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Title: MDMA does not work at all :(
Post by: nameless2 on April 25, 2012, 05:01 pm
Hello, I bought some MDMA from * (I edited because it shouldn't be relevant) and tried it 1.5 hours ago.
NOTHING AT ALL :( Really nothing happens.

How can that be? I just take an SSRI, but it shouldn't affect the effect that much?
Title: Re: MDMA does not work at all :(
Post by: MagicMan on April 25, 2012, 05:08 pm
Depends on your weight, amount of SSRI you take, and actual amount of MDMA you took (not the amount the vendor says)
Title: Re: MDMA does not work at all :(
Post by: nameless2 on April 25, 2012, 05:11 pm
I weigh only 60kg, used about 50-60mg and highest dose of SSRI.
Fuck it. Should I redose or have to wait a month?
Title: Re: MDMA does not work at all :(
Post by: Locrian on April 25, 2012, 05:12 pm
LOL troll.
Title: Re: MDMA does not work at all :(
Post by: nameless2 on April 25, 2012, 05:26 pm
Wish, I actually were just a troll :D
Title: Re: MDMA does not work at all :(
Post by: divinechemicals on April 25, 2012, 05:35 pm
60mg is not enough to roll, especially if you take an SSRI. I always take about 250 mg to have the perfect roll, so up your dosage. You shouldn't need to wait, just do it when you can.
Title: Re: MDMA does not work at all :(
Post by: nameless2 on April 25, 2012, 05:38 pm
60mg is not enough to roll, especially if you take an SSRI. I always take about 250 mg to have the perfect roll, so up your dosage. You shouldn't need to wait, just do it when you can.

uh, that's very irresponsible and not a good advice because you should add longer breaks (about a month) between each roll. That's what I read everywhere about XTC/molly.
I just put in more. We'll see.
Title: Re: MDMA does not work at all :(
Post by: divinechemicals on April 25, 2012, 05:44 pm
No, I mean that right now you don't need to wait before redosing. In general wait a month between a roll for sure, but right now taking more is just fine.
Title: Re: MDMA does not work at all :(
Post by: l1llykins on April 25, 2012, 05:49 pm
Which ssri are you taking? There are some that will completely prevent you from rolling while you're on it, especially if you're taking a lot. 

P.S. Your ideal starting dose for MD is 120mg.
Title: Re: MDMA does not work at all :(
Post by: nameless2 on April 25, 2012, 05:56 pm
I take citalopram 40mg a day.
Title: Re: MDMA does not work at all :(
Post by: l1llykins on April 25, 2012, 06:30 pm
It's not surprising that MDMA didn't do anything for you.

My advice would be to hang onto the rest of your stash until your doctor says it's safe to go off of the Celexa. Then give it a good 2 weeks before trying MDMA again.
Title: Re: MDMA does not work at all :(
Post by: Limetless on April 25, 2012, 06:46 pm
Gotta learn what goes with what OP. SSRI's cancel MDMA and doing 60mg wont do anything at all. You need at least 100-180mg. Like the poster above said, quit the SSRIs for a bit, wait two weeks and hit it with the right dose.
Title: Re: MDMA does not work at all :(
Post by: nameless2 on April 25, 2012, 06:51 pm
Okay, thank you all.
Did a bit of research on SSRI in combination with MDMA and it resulted in not affecting each other. Strange thing.
Title: Re: MDMA does not work at all :(
Post by: White Light on April 25, 2012, 07:20 pm
Okay, thank you all.
Did a bit of research on SSRI in combination with MDMA and it resulted in not affecting each other. Strange thing.

It's not true, you can read this for instance :
https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mdma/mdma_info9.shtml

That's true that 60mg is a weak dose, but some people might already feel the effects with a 60mg / 80mg dose (I am in this case).

