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Discussion => Drug safety => Topic started by: Steelo on July 17, 2013, 10:00 pm
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http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/item/f2d09f65d3
What does this mean that it's listed under Methylone? What's the difference, and can I sell it as normal MDMA?
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You're a scumbag if you sell methylone at MDMA prices. They are not the same.
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You're a scumbag if you sell methylone at MDMA prices. They are not the same.
This is not MDMA, this is methylone being sold at methylone prices.
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/item/f2d09f65d3
What does this mean that it's listed under Methylone? What's the difference, and can I sell it as normal MDMA?
BKMDMA = methylone, it's listed correctly. You could sell it as MDMA, but if it's correct? No, not at all. Never, ever sell illicit substances as another product.
You don't want people to die from an fatal combo because they thought 2c-b with MDMA would be okay when infact you send them 2c-t-7 instead of 2c-b.
You never know what people are going to do, the least you can do is the supply them with a clean and pure product.
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Ok guys, calm down. I don't intend to sell anything as something it's not I just wanted to know if they were the same things or not. Anyway thanks for the answers.
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Ok guys, calm down. I don't intend to sell anything as something it's not I just wanted to know if they were the same things or not. Anyway thanks for the answers.
This stuff is all on wikipedia if you want to read more.
Methylone is basically very weak MDMA.
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Ok guys, calm down. I don't intend to sell anything as something it's not I just wanted to know if they were the same things or not. Anyway thanks for the answers.
This stuff is all on wikipedia if you want to read more.
Methylone is basically very weak MDMA.
MDMA = MDMA
METHYLONE = METHYLONE
Two completely different drugs, both with their own property's.
"Hash is basically very weak weed" :o?
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I might be in the minority here but I feel like they are two completely different substances. Methylone has always been much more speedy for me, and it's very easy for me to tell the difference between M1 and MDMA. Granted, I have never done large doses of Methylone but at the dosages I stick to, they are very different.
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If OP didn't know the difference, I understand! And in fact you did the right thing that you asked here before you went on and sold a kilo of methylone as MDMA to a thousand people.
People buy MDMA to get the MDMA high right? They are expecting those "good happy happy joy joy" -vibes. Methylone is pretty much the same as MDMA, but much less effective. You will not experience the MDMA -high taking Methylone.
Any self respecting human, won't knowingly sell methylone as MDMA.
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Exactly, to me it's missing the warm emotional blanket which turns into sloppy uncontrollable mashy bliss at its superb peak. I would never mislead anyone anyway, it's bad karma as far as I'm concerned and if your product is good and pure, it usually sells itself.
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M1 (methylone) is always an easier come down for me and MDMA is much more addictive even towards the end of your trip.
And hey! KID!!!! since youre new at this and haven't already read up... these drugs are both very bad for you if consumed in too high of a dose!!!
Be careful and read up on any and all drugs before you use them, smart thinkin asking here but theres a ton of info over on clearnet.
Def DO NOT sell M1 as MDMA a simple reagant test will always help.
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You need to reagent test anything you plan on selling. If you started selling M1 as MDMA, you might not realize it's not MDMA, but your buyers sure as hell would. People on SR don't take too kindly to that. You'd end up in pretty deep shit, pretty fast.
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Methylone is basically very weak MDMA.
Bull-fucking-shit.
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Methylone is basically very weak MDMA.
Bull-fucking-shit.
Hmm, well IMHO the best way to describe Methylone is by saying it's the midget little brother of MDMA. Very weak and shorter acting and even though one might think midgets are magical somehow, methylone isn't. Also requires bigger doses if I'm not completely offtrack? Also it is more selective on serotonin and releases dopamine much less than MDMA. The "magic" on MDMA is partly because it also acts as an weak, but noticeable releasing agent of dopamine.
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Hmm, well IMHO the best way to describe Methylone is by saying it's the midget little brother of MDMA. Very weak and shorter acting and even though one might think midgets are magical somehow, methylone isn't.
"Weak" and "magical" are subjective.
Both drugs have about the same duration of action.
Also requires bigger doses if I'm not completely offtrack?
Correct, methylone is less potent than MDMA.
Also it is more selective on serotonin and releases dopamine much less than MDMA. The "magic" on MDMA is partly because it also acts as an weak, but noticeable releasing agent of dopamine.
Methylone has one third the affinity of MDMA to SERT and about the same affinity to DAT and that "magic" is caused by serotonin release, not dopamine. Otherwise you'd get similar "magic" from amphetamine and cocaine.
Also MDMA is anything but a weak dopamine releaser. It releases both serotonin and dopamine in large amounts.
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Do you have a better way to describe it?
Glad you're asking because I actually do. The come-up and come-down are smoother and its serotonergic component is only about a third of that of MDMA while its dopaminergic component is about the same, reducing its overall potency. This leads to users needing more to reach the same level of fucked up so a dose of methylone releases more dopamine and less serotonin than an equivalent dose of MDMA leading to a more "speedy" and less "loved-up" feeling.
Just saying 'bullshit' doesn't really mean anything. It's a completely useless contribution. Next time take a moment to consider if what you write is actually useful before you hit 'post'.
Get the fuck off your high horse. Making a claim that's completely subjective as if it was fact and doing literally zero arguing to support it is bullshit IMO.
In a pharmalogical way it makes sense. Release is mostly the same, but much less serotonin for example. Also less effect on monoamine transporters. It's much less potent in that sense.
Both dopamine and serotonin are monoamines so what the hell are you trying to convey here? ???
