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Discussion => Philosophy, Economics and Justice => Topic started by: SealTeam6 on June 09, 2013, 01:58 am

Title: Which Religion?
Post by: SealTeam6 on June 09, 2013, 01:58 am
Which religion do you all think has more truth in it and why?  I'm very curious to know this!
Title: Re: Which Religion?
Post by: DrChong on June 09, 2013, 11:09 am
All religions involve some sort of dogma or superstition and must be rejected as being counter to logic and reason. The best way of looking at the world is without using a religious filter.

If I had to choose a (major) religion, it would have to be Buddhism.
Title: Re: Which Religion?
Post by: varakann on June 09, 2013, 11:23 am
I must say Taoism and Zen Buddhism because for me these are true non-Religions, they offer a way out of the belief system that there is something or someone somewhere who knows better what you ought to do and how you should live your life and then punishes or rewards you accordingly.

All western religions (islam, christianity, judaism etc) have a God modeled on sumerian  philosopher kings who lived 4000  B.C. who were worshiped as gods and had god-like power. But they only offer you a way to be a good servant, which is not a bad thing per se but it also implies that there must be a king somewhere and these are often self-appointed and vicious creatures.

I do strongly believe that materialism (atheism) should be considered as a religion because it has all the same characteristics and vocabulary (the truth monopoly, scriptures, rituals, hatred towards the other religions) than so called classical religions. 

Nevertheless you should be able to construct your own religion based on your needs, but remember when a religion promises to give  you anything or satisfy your needs it is lying and manipulating with you and therefore should be avoided.
Title: Re: Which Religion?
Post by: SealTeam6 on June 10, 2013, 12:31 am
I must say Taoism and Zen Buddhism because for me these are true non-Religions, they offer a way out of the belief system that there is something or someone somewhere who knows better what you ought to do and how you should live your life and then punishes or rewards you accordingly.

All western religions (islam, christianity, judaism etc) have a God modeled on sumerian  philosopher kings who lived 4000  B.C. who were worshiped as gods and had god-like power. But they only offer you a way to be a good servant, which is not a bad thing per se but it also implies that there must be a king somewhere and these are often self-appointed and vicious creatures.

I do strongly believe that materialism (atheism) should be considered as a religion because it has all the same characteristics and vocabulary (the truth monopoly, scriptures, rituals, hatred towards the other religions) than so called classical religions. 

Nevertheless you should be able to construct your own religion based on your needs, but remember when a religion promises to give  you anything or satisfy your needs it is lying and manipulating with you and therefore should be avoided.

Very interesting classifying materialism and atheism as a religion, they are all isms.  I have done my best to stay away from all ism in my life, but it is very difficult these days  to do so.  I have achieved it, however I still get pulled back in at times by family who have yet to give up there isms.  +1 to you.
Title: Re: Which Religion?
Post by: soviet on June 10, 2013, 07:56 pm

I do strongly believe that materialism (atheism) should be considered as a religion because it has all the same characteristics and vocabulary (the truth monopoly, scriptures, rituals, hatred towards the other religions) than so called classical religions. 

What in the blue fuck are you talking about??? Firstly, materialism and atheism are two very different things. Secondly, atheism is the disbelief in the existence of a god or gods. That's ALL atheism is. There is no inherent scripture or rituals or truth monopoly or hatred. Saying atheism is a religion is like saying bald is a hair color. Seriously, how far up your ass did you have to reach to get this nonsense?
Title: Re: Which Religion?
Post by: abitpeckish on June 10, 2013, 09:02 pm
Pretty obviously Buddhism, but even it is saddled with centuries of prescientific unreason. Related link below.

(clearnet) http://www.samharris.org/site/full_text/killing-the-buddha/
Title: Re: Which Religion?
Post by: hoobydoobydoo on June 10, 2013, 09:16 pm

I do strongly believe that materialism (atheism) should be considered as a religion because it has all the same characteristics and vocabulary (the truth monopoly, scriptures, rituals, hatred towards the other religions) than so called classical religions. 

What in the blue fuck are you talking about??? Firstly, materialism and atheism are two very different things. Secondly, atheism is the disbelief in the existence of a god or gods. That's ALL atheism is. There is no inherent scripture or rituals or truth monopoly or hatred. Saying atheism is a religion is like saying bald is a hair color. Seriously, how far up your ass did you have to reach to get this nonsense?

+1.  While there are militant atheists out there who will continue to hog the majority of the attention paid to atheists, these people are no less representative of the atheistic philosophy than the doctor killing abortion activists represent the Christian religion - a fringe aberration.

I choose to be atheist because I think organized religion is ridiculous and encourages people to not care about life on earth.  Not because I value material possessions, but because I value life.
Title: Re: Which Religion?
Post by: TNY on June 10, 2013, 10:21 pm
Religion isnt physical or real or has any shred of evidence that there is a god or gods, regardless of how many million sheeple support or believe in a certain man in the sky doesnt make "said god" more factual, So infact they are all equally bullshit, simple things such as history books, archaeology, culture, ancient myths and legends, that equate to the reality or religion, even show us this, like it or not. Faith itself is nothing but the ignorant ammo theists use then, "god works in mysterious ways", "he gives us free will" etc, those arent answers to a logical inteligent thinking person limited by their beief in fantasy.