WL
Title: Re: MDMA does not work at all :(
Post by: wowzers on April 25, 2012, 07:32 pm
I posted an example of this effect a few weeks ago. I went out to a club with a friend (female, 5'2", petite), I took a standard dose (total of around 180mg) and had a particularly intense experience. My friend ate 250mg and had absolutely no response at all. She'd been taking fluoxetine for a few weeks prior to this. I kind of feel intrusive asking people if they're on antidepressants before giving them drugs though  :-\
Title: Re: MDMA does not work at all :(
Post by: Limetless on April 25, 2012, 07:35 pm
I posted an example of this effect a few weeks ago. I went out to a club with a friend (female, 5'2", petite), I took a standard dose (total of around 180mg) and had a particularly intense experience. My friend ate 250mg and had absolutely no response at all. She'd been taking fluoxetine for a few weeks prior to this. I kind of feel intrusive asking people if they're on antidepressants before giving them drugs though  :-\

Did your friend have a nice rack?
Title: Re: MDMA does not work at all :(
Post by: DrunkenAfficianado on April 25, 2012, 07:37 pm
 :) Howdy OP,
I also take Celexa: 20mg a day. Celexa as you know is SSRI.  Check out this page to learn exactly how Ecstasy and SSRIs work in the brains nerves. It shows how serotonin is released and uptaken and should answer all of your queries.   http://dancesafe.org/drug-information/ecstasy-slideshow

It will take at least 72 hours for Celexa to leave your bloodstream. You will also want to eat some foods high in amino acids, especially Tryptophan. This includes chicken, turkey, and fresh/frozen soy beans.  It often takes two weeks for serotonin levels to recover to "normal" after being depleted by Ecstasy. 

The benefit to having a handy SSRI is that if you roll too heavily and want to come down, take an SSRI to do just that and avoid any neurotoxic effects.

So as another Celexa user of around your weight, I would plan ahead after your latest attempt, allowing two full weeks for the serotonin to replenish- even though you did a very minor dose.  My diet in those two weeks would be amino acid heavy, centering on good chicken and turkey and fresh frozen edamame Soy Beans (they're kind of stringy, but crisp and delicious and cook them like regular green beans or stir fry).  You might get a multi-amino acid supplement as well to maximize brain chemical replacement and recovery after your roll. 

5 days before your planned roll I would stop taking Celexa, and if you plan this ahead of time, you might taper down to a half dose the 3 days before that.

On your planned day of rolling, eat a big breakfast, but then nothing else for about 6-7 hours and drink lots of water so you will be hydrated well before the roll.  You probably would also want to take a major BM during the day to avoid any surprises during rolling. Take another multi-amino supplement, Vitamin C, Vitamin e, and a multivitamin. I also prefer to max out my B vitamins with a multi B vitamin.  Then "parachute" a 125 mg dose (this 125mg Ecstasy wrapped in a tiny rolling paper), wait exactly 45 minutes and parachute another 40-60mgs dose.  Do not wait over an hour to do this- the tolerance will have already escalated at that point. make it under an hour. 

Get ready to party.

Finally, if you are going out driving, get to where you need to be BEFORE parachuting anything.

Probably stay away from alcohol.

Once you come down around 5-6 hours later, take your normal Celexa dose before bed.  Take the next daily dose at lunch the next day. Return to normal scheduling.  Again wait a couple of weeks before rolling again.

Finally, you might like some nice weed and wine for final come down before bed.

Hope this helps.
DrunkenAfficianado
Title: Re: MDMA does not work at all :(
Post by: wowzers on April 25, 2012, 07:44 pm
Did your friend have a nice rack?

She's pretty tasty, unfortunately it's one of my mate's sisters so there's a subtle & unsettling resemblance. I probably wouldn't  :P
Title: Re: MDMA does not work at all :(
Post by: Limetless on April 25, 2012, 08:32 pm
Did your friend have a nice rack?

She's pretty tasty, unfortunately it's one of my mate's sisters so there's a subtle & unsettling resemblance. I probably wouldn't  :P

O.K Wowzers, I am going to have to make the executive decision here that you need to ignore the resemblance and hit that shit for 50 bonus man points for poking your mates sister. If you bang her in the ass 75. If you bang her in his bed 100. If you bang her in his bed and in the ass. I'll shoot you a free gram of drone and a few hits of a psychedelic of your choosing.... :P
Title: Re: MDMA does not work at all :(
Post by: wowzers on April 25, 2012, 09:33 pm
Nah, the missus wouldn't be too happy. Mandied up mutual groping she tolerates, if I pulled off your suggestion (as it were  :P ), I'd have all sorts of shit to deal with. Doing my own washing, buying my own beer etc...

