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Discussion => Drug safety => Topic started by: psychedelia on June 15, 2012, 03:26 am
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I know the set and setting is crucial in preventing a bad trip, but supposing that it's already happened, can anyone recommend some good tips or techniques for getting yourself out of a bad trip?
I have been getting a lot of bad trips lately - mostly panic attacks, body paranoia, fear of dying, but I also get strange fears that don't make any sense to me now that I'm sober, which I can't even describe if I wanted to. I want to be able to enjoy LSD and mushrooms again. :( :( :( :(
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I've never had a bad trip, but the most helpful thing is to remind yourself that you're only tripping and it will all end eventually (the trip, that is..).
You may want to try changing your setting once in a while. Try sitting outside one evening, or tripping with a friend.
sdesu
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You may want to try changing your setting once in a while.
this usually does it for me, but when it doesn't, it's benzo time
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I haven't yet tested this theory because I thankfully haven't had an unpleasant trip since reading it, but someone on here recommended Futurama, sounds like a great idea to me. Nothing scary about Futurama
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You may want to try changing your setting once in a while.
this usually does it for me, but when it doesn't, it's benzo time
1mg xanax, if that doesn't work try 2 and you'll be feeling great :)
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I haven't yet tested this theory because I thankfully haven't had an unpleasant trip since reading it, but someone on here recommended Futurama, sounds like a great idea to me. Nothing scary about Futurama
I use Finding Nemo myself, or practically any Pixar film. ;)
But yeah, everyone's covered to major fixer-uppers like benzodiazepines and reassurance. Preparing myself beforehand that there's a very real possibility things could turn sour at any moment but knowing without a doubt in my mind that I'll be fine in the end is how I work myself through them. My point of view about bad trips is that they build character, so even the worst is never that bad in the grand scheme of things.
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Benzos! ER protocol is IV valium.
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I like taking .5mg of xanax right before I start tripping, it just takes the edge off but doesn't kill my trip at all. You could also take MDMA (100mg) and it will take the "what the fuck" aspect out of the psychedelic which really helps me out personally when I do shrooms.
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Milk, suprisingly, helps alot.
I have only had one "bad" trip. I can't really call it bad though, because I have a funny ass story from it.
I'm not going to go into it all, but I was all alone, and totally forgot I was tripping. I didn't know WTF, hell I didn't know anything. It was like I had just been born for awhile.
There was one point where I was out in the woods all alone at 3am doing jumping jacks as hard as I could. My heart was racing, I could hear it. I decided that I needed to exercise, so my body would keep up with my heart rate. lol. I thought I would die if I didn't. I was even calling out "one, two, three, four" as I did jumping jacks.
I would have driven myself to the hospital, but (thank god) I decided I'd die before I got there.
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Milk, suprisingly, helps alot.
Oh my gosh Orange Juice is fucking amazing too! But yeah, chocolate milk is perfect because chocolate makes people happy and it's delicious and filling. ^-^ I love chocolate milk!
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I had a bad shroom trip one night. I didnt even want to trip but gave in to some peer pressure (what a bitch i know). Anyway the trip came on heavy and i felt out of place. Started going down the bad trip road, so I grabbed the six pack i had brought with me to my buddys house and started chugging. I put down six beers in less than 6 minutes. It totally stopped the bad trip, only now i was drunk AND tripping balls. My buddy saw i was fucked up and sent me on a mission to rack up a game a pool. It took me almost a half hour to locate all the pool balls (they were in their respectful pockets) and rack up the game. I had an awesome night btw. The booze and the fact that I had a purpose (setting up the pool table) took my mind off the bad trip and completely turned it around.
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I've been an avid psychonaut and from my experience, some of the best trips I've ever had started off horribly wrong.
Just chillax and ride the wave. Mixing other Rx certainly takes the edge of and tunes out the demons. Distract your senses with something you enjoy... like music or TV. Psilocybin is harmless. Just remind yourself that when you get lost.