On the other hand you have science, evolution, biological studies which incorporate historical fact to prove it

Religion should be a non issue in todays word, its primitive and there's no justification for anone whos not been locked in a room or lives in a cave with no access to even general information 24/7 to believe in such madness.

Rant Over,
Hail Odin! cough......
Title: Re: Which Religion?
Post by: SealTeam6 on June 10, 2013, 10:52 pm
Religion isnt physical or real or has any shred of evidence that there is a god or gods, regardless of how many million sheeple support or believe in a certain man in the sky doesnt make "said god" more factual, So infact they are all equally bullshit, simple things such as history books, archaeology, culture, ancient myths and legends, that equate to the reality or religion, even show us this, like it or not. Faith itself is nothing but the ignorant ammo theists use then, "god works in mysterious ways", "he gives us free will" etc, those arent answers to a logical inteligent thinking person limited by their beief in fantasy.

On the other hand you have science, evolution, biological studies which incorporate historical fact to prove it

Religion should be a non issue in todays word, its primitive and there's no justification for anone whos not been locked in a room or lives in a cave with no access to even general information 24/7 to believe in such madness.

Rant Over,
Hail Odin! cough......

You have not propounded any new facts yourself!

The world has turned it's back on God already, perhaps its time to turn back around!
Title: Re: Which Religion?
Post by: hoobydoobydoo on June 10, 2013, 11:14 pm
The world has turned it's back on God already, perhaps its time to turn back around!

Which way do you turn to face something which doesn't exist?

DMT?   ;D
Title: Re: Which Religion?
Post by: SealTeam6 on June 10, 2013, 11:34 pm
The world has turned it's back on God already, perhaps its time to turn back around!

Which way do you turn to face something which doesn't exist?

DMT?   ;D

You seem to forget that DMT is already inside your body.  Turn to that!
Title: Re: Which Religion?
Post by: hoobydoobydoo on June 10, 2013, 11:45 pm
You seem to forget that DMT is already inside your body.  Turn to that!

Ha good point!

Actually you just reminded me of something I saw on a show recently.

Series called Through the Wormhole with host Morgan Freeman.  The very first episode is called "Is there a creator?"  ...

At a little after the 21 minute mark they interview this scientist that created a helmet which uses electromagnetic force to affect a specific part of the brain.  People who wear this helmet are convinced that someone is watching over them.  They use this to explain how easily it would have been for humans throughout history with an interesting chemical makeup in the brain which would affect this particular area to actually believe they were experiencing the various things discussed in religious texts.

I found this part to be quite interesting and recommend watching if you have a few minutes.  My explanation probably doesnt do it justice.
Title: Re: Which Religion?
Post by: PuretyAboveAll on June 11, 2013, 12:53 am
Religion was an ok first attempt to try and explain the world around us. But we have moved on since then... Well some have.
Title: Re: Which Religion?
Post by: SealTeam6 on June 11, 2013, 01:34 pm
You seem to forget that DMT is already inside your body.  Turn to that!

Ha good point!

Actually you just reminded me of something I saw on a show recently.

Series called Through the Wormhole with host Morgan Freeman.  The very first episode is called "Is there a creator?"  ...

At a little after the 21 minute mark they interview this scientist that created a helmet which uses electromagnetic force to affect a specific part of the brain.  People who wear this helmet are convinced that someone is watching over them.  They use this to explain how easily it would have been for humans throughout history with an interesting chemical makeup in the brain which would affect this particular area to actually believe they were experiencing the various things discussed in religious texts.

I found this part to be quite interesting and recommend watching if you have a few minutes.  My explanation probably doesnt do it justice.

I understand what you are saying.  Does it not strike you as interesting that we have this "sense"(that's what I think it is, I like to add common to it) inside every human being.  How can people turn to science to explain life but neglect that our own scientific make up screams to the fact that we are a creation?
Title: Re: Which Religion?
Post by: hoobydoobydoo on June 11, 2013, 03:30 pm
I understand what you are saying.  Does it not strike you as interesting that we have this "sense"(that's what I think it is, I like to add common to it) inside every human being.  How can people turn to science to explain life but neglect that our own scientific make up screams to the fact that we are a creation?

Because people like me don't think this scientific makeup screams that we are a creation - it just shows evidence for why everyone seems to think we are.  There is nothing in science that logically extrapolates to us being a creation.

The common argument that is so often used (and the one I think you are alluding to) is that life is so complex that it could not have happened by chance, therefore there must be a creator.  But this not a logical argument.  You can't argue that something being complex means it was created by something even more complex.  This is circular logic and it never ends.  Of course believers will say it ends with God, thinking they have made some profound statement.  But that is not an argument and has nothing to do with science or logic.
Title: Re: Which Religion?
Post by: soviet on June 11, 2013, 03:55 pm
You seem to forget that DMT is already inside your body.  Turn to that!

