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Title: Official 2C-P thread - info, experiences and thoughts
Post by: Ballzinator on November 25, 2012, 01:49 am
I'm starting this thread because I think that 2C-P is among the most underrated psychedelics ever. Let's start with the basics:
2C-P is the longest-lasting and most potent of the better-known 2Cs (D, E, P, B, C, I) with a duration of 10-20 hours and typical doses of 2-16mg. It shares most of its effect profile with it's alkylated cousins D and E with a few very interesting exceptions. It can cause auditory hallucinations as well as out-of-body experiences and ego-softening or even ego-loss. It is also a substantially better creativity-enhancer at low to moderate doses.
2C-P is the most visual in the realm of the alkylated 2Cs but it is still considerably less visual than some of the better-known halogenated (B, C, I) or thionated (T-2, T-7) ones.
I encourage everyone to ask questions and post additional info, most importantly experience reports. The second post in this thread will be one of my own reports.

What the SR community thinks about 2C-P so far:
I will assume by the emoticon you are aware of how mindfuckingly strong 2c-p is and how steep the dose/response curve is. Since 10mg is a light dose of I, I would probably go with the P and triple check my measurements before dosing.
Just check the wiki on the P and then choose

Happy trips :)
From my experience, 2cp lasts a lot longer than e or I. Like 12 hours long. Plan accordingly. It's heavy like e but not as dark, more like brooding. It helps me with critical thinking. And it's not nearly as visual a drug like 2ci.
I forgot to mention, 2cp takes a long time to hit you. 3 or 4 hours if I remember correctly. So please don't top off if you don't feel the effects after a couple of hours, it'll come, just be patience.
Oh sweet jesus....2c-p is insane. Prepare to lose a full day if you do take it.

I have taken it twice and it is the closest thing to mescaline of any of the 2cs. (for better or worse)
2C-P  - very potent, very wide spectrum of effects. Low doses are very fun without negative effects for most people. Higher doses are more entheogenic and with more negative side effects (I got serious stomach cramps, and very heavy body load) . I'm very curious to experiment with this one more.
2c-p, oh my love. very sexy item but intranasal is just INSANE!
of all the 2cX's ive come into contact over the years (2ce/i/c/d/t7/t2) P is the one that hit me like a ton of bricks.
thinking back it still provieds me with a "wicked" smerk.
2C-P is more fun/recreational at 6-8mg. Strange that you're not getting much visuals. About mood swings - when I took 10-11mg. of it I felt like a teenage girl having pms or something like that - very emotional, constant mood changes, horny one second, sad another. Oh, and comedown takes ages. I usually can sleep only 20-24 hours after taking good dose of 2C-P..
Certainly psychedelics (the 2C's and mushrooms especially). I feel as though we have so much more to say during a trip, as we become more creative and introspective. Some of the most heartfelt lyrics and essays I have written were under the influence of either a psychedelic. Some of my friends still in college swear by Adderall, but to each their own.
2C-P is known specifically for increasing creativity and I can confirm that. I suggest you try it, kingsandman :)
Title: Re: Official 2C-P thread - info, experiences and thoughts
Post by: Ballzinator on November 25, 2012, 01:50 am
Date of experience: 10/05/2012
Age: 20
Sex: male
Weight: 81kg
Prescription medicine: none
Chronic illnesses: Attention Deficit Disorder
Other notes: none
Substance(s) and dosages (if known), method and time frame of administration if multiple:
2C-P, ~3-4mg, intranasal, T+0h

Report:
Because my scale isn't very accurate at low quantities, I weighed out a larger amount. I weighed it multiple times and I got consistent readings of 10-11mg. Then I divided it in three equal piles and snorted one of them. I have read about 2C-P giving people unbearable nasal burning sensations but I found it to be only slightly more painful than snorting a large dose of Methylone or 4-MEC.

T+0:10h
Damn, this is coming on fast! If taken orally, it takes one full hour to feel the first effects of 2C-P but after only 10 minutes of snorting it I'm already half-way where I want to get. I feel slightly nauseous.

