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Discussion => Drug safety => Topic started by: wealthandtaste on November 07, 2012, 09:37 am
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Hey guys, ordered 1200 µg 25i-NBOMe x5 from Tyl3r Durden and have literally zero experience with any sort of psychadelic. Firstly seeing a fair amount of negative stuff about this product recently on here and elsewhere so what is the situation there?
Secondly how much should I take for my first trip - go balls out and have the whole thing, is it even a strong dose? I know nothing and all advice is appreciated.
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take one tab...I have only used tyl3r's tabs so far and I didn't have any problems...
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Thanks - that's one for it'll all be fine (which btw was my initial opinion and then friends psyched me out).
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Ive tried a few of Tylers products. They definitely do the job however i highly recommend you DO NOT take more than one tab. I took two and ended up losing control of what was going on before collapsing into a 35minutes long seizure then waking up after the blackout with no memories apart from a very sharp violent head movement as i entered the seizure.
To be honest i feel i am lucky as i know people have died from Nbome related Seizures
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Ive tried a few of Tylers products. They definitely do the job however i highly recommend you DO NOT take more than one tab. I took two and ended up losing control of what was going on before collapsing into a 35minutes long seizure then waking up after the blackout with no memories apart from a very sharp violent head movement as i entered the seizure.
To be honest i feel i am lucky as i know people have died from Nbome related Seizures
I won't lie it is comments like this that have made me have second thoughts - honestly I would rather avoid seizures at all, if there is a likelihood of it it is just something I am not interested in particularly.
Might try a half and see how things pan out as it seems I am a massive pussy
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25i-NBOMe was my first psychedelic too, and I must say, it's not a good first-time psychedelic. The sensation is very recreational and makes you a monkey. You just go all ''uga-buga''. I took two tabs and okay, had a funny time with my friend whom I also offered some, but it was only all about getting wasted and gives a very bad first impression to psychedelics, I ordered a 25 tab set and gave the rest of them away to another friend. I didn't like it.
Mushrooms and LSD is my type.
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Ive tried a few of Tylers products. They definitely do the job however i highly recommend you DO NOT take more than one tab. I took two and ended up losing control of what was going on before collapsing into a 35minutes long seizure then waking up after the blackout with no memories apart from a very sharp violent head movement as i entered the seizure.
To be honest i feel i am lucky as i know people have died from Nbome related Seizures
I won't lie it is comments like this that have made me have second thoughts - honestly I would rather avoid seizures at all, if there is a likelihood of it it is just something I am not interested in particularly.
Might try a half and see how things pan out as it seems I am a massive pussy
I won't lie mate from what i have been told by those that are there i was inches from death. Seizures are known to be dangerous and a long seizure usually lasts around 5 minutes tops. I was out for 35minutes foaming at the mouth, its down to where i was at the time that help couldn't be called so i believe myself extremely lucky to survive. This is the third long seizure that i have had (the first i blamed on something different and not the nbome however now believe it was the nbome not the pills i was on with the previous time).
From my experiences i would say don't even bother with it but hey it is an experience and your body may react different to mine :)
If you do choose to take it be careful and good luck i hope it all goes well for you :)
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Well here is a bit of science/understanding for you.
LSD/Shrooms mimics the serotonin transmitters, and NBOME/Peyote mimics the dopamine transmitter. Now lets look at harder drugs, heroin floods the body with serotonin, and cocaine floods the body with dopamine.
So with that basic understanding, NBOME could be considered a WAY more UPPER of a psychedelic. Now when i experimented with this... which was only 2x i had a pretty good time. I took 3 tabs under my lip for about 45 min. Had some decent visual patterns emerge, music felt fucking amazing....infact i think this was what i liked most about it.... personally i also felt like i was tripping bawls but i could still talk to people... all in all decent time, but LSD/DMT is the only psychedelics i need.
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@ typtap
yer right, i was misinformed. Mescaline/NBOME are definitely agonist for serotonin receptors. The phenethylamine psychedelics on the other hand, such as mescaline (found naturally in peyote) and compounds of the 2C family (NBOME), more closely resemble the neurotransmitter dopamine. I think this is what confused me.
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Babysteps. Learn to swim before you jump in at the deep end.
also, in my experiance, Psychedelics contained in natural substances (mushrooms, cacti) can provide a much more amazing breakthrough into the psychedelic universe than chemicals.
just be wary of doseage and setting.
also have no requirements the following day.
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I have tried tylers stuff multiple times :)
ALTHOUGH
with the tabs be extremely careful i took two of them and ended up having a seizure blacking out and waking up an hour and a half later remembering nothing, didnt come off of the trip for two days as was still seeing mild trippy visions.
Tylers stuff is legit and good just dont be a fucking idiot like me and abuse it :)
The capsules (strawberry snuff caps) that he offers are very good. one of those is a good clean 5-6 hours with a few hours coming down very much less intense.
Me and my friend did 7 capsules each this time luckily didnt seizure however it was a brilliant intense experience (best i have had) trip lasted 14-15 hours and were wondering around a village not knowing what the fuck was what. :P
Smaller doses it is still VERY intense so if its your first psychadelic i recommend trying salvia or something to see what it is like.
Maybe try moving onto shrooms or 2C-B
2C-B is a very smooth trip with nice visuals and lots of euphoria and energy, kinda like a much more trippy mdma.
my opinion Avoid NBOME. it may be cheaper but shrooms and LSD are very similar... well LSD is very similar to Nbome yet it wont cause near death experiences of which i have had. :)
Hope i can be of help, if you want to know anything more or have any questions i have tried tylers Nbome about 10-15 different ocassions and will be happy to help :)
Cheers
CJ
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Take it from someone who has done A LOT os psychadellics...
There are only 2 you need to every try....
LSD - this shit is fucking amazing and magical
DMT - Will literally show you the afterlife and from what i interpreted, god
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Take it from someone who has done A LOT os psychadellics...
There are only 2 you need to every try....
