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Title: Chemistry Grad Student; what shall I cook?
Post by: Chapman on September 05, 2012, 02:21 am
Title says most of it, if not all.
I have my own equipment, and can access suspicious chemicals without raising any eyebrows.
US based, and would stay domestic, at least at the beginning.
So, where's the most unmet demand here on SR?
For domestic or in general.

The most obvious seems to be adderall, which I can make, but I don't know how much of the price would get knocked off for it being not only not brand-name, but not made by Pharmaceutical Conglomerate X. ...?
Also considering MDMA/MDA/MDEA. Would I be better off selling the eMmys as straight glass/powder, or getting a pill press?

Or, if those are completely off-base, whatever else is most lusted after.
Much adoration and golf claps for your thoughts.
Title: Re: Chemistry Grad Student; what shall I cook?
Post by: Trainwrecked on September 05, 2012, 02:29 am
MDMA and MDA would be big, if you're domestic in the USA. 

Blue meth and call yourself Heisenberg. 

But your #1 seller would be.......  LSD.  If you can supply large quantities of LSD, at around 100-150 ug per hit, that would be incredible.  Silver grade or better.  In fact, if you could supply large quantities of LSD, you would probably become the #1 seller on SR and make a shit ton.
Title: Re: Chemistry Grad Student; what shall I cook?
Post by: Errl_Kushman on September 05, 2012, 02:38 am
MDMA and MDA would be big, if you're domestic in the USA. 

Blue meth and call yourself Heisenberg. 

But your #1 seller would be.......  LSD.  If you can supply large quantities of LSD, at around 100-150 ug per hit, that would be incredible.  Silver grade or better.  In fact, if you could supply large quantities of LSD, you would probably become the #1 seller on SR and make a shit ton.

Agreed. Like printing money.
Title: Re: Chemistry Grad Student; what shall I cook?
Post by: FollowIcculus on September 05, 2012, 02:40 am
The number one unmet demand on here is definitely reasonably priced LSD.  I mean $20/hit?  Seriously?
Title: Re: Chemistry Grad Student; what shall I cook?
Post by: BigPeyote on September 05, 2012, 02:56 am
I mean $20/hit?  Seriously?

whats crazy is people buy into that!
Title: Re: Chemistry Grad Student; what shall I cook?
Post by: Nero on September 05, 2012, 02:58 am
Although LSD would be the most demanded, and most money. I would advise against it.

LSD manufacturing is more dangerous than playing Russian Roulette.

But if you think you can handle the stress and are willing to risk your life, then go for it.

If you do decide to manufacture it, I would not sell to anyone but your friends.
Title: Re: Chemistry Grad Student; what shall I cook?
Post by: rtykjb46 on September 05, 2012, 03:09 am
Ooh! Rare opiate analogs. There are things more euphoric than heroin and levo-alpha-acetylmethadol lasts for like 3 days. Plenty of people (myself included) would seriously shell out to try that.

Failing that, you're probably right about the adderall, plus meth is more euphoric than regular amphetamine and in the US, if given a choice between clandestine drugs, people will almost always choose meth.

MDMA is always great, especially domestic. I personally prefer molly to pills but that's me.
Title: Re: Chemistry Grad Student; what shall I cook?
Post by: Hiyumee on September 05, 2012, 03:14 am
MDA and MDEA would be great MDMA would be good also if priced right, LSD around 5-7 dollars a hit would be good, I remember when LSD was in my area I would pay 5 a hit sometimes 4 or 3 a hit if bought in quantitys of 20 or more
Title: Re: Chemistry Grad Student; what shall I cook?
Post by: AnimusVox on September 05, 2012, 03:25 am
The expertise required to synthesize LSD is far greater than the knowledge held by that of a "chemistry grad student". Not a jab at the original poster, but synthesizing LSD is not a cakewalk. The supply of potent LSD is a very clear indicator of this. Do a little research before recommending a novice chem major to dive head first into synthesizing LSD.