T+0:20h
Unfortunately I have to throw up. Fortunately I haven't eaten anything today. The effects are already stronger than I thought they would get. That's not a bad thing though. No anxiety whatsoever.

T+0:30h
I throw up a second and last time. The effects are still intensifying. I'm watching stupid shit on the internet until I peak.

T+0:45h
The effects are not getting any more intense. Everything I see is moving/morphing/shifting in fantastic ways. I see patterns on plain-colored surfaces. For example, I'm reading YouTube comments and the white background behind the text turns into a wall with graffiti of awesome detail.

T+0:55h
I decide to take my phone and my good headphones (Creative SoundBlaster Tactic3D Sigma), put on some psychedelic music and let my thoughts drift while laying on my bed in a dark room. I choose the Album "Blue Moon Station" by Solar Fields (amazing music and artist!!!).
Despite the stimulating effects of 2C-P I can enter a hypnagogic/sleep paralysis kinda state rather easily (I'm a proud lucid dreamer :D). The music and my thoughts create extremely plastic and vivid imagery and scenery. I won't even try to explain that. People who have had full-blown psychedelic experiences will know what I'm talking about though.

T+2:15h
The music is coming to an end and I'm coming back from a fantastic journey through my mind. I'm still trippin' ballz but not as intensely as before. I continue to enjoy the stimulating and sensory-enhancing effects of 2C-P. The weather is beautiful (25°C where I live) so I decide to go in the garden and let my thoughts drift some more.

T+5:20h
I decide to write this report. I'm still feeling the effects of 2C-P quite clearly but nowhere near as intensely as before.


This is my first experience report. Please give feedback on what I did right and wrong :)
Title: Re: Official 2C-P thread - info, experiences and thoughts
Post by: BruceCampbell on November 25, 2012, 02:19 am
I've had 2C-P and it was overwhelming. I was not expecting to be tripping for that long. After awhile it was exhausting and I couldn't sleep. It was pretty intense. I could imagine with a better setting it being more pleasurable but with my experience, yikes. Tripping balls is the only way to describe it. I became one with the pudding, and the animals, and the sands. (there isn't any sand around here)
Title: Re: Official 2C-P thread - info, experiences and thoughts
Post by: Ballzinator on November 25, 2012, 02:28 am
I've had 2C-P and it was overwhelming. I was not expecting to be tripping for that long. After awhile it was exhausting and I couldn't sleep. It was pretty intense. I could imagine with a better setting it being more pleasurable but with my experience, yikes. Tripping balls is the only way to describe it. I became one with the pudding, and the animals, and the sands. (there isn't any sand around here)
It's definitely a demanding drug that requires planning. The day before I trip I go to bed two hours early to wake up two hours early the next morning and immediately drop the 2C-P after a light breakfast. That way, the trip has minimal impact on my sleeping cycle.
Title: Re: Official 2C-P thread - info, experiences and thoughts
Post by: Ballzinator on November 25, 2012, 02:46 am
Nice thread Ballzinator, read a lot of good things about 2c-p. Just curious, with that 3-4mg dose range how long do you expect the effects to last?
Roughly somewhere between eight and twelve hours, depending on where you draw the line between effects and after-effects.
Title: Re: Official 2C-P thread - info, experiences and thoughts
Post by: BruceCampbell on November 25, 2012, 03:33 am
You've inspired me to read some PIHKAL entries Ballzinator. Adding to my to do list.
Title: Re: Official 2C-P thread - info, experiences and thoughts
Post by: Ballzinator on November 25, 2012, 05:02 pm
Brilliant, sounds much more manageable than 20 hours. After-effects from psychedelics are fairly manageable\pleasant, for me anyway.

