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Discussion => Drug safety => Topic started by: cosmicmoe on September 24, 2012, 01:58 am

Title: Valium
Post by: cosmicmoe on September 24, 2012, 01:58 am
Let me first admit that I'm a complete newbie to SR, so please forgive me for asking "stupid" questions. I'm really interested in taking Valium. How would you suggest a newbie get started, i.e. dosage, legit vendor(s), etc. Thanks!
Title: Re: Valium
Post by: painbow on September 24, 2012, 02:23 am
I would NOT recommend valium if you are trying to use it for recreational use.  Benzos have the WORST and HELLISH withdrawal even with minimal abuse.  They can also cognitively impair you when used longterm.

If you are just looking for small amount to use for anxiety occasionally, then make sure you read about benzos plenty first.
Title: Re: Valium
Post by: EzzeeK on September 24, 2012, 04:07 am
+1 painbow

I have been taking valium for about a year everyday.  I only take 5mg - 10 mg a day to counteract the uppers I take.  But,  I have severe anxiety and as with any drug you should do your research.  Several times I was about to buy something that sounded good until I did my own research and it turned out it would have had a very negative effect on me.
Title: Re: Valium
Post by: NOTspacecase on September 24, 2012, 04:25 am
WTF is wrong with you guys, fear mongering...

If you want to take valium to just get a buzz try the 5mg pills and work your way up to you find the desired effect you're looking for. You won't have any withdrawal from just experimenting but if you take them for a few months the withdrawal can be a bitch especially if you have a weak mind.

I don't know what region you're in so I can't recommend a seller for you. If you're looking for the best deal look into the powder, it's cheaper but hard to measure out in doses (also easier to be tampered with), you must have a accurate milligram scale if you plan on getting this. Being new to benzos and overdoing it on accident could easily be harmful.
Title: Re: Valium
Post by: painbow on September 24, 2012, 05:07 am
The BUZZ from benzos isn't even worth it AT ALL if you're chasing the high.  If you are going to go that route, go buy some hydrocodone or roxy.  You will feel more fuzzy and high with an opioid than a benzo.

Benzo ABUSE is just not worth it at all.  Some heroin addicts will say that they would rather withdraw from heroin than benzo.

Benzo should be used for anxiety not for fun. 
Title: Re: Valium
Post by: BobSacamano1 on September 24, 2012, 05:15 am
Yeah benzos arn't fun unless combined with alcohol and then they are just sloppy. Benzos are for relief, relief from many bad things and they are something of a wonder drug for occasional relief from what ales you, but its not a recreational drug at all. As far a therapetuic benzo valium is my favorite though.

Ive been though week long xanax withdrawal, while coming off alcohol simultaneously. Shit is no joke. THat one idiot above me talking about having a "weak mind" fuck you dude. Benzos are the most PHYSICAL fuckin addiction/withdrawal that there is, fuck off.
Title: Re: Valium
Post by: blitz2000 on September 24, 2012, 05:17 am
The BUZZ from benzos isn't even worth it AT ALL if you're chasing the high.  If you are going to go that route, go buy some hydrocodone or roxy.  You will feel more fuzzy and high with an opioid than a benzo.

Benzo ABUSE is just not worth it at all.  Some heroin addicts will say that they would rather withdraw from heroin than benzo.

Benzo should be used for anxiety not for fun.

It's opinion, opis make me feel very ill when I take them.  The high is mediocre at best.  Benzos cover my whole body with a blanket of euphoria and not giving a fuckness.  Although I will not deny that if you become addicted to benzos, you are in for hell.  There is NO denying that benzo withdraws are worse than opiate withdraws.

I have tried a lot of opis, none compare to the high of benzos for me personally.  Also prices on opis are far worse than prices on benzos.
Title: Re: Valium
Post by: NOTspacecase on September 24, 2012, 05:21 am
Yeah benzos arn't fun unless combined with alcohol and then they are just sloppy. Benzos are for relief, relief from many bad things and they are something of a wonder drug for occasional relief from what ales you, but its not a recreational drug at all. As far a therapetuic benzo valium is my favorite though.

