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Market => Rumor mill => Topic started by: thx1142 on August 31, 2011, 09:17 am
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I am working on an e-liquid for electronic cigarettes. In order to best suit the needs of the market here I would like to know your preferences.
For those of you who use e-cigarettes would mixing up the liquid be out of the question? It seems many people already have flavors and are comfortable mixing up their own e-liquid from a base, flavors and a bit of water. If that is the case I can provide a strong THC base, much like you can get the prepared nicotine base, designed to be diluted down.
I could be the victim of a small sample-size, so if most people want to buy their liquid pre-mixed, or would prefer pre-filled cartridges, please let me know. I will buy the flavors (and even empty cartridges) if that is what people would prefer, however the concentrated e-liquid would be the cheapest per-puff obviously as there is the least amount of labor and inventory associated with it.
I will have a batch that I think is ready for testing and I may list a few samples in the next few days if people are interested. The order feedback for these samples will be based solely on the order process, as you know full well the product is for testing and feedback purposes (and the price of the samples will reflect this fact). If you are interested in getting a cheap preview of the THC e-liquid and will commit to providing me feedback based on how the product works for you, leave me a note on this thread or contact me on in the store and I will notify you when I have listed them.
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I am very interested in pre-filled cartridges.
Let me know.
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I am very interested in pre-filled cartridges.
Let me know.
If I were to carry them what brand/model of e-cig do you use and what flavors would you prefer? I'm considering getting a bunch of cartridges for various models so it would be helpful to know the most popular models that people are using.
I'll probably have the concentrated liquid a while before I get cartridges, but I will let you know when/if I do choose to offer them. If I get a cig then I can easily offer cartridges for the model I have.
Thanks for the feedback.
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I'm PMing you.
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I'm interested in the thc base. Will the thc be already decarboxylized or not?
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I'm interested in the thc base. Will the thc be already decarboxylized or not?
Absolutely. I always decarboxylate the plant matter before extraction for any of my hash-oil based products. The hybrid that I use as a source is very high in THC as well so there is no need to do any complex reflux.
Let me know if you have any other questions.
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Have you confirmed that this is possible? I haven't done much research myself but I have heard some concerns about temperatures of e-cigarettes not reaching high enough levels to vaporize thc, etc. I would be interested in this and/or testing this.
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Ok let me chime in here.
Ive spent thousands of dollars researching and hours of my time investing into this.
ive even built several prototypes.
Heres what it comes down to:
There are 2 bases which it can be made from, Propylene Glycol or Vegetable Glycerin.
Many people are allergic from PG but IMO it works better than the VG.
Now, if you are using Decarboxy buds you need to consider this, you need it to be EXTREMELY potent in small amounts of liquid.
1 gram of bud would need to be diluted into 5ml of VG/PG to be effective, which is impossible you would lose alot of the liquid in the plant matter.
You need to start with a very strong extract, perhaps even keef.
The best way to go is to start with a CO2 extracted oil, although the taste isnt great its the most potent (85%+ in most cases)
Then you have to find a way to dilute the water based THC into an oil. Ill give you a hint, its VERY hard.
Then you have to figure out how to properly soak the polyster/whatever you have inside of your cartridge.
Oils that are sticky and THC filled arent going to properly soak, you are going to need one of those large circle spinny machines they have at hospitals that they put blood samples on.
(I dont know the name but I got a mini version of this on amazon for cheap)
Then the overall thing you have to remember is that there are hundreds of e cigs on the market.
Some have atomizers in the cartridge, some have reusable atomizers.
But no atomizer can properly burn THC (well, one or two on the market but those Ecigs are huge and very obvious)
We had our atomizers custom made for us in China to work at our temps.
In reality we had a whole Ecig ready to go, we shopped it around at kushcon and the Cannabis Cup.
Lots of interest, but no funding to take off with the idea.
So now I have all this research and perfect formulas, and nothing to do with them.
sigh.
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I am knowledgeable with PVs, diy mixing ejuice and would give you good feedback on how it works, thx1142. Please count me in?
I am very, very, very interested in this, I just need the THC base but would take what I can get. I'd ask you not to prefill cartos though, that is not the way to go with this. Filling cartos would limit your market to only people who use those specific cartos. There are many PVs, so that would cut out a chunk of potential buyers. People can fill their own cartos.
