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Market => Product offers => Topic started by: Chapman on September 13, 2012, 08:43 am

Title: Interest Check: Phenmetrazine(Preludin) and 4-Methylaminorex(U4Ea, 4-mar)
Post by: Chapman on September 13, 2012, 08:43 am
Just your typical interest check, wondering if there's enough demand to set up a vendor account.

Preludin: '60s-'70s stimulant, originally an appetite suppressant. Known for having less side effects than the amphetamines, and being a favorite of the Beatles.
4-mar: the original Ice. Comparable to meth with a longer duration.

General questions:
...Interested?
Which is more appealing?
In what form/dosage(crystals, powder, capsules, pressed pills)?
At what price?

May be shooting myself in the foot with the last one. I have numbers in mind, but I'm curious to see how they match up with SR.
Title: Re: Interest Check: Phenmetrazine(Preludin) and 4-Methylaminorex(U4Ea, 4-mar)
Post by: Methadonia on September 13, 2012, 09:27 am
Fuck yeah! I'd be keen as hell. I'd say crystals or powder would be good. Weighed capsules would be good, but in my experience capsules have a tendency to be cut. Like the difference between mdma caps and a gram of the stuff is usually the caps will be chock full of caffeine too.

Would take a spin on the 4-MAR but preludin is my number one most wanted to try upper. I hear it's the bee's knees when you inject it. Seriously, is this just a maybe, possibly or are you getting onto it?
Title: Re: Interest Check: Phenmetrazine(Preludin) and 4-Methylaminorex(U4Ea, 4-mar)
Post by: Chapman on September 13, 2012, 11:50 am
Yay!
I know what you mean as far as capsules go, though mine most definitely would not be cut ^.^
This is happening. It might take a month or three to get on its feet, but it's happening.
Title: Re: Interest Check: Phenmetrazine(Preludin) and 4-Methylaminorex(U4Ea, 4-mar)
Post by: Bob Arctor on September 13, 2012, 12:07 pm
I will believe it when i see it:)
Title: Re: Interest Check: Phenmetrazine(Preludin) and 4-Methylaminorex(U4Ea, 4-mar)
Post by: DigitalDong on September 13, 2012, 07:45 pm
if i only had a BTC for every time I have seen 4mar here in product offers ..... will also need to see before belief ;)
Title: Re: Interest Check: Phenmetrazine(Preludin) and 4-Methylaminorex(U4Ea, 4-mar)
Post by: nosaj_thing on September 13, 2012, 09:11 pm
you know there's interest for 4-mar. stop teasing us!
Title: Re: Interest Check: Phenmetrazine(Preludin) and 4-Methylaminorex(U4Ea, 4-mar)
Post by: MC Haberdasher on September 13, 2012, 10:35 pm
you know there's interest for 4-mar. stop teasing us!

Ditto..  Will someone just offer the shit already
Title: Re: Interest Check: Phenmetrazine(Preludin) and 4-Methylaminorex(U4Ea, 4-mar)
Post by: hillybilly2 on September 14, 2012, 02:57 pm
Lets hope if and when it happens the silly fool knows how to do this and does not kill everyone with the leftover Prussian Blue.   Every kid in college looks at this synthesis things easy cheesy. hmm well if that ere the case we would be swimming in the gear. Certainly in the case of 4 MAR there is a real reason this is not widely available. First the precursor has become very hard to obtain and the actual synthesis.Well google it there is plenty information.   Preludin would be nice but how available is it? Not sure about its synthesis but 4 MAris much more interesting to me.

