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Market => Product requests => Topic started by: Razorspyne on December 03, 2012, 02:24 am
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Hello pl! I went back as far as three archive pages and nobody has requested this so far (on the three pages). Is there any interest for trading chemicals or poisons, limited to non-WOMD, non-terrorist use? I am amazed that in a place as big as SR (which is bigger than BMR) nobody offers ricin or abrus or so forth. I did see cyanide offered, thumbs up. Any interest? (I like the new look website btw. It's smooth.) Piece.
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IDK if there are a depend for poisons on SR or not (not sure if they are allowed, you might want to ask support), but as far as regular chemicals go, it would depend on what it is and what it would be used for. If it is used for manufacturing drugs, you would most likely find someone interested.
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There is already a precursors section on SR but the chemicals available are somewhat limited and very overpriced for what they are. It would be nice to see more chemicals listed in regards to precursors of hard source substances. It's an area I find most interesting!
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I have noticed that there is a demand for chemicals, and due to this I think I'm going to go into providing that service.
Standby everyone, it will take a little time.
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Absolutely not... I don't think offering poisonous research chemicals is the kind of think we want the Silk Road to be known for...
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Holy shit. I just wrote this long reply and then it glitched and vanished! One of these days cyberspace.... I'm going to kill you. (I WAS logged in! How could I log in and then un-log in??? Stupid internet! Don't you get smart with me!)
Not just restricted to drug manufacturing niemtel though there would be a market here for stuff to make em not just sell em. Chemicals for all purposes. Say poisons? BMR lists these, problem is everytime I'm there someone is saying they're been scammed again. Look at the vendor history. Typical vendor feedback is 0. They list, they take customers' money, when it's time to ship they disappear and reappear 2 weeks later under a different username with the same product to do it to someone else. SR vendors? Not uncommon to find 50-100 feedback. I'd rather buy here. Mark my words, BMR is all but set to collapse because of this practice.
Yes there are some chemicals on Precursors Fox, but there's some overlap; a couple belong elsewhere. I expected stuff like phosphorous and calcium chloride (they're there). I think cyanide is there too, under Other. And yes a LOT of things are overpriced. If and when I become a seller, I'd shake some things up in the pricing dept. Good luck to Bromine and remember to start small, you crazy kid!!! Small sells when you are unknown. You can build your rep.
RE PriscillaMarie90, some sites (like SR) aim to keep boundaries, and that's good. But what constitutes a good boundary is interpretable. Take date rape drugs for instance. I'm opposed to the practice of sexual assault and would love to rape (and castrate) any cowardly little guy who would put a girl (or woman) through something like that. [I also don't condone SR letting people list rape material, but they do, and we'll get to that later.] But what about SR customers who take date rape drugs themselves not for that specific purpose? You can't police it. You can't not sell it. SR drew the line with the Armoury. It was strategically necessary for multiple reasons. But poisons.....? Seems a grey area to me. Some people think SR has already crossed a boundary by selling something that is illegal (not me). If I see SR selling RPGs (Rocket Propelled Grenade) or SAMs (Surface-to-Air Missile) then you might inadvertently be arming guerrilla factions, drug cartels and terrorist agencies and I'll be sure to write a polite letter to admin coz THAT is a legitimate boundary. But chemicals? Maybe we can police this. Tell me what you think.
Thanks to all who replied so far. Hope Silk Road NEVER shuts down by DEA, ATF or FBI. Or I'll come to America and punch em in the nose. Then paddle back home.
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Holy shit. I just wrote this long reply and then it glitched and vanished! One of these days cyberspace.... I'm going to kill you. (I WAS logged in! How could I log in and then un-log in??? Stupid internet! Don't you get smart with me!)
Not just restricted to drug manufacturing niemtel though there would be a market here for stuff to make em not just sell em. Chemicals for all purposes. Say poisons? BMR lists these, problem is everytime I'm there someone is saying they're been scammed again. Look at the vendor history. Typical vendor feedback is 0. They list, they take customers' money, when it's time to ship they disappear and reappear 2 weeks later under a different username with the same product to do it to someone else. SR vendors? Not uncommon to find 50-100 feedback. I'd rather buy here. Mark my words, BMR is all but set to collapse because of this practice.
