting til the next to reset your sleep cycle? I find I have to force my way through to the next day sometimes, in order to stop falling asleep at 3-5 AM all the time.
Title: Re: Approaches to battling INSOMNIA?
Post by: galacticnomad on January 18, 2013, 03:48 am
I take 2 gravol (otc anti-emetic, contains dimenhydrinate) every night. Can't sleep without it.
Title: Re: Approaches to battling INSOMNIA?
Post by: Shadowknight890 on January 18, 2013, 04:26 am
Without the use of any pills, I usually just play Video games till I get tired.... lol.
Title: Re: Approaches to battling INSOMNIA?
Post by: hee57 on January 18, 2013, 11:25 am
How do you battle your Insomnia?
It can be tough, especially since most hypnotics prescribed for insomnia lose their magic fairly quickly.

Hey, been through this. Used ambien, a ton of different benzos, low dose antidepressants (not for depression but for the insomnia) legally and illegally/nonprescribed I've used opiates, alcohol, weed, and rode stimulant crashes.

Basically, I can't seem to find anything that stays effective very long. I'm currently using triazolam which is pretty much one of the strongest benzos out there, but my plan when I'm more financially stable is to cycle each day use of benzos, hypnotics, alcohol, weed, and opiates to help sleep when I need it. Insomnia really sucks especially when it's been several days and you start hallucinating from exhaustion. Good luck.
Title: Re: Approaches to battling INSOMNIA?
Post by: melonballer on January 18, 2013, 11:32 am
My routine is to hit a couple pipes/1 hitters outside at night before bed. The difference from being cold outside to being warm when I climb into bed makes me feel really tired. I also like to have background noise when trying to get to sleep, find it much harder if the room is silent. Hope helps.
Title: Re: Approaches to battling INSOMNIA?
Post by: xblackbladex on January 18, 2013, 08:56 pm
I feel you man .Everyone is different though. In my case I've tried all the non-medicinal techniques and none of them have worked. NYQuil doesn' do shit unless I chug half a bottle. Ambien worked for 2 weeks and lost it's effect after that. It really comes down to the individual.
Title: Re: Approaches to battling INSOMNIA?
Post by: bill417 on January 18, 2013, 09:32 pm
You know what... I don't actually have any solution whatsoever for you. I'm a (moderate to very) heavy cannabis user, use it every day for my various medical ailments and that certainly helps with sleep. As that's no good I'm clueless...

However I would like to say this - I really feel for anyone who simply cannot get any sleep. Don't even want to consider how this effects people's day to day lives - I'm now retired and am at home most of the day - but for those who have to work as well... Wow.

Best of luck finding a workable solution.
Title: Re: Approaches to battling INSOMNIA?
Post by: snark on January 19, 2013, 12:50 am
I have been an insomniac for many years. I always give myself 45 minutes to an hour relaxing with a book in bed with a small light on above me, I find this helps to ease myself into sleep mode. Each night I drink a cup of camomile tea and take Melatonin. I also have Zopiclone and Lorazepam on hand for when my ritual doesn't work. Some other tips: My ability to stay asleep suffers greatly when I drink too much alcohol. A glass of red wine or two is quite helpful before bed, but I will cut myself off there. A small amount of weed can help, but I need to be extremely hydrated or I will be awake half the night reaching for water.
Title: Re: Approaches to battling INSOMNIA?
Post by: ramrugger on January 19, 2013, 01:11 am
I'm surprised no one's mentioned this, but as a long-term chronic insomnia sufferer, I don't hit the hay without 50mg+ of diphenhydramine. even that cheap stuff at any CVS or 7-11 will do - benadryl, nyquil if you can use low doses. I'm a pretty serious cannabis smoker, and rarely any weed puts me out anymore - I love me some OTC sleep aid.
Title: Re: Approaches to battling INSOMNIA?
Post by: xblackbladex on January 19, 2013, 01:59 am
I am too much of a beast for anything OTC. Only large amounts of narcotics will do it. Ive tried exercising but it just makes me more awake. Television on or off, Lights on or off, Loud or Quiet, the power of narcotics are the only answer.
Title: Re: Approaches to battling INSOMNIA?
Post by: dbz4u on January 19, 2013, 02:12 am
I am too much of a beast for anything OTC. Only large amounts of narcotics will do it. Ive tried exercising but it just makes me more awake. Television on or off, Lights on or off, Loud or Quiet, the power of narcotics are the only answer.

