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Title: datura
Post by: tedrux on June 14, 2013, 09:34 pm
i hear 5 grams is leathel. true or false? I hear its a great high, true or false? is it available on t he road?
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Post by: tree on June 14, 2013, 09:37 pm
Who the fuck would buy datura on SR? It grows wild in many places and you can easily buy seeds on amazon I'm pretty sure (they're also psychoactive). It's not a great high at all and overdoses are extremely unpleasant but not always lethal, you usually end up in a psych ward or something.
Title: Re: datura
Post by: flicky42 on June 14, 2013, 10:43 pm
You heard its a great high?

Datura?

Why do you think you're so smart?
Title: Re: datura
Post by: tedrux on June 14, 2013, 10:51 pm
why do you think i think im so smart?
and yeah, thats what i read. look it up on erowid. its a psychoactive like shrooms
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Post by: fuckingACE on June 14, 2013, 11:11 pm
Actually its a deliriant, quite unlike the psychedelic that is mushrooms. think of one as a pretty trip surrounded by nature and the other as the monsters you see in the shadows when your running a high fever.
ACE
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Post by: RaFaeL5 on June 14, 2013, 11:23 pm
my opinion:
the best datura trip is the one you didn't take!
Title: Re: datura
Post by: tedrux on June 14, 2013, 11:28 pm
how much of it would be a leathel dose
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Post by: touchthesky on June 14, 2013, 11:53 pm
take 5 grams.

let us know how you go.

and stop posting threads. why don't you tell everyone here why you're so keen on offing your life? cause if what you say in your PM is true and you're really suffering that bad. take a fucking knife and stab yourself.

actually I'll just post your pm here for the whole world to see

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I am more or less bed ridden. I was hit by a semi and it shattered my hips and fractured my spine. I can't work now and the disability checks are hardly enough to pay rent in the shit hole trailer. my wife left me and took the kids so yeah...I pretty much have nothing. and its not coming back. please, help me.

I was genuinely concerned for you before on your thread. I saw this PM and I can almost certainly say you're a troll
Title: Re: datura
Post by: tedrux on June 14, 2013, 11:57 pm
im not a troll but that was a lie to try to convince you to help me because you have to lie to people. you cant tell them the truth . they dont beleive the truth. they don't care about the truth. i gotta tell you that i am something that will make you understand how I feel , I can't tell you how I am and expect you to get it. you never will. you'll say 'get over it'. i didn't want to get inot why's and what fores and I clearly stated that.
Title: Re: datura
Post by: tedrux on June 15, 2013, 12:12 am
if you want the truth or think you do then i'll sit here and say more lies that i construe as truth because no one can truly speak truth given perspective is all we have and perspective is relative and truth is not.
also i ramble and i'll lose your attention .
also what i mean for you to perceive i cannot since i do not know your  minds layouts so how can i know where I want to put it?
or what it is since I am me and cannot know what or who i am because looking at yourself through your own eyes is always  a biased veiw. and so on and so  forth.
what words mean to me likely dont mean the same to you
but fuck it.
just htink happy thoughts and we're off to never never land
im autistic. i got picked on. my dad was a crack addict. my mom used to always talk about suicide. my mom beat me with a coat hanger because the drug addict hillbillies our dad forced us to move in with made a disparaging remark to her and blamed it on a similar coment i made to them when i am autistic and dont understand socail situations and thats how my dad taught me to speak.   ive never had a gf and ....fuck , im tired of this shit already. ....ive been over andf over and over it. and your all going to say the same shit i already heard. i dont have any self worth or real friends . im not good at anything or valuable as an employee. i need to change but i dont want to. theres a girl who i wish for but i mean nothing to her. it probably isn't genuine. fine im a nutcase and an idiot . and a troll. just cause im a troll doesn't mean im not seirous. this is what i thinik about all day every day.ive yet to do it but who the fuck knows, tonights a new night.
id really love a simple 'go to sleep gently and not wake up' pill with some hallucinagenics before hand. that sounds ideal. i dont know why you guys give a fuck about my life when i dont and you dont know me. i am toxic,. delusional and obsessive. and shameless. how cold i forget that 'obssessive , delusional and shameless'. why cant you guys make this simple? just say sure buddy, what ever you need were here for you. why assume i cant tell if my lifes worth while or not? why even start to think that mere words can convey every memory and feeling that led me here, every broken thought....? and then we just get into a box of pain and confusion and and anger and shit that makes me look bad. ironically if i show you im a douche bag ass hole who you want nothing to do with , who you think earth is better off without your less lilkely to help me then if i can try to make you identify with me. how FUCKED UP is that? i dont like people and people dont like me. god , if you read my past posts youd know all this shit already. this isnt theraputic. it makes me feel worse,not better. but there. simple form is. no job/no hope for , no gf (healthy relationship) /no hope for, no desire for change (for some fucked up reason)/no hope for. to eat shit and breath isn't a very good fucking reason to be..
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Post by: Internal Freedom on June 15, 2013, 02:42 am
Yah I suppose Datura has a "nice high".