Yes there are some chemicals on Precursors Fox, but there's some overlap; a couple belong elsewhere. I expected stuff like phosphorous and calcium chloride (they're there). I think cyanide is there too, under Other. And yes a LOT of things are overpriced. If and when I become a seller, I'd shake some things up in the pricing dept. Good luck to Bromine and remember to start small, you crazy kid!!! Small sells when you are unknown. You can build your rep.
RE PriscillaMarie90, some sites (like SR) aim to keep boundaries, and that's good. But what constitutes a good boundary is interpretable. Take date rape drugs for instance. I'm opposed to the practice of sexual assault and would love to rape (and castrate) any cowardly little guy who would put a girl (or woman) through something like that. [I also don't condone SR letting people list rape material, but they do, and we'll get to that later.] But what about SR customers who take date rape drugs themselves not for that specific purpose? You can't police it. You can't not sell it. SR drew the line with the Armoury. It was strategically necessary for multiple reasons. But poisons.....? Seems a grey area to me. Some people think SR has already crossed a boundary by selling something that is illegal (not me). If I see SR selling RPGs (Rocket Propelled Grenade) or SAMs (Surface-to-Air Missile) then you might inadvertently be arming guerrilla factions, drug cartels and terrorist agencies and I'll be sure to write a polite letter to admin coz THAT is a legitimate boundary. But chemicals? Maybe we can police this. Tell me what you think.
Thanks to all who replied so far. Hope Silk Road NEVER shuts down by DEA, ATF or FBI. Or I'll come to America and punch em in the nose. Then paddle back home.
I pretty much agree with everything you said. My outlook on guns is a bit different, I live in an area where guns are almost completely unregulated and I enjoy the fact that I can buy/sell/trade a gun with someone face to face with zero required paperwork. From that I really thought providing guns to people on the deep web would be lucrative since I can get any gun except automatics and suppressors, but I understand how SR would not want that kind of market here and I respect that.
As to the chemicals/poisons et al, I think a little better corting by category in the market place would be desirable, but probably only after we saw an expansion in the volume of chemicals being sold. At this point (at least at first glance when I first got on here) there's not a huge amount being sold, so it's fairly easy to find what you're looking for / see that it's not there.
Thanks for the advice btw, I do indeed intend to start small. I'm working out establishing a sassafras oil source / method of acquiring at the moment since I think that would end up being the most lucrative in demand product on here. I see people trying to sell it for $2000/ 1L that is fucking INSANE, and i feel sorry for anyone who is so desperate / unresourceful enough to be willing to pay that price.
-Bromine
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Chemical's whose EXPLICITELY function is ONLY to hause harm and death aren't on the SR because it's against the SR policity to vend in materials that have NO OTHER USE THEN TO CAUSE HARM.
Your rape argument is WEAK, because the number one rape drugs is ALCOHOL. People flipping that GHP and Flunitrazepam (Rohypnol) shouldn't be here because they are date rape drugs need to stop watching the Hangover, because there are MUCH easier and MUCH cheaper means of immobilizing a victim to rape them.
Potassium cyanide on the other hand is a poison with no legitimate use. Chemists can go ahead and say it's used during drug synthesis, but KCN is actually only used in nitrite to carbyxlic acid reactions via mechanics like the von Richter reaction, a task that can be done through many different means, none of which require's a cyanide.
SR is here to get people the things they want to enjoy their lives, not to destroy and eliminate the lives of others. You should be ashamed and disgusted with yourself over being able to so casually talk about how important you think poisons are.
This makes you a cold blooded killer, and one without a set of balls either because only pussies kill their victim's using poisons. If you have to eliminate the sentient existence of another human being because they ... 'fucked your baby momma' or some shit (PS: Note to black people, stop calling each other Baby Momma and Baby Daddy. It's MOTHER and FATHER. Babby Momma and Baby Daddy infer's you just want to fuck, get laid, have babies, and not care about being their parent at all .... and your proud of this? ) ... and you can't even do it with your own two hands, your a scared little bitch without ANY respect for the sanctity of life.
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Sick fuck.
