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Discussion => Off topic => Topic started by: puffmasterj on June 16, 2012, 10:00 pm

Title: Daily MDMA Dose (psychotherapy)
Post by: puffmasterj on June 16, 2012, 10:00 pm
I've had this thought for some time. I believe when MDMA was first marketed it was used as an anti-depressant? Does anybody know what that dose range was? Erowid reports the threshold at 30mg. If one where you use a daily dose of it, perhaps between 30 and 45mg  what do you suppose the repercussions would be? I did some light research but couldn't find any studies operating in such a low dose range, I found the usual 100mg + being utilized in their studies.

I know there is something about this drug from experience (obv) and some reading online, but I don't know much about it's application to psychotherapy if anybody can't point me in the right direction.

I guess I'll end with a little anecdotal story. I dated this girl, who had been on anti-depressants her whole life. One weekend we got away and rented a cabin, rolled the whole time. She had such a wonderful experience--Hasn't used anti-depressants since, and has been extremely happy and upbeat every day (it's now been about 7 months) Such a powerful, beautiful substance. ah. :)
Title: Re: Daily MDMA Dose (psychotherapy)
Post by: Penakki on June 16, 2012, 10:19 pm
I doubt daily use would really be good in a long run. However, I hope with all my heart that in the future, substances like MDMA and Ketamine will be mored used in therapy as they have a lot of potential
Title: Re: Daily MDMA Dose (psychotherapy)
Post by: oscarzululondon on June 16, 2012, 10:32 pm
It's too neurotoxic to be taken daily. I've tried this for a while and ended up having what I can only describe as 'brain wobbles' every hour or so. A kind of passing out feeling like a mini seizure and intense pain which lasts a few seconds. You stop feeling the effects after about a week too and get bad skin.

Something like 2C-B is better if you're going to take small doses regularly. Same MDMA effect but not as up down up down and intense, with more anti-depressant properties and no crash.
Title: Re: Daily MDMA Dose (psychotherapy)
Post by: theRedArmy on June 17, 2012, 02:31 am
It's too neurotoxic to be taken daily. I've tried this for a while and ended up having what I can only describe as 'brain wobbles' every hour or so. A kind of passing out feeling like a mini seizure and intense pain which lasts a few seconds. You stop feeling the effects after about a week too and get bad skin.

Something like 2C-B is better if you're going to take small doses regularly. Same MDMA effect but not as up down up down and intense, with more anti-depressant properties and no crash.

what was the dosage?
Title: Re: Daily MDMA Dose (psychotherapy)
Post by: stolea2269 on June 17, 2012, 02:47 am
When Shulgin repopularized MDMA, he intended for it to be used therapeutically. I suppose you could call it an anti-depressant, but not in the traditional "pop one every day and mask the effects of your depression", more in the "lets use this substance to address the root causes of your depression/anxiety/what have you". It really is an amazing substance - such a shame its scheduled. I can't wait for the day that its accepted for therapeutic use. But its something that should be used sparingly. I think the real therapeutic effects don't get flushed out until say a 120mg dose (what Shulgin recommended for therapy), and hands down that's not something you should take every day. I would really discourage regular (i.e. daily) use of any psychedelic - but again, just my opinion. There's a book I read recently that addressed this topic, if I can remember the name I'll post it here!
Title: Re: Daily MDMA Dose (psychotherapy)
Post by: puffmasterj on June 17, 2012, 10:13 am
When Shulgin repopularized MDMA, he intended for it to be used therapeutically. I suppose you could call it an anti-depressant, but not in the traditional "pop one every day and mask the effects of your depression", more in the "lets use this substance to address the root causes of your depression/anxiety/what have you".

I really like this direction of application more--it's supported by things I've seen in my own life with this substance.  I was just curious how those studies worked with MDMA as a theuraputic drug. Is there anybody to MDMA as maybe Tim Leary is to LSD? I remember reading something about Leary's experiments with convicts--having a significantly lower recidivism rate as actual prisoners.