I am so sorry that this didn't come to mind before, considering i know someone that takes this for sleep. Take GHB. It is sold as Xyrem in the U.S. for narcolepsy, but it is a very powerful sedative which apparently gives you amazing, relaxing sleep. It works on GABA, so it actually is pretty harmless. The known effects as the "date rape drug" come from it's side effects when mixed with alchohol. There are people here who sell GHB, i would ask around blade
Title: Re: Approaches to battling INSOMNIA?
Post by: xblackbladex on January 19, 2013, 02:40 am
TY
Title: Re: Approaches to battling INSOMNIA?
Post by: dbz4u on January 19, 2013, 02:48 am
TY

I'm the winner? YES DEAR LAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWDDDDD. I WON  I WON.

No but really, if i found an option you haven't tried, thank god. I really hope my suggestion will eventually lead to bringing you the peace i know your body is crying for.
Title: Re: Approaches to battling INSOMNIA?
Post by: xblackbladex on January 19, 2013, 09:38 am
I looked at GBH and a lightbulb lit up in the ol' egg. As soon as I get paid this week I'll try some out. I hope the withdraw/deposit system is fixed already.
Title: Re: Approaches to battling INSOMNIA?
Post by: dbz4u on January 19, 2013, 09:44 am
I looked at GBH and a lightbulb lit up in the ol' egg. As soon as I get paid this week I'll try some out. I hope the withdraw/deposit system is fixed already.

Oh that's beyond fantastic. Not only did we resolve our petty squable, but i may have ended your insomnia? Honestly just glad i could help, even more so than that we put our differences aside. Please please send me a message letting me know how it goes, and do your homework on dosages(I'm sure you will, just a friendly reminder). I REALLY hope this works out for you man, and ends this shit for you. Good luck, and may the vendor you choose be an honest, upstanding Roader
Title: Re: Approaches to battling INSOMNIA?
Post by: hee57 on January 19, 2013, 11:22 am
I am too much of a beast for anything OTC. Only large amounts of narcotics will do it. Ive tried exercising but it just makes me more awake. Television on or off, Lights on or off, Loud or Quiet, the power of narcotics are the only answer.

This is me. And whenever I bring up insomnia people are always like, oh take nyquil. Yeah, melatonin, chamomile, diphendydramine, doxylamine, valerian root, nope. All that works are narcotics. No "changes in my sleep pattern/routing fix this."
Title: Re: Approaches to battling INSOMNIA?
Post by: dbz4u on January 19, 2013, 12:28 pm
I am too much of a beast for anything OTC. Only large amounts of narcotics will do it. Ive tried exercising but it just makes me more awake. Television on or off, Lights on or off, Loud or Quiet, the power of narcotics are the only answer.

This is me. And whenever I bring up insomnia people are always like, oh take nyquil. Yeah, melatonin, chamomile, diphendydramine, doxylamine, valerian root, nope. All that works are narcotics. No "changes in my sleep pattern/routing fix this."

I am now officially referring anyone with chronic insomnia to please take a look at GHB. I have done a little research on this stuff, and when it is prescribed it is for chronic sleep disorders. This really is something most people wouldn't consider or haven't thought of. It works on a very small molecule in your brain, will have very few if any interactions with most drugs(DO NOT MIX WITH ALCHOHOL. THIS IS WHY IT WAS MADE ILLEGAL UNDER THE DATE RAPE DRUG ARGUMENT). If you can avoid alchohol, and do your research on how this interacts with other substances you wish to try, i think this might very well be the end to your sleep issues. I hope someone here will be able to recommend you a good GHB vendor, if not, please start a thread on the rumor mill inquiring as to how to obtain some without a hassle.

May you all sleep peacefully and blissfully, I know the pain of insomnia, true relief can do wonders
Title: Re: Approaches to battling INSOMNIA?
Post by: Christy Nugs on January 20, 2013, 01:57 am
How do you battle your Insomnia?
It can be tough, especially since most hypnotics prescribed for insomnia lose their magic fairly quickly.

i have found that supplements can be quite useful.
i would suggest trying :
hour before bed taking calcium, magnesium. a 1 to 2 ratio respectively
if u are under 30 like me nothing else at bedtime is needed.
it is however my understanding that if ur an old fart u will also need
to take a 100mg or less hydrochloric acid pill and plenty of water as the calcium is not
absorbed in a digestive system that is acid deficient.

