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Discussion => Drug safety => Topic started by: Mayte on October 24, 2012, 11:57 pm

Title: Spacing apart MDMA
Post by: Mayte on October 24, 2012, 11:57 pm
So I don't roll very frequently.. maybe once or twice a year normally, but I'm going to make an exception for the upcoming weeks. I have a party this weekend that I'm going to, and an event 2 weeks after that where I'd like to roll both days. Ideally, I want to roll three times within this 2 week span, but I'd like your advice.. (I have F16 and PF molly)

For the first party, it will be my friend's first time and she asked me to roll with her - what kind of friend would I be if I made her take it alone?!  ;)

The event is 2 days, which is 2 weeks after the party. I was planning on taking MDMA the first day, and then MDMA + 2cb the second day. these are the only substances I have/will be able to get in time.

Would I be able to roll all 3 times? Do you have any suggested dosages (I weigh about 50kg if that helps) ? Also, I have some 5-HTP that I can take for after the party, if that would help.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Spacing apart MDMA
Post by: flicky42 on October 25, 2012, 03:14 am
In addition to the 5-htp be sure to take Vitamin C before and after you roll and alpha lipoic acid after you roll. It will reduce nuerotoxic effects and will keep your tolerance down, very important.

I would try to refrain from doing it 3 times in 2 weeks especially when you are combing 2c-b with it. 2 times in 2 weeks is ok but only if you are doing it rarely and pre-loading/post-loading.

Also do not drink alochol on MDMA its really bad for you idk why so many people do it.
Title: Re: Spacing apart MDMA
Post by: Gusman17 on October 25, 2012, 03:27 am
With outstanding molly like PF's (not tried F16), you're good to go. Don't make it  regular thing but yeah, it is definitely doable.
Title: Re: Spacing apart MDMA
Post by: gestaltassault2 on October 25, 2012, 07:55 am
you might not feel the MDMA on the 2nd day of the event...you may deplete your serotonin during the first night or your receptors will have downregulated by the next day...

also after only 2 weeks of recovery time you may experience diminished effects during the event...

this is what i would do:

as stated before preload with 5-htp and vitamin C...
do a moderately low dose at the first party...like 100mg of the molly...
postload for the 2  weeks leading up to the event...
take just the 2C-B on the first night of the event...
then on the 2nd day of the event take a higher dose of MDMA...like 200mg...
Title: Re: Spacing apart MDMA
Post by: Mayte on October 26, 2012, 12:44 am
Would it affect anything if instead of taking molly for the party, I only took a small oral dose (15-20mg) of 2c-b while my friend rolled? I'd feel bad being on a different substance than her, but would we be on somewhat similar levels? Or maybe I could ask if she would be willing to try the 2c-b instead...
Title: Re: Spacing apart MDMA
Post by: Theaides on October 26, 2012, 12:49 am
Do it OP, you'll have a great time, especially if you space your "binges" out by that much.  I can usually roll two weekends in a row and then break for 2 months or so and roll for a couple events again with no problems. 

I have friends who've rolled on a weekly basis for a year straight and were just fine, they admitted it wasn't nearly as epic by the 6 or 7th time, but still made for fun nights.  I find 6 weeks is more than enough time to get your "magic" back up to speed.  Hell I rolled 4 times in one week (big festival) and every night was equally epic as the last, but that's also a very magical place to do it so set and setting is still kind of a factor with MDMA ;)
Title: Re: Spacing apart MDMA
Post by: gestaltassault2 on October 26, 2012, 07:02 am
Would it affect anything if instead of taking molly for the party, I only took a small oral dose (15-20mg) of 2c-b while my friend rolled? I'd feel bad being on a different substance than her, but would we be on somewhat similar levels? Or maybe I could ask if she would be willing to try the 2c-b instead...
there are a few things you are obligated to do as being a tripsitter/guide to your friend:

- you must make sure your friend is safe at all times
- you must make sure your friend has what she needs when she needs it (like water)
- you must be able to reassure her that the things that she is feeling during her altered state are normal effects of the drugs she has taken
- if she starts to freak out (uncommon on MDMA but still possible if she's sensitive) you need to be able to guide her back to a positive space

if you can do all these things then it doesn't matter what you're on...although it might be a more meaningful experience for the both of you if you're both on MDMA...i've tripsitted/rollsitted my friends and all i was on was a little weed or some alcohol or completely sober even and it was no problem other than the empathy of their rolls making them wish that i was rolling too because their experience was so great that they wanted me to be rolling with them...

2C-B seems a little advanced for a newbie...although i did try LSD before i tried MDMA...
MDMA seems like a better "introduction" to psychedelics...
Title: Re: Spacing apart MDMA
Post by: Theaides on October 26, 2012, 10:12 am
I wouldn't call MDMA a psychedelic at all...2c-b IMO is about as introductory to psychs as you can get without it being potentially boring.
Title: Re: Spacing apart MDMA
Post by: Mayte on October 27, 2012, 06:45 pm
So I decided we're just going to take the MDMA for the party. My friend has had experience with shrooms before, so shes not entirely new to psychedelics, but I feel like we should just stick to the classic love drug for the time being. I will probably take 100-115 mg or so, no redose, and properly postload/preload throughout the 2 weeks.

