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Market => Rumor mill => Topic started by: Lillith on March 28, 2012, 01:10 am
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Has he found new riches or is he going to selectively scan all those buying his bulk lots? He has been around for a while, I'd hate to think he would rip off his friends......
Any thoughts?
New name for this post for obvious reasons
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Do you have any proof he is a scammer? I placed a relatively small order with him recently.
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if i still used those lightweights i'd have bought these in a heartbeat. he's basically offering what everybody has been begging and complaining for and about forever. he can basically take down all the other vendors who are priced so high and correct the market. with so many people looking for these, i would think he can offer lower quantities but thats his business. not mine. onwards to legitimately priced opiates! just stay in escrow if you're so worried. toyotaman is legitimate as far as im concerned.
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Unfortunately, as it states on his recent posting via his seller page, Toyotaman is at jury duty for the next week or so and is in vacation mode. It also states he shipped out all the packages that needed to be, or refunded those who did not yet get a package. All apparently.... except for me. I was foolish for not staying in escrow, but was trying to get up my buyer stats with a small purchase so I COULD USE ESCROW.
It has been 7 days since my order, and I was assured priority shipment, not to mention 10 additional pills for finalizing early. I am sure I simply got lost in the shuffle, but either way, no fun for me. Toyotaman seems like a stand up seller, but I unfortunately HAD to leave him poor feedback. I had no other choice really.
I think a lot of what goes overlooked here on SR is the fact that in the process of ordering and receiving their goods, the buyer assumes nearly ALL of the risk. I do not mean risk of losing money, as obviously escrow prevents that, but in that we expose ourselves to great risk of apprehension by the law. Vendors, if they are reasonably intelligent, have a far better chance of not being exposed to these risks. I am done with my rant, and I think I'm hanging it up on SR for now.
There are some solid fucking people on here though, it was nice getting to know you. If Toyotaman and I resolve our issue, I will update.
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I think the jury is still out on this one...... OooOoh, get it... He's at jury duty and the jury is still o... oh nevermind. Anyways, I placed a rather large order with him but have yet to receive. I will be sure to follow up and let everyone know what the hap's. If anyone has received norco from Toyotaman, please speak up now.
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Add me to the placed large order, but haven't received group. I'm still hopeful, but I think we may be caught up in another vendor's final fuck you before they leave.
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I placed an order last night and had it cancelled by him today without explanation. I noticed his listings are all gone. Is it Jury Duty or is he gone for good?
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I sent him a couple messages that went unread so far. I'm feeling fucked by the green weeny of SR right now. Looks like we should assume the position dudes.
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I too have large orders coming, but all in escrow. They were supposed to be here Monday so I'm guessing theyre not coming. He is not responding to msgs, even at night after jury duty would be over.
If you finalized early, I'd be really worried. He seemed like a standup guy, but you never know until you know.
Lesson, never finalize early, even for 'bonuses'
I'll get my money back pretty soon, in 2-3 weeks. But thos e of you who FE wont see a dime back.
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Yeah... we're fucked. Thank baby Jesus I had very little skin in the game with this fella.
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I learned a very expensive and shitty lesson this week. Never ever finalize early! Even for someone with 300+ transactions and all of them are 5/5. When people see an opportunity, they just can't help themselves. He saw an opening, expensive norco and thought hmm... I guess I'll make a fuck load of money.
Here's his scam and about how much he made off with:
He was selling 111 norco @ $3 a piece for a total of $333 + SR fee's. It worked out to about $350 total or so before fee's. When I bought 2 listings, he had 24 listed as "available" which should have been the second red flag. No one, and I mean NO ONE will ever have access to 2664 norco, oxy or anything for that matter. You'd have to rob the damn pharmaceutical company itself to get that many norco, I don't care who you are.
But, being the idiot I am, I still ordered and didn't connect the dots. Because I was in withdrawals already my mind was not working so I finalized early because he said my package would ship Saturday pending early finalization to receive the bonus. So in my mind I had to have the product in my hand as quick as possible, so I finalized early. Hell toyotaman even sent me some DHC about 6 months ago, so I trusted the guy (stupid).
Anyways, if he did sell the whole lot of 24 available at $350 a piece, he made off with around $8,400 bucks! Not too shabby for a weeks long sale and shipping a few packages selectively to keep some good feedback coming in and string everyone along.
Now he's unlisted all items, stopped answering messages at all even though he states his "associate BB" will be doing this, and put his account in "vacation mode" so no one can leave feedback now (At least I think that's how it works, dunno don't have vendor account).
