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Discussion => Off topic => Topic started by: ChronicDemon on September 13, 2013, 10:16 am

Title: Im just fucking disgusted with the world today.
Post by: ChronicDemon on September 13, 2013, 10:16 am
-.- You know, i'd like to think ive seen it all, or well at least heard it all anyway.
And this really takes the cake for me.

Just sittin here messing with FB, and then i come across this DISGUSTING article.
Literally, after seeing the guys face, and reading the whole article, i'd be pushing for death penalty immediately.

( CLEAR NET )
http://www.optuszoo.com.au/news/top/news-com-au/945159/945159

I mean holy fuck....this guy planned on Kidnapping, Raping, and then Eating children.
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Post by: ppanth on September 13, 2013, 01:50 pm
I dont think I even want to read it, you explained enough. I am not sure how much the exact price of a bullet is, but it would certainly solve the problem with that guy.

 I would be happy to donate a bullet a day for anyone who plans to or rapes children.
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Post by: 88fxstc on September 13, 2013, 03:48 pm
I didn't read it either, the OP was enough. A bullet is too good and too easy a death for these types. All current forms of capital punishment are too easy for these animals. They should be killed very slowly and as painfully as possible. Shit, broadcast it live on TV and make it take 2 or 3 weeks. How can people be against capital punishment when it comes to scumbags like this.
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Post by: ireallygotthemunchies on September 13, 2013, 04:41 pm
dat man da shit bro he funny bro but looks like a pedo u get me
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Post by: LeatherBitch on September 13, 2013, 04:50 pm
I usually stay neutral, but death would be best in some cases.
Then again, this guy goes to prison and i know prison has it's own rules and law. Those who are involved with children are lowest in the food chain in there.
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Post by: ireallygotthemunchies on September 13, 2013, 04:54 pm
and for him children is in his food chain hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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Post by: CLK on September 13, 2013, 05:59 pm
Naasty shit, some people are just wired up wrong :\
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Post by: ireallygotthemunchies on September 13, 2013, 07:41 pm
dont noone get m joke tho?//.///./.?/????/
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Post by: FirePharmacy on September 13, 2013, 08:51 pm
Holy cow that is alarming!  Looks like he has lots of buddies that share his hobby.  My guess is he'll get what he deserves very fast in prison.
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Post by: Remediless on September 13, 2013, 09:14 pm
Ugh absolutely stomach-churning. He's clearly mentally ill and thank f-ck that they caught him before he lured any kids to his dungeon. People like that should just be given the lethal injection. It's like putting down a dog with rabies IMO.
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Post by: fuckingACE on September 13, 2013, 09:32 pm
That is some fucked up shit. When tickets are offered for getting the fuck out of this planet I am going to be in the first ship---
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Post by: JohnTheBaptist on September 13, 2013, 11:07 pm
and for him children is in his food chain hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Me get da dare rasclart, da man dem or shud I say da boy dem ere are boring yo, check these pussys wont have a giraffe at nuffin, safe do blood yeah
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Post by: CLK on September 13, 2013, 11:07 pm
Save me a ticket, i'd love to take acid in space, it'd be beautiful
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Post by: cryngie on September 14, 2013, 12:12 am
Just remember its only a small% of people who are serious head jobs, this guy is a prime example but dont loose faith in the world demon of chronic
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Post by: kmfkewm on September 14, 2013, 01:05 am
Guy certainly has some mental issues, and given that he solicited for a child to be abducted he probably is not just fantasizer. There is actually some evidence that people with the sickest fantasies are the least likely to act on them, and there are several examples of cases sort of similar to this where people were discussing very sick shit as well, and even talking about things they had done like this, and it turned out that none of them had actually done shit and it was all fantasy. That is actually a pretty common theme with the most sick sounding people, the people who say they butchered and ate kids are very unlikely to actually have done so. Of course, if they actually solicit for a kid to be kidnapped and butchered etc, it might be a different story. I don't know, I don't justify what this guy did at all, but it is true that they find the most sick sounding people are often in fantasy and not actually planning to do things. But at the same time once he solicited a child to be kidnapped, he crossed the line as a child could really be kidnapped at his request.

