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Title: The Syrian Conflict
Post by: Adasel on August 27, 2012, 04:50 pm
Seriously, we have gotten involved in major shit that was illegal in the past, why dont we just go in and help the Free Syria Army take back what is rightfully theirs?

What the fuck is stopping us???
Title: Re: The Syrian Conflict
Post by: mito on August 27, 2012, 04:53 pm
Seriously, we have gotten involved in major shit that was illegal in the past, why dont we just go in and help the Free Syria Army take back what is rightfully theirs?

What the fuck is stopping us???

Free Syria army take back what is rightfully theirs?

What exacly is the Free Syrian army?
What is rightfully theirs?

They're a bunch of thugs IMO, not better than Assad.
Title: Re: The Syrian Conflict
Post by: Adasel on August 27, 2012, 04:55 pm
They have a war mongering government that forced it to become secretarian violence.
How else are you supposed to fight a government that is willing to send in mercs to kill families etc.
Title: Re: The Syrian Conflict
Post by: mito on August 27, 2012, 04:57 pm
They have a war mongering government that forced it to become secretarian violence.
How else are you supposed to fight a government that is willing to send in mercs to kill families etc.

How do know it's not the rebels killing those innocent civilians?

Again, I don't trust those rebels as I distrust Assad.

Let them handle their own problems, we shouldn't get involved in that civil war.
Title: Re: The Syrian Conflict
Post by: Adasel on August 27, 2012, 05:11 pm
That is exactly my point.  We have gotten involved in "illegal" wars.  Lets get in there and get Assad the fuck out of the way.
And we ALL know due to the news that it was Assad who had families killed.  He is just like his father.
You tell me the difference between this and lets say, Iraq or Afghanistan.  Oh wait, Iraq was for the oil and Afghanistan was about Bush Junior getting revenge for a job his dad failed to accomplish.
Lets do something moral for once.
Title: Re: The Syrian Conflict
Post by: mito on August 27, 2012, 05:20 pm
That is exactly my point.  We have gotten involved in "illegal" wars.  Lets get in there and get Assad the fuck out of the way.
And we ALL know due to the news that it was Assad who had families killed.  He is just like his father.
You tell me the difference between this and lets say, Iraq or Afghanistan.  Oh wait, Iraq was for the oil and Afghanistan was about Bush Junior getting revenge for a job his dad failed to accomplish.
Lets do something moral for once.

Look at Lybia.

We had Kadaffi killed and now thugs are in power killing each other, torturing, killing, etc.

Title: Re: The Syrian Conflict
Post by: MagicMan on August 27, 2012, 06:50 pm
I say we take a page from Vietnam and Libya and let the sovereign people of Syria do whatever the hell it is they want without our intervention.

Most of them believe in a God so just let their God do whatever to them.
Title: Re: The Syrian Conflict
Post by: sselevol on August 27, 2012, 09:28 pm
I say we take a page from Vietnam and Libya and let the sovereign people of Syria do whatever the hell it is they want without our intervention.

Most of them believe in a God so just let their God do whatever to them.
Yeah, like that first bit ever happened. :o

In Syria a lot of motorcyclists don't wear helmets because they believe that everything is determined by God and if they get their head crushed by a lorry then it's God's will. Different strokes and all that.
Title: Re: The Syrian Conflict
Post by: MagicMan on August 27, 2012, 09:41 pm
I say we take a page from Vietnam and Libya and let the sovereign people of Syria do whatever the hell it is they want without our intervention.

Most of them believe in a God so just let their God do whatever to them.
Yeah, like that first bit ever happened. :o

In Syria a lot of motorcyclists don't wear helmets because they believe that everything is determined by God and if they get their head crushed by a lorry then it's God's will. Different strokes and all that.

I meant that we saw how foreign intervention did little if anything to improve the situation of the native people. Sorry for being vague.
Title: Re: The Syrian Conflict
Post by: Montell Williams on August 27, 2012, 10:10 pm
That is exactly my point.  We have gotten involved in "illegal" wars.  Lets get in there and get Assad the fuck out of the way.
And we ALL know due to the news that it was Assad who had families killed.  He is just like his father.
You tell me the difference between this and lets say, Iraq or Afghanistan.  Oh wait, Iraq was for the oil and Afghanistan was about Bush Junior getting revenge for a job his dad failed to accomplish.
Lets do something moral for once.

