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Title: Under the assumption SR and SoS aren't exclusive...
Post by: pmL5sojn on June 28, 2012, 01:25 am
Hey all,

I'd like a SoS referral. Under the assumption SR and SoS aren't exclusive, could someone PM me a message? I'd like to give some feedback for a couple sites.

Thanks  8)
Title: Re: Under the assumption SR and SoS aren't exclusive...
Post by: war on June 28, 2012, 02:07 am
Hmm, I would also be interested... is posting here bad?  I am a vendor and like to think I am reputable... anyone... anyone?   ;)
Title: Re: Under the assumption SR and SoS aren't exclusive...
Post by: Limetless on June 28, 2012, 02:07 am
What is SOS?
Title: Re: Under the assumption SR and SoS aren't exclusive...
Post by: wretched on June 28, 2012, 02:12 am
What is SOS?

really lim? safeorscam.com

I have an invite for Mr. 1 post. I'm not gonna bother with a PM though, so use it before someone beats you to it.

use it quick
getyourheadoutofyourass
Title: Re: Under the assumption SR and SoS aren't exclusive...
Post by: Limetless on June 28, 2012, 02:16 am
safeorscam.com is a review database for all sorts of vendors. try searching for something innocent like newegg.com, then try out something like frankieman30@live.nl.

i only posted frankie's address because everybody and their mother knows about him already, and he's been apprehended anyway.

Clearweb = Fuck that. If it's got a clearweb URL and it's drug related I wont go near it.
Title: Re: Under the assumption SR and SoS aren't exclusive...
Post by: Horizons on June 28, 2012, 02:18 am
i only posted frankie's address because everybody and their mother knows about him already, and he's been apprehended anyway.
For real? :( He's been gone since forever, but I didn't know he had been caught. What happened, what gave him away?
Title: Re: Under the assumption SR and SoS aren't exclusive...
Post by: Limetless on June 28, 2012, 02:28 am
the admins are trusted members of the private drug scene,

The fact that you have just said that and the website is clearnet says it all to me. Sounds like a fuckin recipe for success to me....not. If I was running a site like that and I wouldn't want anyone knowing I was in the private drug scene and I certainly wouldn't want it to be knowledge that was chucked around an illegal forum like this. Dumbest equation for success I've ever heard. Don't take this as me having a dig at you by the way Shan, I'm not at all :) . I just think that the idea of that being on the clearweb is stupid. Legally it's the same as painting a target round your arsehole and then writing "Insert Pork-Meat here" with an arrow pointing downwards.

And also to add on from your second post if people like that are being talked about on there and with that lax an attitude I wouldn't want myself being talked about on there. Fuuuuck that shit all day long.
Title: Re: Under the assumption SR and SoS aren't exclusive...
Post by: Limetless on June 28, 2012, 02:57 am
The fact that you have just said that and the website is clearnet says it all to me. Sounds like a fuckin recipe for success to me....not. If I was running a site like that and I wouldn't want anyone knowing I was in the private drug scene and I certainly wouldn't want it to be knowledge that was chucked around an illegal forum like this. Dumbest equation for success I've ever heard. Don't take this as me having a dig at you by the way Shan, I'm not at all :) . I just think that the idea of that being on the clearweb is stupid. Legally it's the same as painting a target round your arsehole and then writing "Insert Pork-Meat here" with an arrow pointing downwards.

And also to add on from your second post if people like that are being talked about on there and with that lax an attitude I wouldn't want myself being talked about on there. Fuuuuck that shit all day long.
meh nothing i've said isn't known by large numbers of people (even those outside of the illicits scene) or the feds already. i'm curious though why you think clearnet is inherently safer than location hidden services, in my experience it's the sites on hidden services which use the protection tor provides because their admins can't obtain good bulletproof hosting. i feel safer when i know a site is hosted on u2m.ru or something, rather than an unknown .onion host which may be located in a jurisdiction where the arm of the law can get to them. also there is no list of vendors on sos (well there is one but only one admin can see it). you have to already know the contact information for a vendor in order to look up their reviews.

Simply because visiting a site on TOR is safer than the the clearnet. And the yeah I guessed from how candid you were that it was well known, the definition of madness IMO.

