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Discussion => Shipping => Topic started by: snapple on January 28, 2012, 05:17 pm
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I've now come across two established vendors who say in their profile that they use DCN but will not give it to the buyer. This seems odd to me, because DCN doesn't do much more than provide a little sense of security for the buyer.
What's the logic behind withholding the tracking number?
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DCN is not a tracking number, it just says if it has been delivered or not, which the buyer should know? Also vendors dont want buyers checking the DCN through tor and flagging the package. DCN is really just for the seller if the buyer claims he did not get it.
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Not sure which DCN you use, but the .75 cent USPS DCN # I get is tracking. It has every location the package went through on its journey to me. Sounds like tracking to me, whatever semantics you want to use.
Tracking lets me know what exact day I can expect my package to arrive, and this allows me to get the mail before the nosy wife or kids get their grubby little hands on it.
Lets face it, some vendors are excellent but A LOT are lazy and you don't know within a week when the shit will arrive and the other residents in the house hover over the mailbox making me only buy from vendors with dcn who actually give me the number.
I still haven't seen a reason to use DCN and then hide it from the buyer.
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Although it would be nice to trust every buyer to understand that you can't look up tracking numbers on TOR one of the buyers is going to do it anyways and get their package seized.
I mean I would give DCNs to experienced buyers but not newbie buyers.
On a side note: can I add DCN without going to the cashier? Can I just slap additional stamps and slap the DCN sticker on it?
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I guess this is one more instance of the buyers vs sellers. Vendors think we're dumb children who can't be trusted with a tracking and we think you're, well....arrogant and lazy.
I need a tracking so I can tell exactly what day my package arrives. If you live alone and don't mind waiting weeks for some deadbeat vendor to replenish his stock then fine, but most wives go to the mail like a moth to a flame and I can intercept it if i know when the fuck my order is coming. Get it?
Keep treating your customers like children and soon you won't have any.
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DCN tells me the expected delivery date when I enter it into USPS, as in "OUT FOR DELIVERY" means it's on the truck and coming today, so just keep up your arrogant "vendors know better" attitude and see what happens.
When I started buying last July I had to put up with asshole arrogant vendors like you, but now it's a buyers bonanza and we want quick shipment and tracking, not some keystone kops operation. more vendors mean the weak will fall by the wayside and I say it's about time.
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Unless its express mail your not getting tracking. Priority mail(which I am assuming most vendors use) does not have tracking this is plainly stated on the USPS website.
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woah, unnecessarily hostile in here for both parties.
I like it too, OP. I like it for the exact same reasons you do, minus the wife and kids. my first purchase on SR had a tracking number and I too could see where it was. told me when it was out, got the post office in my city and when it was delivered. dunno if that's different from the # some people in this thread are talking about (only tells you it was confirmed delivery) but yeah it's nice to have. I can see some security reasons behind it, though.
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DCN tells me the expected delivery date when I enter it into USPS, as in "OUT FOR DELIVERY" means it's on the truck and coming today, so just keep up your arrogant "vendors know better" attitude and see what happens.
When I started buying last July I had to put up with asshole arrogant vendors like you, but now it's a buyers bonanza and we want quick shipment and tracking, not some keystone kops operation. more vendors mean the weak will fall by the wayside and I say it's about time.
What a complete tool you are. Read this:
http://www.americas-mailbox.com/home/delivery.confirmation.number
It's a good thing Vendors are PROTECTING you by not letting your total dumb ass near any post office website with any sort of information because you'll just hang yourself with it using Tor and a dozen IPs per hour or your home IP.
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What Galterr said. DCN IS NOT tracking. Its proof of delivery. While sometimes it gets scanned at every stop, the majority of the time it wont show for a couple days. Ive had many DCN's show up after the delivery was made. I only will give it out if its late or there is an issue or I know the buyer. There really isnt a reason to give it out. Ill give it out to ease the mind of nervous buyers but the less that people enter DCN or tracking numbers in the usps website the better. And DONT use TOR when checking it...
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yeah that's true. although would you guys say it's still safe if you checked once or twice a day without using Tor? assuming it's an actual tracking number. I can't see why that'd be suspicious. a lot of people check packages with tracking numbers.
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I here what you're saying, DCN isn't tracking, but my last three orders from SR gave me the DCN and I have one out now. When I punch the number in right now it's telling me it was dropped off at X city, then processed through USPS Sort Facility at X city and so on. The info they give me is the same as tracking at FedEx orUPS. It will also tell me the last sort facility and then "OUT FOR DELIVERY" meaning that it's on the truck to my house. In three orders they followed it at every step and told me exactly when it was due for delivery.
I've done this three times and all times the package has been scanned at every location, if this isn't tracking whatever, its semantics, the fucker tells me when its coming, plain and simple.
I guess I just have one question left, if the only reason not to provide it is because us buyers can't be trusted to track it with a tor browser? How much legitimate evidence is there that tracking a DCN through TOR leads to an intercept? Is this an urban myth (there are tons here in tin foil hat land) or has it been verified?