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Sugar helps. So drink or eat something with lots of sugar in it. This will not take the trip away, but it will make the trip a bit less intense.
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The BEST help is someone to comfort that person having a bad trip.
Easier for women as they can connect emotionally - whilst guys and especially younger guys might struggle if a mate hugged you for example.
I have babysat several people on bad trips. One was a women I had just met - so i had to gain trust without coming across like some guy hitting on her. Being narried that is not going to happen or Mrs Red would chop my you know what off. So she says. Think she means it!
So contact with some - a friend, can stop some real bad shit happening.
We always have someone sober when using hallucinogenics.
A few Valium would not do any damage. 10mg perhaps 20mg. Less if they have never had a benzo.
But the benzo takes time to kick in and they need some loving care. Don't be afraid to show love to friends. I mean platonic - caring love - not that 'get your dick out' shit.
Actually - if you have a close relationship with someone sex might do the trick. Take your mind off whatever. But never take advantage - most women on a bad trip want a few hugs is all.
Good luck people and stay safe.
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accept the bad, and the negative will become positive. do not resist. as soon as you surrender control, you will feel better. also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3LO0iKODR0
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I know the set and setting is crucial in preventing a bad trip, but supposing that it's already happened, can anyone recommend some good tips or techniques for getting yourself out of a bad trip?
I have been getting a lot of bad trips lately - mostly panic attacks, body paranoia, fear of dying, but I also get strange fears that don't make any sense to me now that I'm sober, which I can't even describe if I wanted to. I want to be able to enjoy LSD and mushrooms again. :( :( :( :(
You may not be letting go. I mean really let go. You have to take what comes and refuse to try to hold on to your ego, because it's not real. The real you is still unknown to you. Whatever comes, just breathe deep, and accept. I bet that in a little while you will get over the panic and you'll go in deeper than you ever went before, and it will be a marvel.
Neutron Man
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I know the set and setting is crucial in preventing a bad trip, but supposing that it's already happened, can anyone recommend some good tips or techniques for getting yourself out of a bad trip?
I have been getting a lot of bad trips lately - mostly panic attacks, body paranoia, fear of dying, but I also get strange fears that don't make any sense to me now that I'm sober, which I can't even describe if I wanted to. I want to be able to enjoy LSD and mushrooms again. :( :( :( :(
Hey Psychedelia, I experienced something very similar in that I began to have bad and unenjoyable trips when using psychedelics, including marijuana. I used acid, zoomers, and pot all through middle and high school, and quit all of them a few years after graduation. I was in business for for all of it, so when I say used, It was literally constant. That was years ago, and I still cannot use that family of drugs. The paranoia and anxiety is overwhelming.
That being said, I still love my cocaine, MDMA, benzos, and occasionally H ;D.
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if its LSD then the antidote is chlorpromazine.
id try some low dose benzos first, 0.5mg xanax or 1mg ativan
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Benzos are pretty standard, although I believe if you decide to trip you should decide to accept the whole experience. Still though, for those freakin out, nothing wrong with 1mg of xanax. I've found that a big LSD trip cant really be stopped, just re-guided. For shrooms and smaller LSD trips, nothing better than booze. Seriously, I find this is so under appreciated by people. Just grab a six pack or a bottle and all your fear will be gone.
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"You better hope there's some thorazine in that case"
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I've heard that seroquel will almost immediately stop a trip and pretty much know you out. Is this true?
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I've heard that seroquel will almost immediately stop a trip and pretty much know you out. Is this true?
Taking antipsychotics while on a psychedelic, I don't know, it makes me very nervous. I kinda think the interaction would do a lot more harm than good.
NM
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you don't need benzos or antipsychotics to get out of a "bad trip." the minute you accept your negative feelings, they tend to become positive. fighting the negativity will just make things worse.
