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Discussion => Shipping => Topic started by: cyb3rwheadon on April 02, 2012, 07:50 pm
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What are people's experiences with postal office boxes in United States? What size boxes work well, how do oversized envelope pickups go? Have you heard of anyone getting caught trying to pick up their mail? Does the postal staff play games with you?
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If the package is too big to fit in the box, they leave a slip. You take the slip up to the counter, they give you your package. A larger box would be ideal, that way you can go grab your pack 24/7 making it much harder for LEO to perform a controlled delivery.
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I use the smallest PO box they offer. Most everything I order but boxes fit in it anyway. Anything that's too big, they just put in a bigger box and leave a key to the bigger box in my PO box. The lobby's open 24/7, so I can grab whatever at any time. Never had any problems.
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I use the smallest PO box they offer. Most everything I order but boxes fit in it anyway. Anything that's too big, they just put in a bigger box and leave a key to the bigger box in my PO box. The lobby's open 24/7, so I can grab whatever at any time. Never had any problems.
Just curious, are you using an actual USPS PO box?
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You always will want to use a private mailbox service ( UPS, mom and pop, Mailboxes etc ) and not the USPS ones.
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You always will want to use a private mailbox service ( UPS, mom and pop, Mailboxes etc ) and not the USPS ones.
Actually... Those fuckers attributed to Ene's downfall when the feds questioned them. The employees mentioned that he was avoiding touching a slip he had to sign for.
Protip:USPS signs for packages that need signed for and put them right in the po box, then you don't have to sign even when you do have to sign. 8)
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You always will want to use a private mailbox service ( UPS, mom and pop, Mailboxes etc ) and not the USPS ones.
Actually... Those fuckers attributed to Ene's downfall when the feds questioned them. The employees mentioned that he was avoiding touching a slip he had to sign for.
Protip:USPS signs for packages that need signed for and put them right in the po box, then you don't have to sign even when you do have to sign. 8)
Ene's downfall was his own fault for practicing poor opsec. Private mailbox companies do that as well and are more lenient about IDs, cameras, etc.
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You always will want to use a private mailbox service ( UPS, mom and pop, Mailboxes etc ) and not the USPS ones.
Actually... Those fuckers attributed to Ene's downfall when the feds questioned them. The employees mentioned that he was avoiding touching a slip he had to sign for.
Protip:USPS signs for packages that need signed for and put them right in the po box, then you don't have to sign even when you do have to sign. 8)
No postal employee is likely gonna lie to a federal agent if they are questioned about a customer ... so you cant really say UPS Store ( or wherever ) is responsible for anything. I mean if a guy is being sketchy, a guy is being sketchy and people remember that kind of thing.
Are you sure about the USPS part ? I know UPS Store signs for packages and puts them in your box.
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You always will want to use a private mailbox service ( UPS, mom and pop, Mailboxes etc ) and not the USPS ones.
Actually... Those fuckers attributed to Ene's downfall when the feds questioned them. The employees mentioned that he was avoiding touching a slip he had to sign for.
Protip:USPS signs for packages that need signed for and put them right in the po box, then you don't have to sign even when you do have to sign. 8)
Ene's downfall was his own fault for practicing poor opsec. Private mailbox companies do that as well and are more lenient about IDs, cameras, etc.
I know what Ene's main downfall was, however if he would of not been using a PMB and opted for po box instead then he wouldn't of got caught acting shady signing for that methylone or whatever it was. He also could of ditched a shady po transaction easier than a PMB situation because you only have to walk into a lobby, not an actual store front. Hell the po box I used to use didn't even have cameras in the lobby or parking lot. 8)
That's neither here nor there because when you have over a quarter mil and a pound of Molly among other interesting things like almost a gram of LSD total when you get raided, you're pretty much fucked no matter where you're drugs were being sent to.
Hell the po box I used to use didn't even have cameras in the lobby or parking lot. 8)
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You always will want to use a private mailbox service ( UPS, mom and pop, Mailboxes etc ) and not the USPS ones.
Actually... Those fuckers attributed to Ene's downfall when the feds questioned them. The employees mentioned that he was avoiding touching a slip he had to sign for.
Protip:USPS signs for packages that need signed for and put them right in the po box, then you don't have to sign even when you do have to sign. 8)
Ene's downfall was his own fault for practicing poor opsec. Private mailbox companies do that as well and are more lenient about IDs, cameras, etc.
