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Discussion => Newbie discussion => Topic started by: hopeful7 on July 20, 2013, 07:44 pm
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I am just curious why some like the black tar and others prefer the lighter colored. Does one serve a better purpose as related to methods of administration. Black tar just looks so gross to me, lol. What is the difference and how is it processed to make it look so different? I am just curious.
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I think black tar is pretty much just for IV while you can snort the lighter powder or melt it down and inject it
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I cannot imagine ever doing H. I think it's got to be one of the worst drugs you can possibly do. Each to their own, however.
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Please be careful, I don,t use heroin but have friends on here who do, one just nearly lost a leg!! I do know no.3 herion is for IV with citric acid heated ect but no.4 is the lighter one (read FrankMathews review thread) and doesn,t need citric ot to be heated but its very strong from what i,ve read, people in there will know more about the blacktar heroin too, pm someone (Darktime?) and ask, take care and +1 for asking ;)
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Ok here we go.
#4 is the most refined it has been through 4 proccesses it is good to IV smoke or snort but can easily be cut with other products
#3 is leess refined only 3 proccesses it is better to smoke but stilll good to IV need acid to dissolve to IV harder to cut but less pure because of imperfections left prom 1 less refine process
#2 Black tar only 2 processes very dirty good to smoke but i dont IV due to dirtyness
#1 opium
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Black tar heroin, or BTH, is more commonly used for banging (IV) and smoking. #4 heroin, is also used to IV but is commonly snorted. #3 heroin is just to be smoked.
To answer your question, the reason some people always get one or the other is mainly due to location and availability. Here in the states, the western half of the US is dominated by BTH, due to the mexican cartels controlling all manufacture and distribution of heroin and almost any other drug found in the western US. They only produce and distribute BTH. In the eastern half of the US #4 heroin reigns dominant.
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I cannot imagine ever doing H. I think it's got to be one of the worst drugs you can possibly do. Each to their own, however.
I don,t use it either but why post then if thats all you have to add, not helpful :-X I won,t neg karma you or anything, just saying ;)
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I cannot imagine ever doing H. I think it's got to be one of the worst drugs you can possibly do. Each to their own, however.
I don,t use it either but why post then if thats all you have to add, not helpful :-X I won,t neg karma you or anything, just saying ;)
Yes, I'll admit it wasn't helpful to post that, and I was only expressing my opinion on the stuff. That's why I said "each to their own" at the end. Didn't mean to offend.
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I cannot imagine ever doing H. I think it's got to be one of the worst drugs you can possibly do. Each to their own, however.
I don,t use it either but why post then if thats all you have to add, not helpful :-X I won,t neg karma you or anything, just saying ;)
You do fucking use it you lying fat sweat. Your talking about cooking up with citric, I knew you and that rat of a fella was a fucking smack fiend knew it. Wash your vagina you fucking stink.
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I cannot imagine ever doing H. I think it's got to be one of the worst drugs you can possibly do. Each to their own, however.
I don,t use it either but why post then if thats all you have to add, not helpful :-X I won,t neg karma you or anything, just saying ;)
You do fucking use it you lying fat sweat. Your talking about cooking up with citric, I knew you and that rat of a fella was a fucking smack fiend knew it. Wash your vagina you fucking stink.
Ok you trolling cunt, funny thread you made in off topic in your GayBruceCampbell account and respond to yourself as NorthernStar ::) moron (check please people) and they can see the take the cunt out of you threads in the newbie section and post in them, several people have made threads about this sicko!
Do you even buy drugs or just troll ;) He also made up threads about junkies in gaybruce or other name in off topic!
All i,ll say is check this guys previous posts and check mine, your a smelly little 16 yr old virgin who has a hard on for me ;) Is it not past your bedtime or do you get to stay up late on Saturday, muppet ;)
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Please be careful, I don,t use heroin but have friends on here who do, one just nearly lost a leg!! I do know no.3 herion is for IV with citric acid heated ect but no.4 is the lighter one (read FrankMathews review thread) and doesn,t need citric ot to be heated but its very strong from what i,ve read, people in there will know more about the blacktar heroin too, pm someone (Darktime?) and ask, take care and +1 for asking ;)
I've got you now, your one of those hopeless smack addicts who are lying inebriated, and in a drug fueled stupor. You know the ones who are sitting in town begging with a cup, and people just walk past and pretend you don't exist You are in town shoplifting, with scabs all over your fat ugly face. The security see you coming a mile off. But your so fucking smacked up to the eyeballs you actually think your blending in. picking up your free methadone, selling it for another bag. and collecting your fucking giro. just an unbroken pathetic daily ritual while you waste away. Your a blight on hard working people you fucking fat parasite.
Now never mind your legless friend, your going to lose your groin if you keep hitting up.
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I cannot imagine ever doing H. I think it's got to be one of the worst drugs you can possibly do. Each to their own, however.