I'd buy it from you too listentothemusic, just in case you were thinking of selling it. There is enough demand from me to buy from both of you.
For me, I have had this work with hash oil I bought here using heat to dilute it into PG 1.5 to 1. I basically used the same method I use to make saturated substrates of the crystals used for flavoring juice like menthol crystals, vanillin crystals, sucralose, etc. To vape, you need to dewick and debridge (google it) a 4.5ohm 510 atomizer. I set my Darwin at around 11 watts and it vapes good, gets me stoned.
I wasted about half that order experimenting. A regular resistance debridged/dewicked 510 works but the wattage required to vape it is so fucking hot it hurts. I popped 4 atomizers before finding the setup that works the best. The HV atomizer is still a hot vape but no pain. After I got it working, I've been mixing in some flavor, tasted good and got me stoned - nice. I fucking love vaping thc in public places like restaurants. Can't even do that in the Netherlands.
I am constantly scrounging around SR to get a vendor who sells any kind of liquid extract and I can arrange shipping with. Was so desperate for product I took a chance on a newish vendor which is taking so long to show up that I am starting to wonder if I ran into my first problem at SR. I also have another order hopefully arriving soon that uses another extract method which I think will work better but may require more wattage to vaporize.
Edit: What I am saying is: YES! Pretty fucking please sell this!!!!
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Ok let me chime in here.
Ive spent thousands of dollars researching and hours of my time investing into this.
ive even built several prototypes.
Heres what it comes down to:
There are 2 bases which it can be made from, Propylene Glycol or Vegetable Glycerin.
Many people are allergic from PG but IMO it works better than the VG.
I use VG because it is less polar that PG and therefore more THC will dissolve into it. The allergen aspect is also a consideration, but more of a confirmation that VG is the proper solvent than otherwise.
Now, if you are using Decarboxy buds you need to consider this, you need it to be EXTREMELY potent in small amounts of liquid.
1 gram of bud would need to be diluted into 5ml of VG/PG to be effective, which is impossible you would lose alot of the liquid in the plant matter.
You need to start with a very strong extract, perhaps even keef.
The best way to go is to start with a CO2 extracted oil, although the taste isnt great its the most potent (85%+ in most cases)
The hash oil I produce is made from a very strong, high THC strain and then filtered/washed three times. The resulting product is, as one customer put it "Probably the best hash oil I've ever had." I use lab grade equipment and procedures, including a flash adsorption column to ensure that I get most of the good stuff and leave behind most of the bad stuff.
I don't think that SCCO2-extracted hash oil is necessary, but it would probably be phenomenal. It is pretty amazing stuff.
As far as kief goes it is an interesting idea and I will probably consider that at some point. I just don't have a source for large quantities of kief unless I start screening the buds before extraction, which would significantly reduce the yield. Also, I imagine that a filtration step would be necessary as there is a bit of plant material intermixed with the kief.
Then you have to find a way to dilute the water based THC into an oil. Ill give you a hint, its VERY hard.
THC is a non-polar substance. It dissolves into non-polar substances, such as oils, very easily. The problem is that VG is a polar solvent and easily absorbs/ dissolves into water-based substances. Technically it is a sugar-alcohol. VG is not an oil, if it were this process would be much easier.
Then you have to figure out how to properly soak the polyster/whatever you have inside of your cartridge.
Oils that are sticky and THC filled arent going to properly soak, you are going to need one of those large circle spinny machines they have at hospitals that they put blood samples on.
(I dont know the name but I got a mini version of this on amazon for cheap)
A centrifuge would do the opposite of what you are describing as it would concentrate and separate the substance into layers based on density. All of the hours of homogenization I put the product though would be undone in about 3 seconds. Luckily physics has your back as the principle of diffusion antd capillary action will tend to equalize the saturation of the substance into the cotton/poly filling without any action on your part.
Then the overall thing you have to remember is that there are hundreds of e cigs on the market.
Some have atomizers in the cartridge, some have reusable atomizers.
Part of the reason I'm asking is to see if it would be worth stocking the cartridges for various models based on people's willingness to pay for that service. Obviously there would be a premium charged for the additional labor, inventory and other costs associated with it. My preference is to sell the concentrated base, however if that is not what people are buying I won't sell much.
But no atomizer can properly burn THC (well, one or two on the market but those Ecigs are huge and very obvious)
We had our atomizers custom made for us in China to work at our temps.
