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Title: Different types of heroin
Post by: NoAddedSugar on May 15, 2013, 11:11 am
Hello folks, can anyone clear something up for me, I understand the difference between #3 and #4, but is there a #1 and #2? And could someone compare Black Tar Heroin strength to #3 and #4. Based on 1g of each, which is generally stronger. Thank you for your time
Title: Re: Different types of heroin
Post by: pacolipps on May 15, 2013, 03:38 pm
#1 and #2 you never need to worry about..that is for morphine base and unrefined heroin.....
#3 is usually for smoking, like chasing the dragon on foil and is a base and weaker than #4...it needs to be combined with acid to be iv'd and can not be snorted...though some will claim they can snort...its not water soluble so you will not get high
tar and powder are both #4 that were created in different ways.....generally powder is more refined and therefore more pure and potent.....but tar has additional properties and can be smoked as is so there is a big following here on sr for it....and I have personally bought from almost every us vendor and the most potent stuff on the road is tar...and if you are a iv user....it has legs!!!! it last for a whole day and you wont wake up sick the next morning like you do with powder.....
anyways...pm if you need any help
Title: Re: Different types of heroin
Post by: Mindfry on May 15, 2013, 05:37 pm
thanks Pacolipps, that was really helpful. I have been curious about trying out some H but I was always a bit confused on the differences between 3 & 4 so that cleared it up.
Title: Re: Different types of heroin
Post by: NoAddedSugar on May 15, 2013, 06:11 pm
Yes, I second that. Very helpful. Hey mindfry, I wouldn't suggest anyone dabbling with heroin, I have been a user for years, only street #3  besides one time I got some BTH. I've been addicted twice and been in treatment for 4 years, firstly on Suboxone, secondly on Methadone. Everyone thinks they'll not develop a habit, but it's really nice, and more-ish. But if there's no stopping you, Have you thought about other opiates first? I started on Opium. Had a lot of Arabic and Persian friends and they love the stuff. I'd have that before jumping in to the Heroin. Or have you already done the list of other Opiates? Remember to play safe mate, it can be dangerous, and it creeps up on you, the addiction. Mainly because it is so nice, and it's definitely not difficult to get hold of on here. I'm not trying to mother you or tell you what to do mate, just be safe.
Title: Re: Different types of heroin
Post by: Mindfry on May 15, 2013, 06:33 pm
I hear ya noaddedsugar. I've always enjoyed the occasional opiate in pill form like Oxy. I never tried H and I dont see how it would be that much different. The main draw in ordering a stamp or two is the price compared to a couple pills. I'm just thinking of the savings ;) I do like to consider myself safe and cautious enough to avoid forming any dependency, however, that sounds ridiculous when talking about heroin.

My friend is giving me her next refill for OP oxy 60's ... I thought i might just either sell them or trade them for some other form of an opiate. I dont like the OP tamper proof formula. 60mg is way to much for my tolerance and It seems like it would be a lot of work trying to cut the pill into smaller dosages. Anyone have some experience with OP's?
Title: Re: Different types of heroin
Post by: NoAddedSugar on May 15, 2013, 06:57 pm
What's OP Mindfry? I would consider buying opium from here if I were you, you can get a gram for 0.24 BTC, and smoking or eating that is lovely. Smoking it is an art, having to drag a red hot bit of metal, like a metal coat hanger unwound across it and sucking the smoke through a tapered tube. It's more sociable than shooting up gear in a public toilet too. If I were you, I'd start there mate. I'm available for any questions you have on the subject. I've never had an Oxy, I watched a documentary about US Oxycontin addicts, they were smoking it on the foil like chasing the old dragon with heroin. Just a whole pill, running down the foil. Amazing, didn't think that would work. I tried running Tramadol powder out of a capsule, that just burned the powder, burned the foil, and burned my throat!
Title: Re: Different types of heroin
Post by: Mindfry on May 15, 2013, 07:31 pm
Oh sorry, I guess the new Oxycontin OP formula(replaced the OC formula)  that the pharma company Purdue started producing is not common like it is in the US. It is tamper proof so people can no longer chew them, snort them or anything.  America is definitely hooked on medical grade heroin like Oxycontin and opana. It's rare to hear about anyone touching heroin where I live, however, people pop painkillers like its baby aspirin. If you think smoking Oxy is crazy, I've heard of people IV'ing it too.

I'm curious about opium. I've never seen it up on SR before. How is it any different than some pills or H? I do love the social part of drugs. That is one of the main reason I smoke weed, its fun to sit in a circle, load a couple bowls and have a conversation with friendly people. I also hate pills, I enjoy smoking or snorting substances. I however wont touch the needle.
Title: Re: Different types of heroin
Post by: NoAddedSugar on May 15, 2013, 08:02 pm
Well, opium is up there at the first stage in the process of making Morphine or Heroin. It's made from the poppies. I would definitely suggest having a smoke of that before heroin. Check out this dude's page http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/c3ec82abd2

You stick it on a bit of metal, put your other piece of metal in a gas flame or somewhere it can get red hot, have a tapered tube, like a cone in your mouth, thin end in between your lips, very wide open end above the Opium, and drag the red hot piece of metal over the Opium, inhale the smoke and keep it in your lungs for as long as possible. It makes a lot of smoke, you pass it around your mates. It's really nice, you can get a nod too, like with Heroin, and considering you've not taken Heroin before, it would definitely be strong enough for you. I spent one xmas with some Muslim mates I had. We all worked at a pizza delivery shop, I was the only white guy there and I'm not into xmas, so we closed the shop xmas day, drove to London and smoked Opium all day with my mates from Iran, Iraq and Egypt. It was awesome. I recommend it highly. It can make you vomit sometimes, but any strong Opiate can do. Any help?
Title: Re: Different types of heroin
Post by: JSherman69 on May 15, 2013, 08:05 pm
I gave opium a shot a few months ago. As soon as I got it I quickly learned that it's not so easy to use. I tried the hot knives method, but remember that morphine degrades under heat. I really didn't feel anything. The 'official' method that was used in opium dens is to vaporize it with an actual opium pipe. I'd love to try that but the only opium pipes I could find were hella expensive. Maybe someone else can clue me into a better way to do it, but I really didn't have any luck and it didn't seem worth the effort especially for someone already using other, stronger, opiates. It was more of a novelty "oh boy I got to try opium!" thing than an actual getting high as fuck thing.
Title: Re: Different types of heroin
Post by: NoAddedSugar on May 15, 2013, 08:22 pm
The way I just typed always worked for me. You have to gently warm the Opium up first, and you hold it with a safety pin or thin pointy metal, and only tickle it with the red hot coat hanger point. Maybe you had shit Opium. I've never heard of it degrading due to the heat. Like I said, it's more sociable than Heroin. If you want a good time with mates, and you can afford it, all chip in like, it can be great. You can smoke it with the hubbly bubbly sheesha thing, I have no idea of it's real name. But doing it this way burns through the Opium incredibly fast. That's the rich man's way! Anyway, speak tomorrow folks, it's past my bedtime. Peace xx
Title: Re: Different types of heroin
Post by: JSherman69 on May 15, 2013, 08:39 pm
Thanks for the tip Sugar, looks like a good idea. The opium was from TheScurvyCrew on SR, I have no idea if it was good or not. If I ever get some again I'll definitely give that a shot.
Title: Re: Different types of heroin
Post by: pacolipps on May 16, 2013, 01:50 pm
nothing wrong with tryin the heroin....just keep it in moderation and only snort it or smoke it......if you are new to it
no sense in developing a bad iv habit like me :-[
anyways....OP's do suck, but for me its because even the 80 are not strong enough and they cause serious stomach problems for me and many others because of the plastic they are made up of....and the old OC formula we used to crush up and snort and that was a nice high....back before i ever used to iv.....
but seriously....get you some powder and snort like a quarter bag or 0.025g to start off and keep it to only on the weekends or so...or get some tar and smoke it....and you will be able to manage just fine and have a nice high without the bad addiction side of things.....I did for 10 years......only thing that changed for me is I lost everything i owned including my house and a brand new car when the economy went downhill and I got bored at home and decided to shoot up one day.....now I have a worse habit...but I still manage it and keep it to a min and I go weeks at a time with nothing to keep myself from becoming a total junkie.....but im still no saint and take my advice with a grain of salt....I am merely telling you you can have a great time with heroin and you can use without becoming an addict and because of its potency...you can use a small amount and save a whole lot of money compared to expensive ass pills............ ;D
Title: Re: Different types of heroin
Post by: NoAddedSugar on May 16, 2013, 06:38 pm
......only thing that changed for me is I lost everything i owned including my house and a brand new car when the economy went downhill and I got bored at home and decided to shoot up one day.....now I have a worse habit...