Ha good point!

Actually you just reminded me of something I saw on a show recently.

Series called Through the Wormhole with host Morgan Freeman.  The very first episode is called "Is there a creator?"  ...

At a little after the 21 minute mark they interview this scientist that created a helmet which uses electromagnetic force to affect a specific part of the brain.  People who wear this helmet are convinced that someone is watching over them.  They use this to explain how easily it would have been for humans throughout history with an interesting chemical makeup in the brain which would affect this particular area to actually believe they were experiencing the various things discussed in religious texts.

I found this part to be quite interesting and recommend watching if you have a few minutes.  My explanation probably doesnt do it justice.

I understand what you are saying.  Does it not strike you as interesting that we have this "sense"(that's what I think it is, I like to add common to it) inside every human being.  How can people turn to science to explain life but neglect that our own scientific make up screams to the fact that we are a creation?

No, our biological make-up screams "evolution by natural selection!". Does it not strike you as interesting that men have useless body parts like nipples and appendices? This is because evolution is a tinkerer, not an engineer.v Either your almighty creator is a fucking moron that gives people useless body parts, or humans evolved without any divine help.
Title: Re: Which Religion?
Post by: SOUTHPAW on June 12, 2013, 07:04 am
Which religion do you all think has more truth in it and why?  I'm very curious to know this!

Man this is a loaded question.  Truth being subjective to each individuals beliefs that were learned from their personal experiences, HUH?
I would have to say that the one that has the most truth would be the one that brings the most peace and love to that person and too those around them.  But IDK
Title: Re: Which Religion?
Post by: SealTeam6 on June 12, 2013, 06:29 pm
I understand what you are saying.  Does it not strike you as interesting that we have this "sense"(that's what I think it is, I like to add common to it) inside every human being.  How can people turn to science to explain life but neglect that our own scientific make up screams to the fact that we are a creation?

Because people like me don't think this scientific makeup screams that we are a creation - it just shows evidence for why everyone seems to think we are.  There is nothing in science that logically extrapolates to us being a creation.

The common argument that is so often used (and the one I think you are alluding to) is that life is so complex that it could not have happened by chance, therefore there must be a creator.  But this not a logical argument.  You can't argue that something being complex means it was created by something even more complex.  This is circular logic and it never ends.  Of course believers will say it ends with God, thinking they have made some profound statement.  But that is not an argument and has nothing to do with science or logic.

You got me misunderstood.  I am arguing for science and God.  I think people have God misunderstood.  I am still learning about God everyday myself!  I overstand God has the ultimate force.  This does not mean a man in the sky.  This means that God is life itself, and wherever life came from, that initial "bang" if you would, is God!  I hope you overstand what I am saying, it is very confusing I know!
Title: Re: Which Religion?
Post by: SealTeam6 on June 12, 2013, 06:32 pm
You seem to forget that DMT is already inside your body.  Turn to that!

Ha good point!

Actually you just reminded me of something I saw on a show recently.

Series called Through the Wormhole with host Morgan Freeman.  The very first episode is called "Is there a creator?"  ...

At a little after the 21 minute mark they interview this scientist that created a helmet which uses electromagnetic force to affect a specific part of the brain.  People who wear this helmet are convinced that someone is watching over them.  They use this to explain how easily it would have been for humans throughout history with an interesting chemical makeup in the brain which would affect this particular area to actually believe they were experiencing the various things discussed in religious texts.

I found this part to be quite interesting and recommend watching if you have a few minutes.  My explanation probably doesnt do it justice.

I understand what you are saying.  Does it not strike you as interesting that we have this "sense"(that's what I think it is, I like to add common to it) inside every human being.  How can people turn to science to explain life but neglect that our own scientific make up screams to the fact that we are a creation?

No, our biological make-up screams "evolution by natural selection!". Does it not strike you as interesting that men have useless body parts like nipples and appendices? This is because evolution is a tinkerer, not an engineer.v Either your almighty creator is a fucking moron that gives people useless body parts, or humans evolved without any divine help.

Evolution is God.  Everything is God.  There is no way around that.  God, whatever he/she/it is, created life in such a way that it can only keep getting better.  Life is like a super computer that keeps getting more and more information and can fix itself!
Title: Re: Which Religion?
Post by: SealTeam6 on June 12, 2013, 06:36 pm
Which religion do you all think has more truth in it and why?  I'm very curious to know this!

Man this is a loaded question.  Truth being subjective to each individuals beliefs that were learned from their personal experiences, HUH?
I would have to say that the one that has the most truth would be the one that brings the most peace and love to that person and too those around them.  But IDK

I like your answer, I think this is religion in its pure sense.  A way of life that "truly" brings the individual involved peace inside their very being!  Life is my religion.  I fucking love it!
Title: Re: Which Religion?
Post by: hoobydoobydoo on June 12, 2013, 07:14 pm
You got me misunderstood.  I am arguing for science and God.  I think people have God misunderstood.  I am still learning about God everyday myself!  I overstand God has the ultimate force.  This does not mean a man in the sky.  This means that God is life itself, and wherever life came from, that initial "bang" if you would, is God!  I hope you overstand what I am saying, it is very confusing I know!

