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Discussion => Silk Road discussion => Topic started by: DrJewberg on September 23, 2012, 04:58 pm

Title: Requiring 5 star feedback;
Post by: DrJewberg on September 23, 2012, 04:58 pm
I've noticed that there are quite a few members that require that once you order, you must finalize early and leave a perfect feedback prior to their shipping. I could understand finalizing early (I could care less for small orders since I mostly order bulk), since the bitcoin rate is more unstable than cancer, but there should be a rule in place where vendors cannot demand 5/5 ratings, because that just helps vendors build a false reputation; and I'm not sure about the rest of you, but when I started here I was at around 15 orders before I even looked in the forums, so just to keep new or old buyers safe from these sorts of things.
Title: Re: Requiring 5 star feedback;
Post by: UltimateSolution on September 23, 2012, 05:16 pm
No man think about it!

Anything below 5/5 means the transaction was not completely satisfactory. Why should the seller have statistics that indicate he has done something bad? People will see him, look at his stats and think "oh this is a new seller, obviously doing something wrong because of the stats" and that's how the person will perceive the seller, ignoring him in the future.

Besides, people would forget to change it back. Man you earn all those 5/5 then one little cunts fucks it up with a 1/5 and all of a sudden your stats are fucked even though you have all those 5/5s.
Title: Re: Requiring 5 star feedback;
Post by: jameslink2 on September 23, 2012, 05:16 pm
#1 Do not Finalize early!
#2 If you are thinking about finalizing early follow rule #1


The truth is, there is no requirement that you leave feedback when you finalize. You can finalize with out leaving any feedback. With that in mind I agree, requiring a 5/5 on FE is bullshit and should be banned!
Title: Re: Requiring 5 star feedback;
Post by: DrJewberg on September 23, 2012, 05:28 pm
If you're a great vendor that has 100% positive feedback, you won't need to worry about that "cunt that fucks it up" because you would have given them the same excellent service as the rest of your customers.
But I completely agree with everything jameslink2 stated, so yeah. I think admins should enforce it on the market.
Title: Re: Requiring 5 star feedback;
Post by: UltimateSolution on September 23, 2012, 05:36 pm
#1 Do not Finalize early!
#2 If you are thinking about finalizing early follow rule #1


The truth is, there is no requirement that you leave feedback when you finalize. You can finalize with out leaving any feedback. With that in mind I agree, requiring a 5/5 on FE is bullshit and should be banned!
Vendors should be able to make their own terms as long as they're not unclear or misleading. If you don't like a vendor's terms it's simple, don't buy.
Title: Re: Requiring 5 star feedback;
Post by: microRNA on September 23, 2012, 06:35 pm
I definitely agree i will not be supporting these vendors - i had never seen a vendor REQUIRE you leave 5/5 feedback until recently... wtf is up with that??

the feedback system is there for a reason and if you are unwilling to actually provide a level of service to EARN your reputation rather than requiring just to boost ones seller rating/score. bullshit -

the vendor deathb4dishonor has over TEN pages of feedback in the last week, ALL finalized early and all listings with the stipulation that no matter whether your order arrives, whether the product or service is absolute shit... no matter what - you agree to leave a 5/5. fucking dishonorable if you ask me

i can understand vendors wanting people to leave 5/5 if they FE rather than a lower score while waiting for the order (although as was mentioned no feedback should be submitted, just FE then wait till order arrives to submit feedback), but certainly not this requiring false feedback score even after the order arrives
Title: Re: Requiring 5 star feedback;
Post by: UltimateSolution on September 23, 2012, 06:44 pm
I definitely agree i will not be supporting these vendors - i had never seen a vendor REQUIRE you leave 5/5 feedback until recently... wtf is up with that??

the feedback system is there for a reason and if you are unwilling to actually provide a level of service to EARN your reputation rather than requiring just to boost ones seller rating/score. bullshit -

the vendor deathb4dishonor has over TEN pages of feedback in the last week, ALL finalized early and all listings with the stipulation that no matter whether your order arrives, whether the product or service is absolute shit... no matter what - you agree to leave a 5/5. fucking dishonorable if you ask me

i can understand vendors wanting people to leave 5/5 if they FE rather than a lower score while waiting for the order (although as was mentioned no feedback should be submitted, just FE then wait till order arrives to submit feedback), but certainly not this requiring false feedback score even after the order arrives
I think vendors just mean that they don't want people FE then writing something like "FE, I am leaving 1/5 for now, the vendor has to earn 5/5 rating" (I've actually seen this). This is WRONG because you are bringing down the vendors feedback and he hasn't done anything wrong.
Title: Re: Requiring 5 star feedback;
Post by: blowdrobro on September 23, 2012, 06:50 pm
#1 Do not Finalize early!
#2 If you are thinking about finalizing early follow rule #1


The truth is, there is no requirement that you leave feedback when you finalize. You can finalize with out leaving any feedback. With that in mind I agree, requiring a 5/5 on FE is bullshit and should be banned!
Vendors should be able to make their own terms as long as they're not unclear or misleading. If you don't like a vendor's terms it's simple, don't buy.

