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Title: MDMA vs Methylone
Post by: thisisatest on December 18, 2011, 11:16 pm
Never have MDMA or Methylone before and have noticed the two are supposed to have similar effects yet Methylone is significantly cheaper...

Wondering what the community thinks about the differences in effects, if it is worth it to spend the extra on true MDMA (for a first time user), and why the price difference if they are so similar?
Title: Re: MDMA vs Methylone
Post by: Asbury on December 18, 2011, 11:41 pm
in my experiences, methylone is much milder and of shorter duration than MDMA. If you google about this, you will find many sources discussing their differences.

However, some vendors will claim that their methylone is nearly indistinguishable from MDMA but i have not had this effect in my own experiences.

If you have the money, then i don't see why you wouldn't go straight for MDMA. But if you're short on cash, methylone would be a suitable substitute for a first timer.
Title: Re: MDMA vs Methylone
Post by: n00bic-hair on December 19, 2011, 12:43 am
Methylone seems so much more clear-headed and eloquent than MDMA for me.

M1 is so theraputic.. get your friends together, give everybody 160mg plus a 140mg booster at +1:30, and you will have a wonderful bonding experience.

MDMA seems a little less clear - more visual and sensory effect.

I enjoy a combo of the two as well (lower doses, say 100mg M1 + 100mg MDMA)
Title: Re: MDMA vs Methylone
Post by: testicles on December 19, 2011, 05:50 am
Methylone is kinda like a watered down version of mdma. You can 'roll' off it but you need a dose of about 300mg to get the same serotonin effects of 100mg of mdma, while tripling the dopamine effects which make you wayyy cracked out. I mean like chewing on ur lips, talking super fast, sweating load, tremors, nervousness/anxiety/paranoia, difficulty sleeping, etc, whereas if you just took 100mg of mdma, you would feel just as good without all the negative side effects. Also methylone just has something missing, you dont feel as downright happy and blissful, its just kinda like a new, clearer sober whereas mdma is an intense awesome experience. The peak and most sought after effects of methylone (the "roll") is very brief, only lasting like 45 minutes to and hour and a half, and even this peak doesn't touch what mdma could do to you, and the peak of mdma last at least 3 hours for me. If i were you i'd go with mdma for your first roll, it'll be wayyy more worth it. god i wish i coulda had access to some pure mdma for my first roll. :D
Title: Re: MDMA vs Methylone
Post by: thisisatest on December 19, 2011, 03:46 pm
good advice here thanks!  sounds like i better go with some mdma.  now to find some shipping from the us :-\
Title: Re: MDMA vs Methylone
Post by: foxymeow on December 20, 2011, 02:55 am
Methylone feels like coke with a touch of MDMA. It gets you high as fuck but you need to redose constantly. If you love coke you would love methylone even more.

But methylone is not indistinguishable from MDMA by any means. "Watered Down" is definitely not a bad way to describe it. However you can roll on ridiculous amounts of Methylone without too much bad effects and it won't destroy your serotonin. Methylone is more of something you can do much more frequently (which is why it sells in my town so well).

MDMA is pretty different animal though.

Methylone seems so much more clear-headed and eloquent than MDMA for me.

M1 is so theraputic.. get your friends together, give everybody 160mg plus a 140mg booster at +1:30, and you will have a wonderful bonding experience.

MDMA seems a little less clear - more visual and sensory effect.

I enjoy a combo of the two as well (lower doses, say 100mg M1 + 100mg MDMA)

Its true methylone has created so many friendships and relationships. It just has a more subtle happiness to it and it makes whatever you do seem great. You could be watching TV and just chilling and you are all going to be loving it. Its more of a nice bonding experience.

And yes it mixes SOOOO well with MDMA.

@Thisisatest
Honey I can send you a free sample of methylone so you can judge for yourself. Its very nice.
Title: Re: MDMA vs Methylone
Post by: thisisatest on December 20, 2011, 03:44 am
Methylone feels like coke with a touch of MDMA. It gets you high as fuck but you need to redose constantly. If you love coke you would love methylone even more.

But methylone is not indistinguishable from MDMA by any means. "Watered Down" is definitely not a bad way to describe it. However you can roll on ridiculous amounts of Methylone without too much bad effects and it won't destroy your serotonin. Methylone is more of something you can do much more frequently (which is why it sells in my town so well).