LSD - this shit is fucking amazing and magical
DMT - Will literally show you the afterlife and from what i interpreted, god
where are the mushrooms? :(
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ugh i guess i have bad experiences with mushies... the weird creature like thinking and the confusion, not to mention the body buzz feels kinda sickening...i loved how they introduced me to psychedelics but personally not my cup of tea....
but yer right, some people absolutely love their shroomy adventures... i was just being biased =P
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I've done 25i/c several times now and thoroughly enjoyed all of them. I've previously done lsd, shrooms 2cb and a few other bits but none pushed as far as the 25s which tbf I haven't gone silly with, nothing over 1mg nasally.
I've found it far more visual than lsd or shrooms at similar dosages, more visual for the level of headfuckedness, a fantastic music enhancer and usually gives me a profound sense of conectedness with all of creation :) I'd also agree with a previous poster about productivity/learning, not necessarily getting stuff done but being fascinated reading about interesting/complex topics.
One thing I keep thinking with all these first time tripper threads is that you need to go into it in the right frame of mind, this will have far more impact than what chemical you're taking. They will make you question yourself, wonder why you've done this to yourself, what was so wrong with being sober ;) You've gotta be able to push past that and not dwell on it, or wonder if you're going to have a seizure (they're still pretty isolated cases) or you're gonna have a bad time! Once you've taken it, it's happening, regardless of what you might want, so just enjoy it!
The first time I took lcd it was awesome. the 2nd time was about a year later, I was so wound up/expectant about it I got all anxious and thought something was going wrong and nearly had a bad time. once i'd got past that and realised it was just me it was fine. Shrooms I don't particularly get on with, feel like I'm a passenger rather than in control.
So yeah. Do it, or don't, but be sure of your decision. From what I've read, the come up from 25i tabs is much more steady than nasal so it shouldn't be quite such a shock!
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@ r2vcmdr
ever try DMT? try that shit and tell me which one is your favorite =P
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@ r2vcmdr
ever try DMT? try that shit and tell me which one is your favorite =P
Not yet... it scares me a little :p Ordering DMT for a friend was what got me into SR in the first place, he still has it, one day... Sadly he's 1000 miles from me right now! Also sounds tricky to vape it right, needs research :)
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There are a lot of crazy comments in this thread. You won't know how 25i-NBOMe affects YOU until you take it. If you've never taken a psychedelic before, do not take more than one dose. You may get nausea. I've seen 20 people do it before and none of them reported any adverse health effects.
"NBOMe" is not the drug. The active part of these drugs is indicated by the letter (i, b, c, d, e). NBOMes are all based on and feel similar to their 2C (mescaline or phenethylamine-based) counterparts.
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edawg ive seen some of your posts and you seem like a cool dude but you have it all wrong. just because a chemical seems to mimic a certain nuerotransmitter, doesnt mean thats where the activity lies. i actually found out just recently that cocaine has a high affinity for serotonin.. and as for the nbomes, they have a higher affinity for the 5ht2a receptor-(the receptor they think causes visuals) than literally any other psychedelic available. david nichols talks about the nbomes in a MAPS video i saw not too long ago. he shows the activity that all sorts of different drugs have on the brain (the dox chemicals have high affinity for 5ht2a as well). really i would just say that every phenethylamine seems to be in a way, a set of fun, active, social psychedelics. indoles that mimic serotonin, seem to hand messages down from higher sources, as well as showing you visions that can truly speak to you and makes sense, where as phenethylamine visuals seem more like distortions most of the time.(to me anyways) my first psychedelic experience was dmt, and i wouldnt ever change that. it was such a real introduction to psychedelics that i have no choice but to take them seriously. the nbomes are definitely fun and you can definitely learn some things but it just doesnt seem like im tapping into a god-like intelligence like i am when im on psilocybin/psilocin, lsd, or dmt. they really are the most acknowledged for a reason.
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edawg ive seen some of your posts and you seem like a cool dude but you have it all wrong. just because a chemical seems to mimic a certain nuerotransmitter, doesnt mean thats where the activity lies. i actually found out just recently that cocaine has a high affinity for serotonin.. and as for the nbomes, they have a higher affinity for the 5ht2a receptor-(the receptor they think causes visuals) than literally any other psychedelic available. david nichols talks about the nbomes in a MAPS video i saw not too long ago. he shows the activity that all sorts of different drugs have on the brain (the dox chemicals have high affinity for 5ht2a as well). really i would just say that every phenethylamine seems to be in a way, a set of fun, active, social psychedelics. indoles that mimic serotonin, seem to hand messages down from higher sources, as well as showing you visions that can truly speak to you and makes sense, where as phenethylamine visuals seem more like distortions most of the time.(to me anyways) my first psychedelic experience was dmt, and i wouldnt ever change that. it was such a real introduction to psychedelics that i have no choice but to take them seriously. the nbomes are definitely fun and you can definitely learn some things but it just doesnt seem like im tapping into a god-like intelligence like i am when im on psilocybin/psilocin, lsd, or dmt. they really are the most acknowledged for a reason.
If you think phenethylamines can't show you God (or the universal consciousness or whatever you believe in), you should try 2C-P ;)
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well like i said i still think you can learn something from the nbomes, and ive tried a random 2c chem that was being sold around town as peyote... (kids will believe anything -_-) and it was a heavy trip... made my pupils enormous but the visuals seemed a bit more clowdy less detail. to be fair i havent tried 2c-p though haha
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Before any of your newbies try any NBOMe (or any RC for this case) Do an allergy test first. Unfold a paperclip and dab it in your HCL and apply it to your gums to see if you're at least sensitive to the chemical before indulging in that shit!That's probably the reason for some of these people taking NBOMe and blacking out with seizures. Some of you guys are probably really sensitive if not allergic to this stuff.
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If you've never had any experience with psychedelics, why begin with a research chemical like 25i-NBOMe? Wouldn't it be better to start with LSD or mushrooms, which have been proven to have no adverse effects on the body, have excellent recreational value, and can have tremendous psychological and spiritual benefits?
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Don't let everyone spook you. If you go into the trip with anxiety the chances of you having a bad trip are increased. I've used many NBOME's countless times. I do what to say that those tabs are pretty heavy. I tend to like my 25I-nbome tabs around 1000mcg. For your first experience i would recommend having a trip sitter that can talk you through a difficult trip as well as keeping some music going, movies going, or some form of activity. It's an easier experience if you have someone guiding you.