Sorry, I had to have a little laugh at the way you phrased that. The way I read it was like it wasn't much, "the only thing I lost was everything". Well put young man I'll plus one you after this, my 100th post *fireworks*
Title: Re: Different types of heroin
Post by: shifting sands on May 16, 2013, 07:12 pm
Anyone recommend a vendor that sells tar that I can smoke. I tried a couple but you could not smoke them, no way
Title: Re: Different types of heroin
Post by: pacolipps on May 18, 2013, 02:42 am
I think you did not quite take my ost the right way....yes people lose everything they own from getting strung out....but I lost everything before I started doing dope ...I used to only take a few pills every now and then.....I lost everything when the economy started getting out of whack...the company i was working for canned me, so I went from making around $70- $100 K a year to not being able to find work and going broke with 4 kids and I had just put $30000 into a house I was buying and I had a brand new car that only needed 4 more payments and it was mine.....guess what I lost it all....and I was bored so I turned to dope out of plain boredom and I just am not the kind of person to sit around...dope helped me chill out so to say....but when I started to shoot it did become a habit
Title: Re: Different types of heroin
Post by: RobLoblaw on May 18, 2013, 03:54 am
Anyone recommend a vendor that sells tar that I can smoke. I tried a couple but you could not smoke them, no way

what was the problem when you tried to smoke it?
i thought all tar can  be smoked
Title: Re: Different types of heroin
Post by: BajoZero on May 18, 2013, 04:42 am
Anyone recommend a vendor that sells tar that I can smoke. I tried a couple but you could not smoke them, no way

what was the problem when you tried to smoke it?
i thought all tar can  be smoked

To my knowledge, all tar can be smoked. How were you smoking it?

I'm a big fan of Nod, because he's got great product, fast shipping, and is also polite and professional.  If you don't want large quantities, there's another vendor, whose name I've forgotten, who resells Nod's product in smaller quantities.

Also, Einstein777 has gunpowder that smokes really nicely.  Overall, I think it's easier to get decent BTH on the road than a good #4 powder (although there are a couple of good powder vendors right now).

There's a lot of myth about heroin in US culture, in my opinion, and for that reason, I wish I could just encourage everyone to try it to counter the scare tactics and bullshit rhetoric of the anti-drug warriors.  But instead, I can't resist telling you to please be careful. Heroin is somehow different from pills, and it's a lot cheaper.  You can get strung out from sniffing or smoking it regularly, it just takes longer than when you IV it.  And then, whether you embrace it, kick it, or try to moderate it, you're living with that monkey forever. Still, from a harm reduction perspective, if you're committed to experimenting with heroin, smoking is a good ROA, because it's very unlikely that you could OD that way, and it's not particularly hard on your body.

Opium is awesome, and also something to be careful with.  You can actually vaporize it off of tinfoil like heroin, you just have to be careful and patient, so that you don't get the flame too close.  Or you can make yourself a lightbulb vaporizer. You can find instructions for doing that on Google, if I remember correctly.

Good luck and be safe.
Title: Re: Different types of heroin
Post by: NoAddedSugar on May 18, 2013, 08:02 pm
Me and my Arabic and Persian friends used to smoke opium, and we had a mate who made it really pure. That was my entry into opiates, it was a lovely time. Is that gunpowder stuff legit then? I thought it was a scam or shit or something
Title: Re: Different types of heroin
Post by: RobLoblaw on May 18, 2013, 08:44 pm
Me and my Arabic and Persian friends used to smoke opium, and we had a mate who made it really pure. That was my entry into opiates, it was a lovely time. Is that gunpowder stuff legit then? I thought it was a scam or shit or something

yah the term gunpowder is just for powder bth. i have had some really good powdered tar before. its probably hit and miss like with any type of drug but bomb tar powder does exist.
Title: Re: Different types of heroin
Post by: NoAddedSugar on May 18, 2013, 10:49 pm
Hello Rob. If I want ti IV either BTC solid or "gunpowder" Do I need to dissolve it with acid like #3?
Title: Re: Different types of heroin
Post by: RobLoblaw on May 18, 2013, 11:13 pm
Hello Rob. If I want ti IV either BTC solid or "gunpowder" Do I need to dissolve it with acid like #3?

