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Discussion => Newbie discussion => Topic started by: mrmoonman on July 20, 2013, 01:20 am

Title: Whats the best way to tumble coins??!?!?
Post by: mrmoonman on July 20, 2013, 01:20 am
Getting ready, and was wondering this. Thoughts/opinions? :)
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Post by: RagingSilk55 on July 20, 2013, 01:24 am
I'm pretty sure SR does it for you. I just put in coins, got them within 2 hours. GL.
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Post by: mrmoonman on July 20, 2013, 01:27 am
I've heard the same but I'm looking for thoughts on if you should still tumble them before sending to SR
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Post by: Ron Swanson on July 20, 2013, 01:27 am
bitcoin fog is quite popular
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Post by: cryngie on July 20, 2013, 01:32 am
The  anonymity engine built in to blockchain.info wallets is the best i recon
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Post by: superior2014 on July 20, 2013, 01:44 am
I have a couple of random wallets that I can change/update/randomize and send them through there first
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Post by: mrmoonman on July 20, 2013, 01:51 am
Yeah that sounds like a good Idea, Guess im going to see what bitcoin fog is about. Ive heard blockchain.info can get subpeona'd by LE whereas an E btc wallet can go about their business more anonymously. Thats why im interested what you kind folks do
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Post by: missbliss on July 20, 2013, 02:11 am
Yeah that sounds like a good Idea, Guess im going to see what bitcoin fog is about. Ive heard blockchain.info can get subpeona'd by LE whereas an E btc wallet can go about their business more anonymously. Thats why im interested what you kind folks do

hi hi

please provide a link to this proof. this is first time i'm hearing of blockchain getting subpenaed and before i believe you i want to verify.

xoxo
-mb
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Post by: rjbridges on July 20, 2013, 02:16 am
I just tumble them through a few wallets like blockchain and localbitcoins while accessing from different IPs and then just send to SR account, it has a built in tumbler too like has been said
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Post by: mrmoonman on July 20, 2013, 02:35 am
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Weaknesses#Tracing_a_coin.27s_history is the link. I just stumbled upon it myself.
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Post by: missbliss on July 20, 2013, 03:02 am
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Weaknesses#Tracing_a_coin.27s_history is the link. I just stumbled upon it myself.

that is a simple wiki on bitcoin.

there is NOTHING in there related to a subpena of blockchain.  unless you have proof of this, please dont spread rumors.

xoxo
-mb
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Post by: xdubbx on July 20, 2013, 03:05 am
i just dont see the need
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Post by: mrmoonman on July 20, 2013, 03:37 am
I know some people don't and some people do.

And on the link I linked above ^ you have to click on more info of tracing coin...there talking hypothetical not supporting quotes but they are talking if its possible..and I am just curious is all..not trying to spread anything.
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Post by: Ron Swanson on July 20, 2013, 05:08 am
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Weaknesses#Tracing_a_coin.27s_history is the link. I just stumbled upon it myself.

that is a simple wiki on bitcoin.

there is NOTHING in there related to a subpena of blockchain.  unless you have proof of this, please dont spread rumors.

xoxo
-mb

he's saying it could happen in future not that it's already happened. blockchain.info is a legit business so if the feds feel that the sites being used for money laundering or whatever surely they can demand access to records? if the servers not somewhere off limits i guess, not sure how that works. that's why you should use a tumbler separate from the sr one in case the deposit addresses get linked to sr, you put it through a third party tumbler first then into sr which basically is a giant tumbler until you spend and the vendor withdraws.
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Post by: missbliss on July 20, 2013, 08:04 am
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Weaknesses#Tracing_a_coin.27s_history is the link. I just stumbled upon it myself.

that is a simple wiki on bitcoin.

there is NOTHING in there related to a subpena of blockchain.  unless you have proof of this, please dont spread rumors.

xoxo
-mb

he's saying it could happen in future not that it's already happened. blockchain.info is a legit business so if the feds feel that the sites being used for money laundering or whatever surely they can demand access to records? if the servers not somewhere off limits i guess, not sure how that works. that's why you should use a tumbler separate from the sr one in case the deposit addresses get linked to sr, you put it through a third party tumbler first then into sr which basically is a giant tumbler until you spend and the vendor withdraws.

hi hi

i'm not a lawyer, but AFAIK money laundering involves actual fiat currency.  blockchain has nothing to do with fiat currency, and so long as it remains that way it should be totally fine.   the way it was worded above:
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"Ive heard blockchain.info can get subpeona'd by LE whereas an E btc wallet can go about their business more anonymously."
led me to believe that it had happened at least one time in the past, of which i've never heard.