MDMA would be a good start. If you have access to a steady source of safrole, it is rather straightforward.
Title: Re: Chemistry Grad Student; what shall I cook?
Post by: FollowIcculus on September 05, 2012, 06:02 am
There are things more euphoric than heroin
for instance?
Title: Re: Chemistry Grad Student; what shall I cook?
Post by: Magikbeenz on September 05, 2012, 06:21 am
IMHO i think you should focus on LSD and MDMA/MDA for these 2 reasons. LSD would be the moneymaker and basically fly off the shelves, it would make you money and if its good quality it will go fast. The MDMA because it will still make you good money and move quickly but more importantly it will pump more REAL and clean (hopefully, trusting your skills as a chemist here) MDMA into the US market because right now its FULL of bunk pills and methylone. Which isnt bad, but its not MDMA.
Title: Re: Chemistry Grad Student; what shall I cook?
Post by: PaulMuadDib on September 05, 2012, 06:25 am
Fuck all the above mentioned shit........we really need LSD!!!!!!!!  LSD will help SR grow exponentially, further it's easy to ship and store.  LSD would break the back of LE attempts to contain SR; as there is no way to detect it and they can't rep; massive seizures of it to the media and say they are having an impact and thereby get a funding boost from the government.......clearly they are not winning this WAR on drugs, which is really a war of the government's own making on it's own people. 

If it requires you to skill up;  then do it bro........ do it for the good of the road!  ;)
Title: Re: Chemistry Grad Student; what shall I cook?
Post by: Bronangen on September 05, 2012, 08:12 am
you guys are dumb, this guy cant make lsd. period.
Title: Re: Chemistry Grad Student; what shall I cook?
Post by: TheStealthyRacoon on September 05, 2012, 08:57 am
MDMA is so dirt cheap, is it really worth it?
Title: Re: Chemistry Grad Student; what shall I cook?
Post by: WinstonWolfe on September 05, 2012, 05:17 pm
Methaqualone, ethchlorvynol, (placidyl -- no one in the world has these, and my god they were good); any of the old barbiturates -- seconal, amytal. tuinal, .
Title: Re: Chemistry Grad Student; what shall I cook?
Post by: spacecase #2 on September 05, 2012, 05:18 pm
cook crack and smoke it till you're addicted.
Title: Re: Chemistry Grad Student; what shall I cook?
Post by: energyblast on September 05, 2012, 05:30 pm
I put my vote for some great domestic mdma. I mean, the "Dutch" stuff I've tried lately has been good, nothing to complain about... but I know it could be better.
Though I'm still waiting on an order of that brown sugar that's been floating around lately...
Title: Re: Chemistry Grad Student; what shall I cook?
Post by: ianfleming on September 05, 2012, 06:09 pm
I would see if you could achieve 25-e nBOME, that sounds like a hot seller and so far it's never been done, so you would be a pioneer.
Title: Re: Chemistry Grad Student; what shall I cook?
Post by: AnimusVox on September 05, 2012, 07:06 pm
Seriously, a chemistry graduate student does NOT have the ability to synthesize LSD. You gentleman are completely underestimating just how difficult the task is. It is one of the most fragile chemicals to work with, and you are expecting a novice chemist to have his hand at synthesizing pure LSD, which is a very dangerous and tedious process? Ignorance. It takes a proper chemist with a Doctorate in organic chemistry, years of experience, and access to very expensive lab equipment. Stop thinking this is a simple lab technique.
Title: Re: Chemistry Grad Student; what shall I cook?
Post by: redcube on September 05, 2012, 07:18 pm
MDA...all the way
Title: Re: Chemistry Grad Student; what shall I cook?
Post by: AnimusVox on September 05, 2012, 10:08 pm
Animus Vox a lab is not even required.
You can cook LSD in your kitchen.
Everything is available and its not much harder than baking a cake if you have good direction and ingredients.
Good direction and ingredients are here.

So lets hear more of your dumb shit...go on...

The sheer stupidity of this post doesn't even warrant a proper response. You are an idiot if you truly believe you can "cook LSD in your kitchen". Do a little research, kid.
Title: Re: Chemistry Grad Student; what shall I cook?
Post by: AnimusVox on September 05, 2012, 10:25 pm
You're talking about synthesizing LSD via impure and incredibly inconsistent intermediate chems and yielding a product that is potentially harmful due to a synth route that takes zero finesse. That is not a quality product. That is shit. This isn't a meth lab operation, and it's idiot fuckwad junkies like yourself looking for a quick buck that are the reason for the bulk of street LSD being terribly inconsistent and impure.
Title: Re: Chemistry Grad Student; what shall I cook?
Post by: mrgrey on September 06, 2012, 12:00 am
Ooh! Rare opiate analogs. There are things more euphoric than heroin and levo-alpha-acetylmethadol lasts for like 3 days. Plenty of people (myself included) would seriously shell out to try that.