THC evaporates (boiling point) at 157C, water evaporates at 100C, and glycerol evaporates at 290C. Most e-cigarettes work at around 160-170C, which is enough to vaporize the VG+Water mixture (all VG is a mixture of glycerol and water even if you do not add any as glycerol is hygroscopic and will absorb water from the air, also glycerol is harmful to the skin unless diluted so vegetable glycerin that is "food grade" out of the bottle is already diluted with water when you buy it).
The solution of glycerol and water obviously boils at a lower temperature, which happens to be around 160-170C. As THC boils at 157C this is below that temperature. Because THC is only minimally soluble in glycerol and water the THC will not change the boiling point of the vegetable glycerin significantly, however it should probably adjust the boiling point of the mixture to be slightly lower.
I'm not sure where you got the info that you needed to increase the temperature, but I would be interested in hearing it. I have never heard anyone say that you needed to for THC. There are some other non-psychoactive cannabinoids, such as CBD, that tend to regulate THC's effects, and have other medicinal properties, which evaporate at a higher temperature, but for THC itself there should, according to my understanding of the physical properties of the various substances involved, evaporate at the same or lower temperatures than the VG.
Due to your claim that you have put thousands of dollars and hours of your time into researching this I am inclined to verify this information. The fact is that I have tested my e-liquid in a personal vaporizer that operates at 160C and was pleasantly surprised by the results. There may have been some THC left in the cotton, but enough of it made it into my brain to notice, and I'm what most people would consider a "heavy user" of cannabis. I will do further testing at various temperatures to gauge the varied effects in an attempt to validate your findings.
In reality we had a whole Ecig ready to go, we shopped it around at kushcon and the Cannabis Cup.
Lots of interest, but no funding to take off with the idea.
So now I have all this research and perfect formulas, and nothing to do with them.
sigh.
It sucks to be in that position, however I tend to believe that when cannabis prohibition ends you will find a sudden influx of investment capital. Keep your plans and formulas around and make another push once it is legal. Even the dispensary model for medical cannabis does not provide quite enough cover for any major investor as most do business in multiple states and legally that makes it difficult to protect yourself from prosecution. The only people at this point, in the US anyway, that would consider it is a dispensary owner, or a dispensary itself funding the product to sell in their shop. (if you are not in the US then replace this paragraph with one that is relevant to your current legal situation in the country you are in).
Thank you for offering your insight on the subject. I think our methods and procedures differ slightly, hopefully the product will be satisfactory. Only real-worrld consumer testing will determine that.
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Have you confirmed that this is possible? I haven't done much research myself but I have heard some concerns about temperatures of e-cigarettes not reaching high enough levels to vaporize thc, etc. I would be interested in this and/or testing this.
I just responded to listentothemusic and covered this subject. I believe, based on the physical properties of the various substances in the mixture, that there is no reason to assume the THC would fail to evaporate at the temperatures that e-cigarettes operate at. I could be wrong, however I have done tests in a personal vaporizer that operates at 160C and it was sufficient to get me stoned.
Here is my response to listentothemusic regarding a similar question, hopefully it answers your question as well:
But no atomizer can properly burn THC (well, one or two on the market but those Ecigs are huge and very obvious)
We had our atomizers custom made for us in China to work at our temps.
THC evaporates (boiling point) at 157C, water evaporates at 100C, and glycerol evaporates at 290C. Most e-cigarettes work at around 160-170C, which is enough to vaporize the VG+Water mixture (all VG is a mixture of glycerol and water even if you do not add any as glycerol is hygroscopic and will absorb water from the air, also glycerol is harmful to the skin unless diluted so vegetable glycerin that is "food grade" out of the bottle is already diluted with water when you buy it).
The solution of glycerol and water obviously boils at a lower temperature, which happens to be around 160-170C. As THC boils at 157C this is below that temperature. Because THC is only minimally soluble in glycerol and water the THC will not change the boiling point of the vegetable glycerin significantly, however it should probably adjust the boiling point of the mixture to be slightly lower.
I'm not sure where you got the info that you needed to increase the temperature, but I would be interested in hearing it. I have never heard anyone say that you needed to for THC. There are some other non-psychoactive cannabinoids, such as CBD, that tend to regulate THC's effects, and have other medicinal properties, which evaporate at a higher temperature, but for THC itself there should, according to my understanding of the physical properties of the various substances involved, evaporate at the same or lower temperatures than the VG.