If American rebels tried to take down the US government would you support the rebels or the government?

The US government would kill anyone and everyone who stands against them. That is exactly what the Syrian government is doing. It's what the Libyan government did and it's what every government would do. The difference between Syria and the US is that the US does not have a worthy rebellion. They keep any type of rebellious group completely in check.

Anyways the main reason there is war in Syria is because the US wants to cut off Russia's supply of oil.
Title: Re: The Syrian Conflict
Post by: peels4u on August 27, 2012, 10:39 pm
I think each case (war or conflict) should be looked at differently.  I am glad that other countries got involved in WWII.  Involvement should have taken place in Rwanda.  But in Lybia, Vietnam, and possibly Syria, involvement could prove pointless, as you are simply changing one evil regime with another.
Title: Re: The Syrian Conflict
Post by: ralph123 on August 27, 2012, 10:54 pm
I don't trust what the media says. It tells us what our government wants us to think. It shouldn't be up to America to police the world but it is I guess since they are the super power of the world. There's a lot of people that need help here instead of our taxes going to help rebuild one country after another. WW2 was definately a good reason to get involved with hitler trying to take over the world and all. And of course bin laden had to die along with those who were responsible for crashing into the towers. Fact is I might not like you and you might not like me but we will both stand up for one another's freedoms as Americans against tyranny like those stupid fucks and really we should help the weaker folks. As a super power it is our resposibility to take up for those who are not able to fight. There is a very high price for freedom.
Title: Re: The Syrian Conflict
Post by: ZenAndTheArt on August 27, 2012, 11:19 pm
I don't trust what the media says. It tells us what our government wants us to think. It shouldn't be up to America to police the world but it is I guess since they are the super power of the world. There's a lot of people that need help here instead of our taxes going to help rebuild one country after another. WW2 was definately a good reason to get involved with hitler trying to take over the world and all. And of course bin laden had to die along with those who were responsible for crashing into the towers. Fact is I might not like you and you might not like me but we will both stand up for one another's freedoms as Americans against tyranny like those stupid fucks and really we should help the weaker folks. As a super power it is our resposibility to take up for those who are not able to fight. There is a very high price for freedom.
I agree with you that the media isn't 100% trustworthy.
But, if your saying your taxes went to rebuild the resent counties America has invaded, I think you'll find that isn't the case. War can sometimes be a very profitable exercise, especially for the private contractors sent in after an invasion.
Title: Re: The Syrian Conflict
Post by: Ben on August 28, 2012, 12:25 am
Have any of you even been in Syria? I visited the country a couple of times before all hell broke loose there, and I must say it used to be a pretty pleasant country to be in at the time.

The situation there has always been a bit tense between government, muslim extremists and christian minorities though. Under the rule of Assad it certainly was a police state, but he managed to keep the internal peace for many years despite all the differences. You may feel like supporting the rebellion in its fight against a dictator, but if they take control over syria the outcome may be very bad for a large number of people. Alawites and christians will likely not be spared if assad is overthrown. You can see him has an evil dictator or great stabilizer depending on which team you are with. but i have no doubt this rebellion will cost more lives then his continued position in power there.

American intervention will probably not be appreciated at all since most people there will look upon it as an Israeli ally invading their country, regardless which side the us ends up aiding.
Title: Re: The Syrian Conflict
Post by: ProudCannabian on August 28, 2012, 02:34 am
The US thinks it's ok to invade peoples shit and kill them for oil, or revenge, or to "prevent communism," but to want to actually do good in a situation where the government forces are actually killing babies and raping women in an effort to root out the so called "terrorists."  Naw, fuck that shit, let them fuck the innocent, it's not my problem.
Rebels don't have clean hands either, but they aren't massacring children.

