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Discussion => Off topic => Topic started by: breeze09 on December 04, 2011, 12:44 am
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Ok, yeah I know this can be easily purchased from a lot of places, but what I'm wondering is... what is the most pure, most potent product version of it that anyone knows of? I see a lot of advertisements about 10x, 20x, 120x and in the form of extracts, dry leaf, etc etc. all seems like marketing and doesn't really tell me what will be the strongest. Any herbal experts out there have some insight? and, where do you recommend purchasing?
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It is all marketting, unless you buy from a reputable vendor.
I've taken kratom for 3-4 years, it's AWESOME for work (euphoria makes me not hate my life/work so much, energy makes me work harder). Don't expect anything powerful or extreme, it's not, but it's still a damned good (CHEAP) mild opiate substitute
I've tried this leaf and that leaf, extract blah. Firstly the extract are a complete waste of money unless you are rich (and foolish). Secondly there is no real way for you to tell that it's 'bali' or whatever because the leaf is ground up (even if you asked for it not to be powdered it is still ground up).
I get mine at what I consider to be a very reasonable price of $250/kg ($7/ounce), if they charge you much more, you are dealing with a vendor that ... you shouldn't deal with :D
You don't need to make tea, i wasted time doing that. What I do is buy some 000 capsules (e-bay), grind up a handful of kratom when i'm ready to pill em up. Grind in coffee grinder until ... ultra fine, fill capsule, take an allen key and jam the kratom powder as much into the pill as you can, close it up.
Takes 5 and i'm buzzin. I've learned with kratom, for me at least, that the potency of effects plateua's at a certain point and that taking more is futile, wasteful, and if you take too much will give you a headache.
It may sound like a lot of work but that's just cuz I spelled it out for you :D, I can typically make about 50 capsules in one episode of family guy on my computer :D. Added bonus that this makes kratom portable, u can take it with u anywhere (like say the in-laws).
1kg pilled up lasts me for ... hell of a long time (excluding those that I sell to friends).
Honestly, if you are serious about getting decent kratom at reasonable cost you should buy at least 1/2kg -> 1kg at a time. I say this because it's a simple way of weeding out the vendor's that are just trying to leech mad profit from the unfortunate black market kratom ignorance :(. They will outright refuse to serve you, or just ignore your e-mail's. I wish I could tell you my source but he doesn't list it in his inventory anymore and will only sell it to clients who had past kratom purchases from him :(
Also the best vendors are the small vendors, aka not iamshaman (their leaf is ok, but just that). Typically they will do special services for you, such as mixing all of their kratom 'strains' into one wonder kilogram mix. Can't say this is better then that when they're all in there :)
Just, please, don't buy extract's ... don't support that corrupt marketing branch of kratom (you'll run out of the extract before I can say the word extract ... and get no more higher).
O, and if you are buying in bulk, ask for crushed leaf (not powdered), and store it in your fridge. Grind it up into a powder only as you need to make the pills, i've noticed that powdered kratom degrades (loses it's potency) faster then crushed leaf.
KRATOM POWER !
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Thanks for the insight. You were actually more helpful than most of what I found on other random forums. I decided to just buy some and give it a try and go from there. I went with "Premium Thai" powder capsules from areanaeg.com. Thoughts? 1 ounce was $17.99 but not sure how much is in each capsule. Don't know if they're 00 or 000.
I tried taking 4 just to get an idea and it sucks, feel no effect whatsoever. Is the powder just as potent as buying crushed leaves and grinding and packing them? Ya sure it doesn't matter if I buy thai, bali, indo, etc?
Anyway, thanks again. your price per kg is pretty nice. Could you perhaps check with your supplier and see if he/she would consider another customer? PM me.
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Thanks for the insight. You were actually more helpful than most of what I found on other random forums. I decided to just buy some and give it a try and go from there. I went with "Premium Thai" powder capsules from areanaeg.com. Thoughts? 1 ounce was $17.99 but not sure how much is in each capsule. Don't know if they're 00 or 000.
I tried taking 4 just to get an idea and it sucks, feel no effect whatsoever. Is the powder just as potent as buying crushed leaves and grinding and packing them? Ya sure it doesn't matter if I buy thai, bali, indo, etc?
Anyway, thanks again. your price per kg is pretty nice. Could you perhaps check with your supplier and see if he/she would consider another customer? PM me.
Your only (well biggest) prob is that you bought powder. Unless it was vaccuum sealed from the moment it was ground into powder, it'll start degrading pretty quick. I buy crushed leaf and just fill a coffee grinder when I want to make pills, make about 50 per coffee grinder lid (I don't even know how much weight i've put in each pill lol).
