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Discussion => Philosophy, Economics and Justice => Topic started by: joywind on May 27, 2013, 08:33 am
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Charles Manson on drugs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nK_9k5nwFio (clearnet)
Charlie Manson Exposes Illuminati Methods :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vkd4NYrzdFQ
Summing up 25 years of Nikolas Schreck's research into the Charles Manson phenomenon, "The Manson File" illuminates unknown dimensions of Manson as philosopher, musician, Gnostic mystic, Mafia fall guy, revolutionary, and friend, lover and drug dealer to 1960s Hollywood's best-known rock stars and movie idols.
Drawing on police evidence suppressed during Manson's trial, Schreck exposes the "Helter Skelter" legend as one of the twentieth century's greatest cover-ups, unveils the hidden Mafia drug-dealing background of the "Manson murders" and traces the underworld connections linking the victims to their killers. The author's recent conversations with Manson and others directly involved in the psychedelic era's apocalypse allow the true story kept secret for decades to be told at last.
Probably the only out and out pro-Manson book that has ever been published. Contributers range from Manson sympathizers to out and out "family" members in essays and art. The good bulk of this book however is straight from Charles Manson himself. Interviews, quotes, transcripts of court and parole hearings, poetry and fiction written by Charles Manson, even artwork by him. The Manson File is probably the best book you can get to learn anything about Manson and his philosophy.
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Obviously an insane person. Insane people are not incapable of achieving variable levels of consistent thinking and/or clear insight. Mentally ill and/or inhibited persons are not exempt from having magnetic personalities (e.g. psychopaths), and many (most?) sick/disabled individuals are yet capable of an astonishing capacity for interpersonal manipulation. Manipulation of others has extremely low requirements with regard to intellect. Anyone with experience dealing with mentally ill or disabled family members[1] will readily attest to this. Just like religion, if Charles Manson is right about anything he raves about, he's right by accident.
[1] at the risk of appearing cold, I'll point out that the same is true of our pets. they can and will manipulate you to receive any desirable rewards they perceive as being kept by you. this is readily apparent in the behavior of cats.
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Complete psychopathic wackadoo! >:(
He doesn't seem like a psychopath. He seems like he has a mild case of schizophrenia, but not psychopathy. He hates society because it has persecuted him his entire life, not because he is a sociopath. He feels empathy for the downtrodden, castaway children, etc. Psychopaths don't feel empathy.
Obviously an insane person.
His "insanity" is that of a sensitive dreaming poet, not a murderous psychopath. He is "insane" in the same way that William Blake was considered insane.
sick/disabled individuals are yet capable of an astonishing capacity for interpersonal manipulation.
This is based on the assumption that he is guilty of what he is in prison for. I don't believe he is. He didn't kill anyone. He didn't tell people to kill anyone. And he never got a fair trial.
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Yea guys cmon Manson doesnt SEEM like a psychopath- just a mild case of schizophrenia, should cure up ina couple of weeks
His "insanity" is that of a sensitive dreaming poet- ??
This is great- an attempt to argue manson is just misunderstood and its really society that has the fault - cmon you guys he's cool-
also love the cat analogy - that is spot on!
ps i recommend the book ' the psycopathy test' by jon ronson ( also wrote men who stare at goats' its interesting and entertaining, but not as entertaining as this thread - please , joy, more !!!
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I agree with Joywind. The above post is garbage and doesn't add anything of value to the discussion. Some of us are genuinely interested in the truth and don't believe everything we hear in in the media. I can guarantee that you have not devoted any more than two minutes to investigating whether or not Charles Manson is guilty or innocent of the charges for which he is convicted.
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I agree with Joywind. The above post is garbage and doesn't add anything of value to the discussion. Some of us are genuinely interested in the truth and don't believe everything we hear in in the media. I can guarantee that you have not devoted any more than two minutes to investigating whether or not Charles Manson is guilty or innocent of the charges for which he is convicted.
Genuine interest in the truth is all well and good, but with all due respect read the thread subject again. "Outlaw Shaman, or Mass Murderer"? Regardless of whether or not he is guilty of mass murder, he is clearly no kind of "Outlaw Shaman". He is mentally ill, highly intelligent, and dangerous enough to be forcibly removed from society. That is unless everything we know about about him and his life, including the videos of his wild-eyed ranting, is completely fabricated. Which would be a ridiculous thing to believe.
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He's everything they say he is, it's just hard to tell because he's incredibly intelligent and articulate and he has very rational views about a lot of important issues.
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this is getting good- please tell us how manson is just a misunderstood poet- and not a raving lunatic- please tell us how because someone disagrees, their post is garbage and doesnt add anything of value...to a thread about how manson is misunderstood...yea this is getting good please enlighten us -
You should learn how to have a discussion. These kinds of sarcastic responses suggest that you are not genuinely interested in the topic. It sounds like you are more concerned with one-upmanship than coming to a better understanding of different perspectives on this issue.
He's everything they say he is, ...