And yeah I know, I had a quick look at it a min ago when ya posted the URL. It's the fact that it asks you to put emails and URLs in the search bar in the first place. I would shit a fucking BRICK if I found out anything to do with me was on there and contact the admin to have it removed. I'm also not a fan of the idea of the fact that accessing a site that is clearly widely known about by the law being on your net history because I'm pretty sure that not everyone who uses that site goes through TOR to do it.... Also I can't really be bothered to look myself but I'm guessing that those clearweb sites that sell RCs and stuff on and the clearweb forums are rated on there as well? If that's the case and they talk about how they use the drugs they buy from there and that then no fucking wonder all that shit happened recently. Just sounds like a fucking disaster waiting to happen to me.
Title: Re: Under the assumption SR and SoS aren't exclusive...
Post by: Limetless on June 28, 2012, 03:52 am
Lol I did hear about Tor from the media dude. :P I am not an IT-nut, never have been really. Money/Drugs are my area. :)

And yeah but how do you register the website URL anonymously? If you can do that GENUINELY anonymously and then host the site anonymously on the clearweb then fair do's I guess but I am rather skeptical of this. Although having said that if you can show me that ya can and explain it please go ahead and show me the light on this. :)

And yeah YOU do, I WOULD, I hope to Christ everyone on here would as well but the world is, undoubtedly, made up of retards as well as people with common sense. I wouldn't want fucking Google, Microsoft, or Apple if you use Safari or fuck it, any other Clearweb browser that you care to mention knowing that I'm checking out the best place to by my rave tipple, or even no doubt a kilo of whatever my favourite thing is to sell. You did give me that email and you said he was shottin 100s of keys of his main product every calender. Also why the barnacle bill would you allow someone who sells 100s of keys of whatever illegal shit it was to be on your clearnet site and be recommended to others to use? If they think that is legal they have another thing coming, that comes with about 5 different charges off the top of my head but there's probably more that can go on top if I checked it out. Madness.

And yeah that's the shit I was referring to. I never actually went to those forums or whatnot myself, just heard about that stuff on the threads on here about it. I saw the sheet that was done by the feds on whoever this "w00t" character was and I'm sorry but that man sounds like he could be the life-form with the lowest possible intelligence on the fuckin planet. He was talking about washing money and importing drugs....on Skype and he had a conversation on Skype with a fed. If anyone asked to talk to me on Skype they would get a royal (yeah...this is so bad I'm bringing Liz into this) FUCK RIGHT OFF. I don't even talk to the people I work with on Skype. Only people I talk to on Skype are my legit clients, my broker, my friends and my dear old Mam. They aren't even canaries in the coal mine, they are just sheep and they are sheep that are probably just better off being shot because "It would be the kindest thing to do".

And yeah I see the positive side of having SOS, I think the principle of it is a good idea. I just think that having it on the clearnet is complete folly along with any forums where recreational drugs can be sold tbh.
Title: Re: Under the assumption SR and SoS aren't exclusive...
Post by: Limetless on June 28, 2012, 03:53 am
Also mate .ru sites ain't that fuckin safe lol. CRDSU was a .ru site (I used to go on it) and that got shot down.
Title: Re: Under the assumption SR and SoS aren't exclusive...
Post by: wretched on June 28, 2012, 03:56 am
And yeah I see the positive side of having SOS, I think the principle of it is a good idea. I just think that having it on the clearnet is complete folly along with any forums where recreational drugs can be sold tbh.

I am no wizard on coding, and probably couldn't build a site like SoS to save my life, but I have a FH invite if someone could (I know FH isn't ideal, but it's free, and it is on Tor)
Title: Re: Under the assumption SR and SoS aren't exclusive...
Post by: Limetless on June 28, 2012, 03:58 am
And yeah I see the positive side of having SOS, I think the principle of it is a good idea. I just think that having it on the clearnet is complete folly along with any forums where recreational drugs can be sold tbh.

I am no wizard on coding, and probably couldn't build a site like SoS to save my life, but I have a FH invite if someone could (I know FH isn't ideal, but it's free, and it is on Tor)

What's FH?
Title: Re: Under the assumption SR and SoS aren't exclusive...
Post by: wretched on June 28, 2012, 04:03 am
sometimes I think your fucking with me Limitless.....FH=Freedom Hosting. I signed up long ago to have an onion site to store keys, urls, pecunix account info, and have since stopped using it, but I get an invite code every month. I play around with some of them, give some out to others, and if someone could set up something like SoS (where vendors aren't listed, but rather searched) I would donate an invite for that project.
Title: Re: Under the assumption SR and SoS aren't exclusive...
Post by: Limetless on June 28, 2012, 04:54 am
sometimes I think your fucking with me Limitless.....FH=Freedom Hosting. I signed up long ago to have an onion site to store keys, urls, pecunix account info, and have since stopped using it, but I get an invite code every month. I play around with some of them, give some out to others, and if someone could set up something like SoS (where vendors aren't listed, but rather searched) I would donate an invite for that project.

Nah man I am not that up on internet stuff, it's not really my area. :)

And Shan if you can do it like that then fair enough I guess. I suppose that's how people that host CP sites and stuff do it?

And yeah I know but it's still the fact they could and it's on a clearnet site. It's just not something I would feel comfortable with personally.