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At some of our local festivals the SafeStock tent is usually equipped with soft beds, quiet ambient music and lighting. Usually there is a girl or two who take shifts going bed to bed taking care of people and reading short stories and supplying milk regiments (Not from their bewbs) most of the people usually calm down there and get re centered.
There have been a few cases of people extremely disassociated from reality although (acid+shroom+mescaline trifecta) and for the safety of the volunteers and the rest of the people in there they can't be administered into the tent. Sadly, those people are on their own or in the care of good friends, hopefully.
I've had two bad trips which, to this day, still have resounding effects on my apprehension of taking psychedelics. It is very hard to take the dive knowing the possibility is easily real. As a parallel it's frustrating knowing that a good trip would probably solve all of those problems and future occurrences. The main importance is becoming very honest with yourself and those around you.
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you don't need benzos or antipsychotics to get out of a "bad trip." the minute you accept your negative feelings, they tend to become positive. fighting the negativity will just make things worse.
That's pretty much what I said earlier
NM
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Definitely fresh Orange Juice or just eat a few straight Oranges. Not orange juice from a bottle or squash, it HAS to be from a fresh Orange. This will make you crash back to earth in seconds.
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Definitely fresh Orange Juice or just eat a few straight Oranges. Not orange juice from a bottle or squash, it HAS to be from a fresh Orange. This will make you crash back to earth in seconds.
I always thought vitamin c was a psychedelic potentiator?
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Definitely fresh Orange Juice or just eat a few straight Oranges. Not orange juice from a bottle or squash, it HAS to be from a fresh Orange. This will make you crash back to earth in seconds.
I always thought vitamin c was a psychedelic potentiator?
Same here. I usually take Vit C tabs with mushrooms or any other ingested substance for the absorbic acid increase to digest it faster
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I've had two bad trips which, to this day, still have resounding effects on my apprehension of taking psychedelics. It is very hard to take the dive knowing the possibility is easily real. As a parallel it's frustrating knowing that a good trip would probably solve all of those problems and future occurrences. The main importance is becoming very honest with yourself and those around you.
Very insightful 8)
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At some of our local festivals the SafeStock tent is usually equipped with soft beds, quiet ambient music and lighting. Usually there is a girl or two who take shifts going bed to bed taking care of people and reading short stories and supplying milk regiments (Not from their bewbs)
Ah damn, if only. If that wouldn't put a positive spin on a trip I don't know what would. :P
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Definitely fresh Orange Juice or just eat a few straight Oranges. Not orange juice from a bottle or squash, it HAS to be from a fresh Orange. This will make you crash back to earth in seconds.
Read what I said, I said FRESH ORANGES.
It's got nothing to do with the vitamin C, hence Orange Juice won't work. Trust me fresh oranges are a good detox, and quick. I can go from off my face at the height of a trip to safe driving ability in 20 mins.
I always thought vitamin c was a psychedelic potentiator?
Same here. I usually take Vit C tabs with mushrooms or any other ingested substance for the absorbic acid increase to digest it faster
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I've had some very bad trips lately...
Not yet found anything that will completely solve it. I do find eating/drinking sweet things helps as its sometimes due to low blood sugar, also drink plenty of water. Watching simple fun tv shows also helps. I like American Dad, Family Guy, Two and a Half Men (old stuff not the new crap!) among others, but whatever you usually like watching. Also change your lighting. Smoke a little weed, not a lot though, and breathe slowly and deeply in through your nose and out through your mouth.
Having someone close to you to talk to will help too.
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I read what you said.
Oranges contain Vitamin C, so I never would have thought to use them to stop a trip. If oranges help bring down a trip because of other naturally occurring compounds or some other shit thats cool and good to know, but prior to reading your post ive only heard of vitamin c boosting a trip. Will have to give it a try if i ever go down that road again.
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Nice tip about fresh orange, makes you crash back to earth in a few secs? Sounds great but let ya know some trippers plan to get a BREAKTHROUGH from their trips and pulling a calm down would be a waste for them. However it will be great if one wish to discontinue the bad trip.