Ive been though week long xanax withdrawal, while coming off alcohol simultaneously. Shit is no joke. THat one idiot above me talking about having a "weak mind" fuck you dude. Benzos are the most physically fuckin addiction/withdrawal that there is, fuck off.

I wouldn't comment if I didn't know what I was talking about. Hate to break the news to you but people use benzos as recreational drugs, I don't know what rock you're living under. Withdrawal from benzos isn't shit compared to opiates. I've detoxed from both there is literally nothing hard about a benzo withdrawal besides having no emotions, it's not physical at all. Yeah, it takes longer to feel "normal" and fully detox off of benzos but it's nothing like opiates. It's like comparing apples to oranges.

This guy is going to do what he wants your opinions are great but they're just your opinion, you're not the authority on benzos so stop acting like it. If you can't answer the guys questions then why are you even commenting? Just to see yourself type? Trolls.
Title: Re: Valium
Post by: painbow on September 24, 2012, 05:30 am
It's opinion, opis make me feel very ill when I take them.  The high is mediocre at best.  Benzos cover my whole body with a blanket of euphoria and not giving a fuckness.  Although I will not deny that if you become addicted to benzos, you are in for hell.  There is NO denying that benzo withdraws are worse than opiate withdraws.

Yeah but that euphoria and lack of fuckness goes away quick with the tolerance due to the nature of GABA receptors.

I'm not saying benzos don't feel good.  They are not worth the high they provide if you look at the tolerance and withdrawal they cause for most people.

For euphoria and lack of fuckness, go with quality MDMA not benzo.

I've detoxed from both there is literally nothing hard about a benzo withdrawal besides having no emotions, it's not physical at all. Yeah, it takes longer to feel "normal" and fully detox off of benzos but it's nothing like opiates. It's like comparing apples to oranges.

You may be a lucky person and have not really abused it much at all.  Full blown anxiety attacks and wanting to crawl out of your skin isn't fun.

There is only substance withdrawal that can actually kill you which is alcohol withdrawal.  Guess what receptor alcohol works on?  GABA.  The very same receptor benzos work on.
Title: Re: Valium
Post by: sdesu on September 24, 2012, 06:48 am
+1 to Painbow.

I'm still not entirely sure why people take valium to get high. Valium belongs to a class of drugs (benzodiazepines) that literally have the opposite effect. Benzo's are GABA receptor agonists which increase the effects of the inhibitory neurotransmitter GABA - causing an increased sedative-like effect.

Benzo's have terrible long-term effects, especially on cognitive function, tolerance buildup is very quick - which makes them essentially useless for long-term use, and their withdrawal effects are brutal.

If you're looking for a euphoric high, try MDMA.

And for the love of the God that doesn't exist, do not combine benzos with alcohol.

sdesu
Title: Re: Valium
Post by: NOTspacecase on September 24, 2012, 04:15 pm
You guys are ridiculous, do you even use the drug? Or just read a pamphlet and start preaching your opinions? Benzos are widely known and used as a recreational drug. They are fun to use, simple as that. This guy never said "Hey, I want some valium and I want to get addicted and drink alcohol on them and only do them for euphoria", this is all your assumptions. Every chemical drug has a negative effect, just because you have a opinion on why benzos shouldn't be used as a recreational drug doesn't make you the authority on it so, stop acting like it. No one wants to see some condescending sounding jerks when they are just asking a simple question.
Title: Re: Valium
Post by: painbow on September 24, 2012, 06:30 pm
You guys are ridiculous, do you even use the drug? Or just read a pamphlet and start preaching your opinions? Benzos are widely known and used as a recreational drug. They are fun to use, simple as that. This guy never said "Hey, I want some valium and I want to get addicted and drink alcohol on them and only do them for euphoria", this is all your assumptions. Every chemical drug has a negative effect, just because you have a opinion on why benzos shouldn't be used as a recreational drug doesn't make you the authority on it so, stop acting like it. No one wants to see some condescending sounding jerks when they are just asking a simple question.

