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Market => Product requests => Topic started by: Adifferentname on May 22, 2012, 02:11 pm

Title: Ergotamine
Post by: Adifferentname on May 22, 2012, 02:11 pm
Just a preliminary enquiry at this point however....

A friend of mine has been after a good source of this for a fair few years now with varying degrees of success.  Fluctuating quantities, prices, complicated systems involving disappearing doctors. even attempts at culturing ergot in vast swimming pools have all been hit and miss.

Now after using the road for a little while and noticing people offering chemicals with varying levels of international control and scrutiny, I thought I might as well pose the question; are there any sources here?  If yes, how serious are they?

Interesting in finding out pricing, quantity available and of course how you would propose to ship safely and keep authorities from hunting a missing batch (not expecting specifics of course).

Sincerely intrigued.
Title: Re: Ergotamine
Post by: Adifferentname on May 22, 2012, 02:33 pm
Seems impractical at first glance; if it;s the right stuff it's 1mg per pill at, what $1 a pill.....so $100k for 1kg and then you have to separate it which takes time, equipment and manpower.

I'm asking about lab grade and quantity supply.
Title: Re: Ergotamine
Post by: Del Ellis on May 22, 2012, 03:06 pm
Yeah, extraction from cafergot is totally impractical from what I gather. Assuming your goal is LSD synthesis I've been told yields are generally 1 part LSD per 5 parts of ergotamine tartrate. So to make a 10 gram batch of LSD crystal you'd need 50,000 tablets. While $50k worth of cafergot tablets (assuming $1/pill) could yield, mmm, $150k worth of L (and that's a generous estimate for wholesale prices that you'd only get if your crystal was ridiculously pure) the extra manpower required to extract and purify that ergotamine from the tablets would be a nightmare and a $50k startup cost for just one precursor (albeit the most important) is more or less cost-prohibitive.

Word around the campfire is that my L actually comes from LSA extracted from HBWR seeds but the chemist(s) prefer(s) to work with ET when available. This is total hearsay, though. I've always hypothesized that many chemists use (or should be trying to use) ergometrine/ergonovine to synthesize LSD, as this should be much easier to divert from medical sources than lab grade ergotamine and every bit as viable of a precursor if you go about it the right way.
Title: Re: Ergotamine
Post by: Adifferentname on May 22, 2012, 03:48 pm
Yeah, extraction from cafergot is totally impractical from what I gather. Assuming your goal is LSD synthesis I've been told yields are generally 1 part LSD per 5 parts of ergotamine tartrate. So to make a 10 gram batch of LSD crystal you'd need 50,000 tablets. While $50k worth of cafergot tablets (assuming $1/pill) could yield, mmm, $150k worth of L (and that's a generous estimate for wholesale prices that you'd only get if your crystal was ridiculously pure) the extra manpower required to extract and purify that ergotamine from the tablets would be a nightmare and a $50k startup cost for just one precursor (albeit the most important) is more or less cost-prohibitive.

My thoughts exactly.
Word around the campfire is that my L actually comes from LSA extracted from HBWR seeds but the chemist(s) prefer(s) to work with ET when available. This is total hearsay, though. I've always hypothesized that many chemists use (or should be trying to use) ergometrine/ergonovine to synthesize LSD, as this should be much easier to divert from medical sources than lab grade ergotamine and every bit as viable of a precursor if you go about it the right way.

HBWR seeds came to mind years ago when first skimming through the subject out of interest, since then though, most chemists i've mentioned it to as a viable solution have chuckled at me as if to say "ah young whippersnapper, so much to learn".  The latter path to synthesis I'm not educated about, perhaps they could be a good line of inquiry.  My interest lies specifically with ergotamine tartrate due to friends using it, always in need of more and running into all the usual hurdles when it comes to restock time.
Title: Re: Ergotamine
Post by: Del Ellis on May 22, 2012, 05:58 pm
I bet we have mutual friends-of-friends, haha.

I've been asked repeatedly to explore all possible avenues for acquiring ergotamine but I'd be highly highly suspicious of anyone purporting to offer it here so I haven't ever barked up this tree as you are. I'd be so insanely paranoid about catching such a blatant precursor from such a publicly accessible avenue that I'd never even consider it.

I'm all ears for anyone who has any useful information about how the world of ergotamine acquisition actually works. I'm at least 3 hops down from the chemist but I find all of that fascinating even if I don't care to involve myself in the L trade at that level.

I always heard that Picard had old-school Russian connections (purportedly legal chemical companies) who would actually produce ET from cultivated ergot, connections that existed before and continued to exist after the collapse of the Soviet Union. Given how pervasive organized crime is in Russia I wonder what ever happened to those supposed connections and if that's how it still works (or if it ever really worked that way in the first place).
Title: Re: Ergotamine
Post by: Adifferentname on May 22, 2012, 06:37 pm
You never know...not that many people doing it well on a decent scale in the world heh.

Likewise I'd be very suspicious (especially regarding approaches to making it fall off the map) but thought why not ask, there's clearly a market for it and at the very least it could stimulate some interesting discussions.

Aquisition-wise:  the standard method I'm aware of involves a hospital that can close and a doctor that's either prepared to do time or run to an appropriate country.  Far from easy however, especially then making the trail vanish before lucinda floods the scene.

Picard I'm unaware of.  Had friends over the years that attempted cultivation on various scales but could never get a satisfactory system and result for reasons that I didn't really understand or enquire into at the time unfortunately.