This guy is a bit extreme too, he actually built a dungeon and solicited someone to kidnap a child for him, so in his case it was probably not just fantasy, which is extremely disturbing. Pretty fucking disturbed individual without doubt, and that CP they were trading sounds like the worst ever. Even most of the extreme CP would not reach that level, it is not at all common and what they had is pretty certainly the worst of the worst.

I think this is probably linked to the Violent Desires hidden service that got taken down by the Dutch police. I think it was considered the worst of all of the CP sites ever to exist, in terms of the violence depicted and the conversations of the people. I think this was first Tor hidden service related to CP to be busted, with pedoforum after it and then all the FH ones. Violent Desires was probably the worst of all.

Really this guy obviously deserves to go to jail for the rest of his life considering he solicited help in abducting a child. I am shocked they are only trying to get him 27 years! He almost certainly had enough CP to get a life sentence, since every picture can be its own charge, and any jury would put this guy away. But I still do not think it is the pictures he had that should put him away, but his solicitation of a child. It is hard to argue for the freedom of people to look at such images, they are the worst images you could imagine. People looking at jailbait it doesn't bother me at all (nor would it bother me in many cases if they actually had sex with young teenagers), even people looking at a lot of younger CP doesn't really bother me (though they should not have sex with young children). CP like this actually causes an emotional reaction in me, and I have to wonder if somebody is into this are they really sane enough to be trusted outside of prison? But I still look past this emotional response, and use my sense of morality and logic. A picture of a severely abused child is not a severely abused child, many people who are into such images can keep their fantasies compartmentalized, there is no proof that people looking at such pictures causes children to be harmed, and it is magical thinking to think that viewing the picture causes the depicted child to be harmed again. I still do not think such image should be censored, because we need to have freedom of information we cannot have censorship no matter how disturbing the things some people enjoy looking at are. The same reason why I think it should be legal to look at jailbait or look at holocaust picture it holds for all information, and I cannot let an emotional feeling blind me to the immorality of censorship and prevent me from thinking in a rational way.

Part of me can see the difference between someone who looks at an image like these guys were looking at and the people looking at other types of legal/illegal porn. Maybe something is much more wrong with this person than is wrong with someone who looks at softcore CP or jailbait, or even hardcore CP but not to such a totally extreme degree that it becomes cannibalistic snuff child porn. I am not sure. But maybe still people cannot control what they find sexually attractive, but can control themselves. Maybe these guys would have murdered a kid and ate the kid, but instead viewed images? I don't know. I do think it is fucked up FH admin going to prison for 100 years for hosting CP sites, and this guy is only facing under 30 years for trying to get somebody to kidnap a kid for him to eat. I think it is fucked up that CP laws put a person who looks at naked 15 year olds, something that is not really even an abnormal desire, in the same category as someone who looks at pictures of dead kids being cut into slabs of meat. But that is just at an emotional level. At a logical level, there is still a voice in my head telling me a picture is a picture, a picture of severe child abuse is not severe child abuse, a fantasy is not an action. But this person took it beyond a fantasy when he tried to get someone to kidnap a kid. So why is he only going to prison 27 years, when FH admin only hosted a site and did not try to get a child kidnapped to be murdered and eaten, and FH admin faces 100 years?

This is the result of the emotional thinking, illogical laws. A person who solicits for a child to be killed so he can eat the child faces less time in prison than a person who hosted 1,000,000 or so CP images, because in the eyes of the emotional people the person who let 1000 people see 1,000,000 images of child abuse abused a child 1,000,000,000 times, and the person who tried to get a child to eat only planned to abuse one.
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Post by: JohnTheBaptist on September 14, 2013, 11:07 am
I like how you slipped in the old fact that it wouldn't bother you if they had sex with teenagers. Get yourself over to primeassteens.com and let off some steam.
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Post by: fuckingACE on September 14, 2013, 05:33 pm
And this weeks peado quotes of the week go to :

But I still do not think it is the pictures he had that should put him away, ..... People looking at jailbait it doesn't bother me at all (nor would it bother me in many cases if they actually had sex with young teenagers), even people looking at a lot of younger CP doesn't really bother me (though they should not have sex with young children).
A picture of a severely abused child is not a severely abused child, many people who are into such images can keep their fantasies compartmentalized, there is no proof that people looking at such pictures causes children to be harmed, and it is magical thinking to think that viewing the picture causes the depicted child to be harmed again. I still do not think such image should be censored, because we need to have freedom of information we cannot have censorship no matter how disturbing the things some people enjoy looking at are. The same reason why I think it should be legal to look at jailbait or look at holocaust picture it holds for all information.