MDMA is pretty different animal though.

Methylone seems so much more clear-headed and eloquent than MDMA for me.

M1 is so theraputic.. get your friends together, give everybody 160mg plus a 140mg booster at +1:30, and you will have a wonderful bonding experience.

MDMA seems a little less clear - more visual and sensory effect.

I enjoy a combo of the two as well (lower doses, say 100mg M1 + 100mg MDMA)

Its true methylone has created so many friendships and relationships. It just has a more subtle happiness to it and it makes whatever you do seem great. You could be watching TV and just chilling and you are all going to be loving it. Its more of a nice bonding experience.

And yes it mixes SOOOO well with MDMA.

@Thisisatest
Honey I can send you a free sample of methylone so you can judge for yourself. Its very nice.

This is awesome information... I actually think Methylone might be my best bet right now as I am low on funds and am really more about a body high rather than any sort of mind fuck!

foxy that is ridiculously kind of you!  I am sending a private message now  ;D
Title: Re: MDMA vs Methylone
Post by: blueangel on December 23, 2011, 03:39 am
I too was debating.  Been reading a lot of positive things that make me rethink my past experiences, wondering if what I bought f2f was actually M1.
Title: Re: MDMA vs Methylone
Post by: foxymeow on December 23, 2011, 04:29 am
I too was debating.  Been reading a lot of positive things that make me rethink my past experiences, wondering if what I bought f2f was actually M1.

Haha if it was F2F it was definitely M1. There is a reason the DEA just banned it...because it literally flooded the streets.

I have been pushing 1kg locally every other week. Its too bad international mail takes so damn long sometimes.
Title: Re: MDMA vs Methylone
Post by: RapidImprovement on December 23, 2011, 04:59 am
I personally like methylone more. I don't get some weird effects from M1 that I get from MDMA, like shivers and yawns. I'd say 100 mg of MDMA = 250 mg of M1, so they are nearly similar in value. Both last about 4 good hours, M1 probably doesn't last quite as long. I tried methylone first, ate 500 mg, and rolled the best roll in my life. I was wobbling so hard... Good times! Hope that helped!

-RI
Title: Re: MDMA vs Methylone
Post by: foxymeow on December 23, 2011, 05:08 am
I personally like methylone more. I don't get some weird effects from M1 that I get from MDMA, like shivers and yawns. I'd say 100 mg of MDMA = 250 mg of M1, so they are nearly similar in value. Both last about 4 good hours, M1 probably doesn't last quite as long. I tried methylone first, ate 500 mg, and rolled the best roll in my life. I was wobbling so hard... Good times! Hope that helped!

-RI

Methylone gets you trashed. Taking it in a pill feels like a roll, snorting feels like "Happy Coke", and smoking it is just unreasonably great. I haven't smoked it in a while...but it gets you high as fuck.

Also Methylone has almost no comedown. Heck I took a shit load of methylone for a show and I had a final and studied right after the show coming off the methylone and got a FUCKING 98! The highest grade in the class. Simply fucking amazing!
Title: Re: MDMA vs Methylone
Post by: thisisatest on December 23, 2011, 05:17 am
these responses are getting me excited for new years eve! 

i have to make an order from a US vendor tomorrow latest for me and a few friends to make sure we have a ridiculous new years...

both sounds so great i think it will all boil down to who can ship my order the fastest and ensure i have it in hand by dec 31!

thanks again all for the advice.
Title: Re: MDMA vs Methylone
Post by: dreamcore on December 23, 2011, 11:50 am
You obviously have to think about dosage also as methylone needs about twice as much to feel good.
Title: Re: MDMA vs Methylone
Post by: blueangel on December 23, 2011, 01:52 pm
these responses are getting me excited for new years eve! 

i have to make an order from a US vendor tomorrow latest for me and a few friends to make sure we have a ridiculous new years...

both sounds so great i think it will all boil down to who can ship my order the fastest and ensure i have it in hand by dec 31!

thanks again all for the advice.

you're cutting it close for new years!
Title: Re: MDMA vs Methylone
Post by: jimmy69 on December 24, 2011, 08:35 pm
mdma is killing m1 or any combo of bks i've ever tried. Don't mess up your first time with bad street x or an rc before. Plus the first time for me I didn't really roll (only ate a half).