You are the one that doesn't get this.  OP is a COMPLETE NEWB.  He even asks for what dosage he should take in his post.

The OP obviously lacks experience and knowledge about drugs in  general. 

Nobody here is claiming to be an authority or making random shit up. 

I'm not speaking from the bias and propaganda of "drugs are baaaad" bullshit.  I'm a grown ass man with a lot of education in chemistry and medicine and I DO support recreational use of drugs.

But, you can't put ALL drugs in the same category.  There are smart ways to do this and there are many receptors in your body you can fuck with for pleasure or exploration.  However, GABA should not be one of them.

Tons of doctors will tell you about how some patients come back BEGGING for more xanax or valium refills because they can't stand with withdrawal even with therapeutic doses.

The point here isn't to scare him away from drugs.  It's about education and making smarter decisions.
Title: Re: Valium
Post by: BobSacamano1 on September 24, 2012, 09:31 pm

 there is literally nothing hard about a benzo withdrawal besides having no emotions, it's not physical at all.

You are full of shit! No one listen to this dude.

And yeah, I've had 3 major shoulder surgeries and 30 dislocations, I have experienced both Opiate and Benzo WD as well. They are both horrible, but benzo WD can kill you. How can a withdrawal that can literally end your life via severe seizures, "not be physical at all"?
Title: Re: Valium
Post by: BobSacamano1 on September 24, 2012, 09:35 pm

"There is only substance withdrawal that can actually kill you which is alcohol withdrawal.  Guess what receptor alcohol works on?  GABA.  The very same receptor benzos work on."

Which is why there are actually two substances that can have lethal withdrawals, alcohol and benzodiazepines. Your logic was sound, but alcohol aint the only one, you can absolutely die from benzo withdrawal as well.

But of course its "not physical at all." I usually try to be civil on forums, but that dude is a fucking idiot.
Title: Re: Valium
Post by: lefthandspinner on September 24, 2012, 09:40 pm
also unless u get chemist ones most are fake indian/pak ones and arnt even valium so dont eat loads if they dont do out just fuck them off they could be anything
this is uk perspective dont know about other countries but u never see shit loads of chemist ones availible unless u no chemist robbers so most are foreign ones
Title: Re: Valium
Post by: NOTspacecase on September 24, 2012, 10:11 pm
Keep on spreading that fear coppers...

I have detoxed from benzos probably close to 30 times in the past 20 years and not once had a physical symptom. Did I say they don't exist, no. What I'm saying is this guy will more then likely be fine from experimenting with valium. I know how doctors view benzos you're not telling me anything new at all. You guys keep taking my personal experience as facts, that's your mistake, learn from them and mind you own damn business. You don't like what I have to say ignore me and fucking move on.

As it stands I'm the only one who even responded with the answers this guy was looking for while you just came here to attack me and spread fear and call it "harm reduction", what a fucking joke you guys are.

Title: Re: Valium
Post by: lefthandspinner on September 24, 2012, 10:26 pm
u believe that most things sold as 10mg vallium actually have 10mg valium in what about the paki blues that cost £50 for 1000 and all the other lose ones and foreign ones i doubt they have any where near 10 mg in them if any more like cheaper benzos in them
there made as cheap as poss and just need to fuck people and knock them out and everyone loves them as thats what they want fuck all to do with valium ,when i get chemist ones i think there shit and do nothing compared to fakes that knock u out as im not trying to treat anxiaty just to get a better nod of h
Title: Re: Valium
Post by: NOTspacecase on September 24, 2012, 10:38 pm
u believe that most things sold as 10mg vallium actually have 10mg valium in what about the paki blues that cost £50 for 1000 and all the other lose ones and foreign ones i doubt they have any where near 10 mg in them if any more like cheaper benzos in them
there made as cheap as poss and just need to fuck people and knock them out and everyone loves them as thats what they want fuck all to do with valium ,when i get chemist ones i think there shit and do nothing compared to fakes that knock u out as im not trying to treat anxiaty just to get a better nod of h