i'm pretty sure all bth is water soluble like #4 powder. i'm up in the north and tar is rare here so i've only gotten it around 15-20 times so don't quote me on it but i have never heard of anyone using anything except water to cook it. i would ask your source first though and they should be able to tell you.
Title: Re: Different types of heroin
Post by: pacolipps on May 19, 2013, 05:12 am
bth dissolves in water no need for acid....it is number 4 just not as refined as powder.....just put it in the freezer and it gets super hard ....then smash it up to a powder
then dissolve in cold water and apply a little heat to it just until it begins to curdle up(you will know what I mean when you see it)
if you add too much heat or boil you will destroy part of the opiate in it...tar is much different than powder as it contains more alkaloids than regular #4 powder and it has legs ....like it last so much longer than powder and you will nod .....and I have been using powder for a couple years now...I live on the east coast and we get some pretty potent powder here...but the best dope I have ever had is the tar I have gotten off the road....
here is some good vendors to try out if you are interested
(by the way all tar can be smoked...just google it as there are specific methods to smoking it for best results)
Diamorphius I just recently tried out and he sent me some of the most potent tar i have ever had
supersun has the best dope i have ever had and he ships fast and communicates very well, he also has some potent coke if you are interested
einstein777 has some really good gunpowder (which is tar mixed with powder) and ships fast also
NOD has some excellent tar ships super fast every time, but it is very expensive
DO NOT TRUST NOD4LESS!! i seen someone mention him but not remember his name....he shorted me almost a third of my order (about a quarter gram on a 3/4 g order) and refused to do anything to make it right and even called me a scam artist even though I have almost 30 orders with over $3000 spent in the last couple months with no auto finalizes, no disputes, and no refunds or reships.......its been 3 weeks and he will not even reply to my messages now so YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED
anyways, I am trying to become more active here in the forums so feel free to PM me if you need any advice or just want to know where to get good dope or coke from ...or just post here or on one of my threads...I will help you out any way I can
I have tried almost every american dope vendor and I have tried out all of the top coke vendors
out of about 30 orders in the past 3 months I have been ripped off in some way or another 4 times so the road is actually safer than the streets....but if I can help a few of you from having to get ripped off even once than I feel like I have done something to help the silk road community
Title: Re: Different types of heroin
Post by: alapio on May 19, 2013, 05:16 am
this is good info
Title: Re: Different types of heroin
Post by: RobLoblaw on May 19, 2013, 05:28 am
bth dissolves in water no need for acid....it is number 4 just not as refined as powder.....just put it in the freezer and it gets super hard ....then smash it up to a powder
then dissolve in cold water and apply a little heat to it just until it begins to curdle up(you will know what I mean when you see it)
if you add too much heat or boil you will destroy part of the opiate in it...tar is much different than powder as it contains more alkaloids than regular #4 powder and it has legs ....like it last so much longer than powder and you will nod .....and I have been using powder for a couple years now...I live on the east coast and we get some pretty potent powder here...but the best dope I have ever had is the tar I have gotten off the road....
here is some good vendors to try out if you are interested
(by the way all tar can be smoked...just google it as there are specific methods to smoking it for best results)
Diamorphius I just recently tried out and he sent me some of the most potent tar i have ever had
supersun has the best dope i have ever had and he ships fast and communicates very well, he also has some potent coke if you are interested
einstein777 has some really good gunpowder (which is tar mixed with powder) and ships fast also
NOD has some excellent tar ships super fast every time, but it is very expensive
DO NOT TRUST NOD4LESS!! i seen someone mention him but not remember his name....he shorted me almost a third of my order (about a quarter gram on a 3/4 g order) and refused to do anything to make it right and even called me a scam artist even though I have almost 30 orders with over $3000 spent in the last couple months with no auto finalizes, no disputes, and no refunds or reships.......its been 3 weeks and he will not even reply to my messages now so YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED
anyways, I am trying to become more active here in the forums so feel free to PM me if you need any advice or just want to know where to get good dope or coke from ...or just post here or on one of my threads...I will help you out any way I can
I have tried almost every american dope vendor and I have tried out all of the top coke vendors
out of about 30 orders in the past 3 months I have been ripped off in some way or another 4 times so the road is actually safer than the streets....but if I can help a few of you from having to get ripped off even once than I feel like I have done something to help the silk road community

thanks +1
Title: Re: Different types of heroin
Post by: 013517 on May 19, 2013, 05:31 am
Black tar is #4, or heroin hydrochloride.  Gunpowder is tar that has been cut with lactose from my understanding.

Heroin #1 is essentialy opium
Heroin #2 is morphine base that has been precipitated from the opium.
Heroin #3 is heroin base.  Non water soluble because it is a freebase, and not a salt.
Heroin #4 is Heroin hydrochloride or heroin acetate, or heroin citrate.  It is water soluble.

To inject heroin #3, heroin base, typically found in western europe you acidify it, or salt it.  Fun fact: Salted heroin base becomes heroin hydrochloride in general terms.  What you use as an acid changes the salt.  You can think of it as bonding to the free heroin molecules.  Don't add salt thinking you are acidifying your heroin.  You're just making it useless to anyone but a desperate junkie.

Morphine sulphate, like the pills we get in North America such as MS-contin is heroin#2 morphine base that has been salted.

You can strip the salt from the morphine to turn it back to freebase morphine, and then acetylate it with Acetic Anhydride, or Acetic Acide (vinegar) under certain conditions.  Ozzies call it homebake, and it will know you on your ass provided you can find your ass.


What you really need to know?  Try to dissolve in water.  If it won't dissolve add a bit of citric acid (best) or vinegar (better) or lemon juice (worst.)  It will clear in the spoon, and you are good to go.
Title: Re: Different types of heroin
Post by: NoAddedSugar on May 19, 2013, 01:26 pm

I have tried almost every american dope vendor and I have tried out all of the top coke vendors
out of about 30 orders in the past 3 months I have been ripped off in some way or another 4 times so the road is actually safer than the streets....

How come you've not tried to resolve anything or get a refund?
Title: Re: Different types of heroin
Post by: shifting sands on May 20, 2013, 02:46 pm
Anyone recommend a vendor that sells tar that I can smoke. I tried a couple but you could not smoke them, no way

what was the problem when you tried to smoke it?
i thought all tar can  be smoked

I am used to smoking #3. it runs on the foil no problem, this tar just sat their and burnt. maybe thats how its meant to be. I felt let down
Title: Re: Different types of heroin
Post by: UkashEqualsBTC on May 20, 2013, 02:49 pm
dude have you not heard of google
Title: Re: Different types of heroin
Post by: shifting sands on May 20, 2013, 02:52 pm
Anyone recommend a vendor that sells tar that I can smoke. I tried a couple but you could not smoke them, no way

what was the problem when you tried to smoke it?
i thought all tar can  be smoked

To my knowledge, all tar can be smoked. How were you smoking it?

I'm a big fan of Nod, because he's got great product, fast shipping, and is also polite and professional.  If you don't want large quantities, there's another vendor, whose name I've forgotten, who resells Nod's product in smaller quantities.

Also, Einstein777 has gunpowder that smokes really nicely.  Overall, I think it's easier to get decent BTH on the road than a good #4 powder (although there are a couple of good powder vendors right now).

There's a lot of myth about heroin in US culture, in my opinion, and for that reason, I wish I could just encourage everyone to try it to counter the scare tactics and bullshit rhetoric of the anti-drug warriors.  But instead, I can't resist telling you to please be careful. Heroin is somehow different from pills, and it's a lot cheaper.  You can get strung out from sniffing or smoking it regularly, it just takes longer than when you IV it.  And then, whether you embrace it, kick it, or try to moderate it, you're living with that monkey forever. Still, from a harm reduction perspective, if you're committed to experimenting with heroin, smoking is a good ROA, because it's very unlikely that you could OD that way, and it's not particularly hard on your body.

Opium is awesome, and also something to be careful with.  You can actually vaporize it off of tinfoil like heroin, you just have to be careful and patient, so that you don't get the flame too close.  Or you can make yourself a lightbulb vaporizer. You can find instructions for doing that on Google, if I remember correctly.

Good luck and be safe.