source: opinion after rolling for 10 years

5htp is your friend. Don't roll more than once or twice a month, period.
Title: Re: MDMA vs Methylone
Post by: marsvolta12 on December 30, 2011, 03:22 pm
MDMA ALL THE WAY. as said in other post it is a more speedy version of mdma without the empathy(which is fucking pointless because that is the point of mdma). try real mdma and then try methylone and u will see why everyone says it is better. in my area they were passing that shit off a molly for the past two years because there hasn't been good ecstasy in my area since the paul frank monkeys years ago. people who don't know any better might confuse the two but if u try real pure mdma you will never even want to look at methylone
Title: Re: MDMA vs Methylone
Post by: foxymeow on December 30, 2011, 06:38 pm
MDMA ALL THE WAY. as said in other post it is a more speedy version of mdma without the empathy(which is fucking pointless because that is the point of mdma). try real mdma and then try methylone and u will see why everyone says it is better. in my area they were passing that shit off a molly for the past two years because there hasn't been good ecstasy in my area since the paul frank monkeys years ago. people who don't know any better might confuse the two but if u try real pure mdma you will never even want to look at methylone

Methylone has its place. You can't do MDMA that often. Methylone is like a toned down version of MDMA for when you don't want to roll full on. Its great for a casual house party and it does make you roll pretty hard. Everyone in my town absolutely loves methylone.

Methylone is like coke with a nice easy roll. Methylone > Coke  MDMA > Methylone

Methylone also has pretty much no comedown. Methylone has pretty much overtaken coke in all situations in my town. Coke is pretty much irrelevant now and no one wants coke now that methylone is so readily available (wholly because of me).

I always tell people that its like the greatest coke ever with a little bit of a roll.
Title: Re: MDMA vs Methylone
Post by: Kali Kross on December 31, 2011, 12:58 am
Are you kidding lol? Methylone is trash. They don't even compare.
Title: Re: MDMA vs Methylone
Post by: foxymeow on December 31, 2011, 08:58 am
Are you kidding lol? Methylone is trash. They don't even compare.

I didn't. I am just saying that methylone is a kind of "weekly" or "bi-weekly" or "every day this week" event (so many bad decisions).

Whereas as MDMA is supposed to be no more than once a month.
Title: Re: MDMA vs Methylone
Post by: Red Flag on December 31, 2011, 11:53 pm
I think MDMA produces a much more desirable high than Methylone.
Title: Re: MDMA vs Methylone
Post by: foxymeow on January 01, 2012, 06:44 am
I think MDMA produces a much more desirable high than Methylone.

No doubt, but Methylone can be a lot of fun and is great for a large party where you don't want to have sex with everyone.

MDMA = Orgy Fest (which can be a ton of fun)
Methylone = Raging House Party

Nothing like putting some lines on a platter and passing that shit around "Blow" style.
Title: Re: MDMA vs Methylone
Post by: thizzlemonster on January 01, 2012, 03:31 pm
hey bro. i cant comment on the methylone, but MDMA is king for sure. i think i will try some methylone some time in the future just to see what all the fuss is about. im sure it wont be as intense as the MDxx, but it sounds like it something i could do more often an not worry about depleting all my serotonin and not having come down like you get from MDMA. but yeah, i would highly doubt that methylone is as fun as MDMA. so i suggest MDMA in the end. you will have a better time on MDMA for sure bro, like everyone else has said. so methylone for small kick backs an just hanging out with friends an stuff an MDMA for the full on ragers. oh an like everyone else says, dont do MDMA more that a couple times a month. if you do it too often it loses its magic. as for coke, its just a complete waste of money imho. instead of coke, try the methylone as a sub for coke. cause coke only lasts for about half an hour an is very morish an horrible come down, the worste imho. well, be safe and have fun bro. PLUR.
Title: Re: MDMA vs Methylone
Post by: testicles on January 02, 2012, 01:09 am
Methylone is really tweaky and speedy whereas mdma is really clean and nice feeling. I dont get any physical side effects from mdma other than very minor jaw tension, and I don't fiend for more when I'm coming down.

With methylone I'm a fucking wreck every time i do it. Totally cracked out, lips smackin', teeth grinding, talking a mile a minute, burning up and sweating fucking buckets all night long its horrible I'll wake up the next morning in a puddle of sweat - yuck!