Hey man I agree with you completely on this but that's a whole 'nother story. Like I said in my first post I couldn't recommend him a legit seller that I have used as I don't know his region but if he responded with his region I know enough vendors selling legit v's to keep him safe from that.
Title: Re: Valium
Post by: EzzeeK on September 24, 2012, 11:58 pm
Keep on spreading that fear coppers...

The OP posted this in the drug safety forum which advocates harm reduction and proper use.  He clearly has not done his research and has no idea on proper usage.  No one is spreading fear, just safety.  We all do drugs here and we all get high.  Op, you should dose at 5mg then work your way up if needed.  As far as vendors I like Natasha, Brownpurple31, CoolChick, and Kr1sKr1ngle.  Lets all take a valium and relax :)
Title: Re: Valium
Post by: BobSacamano1 on September 25, 2012, 12:37 am
Keep on spreading that fear coppers...

I have detoxed from benzos probably close to 30 times in the past 20 years and not once had a physical symptom. Did I say they don't exist, no. What I'm saying is this guy will more then likely be fine from experimenting with valium. I know how doctors view benzos you're not telling me anything new at all. You guys keep taking my personal experience as facts, that's your mistake, learn from them and mind you own damn business. You don't like what I have to say ignore me and fucking move on.

As it stands I'm the only one who even responded with the answers this guy was looking for while you just came here to attack me and spread fear and call it "harm reduction", what a fucking joke you guys are.

I agree that he will probably be fine experimenting with Valium, as long as he doesn't listen to you.

And instead actually seeks out the proper resources to acquire accurate info about how benzos work, and yes, the fact that they are highly physically addictive and can potentially produce some of the most severe physical withdrawal symptoms of any psycho active substance, that in rare cases can cause intense seizures that sometimes can be followed by death. Yes this is the 'harm reduction' forum and you whole attitude is ignorant and obnoxious. I love valium, and I would encourage the thread-starter to buy a few and try them out, and if he really wants to experience an awesome buzz he should have a couple of beers and smoke a lil bit of weed after popping 10-20 mg. He will be just fine as long as he doesn't listen to your ignorant ass.

Title: Re: Valium
Post by: Ben on September 25, 2012, 12:52 am
Hate to break the news to you but people use benzos as recreational drugs, I don't know what rock you're living under.

That people are doing it does -not- make it a good idea, per se. Obviously you can get intoxicated by using a couple of tablets of valium, but what exactly is the benefit over taking a couple of drinks?

I've always found the purely recreational use of benzo's a bit confusing. Valium is bascially a pure downer, which may give you a bit on euforia on the way between stumbling into your bed and falling asleep. I'd say alcohol compares favorably in that effect though, since it will at least get you nice and chatty/happy/gitty before putting your lights out after a large enough dose.

I think most people that order benzo's on SR do so either to

- treat anxiety or insomnia problems due to a physician refusing to prescribe them
- emergency measure to 'cancel' a bad trip caused by another substance, mostly hallucinogens

As a recreational drug on its own, i'd score valium 1 out of 10 - the positive side is very limited at best, while the risk of addiction is quite realistic with frequent use.