I would recommend taking a half tab or even a quarter tab for an allergy test. You also might want to acquire some benzoids in case you want to take the edge off. I would say that 25I-nbome is more on the stimulant side out of the nbomes. It is derived from 2C-I which in my opinion is the most stimulating 2C.
I hope you have a wonderful time and i would love to read your trip report. Good luck and stay safe.
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Before any of your newbies try any NBOMe (or any RC for this case) Do an allergy test first. Unfold a paperclip and dab it in your HCL and apply it to your gums to see if you're at least sensitive to the chemical before indulging in that shit!That's probably the reason for some of these people taking NBOMe and blacking out with seizures. Some of you guys are probably really sensitive if not allergic to this stuff.
This. Seriously. I do an allergy/poison test every time I get a new delivery of NBOMe, ya never know what COULD be in it or if you COULD have an adverse reaction.
Also, if you've never tripped before you'd probably be fine doing just half a tab; I see no reason to potentially get in over your head if you've never had a psychedlic experience.
Enjoy!
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I've dosed 25i-NBOMe well over a dozen times now and I've always had marvelous experiences. 2mg, in particular, combined with prolonged staring at a picture of the Carina Nebula, merged my ego with Universality, if that's even a term. I basically saw EVERYTHING right there in that little picture on my iPhone screen. From the infinite projections of avatara, to flat out cosmic intercourse, the compunded profundity of it all led me to a Cartesian conclusion that the prospect of reincarnation is very real, albeit, just in a different light than most religions interpret it. Sadly, I used the remainder of my HardHustle stash to acheive this state and I'm disappointed that extraneous issues have prevented him from restocking.
Anyways, I believe HPBCD complexed blotters are the way to go in terms of administration. I don't have the pharmacological know how to explain exactly why I feel this way, but complexed experiences seem to feel less "chemically", if you kinda get the gist of what I mean there.
The way I look at 25i, it's theoretically safe as any coke or horse you get on the street, so proceed accordingly.
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Anyways, I believe HPBCD complexed blotters are the way to go in terms of administration. I don't have the pharmacological know how to explain exactly why I feel this way, but complexed experiences seem to feel less "chemically", if you kinda get the gist of what I mean there.
I've never had uncomplexed blotters so I can't comment on that but I snort my 25i now and recommend everyone to try it. It's FAR better.
It's amazing how different ROAs can accentuate certain effects of a drug :)
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IMO stick with classics, LSD,DMT, Shrooms, Peyote.....there is a reason why 25iNbome is considered and research chemical....just my .02
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IMO stick with classics, LSD,DMT, Shrooms, Peyote.....there is a reason why 25iNbome is considered and research chemical....just my .02
i agree completely! i'm not going to be a human guinea pig just to save some money. research chemicals are cheap for a reason... ;)
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@ wavelength, you are correct i was confused on my research, they look similar but they do affect mainly the h5 receptors....which makes it more similar to LSD and shrooms...still!!!!!!! i heard people can die on NBOME's....now obviously they where fuck heads about taking it....but i just never do really know where the tabs go after they leave my hands...last thing i need is to be a suspect in a nbome murder case.....yes i'm wearing my tin foil hat....n sorry i didn't see yer post till now....
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Don't listen to anyone advising taking DMT, this is the most extreme psychedelic ever. I love DMT but as twelve pickles said, take babysteps. I'd advise taking shrooms as a first step, they are very gentle and will take care of you.
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@ wavelength, you are correct i was confused on my research, they look similar but they do affect mainly the h5 receptors....which makes it more similar to LSD and shrooms...still!!!!!!! i heard people can die on NBOME's....now obviously they where fuck heads about taking it....but i just never do really know where the tabs go after they leave my hands...last thing i need is to be a suspect in a nbome murder case.....yes i'm wearing my tin foil hat....n sorry i didn't see yer post till now....
no i totally feel you on that. ive sold a very small quantity of nbome and i just hate the idea.
one of the people i sell to might be one of the unlucky few that react terribly to it, which is obviously unwanted attention.
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Don't listen to anyone advising taking DMT, this is the most extreme psychedelic ever. I love DMT but as twelve pickles said, take babysteps. I'd advise taking shrooms as a first step, they are very gentle and will take care of you.
this is very biased.
if you had a freak out early in your psychedelic career because you pushed it too far, dont scare other people away because of it.
to me there are recreational doses, then there are spiritual doses.
recreational mushrooms=8th bag or less (to me anyways)
spiritual= 5 grams or more.
recreational dmt=30 mgs, hit it once maybe twice.
spiritual dmt= 50+ mgs, consumed in three of the largest, slowest hits you can get.
the problem with your theory friend, is that when you first try psychedelics thats when they are most effective.
your brain is the most sensitive to it at that time because it hasnt been introduced to it.
so you want to ruin the ONE opportunity you have to introduce yourself to these psychedelics PROPERLY?
recreational psychedelic use is a waste to me.
if you want a true psychedelic experience that is going to stick with you till death, and alter your lifes course from there on out, go big.
if you dabble in smaller doses of psychedelics your brain becomes desensitized and you wont ever get to experience what you would have otherwise.
its not hard to handle your shit on psychedelics....
okay well it IS, for the first couple of times but its nothing to be worried about. just have an experienced friend or two around, and ALWAYS remember to let go!!!!
most important aspect of an intense psychedelic experience is letting go and submitting to the experience.
dont fight it, dont try to control it. let it show you what it wants to show you. and dont think about what its going to be like before you try it.
you will cloud your perception.
i think i said this earlier but my first psychedelic experience was an entire 100 mgs of white dmt in a bowl, taken in 2 enormous hits.
im so glad i introduced myself to the psychedelic world in such a concrete way.
i take my relationship with psychedelics more seriously than pretty much all of my peers, because i have had such a proper intro to them.
if you desensitize yourself to the experience, you will have never truly "gone"
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Don't listen to anyone advising taking DMT, this is the most extreme psychedelic ever. I love DMT but as twelve pickles said, take babysteps. I'd advise taking shrooms as a first step, they are very gentle and will take care of you.
this is very biased.
if you had a freak out early in your psychedelic career because you pushed it too far, dont scare other people away because of it.