Oh yeah it dehydrates the hell out of me, I'd drink a gallon of water at least every time and piss every 20 minutes which isn't fun cause if ur lucky enough to go to sleep you're gonna wake up every hour to take another piss and wipe sweat off ur face.

Also always couldnt eat a damn thing, or get a boner, major vasoconstriction and weird heart problems, like scary shit like feeling ur arteries in ur neck pump and double beats and skipped beats. Also m1 puts my heart rate and blood pressure thru the roof. m1 also gives me anxiety and makes me paranoid on the comedown and since 90% of the time ur gonna have to redose it you'll probably have scary stimulant effects like shadow people and shit.
Title: Re: MDMA vs Methylone
Post by: kiwibacon on January 03, 2012, 01:00 pm
iv methylone is pretty awesome. while iv mdma is average. and im too impatient to take it orally
Title: Re: MDMA vs Methylone
Post by: thisisatest on January 03, 2012, 04:54 pm
Methylone is really tweaky and speedy whereas mdma is really clean and nice feeling. I dont get any physical side effects from mdma other than very minor jaw tension, and I don't fiend for more when I'm coming down.

With methylone I'm a fucking wreck every time i do it. Totally cracked out, lips smackin', teeth grinding, talking a mile a minute, burning up and sweating fucking buckets all night long its horrible I'll wake up the next morning in a puddle of sweat - yuck!

Oh yeah it dehydrates the hell out of me, I'd drink a gallon of water at least every time and piss every 20 minutes which isn't fun cause if ur lucky enough to go to sleep you're gonna wake up every hour to take another piss and wipe sweat off ur face.

Also always couldnt eat a damn thing, or get a boner, major vasoconstriction and weird heart problems, like scary shit like feeling ur arteries in ur neck pump and double beats and skipped beats. Also m1 puts my heart rate and blood pressure thru the roof. m1 also gives me anxiety and makes me paranoid on the comedown and since 90% of the time ur gonna have to redose it you'll probably have scary stimulant effects like shadow people and shit.

soo... you're saying go with the methylone???


 :P
Title: Re: MDMA vs Methylone
Post by: Maximark on January 04, 2012, 08:35 am
Go for MDMA.
GO FOR MDMA.

go for mdma.

SO much more euphoria, longer duration, more love. More tactile shit. Methylone is like, closer to MDMA than any other stim (imo) but still miles off.
Title: Re: MDMA vs Methylone
Post by: gg on January 08, 2012, 07:58 am
In my experience, when I took Methylone I felt energetic and talkative at times while introspective and quiet at other times. Emotionally, I felt content yet anxious. I was disappointed that music didn't sound intriguing and I didn't have any desire to dance. All of my preexisting self consciousness was still lingering in the background. After it wore off, I felt depressed and almost flu-like. I also had a slight headache.

The best thing to come out of the high was that I had a deep conversation, but I don't think that either of us really knew what we were talking about. It was happening a mile a minute.

When I took MDMA it was amazing. I felt open to other people emotionally in a way that I never have felt before. All of my usual feelings of self consciousness were gone. I also had a great time dancing.

The down side is that I probably looked weird to the average person. I think that I also experienced short term memory loss. The next day my vision was blurry and my muscles ached badly from dancing. I also had a weird sense of vertigo which eventually wore off. I still felt the peaceful glow even the next morning, and I don't remember crashing that badly.

Your experience will vary, of course.
Title: Re: MDMA vs Methylone
Post by: jochem on January 10, 2012, 03:37 pm
I've done MDMA/XTC pills quite a few times (15 times or so over a course of 4 years) and it's imo the most amazing drug around. It's great at techno parties, but also awesome to chill with a couple of friends and feel enormously connected.

Also been doing coke for a couple of years, mostly because I didn't want to take MDMA (less than 1~2 months apart and the effect will get very small, as your serotonin levels haven't gotten back to normal yet). Also love the fact that I can drink with coke (I can't with MDMA as I'll get huge blackouts). Haven't tried Methylone ever, as I've always thought of it being a cheap version of MDMA. Since MDMA is readily available where I'm living, I didn't really care for it.

From what I read in this thread, I'm definitely going to research it a bit further. Coke with a touch of MDMA sounds great to me. If it's true that it doesn't hit your serotonin levels as much as MDMA, it's also perfect for (bi-)weekly use. Anyone got some pointers to some good reading material about this stuff?
Title: Re: MDMA vs Methylone
Post by: foxymeow on January 12, 2012, 04:44 pm
I've done MDMA/XTC pills quite a few times (15 times or so over a course of 4 years) and it's imo the most amazing drug around. It's great at techno parties, but also awesome to chill with a couple of friends and feel enormously connected.