Hilly
Title: Re: Interest Check: Phenmetrazine(Preludin) and 4-Methylaminorex(U4Ea, 4-mar)
Post by: Methadonia on September 15, 2012, 01:37 am
You can keep your 4Mar, preludin is meant to be the best EVER of all stimulants to shoot or just take, full stop
Title: Re: Interest Check: Phenmetrazine(Preludin) and 4-Methylaminorex(U4Ea, 4-mar)
Post by: le botbahn on September 15, 2012, 09:21 am
It's worth mentioning that the compounds OP has in mind came about from our suggestions. A few weeks back he said that he is a chemist/grad student and asked what compounds we'd like to.see. I see that he took our input seriously at the very least. This one seems to be the most promising of all of those who've claimed to bring these compounds yet. Still, I agree that I'll believe it when I.see it. 
I do have a bit of faith with this guy. He acknowledged the items that were beyond his level & capabilities such as LSD and chose compounds that have novelty but are withhin the grasp of someone at his level, given that he can procure the precursors or produce them himself. Him choosing focusing on these suggested compounds in the end, among the many profitable suggestions, to me suggests that he knows a thing or two chemistry and may actually be serious. We shall see :)

To answer OPs questions-

I'd prefer preludin over 4-mar for the following reasons:

1. Safety profile:
4-mar is linked to irreversie pulmonary hypertension while preludin has a relatively excellent safety & side effect profile. This makes it more suitable for long term use.

2. Preludin appears to be even more enjoyable than 4-mar, according to those old schoolers who claim they've tried both. It's well documented to be better than amp/methamp, as is 4-mar, but I'll go with the safer one.

3. Precursors are likely easier to source, and the synth as far as i understand is easier, for preludin than 4-mar.

That said, I'd LOVE to try both, but I feel that preludin is probably.the better choice overall for the above reasons.
Don't be afraid to offer limited amounts of 4-mar, or produce both if itt's actually possible.


As far as how which form to offer: whichever is easiest and least costl y, and most versitile to the buyer. I'd imagine this would be raw crystals/powder, which would also add legitimacy to whichever you offer. Presses offered from the get go would come offas a bit sketchy imo.

Please come.through on this OP. As I said in your previous thread, you'll have a global monopoly on either one, especially preludin.

And importantly, have you confirmed your ability to source any of the precursors yet? And if so, which? And do you feel it will be enough the meet the massive demand you'll be facing?
All the best if you're serious...if you are, you're gonna be kind of a big deal around here.
Title: Re: Interest Check: Phenmetrazine(Preludin) and 4-Methylaminorex(U4Ea, 4-mar)
Post by: Chapman on September 16, 2012, 10:22 am
Definitely understand the need to see before belief. I'm sure the follow-through rate for most of these posts is something like 2%.
Hilly--yeah, the 4-mar synthesis involves cyanide gases, so pretty easy to die if you're an idiot about it.
le botbahn, thanks for the kind words.
As far as precursor, 4-mar and Preludin share one, hence I'm likely to do both. Supply was easier than I thought, just playing the waiting game until I have enough for a few months in advance-- wouldn't want to burn through it all in two weeks and disappear.
Currently squirreling away reagents and working out some details, which will hopefully be done in a month but may take as long as two. Then the trial run, testing, resolving possible issues...I would say by the end of December at absolute latest, and end of October soonest, I'll start sending out samples.
And powder or crystals it is. Most likely powder, but not certain yet.
Title: Re: Interest Check: Phenmetrazine(Preludin) and 4-Methylaminorex(U4Ea, 4-mar)
Post by: le botbahn on September 16, 2012, 11:36 am
Definitely understand the need to see before belief. I'm sure the follow-through rate for most of these posts is something like 2%.
Hilly--yeah, the 4-mar synthesis involves cyanide gases, so pretty easy to die if you're an idiot about it.
le botbahn, thanks for the kind words.
As far as precursor, 4-mar and Preludin share one, hence I'm likely to do both. Supply was easier than I thought, just playing the waiting game until I have enough for a few months in advancee-- wouldn't want to burn through it all in two weeks and disappear.
Currently squirreling away reagents and working out some details, which will hopefully be done in a month but may take as long as two. Then the trial run, testing, resolving possible issues...I would say by the end of December at absolute latest, and end of October soonest, I'll start sending out samples.
And powder or crystals it is. Most likely powder, but not certain yet.
This is good to hear! I'll be watching for an update.
Title: Re: Interest Check: Phenmetrazine(Preludin) and 4-Methylaminorex(U4Ea, 4-mar)
Post by: Methadonia on September 16, 2012, 12:30 pm
Man the idea of powder / crystal phenmetrazine is so cool. Any idea at the moment an approximate price? since you're compiling stuff for it.
Title: Re: Interest Check: Phenmetrazine(Preludin) and 4-Methylaminorex(U4Ea, 4-mar)
Post by: le botbahn on September 16, 2012, 06:33 pm
Good question Methadonia. I'm interested in a ballpark figure too. When these compounds get reviewed and listings go up I wanna be prepared like Y2K.
Title: Re: Interest Check: Phenmetrazine(Preludin) and 4-Methylaminorex(U4Ea, 4-mar)
Post by: jtemp102311 on September 16, 2012, 06:36 pm
this is why this place is so exciting!