the other thing i would suggest is a 5 micro-gram pill of lithium orotate and a good fish or krill
oil pill in the am when u wake up. also in the am take a methyl b-12 pill.
EDIT: i forgot about the alpha lipoic acid in the am and pm  :P

everyone is different so i have not mentioned the dosages.
i only weigh 120 lbs so if ur a guy or chunkey u will need more.
if u r interested - pm me here so i can give u a better answer.

u will sleep like a baby!

its completely cheap and wont ruin ur liver!
Title: Re: Approaches to battling INSOMNIA?
Post by: gambino on January 20, 2013, 03:11 am
I looked at GBH and a lightbulb lit up in the ol' egg. As soon as I get paid this week I'll try some out. I hope the withdraw/deposit system is fixed already.

A bit of advice on the ghb:  Dose matters a lot.  Take too little and it will not put you out.  Take too much and you will get a strong rebound effect that will will have you wide awake after only 2 to 3 hours sleep.  So you have to find the sweet spot for you.  Also, stomach contents matter a lot.  For me, empty stomach dosing works best.  On a full stomach, my dose could be twice as much and the level of effects for a given dose are harder to predict.

Good luck from a fellow insomnia sufferer.
Title: Re: Approaches to battling INSOMNIA?
Post by: dbz4u on January 20, 2013, 04:03 am
I looked at GBH and a lightbulb lit up in the ol' egg. As soon as I get paid this week I'll try some out. I hope the withdraw/deposit system is fixed already.

A bit of advice on the ghb:  Dose matters a lot.  Take too little and it will not put you out.  Take too much and you will get a strong rebound effect that will will have you wide awake after only 2 to 3 hours sleep.  So you have to find the sweet spot for you.  Also, stomach contents matter a lot.  For me, empty stomach dosing works best.  On a full stomach, my dose could be twice as much and the level of effects for a given dose are harder to predict.

Good luck from a fellow insomnia sufferer.

Please post all of your dosing instructions and recommendations on the substance if you don't mind. All i know is of it's effectiveness, i have never used it myself and I am in no way a medical professional. I would certainly appreciate a little background on usage here for members considering this substance as an option
Title: Re: Approaches to battling INSOMNIA?
Post by: sunny1 on January 20, 2013, 11:04 pm
GHB is just another benzo and while it will work, it will produce tolerance after a while just like everything else. I've been on this merry go round for years and i have found no magical answers.

What works best for me is to take something different each day and do not take the same general category of meds two days in a row or very often. For example, i take benzos 2x per week but not 2 days in a row and i use different ones. I use kpins and lorazepam. I use ambien once a week, seroquel once, pot once, olanzapine once, mirtazapine once.

Even with this strategy tolerance is creeping in. Another trick i use to keep from upping the dose is to use something weak with it that doesn't work by itself but works with the main ingredient. For example, a gram of gaba or 6 to 9 mg melatonin or 1/2 an etizolam.
Title: Re: Approaches to battling INSOMNIA?
Post by: dbz4u on January 20, 2013, 11:14 pm
another one i have heard some people swear by is melatonin. That one is just OTC, it's a natural hormone produced in your body which you can get at any pharmacy or any general nutrition  store
Title: Re: Approaches to battling INSOMNIA?
Post by: ramrugger on January 21, 2013, 02:05 am
another one i have heard some people swear by is melatonin. That one is just OTC, it's a natural hormone produced in your body which you can get at any pharmacy or any general nutrition  store

this, although I do caution that some people (I'm one of them) can have an adverse reaction to melatonin. I tried it once, and my tongue and throat swelled up over the course of the night. that seems to be the reaction among those (very few) who have bad times with it.
Title: Re: Approaches to battling INSOMNIA?
Post by: dbz4u on January 21, 2013, 02:09 am
another one i have heard some people swear by is melatonin. That one is just OTC, it's a natural hormone produced in your body which you can get at any pharmacy or any general nutrition  store

this, although I do caution that some people (I'm one of them) can have an adverse reaction to melatonin. I tried it once, and my tongue and throat swelled up over the course of the night. that seems to be the reaction among those (very few) who have bad times with it.