Are you sure about that plonker getting snitched on? I read that big file written by the DEA (or FBI, can't remember which) and I'm sure it read that an agent actually spoke to him on Skype but they flipped some other guy as well as that.

And LOL that link is funny as fuck. Fair enough, I never realized they were that blatant. Them Ruskies got some fuckin balls on them ain't they.

See this is what I link about SR, learn new shit every day on here. :) I take your points on this SOS thing but personally I still wouldn't want my email up there. It'd give me the shivers.
Title: Re: Under the assumption SR and SoS aren't exclusive...
Post by: Limetless on June 28, 2012, 05:42 am
Are you sure about that plonker getting snitched on? I read that big file written by the DEA (or FBI, can't remember which) and I'm sure it read that an agent actually spoke to him on Skype but they flipped some other guy as well as that.
mrmike wasn't turned, he sought out the feds and started snitching willingly. he consented to having his chats, phone calls, and skype calls recorded by homeland security. w00t, mrmike, and the owner of jsabgl.com were on a recorded skype chat discussing importing birdies of some research chemicals. w00t then sent a cim pack with tracking to mrmike for him to send to jsabgl. mrmike turned the tracking number over to the feds, the pack was intercepted and the money seized, and w00t was arrested on conspiracy charges. homeland security did nothing except listen to some wiretaps and pick up the pack from the post office.

Ah ok, makes a bit more sense now. That's fucked up though why did he go to the Feds at all? He deserves a fucking axe in his head for that dirty deed, in front of his loved ones on top of it. I mean if he wasn't flipped then he wasn't even being threatened with jail time (which is no excuse of course but is obviously why most people flip) then it was just in pure spite. Who the fuck does that? Sick bastard. I'm guessing you are on those forums then Shan as you seem to know about it. Did this w00t fella flip on other people? I only ever read the threads on here and nobody ever said much after that. I didn't go and visit the sites, seemed along the lines of dippin ya nob in a jar of AIDs.
Title: Re: Under the assumption SR and SoS aren't exclusive...
Post by: war on June 28, 2012, 05:49 am
Are you sure about that plonker getting snitched on? I read that big file written by the DEA (or FBI, can't remember which) and I'm sure it read that an agent actually spoke to him on Skype but they flipped some other guy as well as that.
mrmike wasn't turned, he sought out the feds and started snitching willingly. he consented to having his chats, phone calls, and skype calls recorded by homeland security. w00t, mrmike, and the owner of jsabgl.com were on a recorded skype chat discussing importing birdies of some research chemicals. w00t then sent a cim pack with tracking to mrmike for him to send to jsabgl. mrmike turned the tracking number over to the feds, the pack was intercepted and the money seized, and w00t was arrested on conspiracy charges. homeland security did nothing except listen to some wiretaps and pick up the pack from the post office.


This is the most fucked up thing ever, why the FUCK would anyone EVER do this willingly... 
Title: Re: Under the assumption SR and SoS aren't exclusive...
Post by: Limetless on June 28, 2012, 06:18 am
Are you sure about that plonker getting snitched on? I read that big file written by the DEA (or FBI, can't remember which) and I'm sure it read that an agent actually spoke to him on Skype but they flipped some other guy as well as that.
mrmike wasn't turned, he sought out the feds and started snitching willingly. he consented to having his chats, phone calls, and skype calls recorded by homeland security. w00t, mrmike, and the owner of jsabgl.com were on a recorded skype chat discussing importing birdies of some research chemicals. w00t then sent a cim pack with tracking to mrmike for him to send to jsabgl. mrmike turned the tracking number over to the feds, the pack was intercepted and the money seized, and w00t was arrested on conspiracy charges. homeland security did nothing except listen to some wiretaps and pick up the pack from the post office.


This is the most fucked up thing ever, why the FUCK would anyone EVER do this willingly...

The only reason would be spite, this w00t plonker probably took liberties with this Mike kid in some way and the kid thought I'll fuck you right back. It is kinda fucked in a way though because surely if this Mike kid was his business partner then he just shagged his source of income. Clearly this Mike kid isn't just a snitch, he's a stupid snitch as well lol. Was Mike a member of the staff on that AK sit too?

From what ya said they sound a bit fruity. I sell RCs but only the ones I can get rid of in the U.K IRL, not bothered about all these fruity analogues, they just sound like an accident waiting to happen. I'm ditchin them and just gunna do Meph and Ket soon. :)
Title: Re: Under the assumption SR and SoS aren't exclusive...
Post by: war on June 28, 2012, 06:35 am
That's fucked up though why did he go to the Feds at all? He deserves a fucking axe in his head for that dirty deed, in front of his loved ones on top of it. I mean if he wasn't flipped then he wasn't even being threatened with jail time (which is no excuse of course but is obviously why most people flip) then it was just in pure spite.
i have no idea, the affidavit homeland security submitted to get an arrest warrant went so far as to point out that mrmike was not a criminal.

