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Title: DMT- Safety,Long Term Effects, etc
Post by: pennyloaferz on April 27, 2012, 12:53 am
I have tried Dmt several times and have loved it-  I understand theres always the possibility of a bad trip (never experienced one with deemsters, but i know its always possible) and I was talking to a friend in the medical field today about doing it and she was like id do it but its really bad for your brain.  and i said I dont think thats necessarily true.  and shes like uh yea it messes with brain chemicals and shit- im in the medical feild and therefore know more than you about all types of shit.  So I did about 25 minutes of online research- and recieved just about nothing to support this.

So I ask you my friends of the drug world- what are the long term side effects, is there negative side effects like brain damage that can occur from DMT and so on?  I know the smoke is harsh and that tripping and general can produce some mental things if you abuse it, but does DMT eat up your brain, fuck your shit up or whatever.  Im usually not all about proving my point, but she really made a point to try and get in my face about it without any room for debate so I am now really interested in setting this straight. 
Thanks in advance  ;D
Title: Re: DMT- Safety,Long Term Effects, etc
Post by: Reece on April 27, 2012, 12:59 am
Erowid (clearnet):
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/dmt/dmt_effects.shtml

NEGATIVE EFFECTS

    overly-intense experiences
    hard on the lungs to smoke
    slight stomach discomfort
    difficulty integrating experiences
    overwhelming fear
    fast onset and intensity can lead to problems if not prepared (dropped pipe, knocking things over, falling)
Title: Re: DMT- Safety,Long Term Effects, etc
Post by: sdesu on April 27, 2012, 02:55 am
Any long-term effects are almost entirely dose dependent.
Title: Re: DMT- Safety,Long Term Effects, etc
Post by: pennyloaferz on April 27, 2012, 07:03 am
Thats what Im saying- shes an occupational therapist who works with mentally challanged- and i have read up on that shit thats why i was so confused im like am i missing something- glad to hear this
Title: Re: DMT- Safety,Long Term Effects, etc
Post by: randomOVDB#2 on April 27, 2012, 11:23 am
Gable (2007) - Risk assessment of ritual use of oral dimethyltryptamine (DMT) and harmala alkaloids.
doi: 10.1111/j.1360-0443.2006.01652.x

hxxp://www.scribd.com/doc/49462962/2006-Risk-assessment-of-ritual-use-of-oral-dimethyltryptamine-DMT-and-harmala-alkaloids
Title: Re: DMT- Safety,Long Term Effects, etc
Post by: spacewasp on April 27, 2012, 03:23 pm
your friend sounds like a know-it-all

dmt doesn't cause brain damage, thats ridiculous...its a simple tryptamine.  there's a whole mess of tryptamines running around your brain all day every day.

it can be dangerous, but on a psychological level.  ask your friend to cite a study that suggests possibility of brain damage; i guarantee she can't.  matter of fact, ask your friend to cite ANY study she has actually read on DMT.  has she even heard of Dr. Strassman's studies?
Title: Re: DMT- Safety,Long Term Effects, etc
Post by: pennyloaferz on April 27, 2012, 04:20 pm
your friend sounds like a know-it-all

dmt doesn't cause brain damage, thats ridiculous...its a simple tryptamine.  there's a whole mess of tryptamines running around your brain all day every day.

it can be dangerous, but on a psychological level.  ask your friend to cite a study that suggests possibility of brain damage; i guarantee she can't.  matter of fact, ask your friend to cite ANY study she has actually read on DMT.  has she even heard of Dr. Strassman's studies?

