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Discussion => Drug safety => Topic started by: Ahoyhoy on July 12, 2012, 10:04 pm

Title: Best preloading / postloading regime for rolling on E
Post by: Ahoyhoy on July 12, 2012, 10:04 pm

For me it's...

1 x multivit tablet 50mg
1 x Tyrosine 20mg
1 x Lipolic acid 50mg
1 x Magnesium 50g
1 x 5-HTP 100mg
....and a glass of orange juice

This regime has been designed to avoid neurotoxicity and enhance the roll
Title: Re: Best preloading / postloading regime for rolling on E
Post by: antigrid on July 12, 2012, 10:37 pm
Preload w/ 5HTP all week leading up to roll (50-100mg per day) ; stop taking 5htp the day before you roll

Vitamin-C  Before, after and especially DURING your roll. Eat an orange while rolling. Vitamin C oxidises your brain and prevents neurotoxicity and helps keep you from getting that "cracked out" feeling. During the roll it will give you a burst.

Should also add to this thread what to NOT take or what to STOP taking before / during roll;
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I have rolled harder and more times then most people as I used to sell them. Do not take roxies or any other strong opiates before or during your roll. Extremely dangerous; it takes a lot to get me to a place where I can honestly say I was scared for my life, because I am usually the one helping people out of a crisis, but I had been taking roxies and mixing those two is asking for it.

Title: Re: Best preloading / postloading regime for rolling on E
Post by: slybootz on July 12, 2012, 11:16 pm
5htp, multivitamins, grapefruit juice, magnesium(pre), and vitamin water.  SOME people I know use a single dose of SSRI as a post-load to lessen the hangover, but I never seem too affected by the next-day hangover from mdma.
Title: Re: Best preloading / postloading regime for rolling on E
Post by: smokeweed420 on July 15, 2012, 02:56 am
i always preload with a bigmac meal at Mcdonalds. it makes me feel like the roll is doing less damage. afterwards i postload with a fruit smoothie. works like a charm every time
Title: Re: Best preloading / postloading regime for rolling on E
Post by: Ahoyhoy on July 15, 2012, 06:45 am
5htp, multivitamins, grapefruit juice, magnesium(pre), and vitamin water.  SOME people I know use a single dose of SSRI as a post-load to lessen the hangover, but I never seem too affected by the next-day hangover from mdma.


What's SSRI? What does it do?
Title: Re: Best preloading / postloading regime for rolling on E
Post by: Vinnyg007 on July 15, 2012, 06:56 am
SSRI's are things like Paxil and Celexa. Antidepressants. Selective Serotonin Re-uptake Inhibitors. I believe MDMA causes a high of serotonin and anti-depressants adhere to to the synapses and cause serotonin levels in the brain to become abnormally. Coming off MDMA would seem like it would cause a depressed feeling and it would possibly prevent that by causing excess serotonin in the synapse.
Title: Re: Best preloading / postloading regime for rolling on E
Post by: Ahoyhoy on July 15, 2012, 09:16 pm
SSRI's are things like Paxil and Celexa. Antidepressants. Selective Serotonin Re-uptake Inhibitors. I believe MDMA causes a high of serotonin and anti-depressants adhere to to the synapses and cause serotonin levels in the brain to become abnormally. Coming off MDMA would seem like it would cause a depressed feeling and it would possibly prevent that by causing excess serotonin in the synapse.


Thanks....+1
Title: Re: Best preloading / postloading regime for rolling on E
Post by: foxymeow on July 15, 2012, 09:21 pm
Rasgelline or Segeline. There is nothing that works better for pre-loading than MAO-Bs. Almost completely takes away suicide tuesdays, (although you are still going to be hungover).
Title: Re: Best preloading / postloading regime for rolling on E
Post by: stinkybuns on July 30, 2012, 09:44 am
I find the day after rolling balls the best thing in the world is an EXTRA LARGE Tim Horton's coffee.  Be careful with 5HTP folks, it is actually fairly potent stuff and it can strongly effect people in different ways.  100mg every few hours is okay.  I have never noticed it do anything for me, either as a mood stabilizer or pre/post MDMA tweak. 

I don't really get 'hangovers' from MDMA, but my sleeping is sure fucked up good and proper for the next week after dropping 400mg in a night (yes, I know).  I fall into these bizarre lucid dreams, it is quite disconcerting.  Seratonin is a funny thing that does all sorts of stuff in the brain. 
Title: Re: Best preloading / postloading regime for rolling on E
Post by: Synaesthesia on July 30, 2012, 12:18 pm
Most important thing, is just not to use MDMA too often. Methylone doesn't deplete your Serotonin as quickly, but I still prefer to try not use it often, wait longer for magical times.  :D
Title: Re: Best preloading / postloading regime for rolling on E
Post by: Ether on July 31, 2012, 03:03 am
http://www.rollinballzcrew.com/preload.shtml
Title: Re: Best preloading / postloading regime for rolling on E
Post by: Tryptamine on July 31, 2012, 04:34 am

For me it's...

