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Title: Order Seized by US Department of Agriculture CUSTOMS
Post by: mk0q1 on June 04, 2013, 12:09 pm
(I recently ordered shroom spores, I ordered to California where shroom spores are illegal.
The order took about 16 days to arrive. The box was sitting at my doorstep with blue tape all over it that said "Seized by US Department of Agriculture"
I opened it to find a later stating that they had found "Unknown Seed (Mail 287 Only) (Propagative Material)" It also says that "These Violations may result in Criminal or Civil penalties"
I'm very worried that I could get boned for this one, anyone have any helpful information?
Title: Re: Order Seized by US Department of Agriculture
Post by: dontek on June 04, 2013, 12:59 pm
No....you didn't order SHIT. Someone sent something to you without your knowledge. You have NO idea what was in the box, who sent it, why they sent it, etc.

Title: Re: Order Seized by US Department of Agriculture CUSTOMS
Post by: mk0q1 on June 04, 2013, 05:17 pm
Thats the route I'm going to be taking. I didn't order shit.

The letter has everything listed in steps, step 13 states "Disposition: Prohibited Material Removed and Destroyed". In combination with the fact that it says "Unknown Seed" Is it possible they destroyed it before finding out that it was shrooms, and just let it go, and the rest of the letter is beaurocratic bullshit?

It says "The Material described was found to be moving in the mail in violation of the agriculture quarantine regulation pertaining to the entry and movement of plants, plant products, animal products soil, and plant pests. These violations may result in criminal or civil penalties. Disposition was taken under authority of laws administered by the U.S. Postal Services, U.S. Customs and Border Protection, and the U.S. Department of Agriculture. All Inquiries concerning condition, delays, shortages or breakage should be addressed to teh Postmaster at the above port (item 1). Information concerning quarantine in item 12 may be secured on application to US Department of Agriculture. APHIS P.P.Q.

It then lists an address to contact them at.

It shows my address, the mail tracking number, breakage, and whether or not it needed "Reconditioning"
14. Reason for Disposition :Material not Authorized Entry, and Phyto-Sanitary Certificate Missing.
15. Remarks Containers material for Propagation. No Phytosanitary Certificate, then they state what the package was disguised as.

Don't they need a federal warrant to open up the package to begin with or can they open it up on site right then and there with probable cause?
Title: Re: Order Seized by US Department of Agriculture CUSTOMS
Post by: mk0q1 on June 04, 2013, 05:32 pm
bump

anyone have an experience with this type of thing?
Title: Re: Order Seized by US Department of Agriculture CUSTOMS
Post by: MrChronicFlame on June 04, 2013, 05:43 pm
Do your research on the fact. Bing it, Google it. Ask it. Seem's to me you got scammed... if they wanted to bust you. You'd be busted already.

Atleast thats what I think...


If not. Being calm is key.
(Take your mind off it, image your fuckin a hot playboy model or someshit) idk hah
Title: Re: Order Seized by US Department of Agriculture CUSTOMS
Post by: goldenrod on June 04, 2013, 05:47 pm
I don't think you got scammed but I don't think you should worry. Don't contact them.

As it's seeds they'll probably just destroy them.

The letter is a warning just to throw a scare into you.

That's just what I think.
Title: Re: Order Seized by US Department of Agriculture CUSTOMS
Post by: Jack N Hoff on June 04, 2013, 05:50 pm
Weird.  I highly doubt that anything will happen.  Did you order international and if so why?  There are many spore suppliers within the US.
Title: Re: Order Seized by US Department of Agriculture CUSTOMS
Post by: Phillippa Hole on June 04, 2013, 05:52 pm
bump

anyone have an experience with this type of thing?
Not to me in the manner you describe. But a friend of mine did get a pretty nasty letter from the DoA with threats of legal prosecution. She denied denied denied but nothing ever came of it.

I think they're designed to scare the living Jebus out of us and stop ordering shit online. My pal was nervous enough to remove her laptop from her house and made her orders elsewhere so there was no evidence of her making any purchases at her home. But I don't think any government department will go to those lengths to get a mere slap by the courts.
Title: Re: Order Seized by US Department of Agriculture CUSTOMS
Post by: wordpresshacker on June 04, 2013, 06:34 pm
I have a friend that works for them..

Standard proced like when customs opens your boxes the Customs tape..  Also it puts the USPS on alert, your address is tagged..

What im saying is your DROP IS BURNED!!!....