also, blockchain has a mixer too - and you dont even need a wallet there to use it. plus the site has free coin taint analysis to make sure you get truly unrelated new coins if you wish.  furthermore, you dont need to give blockchain any type of identifying information, since as i surmise, legally, BTC has nothing to do with money laundering, therefore it does not need to follow banking KYC laws.

remember: it's not the COINS that are "dirty" - it's their transaction history that may or may not be able to get linked to you. properly mixing and getting new ones alleviates that to an immense degree.

xoxo
-mb
Title: Re: Whats the best way to tumble coins??!?!?
Post by: Ron Swanson on July 20, 2013, 12:48 pm
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Weaknesses#Tracing_a_coin.27s_history is the link. I just stumbled upon it myself.

that is a simple wiki on bitcoin.

there is NOTHING in there related to a subpena of blockchain.  unless you have proof of this, please dont spread rumors.

xoxo
-mb

he's saying it could happen in future not that it's already happened. blockchain.info is a legit business so if the feds feel that the sites being used for money laundering or whatever surely they can demand access to records? if the servers not somewhere off limits i guess, not sure how that works. that's why you should use a tumbler separate from the sr one in case the deposit addresses get linked to sr, you put it through a third party tumbler first then into sr which basically is a giant tumbler until you spend and the vendor withdraws.

hi hi

i'm not a lawyer, but AFAIK money laundering involves actual fiat currency.  blockchain has nothing to do with fiat currency, and so long as it remains that way it should be totally fine.   the way it was worded above:
Quote
"Ive heard blockchain.info can get subpeona'd by LE whereas an E btc wallet can go about their business more anonymously."
led me to believe that it had happened at least one time in the past, of which i've never heard.

also, blockchain has a mixer too - and you dont even need a wallet there to use it. plus the site has free coin taint analysis to make sure you get truly unrelated new coins if you wish.  furthermore, you dont need to give blockchain any type of identifying information, since as i surmise, legally, BTC has nothing to do with money laundering, therefore it does not need to follow banking KYC laws.

remember: it's not the COINS that are "dirty" - it's their transaction history that may or may not be able to get linked to you. properly mixing and getting new ones alleviates that to an immense degree.

xoxo
-mb

what do you mean blockchain doesn't involve fiat currency?! they acted as a bitcoin exchange. i have bought bitcoins from them with british pounds. sterling. real money. how do you think people pay? fairy dust? blockchains bank account in the uk was shut down due to anti money laundering laws(after the same thing happened to mt. gox and intersango), it's very much a concern of governments and law enforcement agencies around the world. if it is suspected that a company is complicit in facilitating organised crime, they will investigate it because it is a crime, simple as. i think that general rule transcends borders. i really think you should have a chat with a lawyer just to clear things up. i have no idea who you are but now i'm weirdly concerned for your safety. well that and somewhat suspicious you could be le trying to make newbies slip up..
Title: Re: Whats the best way to tumble coins??!?!?
Post by: missbliss on July 20, 2013, 05:04 pm
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Weaknesses#Tracing_a_coin.27s_history is the link. I just stumbled upon it myself.

that is a simple wiki on bitcoin.

there is NOTHING in there related to a subpena of blockchain.  unless you have proof of this, please dont spread rumors.

xoxo
-mb

he's saying it could happen in future not that it's already happened. blockchain.info is a legit business so if the feds feel that the sites being used for money laundering or whatever surely they can demand access to records? if the servers not somewhere off limits i guess, not sure how that works. that's why you should use a tumbler separate from the sr one in case the deposit addresses get linked to sr, you put it through a third party tumbler first then into sr which basically is a giant tumbler until you spend and the vendor withdraws.

hi hi

i'm not a lawyer, but AFAIK money laundering involves actual fiat currency.  blockchain has nothing to do with fiat currency, and so long as it remains that way it should be totally fine.   the way it was worded above:
Quote
"Ive heard blockchain.info can get subpeona'd by LE whereas an E btc wallet can go about their business more anonymously."
led me to believe that it had happened at least one time in the past, of which i've never heard.

also, blockchain has a mixer too - and you dont even need a wallet there to use it. plus the site has free coin taint analysis to make sure you get truly unrelated new coins if you wish.  furthermore, you dont need to give blockchain any type of identifying information, since as i surmise, legally, BTC has nothing to do with money laundering, therefore it does not need to follow banking KYC laws.

remember: it's not the COINS that are "dirty" - it's their transaction history that may or may not be able to get linked to you. properly mixing and getting new ones alleviates that to an immense degree.