Sorry to bombard you with questions, but could you shed any light on the purity\quality and accuracy in labeling of the 2c-p vendors on SR? I've just heard stories of the Chinese suppliers that are unfavorable to say the least.
I got my 2C-P on buy-jwh.com, a clearnet vendor located in Spain, so I can't say anything about SR vendors.
Title: Re: Official 2C-P thread - info, experiences and thoughts
Post by: tintor on November 25, 2012, 05:20 pm
I'm just high on 2c-p right now,it's started about 18 hours ago and still continuing somehow...so I will be here in a few hours later when I'll be more ready to share thoughts.Very nice thread I guess,thank you for this Ballzinator.
Title: Re: Official 2C-P thread - info, experiences and thoughts
Post by: tintor on November 25, 2012, 09:44 pm
Ok, I have took 60mgs of 2c-p last night and I'm still feeling it.First of all I know this dose doesn't seems normal and I can't say it's normal but I was in total control of myself almost every moment of the trip.But of course I can't recommend this dose to anyone.Maybe I can't smoke the weed as you can smoke but simply I'm good on 60mgs of 2c-p.Usually I don't take it this much my ordinary dose is about 25-30 mg but when I want to feel the electricity in my whole body and synapses between the neurons I just need to take it that much.Actually I can feel this electricity and vibrations on 30-40 mg 2c-e but 2c-p is very different and has clearer head  than 2c-e for me.When I take 30 mg 2c-e,I don't need to listen to music for feeling the vibrations and electricity,I just lie down to bed to feel them and to live an OBE.But on 2c-p I just need to listen to music for that.On 2c-e I just can listen to my own voices and an electronic music like thing that I don't know where it comes from...possibly comes directly from the  existence.On the other hand I feel much better be physical with 2c-p than 2c-e.Actually I never feel any nausea with both of them but I see many people(maybe everybody) feel nauseous and vomit most of them when it's picking.I also tried to snort 2c-e and 2c-p and I snorted 15-20 mg from both of them but it hurts much and I couldn't find this way is intense enough.I can see very specific patterns everywhere even on my skin or on my tongue and I think this is the pattern of existence.But I don't interest OEVs much because the CEVs are just fantastic with 2c-p.They are also good with 2c-e but I'm seeing many snakes,reptiles or dragons with 2c-e and 2c-e CEVs are more static than 2c-p.I'm lucid dreaming and living OBEs since I was a child and these substances can easy trigger this OBEs.I just need to close my eyes for several seconds to several minutes for this.After all these substances have a very special place for myself,yes 2c-e sometimes can be dark or very confusing but 2c-p can also be very dark too.But there's nothing to worry about this I think,I can easily going out this kind of state of mind if I want.Be physical I'm feeling cold on high doses with both of them and I'm squeezing my jaw more with 2c-e,I'm feeling some tremors and lulling in extremities also more with 2c-e and I'm feeling a burning on my back,jugular muscles and spinal cord on high doses more with 2c-p.I also feel some kind of intestinal weirdness and ass pain like something with both of them but it's nothing to worry about.

I bought 2c-e from Nevita and 2c-p from TheScienceGuy on SR and both of them was very clean and fine.I just wanted to buy from Satire,His prices was so great I guess around 65$ for one gram 2c-p but he doesn't sell it now.I just want to see more 2c-p and 2c-e on SR but I know these substances never will be like 2c-b or 2c-i because simply they are not for everyone,if you think to take some drugs and dance at the party there are much more efficient drugs for this like mdma or 2c-i but if anyone looks for a really unique and interesting psychedelic for especially CEVs and OBEs,should give a chance to 2c-p and 2c-e definitely.
Title: Re: Official 2C-P thread - info, experiences and thoughts
Post by: Navar42 on December 02, 2012, 01:33 am
Isn't 60mgs of 2C-P a really large and dangerous dose? I don't know too much about 2C-P. I want to try it but the whole 20 hours duration and mood swings is giving me second thoughts.
Title: Re: Official 2C-P thread - info, experiences and thoughts
Post by: Ballzinator on December 02, 2012, 02:11 am
Isn't 60mgs of 2C-P a really large and dangerous dose? I don't know too much about 2C-P. I want to try it but the whole 20 hours duration and mood swings is giving me second thoughts.
It's fairly easy to get those mood swings under control (at least for me). If shit goes sideways in your head you can always just lay down, listen to some music and clear your mind. The duration is something not to underestimate. Simply wake up 1-2 hours early, eat a light breakfast and drop the 2C-P. That way the trip won't disturb your sleep cycle as much, if at all.
Stay safe and happy tripping ;)
Title: Re: Official 2C-P thread - info, experiences and thoughts
Post by: tintor on December 03, 2012, 11:46 am
Isn't 60mgs of 2C-P a really large and dangerous dose? I don't know too much about 2C-P. I want to try it but the whole 20 hours duration and mood swings is giving me second thoughts.

