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Discussion => Drug safety => Topic started by: zipstyle on July 13, 2013, 05:46 am
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So I've never been much into cocaine, but I do like methylone and mephedrone (4-MMC).
I recently got a bullet and LOVE that damn thing for snuff.
But I wanna use the bullet for some more euphoric but subtle substance. I was thinking maybe 4-MEC?
Basically I wanna be able to sit around bumping every 20-30 min or so while relaxing. Ketamine is a candidate and is on the way :)
Does anyone have suggestions for a good brand of snuff or a fun, but chill (most likely stimulant) drug that I can put in a bullet and enjoy the afternoon?
Thanks!
8) ;D
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3-MMC
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Any vendor suggestions ballzy?
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Any vendor suggestions ballzy?
Got some from "uhrwerk" some time ago.
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Any vendor suggestions ballzy?
Got some from "uhrwerk" some time ago.
Thanks!
Would you be willing to tell me a bit about your 3-mmc experience so I can have an idea of what to expect?
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Any vendor suggestions ballzy?
Got some from "uhrwerk" some time ago.
Thanks!
Would you be willing to tell me a bit about your 3-mmc experience so I can have an idea of what to expect?
It feels very similar to meph but coming up and down is a bit smoother.
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Any vendor suggestions ballzy?
Got some from "uhrwerk" some time ago.
Thanks!
Would you be willing to tell me a bit about your 3-mmc experience so I can have an idea of what to expect?
It feels very similar to meph but coming up and down is a bit smoother.
Perfect :)
Thanks for your help!
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Ketamine hands down 8)
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Sweeet. 2g of 3-mmc and 2g of ket on the way :)
I shall report back with the results this hedonistic/relaxing pursuit
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4-MEC also nice :) pretty similar to all the mephs's around here.
** you are aware to the fact that Ket is not really euphoric in the way of coke,meph,mdma etc... but more like a kick to another world? (which is very nice:)
i love ketamine and meph togather "ketadrone". ultra fun.
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4-MEC also nice :) pretty similar to all the mephs's around here.
** you are aware to the fact that Ket is not really euphoric in the way of coke,meph,mdma etc... but more like a kick to another world? (which is very nice:)
i love ketamine and meph togather "ketadrone". ultra fun.
Dangit, I was considering 4-mec. How would you say it compares to 4-mmc?
And have you tried 3-mmc? (If so, what's that like?)
And about the ketamine, I have quite a bit of experience with that interesting little dissociative :D
Quite nice, I must say. And yeah, definitely not like coke or meph or whatnot but still fun :)
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Great was just making sure regarding the Ket, so make a mix and fly, its great!
4MEC - very similar to all the other X-MXX , i just done now a few lines when i was sober to see and was a bit less potent than the meph but cleaner and easier.
(usually i take that during meph sessions so its a bit hard to tell - even now as we speak)
3-MMC also nice, to say the truth, i can really tell with all these names and numbers which was which and which one was better - i just love the whole cathinones family! even the fresh Khat leafs :)
as i mentioned in other threads:
- if its got the cathinone smell
- if its getting me high as a kite
- if it doesn't cause weird side effects
i love it!
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Great was just making sure regarding the Ket, so make a mix and fly, its great!
4MEC - very similar to all the other X-MXX , i just done now a few lines when i was sober to see and was a bit less potent than the meph but cleaner and easier.
(usually i take that during meph sessions so its a bit hard to tell - even now as we speak)
3-MMC also nice, to say the truth, i can really tell with all these names and numbers which was which and which one was better - i just love the whole cathinones family! even the fresh Khat leafs :)
as i mentioned in other threads:
- if its got the cathinone smell
- if its getting me high as a kite
- if it doesn't cause weird side effects
i love it!
I think those are pretty good qualifications microdotter! lol
Also very cool that you've tried Khat! What's that like? And is it like using coca leaves (I've done that before)?
What did you mean when you said so make a mix and fly, its great!