Do not order anything illegal... You will have a controlled delivery...

Title: Re: Order Seized by US Department of Agriculture CUSTOMS
Post by: jt23 on June 04, 2013, 07:17 pm
I ordered seeds a couple of years ago that got confiscated by customs, and I have had no issue receiving illegal goods from within my own borders. I have chanced ordering overseas... I think Mescaline, which came in an envelope that looked like it was from a travel company... Or some kind of fish food, I don't know- forget, but I haven't had any issues receiving domestic orders.

I did however just have a package that arrived from Canada, not illegal goods (hemp seeds), that was opened and the customs tape was on the package. It wasn't confiscated and still weighed heavy, but I hope that this didn't set up a flag anyways in the USPS system. I don't think it did, because I received something (weed) just after.
Title: Re: Order Seized by US Department of Agriculture CUSTOMS
Post by: Jack N Hoff on June 04, 2013, 07:21 pm
I ordered seeds a couple of years ago that got confiscated by customs, and I have had no issue receiving illegal goods from within my own borders. I have chanced ordering overseas... I think Mescaline, which came in an envelope that looked like it was from a travel company... Or some kind of fish food, I don't know- forget, but I haven't had any issues receiving domestic orders.

I did however just have a package that arrived from Canada, not illegal goods (hemp seeds), that was opened and the customs tape was on the package. It wasn't confiscated and still weighed heavy, but I hope that this didn't set up a flag anyways in the USPS system. I don't think it did, because I received something (weed) just after.

I've received 6+ customers seizure letters to several of my drop addresses and I still get plenty of international and domestic narcotic shipments through with no problems.
Title: Re: Order Seized by US Department of Agriculture CUSTOMS
Post by: wordpresshacker on June 04, 2013, 07:24 pm
Jt,

I had a Xpress even opened with 25 Pills and passed customs...  I was so scared as this was my second order and was flipping out blind looking for cops...

Title: Re: Order Seized by US Department of Agriculture CUSTOMS
Post by: mk0q1 on June 04, 2013, 07:38 pm
Weird.  I highly doubt that anything will happen.  Did you order international and if so why?  There are many spore suppliers within the US.

Yeah. I ordered International from the Netherlands. I'll keep you guys updated if anything happens. California law indicates any illegal spores can be up to a year in prison.. fucking ridiculousness.
I didn't realize I could order from within the US.

I have a feeling it is just to scare me, if they destroyed the goods and it said unknown seed they must not have gone too far into it. I've cleaned my house up of any illegal goodies and cleared up everything I could.
Now I'm worried about ordering more stuff from the SR, I've ordered K without a problem before from Germany... Probably not a good idea for the time being now though?

I considered that maybe I had gotten scammed but, it was covered in tape that had US Department of Agriculture Customs signs all over it, and the box was  torn on the edges and partially smashed in.. completely empty except 4 Clothes Pins (WTF?) and a bunch of packing peanuts. The Letter seems legit except one side of it that lists information on Plant Protection and Quarantine looks like it was printed on a printer from the 90s its really grainy.
Title: Re: Order Seized by US Department of Agriculture CUSTOMS
Post by: Jack N Hoff on June 04, 2013, 07:43 pm
Weird.  I highly doubt that anything will happen.  Did you order international and if so why?  There are many spore suppliers within the US.

Yeah. I ordered International from the Netherlands. I'll keep you guys updated if anything happens. California law indicates any illegal spores can be up to a year in prison.. fucking ridiculousness.
I didn't realize I could order from within the US.

Holy cow!  You ordered from one of the most flagged countries! :o  I don't know if they are still around but I've used sporestore.com and sporeworks.com.  There is probably over 300 companies to order spores from in the United States.
Title: Re: Order Seized by US Department of Agriculture CUSTOMS
Post by: mk0q1 on June 04, 2013, 07:45 pm
Weird.  I highly doubt that anything will happen.  Did you order international and if so why?  There are many spore suppliers within the US.

Yeah. I ordered International from the Netherlands. I'll keep you guys updated if anything happens. California law indicates any illegal spores can be up to a year in prison.. fucking ridiculousness.
I didn't realize I could order from within the US.

Holy cow!  You ordered from one of the most flagged countries! :o  I don't know if they are still around but I've used sporestore.com and sporeworks.com.  There is probably over 300 companies to order spores from in the United States.