This. That's what free trade is all about.
Title: Re: Requiring 5 star feedback;
Post by: jameslink2 on September 23, 2012, 06:50 pm
I definitely agree i will not be supporting these vendors - i had never seen a vendor REQUIRE you leave 5/5 feedback until recently... wtf is up with that??

the feedback system is there for a reason and if you are unwilling to actually provide a level of service to EARN your reputation rather than requiring just to boost ones seller rating/score. bullshit -

the vendor deathb4dishonor has over TEN pages of feedback in the last week, ALL finalized early and all listings with the stipulation that no matter whether your order arrives, whether the product or service is absolute shit... no matter what - you agree to leave a 5/5. fucking dishonorable if you ask me

i can understand vendors wanting people to leave 5/5 if they FE rather than a lower score while waiting for the order (although as was mentioned no feedback should be submitted, just FE then wait till order arrives to submit feedback), but certainly not this requiring false feedback score even after the order arrives
I think vendors just mean that they don't want people FE then writing something like "FE, I am leaving 1/5 for now, the vendor has to earn 5/5 rating" (I've actually seen this). This is WRONG because you are bringing down the vendors feedback and he hasn't done anything wrong.

There is a general consistence that requiring an FE should not be rated about a 4/5 because of the FE. If you think about it, if the vendor requires an FE then the sale did not go 100% as good as it could have.
Title: Re: Requiring 5 star feedback;
Post by: microRNA on September 23, 2012, 10:53 pm
I definitely agree i will not be supporting these vendors - i had never seen a vendor REQUIRE you leave 5/5 feedback until recently... wtf is up with that??

the feedback system is there for a reason and if you are unwilling to actually provide a level of service to EARN your reputation rather than requiring just to boost ones seller rating/score. bullshit -

the vendor deathb4dishonor has over TEN pages of feedback in the last week, ALL finalized early and all listings with the stipulation that no matter whether your order arrives, whether the product or service is absolute shit... no matter what - you agree to leave a 5/5. fucking dishonorable if you ask me

i can understand vendors wanting people to leave 5/5 if they FE rather than a lower score while waiting for the order (although as was mentioned no feedback should be submitted, just FE then wait till order arrives to submit feedback), but certainly not this requiring false feedback score even after the order arrives
I think vendors just mean that they don't want people FE then writing something like "FE, I am leaving 1/5 for now, the vendor has to earn 5/5 rating" (I've actually seen this). This is WRONG because you are bringing down the vendors feedback and he hasn't done anything wrong.

that is exactly what i said at the end... you must have mis-understood my post - "i understand vendors wanting people to leave a 5/5 for FE rather than a lower score while waiting for the order" 

like i said if you read my post - i am talking about deathb4dishonor who REQUIRES everyone FE and that you leave 5/5 no matter what even after the order arrives. i cant say it any more clearly... its a stipulation you can only order if you agree to leave 5/5 even if your order does not arrive, or if the product is poor quality.   no matter how your order went you must leave 5/5 or be blacklisted. 
Title: Re: Requiring 5 star feedback;
Post by: DownForThenLeft on December 09, 2012, 09:40 am
Thought I'd add - it's not that straightforward when one has just joined SR and is looking to do first time business. I wrote to vendors I thought would be good to do business with. Some replied. Others didn't. I thought that was the best way to start a reputation. In the cases of those who said "sure thing" and invited my custom, all required I FE. What's a new guy supposed to do?

We are here because the sellers in RL have rubbish that is expensive to boot. We can't dicate to  vendors that will deal with newbies. They have the power and if we want to be part of the community and build a trading reputation  - we have to do as the vendor asks. After several succesfull transactions we no longer have to FE and can at that point forth enjoy protection.
Title: Re: Requiring 5 star feedback;
Post by: redsox23 on December 09, 2012, 10:35 am
apt moniker
Title: Re: Requiring 5 star feedback;
Post by: johnboygreen on December 09, 2012, 10:27 pm
26 transactions and i have NEVER finalized early. If a vendor requires FE i move on to someone else. 8)
Title: Re: Requiring 5 star feedback;
Post by: Harmful Hits on December 10, 2012, 02:16 am
This is a great thread and I understand where the OP is coming from but I view it from a different perspective. The way I see it is that if a vendor is requiring FE and good feedback that is between that vendor and their customers, I am not buying so whats the difference to me.
Title: Re: Requiring 5 star feedback;
Post by: kitkat82 on December 10, 2012, 02:30 am


the vendor deathb4dishonor has over TEN pages of feedback in the last week, ALL finalized early and all listings with the stipulation that no matter whether your order arrives, whether the product or service is absolute shit... no matter what - you agree to leave a 5/5. fucking dishonorable if you ask me


Seriously!  HOW is he even still a vendor?  This really, really pisses me off.