Also been doing coke for a couple of years, mostly because I didn't want to take MDMA (less than 1~2 months apart and the effect will get very small, as your serotonin levels haven't gotten back to normal yet). Also love the fact that I can drink with coke (I can't with MDMA as I'll get huge blackouts). Haven't tried Methylone ever, as I've always thought of it being a cheap version of MDMA. Since MDMA is readily available where I'm living, I didn't really care for it.

From what I read in this thread, I'm definitely going to research it a bit further. Coke with a touch of MDMA sounds great to me. If it's true that it doesn't hit your serotonin levels as much as MDMA, it's also perfect for (bi-)weekly use. Anyone got some pointers to some good reading material about this stuff?

Yeah it is like coke but better in almost every single way. It has almost no comedown, it has no paranoia, it makes you feel a little bit loved up, and goes down smooth. Its also great for finger dipping.
Title: Re: MDMA vs Methylone
Post by: Maximark on January 12, 2012, 11:23 pm
I've done MDMA/XTC pills quite a few times (15 times or so over a course of 4 years) and it's imo the most amazing drug around. It's great at techno parties, but also awesome to chill with a couple of friends and feel enormously connected.

Also been doing coke for a couple of years, mostly because I didn't want to take MDMA (less than 1~2 months apart and the effect will get very small, as your serotonin levels haven't gotten back to normal yet). Also love the fact that I can drink with coke (I can't with MDMA as I'll get huge blackouts). Haven't tried Methylone ever, as I've always thought of it being a cheap version of MDMA. Since MDMA is readily available where I'm living, I didn't really care for it.

From what I read in this thread, I'm definitely going to research it a bit further. Coke with a touch of MDMA sounds great to me. If it's true that it doesn't hit your serotonin levels as much as MDMA, it's also perfect for (bi-)weekly use. Anyone got some pointers to some good reading material about this stuff?

Yeah it is like coke but better in almost every single way. It has almost no comedown, it has no paranoia, it makes you feel a little bit loved up, and goes down smooth. Its also great for finger dipping.

Do you really find it that similar to cocaine? I love bk-mdma, dont get me wrong, but I've never thought it compared much to white. I dont really enjoy cocaine that much and I love methylone, because the character of the euphoria is so much more generous, loving and energetic.
Title: Re: MDMA vs Methylone
Post by: foxymeow on January 18, 2012, 04:04 am
I've done MDMA/XTC pills quite a few times (15 times or so over a course of 4 years) and it's imo the most amazing drug around. It's great at techno parties, but also awesome to chill with a couple of friends and feel enormously connected.

Also been doing coke for a couple of years, mostly because I didn't want to take MDMA (less than 1~2 months apart and the effect will get very small, as your serotonin levels haven't gotten back to normal yet). Also love the fact that I can drink with coke (I can't with MDMA as I'll get huge blackouts). Haven't tried Methylone ever, as I've always thought of it being a cheap version of MDMA. Since MDMA is readily available where I'm living, I didn't really care for it.

From what I read in this thread, I'm definitely going to research it a bit further. Coke with a touch of MDMA sounds great to me. If it's true that it doesn't hit your serotonin levels as much as MDMA, it's also perfect for (bi-)weekly use. Anyone got some pointers to some good reading material about this stuff?

Yeah it is like coke but better in almost every single way. It has almost no comedown, it has no paranoia, it makes you feel a little bit loved up, and goes down smooth. Its also great for finger dipping.

Do you really find it that similar to cocaine? I love bk-mdma, dont get me wrong, but I've never thought it compared much to white. I dont really enjoy cocaine that much and I love methylone, because the character of the euphoria is so much more generous, loving and energetic.

I feel like it is similar to cocaine in how its dosed and the kind of short acting nature of it. It can be used in place of cocaine at any party. However, it is A MILLION times better than cocaine.