Well shit.. now I know.. Rookie Mistake. Any ideas on how long I should wait before ordering more shit, or what I can do in the mean time? I need to order more shit asap but now I feel like I might be fucked.
Title: Re: Order Seized by US Department of Agriculture CUSTOMS
Post by: MrChronicFlame on June 04, 2013, 07:46 pm
Weird.  I highly doubt that anything will happen.  Did you order international and if so why?  There are many spore suppliers within the US.

Yeah. I ordered International from the Netherlands. I'll keep you guys updated if anything happens. California law indicates any illegal spores can be up to a year in prison.. fucking ridiculousness.
I didn't realize I could order from within the US.

I have a feeling it is just to scare me, if they destroyed the goods and it said unknown seed they must not have gone too far into it. I've cleaned my house up of any illegal goodies and cleared up everything I could.
Now I'm worried about ordering more stuff from the SR, I've ordered K without a problem before from Germany... Probably not a good idea for the time being now though?

I considered that maybe I had gotten scammed but, it was covered in tape that had US Department of Agriculture Customs signs all over it, and the box was  torn on the edges and partially smashed in.. completely empty except 4 Clothes Pins (WTF?) and a bunch of packing peanuts. The Letter seems legit except one side of it that lists information on Plant Protection and Quarantine looks like it was printed on a printer from the 90s its really grainy.


This is why you do domestic listings first.  ???

[EDIT do to response before thread reply] DO NOT ORDER ANYTHING, UNTIL U HAVE ANOTHER MAILING LOCATION
Title: Re: Order Seized by US Department of Agriculture CUSTOMS
Post by: 88fxstc on June 04, 2013, 07:47 pm
I think your only worry is maybe finding a new address to use. In the past I've ordered LOTS of weed seeds from overseas . Although it never happened to me, I know a couple people that for whatever reason had their seeds stopped from customs . All they got was the scary letter, as long as they didn't try to fight it , nothing ever came of it. I'm not talkin bout ordering from the Road here, this was long B4 SR.
Title: Re: Order Seized by US Department of Agriculture CUSTOMS
Post by: Scintillation on June 05, 2013, 06:13 am
Yes, I've recieved love letters before.  Nothing happens.  You'll be fine. Ignore the letter.  Do not contact them.  Discard of the mail. Relax.
Title: Re: Order Seized by US Department of Agriculture CUSTOMS
Post by: eguy85 on June 05, 2013, 10:11 pm
Don't order from NL
Title: Re: Order Seized by US Department of Agriculture CUSTOMS
Post by: ☼LightOfPi☼ on June 05, 2013, 10:15 pm
1 year of prison for having some 'mushroom sperm'.... oh boy crazy world we live in
Title: Re: Order Seized by US Department of Agriculture CUSTOMS
Post by: shermanhex4sun on June 05, 2013, 10:26 pm
As others have said: don't order from the Netherlands, or any high-risk countries, which would include Belgium in my book. i have never received a customs letter. from friends' experiences who have-- nothing has ever come of it-- and in some cases the good were outright illegal drugs, not plant material. i would try to relax. personally i would NOT order to this address for some time
Title: Re: Order Seized by US Department of Agriculture CUSTOMS
Post by: eguy85 on June 05, 2013, 10:47 pm
You know the US is fucked when the legal repercussions from drugs 100x outweigh the health repercussions
Title: Re: Order Seized by US Department of Agriculture CUSTOMS
Post by: ☼LightOfPi☼ on June 05, 2013, 11:32 pm
As others have said: don't order from the Netherlands, or any high-risk countries, which would include Belgium in my book. i have never received a customs letter. from friends' experiences who have-- nothing has ever come of it-- and in some cases the good were outright illegal drugs, not plant material. i would try to relax. personally i would NOT order to this address for some time

Belgium is considered high-risk? First time I hear that one!
Title: Re: Order Seized by US Department of Agriculture CUSTOMS
Post by: jt23 on June 06, 2013, 03:20 am
Yea the seeds I got were from "Nirvana" seeds in NL. Or one order came through but the other didn't.

The first order was disguised in an iPod protector. The second one was a wallet. I chose super stealth for first time but secondI decided to save 5 bucks... which disn't save anything when it came down to it.

It is no wonder it was opened. Label was handwritten. Tape all over package.