I doubt shes done really any research- she wasn't a very good debater there were no points, I just wanted to be like dude i checked it out and um youre wrong- which i did and she wasn't a huge fan of being told she was wrong but it did make me chuckle- sore loser I say
Title: Re: DMT- Safety,Long Term Effects, etc
Post by: seuss on April 28, 2012, 03:32 am
dmt is an endogenous neurotransmitter. u really dont wanna treat it as a recreational drug though. itll bite you one day if you treat it that way. check out dmt-nexus.me/forum on the clearnet. dmt gurus reside there, loads of information too.
Title: Re: DMT- Safety,Long Term Effects, etc
Post by: DiMiTriSpice on April 28, 2012, 11:06 pm
DMT is very safe. I've been smoking regularly for over 10 years and the only side effects have been happiness, increased brain function, and a deep understanding and emphatic connection to the world and it's creatures. It was even approved by the FDA for the Straussman studies. Your friend is severely misinformed.
Title: Re: DMT- Safety,Long Term Effects, etc
Post by: spacewasp on April 28, 2012, 11:23 pm
DMT is very safe. I've been smoking regularly for over 10 years and the only side effects have been happiness, increased brain function, and a deep understanding and emphatic connection to the world and it's creatures. It was even approved by the FDA for the Straussman studies. Your friend is severely misinformed.

hey, just curious....do you know approximately how many times in 10 years have you've smoked DMT? 

I've only had 2 breakthroughs since I first smoked it in 2006.  can't seem to muster up the cajones to smoke enough for a 3rd; i always get half way there and then decide not to cross the line...even in my dreams!
Title: Re: DMT- Safety,Long Term Effects, etc
Post by: DiMiTriSpice on April 29, 2012, 01:39 am
DMT is very safe. I've been smoking regularly for over 10 years and the only side effects have been happiness, increased brain function, and a deep understanding and emphatic connection to the world and it's creatures. It was even approved by the FDA for the Straussman studies. Your friend is severely misinformed.

hey, just curious....do you know approximately how many times in 10 years have you've smoked DMT? 

I've only had 2 breakthroughs since I first smoked it in 2006.  can't seem to muster up the cajones to smoke enough for a 3rd; i always get half way there and then decide not to cross the line...even in my dreams!

Ha ha ha! I don't know man, once or twice a week. Because of what I do I test every new batch that comes out. So, I don't know, thousands. A lot. Peace.
Title: Re: DMT- Safety,Long Term Effects, etc
Post by: risky2 on April 29, 2012, 04:10 am
Lets face it, anyone in the medical field wants you only on their prescription drugs heh. Course they are going to push the brain damage angle. Just keeping up the company line.
Title: Re: DMT- Safety,Long Term Effects, etc
Post by: winterjacket1 on May 01, 2012, 03:40 am
Psychedelics are being reexamined in the medical field. http://bjp.rcpsych.org/content/186/6/457.short

Medicine is largely at the mercy of legal authorities and governing bodies. Regardless of therapeutic benefit your doctor can't just had out illegal substances.

This might be what your friend was refering too: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16342002
I still feel she is misinformed - Albert Hoffman himself said that psychedelics in the hands of inexperienced users in the wrong setting could have profound negative effects on their ego, but their potential benefits in certain individuals outweighs the risks.
Title: Re: DMT- Safety,Long Term Effects, etc
Post by: blackend646 on May 01, 2012, 08:29 pm
For anyone with experience using oil burner pipes, how can I tell when the material is expended? It's not as easy as with MJ, where you know there is nothing left when the ash turns white. I just did an experiment where I waited an hour after a trip and relit the black shit (resin?) covering the bowl, I had 2 more pretty crazy trips. It pains me to think about how much material I must have wasted in the past few weeks.

Leaving a strange taste and numbness in my mouth at this point, is that how I can tell?
Title: Re: DMT- Safety,Long Term Effects, etc
Post by: DivineMomentsofTruth on May 01, 2012, 09:46 pm
For anyone with experience using oil burner pipes, how can I tell when the material is expended? It's not as easy as with MJ, where you know there is nothing left when the ash turns white. I just did an experiment where I waited an hour after a trip and relit the black shit (resin?) covering the bowl, I had 2 more pretty crazy trips. It pains me to think about how much material I must have wasted in the past few weeks.

Leaving a strange taste and numbness in my mouth at this point, is that how I can tell?