xoxo
-mb

what do you mean blockchain doesn't involve fiat currency?! they acted as a bitcoin exchange. i have bought bitcoins from them with british pounds. sterling. real money. how do you think people pay? fairy dust? blockchains bank account in the uk was shut down due to anti money laundering laws(after the same thing happened to mt. gox and intersango), it's very much a concern of governments and law enforcement agencies around the world. if it is suspected that a company is complicit in facilitating organised crime, they will investigate it because it is a crime, simple as. i think that general rule transcends borders. i really think you should have a chat with a lawyer just to clear things up. i have no idea who you are but now i'm weirdly concerned for your safety. well that and somewhat suspicious you could be le trying to make newbies slip up..

well hot damn ron, you are correct -- however ONLY uk users are able to deposit from a bank wire:

according to the site:
Quote
"What countries is the service available in?
This service is only available to users in the United Kingdom."

being in USA i've only ever used it as an e-wallet.   furthermore, the UK is much more lenient on bitcoin and banking laws. see this article on coindesk for more info:

http://www.coindesk.com/hmrc-uk-bitcoin-exchanges-dont-have-to-register-under-money-laundering-regulations/

also as far as i can tell, blockchain does not have a limit book for users to sell bitcoins for cash. just to buy them from their bank direct. or send them to other BTC addresses.

news to me.

and thanks for the concern, but i'm ok ;)

xoxo
-mb
Title: Re: Whats the best way to tumble coins??!?!?
Post by: mrmoonman on July 20, 2013, 11:03 pm
So what shall a newbie do, tumble with bitcoin fog, or mix with blockchain.info? Any other legit sites for use?

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Post by: mrmoonman on July 21, 2013, 06:10 am
bump
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Post by: devilsadvocate on July 21, 2013, 06:19 am
good thread
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Post by: Juggernog on July 21, 2013, 06:20 am
just use a washer and dryer ;) they usually clean whatever I have that is dirty. hehe
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Post by: mrmoonman on July 21, 2013, 06:40 am
Come on now, I'm looking for some input so I can travel down the road..
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Post by: Juggernog on July 21, 2013, 06:42 am
I know, i'm just messing. read up there are some good suggestions here.
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Post by: mrmoonman on July 21, 2013, 06:49 am
I know that haha.. but i'm just wanting to hear other peoples opinions on whats better for them, etc :)
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Post by: Juggernog on July 21, 2013, 07:00 am
I use a new address each time on blockchain.info then bitcoinfog, then SR..
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Post by: mrmoonman on July 21, 2013, 07:08 am
Right on, thanks for the input. Sounds like thats a good way of going about things while traveling down the road.
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Post by: agenorexchange on July 21, 2013, 07:13 am
cash them in and out of an exchange
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Post by: REDzyy on July 21, 2013, 07:17 am
bitfog
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Post by: Porn Star on July 21, 2013, 07:20 am
How long does it take to cycle coins into and out of blockchain.info?
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Post by: cryngie on July 21, 2013, 09:26 pm
How long does it take to cycle coins into and out of blockchain.info?

a COUPLE OF MINUTES
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Post by: Porn Star on July 21, 2013, 10:09 pm
Thanks Cryngie! :D
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Post by: BTC King on July 21, 2013, 10:39 pm
don't tumble coins. the only thing you're doing is making the owners of bitcoin fog rich for doing fuck all
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Post by: mrmoonman on July 22, 2013, 08:59 pm
we have to use CLEARNET for tumbling coins/buying coins, for example have to use coinbase on CLEARNET and tumble also with CLEARNET?

Or can we do this using Tor.

Another thing, when I logged on to Tor browser today the homepage said there was an error and couldn't load, has this happend to anyone else?
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Post by: cryngie on July 22, 2013, 09:21 pm
Yes use clearnet to buy and tumble coins if you buy using tor with your card no point in tumbling as then your card is linked to transactions through TOR. Buy tumble thend send on clearnet then go to TOR

By homepage do you mean the congratulations you are using TOR page if so yes that has happened to me a few times normally just refreshing works but once i had to close and start again
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Post by: mrmoonman on July 22, 2013, 09:42 pm
Yeah, thats the congradulations page i'm talking about. I refreshed, same thing occurred, so than I just said fk it and went to SR. Hopefully it won't compromise anything.

And thanks for answering my questions.