I don,t use it either but why post then if thats all you have to add, not helpful :-X I won,t neg karma you or anything, just saying ;)
You do fucking use it you lying fat sweat. Your talking about cooking up with citric, I knew you and that rat of a fella was a fucking smack fiend knew it. Wash your vagina you fucking stink.
Ok you trolling cunt, funny thread you made in off topic in your GayBruceCampbell account and respond to yourself as NorthernStar ::) moron (check please people) and they can see the take the cunt out of you threads in the newbie section and post in them, several people have made threads about this sicko!
Do you even buy drugs or just troll ;) He also made up threads about junkies in gaybruce or other name in off topic!
All i,ll say is check this guys previous posts and check mine, your a smelly little 16 yr old virgin who has a hard on for me ;) Is it not past your bedtime or do you get to stay up late on Saturday, muppet ;)
What smack induced tripe are you putting out now. Listen dickhead, I'm one person you fucking paranoid crack house slag.
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Yeah i sit there with my laptop NorthernStar aka Gaybruce lmao honestly if your dick wasn,t so small your hard on for me would be poking me in the back ;) Stop spamming threads with shit as usual, you along with you can join your other personality on ignore cause i,m not interested, you,ll just have to fantisize about me Ha Ha retard ;D
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Yeah i sit there with my laptop NorthernStar aka Gaybruce lmao honestly if your dick wasn,t so small your hard on for me would be poking me in the back ;) Stop spamming threads with shit as usual, you along with you can join your other personality on ignore cause i,m not interested, you,ll just have to fantisize about me Ha Ha retard ;D
Fantasize? You should be euthanized you and your fucking thieving dirty house robbing smack head friends.I'll let you check the dictionary and be waiting.
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Yeah i sit there with my laptop NorthernStar aka Gaybruce lmao honestly if your dick wasn,t so small your hard on for me would be poking me in the back ;) Stop spamming threads with shit as usual, you along with you can join your other personality on ignore cause i,m not interested, you,ll just have to fantisize about me Ha Ha retard ;D
LOL! The above is comedy personified, literally laughed out loud at that.....Brilliant.
Peace.
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Using heroin doesn't mean you have to steal douche i've been using for ten years i work for my gear and even being a junkie I still have a higher IQ then you seeing as I can string a sentence together that "normal" people understand as I'm assuming only fully fledged crack heads can understand your ramblings
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Oh, wow, drama in my thread. Certainly didn't mean for all that to get started. Anyway, thanks to those who took the time to post INFORMATIVE replies and STAYED ON TOPIC to answer my original question. I knew some of the answer, but I wanted to be sure what I was thinking was correct, plus I learned a few new things.
Believe it or not, I am an infrequent user, but it does save my life when I need strong pain relief. That is far as I go sharing personal details. I was just seeking information.
Ironically enough I live in an area that is said to have some of the strongest and cheapest H there is, and the according to the media it is everywhere. If it is, I can't find it, but then I am older, so it is more difficult for me to find those connections. Thus, very thankful for Silk Road and "one-stop shopping," lol!
Peace to all!
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Glad you found what you were looking for just remember to always use with someone and use clean equipment and go slow with a new batch better 2 holes in your arm then one in the ground
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Hey don,t worry, i posted to help and the troll jamp on me as usual, plus wanted to bring this thigs to the attention of newbies, and he is slagging of junkies but anyone can check my posts like i said i don,t use H but have never called anyone on here a junkie or trolled anyone ;) just came in to give good advice ;) good thead and +1 to the guy above you ;)
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lol chasing the dragon
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Glad you found what you were looking for just remember to always use with someone and use clean equipment and go slow with a new batch better 2 holes in your arm then one in the ground
I never use needles. Never have, never will. But thanks for the advice anyway. :)
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Glad you found what you were looking for just remember to always use with someone and use clean equipment and go slow with a new batch better 2 holes in your arm then one in the ground
I never use needles. Never have, never will. But thanks for the advice anyway. :)
Its a saying related to heroin you can OD from smoking it to aye, it just means you can always have more you cant have less
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Glad you found what you were looking for just remember to always use with someone and use clean equipment and go slow with a new batch better 2 holes in your arm then one in the ground
I never use needles. Never have, never will. But thanks for the advice anyway. :)
Its a saying related to heroin you can OD from smoking it to aye, it just means you can always have more you cant have less
+1 to you Scottish pal :)
Edit; 72hr rule ::)
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there are two types of heroin user. you have heroin addicts and you have junkies. heroin addicts pretty much exclusively use heroin. junkies tend to use any type of drug or alcohol they can get their hands on at any given time. the problem is that ignorance means that the junkies commonly get called and bunched up with the heroin addicts. and then they give us all a bad name.
seriously tho, don't believe everything you hear in the media, its grossly exaggerated for scare mongering purposes. and don't judge the rest of us from that fucked up tramp you saw lying in a gutter or begging you for change on the street. heroin is a very very safe drug if used properly. less dangerous than pretty much every other drug going.