Oh it gave me nightmares and cold sweats. Not for me. However, i know some people that say they absolutely can't get to sleep without it, so at least worth a try if you haven't yet
Title: Re: Approaches to battling INSOMNIA?
Post by: kitkat82 on January 21, 2013, 02:41 am
Step one: Lay in bed.
Step two: Open up a copy of "A Tale of Two Cities" by Charles Dickens

If that doesn't work...you will have to pull out the big guns

Plan B: Open up a copy of "The Pilgrim's Progress" by John Bunyan

If that doesn't help then I think you are beyond human aid. 
Title: Re: Approaches to battling INSOMNIA?
Post by: dbz4u on January 21, 2013, 02:58 am
Step one: Lay in bed.
Step two: Open up a copy of "A Tale of Two Cities" by Charles Dickens

If that doesn't work...you will have to pull out the big guns

Plan B: Open up a copy of "The Pilgrim's Progress" by John Bunyan

If that doesn't help then I think you are beyond human aid.

Plan C read my community college's professor's self written poly sci book from a few years ago. If you can survive that book with non-words like "homeplaces", you are the winner of the internet
Title: Re: Approaches to battling INSOMNIA?
Post by: Scampony on January 21, 2013, 03:07 am
I'm gonna have to jump on the heavy indica canabis bandwagon, take look at some black domina or some ortega nugs.
Title: Re: Approaches to battling INSOMNIA?
Post by: steady01 on January 21, 2013, 11:01 am
If you are a stimulant user I would suggest having some good benzos on hand to knock your ass out if needed. The best available I have found are halcion & dormicum. Old friends xanax, ativan, & kolonopin are more recreational but work.

You don't want to take the same benzo too many nights in a row or for more than a couple weeks. I didn't sleep for almost a month due to suboxone withdrawal & I tried the following without success: Tylenol PM, trazadone, seroquel, lunesta, sonata, ambien, doxepin, & a shit ton of herbal supplements. I finally gave up & bought a weeks worth of xanax & slept like a champ.
Title: Re: Approaches to battling INSOMNIA?
Post by: dbz4u on January 21, 2013, 11:09 am
If you are a stimulant user I would suggest having some good benzos on hand to knock your ass out if needed. The best available I have found are halcion & dormicum. Old friends xanax, ativan, & kolonopin are more recreational but work.

You don't want to take the same benzo too many nights in a row or for more than a couple weeks. I didn't sleep for almost a month due to suboxone withdrawal & I tried the following without success: Tylenol PM, trazadone, seroquel, lunesta, sonata, ambien, doxepin, & a shit ton of herbal supplements. I finally gave up & bought a weeks worth of xanax & slept like a champ.

Tylenol pm is just Acetominaphin and benedryl. Nothing special there. Same stuff in Nyquil btw.

Trazadone seems to only be effective in high doses(around 150 mg plus from my experience, it scales to 300), but i really didn't like the way it interacted with weed. It was causing a lot of headaches, which lead to irritibility and caused other mood side effects. It was developed as an anti-depressant after all.

Seroquel and Zyprexa are two very powerful and sedating atypical-antipsychotics that are sometimes prescribed for off-label sleep use. Seroquel more than zyprexa as far as i know, at least in the States.
Title: Re: Approaches to battling INSOMNIA?
Post by: steady01 on January 21, 2013, 12:19 pm

Tylenol pm is just Acetominaphin and benedryl. Nothing special there. Same stuff in Nyquil btw.
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Yea, I am aware of benedryl, I shot heroin for 3 years.

For those who kick suboxone with nothing more than loperide & baths I salute you. My experience was fucking horrible, I was on 24 - 16 - 8 - 4 - 2 - .5 - .25ish total gram/day for 2 years before I stepped off.
Title: Re: Approaches to battling INSOMNIA?
Post by: BlueGiraffe on February 20, 2013, 09:06 pm
GHB is just another benzo and while it will work, it will produce tolerance after a while just like everything else. I've been on this merry go round for years and i have found no magical answers.

What works best for me is to take something different each day and do not take the same general category of meds two days in a row or very often. For example, i take benzos 2x per week but not 2 days in a row and i use different ones. I use kpins and lorazepam. I use ambien once a week, seroquel once, pot once, olanzapine once, mirtazapine once.

Even with this strategy tolerance is creeping in. Another trick i use to keep from upping the dose is to use something weak with it that doesn't work by itself but works with the main ingredient. For example, a gram of gaba or 6 to 9 mg melatonin or 1/2 an etizolam.

Just to clarify. GHB is not a benzo - but has some similarities of action. Gambino's point re dosing above is valid. When using GHB you want to take smallest amount possible the is just enough to tip you over the edge. And no more.