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I'm guessing you are on those forums then Shan as you seem to know about it. Did this w00t fella flip on other people?
nah i'm not involved in rc scene. honestly i think they're kinda weird folks, stuffing random analogs of harmful chemicals up their noses to stay awake and... try to get more chemicals. :/ i do try to keep up on open source intelligence relating to investigations about drug trafficking, carding, cp, a little bit of everything since it's always good to know how the enemy operates.

about w00t, he's currently sitting in jail after having his bail remanded. his trial is set for september 18th. the only people that would know if w00t's snitching are him, his lawyers, and the feds.

Pretty cool that you have all this information, thanks for sharing... +1
Title: Re: Under the assumption SR and SoS aren't exclusive...
Post by: Limetless on June 28, 2012, 06:39 am
Yeah +1. It makes for a quite interesting yarn to see idiots get fucked over. Still can't quite get my head around the fact they use Skype to actually talk properly, I assumed it was just Skype IM before. Get's worse and worse lol. Balls up from the word go or what!?
Title: Re: Under the assumption SR and SoS aren't exclusive...
Post by: Limetless on June 28, 2012, 07:02 am
i don't really blame them, they do after all operate under the delusion that the chemicals they trade in are legal. wouldn't you take steps to appear legitimate and conduct business openly if you had that line of thinking?

Lol since when was discussing laundering money legal? I know I am in the U.K but as ML is my area I can say with a fairly high level of certainty that discussing laundering money and then forming a conspiracy to do it is rings the illegal bell pretty fucking hard in the U.S as well as the U.K lol.

Also Shan, if they even need to discuss laundering money they know damn well that doing that shit is illegal. If things aren't illegal then you don't have to wash money. Simple as that. What they are trying to do is have their fucking cake and eat it lol. And we all know what happens when you eat too much cake, you have a heart attack and die lol. Which, is exactly what happened with this lol.
Title: Re: Under the assumption SR and SoS aren't exclusive...
Post by: war on June 28, 2012, 09:15 pm
you misunderstood me, i was talking about selling rcs. if you sold only novel rcs and not illicits, and thought that the rcs you were selling were completely legal as long as you put a "not for human consumption" sticker on it, wouldn't you want to operate in the open, and not use annoying things like gpg? wouldn't you probably register a corporation, have a nice website, and pay taxes? :)

I know thats what Foxy is trying hard to do... makes a lot of sense.  I'm not nuts about the "not for human consumption" stamp though, seems like if I worked at the PO that would REALLY make me want to look inside
Title: Re: Under the assumption SR and SoS aren't exclusive...
Post by: Limetless on June 28, 2012, 09:25 pm
you misunderstood me, i was talking about selling rcs. if you sold only novel rcs and not illicits, and thought that the rcs you were selling were completely legal as long as you put a "not for human consumption" sticker on it, wouldn't you want to operate in the open, and not use annoying things like gpg? wouldn't you probably register a corporation, have a nice website, and pay taxes? :)

Lol no I wouldn't because I think even if it's "Grey-Area" then it's a completely ridiculous IMO. Looking at what happened to those forums says it all.
Title: Re: Under the assumption SR and SoS aren't exclusive...
Post by: Horizons on June 29, 2012, 12:14 am
you misunderstood me, i was talking about selling rcs. if you sold only novel rcs and not illicits, and thought that the rcs you were selling were completely legal as long as you put a "not for human consumption" sticker on it, wouldn't you want to operate in the open, and not use annoying things like gpg? wouldn't you probably register a corporation, have a nice website, and pay taxes? :)

Not a chance in hell.
Title: Re: Under the assumption SR and SoS aren't exclusive...
Post by: Limetless on June 29, 2012, 12:19 am
you misunderstood me, i was talking about selling rcs. if you sold only novel rcs and not illicits, and thought that the rcs you were selling were completely legal as long as you put a "not for human consumption" sticker on it, wouldn't you want to operate in the open, and not use annoying things like gpg? wouldn't you probably register a corporation, have a nice website, and pay taxes? :)

Not a chance in hell.

THIS!
Title: Re: Under the assumption SR and SoS aren't exclusive...
Post by: Limetless on June 29, 2012, 01:41 am
lol you guys are missing the point. sure YOU'RE smart enough to keep your dirt on the dl. but if somebody else has this delusion that they're fighting the man by trading in legal chemicals, they'll do it in the open, probably on a site with "research" in the url somewhere.

Oh right I see lol, well yeah of course if you are delusional then you will do anything. I feel bloody sorry for those who are deluded enough to think that that shit will fly though, I mean it will for a while but eventually anyone who wanders down that road will end up fucked.