Thanks for the advice. I have been using for 20 years but we don't get BTH in the uk. I tried it on the foil like you would with #3 but it did not run it just burnt nastly. Anyway I am always looking to try every type of h that I can get hold of so if any one has bought Tar and can tell me how to smoke ot properly then please do.
I have no veins left so pinning is out of the queston.
Title: Re: Different types of heroin
Post by: shifting sands on May 20, 2013, 02:59 pm
dude have you not heard of google

wyhen your score comes through the door last thing on my mind is Google, anyway you live and learn.
Title: Re: Different types of heroin
Post by: UkashEqualsBTC on May 20, 2013, 03:04 pm
i guess so. what i ment is the majority of the questions asked here are easily searchable on the net. so wait you ordered gear then you asked which was the best way to take it. im not having a go im generaly just asking
Title: Re: Different types of heroin
Post by: shifting sands on May 20, 2013, 05:33 pm
i guess so. what i ment is the majority of the questions asked here are easily searchable on the net. so wait you ordered gear then you asked which was the best way to take it. im not having a go im generaly just asking

Hey ask away, I have been doing brown for over 20 years and pretty much done it every way possible. I heard you can smoke tar so I bought some. now I don't believe you need to google how to smoke somthin. It's not rocket science. Only it did not smoke that well. If i had thought there would be a problem I would have asked on here or used google as you say but I am not on line where i use so there you have it. I got the stuff, was no way on earth I was going to find a pc go on line and google it. I just wanted to smoke there and then. I think that tar was crap coz it burnt and fizzled but and did not smoke well.

Maybe next time i will goole while ordering. Maybe
Title: Re: Different types of heroin
Post by: UkashEqualsBTC on May 20, 2013, 07:27 pm
ah got you was just curious cheers
Title: Re: Different types of heroin
Post by: pacolipps on May 20, 2013, 07:28 pm
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How come you've not tried to resolve anything or get a refund?
I tried with 2 of my transactions...one with dieseltherapy and he did not even reply so i left negative feedback and he sent this too me for being honest about his product
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   Paco,

Seriously, this complaint makes absolutely no sense to me. I use this personally so there is absolutely no way that you can tell me that this gear is shit. If you would have come with a serious complaint like you didn't like the packaging or the smell was a little off, then I would have offered you some type of consolation. But since you went ahead and left that bullshit review, my only recourse is to add your name to the vendor blacklist here on SR. If you would like to come to another resolution that makes sense, feel free to message me. But aside from that, please stay the scamming piece of crap that you are.

and he blacklisted me....
and then I tried with nod and he told me that my story kept changing even though i had the same story from the first day i received and he took a week to respond
and then i went back and forth with him until he finally called me a scam artist and blacklisted me and also posted a retaliation on his vendor page essentially he ripped me off and no one ever believes the honest buyer who got ripped off thanks to the fact that there are real scam artist out there..yet everyone puts their trust in dishonest vendors without even thinking twice and only the vendors can see your stats so no one really knows that I have spent so much and not had any problems so I cant prove I am honest and he just post bad shit on his vendors page and i cant even defend myself so I am telling you here stay AWAY from this asshole ...I have ordered from almost every vendor in the us and if you need advice on who has the best dope, just pm me or look at my review thread in the newbie discussion
and I always pay when i receive my order, even if there is something wrong, so I can keep good buyer stats...but I regret it now...because these vendors are getting away with fucking people over way too much...
I will be happy to post my conversation with nod4less if you would like.....but it does not really pertain to this thread....I plan on posting it in the main heroin review threads when i get enough posts that it will allow me to do so
Title: Re: Different types of heroin
Post by: pacolipps on May 20, 2013, 07:38 pm
by the way dont let vendors push you around...both of these transactions i speak of the vendors told me they were putting me on a vendor "blacklist"...they can only prevent you from purchasing from them and they can message other buyers...but if they get caught, they are violating their account..they are not permitted to blackmail you or try to get other sellers to cut you off....vendors base their opinions off of your buyer stats and most vendors are really good people that are here to make a living and I have had many more good experiences than bad ....I have only had problems with these 2 vendors out of the last 30 transactions and I have more risk of a bad deal on the streets locally than that...so just be sure to read reviews and if you see a seller post about a buyer on his page...think twice about ordering from him, because that means he refused to resolve a problem that he more than likely created....there are only a few people who are going to go through all the trouble of buying drugs just to try and scam a seller.....think about that
Title: Re: Different types of heroin
Post by: alapio on May 20, 2013, 07:40 pm
bth ftw
Title: Re: Different types of heroin
Post by: NoAddedSugar on May 20, 2013, 07:51 pm
OK Paco. Unlucky. I suppose people can be dicks wherever.
Title: Re: Different types of heroin
Post by: RobLoblaw on May 20, 2013, 09:00 pm
well i dont know the entire story, just what you are telling us so i'm not going to comment in depth. usually 2 sides to every story. that being said just because a vendor uses his product doesn't mean that its good. a buyer has the right to his opinion. if 100 people liked a sellers gear and it did nothing when i took it at my regular dose i would post that in the feedback. when most people are buying goods i think they look at the information as a whole and if the sellers product is good i don't think one guy saying he didn't like it is going to change people from buying. i agree with you, don't let anyone push you around. if people become censored then the feedback is useless and the entire foundation crumbles.
Title: Re: Different types of heroin
Post by: Nod4Less on May 22, 2013, 05:43 am
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How come you've not tried to resolve anything or get a refund?
I tried with 2 of my transactions...one with dieseltherapy and he did not even reply so i left negative feedback and he sent this too me for being honest about his product
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   Paco,

Seriously, this complaint makes absolutely no sense to me. I use this personally so there is absolutely no way that you can tell me that this gear is shit. If you would have come with a serious complaint like you didn't like the packaging or the smell was a little off, then I would have offered you some type of consolation. But since you went ahead and left that bullshit review, my only recourse is to add your name to the vendor blacklist here on SR. If you would like to come to another resolution that makes sense, feel free to message me. But aside from that, please stay the scamming piece of crap that you are.

and he blacklisted me....
and then I tried with nod and he told me that my story kept changing even though i had the same story from the first day i received and he took a week to respond
and then i went back and forth with him until he finally called me a scam artist and blacklisted me and also posted a retaliation on his vendor page essentially he ripped me off and no one ever believes the honest buyer who got ripped off thanks to the fact that there are real scam artist out there..yet everyone puts their trust in dishonest vendors without even thinking twice and only the vendors can see your stats so no one really knows that I have spent so much and not had any problems so I cant prove I am honest and he just post bad shit on his vendors page and i cant even defend myself so I am telling you here stay AWAY from this asshole ...I have ordered from almost every vendor in the us and if you need advice on who has the best dope, just pm me or look at my review thread in the newbie discussion
and I always pay when i receive my order, even if there is something wrong, so I can keep good buyer stats...but I regret it now...because these vendors are getting away with fucking people over way too much...
I will be happy to post my conversation with nod4less if you would like.....but it does not really pertain to this thread....I plan on posting it in the main heroin review threads when i get enough posts that it will allow me to do so

You know, enough is enough.  First of all, I don't appreciate you calling me an asshole - and especially going all over reddit - which you KNOW I cannot go on and post defending myself - so your cowardly actions are unappreciated.

