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Title: It's "LEAGAL" to feed kids Hardcore drugs that are illeagal for consenting adult
Post by: abrakadabra on June 19, 2013, 06:09 am
 Here in the grand old USA our normal common method used to deal with the children that are a "challenge" for our education system is to feed them large doses of speed. That's right, speed, meth or amphetamine is fed to literally MILLIONS of unwilling children simply because the schools don't want to handle anyone with behavior outside the "normal".
 I think it might be better to educate the  educators a little better and let our youth grow up and make their own decisions as to what drugs they do or do not want to use.
 If we are going to feed it to our youth, is it fair to one day stop feeding it to them and force our young adults into a life having to spend tens of thousands of dollars per year to "illegally" obtain the substance YOU FED THEM SINCE CHILDHOOD unwillingly?
  I did not want anything to do with the meth back when my school "guidance" counselors and teachers sat me and my mom down in a meeting and pleaded for me to try the meth, which BTW wasn't disclosed to me or my parents that the pills they wanted to feed me was speed.
  My problem was NEVER a "disorder" or "disease" and in fact my problem wasn't that I couldn't learn or didn't pay attention. I was tested and determined to be a "genius" at an early age with a high IQ and I always tested well and learned faster then everyone else but I was more interested in the "social" experience at school and not concerned with the busy work the teachers would give..
  My school had a program where the kids the teachers considered a PITA were put together in special classes but my high IQ kept me from qualifying for that.
   I was never real bad in class but always wanted to be funny and some teachers didnt know how to handle kids like me.
   So in the later years of high school they finally convinced my parents to try the drugs and my mom begged me to just try and see if it helps.
   From the instant I dropped the first pill I was hooked on speed, provided by the local pharmacy for years until one of the required yearly visits to my family physician he decided to stop feeding me the meth.
   That was a tough thing to have to handle and I slept for weeks until I found someone else willing to sell me his extra amphetamine salts his doc gave him.
   Then I found out that crystal meth was the same thing as what my doc gave me, only not as good as his but I spent $$$$ obtaining my fix illegally ever since.
   If I am caught in possession of my meds, the authority figures who once fed me these substances as a child can forcefully abduct me and force me into a cage by force which is basically what getting arrested is.
  Why feed addictive substances to children that consenting adults who are fully aware of the risks and consequences involved cannot obtain, possess or consume legally?
     
Title: Re: It's "LEAGAL" to feed kids Hardcore drugs that are illeagal for consenting adult
Post by: Jack N Hoff on June 19, 2013, 06:14 am
Consenting adults can go to a psychiatrist and get the same shit.
Title: Re: It's "LEAGAL" to feed kids Hardcore drugs that are illeagal for consenting adult
Post by: abrakadabra on June 19, 2013, 06:37 am
Consenting adults can go to a psychiatrist and get the same shit.
Not everyone can, it's much more difficult and at least they are aware of what they are getting into. They never told me it was meth. Funny thing is they had classes in grade school that focused on the different drugs and the harmful effects they "will" cause nut when they persuaded my parents to get me on it they left all that out and I never realized that it was totally same thing as street meth until I tried it the first time. SAME EXACT THING.
Title: Re: It's "LEAGAL" to feed kids Hardcore drugs that are illeagal for consenting adult
Post by: Jack N Hoff on June 19, 2013, 06:39 am
Consenting adults can go to a psychiatrist and get the same shit.
Not everyone can, it's much more difficult and at least they are aware of what they are getting into. They never told me it was meth. Funny thing is they had classes in grade school that focused on the different drugs and the harmful effects they "will" cause nut when they persuaded my parents to get me on it they left all that out and I never realized that it was totally same thing as street meth until I tried it the first time. SAME EXACT THING.

They had you on Desoxyn?  You lucky cunt!
Title: Re: It's "LEAGAL" to feed kids Hardcore drugs that are illeagal for consenting adult
Post by: abrakadabra on June 19, 2013, 07:21 am
No, methylphenidate which is "generic" meth
Title: Re: It's "LEAGAL" to feed kids Hardcore drugs that are illeagal for consenting adult
Post by: Jack N Hoff on June 19, 2013, 07:25 am
No, methylphenidate which is "generic" meth

That is fucking generic Ritalin LMAO HAHA

Methylphenidate and methamphetamine are COMPLETELY different!  They do prescribe methamphetamine under the brand name Desoxyn but it is RARE.