I'm moving over to the 'chat more shit' thread, we seem to veer off topic pretty swiftly  ;D
Title: Re: MDMA does not work at all :(
Post by: Limetless on April 25, 2012, 11:08 pm
Nah, the missus wouldn't be too happy. Mandied up mutual groping she tolerates, if I pulled off your suggestion (as it were  :P ), I'd have all sorts of shit to deal with. Doing my own washing, buying my own beer etc...

I'm moving over to the 'chat more shit' thread, we seem to veer off topic pretty swiftly  ;D

Haha yeah we do don't we, oh there was a thread I wanted you to take a goose at actually. Check this out: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=20417.msg206912#msg206912 thoughts on this thread?

And as if your Mrs tolerates mandied-mutual-groping?! Where has your Mrs been all my life? You got one like her spare?
Title: Re: MDMA does not work at all :(
Post by: wowzers on April 26, 2012, 12:23 am


And as if your Mrs tolerates mandied-mutual-groping?! Where has your Mrs been all my life? You got one like her spare?

Yeah she does if the gropee is a friend   :-*

None going spare but 10 BTC p/h sound fair?  ;D
Title: Re: MDMA does not work at all :(
Post by: LainOfTheWired1984 on April 26, 2012, 02:45 am
Hello, I bought some MDMA from * (I edited because it shouldn't be relevant) and tried it 1.5 hours ago.
NOTHING AT ALL :( Really nothing happens.

How can that be? I just take an SSRI, but it shouldn't affect the effect that much?

You should be VERY careful about taking drugs if you take SSRI's. Seriously, be careful.
Title: Re: MDMA does not work at all :(
Post by: Limetless on April 26, 2012, 11:10 am


And as if your Mrs tolerates mandied-mutual-groping?! Where has your Mrs been all my life? You got one like her spare?

Yeah she does if the gropee is a friend   :-*

None going spare but 10 BTC p/h sound fair?  ;D

Yeahhhh I'm not gunna lie, I'm on that shit. We gunna dead-drop this? :P
Title: Re: MDMA does not work at all :(
Post by: wowzers on April 26, 2012, 11:28 am
Yeah, GPS dead drop, will PM you details later. She looks like Pine's avatar, make sure she's home by 11  :P
Title: Re: MDMA does not work at all :(
Post by: Limetless on April 26, 2012, 11:37 am
Yeah, GPS dead drop, will PM you details later. She looks like Pine's avatar, make sure she's home by 11  :P

ON IT LIKE SONIC!
Title: Re: MDMA does not work at all :(
Post by: Locrian on April 26, 2012, 10:31 pm
60mg is not enough to roll, especially if you take an SSRI. I always take about 250 mg to have the perfect roll, so up your dosage. You shouldn't need to wait, just do it when you can.

uh, that's very irresponsible and not a good advice because you should add longer breaks (about a month) between each roll. That's what I read everywhere about XTC/molly.
I just put in more. We'll see.

Yeah, it's important to take breaks when you actually roll.  You didn't roll.  Therefore, it doesn't apply.  The reason YOU should wait is because you need the SSRI out of your system.

I'm sorry for calling you a troll if you aren't, but you're pretty much doing everything wrong you possibly could.  I didn't think that was possible.  People that are NOT on an SSRI have to take at least 100mg, so what made you think that you, ON an SSRI, could take 60mg and roll?  Surely you're fucking with us.
Title: Re: MDMA does not work at all :(
Post by: darthvaderstar on April 27, 2012, 12:03 am
you need a higher dose..
Title: Re: MDMA does not work at all :(
Post by: nameless2 on April 27, 2012, 05:32 pm
60mg is not enough to roll, especially if you take an SSRI. I always take about 250 mg to have the perfect roll, so up your dosage. You shouldn't need to wait, just do it when you can.

uh, that's very irresponsible and not a good advice because you should add longer breaks (about a month) between each roll. That's what I read everywhere about XTC/molly.
I just put in more. We'll see.

Yeah, it's important to take breaks when you actually roll.  You didn't roll.  Therefore, it doesn't apply.  The reason YOU should wait is because you need the SSRI out of your system.