Yes it's a really large dose of course but it's not dangerous I think if you know what you're doing.But like what I said before,I cannot recommend to you this much if you think to try 2c-p,just start with low or moderate doses like 8-12 mg(or maybe less but I don't think you feel much things under 8 mg except stimulation).I think Ballzinator touches on a very good point,you shouldn't take 2c-p and maybe any psychedelic substance when you tired or sleepless,it's best to take them after you sleep well and have more energy to use.

By the way don't hold back because the duration of the trip,it's not too annoying.Actually it's not very strong after 7-8 hours and you can eat if you want after 3-4 hours easily.You can also sleep if you are so tired(but just don't take it if you are tired) and you can also feel it when you wake up...yes you can sleep in a 2c-p  trip :)
Title: Re: Official 2C-P thread - info, experiences and thoughts
Post by: Kwasi on December 16, 2012, 04:51 pm
Isn't 60mgs of 2C-P a really large and dangerous dose?

Yes it's a really large dose of course but it's not dangerous I think if you know what you're doing.

There are old psychonauts.  There are bold psychonauts.  There are not many old bold psychonauts.

Where/How did you learn that 60mg is not suicidal?  That's six times more than a strong dose.  Granted, most of our information on this is from the Shulgin's and there seems to be some miscommunication about what a "disaster" dose is, but without knowing the LD50 you're flirting with death any time you venture that far past a confirmed safe point.

I'm not trying to bust your balls, I just want to understand the thought process here or maybe learn something I can't find elsewhere.
Title: Re: Official 2C-P thread - info, experiences and thoughts
Post by: tintor on December 19, 2012, 11:49 pm
Isn't 60mgs of 2C-P a really large and dangerous dose?

Yes it's a really large dose of course but it's not dangerous I think if you know what you're doing.

There are old psychonauts.  There are bold psychonauts.  There are not many old bold psychonauts.

Where/How did you learn that 60mg is not suicidal?  That's six times more than a strong dose.  Granted, most of our information on this is from the Shulgin's and there seems to be some miscommunication about what a "disaster" dose is, but without knowing the LD50 you're flirting with death any time you venture that far past a confirmed safe point.

I'm not trying to bust your balls, I just want to understand the thought process here or maybe learn something I can't find elsewhere.

I believe your sincerity and it ain't about the balls.I cannot tell you what you should or not to learn,it's your life,choices are yours.
Title: Re: Official 2C-P thread - info, experiences and thoughts
Post by: poolsclosed on December 20, 2012, 03:42 am
The one time I took 2C-P, I was underwhelmed. It was like 2C-E "lite," with the somber mindset I find in 2C-E and with a moderately high body load, although the characteristic auditory hallucinations were certainly there (not something I see in other 2C's). Honestly, unlike DOB, another long-acting psychedelic, it was not fun. It was just all right.

