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Discussion => Silk Road discussion => Topic started by: technofarm on October 09, 2013, 02:06 am

Title: Why has the FBI left these forums up?
Post by: technofarm on October 09, 2013, 02:06 am
Just wondering why these forums are still up? 

obviously everything is being read by the government on here.  are they just waiting for people to collaborate on a new site so they can try to shut it down again? 

it was fun while it lasted but now its over.  go find your drugs from real life people now folks,  I don't think ordering online is worth the risk anymore.
Title: Re: Why has the FBI left these forums up?
Post by: slyguy498 on October 09, 2013, 02:32 am
Just wondering why these forums are still up? 

obviously everything is being read by the government on here.  are they just waiting for people to collaborate on a new site so they can try to shut it down again? 

it was fun while it lasted but now its over.  go find your drugs from real life people now folks,  I don't think ordering online is worth the risk anymore.
different servers from what i hear..this one will shut down when the bill comes and no ones pays it,,no one knows when either
Title: Re: Why has the FBI left these forums up?
Post by: Skkky on October 09, 2013, 02:35 am
To be honest, the forum isn't breaking the law...   Unless I'm missing something.
Title: Re: Why has the FBI left these forums up?
Post by: slyguy498 on October 09, 2013, 02:37 am
To be honest, the forum isn't breaking the law...   Unless I'm missing something.
right
Title: Re: Why has the FBI left these forums up?
Post by: technofarm on October 09, 2013, 02:37 am
excellent point.  You are correct.  but today in America... everything you do is breaking the law.
Title: Re: Why has the FBI left these forums up?
Post by: chevelle on October 09, 2013, 03:13 am
The screaming trees have got the best of me...
Title: Re: Why has the FBI left these forums up?
Post by: IForgotMyFuckingPassword on October 09, 2013, 03:14 am
To be honest, the forum isn't breaking the law...   Unless I'm missing something.
right
This is like the hundreth time I've said this and the millionth time it's been said since SR went down:

The forums are NOT fucking illegal. Are you retarded or just high? What's illegal about them?

If we're talking about the US, which we are, the forums fall under the 1st amendment free speech. Our freedoms are being steadily eroded, but it's a gradual process. They're not that obvious about it.

They weren't hosted on the main SR site.

The forums will remain up until someone stops paying the bill, at which point everyone will declare that the "FBI took them down." Don't give them more credit than they deserve, their egos are big enough already. Christ, smoke a fucking joint and relax; that's what I'm doing right now  ;D
Title: Re: Why has the FBI left these forums up?
Post by: IForgotMyFuckingPassword on October 09, 2013, 03:17 am
go find your drugs from real life people now folks,  I don't think ordering online is worth the risk anymore.

Speak for yourself please; not all of us agree.  :D

PS who the fuck cares if the fucking government reads these? They read everything posted online anyway. Ask Edward Snowden.
Title: Re: Why has the FBI left these forums up?
Post by: technofarm on October 09, 2013, 03:21 am
sorry for asking.  I knew SR went down the day it happened but havn't stumbled onto the forums until now because i just assumed they were gone as well.  you would think if the US government was serious about preventing online drugtrade they would have tried a little harder to find these forums and shut them down too.  now people are once again banding together and finding a new website to buy/sell drugs on.

Just because these forums are technically 'legal' does not prevent the US government from shutting them down.  they make their own rules and often break their own rules.  they do whatever the fuck they want.  don't let the idea of  "i have rights" fucking fool u.  there are no more rights in America this place is like Nazi Germany now. 
Title: Re: Why has the FBI left these forums up?
Post by: Thirty_Rox on October 09, 2013, 03:22 am
go find your drugs from real life people now folks,  I don't think ordering online is worth the risk anymore.

Speak for yourself please; not all of us agree.  :D

PS who the fuck cares if the fucking government reads these? They read everything posted online anyway. Ask Edward Snowden.

Lol!! +1
Title: Re: Why has the FBI left these forums up?
Post by: technofarm on October 09, 2013, 03:27 am
I agree that getting stuff in the mail used to be way safer and easier.   But that's all changing right now.... isn't it?

 better get off your computer and make some friends buddy... otherwise you won't be finding any drugs anytime soon.
Title: Re: Why has the FBI left these forums up?
Post by: Havacle on October 09, 2013, 11:15 am
To be honest, the forum isn't breaking the law...   Unless I'm missing something.
right
This is like the hundreth time I've said this and the millionth time it's been said since SR went down:

The forums are NOT fucking illegal. Are you retarded or just high? What's illegal about them?

If we're talking about the US, which we are, the forums fall under the 1st amendment free speech. Our freedoms are being steadily eroded, but it's a gradual process. They're not that obvious about it.

They weren't hosted on the main SR site.

The forums will remain up until someone stops paying the bill, at which point everyone will declare that the "FBI took them down." Don't give them more credit than they deserve, their egos are big enough already. Christ, smoke a fucking joint and relax; that's what I'm doing right now  ;D

I have read that there is a federal law that prohibits having an account on a website that (and I'm paraphrasing here), exists for, or helps facilitate, illicit purposes. I did not read the law, so I don't know if that's actually true.
Title: Re: Why has the FBI left these forums up?
Post by: go4green on October 09, 2013, 01:05 pm
I don't think this forum is legal. Vendors use it to promote their products. Buyers use it to inquire about vendors and products. Don't forget that DPR wasn't charged with selling drugs, but for "conspiracy" of drug trafficking. We on this forum, may engage in a way or another in such activity. Feds could charge you with anything they want and then they'll find a justification for it!

Why do you think the public forums use "SWIM did this", "SWIM eat that", even though they don't promote drug use, but it is all about harm reduction ? Same reason you can't smoke a joint in public!

