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Discussion => Silk Road discussion => Topic started by: mrxempire on October 05, 2013, 03:14 am
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I remember hearing rumors a few months back that the Dread pirate Roberts had stepped down and another one had taken his place. Then, in september, Roberts himself admitted to being the "successor" to the original during his forbes interview. However, according to the DEA reports that I read earlier this week, they had actually been tracking ulbricht since July 2011. Does this mean that Ulbricht was the one and only Dread Pirate Roberts this whole time? Maybe claiming he was not the original was his way of trying to cover up his tracks. Or maybe Ulbricht was an assistant for DPR during the lifetime of SR, and took the helm after the original decided to step down. What do you guys think? Can anyone confirm any of these theories? I've heard various opinions so far. I like to believe that the original DPR is chilling on the beach right now drinking mojitos, or even better, coming out of retirement to help build the next SR.
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http://blackiiw5nozs6i5.onion is forum about the new Silk road
but I think ulbricht was a back up DPR...
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I think it's interesting that in the YouTube interview with Rene Pinnell, which took place December 6, 2012, Ulbricht says that he just moved to San Fran 3 months prior. And it was to help Pinnell with a "startup" he was involved in.
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I'm still processing my thoughts and the plethora of information that's come out, much of it inconsistent or unbelievable. I'll post up a blog on my site once I've sifted through some stuff. :)
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No way. The whole cavalier attitude, the WSJ interview. The person representing themselves as DPR back in 2012, when I first found the road, was pissed about the Gawker article and loathed that (for want of a better word) journalist.
As far as the DEA saying something about tailing someone.....yadda....yadda...yadda - Are you taking a Nazi at his word?
Think.
From here on out we can speculate, but we'll never know the facts. Since I was born, everything on TV, especially the News has been for the most part lies. All the information they try to feed us, is written, produced, edited, choreographed, you name it, by the very same people in Hollywood that make the movies everyone flocks to like moths to a flame.
How about the news they "wont" report on? How about an unarmed black woman, with a baby in her car, gets assassinated by DC police, but you barely hear a word about it! Who gave the order to kill her? Where is the outcry? Was deadly force really necessary? - Oh, nevermind, we gotta find out if Obummer spoke with Boner today, and what expression was on Boner's face.
Maybe that's why those 'Federales' assassinated that unarmed woman. I heard one reporter, calling the murderous police "Heroes" and how 'they're not getting paid because of the "Government Shutdown"! I hope they pay them soon, who knows what they'll do next? And they want to take guns away from law abiding citizens? What a country.
Then every newsbreak on the radio(no TV in this house) - "Government Shutdown" - Really? It doesn't seem to make a difference, but damn if the press isn't scouring every small town pennysaver for something to justify their fear mongering. I say every day the Gov't closed, that's less money being spent on an already obese useless conglomerate of agencies.
Let's move on. Talk very little about sensitive things. - Use PGP in all PM's and emails, for anything you wouldn't want someone else to know.
I used to scoff at the PGP proponents. In reality I was lazy, or afraid of something new and possibly complicated. Then Snowden, a modern day hero, blew the whistle on the NSA. - The first real true news we've heard in a while. I started paying attention to PGP and everything I can possibly learn about online security.
I feel as though I live in the former USSR, in the mid 1970's.
Find out all you can about security online. How you can be tracked, etc. If you have Chrome - delete it. -- Then get Revo uninstaller, and delete the rest of it. I had hundreds of files and registry entries all related to Google, and this was after I uninstalled Chrome! Delete your Facebook account. All that social media bullshit. It may have been developed innocently enough, but it didn't take long for the demonic shadow government to use it to track and control us, in their insatiable desire to control.
We can hypothesize until Christmas what really went down. Or we can all concentrate on how to stay one step ahead of those who want to control us. No more blatant Vendor reviews, is one thing I'd like to put out there. Obviously many of us will end up on another site. There are more than you think. - I say, if someone comes on a forum and says - "Is Vendor X good?" - They should get a yes or no answer. - You want more info? PM someone and see if they're willing to tell you. - and if you do, you both should do it with PGP.