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Why does no one mention the more likely reason to want this? Self-deliverance? Cancer is a bitch. Alzheimer's. Parkinson's. In most countries they won't let you end that battle on your own terms. This often leaves people with terrifying, violent and disgusting options. Poisons can be peaceful and humane. But some like cyanide can leave evidence, which might cast a cloud over the family and negate an insurance policy. Thus options like ricin may be warranted. It's more painful, but not as painful as 6 months of cancer chemo, and it leaves no trace, so your family and other parties can believe what they want to believe.
Kinda the reason I came looking here, hence the thought.
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There is very little that is more peaceful and humane than an opiate overdose that someone could administer themselves.
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If we are referring to substances that are /exclusively/ meant harm, they would be categorised as weapons and thus not allowed on SR. However, the legality/usage of poisonous substances is ambiguous in many jurisdictions for obvious reasons. KCN for example is not only used in organic syntheses reactions but it is used extensively in mining/jewellery industry which is why these compounds aren't explicitly illegal or enforced laxly in many places. Many substances sold on SR for recreational substances can easily be used as 'poisons' in small quantities. Everything is poisonous at a threshold dosage.
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Hmmm… sounds like you could go into business if guns are unregulated in your area. Perhaps the best way is, start first on BMR (and SR) with drugs or chemicals to gain rep, then introduce arms, and if you get really good, move onto higher-grade munitions. (At this point you’d need some trusted beef to acclimatise to changing typography.) Or avoid the stress and just stay with smaller stuff. There’s increased chatter in my parts concerning black-market acquisition of guns by non-connected buyers because new legislation has overstepped with its decision to revoke civilian licensing for taser guns. Because knives, tasers and even pepper spray are now illegal, and come with substantial penalties, the mental barrier for the step up to actual guns is decreasing because citizens will already be breaking the law for even non-lethal self-defence merchandise. Looks to me the market potential is getting bigger not smaller.
But not on SR. Bad enough for it to be in the bad books with DEA, let alone other agencies. This way its potential aggressors are far fewer, and less organised.
I should clear something up in case a moderator looks at “[I also don't condone SR letting people list rape material, but they do, and we'll get to that later.]” and thinks eh? I meant that there was a dvd (if I can remember right) consisting of rape and I thought that’s a lovely thing for a member to sell and promote. I was not talking about certain drugs on SR that could be used for that purpose. I wasn’t actually implying they should stock some drugs but not others. That would be ridiculous. They can do what they like. (Two days ago I witnessed a thread started (not on SR) that solicited help in the kidnapping and rape of a child he knew lived nearby. This was a serious thread as opposed to a joke or fantasy, and received a smattering of equally serious responses to discuss it in detail further in PM and off the net. The admin not only allowed, but encouraged it by suggesting the topic was okay on the Main page. Can I be blamed for being slightly annoyed when I see such an item for sale within an hour or two after absorbing this info? This is where it came from.)
“Many substances sold on SR for recreational substances can easily be used as 'poisons' in small quantities. Everything is poisonous at a threshold dosage.” TY for tip, you’re right of course. Guess I could buy drugs but use for poisoning instead. It’s kind of annoying though, paying for something that could be used for getting high. Almost seems a waste. Ricin and cyanide is a little more tailored to my requirements and minimise chance of revival. Geeze it’s expensive though! That’s why I’d prefer to buy my plants and extract it. Maybe even sell it. But those plants are illegal now along with everything else. (I’m open to, erm -- circumventing measures -- that can solve this hindrance.) Didn’t know they used potassium cyanide for gold mining.
Seanberlin, does this mean you have cancer? If so I am very sorry. Please accept my sincere wishes for a full recovery. If that is not possible, and you have really decided to stop this the only way you can, please do NOT use abrus or ricin. It is very painful and you do not deserve to go out like this. There are other chemicals far less cruel that will give you the same effect without the 5-7 days of torture. It is worse than carbolic acid. Effects of ricin or abrus depend on how much is received and how received. Whether injected, inhaled or consumed, each method has it varying effects but each is VERY BAD. Please do NOT order ricin. I have never had chemo but have seen the effects on a relative. He suffered incredibly. It’s very tough on the patient as chemo is indiscriminate – healthy cells are destroyed along with the infected ones. Take care on selecting the right one. If you must at all. You’re in the right place to open this for debate; most SR members will give you honest advice from an experienced, been-there-done-that vantage point. Forget Wikipedia.