? Did you mean a mix between Ket and cathinones? Like mix em in the same line? ^.^
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Thanks - these qualifications served me pretty well over the years, cause lets be honest, with all the cathinones floating around for the last 10 years no one really knows what hes getting or even vendors don't even know what they are selling. so as long it does what you expect it to do, than all good :)
regarding Khat - its totally legal in my country and VERY common and super cheap (everyone growing it), i use it quite a lot. i did not try coca leafs but from what i understand from friends who did try, its not exactly same - you can say khat its similar to the mephedrone effect but waaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyy more weaker - like take the same effect but only 5% of the strength. you also need strong jaws if you wan to get high real good :)
and ketadron - basically yes, mix them both, calculate the timing so you will have the peak of the meph and the k-hole at same time, great ride! :))
i would do that now if i had any more ketamine, all i had got seized by fucking LE a few months ago.
- also today and even as i write this, i have been mixing wertus rocks with 4MEC (mix both powders together) - and found that also as a very good combination! from some reason it makes everything easier and much less fiendish (although im binging for over 24 already, so....) and just feels less dirty in general.
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Wonderful! Thanks for the advice!
I'll come back with a report on methodology/effects :)
...and maybe a picture :O
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Have fun! Cant wait for the report :)
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Hello!
I am here, reporting back with my results so far with the 3-MMC/Ketamine mixture.
To be honest, I'm not terribly impressed with the 3-MMC. I have yet to *really* feel effects from it. Maybe the doses are too small? I have gotten moderately high from some of it, so I know it's legit.
ANYWAYS.
I made a mix of about 60/40 3-MMC to Ket ratio and that seems to be rather fun, but requires lines in order to be recreational alone. Accompanies other activities well (such as reading, hanging out at home, chilling on the beach, etc). The tolerance thing is an issue though. I do dislike using drugs to no effect, so I guess I'll just have to put these on the shelf for a bit. :P
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Zip could you recommend me a cheap stimulant/euphoria/feel good drug that is cheap and affordable? I can't spend too much at the moment and the best I can afford right now with the remaining btc on my account is 0.5g of ketamine.. I have had experience with it and i'm not sure if it will last long.
Any other chems you can recommend? Basically I just want something I can bump every 20-30 mins like you said as well.. but I'd like to make sure to be able to get some sleep at night lol
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Given the many variables; dosage, setting, quality, experience and so on, it seems hard to generalize one persons fun drug to anothers. A little like what is your favorite movie? Wouldn't it be nice to see "what is your favorite drug" on a security question though? My pat answer is whatever I have in my hands at the time I'm thinking about mind alteration. Which raises the category question of primarily a body type high or rush and the drugs that zone out the mind. Indica vs sativa for example.
I'm much more interested in the body sensations than the mental part but the that's just what I'm used to. Given the amount of trouble I have controlling this bad habit I'm very reluctant to branch out to other areas. We need more scientific experimentation and I'm ready if they need volunteers to study these effects under controlled settings.
Great question,
Mr Clean
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Alright, so could anyone help me out, like I said I've got a small amount of btc left, but i'm not sure which I should get to last the longest and one I would enjoy ... 0.5g of ketamine , 1g of mephedrone, MDPV (Not too sure if i'll get this though), Ecstasy/MDMA..
I've done ketamine before and Ecstasy before, but I feel its down to 1g of meph or 0.5g ketamine...
what about 4-FMA? decisions decisions...
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Alright, so could anyone help me out, like I said I've got a small amount of btc left, but i'm not sure which I should get to last the longest and one I would enjoy ... 0.5g of ketamine , 1g of mephedrone, MDPV (Not too sure if i'll get this though), Ecstasy/MDMA..
I've done ketamine before and Ecstasy before, but I feel its down to 1g of meph or 0.5g ketamine...
what about 4-FMA? decisions decisions...
I'd go with 1g of meph :)
wertu's is pretty damn good, hands down. For ketamine, I like to get AT LEAST 1 g at a time. .5g of k just seems like too little to have for one order.