It's hilarious that you thought Ritalin was METH ;D
Title: Re: It's "LEAGAL" to feed kids Hardcore drugs that are illeagal for consenting adult
Post by: abrakadabra on June 19, 2013, 07:30 am
It's the same shit only the pills are better if you ask me. It's hilarious that you think it's so different. Have you ever been prescribed to it? Or are you just talking out of your ass here?
Title: Re: It's "LEAGAL" to feed kids Hardcore drugs that are illeagal for consenting adult
Post by: Jack N Hoff on June 19, 2013, 07:32 am
It's the same shit only the pills are better if you ask me. It's hilarious that you think it's so different. Have you ever been prescribed to it? Or are you just talking out of your ass here?

Hahahaha.  I've taken both.  They are completely different chemicals kiddo.
Title: Re: It's "LEAGAL" to feed kids Hardcore drugs that are illeagal for consenting adult
Post by: xda on June 19, 2013, 07:41 am
No, methylphenidate which is "generic" meth

Look how wrong you are.

CLEARNET WARNING
http://www.erowid.org/pharms/methylphenidate/methylphenidate.shtml

Methylphenidate is a central nervous system stimulant widely prescribed to treat attention deficit disorder. It is also used in the treatment of narcolepsy, mild depression, and in combination with other drugs in the treatment of chronic pain.

Methamphetamine is a strong physical and mental stimulant available in both prescription and street forms. It is relatively easy to synthesize which has contributed to its widespread use.
CLEARNET WARNING
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/meth/meth.shtml
Title: Re: It's "LEAGAL" to feed kids Hardcore drugs that are illeagal for consenting adult
Post by: abrakadabra on June 19, 2013, 07:47 am
Yea I am aware of that but the difference in effect is minimal at best and the only obtainable solution when they discontinue the prescription is street meth which is less potent compared to the 60mg I was given. seems less consistent and very easy to become tolerant to a batch. I've been a daily meth user for over 10years now and in that time I have spent enough to buy several homes I am sure.
  If you think it's that fucking different and we should feed it to the kids while meth is considered criminal substance for a consenting adult to even touch, then feed it to your kids if you can have any.   
Title: Re: It's "LEAGAL" to feed kids Hardcore drugs that are illeagal for consenting adult
Post by: Jack N Hoff on June 19, 2013, 07:49 am
I'm done trying to explain the truth of the matter to you.  Your delusional fantasies are obviously correct.  Good day to you sir.
Title: Re: It's "LEAGAL" to feed kids Hardcore drugs that are illeagal for consenting adult
Post by: xda on June 19, 2013, 07:52 am
Yea I am aware of that but the difference in effect is minimal at best and the only obtainable solution when they discontinue the prescription is street meth which is less potent compared to the 60mg I was given. seems less consistent and very easy to become tolerant to a batch. I've been a daily meth user for over 10years now and in that time I have spent enough to buy several homes I am sure.
  If you think it's that fucking different and we should feed it to the kids while meth is considered criminal substance for a consenting adult to even touch, then feed it to your kids if you can have any.

You need a new meth dealer.
Title: Re: It's "LEAGAL" to feed kids Hardcore drugs that are illeagal for consenting adult
Post by: CannabisCrusader on June 19, 2013, 08:50 am
Saying Methylphenidate is generic Methamphetamine doesn't even make sense...  ???
Title: Re: It's "LEAGAL" to feed kids Hardcore drugs that are illeagal for consenting adult
Post by: abrakadabra on June 19, 2013, 09:11 am
Saying Methylphenidate is generic Methamphetamine doesn't even make sense...  ???
It was meant as sarcasm and all the chemistry and "web md" "wikipedia" info you guys want to throw in is not going to convince me that the pills I took for years and years was anything short of meth from a REALITY standpoint, meaning I took the shit for years and it effected me in every way meth ever did but to a greater extent.
  Specifically I mean it kept me up for way longer then meth did in it's "best days" with the record close to 2 weeks (followed by a week of sleep) also it would paralyze me completely if I ran out a few days before the new script. Meth withdraw is some lazy unmotivated days but the withdraw from that shit was 10x worse if suddenly ran out.
  Also the euphoria was way better then meth at its finest.
 