Filthy bastard
Title: Re: Im just fucking disgusted with the world today.
Post by: kmfkewm on September 14, 2013, 09:56 pm
I like how you slipped in the old fact that it wouldn't bother you if they had sex with teenagers. Get yourself over to primeassteens.com and let off some steam.

primeassteens is illegal, and if you view images of enthusiastic teenagers flashing their mirrors for their camera phones, I have it on good source that you cause them to flash their mirrors for their camera phones all over again.
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Post by: tree on September 14, 2013, 10:14 pm
And this weeks peado quotes of the week go to :

But I still do not think it is the pictures he had that should put him away, ..... People looking at jailbait it doesn't bother me at all (nor would it bother me in many cases if they actually had sex with young teenagers), even people looking at a lot of younger CP doesn't really bother me (though they should not have sex with young children).
A picture of a severely abused child is not a severely abused child, many people who are into such images can keep their fantasies compartmentalized, there is no proof that people looking at such pictures causes children to be harmed, and it is magical thinking to think that viewing the picture causes the depicted child to be harmed again. I still do not think such image should be censored, because we need to have freedom of information we cannot have censorship no matter how disturbing the things some people enjoy looking at are. The same reason why I think it should be legal to look at jailbait or look at holocaust picture it holds for all information.

Filthy bastard

What's so filthy about that? He only said that people looking at CP didn't bother him.
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Post by: kmfkewm on September 14, 2013, 10:31 pm
And this weeks peado quotes of the week go to :

But I still do not think it is the pictures he had that should put him away, ..... People looking at jailbait it doesn't bother me at all (nor would it bother me in many cases if they actually had sex with young teenagers), even people looking at a lot of younger CP doesn't really bother me (though they should not have sex with young children).
A picture of a severely abused child is not a severely abused child, many people who are into such images can keep their fantasies compartmentalized, there is no proof that people looking at such pictures causes children to be harmed, and it is magical thinking to think that viewing the picture causes the depicted child to be harmed again. I still do not think such image should be censored, because we need to have freedom of information we cannot have censorship no matter how disturbing the things some people enjoy looking at are. The same reason why I think it should be legal to look at jailbait or look at holocaust picture it holds for all information.

Filthy bastard

What's so filthy about that? He only said that people looking at CP didn't bother him.

Didn't you hear? If people looking at CP doesn't bother you it means you pedophile and want to eat children.
Title: Re: Im just fucking disgusted with the world today.
Post by: helll on September 15, 2013, 01:46 pm
there is no proof that people looking at such pictures causes children to be harmed, and it is magical thinking to think that viewing the picture causes the depicted child to be harmed again.

kmf, in general I agree with most of your opinions on CP, but I always wonder if you're not being a little disingenuous when you argue against the idea of revictimization.  For instance, I have seen you say many times that a picture of a crime is not a crime, e.g. someone watching a video of you being robbed does not mean that person should be charged with robbing you.  I agree in this case, of course.

But let's assume the following... tomorrow you will be robbed, then later on someone rapes you (bad day) and both acts are filmed.  Which video would you rather fall into public circulation?  For me the rape video circulating would cause some significant mental anguish, but the robbery video I really couldn't care less about.  Would there be any difference in trauma knowing that 100 people had seen the rape video vs. 100,000?  I'm not sure about that one but I think so.

That said, I remain in favor of legalizing distribution and possession of CP.

I think it's an unnecessary point to argue whether revictimization exists.  You'd have better luck if you argue that 1) once a image hits the internet or especially a network like Freenet, it is unlikely to ever fall out of circulation and 2) any harms caused by revictimization (null or otherwise) are outweighed by the harms caused by the criminalization of CP possession/distribution.