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Ketamine.
Did I mention ketamine?
In a bullet?
Or maybe you could try ketamine?
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Ketamine.
Did I mention ketamine?
In a bullet?
Or maybe you could try ketamine?
Yeah, ketamine is pretty awesome in a bullet. I've realized it's what I really have come to ultimately like :P
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Thanks :) I think I'll go with 1g of meph then, should I get his pills x5 or the shining white meph 1g?
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I'd get the shining white, but if you can get the flinstone. The pills are a good option, but if you wanna snort the drugs then I'd say shining white or flinstone :)
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im all sbout DMTree
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Thanks zip, i'll go with the shining white then, I hear lots of good from the flinstones, but It costs a little bit more
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im all sbout DMTree
Bumping DMT? You, soulkontroller, are a brave soul (and someone I'd be down to hang out with!). Sniffing the freebase buuurns. It can also seem to produce a sort of allergic itching type reaction in the inner ear and/or irritate the throat. The physical discomfort can be a lot to handle for some people. Cepacol Sore Throat Spray can help with the throat pain. Anyway, it's definitely one way to go. And it lasts longer than smoking and provides a smoother come-up. What amounts do you work with to achieve various states? i.e. How many mg to get into Candyland? How much to "break-through"?
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Ketamine.
Did I mention ketamine?
In a bullet?
Or maybe you could try ketamine?
Yeah, ketamine is pretty awesome in a bullet. I've realized it's what I really have come to ultimately like :P
How many mg does a scoop of your bullet provide, out of curiosity? I've got, if I recall correctly, one that can deliver, on a good scoop, like maybe 50 mg +- 10 mg. A little more than a bump, lol.
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im all sbout DMTree
Bumping DMT? You, soulkontroller, are a brave soul (and someone I'd be down to hang out with!). Sniffing the freebase buuurns. It can also seem to produce a sort of allergic itching type reaction in the inner ear and/or irritate the throat. The physical discomfort can be a lot to handle for some people. Cepacol Sore Throat Spray can help with the throat pain. Anyway, it's definitely one way to go. And it lasts longer than smoking and provides a smoother come-up. What amounts do you work with to achieve various states? i.e. How many mg to get into Candyland? How much to "break-through"?
i never measure just load up the dmtree and coast away
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i never measure just load up the dmtree and coast away
lol, so you're saying you're smoking weed mixed with DMT, then? I originally thought that you were talking about bumping/snorting/sniffing just freebase Dimitri. :D
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LOL! bumping freebase... I mean the taste when smoking it is already bad... I can't imagine the drip when snorting DMT lol!
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Do people ever freak out on ketamine, is it a panic prone drug?
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I highly doubt it! well at least for me, in very small amounts it gives me a little wake up feeling, and the more I take the more... sedated? that I feel? warpyness and comfort? meh
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Do people ever freak out on ketamine, is it a panic prone drug?
It's likely that Ket's dissociative effect might get some people very anxious...not for everyone.
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Do people ever freak out on ketamine, is it a panic prone drug?
It's likely that Ket's dissociative effect might get some people very anxious...not for everyone.
It's psychedelic, right, so the space a person is in could turn towards fear (along a continuum of "rationality"), but it could at the same time (paradoxically) create a space where that feeling/idea can really be examined and seen for what it really is, so then the problem resolves itself.
If someone is really prone to being very anxious and still really wants to try a bump of K and finds herself being overwhelmed with anxiety during the experience and doesn't want to deal with that anxiety, then having like 2.5-5mg of Valium on hand might be helpful for her in case things get too scary. Erowid says not to mix the two! But, my personal experience is that the Valium can take the "edge off". There is a study (PubMed ID of PMC2844443) that says "a ketamine–diazepam combination might be a clinically useful therapeutic option for the treatment of refractory SE" where SE is referring to a prolonged seizure, so it sounds like the combo could be medically useful for someone in an emergency, and that makes me less worried about the combo. Also, keeping the amounts consumed of both on the smaller end would obviously be safer. Anyway, be careful, your mileage may vary, etc. :)
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Dissociative, lol used for horse tranquilizer
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Coming back to report that 3-MMC is fucking great.