That's what I'm taking away from all of this. - Meanwhile we have worse criminals running the country. Don't worry, as the saying goes, "What doesn't kill us, makes us stronger"
Let's all get stronger. Stronger encryption. Stronger sense of safety. For ourselves, and those like us. I don't know what else to say. I'm exhausted though. Barely slept since that bright red screen popped up.
Take it easy. - You're one of a million people with that same question on their minds. - I'm not faulting you for asking it. I'm just saying. Don't say anything. This is like being on display in Macy's window. Just remember that.
Oh, and my guess? - Ulbricht was a fall guy. Quite possibly paid to take the fall. Some sort of loyalty to the group. This is no one man operation. Also the whole reason for the name Dread Pirate Roberts, has a meaning. You may already know, but for those who don't, see the Princess Bride. I've never seen it. Not my cup of tea. Though you can just go on Wiki or IMDB. In short, the title of DPR is just that. It's a position that is held by different people over time.
I like the mojito ending myself. - I've also heard that there is a contingency plan that's been in place, and is on a fail-safe, or auto-pilot. We'll see!
Sorry for the negative rant. - I'll end on a positive.
You never know what tomorrow may bring!
8) Chip 8)
PS. Beware of new sites, also (I noticed the new postings while typing this)-when you viewed that video on YouTube, were you logged in to Gmail?
Yes I'm paranoid. Can you blame me?
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I think it's the same person who perhaps realised they had mad some mistakes and tried to make it look like there was a new DPR.
He was very desperate to let everyone know that. It's pretty obvious.
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I think it's the same person who perhaps realised they had mad some mistakes and tried to make it look like there was a new DPR.
He was very desperate to let everyone know that. It's pretty obvious.
It's interesting you say that, because I was contemplating a post re "Did DPR realise he'd left behind a smoking gun?"
When researching the book, I came across much of the same information the FBI did* - including discovering 'altoid' on Shroomery and Bitcointalk, and concluding that 'altoid' was the original owner of SR spruiking his/her site. I even called the new, chatty DPR out (and the person posting just before and after the Forbes interview was definitely NOT the DPR we had come to know) on his oft-repeated mantra that Silk Road started in February 2011 -
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=204603.msg1481044#msg1481044
What I wonder now is, did DPR keep throwing up the line about February 2011 knowing that there was that smoking gun in January? But then surely someone with DPR's contacts could have the forums hacked and the telling details quietly removed?
Curiouser and curiouser ::)
x Eiley
* and I can't tell you how pissed I am that my weeks of work that were going to give me an edge in the book stakes have been packaged up all nice and neat in the FBI files for anyone to look at. Nobody'll ever believe I worked it all out myself now. Grrr >:( :-\
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Same guy, attempted to drop some false intel because he probably knew he made mistakes early on.
Max Vision, imprisoned admin of Cardersmarket did the exact same thing: claimed he was retiring and pretended to leave while still running the board.
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I wonder if the feds investigated Rene Pinnell at all. (since he knew and associated with Ulbricht ----or maybe Rene was helping the Feds?!)
But to answer the OP, I dont believe Ulbricht was the "Original" however peoples beliefs do change....or are masked at times...anything is possible.
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I think the Forbes article and DPR contemplating reintroducing weapons sales had a bit to do with the fed takedown accelerating a bit.
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I think the Forbes article and DPR contemplating reintroducing weapons sales had a bit to do with the fed takedown accelerating a bit.
That and him turning out to be an incompetent geek with 0 streetssmarts.
Oh well...can't say i did not see this coming with this craze to suddenly change the site,dumb fuck retarded twitter move,FORBES ....sigh....
That's what we get for having a dreamer as captain,they talk the talk...but the walk...always difficulties with the walk -_-.
Sad day.
But we will prevail.
KEEP ATTACKING OUR FREEDOM INSTITUTIONS OF AMERICA.
What goes around comes around.
ONE DAY YOU WILL NOT EVEN HAVE DRUGS OR "THE WELLFARE" OF THE PEOPLE AS AN EXCUSE FOR YOUR MORAL CRIMES AGAINST US.
AND WHEN THE LITTLE MAN FINALLY GETS HIT AND REALISES YOUR DIABOLIC PLANS TO ENSLAVE US AND USE US..
