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Discussion => Silk Road discussion => Topic started by: mat82 on August 25, 2012, 04:48 pm

Title: SR Should support early finalisation
Post by: mat82 on August 25, 2012, 04:48 pm
I realise that SR is against early finalisation, and personally I think it's a pretty awful idea for all concerned. However the reality is that vendors are likely to want it in some circumstances for a while yet.

The advantages of supporting an FE process are:
 - Sellers wouldn't get ratings from FE transactions until they delivered.
 - Buyers could see how many transactions the seller did via early finalisation.
 - Some of these stats could be used as leverage to make seller scamming harder (or at least easier to spot).
I'm sure there are more...

I hope one day the market is big enough that there will always be enough vendors willing to ship without early finalisation - at least for small quantities. Until then it should be condemned but kept on the radar.
Title: Re: SR Should support early finalisation
Post by: Wadozo on August 26, 2012, 03:10 pm
Are you crazy mate? Why would anyone support a FE process when the Escrow system here works just fine when used correctly. We need to keep pushing the message and educating people on having some respect and consideration for vendors using the Escrow system. As a buyer, if  the vendor has done the right thing by me in sending me what I ordered, I then make it a priority to immediately finalize the order in question, which to tell you the truth, makes me a happy camper knowing I did the right thing and forfilled my end of the agreement. If we can focus on making someone other than ourselves happy, what you'll receive in return will be a satisfaction level once thought by you to not be reachable. Keeping each other happy in regards to a transaction is a fairly simple process and will only sour if one of the parties involved circums to thoughts of greed and the insatiable thirst for wanting more.
Title: Re: SR Should support early finalisation
Post by: superhippie on August 26, 2012, 03:15 pm
NO FE!!! NO FE!!!! NO FE!!! NO FE!!!! NO FE!!!!! NO FE!!!!!
Title: Re: SR Should support early finalisation
Post by: H4L101 on August 26, 2012, 03:23 pm
This is simply not a good idea. The end.
Title: Re: SR Should support early finalisation
Post by: Bungee54 on August 26, 2012, 03:26 pm
NO FE (besides aus) ! and we say that as vendors !

If a vendor has not enough money to keep up with supply he probably should not be a vendor.
Title: Re: SR Should support early finalisation
Post by: mat82 on August 26, 2012, 03:38 pm
The thing is, you can bury your head in the sand and scream "No FE" all you like - it still happens.

At least if you bring it above board it will help a bit. Sellers wouldn't get a 'free' 5/5 rating until they actually delivered. You could even go so far as to show how much risk sellers had in a FE state to help spot potential scams building up.

I'm not suggesting FE should be condoned in any way, but saying "don't do it" and then washing your hands of the problem, well it's about as effective as saying "drugs are bad m'kay" in terms of prevent problems.
Title: Re: SR Should support early finalisation
Post by: BigBill6778 on August 26, 2012, 03:43 pm
I am AN Oil vendor & pills vendor I DO NOT ASK anyone to FE That is stupid business.I feel if a person wants a vendors page they should have enough stock to last 21 days so then there cash will start rolling in faster.If vendors would spend a little extra for there buyers and get them tracking #'s at the vendors costs you know exactly when they receive the parcel & you can contact them for your payment I think SR should change the auto-finalize so when the buyer recieves his parcel the vendor can forward the tracking # to SR & they can finalize the transaction for the buyer
Title: Re: SR Should support early finalisation
Post by: Bungee54 on August 26, 2012, 03:51 pm
I am AN Oil vendor & pills vendor I DO NOT ASK anyone to FE That is stupid business.I feel if a person wants a vendors page they should have enough stock to last 21 days so then there cash will start rolling in faster.If vendors would spend a little extra for there buyers and get them tracking #'s at the vendors costs you know exactly when they receive the parcel & you can contact them for your payment I think SR should change the auto-finalize so when the buyer recieves his parcel the vendor can forward the tracking # to SR & they can finalize the transaction for the buyer

Indeed a cool idea..but could become a pretty expensive service and it doesnt seem like DPR can hire new stuff through monster.com  8)
Title: Re: SR Should support early finalisation
Post by: superhippie on August 26, 2012, 04:03 pm
The thing is, you can bury your head in the sand and scream "No FE" all you like - it still happens.


And those are the people getting scammed!!!! NO FE!!
Title: Re: SR Should support early finalisation
Post by: kmfkewm on August 26, 2012, 04:05 pm
I think it is strange what a 180 silk road has caused in the drug scene. Prior to SR if customers expected vendors to send them product before they sent them money , they would have been laughed at by everyone. Now it is exactly the opposite. Seems like it switches the risk of being scammed from customers to vendors.
Title: Re: SR Should support early finalisation
Post by: superhippie on August 26, 2012, 04:24 pm
one of the reason's why i dont like the FE is because it seemd to me that EVERY VENDOR ON SR HAS 3 TO 4 PAGES OF "FE will update when i test product"  ans they NEVER DO... so as a BUYER.. u have to go off all these "FE'S WILL UPDATE AFTER TRYING PRODUCT" and the only thing you really find out about the seller is if he/she has good shipping/contact skills... YOUR FORGETTING THE MOST IMPORTANT PART!!!!!!...... HOW WAS THE DAMN PRODUCT!!!!! 
Title: Re: SR Should support early finalisation
Post by: Qaz on August 26, 2012, 04:29 pm
I think it is strange what a 180 silk road has caused in the drug scene. Prior to SR if customers expected vendors to send them product before they sent them money , they would have been laughed at by everyone. Now it is exactly the opposite. Seems like it switches the risk of being scammed from customers to vendors.