right on chapman.
Title: Re: Interest Check: Phenmetrazine(Preludin) and 4-Methylaminorex(U4Ea, 4-mar)
Post by: ReallyNiceGuy on September 16, 2012, 07:18 pm
Oh hell yes. Interested in both of them and you know it.
Title: Re: Interest Check: Phenmetrazine(Preludin) and 4-Methylaminorex(U4Ea, 4-mar)
Post by: Chapman on September 17, 2012, 03:25 pm
Price has me a bit stumped at the moment. I know what it costs me to make, but I have no idea what the demand curve looks like.
There seem to be two tiers of stimulants in terms of pricing on SR-- the more well known stuff, e.g. methamphetamine/cocaine/amphetamine/etc, at around $100(8.6BTC)/g on average, and the more obscure/research/compound-previously-known-as-research chemicals for $30-$60 (2.5-6BTC) a gram. I'm not sure which 4-mar and/or Phenmet belong to.
My stab in the dark would be $50(~4.2BTC)/g to move a kilogram every month or two. This might be showing too many cards, but I'm not sure if that's high, low, or reasonable.
My main concern with pricing is keeping production up with sales. I can only scale up so much before arousing suspicion, or needing to set up a shell company.
Title: Re: Interest Check: Phenmetrazine(Preludin) and 4-Methylaminorex(U4Ea, 4-mar)
Post by: jpinkman on September 17, 2012, 11:04 pm
Wow. This IS really exciting. The mythical Preludin or 4MAR that I've been trying to find for almost 20 years. Go Chapman!

Pricing advise. If it's legit, then I think you'll find it hard to maintain any inventory all if you price at $50/G since it will probably be sold out in a day or two. :)  Because if it lives up to the hype then it will become the preferred alternative to MA. So to prevent it from flying off the shelves and having to "scale up" immediately you'll want to price it at a premium to meth, like somewhere in the $150-$200/G range and maybe higher if you find you can't keep up with demand.

But your $50/G sounds great to start off the introductory round to establish quality and allow word to get around if it turns out to be everything we all hope it is. :)
Title: Re: Interest Check: Phenmetrazine(Preludin) and 4-Methylaminorex(U4Ea, 4-mar)
Post by: Deso on September 17, 2012, 11:49 pm
since 20 years i wanted to try 4-mar pls make an vendor account and beginning selling. i heared so much from that gem (4-mar) i can“t await it to get an gram of it. idk what an price cost but i would pay top dollars for legit 4-mar.


if you start sell them in 250/500/100mg amounts you will be rich. i would sell powder or crystals because i think its better for long time storage.


4-mar a truely legend! i wanted it so bad
Title: Re: Interest Check: Phenmetrazine(Preludin) and 4-Methylaminorex(U4Ea, 4-mar)
Post by: le botbahn on September 18, 2012, 01:40 am
I agree with JP on pricing. I'll take 50/g any day, all day. But if the quality is there and it works as it.should, you're going to make ghost of much of the stimulant markets. Especially the MA market.
I'd prefer to see you around.for.the long term. If charging higher prices will ensure long term viability for you, then should price accordingly IMO. Obviosly.there is a tradeoff after a certain point, but if you can provide a competative alternative to the MA market in pricing and quality (neither of which should be difficult, especially in the current state of.affairs),  I'd imagine that you'd have no problem operating at any capacity you choose.