WHEN THAT DAY COMES AND THE EVERYDAY MAN WILL UNITE AGAINST SO-CALLED GOVERNMENTS AND THEIR CORPORATE ASSOCIATES..UPRISINGS WILL NOT BE SOMETHING HAPPENING IN UNDERDEVELOPPED COUNTRIES.
SO KEEP DIGGING THAT GRAVE... >:(
OUT!
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I think it's the same person who perhaps realised they had mad some mistakes and tried to make it look like there was a new DPR.
He was very desperate to let everyone know that. It's pretty obvious.
It's interesting you say that, because I was contemplating a post re "Did DPR realise he'd left behind a smoking gun?"
When researching the book, I came across much of the same information the FBI did* - including discovering 'altoid' on Shroomery and Bitcointalk, and concluding that 'altoid' was the original owner of SR spruiking his/her site. I even called the new, chatty DPR out (and the person posting just before and after the Forbes interview was definitely NOT the DPR we had come to know) on his oft-repeated mantra that Silk Road started in February 2011 -
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=204603.msg1481044#msg1481044
What I wonder now is, did DPR keep throwing up the line about February 2011 knowing that there was that smoking gun in January? But then surely someone with DPR's contacts could have the forums hacked and the telling details quietly removed?
Curiouser and curiouser ::)
x Eiley
* and I can't tell you how pissed I am that my weeks of work that were going to give me an edge in the book stakes have been packaged up all nice and neat in the FBI files for anyone to look at. Nobody'll ever believe I worked it all out myself now. Grrr >:( :-\
Sorry to head :-(
I lost much money on there.
Time to rebuild on BMR.
keep in touch, find me on BMR. Same username
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I think it's the same person who perhaps realised they had mad some mistakes and tried to make it look like there was a new DPR.
He was very desperate to let everyone know that. It's pretty obvious.
It's interesting you say that, because I was contemplating a post re "Did DPR realise he'd left behind a smoking gun?"
When researching the book, I came across much of the same information the FBI did* - including discovering 'altoid' on Shroomery and Bitcointalk, and concluding that 'altoid' was the original owner of SR spruiking his/her site. I even called the new, chatty DPR out (and the person posting just before and after the Forbes interview was definitely NOT the DPR we had come to know) on his oft-repeated mantra that Silk Road started in February 2011 -
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=204603.msg1481044#msg1481044
What I wonder now is, did DPR keep throwing up the line about February 2011 knowing that there was that smoking gun in January? But then surely someone with DPR's contacts could have the forums hacked and the telling details quietly removed?
Curiouser and curiouser ::)
x Eiley
* and I can't tell you how pissed I am that my weeks of work that were going to give me an edge in the book stakes have been packaged up all nice and neat in the FBI files for anyone to look at. Nobody'll ever believe I worked it all out myself now. Grrr >:( :-\
I believe you. When I read the criminal complaint, I was surprised no one else had found out sooner and blackmailed him. Perhaps some people did but they believed in SR and wanted to see it, and DPR, succeed.
Had you linked the altoid account to the ross ulbricht gmail account? I assume you were not intending to reveal DPR's identity in the book. Also, do you have any idea who the mod that DPR put a hit on was/is? I can't seem to find an answer to this, and few are discussing it.
Big fan of your writings, and have been looking forward to the book since it was announced.
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Tbh I can't see you convincing anyone that you knew this information. I read your post and you left a few dots ... I am certain you would have encrypted and put this theory to DPR himself if you did know. Sure it seems simple now but to get that information wasn't as easy or as obvious. Would love to see any proof otherwise but nice try selling your book! ;)
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I think it's the same person who perhaps realised they had mad some mistakes and tried to make it look like there was a new DPR.
He was very desperate to let everyone know that. It's pretty obvious.
It's interesting you say that, because I was contemplating a post re "Did DPR realise he'd left behind a smoking gun?"
When researching the book, I came across much of the same information the FBI did* - including discovering 'altoid' on Shroomery and Bitcointalk, and concluding that 'altoid' was the original owner of SR spruiking his/her site. I even called the new, chatty DPR out (and the person posting just before and after the Forbes interview was definitely NOT the DPR we had come to know) on his oft-repeated mantra that Silk Road started in February 2011 -
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=204603.msg1481044#msg1481044
What I wonder now is, did DPR keep throwing up the line about February 2011 knowing that there was that smoking gun in January? But then surely someone with DPR's contacts could have the forums hacked and the telling details quietly removed?