Failing that, you're probably right about the adderall, plus meth is more euphoric than regular amphetamine and in the US, if given a choice between clandestine drugs, people will almost always choose meth.

MDMA is always great, especially domestic. I personally prefer molly to pills but that's me.

LAAM really is not that great at all, I was around in the mid 90s when they were using it as a methadone replacement, and its good for that I guess, but it is not very euphoric at all.  The people that were prescribed it much prefered regular methadone to LAAM and we all know how crappy the 'done is.  If you want opiods that are good you should look for and pardon my spelling,  Dipapinone (Diconal, Wellconal), Dextromoramide (palfium), and ketabomidone (ketogan) those three are the holy grail of opiates.  also i have heard about bromadol which is a new RC opiod that people have said is pretty impressive, so he could always try to make that

And for tranqs I second the placydil and qualudes,  also how bout the old Tuinols, a pill that was half barbituate and half amphetamine, man they really knew how to make them back then!
Title: Re: Chemistry Grad Student; what shall I cook?
Post by: le botbahn on September 06, 2012, 12:40 am
If you really want to make a splash:

1. 4-methylaminorex (=4-mar...the trans isomer iirc...phenylpropanolamine (PPA, aka norpseudoephedrine) is the precursor). Huge demand for that. Nobody has seen it here yet. Streetname EU4EA & the original "Ice" before the crystal mefh boom of the 90s bumped it into obscurity.

2. Preludin. Powerful stimulant reported to be better than meth or dexamphetamine. Look it up. Someone.posted a link to the german patent here on the forums not long ago. Do a search for it. Popular in parts of Europe in the 50s, used by the Beatles, longer & better high than dex/methamp according to literature and anecdotal reports (chronic crew claims to have tried it decades ago and it was king of stims). Shown to have less side effects abd better tolerated in adhd treatment vs. dexamp. Faded into obscurity in 50s due to tightened precursor regulation and increased avaibility of amphetamine precursors. Amps became more popular as a result and preludin faded into obscurity.

3. Synthetic (or extracted) Mescaline. Massive demand. Especially domestic US.

4.  MDA (we have lots of mdma, no MDA domestically).

5. Amphetamine. Pure. At a fair price. Pure d-amp would be a HUGE hit if you can pull it off. Even if you precipitate w/ d-tartrate from racemic at 50% yield, you can charge a premium and it would be worth it.

6. Meth. If you could offer pure d-meth and/or racemic crank, and not go MIA every other week like most other vendors, you'll do extremely well. D-meth would probably be a bigger seller but buyers have expressed a.desire.for old school racemic as well. Currently, buyers are having major issues in that market with quality and consistency. It's pretty much ways been that way.

7. I'm not.very familiar with LSD synth, but that would be big kf you have the means.

8. ALD-52. An LSD analogue. Not sure if it's easier or harder than LSD synth but it would be a major hit.

9. Ketamine. Reasonably priced.

10. RCs: specifically 6-APB and 4-AcO-DMT. They seem to be harder to source lately and are relatively hard to get hete most of  of the time. 6-APB may even be legal to make. I'd love to get my hands on some anonymously via SR.

11. 2C (especially 2CB) compounds and semi/bulk NBOME relatives (powder).

12. GHB powder. This is probably the simplest of all. Very high demand. I'm sure you can get your hands  THF without a problem.  THF, GBL, or 1,4- butanediol and some common reagents = quick and easy profit.


Those are all the domestic voids I can think of. Some.are i.ternational voids, and some.are simply overpriced domestically.
Title: Re: Chemistry Grad Student; what shall I cook?
Post by: BandW on September 06, 2012, 12:53 am
I have been wanting to try real "Ice" 4-methylaminorex since the mid nineties,  Preludin sounds interesting as well - Let me dig though my files, if I can find what I am looking for I will have another request to add to this list. 
Please keep me in mind
Thanks
BandW
Title: Re: Chemistry Grad Student; what shall I cook?
Post by: trolley on September 06, 2012, 01:47 am
+ 1 for MDA:-) One vendor at the moment on SR
Title: Re: Chemistry Grad Student; what shall I cook?
Post by: TheGrandWizard on September 06, 2012, 01:49 am
Methaqualone, ethchlorvynol, (placidyl -- no one in the world has these, and my god they were good); any of the old barbiturates -- seconal, amytal. tuinal, .