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This is only my personal opinion but a junkie in my book is someone who lies, steals, robs to get their drugs, i don,t care what the DOC is, if your lying, robbing and stealing to get it your a junkie ;) If you buy drugs from your own money your a drug user ;)
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i've done h and the high is so not worth it. best piece of advice i can give is not to even bother trying. there are far better drugs out there
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i've done h and the high is so not worth it. best piece of advice i can give is not to even bother trying. there are far better drugs out there
+1 I agree ;)
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This is only my personal opinion but a junkie in my book is someone who lies, steals, robs to get their drugs, i don,t care what the DOC is, if your lying, robbing and stealing to get it your a junkie ;) If you buy drugs from your own money your a drug user ;)
Agreed junkies lie cheat and steal i know lots of junkies(ice and heroin) but i consider myself a addict as i work to support my habbit
Any reason you think im scottish that was a aye(A) not an eye(I) (not that im offended as my familys from the uk)
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This is only my personal opinion but a junkie in my book is someone who lies, steals, robs to get their drugs, i don,t care what the DOC is, if your lying, robbing and stealing to get it your a junkie ;) If you buy drugs from your own money your a drug user ;)
Agreed junkies lie cheat and steal i know lots of junkies(ice and heroin) but i consider myself a addict as i work to support my habbit
Any reason you think im scottish that was a aye(A) not an eye(I) (not that im offended as my familys from the uk)
Yeah i,m Scottish and i say "Aye" for yes lol ;)
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Glad you found what you were looking for just remember to always use with someone and use clean equipment and go slow with a new batch better 2 holes in your arm then one in the ground
I never use needles. Never have, never will. But thanks for the advice anyway. :)
Its a saying related to heroin you can OD from smoking it to aye, it just means you can always have more you cant have less
I understand.
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i've done h and the high is so not worth it. best piece of advice i can give is not to even bother trying. there are far better drugs out there
Okay list those, please, because I am very strange when it comes to drugs. For example, I tried meth once or twice and it made me hungry and sleepy, lol. There are very few drugs I like or that "agree" with me. I am a very moderate user, but I do like to feel good once in a while, and good H does accomplish that and gives me a few pain free, feel good moments. I believe I have a very natural high tolerance and I don't enjoy most drugs that other people rave about and/or enjoy. I always joke and say, "I want a new drug." lol
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This is only my personal opinion but a junkie in my book is someone who lies, steals, robs to get their drugs, i don,t care what the DOC is, if your lying, robbing and stealing to get it your a junkie ;) If you buy drugs from your own money your a drug user ;)
Agreed junkies lie cheat and steal i know lots of junkies(ice and heroin) but i consider myself a addict as i work to support my habbit
Any reason you think im scottish that was a aye(A) not an eye(I) (not that im offended as my familys from the uk)
Yeah i,m Scottish and i say "Aye" for yes lol ;)
Im australian so i say aye for hey as in "thats cheap hey"
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i've done h and the high is so not worth it. best piece of advice i can give is not to even bother trying. there are far better drugs out there
Okay list those, please, because I am very strange when it comes to drugs. For example, I tried meth once or twice and it made me hungry and sleepy, lol. There are very few drugs I like or that "agree" with me. I am a very moderate user, but I do like to feel good once in a while, and good H does accomplish that and gives me a few pain free, feel good moments. I believe I have a very natural high tolerance and I don't enjoy most drugs that other people rave about and/or enjoy. I always joke and say, "I want a new drug." lol
The thing is everyones different if they werent there would inly be uppers or downers as everyone has there own preferance saqying heroins not worth it is silly as i love heroin but i know people who dont but love meth when i was young it was uppers all the way pills coke speed meth anything but now i much prefer a downer heroin benzos pot its all about personal preferance and finding what you enjoy and you said you use heroin for pain relief and you wont find a better drug for that hence why medical industry uses opiates for pain
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Okay list those, please, because I am very strange when it comes to drugs. For example, I tried meth once or twice and it made me hungry and sleepy, lol. There are very few drugs I like or that "agree" with me. I am a very moderate user, but I do like to feel good once in a while, and good H does accomplish that and gives me a few pain free, feel good moments. I believe I have a very natural high tolerance and I don't enjoy most drugs that other people rave about and/or enjoy. I always joke and say, "I want a new drug." lol
have you tried psychedelics? i saw listings for al-lad and lsz (both lsd analogues) and i'm quite curious. i can recommend mescaline. it's definitely my favourite.
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Ok here we go.
#4 is the most refined it has been through 4 proccesses it is good to IV smoke or snort but can easily be cut with other products
#3 is leess refined only 3 proccesses it is better to smoke but stilll good to IV need acid to dissolve to IV harder to cut but less pure because of imperfections left prom 1 less refine process
#2 Black tar only 2 processes very dirty good to smoke but i dont IV due to dirtyness
#1 opium
Wait a minute here. I thought #4 was an opioid. Same as oxycontin, vicodin, dilaudid, etc., only stronger. Opioids are man's attempt at copying and mass-producing the natural growing poppy seeds. There's only one difference between opioids and opiates. That is that on the molecular level opioids have one extra molecule in their molecular structure as opposed to opiates from the poppy plant only having 12 molecules in their molecular structure. In other words i always thought that put oxycodone, hydrocone, hydromorphone, etc, including china white in the same class as a designer drug.