That's not my situation. I entered the psychedelic world the soft way, with 3 grams of shrooms, and it went fine. Never had a traumatic experience.
the problem with your theory friend, is that when you first try psychedelics thats when they are most effective.
your brain is the most sensitive to it at that time because it hasnt been introduced to it.
so you want to ruin the ONE opportunity you have to introduce yourself to these psychedelics PROPERLY?
Bullshit, son. First you're mixing it all up. You are saying that whatever I try first means that whatever I try next, even if its a completely different substance will have less of an impact. Check your reasoning.
recreational psychedelic use is a waste to me.
I agree, yet am tolerant with first-timers who would like to have it in a recreational way, you know, getting acquainted with psychedelics in a fun and reassuring way.
if you dabble in smaller doses of psychedelics your brain becomes desensitized and you wont ever get to experience what you would have otherwise.
More bullshit. This happens if you take psychedlics frequently and you develop tolerance. If you stick to a few times a year, then it's all good. And more importantly, we're not talking about smaller doses here, or at least I am not, we're talking about gentler substances that won't take you far beyond reality.
its not hard to handle your shit on psychedelics....
SO many people freak out on psychedelics, so many bad trips reported on the internet, and worse, in the news.
You are being biased: I can take it easily therefore everybody can.
letting go and submitting to the experience.
dont fight it, dont try to control it.
Do you realize that what you are saying here is already a hard thing to do for most people in real life ?!?! Do you think it's that easy when your perception is completely fucked for the first time ?
Dude, I hope you'll never be a father, or maybe you are just in your early 20s, but the advice you are giving is clearly irresponsible.
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Don't listen to anyone advising taking DMT, this is the most extreme psychedelic ever. I love DMT but as twelve pickles said, take babysteps. I'd advise taking shrooms as a first step, they are very gentle and will take care of you.
this is very biased.
if you had a freak out early in your psychedelic career because you pushed it too far, dont scare other people away because of it.
That's not my situation. I entered the psychedelic world the soft way, with 3 grams of shrooms, and it went fine. Never had a traumatic experience.
the problem with your theory friend, is that when you first try psychedelics thats when they are most effective.
your brain is the most sensitive to it at that time because it hasnt been introduced to it.
so you want to ruin the ONE opportunity you have to introduce yourself to these psychedelics PROPERLY?
Bullshit, son. First you're mixing it all up. You are saying that whatever I try first means that whatever I try next, even if its a completely different substance will have less of an impact. Check your reasoning.
recreational psychedelic use is a waste to me.
I agree, yet am tolerant with first-timers who would like to have it in a recreational way, you know, getting acquainted with psychedelics in a fun and reassuring way.
if you dabble in smaller doses of psychedelics your brain becomes desensitized and you wont ever get to experience what you would have otherwise.
More bullshit. This happens if you take psychedlics frequently and you develop tolerance. If you stick to a few times a year, then it's all good. And more importantly, we're not talking about smaller doses here, or at least I am not, we're talking about gentler substances that won't take you far beyond reality.
its not hard to handle your shit on psychedelics....
SO many people freak out on psychedelics, so many bad trips reported on the internet, and worse, in the news.
You are being biased: I can take it easily therefore everybody can.
letting go and submitting to the experience.
dont fight it, dont try to control it.
Do you realize that what you are saying here is already a hard thing to do for most people in real life ?!?! Do you think it's that easy when your perception is completely fucked for the first time ?
Dude, I hope you'll never be a father, or maybe you are just in your early 20s, but the advice you are giving is clearly irresponsible.
you are just blowing the experience out of proportion.
in all reality its nothing to be afraid of, and yes i do think that because "i can handle my shit" on psychedelics, others can too.
now, when your brain tries something one fucking time, its going to be less sensitive to it next time and this is obvious.
the first time you smoked weed affected you more profoundly than probably any other time.
yes there are tolerance issues, and the longer break you take, the better off youll be.
but you still have introduced your brain to it and it will have been desensitized i guarantee it.
you said youve never had a traumatic psychedelic experience?
inform me of some of the things youve learned on your psychedelic adventures then.
the "bad" trips are the ones that teach you the most.... i think others will back me up on that.
you are butthurt by some of the things i said, obviously. by saying things like "I hope you will never be a father"
you need to be able to receive an opinion outside of your own, without getting hostile/aggressive and immediately rejecting it.
if you didnt introduce yourself to psychedelics the way i did, how can you say how effective it is?
you cant.
yes letting go is hard for people because THEY DONT THINK ABOUT DOING IT.
im introducing the fucking thought so people know that thats literally all it takes to turn a "negative" trip into a positve one.
i dont believe in the concept of an actual bad trip.
they are all productive in the long run, i just feel that higher doses=greater connection=more profound lessons.
i know higher doses can get frightening to some people but if you are taking a substance you KNOW is safe (lsd, dmt, 4-ho-dmt) you have nothing to worry about.
you can face the fear of death without actually having to die. ::)
the advice im giving would be irresponsible if the drugs i was talking about taking were dangerous for your health.
like i said the first few times, have someone who is experienced around to help remind you to "relax, take deep breaths"
the whole reason i advocate high doses and say fuck baby steps, is because baby steps dont give you the full picture.
you will "think" you know what the psychedelic experience is about and when you go for the higher dose, your perception will be clouded.
this is all my opinion and ive done JUST FINE by taking psychedelics in this fashion.
let me meet in the middle with you and just say that i do know some people have freakouts on psychedelics.
my buddy freaks out on a lot of things he does, psychedelics being the big one.
and that same buddy has "grown into" having paranoid schizophrenia, after his drug use.
studies say that these substances wont induce paranoia, but it will amplify it if it was already there!
aka, the nigga has personal problems.
now every other friend of mine is just fine from their psychedelic use.
it was only the guy thats been nutty all along that had a problem
if you think you are mentally unstable, stay the fuck away from psychedelics.
simple as that.
now lets consider the numbers here.
dmt lasts like 5-10 minutes (main effects)
you dont have to smoke enough to blast off, you can "get an idea" if you wanted to do that.
psilocybin lasts 5-6 hours.
if you dont like whats happening to you in the experience, TO FUCKING BAD. you are there for a decent amount of time whether you like it or not.
oh and this.