There is simply no good evidence that he is guilty of ordering the Tait-LaBianca murders. As for his supposed insanity, the truth just sounds crazy to the ignorant majority. Anyone who knows the truth and lives by it is locked up and put on tranquilisers. His understanding of mysticism is not superficial, like that of a sociopath trying to fool people into thinking he is some kind of spiritual guru or something. He says things that only someone who has had direct experience of mystical illumination would be able to understand. His spiritual knowledge is much deeper than anything that can be acquired by reading religious scriptures.
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There is simply no good evidence that he is guilty of ordering the Tait-LaBianca murders. As for his supposed insanity, the truth just sounds crazy to the ignorant majority. Anyone who knows the truth and lives by it is locked up and put on tranquilisers.
I assume, by your chosen handle "The Scientist", that you have some solid evidence for this. The man is clearly insane from my perspective, but I'll be happy to suspend that conclusion in the face of good reasons to do so.
His understanding of mysticism is not superficial, like that of a sociopath trying to fool people into thinking he is some kind of spiritual guru or something. He says things that only someone who has had direct experience of mystical illumination would be able to understand. His spiritual knowledge is much deeper than anything that can be acquired by reading religious scriptures.
It can be difficult to determine the difference between a mystic and a psychopath, I'll grant you that. Perhaps that speaks more to the practical shortcomings of mysticism than to the idea that Manson is some kind of peaceful gnostic.
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Mass murderer.
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He could not pass the acid test.
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There is simply no good evidence that he is guilty of ordering the Tait-LaBianca murders. As for his supposed insanity, the truth just sounds crazy to the ignorant majority. Anyone who knows the truth and lives by it is locked up and put on tranquilisers.
I assume, by your chosen handle "The Scientist", that you have some solid evidence for this. The man is clearly insane from my perspective, but I'll be happy to suspend that conclusion in the face of good reasons to do so.
His understanding of mysticism is not superficial, like that of a sociopath trying to fool people into thinking he is some kind of spiritual guru or something. He says things that only someone who has had direct experience of mystical illumination would be able to understand. His spiritual knowledge is much deeper than anything that can be acquired by reading religious scriptures.
It can be difficult to determine the difference between a mystic and a psychopath, I'll grant you that. Perhaps that speaks more to the practical shortcomings of mysticism than to the idea that Manson is some kind of peaceful gnostic.
Are we talking about the fellow with a swastika self carved into his forehead? For me that's a bit of a giveaway....oh no wait its a Hindu symbol for brotherly love isn't it? NO ITS A SWASTIKA! I mean maybe he is just trying to make us question our preconceptions.
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He could not pass the acid test.
congratulations, you just got my first +1 karma point hahahahahhaahaha
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neither shaman, nor psychopath, nor mass murderer. a simple con, who wasnt even good enough to avoid the death penalty for murders he never even committed. no philosophy outside of a born-to-be life-long-prisoner babble which is condescending, to hide his low intelligence and personal shortcomings. yup! another loser rotting , but with enough game, to enchant certain kinds of ppl, over and over again. no criticism for his enamours, my dislike is strictly for charlie.
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it is sad to see how closed-minded and superficial many people on this forum are.
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it is sad to see how closed-minded and superficial many people on this forum are.
Name calling is the last resort of the intellectually bankrupt.
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John Wayne Gacy: Beloved Clown, or Serial Child Rapist?
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im ggggigglin at peckish! exactly!!!! i been up for a while, no doubt!!!!!! shows does it?? fuuuuuuuuck i love this shit. im hopin yall are big enough to overlook my shortcomings, especially as the month AND the posts get longer. im guaranteed more than one public stumble. i hope someone steps in and gently steers me back towards the light without too much unkindness and upset. i'll be fine, but i loves to get fukd up, and offer no apologies for my addiction, only my offensive behavior. i was hopin small differences of opinion wouldnt be offensive. i know my grammar offends; i wish it didnt....cant win em all! much love yall
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You should learn how to have a discussion. These kinds of sarcastic responses suggest that you are not genuinely interested in the topic. It sounds like you are more concerned with one-upmanship than coming to a better understanding of different perspectives on this issue.
he truth just sounds crazy to the ignorant majority. Anyone who knows the truth and lives by it is locked up and put on tranquilisers.
Couldn't have have said it better myself mate! That's +1 worthy and I'm also worthy of adding you to my buddy list. It's such a truly sad fact that despite all the information available that people have literally been drugged, institutionalized & then discredited for and / or died for trying to make available to the public concerning the real truth which is readily obtainable to nearly everyone, people still just accept the shit their spoon fed with absolutely no questioned asked. Which is something I've had alot of trouble understanding considering nearly all of the working middle class would agree that "the Government's really fucking us over" and other generalized grievances using blaming the "government" cause they don't know who else is really responsible for this mess we're currently in, without EVER further looking into who is REALLY responsible for fucking them over their whole life!! Not just for 2 presidential terms or what have you!!