I would LOVE for you to post the messages from our conversation.  Your story changed at least twice on two different points - first off, the bag was 50mg short - then you say that you weighed it with the bag (WHICH AS A MATTER OF FACT IT WEIGHS 350mg (+/- 10mg) - it's a 2"x2" baggie with little black pirates on it - I use the same bag everytime - look that up) it was 50mg short with the bag.  You said you didn't weigh or didn't have a scale and then you had your friends scale.  Second of all, if it were 400mg short on a 750mg order, why in the WORLD would you EVER finalize the transaction and leave 5/5 feedback, at first.  I will NOT ACCEPT your story that it was 200mg-250mg short - it's impossible based on the weight of the bag.  I don't keep ANY OTHER bags around - so it's impossible to be 250mg short - it was 400mg or 0mg - take your pick.  I have sent 250mg to someone for FREE because I was 30mg short - because HE WAS HONEST.

YOU ARE THE ONLY PERSON WHO HAS EVER SAID THAT I'VE BEEN ANYTHING BUT THE VERY BEST - IN EVERY ASPECT OF WHAT IS EXPECTED AS A VENDOR.

I am 100% honest - and I want to believe you are too - the only thing that makes any sense is what someone else posted in another thread you started to trash my reputation - was that English may not be your primary language. 

I will not succumb to ANY perceived attempt at scamming me, and at this point, I perceive this as an attempt to extort from me and I REFUSE to accept that.

On top of that - I offered you Free Shipping (because it 50mg short, as it read in your message) and then I offered to SPLIT the difference at 200mg (which is basically what you said it was short yourself) - but your pride cost you, because you were more offended at my offer (Cash & never order again) that you refused to accept that.  BOTH TIMES, I SAID, IF THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE, PLEASE LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU THINK WOULD BE AN ACCEPTABLE RESOLUTION - but you never gave me one. 

AND THEN AS SOON AS YOU SAW I WASN'T GIVING INTO YOUR DEMANDS - THEN 200mg IS OK.  That's when I decided I was sending you nothing.  It was, as if, you were trying to push and see how much you could get and when the line was drawn, you wanted what you could.

PLEASE POST THE MESSAGES!  It will confirm everything I've just said.  I don't have to post anything, because I have nothing to prove.

On top of that, when you get your 50 posts and get to play with the big boys, come try this stunt over there - I've served EVERY person who frequents that post.  They know what I'm about - they know I'm here to help and help others not get screwed - why would I screw you?  It's really not worth it.  I lose sales and my # goes down and I have to waste time in my life responding to this rubbish.  YOU REALLY THINK I'M GOING TO SCAM YOU FOR $75??? 

Fucking rediculous. If you decide to respond, only do it with the messages.  Let others deem for themselves the true nature of this argument.  I should've listened to grandpa when he said, never argue with fools - because people from a distance can tell who is who.
Title: Re: Different types of heroin
Post by: NoAddedSugar on May 22, 2013, 11:11 am
Always good to see vendors on the forums. Someone else mentioned you, N4L, in another thread. This is really unhelpful because I can't find it, I will continue to look and update this post when I do, but in the post I'm referring to, they said to avoid you. Your feedback is high though, so I have no reason to believe them.
Title: Re: Different types of heroin
Post by: Orpheus99 on May 22, 2013, 12:41 pm
I am a nooby here and N4L gave me a  lot of his time helping me to familiarize myself with the whole business of getting bitcoins, issues with SR and other advice.  But mainly I valued his interest and support as I explored this amazing world of SR which is, at the same time, somewhat confusing technically.   And I've seen him do this with many others; in short, he is a helpful presence on SR.  At best, there was some misunderstanding between PacoLipps and Nod4Less, the nature of which is not clear enough to me to judge.  Perhaps N4L felt he was being set up and that wasn't in fact Paco's intent, or Paco did intend to blackmail him.  Who knows.  I'm sure there is plenty of misunderstanding and probably some on both sides.  But what is clear to me from so much else obvious evidence is that N4L is a good guy and a considerable asset to SR and to the forums (and for nooby's also) and a vendor who always sells the best products with the best stelth, though at a cost above others.  Nothing wrong with that; it's a legitimate market niche.   He's one of the 'good guys' and I think finding a fight with him is totally counterproductive.   It's a misunderstanding.  They happen.  Let's leave it at that. 
Title: Re: Different types of heroin
Post by: Nod4Less on May 22, 2013, 03:43 pm
Always good to see vendors on the forums. Someone else mentioned you, N4L, in another thread. This is really unhelpful because I can't find it, I will continue to look and update this post when I do, but in the post I'm referring to, they said to avoid you. Your feedback is high though, so I have no reason to believe them.

It was probably the same guy, pacolipps, he is literally the only person I've ever had any trouble with in all of my transactions.  I scour the forums (and reddit, even though I can't respond) for my vendor name and see what's being said.  It's important that I monitor my customer service levels and make sure i'm staying on top of everything.  In any case, if you do find it and it is someone else, let me know so that I can figure out what happened with that one, but I had a rating of 100 on SR before pacolipps, so I'm not sure who it could've been.

N4L
Title: Re: Different types of heroin
Post by: NoAddedSugar on May 22, 2013, 05:46 pm
Where did Orpheus99 come from to chip in? 1st post and came straight to this discussion and knows that N4L is a considerable "presence in the forums", which I'm not saying he isn't. Have you been lurking for a long time and Paco's words were just too much for you? You had to jump in to N4L's defense?  That is a coincidence....

By the way N4L, the vendor whom you buy your product from, is he just called Nod?
Title: Re: Different types of heroin
Post by: Nod4Less on May 22, 2013, 05:59 pm
Where did Orpheus99 come from to chip in? 1st post and came straight to this discussion and knows that N4L is a considerable "presence in the forums", which I'm not saying he isn't. Have you been lurking for a long time and Paco's words were just too much for you? You had to jump in to N4L's defense?  That is a coincidence....

By the way N4L, the vendor whom you buy your product from, is he just called Nod?

Yeah - Nod is my supplier, the bestselling BTH on SR - he just didn't sell anything less than a gram, and I wanted to try it, so I approached him with the idea of reselling smaller amounts.  I also sell international now as well.