If you get over the fact that most people shit and piss themselves multiple times while on it, have terrifying hallucinations of monsters and dead bodies everywhere, and get a high fever and blurred vision for several days then you'll love it!

I mean... if you're into that sort of thing anyways
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Post by: Psytanium on June 15, 2013, 10:10 am
i have never tried Datura before, but i think i should try it 1 time. according to the experiences in erowid, the negative effects are too overwhelming. but people do it for some reasons, it can alter reality completely and experience insanity.
i think Datura is the biggest proof that reality is nothing than few chemicals and electrodes in our minds.

anyway, what am saying is my conclusion from others experiences, not mine.
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Post by: PerPETualMOtion on June 15, 2013, 11:45 am
how much of it would be a leathel dose

They didn't offer this information on Erowid? Wiki?

A non-lethal dose of datura could be deadly. It causes confusion, along with GI pain and possibly other nightmare situations. Whether angel or devil trumpet, the trip is not one for recreation. At best, it is a weapon. At worst, it would be suicide. I've heard of people consuming some datura with shrooms, but the trip is only mildly tolerable that way.

Best to avoid dangerous drugs. You're better off trying DOx, RCs that carry one hell of an amphetamine-fueled trip.
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Post by: This Is Serious Mum on June 15, 2013, 11:51 am
Not sure about the lethal dose as it depends upon the specific species and what part of the plant you're ingesting.

Suffice to say that the active alkaloids generally present in Datura are ones that can cause  hallucinations in a way where the anchor of normality is cut and a free flight into a fear based oblivion commences.

The journey, according to those that had done it (a few friends of mine) is catastrophically diabolical and emotionally soul tearing.

Not fun at all.

Some people are psychologically damaged......permanently.

Advice. .....steer well away. Have some mdma or a long walk on a beach in a tweed jacket.
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Post by: BlackIris on June 15, 2013, 12:00 pm
i hear 5 grams is leathel. true or false? I hear its a great high, true or false? is it available on t he road?

Yes, usually MORE than 5 grams of SEEDS are lethal (atropine and scopolamine are both lethal after a certain threshold; hallucinogenic/delirant in moderate does, permanent mental disabling at high doses and lethal at more than high doses, that it's usually above 5 grams but if you want to be sure you can take 10 or something). You don't need to look on the SR, you can find the plant very very easily in nature.

Anyway, I gave this information to you NOT to use it but to make you understand to yourself that you don't really want to suicide (no matter how much you can think it consciously now) because elsewhere a simple thing as this you would already know (as for other plants as hemlock or foxglove that are even more potent as poisons). If you really wanted to die you would have already gone to a very high roof of some palace and jumped from that in these 3 months; no money required, very easy to do (you don't need any special thing), impossible to save you.

So, stop this facade, it doesn't make you any good (above all to yourself; the worst thing you can do is lying to yourself, it is this primarily that causes you pain). You don't really want to die (you can THINK you want, but you don't want it), understand it and try to come to a resolution on how to remove yourself from your bad status instead of doing a thing you don't really want to do.

One solution would be to use something that can make you understand your purpose in life as Ayahuasca, for example. I'm already trying to help you in this direction in the other thread. If somebody will help me I will try to make you understand that what you think now is just an illusion of your conscious mind, nothing more.

TO EVERYBODY: If people want to help let's pass the hat to buy this little child some Ayahuasca, it will cost almost nothing and let's give this guy the benefit of the doubt; we have nothing to lose in doing so and if we can really help someone we should IMO. Read the other thread (about cyanide) of the guy and post there in case you agree on collecting money to send him some Ayahuasca.
Title: Re: datura
Post by: mary666 on June 16, 2013, 12:28 pm
lots of people are autistic, please seek help  ;)
Title: Re: datura
Post by: DMtryptamine285 on June 25, 2013, 11:00 pm
Datura can be used safely, in ultra low doses as a dream potentiator it works wonders and can aid in lucid dreaming. Taking datura in delerient doses is asking for a seriously fucked up trip. Its not the scopolamine that is so lethal (although it can be if the dose is high enough), its the atropine (cardiotoxic). If one where deadset on experimenting with tropane plants I recommend solandra maxima as it has alot of scopolamine, and not very much atropine. That said, OP in your mental state you should not be messing with tropanes at all, you think you want to die now.. ha. In a tropane trip you probably would end up killing yourself.