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I cannot imagine ever doing H. I think it's got to be one of the worst drugs you can possibly do. Each to their own, however.
I personally do not care for opiates in general, being a stim kind of guy, however, even among opiates, herion is a pretty crappy one in particular.
Why use heroin when you can easily synthesize things like fentanyl, dulexatine and gabapentin, which when combined, provide ridiculous levels of pain relief.
To understand how to synthesize drugs, search a torrent site for "Total Synthesis 2" and related books, in addition to general books on chemical synthesis and organic chemistry.
Please be advised that many chemical synthesis processes are inherently dangerous due to extremely toxic or caustic gasses or by-products that may be deadly if mishandled or disposed of improperly.
Take steps to neutralize or otherwise deactivate chemicals you dont need, so they dont become a hazard to you later. Gas masks and other lab safety equipment such as gloves and emergency eyewash showers and such are very much worth the money. Don't skimp on safety!
However, chemical synthesis for fun and profit is a very lucerative and enjoyable hobby, so don't assume you are too stupid too synthesize chemicals such as drugs.
All it requires is growing a pair and pushing onself to learn despite adversity.
The ultimate rejection of the State and Authority is to learn despite them.
Organic Chemistry and Math is fun! Don't let the State win by letting them make you hate math and chemistry!
Chem cooks are also sexy. If you can cook drugs, you get all the girls, especially the ones who love money and drugs.
Consider it.
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Ok here we go.
#4 is the most refined it has been through 4 proccesses it is good to IV smoke or snort but can easily be cut with other products
#3 is leess refined only 3 proccesses it is better to smoke but stilll good to IV need acid to dissolve to IV harder to cut but less pure because of imperfections left prom 1 less refine process
#2 Black tar only 2 processes very dirty good to smoke but i dont IV due to dirtyness
#1 opium
Wait a minute here. I thought #4 was an opioid. Same as oxycontin, vicodin, dilaudid, etc., only stronger. Opioids are man's attempt at copying and mass-producing the natural growing poppy seeds. There's only one difference between opioids and opiates. That is that on the molecular level opioids have one extra molecule in their molecular structure as opposed to opiates from the poppy plant only having 12 molecules in their molecular structure. In other words i always thought that put oxycodone, hydrocone, hydromorphone, etc, including china white in the same class as a designer drug.
No #4 is the most refined heroin(opium) you can get
The problem is people make heroin powder out of codeine fentanyl etc and sell it as heroin#4 but it doesnt give the same high and whenIVing itches like all fuck
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Here in the states, the western half of the US is dominated by BTH, due to the mexican cartels controlling all manufacture and distribution of heroin and almost any other drug found in the western US.
I suspect, though cannot prove, that Mexican cartel staff and representatives have gay sex with DEA and LE every day and night, even in the dirty alleys behind the government office buildings and on the boardroom conference table and under the executive desks.
It would explain so much.
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Here in the states, the western half of the US is dominated by BTH, due to the mexican cartels controlling all manufacture and distribution of heroin and almost any other drug found in the western US.
I suspect, though cannot prove, that Mexican cartel staff and representatives have gay sex with DEA and LE every day and night, even in the dirty alleys behind the government office buildings and on the boardroom conference table and under the executive desks.
It would explain so much.
Don't forget the slumber parties where they masturbate while watching the movie Roadhouse Patrick Swayze!
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This is only my personal opinion but a junkie in my book is someone who lies, steals, robs to get their drugs, i don,t care what the DOC is, if your lying, robbing and stealing to get it your a junkie ;) If you buy drugs from your own money your a drug user ;)
a drug addict will steal if he's fiending and has no other way to acquire the drug. but a junkie will usually steal anyway just to get more and more. junkies are nearly always the sort that will rob their own families , old people or friends. they don't give a fuck about anything other than more and more drugs for themselves.
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I cannot imagine ever doing H. I think it's got to be one of the worst drugs you can possibly do. Each to their own, however.
I personally do not care for opiates in general, being a stim kind of guy, however, even among opiates, herion is a pretty crappy one in particular.
Why use heroin when you can easily synthesize things like fentanyl, dulexatine and gabapentin, which when combined, provide ridiculous levels of pain relief.
To understand how to synthesize drugs, search a torrent site for "Total Synthesis 2" and related books, in addition to general books on chemical synthesis and organic chemistry.
Please be advised that many chemical synthesis processes are inherently dangerous due to extremely toxic or caustic gasses or by-products that may be deadly if mishandled or disposed of improperly.
Take steps to neutralize or otherwise deactivate chemicals you dont need, so they dont become a hazard to you later. Gas masks and other lab safety equipment such as gloves and emergency eyewash showers and such are very much worth the money. Don't skimp on safety!