N4L
Title: Re: Different types of heroin
Post by: RobLoblaw on May 22, 2013, 11:35 pm
Quote
How come you've not tried to resolve anything or get a refund?
I tried with 2 of my transactions...one with dieseltherapy and he did not even reply so i left negative feedback and he sent this too me for being honest about his product
Quote
   Paco,

Seriously, this complaint makes absolutely no sense to me. I use this personally so there is absolutely no way that you can tell me that this gear is shit. If you would have come with a serious complaint like you didn't like the packaging or the smell was a little off, then I would have offered you some type of consolation. But since you went ahead and left that bullshit review, my only recourse is to add your name to the vendor blacklist here on SR. If you would like to come to another resolution that makes sense, feel free to message me. But aside from that, please stay the scamming piece of crap that you are.

and he blacklisted me....
and then I tried with nod and he told me that my story kept changing even though i had the same story from the first day i received and he took a week to respond
and then i went back and forth with him until he finally called me a scam artist and blacklisted me and also posted a retaliation on his vendor page essentially he ripped me off and no one ever believes the honest buyer who got ripped off thanks to the fact that there are real scam artist out there..yet everyone puts their trust in dishonest vendors without even thinking twice and only the vendors can see your stats so no one really knows that I have spent so much and not had any problems so I cant prove I am honest and he just post bad shit on his vendors page and i cant even defend myself so I am telling you here stay AWAY from this asshole ...I have ordered from almost every vendor in the us and if you need advice on who has the best dope, just pm me or look at my review thread in the newbie discussion
and I always pay when i receive my order, even if there is something wrong, so I can keep good buyer stats...but I regret it now...because these vendors are getting away with fucking people over way too much...
I will be happy to post my conversation with nod4less if you would like.....but it does not really pertain to this thread....I plan on posting it in the main heroin review threads when i get enough posts that it will allow me to do so

You know, enough is enough.  First of all, I don't appreciate you calling me an asshole - and especially going all over reddit - which you KNOW I cannot go on and post defending myself - so your cowardly actions are unappreciated.

I would LOVE for you to post the messages from our conversation.  Your story changed at least twice on two different points - first off, the bag was 50mg short - then you say that you weighed it with the bag (WHICH AS A MATTER OF FACT IT WEIGHS 350mg (+/- 10mg) - it's a 2"x2" baggie with little black pirates on it - I use the same bag everytime - look that up) it was 50mg short with the bag.  You said you didn't weigh or didn't have a scale and then you had your friends scale.  Second of all, if it were 400mg short on a 750mg order, why in the WORLD would you EVER finalize the transaction and leave 5/5 feedback, at first.  I will NOT ACCEPT your story that it was 200mg-250mg short - it's impossible based on the weight of the bag.  I don't keep ANY OTHER bags around - so it's impossible to be 250mg short - it was 400mg or 0mg - take your pick.  I have sent 250mg to someone for FREE because I was 30mg short - because HE WAS HONEST.

YOU ARE THE ONLY PERSON WHO HAS EVER SAID THAT I'VE BEEN ANYTHING BUT THE VERY BEST - IN EVERY ASPECT OF WHAT IS EXPECTED AS A VENDOR.

I am 100% honest - and I want to believe you are too - the only thing that makes any sense is what someone else posted in another thread you started to trash my reputation - was that English may not be your primary language. 

I will not succumb to ANY perceived attempt at scamming me, and at this point, I perceive this as an attempt to extort from me and I REFUSE to accept that.

On top of that - I offered you Free Shipping (because it 50mg short, as it read in your message) and then I offered to SPLIT the difference at 200mg (which is basically what you said it was short yourself) - but your pride cost you, because you were more offended at my offer (Cash & never order again) that you refused to accept that.  BOTH TIMES, I SAID, IF THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE, PLEASE LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU THINK WOULD BE AN ACCEPTABLE RESOLUTION - but you never gave me one. 

AND THEN AS SOON AS YOU SAW I WASN'T GIVING INTO YOUR DEMANDS - THEN 200mg IS OK.  That's when I decided I was sending you nothing.  It was, as if, you were trying to push and see how much you could get and when the line was drawn, you wanted what you could.

PLEASE POST THE MESSAGES!  It will confirm everything I've just said.  I don't have to post anything, because I have nothing to prove.

On top of that, when you get your 50 posts and get to play with the big boys, come try this stunt over there - I've served EVERY person who frequents that post.  They know what I'm about - they know I'm here to help and help others not get screwed - why would I screw you?  It's really not worth it.  I lose sales and my # goes down and I have to waste time in my life responding to this rubbish.  YOU REALLY THINK I'M GOING TO SCAM YOU FOR $75??? 

Fucking rediculous. If you decide to respond, only do it with the messages.  Let others deem for themselves the true nature of this argument.  I should've listened to grandpa when he said, never argue with fools - because people from a distance can tell who is who.

like i said, 2 sides to every story
thanks for giving us your input and clearing some things up

Yeah - Nod is my supplier, the bestselling BTH on SR - he just didn't sell anything less than a gram, and I wanted to try it, so I approached him with the idea of reselling smaller amounts.  I also sell international now as well.

N4L

didnt paco say he really liked nods gear but didnt like nod4less? lol hows that working
 
Title: Re: Different types of heroin
Post by: NoAddedSugar on May 23, 2013, 07:18 pm
Maybe the gear is changing to some inferior quality gear mid journey from Nod to Nod 4 less! It's not like Paco is claiming it's underweight. Paco, Have you said that, in comparison to both items? That one is better?
We have to have his input into this.
I started this thread just wanting to know more, having only ever come into contact with #3 stuff IRL. I knew about #4, didn't know that they were numbered though. I also wanted to know about numbers 1 and 2, if they exist. I don't know how this  turned into a grudge match. N4L, how did you find out you were being spoken about in this thread?
Title: Re: Different types of heroin
Post by: shifting sands on May 24, 2013, 01:19 pm
So back on topic,  different types of heroin

What are Oxycontin and what are they like and do they put paracetamol in them. Any one know? I mean i know they are a pill but do they compare to any pills in the uk
Title: Re: Different types of heroin
Post by: Mindfry on May 24, 2013, 05:24 pm
Wow, havent logged in for a while. Kind of got hostile in here  ???

anyways, just wanted to thank Paco and Sugar for the advice they gave me a couple days ago (I was about to purchase my first taste of H). I was window shopping for a couple of weeks since i decided I wanted to make the economical switch from Oxy to H. I wanted to make the switch for the crazy amount of money i would save myself. I couldnt stand spending all my money on a couple pills when I know it would go so much farther with H. However, you guys helped me realize that I was lying to myself. I could only afford to mildly support my habit. I'm glad i didnt make the switch. I used to always tell myself I didnt have an addictive personality but i was wrong. Opiates are deceiving, so warm and friendly. Hidden under the pure bliss i feel, there is always an unsatisfied urge. It was quiet voice telling me that a little bit more would be nice. The voice slowly grew stronger till it would shout, I want more, hell, I Need more. The other day I was sending out my usual mass texts asking if anyone had oxy, I pulled out my wallet and started to count my money to make sure I had enough. I had $150 to last me 5 days until my paycheck came. I'm siting on my floor, stressed out, sorting my cash for the week, 10 for gas, 20 for food, and 120 for oxy. Leaving me with nothing to pay bills with yet again. I've been fighting it for so long, but i finally had to admit that I didnt have control over my drug use. I decided to only spend 40$ on oxy and taper myself off. I swore to myself I will not touch anymore until I have my life sorted out.