Melatonin and Sceletium are two other things you can look at. Another is cut all stimulants even tea and coffee if you haven't already. And ore exercise during the day,

BG
Title: Re: Approaches to battling INSOMNIA?
Post by: Ron Swanson on February 22, 2013, 08:37 am
download all the ricky gervais podcasts, lie in bed, close your eyes and if you can stop yourself laughing it's the nicest way to drift off. if you don't think ricky gervais is a pretentious arse that is. karl pilkington is my favourite person in the world, everything that comes out his mouth is pure gold. the guy from an idiot abroad, "manc twat with a head like a fucking orange". you could listen to any podcast really or an audiobook. i just find it helps if you can close your eyes

or cannabis should get the job done
Title: Re: Approaches to battling INSOMNIA?
Post by: gingerballs on February 22, 2013, 09:57 am
for the past 3 weeks i've been falling asleep with the help of zolpidem tartrate.. i only take 2.5 mgs though (1/4th a pill). with such small amounts, it actually requires some effort to fall asleep.. but without it, i wouldn't be able to sleep until 4 or 5 AM.
Title: Re: Approaches to battling INSOMNIA?
Post by: angel555 on February 22, 2013, 01:20 pm
Only have sleep problems when i've been on stimulants, I literally can't sleep.

Smoking weed makes it worse which is weird it like makes me more tired but i cant shut down my mind

most of the time i have to ride it out, alcohol helps alot but only if i haven't been drinking up until then as it doesn't effect me
Title: Re: Approaches to battling INSOMNIA?
Post by: indianpilldaddy on February 22, 2013, 07:56 pm
try them benzos mate!! try klonopin, you will end up sleeping on the floor...  lol
Title: Re: Approaches to battling INSOMNIA?
Post by: oldtoby on February 23, 2013, 03:07 am
White noise. Some interesting variants on youtube, but having a fan running does it for me. Ocean waves are even better (CD/mp3 if you're not near the ocean).

Exercise. A little cardio and a lot of weights.
Title: Re: Approaches to battling INSOMNIA?
Post by: LionwareTradingCo on February 25, 2013, 03:06 am
hash oil 100%%%%%%%

no doubt about it.

good luck
Title: Re: Approaches to battling INSOMNIA?
Post by: David888 on February 25, 2013, 12:23 pm
So if you don't wanna take bezos etc. because of the tolerance, Clozapine is an option, anti psychotic that really will knock you out much stronger than olanzapine, seroquel etc.
Title: Re: Approaches to battling INSOMNIA?
Post by: BishBash on February 25, 2013, 05:33 pm
I used to take prescribed medications for insomnia but stopped when I found the wonders of Cannabis, combined with lifestyle changes and I deal with it just fine without the meds now.

I just make sure I've had enough exercise (mental or physical!) throughout the day. And make sure I've had a productive day. Do NOT exercise a few hours before sleeping as this will make you feel more active, not less. Also, don't eat a few hours before sleeping, and if you have to make it a small portion and something that's a slow release of energy (fats, not sugars). Don't shower before bed either, as that wakes you up. And don't play video games / poker for an hour or so before sleeping either, as that makes your brain very active.

Also, for me, making sure I've had a productive day where I'm happy with what I've achieved that day, and then end it with a fat blazing session for your reward sends me straight off to sleep. Back in the day when my insomnia was at its peak, I used to smoke throughout the day, do nothing productive and have depressive thoughts when I was trying to sleep.

Now I get off my arse, do useful things with my time as often as I can and the cannabis at the end is the reward and the sleep aid in one.

Don't need pills anymore.
I don't even use chemical sleep aids after a night out on MDMA anymore.

Hope this post helps someone anyway, I know how fucking shit it can be sometimes. Even now, my insomnia comes and goes on occasion, I've not fully conquered it and probably never will. But what I spoke about above really helps me get my rest :)
Title: Re: Approaches to battling INSOMNIA?
Post by: flaxceed on February 26, 2013, 12:09 pm
Xanax, Valium, or for the really tough cases Dormicum.
Title: Re: Approaches to battling INSOMNIA?
Post by: TheBusiness on February 26, 2013, 12:19 pm
Forget the downers, just try uppers for 3 days - then enjoy the best night's sleep of your god dammed life.
Title: Re: Approaches to battling INSOMNIA?
Post by: hee57 on February 26, 2013, 06:44 pm
Forget the downers, just try uppers for 3 days - then enjoy the best night's sleep of your god dammed life.