I may chance things like small orders of K or legal things like RCs ordering overseas... But weed- my main deal... No need.been tempted to order from Canada because it seems cheaper sometimes (before shipping maybe), but nah.
Title: Re: Order Seized by US Department of Agriculture CUSTOMS
Post by: Jack N Hoff on June 06, 2013, 03:26 am
Yea the seeds I got were from "Nirvana" seeds in NL. Or one order came through but the other didn't.

The first order was disguised in an iPod protector. The second one was a wallet. I chose super stealth for first time but secondI decided to save 5 bucks... which disn't save anything when it came down to it.

It is no wonder it was opened. Label was handwritten. Tape all over package.

I may chance things like small orders of K or legal things like RCs ordering overseas... But weed- my main deal... No need.been tempted to order from Canada because it seems cheaper sometimes (before shipping maybe), but nah.

The super stealth option on seed banks is almost always horrible.  I hate it.  Now days all the super stealth is sent with tracking and signature and they put it in a motherfucking shirt, wallet or with a damn coffee mug.  How is that stealthy on an x-ray, or even at all?!  When you open a shirt and breeder packs fall out. ::)  What the fuck?  The seed banks need to learn about stealthiness from us!  It really depends on what customs your seeds go through.  Some are great and some snag so many seed orders. >:(
Title: Re: Order Seized by US Department of Agriculture CUSTOMS
Post by: duty free on June 10, 2013, 07:50 pm
You need to get a new address if you're going to be ordering from overseas. Pretty sure once customs seizes contraband coming into the country, they flag the 'deliver to' address for very close inspection of parcels to that address from that point forward.
Title: Re: Order Seized by US Department of Agriculture CUSTOMS
Post by: Andrewbud420 on June 10, 2013, 07:57 pm
The post above mine is wrong. I received customs letters to a few addresses over the past year and have used the addresses multiple times to order a variety of different things from overseas. You stop using the address for a while.. couple months at least.
 



Title: Re: Order Seized by US Department of Agriculture CUSTOMS
Post by: Jack N Hoff on June 10, 2013, 08:01 pm
You need to get a new address if you're going to be ordering from overseas. Pretty sure once customs seizes contraband coming into the country, they flag the 'deliver to' address for very close inspection of parcels to that address from that point forward.

That is a common myth around here.  I've had at least a hundred seizure letters.  I've used the same addresses many times.  I've received a quarter kilo to an address that had at least eight seizure letters that same year.  Better safe than sorry though.  The logistics of watching all of the international mail to every address that ever had a seizure is mind boggling.  There are thousands of seizures everyday.  I never had problems BEFORE the USPS was broke.  You realize how much prescription pills goes through the mail everyday?  A very large amount.  If they later intercepted a large enough order of something for a controlled delivery then they would have it on file that you also had a seizure before though.  That's about it.  It's fucking spores lol.  I've always had narcotics seized, not dinky mushroom spores. :P
Title: Re: Order Seized by US Department of Agriculture CUSTOMS
Post by: duty free on June 10, 2013, 08:17 pm
No kidding. Hm, well I stand corrected. I guess it's another nod to the piece of advice to not believe everything you read. It does make sense though now that I think about it (derp). If they were checking the address of every piece of mail that entered the country, everything would take weeks or months to clear customs.
Title: Re: Order Seized by US Department of Agriculture CUSTOMS
Post by: Jack N Hoff on June 10, 2013, 08:28 pm
No kidding. Hm, well I stand corrected. I guess it's another nod to the piece of advice to not believe everything you read. It does make sense though now that I think about it (derp). If they were checking the address of every piece of mail that entered the country, everything would take weeks or months to clear customs.

Yeah.  It would be crazy.  Not to mention they're broke lol.  I recently had a half pound get to one of my customers from a flagged country in two business days! 
Title: Re: Order Seized by US Department of Agriculture CUSTOMS
Post by: wpwl on June 10, 2013, 08:31 pm
I dont think you have anything to worry about,  You got off when they figured out it was seeds..  They probably were looking for some extreme virus outbreak vial when they seen the hugh syringes in the xray.  who gives a fuck about seeds. There are only a few states spores are illegal in. 
Title: Re: Order Seized by US Department of Agriculture CUSTOMS
Post by: oxhunter on June 10, 2013, 09:26 pm
Hey,
I've been getting a bunch of stuff from overseas. Last week I had to go into the PO and sign for my package for no reason.I thought it was total setup, yet I went anyway. Turned out fine. I didn't get busted. Any idea why this happened? It was not registered mail? Should I be concerned that I have been red flagged?