If you want to experience what taking 20/30 mg of valium feels like, proceed and try some time, i'm quite sure you'll realize its not a substance to have some fun on. You will, probably, get a well deserved night of good sleep out of it ;)
Title: Re: Valium
Post by: BobSacamano1 on September 25, 2012, 01:29 am
As far as benzos and pure recreational value, I think they do have some, just not  a whole lot on their own. They definitely can make social situations more enjoyable as they loosen your tongue.  But the recreational value they do have occurs in combinations with other substances in my opinion, most notably weed and booze. Because marijuana can often make people a bit anxious/paranoid especially in high doses, the combo of a couple valium(for example) and some good weed is an extremely enjoyable and relaxing buzz. You toss 3-6 beers into the mix, and that trifecta can produce a pretty amazing buzz/body high in my experience. But I do agree that benzos completely by themselves don't produce a whole lot of euphoria, more so just relaxation and sedation. But as I mentioned earlier that state of relaxation free from anxieties can feel quite euphoric to certain people, although its not a "high" in the same sense as other drugs.
Title: Re: Valium
Post by: NOTspacecase on September 25, 2012, 01:37 am

We all do drugs here and we all get high.

I don't know if you noticed this but that is simply not true. There has been a influx of people coming around here that don't even use, especially with the harm reduction preaching. What happens is they read a article on blue light then come here thinking they're experts talking about the rarest symptoms from drug abuse of said drug being discussed.

What I did was give this guy a way to safely experience this drug which they believe doesn't exist because they more then likely read a article that said otherwise. Real users with real experience can see through their bullshit from a mile way, that's all it is...

EDIT:
And before one of you idiots proceed to call me dumb mother fucker for the bullshit comment, I'm not talking about the doctors studies being bullshit. I know that's how you will read it because you guys are always trying to read between the lines, there's nothing there so stop trying.
Title: Re: Valium
Post by: EzzeeK on September 25, 2012, 02:02 am

We all do drugs here and we all get high.

I don't know if you noticed this but that is simply not true. There has been a influx of people coming around here that don't even use, especially with the harm reduction preaching.
I have not noticed that NOTspacecase.  Seems like a waste of time to not buy drugs from here and just preach the "Just say No" propaganda on the forums.  I guess everyone has their own agenda, whatever that is.
Title: Re: Valium
Post by: modest mouse on September 25, 2012, 02:06 am
The BUZZ from benzos isn't even worth it AT ALL if you're chasing the high.  If you are going to go that route, go buy some hydrocodone or roxy.  You will feel more fuzzy and high with an opioid than a benzo.

Benzo ABUSE is just not worth it at all.  Some heroin addicts will say that they would rather withdraw from heroin than benzo.

Benzo should be used for anxiety not for fun.

are you serious, you are trying to warn about the dangers of benzos and suggesting someone use opiates? this is seriously the worst advice

take it from someone who is addicted to oxycodone (now i use heroin cause its cheaper, but roxy is just as addictive) and i have a xanax script... with severe anxiety, i used both opiates and benzos recreationally and medicinally. opiates are hundreds of times more addictive than benzos.  withdrawal from both is absolute hell, but benzos generally last longer and can kill you, which opiate withdrawal is not lethal usually. but it is MUCH easier to get to a point where you will withdraw from opiates than it is to get in that deep with benzos. i used heavy doses of xanax for an entire summer every day with absolutely no withdrawal symptoms. the same amount of daily roxy use produces w/d at least for me, seems tolerance builds much faster to opiates.

while they dont produce as strong euphoria as opiates, benzos can be extremely relaxing, melt away your stress in a similar way - and can make you feel slightly drunk like alcohol, given benzos and EtOH both modulate activity of GABA at receptor type A. the effects are very different though... benzos are more subtle and enjoyable - i hate alcohol, especially the nausea and hangover which benzos dont produce, one advantage since ben asked

some people dont get the recreational effects, and only feel tired... then others go crazy, are disinhibited and get thrown in jail for theft (my friend... twice. once for trying to just flat out grab an ipod speaker display and walk out blatantly). they can be especially dangerous if mixed with other downers potentially resulting in death because people dont respect them (even just benzos and alcohol makes dying more likely). they also inhibit memory so people will take another, then forget or not care at the time and take another... then you wake up 20 hours later and cant figure out where your car is or why you lost all your pills, when you actually just ate them all.