It is confusing because it is nonsense.

I hate using this approach but let's replace the word God in your sentence with Flying Spaghetti Monster...

Quote
I overstand The Flying Spaghetti Monster has the ultimate force.  This does not mean a man in the sky.  This means that The Flying Spaghetti Monster is life itself, and wherever life came from, that initial "bang" if you would, is The Flying Spaghetti Monster!  I hope you overstand what I am saying, it is very confusing I know!

You cannot define something by saying it is everywhere and then say that because everything exists that is proof that this thing exists.  Again, circular logic, the greatest crutch of the believer.
Title: Re: Which Religion?
Post by: This Is Serious Mum on June 12, 2013, 07:46 pm

Putting aside theological considerations for the moment,  I'd consider looking past TheReligionofPeace.com and look toward Pantheism.

Application of universal laws encapsulated in a structural but fluid belief system.

Perhaps something worthy of your consideration!
Title: Re: Which Religion?
Post by: SandStorm on June 12, 2013, 10:08 pm
Pastafarianism, because of string-theory.
Title: Re: Which Religion?
Post by: SealTeam6 on June 12, 2013, 10:12 pm
You got me misunderstood.  I am arguing for science and God.  I think people have God misunderstood.  I am still learning about God everyday myself!  I overstand God has the ultimate force.  This does not mean a man in the sky.  This means that God is life itself, and wherever life came from, that initial "bang" if you would, is God!  I hope you overstand what I am saying, it is very confusing I know!

It is confusing because it is nonsense.

I hate using this approach but let's replace the word God in your sentence with Flying Spaghetti Monster...

Quote
I overstand The Flying Spaghetti Monster has the ultimate force.  This does not mean a man in the sky.  This means that The Flying Spaghetti Monster is life itself, and wherever life came from, that initial "bang" if you would, is The Flying Spaghetti Monster!  I hope you overstand what I am saying, it is very confusing I know!

You cannot define something by saying it is everywhere and then say that because everything exists that is proof that this thing exists.  Again, circular logic, the greatest crutch of the believer.

This is why few figure it out, because it seems like nonsense!  The purely logical ones don't understand believers in God and believers in God don't understand the purely logical one.

Put it together you have peace, life, God!
Title: Re: Which Religion?
Post by: hoobydoobydoo on June 12, 2013, 10:48 pm
This is why few figure it out, because it seems like nonsense!  The purely logical ones don't understand believers in God and believers in God don't understand the purely logical one.

Put it together you have peace, life, God!

And Pasta!
Title: Re: Which Religion?
Post by: SealTeam6 on June 13, 2013, 11:20 pm
You got me misunderstood.  I am arguing for science and God.  I think people have God misunderstood.  I am still learning about God everyday myself!  I overstand God has the ultimate force.  This does not mean a man in the sky.  This means that God is life itself, and wherever life came from, that initial "bang" if you would, is God!  I hope you overstand what I am saying, it is very confusing I know!

It is confusing because it is nonsense.

I hate using this approach but let's replace the word God in your sentence with Flying Spaghetti Monster...

Quote
I overstand The Flying Spaghetti Monster has the ultimate force.  This does not mean a man in the sky.  This means that The Flying Spaghetti Monster is life itself, and wherever life came from, that initial "bang" if you would, is The Flying Spaghetti Monster!  I hope you overstand what I am saying, it is very confusing I know!

You cannot define something by saying it is everywhere and then say that because everything exists that is proof that this thing exists.  Again, circular logic, the greatest crutch of the believer.

Incorrect, I use my sense to come to these conclusions, so it could never be "non sense".

A circle is life, so if I am using circular logic, I am using life itself.  You don't seem to understand how life really works.  Everything is circular, check our Karma if you don't believe me!
Title: Re: Which Religion?
Post by: hoobydoobydoo on June 14, 2013, 01:51 am
A circle is life

Water is Air.

Metal is Dirt.

Circles are Squares.

God is Shit.

Let's continue making a bunch of false statements and then debate about which is more false.

Is this what you are trying to do?
Title: Re: Which Religion?
Post by: SealTeam6 on June 14, 2013, 02:05 am
A circle is life

Water is Air.

Metal is Dirt.

Circles are Squares.

God is Shit.

Let's continue making a bunch of false statements and then debate about which is more false.

Is this what you are trying to do?

That's your opinion.  Clearly I am saying something that strikes a nerve, you keep commenting in my thread!
Title: Re: Which Religion?
Post by: hoobydoobydoo on June 14, 2013, 02:15 am
That's your opinion.  Clearly I am saying something that strikes a nerve, you keep commenting in my thread!