The thought that all this leads me to is, does it make sense to implement a penalty for the person that introduces these types of images to a public network?  That's obviously incredibly sticky though... what counts as a network?  The internet?  Giving photos to some friends?  In the latter definition the penalty would necessarily end up as an additional charge against the producer.

Anyway, I think there is a little more nuance to this aspect of the CP debate than you sometimes give it credit for, but I general I find your arguments compelling and the opposing side to be more or less hopelessly biased by their gut-reaction to the thought of some dude sticking his dick into a five year old.
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Post by: kmfkewm on September 15, 2013, 06:31 pm
How am I going to know how many people saw the video of me being raped? If some anonymous person downloads the video, how am I going to know that? Better yet, if it is distributed via PIR like systems, it becomes essentially impossible for anybody to know the number of people who viewed the video. I already said in another thread, it is not somebody viewing the video that causes the distress in the person depicted, it is the possibility that somebody will see the video. After a video such as this is uploaded to the internet, the possibility for people to see it will exist regardless of if anybody ever does see it, and in many cases the person depicted in the video will never be able to tell if no people or a thousand people or a million people saw the video. It is the possibility that someone will see the video that causes them stress, and that possibility is independent of anybody ever looking at the video or not.
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Post by: helll on September 15, 2013, 10:48 pm
How am I going to know how many people saw the video of me being raped? If some anonymous person downloads the video, how am I going to know that? Better yet, if it is distributed via PIR like systems, it becomes essentially impossible for anybody to know the number of people who viewed the video. I already said in another thread, it is not somebody viewing the video that causes the distress in the person depicted, it is the possibility that somebody will see the video. After a video such as this is uploaded to the internet, the possibility for people to see it will exist regardless of if anybody ever does see it, and in many cases the person depicted in the video will never be able to tell if no people or a thousand people or a million people saw the video. It is the possibility that someone will see the video that causes them stress, and that possibility is independent of anybody ever looking at the video or not.

In a world where distribution/possession is legal, it would be easy to find out.  Your video would end up on Pornhub or some other site where the view count is conveniently displayed.  Maybe a few people would use PIR systems to avoid the stigma of potentially being discovered as a CP viewer, but you and I both know that if it were legal most would not.

Going back to the question I asked, do you think it makes sense to add an additional charge for producers or people closely tied to producers who upload content to the internet?  I understand that it would violate the hard-line stance you usually take on censorship.

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Post by: JohnTheBaptist on September 16, 2013, 11:08 am
I like how you slipped in the old fact that it wouldn't bother you if they had sex with teenagers. Get yourself over to primeassteens.com and let off some steam.

primeassteens is illegal, and if you view images of enthusiastic teenagers flashing their mirrors for their camera phones, I have it on good source that you cause them to flash their mirrors for their camera phones all over again.
    Ha!  illegal, I know but so are drugs. Its just they are so dam good.  Beautiful teenagers and their tight snatches.
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Post by: CLK on September 16, 2013, 02:36 pm
In my eyes CP and jailbait lass's are completely different things, to me child porn is people abusing children (generallly people under 12 imo), that shits horrible cause the kids don't know properly whats  doing, theyr just kids and should never be subjected to some nasty vicious adult taking out their sick fantasy on them. I accept that some people are pedos, same as some people are gay, and being a pedo isnt a crime in itself if you cant help it, its when you act on it, abusing kids and destroying their childhood then you become the evil cunt.

Jailbait girls are generally 13+ (minimum, normally 15+), and i reckon that they're old enough to make their own decisions. Personally i wouldn't fuck anyone under 15 (and even that's depending on the 15 year old, if shes a kid mentally n physically then god no, but some people are mature for their age), but i know 14 year olds that are more developed physically and mentally than 25 year olds i know. Shit i don't see anything wrong with those relationships in most cases, so long as they arn't being forced into it/manipulated into it but that happens with people of all ages, i hate the lack of freedom and saying that people can't decide for themselves, the government saying a 15 year old cant fall in love with a 25 year old, than you can't put sweet sweet opiates into your body, that you fucking americans cant even have kinder eggs because the government says they're too dangerous. The worlds gone mad, they treat us like we're retarded babies..

Disclaimer: I have never slept with underage teens and have no desire or plan to, i was just explaining whats acceptable in my eyes