I'm sorry for calling you a troll if you aren't, but you're pretty much doing everything wrong you possibly could.  I didn't think that was possible.  People that are NOT on an SSRI have to take at least 100mg, so what made you think that you, ON an SSRI, could take 60mg and roll?  Surely you're fucking with us.

The reason I try lower doses of all drugs is the potential addiction. I fear the high euphoria a bit because I won't get that feeling without drugs. I don't need or want the overall perfect feeling, but just a little mood rise, you know? I searched for the mdma threshold and it is about 30mg, so I did 60mg.

Thank you all for answering.
Title: Re: MDMA does not work at all :(
Post by: Limetless on April 28, 2012, 10:35 pm
Dude...you can't get physically addicted to MDMA, it's impossible. And you aren't going to feel SHIT from 60mg. You need to do 100-150mg depending on your size/weight/metabolic rate. I'm quite a big guy so I take 180-250mg at a time.

You need to check this shit out. Where did you hear that 30mg was the threshold dose? Christ you could have just wikid it and got the proper dose there lol.
Title: Re: MDMA does not work at all :(
Post by: nameless2 on May 05, 2012, 02:39 pm
Hello,
i just stopped using the SSRI.
I have the following pill:
Edit because not relevant and would be a bad review maybe.

Should I try a half or the whole one?
Or is it a good idea to try a half and about an hour later the next half, just to be safe?

Is this the same pill? :-O
Edited

Tried a half 20 minutes ago.
Title: Re: MDMA does not work at all :(
Post by: nameless2 on May 05, 2012, 04:41 pm
Hm, after more than 2 hours and  a full pill nothing but a depressive mood and a light drowsiness :( fuck it.
Title: Re: MDMA does not work at all :(
Post by: genghar on May 05, 2012, 07:06 pm
You should probably wait 2-4 weeks for the SSRI to be completely flushed out of your body, and for your body to readjust and go about its business as it did pre-SSRI.
Title: Re: MDMA does not work at all :(
Post by: SoopaRolla on May 05, 2012, 07:29 pm
You realllly need to look up drugs before you use them.. SSRI's and M can fuck you up..
I was perscribed celexa, but then i realized i cant mix MDMA and Citalopram, so which did i choose not to do?
trick question fuck celexa just left it there forever.
Title: Re: MDMA does not work at all :(
Post by: nameless2 on May 05, 2012, 08:45 pm
You realllly need to look up drugs before you use them.. SSRI's and M can fuck you up..
I was perscribed celexa, but then i realized i cant mix MDMA and Citalopram, so which did i choose not to do?
trick question fuck celexa just left it there forever.

What do you mean with the part "trick question fuck celexa just left it there forever."?
Title: Re: MDMA does not work at all :(
Post by: Locrian on May 06, 2012, 12:13 am
He stopped taking the Celexa.
Title: Re: MDMA does not work at all :(
Post by: bsalt on May 06, 2012, 01:44 am
Hello, I bought some MDMA from * (I edited because it shouldn't be relevant) and tried it 1.5 hours ago.
NOTHING AT ALL :( Really nothing happens.

How can that be? I just take an SSRI, but it shouldn't affect the effect that much?

I find this common with those using anti depressants. As users you have to read up and be sure meds your taking aren't going to interact in anyway with your recreational drugs or the other way around.
Title: Re: MDMA does not work at all :(
Post by: SoopaRolla on May 06, 2012, 07:39 pm
He stopped taking the Celexa.

No, i never took it in first place... once i learned the wonders of MDMA, Celexa seemed obsolete
Title: Re: MDMA does not work at all :(
Post by: wowzers on May 06, 2012, 09:17 pm
Had a wild one on Friday night- one of the girls I was out with had been tapering her citalopram dose and had finished the previous Sunday. She'd never taken any MDXX drugs before & let's just say she responded VERY well to her dose.  ;D  Love seeing the afterglow on girls after their first drop  :P

So in this case cessation of citalopram a week before dosing allowed her to respond fully to the MD.
Title: Re: MDMA does not work at all :(
Post by: hondacivic480 on May 06, 2012, 09:59 pm
Had a wild one on Friday night- one of the girls I was out with had been tapering her citalopram dose and had finished the previous Sunday. She'd never taken any MDXX drugs before & let's just say she responded VERY well to her dose.  ;D  Love seeing the afterglow on girls after their first drop  :P

So in this case cessation of citalopram a week before dosing allowed her to respond fully to the MD.