However, chemical synthesis for fun and profit is a very lucerative and enjoyable hobby, so don't assume you are too stupid too synthesize chemicals such as drugs.
All it requires is growing a pair and pushing onself to learn despite adversity.
The ultimate rejection of the State and Authority is to learn despite them.
Organic Chemistry and Math is fun! Don't let the State win by letting them make you hate math and chemistry!
Chem cooks are also sexy. If you can cook drugs, you get all the girls, especially the ones who love money and drugs.
Consider it.
I do like fentanyl. That is one of the few others that provides pain relief . I also like opiates, because they actually give me energy vs. make me feel drugged or tired. Maybe because of the pain relief? IDK. I don't like Valium or any drugs that make me sleepy, because I already struggle with my energy level. And stimulants do nothing for me even though they did years ago.
I was thinking of trying out SunWus Fent powder and making my own nasal spray. lol
Oh, and when you say "chem cooks are sexy," I only imagine Walter White in his tighty whities. lol! ;) :)
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I cannot imagine ever doing H. I think it's got to be one of the worst drugs you can possibly do. Each to their own, however.
Chem cooks are also sexy. If you can cook drugs, you get all the girls, especially the ones who love money and drugs.
Consider it.
I do like fentanyl. That is one of the few others that provides pain relief . I also like opiates, because they actually give me energy vs. make me feel drugged or tired. Maybe because of the pain relief? IDK. I don't like Valium or any drugs that make me sleepy, because I already struggle with my energy level. And stimulants do nothing for me even though they did years ago.
I was thinking of trying out SunWus Fent powder and making my own nasal spray. lol
Oh, and when you say "chem cooks are sexy," I only imagine Walter White in his tighty whities. lol! ;) :)
or mickey rourke in spun
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofT_OcD1or0
^^^warning clearnet^^^
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I cannot imagine ever doing H. I think it's got to be one of the worst drugs you can possibly do. Each to their own, however.
I personally do not care for opiates in general, being a stim kind of guy, however, even among opiates, herion is a pretty crappy one in particular.
Why use heroin when you can easily synthesize things like fentanyl, dulexatine and gabapentin, which when combined, provide ridiculous levels of pain relief.
To understand how to synthesize drugs, search a torrent site for "Total Synthesis 2" and related books, in addition to general books on chemical synthesis and organic chemistry.
Please be advised that many chemical synthesis processes are inherently dangerous due to extremely toxic or caustic gasses or by-products that may be deadly if mishandled or disposed of improperly.
Take steps to neutralize or otherwise deactivate chemicals you dont need, so they dont become a hazard to you later. Gas masks and other lab safety equipment such as gloves and emergency eyewash showers and such are very much worth the money. Don't skimp on safety!
However, chemical synthesis for fun and profit is a very lucerative and enjoyable hobby, so don't assume you are too stupid too synthesize chemicals such as drugs.
All it requires is growing a pair and pushing onself to learn despite adversity.
The ultimate rejection of the State and Authority is to learn despite them.
Organic Chemistry and Math is fun! Don't let the State win by letting them make you hate math and chemistry!
Chem cooks are also sexy. If you can cook drugs, you get all the girls, especially the ones who love money and drugs.
Consider it.
Why would you synthesize fentanyl when you can get it in prescription med form lab grade quality( be careful using as is easy to OD)
And when it comes to benzos they are not pain killers, they are used in conjunction with opiate/opioids to increase there effects
And if you aare after a med grage opioid pain killer look into pethidine 100% stronger then morphine it is amazing stuff
This is only my personal opinion but a junkie in my book is someone who lies, steals, robs to get their drugs, i don,t care what the DOC is, if your lying, robbing and stealing to get it your a junkie ;) If you buy drugs from your own money your a drug user ;)
a drug addict will steal if he's fiending and has no other way to acquire the drug. but a junkie will usually steal anyway just to get more and more. junkies are nearly always the sort that will rob their own families , old people or friends. they don't give a fuck about anything other than more and more drugs for themselves.
Im a drug addict (HEROIN) and i dont steal i work to support my habit, and i know plenty of people who use drugs everyday and dont steal either, a junkie will lie, cheat or steal to get there fix but not only heroin produces junkies coke, meth i even now pot junkies
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This is only my personal opinion but a junkie in my book is someone who lies, steals, robs to get their drugs, i don,t care what the DOC is, if your lying, robbing and stealing to get it your a junkie ;) If you buy drugs from your own money your a drug user ;)
a drug addict will steal if he's fiending and has no other way to acquire the drug. but a junkie will usually steal anyway just to get more and more. junkies are nearly always the sort that will rob their own families , old people or friends. they don't give a fuck about anything other than more and more drugs for themselves.
Im a drug addict (HEROIN) and i dont steal i work to support my habit, and i know plenty of people who use drugs everyday and dont steal either, a junkie will lie, cheat or steal to get there fix but not only heroin produces junkies coke, meth i even now pot junkies
i have whenever possible. but there has been times when the habit has gotten out of control a bit and i've gone and lost a job and been left with no way to pay for my habit. sometimes you do what you gotta do. i've never done the low down shit tho. known plenty who have, but personally i've always figured shoplifting was a much easier and less hassle way to get a bag, then screwing over normal people or friends and family.
