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Discussion => Drug safety => Topic started by: kronik42088 on July 26, 2013, 10:41 am

Title: steroid / body building advice
Post by: kronik42088 on July 26, 2013, 10:41 am
If anyone needs any body building (steroid, training, diet) advice, feel free to ask me.

if you could include some info, that would be uselful, eg. stats (age, height, weight, training exp, previous cycle exp), a brief description of your diet and training regime, and what your goals are.

to get things going, here is a good first cycle for anyone (except females):

week 1-12 testosterone enanthate/cypionate 500mg/week (split 2x 250mg pins 3.5 days apart)
week 1-14 Arimidex .25mg EOD (every other day)
week 1-14 HCG 500iu/week (split 2x 250iu)
week 15-18 PCT (starts 14 days after last enanthate pin, or 18 days after last cypionate pin)
Nolvadex 40/20/20/20
Clomid 100/50/50/50 or Toremifene 120/60/60/60 (i prefer torem)

PCT dosages are per day, so eg. nolva week 1 is 40mg everyday, then next 3 weeks 20mg every day.


you can PM me if you don't want to talk on the open forum..

IMPORTANT: steroid use for people under the age of 25 is not recommended due to a developing endocrine system,
but i am not here to judge, as long as you are an adult (over 18, i will not give steroid advice to you if you are under 18..), you are old enough to make your own choices..

p.s. if you like my advice, donations would be appreciated :)

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Title: Re: steroid / body building advice
Post by: kronik42088 on July 27, 2013, 01:03 am
bump

roid rage is a myth
Title: Re: steroid / body building advice
Post by: kronik42088 on July 29, 2013, 02:23 pm
bump

eq is good for oiling up squeaky door hinges
Title: Re: steroid / body building advice
Post by: Operation Shulgin on July 29, 2013, 04:48 pm
Ditch the HCG.  Using arimidex on your first cycle without having sides is just retarded, once you take it you can't cycle without it anymore. Just take it when you get sides.
Title: Re: steroid / body building advice
Post by: modziw on July 29, 2013, 05:17 pm
A guy who is not me, mid 40's, 6' 180Lbs is taking Cypriate .7 ML Intramuscular weekly for general healthful libido and energy.

Nuts shrinking like a motherfucker.  Everything else is great. Shoud he do anything to moderate the testicular atrophy or just say fuck it?

Also, for additional muscle growth when lifting, should he take either more test or anything else? Or is .7 Ml enough already?

So two questions there.

My friend thanks you.

Modzi
Title: Re: steroid / body building advice
Post by: Operation Shulgin on July 29, 2013, 11:34 pm
A guy who is not me, mid 40's, 6' 180Lbs is taking Cypriate .7 ML Intramuscular weekly for general healthful libido and energy.

Nuts shrinking like a motherfucker.  Everything else is great. Shoud he do anything to moderate the testicular atrophy or just say fuck it?

Also, for additional muscle growth when lifting, should he take either more test or anything else? Or is .7 Ml enough already?

So two questions there.

My friend thanks you.

Modzi

You might want to add how much MG testosteron per MLhe uses. I would say 100mg per week enanthate would be good for a good sex life and plenty of youthful energy.

Is this just temp or life long HRT?

Regards, O.S.  8)
Title: Re: steroid / body building advice
Post by: kronik42088 on July 30, 2013, 12:57 am
A guy who is not me, mid 40's, 6' 180Lbs is taking Cypriate .7 ML Intramuscular weekly for general healthful libido and energy.

Nuts shrinking like a motherfucker.  Everything else is great. Shoud he do anything to moderate the testicular atrophy or just say fuck it?

Also, for additional muscle growth when lifting, should he take either more test or anything else? Or is .7 Ml enough already?

So two questions there.

My friend thanks you.

Modzi

his .7ml dose/week (assuming test cyp dosed at 200mg/ml, which would equal 140mg/week) would be for TRT, HCG is needed for this (HCG does more than just stop 'shrinking nuts'), start at 2x 250iu/week, also an AI like Arimidex or Aromasin may be needed, blood work would have to be done for this..

if he wants to 'cycle' then just up the test to say 500mg/week for about 12 weeks or so (or until gains slow down or come to a halt), an AI like Arimidex will definitely be needed for this.. and then once his cycle is over, he can just drop back down to his 140mg/week dose.

with continued use of HCG it's good to take a 2 week break every 12 weeks or so from it..
Title: Re: steroid / body building advice
Post by: kronik42088 on July 30, 2013, 01:02 am
Ditch the HCG.  Using arimidex on your first cycle without having sides is just retarded, once you take it you can't cycle without it anymore. Just take it when you get sides.

hmm... HCG for use on long cycles (over 8 weeks) isn't necessary, but it WILL help with recovery, and an easier recovery = more gains held... and HCG does alot more than just 'keeping your nuts full' ...

you use an AI like Arimidex to prevent sides from increased E2 from occurring.... it is always better to prevent side effects, than to having to reverse them.....

so in short.. sorry but your wrong...
Title: Re: steroid / body building advice
Post by: modziw on July 30, 2013, 04:21 am
A lot of abbreviations I will need to look up.

TRT
HCG
AI

It is life long (recently started like 6 months) HRT. Yes 200 MG/ML Test Cypriate.

