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Discussion => Drug safety => Topic started by: dontlookforme on August 22, 2012, 12:30 am
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What was that stuff we snorted back in the 80s called crank or crystal? Was it really meth? or was it simply amphetamine? What is the difference in speed paste, meth and crystal meth?
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Crank was racemic methamphetamine, meaning that it consisted of 50% l-methamphetamine and 50% d-methamphetamine, which are mirror images of eachother. It was usually synthesized from the precursor P2P.
In contrast, the meth of the 90's onward was mostly synthesized from ephedrine, pseudoephedrine, or PPA (due to wide availability of those precursors on OTC diet pills). It was composed of d-methamphetamine exclusively. It's supposed to be more euphoric and as a result has higher abuse/addiction potential. This crystalline form can be smoked (vaporized), which makes it particularly addictive because it gets delivered to the blood/brain much faster than snorting or swallowing. For whatever reason, this method caught on in the 90's.
Crank was mostly pushed to the wayside in favor of this because it was easier to obtain precursors and it was more potent.
The different ratios of d and l- methamphetamine produce slightly different experiences. The preference for one or the other is subjective.
What it ratios it consists of these days seems to be variable according to subjective and anecdotal reports, at least according to the SR review forum. There's been quite a bit of discussion and speculation but members consistently report 2 distinct experiences among batches received from SR-- dubbed either "speedy" or "elixor of sex" by forum members.
Most members attribute the former to higher l-meth content (similar to crank) and the latter to d-meth, though impurities, cutting agents, and individual biochemistry could also be the culprit in subjective differences.
The relative lack of all precursors in the US and purported bulk of production by superlabs in mexico make either type a possibility. Any that is produced in the US is most likely to be d-meth because ephedrine/pseudoephedrine are still available but to a lesser degree than in the past (while P2P would be extremely difficult to procure in any quantity).
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My step-dad was a big time biker back in the day and he always talks about crank. Thanks for the info le botbahn!
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My step-dad was a big time biker back in the day and he always talks about crank. Thanks for the info le botbahn!
That's where the term came from, bikers would hide the racemic methamphetamine in their crank case. Atleast, so the story goes.
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excellent info le botbahn, thank you
i always heard d-amph was the most desirable (euphoric, not "jittery") amphetamine salt, hence the disparity in price between dexedrine and adderall
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No problem :)
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D-meth is the one that is desired - L -meth is useless and you can buy it OC in vicks inhalers, http://scienceblogs.com/moleculeoftheday/2006/10/27/lmethamphetamine-would-you-bel/
Ive always considered the l meth to be counteractive to my high, we used to call the stuff "Nope", because it may have looked like dope,taste, smell,like dope, but it was "N"ot d"OPE".
You can see the shit when you melt n recrystalize shit in a pipe, some shards will head off left n some right,pinwheel (crap). For how pretty they make it nowadays, it isnt shit compared to the stuff we did in the 80s n early 90s and if you did that p2p shit back in the day (true Crank) you did better cut than what passes for dope today. I guarantee