Due to your claim that you have put thousands of dollars and hours of your time into researching this I am inclined to verify this information. The fact is that I have tested my e-liquid in a personal vaporizer that operates at 160C and was pleasantly surprised by the results. There may have been some THC left in the cotton, but enough of it made it into my brain to notice, and I'm what most people would consider a "heavy user" of cannabis. I will do further testing at various temperatures to gauge the varied effects in an attempt to validate your findings.
Let me know if you have any other questions or concerns.
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I am knowledgeable with PVs, diy mixing ejuice and would give you good feedback on how it works, thx1142. Please count me in?
I am very, very, very interested in this, I just need the THC base but would take what I can get. I'd ask you not to prefill cartos though, that is not the way to go with this. Filling cartos would limit your market to only people who use those specific cartos. There are many PVs, so that would cut out a chunk of potential buyers. People can fill their own cartos.
I'd buy it from you too listentothemusic, just in case you were thinking of selling it. There is enough demand from me to buy from both of you.
For me, I have had this work with hash oil I bought here using heat to dilute it into PG 1.5 to 1. I basically used the same method I use to make saturated substrates of the crystals used for flavoring juice like menthol crystals, vanillin crystals, sucralose, etc. To vape, you need to dewick and debridge (google it) a 4.5ohm 510 atomizer. I set my Darwin at around 11 watts and it vapes good, gets me stoned.
I wasted about half that order experimenting. A regular resistance debridged/dewicked 510 works but the wattage required to vape it is so fucking hot it hurts. I popped 4 atomizers before finding the setup that works the best. The HV atomizer is still a hot vape but no pain. After I got it working, I've been mixing in some flavor, tasted good and got me stoned - nice. I fucking love vaping thc in public places like restaurants. Can't even do that in the Netherlands.
I am constantly scrounging around SR to get a vendor who sells any kind of liquid extract and I can arrange shipping with. Was so desperate for product I took a chance on a newish vendor which is taking so long to show up that I am starting to wonder if I ran into my first problem at SR. I also have another order hopefully arriving soon that uses another extract method which I think will work better but may require more wattage to vaporize.
Edit: What I am saying is: YES! Pretty fucking please sell this!!!!
Hmm. It seems there may be some disparity in the expectations and assumptions as to what a "THC Base" would be. I'm assuming that people would want to puff on it like a cig for up to 10 minutes. From your description, and ratios (1:1.5 VG:Hash Oil), and your description of having to modify the heating element leads me to believe that you want to vaporize hash oil in an e-cig rather than having a THC-infused e-liquid.
The chemical properties of both VG and hash oil means that a mixture such as that you have described would be much thicker than a traditional e-liquid, and adding water to the mixture would tend to force some of the hash oil out of suspension in the VG. I have never even attempted those proportions as 5:1 VG:HO refuses to fully remain in suspension without an emulsifier.
At the quantities and consistencies you are describing you would probably need a stronger heat source as the product in the cartridge will have a much larger thermal mass and therefore will require more energy to properly heat the substance to its boiling point. A less viscous fluid will equalize in temperature much more rapidly. In an e-cigarette there is not constant temperature and the material will cool between uses, so the additional heat would probably be required merely to heat the product to its boiling point rapidly enough to support a satisfactory "hit" from the device.
I guess what needs to be defined is if the expectation is that this is a form of hash oil that can be vaporized more easily, or is this an e-liquid product that happens to contain THC? I was under the impression that the latter would be more desired as those who use e-cigarettes enjoy the act of smoking and would like to get high at the same time.
For those who want a discreet personal vaporizer it seems like modification to support the consumption of modified hash oil would be necessary, or they would need to order a variable voltage device that allows hotter temperatures. This is not a matter of THC not evaporating at the temperature these devices operate at, but rather a matter of the "liquid" not heating sufficiently in the short duration in which a hit from the device is taken.
I had not even considered "hash oil that can be used in an e-cigarette" as that is expecting far too much from a small e-cigarette. They simply do not operate with enough energy, or heat for sufficient duration to do so. That is like expecting to be able to dilute diesel fuel enough to use it in a gasoline engine without modification, and get the same performance of a diesel engine out of the gasoline engine.
I will have to put some thought into this. I may be trying to enter a market in which the expectations of the product are much higher than can be reasonably achieved. If that is the case I may end up with some disappointed customers. That is why I'm doing a limited trial instead of just listing it as a finished product.