Title: Re: Interest Check: Phenmetrazine(Preludin) and 4-Methylaminorex(U4Ea, 4-mar)
Post by: Methadonia on September 18, 2012, 04:52 am
50$ is probably too cheap, considering it was sold as pills and in todays values, it'd be pretty expensive.
Title: Re: Interest Check: Phenmetrazine(Preludin) and 4-Methylaminorex(U4Ea, 4-mar)
Post by: sniper123 on September 20, 2012, 11:25 am
As long as i can smoke the 4 mar, i'm down! :D
Title: Re: Interest Check: Phenmetrazine(Preludin) and 4-Methylaminorex(U4Ea, 4-mar)
Post by: Methadonia on September 21, 2012, 01:50 pm
Personally, I think the price should be quite high, So people respect it. God forbid, in a worst case scenario where Chinese chemists start banging out knock off batches of phenmetrazine themselves and since it's 10 or 20$ a gram then old Frathouse-Fred snorts the whole thing. There's tons of douches out there who wouldn't and do not respect drugs. We get a little taste of freedom and the idiots going overboard kill it.

Raise the prices and weed out the ones who're just buying it because it's the cheapest stimulant. I know there's no system in place like the one I'm describing but if only there was a way that those who would appreciate it fully and use responsibly have access. Tor is already a decent step in that direction, but there's still enough plebian mouth breathers around who got here following articles on "the most dangerous drug website EVA - here's how to access in 10 easy steps" - you can have it going by the time the ads for coro street are done.
Title: Re: Interest Check: Phenmetrazine(Preludin) and 4-Methylaminorex(U4Ea, 4-mar)
Post by: MC Haberdasher on September 21, 2012, 04:25 pm
Personally, I think the price should be quite high, So people respect it. God forbid, in a worst case scenario where Chinese chemists start banging out knock off batches of phenmetrazine themselves and since it's 10 or 20$ a gram then old Frathouse-Fred snorts the whole thing. There's tons of douches out there who wouldn't and do not respect drugs. We get a little taste of freedom and the idiots going overboard kill it.

I agree with this 100 percent.  Fuckin Frathouse Fred fuckin it up for everyone!
Title: Re: Interest Check: Phenmetrazine(Preludin) and 4-Methylaminorex(U4Ea, 4-mar)
Post by: sniper123 on September 21, 2012, 08:51 pm
Personally, I think the price should be quite high, So people respect it. God forbid, in a worst case scenario where Chinese chemists start banging out knock off batches of phenmetrazine themselves and since it's 10 or 20$ a gram then old Frathouse-Fred snorts the whole thing. There's tons of douches out there who wouldn't and do not respect drugs. We get a little taste of freedom and the idiots going overboard kill it.

Raise the prices and weed out the ones who're just buying it because it's the cheapest stimulant. I know there's no system in place like the one I'm describing but if only there was a way that those who would appreciate it fully and use responsibly have access. Tor is already a decent step in that direction, but there's still enough plebian mouth breathers around who got here following articles on "the most dangerous drug website EVA - here's how to access in 10 easy steps" - you can have it going by the time the ads for coro street are done.

The vendor could always be selective of who they sell to. I've never placed an order with a vendor that i haven't spoken with. I understand paiyng higher prices for good quality on the other hand. I like your idea of a way to regulate substances, but there are other ways to achieve those results. Also, just because something is expensive doesn't mean that'll keep it out of the hands of people who don't respect it.
Title: Re: Interest Check: Phenmetrazine(Preludin) and 4-Methylaminorex(U4Ea, 4-mar)
Post by: ksoze on September 26, 2012, 07:04 am
Count me as someone interested in 4-MAR or phenmetrazine (especially 4-MAR).  Looking forward to its release!
Title: Re: Interest Check: Phenmetrazine(Preludin) and 4-Methylaminorex(U4Ea, 4-mar)
Post by: Methadonia on September 26, 2012, 09:47 am
I realise that making it expensive won't keep it out the hands of those who wouldn't respect the substance, but it'd make them think twice when dosing if it was similar priced to cocaine or heroin on here.
Title: Re: Interest Check: Phenmetrazine(Preludin) and 4-Methylaminorex(U4Ea, 4-mar)
Post by: Pueblo on November 10, 2012, 06:16 pm
Are you still synthesizing, chapman?