I keep commenting because I am bored and trying to reach 500 posts so I can be a Hero member.

You keep responding with a bunch of random assertions that make no sense.

It occurred to me that I might as well follow suit.

If God is everything then God is Shit right? 
Title: Re: Which Religion?
Post by: hoobydoobydoo on June 14, 2013, 02:18 am
God is also Hitler?
Title: Re: Which Religion?
Post by: SealTeam6 on June 14, 2013, 02:30 am
That's your opinion.  Clearly I am saying something that strikes a nerve, you keep commenting in my thread!

I keep commenting because I am bored and trying to reach 500 posts so I can be a Hero member.

You keep responding with a bunch of random assertions that make no sense.

It occurred to me that I might as well follow suit.

If God is everything then God is Shit right?

Yes you are exactly right.  Shit serves a purpose, it is waste that is born from nutrients.  Example, I am providing nutritious mental food, and you are shitting out the waste!
Title: Re: Which Religion?
Post by: aussiepp on June 14, 2013, 02:32 am
Buddhism.
Title: Re: Which Religion?
Post by: SealTeam6 on June 14, 2013, 02:34 am
Buddhism.

lol and why?
Title: Re: Which Religion?
Post by: hoobydoobydoo on June 14, 2013, 03:42 am
Yes you are exactly right.  Shit serves a purpose, it is waste that is born from nutrients.  Example, I am providing nutritious mental food, and you are shitting out the waste!

I love a good God Shit.  Makes me feel so cleansed.
Title: Re: Which Religion?
Post by: SealTeam6 on June 14, 2013, 03:45 am
Yes you are exactly right.  Shit serves a purpose, it is waste that is born from nutrients.  Example, I am providing nutritious mental food, and you are shitting out the waste!

I love a good God Shit.  Makes me feel so cleansed.

Cleanliness is next to Godliness!
Title: Re: Which Religion?
Post by: hoobydoobydoo on June 14, 2013, 03:49 am
Cleanliness is next to Godliness!

Emptiness is Loneliness
And loneliness is Cleanliness
And Cleanliness is Godliness.
And God is Empty

Just like mmmmmeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Despite all my rage I am still just a rat in cage.,.....
Title: Re: Which Religion?
Post by: SealTeam6 on June 14, 2013, 03:53 am
Cleanliness is next to Godliness!

Emptiness is Loneliness
And loneliness is Cleanliness
And Cleanliness is Godliness.
And God is Empty

Just like mmmmmeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Despite all my rage I am still just a rat in cage.,.....

God is the scientist with the key to ur cage!
Title: Re: Which Religion?
Post by: hoobydoobydoo on June 14, 2013, 03:55 am
Cleanliness is next to Godliness!

Emptiness is Loneliness
And loneliness is Cleanliness
And Cleanliness is Godliness.
And God is Empty

Just like mmmmmeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Despite all my rage I am still just a rat in cage.,.....

God is the scientist with the key to ur cage!

Dammit I thought it was Billy Corgan all along.

But I guess God is Billy Corgan too right?
Title: Re: Which Religion?
Post by: SealTeam6 on June 14, 2013, 04:02 am
Who is that?
Title: Re: Which Religion?
Post by: hoobydoobydoo on June 14, 2013, 05:13 am
Who is that?

He is God.  Just like everyone else.

Also he's the original rat in a cage.
Title: Re: Which Religion?
Post by: SandStorm on June 14, 2013, 12:07 pm
A circle is life, so if I am using circular logic, I am using life itself.  You don't seem to understand how life really works.  Everything is circular, check our Karma if you don't believe me!

Lol, what a priceless comment :)
Title: Re: Which Religion?
Post by: SandStorm on June 14, 2013, 12:36 pm
Evolution is God.  Everything is God.  There is no way around that. 
God, whatever he/she/it is,

As I see it, these two quotes conflict each other. In the first quote you claim that evolution is god and that everything is god, the next one gives the impression you don't know what god is. If you don't know what god is how can you claim that everything and evolution is god?
I you want to talk about evolution and/or everything, why not just call it everything and evolution? I will think this will cause a lot less confusion than calling it god.

The world has turned it's back on God already, perhaps its time to turn back around!

How have we turned our back on evolution and everything, is that even possible?
Or if it is the case that you don't know what god is, how can you know the world has turned its back to it?
Title: Re: Which Religion?
Post by: PerPETualMOtion on June 14, 2013, 01:31 pm
LSD and psilocin have more truth than any religion written by man. That being said, my take on religion is that you should read through a little bit of every religion. Pick the most moving scriptures, and go from there. Religion is a personal spiritual journey. It cannot be determined by strangers, but from your own life experiences and what moves your heart.

Good Luck.
Title: Re: Which Religion?
Post by: SealTeam6 on June 14, 2013, 01:35 pm
Who is that?

He is God.  Just like everyone else.

Also he's the original rat in a cage.