The funny thing about the multitude of psychedelics out there is the fact that although almost everyone gets the same kind of effects from them and can expect similar things, every individual finds more value in different ones. I am glad that 2C-P is enjoyable for many. It just isn't for me - too tame and not insightful, plus exhausting.
Title: Re: Official 2C-P thread - info, experiences and thoughts
Post by: hwallclimber on February 08, 2013, 11:52 am
I've had one experience, I'll be glad to share it:

Male, 31 years old, 150 pounds
Set: tripping with 6 good friends, all experienced, excellent mood
Setting: Isolated large cabin in the woods, very secluded, have tripped there before. Pretty much the perfect tripping setting
Substance: ~10-12mg dose of 2C-P (I think I got it from KwikTrip), a few glasses of wine, and a moderate amount of good pot
Duration: about 14-16 hours, kinda hard to tell.

Felt no effects for about 4 hours. I didn't take notes or anything, and it was over a month ago, but I can tell you a few things. First off, unlike LSD or the tryptamines. my appetite was intact the entire time; I think I ate twice during the trip, plus some snacks and a moderate amount of alcohol (a few glasses of wine).

I did not get the chance to spend much time by myself, and there was plenty of activity, so I didn't notice too much in the way of auditory hallucination. I saw the craziest hallucination I think I've ever seen with my eyes open: I was putting on a Poolside (awesome band) mixtape (free on soundcloud), and no shit, the album art just starting having a party. I nearly dropped my phone, the people were just moving all over, dancing, serving drinks, right there on my phone screen! My roommate saw me staring at my phone with this look on my face, he came over and tried to tell me that it was just the album picture, but he wasn't fooling me, there was definitely a party happening on my phone screen.

I felt great the entire night. I think this might have been one of the "funniest" drugs I've ever taken; I laughed so hard I cried several times, and I was cracking people up all night.

I smoked about 40mg of DMT about 8 hours in, it was a mostly normal DMT trip, and was still tripping pretty hard when I came down off of it.

I was pretty exhausted when I finally laid down in bed, but I can't honestly say it was any more tired then I would expect to be after having a very eventful day and a decent drive before we even started tripping, plus we got a good walk in during the trip. I was up for about 24 hours before I went to bed, slept for 2.5-3, and had a very pleasant day on Sunday, no noticeable effects other than a overall good, introspective, kinda spacey trippiness throughout the day.

All in all, a very enjoyable experience I cannot wait to repeat (probably in the 14-15mg range this time). Highly recommended, just titrate your dose carefully!

Album art in question:
http://www.echoparkrecords.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/poolside-night.jpg

Highly recommended mixtape:
http://soundcloud.com/poolside/night-mixtape
Title: Re: Official 2C-P thread - info, experiences and thoughts
Post by: seuss on May 12, 2013, 09:39 pm
How's the vasoconstriction or body load on this?
Title: Re: Official 2C-P thread - info, experiences and thoughts
Post by: Ballzinator on May 12, 2013, 09:49 pm
How's the vasoconstriction or body load on this?
Very manageable compared to mescaline.
Title: Re: Official 2C-P thread - info, experiences and thoughts
Post by: hwallclimber on September 09, 2013, 11:45 pm
So, 2C-P has become one of my favorites. at the 8-10mg dose, after the 3+ hour come on, my friends and I have always had just an amazing time with it. Feels good physically, spiritually, and mentally, opens you up a bit (not like MDMA or 2C-B), and last for a solid 8 hours after first effects are felt.

I'm looking forward to hitting the 13-14mg dose, see how quickly the effects ramp up.

Buy some, tell your friends, and have a blast with this valuable compound!
Title: Re: Official 2C-P thread - info, experiences and thoughts
Post by: BoNgOn on September 11, 2013, 04:04 am
So, 2C-P has become one of my favorites. at the 8-10mg dose, after the 3+ hour come on, my friends and I have always had just an amazing time with it. Feels good physically, spiritually, and mentally, opens you up a bit (not like MDMA or 2C-B), and last for a solid 8 hours after first effects are felt.

I'm looking forward to hitting the 13-14mg dose, see how quickly the effects ramp up.

Buy some, tell your friends, and have a blast with this valuable compound!

Totally agree with what you said it's great fun. :D
Just be careful and use small increments (1-2mg) per dosing, this drug has an insane dose curve. Trust me..