I knew a guy once who ate a bunch of jimson weed, They found him naked in the desert babbling nonsense and thinking he was some kind of animal. They took him to the psych ward and guess what, years later he is still there. In and out of the psych ward, rinse repeat. Still experiencing severe HPPD and schizophrenic like delusions. Do you really want to be that guy. You want to know what delerients are like, pop 15-25 benadryls (diphenhydramine). You will see shadow people, talk to imaginary family members, and be generally fucked up in a not so good way.

Nobody enjoys there delerient trips, although some people can and do use them for psychospiritual reasons they generally have a very strong mind which it sounds like you do not have. Please reconsider such a foolish action, as these things are not to be taken lightly, I don't care how much experience with psychedelics you have. They are nothing like classical psychedelics (ie: shrooms), the only purpose these plants serve is if you truly want to explore the darkest regions of your mind, to straddle the line between life and death after which there is no guarantee you will re-emerge unscathed. Its people with dumb ideas like this that end up as anti-drug news stories. I suggest a little common sense, it can go a long way.

Autism is not the end of the world, I have aspergers syndrome. It can be a gift if you allow it to be, you have unique talents that others could only dream of and in many cases autistic people have a capacity for intellect far beyond anything neurotypicals could ever comprehend. We will always be misunderstood sure, just drop out of the social game if you don't want to play it, the fact is that you don't have to. Be unique and stop caring what other people think. Go get piss drunk and talk to strangers if you want to be more sociable, if they don't like you or think you are weird, who gives a rats ass. Just be you. MDMA could be very very helpful in allowing you to open up to other people. Surely you have hobbies and interests. Guess what, you have the capacity to be better at those things than anyone else in the world, its a gift, use it to your advantage instead of dwelling on the negatives.

Suicide is a never the answer, if you think it is then your simply wrong. Go out and get laid, call a prostitute if you have to, there are plenty of ads on craigslist. Go ask out 100 strangers, by the end of it your social anxiety will melt away, its called exposure therapy. The more you do something your afraid of or anxious about, the less you fear it.
Title: Re: datura
Post by: Andrewbud420 on June 26, 2013, 12:27 am
I had a relative eat a whole ton of those stupid pods.. Ended up in the hospital talking to air for a while.


They grow wild around here like crazy.
Title: Re: datura
Post by: DMtryptamine285 on June 26, 2013, 03:06 am
TO EVERYBODY: If people want to help let's pass the hat to buy this little child some Ayahuasca, it will cost almost nothing and let's give this guy the benefit of the doubt; we have nothing to lose in doing so and if we can really help someone we should IMO. Read the other thread (about cyanide) of the guy and post there in case you agree on collecting money to send him some Ayahuasca.

I have convinced the OP to give mushrooms or ayahuasca a try before resorting to attempting suicide. I would purchase it for him If I had the coins right now but I don't and I wont for a week. If anyone would be willing to send him some ayahuasca or other classical psychedelics please send him a PM asking for his address. He has made it explicitly clear that he has tried everything else and its either this or suicide. I hate to even ask this, but it very well might be the best thing for him at this point.
Title: Re: datura
Post by: tree on June 26, 2013, 12:33 pm
He's already received enough money to buy shrooms but he can't remember his PIN code :P He'll get them when his PIN get reset.
Title: Re: datura
Post by: DMtryptamine285 on June 26, 2013, 07:34 pm
^^ After discussions with other members and numerous discussions in PM, and reading the users posts I am think he is trolling now to be honest. There are much better ways to kill yourself than with drugs over silk road.
Title: Re: datura
Post by: tedrux on June 26, 2013, 08:04 pm
got suggestions? name them. fuck you. im nott a troll. not intentionally anyways. i dont konw what i am. if your so convinced I'm a troll and im not sincere then you'll have 0 problems helping me do it because your convinced I wont. so go ahead- send me cyanide and a syringe and this shit will end.
Title: Re: datura
Post by: tedrux on June 26, 2013, 08:12 pm
DEATH to trolls, DEATH to the ungrateful , DEATH to the truly suicidal- Let all who want not to be here to go and you have a happy world. send me away. please. if you have the stomach kill me with your own hand. or at least allow me to do so.
Title: Re: datura
Post by: RaFaeL5 on June 26, 2013, 08:33 pm
I liked the discussion about Datura,
even if "toƩ" can be a dangerous plant, I still believe "information can set us free".
I think it's a pitty the discussion has evolved into what I believe is just a sad attempt to waste our time.

Please, do keep the discussion(s) at an interesting level or leave this forum.
I would like to add "get a life", but I find this remark a bit scenic...
Title: Re: datura
Post by: DMtryptamine285 on June 27, 2013, 01:01 am
I really do hope you find peace in this world tedrux, and I really do believe you are in a bad place in life. Whatever your troubles may be suicide is not the answer!!! I really do wish you all the best.