"Bullshit, son. First you're mixing it all up. You are saying that whatever I try first means that whatever I try next, even if its a completely different substance will have less of an impact. Check your reasoning"
you lack knowledge in the area of brain chemistry.
the psychedelic effect is mediated by the 5ht2a, 5ht2c, and 5ht1a in tryptamines
the psychedelic effect in phenethylamines is mediated by just the 5ht2a and the 5ht2c receptors.
they are all using the same areas of your brain!!!
if you overload those receptors with neurochemicals as a result of taking a psychedelic, there WILL be a desensitization.
no one man knows the perfect way to take psychedelics dude, neither of us can say we do.
so how about we just agree that we have our own opinions and what works for us, works for us?
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ok bro, listen, I got high since my last reply, and now I'm not in the mood of debating on the internet. I think we agree more than what I initially thought, even though I'd love to discuss some points of your post perhaps tomorrow. :)
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ok bro, listen, I got high since my last reply, and now I'm not in the mood of debating on the internet. I think we agree more than what I initially thought, even though I'd love to discuss some points of your post perhaps tomorrow. :)
+1, i dont wish to argue either.
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i do totally understand a light intro to psychedelics though man, high doses arent for everyone and getting mindfucked by the universe can be a lot to take in at once! ;D
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This is what I love about SR. In almost every other place on the internet this would have escalated into a flame war.
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ok bro, listen, I got high since my last reply, and now I'm not in the mood of debating on the internet. I think we agree more than what I initially thought, even though I'd love to discuss some points of your post perhaps tomorrow. :)
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Yep, let's not forget the teachings from our substances. :)
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personally, i don't see a point in any other psychedelics other than DMT...if yer gonna take the ride....might as well be the fucking king of them all...
i've lived a thousand years in hyperspace....only to die there and be brought back to life here....swallow that pill...i love my DMT adventures...but one thing i found different with DMT from other drugs, was that EVERY time i did it again it got more profound and more meaningful...to the point where i would come back in tears sometimes praying to god or whatever spirits where caring for me....
its a wild ride, just be good in your head and heart and your journey will be blissful and pure...go into DMT with an attitude and cockiness...well the deemster goddess is gonna bitch slap your ass and put you in her dungeon for 15 min....
peace and love my brothas!
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personally, i don't see a point in any other psychedelics other than DMT...
lol. yeah if you want an amusing and purely recreational experience. if you want a spiritual experience, LSD and mushrooms are probably better substances to take. It all depends on what you are looking for. do you want the thrill of a rollercoaster ride, or do you want to experience Satori? both are nice... but satori is infintely 'higher' than anything you can experience on DMT
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personally, i don't see a point in any other psychedelics other than DMT...
lol. yeah if you want an amusing and purely recreational experience. if you want a spiritual experience, LSD and mushrooms are probably better substances to take. It all depends on what you are looking for. do you want the thrill of a rollercoaster ride, or do you want to experience Satori? both are nice... but satori is infintely 'higher' than anything you can experience on DMT
scientist you and your dmt views.
you make me laugh!
dmt is acting the same way psilocybin does, it just gets metabolized rapidly.
taking an experience that would last about 5-6 hours, and shrink all of that power into 15 minutes.
so you dont like how chaotic it is and because of that you find it less spiritual?
during dmt you are being shown more than you are on anything else.
you need to realize that dmt is creating the connection that psilocybin/lsd wish it could.
yes they have their own purposes, but for crossing over into a SPIRIT REALM, dmt is the proper tool
spirit realm=spirituality right guize? ::)
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personally, i don't see a point in any other psychedelics other than DMT...
lol. yeah if you want an amusing and purely recreational experience. if you want a spiritual experience, LSD and mushrooms are probably better substances to take. It all depends on what you are looking for. do you want the thrill of a rollercoaster ride, or do you want to experience Satori? both are nice... but satori is infintely 'higher' than anything you can experience on DMT
scientist you and your dmt views.
you make me laugh!
dmt is acting the same way psilocybin does, it just gets metabolized rapidly.
taking an experience that would last about 5-6 hours, and shrink all of that power into 15 minutes.
so you dont like how chaotic it is and because of that you find it less spiritual?
during dmt you are being shown more than you are on anything else.
you need to realize that dmt is creating the connection that psilocybin/lsd wish it could.
yes they have their own purposes, but for crossing over into a SPIRIT REALM, dmt is the proper tool
spirit realm=spirituality right guize? ::)
i believe that DMT is useful tool for understanding the mind. it has many other uses as well. however, it is basically a sensory/cognitive experience. it is not an experience of the transcendent. it may be a world within our own brains, or another universe, but it is still a sensory/cognitive experience. i distinguish between sensory/cognitive experiences and spiritual experiences. Even if the DMT experience is "real", it is sensory/cognitive experience information. DMT does not evoke transcendental spiritual experiences -- experiences which are beyond the senses, beyond cognition, beyond thought, beyond emotion, beyond information, etc. Whether the information comes from within the Self or outside of the Self is irrelevant. It's a sensory/cognitive not a spiritual experience. It is still information.
those who believe that the DMT high is a spiritual experience are still seeking spirituality. i know this sounds arrogant, but i say this having experienced satori-samadhi levels of consciousness with the aid of LSD, mushrooms, mescaline, hashish, and meditation. Such people have yet to experience the Unity of the Self with the Godhead which is called Satori in Zen Buddhism, or the unity of Brahman and Atman in Vedanta, etc. they are still looking, and hopefully some day they will experience the Unity.
The "spirit realm" is the same as our everyday reality. It's not some new world outside of this one; it is, however, transcendent to thought and cannot be spoken of, and thus appears to be a new world to our normal everyday consciousness, but when it is found it is recognised as being no different from our own world. If you believe the "spirit realm" is something outside our own everyday reality, you're still seeking, my friend. :) You have not experienced the Unity.... The best tool, in my opinion, to experience the Unity is meditation, with or without the aid of such substances as LSD, mushrooms, and mescaline.