At least your date had a good time. I remember about 10 years ago I met this girl at a club I took her to a Rave about 2 weeks later, I must of fed her 6 or 7 pills and she couldn't roll at all, That's when I learned about mixing Zoloft with MDMA needless to say it was a pretty shitty night.
Title: Re: MDMA does not work at all :(
Post by: Gibbroni on May 09, 2012, 03:56 pm
Very important key factors.

You cannot roll on an ssri. If you feel anything it will only be neutral or negative side effects.

As others have stated, 100mg is the minimum to lets say "breaking through" for most people who aren't even on ssri's.

Even somebody taking a high dose (170mg+), might not be able to consistently roll to their satisfaction if they do it even as infrequently as every few weeks.

It's the kind of thing you want to save for a few special occasions/big events.  IMO using 3 to 4 times a year would be optimal, with perhaps a year-long break every few years (if you can manage!!!)

MDMA doesn't make you feel good, MDMA releases serotonin which makes you feel good.
The production on serotonin in the human body is a sensitive mechanism and requires time, patience and respect.

My personal advice to you is to taper your meds down until you're off them (if you wish to do that...it's the only way you'll roll), wait a couple of months and take 150mg, on a reasonably empty stomach.
I understand your concerns about not wanting the drug to feel so good that you feel like you'll become addicted from loving it too much. Remember what I said about serotonin?  It's actually not possible to maintain a very frequent MDMA habit and have it remain magical and worthwhile, as the human body does not have enough serotonin.  It will certainly leave a very good lasting impression, and you will think about it often.  It's all fond memories and happiness knowing that after a couple of months passes, you can do it again!
Everyone is different, but if you follow my advice then I think you have a great chance at having a fantastic time with MDMA! 

P.S - Do it with friends if you can, it's so much better!
Set and setting are important, not cause you might freak out or anything, just cause mdma is made for sharing feelings and being on that level together.

Goodluck!
Title: Re: MDMA does not work at all :(
Post by: Gibbroni on May 09, 2012, 04:01 pm
Now someone show me karma goddammit!!!
hmm, probably shouldn't ask for it.
Oh well, do what you will. 
I don't actually care.
Well isn't this here awkward?
twood make me day.
actually don't worry.....
ha
Title: Re: MDMA does not work at all :(
Post by: nameless2 on May 10, 2012, 04:25 pm
OMG. Fuck off. I just took 1.5 LSD blotters about 1.5 hours ago, but nothing happens - just some strange changes. but nothing positive.
I guess, my serotonine receptors are somehow fucked up :( LSD - also a serotonine thing.
Title: Re: MDMA does not work at all :(
Post by: Hassan I Sabbah on May 15, 2012, 04:05 pm
I am having a very difficult time rolling on Molly. 
I wonder if it's b/c of a cross tolerance with the anti-depressants/anti-psychotics/viagra/heroin/coke/crack /LSD/DMT/magic mushrooms/weed/hash/tobacco/alcohol/benzos/GHB/Meth/internet porn/ I've been doing for the last 20 years.

This is gonna be very fucking difficult but I'll try abstaining for 3 hours and then try another 500 mg. rail of that X. If that won't work I'll do another 500 mg.

One way or another I am determined to get higher than a motherfucker (and a blowjob) before dinner.

"Drug misuse is not a disease it's a decision:
like the decision to step in front of a moving car."
                                                   Phillip K.Dick
Title: Re: MDMA does not work at all :(
Post by: nameless2 on May 16, 2012, 07:57 pm
Are you serious? Why do you do so many drugs?
Title: Re: MDMA does not work at all :(
Post by: Meister on May 16, 2012, 08:19 pm
Are you serious? Why do you do so many drugs?

I think that's a pretty average progression list, looks a lot like my list of the last 15yrs except I've never done crack or meth, replace those with peyote buttons and opium and we're on the same page.

Difference is he says mdma doesn't effect him, while it is a golden blissful night for me at just 170-200mg, 400mg and I'm fucking something that night whether they know it or not.