Hmmm sounds like you are starting to get it!
Title: Re: Which Religion?
Post by: SealTeam6 on June 14, 2013, 01:38 pm
Evolution is God.  Everything is God.  There is no way around that. 
God, whatever he/she/it is,

As I see it, these two quotes conflict each other. In the first quote you claim that evolution is god and that everything is god, the next one gives the impression you don't know what god is. If you don't know what god is how can you claim that everything and evolution is god?
I you want to talk about evolution and/or everything, why not just call it everything and evolution? I will think this will cause a lot less confusion than calling it god.

The world has turned it's back on God already, perhaps its time to turn back around!

How have we turned our back on evolution and everything, is that even possible?
Or if it is the case that you don't know what god is, how can you know the world has turned its back to it?

It's suppose to conflict.  God is everything my friend.  God is the good.  God is the bad.  God is the conflict and God is the answer!
Title: Re: Which Religion?
Post by: SealTeam6 on June 14, 2013, 01:39 pm
Evolution is God.  Everything is God.  There is no way around that. 
God, whatever he/she/it is,

As I see it, these two quotes conflict each other. In the first quote you claim that evolution is god and that everything is god, the next one gives the impression you don't know what god is. If you don't know what god is how can you claim that everything and evolution is god?
I you want to talk about evolution and/or everything, why not just call it everything and evolution? I will think this will cause a lot less confusion than calling it god.

The world has turned it's back on God already, perhaps its time to turn back around!

How have we turned our back on evolution and everything, is that even possible?
Or if it is the case that you don't know what god is, how can you know the world has turned its back to it?

A rose by any other name is still a rose!
Title: Re: Which Religion?
Post by: SealTeam6 on June 14, 2013, 01:43 pm
LSD and psilocin have more truth than any religion written by man. That being said, my take on religion is that you should read through a little bit of every religion. Pick the most moving scriptures, and go from there. Religion is a personal spiritual journey. It cannot be determined by strangers, but from your own life experiences and what moves your heart.

Good Luck.

Amen to this.  I have studied religion and continue to study it.  I think a lot of people look at religion and expect it to be perfect.  No religion I have ever encountered is perfect, but I have retained perfect ideas from all of them.

It is a journey and it is wonderful and it is personal.  I am just doing my best to share my ideas, take it or leave it, I know that everyone will be ok either way!
Title: Re: Which Religion?
Post by: SealTeam6 on June 14, 2013, 01:48 pm
Evolution is God.  Everything is God.  There is no way around that. 
God, whatever he/she/it is,

As I see it, these two quotes conflict each other. In the first quote you claim that evolution is god and that everything is god, the next one gives the impression you don't know what god is. If you don't know what god is how can you claim that everything and evolution is god?
I you want to talk about evolution and/or everything, why not just call it everything and evolution? I will think this will cause a lot less confusion than calling it god.

The world has turned it's back on God already, perhaps its time to turn back around!

How have we turned our back on evolution and everything, is that even possible?
Or if it is the case that you don't know what god is, how can you know the world has turned its back to it?

When did I say that I don't know what God is?  I think you have me confused.  If you are referring to my comment about "whatever he/she/it" then I will clear that up.  I was speaking to those who don't know what God is, trying to put it in broad lingo so those with no idea could overstand what I was saying.

but on the flip side, I could be completely wrong about all my ideas, I accept all possibilities.

The wise man knows that he knows nothing at all!
Title: Re: Which Religion?
Post by: SandStorm on June 14, 2013, 03:16 pm
A rose by any other name is still a rose!
This made no sense to me as an answer to my post. Is god a rose which goes under many different names and characters? There are several types of roses, so are there several types of gods?

It's suppose to conflict.  God is everything my friend.  God is the good.  God is the bad.  God is the conflict and God is the answer!
Why call everything god, why not just call it everything. And since the universe is almost 100% vacuum, would it be right to say that god is mainly nothing?

I think you have me confused. 

Yes indeed, I'm very confused. But fun to read anyways :)

If you are referring to my comment about "whatever he/she/it" then I will clear that up.  I was speaking to those who don't know what God is, trying to put it in broad lingo so those with no idea could overstand what I was saying.

I believe I'm one of those who don't know what god is. To understand what you are saying it would be better to be explained what god is instead of keeping lost to the knowledge of what god is. Do god have any required properties or/and characteristics? Or is it simply everything, what is so special about everything, things tend to get more fascinating the closer you look at it, if god is everything you can't take a close look since you have to look at everything at once to see god.
Title: Re: Which Religion?
Post by: SealTeam6 on June 14, 2013, 05:49 pm
God is everything, how much more explanation do u need sandstorm.  That is has simple as it gets!
Title: Re: Which Religion?
Post by: SandStorm on June 14, 2013, 06:44 pm
God is everything, how much more explanation do u need sandstorm.  That is has simple as it gets!
I kind of figured that out, but I was kind of hoping for a more exotic explanation to what god is. I don't believe in everything, so seems like I'm an atheist in regard to your god :P.
Title: Re: Which Religion?
Post by: Hungry ghost on June 14, 2013, 06:48 pm
Saying atheism is a religion is like saying bald is a hair color. Seriously, how far up your ass did you have to reach to get this nonsense?