Thanks for the feedback and suggestions. I appreciate all of the information I can get.
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Hmm. It seems there may be some disparity in the expectations and assumptions as to what a "THC Base" would be. I'm assuming that people would want to puff on it like a cig for up to 10 minutes. From your description, and ratios (1:1.5 VG:Hash Oil), and your description of having to modify the heating element leads me to believe that you want to vaporize hash oil in an e-cig rather than having a THC-infused e-liquid.
Actually no. :) I am making hash oil vapable because that is what I can get and found a way to make it work. I would MUCH rather your way. Having it on a 4.5ohm atty at 11watts is not pleasant. Its a hot vape. I normally vape at around 7.5-8 watts. If your way gets me high and is actually pleasant to do, that is x1000 better. If I can put it in a CE2 tank mod and stick that on an normal Joye ego battery (3.2-3.5v PWN), big bonus.
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Hmm. It seems there may be some disparity in the expectations and assumptions as to what a "THC Base" would be. I'm assuming that people would want to puff on it like a cig for up to 10 minutes. From your description, and ratios (1:1.5 VG:Hash Oil), and your description of having to modify the heating element leads me to believe that you want to vaporize hash oil in an e-cig rather than having a THC-infused e-liquid.
Actually no. :) I am making hash oil vapable because that is what I can get and found a way to make it work. I would MUCH rather your way. Having it on a 4.5ohm atty at 11watts is not pleasant. Its a hot vape. I normally vape at around 7.5-8 watts. If your way gets me high and is actually pleasant to do, that is x1000 better. If I can put it in a CE2 tank mod and stick that on an normal Joye ego battery (3.2-3.5v PWN), big bonus.
Very good. I was a little worried about that. I was starting to think that maybe I was in for some disappointment (or my potential customers would be). That is the entire reason I'm doing the limited trial before jumping in head first.
I am confident I can produce a specific product, whether that product is strong enough will be up to the testers to tell me.
Thanks for the feedback and the information. I'm glad you were willing to clarify.
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I am working on an e-liquid for electronic cigarettes. In order to best suit the needs of the market here I would like to know your preferences.
For those of you who use e-cigarettes would mixing up the liquid be out of the question? It seems many people already have flavors and are comfortable mixing up their own e-liquid from a base, flavors and a bit of water. If that is the case I can provide a strong THC base, much like you can get the prepared nicotine base, designed to be diluted down.
I could be the victim of a small sample-size, so if most people want to buy their liquid pre-mixed, or would prefer pre-filled cartridges, please let me know. I will buy the flavors (and even empty cartridges) if that is what people would prefer, however the concentrated e-liquid would be the cheapest per-puff obviously as there is the least amount of labor and inventory associated with it.
I will have a batch that I think is ready for testing and I may list a few samples in the next few days if people are interested. The order feedback for these samples will be based solely on the order process, as you know full well the product is for testing and feedback purposes (and the price of the samples will reflect this fact). If you are interested in getting a cheap preview of the THC e-liquid and will commit to providing me feedback based on how the product works for you, leave me a note on this thread or contact me on in the store and I will notify you when I have listed them.
Fucking awesome idea! I have seen it posted about on ecig forums before but I never knew if someone had created it.
I would be most interested in seeing the development and sales of this product on SR.
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Yep, will be following this along aswell.... very good idea...
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id buy the baae for sure but prefilled carts mite lack consistency with dosage...but id try it..
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Are the cartridges easy to re-fill?
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Are the cartridges easy to re-fill?
Extremely, though it depends on what cartomizers/attomizer carts you are using. Almost all are made to be refilled except for the disposables and the rip off mall ones. Usually you just need to drip drops into a cartomizer or cart till its filled. A small few (CE2-style cartos and some atty carts) you need to use a syringe but that shouldn't be an issue. I'm sure all SR users have syringes somewhere. :)
The only "tricky" part for total PV noobs would be if thx1142 does THC base (which I really want/hope), then you might need to mix it with PG or VG to control strength. Both of which can be bought at your local pharmacy or grocery respectively but also much cheaper if you just get it online from an ecig vendor. Just make sure you buy USP grade if you get it from a local store. I am sure if thx1142 goes this route he will post recommended mixes depending on how strong you want the juice to be.
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Are the cartridges easy to re-fill?