Title: Re: Why has the FBI left these forums up?
Post by: Skkky on October 09, 2013, 04:23 pm
I don't think this forum is legal. Vendors use it to promote their products. Buyers use it to inquire about vendors and products. Don't forget that DPR wasn't charged with selling drugs, but for "conspiracy" of drug trafficking. We on this forum, may engage in a way or another in such activity. Feds could charge you with anything they want and then they'll find a justification for it!

Why do you think the public forums use "SWIM did this", "SWIM eat that", even though they don't promote drug use, but it is all about harm reduction ? Same reason you can't smoke a joint in public!

Its completely legal. ...    The topic of this forum could be "Child sex lovers"  and as long as no pics or videos of child porn or money being exchanged directly through forum, its legal...  As sick as that is. YOU'RE ALLOWED TO SAY WHAT EVER YOU WANT IN A PRIVATE FORUM.   Its up to who ever is paying the hosting bill for forum to make rules.  One thing you can't/shouldn't say is making plans or threats of murder or harm to another person.   For example " We need a good long ranger shooter to help us take out ............  next month"  lol   Even that, I don't think is illegal but would attract a lot of trouble if threatening post are accurate.
Title: Re: Why has the FBI left these forums up?
Post by: IForgotMyFuckingPassword on October 09, 2013, 04:31 pm
I have read that there is a federal law that prohibits having an account on a website that (and I'm paraphrasing here), exists for, or helps facilitate, illicit purposes. I did not read the law, so I don't know if that's actually true.
Well it's hard to answer to that when you say "I have read ... I'm paraphrasing ... I did not read the law, so I don't know if that's actually true."  How am I supposed to know if you can't point to a specific law? ;)

I don't know either, but I will say that there's no more SR, so even if true, this site is no longer facilitating SR sales. It's become a place to discuss conspiracy theories, to recount events, and to reminisce. In other words, it's historical now and is like the bajillion other drug forums online.
Title: Re: Why has the FBI left these forums up?
Post by: IForgotMyFuckingPassword on October 09, 2013, 05:13 pm
I don't think this forum is legal. Vendors use it to promote their products. Buyers use it to inquire about vendors and products. Don't forget that DPR wasn't charged with selling drugs, but for "conspiracy" of drug trafficking. We on this forum, may engage in a way or another in such activity. Feds could charge you with anything they want and then they'll find a justification for it!

No. Vendors USED to use this to promote product and buyers USED to use this forum to inquire about product, but there is no more SR.

And for the record, "conspiracy of drug trafficking" is exactly the SAME as drug trafficking legally. It just means other people acted together to commit that crime. There's no difference. He's essentially charged with dealing/distributing.


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Why do you think the public forums use "SWIM did this", "SWIM eat that", even though they don't promote drug use, but it is all about harm reduction ? Same reason you can't smoke a joint in public!
Because they are fucking retarded. Some forums ban that language altogether for that very reason. Saying SWIM does not protect you in any way. Like, do you think people are that stupid (as in juries, prosecutors, judges, etc.)?

And the fuck I can't smoke a joint in public. I do it all the fucking time (just about every time I go for a walk. I may not be able to walk by a cop doing it, but I still do it. The only thing that bothers cops about smoking joints in public is that it's flagrant; they don't care about recreational/medical users of marijuana. This site isn't being used  for distribution anymore, which is all they're interested in.

Also, not all of those sites are about harm reduction. Many are about using. You'll find many forums that detail how to make the new Oxycontin formulation snortable, injectable, etc., how to parachute pills, how to make a meth pipe McGuyver style. Giving advice in the form of "harm reduction" is the same as facilitating use legally speaking. FWIW, I'm all for harm reduction, and that's also a large part of this forum.
Title: Re: Why has the FBI left these forums up?
Post by: Wepromisetwenty on October 09, 2013, 07:27 pm
Is it even worth asking this question?

Even if (hypothetically) these forums were somehow intertwined with the SR main site, and (also hypothetically) I was LE - i'd be making a conscious effort to leave this up and running.

Whether its a coincidence or not that we're still here - something tells me i'd still be writing this whether they had the access to shut this down or not. The shit being posted on here is some pretty good scoop, surely. Why would they forfeit that? Just because they've taken down SR doesn't mean they're done with this whole shebang. More likely, Its only just beginning - I hope so at least, because if that statement were true it would mean we put up enough fight to give them a new project, or several.

They'll continue in their efforts to disband the community, to take down other marketplaces, to win the 'war on drugs' and their assault on what SHOULD be basic human freedoms.

And in the hours/days after the main site went down - the drama and information shared here would surely have been a great way to inform their next steps in this saga. Think about it... They didn't have a chance at taking down SR in its early days because frankly, they didn't know about it... folks like us had the head start. But now? All they have to do is read around this place for 20 minutes and they've found something to entertain themselves with.
Title: Re: Why has the FBI left these forums up?
Post by: IForgotMyFuckingPassword on October 10, 2013, 01:38 am
Is it even worth asking this question?

Even if (hypothetically) these forums were somehow intertwined with the SR main site, and (also hypothetically) I was LE - i'd be making a conscious effort to leave this up and running.

+1 for common sense.

And in the hours/days after the main site went down - the drama and information shared here would surely have been a great way to inform their next steps in this saga. Think about it... They didn't have a chance at taking down SR in its early days because frankly, they didn't know about it... folks like us had the head start. But now? All they have to do is read around this place for 20 minutes and they've found something to entertain themselves with.
I'm sure they're laughing their fucking heads off at some of what's being said here (literally). And collecting free intelligence to boot!