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Discussion => Drug safety => Topic started by: ReggieHadHeart on August 05, 2013, 06:56 am
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Before I start, I'll warn you that this is a bit long...but I'd REALLY appreciate if someone who has some "time under their belt" in the dope game would weigh in on this. I'm really torn over whether or not I should spring for the tramadol.
So, I've got a non-using friend coming to visit on tuesday, and he is staying until the following friday-10 days.
I'm currently addicted to heroin, and I use a fair amount. I am going to have to hide my use from him, and it really only be feasible to shoot up twice a day tops.
In the past, when I was also addicted but happened to be taking a break with suboxone, I was able to take tramadol and although I did not get high, it eliminated withdrawals. My dope tolerance/habit has gone up since then, but not a tremendous amount.
Basically, about a year ago, I came across a 50 count bottle of 50mg tramadol. At the time, I was taking 2-3mg of suboxone a day. (I always take low dose sub-it keeps w.d. at bay, and if I take any more than that, I get terrible headaches.
At first, I was taking the two together. I felt a slight uplift in emotion, but definitely no euphoria.
I then decided to stop my sub and see how the tram held me. The first few days, I didn't think much of not missing the sub, because I figured it was still lingering on my receptors. However, the 4th thru 7th day, I felt even better. I'm pretty sure the sub was out of my system by then, or if there was any left, it wasn't enough to calm my w.d.
For "control" purposes, I've stopped taking my sub and all other opiates before, when I tried to "cold turkey" off 1mg of sub after having been on it for 6 months. By day 4 I definitely was feeling off, and the morning of the 5th day I woke up to soaking wet sheets and very tense muscles. I made it about 5 miserable, anxious hours that day before I broke and took a mg of sub-and all my symptoms vanished.
So, here is my question: would/should/could the tramadol work as well (or at all) easing the much more rapidly enveloping dope withdrawals? I don't plan on stopping dope completely, just cutting back so that whatever I get will satiate me.
To give you an idea of my tolerance:
I'm currently using about .8g(800mg) of mediocre black tar a day (it's all that's available to me around here) in about 3 shots-pick it up around 2pm, do .3 shot at 2:30, .2 shot at bedtime (~1am) and .3shot upon waking (~8am). I also received a g from dragon cove on friday morning and that lasted me about 60 hours total. I was able to feel pretty good of a .15 shot from him.
I plan on picking up 5 grams before he arrives, as that's about all I can afford. That means I'd have to cut back to .5g a day while he is here-and that's where the tramadol comes in. I would prob take 100mg 3 times a day-morning, lunch, and dinner. This leaves me 100mg to take PRN if I'm feeling especially shitty.
I'm also receiving a G from GIA tomorrow, and I'm going to try and make that last as long as possible before starting in on the tar.
In case anyone is going to suggest this: I can't just "hop back on suboxone" because EVERY TIME I switch from dope to sub I feel like absolute dog shit both physically and mentally for about 2 weeks, and I really don't want to be terrible company while my friend is here.
Oh yea-I know about the seizure threshold of t-dol.
Do you think I should give this a shot? Why/why not. If you vote no, what would you do to stretch out your supply?
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Tramadol is free for sale in the Netherlands.
But to play it safe I recommand http://www.dokteronline.com/
You have to pay the dokter €12,50 and tell your symptoms and ask just for the tramadol.
In case of a investigation, you have the official papers, signed by a official doctor.
They use to sell benzo'sand all, but do not anymore.
Tramadol is free in the Netherlands. The site is from Curacau, cause Pharmacists may not sell over the internet, but Curacau has a other law.
The medicine come from Rotterdam. No judge can order to give the names to who the medicine are sold. Their the hole in the law.
There is no law where Tramadol is mentioned, even if it is a opiate.
In the ad is a brand I don't know, but he has ""Zydol"" too, just ask.
The site is legit but doesn't sell the stronger stuff anymore.
So nothing for me there.
I have some tramadol too. Ultram. If they were Zydol or tramadil, they were gone a long time ago.
I can send some for free. I get a unpleasant buzz from those tabs, Zydol are the best.
You need half the heroin and be twice as stoned.
I have some tabs of Methadone too.
Pict with a word of your choice + date on request.
For 7 or 8 days I can help.
The problem here is that we have to use snailmail and I live In the Netherlands, and your from the States I guess.
If you are interested , let me know and send pgpkey
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I suppose the availability of tramadol is not the problem here - its available in many countries and relatively inexpensive too... perhaps you'd pay $1 each for 100 mg tablets, possibly less. Plenty of vendors on SR or otherwise.
The question seems to be whether it can be useful in hiding a heroin habit for a week and a half.
Using suboxone seems to be essential here though, taking just tramadol will not reduce the symptoms of acute opiate withdrawal to an acceptable/presentable level over the course of a week.
I suppose this is not a problem though, as long as it prevents you from having to shoot up. Ingesting some suboxone and tramadol can be done quite discretely in a bathroom, or even publicly explaining it is for allergies or something like that if anyone asks. Most people have no idea what the pills look like, and will not 'spot' a tablet of suboxone or capsule or tramadol unless they have been using them themselves.
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Maybe I wasn't clear?
I plan on using dope while he is here, just not as much.
Also, I can get the trams no problem-thanks for your offer-but I'll be fine on my own.
I usually shoot .8-1.2g a day, and I want to go down to .5, using the tramadol to stretch out my dope. Feasible?
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Maybe I wasn't clear either when I wrote;"" Zydol are the best.
You need half the heroin and be twice as stoned.""
Promethazine does the same. You will need less Heroin. Free for sale in the Netherlands also.
Benzo's help a lttle too, but if you can do with half your normal daily portion , I don't know.
Tramadol is a opiate, and zydol wont let you down.
Metadone is like a medicine for a horse.
Shooting up 0.8 gram each day is a lot, so you will need about 80 mg to feel O.K. (2 times 40 mg methadone is better)
If you continue using but less, you can do with 20 mg in the morning and 20 mg in the evening.
As little as 5 mg can give cross-tolerances. The meth prevents the H to reach the receptor and H does the same. Meaning the meth can't do it's job because the H is in the way to reach the receptor