The US generally sticks up for it's own interests, and has no problem flexing arms when their interests are at stake.
Rwanda, Bosnia, etc. all could have been mitigated with a show of the 'ol "shock and awe."
Suffering is everyone's problem.  It creates terrorists, and broken lives.
Shouldn't the world agenda be the happiness, health and contentment of all, instead of buy this, sell that?
Shouldn't someone with the weaponry to say, "fuck off and start using diplomacy, assholes", do something?
Title: Re: The Syrian Conflict
Post by: cock festival on August 28, 2012, 04:00 am
That is exactly my point.  We have gotten involved in "illegal" wars.  Lets get in there and get Assad the fuck out of the way.
And we ALL know due to the news that it was Assad who had families killed.  He is just like his father.
You tell me the difference between this and lets say, Iraq or Afghanistan.  Oh wait, Iraq was for the oil and Afghanistan was about Bush Junior getting revenge for a job his dad failed to accomplish.
Lets do something moral for once.

If American rebels tried to take down the US government would you support the rebels or the government?

The US government would kill anyone and everyone who stands against them. That is exactly what the Syrian government is doing. It's what the Libyan government did and it's what every government would do. The difference between Syria and the US is that the US does not have a worthy rebellion. They keep any type of rebellious group completely in check.

Anyways the main reason there is war in Syria is because the US wants to cut off Russia's supply of oil.

Not quite. The difference is there are no outside forces aiding US rebels through manpower, money, weapons and propaganda.

Clear net - http://hamsayeh.net/world/2195-ni6-cia-have-already-sent-troops-to-syria-british-daily.html CIA and MI6 are on the ground. Saudi Arabia and Qatar are funneling money to the terrorists/rebels. Western media is reporting on "Syrian atrocities" every day as if they suddenly care about the fate of brown people.
Title: Re: The Syrian Conflict
Post by: Adasel on August 28, 2012, 04:58 pm
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Western media is reporting on "Syrian atrocities" every day as if they suddenly care about the fate of brown people.

That is one of the most ridiculous statements i have ever heard.
For one thing its making us in the west sounds like the racist party.  The media can only film so much and portray it in a certain way.  And anyway i do not think there is much "care" about it.  As far as i am concerned media coverage by the west has not changed much since Vietnam.  The difference is that now the numbers being killed ARE so huge that you can only talk about it in figures. 
I can assure you that the majority of the "average" westerner cares about what goes on in the middle east.
Why do you think there was such an uproar over here when Bush and Blair went on their illegal war rampage looking for those weapons of mass destruction.
It just goes to prove another case of ignorance.
Title: Re: The Syrian Conflict
Post by: Brave New World on August 28, 2012, 05:46 pm
That is exactly my point.  We have gotten involved in "illegal" wars.  Lets get in there and get Assad the fuck out of the way.
And we ALL know due to the news that it was Assad who had families killed.  He is just like his father.
You tell me the difference between this and lets say, Iraq or Afghanistan.  Oh wait, Iraq was for the oil and Afghanistan was about Bush Junior getting revenge for a job his dad failed to accomplish.
Lets do something moral for once.

If American rebels tried to take down the US government would you support the rebels or the government?

The US government would kill anyone and everyone who stands against them. That is exactly what the Syrian government is doing. It's what the Libyan government did and it's what every government would do. The difference between Syria and the US is that the US does not have a worthy rebellion. They keep any type of rebellious group completely in check.

Anyways the main reason there is war in Syria is because the US wants to cut off Russia's supply of oil.
This.
This is all about cutting off Russia's oil and also is being used to entice Iran or Russia to move a piece on the chessboard.
This is about domination on a global scale. The U.S. is probably paying citizens to uprise and you cannot trust a god damn word the media says about Assad.
Stop being so naive.
Title: Re: The Syrian Conflict
Post by: Montell Williams on August 28, 2012, 06:13 pm
Rebels don't have clean hands either, but they aren't massacring children.
You don't know that. Both sides will try to make the other side look evil. In the "fog of war" there is chaos and both sides will use propaganda and misinformation to villify their opponents.