1 x multivit tablet 50mg
1 x Tyrosine 20mg
1 x Lipolic acid 50mg
1 x Magnesium 50g
1 x 5-HTP 100mg
....and a glass of orange juice

This regime has been designed to avoid neurotoxicity and enhance the roll

Make sure the lipoic acid is Na-R-ALA or K-R-ALA.
And the magnesium should be Glycinate, Citrate, or Orotate, not Oxide, which is a pro-oxidant.

Most importantly, don't take 5-HTP! I bet none of you can come up with a good reason why you're taking it.
Title: Re: Best preloading / postloading regime for rolling on E
Post by: SpiceTrader on July 31, 2012, 04:46 am
http://www.rollinballzcrew.com/preload.shtml

Sounds legitimate
Title: Re: Best preloading / postloading regime for rolling on E
Post by: Spunkaroo on July 31, 2012, 09:00 am
Vitamin C oxidises your brain and prevents neurotoxicity

I don't think that's right. My understanding is that oxidation is the CAUSE of nerotoxicity, and Vitamin C, being an Anti-Oxidant, prevents this. Same with Vitamin E and Grape Seed Extract. In theory any anti-oxidant should help with the neurotoxicity side of things.
Title: Re: Best preloading / postloading regime for rolling on E
Post by: paxpax on July 31, 2012, 03:59 pm
There is a little misinformation here on 5-HTP. 5-HTP should not be consumed prior to a roll. Supplementing should be stopped 48 hours in advanced. 5-HTP could be taken post roll but the benefits are speculative. The Most important aspect of preloading is getting your anti-oxidants up. Do load up pre-roll, it is even smart to take a supplement during the roll. Nerutoxicity is the result of the massive oxidants introduced by one of MDMA metabolites. The oxidants tend to overwhelm the body's natural supply of anti-oxidants.
Title: Re: Best preloading / postloading regime for rolling on E
Post by: Ahoyhoy on July 31, 2012, 05:52 pm
5-HTP should not be consumed prior to a roll.

Really? Why not?
Title: Re: Best preloading / postloading regime for rolling on E
Post by: jennifers on July 31, 2012, 05:58 pm
I eat barely anything the day I'm going to roll.

I abuse the shit out of nitrous while rolling. And maybe some GHB. Seriously, people: MDMA/NO2/GHB is the greatest combo of life. It's all angels and blowjobs.

Once I'm done with the roll, like when I'm completely out of seratonin & the sun is coming up, I do a hit of GHB so I still feel a little high, take some vitamin B (to reup after the nitrous), and start an intensive 5htp regimen that lasts a few days.

If I don't have GHB I take xanax.

Title: Re: Best preloading / postloading regime for rolling on E
Post by: paxpax on July 31, 2012, 06:02 pm


5-HTP should not be consumed prior to a roll.

Really? Why not?

Hey Ahoy,
It is speculated that 5-HTP consumed immediately prior or during a roll increases the risk or serotonin syndrome. It's beneficial properties are also not confirmed. 5-HTP is best used to help restore levels after a roll.
Title: Re: Best preloading / postloading regime for rolling on E
Post by: gtgeorgz on July 31, 2012, 10:53 pm
the last time i rolled i took this everyday for the 3 days BEFORE i rolled:

5HTP - 50mg
Vitamin C - 500mg
Thiamin (Vitamin B1) - 12mg   
Riboflavin (Vitamin B2) - 15 mg   
Niacin (Vitamin B3) - 45 mg   
Vitamin B6 - 8 mg   
Vitamin B12 - 9 Ug   
Pantothenic Acid (Vitamin B5) - 22 mg   
Biotin - 130 Ug
Folacin (folic acid) - 370 Ug
Magnesium - 95 mg   
Zinc   - 10 mg   

On the day where i took the MDMA i didn't take any 5HTP, but doubled the dose of Vitamin C and tripled the dose of Magnesium and Zinc.
Then for 3 days after the roll, i went back to consuming what i took the 3 days before i rolled.
I also didn't eat anything for around 6+ hours before i took the MDMA.
I didn't experience a comedown as such but i have only taken MDMA about 5 times in my life. They have been spaced out at least 2months apart. The experience was very good one as well, but when is it not with MDMA?!  ;)