Title: Re: It's "LEAGAL" to feed kids Hardcore drugs that are illeagal for consenting adult
Post by: abrakadabra on June 19, 2013, 09:20 am
Look at it like this,
 The propaganda presented to the public tends to demonize the non taxed street meth they decided to criminalize for consenting adults to buy, sell, consume or even possess or obtain precursors while the propaganda seems to describe the meth we feed millions of children daily in a much nicer picture. There is a defect in society IMO.
 Don't anyone else think this is ass backwards?
Title: Re: It's "LEAGAL" to feed kids Hardcore drugs that are illeagal for consenting adult
Post by: Dingo Ate My Drugs on June 19, 2013, 09:25 am
No, methylphenidate which is "generic" meth

That is fucking generic Ritalin LMAO HAHA

Methylphenidate and methamphetamine are COMPLETELY different!  They do prescribe methamphetamine under the brand name Desoxyn but it is RARE.

It's hilarious that you thought Ritalin was METH ;D
Jack N Hoff is right. They are completely different. methylphenidate, amphetamine, dexamphetamine and methamphetamine are all different.
comparing normal amphetamine to methamphetamine is like comparing a glass of wine to a bottle of vodka. The latter is a whole lot stronger.
Title: Re: It's "LEAGAL" to feed kids Hardcore drugs that are illeagal for consenting adult
Post by: abrakadabra on June 19, 2013, 09:27 am
ADD or ADHD is NOT a disease! it is a behavioral characteristic treatable through parenting technique and better teacher training would be of better outcome then simply feeding children speed.
 There is a bunch of BS and bad science feeding the monster and I suspect the billions of $$ the drug mfgs rake in every  year has some influence across the board.
 
Title: Re: It's "LEAGAL" to feed kids Hardcore drugs that are illeagal for consenting adult
Post by: abrakadabra on June 19, 2013, 09:42 am
No, methylphenidate which is "generic" meth

That is fucking generic Ritalin LMAO HAHA

Methylphenidate and methamphetamine are COMPLETELY different!  They do prescribe methamphetamine under the brand name Desoxyn but it is RARE.

It's hilarious that you thought Ritalin was METH ;D
Jack N Hoff is right. They are completely different. methylphenidate, amphetamine, dexamphetamine and methamphetamine are all different.
comparing normal amphetamine to methamphetamine is like comparing a glass of wine to a bottle of vodka. The latter is a whole lot stronger.
exactly my point! they are all the same shit in a different can. If you fill a huge glass with wine how will that compare to a tiny hotel sample sized bottle of shit vodka that was filled 1/3 with water last time your teenager had some friends over?
 Point is the same whore on another block.
 The difference between speed flavors has zero to do with the point of this thread whatsoever yet that is all we've discussed.
  Makes me wonder if any productive conversation is possible without all the wasted typing over trivial BS that is of zero relevance
Title: Re: It's "LEAGAL" to feed kids Hardcore drugs that are illeagal for consenting adult
Post by: Dingo Ate My Drugs on June 19, 2013, 09:57 am
No, methylphenidate which is "generic" meth

That is fucking generic Ritalin LMAO HAHA

Methylphenidate and methamphetamine are COMPLETELY different!  They do prescribe methamphetamine under the brand name Desoxyn but it is RARE.