Curiouser and curiouser ::)
x Eiley
* and I can't tell you how pissed I am that my weeks of work that were going to give me an edge in the book stakes have been packaged up all nice and neat in the FBI files for anyone to look at. Nobody'll ever believe I worked it all out myself now. Grrr >:( :-\
I believe you. When I read the criminal complaint, I was surprised no one else had found out sooner and blackmailed him. Perhaps some people did but they believed in SR and wanted to see it, and DPR, succeed.
Had you linked the altoid account to the ross ulbricht gmail account? I assume you were not intending to reveal DPR's identity in the book. Also, do you have any idea who the mod that DPR put a hit on was/is? I can't seem to find an answer to this, and few are discussing it.
Big fan of your writings, and have been looking forward to the book since it was announced.
No, I hadn't linked the gmail account. I got as far as finding the altoid posts and I bookmarked the 48 posts altoid made on Bitcointalk, but when I started flicking through them, they seemed pretty boring and not something that would further the book. Some investigative reporter, huh? ;D
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EDIT: actually I just went and looked at what I wrote in the chapter. I wrote: "The user ‘altoid’ on Bitcointalk apparently deleted those early posts (or the site did), which can now only be found quoted in later members’ responses . However, altoid remained active on the Bitcointalk forums until August 2012."
Now it seems odd that I didn't spot the gmail addy. I'd like to go back and check, but bitcointalk is down.
It seems even odder that one of the journos that did the massive investigations trying to uncover him (e.g. the guy who wrote "The hunt for DPR" or whatever it was) never found it. Maybe bitcointalk gave up deleted posts to the FBI?
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I don't know what the hell I would've done if I had found the email addy though. I certainly never had any intention of "exposing" anybody.
No idea who the admin was he put a hit on. I assume it was an admin on the main site, which doesn't necessarily mean they had an active role on the forums.
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Tbh I can't see you convincing anyone that you knew this information. I read your post and you left a few dots ... I am certain you would have encrypted and put this theory to DPR himself if you did know. Sure it seems simple now but to get that information wasn't as easy or as obvious. Would love to see any proof otherwise but nice try selling your book! ;)
Well, it's pretty moot now anyway. But it was easy and obvious. When researching the chapter of SR's inception I googled "silk road drugs" and put in a time frame of a couple of months before it 'officially' existed. I'm sure I'm not the first to do that.
I took a screenshot of the altoid bitcointalk user information at the time - i don't know if there's data embedded in that which would prove when I took the shot? There's also emails from me to Wordpress trying to get them to show me what silkroad420.wordpress.com looked like before it was removed for violating wordpress TOS. (They wouldn't, citing privacy concerns)
But like I said, all pretty moot now. And I really don't feel I will need to spruik my book too hard to this audience ;) The tough part will be convincing them to buy it rather than downloading it ::) ;D
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Also, do you have any idea who the mod that DPR put a hit on was/is? I can't seem to find an answer to this, and few are discussing it.
Maybe Flush, by dates?
Page 2 says that the Employee was paid a salary to serve as an "administrator" starting in or about November 2012.
Page 6 of the document says that on or about January 26, DPR communicated with the UC to say that "the Employee" had been arrested and had stolen funds from other market clients.
I can't find reference to other admins leaving in January on a quick skim.
Date Registered:
November 03, 2012, 02:50 am
Local Time:
October 06, 2013, 02:14 am
Last Active:
January 26, 2013, 01:23 am
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?action=profile;u=40436
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Also, do you have any idea who the mod that DPR put a hit on was/is? I can't seem to find an answer to this, and few are discussing it.
Maybe Flush, by dates?
Page 2 says that the Employee was paid a salary to serve as an "administrator" starting in or about November 2012.
Page 6 of the document says that on or about January 26, DPR communicated with the UC to say that "the Employee" had been arrested and had stolen funds from other market clients.
I can't find reference to other admins leaving in January on a quick skim.