I know what Ene's main downfall was, however if he would of not been using a PMB and opted for po box instead then he wouldn't of got caught acting shady signing for that methylone or whatever it was. He also could of ditched a shady po transaction easier than a PMB situation because you only have to walk into a lobby, not an actual store front. Hell the po box I used to use didn't even have cameras in the lobby or parking lot. 8)
That's neither here nor there because when you have over a quarter mil and a pound of Molly among other interesting things like almost a gram of LSD total when you get raided, you're pretty much fucked no matter where you're drugs were being sent to.
Hell the po box I used to use didn't even have cameras in the lobby or parking lot. 8)
They couldn't have possibly got a warrant based on him 'acting shady' when signing for a package. His real error was continuing to use the PMB after receiving multiple love letters to it.
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You always will want to use a private mailbox service ( UPS, mom and pop, Mailboxes etc ) and not the USPS ones.
Actually... Those fuckers attributed to Ene's downfall when the feds questioned them. The employees mentioned that he was avoiding touching a slip he had to sign for.
Protip:USPS signs for packages that need signed for and put them right in the po box, then you don't have to sign even when you do have to sign. 8)
No postal employee is likely gonna lie to a federal agent if they are questioned about a customer ... so you cant really say UPS Store ( or wherever ) is responsible for anything. I mean if a guy is being sketchy, a guy is being sketchy and people remember that kind of thing.
Are you sure about the USPS part ? I know UPS Store signs for packages and puts them in your box.
I wasn't sayins USPS employee would lie for you, or that the PMB people really attributed to him being busted. Rather saying that po box would of avoided the signing in the first place.
I have had packs sent to my po box that were signature confirmation and they were delivered to my box without me signing. Ene picked up that methylone and had to sign for it. I have no IRL experience with UPS store, just know that's
what Ene was using.
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You always will want to use a private mailbox service ( UPS, mom and pop, Mailboxes etc ) and not the USPS ones.
Actually... Those fuckers attributed to Ene's downfall when the feds questioned them. The employees mentioned that he was avoiding touching a slip he had to sign for.
Protip:USPS signs for packages that need signed for and put them right in the po box, then you don't have to sign even when you do have to sign. 8)
Ene's downfall was his own fault for practicing poor opsec. Private mailbox companies do that as well and are more lenient about IDs, cameras, etc.
I know what Ene's main downfall was, however if he would of not been using a PMB and opted for po box instead then he wouldn't of got caught acting shady signing for that methylone or whatever it was. He also could of ditched a shady po transaction easier than a PMB situation because you only have to walk into a lobby, not an actual store front. Hell the po box I used to use didn't even have cameras in the lobby or parking lot. 8)
That's neither here nor there because when you have over a quarter mil and a pound of Molly among other interesting things like almost a gram of LSD total when you get raided, you're pretty much fucked no matter where you're drugs were being sent to.
Hell the po box I used to use didn't even have cameras in the lobby or parking lot. 8)
They couldn't have possibly got a warrant based on him 'acting shady' when signing for a package. His real error was continuing to use the PMB after receiving multiple love letters to it.
lol, I know this. I said I know what the real downfall was ;) Just saying some of the things leading up to it could of possibly been avoided you closed minded individual you.
We all know what happened to him was his own fault but if techniques can be used to possibly prevent what happened to him then others may learn from that;)
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can someone explain why po or even private boxes are better than just using your home address. i dont have the means to get a good fake id, and would rather not pay monthly for a service that im questionable of. post offices have cameras, and if there is a controlled delivery arranged, how the hell can u avoid that? u would be just as screwed.
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Seuss ... your right. If you arent using a means of concealing your identity than postal boxes have no real purpose / deniability attached to them.
@mike.murphy ... UPS Store signs for your packages too.
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Seuss ... your right. If you arent using a means of concealing your identity than postal boxes have no real purpose / deniability attached to them.
yea but say u have a great fake id, no flaws, scans, etc. theres no avoiding a controlled delivery to your box, is there? they would be waiting for u and when u enter and open up your box and once they see u take the letter/package, you're fucked.
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yea im curious about this as well. i want to get a new identity and po box to improve my security away from my name and home. but whats to prevent them from doing a control on your po box? add mail fraud to your charges as well
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Nothing is going to prevent them from doing a controlled delivery.
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Nothing is going to prevent them from doing a controlled delivery.
then whats the point?
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Well there is a few benefits ...
1. A good lawyer can argue you some deniability if you didn't sign for it / open it before the officers come.
2. Most PMB's offer 24 hour access to your box. So you can leave items for a day or two before picking them up safely.
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^ wouldn't they just stake it out beyond a day or two? doubt le would just let it go that fast. and how would a lawyer explain your fake identity?
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True the ID part is a pickle ... but the point is to not get caught holding it I guess.