You should know experienced shroomers wants to feel some nausea (apparently same as some H chippers). The more nausea they feel the more insightful and stronger the trip will be and their stomachs are 'cleansed'.
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I believe it is the opposite.
The acidity of vitamin C in oranges would react with Psilocin (an alkaloid) which would form a salt, enabling quicker absorption into the bloodstream.
sdesu
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Fresh fruit is always included in my arsenal when tripping, oranges and grapefruit especially. I have never had a fresh orange diminish my trip whatsoever. Maybe I need to juice it first? ::)
I have heard that one of the reasons that Vit C is good is because it helps resupply your adrenal glands. Maybe fresh OJ helped your bad trip because your adrenals were exhausted?
I am sticking to my guns, the best thing to help a bad trip, aside from changing set and setting, is benzodiazepines.
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You guys scare me and I'm not even in medical field. Someone's badly tripping (probably taken too much of drug X), so you're suggesting to take drug Y? Hello, interactions (potentially deadly)? May taking drug Y make the situation even worse? For example, drug X causes high blood pressure and drug Y does too, then what?
OP, and anyone who's reading - changing setting, reassuring yourself, or having someone reassure you - helps ease bad trips. Knowing how drug works and knowing potential bad symptoms ahead of time helps too. In other words, be prepared, and don't bombard your brain with even more drugs when it's already in distress.
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Fresh fruit is always included in my arsenal when tripping, oranges and grapefruit especially. I have never had a fresh orange diminish my trip whatsoever. Maybe I need to juice it first? ::)
I have heard that one of the reasons that Vit C is good is because it helps resupply your adrenal glands. Maybe fresh OJ helped your bad trip because your adrenals were exhausted?
I am sticking to my guns, the best thing to help a bad trip, aside from changing set and setting, is benzodiazepines.
Possibly but it's not just one trip and it's not just me. Every friend of mine and myself who eats a few fresh Oranges when we're high as a kite come back down to earth really quickly...
This only works with MDMA, 2C-B and all other drugs that make your pupils huge...
I don't know why, I don't care why, but it definitely works. The fact I'm coherently writing this message here after taking 300mg of MDMA & 40mg 2C-B 2 hours ago is proof, plus I have work soon.... :)
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You guys scare me and I'm not even in medical field. Someone's badly tripping (probably taken too much of drug X), so you're suggesting to take drug Y? Hello, interactions (potentially deadly)? May taking drug Y make the situation even worse? For example, drug X causes high blood pressure and drug Y does too, then what?
OP, and anyone who's reading - changing setting, reassuring yourself, or having someone reassure you - helps ease bad trips. Knowing how drug works and knowing potential bad symptoms ahead of time helps too. In other words, be prepared, and don't bombard your brain with even more drugs when it's already in distress.
I just think of it like using Antidote on my poisoned Pokémon. :-X
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You guys scare me and I'm not even in medical field. Someone's badly tripping (probably taken too much of drug X), so you're suggesting to take drug Y? Hello, interactions (potentially deadly)? May taking drug Y make the situation even worse? For example, drug X causes high blood pressure and drug Y does too, then what?
OP, and anyone who's reading - changing setting, reassuring yourself, or having someone reassure you - helps ease bad trips. Knowing how drug works and knowing potential bad symptoms ahead of time helps too. In other words, be prepared, and don't bombard your brain with even more drugs when it's already in distress.
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/007272.htm - Not only can taking benzos ease your bad trip, they can save your life in the case of MDMA or LSD related serotonin syndrome. This reference doesn't even mention that benzos lower body temperature, which could be dangerously high in the case of too much MDMA or other stimulants.
I do see your point though. Someone having a bad trip who is also on a high dose of alcohol, opiates or other strong sedative should NOT take benzos and should probably send for a bushel of fresh oranges and juicer ;D
Otherwise, benzos seem to be pretty safe with psychedelics.