It's hilarious that you thought Ritalin was METH ;D
Jack N Hoff is right. They are completely different. methylphenidate, amphetamine, dexamphetamine and methamphetamine are all different.
comparing normal amphetamine to methamphetamine is like comparing a glass of wine to a bottle of vodka. The latter is a whole lot stronger.
exactly my point! they are all the same shit in a different can. If you fill a huge glass with wine how will that compare to a tiny hotel sample sized bottle of shit vodka that was filled 1/3 with water last time your teenager had some friends over?
 Point is the same whore on another block.
 The difference between speed flavors has zero to do with the point of this thread whatsoever yet that is all we've discussed.
  Makes me wonder if any productive conversation is possible without all the wasted typing over trivial BS that is of zero relevance
They are still similar, but methamphetamine still has different effects. I'm not 100% sure, but I'm fairly sure that per mg, methamphetamine is more potent than amphetamine in the stimulation is produces, but the euphoria induced by the drug is more than the increase in stimulation. if that makes sense. Example: Amphetamine has a stimulation rating of 100. A euphoria rating of 100. methamphetamine has a stimulation rating of 200 and a euphoria rating of 300. Do you get what I mean? They all produce stimulant effects, but amphetamine would be better than meth for concentrating on school work. Try working on cocaine. The euphoria is too good to work. You just wanna have fun.
Title: Re: It's "LEAGAL" to feed kids Hardcore drugs that are illeagal for consenting adult
Post by: kmfkewm on June 19, 2013, 11:21 am
Saying Methylphenidate is generic Methamphetamine doesn't even make sense...  ???
It was meant as sarcasm and all the chemistry and "web md" "wikipedia" info you guys want to throw in is not going to convince me that the pills I took for years and years was anything short of meth from a REALITY standpoint, meaning I took the shit for years and it effected me in every way meth ever did but to a greater extent.
  Specifically I mean it kept me up for way longer then meth did in it's "best days" with the record close to 2 weeks (followed by a week of sleep) also it would paralyze me completely if I ran out a few days before the new script. Meth withdraw is some lazy unmotivated days but the withdraw from that shit was 10x worse if suddenly ran out.
  Also the euphoria was way better then meth at its finest.

if x or y then z, therefor x == y logic only works on people when arguing about emotionally charged topics.


It's the same shit only the pills are better if you ask me. It's hilarious that you think it's so different. Have you ever been prescribed to it? Or are you just talking out of your ass here?

Maybe he has looked at their molecular structures. Methylphenidate isn't even an amphetamine.

ADD or ADHD is NOT a disease! it is a behavioral characteristic treatable through parenting technique and better teacher training would be of better outcome then simply feeding children speed.
 There is a bunch of BS and bad science feeding the monster and I suspect the billions of $$ the drug mfgs rake in every  year has some influence across the board.

Although ADD and ADHD are likely greatly over diagnosed, they are indeed diseases.
Title: Re: It's "LEAGAL" to feed kids Hardcore drugs that are illeagal for consenting adult
Post by: abrakadabra on June 19, 2013, 11:32 am
 well it is an amphetamine on a urine analysis, though that means little. This is a pointless argument. I may have oversimplified the classification to a degree but the point of the actual topic is still valid since we feed millions of kids powerful stimulants, amphetamines to some and similar powerful stimulants with different trade names and alternative chemistry to others.  I think if we can force stimulants on kids it is unfair that a consenting adult can not chose what they wish to consume.
 If my school guidance counselors and teachers had not made their misdiagnosis and convinced my parents to drug me, my life may have been very different. Maybe better, maybe worse but still would have saved me a few hundred grand.
Title: Re: It's "LEAGAL" to feed kids Hardcore drugs that are illeagal for consenting adult
Post by: abrakadabra on June 19, 2013, 11:39 am



Although ADD and ADHD are likely greatly over diagnosed, they are indeed diseases.
some may argue that it is simply a behavioral characteristic with better alternative treatment for children then addictive stimulants, but I maybe cant't relate as I was clearly among the misdiagnosed.
 