As for the stakeout part ... depends on quantity I suppose. If your ordering half LB's of MDMA or something then they may very well stake it out for a long period.
If you go and pickup the package and haven't signed for it as far as I know they cant just swarm you instantly and have a case.
You may also be vulnerable to some asset forfeiture if you are caught with the package being sent to your house, no ? If it is a certain amount ?
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Seuss ... your right. If you arent using a means of concealing your identity than postal boxes have no real purpose / deniability attached to them.
@mike.murphy ... UPS Store signs for your packages too.
Why did Ene have to sign for the pack then? They sign, then make you resign ??? Same thing as them not signing for it, no?
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UPS stores are franchised ... so maybe they have different rules for different places.
UPS Stores in Canada dont make you sign for anything if you have a box there. And I use a signature required method for some shipments to customers that they setup UPS boxes for specifically and they arent signing themselves for anything.
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UPS stores are franchised ... so maybe they have different rules for different places.
UPS Stores in Canada dont make you sign for anything if you have a box there. And I use a signature required method for some shipments to customers that they setup UPS boxes for specifically and they arent signing themselves for anything.
Ahh this must be what it is. Or maybe because it was from China?
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Who knows honestly.
I know Canadapost ( USPS equivalent ) mailboxes up here are problematic because you do have to sign for things that require signature still. I just figured things were the same at USPS.
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Nothing is going to prevent them from doing a controlled delivery.
then whats the point?
What's the point? It's the possible consequences of doing business. You knew this before getting into this, didn't you?
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Nothing is going to prevent them from doing a controlled delivery.
then whats the point?
What's the point? It's the possible consequences of doing business. You knew this before getting into this, didn't you?
i'm not arguing that. i'm arguing that theres really not much difference in terms of security between using your home address w/ real name and using a po box with fake identity. unless u somehow figure out prior to checking your po box that theres a controlled delivery going down, ur gonna be screwed.
True the ID part is a pickle ... but the point is to not get caught holding it I guess.
how would that matter? how could u explain that u had access to, and have been accessing, some fake person's po box?
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There is no way to make drug receiving completely legal AND completely safe seuss, your right.
But I think the best way is to always keep your name off it, your distance from it.
Dont sign for anything, dont get anything put in your hands directly, dont have something dropped off at a house you own or someone you know owns for asset forfeiture reasons ... make yourself an island out there is my advice.
If you use a fake ID with modified features at a PMB that you dont collect from for a few days minimum after receipt then I think your alot safer than receiving something at your front door.
As holly says ... its a risk.
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modified features? as in? dont know about asset forfeiture. maybe when it comes to being a homeowner, but if ur renting, i dont think it applies.
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I use the smallest PO box they offer. Most everything I order but boxes fit in it anyway. Anything that's too big, they just put in a bigger box and leave a key to the bigger box in my PO box. The lobby's open 24/7, so I can grab whatever at any time. Never had any problems.
its simple as this
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Seuss ... your right. If you arent using a means of concealing your identity than postal boxes have no real purpose / deniability attached to them.
yea but say u have a great fake id, no flaws, scans, etc. theres no avoiding a controlled delivery to your box, is there? they would be waiting for u and when u enter and open up your box and once they see u take the letter/package, you're fucked.
They don't have the money to sit on your box 24/7 for long periods of time. You just wait for a while after its delivered.
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Seuss ... your right. If you arent using a means of concealing your identity than postal boxes have no real purpose / deniability attached to them.
yea but say u have a great fake id, no flaws, scans, etc. theres no avoiding a controlled delivery to your box, is there? they would be waiting for u and when u enter and open up your box and once they see u take the letter/package, you're fucked.
They don't have the money to sit on your box 24/7 for long periods of time. You just wait for a while after its delivered.
gotcha. i guess its safe since i dont order pounds of product. and i mostly buy psychedelics anyway, so nothing is too odorous. too bad there doesnt appear to be any good carders out there. i get the sense that theyre all scammers and give crappy id's which wouldnt pass at a post office. guess im shit out of luck until a legit carder shows up. how much do u pay monthly for a po box anyways? and yall, im assuming, pick post offices not in the towns u live in, right?
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Seuss ... your right. If you arent using a means of concealing your identity than postal boxes have no real purpose / deniability attached to them.
yea but say u have a great fake id, no flaws, scans, etc. theres no avoiding a controlled delivery to your box, is there? they would be waiting for u and when u enter and open up your box and once they see u take the letter/package, you're fucked.