Yes, DMT lasts about 15 minutes. It is an experience inside of time. cosmic consciousness is outside of time. if what you have experienced is within time, it is not the Unity. If you perceive 'entities', as people do on DMT, then it is not the Unity. All is one in Brahman.
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If you think DMT is 'more spiritual' than LSD and mushrooms, you are still seeking spirituality. You haven't experienced the Unity of the Self with the Godhead which is called Satori in Zen Buddhism, or the unity of Brahman and Atman in Hindusim, etc. And i say god bless you. You are still looking, and hopefully some day you will experience the Unity.
-1 for this, and ill be one of the only people that will actually tell people that im doing it.
you are FAR OFF from spiritual enlightenment if you think that YOU are any more "in touch with god" than anyone else.
i dont give a shit about the religious states you refer to, because i am god of my own reality and i create my own religion.
i dont need someone else to do that for me.
you need to discover your path to spiritual enlightenment on your own. if you dont, its not YOUR path.
those who are enlightened to not speak as they are above others, either.
they understand we are all on an equal playing field here and no one man is closer to god than the next.
bro you need to fucking humble yourself, seriously.
i just did a wiki search on the zen state of satori, and guess what?
dmt is the only substance that has ever brought me to that state.
if you want me to get passed trying to be civil here and ACTUALLY give you my opinion, i would say you cant handle your shit on dmt
have you ever fucking blasted off?
full on blasted off?
(three hits, slowly drawn in, without ever getting the flame close to the dmt)
it doesnt sound like you have at all.
dude you literally go to other places, and become one with your surroundings.
lol, when is the last time you meditated without drugs man.....?
and seriously. answer those two questions before saying anything else PLEASE.
because i dont think youve ever truly blasted off, and i dont think that you are as spiritual as you wish you were, based on how you talk down to people.
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Secondly how much should I take for my first trip - go balls out and have the whole thing, is it even a strong dose? I know nothing and all advice is appreciated.
Best advice to a beginner is to start small, and if you like later on work your way up slowly.
These drugs can be dangerous to those prone to mental illness.
Take care.
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I need a good vaporizor to smoke DMT with. I've only tried it on top of weed.
How long before 25i breaks free of RC category? They are looking for a street name? It's cool if you use it how it's supposed to be used wether your snorting or blotter tabbing and I hear it don't work well with zoloft. My first time was one of tylers snuff caps and I only did half and redosed the other half later. 25i is definitely different from the rest of the 25's or 2c's. That 2cp I tried was pretty fucking stout and was ingested down the throat
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i am teetering on 2cb or ketamine...although...through my hayday on the road i think i am starting to wind down my psychadellic use lol...
@ the Scientists, dude...IDK what kind of DMT experience you had...but i am guessing you probably topped a bowl off with DMT and tried to smoke it with a torch lighter.....I've done my fair share of psychedelics, yes lsd and shrooms are much longer and much more memorable but Jesus Christ man ???? seriously??? DMT not spiritual??? Brother....i was in tears because of the overwhelming love and comfort from my GODS!!!! Beings that cradled and took care of me...I've done a half oz of some shrooms and i NEVER, and i repeat, NEVER tripped as hard as i have with DMT....
and lets not forget about ayahuasca....you say that the dmt experience is too quick for anything other than a recreational experience? well then good sir add some MOAI's and you will be good to go for a good 8+ hours!!!
i vote DMT best psychedelics here... its quite safe as long as you smoke it and it's only 15 min long so if it is hell...well its only 15 min of it.....IDK though i have seen people have bad trips on DMT but it's all mindset...go with a cocky attitude, the Deemster gods are gonna torture you....go there humble and with respect and they reward you with love and secrets.
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you are FAR OFF from spiritual enlightenment if you think that YOU are any more "in touch with god" than anyone else.
you are turning this into an ad hominem discussion. i am not concerned with you or me. I don't believe I am more in touch with God than anyone else. I don't believe I am better than anyone else. However, I am experienced with Satori-Samadhi levels of consciousness to make a distinction between cognitive/sensory experiences and transcendental spiritual experiences. This is not anything original in my part. I don't claim to be unique in this. Study Vedanta, Buddhism, mysticism, etc. They all say the same thing. And with respect to DMT, having used the drug innumerable times in my life since the 1980s, I am convinced that it offers a cognitive/sensory/hallucinatory experience, not a spiritual experience.
i dont give a shit about the religious states you refer to, because i am god of my own reality and i create my own religion.
i dont need someone else to do that for me.
Then you are still seeking spirituality. You haven't found it yet.
you need to discover your path to spiritual enlightenment on your own. if you dont, its not YOUR path.
That is correct. Not all paths, however, lead to enlightenment.
those who are enlightened to not speak as they are above others, either.
That is your own projection. I don't claim to be above others, nor do I claim to be enlightened.
they understand we are all on an equal playing field here and no one man is closer to god than the next.
We are all one, yes. But we all are not all equally aware.
bro you need to fucking humble yourself, seriously.
You are projecting again.
i just did a wiki search on the zen state of satori, and guess what?
dmt is the only substance that has ever brought me to that state.
If you had ever experienced that state, you would have more humility, and wouldn't equate spirituality with magical "spirit realms" or other worlds different from our own.
if you want me to get passed trying to be civil here and ACTUALLY give you my opinion, i would say you cant handle your shit on dmt
I love DMT.
have you ever fucking blasted off?
full on blasted off?
Yes, many times. It is an amusing drug.
lol, when is the last time you meditated without drugs man.....?
I meditate every day.
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@ the Scientists, dude...IDK what kind of DMT experience you had...but i am guessing you probably topped a bowl off with DMT and tried to smoke it with a torch lighter.....I've done my fair share of psychedelics, yes lsd and shrooms are much longer and much more memorable but Jesus Christ man ???? seriously??? DMT not spiritual??? Brother....i was in tears because of the overwhelming love and comfort from my GODS!!!! Beings that cradled and took care of me...I've done a half oz of some shrooms and i NEVER, and i repeat, NEVER tripped as hard as i have with DMT....
All is one in Brahman. If you are seeing or communicating with "gods" or "entities" in magical "spirit realms", you are still searching. You haven't found the Unity yet. Meditation, or such psychedelics as mushrooms and LSD, are the best tools I know of to discover the Unity. There is no higher state of spiritual bliss and mystical illumination than the Unity.