I can’t promise to respond to everyone. Some posts I see here are simply too stupid to reply to. Most though are intelligent. I have to say discussion on Silk Road is usually more intelligent than the crap you get from most political forums, what does that say? If SR members ran for government, do you think we’d do a worse job or a better job? I’m off to watch more Simpsons now, piece everyone. Drive safely.
Favourite quote for today: “driving while on ketamine may be unsafe.” YOU THINK??????
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The answer is no.
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I’m surprised some people in this thread said no to my proposal, but free country, fair enough. OTH, n0n00dz4u has ventured into explosives which makes my suggestion to buy and sell poisons on Silk Road seem fairly tame, eh?
I also enjoy reading about nitroglicerine. Further more I have a few ideas for design of a 3 layer thermonuclear bomb in as comapact a design as possible. These would be using U-238 into P-239 as the orginal thermonuclear design allows.
If you’re reading this, n0n00dz4u, you might want to skip the heavy stuff and just concentrate on good old C4, grenades and firecrackers. Plutonium and uranium? I mean, Jesus Christ. Grenades are safer. And even them I wouldn’t play with in my house. Consider doing 1: firecrackers, 2: grenades, 3: C4, 4: back to 1 again.
I notice that a few ‘hotter’ items are mentioned under Guest Markets. Perhaps if some of the more dubious items (how poisons can be considered dubious alongside ICE and heroin I simply don’t know – ICE is not for beginners!) were presented in this category, at least you could say it was away from the main section of SR. It’s not much but it’s SOMEthing.
I noticed a pile of junk was dropped inside my fence two days ago and I thought some ratty little punk-face had dumped their trash there because they were too stupid to operate a bin. I went outside with my metho and a box of matches to burn it (it looked like linen or some crap and I was going to move it onto the road and I like to burn things sometimes so long as they’re not people). Anyway I got closer and realised some chick had taken her clothes off, along with her underwear, during the night for some reason and had managed to leave them there, also for some reason. (Nice sized bra, it must have been FF or G or something. Anyway that’s not the point.) Oh yeah I just moved them off my property. And THAT’s not the point.
Not everything seems like a good idea at first but then you think about it and sometimes change your mind and think stuff it, it’s not the end of the world. (First impressions don’t last.) If people aren’t comfortable with it yet perhaps I should make it myself and vend it. But first I would need the plants, or seeds at least and if even THAT is prohibited in my country it begins to become a vicious cycle.
Anyway…. Til next time. Pick up your undies Whoever-It-Is-Who-Dropped-Em. (And then come inside for a “coffee.”) Piece out. Stay safe. Stay crazy.
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Poison are you mad :o
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ya like someone on here needs Serran Gas or Ebola
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I actually registered to put up a request for a poison until I saw this thread. I'm not sure I see the distinction in taking in substances that alter your experience in life and another to end it as we know it.
The cause of so much strife on Earth is precisely because no one has any idea what death actually is. I would most welcome a product that would help in that regard. You could say to each his own form of escape.
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well buy 5 time release morphines and 5 diazapan and see you next life
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I actually registered to put up a request for a poison until I saw this thread. I'm not sure I see the distinction in taking in substances that alter your experience in life and another to end it as we know it.
The cause of so much strife on Earth is precisely because no one has any idea what death actually is. I would most welcome a product that would help in that regard. You could say to each his own form of escape.
Wholly nutbag fuckface.
Go buy and drink some Drano if you'd like to 'understand death'. No need for a structured poison distribution network ... unless .. YOU'RE A FUCKING MURDERER
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I actually registered to put up a request for a poison until I saw this thread. I'm not sure I see the distinction in taking in substances that alter your experience in life and another to end it as we know it.
The cause of so much strife on Earth is precisely because no one has any idea what death actually is. I would most welcome a product that would help in that regard. You could say to each his own form of escape.