Is a good way to mix coins on blockchain.info, to just send to a few different new addresses and then to SR?
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Post by: isallmememe on July 22, 2013, 10:27 pm
I use a new address each time on blockchain.info then bitcoinfog, then SR..

are there any charges for doing that? ..from blockchain or btcfog i mean
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Post by: cryngie on July 22, 2013, 11:02 pm
mrmoonman: Thats fine if Tor wasnt working you wouldnt get to the road
                     Once you send the coins to blockchain wallet they come out with a different no. but you can use multiple addys if you want i run them from coinjar to blockchain then to my wallet on computer then to phones wallet then to SR the only thing is blockchain charges depending on the size of sent transaction although mine are usually only .001BTC or so



isallmememe:  blockchain charges depending on the size of sent transaction although mine are usually only .001BTC or so
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Post by: AirshipAdmiral on July 23, 2013, 01:17 am
http://fogcore5n3ov3tui.onion/

According to theory, bitcoin tumbling (laundering) actually places bitcoins in a shared pool composed of a set of heavily protected bitcoin addresses (keypairs).

The idea is that these keypairs prevent anyone from really being able to tell which coins going in are the same coins going out.

To make this effective, a substantial pool of coins are kept, and coins going in AND out are supposed to be transacted in randomized smaller portions, in order to make keeping track a lot harder.

It actually helps, if done right, because the bitcoin blockchain is public - anyone can read every transaction.

The only anonymity you have is that it's sometimes not easy to make the connection between a random number and you.

Using bitcoin over Tor, and using tumblers makes it damn near impossible, assuming the volks politzi don't physically raid your computers with the keys ("addresses") on them.

Tor relay servers are just as public and obvious as the Bitcoin blockchain, so understanding the limitations of the Bitcoin and Tor network designs is essential.

These technologies are far from perfect.
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Post by: jiggybeans on July 23, 2013, 03:32 am
basic Q:

is there a .onion address for bitfog? what is the address for it? and can you simply access it using tor?
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Post by: mrmoonman on July 23, 2013, 03:34 am
yes, http://fogcore5n3ov3tui.onion/?page=index
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Post by: jiggybeans on July 23, 2013, 03:44 am
yes, http://fogcore5n3ov3tui.onion/?page=index

okay great, thanks! and then is it advised to sign up using a different username and everything than sr details?
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Post by: isallmememe on July 23, 2013, 08:07 am
isallmememe:  blockchain charges depending on the size of sent transaction although mine are usually only .001BTC or so

so i'm going to pay the btc vendor extra for my btc to start with, then i'm going to pay blockchain, then my ewallet charges when my btc goes through there. that's going to make my drugs even more expensive than they are now.

is localbitcoin>ewallet>silkroad really that risky to warrant the extra cost? or is there a little bit of paranoia going on here?
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Post by: agenorexchange on July 23, 2013, 04:44 pm
Any exchanger will tumble your coins.
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Post by: isallmememe on July 23, 2013, 06:27 pm
Any exchanger will tumble your coins.

even localbtc??
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Post by: aredhel on July 26, 2013, 06:17 pm
[...] and then is it advised to sign up using a different username and everything than sr details?

Oh by all means give your SR credentials to every site on the tor net, they will be happy to plunder your account :P
j/k

..seriously...
ALWAYS use a new password for every site, at least if there's a chance they might be in each other's scope (which is a given for BitFog and SR), and the admin password of your computer should be an entirely different one that is never ever used on the net.

So, different passwords for every black market site and for every bitcoin related site, as well. Sorry for the inconvenience.
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Post by: hayzeus on July 26, 2013, 07:17 pm
[...] and then is it advised to sign up using a different username and everything than sr details?

Oh by all means give your SR credentials to every site on the tor net, they will be happy to plunder your account :P
j/k

..seriously...
ALWAYS use a new password for every site, at least if there's a chance they might be in each other's scope (which is a given for BitFog and SR), and the admin password of your computer should be an entirely different one that is never ever used on the net.

So, different passwords for every black market site and for every bitcoin related site, as well. Sorry for the inconvenience.

SO INCONVENIENT, BUT SO NECESSARY!  I just got into this whole game and will be purchasing my first goods tonight after 9 days of study and 4 days of waiting for my bitcoins to show up in COINBASE.

I will be sending my coinbase btc > blockchain > SR.  After all my study, this seems to me enough precaution for my liking.  Does blockchain cost btc to use?  I haven't even looked into that one yet!@
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Post by: mrmoonman on July 26, 2013, 09:53 pm
No, blockchain doesn't really charge. I seen .0001 last time. :)...obviously if your xferring a lot through there i'm sure they will take a small cut though, as would anyone else.