Date Registered:
November 03, 2012, 02:50 am
Local Time:
October 06, 2013, 02:14 am
Last Active:
January 26, 2013, 01:23 am
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?action=profile;u=40436
Nice investigating :)
I don't even remember an admin called Flush
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After watching that DPR interview on youtube I'd bet money on that Rene guy being the "Original DPR"
You can't tell me that someone's best friend had no idea of what he was doing. Especially when he talks about how his friend paid his way out there and paid him to work.
"Startups" must be another word for Silk Road?
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Thanks for the response. Fascinating. If the FBI really did get bitcointalk to release 'deleted' posts to them, it must have been on a pretty desperate whim. They must have been shocked when they found the gmail account.
Check out this thread if you haven't yet... http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=218308.0
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No way. The whole cavalier attitude, the WSJ interview. The person representing themselves as DPR back in 2012, when I first found the road, was pissed about the Gawker article and loathed that (for want of a better word) journalist.
As far as the DEA saying something about tailing someone.....yadda....yadda...yadda - Are you taking a Nazi at his word?
Think.
From here on out we can speculate, but we'll never know the facts. Since I was born, everything on TV, especially the News has been for the most part lies. All the information they try to feed us, is written, produced, edited, choreographed, you name it, by the very same people in Hollywood that make the movies everyone flocks to like moths to a flame.
How about the news they "wont" report on? How about an unarmed black woman, with a baby in her car, gets assassinated by DC police, but you barely hear a word about it! Who gave the order to kill her? Where is the outcry? Was deadly force really necessary? - Oh, nevermind, we gotta find out if Obummer spoke with Boner today, and what expression was on Boner's face.
Maybe that's why those 'Federales' assassinated that unarmed woman. I heard one reporter, calling the murderous police "Heroes" and how 'they're not getting paid because of the "Government Shutdown"! I hope they pay them soon, who knows what they'll do next? And they want to take guns away from law abiding citizens? What a country.
Then every newsbreak on the radio(no TV in this house) - "Government Shutdown" - Really? It doesn't seem to make a difference, but damn if the press isn't scouring every small town pennysaver for something to justify their fear mongering. I say every day the Gov't closed, that's less money being spent on an already obese useless conglomerate of agencies.
Let's move on. Talk very little about sensitive things. - Use PGP in all PM's and emails, for anything you wouldn't want someone else to know.
I used to scoff at the PGP proponents. In reality I was lazy, or afraid of something new and possibly complicated. Then Snowden, a modern day hero, blew the whistle on the NSA. - The first real true news we've heard in a while. I started paying attention to PGP and everything I can possibly learn about online security.
I feel as though I live in the former USSR, in the mid 1970's.
Find out all you can about security online. How you can be tracked, etc. If you have Chrome - delete it. -- Then get Revo uninstaller, and delete the rest of it. I had hundreds of files and registry entries all related to Google, and this was after I uninstalled Chrome! Delete your Facebook account. All that social media bullshit. It may have been developed innocently enough, but it didn't take long for the demonic shadow government to use it to track and control us, in their insatiable desire to control.
We can hypothesize until Christmas what really went down. Or we can all concentrate on how to stay one step ahead of those who want to control us. No more blatant Vendor reviews, is one thing I'd like to put out there. Obviously many of us will end up on another site. There are more than you think. - I say, if someone comes on a forum and says - "Is Vendor X good?" - They should get a yes or no answer. - You want more info? PM someone and see if they're willing to tell you. - and if you do, you both should do it with PGP.
That's what I'm taking away from all of this. - Meanwhile we have worse criminals running the country. Don't worry, as the saying goes, "What doesn't kill us, makes us stronger"
Let's all get stronger. Stronger encryption. Stronger sense of safety. For ourselves, and those like us. I don't know what else to say. I'm exhausted though. Barely slept since that bright red screen popped up.
Take it easy. - You're one of a million people with that same question on their minds. - I'm not faulting you for asking it. I'm just saying. Don't say anything. This is like being on display in Macy's window. Just remember that.
Oh, and my guess? - Ulbricht was a fall guy. Quite possibly paid to take the fall. Some sort of loyalty to the group. This is no one man operation. Also the whole reason for the name Dread Pirate Roberts, has a meaning. You may already know, but for those who don't, see the Princess Bride. I've never seen it. Not my cup of tea. Though you can just go on Wiki or IMDB. In short, the title of DPR is just that. It's a position that is held by different people over time.