 I'm not sure why I felt inclined to post this here but oh well.
Title: Re: Different types of heroin
Post by: pacolipps on May 25, 2013, 03:22 am
hey nod4less...since you are here defending yourself...which I am glad to see...I only asked for you to send me a couple points to make up for it and my story never changed...I just should have been more clear as you did not understand that I was weighing with the bag from the first message, which i cleared up to you after you took a week to respond the first time...then you took 3 days to respond again and told me you did not want to send another package as it was a "risk"
now I am okay with it, I have accepted that you are never going to make this right, and I gave you the feedback you deserve, not only for shorting me on my order, but for the way you treated me and made me out to be a scam artist....but its funny that I have been on silk road for over 3 months and had 30 orders with no other major problems and by the way everyone...the other problem I had with diesel therapy has been taken care of also...he has sent me 4 bags of his new stuff to make up for it and has been very nice about it....so I will be updating my posts and reviews to reflect this....so as of now...I have had 30 orders with almost $4000 spent and the only U.S. heroin dealer who has done me wrong is Nod4Less
you can say what you want about me and you can cut me off and blacklist me....but there are a whole lot of vendors that I have a good business relationship with and I can get better dope for less money and I will get the weight I pay for, so after the way you have treated me, WHY WOULD I BUY FROM YOU AGAIN?
I am here in the forums merely spreading my experience with you and people can make their own decisions....but I am not going to let you sit here and tell everyone that I have done something wrong ....I even paid you as soon as I received my package knowing that is was under weight and I was so nice to you about it...you turned it into something ugly....but I was honest with you and I did tell you from the beginning that it weighed 0.7 gram and I did not communicate that clear enough in the first message so I clarified it in the second and my story never changed at all
seriously, all you had to do was send me what you shorted me and I would have praised you and I would have been very happy with it
but you offered me free shipping and when i turned it down you offered me a partial refund with a stipulation that I would be cut off from ordering from you and that was not very nice at all...and then you told me I was lying basically and said there is no way you messed up .....so I left you the feedback you deserve and I have posted my experience to protect others from having a bad experience and that is what these forums are for to post our experiences and knowledge
I always give second chances....and I believe everyone is entitled to making mistakes and I know I am far from perfect also...I have been more than willing to give you a chance to make this right and earn your feedback......but I am not just going to sit back and let you rip me off then make me out to be a scammer....I have never been dishonest and I have never done anything to deserve your actions or words

Title: Re: Different types of heroin
Post by: Leukart on May 25, 2013, 03:27 am
My mate decided the best heroin he ever had was the one administered when he pushed a button in his hospital bed 2 years ago. 30 years old, and was gone about 3 months later, not from the diamorphine, but a rare PET cancer. It certainly made me think things a little differently since. Enjoy it all guys for now!
Title: Re: Different types of heroin
Post by: SmileCrew on May 25, 2013, 05:42 am
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Title: Re: Different types of heroin
Post by: imoscardotcom on May 25, 2013, 08:41 pm
Anyone used Deezle's stamps? It says #4 and I trust all the reviews to confirm that. Just wondering if anyone ever thought prepping like like #3 would've made a better shot?
Title: Re: Different types of heroin
Post by: Nod4Less on May 26, 2013, 06:58 pm
Maybe the gear is changing to some inferior quality gear mid journey from Nod to Nod 4 less! It's not like Paco is claiming it's underweight. Paco, Have you said that, in comparison to both items? That one is better?
We have to have his input into this.
I started this thread just wanting to know more, having only ever come into contact with #3 stuff IRL. I knew about #4, didn't know that they were numbered though. I also wanted to know about numbers 1 and 2, if they exist. I don't know how this  turned into a grudge match. N4L, how did you find out you were being spoken about in this thread?

All I had to do was simply search for my name and saw the posts. 

As for pacolipps - my 2nd (and final) offer was a refund for the equivalent of 200mg in one of two forms, either in BTC with the stipulation he could never order from me again or as a credit toward another order.  He refused this on principle, but then goes on to say that he'd never want to order from me again?  Whatever he says, his story just never added up for me. 

I'm done with this whole conversation - I've said what I felt needed to be said in my defense - I have nothing more to say.  For those of you interested, go to the Heroin vendors page and ask about me there or check out all of my other 80+ feedbacks - I have a sale going on this week as well, so if you want the best - come see me.

N4L
Title: Re: Different types of heroin
Post by: tshermit on May 27, 2013, 02:22 am
I had no idea there were different types, until yesterday. I guess I just stay away from heroin.
Title: Re: Different types of heroin
Post by: RobLoblaw on May 27, 2013, 08:05 pm
So back on topic,  different types of heroin

What are Oxycontin and what are they like and do they put paracetamol in them. Any one know? I mean i know they are a pill but do they compare to any pills in the uk

oxycontin is just a brand name for extended release oxycodone with no additional NSAID. they do have instant release oxycodone with contains acetaminophen or paracetamol. the most common brand name is percocet which contains acetaminophen. they also have instant release oxycodone without NSAIDs in the US i think they call them roxies. canada also has generic versions.
oxycodone is widely prescribed. it comes is countless formulas, numerous name brands and even more generic versions. 
i'm pretty sure oxycodone is available in the UK. the closest thing to it would probably be the weaker the hydrocodone. when you set up in class to the morphines, hydromorphs, heroin you playing a different a sport imo when it comes to the feeling when you use it.
Title: Re: Different types of heroin
Post by: RobLoblaw on May 27, 2013, 08:15 pm
Anyone used Deezle's stamps? It says #4 and I trust all the reviews to confirm that. Just wondering if anyone ever thought prepping like like #3 would've made a better shot?

nice avatar by the way
havent tried it but did it resolve in the water? if so i'm not sure adding acid would have improved it.
have you ever tried this with other #4 and found it produced a better product
sometimes there is cut in there that doesn't dissolve so use a filter
Title: Re: Different types of heroin
Post by: imoscardotcom on May 27, 2013, 08:27 pm
Anyone used Deezle's stamps? It says #4 and I trust all the reviews to confirm that. Just wondering if anyone ever thought prepping like like #3 would've made a better shot?

nice avatar by the way
havent tried it but did it resolve in the water? if so i'm not sure adding acid would have improved it.
have you ever tried this with other #4 and found it produced a better product
sometimes there is cut in there that doesn't dissolve so use a filter

Thank you, surrogate George.

I'm waiting for it to be delivered. Marked in transit on Saturday, so hopefully this week. Fingers crossed. I'll try it with just water and see what happens. I'll report back.
Title: Re: Different types of heroin
Post by: imoscardotcom on May 28, 2013, 08:09 pm
Update: Got my stamps in today. Just did one stamp, only prepped with water and I feel amazing. Definitely #4.
Title: Re: Different types of heroin
Post by: RobLoblaw on May 28, 2013, 10:10 pm
Update: Got my stamps in today. Just did one stamp, only prepped with water and I feel amazing. Definitely #4.

very nice. i got a pretty good after work nod going on myself
how much did you get in 1 stamp? was it a point? whats your tolerance level?
Title: Re: Different types of heroin
Post by: 88fxstc on May 28, 2013, 10:14 pm
Update: Got my stamps in today. Just did one stamp, only prepped with water and I feel amazing. Definitely #4.

