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Market => Product requests => Topic started by: highchemicals on January 27, 2012, 11:34 pm
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Hello,
We are one of the biggest RC shop in Russia.
After new legal ban we are searching for new legal alternative for psychedelic drug.
So we are interested in PRO-LAD and ALD52 or ETH-LAD , LSZ etc.
We have big demand on this kind of product.
If you have any proposition please mail on 0616164 at gmail com
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Uh, idk if this is the right place to post that. We're all looking for that stuff, too. If anybody knew how to get and transport it well, it would certainly be for sale around here.
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huh? None of those things really exist out-there and none of them are LEGAL according to the
Federal Analog Act, 21 U.S.C. § 813
You have to make LSD first for all of those so why would you expect them to be legal or practically available?
I feel like you didn't understand. OP doesn't care about the Federal Analog Act, because he's based in Russia.
As for the synthesis, everybody always explains that LSD is the precursor for those drugs, and I'd probably argue that it's not the ONLY precursor. I'd bet that there are other methods of synthesis (just how there are various methods of synthesis for the more popular drugs) that just haven't been discovered yet because of a lack of ubiquity of the product. If someone could demonstrate a synthesis that didn't require LSD as an intermediate, things might look up.
And we're on an anonymous drug-selling forum; I can understand why he might care about legality if he's selling them at an RC shop, but why would any of us?
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huh? None of those things really exist out-there and none of them are LEGAL according to the
Federal Analog Act, 21 U.S.C. § 813
You have to make LSD first for all of those so why would you expect them to be legal or practically available?
I feel like you didn't understand. OP doesn't care about the Federal Analog Act, because he's based in Russia.
As for the synthesis, everybody always explains that LSD is the precursor for those drugs, and I'd probably argue that it's not the ONLY precursor. I'd bet that there are other methods of synthesis (just how there are various methods of synthesis for the more popular drugs) that just haven't been discovered yet because of a lack of ubiquity of the product. If someone could demonstrate a synthesis that didn't require LSD as an intermediate, things might look up.
And we're on an anonymous drug-selling forum; I can understand why he might care about legality if he's selling them at an RC shop, but why would any of us?
Thank you for clear replay.
I've also read that where is other methods of synthesis for this chemical. Moreover i do find on the French Psychonaut forum that some of RC seller are already start to sell it.
Here is the link: http://www.psychonaut.com/post-44385.html?f=97&sid=5215041ed534cd15155d4b2f3f3003bf
On the page you can also find an chines HPLC for this product and some indication to find a shop.
http://www.hapshack.com/?v=DY2gF.jpg
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huh? None of those things really exist out-there and none of them are LEGAL according to the
Federal Analog Act, 21 U.S.C. § 813
You have to make LSD first for all of those so why would you expect them to be legal or practically available?
I've also read that where is other methods of synthesis for this chemical.
Interesting. I have always thought it has to go through LSD. Any links to alternate synthesis ?
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Someone correct me if I'm out of place here, but, it seems like this guy just wants to buy shit that's easier to get than acid, then pass it off as acid on unwitting, unsuspecting consumers. A lot of the LSD analogues are much less potent than LSD, and I think that's what you're getting when you get bunk acid and you kinda trip, but it's really weak and feels dirty, idk though, that's just speculation. Again, sorry if this offends the OP. Just wondering aloud.
Sorry but we need this chemical for RC market not for illegal sells, so even if it s less potent i don t care. After recent legal ban all 2c-x and tryptamine become illegal so we are searching for alternative, the market is hutch . Nobody want to pass PRO LAD or ALD52 for LSD!
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huh? None of those things really exist out-there and none of them are LEGAL according to the
Federal Analog Act, 21 U.S.C. § 813
You have to make LSD first for all of those so why would you expect them to be legal or practically available?
I've also read that where is other methods of synthesis for this chemical.
Interesting. I have always thought it has to go through LSD. Any links to alternate synthesis ?
i'll try to find some sources
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Someone correct me if I'm out of place here, but, it seems like this guy just wants to buy shit that's easier to get than acid, then pass it off as acid on unwitting, unsuspecting consumers. A lot of the LSD analogues are much less potent than LSD, and I think that's what you're getting when you get bunk acid and you kinda trip, but it's really weak and feels dirty, idk though, that's just speculation. Again, sorry if this offends the OP. Just wondering aloud.
Sorry but we need this chemical for RC market not for illegal sells, so even if it s less potent i don t care. After recent legal ban all 2c-x and tryptamine become illegal so we are searching for alternative, the market is hutch . Nobody want to pass PRO LAD or ALD52 for LSD!
No, I'm sure plenty of people would love to pass off the RC versions for their illegal coutnerparts; plenty of people do that with the other RCs. I would love to find the RCs, but only if they're actually what I think they are.
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Who would be stupid enough to email you on gmail...?
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Who would be stupid enough to email you on gmail...?
Man i don t care write me here or PM....
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WTF, lol @ noobs!
being a .ru would make it a million times easier to find these things...
they are not gonna exist in the states, well maybe there is some in Sachas lab-shack but good luck wasting your time and resources
How should you know what exist and what do not exist in states? Some ALD52 have been very popular in 60 and where is some recent trip report about PRO LAD so please stop flooding on this topic
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Im not gonna tell you how I know, so go ahead and keep looking and asking, your gonna get scammed at some point because people will know that your a babe in the woods because your chasing a rumor, thats all ALD52 is...do you know how hard ALD52 is to make?