They don't have the money to sit on your box 24/7 for long periods of time. You just wait for a while after its delivered.
gotcha. i guess its safe since i dont order pounds of product. and i mostly buy psychedelics anyway, so nothing is too odorous. too bad there doesnt appear to be any good carders out there. i get the sense that theyre all scammers and give crappy id's which wouldnt pass at a post office. guess im shit out of luck until a legit carder shows up. how much do u pay monthly for a po box anyways? and yall, im assuming, pick post offices not in the towns u live in, right?
Check DetailedImages' thread in the OVDB section, he makes legit ID's for a good price. I pay roughly $50 every 3 months for my box.
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DetailedImages is legit for ID's
Modified features ... wear glasses if you dont, get hair dyed etc ... DetailedImages pulls apart the eyes and stuff on his ID's if you ask. Its not foolproof but its something.
If its just pyschs on a small scale ... Laughing is right they wont being out the big guns.
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Nothing is going to prevent them from doing a controlled delivery.
then whats the point?
protecting against deanonymization and dragnet operations
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Nothing is going to prevent them from doing a controlled delivery.
then whats the point?
protecting against deanonymization and dragnet operations
what are dragnet operations?
unrelated: do you wear skin-like gloves to avoid fingerprints? wonder where i can get those. and reading over the first page again, looks like private boxes are the way to go since ur not required to sign. i guess? or does this vary from company to company?
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That's when an attack is targeted against an entire group of people at once. Imagine that law enforcement subpoenas the ISP in your area asking for a list of customers that have connected to Tor entry relays. Now USPIS can scan all packs going to houses and PO boxes owned by that tiny subset of customers. This is just a hypothetical attack somebody else first described on a drug forum somewhere, but it's just one type of dragnet attack that you can protect yourself from by using a fake ID PO box.
And yes I have a sweet set of driving gloves. You are probably thinking of liquid bandages though. :-)
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That's when an attack is targeted against an entire group of people at once. Imagine that law enforcement subpoenas the ISP in your area asking for a list of customers that have connected to Tor entry relays. Now USPIS can scan all packs going to houses and PO boxes owned by that tiny subset of customers. This is just a hypothetical attack somebody else first described on a drug forum somewhere, but it's just one type of dragnet attack that you can protect yourself from by using a fake ID PO box.
And yes I have a sweet set of driving gloves. You are probably thinking of liquid bandages though. :-)
Scary. Unlikely (hopefully), but scary.
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That's when an attack is targeted against an entire group of people at once. Imagine that law enforcement subpoenas the ISP in your area asking for a list of customers that have connected to Tor entry relays. Now USPIS can scan all packs going to houses and PO boxes owned by that tiny subset of customers. This is just a hypothetical attack somebody else first described on a drug forum somewhere, but it's just one type of dragnet attack that you can protect yourself from by using a fake ID PO box.
And yes I have a sweet set of driving gloves. You are probably thinking of liquid bandages though. :-)
Scary. Unlikely (hopefully), but scary.
It would actually be quite likely/easy to perform, so I wouldn't be surprised if it happened sometime in the future.
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can they pull fingerprints from the po box application form?
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can they pull fingerprints from the po box application form?
Very well.
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I use the smallest PO box they offer. Most everything I order but boxes fit in it anyway. Anything that's too big, they just put in a bigger box and leave a key to the bigger box in my PO box. The lobby's open 24/7, so I can grab whatever at any time. Never had any problems.
Just curious, are you using an actual USPS PO box?
Yea, actual USPS PO box. I think it was $30ish for 6 months. I love using it compared to sending to where I live now. The PO box gives me much more privacy, and I could go pick up in the middle of the night. I doubt LE where my PO box is is gonna post up all night to do a controlled delivery. It's probably relevant to note that I have my PO box in a somewhat small town, by the way. There's probably 1 to 2 cops working on any given night; they're not going to spend all night sitting in a closed post office.
I see how people don't see benefits of using one if you have an address you can privately ship to, but if you don't I don't see how it's much worse of an option than using an address connected with your name. I can just not go back if I feel it's not safe to use anymore. Plus, most vendors I use try to blend everything in with business mail, so a business return address sent to a PO box address doesn't stick out at all in my opinion.
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For those with ups boxes. Do they email you when letters arrive in your box or is it just when the package is too big to fit in the box?
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Could anyone link to a thread, or give a synopsis, of "Ene's downfall"? I tried searching but couldn't find anything. Thanks.
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For those with ups boxes. Do they email you when letters arrive in your box or is it just when the package is too big to fit in the box?
You can give them an email or phone number to contact you for an incoming mail.
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True the ID part is a pickle ...
A PO box under a "friends" identity for pick ups would be worth while, though (mutli) family homes are always better.