Just like Brave New World said, this is all about gaining world domination.
Title: Re: The Syrian Conflict
Post by: Sixteenpointfive on August 28, 2012, 07:22 pm
That is exactly my point.  We have gotten involved in "illegal" wars.  Lets get in there and get Assad the fuck out of the way.
And we ALL know due to the news that it was Assad who had families killed.  He is just like his father.
You tell me the difference between this and lets say, Iraq or Afghanistan.  Oh wait, Iraq was for the oil and Afghanistan was about Bush Junior getting revenge for a job his dad failed to accomplish.
Lets do something moral for once.

If American rebels tried to take down the US government would you support the rebels or the government?

The US government would kill anyone and everyone who stands against them. That is exactly what the Syrian government is doing. It's what the Libyan government did and it's what every government would do. The difference between Syria and the US is that the US does not have a worthy rebellion. They keep any type of rebellious group completely in check.

Anyways the main reason there is war in Syria is because the US wants to cut off Russia's supply of oil.
This.
This is all about cutting off Russia's oil and also is being used to entice Iran or Russia to move a piece on the chessboard.
This is about domination on a global scale. The U.S. is probably paying citizens to uprise and you cannot trust a god damn word the media says about Assad.
Stop being so naive.

+1000000000000000000

US is funding and arming the same people in Syria that they are fighting in Afghanistan, but you don't hear this fact on mainstream news.
Title: Re: The Syrian Conflict
Post by: Adasel on August 28, 2012, 07:26 pm
Oh but of course, you lack that one thing, its called evidence.
At least the western media only goes on what it is given in the first place.
Did you know that when journalists get on an aircraft carrier they are split into groups, and each group is led by a certain type of platoon, this was the case in the gulf wars anyways.
How do i know this?  The UK media covered it on multiple occasions.
Title: Re: The Syrian Conflict
Post by: ProudCannabian on August 28, 2012, 07:45 pm
The Russians and Chinese are more than happy to help the Syrian government with weapons and vehicles.
The US doesn't really care about Russia too much anymore, except for their ridiculous diplomatic demands and pussy rioting.

Fact: The western world cares about the suffering of the innocent, even if it is only the democratic peoples forcing their governments to care.

Fact: The east doesn't give a shit about the innocent, or their peoples.  They'll just be reincarnated or martyred, no biggie.

That's a big generalization, but since we're all generalizing here...

Sure, rebels may have hurt some innocents, but Assad's forces go into a town, go door to door, raping and killing until everyone is a shitstain in his memory.  I tell you something, I don't care what side you're on, if you behead an 18 month old child, you deserve to be slowly ground up while alive.

I tell you something else, if Assad was so fucking innocent, and right, then why wouldn't he allow journalists to report?  Why not allow UN observers access? Why shut out the Arab League?  These are all people who would have his back if he was doing the world a favour fighting these "terrorists."  There's no evidence one way or the other because of Assad.
Title: Re: The Syrian Conflict
Post by: Sixteenpointfive on August 28, 2012, 07:54 pm
Oh but of course, you lack that one thing, its called evidence.
At least the western media only goes on what it is given in the first place.
Did you know that when journalists get on an aircraft carrier they are split into groups, and each group is led by a certain type of platoon, this was the case in the gulf wars anyways.
How do i know this?  The UK media covered it on multiple occasions.

Like they covered 9/11 WTC7 building. Hahah, reporting that it had collapsed 30 minutes before it actually did. Western media is a joke, any rational person that is capable of objective thought knows that it is propaganda machine.

I was reading the COINTELPRO forum tactics thingy that was posted on the forums here not long ago and you strike me like one of the people described in that document. From stupid threads about movies to games to your posts. Or, maybe you're just a really ignorant individual.
Title: Re: The Syrian Conflict
Post by: Sixteenpointfive on August 28, 2012, 08:19 pm
The Russians and Chinese are more than happy to help the Syrian government with weapons and vehicles.
The US doesn't really care about Russia too much anymore, except for their ridiculous diplomatic demands and pussy rioting.

Fact: The western world cares about the suffering of the innocent, even if it is only the democratic peoples forcing their governments to care.

Fact: The east doesn't give a shit about the innocent, or their peoples.  They'll just be reincarnated or martyred, no biggie.

That's a big generalization, but since we're all generalizing here...