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Hey hopeful,
Black tar heroin produced in Mexico and is less refined than powdered heroin. BTH is available on the West Coast because the Mexicans control the drug trade to the Western United States. In places like Denver, most of the heroin available is tar, but I have heard there is some powdered heroin #4 available also.
The black tar variety is black (or at least quite dark) and less refined because the producers are using a variation of an older process that was developed back in the late 1800's. I am fairly certain the process that the Mexican cartels are using to acetylate their morphine is a variation on the first process ever discovered to produce heroin. They use acetic acid (basically really concentrated vinegar) rather than acetic anhydride to acetylate morphine.
An interesting side effect of the more primitive process used to produce BTH is that it leaves a large amount of monoacetylmorphine derivatives in the end product (6-MAM, 3-MAM) which I have heard causes a more intense "rush" when injected. The 6-MAM in particular is quite potent and very quick to cross the blood-brain barrier.
The powdered heroin that is available on the east coast is usually from Columbia or Asia (Southeast Asia or Southwest Asia). From what I have heard and read, the powdered #4 heroin is cleaner than tar, but in terms of potency, tar and powder are fairly close these days.
I was always a little confused by the numbering system for heroin, but here is my understanding of it:
#1 = Opium (not heroin, so that doesn't make much sense)
#2 = Morphine (again, still not heroin, so I dunno, could be wrong)
#3 = Heroin freebase (I hear this is what they get in the UK/Europe. It's freebase heroin and requires acidification to make it injectable. That's why ppl in the UK/Europe mix in some citric acid with their heroin before injection. The acid combines with the freebase heroin to make heroin hydrochloride. It's also supposed to be good for smoking in its freebase form -- just as freebase cocaine (crack) is)
#4 = Heroin HCl (heroin hydrochloride, the most refined heroin)
Before the Mexicans got as big into the heroin trade and flooded the western US with black tar, virtually all of the heroin in the USA came from the Golden Triangle region of Southeast Asia. The hill tribes there grow poppies and harvest opium that they sell to traders who in turn pass it along to wholesale distributors who operate laboratories to process the crude opium into morphine and then to heroin. I've seen reports that state a lot of the SEA heroin gets imported by Asian gangs through Western Canada, but I'm no expert.
What I find really interesting is that back from the 1970's to the mid 1990's, virtually all of the heroin on the east coast was coming from the Golden Triangle and was controlled by a Burmese warlord named Khun Sa. He was apparently using funds from drug trafficking to finance a guerrilla army fighting for an independent Shan state. I saw a documentary about the guy recently and it was very interesting. For several decades, this guy was called the "Opium King" and was basically behind like 90% of the heroin available on the east coast of the United States and much of the heroin available across the globe.
One thing I saw about this guy that really sums up the farce that is the "war on drugs" is how the US and Australian governments handled his offer to cease selling his product on the open market. Here's a copy/paste from Wikipedia that explains what he offered:
"In 1988, Khun Sa was interviewed by Australian journalist Stephen Rice, who had crossed the border from Thailand into Burma illegally. Khun Sa offered to sell his entire heroin crop to the Australian Government for A$ 50m a year for the next eight years, a move that would have virtually stopped the heroin trade into both Australia and the United States overnight. The Australian Government rejected the offer, with Senator Gareth Evans declaring: “The Australian Government is simply not in the business of paying criminals to refrain from criminal activity.”
In 1989, Khun Sa was charged by a New York court for trying to import 1,000 tons of heroin. By then he had proposed the USA buy his entire opium production or he would sell it on the international narcotics market."
That's right, the governments of the United States and Australia had the opportunity to cut off virtually ALL of the heroin flowing into their respective countries overnight for a small fraction of what they pay fighting their "war on drugs"! Of course they didn't accept the offer. I suppose it should be left as an exercise for the reader to deduce why they chose not to.
One thing I'd like to know is what the prevalence of Afghan heroin in the United States is these days. Near the end of the Taliban's reign, the production of opium in Afghanistan was at an all-time low. After NATO commenced the "war on terror" in Afghanistan, the production of heroin has increased like 40-50 fold. The most common figure that you hear getting thrown around is that Afghanistan produces 90% of the world's opium supply. My understanding is that the majority of that ends up in Europe, but I'm sure some of it has to be available in the United States.
Anyway, this post has drifted waaaaay off topic, so sorry about that. I was actually just replying to this in order to add on some posts toward my 50 post minimum, lol...
With regard to the original question -- if any regular users are reading this and would care to chime in, I am curious as to how the effects of tar compare to the effects of powdered #4. Is there one that is more cost effective for someone with an IV habit? I've heard BTH is worse on veins, so is it also cheaper to reflect the fact that is does more harm?