Add it to a low to moderate GHB dose or mix it with some ketamine and get ready to feel AMAZING.
It's definitely more mellow than 4-MMC but it has a similar sexual/energetic vibe. There is a warm feeling in the heart region that's just what I'd call "cozy." Nice and warm and cozy buzzing deep in my chest. Mmm. :)
Been taking a break from the ketamine lately since I've built up a decent tolerance to it, and although I doubted 3-MMC, I have just discovered that I wasn't taking enough. You definitely need at least 60-150 mg in order to start feeling that wonderful feelgood buzz. Sigh. Oh yeahh. 8)
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Coming back to report that 3-MMC is fucking great.
Add it to a low to moderate GHB dose or mix it with some ketamine and get ready to feel AMAZING.
It's definitely more mellow than 4-MMC but it has a similar sexual/energetic vibe. There is a warm feeling in the heart region that's just what I'd call "cozy." Nice and warm and cozy buzzing deep in my chest. Mmm. :)
Been taking a break from the ketamine lately since I've built up a decent tolerance to it, and although I doubted 3-MMC, I have just discovered that I wasn't taking enough. You definitely need at least 60-150 mg in order to start feeling that wonderful feelgood buzz. Sigh. Oh yeahh. 8)
It's the bomb isn't it :D
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Toss up between Cocaine and OxyCodone.
The high from Oxy is better, but after 5-6 hours it makes me feel groggy, gross, and tired(fading). It also makes it hard to catch a buzz off weed, and the combo usually speeds up the Rocker high, and wears me thin faster.
Cocaine is better for not fucking with my weed-high. And for long drives, imo, because there's no fade. You just get all edgy, and want more. And it's okay to do more. Whereas with Oxy, you can't just keep doing more and more, or you'll feel like complete fucking garbage.
Just my experience/opinion. You said 'casual' so I avoided the heavier stuff. ;)
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Toss up between Cocaine and OxyCodone.
The high from Oxy is better, but after 5-6 hours it makes me feel groggy, gross, and tired(fading). It also makes it hard to catch a buzz off weed, and the combo usually speeds up the Rocker high, and wears me thin faster.
Cocaine is better for not fucking with my weed-high. And for long drives, imo, because there's no fade. You just get all edgy, and want more. And it's okay to do more. Whereas with Oxy, you can't just keep doing more and more, or you'll feel like complete fucking garbage.
Just my experience/opinion. You said 'casual' so I avoided the heavier stuff. ;)
I can, and I will do more and more Oxy... or else I will feel like complete fucking garbage. ;)
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Is 3-MMC as horribly addictive as 4-MMC ?
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Is 3-MMC as horribly addictive as 4-MMC ?
Not quite as much.
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Toss up between Cocaine and OxyCodone.
The high from Oxy is better, but after 5-6 hours it makes me feel groggy, gross, and tired(fading). It also makes it hard to catch a buzz off weed, and the combo usually speeds up the Rocker high, and wears me thin faster.
Cocaine is better for not fucking with my weed-high. And for long drives, imo, because there's no fade. You just get all edgy, and want more. And it's okay to do more. Whereas with Oxy, you can't just keep doing more and more, or you'll feel like complete fucking garbage.
Just my experience/opinion. You said 'casual' so I avoided the heavier stuff. ;)
I can, and I will do more and more Oxy... or else I will feel like complete fucking garbage. ;)
Yeah, I suppose "can't" wasn't the correct word. I don't like to re-up w/ opiates because the second time in a day always seems to last half as long, and the withdrawals are twice as bad. Usually don't get withdrawals unless I do them for multiple consecutive days.