Title: Re: It's "LEAGAL" to feed kids Hardcore drugs that are illeagal for consenting adult
Post by: abrakadabra on June 19, 2013, 11:56 am
So I see the conclusion here.
Title: Re: It's "LEAGAL" to feed kids Hardcore drugs that are illeagal for consenting adult
Post by: Jack N Hoff on June 19, 2013, 12:08 pm
Don't try to blame being a meth addict on being prescribed Ritalin as a child.  We don't judge and we don't care.  I've never known or met a meth addict that became a meth addict because of Ritalin.  Ritalin isn't an amphetamine.  Ritalin is weak.  Meth is strong.  They are different.  Sorry to break it to you pal but you started doing meth for whatever reason that we do not know but it has nothing to do with you being prescribed Ritalin as a child. 
Title: Re: It's "LEAGAL" to feed kids Hardcore drugs that are illeagal for consenting adult
Post by: tree on June 19, 2013, 12:12 pm
It's weird you have an easier time getting off meth than you do getting off Ritalin.. Ritalin is a lot less addictive than meth. I agree with you though that stimulants are overprescribed to children that don't even have ADD/ADHD.
Title: Re: It's "LEAGAL" to feed kids Hardcore drugs that are illeagal for consenting adult
Post by: abrakadabra on June 19, 2013, 12:43 pm
Don't try to blame being a meth addict on being prescribed Ritalin as a child.  We don't judge and we don't care.  I've never known or met a meth addict that became a meth addict because of Ritalin.  Ritalin isn't an amphetamine.  Ritalin is weak.  Meth is strong.  They are different.  Sorry to break it to you pal but you started doing meth for whatever reason that we do not know but it has nothing to do with you being prescribed Ritalin as a child.
Yea I know the reason, it was the only thing close enough to the 60mgs of stimulant I became dependent on to leave my fucking bed and it was much stronger then the meth on SR in my body and you can talk out of your ass all you want and read up on wikipedia or whatever else you think makes you know everything about everything but I had zero interest in drugs prior to the methylphenidate they put me on and no interest in anything "stronger" or "different" and I have yet to find a batch of street meth that comes close to the effect of those little peach pills for more then the a day before loosing effect and building tolerance.
 You really don't think feeding someone stimulants for years would possibly be the blame for subsequent stimulate dependence shortly after discontinuation of availability.
  Basically you think it is merely a separate event and there is no connection between the stimulates because they are of different chemical structure despite very similar effects of the 2 stimulants. 
 I remember 1/2 of the pill would get me flying like a bird for almost an entire day and and I was prescribed 4x that dose per day. I could stay awake for a week and a half with ease, now I can't do 2 days without passing the fuck out even with loads of meth in me.
Title: Re: It's "LEAGAL" to feed kids Hardcore drugs that are illeagal for consenting adult
Post by: kmfkewm on June 19, 2013, 01:32 pm



Although ADD and ADHD are likely greatly over diagnosed, they are indeed diseases.
some may argue that it is simply a behavioral characteristic with better alternative treatment for children then addictive stimulants, but I maybe cant't relate as I was clearly among the misdiagnosed.

Attention is something that can be measured with tests. People who score significantly below average have some disability causing them to score below average. It might not be a disease per-se, but it is a dysfunctional behavioral characteristic. Stimulants measurably increase a persons ability to maintain attention on such tests, leading to higher scores. If the score is heightened such that it falls within or above the average range, then the dysfunctional behavioral characteristic is essentially treated.
Title: Re: It's "LEAGAL" to feed kids Hardcore drugs that are illeagal for consenting adult
Post by: hemolyzer on June 19, 2013, 01:43 pm
You need a new meth dealer.
Title: Re: It's "LEAGAL" to feed kids Hardcore drugs that are illeagal for consenting adult
Post by: abrakadabra on June 20, 2013, 12:20 pm



Although ADD and ADHD are likely greatly over diagnosed, they are indeed diseases.
some may argue that it is simply a behavioral characteristic with better alternative treatment for children then addictive stimulants, but I maybe cant't relate as I was clearly among the misdiagnosed.

Attention is something that can be measured with tests. People who score significantly below average have some disability causing them to score below average. It might not be a disease per-se, but it is a dysfunctional behavioral characteristic. Stimulants measurably increase a persons ability to maintain attention on such tests, leading to higher scores. If the score is heightened such that it falls within or above the average range, then the dysfunctional behavioral characteristic is essentially treated.
it can also be effective treatment to feed babies who cry too much at night sleeping pills, is it worth the harm though? It is also quite likely that if you test the children's attention with subject matter that they find interest in, they might score above average without speed.