Sure, rebels may have hurt some innocents, but Assad's forces go into a town, go door to door, raping and killing until everyone is a shitstain in his memory.  I tell you something, I don't care what side you're on, if you behead an 18 month old child, you deserve to be slowly ground up while alive.

I tell you something else, if Assad was so fucking innocent, and right, then why wouldn't he allow journalists to report?  Why not allow UN observers access? Why shut out the Arab League?  These are all people who would have his back if he was doing the world a favour fighting these "terrorists."  There's no evidence one way or the other because of Assad.

"Fact: The western world cares about the suffering of the innocent, even if it is only the democratic peoples forcing their governments to care"

We, the people might care, not our governments that serve the corporate interest. Just look at what is happening in Libya right now, look at the state of Iraq and other place where US and UK set their foot, whether it be in the name of democracy or colonization. 

"Fact: The east doesn't give a shit about the innocent, or their peoples.  They'll just be reincarnated or martyred, no biggie."

That is a load of bollocks and incredibly ignorant. Sounds like some shit you would hear at an EDL meeting.

I am not pro Assad, I am pro Syrian people. Our governments don't give a fuck about the people in Middle East, if they did they would of done something about Israel long time ago. A country that broke and still breaks pretty much every international law under the sun, Gaza is equivalent of a Warsaw ghetto and where is the out cry about that!

Title: Re: The Syrian Conflict
Post by: Brave New World on August 28, 2012, 08:23 pm
The Russians and Chinese are more than happy to help the Syrian government with weapons and vehicles.
The US doesn't really care about Russia too much anymore, except for their ridiculous diplomatic demands and pussy rioting.

Fact: The western world cares about the suffering of the innocent, even if it is only the democratic peoples forcing their governments to care.

Fact: The east doesn't give a shit about the innocent, or their peoples.  They'll just be reincarnated or martyred, no biggie.

That's a big generalization, but since we're all generalizing here...

Sure, rebels may have hurt some innocents, but Assad's forces go into a town, go door to door, raping and killing until everyone is a shitstain in his memory.  I tell you something, I don't care what side you're on, if you behead an 18 month old child, you deserve to be slowly ground up while alive.

I tell you something else, if Assad was so fucking innocent, and right, then why wouldn't he allow journalists to report?  Why not allow UN observers access? Why shut out the Arab League?  These are all people who would have his back if he was doing the world a favour fighting these "terrorists."  There's no evidence one way or the other because of Assad.

That is a broad generalization seeing how the West is the real terrorists.
I am sorry but the ignorance of that statement made my heart race.

And did you mention the UN?
Once again, a terrorist organization.
I could give a flying fuck what they report.

Time to pull your head out of the sand.
This is chess not checkers.
Title: Re: The Syrian Conflict
Post by: Brave New World on August 28, 2012, 08:29 pm
Oh but of course, you lack that one thing, its called evidence.
At least the western media only goes on what it is given in the first place.
Did you know that when journalists get on an aircraft carrier they are split into groups, and each group is led by a certain type of platoon, this was the case in the gulf wars anyways.
How do i know this?  The UK media covered it on multiple occasions.

Like they covered 9/11 WTC7 building. Hahah, reporting that it had collapsed 30 minutes before it actually did. Western media is a joke, any rational person that is capable of objective thought knows that it is propaganda machine.

I was reading the COINTELPRO forum tactics thingy that was posted on the forums here not long ago and you strike me like one of the people described in that document. From stupid threads about movies to games to your posts. Or, maybe you're just a really ignorant individual.
That is why they call it TV Programming.
The masses voluntarily subjecting themselves to brainwashing.
I will not even discuss international relations, national politics, world history, hell how to wipe your own ass if the person I am speaking to does not know that 9/11 was the biggest inside job ever.

That is the litmus test.
If any of the posters are questioning whether it was an inside job you are lightyears behind and need to catch up quick.
Stop being in denial, stop pretending the overwhelming physical evidence does not exist to satisfy your inability to accept that everything you have been told is a lie. EVERYTHING.