I can blow coke all day, every day, for a month straight... and put it down, and the worst withdrawal symptom I can think of experiencing is sleepiness and myalgia. Easy to sleep off. 4-5 days of Oxy use, and I know I'm in for 2-3 days of on and off heebie-jeebies, and restlessness, the shits, headaches, and generally just feeling depressed.
Most I've ever done in a day w/ Oxy is like 45 mils. I usually stick with 7.5-15 mg in a days time.
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Toss up between Cocaine and OxyCodone.
The high from Oxy is better, but after 5-6 hours it makes me feel groggy, gross, and tired(fading). It also makes it hard to catch a buzz off weed, and the combo usually speeds up the Rocker high, and wears me thin faster.
Cocaine is better for not fucking with my weed-high. And for long drives, imo, because there's no fade. You just get all edgy, and want more. And it's okay to do more. Whereas with Oxy, you can't just keep doing more and more, or you'll feel like complete fucking garbage.
Just my experience/opinion. You said 'casual' so I avoided the heavier stuff. ;)
I can, and I will do more and more Oxy... or else I will feel like complete fucking garbage. ;)
Yeah, I suppose "can't" wasn't the correct word. I don't like to re-up w/ opiates because the second time in a day always seems to last half as long, and the withdrawals are twice as bad. Usually don't get withdrawals unless I do them for multiple consecutive days.
I can blow coke all day, every day, for a month straight... and put it down, and the worst withdrawal symptom I can think of experiencing is sleepiness and myalgia. Easy to sleep off. 4-5 days of Oxy use, and I know I'm in for 2-3 days of on and off heebie-jeebies, and restlessness, the shits, headaches, and generally just feeling depressed.
Most I've ever done in a day w/ Oxy is like 45 mils. I usually stick with 7.5-15 mg in a days time.
I was just pulling your leg, buddy. Oxy with drawls are hell. When you do it everyday for a few weeks/month and you don't shit the whole time... Feels like you're getting raped from the inside.
Does 7.5-15 mg really do much for you? When I use I will usually start off with a 15 mg line to get me started, even without a tolerance. Not trying to be a dick just genuinely curious?
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Toss up between Cocaine and OxyCodone.
The high from Oxy is better, but after 5-6 hours it makes me feel groggy, gross, and tired(fading). It also makes it hard to catch a buzz off weed, and the combo usually speeds up the Rocker high, and wears me thin faster.
Cocaine is better for not fucking with my weed-high. And for long drives, imo, because there's no fade. You just get all edgy, and want more. And it's okay to do more. Whereas with Oxy, you can't just keep doing more and more, or you'll feel like complete fucking garbage.
Just my experience/opinion. You said 'casual' so I avoided the heavier stuff. ;)
I can, and I will do more and more Oxy... or else I will feel like complete fucking garbage. ;)
Yeah, I suppose "can't" wasn't the correct word. I don't like to re-up w/ opiates because the second time in a day always seems to last half as long, and the withdrawals are twice as bad. Usually don't get withdrawals unless I do them for multiple consecutive days.
I can blow coke all day, every day, for a month straight... and put it down, and the worst withdrawal symptom I can think of experiencing is sleepiness and myalgia. Easy to sleep off. 4-5 days of Oxy use, and I know I'm in for 2-3 days of on and off heebie-jeebies, and restlessness, the shits, headaches, and generally just feeling depressed.
Most I've ever done in a day w/ Oxy is like 45 mils. I usually stick with 7.5-15 mg in a days time.
I was just pulling your leg, buddy. Oxy with drawls are hell. When you do it everyday for a few weeks/month and you don't shit the whole time... Feels like you're getting raped from the inside.
Does 7.5-15 mg really do much for you? When I use I will usually start off with a 15 mg line to get me started, even without a tolerance. Not trying to be a dick just genuinely curious?