Powdered leaf at the very least needs to be kept refrigerated, but when you make it a powder you increase it's surface area to air by like 50 thousand times, which means MUCH MORE of the alkaloids/terpenes are exposed to oxygen in air (oxidation) ... aka they are 'broken down .. or inactivated'. I'm 100% certain powder degrades faster cuz I had a bag of it stored in my backpack (I had forgotten about it, I was in the middle of pilling one day and had to stop abruptly, the bag was even full of empty pills too lol) as well as bag of crushed leaf. When I found the powder I decided to finish pilling it all up and to also make pills out of the crushed leaf bag (I was curious myself about this rumor about powder vs. kratom), when I took the powdered pills they were pretty much garbage. The crushed were fine.
Moral, don't ever buy powdered kratom, I don't even care who want's to come and flame me otherwise here (they would most likely be the kratom vendor's anyways :D). crushed is better then powder !!!
000s are actually noticeably bigger then 00s, but unless you've seen the two side by side, how could you know?
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/500-EMPTY-gel-GELATIN-CAPSULES-SIZE-000-BULK-Kosher-/130555638988?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e65b8f4cc
The prob with 'thai/bali/etc.' is that, especially when it's powdered, how do you know at all that it's actually premium thai? You pretty much can't tell with crushed either, and need to see the veins in a full leaf as well as it's chlorosis (how dark/light green it is .. FRESH ON THE TREE), if it's crushed you can find pieces of leaves with veins intact.
My vendor told me that a lot of vendors actually weigh down the product with powdered kratom stem (which has no 7-HO-Mytrigynine in it, the alkaloid that gets you high) and even SAND ! I did not believe this non-sense, so he actually sent me a package of ground of stem powder, which indeed did not do shit. He told me if I wanted it, he'd give me all his stem powder/fragments he had for free if I covered shipping lol. He also sent me samples of his extracts, which were all garbage (I could get high ... once) and I trust and have trusted him with good Kratom for 3-4 years now and trust his extracts were good.
During those day's of research I also came to learn that the ENTIRE KRATOM MARKET comes from ONLY THREE SOURCES (perhap's more now). Once it's been moved down 2-3 tiers of distribution, your premium thai may now be bali, vice versa... if that's what the distributor want's to call it (I don't know what today's popular strain is, but Bali was the 'premium' the few years ago when I was researching Kratom).
If you want to fall into the Kraom brand naming/what's better argument go right ahead, but i'm pretty sure I just made my view on it pretty clear haha.
The site you linked doesn't load, so I can't say anything to their wares (but you said it did fuck all to you so i'm gonna go with shit company), but try not to buy pre-pilled, they are marked up quite significantly. The 'standard' pill i've seen from such online herbal vendors are size 1, which that table in the e-bay link says holds up to 350mg per pill. There's 28 grams an ounce, so unless you got at least (28g)/(0.35g/pill) = 80 pills for $17.99 then you got taken.
My vendor got out of the kratom business a long time ago, he only sells to me because we live in the same country (i'm Canadian, not American), and I was a regular 1kg buyer from him for 2 years before he got out, so he just does it to me as a favour.
I can't attest to the service or quality of any easy to find (google) wholesale kratom suppliers so the only thing I can suggest to you is to start reading deeper into the Kratom forums around, and you will eventually find a wholesale vendor. It's just like here I guess, trust earns you the right to special sites/connections.
EDIT: I can estimate the amount of kratom me and my friends need to get high from that e-bay chart, so it might help you. Most of the time I don't pack them down with an allen key so they're 'typical', which is 960mg ... or about a gram. We take 5pills (and i've always taken 5, with no sign of tolerance, but I also do not use them more then once a week, twice some weeks maybe), so 5grams.
I'd say break some of those pills open you have and measure out 5g and give that a go (parachute it i guess, or just eat it, it doesn't taste bad and people are pussies lol). Anything less will give me maybe a MILD MILD buzz (and only cuz i'm very familiar with the effects/feelings kratom induces), anything over 8g will give you a bad headache. Anything between the amount that gets you high and gives you a headache won't make any difference, taking more kratom won't get you more high, you can only get so high on kratom ... and it's NOT a strong opioid effect like people who buy it for the first time think it will be. It's in many way's better actually (i'm sure all the opiate junkies will flame me, but you can go back to IVing oxycodone and leave me alone ;) ).
Good luck.