Save the Syrians. You have to be fucking kidding me. How about stopping these blood sucking vampires called the United Nations?
Title: Re: The Syrian Conflict
Post by: Adasel on August 28, 2012, 08:37 pm
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Like they covered 9/11 WTC7 building. Hahah, reporting that it had collapsed 30 minutes before it actually did. Western media is a joke, any rational person that is capable of objective thought knows that it is propaganda machine.

I was reading the COINTELPRO forum tactics thingy that was posted on the forums here not long ago and you strike me like one of the people described in that document. From stupid threads about movies to games to your posts. Or, maybe you're just a really ignorant individual.

Okay you follow my posts? AND you have the hypocrisy to say what i say is bullshit?  Thats the funniest shit ive heard in years.

We ALL know that the media is propaganda, but to say that is limited to just the west, THATS the biggest joke of all.
Title: Re: The Syrian Conflict
Post by: ProudCannabian on August 29, 2012, 12:16 am
I don't need a tinfoil hat to tell me what to think, any more than I need the government.
You're assuming I'm against everything you're saying... I'm not.  Of course corporate interests and big Gov. don't give a shit.  What I'm saying is culturally, the West cares, even if it's only for 15 minutes between news stories and ads about bounce dryer sheets.

What evidence do you have that proves we shouldn't go there and help?  Russian news?  Guffaw.  There are no real news sources for this conflict... but when someone cuts off all communications into and out of their country, it becomes painfully obvious they have something to hide.  Our government does insidious things, but they don't massacre entire villages of their own civilians just to find a few rebels. We actually have several armed militia groups in the US and Canada, that are free to believe what they want and stockpile guns for "the day" they get to use them.  We only confront those wacos when they start hurting people. (Yes that was an intentional typo for effect)

It's not like we're going to nuke them to stop this, but we might be able to help.
Iraq was a clusterfuck because Bush is a clusterfuck, and thought folks wouldn't notice it was all for oil and legacy.  His relationship to the Bin Ladens and his grandfathers' to the Nazis is not to be ignored.
Did they bring down the WTC to help initiate the war?  I dunno, but there are some fishy questions waiting to be answered.  Even if you are doing good, if your intentions are bad karma will get you, that's why Iraq is a shitstorm of epoch proportions.  Things in Afghanistan were getting a lot better, until we started to pull our troops.  The taliban is starting to move back into their old ways, but at least the Afghan people are making an effort to police themselves.  Afghanistan is a country that has dealt with invaders long before even the Brits were there, they will be there long after we leave.

Syria is hardly part of a plot for world domination though, look to China or the EU/German state for that. Syrian oil is We all think it's terrible, but nobody want to do something about it.  I've seen people ignore poverty and filth in our own streets. The universal truth is 99% of the world just wants to be loved, and the other 1% are psychotics bent on destroying the possibility of peace and love for all.

So yea, lots of bad shit going on in the world.  The sad thing is when people give up trying to counter the bad with the good.  If everyone gives up, like you have, evil will triumph, worldwide.

The occupy movement is a good example of how governments are treating folks these days.  Our democracies are eroding, but at the same time our youth is finally seeing that protests need to be done, it is our democratic responsibility.  50 calls to a congressman from civilians don't carry the same weight as a single call from a CEO.

@Brave: How are the west or the UN terrorists or worse than?  I think you need to look up the definition.  I don't see blue hats marching through anyone's streets with their cocks out.  The UN is ineffectual because they've given countries, like the US, China and Russia veto powers.  It's useless if no one is allowed to follow majority rule, but must appease the veto countries just to pass a resolution.  Tell me one thing the UN has ever done to effect your quality of life directly.

@Sixteen:  I told you I was going to jump on the generalization bandwagon.  To not see that different cultures have different beliefs and ideas is pretty shortsighted.  I work with people from around the world, and the general feeling I get about the east, directly from folks from eastern countries, is that life is not respected, unless it is your own, your families, or friends.  Even then there are exceptions.  I had a man tell me just the other day, when I said I wanted to visit India, that I should not go there, ever.  He said that there is so much violence and filth it would be a waste of my life.  LOL  I don't really believe it's that extreme, but he must have his reasons for feeling so pessimistic about his homeland.