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here's the only post I found here about checking tracking through tor, and it says it's a complete myth.
Tor detection is not difficult and true fact is that using tor is not ilegal activity.
Do you really beleive that USPS send logs to LE if somebody check a dcn if they use tor? What if they use free proxy? Or internet caffe what use a proxy? Another thing is who is an visitor and what he check on the site.There are privacy laws and LE can obtain such logs or data only if they have a warrant and valid prove what they must present to state judge for approval.
No judge will sign a warrant just if somebody check a tracking using tor or another proxy service. I have read many forums and majority agree that this is a nonsense.
Dcn does not hold addresses or names. Its a bar code what is when delivered marked status. Post office does not hold any dcn records.
USPS use ssl protocol so content is encrypted.
And do you know why? Because that is legal thing to check tracking or dcn online, no matter do you use tor or not.
Suspicius is not prove and not enough to LE take actions against you/me.
Only ilegal activity what can be connected with suspect and evidence can be used against.
link to the post is here: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=2755.msg29743#msg29743
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patriot act changed alot things about warrants...
If you think the Post Office doesn't keep track of weird shit, flag and report on it, your just stupid..thats their job...
Taking chances against good logic will end you up in a cold ass cell next to Ene.
Yea, with risks being so high, there's really no reason to be taking chances on things like that.
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Seriously guys, vendors aren't going to give out DCNs because it is a MASSIVE SECURITY RISK. Even though us vendors anonymously send, we still don't want to bring more heat onto our packages by having our zip code flagged.
It only takes one person to look up the DCN on TOR to fuck things up.
If you are an experienced buyer and you really really want the DCN than maybe, but for now withholding DCNs is going to be common practice.
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Seriously guys, vendors aren't going to give out DCNs because it is a MASSIVE SECURITY RISK.
I know I'm taking a lot of heat in this thread, but it's a simple question, how do you know it's a massive security risk?
The only threads on the SR forums about checking DCN through Tor overwhelmingly say it's an outdated myth that just won't die.
I haven't found a single thread in here about legitimate risks yet us buyers are left in the dark based on conjecture, rumor, and old information.
For something as important as this, why can't we stop with the "Because I said so that's why" and get to the bottom of the issue.
You seem very sure of this Foxy, so please show me where all this "risk" comes from?
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To get to the bottom of this issue you'd have to ask a postal inspector or a webmaster of the the USPS website, AND they would have to be willing to reveal their methods. But the question itself raises suspicion.
The closest I've seen to anyone matching that description on these forums, is someone who claims they were a postal inspector intern for 9 months:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=346.0
My view is, why risk it?
If you need to know when a package is arriving so relatives don't get it first, maybe you could look into getting a PO Box, or have the package sent to someone else you trust. Or check the tracking number at a library or something.
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If you need to know when a package is arriving so relatives don't get it first, maybe you could look into getting a PO Box, or have the package sent to someone else you trust. Or check the tracking number at a library or something.
DCN doesn't provide any real tracking anyway. It just goes from Shipped to Delivered on the status.
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Seriously guys, vendors aren't going to give out DCNs because it is a MASSIVE SECURITY RISK.
I know I'm taking a lot of heat in this thread, but it's a simple question, how do you know it's a massive security risk?
The only threads on the SR forums about checking DCN through Tor overwhelmingly say it's an outdated myth that just won't die.
I haven't found a single thread in here about legitimate risks yet us buyers are left in the dark based on conjecture, rumor, and old information.
For something as important as this, why can't we stop with the "Because I said so that's why" and get to the bottom of the issue.
You seem very sure of this Foxy, so please show me where all this "risk" comes from?
There really is no way to know for sure whether or not it is true. It is very easy for a website to know whether or not a visitor is from Tor. In fact, some email services block TOR access. Mt-gov also blocks TOR access.
It is our job as vendors to make sure that packages get to you safely and securely, so please understand that we worry just as much about our customers as we worry about ourselves. Getting packages seized is good for neither the vendor nor the buyer as having enough packages seized can cause our zip code to be flagged.
Let us do our jobs so that things can keep running smoothly.
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Tor exit nodes all show as previously banned proxies used by spammers, illegal porn spammers, and stuff you really don't ever want to be associated with. When you connect to a government run website with it, the IP is probably flagged from a list of spamhaus and other blacklists and logged somewhere notifying administrators who will wonder why 16 different IPs all on known proxy blacklists are checking one tracking or DCN, as we all know any impatient buyer will check for updates every minute.
This is why there is a 3rd party website to do this with who will check for you google 'track a package' and fill their logs and referrals with bad IPs not the government run site.
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DCN doesn't provide any real tracking anyway. It just goes from Shipped to Delivered on the status.
It does for me. I think the difference is that if you use DCN on a first class package it's just DC, but if the same .75 cent DCN is on a priority mail envelope it provides full tracking.
I'm saying this because I've gotten 3 weed orders in Jan with the same neon green DCN and all have given me complete tracking FWIW.