Extremely, though it depends on what cartomizers/attomizer carts you are using. Almost all are made to be refilled except for the disposables and the rip off mall ones. Usually you just need to drip drops into a cartomizer or cart till its filled. A small few (CE2-style cartos and some atty carts) you need to use a syringe but that shouldn't be an issue. I'm sure all SR users have syringes somewhere. :)
The only "tricky" part for total PV noobs would be if thx1142 does THC base (which I really want/hope), then you might need to mix it with PG or VG to control strength. Both of which can be bought at your local pharmacy or grocery respectively but also much cheaper if you just get it online from an ecig vendor. Just make sure you buy USP grade if you get it from a local store. I am sure if thx1142 goes this route he will post recommended mixes depending on how strong you want the juice to be.
Cool, can't wait to check this product out =)
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Just a quick note to let everyone know the progress I'm making on this product.
The latest test batch I have made shows zero signs of separation after 24 hours. Every batch before would start to separate out into layers after even only a few hours. I had to build a pressurized small-aperture homogenization device to get the oil particles small enough that the mixture stays in suspension. Physical agitation does not seem to be sufficient to produce a stable mixture.
In the next few days I will make a larger test batch and send it to a few of those who have indicated an interest in helping test and provide feedback. Shortly after getting feedback from those testers I will post a product for public purchase.
I am extremely excited to get this product to market and am encouraged by the number of responses. If everything goes according to plan then you should expect to see this product consistently listed before the end of this month, hopefully within the next two weeks.
At this time I am only pursuing a THC e-liquid base that will be able to be added to existing e-liquid or mixed into your custom e-liquid recipes much like nicotine base is used. It should not be difficult to find vegetable glycerin at the health food store or online, however I could list vegetable glycerin as an add-on product for minimal cost assuming you will be purchasing some e-Liquid with it.
Please continue asking questions and bringing up concerns or recommendations.
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Just a quick note to let everyone know the progress I'm making on this product.
The latest test batch I have made shows zero signs of separation after 24 hours. Every batch before would start to separate out into layers after even only a few hours. I had to build a pressurized small-aperture homogenization device to get the oil particles small enough that the mixture stays in suspension. Physical agitation does not seem to be sufficient to produce a stable mixture.
In the next few days I will make a larger test batch and send it to a few of those who have indicated an interest in helping test and provide feedback. Shortly after getting feedback from those testers I will post a product for public purchase.
I am extremely excited to get this product to market and am encouraged by the number of responses. If everything goes according to plan then you should expect to see this product consistently listed before the end of this month, hopefully within the next two weeks.
At this time I am only pursuing a THC e-liquid base that will be able to be added to existing e-liquid or mixed into your custom e-liquid recipes much like nicotine base is used. It should not be difficult to find vegetable glycerin at the health food store or online, however I could list vegetable glycerin as an add-on product for minimal cost assuming you will be purchasing some e-Liquid with it.
Please continue asking questions and bringing up concerns or recommendations.
Thanks for the manufacturing update, i'm also excited about this product!
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Since switching to ecigs this has been what I have been waiting for!
The other vapour systems are too cumbersome , This is genius and I look forward to trying it.
Brilliant work man!
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I am super excited about the prospects of this working. I will give it a try on my darwin first, but I ultimately would love to use it on my ego. I do have some concerns about smell(unable to stealth). The other question is whether something like marinol could be used in the liquid instead of the difficult process of extracting the thc. Just throwing it out there.
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Just a quick note to let everyone know the progress I'm making on this product.
The latest test batch I have made shows zero signs of separation after 24 hours. Every batch before would start to separate out into layers after even only a few hours. I had to build a pressurized small-aperture homogenization device to get the oil particles small enough that the mixture stays in suspension. Physical agitation does not seem to be sufficient to produce a stable mixture.
In the next few days I will make a larger test batch and send it to a few of those who have indicated an interest in helping test and provide feedback. Shortly after getting feedback from those testers I will post a product for public purchase.
I am extremely excited to get this product to market and am encouraged by the number of responses. If everything goes according to plan then you should expect to see this product consistently listed before the end of this month, hopefully within the next two weeks.
At this time I am only pursuing a THC e-liquid base that will be able to be added to existing e-liquid or mixed into your custom e-liquid recipes much like nicotine base is used. It should not be difficult to find vegetable glycerin at the health food store or online, however I could list vegetable glycerin as an add-on product for minimal cost assuming you will be purchasing some e-Liquid with it.