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I am just curious why some like the black tar and others prefer the lighter colored. Does one serve a better purpose as related to methods of administration. Black tar just looks so gross to me, lol. What is the difference and how is it processed to make it look so different? I am just curious.
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you know i bought a small £10 bag of heroin one night about 10 years ago now, in london. when i got home and opened it up i found a small piece of moroccan black, about enough for 1 joint. i got straight back on the phone to my man and started having a go and asking wtf he was playing at. he was like calm down, just smoke it, its gear, you'll see. i'm still thinking wtf when i put the phone down. i looked at it again, it was surely a small piece of moroccan black. i'd sold moroccan black many times before and smoked shit loads of it, so i know exactly what it looks like. anyway i put it on the foil like he said and put a flame to it. i was so surprised when it melted into a nice beetle and i could taste it was smack.
so was that black tar heroin i had that night? ..i wondered if it might be opium at the time coz i'd never heard of bth back then. that is the only time i've ever seen smack like that, never before and never since.
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you know i bought a small £10 bag of heroin one night about 10 years ago now, in london. when i got home and opened it up i found a small piece of moroccan black, about enough for 1 joint. i got straight back on the phone to my man and started having a go and asking wtf he was playing at. he was like calm down, just smoke it, its gear, you'll see. i'm still thinking wtf when i put the phone down. i looked at it again, it was surely a small piece of moroccan black. i'd sold moroccan black many times before and smoked shit loads of it, so i know exactly what it looks like. anyway i put it on the foil like he said and put a flame to it. i was so surprised when it melted into a nice beetle and i could taste it was smack.
so was that black tar heroin i had that night? ..i wondered if it might be opium at the time coz i'd never heard of bth back then. that is the only time i've ever seen smack like that, never before and never since.
All heroin comes from opium is just refined more or less BTH is actually morphine chemically speaking as is very less refines
#3 is slightly more refined and the morphine chemical is adding two acetyl groups to the molecule #3 is still good to smoke but can be injected if desolved using acid and water
#4 more refined again desolved in water only can be smoked but requires caffine added to run properly
Morphine is the cleanest of the lot and all are refered to heroin when used illegally even morphine
Heroin is turned into morphine withing minutes of injecting
PETHIDINE IS amazing rob amblances whenever you get the chance it make fentanyl look like like panadol
PS UK heroin very weak every time im had it but they do get good charlie
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yeah i know all that. but was it possible that one time i had black tar heroin? ..i've no experience of bth so i don't really know what it looks like properly. afaik #3 and #4 and morphine do not come as a dark brown shitty lump that closely resembles cannabis resin ever. what i had that night was definitely heroin of some sort tho.
btw we do get very good heroin here as well. you do get people who cut the fuck out of it, just like you do anywhere else. once you've been on it a while you work out the best places to go. i used to live in west london and found the paki dealers around heathrow airport would usually have some amazingly strong gear. yet you go to the black 'yardie' style dealers on the estate and what you get will nearly always be absolute shite.
i knew some that would cut the smallest amount of heroin in with a shit load of valium or other downers or sleeping pills. then cut that up with powder foundation make up. they figured the very small amount of gear would sort out the users w/d for a very short time, the downers would make them think it was still pretty good heroin coz they'd be nodding out and shit. but the gear wouldn't last too long so they would be coming back for even more. i said an addict would know the difference easy but turned out there are a lot of idiot junkies who haven't got a fucking clue and would buy that shit all day everyday.
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Hey hopeful,
Black tar heroin produced in Mexico and is less refined than powdered heroin. BTH is available on the West Coast because the Mexicans control the drug trade to the Western United States. In places like Denver, most of the heroin available is tar, but I have heard there is some powdered heroin #4 available also.
The black tar variety is black (or at least quite dark) and less refined because the producers are using a variation of an older process that was developed back in the late 1800's. I am fairly certain the process that the Mexican cartels are using to acetylate their morphine is a variation on the first process ever discovered to produce heroin. They use acetic acid (basically really concentrated vinegar) rather than acetic anhydride to acetylate morphine.
An interesting side effect of the more primitive process used to produce BTH is that it leaves a large amount of monoacetylmorphine derivatives in the end product (6-MAM, 3-MAM) which I have heard causes a more intense "rush" when injected. The 6-MAM in particular is quite potent and very quick to cross the blood-brain barrier.
The powdered heroin that is available on the east coast is usually from Columbia or Asia (Southeast Asia or Southwest Asia). From what I have heard and read, the powdered #4 heroin is cleaner than tar, but in terms of potency, tar and powder are fairly close these days.