I don't know if theres really a way to tell except you wont feel the effects anymore.  Sometimes I think it's all gone because it tastes nasty and I don't really get much vapor/smoke going in the pipe so I put it away and a week later I give it another shot and whoooshhh i'm suddenly shot off a launch pad.  It's hard to tell but I feel like you should be able to notice, say the last time you hit it all that happened was a good body high for 5 minutes, I'd say at that point it probably isn't really worth it to hit it empty anymore...time to load it up again  ;)
Title: Re: DMT- Safety,Long Term Effects, etc
Post by: daeda1us on May 01, 2012, 09:51 pm
Bad trips usually teach you the most about yourself. I'm not sure if this is true about DMT but it definitely is for other tryptamines. As long as you aren't a physical harm to yourself or others, bad trips are just unpleasant and somewhat difficult to shake for a day at most unless you are emotionally fragile initially going into the experience. Psychedelics are my absolute favorite class of drugs.
Title: Re: DMT- Safety,Long Term Effects, etc
Post by: blackend646 on May 01, 2012, 10:02 pm
^ My first experience with a high dose of shrooms ended in a bad trip. I was having the time of my life, and in my excitement started talking about it to someone who ended up saying something that really freaked me the fuck out. It was goddamn terrifying at the time, and I was just looking at videos and shit to try to calm myself down. A friend sent me the music video for "staying alive" by the bee gees. The way they kept popping out of the corners, the way their heads seemed to be shrinking and the ridiculous whiteness of their teeth scared the shit out of me, I was just curled up in the fetal position listening to this song and going completely insane.

I learned from that experience that even the worst of bad trips makes for a hilarious and fun memory. Psychedelics = god tier

For anyone with experience using oil burner pipes, how can I tell when the material is expended? It's not as easy as with MJ, where you know there is nothing left when the ash turns white. I just did an experiment where I waited an hour after a trip and relit the black shit (resin?) covering the bowl, I had 2 more pretty crazy trips. It pains me to think about how much material I must have wasted in the past few weeks.

Leaving a strange taste and numbness in my mouth at this point, is that how I can tell?

I don't know if theres really a way to tell except you wont feel the effects anymore.  Sometimes I think it's all gone because it tastes nasty and I don't really get much vapor/smoke going in the pipe so I put it away and a week later I give it another shot and whoooshhh i'm suddenly shot off a launch pad.  It's hard to tell but I feel like you should be able to notice, say the last time you hit it all that happened was a good body high for 5 minutes, I'd say at that point it probably isn't really worth it to hit it empty anymore...time to load it up again  ;)

Thanks for the input, shame there isn't an easier way to tell
Title: Re: DMT- Safety,Long Term Effects, etc
Post by: DivineMomentsofTruth on May 01, 2012, 10:47 pm
Thanks for the input, shame there isn't an easier way to tell

Ha, yeah sorry I don't have any information that is actually scientific but from personal experience I'd just suggest assuming there's almost always enough in there to do something...sometimes I almost felt like the deemsters would age like a fine wine because by the time I got back to my empty pipe it'd kick my ass unexpectedly .  No idea...i've spent a lot of time contemplating many different aspects of dmt and have rarely been able to  come to any sort of conclusion...just an absolutely intriguing molecule.  If you haven't read "The Spirit Molecule" by Rick Strassman give it a read.
Title: Re: DMT- Safety,Long Term Effects, etc
Post by: blackend646 on May 02, 2012, 01:38 am
I saw the movie but haven't gotten around to reading the book. I actually saw the movie when coming down from a shroom trip. As soon as the guy was done talking about his experience with the city of green lights in the distance I knew I had to get some
Title: Re: DMT- Safety,Long Term Effects, etc
Post by: DivineMomentsofTruth on May 03, 2012, 02:14 am
^
Yeah, I've seen the doc as well..i remember that scene..unfortunately i've only really broken threw a few times.  I don't know why..when I go to church with a few friends everyone seems to be unresponsive for at least 5-10 minutes completely blown away, meantime I'm sitting or lying there ripping the pipe not able to get past lego land...