Oh man that's goooooood!!! So tired of hearing that " well you atheists are just as much fundamentalists as the religious ones" bullshit.
Title: Re: Which Religion?
Post by: SealTeam6 on June 14, 2013, 06:56 pm
God is everything, how much more explanation do u need sandstorm.  That is has simple as it gets!
I kind of figured that out, but I was kind of hoping for a more exotic explanation to what god is. I don't believe in everything, so seems like I'm an atheist in regard to your god :P.

The beauty of this world is that you don't have to believe in "everything" or "anything" I say, but you gotta believe in something, otherwise you're dead.
Title: Re: Which Religion?
Post by: redalloverthelandguyhere on June 15, 2013, 05:14 pm
An agnostic would be the most sensible religion. That means you do not know if there is or is not a god.

I think we were created, some say we are an accident.

I think we all need something to believe in. Or someone.

We all need a code of sorts, a moral line.

Religion can be good for some people, but if you follow a book 100%, a book written by god knows who, thats were we get into lots of trouble.

But whoever, whatever, has created us, I say thanks!

 ;D
Title: Re: Which Religion?
Post by: varakann on June 16, 2013, 09:53 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpugMBQD2to In this lecture Alan Watts talks about the nature of religion, why is it useful, whom is it useful to and is there a way out of it. It think westerners are making big mistake when assuming that thinking there is no god liberates them from western religion/social structure. It doesn't, it's all in the game, you are not better off at all, by denying God's authority you are now accepting secular (which are basically the same) authority without any futher questions.

Protestantism has been far more useful as a way of reforming western religious worldview than atheism or materialism. Religion is a way a culture operates, there cannot be a culture without a religion, religion doesn't need a god or gods to exist one must remember that.   
Title: Re: Which Religion?
Post by: SealTeam6 on June 16, 2013, 06:27 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpugMBQD2to In this lecture Alan Watts talks about the nature of religion, why is it useful, whom is it useful to and is there a way out of it. It think westerners are making big mistake when assuming that thinking there is no god liberates them from western religion/social structure. It doesn't, it's all in the game, you are not better off at all, by denying God's authority you are now accepting secular (which are basically the same) authority without any futher questions.

Protestantism has been far more useful as a way of reforming western religious worldview than atheism or materialism. Religion is a way a culture operates, there cannot be a culture without a religion, religion doesn't need a god or gods to exist one must remember that.   

I like this.  I will check out the video at a later time. 

There is no liberation IMO until you accept everything for what it is.  You have to believe in something, if not God in the traditional sense, then pure science and secular culture.  Those things don't exist however without God IMO, so your are still believing in God and what comes from God!
Title: Re: Which Religion?
Post by: abitpeckish on June 17, 2013, 02:12 pm
Religion is a way a culture operates, there cannot be a culture without a religion, religion doesn't need a god or gods to exist one must remember that.   

You're conflating religion with culture, and it really doesn't fly. Religion is a kind of cultural feature, but it is not clear that it is a necessary one.

Also, the very first definition of "religion" in the NOED is "the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, esp. a personal God or gods: ideas about the relationship between science and religion." I'm not convinced that we can use the word religion in 2013 and not be misunderstood as definitely talking about gods.
Title: Re: Which Religion?
Post by: FartBomber on June 17, 2013, 03:08 pm
You got me misunderstood.  I am arguing for science and God.  I think people have God misunderstood.  I am still learning about God everyday myself!  I overstand God has the ultimate force.  This does not mean a man in the sky.  This means that God is life itself, and wherever life came from, that initial "bang" if you would, is God!  I hope you overstand what I am saying, it is very confusing I know!

It is confusing because it is nonsense.

I hate using this approach but let's replace the word God in your sentence with Flying Spaghetti Monster...

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I overstand The Flying Spaghetti Monster has the ultimate force.  This does not mean a man in the sky.  This means that The Flying Spaghetti Monster is life itself, and wherever life came from, that initial "bang" if you would, is The Flying Spaghetti Monster!  I hope you overstand what I am saying, it is very confusing I know!

You cannot define something by saying it is everywhere and then say that because everything exists that is proof that this thing exists.  Again, circular logic, the greatest crutch of the believer.

This is why few figure it out, because it seems like nonsense!  The purely logical ones don't understand believers in God and believers in God don't understand the purely logical one.

Put it together you have peace, life, God!

I think what SealTeam6 means is that you first need to know what the definition of god is. He gives the definition of "everything around us" to god and because everything around us is there there is god.

About choosing a religion, I think all religion is nonsense because it stops people from thinking for themselves and instead they follow a doctrine. Having believes is a good thing though, it keeps you occupied :P
Title: Re: Which Religion?
Post by: varakann on June 17, 2013, 03:13 pm
Religion is a way a culture operates, there cannot be a culture without a religion, religion doesn't need a god or gods to exist one must remember that.   