I have nothing against anyone of any colour or religion.  We are all here together.  Our culture isn't so shit hot either, but force feeding ourselves to death with ding dongs and TV isn't as bad as growing up in an area where you might find clean water by the end of it, and you have soldiers trying to play duck hunt with your brother.  To not think living in fear of death constantly will not effect people is just silly.  Israel fucked up by ghettoizing the Palestinians, and have created generations of people living under their thumb who have nothing to live for but a bomb.

I'm not blind to this shit, but I'm not jaded enough to be so paranoid as to believe everyone is out to get me either.
Title: Re: The Syrian Conflict
Post by: Ben on August 30, 2012, 12:04 am
Rebels don't have clean hands either, but they aren't massacring children.
You don't know that. Both sides will try to make the other side look evil. In the "fog of war" there is chaos and both sides will use propaganda and misinformation to villify their opponents.

I suppose the chief issue is not what they are doing now, but what they will do after the conflict is decided.

I think most people in europe supported the egyptian rebels a year and a half ago, but it really doesnt look like the country is going to be any better off now the dust has settled. The new government may be very damaging to tourism, which is an important source of income for egypt.

Syria is obviously a very different country, but a rebellion ending in some kind of islamic state formation there is not desirable either. It will most likely make the country less interesting for western investors, and deprived of badly needed capital required to mine the natural resources it has. Syria doesn't have a huge amount of oil, but  after this civil war it will be worthless to the syrians since it will remain worthless in the ground without western investment.
Title: Re: The Syrian Conflict
Post by: mito on August 30, 2012, 12:12 pm
... government forces are actually killing babies and raping women in an effort to root out the so called "terrorists." 
Rebels don't have clean hands either, but they aren't massacring children.


How do you know all of that my friend?
Title: Re: The Syrian Conflict
Post by: Enemy of the State on September 02, 2012, 05:29 am
Actually Aleppo is a strong pro-government city. The real terrorists that are murdering women and children and babies chose it for a strategic reason. If they can overthrow Aleppo the rest will fall in behind them. To anyone with a reasonable degree of intelligence and the skills to fact check the information it is plain to see. Now that this thing has drug out and played itself into a corner we should at least do a partial examination. Let's look at the 'rebels' and their supporters. If you search the archives you will find stories placing Al-Qaeda(Al-CIAduh), the zionist terror state  of Izrahell, America and Egypt on the same side. All of them calling for regime change? Are you fucking kidding me? This bullshit line about 'SEAL team 6' capping Bin Laden is nothing but fucking propaganda. Osama died in a hospital, or thereabouts, in Rawalpindi. The same place the ISI, CIA, and Mossad first brainstormed Al-CIAduh. It was also the place where Benezir Bhutto was assassinated and also David Pearl who was getting a little too close to the money trail of 9/11, and ya'll were dumb enough to think he was killed for being a 'Jew'.

Here is the definition of terrorism:
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ter·ror·ism  audio  (tr-rzm) KEY

NOUN:

    The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.

Now you tell me WHO has practiced this exact definition verbatim more than the United States? America trumpets that they are overthrowing dictators and 'evil' regimes, and they replace it with what? A fucking tinpot dictator that paves the way for multinational corporations to harvest all of the natural resources that particular country has. They exploit the labor and reduce the population to beggary. In whose fucking book does that equate to 'democracy'? America 'invades' these countries so we can 'free' them. What a bunch of racist motherfuckers. Show me any nation America has invaded and set up a healthy 'democratic' structure and economy where the people have control over their nation and the government. Get the fuck outta here.

I have heard people refer to the 'Free Syria Army' as the Syrian FREE Army because there isn't any fucking Syrians in it. Just like that peckerwood piece of shit that just released the book about the Osama 'assassination'. It's nothing but motherfucking propaganda to keep you from understanding the REAL shit that is taking place every day, with your tax dollars, in your name, with you sons, daughters, moms, dads, uncles, aunts. Why are people so fucking stupid they can't see who the real enemy is? They're so mindfucked they're ecstatic about getting the chance to 'elect' another impotent, sterile, piece of shit that has no power to rescue America, the economy, their jobs, or any thing else.

Not intended to be 'at' you Adasel. Just my perspective.