Also he noticed nipples got a wee bit bigger and when mentioned the doc gave him Arimidex .5MG every other day.
Title: Re: steroid / body building advice
Post by: kronik42088 on July 30, 2013, 06:12 am
TRT = Testosterone Replacement Therapy

HCG = Human Chorionic Gonadotropin

AI = Aromatase Inhibitor
Title: Re: steroid / body building advice
Post by: modziw on July 30, 2013, 06:31 am
TRT = Testosterone Replacement Therapy

HCG = Human Chorionic Gonadotropin

AI = Aromatase Inhibitor

Thanks, now what if anything will return the balls to normal size for a life-long TRT patient? Not simply a small dose of AI?

And if the TRT patient is also interested in bulking up at the gym, anything else to consider? More Test that the .7?
Title: Re: steroid / body building advice
Post by: kronik42088 on July 30, 2013, 07:17 am
TRT = Testosterone Replacement Therapy

HCG = Human Chorionic Gonadotropin

AI = Aromatase Inhibitor

Thanks, now what if anything will return the balls to normal size for a life-long TRT patient? Not simply a small dose of AI?

And if the TRT patient is also interested in bulking up at the gym, anything else to consider? More Test that the .7?

HCG is used on cycle and on TRT to 'keep the balls normal' (and other things too..), and if he wants to run a cycle, he can just up his test dose to say 400-500mg/week, and for 'bulking' increase calories.

although it is a good idea to have a break from HCG every 10-12 weeks or so..
Title: Re: steroid / body building advice
Post by: Operation Shulgin on July 30, 2013, 12:34 pm
TRT = Testosterone Replacement Therapy

HCG = Human Chorionic Gonadotropin

AI = Aromatase Inhibitor

Thanks, now what if anything will return the balls to normal size for a life-long TRT patient? Not simply a small dose of AI?

And if the TRT patient is also interested in bulking up at the gym, anything else to consider? More Test that the .7?

HCG is used on cycle and on TRT to 'keep the balls normal' (and other things too..), and if he wants to run a cycle, he can just up his test dose to say 400-500mg/week, and for 'bulking' increase calories.

although it is a good idea to have a break from HCG every 10-12 weeks or so..

Might want to teach Modzi on bridging, you don't want his friend to be on 500 mg's of test his whole life  ;D
Title: Re: steroid / body building advice
Post by: kronik42088 on July 30, 2013, 01:25 pm
i think i explained it above, but just to make it clear..

after he is done with say his 12 week cycle at 500mg/week of test, to go back down to a TRT dose, say 100-200mg/week for at least the same amount of time he has been 'on cycle' for.. so say 12 weeks.. and repeat as necessary..
Title: Re: steroid / body building advice
Post by: modziw on July 31, 2013, 01:02 am
i think i explained it above, but just to make it clear..

after he is done with say his 12 week cycle at 500mg/week of test, to go back down to a TRT dose, say 100-200mg/week for at least the same amount of time he has been 'on cycle' for.. so say 12 weeks.. and repeat as necessary..

I am not sure if I am doing the math right. If he is on .7 ML then how much MG is that? 140? Okay I think that's right. Yeah.

He feels better on 1.0 ML but initially (after say 8 weeks) his blood tests showed 1175 total test ad 307 free test so the doc took him down to .7 but then with the testicular atrophy I assume he is producing even less of his own natural test now then when the bloodwork was done so he feels better at 1ML (200MG) weekly More than doc said but he does it anyway.

SO if he wanted to bulk up and workout more (what like two times a day? Same muscle groups? Rotating every three days?) and pound the protein and veggies, the he could increase the test to say double (400MG) but he would have to increase the Arimidex and get his hands on some HCG 500iu/week (split 2x 250iu)?

Buncha questions in there...

BTW Thanks!

Modzi

Title: Re: steroid / body building advice
Post by: kronik42088 on July 31, 2013, 01:19 am
i think i explained it above, but just to make it clear..

after he is done with say his 12 week cycle at 500mg/week of test, to go back down to a TRT dose, say 100-200mg/week for at least the same amount of time he has been 'on cycle' for.. so say 12 weeks.. and repeat as necessary..

I am not sure if I am doing the math right. If he is on .7 ML then how much MG is that? 140? Okay I think that's right. Yeah.

He feels better on 1.0 ML but initially (after say 8 weeks) his blood tests showed 1175 total test ad 307 free test so the doc took him down to .7 but then with the testicular atrophy I assume he is producing even less of his own natural test now then when the bloodwork was done so he feels better at 1ML (200MG) weekly More than doc said but he does it anyway.

SO if he wanted to bulk up and workout more (what like two times a day? Same muscle groups? Rotating every three days?) and pound the protein and veggies, the he could increase the test to say double (400MG) but he would have to increase the Arimidex and get his hands on some HCG 500iu/week (split 2x 250iu)?

Buncha questions in there...

BTW Thanks!

Modzi

.7ml with test cyp dosed at 200mg/ml = 140mg yes

he is not producing natural testosterone atm, his body is getting enough via exogenous testosterone injections, so it doesn't need to produce it's own...

2x a day weight lifting workouts is not recommended, your body needs rest, your body grows while it's resting not while your in the gym...

HCG should be used while on TRT and while on cycle, he should speak to his doc about it.. and yes cycle doses of 400-500mg is fine, Arimidex dosage may need to be increased, but blood work is the best indicator for this..

p.s. your welcome
Title: Re: steroid / body building advice
Post by: modziw on July 31, 2013, 01:58 am
A trip to the doc is in order.

I will let you know what transpires.

Modiz