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Market => Product requests => Topic started by: theman on January 27, 2012, 11:02 am
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I live in the states and need a supply of sassafras oil. If anyone has any suggestions on how to safely import it from overseas I would love to hear it. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
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it may be more easy for you to start with Helional or Vanilla
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If you live in the eastern part of the states, Illinois and over, the tree grows all over the place. If you have a distillation set, which I'm guessing you do, you can dig up the roots and distill the oil out of them.
I've also seen the roots for sale on eBay. I read an article that LE used a buyers buyer history to bust them. (It is extremely entertaining browsing buyers history and seeing that they bought a scale, distillation kit, sassafras oil etc. Some people are fucking idiots). So if you go this route just don't order anything else off the account except for roots.
Don't order from china. I don't know how customs does it but somehow they know what saferol smells like and even sassafras oil which comes in mislabeled bottles have been seized.
I've always wondered how easy it would be to order from a Canadian company.
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I've considered finding the trees here in the states but from what I've read and been told, our sassafras trees don't produce nearly the amount that would be found in its overseas variant. Not to mention its a process (getting to the roots) that I'm not sure that I would want to undertake. I have all the equipment and precursors already and have made small batches before, but I've found the hardest thing is getting the sassafras oil. From my understanding it is not illegal in itself, but obviously very heavily monitored.
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I think last time I looked into it, sassafras oil that contains saferol is illegal in the states. I know for a fact that its a precursor and any sale has to be sent to DEA for notification. But you can get the roots online and as far as I know the sale isn't illegal or watched.
It doesn't matter if the trees overseas have a higher percentage of the oil. It will just take a little more time to extract the needed amount of oil which is a small price to pay compared to the risk of your operation being raided because you took the easy way out (ordering oil online).
Sassafras oil sold in the states is "fragrance oil" which contains no saferol.
I would love to help you out by sending you roots in exchange for a little product but I'm too far west and the tree doesn't grow here.
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Remember, for something like this it is important to not go convenient routes if any security is at risk. If you have to distill 100 american roots to get as much as if you distilled 1 oversea variety, it is worth it to not be at risk.
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I was talking to somebody the other week and it was mentioned that sassafras oil cost $20k Aus per L these days??
Mmmm I do know of a property that has plenty of sassafras growing in a whole other state, cant get there by bus from where I am.
If this is true I just funded my retirement when I hit 60.
Does anyone know whether butane will extract the oil?
Like using one of these tamisium extractors...
http://tamisiumextractors.com/
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I was talking to somebody the other week and it was mentioned that sassafras oil cost $20k Aus per L these days??
Mmmm I do know of a property that has plenty of sassafras growing in a whole other state, cant get there by bus from where I am.
If this is true I just funded my retirement when I hit 60.
Does anyone know whether butane will extract the oil?
Like using one of these tamisium extractors...
http://tamisiumextractors.com/
better test first if those roots will contain any safrol most probably not. butan for sure will work. check PM
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Steam distillation is the way forward for bulk plant oil extraction, butane would be fucking dangerous and very expensive for extracting safrole from sassafras. If you want a kg of safrole, you need 1.3L of essential oil which you could expect to obtain from about 35-40kg of root bark. That's a fuckload of plant material to have to dig up, process and extract.
Steam distillation is safe, cheap and pretty easy. You could run a continuous solvent extraction if you could rig up a homemade soxhlet but you would extract everything soluble in the solvent so you'd still have to further isolate the safrole from the gunk. If you're mad enough to try butane, you may as well have a go at supercritical CO2 extraction, at least you wont have an explosion to deal with.
And if you're in Aus, careful about what sassafras tree you attempt to extract from. What you call southern sassafras is atherosperma moschatum which contains no safrole at all!!
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There are plenty of people who will ship it from places like China mislabeled as something benign, you just have to figure out how to receive giant 25kg drums safely.
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it may be more easy for you to start with Helional or Vanilla
Helional is a fucked up way, there are some better yielding ways and even cheaper then helional ;-)
Btw, never had a helional route that worked ;-)
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Not to mention you can't actually make MDMA from helional unless you go through the exhausting N-formyl MDA route, probably get about 10% overall yield.
Kaarsje, have you tried the aldoxime > beckmann sequence? I've done it on an extremely similar substrate (can't say as it was in industry and would identify me) and it worked pretty well- 62% yield from the aldehyde to the amine.
Using Vanillin is just ridiculous, aside from the difficulty purifying each intermediate, it would take weeks and you'd get a couple of grams of MDMA at most from 100g vanillin.
there are some better yielding ways and even cheaper then helional ;-)
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Care to share? ;)
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Not to mention you can't actually make MDMA from helional unless you go through the exhausting N-formyl MDA route, probably get about 10% overall yield.
Kaarsje, have you tried the aldoxime > beckmann sequence? I've done it on an extremely similar substrate (can't say as it was in industry and would identify me) and it worked pretty well- 62% yield from the aldehyde to the amine.
Using Vanillin is just ridiculous, aside from the difficulty purifying each intermediate, it would take weeks and you'd get a couple of grams of MDMA at most from 100g vanillin.
Care to share? ;)
Helional -> Mdma is indeed just to fucked up with your yields.
No never tried it, heard it is really OTC but there are easier ways to Mdma over here in the best country ;-).
Do you have a paper about your route or just some online discussions?
Maybe I will share it, but not on this topic where every fucked up toddler is searching for an easy route ;)
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Uncle Fester's "Secrets of Methamphetamine Manufacture" has a great deal of information with regards to MDA / MDMA / Amphetamine synthesis.
I have edition 7 but I believe there is a newer one, you can probably find a torrent
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Distilling roots? Fuck that! Even with good roots with a high yield that is just dirty ass smelly work...
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Distilling roots? Fuck that! Even with good roots with a high yield that is just dirty ass smelly work...
True, but why leaving them in the ground when you to lazy to find sum OTC route.
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Someone is selling a 16oz container. Check under lab equipment.
Or follow this link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/index.php/silkroad/item/21005
Good luck, sir.
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It's better that he find a good chemist ;)
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Someone is selling a 16oz container. Check under lab equipment.
Or follow this link: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/index.php/silkroad/item/21005
Good luck, sir.
And if you check very closely you can see the label on the bottle of where it came from
The business that sells the oil will accept a money order to ship the oil (of brazilian origin I believe)