Ah,  a man after the Grand Wizard's heart... another old-time pill popper.

Methaqualone would be far easier to synthesize than LSD and you should have no problem getting rid of it.  And once people got their hands on ethchlorvynol (Placidyl -- former Chief Justice Rehnquist was addicted to this stuff and was briefly hospitalized for the withdrawal) I suspect you'd find a wide audience. 
 
Title: Re: Chemistry Grad Student; what shall I cook?
Post by: Chapman on September 06, 2012, 05:21 am
Wow. This is great.

To the LSD bogeyman-- there's no such thing as dangerous chemistry, only dangerous chemists  :P. That said, I don't have the kind of machinery to do that safely, and as far as "kitchen" concoctions...I like having a face.
But medium-long term, if I wind up with the capital, I'll know who to talk to.

Second to that, MDA/MDMA, with MDA a nose ahead. Will most likely start with this. Easy as bunk and nothing hard to get.
Will definitely take the time to perfect a pure synth; there's enough shit out there.

There's the rest of the staple-type stuff-- amphetamine, meth, GHB, etc -- that could serve if not enough volume from the above.

But mostly, the classic/variety/obscure hadn't even occurred to me. Preludin, Bromadol, Placidyl...hell, 25-e nBOME isn't even on a schedule yet. Niche may well be where it's at, and it'd be more entertaining than making the same old half a hundred times.

Many thanks for the input.

My world just got a lot more interesting.
^.^

Title: Re: Chemistry Grad Student; what shall I cook?
Post by: quinone on September 06, 2012, 05:33 am
If you're looking at MDMA and can get your hands on Safrole, Brightstar's method which uses a Wacker oxidation and is relatively simple (very actually).  There's a well written up 'guide' which u can skip through most of if you're a real chemist already here:

https://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/brightstar.mdma.html

Title: Re: Chemistry Grad Student; what shall I cook?
Post by: Chronic Crew on September 06, 2012, 09:02 am
man...Preluden AND plastidyl named in the same thread!!! it's 1982 all over again in my mind.....man, I want that heat rush again....just once more before I die! NOTHING SINCE has even been close!! sure, desoxyn was good, meth is OK. but the fire running up you arm and the RUSH and EUPHORIA have never been matched.. I can't remember my very first time doing a lot other drugs. but I SURE remember Preluden.......BI 62, round and bulging in center, pink candy coating, peach colored wax center, and simple to cook. Man, I almost want to get up and clean something just remembering that long speed high!!

 the "green meanies", or plastidyl..... was like walking in a world turned to jello. I ate 2 one night and slept 48 hours!! when you Dr. Shopped back then, I'd get the scripts for the diet pills and red or green plastidyls for sleep. I'd coach my patients till they were getting just the green one's since they were worth more. not bad for a 16 year old kid!!!!

I also sold Dilaudid K4's. almost impossible to get back then,,,cancer, hospice, or amputee victims...that was my in, met a post-op trans sexual, started buying his/her script. that blossomed to 6 others within a month. they were $30 each back then and would sell out within 2 days. the heroin junkies just LOVED them. consistent and clean dose. easy to prep for IV and superior to the heroin of those days
NOW the D4's are less than 1/2 that price and much more available. I never saw a 8mg. back then....was surprised they even existed. thought I had the best pills in the day!!

well lets see. Quallude seems to be lost and forgotten, use to make bank from those...."you need a lude to put you in the mood" god, I haven't even seen a Mandrex since the late 80's... or the lost barbs like tuinal or seconal...I know their still made, but who here has taken "reds or twoeys" (besides me and Walter)??  maybe that's why I've hate pills since then...nothing else compares to the classics and have been disappointing at best.

old school 4 way windowpane or microdot mescaline would rock! I tripped nearly every other day for over a decade....AND I STILL WANT MORE!!
crystal "T" was just too fucking strong. called Dummy Dust for good reason. I pass
MDA in the day was really good, but Montel's got that covered now!

that's what I got for ya' right now........I'm still stuck on the BI/62's and can't think of forgotten pharms while replaying that fucking incredible heat rush over and over my mind

Title: Re: Chemistry Grad Student; what shall I cook?
Post by: ianfleming on September 06, 2012, 05:23 pm
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hell, 25-e nBOME isn't even on a schedule yet. Niche may well be where it's at, and it'd be more entertaining than making the same old half a hundred times.
25e nBOME should be insanely visual and powerful. I suspect that the dosage would be lower than most other nBOME chemicals and there fore worth more per dose (as there are more doeses per cook).