I like the mojito ending myself. - I've also heard that there is a contingency plan that's been in place, and is on a fail-safe, or auto-pilot. We'll see!
Sorry for the negative rant. - I'll end on a positive.
You never know what tomorrow may bring!
8) Chip 8)
PS. Beware of new sites, also (I noticed the new postings while typing this)-when you viewed that video on YouTube, were you logged in to Gmail?
Yes I'm paranoid. Can you blame me?
i don't know what your talking about with the media not talking about that woman who was killed. she was not assassinated, and you clearly do not know the full story if that is what you think. the media would not stop talking about it and showing videos of it. she tried to drive through a baracade right by the white house. when she did that, the police surrounded her car with guns drawn and told her to get out. instead of listening and avoiding being shot, she tried to drive over the officers and flee. they were fully in the right to kill her, as their lives were in danger. fuck off and learn what you are talking about before you start spewing bullshit!
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Oh, and my guess? - Ulbricht was a fall guy. Quite possibly paid to take the fall. Some sort of loyalty to the group. This is no one man operation. Also the whole reason for the name Dread Pirate Roberts, has a meaning. You may already know, but for those who don't, see the Princess Bride. I've never seen it. Not my cup of tea. Though you can just go on Wiki or IMDB. In short, the title of DPR is just that. It's a position that is held by different people over time.
PS. Beware of new sites, also (I noticed the new postings while typing this)-when you viewed that video on YouTube, were you logged in to Gmail?
Yes I'm paranoid. Can you blame me?
What the fuck are you talking about???
Your not paranoid .....your out of your fucking mind!
A fall guy???? Jesus Christ your looney
And YES we can blame you!! You say stupid shit. Why would it matter at all if they were logged into their gmail account watching a youtube video? You know it is ok to have a real life and just log into SR to buy a few drugs for the weekend. Not everyone is a total fucking wreck and out of their mind.
There are some people in here that have admitted that they are nervous that they have not been arrested yet! They have been sitting at home basically just waiting for the cops to come knock on their door. They have even made post asking for advice!!
These poor kids got that way because they listened to you crazies not knowing you were actually crazy and totally paranoid a addicts.
There is a vendor, well an Ex vendor that is running around in the vendor only forums talking about how the FBI is going to start arresting massive amounts of people and everyone that did use pgp is on a list and they are all fucked and they should contact a lawyer. All crazy talk. Like you and your heathery(s)
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most of what we read in the "papers" is just bullshit fed by a bunch of three letter agencies - what's even more unreal than the story/stories, is the fact a lot of people seem to believe it all, or at least most of it.
propaganda is a powerful weapon, especially if you use it against a population of hedonist-opportunists mingling in the darkerwebs.
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Oh, and my guess? - Ulbricht was a fall guy. Quite possibly paid to take the fall. Some sort of loyalty to the group. This is no one man operation. Also the whole reason for the name Dread Pirate Roberts, has a meaning. You may already know, but for those who don't, see the Princess Bride. I've never seen it. Not my cup of tea. Though you can just go on Wiki or IMDB. In short, the title of DPR is just that. It's a position that is held by different people over time.
PS. Beware of new sites, also (I noticed the new postings while typing this)-when you viewed that video on YouTube, were you logged in to Gmail?
Yes I'm paranoid. Can you blame me?
What the fuck are you talking about???
Your not paranoid .....your out of your fucking mind!
A fall guy???? Jesus Christ your looney
And YES we can blame you!! You say stupid shit. Why would it matter at all if they were logged into their gmail account watching a youtube video? You know it is ok to have a real life and just log into SR to buy a few drugs for the weekend. Not everyone is a total fucking wreck and out of their mind.
There are some people in here that have admitted that they are nervous that they have not been arrested yet! They have been sitting at home basically just waiting for the cops to come knock on their door. They have even made post asking for advice!!
These poor kids got that way because they listened to you crazies not knowing you were actually crazy and totally paranoid a addicts.
There is a vendor, well an Ex vendor that is running around in the vendor only forums talking about how the FBI is going to start arresting massive amounts of people and everyone that did use pgp is on a list and they are all fucked and they should contact a lawyer. All crazy talk. Like you and your heathery(s)
Well said sir x