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Discussion => Drug safety => Topic started by: Bastian on April 06, 2013, 06:35 pm

Title: Some basic questions about Heroin
Post by: Bastian on April 06, 2013, 06:35 pm
Hello all,

I would like to know some things about Heroin. I'm interested because of medical benefits.

- what is the half-life period of Heroin , and does that depend on the way of consuming it?
(which lasts longer: Snort, Vape...)

- So how often does one have to take it a day to have a  steady dose in the blood without real withdraw?

- Can you compare 1g Heroin (if pure) with 1000mg of morphine for example?
  = "if i would use 50mg of morphine a day, is 50mg of Heroin enough, too - or no way to compare?"
(thing is, heroin is much cheaper)

- Can you eat it also? (like taking a morphine pill)
- Can it be used rectal/anal? (know its a silly question but most substances have greater availability than oral)

- How dangerous are the major impurities ? And which way of consuming has less risk with impurities?

- How much impurities are common? 20%? 40%?

- Is there a rule what the descriptions mean "Nr. 3" "Nr.4 Heroin" - is there a known code, and which is best? Where is the difference between brown and white?

- If - worst case - one would have to switch to another opiate - is there a strong withdrawal if you switch to morphine f.e.?

Thank you all
Title: Re: Some basic questions about Heroin
Post by: grdr on April 07, 2013, 01:04 am
- half life about 6 hours snorting longer/vaping shorter

- don't go over two days and you won't feel any withdrawal

- 1000 mg of diamorphine is 2500 mg of morphine

- you can take it oral but you'll soon find out that 1 gram of heroin isn;t 1 gram at all because of the purity and it would be a waste
- yes it can be taken rectally with great bioavailability

- you never know what it is cut with (what impurities it has). some may be good like diphenhydramine some bad . Smoking/snorting probably or rectally. If you know your shit then purify heroin you get.

- more like how pure heroin is cmmon. Well average is 30-40 %, 60-70% is very good. Shame no one's sending to check vendors heroin purity to labs and there's so much heroin users.

- no3 is freebase for smoking on foil if you want to shoot  it you need to add acid. no4 is hydrochloride its soluble in water and you can snort it/ shoot it. best thing to smoke is black tar - it's better than heroin.

- your tolerance will build up a bit higher but you will still have your opiate so you can lower its dose and go through withdrawal then up again till you;re OK.(neverr done this so I'm not  sure)

Ok Thats it I need + karma now for my time thanks.


Title: Re: Some basic questions about Heroin
Post by: thegalactica420 on April 07, 2013, 09:21 am
- no3 is freebase for smoking on foil if you want to shoot  it you need to add acid. no4 is hydrochloride its soluble in water and you can snort it/ shoot it. best thing to smoke is black tar - it's better than heroin.
well black tar is just slang for no3
Title: Re: Some basic questions about Heroin
Post by: Bastian on April 07, 2013, 11:04 am
Thank you so much grdr!

I'm new here - don't know about this karma thing? How can I give you a "+"?

And thank you thegalactica420 - but why does the black tar look different in the SR pictures to #3?
(but I would use #4 anyway - as far as I'm informed right atm)

China white is the purest I guess?

Is there a way to work the Heroin - to purify it and have 99,9% heroin? Edit: Found some descriptions :)

Thing is, I need it for medical needs and want to be sure that there is no "poison" added or similar.
Title: Re: Some basic questions about Heroin
Post by: Bastian on April 07, 2013, 11:25 am
Is it hard to stick to the same amount of heroin every day - without going up with the dosage?
I would take it as a morphine replacement and don't plan to do the dark path of getting higher and higher everyday.
I would use a method without a rapid rush - no IV! - perhaps snort it - but think would try to eat it or use rectal  ::)

(excuse my poor english ;) )
Title: Re: Some basic questions about Heroin
Post by: 34trimethoxy on April 07, 2013, 02:54 pm
- no3 is freebase for smoking on foil if you want to shoot  it you need to add acid. no4 is hydrochloride its soluble in water and you can snort it/ shoot it. best thing to smoke is black tar - it's better than heroin.
well black tar is just slang for no3

Lol

No it's,

Please don't spread misinformation on these boards.
Title: Re: Some basic questions about Heroin
Post by: DrugsAreFun on April 07, 2013, 04:20 pm
- no3 is freebase for smoking on foil if you want to shoot  it you need to add acid. no4 is hydrochloride its soluble in water and you can snort it/ shoot it. best thing to smoke is black tar - it's better than heroin.
well black tar is just slang for no3

You're half right but black tar and no3 are two totally different things.  No3 is just rarely seen in the US so you may not know much about it.  Yes, it's not water soluble so it's not very good for nasal use and you'll have to add crap into it if you want to IV.  It's best for smoking.  Black tar on the other hand, can be taken just about any ROA.  Smoking is very popular since you can just throw it on a foil and light up as is.  IV is possible using only water (and maybe a little heat.) and you can even snort it by mixing with water and snorting the solution.  Black tar is mostly found on the west coast US and southern US since most of it comes up through Mexico.  And then you've got good ole No4, which is the best for IV (good dope will just disolve clean in water with no heat needed) and great for snorting but no go on smoking.
Title: Re: Some basic questions about Heroin
Post by: thegalactica420 on April 08, 2013, 04:46 am
- no3 is freebase for smoking on foil if you want to shoot  it you need to add acid. no4 is hydrochloride its soluble in water and you can snort it/ shoot it. best thing to smoke is black tar - it's better than heroin.
well black tar is just slang for no3

You're half right but black tar and no3 are two totally different things.  No3 is just rarely seen in the US so you may not know much about it.  Yes, it's not water soluble so it's not very good for nasal use and you'll have to add crap into it if you want to IV.  It's best for smoking.  Black tar on the other hand, can be taken just about any ROA.  Smoking is very popular since you can just throw it on a foil and light up as is.  IV is possible using only water (and maybe a little heat.) and you can even snort it by mixing with water and snorting the solution.  Black tar is mostly found on the west coast US and southern US since most of it comes up through Mexico.  And then you've got good ole No4, which is the best for IV (good dope will just disolve clean in water with no heat needed) and great for snorting but no go on smoking.
well i stand corrected i had always thought that no3 was less pure black tar. so it seems that black tar is a much less refined type of heroin that contains all of the alkaloids and more organic material than the more refined no3 and no4. i guess the biggest difference is the method of synth and you end up with alot more un reacted monoacetylmorphine. again my bad im not familiar with every kind of heroin available globally.