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you are FAR OFF from spiritual enlightenment if you think that YOU are any more "in touch with god" than anyone else.
you are turning this into an ad hominem discussion. i am not concerned with you or me. I don't believe I am more in touch with God than anyone else. I don't believe I am better than anyone else. However, I am experienced with Satori-Samadhi levels of consciousness to make a distinction between cognitive/sensory experiences and transcendental spiritual experiences. This is not anything original in my part. I don't claim to be unique in this. Study Vedanta, Buddhism, mysticism, etc. They all say the same thing. And with respect to DMT, having used the drug innumerable times in my life since the 1980s, I am convinced that it offers a cognitive/sensory/hallucinatory experience, not a spiritual experience.
i dont give a shit about the religious states you refer to, because i am god of my own reality and i create my own religion.
i dont need someone else to do that for me.
Then you are still seeking spirituality. You haven't found it yet.
you need to discover your path to spiritual enlightenment on your own. if you dont, its not YOUR path.
That is correct. Not all paths, however, lead to enlightenment.
those who are enlightened to not speak as they are above others, either.
That is your own projection. I don't claim to be above others, nor do I claim to be enlightened.
they understand we are all on an equal playing field here and no one man is closer to god than the next.
We are all one, yes. But we all are not all equally aware.
bro you need to fucking humble yourself, seriously.
You are projecting again.
i just did a wiki search on the zen state of satori, and guess what?
dmt is the only substance that has ever brought me to that state.
If you had ever experienced that state, you would have more humility, and wouldn't equate spirituality with magical "spirit realms" or other worlds different from our own.
if you want me to get passed trying to be civil here and ACTUALLY give you my opinion, i would say you cant handle your shit on dmt
I love DMT.
have you ever fucking blasted off?
full on blasted off?
Yes, many times. It is an amusing drug.
lol, when is the last time you meditated without drugs man.....?
I meditate every day.
lol you are a fucking fool.
legitimately.
parading around telling people they havent reached spiritual enlightenment as if he fucking knows!
dude, you are following a fucking religion!
RELIGION. A MAN MADE IDEA OF WHAT GOD IS.
create your own fucking religion. be your own god.
you are letting someone else tell you how to achieve spirituality.
which in turn shows you must not be able to get their on your own.
its great that youve had actual dmt experiences and that you meditate, but with your mindset you obviously havent taken SHIT from it.
you contradict yourself multiple times. you ARE telling people that you have achieved a state of spirituality we have yet to experience.
you think you are on a higher plane of thinking than everyone else.
*clearnet*
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grandiose_delusions
^that is the spiritual state you are in brother. (its your world, we are all just living in it)
fuck off.
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lol you are a fucking fool.
legitimately.
parading around telling people they havent reached spiritual enlightenment as if he fucking knows!
your ego feels so threatened that you resort to childish name calling, merely because I exercise my skepticism and question the spiritual value of revelations coming from DMT experiences. that is pitiful.
dude, you are following a fucking religion!
RELIGION. A MAN MADE IDEA OF WHAT GOD IS.
no, my views are based on my own personal experience of satori-samadhi consciousness. The inner light, not religious texts. However, as these experiences are UNIVERSAL across cultures, they also happen to accord with the religious doctrines of all major religions in their esoteric and mystical formulations....... All religions are one. I don't follow any religion.
create your own fucking religion. be your own god.
what purpose would that serve, other than to flatter my own ego?
you contradict yourself multiple times. you ARE telling people that you have achieved a state of spirituality we have yet to experience.
you think you are on a higher plane of thinking than everyone else.
I don't think DMT is without value, just know this: there are spiritually 'higher' things you can experience on this earth than the DMT high. That's all I'm saying.
if you think that DMT is the highest thing man can experience, you have become the dupe of your own mind. you are still seeking the Unity, whether you know it or not..... you have not found it yet.
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lol you are a fucking fool.
legitimately.
parading around telling people they havent reached spiritual enlightenment as if he fucking knows!
your ego feels so threatened that you resort to childish name calling, merely because I exercise my skepticism and question the spiritual value of revelations coming from DMT experiences. that is pitiful.
dude, you are following a fucking religion!
RELIGION. A MAN MADE IDEA OF WHAT GOD IS.
no, my views are based on my own personal experience of satori-samadhi consciousness. The inner light, not religious texts. However, as these experiences are UNIVERSAL across cultures, they also happen to accord with the religious doctrines of all major religions in their esoteric and mystical formulations....... All religions are one. I don't follow any religion.
create your own fucking religion. be your own god.
what purpose would that serve, other than to flatter my own ego?
you contradict yourself multiple times. you ARE telling people that you have achieved a state of spirituality we have yet to experience.
you think you are on a higher plane of thinking than everyone else.
I don't think DMT is without value, just know this: there are spiritually 'higher' things you can experience on this earth than the DMT high. That's all I'm saying.
if you think that DMT is the highest thing man can experience, you have become the dupe of your own mind. you are still seeking the Unity, whether you know it or not..... you have not found it yet.
well let me apologize for calling you a fool, because truthfully name-calling is pointless and will get us nowhere.
but man everyone has their own connection to spirituality and there isnt a right or wrong way to go about doing so.
stop saying one DRUG is better than the next in finding "satori"
please..
just because you havent experience satori during a dmt experience doesnt mean its not possible.
but i have to assume that youve had this perception of dmt for quite some time.
whatever you think about dmt, will integrate into the experience.
if you view it as a spiritual tool to enlightenment, thats exactly what it will be!
this right here
"no, my views are based on my own personal experience of satori-samadhi consciousness. The inner light, not religious texts. However, as these experiences are UNIVERSAL across cultures, they also happen to accord with the religious doctrines of all major religions in their esoteric and mystical formulations....... All religions are one. I don't follow any religion. "
yes all religions are LOOSELY based around similar principles, and the mystical experiences achieved from them are also similar.
i think the reason this happens is because our brains are simply locking onto the same general wavelength.
how you experience it is totally subjective though.
there is nothing ego boosting about realizing YOU are god.