sorry to hijack this thread OP...
To get back on topic...to me based on person experience and a good amount of research dmt seems to me to be reasonably safe on the brain after smoking it hundreds of times I'd say my lungs have taken a bigger "hit" heh  ...than my brain has
Title: Re: DMT- Safety,Long Term Effects, etc
Post by: pennyloaferz on May 03, 2012, 02:44 am
^
Yeah, I've seen the doc as well..i remember that scene..unfortunately i've only really broken threw a few times.  I don't know why..when I go to church with a few friends everyone seems to be unresponsive for at least 5-10 minutes completely blown away, meantime I'm sitting or lying there ripping the pipe not able to get past lego land...

sorry to hijack this thread OP...
To get back on topic...to me based on person experience and a good amount of research dmt seems to me to be reasonably safe on the brain after smoking it hundreds of times I'd say my lungs have taken a bigger "hit" heh  ...than my brain has

haha all good- all this is great information it was exactly what I was looking for.  Yea i smoked a bit the other day and my lungs were burning heavy when i was playing basketball, but my head feels supurb.  I've never felt any ill effects after with dmt, like sometimes with other shit my brain gets scrambled for a few days and im useless, but i feel mad sharp after- so I kind of always assumed.  I saw the Spirit molecule movie a month ago or so but i was super stoned and got distracted with my drawings so i didn't really get much information with it.

But anyhow +1 to all- incredibly helpful
Title: Re: DMT- Safety,Long Term Effects, etc
Post by: pennyloaferz on May 09, 2012, 01:42 pm
Your lungs are burning?
You dont use the machine or some other thing requiring Brillo do ya?.

no sir- not quite there yet- usually just sprinkled with the weed- but ive also been smoking a lot more blunts as well these days
Title: Re: DMT- Safety,Long Term Effects, etc
Post by: msft1 on May 09, 2012, 05:55 pm
After reading all this, I'm still not 100% sure how to smoke DMT, though I've given my first gram of n,n-DMT a couple tries so far (sounds, visuals, strange beings, no breakthrough yet - too afraid).

It is said everywhere that DMT is very fragile molecule and can be easily destroyed by fire, oxidation, etc. It is said that you can't heat it up with flame directly and rather need to have hot air from the flame rushing through to evaporate it gently. My sources on this are Erowid and various DMT how-tos floating around.

That's what I've done so far (evaporating DMT in glass pipe by rushing hot air through it), and the resulting smoke wasn't so rough on the lungs, but also the experience wasn't as overwhelming as rough smoke would've been (probably for the better since I'm new to it). I guess if I want a real breakthrough, I need to heat it up a bit more (??). I'm afraid to damage the DMT molecules by fire.

The guy who's saying he smoked the black resin left over after smoking - I'm not sure if that's even DMT anymore. Could it be some other chemical by that point?

As far as the health effects of DMT, I've read up as much as there is available and haven't seen a single article claiming any sort of damage to the brain. However, the psychological risk is real, and I'm guessing it's not ideal on the lungs (thought I've never heard of anyone claim DMT is carcinogenic).
Title: Re: DMT- Safety,Long Term Effects, etc
Post by: lastairbender on May 10, 2012, 11:26 am
A friend sent me the music video for "staying alive" by the bee gees. The way they kept popping out of the corners, the way their heads seemed to be shrinking and the ridiculous whiteness of their teeth scared the shit out of me, I was just curled up in the fetal position listening to this song and going completely insane.

Man that is one of the funnier mental images I've had in quite some time!

Gold.
Title: Re: DMT- Safety,Long Term Effects, etc
Post by: DivineMomentsofTruth on May 10, 2012, 08:38 pm

The guy who's saying he smoked the black resin left over after smoking - I'm not sure if that's even DMT anymore. Could it be some other chemical by that point?


I believe you're referring to me..I don't think dmt changes into a different molecule by application of heat..try smoking a half gram with a few friends one night and then hit the pipe the next day..It feels exactly like it did the night before..I just meant sometimes you can leave some left in the pipe without realizing it.

Its usually a nice surprise :)