I just got some stamps from deez today too. I just sniff and I'm feeling pretty dam fine from his product. He sent extra on top of my original order as well. Seems deez is a pretty good vendor with good product.I'll repeat.
Title: Re: Different types of heroin
Post by: imoscardotcom on May 28, 2013, 10:33 pm
Update: Got my stamps in today. Just did one stamp, only prepped with water and I feel amazing. Definitely #4.

very nice. i got a pretty good after work nod going on myself
how much did you get in 1 stamp? was it a point? whats your tolerance level?

I didn't measure it out with points this time, I was too excited and got it prepped as soon as the mailman said hello (I'm pretty sure he's methed out himself). In the spoon (a regular tablespoon) the powder was probably the size of a thumbnail flattened out. I'll try and get a better estimate with next shot.

Tolerance level wise, this was my first opiate IV in almost four months. I was doing Dilaudid 4 mg IV several times a day (the actual solution, not pills). Since, I've been doing Vicodin fairly regularly. There's a plateau with Vicodin with me (50 mg feels the same to me as 100 mg) so it's hard to judge. Definitely not the kind of tolerance I used to have though. It felt like my first shot of Dilaudid 4 mg in the morning though, a little stronger on the end though.

Sorry, I know that's hard to decipher for tolerance.
Title: Re: Different types of heroin
Post by: RobLoblaw on May 28, 2013, 11:14 pm
cool, sounds like good stuff
i dont usually buy stamps cause i buy in grams but i might grab a couple to test out
anyone know a vendor who has good tar?
Title: Re: Different types of heroin
Post by: NoAddedSugar on June 03, 2013, 06:35 pm
N4L apparently, not if you take pacolips' opinion. Or was the quality never mentioned? I forget. I'd love to give the tar a go IV. Also like to try #4 soon. I've been getting great #3 from c63amg (Holland) excellent stealth and quality.
Title: Re: Different types of heroin
Post by: pakchoi23 on June 03, 2013, 08:59 pm
N4L apparently, not if you take pacolips' opinion. Or was the quality never mentioned? I forget. I'd love to give the tar a go IV. Also like to try #4 soon. I've been getting great #3 from c63amg (Holland) excellent stealth and quality.

I always wanted to try #4, but no way I am taking up the pin again, I don't fancy snorting, maybe I should plug it... hmm.

In the UK I thought gear was gear. Top of the range gear was called china white, an almost mythical substance you have to inject cos it won't run on foil. Only ever came across it once, from a Pakistani family at xmas time. It was cut, didn't run very well on foil but banged up lovely. Almost white it was.  I never knew it was #4 and we were smoking #3.

Funny story: circa 2000, my partner at the time went to the loo in a petrol station just after scoring, she used to keep her bags in her knickers (yeah I know!). Anyway as she pulled down her clothing, two 0,1g bags leapt from betwixt her knickers and butt and jumped behind the loo. One landed RIGHT on the edge of the toilet seat, the other disappeared down a crack in the tiling behind the bog. Great.
She comes out of the garage and tells me, I'm like, "fuck sake you muppet I keep telling you not to take valium before we get home, it turns you into a proper moron", yadda yadda.

Few days later we have pretty much split up. I think about the gear in the loo, cos I am sick, so I get my screwdriver, go to the garage and proceed to tear the back of the toilet wall off until I find the bag of gear. When I found it I was like Renton in Trainspotting when he goes diving for the suppositories "Ya fucking dancer!" I left that loo in such a state lol.

Ah, memories.


No Added Sugar - did you find a drop in the quality of c63's gear around the bank holiday? I reckon it was almost half as strong as my original score...? Maybe I am getting a tolerance.

Title: Re: Different types of heroin
Post by: Darktime on June 03, 2013, 09:13 pm
Pakchoi doing a renton! ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Different types of heroin
Post by: theweeman on June 03, 2013, 10:03 pm
N4L apparently, not if you take pacolips' opinion. Or was the quality never mentioned? I forget. I'd love to give the tar a go IV. Also like to try #4 soon. I've been getting great #3 from c63amg (Holland) excellent stealth and quality.

I always wanted to try #4, but no way I am taking up the pin again, I don't fancy snorting, maybe I should plug it... hmm.

In the UK I thought gear was gear. Top of the range gear was called china white, an almost mythical substance you have to inject cos it won't run on foil. Only ever came across it once, from a Pakistani family at xmas time. It was cut, didn't run very well on foil but banged up lovely. Almost white it was.  I never knew it was #4 and we were smoking #3.

Funny story: circa 2000, my partner at the time went to the loo in a petrol station just after scoring, she used to keep her bags in her knickers (yeah I know!). Anyway as she pulled down her clothing, two 0,1g bags leapt from betwixt her knickers and butt and jumped behind the loo. One landed RIGHT on the edge of the toilet seat, the other disappeared down a crack in the tiling behind the bog. Great.
She comes out of the garage and tells me, I'm like, "fuck sake you muppet I keep telling you not to take valium before we get home, it turns you into a proper moron", yadda yadda.

Few days later we have pretty much split up. I think about the gear in the loo, cos I am sick, so I get my screwdriver, go to the garage and proceed to tear the back of the toilet wall off until I find the bag of gear. When I found it I was like Renton in Trainspotting when he goes diving for the suppositories "Ya fucking dancer!" I left that loo in such a state lol.

Ah, memories.


No Added Sugar - did you find a drop in the quality of c63's gear around the bank holiday? I reckon it was almost half as strong as my original score...? Maybe I am getting a tolerance.

i got from c63 over the bank holiday and i also thought it was nothing like the gear i had been getting from him it was jumped all over . i had been getting of him every week and it was good until last week , very pissed off heavy let down . im glad it was not just me that thought that , has anybody tried it this week?
Title: Re: Different types of heroin
Post by: shifting sands on June 06, 2013, 02:00 pm
I always wanted to try #4, but no way I am taking up the pin again, I don't fancy snorting, maybe I should plug it... hmm.

In the UK I thought gear was gear. Top of the range gear was called china white, an almost mythical substance you have to inject cos it won't run on foil. Only ever came across it once, from a Pakistani family at xmas time. It was cut, didn't run very well on foil but banged up lovely. Almost white it was.  I never knew it was #4 and we were smoking #3.

I read in one of these threads that you can cook up #3 for a hit and put it in a nasal spray and spray it up your hooter. Makes sense. You should be able to do that with #4. It should not hurt like when snorting a powder. I used to mix ketamin and coke with water and put that in a nasal spray. That worked really well. You can do it with fentanyl so why not #3 and # 4. I for one will be trying this soon so i will let you all know if its good or a total waste of time. I have no veins left so i am always up for other methods of getting gear into my system. Last month i had to have a blood test and two nurses gave up after stabbing me a number of times and made me a hospital appointment where they will use ultra sound to locate a vein.  I could do with one of these ultra sound gadgets at home.
Title: Re: Different types of heroin
Post by: NoAddedSugar on June 13, 2013, 01:32 pm
I've had them try the ultrasound with me. Watching them with the high def ultrasound was amazing. They still couldn't locate a vein though. They have to go into my neck to get a line in me or take blood.