Thanks everyone for the help :)
Title: Re: Spacing apart MDMA
Post by: Shroomeister on October 27, 2012, 06:56 pm
I wouldn't call MDMA a psychedelic at all..

...Then you haven't done enough of it (amount)
Title: Re: Spacing apart MDMA
Post by: KripsyKreamer187 on October 27, 2012, 07:01 pm
i rolled for 10 days straight on Dopeboys stuff when he was around, needed .5 to roll on the last day and had very little crash. Go big or go home. Since then i have not rolled that much nor do i plan on rolling that much again. Now i roll 2 times in a month then take 2 months off or more and then repeat. I find that works for me with no diminished results
Title: Re: Spacing apart MDMA
Post by: gestaltassault2 on October 27, 2012, 08:20 pm
you dont space rolls so that you can roll, you space them to reduce neurotoxicity and stress on your serotonin system.

as long as you preload and post load and your tolerance isnt already up there you will roll hard every single time.

The point of taking a break is so you dont damage your body.

I know people that roll multiple times a week year round from working in the club scene for a bit...its just not a good idea.

but do what makes you happy.
i bet your friends require stupidly high doses now...

you fry your neurons and you won't be happy for long...
Title: Re: Spacing apart MDMA
Post by: Aidoneus on October 27, 2012, 08:25 pm
I wouldn't call MDMA a psychedelic at all..

...Then you haven't done enough of it (amount)

/signed.
.Hades.
Title: Re: Spacing apart MDMA
Post by: WhereAmI on October 27, 2012, 10:59 pm
I wouldn't call MDMA a psychedelic at all..

...Then you haven't done enough of it (amount)

I hallucinate all the time of mandy. But I've read (don't remember the source) that it's not all that common. I don't even have to take that much anymore to get them but they can get really intense. The auditory hallucinations are the most ridiculous. I get those so bad.
Title: Re: Spacing apart MDMA
Post by: badxxx on October 28, 2012, 05:12 pm
If i take more than 200mg of a good product, i can't talk to anybody normally. I even can't see things the right way.  I haven't had any strong psychadelic experiences, but my tolerance is quite high and the top of the trip is very short for me (but it last longer than for most others)
Title: Re: Spacing apart MDMA
Post by: genghar on October 28, 2012, 06:22 pm
Would it affect anything if instead of taking molly for the party, I only took a small oral dose (15-20mg) of 2c-b while my friend rolled? I'd feel bad being on a different substance than her, but would we be on somewhat similar levels? Or maybe I could ask if she would be willing to try the 2c-b instead...
there are a few things you are obligated to do as being a tripsitter/guide to your friend:

- you must make sure your friend is safe at all times
- you must make sure your friend has what she needs when she needs it (like water)
- you must be able to reassure her that the things that she is feeling during her altered state are normal effects of the drugs she has taken
- if she starts to freak out (uncommon on MDMA but still possible if she's sensitive) you need to be able to guide her back to a positive space

if you can do all these things then it doesn't matter what you're on...although it might be a more meaningful experience for the both of you if you're both on MDMA...i've tripsitted/rollsitted my friends and all i was on was a little weed or some alcohol or completely sober even and it was no problem other than the empathy of their rolls making them wish that i was rolling too because their experience was so great that they wanted me to be rolling with them...

2C-B seems a little advanced for a newbie...although i did try LSD before i tried MDMA...
MDMA seems like a better "introduction" to psychedelics...

You must have been party to terrible MDMA experiences.  Trip-sitting somebody who is rolling sounds crazy to me.
Title: Re: Spacing apart MDMA
Post by: gestaltassault2 on October 29, 2012, 02:08 am
Would it affect anything if instead of taking molly for the party, I only took a small oral dose (15-20mg) of 2c-b while my friend rolled? I'd feel bad being on a different substance than her, but would we be on somewhat similar levels? Or maybe I could ask if she would be willing to try the 2c-b instead...
there are a few things you are obligated to do as being a tripsitter/guide to your friend:

- you must make sure your friend is safe at all times
- you must make sure your friend has what she needs when she needs it (like water)
- you must be able to reassure her that the things that she is feeling during her altered state are normal effects of the drugs she has taken
- if she starts to freak out (uncommon on MDMA but still possible if she's sensitive) you need to be able to guide her back to a positive space

if you can do all these things then it doesn't matter what you're on...although it might be a more meaningful experience for the both of you if you're both on MDMA...i've tripsitted/rollsitted my friends and all i was on was a little weed or some alcohol or completely sober even and it was no problem other than the empathy of their rolls making them wish that i was rolling too because their experience was so great that they wanted me to be rolling with them...

2C-B seems a little advanced for a newbie...although i did try LSD before i tried MDMA...
MDMA seems like a better "introduction" to psychedelics...

You must have been party to terrible MDMA experiences.  Trip-sitting somebody who is rolling sounds crazy to me.
i come from a time when pills literally put you on your ass and reduced you to a puddle of euphoria...it's a very vulnerable state to be in and i made sure nobody tried to take advantage of my friends...
Title: Re: Spacing apart MDMA
Post by: dead salmon on October 30, 2012, 03:02 am
4 times a month is my hard limit.  With at least 24 hr between rolls.
Title: Re: Spacing apart MDMA
Post by: Aidoneus on October 30, 2012, 09:42 pm
Observe Shulgan's 3 month rule. 8)
.Hades.