Considering the risk of arrest is borne by the buyers, that seems completely fair.
Title: Re: SR Should support early finalisation
Post by: Moon Fried on August 26, 2012, 04:31 pm
NO FE (besides aus) ! and we say that as vendors !

If a vendor has not enough money to keep up with supply he probably should not be a vendor.

A better way to say this:

A vendor should not expect people to FE because he or she can not keep up with demand.
Title: Re: SR Should support early finalisation
Post by: kmfkewm on August 26, 2012, 04:44 pm
I think it is strange what a 180 silk road has caused in the drug scene. Prior to SR if customers expected vendors to send them product before they sent them money , they would have been laughed at by everyone. Now it is exactly the opposite. Seems like it switches the risk of being scammed from customers to vendors.

Considering the risk of arrest is borne by the buyers, that seems completely fair.

The risk of getting a life sentence is in most cases entirely on the vendor, not that I really see what that has to do with anything. I like the idea of escrow , but I am amazed that any vendors tolerate it. Prior to SR it just would not have been accepted by vendors. The fact that they can charge so much more here than on private forums, and also deal with so many more customers, makes up for having to risk being scammed by the customer. So in the end it still works out in their favor here, but it is because lots of people are placing small orders at big mark ups instead of a few people placing medium/bulk orders at lower prices.
Title: Re: SR Should support early finalisation
Post by: Wokker on August 26, 2012, 04:56 pm
one of the reason's why i dont like the FE is because it seemd to me that EVERY VENDOR ON SR HAS 3 TO 4 PAGES OF "FE will update when i test product"  ans they NEVER DO... so as a BUYER.. u have to go off all these "FE'S WILL UPDATE AFTER TRYING PRODUCT" and the only thing you really find out about the seller is if he/she has good shipping/contact skills... YOUR FORGETTING THE MOST IMPORTANT PART!!!!!!...... HOW WAS THE DAMN PRODUCT!!!!! 

This.  I have seen the same thing with simply just "FE, will update".  That doesn't tell me if you even received the product at all, let alone how the quality is. 

I haven't actually made an order yet, as I have a couple weeks until I relocate permanently.  My options for vendors, as a first time buyer, are definitely limited if I don't want to FE. 

Someone else has suggested a 50% FE/50% escrow transaction, which I would feel a lot more comfortable with than an all out FE.  Basically it would just be paying half the price up front, and the other half once you receive. 
Title: Re: SR Should support early finalisation
Post by: Qaz on August 26, 2012, 05:13 pm
I think it is strange what a 180 silk road has caused in the drug scene. Prior to SR if customers expected vendors to send them product before they sent them money , they would have been laughed at by everyone. Now it is exactly the opposite. Seems like it switches the risk of being scammed from customers to vendors.

Considering the risk of arrest is borne by the buyers, that seems completely fair.

The risk of getting a life sentence is in most cases entirely on the vendor, not that I really see what that has to do with anything. I like the idea of escrow , but I am amazed that any vendors tolerate it. Prior to SR it just would not have been accepted by vendors. The fact that they can charge so much more here than on private forums, and also deal with so many more customers, makes up for having to risk being scammed by the customer. So in the end it still works out in their favor here, but it is because lots of people are placing small orders at big mark ups instead of a few people placing medium/bulk orders at lower prices.

If they get picked up the vendor faces more heat, but the mail system protects vendors from being easily identified; buyers have a lot less protection. Escrow kinda balances that out.
Title: Re: SR Should support early finalisation
Post by: mat82 on August 26, 2012, 05:20 pm
one of the reason's why i dont like the FE is because it seemd to me that EVERY VENDOR ON SR HAS 3 TO 4 PAGES OF "FE will update when i test product"  ans they NEVER DO... so as a BUYER.. u have to go off all these "FE'S WILL UPDATE AFTER TRYING PRODUCT" and the only thing you really find out about the seller is if he/she has good shipping/contact skills... YOUR FORGETTING THE MOST IMPORTANT PART!!!!!!...... HOW WAS THE DAMN PRODUCT!!!!! 

This.  I have seen the same thing with simply just "FE, will update".  That doesn't tell me if you even received the product at all, let alone how the quality is. 

This is *EXCATLY* my point. If SR supported FE, then the "FE will update" reviews would not count towards a vendor's feedback, which is more power (slightly) to SR customers.

The thing is, you can bury your head in the sand and scream "No FE" all you like - it still happens.


And those are the people getting scammed!!!! NO FE!!

Yes - your denial doesn't stop people getting scammed. Neither does my proposal.  But it should help a little.