Haha, I did this for awhile when ambien wasn't doing jack shit for me other than make me crazy. Would alternate using amphetamines or caffeine to just be awake for 3 or 4 days without being tired and then just crash. You end up just feeling fried + you still get a lot of the nasty side effects from no sleep that us insomniacs are trying to avoid (hallucinations from sleep deprivation are scary....)
Title: Re: Approaches to battling INSOMNIA?
Post by: pinkkush on February 26, 2013, 07:45 pm
Forget the downers, just try uppers for 3 days - then enjoy the best night's sleep of your god dammed life.

how the hell can you function in daily life doing shit like this? unless you dont work or anything and just sit at home all day doing drugs, this isnt really a viable option


Title: Re: Approaches to battling INSOMNIA?
Post by: chil on February 26, 2013, 07:46 pm
i think one of the more important things we may have not thought of is caffeine use.
try to stop drinking all coffee/soda/energy drinks and see how your sleep is after that  ;)
it is a stimulant that blocks adenosine receptors, after all  ::)

The best advice in this thread.

I've done that in the past, when living in Africa, and it was amazing how fast I would fall asleep. Drugs (any of them) for sleep will just make you dependent.

Title: Re: Approaches to battling INSOMNIA?
Post by: hee57 on February 26, 2013, 09:42 pm
Forget the downers, just try uppers for 3 days - then enjoy the best night's sleep of your god dammed life.

how the hell can you function in daily life doing shit like this? unless you dont work or anything and just sit at home all day doing drugs, this isnt really a viable option

Are you kidding? You get so much done on uppers. My grades in school were fucking amazing while I was able to maintain this tho I felt either insane or like complete shit a lot.
Title: Re: Approaches to battling INSOMNIA?
Post by: pinkkush on February 26, 2013, 10:18 pm
Forget the downers, just try uppers for 3 days - then enjoy the best night's sleep of your god dammed life.

how the hell can you function in daily life doing shit like this? unless you dont work or anything and just sit at home all day doing drugs, this isnt really a viable option

Are you kidding? You get so much done on uppers. My grades in school were fucking amazing while I was able to maintain this tho I felt either insane or like complete shit a lot.

i still fail to see the value in forcing yourself to stay awake for days and days at a time. i dont need drugs to get things done because im not a lazy fuck.
Title: Re: Approaches to battling INSOMNIA?
Post by: Christy Nugs on February 27, 2013, 02:03 am
u guys r funny  :P
Title: Re: Approaches to battling INSOMNIA?
Post by: TheGreenXchange on February 27, 2013, 02:08 am
a fat bowl and some "alone time" usually does it for me.
Title: Re: Approaches to battling INSOMNIA?
Post by: Ron Swanson on February 27, 2013, 03:01 am
oh the caffeine thing. truth. i'm on day 5 detox and i can't stop yawning. i'm not even a coffee drinker, just pepsi!
Title: Re: Approaches to battling INSOMNIA?
Post by: purplebirds1234 on February 27, 2013, 03:52 am
copious excercise or the good ole mary jane
Title: Re: Approaches to battling INSOMNIA?
Post by: hee57 on February 27, 2013, 04:29 am
Forget the downers, just try uppers for 3 days - then enjoy the best night's sleep of your god dammed life.

how the hell can you function in daily life doing shit like this? unless you dont work or anything and just sit at home all day doing drugs, this isnt really a viable option

Are you kidding? You get so much done on uppers. My grades in school were fucking amazing while I was able to maintain this tho I felt either insane or like complete shit a lot.

i still fail to see the value in forcing yourself to stay awake for days and days at a time. i dont need drugs to get things done because im not a lazy fuck.

Well let's see. Put yourselves in our shoes. You're not going to sleep for at least a couple days because you're an insomniac. You can either feel tired by the end of day one. Start to feel lousy by day 2. Start to feel really miserable by day 3. And around days 4 and 5 a lot more effects become pronounced as well. By about day 2 focusing on work is difficult and you just feel like shit.
OR....
You take uppers around the end of day one, feel alert and awake throughout the entire bender, manage to get work done, and ride the crash to get yourself to fall asleep.

Which do you think is better? I'm not lazy, I have trouble working when I haven't slept in 72 hours and can't think straight but am still not able to fall asleep.
Go fuck yourself, you prick. I'm anything but lazy and perfectly capable of working sober.