It was only ever attempted to bypass the law, it didnt work people went to jail and then they just made the analog act anyway.
You cannot even get ALD52 into your mouth before it breaks back down into regular old LSD...
TL;DR....ALD52 was a hair-brained scheme to bypass the DEA and was super difficult to make and was a total flop.
WTF, lol @ noobs!
being a .ru would make it a million times easier to find these things...
they are not gonna exist in the states, well maybe there is some in Sachas lab-shack but good luck wasting your time and resources
How should you know what exist and what do not exist in states? Some ALD52 have been very popular in 60 and where is some recent trip report about PRO LAD so please stop flooding on this topic
Ok. I know about ALD52. Is it the same problem for PRO LAD??
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I think nerf has been incorrectly informed, highchemicals. I don't know if he's trying to troll or what, but it's not appreciated. The analogues are still separate drugs that people can enjoy. Just as I enjoy 2c-i, e, p, etc. while still enjoying b, people could potentially enjoy those analogues separately from the LSD experience. I for one would love to see some, if possible.
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The point is the exploration, man. I don't get why you're being so negative about it. I want to try it at least once in my life. If anybody ever offers it, I certainly will buy some. You're also thinking from a patently United States perspective; different countries have different laws about all of these substances and precursors.
There's actually a possibility I might become an organic chemist; chemistry is a different interest of mine I've been considering fully investigating at some point. If I ever do make any LSD analogues, though, I'll remember all of you guys, and list some of them up since we haven't seen them around here and I think they'd be appreciated. =]
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Well the for DEA you can do a distillation of DEET, the commercially available mosquito repellant, pretty straightforward. And for the erogt derivative, there's actually a species of grass native to north america, the name of which eludes me, but that actually contains a small % of ergine, and several other ergot alkaloids. So, you could take your lawn up, replace it with this ergine-containing grass, and then just save the cuttings everytime you mow the lawn, lol. You'd have to do a LOT of extraction and chromatography, but hey, it would be much cheaper than going to 3rd world countries for ergotamine lol! Not exactly practical, but still, it's possible ^.^
I'm not chemist but don't you extract the ergot alkaloids from... ergot? The fungus that grows on rye? It was either rye or wheat...
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huh? None of those things really exist out-there and none of them are LEGAL according to the
Federal Analog Act, 21 U.S.C. § 813
You have to make LSD first for all of those so why would you expect them to be legal or practically available?
I feel like you didn't understand. OP doesn't care about the Federal Analog Act, because he's based in Russia.
As for the synthesis, everybody always explains that LSD is the precursor for those drugs, and I'd probably argue that it's not the ONLY precursor. I'd bet that there are other methods of synthesis (just how there are various methods of synthesis for the more popular drugs) that just haven't been discovered yet because of a lack of ubiquity of the product. If someone could demonstrate a synthesis that didn't require LSD as an intermediate, things might look up.
And we're on an anonymous drug-selling forum; I can understand why he might care about legality if he's selling them at an RC shop, but why would any of us?
Thank you for clear replay.
I've also read that where is other methods of synthesis for this chemical. Moreover i do find on the French Psychonaut forum that some of RC seller are already start to sell it.
Here is the link: http://www.psychonaut.com/post-44385.html?f=97&sid=5215041ed534cd15155d4b2f3f3003bf
On the page you can also find an chines HPLC for this product and some indication to find a shop.
http://www.hapshack.com/?v=DY2gF.jpg
How do you get full access to the psychonaut forum? After registering on there it says that I am not authorized to view that page.
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luckymobility, the page worked fine yesterday. I'm guessing the thread attracted heat and they've closed it.
highchemicals, thank you very much. Looking forward to seeing that synth.
doublemint, it's a legal product and pretty much all mails offer the same amount of insecurity. "Hushmail" anyone ?
nerf, it didn't work for Scully and Sand because the blotters were stored improperly (it hydrolized to LSD due to humidity during the trial) by the police. So when they tested it again after being in storage for several months it showed LSD. So the reason wasn't not future body conversion but I agree with you that finding ALD-52 basically anywhere is nearly impossible unless people are working with nitrogen storage units.
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Ergot, the fungus that grows on rye, contains chemicals that are called ergot alkaloids. And what ergot alkaloids basically are, at least the kind were talking about, are various lysergic acid amides. Now, think of the name that LSD stands for, lysergic acid diethylamide. See the connection?
There is also a species of grass that contains lysergic acid amides, just the same way that the fungus contains lysergic acid amides. I'm pretty sure that the grass I'm talking about contains trace amounts of ergine, which itself is considered an ergot alkaloid, even though in this case, it's not coming from ergot. So basically, lysergic acid amides, and thus ergot alkaloids, don't necessarily need to come from ergot. Hope that cleared it up for you Aliahad =]
That it did, thank you very much. Everything in this thread is very fascinating to me.
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I did a little bit of reading regarding ALD-52, it's role in the 60's and such, and also about trip reports. I must say I'm kind of interested in trying ALD-52 now. I'm not gonna like actively look for it, because I already know that it's too hard to find, but if the opportunity ever presents itself I'll definitely take it.
Shulgin went into some detail regarding ALD-52 in TiHKaL, and it seems that it produces a "smoother" trip than LSD for some people. I thought that it hydrolyzes to LSD rather quickly once you take it, but I guess it's more complicated than that.
Interesting.
Ah, TiHKAL and PiHKAL are among the few books I have graced my desk with. Great references. =]
Some part of me wants to try everything he's listed in there, but at the same time I don't think that's very practical.