You're conflating religion with culture, and it really doesn't fly. Religion is a kind of cultural feature, but it is not clear that it is a necessary one.

Also, the very first definition of "religion" in the NOED is "the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, esp. a personal God or gods: ideas about the relationship between science and religion." I'm not convinced that we can use the word religion in 2013 and not be misunderstood as definitely talking about gods.

Yes, I agree, I conflated the definition of religion in purpose, I will elaborate the reasons why. Western culture/science often fails to see itself as a subject to this kind of classification. Religions are belief systems on which a people operate. But only to an outside standing observer this way of living seems like a religion. Only when examining culture from outside one can see that the basic axioms/postulates on which social structures are constructed are unprovable and therefore are questions of faith hence it's often called a religion with a judgment.

There is no need for deity in religion we often fail to see our "belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power" whether it is a democracy or scientific revelations about the nature of the world etc, as a practitioners of this culture/religion we are unaware of it, this is the whole point of religion in my opinion, it's like an operating system on which every other application and module is running.

I think religion isn't the same as confession, there is no such confession as hinduism, hinduism is the notion which we designate to a various people with different belief systems, mainly to define our values and ways of achieving these in contrast to other ways and values.







Title: Re: Which Religion?
Post by: SealTeam6 on June 17, 2013, 06:02 pm
You got me misunderstood.  I am arguing for science and God.  I think people have God misunderstood.  I am still learning about God everyday myself!  I overstand God has the ultimate force.  This does not mean a man in the sky.  This means that God is life itself, and wherever life came from, that initial "bang" if you would, is God!  I hope you overstand what I am saying, it is very confusing I know!

It is confusing because it is nonsense.

I hate using this approach but let's replace the word God in your sentence with Flying Spaghetti Monster...

Quote
I overstand The Flying Spaghetti Monster has the ultimate force.  This does not mean a man in the sky.  This means that The Flying Spaghetti Monster is life itself, and wherever life came from, that initial "bang" if you would, is The Flying Spaghetti Monster!  I hope you overstand what I am saying, it is very confusing I know!

You cannot define something by saying it is everywhere and then say that because everything exists that is proof that this thing exists.  Again, circular logic, the greatest crutch of the believer.

This is why few figure it out, because it seems like nonsense!  The purely logical ones don't understand believers in God and believers in God don't understand the purely logical one.

Put it together you have peace, life, God!

I think what SealTeam6 means is that you first need to know what the definition of god is. He gives the definition of "everything around us" to god and because everything around us is there there is god.

About choosing a religion, I think all religion is nonsense because it stops people from thinking for themselves and instead they follow a doctrine. Having believes is a good thing though, it keeps you occupied :P

It's all in the definition.  The problem is that many get it misunderstood.  The world IMO seems to be living under a big misunderstanding of what life and God is!  There are so many different ideas and interpretations out there that it's mind bogglingly confusing, to most!
Title: Re: Which Religion?
Post by: treesplease on June 18, 2013, 01:48 am
Religion is so GD stupid it makes my head hurt just thinking about it.
Title: Re: Which Religion?
Post by: SandStorm on June 18, 2013, 10:57 am
It's all in the definition.  The problem is that many get it misunderstood.  The world IMO seems to be living under a big misunderstanding of what life and God is!  There are so many different ideas and interpretations out there that it's mind bogglingly confusing, to most!

You are getting on to something here, but the problem isn't that the world misunderstand what god is. It is that the world has an other definition of god than you which they kind of have the equally right to call god as you have the right to call your definition god.

God is just a word which we have given a definition. I can call what I sleep in at night (bed) an apple. But if I go to a bed-store and ask for an apple the merchants there will most likely get confused since their definition of apple is a fruit which they don't sell. Therefore it is most practical of me to call a bed a bed and an apple an apple since that is what most people agrees on.

With god we have the problem that people do not agree on the definition of the word. Does god means everything, the creator of the universe, the ruler of the universe, a being in a transcendental realm, a flying spaghettimonster, Julius Cesar, Lemmy (Motörhead).

If I ask you I get the answer everything, if I ask a hardrocker I can get the answer Lemmy, if I ask a Christian I will probably get the answer the creator and ruler of the universe, if I ask a citizen of the roman empire in the year 40 BC I get a being in a transcendental realm and Julius Cesar.

I believe Julius Cesar has existed and that Lemmy exist since I can see historical and current traces after them, so towards those gods I am a theist. I don't know how to to prove the existence of beings in transcendental realms so until someone finds out how to prove their existence it is meaningless to discuss their existence.

Everything is usually a subgroup to something, like everything in the universe, everything inside a transistor, everything in Greek mythology, everything my mother ever told me, everything in the book of a social science class. So everything without a defined subgroup, is that everything in all subgroups (this is how I understood you)? Then god is very much and it is kind of pointless to talk about god. Since I can be specifying on how transistors are made up while you speak of the orbits of the planets.