This is the third post I’ve seen in two weeks asking that exact same question in the exact same scenario. Some do not see the distinction; in some cases the only difference between someone slowly poisoning themselves over 30, 40 years on speed to someone who pops a final pill for the purpose of euthanasia, is merely just a difference in time units. Philip Nitschke doesn’t, not that he’s a great role model because he openly disregards laws he doesn’t approve of. I expect the pro-euthanasia movement will spark more debate in forums like this as more and more people question whether we are mature enough as human beings to make a carefully-weighed decision on when to ‘call it a day’, and whether one has the right to select a drug or chemical that will aide them in that endeavour.
I don’t know your particular circumstances. I do know people are doing the above on a daily basis and that the practice is more widespread than reported. And I also know that there are some very inelegant and unexpectedly painful methods of accomplishing this that the right kind of drugs will disintermediate with a degree of mercy and comfort. I would however issue a caution to younger people from even thinking about it if they are already, because everything seems somehow worse than it actually is, at a younger age.
There already are poisons in a slew of products that we ingest on weekly basis without fatal consequence, as they are packeted in trace amounts that are either harmless, harmful only when cumulated, or are even good for us. I don’t think you’ll find TOO much opposition on SR in finding a vendor who stocks something that falls into the category you may wish to purchase. Tactfully ask vendors, and do not be put off by negative commentary by ‘unsuccessful’ types who have failed to become something in life and now sit on forums like these 12-16 hours day after day because they don’t have a job to be at, just dribbling their nonsense and vicissitudes to anyone who will listen, and derogatising any intelligent discussion on the forum as they are not sufficiently mentally equipped to join in, and correspondingly feel left out and lonely. The posts from these ‘victims of society’ usually comprise one or two lines, are rambling rants that don’t go anywhere, and can barely be made out amid the pooh fyve yeer uld grummuh ansh shpellung erruhs. Some call them trolls. In reality they’re loners. Thankfully these don’t represent the aggregate community of Silk Road, and there are some intelligent people who will give you sound advice should you ask for it. Pine and kissbang are two, but there are plenty more. So don’t give up! My caution however, would be to have a really good think about it as we are yet to discover an effective resurrection narcotic. Think, and then think some more, before reaching a decision.
My unlimited goodwill to all. Stay safe. Drive safely. Remember to eat. Piece out.
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I have an interest in chemicals in general. Currently im looking for a small amount of N-Pentane. Hard to stay underground as a chemist when it comes to chemical purchasing, and i do not have it in me to risk losing my job trying to siphon off what i can get my hands on
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Qwame09 has a chemist background also. Perhaps he could redirect you? I think he's intending to vend sassafras oil.
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Hey I just bumped up a thread I created a few days ago.... but I'm in desperate need of some DDT. It's supposedly an easy synthesis. Any trained chemist should have no difficulty with it.
I'm having a terrible time with bed bugs and will pay a premium if anyone can help! This is definitely a chemical that people need and want. Just try googling "where can i buy DDT". I haven't found anywhere on the internet.
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There should be a 'Fissile Materials' category on SR, i'm sure that no harm can be done with that :P *sarcasm*
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* Custom bump for limi *
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Yeah, that's exactly what we need, poisons. DPR would need to be an idiot to even consider it.
What the fuck is wrong with you people?
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As indicated above, this is a custom bump for limi. Feedback is no longer required on this subject, though that needn't stop anybody I guess.
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Well,
I'll reply anyway.
I think DPR has the right definition of "Poison" - because a lot of the substances sold here "drugs" or "precursors" will kill you deader than dead in larger amounts.
(What's the difference between a "Poison" and not is a matter of dose and circumstance.)
Food for thought: VX "nerve gas" is a deadly poison... UNLESS you are exposed to a glycolate deliriant (like BZ or 3-QNB) in which case a small bit of a cholinesterase inhibitor like a "nerve gas" is the ANTIDOTE.
I'm in need of some "general research chemicals" and some larger 3 neck flasks.
If someone comes up with something for sale, I'm a buyer.
Funnny thing? BZ/3-QNB? It's on the Chemical Weapons Convention lists, yet some find it a drug they LIKE.
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Well i don't really see why, there is already enough, cyanide then high doses of scoplamine, GHB, 25i, heroin, or whatever can all kill you..
If you want some poisonous gas, you can make home made poisonous gas, drop a coin in the container, put in bleach and get the fuck out.