I was always a little confused by the numbering system for heroin, but here is my understanding of it:
#1 = Opium (not heroin, so that doesn't make much sense)
#2 = Morphine (again, still not heroin, so I dunno, could be wrong)
#3 = Heroin freebase (I hear this is what they get in the UK/Europe. It's freebase heroin and requires acidification to make it injectable. That's why ppl in the UK/Europe mix in some citric acid with their heroin before injection. The acid combines with the freebase heroin to make heroin hydrochloride. It's also supposed to be good for smoking in its freebase form -- just as freebase cocaine (crack) is)
#4 = Heroin HCl (heroin hydrochloride, the most refined heroin)
Before the Mexicans got as big into the heroin trade and flooded the western US with black tar, virtually all of the heroin in the USA came from the Golden Triangle region of Southeast Asia. The hill tribes there grow poppies and harvest opium that they sell to traders who in turn pass it along to wholesale distributors who operate laboratories to process the crude opium into morphine and then to heroin. I've seen reports that state a lot of the SEA heroin gets imported by Asian gangs through Western Canada, but I'm no expert.
What I find really interesting is that back from the 1970's to the mid 1990's, virtually all of the heroin on the east coast was coming from the Golden Triangle and was controlled by a Burmese warlord named Khun Sa. He was apparently using funds from drug trafficking to finance a guerrilla army fighting for an independent Shan state. I saw a documentary about the guy recently and it was very interesting. For several decades, this guy was called the "Opium King" and was basically behind like 90% of the heroin available on the east coast of the United States and much of the heroin available across the globe.
One thing I saw about this guy that really sums up the farce that is the "war on drugs" is how the US and Australian governments handled his offer to cease selling his product on the open market. Here's a copy/paste from Wikipedia that explains what he offered:
"In 1988, Khun Sa was interviewed by Australian journalist Stephen Rice, who had crossed the border from Thailand into Burma illegally. Khun Sa offered to sell his entire heroin crop to the Australian Government for A$ 50m a year for the next eight years, a move that would have virtually stopped the heroin trade into both Australia and the United States overnight. The Australian Government rejected the offer, with Senator Gareth Evans declaring: “The Australian Government is simply not in the business of paying criminals to refrain from criminal activity.”
In 1989, Khun Sa was charged by a New York court for trying to import 1,000 tons of heroin. By then he had proposed the USA buy his entire opium production or he would sell it on the international narcotics market."
That's right, the governments of the United States and Australia had the opportunity to cut off virtually ALL of the heroin flowing into their respective countries overnight for a small fraction of what they pay fighting their "war on drugs"! Of course they didn't accept the offer. I suppose it should be left as an exercise for the reader to deduce why they chose not to.
One thing I'd like to know is what the prevalence of Afghan heroin in the United States is these days. Near the end of the Taliban's reign, the production of opium in Afghanistan was at an all-time low. After NATO commenced the "war on terror" in Afghanistan, the production of heroin has increased like 40-50 fold. The most common figure that you hear getting thrown around is that Afghanistan produces 90% of the world's opium supply. My understanding is that the majority of that ends up in Europe, but I'm sure some of it has to be available in the United States.
Anyway, this post has drifted waaaaay off topic, so sorry about that. I was actually just replying to this in order to add on some posts toward my 50 post minimum, lol...
With regard to the original question -- if any regular users are reading this and would care to chime in, I am curious as to how the effects of tar compare to the effects of powdered #4. Is there one that is more cost effective for someone with an IV habit? I've heard BTH is worse on veins, so is it also cheaper to reflect the fact that is does more harm?
-DM
I am just curious why some like the black tar and others prefer the lighter colored. Does one serve a better purpose as related to methods of administration. Black tar just looks so gross to me, lol. What is the difference and how is it processed to make it look so different? I am just curious.
Wow, a very informative and interesting post. Thanks for explaining that to me, and for the interesting story.
I am not really after the "rush" or even the euphoria, although I enjoy an afternoon or evening of "feeling good" as much as the next person. The greatest benefit for me is the pain relief and being able to function. I take such tiny amounts it is laughable, yet enough, because I do have a tolerance from pills. I never expected so many replies to this post, lol! :)
Have a wonderful day, everyone!
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That squidgy black heroin you talk of was in my area about 10 years ago,maybe 15 but it wasnt bth.bth is hard and has to be shaved with a blade to get it into powder.I really haven't a clue what is was but I was dubious at first too.It was hard to break down too.
Also d0peymeans number rating is spot on.
#4 is the best but its bloody expensive.also,if you can run it on foil,it isnt a true #4
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Personally, I like black tar heroin better than #4. Someone earlier said bth is not heroin but morphine. This is incorrect. Also the average purity of bth is also 30%. There are also more opioids in bth than just diamorphine and I think it makes for a more dynamic high.
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That squidgy black heroin you talk of was in my area about 10 years ago,maybe 15 but it wasnt bth.bth is hard and has to be shaved with a blade to get it into powder.I really haven't a clue what is was but I was dubious at first too.It was hard to break down too.
Also d0peymeans number rating is spot on.
#4 is the best but its bloody expensive.also,if you can run it on foil,it isnt a true #4
if you're replying to me, then 10 year ago was about right yes, maybe even 12. but it wasn't squidgy what i had, it was quite hard, i seriously thought it was a joints worth of black rocky(hash) at first. i even called the cunt back complaining and he said put it on the foil and try it. so i did and it melted just like gear. that was when i was in w london area