Please continue asking questions and bringing up concerns or recommendations.
Damn, I am very excited. Thanks for the update!
I do have some concerns about smell(unable to stealth).
I think this shouldn't be an issue. My mixes which are basically mostly oil broken into very tiny pieces and densely floated in PG smells very strong in the PV, but there is only a slight smell in the vapor. If I add in a big dose of cinnamon or menthol flavoring, everyone I've asked has said they can't smell it in the vapor, bonus the flavoring tastes good.
The only problem I have is once I use an atty for this purpose, it forever tastes and smells like the dankest shit. Giving the atty a PGA bath and vaping 5ml of plain VG doesn't do anything. After a week of use, the dank smell can be smelt half a foot away if you are looking for it.
I have high hopes for thx1142 stuff. If it works like I think its going to work, it'll add as much smell as nicotnie adds to vapor.
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I wish I had seen this thread sooner. I have been waiting for this to happen. SOOOOOO00oo glad someone finally did it. Waiting for the final product to be released.
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Any update on this? I was going to buy an e cigarette expressly for this purpose but I don't want to spend the money before I know what kind will be able to be used with this product. Anxiously waiting...
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Yeh, i'm hanging out for this product :)
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Bump, I am eagerly waiting for this product :).
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Good news everyone! I have started shipping the test samples to those who were selected to be in the test group. Once I get feedback from them I will be mixing up the first batch for general sale. This should be in the next few weeks.
I am attaching a picture of the final product as evidence that it does indeed exist. This is one of the 4.5ml vials that will be shipped out to the test subjects.
Part of the delay has been due to the fact that I have been bought clean out of hash oil twice while trying to work on this. I finally got the formula scaled up to a full batch and refined the proportions a bit. I think it is ready to use, but only the product testers will be able to tell me if it is ready.
Let's hope it is.
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So excited this project is coming through. What kind of e cig does this work with? I want to get one and have it ready when your weed juice is released. How long before you expect to see this come to market? Mad props for making this happen. :D
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Do you plan to ship to EU ?
I'm interested as i have the Jenty Ego ecig
Thanks,
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Holy crap I am so excited!!
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So excited this project is coming through. What kind of e cig does this work with? I want to get one and have it ready when your weed juice is released. How long before you expect to see this come to market? Mad props for making this happen. :D
That is the primary reason this is only being released to a few product testers at this stage. I don't know for sure what devices will work best. If you want to make sure then you can buy one with a variable voltage setting. I'm sure there are others here that would have suggestions for which model to buy.
Do you plan to ship to EU ?
I'm interested as i have the Jenty Ego ecig
Thanks,
I may start shipping to the EU in the near future. At this point I rarely ship internationally due to the complexity. When I launch this product I will probably offer international shipping on it, but I can't promise that at this point.
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thx1142, i am also looking forward to your final product!
i understand your problems with international shipping, but i hope that eventually you will ship to AU
i would most definitely purchase the base, which would go perfectly with my ego-t and provari ... 8)
Also, i'm not sure whether you've purchased any of their liquids, but Dekang use these child-proof sealed containers, which get straight through customs i have noticed.
You should probably have a look at something similar as well :)
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I would give this a try ;D
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I just ordered one of the test vials, and I'm eagerly waiting for its arrival.
Can't wait to see what THX has to offer if all things go well with these testers.
Just curious though, what types of e-cigs is everyone using?
I have a 3.7v box mod, with a bridgeless 510 2.0 atomizer/drip tip combo
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Anyone else have any info about the e cigarettes that have been tested? I am really looking forward to this product being released.
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Bump! Anything more on this? Come one I don't want to have to take a road trip to California to buy medastix. Plz help?
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I posted some preliminary feedback here a few weeks ago and so did someone else with a scubagen but have no clue where my or their post went. I am sending THX my full report right now, I did an extensive line of testing with it. Bottom line for me is that its very good. I've been vaping my weed for a while now and this is, by far, the best product I've used with my ecig!
Leave it to THX on how much of my report he wants me to share, but whenever this product rolls out I'll be placing a big order and I will post recommendations and how best I've found to use it.
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Is there an update? I have been offline here for nearly a tear and was hoping it would be selling like hotcakes..
Please , whatever became of this ingenious idea?