Also, the basic 2c-x chems would do well too, as most everyone is now selling off old pre-ban supplies. As far as I know there are not very many cooks still around for that stuff. If you began cooking 2c-i and 2c-e then youd probably help reduce the overall cost and once everyone else sold off their preban supplies you MIGHT be one of the only sources.
Title: Re: Chemistry Grad Student; what shall I cook?
Post by: DandyMan on September 06, 2012, 07:45 pm
25e nBOME should be insanely visual and powerful. I suspect that the dosage would be lower than most other nBOME chemicals and there fore worth more per dose (as there are more doeses per cook).
The (very) few reports floating around the internet actually place 25e as a rather boring chemical.

@Topic:
MDMA if you can make a good price, should get you a steady stream of demand.

LSD would be the obvious winner, but that's rather (or insanely... depening on you skills) hard to make, especially considering the expensive lab-equipment. I just don't see it happening.
Title: Re: Chemistry Grad Student; what shall I cook?
Post by: TheAbsurd on September 06, 2012, 09:19 pm
Make a shit load of LSD and drop it like acid rain over big cities so that everyone trips and the world ends (or begins).
Title: Re: Chemistry Grad Student; what shall I cook?
Post by: E on September 06, 2012, 09:24 pm
Make a shit load of LSD and drop it like acid rain over big cities so that everyone trips and the world ends (or begins).

Yes please :D
Title: Re: Chemistry Grad Student; what shall I cook?
Post by: anonemuss2012 on September 06, 2012, 09:29 pm
Make a shit load of LSD and drop it like acid rain over big cities so that everyone trips and the world ends (or begins).

LOL :o ;) :D

i've had this dream to take a bunch of fluff and mix it with distilled water and spray people with it at hot outdoors parties in the south. not everyone is appreciative of liquid love tho :P
Title: Re: Chemistry Grad Student; what shall I cook?
Post by: FollowIcculus on September 06, 2012, 09:35 pm
hehehe liquid love
Title: Re: Chemistry Grad Student; what shall I cook?
Post by: jerryskid on September 06, 2012, 09:35 pm
Methaqualone, ethchlorvynol, (placidyl -- no one in the world has these, and my god they were good); any of the old barbiturates -- seconal, amytal. tuinal, .

reds and tui's were the shit and the yellow jackets. Clean, fast acting. Qualudes  were the love drug of the late 70's for sure, we would wake up with no hangover, a few 714's and you and a date were set for the night. Those drugs were too safe so big pharm phased them out i guess. haven't seen them for literally 25-30 years
Title: Re: Chemistry Grad Student; what shall I cook?
Post by: jerryskid on September 06, 2012, 09:43 pm
Preludin was like nothing else!!! As has been mentioned meth, desoxyn, adderal, a. sulphate none of it comes close to a good old BI! You could take one and be off for 8-12 hours of straight out euphoria. Bang one and look out. Placydils were a duty buzz for me regardless of how they were ingested. and yes they burnt like hell. You guys are trying to get old demons stirred up, but i am the master of my fate for many years now. i won't be slipping anytime soon
Title: Re: Chemistry Grad Student; what shall I cook?
Post by: le botbahn on September 07, 2012, 01:42 am
Preludon (and placidyl) would be a hell of a niche. And by the sound of it, it'll net a massive portion of the current stimulant market (speed, meth, coke, etc.).  Especially considering that both of them have been historically atrocious here on SR (perhaps now more than ever). Production appears quite doable, probably easier than most options (other than ludes).

Best of all, you'd be (afaik) the only source for it on the globe. Lots of perks to that beyond the obvious monetary ones!  Under the radar, no russian roullette, etc. Some real Heisenberg potential there. :)

BTW, it looks like the MDA & 2C market will be heating up a bit this fall. Probably not to the point to where it won't be worth persuing, but I wouldn't expect the lack of competition that currently exists.