I've gone a month straight on 15-30 mg a day, then stopped. Withdrawals lasted 6 days. It's not terrible, even though it is, so long as you commit to the thought of it only lasting a few days... lol
And yes, if you start off with 7.5 as a baseline, that's all you will need. Anything less than a 1/4 of a 30, and you should eat it; cause you'll waste a bit on the way up. You always went right to 15 MG? 15 and 7.5 don't even feel that much dif to me in one shot, but I get way more out of the pill if I hit it 4 times, as opposed to 2. You know?
One time, some guy at a get-together was like "Anyone wanna buy a Blue" and so I naturally was like, "Ooo yeah me!" and we went into this guest bedroom to crush em up in private, etc. This other dude who bought one was trying to show him some super complicated 'fold up' method of making a "tray" out of the bill or something for "easy snorting" and my cocky drug addict side came out, and I was like "That's not necessary, watch this." And put the entire 30 into a bill, rolled, smacked it w/ a lighter pinched both ends down and 'rolled' the lighter over the bill real hard 3 times, then put it up to my face and snooted. The entire process only takes me like 10 seconds, rolling the bill taking the most time. He was impressed and much less confused by my method of "on the go" bumping... but I failed to break up my 30...
I had a few liquor drinks in me, and no tolerance. I was fucking blasted. I think I bought another 30 and did half of that like 2 hours later, and felt absolutely horrible an hour or 2 after that.
lol - but yeah. 7.5 works well for me.
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Money no object - cocaine.
Reality - MDMA. Gonna try MDA soon though.
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Coming back to report that 3-MMC is fucking great.
Add it to a low to moderate GHB dose or mix it with some ketamine and get ready to feel AMAZING.
It's definitely more mellow than 4-MMC but it has a similar sexual/energetic vibe. There is a warm feeling in the heart region that's just what I'd call "cozy." Nice and warm and cozy buzzing deep in my chest. Mmm. :)
Been taking a break from the ketamine lately since I've built up a decent tolerance to it, and although I doubted 3-MMC, I have just discovered that I wasn't taking enough. You definitely need at least 60-150 mg in order to start feeling that wonderful feelgood buzz. Sigh. Oh yeahh. 8)
It's the bomb isn't it :D
Absolutely lovely. I am glad I followed your suggestion :D
Is 3-MMC as horribly addictive as 4-MMC ?
Not quite as much.
This is precisely why I appreciate it more than 4-MMC. It's definitely more mellow but more functional as well. I could enjoy this at a party and no one would know that I was on it as long as I wasn't sniffling too much. Comedown is also very mellow and relaxed, very much unlike a cocaine comedown. 4-MMC has this incredibly powerful and pushy euphoria which is nice, but isn't as functional as 3-MMC, which is more in the middle and allows for better concentration on a task like sex or reading a book or chatting around at a party :)
If one was going for full-blown euphoria I'd say to go with MDMA or 4-MMC, for sure. But 3-MMC is my go-to for casual feelgood afternoons.
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MXE in the morning
MXE at night
MXE in the afternoon
make me feel alright
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Here are my final thoughts:
3-MMC mixed with S-Isomer Ketamine is great, as long as it's done in lines.
When done in lines, it produces the most relaxed, floaty, amazing warm feeling EVER. It's like MDMA, I swear. The more lines you do, the closer to MDMA world you get.
3-MMC is good alone, but requires lines (one or two) to really come out and do anything noticeable.
Bumps of ketamine are good when used moderately (produces the stimmy vs psychedelic effect). If used too often, a bump doesn't really do anything and you just waste good k.
But wow, I feel AMAZING right now.
Mixed MarcelKetman's Ketamine with uhrwerk's 3-MMC at about a 1:1 ratio and I am so surprised at how amazing I feel right now. My chest is practically glowing with the warmth of openness and empathy. Lots of sighs. :)
It just feels so damn good. I am melting into a slow puddle of amazing.
Thanks Ballzy and Microdotter for contributing to this stellar combination.
I am lounging, listening to jazz, and feeling that good gooood.
Much love.