OP, if you are going to use benzos, diazepam (valium, apaurin) is actually one of the weaker, least recreational benzodiazepines. generally more people prefer short acting alprazolam (xanax) and long acting clonazepam (klonopin). for many people,  benzos just knock em out... so some like lorazepam (ativan) because it is medium strength and less sedating. try em out and see which one you enjoy most

equivalent doses would be around
valium: 20 mg
ativan : 2 mg
klonopin: 1 mg
xanax: 1 mg
(except for V, 2 mg is the highest available and they start at .25 mg for X or .5 mg for A and K)

oh and in response to the recent post about combos - one of my absolute favorite combos is a mix of a benzo and stimulant (which i dont generally enjoy). then the euphoria really is amplified but instead of uptight, fidgety and uneasy - i am not too sleepy yet very relaxed...
Title: Re: Valium
Post by: BobSacamano1 on September 25, 2012, 02:18 am
^Yeah I enjoy the script speedball as well. I'm prescribed Vyvanse and occasionally prescibed valium or k pin for my anxiety disorder, I do indeed enjoy that combo and its not as unhealthy as it might sound, my conservative doctor approved it.
Title: Re: Valium
Post by: modest mouse on September 25, 2012, 04:31 am
lol, yea i know the typical speedball of cocaine and heroin is extremely hard on the heart and i avoid using opiates and stims together.

but given how frequently amphetamine and benzos are prescribed together i will indulge in a pharma speedball occasionally without fear of too much stress or damage to my body.  cocaine is just hard on the heart already, and opiates impact downstream adrenergic signaling which sends contradictory messages... but GABA plays a much smaller role in cardiac processes

i also enjoy a benzo when coming down off psychedelics... produces a similar effect and the comedown is just phenomenal and lovely instead of feeling like crap
Title: Re: Valium
Post by: BobSacamano1 on September 25, 2012, 10:46 pm
lol, yea i know the typical speedball of cocaine and heroin is extremely hard on the heart and i avoid using opiates and stims together.

but given how frequently amphetamine and benzos are prescribed together i will indulge in a pharma speedball occasionally without fear of too much stress or damage to my body.  cocaine is just hard on the heart already, and opiates impact downstream adrenergic signaling which sends contradictory messages... but GABA plays a much smaller role in cardiac processes

i also enjoy a benzo when coming down off psychedelics... produces a similar effect and the comedown is just phenomenal and lovely instead of feeling like crap

Yeah, I wish I knew the chemistry as well as you but I know it some, and yeah Cocaine and Heroin would never be prescribed together by any real modern doctor, for obvious reason, not even addiction factor but physiological shit, I;ve had friends who have had cocaine heart attacks, that drug alone. I had a doctor who was an expert in alcohol withdrawal at the ER tell me Vyvanse and Valium was perfectly fine together, after I had been treated for a substance abuse issue (acute alcohol WD, I get baad hangovers.) Yeah Pharms are addictive but there just not as toxic n sketchy as Heroin and Cocaine and MDMA and Meth (crystal Meth) etc.
Title: Re: Valium
Post by: Joey Terrifying on September 25, 2012, 11:05 pm
i like valium.  its quite an enjoyable drug for me.  but i don't go crazy with the stuff.  small doses.  and if i notice i've taken valium a few days in a row i put it down for a couple weeks.

just don't be an idiot, dose low, don't lie to yourself, and have fun.
Title: Re: Valium
Post by: Ben on September 26, 2012, 12:28 am
But I do agree that benzos completely by themselves don't produce a whole lot of euphoria, more so just relaxation and sedation. But as I mentioned earlier that state of relaxation free from anxieties can feel quite euphoric to certain people, although its not a "high" in the same sense as other drugs.

They can surely provide a sensation where worries feel less urgent, which could be considered a 'high' by some broad definition.

I can't really imagine sitting down with some friends to hang out. play a game of poker, and take some valiums instead of having some beers.

As for 'just say no' propaganda: i've hardly noticed that, just some 'just try something else' remarks which are mostly well placed.