we are all god. or a small part of it anyways.
god to me is the collective unconscious, which is something that WE ALL HAVE AN EQUAL PART IN!!!!!
lol i really am to the point of just wanting to say, that i dont wish to disagree, but you simply will not budge on your views at all.
you hold dmt in this place in your mind, and its stuck there.
i feel incredibly sorry for you, because you will never have the amazing spiritual encounters the rest of us psychonauts have on dmt because you dont think its an appropriate tool.
dmt is activating the same receptors as psilocybin but it is being metabolized in a matter of minutes (i know i already said this)
so when you think about that, you should realize that psilocybin is a glimpse into the spirit realm, and dmt is a one way flight!
looking at brain chemistry is a very simple solution to your opinions of dmt. it is establishing a greater connection than psilocybin/lsd can.
bar none.
oh and last question.
why the fuck is your name the scientist if everything you say is based on your own nonsense?
and i dont mean for that to be offensive, its a serious question.
none of what you say has any scientific grounds whatsoever...
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lol you are a fucking fool.
legitimately.
parading around telling people they havent reached spiritual enlightenment as if he fucking knows!
your ego feels so threatened that you resort to childish name calling, merely because I exercise my skepticism and question the spiritual value of revelations coming from DMT experiences. that is pitiful.
dude, you are following a fucking religion!
RELIGION. A MAN MADE IDEA OF WHAT GOD IS.
no, my views are based on my own personal experience of satori-samadhi consciousness. The inner light, not religious texts. However, as these experiences are UNIVERSAL across cultures, they also happen to accord with the religious doctrines of all major religions in their esoteric and mystical formulations....... All religions are one. I don't follow any religion.
create your own fucking religion. be your own god.
what purpose would that serve, other than to flatter my own ego?
you contradict yourself multiple times. you ARE telling people that you have achieved a state of spirituality we have yet to experience.
you think you are on a higher plane of thinking than everyone else.
I don't think DMT is without value, just know this: there are spiritually 'higher' things you can experience on this earth than the DMT high. That's all I'm saying.
if you think that DMT is the highest thing man can experience, you have become the dupe of your own mind. you are still seeking the Unity, whether you know it or not..... you have not found it yet.
well let me apologize for calling you a fool, because truthfully name-calling is pointless and will get us nowhere.
but man everyone has their own connection to spirituality and there isnt a right or wrong way to go about doing so.
stop saying one DRUG is better than the next in finding "satori"
please..
just because you havent experience satori during a dmt experience doesnt mean its not possible.
but i have to assume that youve had this perception of dmt for quite some time.
whatever you think about dmt, will integrate into the experience.
if you view it as a spiritual tool to enlightenment, thats exactly what it will be!
this right here
"no, my views are based on my own personal experience of satori-samadhi consciousness. The inner light, not religious texts. However, as these experiences are UNIVERSAL across cultures, they also happen to accord with the religious doctrines of all major religions in their esoteric and mystical formulations....... All religions are one. I don't follow any religion. "
yes all religions are LOOSELY based around similar principles, and the mystical experiences achieved from them are also similar.
i think the reason this happens is because our brains are simply locking onto the same general wavelength.
how you experience it is totally subjective though.
there is nothing ego boosting about realizing YOU are god.
we are all god. or a small part of it anyways.
god to me is the collective unconscious, which is something that WE ALL HAVE AN EQUAL PART IN!!!!!
lol i really am to the point of just wanting to say, that i dont wish to disagree, but you simply will not budge on your views at all.
you hold dmt in this place in your mind, and its stuck there.
i feel incredibly sorry for you, because you will never have the amazing spiritual encounters the rest of us psychonauts have on dmt because you dont think its an appropriate tool.
dmt is activating the same receptors as psilocybin but it is being metabolized in a matter of minutes (i know i already said this)
so when you think about that, you should realize that psilocybin is a glimpse into the spirit realm, and dmt is a one way flight!
looking at brain chemistry is a very simple solution to your opinions of dmt. it is establishing a greater connection than psilocybin/lsd can.
bar none.
oh and last question.
why the fuck is your name the scientist if everything you say is based on your own nonsense?
and i dont mean for that to be offensive, its a serious question.
none of what you say has any scientific grounds whatsoever...
i agree completely! anyone who says dmt cannot be used as a spiritual tool is full of hogwash. it's called the spirit molecule for a reason, guys. :P
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i agree completely! anyone who says dmt cannot be used as a spiritual tool is full of hogwash. it's called the spirit molecule for a reason, guys. :P
well it is spiritual in the sense that it gets you in touch with the subtle realms and the lower causal realms...but it doesn't get you to the higher causal which is the Unity. other psychedelics seem more useful in evoking this state of consciousness... even terence mckenna said the same thing.... he said it was distinct from the Unity of advanced meditation, LSD, mushrooms, etc......and there is no higher spiritual state than the Unity.
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i agree completely! anyone who says dmt cannot be used as a spiritual tool is full of hogwash. it's called the spirit molecule for a reason, guys. :P
well it is spiritual in the sense that it gets you in touch with the subtle realms and the lower causal realms...but it doesn't get you to the higher causal which is the Unity. other psychedelics seem more useful in evoking this state of consciousness... even terence mckenna said the same thing.... he said it was distinct from the Unity of advanced meditation, LSD, mushrooms, etc......and there is no higher spiritual state than the Unity.
terence mckenna had his own views on the world.
and he would encourage you to do the same.
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im a big terence fan so i will include a few other things.
terence said that he never meditated sober really.
said he didnt want to do it unless he was tripping.
he also had a bad mushroom trip that convinced him to stop eating psilocybin. apparently he started taking a psilocybin analogue after that,. yet he smoked dmt a LOT.
is it that hard to let go of these concrete views you hold?
he stopped ingesting lsd earlier in his career as well.
i do like you scientist. you are a bright individual and you have a neat perspective on some things, but your path to spirituality is exactly that. YOUR path.
the problem with religion is that the people in those religions think they have the answer to all life/spirituality.
but the answer, my friend, will be specific to you, and thats the main point.
peace.
im not going to reply after this...
you are not willing to step out of your views and thats okay.
this isnt our thread either so yeah....