Furthermore I get angry when these very same people call ME an "conspiracy nut job" or anything to that effect and they're the type to not even be inclined to read a fucking newspaper let alone anything else for that matter. It's funny cause a vast majority of these same people still feel that their informed enough to challenge you to some sort of pseudo-debate over these matters and even in the face of presented with solid research and viable information will still resort to calling you names and other forms of low-brow conversation.
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John Wayne Gacy: Beloved Clown, or Serial Child Rapist?
LOL!! LOL!! LOL! LOL! ;D ;D ;D
Ah man fuck I haven't laughed like that in a lonnngggg time!! Thanks man!!! +1 for you..
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You should learn how to have a discussion. These kinds of sarcastic responses suggest that you are not genuinely interested in the topic. It sounds like you are more concerned with one-upmanship than coming to a better understanding of different perspectives on this issue.
he truth just sounds crazy to the ignorant majority. Anyone who knows the truth and lives by it is locked up and put on tranquilisers.
Couldn't have have said it better myself mate! That's +1 worthy and I'm also worthy of adding you to my buddy list. It's such a truly sad fact that despite all the information available that people have literally been drugged, institutionalized & then discredited for and / or died for trying to make available to the public concerning the real truth which is readily obtainable to nearly everyone, people still just accept the shit their spoon fed with absolutely no questioned asked. Which is something I've had alot of trouble understanding considering nearly all of the working middle class would agree that "the Government's really fucking us over" and other generalized grievances using blaming the "government" cause they don't know who else is really responsible for this mess we're currently in, without EVER further looking into who is REALLY responsible for fucking them over their whole life!! Not just for 2 presidential terms or what have you!!
Furthermore I get angry when these very same people call ME an "conspiracy nut job" or anything to that effect and they're the type to not even be inclined to read a fucking newspaper let alone anything else for that matter. It's funny cause a vast majority of these same people still feel that their informed enough to challenge you to some sort of pseudo-debate over these matters and even in the face of presented with solid research and viable information will still resort to calling you names and other forms of low-brow conversation.
What are you talking about? Please be specific.
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it is sad to see how closed-minded and superficial many people on this forum are.
+1. Of course we are are! :)
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And Hitler was a vegetarian.
Stopped clocks, etc, etc...
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Joywind, Manson ordered the murder of innocent people he was barely associated with. What if you had been in the Polanski house by chance that night? I don't think you'd see him so romantically. Get your head out of your ass or the drugs out of your head for a second.
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John Wayne Gacy: Beloved Clown, or Serial Child Rapist?
lol'd hard
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Manipulative mass murdering fuckhead...comparing him to William Blake is just ignorant
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What are you talking about? Please be specific.
Sorry mate but I think that I was meant to address the fella under the handle of "The Scientist" after looking at who I quoted. I can elaborate for you if you want but it was his comment "the truth just sounds crazy to the ignorant majority. Anyone who knows the truth and lives by it is locked up and put on tranquilizers" that I was expanding on. I don't want to waste both my time and yours if you're not genuinely interested in this sort of thing and I'm especially not going to waste my breath if all I'm going to get in exchange is to be called "an idiot with too much time on my hands". I'm not assuming that's what I'm going to get from you specifically but it's generally the kind of response I can expect from the "ignorant majority" as The Scientist put it. And please don't take that as me calling you or anyone else here ignorant for that matter. Matter of fact I'd prefer it if you didn't want me to elaborate for that very reason. But I will if you're actually interested.
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ORIGINAL NUTTAH ;D
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Matter of fact I'd prefer it if you didn't want me to elaborate for that very reason. But I will if you're actually interested.
Actually I'm quite interested. Perhaps you'll accept the challenge "The Scientist" did not[1].
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[1] http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=164395.msg1168436#msg1168436
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Matter of fact I'd prefer it if you didn't want me to elaborate for that very reason. But I will if you're actually interested.
Actually I'm quite interested. Perhaps you'll accept the challenge "The Scientist" did not[1].
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[1] http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=164395.msg1168436#msg1168436
What's this challenge that you speak of may I ask? And I'm more than happy to discuss this stuff with you as long as it stays a conversation and doesn't descend into an argument and name calling like you see often see internet-wide. Also I need to tell you that I may risk coming across as crazy, raving lunatic due to the complexity and enormity of this kinda topic. I'll do the best I can to try and stay to the point but there are so many inter-related aspects to this discussion that it makes it very easy to stray from the original discussion. This often then leads to me being to articulate the big picture and quite often the person on the other end of the discussion feels no better informed than before the conversation started. And that's if I'm no shot down by someone who wants to come out swinging with nothing but cynicism to offer to the conversation.
So what is you want know exactly? Where would you like to start? Or am I just expanding on the quote from The Scientist for you?
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1. If you'd follow the link you'd be clearer about what I'm asking.
2. Go ahead and take the risk of appearing insane. Perhaps I can either come to agree with you or talk you out of thinking that way :)
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"I killed them Charlie."
"Well shit. WHAT THE FUACK YE' TELLING ME FER'?!?!"
You can't argue with that sentiment