6-APB is surprisingly similar to MDMA and makes you roll FUCKING BALLS. It has an MDA character to it.
Title: Re: MDMA vs Methylone
Post by: jochem on January 21, 2012, 10:15 am
Tried it a couple of days ago and I'm not really convinced, although I didn't have the change to really indulge in it as I had some work to do the next day. Ended up taking about 160mg and 7 beers. It really felt like a watered-down version of MDMA and not at all like coke. I don't even get how it would compare. I got some left and gonna try a bigger dose next time (and possibly a redose) and see how that works.
Title: Re: MDMA vs Methylone
Post by: racidacid on January 21, 2012, 12:25 pm
I've done MDMA/XTC pills quite a few times (15 times or so over a course of 4 years) and it's imo the most amazing drug around. It's great at techno parties, but also awesome to chill with a couple of friends and feel enormously connected.

Also been doing coke for a couple of years, mostly because I didn't want to take MDMA (less than 1~2 months apart and the effect will get very small, as your serotonin levels haven't gotten back to normal yet). Also love the fact that I can drink with coke (I can't with MDMA as I'll get huge blackouts). Haven't tried Methylone ever, as I've always thought of it being a cheap version of MDMA. Since MDMA is readily available where I'm living, I didn't really care for it.

From what I read in this thread, I'm definitely going to research it a bit further. Coke with a touch of MDMA sounds great to me. If it's true that it doesn't hit your serotonin levels as much as MDMA, it's also perfect for (bi-)weekly use. Anyone got some pointers to some good reading material about this stuff?

Yeah it is like coke but better in almost every single way. It has almost no comedown, it has no paranoia, it makes you feel a little bit loved up, and goes down smooth. Its also great for finger dipping.

Do you really find it that similar to cocaine? I love bk-mdma, dont get me wrong, but I've never thought it compared much to white. I dont really enjoy cocaine that much and I love methylone, because the character of the euphoria is so much more generous, loving and energetic.

I feel like it is similar to cocaine in how its dosed and the kind of short acting nature of it. It can be used in place of cocaine at any party. However, it is A MILLION times better than cocaine.

6-APB is surprisingly similar to MDMA and makes you roll FUCKING BALLS. It has an MDA character to it.

funny you say that! I recently tried fluroamphetamine (4-fa) and I fucking rolled balls of it not expecting much! In regards to MDMA vs methylone.. if you dont rinse out the MDMA (have regular breaks) than its MD all the way such a lovely drug
Title: Re: MDMA vs Methylone
Post by: foxymeow on January 22, 2012, 05:31 pm
I've done MDMA/XTC pills quite a few times (15 times or so over a course of 4 years) and it's imo the most amazing drug around. It's great at techno parties, but also awesome to chill with a couple of friends and feel enormously connected.

Also been doing coke for a couple of years, mostly because I didn't want to take MDMA (less than 1~2 months apart and the effect will get very small, as your serotonin levels haven't gotten back to normal yet). Also love the fact that I can drink with coke (I can't with MDMA as I'll get huge blackouts). Haven't tried Methylone ever, as I've always thought of it being a cheap version of MDMA. Since MDMA is readily available where I'm living, I didn't really care for it.

From what I read in this thread, I'm definitely going to research it a bit further. Coke with a touch of MDMA sounds great to me. If it's true that it doesn't hit your serotonin levels as much as MDMA, it's also perfect for (bi-)weekly use. Anyone got some pointers to some good reading material about this stuff?

Yeah it is like coke but better in almost every single way. It has almost no comedown, it has no paranoia, it makes you feel a little bit loved up, and goes down smooth. Its also great for finger dipping.

Do you really find it that similar to cocaine? I love bk-mdma, dont get me wrong, but I've never thought it compared much to white. I dont really enjoy cocaine that much and I love methylone, because the character of the euphoria is so much more generous, loving and energetic.

I feel like it is similar to cocaine in how its dosed and the kind of short acting nature of it. It can be used in place of cocaine at any party. However, it is A MILLION times better than cocaine.

6-APB is surprisingly similar to MDMA and makes you roll FUCKING BALLS. It has an MDA character to it.

funny you say that! I recently tried fluroamphetamine (4-fa) and I fucking rolled balls of it not expecting much! In regards to MDMA vs methylone.. if you dont rinse out the MDMA (have regular breaks) than its MD all the way such a lovely drug

4-FA is very powerful. I always end up cracked out for hours on it though. I used to make 4-FA and BK-MDBD caps and those would make you roll for 6 straight hours and have crazy fucking visuals.