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Resources for people who are interested in understanding both drugs and their differences:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MDMA
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mdma/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methylone
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/methylone/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dopamine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serotonin
These might be interesting too:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dopamine_transporter
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serotonin_transporter
And if you really want to delve into the topic of monoamines, these are good starting points:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monoamine_neurotransmitter
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monoamine_transporter
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If you want to sell methlyone as MDMA I say go right ahead just realize one or more of the things below will happen:
One: You'll sell to someone who calls you out on your bullshit and then beats your ass.
Two: You'll make it all that more easier for real MDMA dealers to snag your customers as the real deal vs M1? Its like if Mike Tyson fought a 6 year old...in a wheel chair.
Three: You'll be responsible for a OD as someone will mix M1 in a manner it is not meant to be mixed.
Four: You'll turn people off from the amazing experience of a real roll, good job on damaging someone's thought train on a drug ya asshole!
M1 sold as M1 is a good time, I know many people who like it more then MDMA as it is less intense but then again its just bad mojo to sell drug A as drug C.
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I'm not a high horse and there's no need to get aggressive. Your post added nothing except saying mine was bullshit. How does contribute? At least now your posts are supported by something.
I didn't call you a high horse. "Coming off one's high horse" is an idiom.
The purpose of my post was to warn other readers about the incorrectness of your post. I didn't contribute to the subject matter at first, you're correct on that, but neither did you so what's your point?
Meant VMAT2, which isn't only for dopamin/serotonin. Sorry for the confusion.
Interesting, I didn't know methylone was virtually inactive at VMAT2. Might this be one of the reasons for the smooth come-down and essentially nonexistent hangover? Could this also mean less risk for neurotoxicity?
If you think 'weak' and 'magical' are subjective, then you obviously have never done one of the drugs, MDMA or methylone. MDMA is like the night of your life, pure magic. Methylone isn't that at ALL (if you would take 200mg of both, to keep the doses the same). With MDMA you have this huge ball of energy and love inside of you. With methylone you feel 'good' and you could even say euphoric, but you're not almost bursting out of your skin because you **HAVE** to make friends. The enhanced music and colors are sort of like MDMA. The physical effects are the same (tachycardia, dilation of pupils), but it's not MDMA. The peak isn't as explicit as with MDMA. MDMA = holy shit I'm on top of the world and the world is love. Methylone = I feel good and happy.
The first time I did MDMA it must've been like 40-50mg. That was the closest MDMA and methylone were ever together for me. Spent the night in the back of a car chilling and listening to Floyd, thinking about life and myself and talking to friends.
I have extensive experience with both substances and I like them both - MDMA for dancing and methylone for hanging out with friends. If I take MDMA when just chilling out with friends, it makes me do and say dumb things and if I take methylone when dancing, it just doesn't give me enough energy and euphoria.
I don't consider methylone to be "weak" but I can see how MDMA is more "magical" but the next person might not find it "magical" at all. Both words are very elusive in this context and aren't useful when trying to describe the effects of a drug, especially of (bk-)MDMA, which can exhibit huge differences in effects in every individual.
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Also it is more selective on serotonin and releases dopamine much less than MDMA. The "magic" on MDMA is partly because it also acts as an weak, but noticeable releasing agent of dopamine.
Methylone has one third the affinity of MDMA to SERT and about the same affinity to DAT and that "magic" is caused by serotonin release, not dopamine. Otherwise you'd get similar "magic" from amphetamine and cocaine.
Also MDMA is anything but a weak dopamine releaser. It releases both serotonin and dopamine in large amounts.
Sorry man, I think I confused the the dopamine thing with MDAI. However, ain't the amount of dopamine released by MDMA still relatively low when compared to basic amphetamine or meth?
Now that I look at my post, I think that I shouldn't have commented on the effects in the way as if I'd really know how methylone feels, as I have no experience from it.
However, I still stand by my words on the "magic" -thing. MDMA's magic is caused by the blend of serotonin AND dopamine receptor activity. If you'd take the dopamine factor out of MDMA, it wouldn't be the same MDMA experience and therefore one would not experience the same "magic".
MDAI is a good example of this. It is highly selective on serotonin and almost dead active on dopamine. Consuming MDAI won't give you the same magic as you get from the consumption from MDMA.
PS. good point about the subjective meaning of "magic".
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well almost everything i had on my mind has been said at some point in this thread but i have a few opinions some people might find useful.
bk-mdma can be used in a very different manner than mdma. i relate bk to cocaine more than i do to mdma. of course this is not based on the molecular structure.... its based on the effects of the drug.
bk tends to call me back for more, much like cocaine. it also has a sort of emotional blankness to it compared to the psychedelic-ish empathy of actual mdma. its very talkative, and unless you take a high ass dose right in the very beginning, it is simply going to act like a euphoric stimulant and you will feel "speedy"
like someone said earlier, mdma is an emotional rollercoaster that leaves you messy, or "gonked" as i like to say.
bk seems to be much less heavy on my brain, which i appreciate. like stated before though it isnt an mdma replacement, it has its own way of getting you high.
so for me, mdma has a more magical aspect to it... you begin to love and accept everything for what it is and it can be a life changing experience no doubt.
bk, is an awesome booster for social interaction, and can make you feel pretty good, but the empathogenic effects are way less intense than mdmas.
hopefully someone finds this useful lol :P
PS: since we are here talking about empathogenic drugs, can we stop the conflicts?
things like mdma remind us that we are all brothers here!! ;)