And after all this, it's not losing the money that pisses me off because $700 bucks is nothing and easily replaceable.... It's the fact that I'm still in withdrawals and WANT MY DAMN NORCOS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHY IS EVERYONE BECOMING A SCAMMER?!?!?! Are we buyers that fucking awful to you sellers? Are we that much of pieces of shit that you have to try and make a quick dime on someone who is legitimately in pain and needs medication the doctors won't prescribe because they're scared of losing their license. WTF?! I'm starting to lose the feeling of "community" that was present when I joined this fucking site. GAH! >:( :o
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Everyone posting in this thread needs to go alter their feedback if they have time. Just go to account -> View Feedback -> and then Edit from your purchase with him. In case he decides to come back ever...
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And yes MentalMatt, I agree it's dehumanizing as FUCK to be treated this way as a buyer. Not worth it.
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Yep Matt,
Thats exactly the way I saw it. That is a lot of vikes to get. Thats why i stayed 100% in escrow.
Everyone who hasn't gotten a package yet needs to report to Silk road customer support. There is a chance they can freeze some BTC if you report it now.
Don't wait cause there's no upside to waiting.
If he's legit, you apologize and you get your shit.
If hes a fraud, you reported him as soon as you could.
I hope he's just haveing shipping issues. Seemed like a good guy. Be a shame to have another reputable vendor go haywire and do a last act screw job like this.
Silk road has got to do something better to protect members from established vendors screwing people and then jumping ship.
Best of luck all
I learned a very expensive and shitty lesson this week. Never ever finalize early! Even for someone with 300+ transactions and all of them are 5/5. When people see an opportunity, they just can't help themselves. He saw an opening, expensive norco and thought hmm... I guess I'll make a fuck load of money.
Here's his scam and about how much he made off with:
He was selling 111 norco @ $3 a piece for a total of $333 + SR fee's. It worked out to about $350 total or so before fee's. When I bought 2 listings, he had 24 listed as "available" which should have been the second red flag. No one, and I mean NO ONE will ever have access to 2664 norco, oxy or anything for that matter. You'd have to rob the damn pharmaceutical company itself to get that many norco, I don't care who you are.
But, being the idiot I am, I still ordered and didn't connect the dots. Because I was in withdrawals already my mind was not working so I finalized early because he said my package would ship Saturday pending early finalization to receive the bonus. So in my mind I had to have the product in my hand as quick as possible, so I finalized early. Hell toyotaman even sent me some DHC about 6 months ago, so I trusted the guy (stupid).
Anyways, if he did sell the whole lot of 24 available at $350 a piece, he made off with around $8,400 bucks! Not too shabby for a weeks long sale and shipping a few packages selectively to keep some good feedback coming in and string everyone along.
Now he's unlisted all items, stopped answering messages at all even though he states his "associate BB" will be doing this, and put his account in "vacation mode" so no one can leave feedback now (At least I think that's how it works, dunno don't have vendor account).
And after all this, it's not losing the money that pisses me off because $700 bucks is nothing and easily replaceable.... It's the fact that I'm still in withdrawals and WANT MY DAMN NORCOS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHY IS EVERYONE BECOMING A SCAMMER?!?!?! Are we buyers that fucking awful to you sellers? Are we that much of pieces of shit that you have to try and make a quick dime on someone who is legitimately in pain and needs medication the doctors won't prescribe because they're scared of losing their license. WTF?! I'm starting to lose the feeling of "community" that was present when I joined this fucking site. GAH! >:( :o
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Powerful Schrady! Thank you for the help. I messaged SR support, I suggest everyone else that's read this post and is having a similar issue do the same.
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Bad News. My mail came today and nothing. My package was supposed to be mailed out last Thursday priority. Given the post offices issues, I could see it taking 3-4 business days, but not 5.
At this point I have very little hope of getting anything from him but a "Resolve" on my order and my money back.
this is a real bummer as my BTC's are tied up and my supply is really low. I was semi counting on him, although I did make a backup plan of a smaller amt with another vendor Just in Case.
Looks like I'll need it.
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Shitty. But yeah, it's been 8 or 9 days for me. There's no fucking way it takes that long for priority from one coast to another. Hopefully we get this handled in some manner. There has to be some sort of punishment for these sellers that are cutting and running. A hold on transferring large amounts of their funds all at the same time (like 7 days?), in order to assure customer satisfaction before rolling the fuck out on everyone like this. This dude butt fucked us it seems, and our only means of resolution is through a guy who couldn't care less.
I am SO glad I only dropped like $60 on this sketchy heap of bull shit. I would never do this to another human being. Jesus Christ.
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Major bummer! So bummed out right now. My other connect dried up and I'm not due for a refill on my norco until next week for 90. 90 doesn't last but 2 weeks and then I'm 2 weeks of withdrawls again. Norco are so high priced on here, I just can't justify it... 8 - 10 a pill? Are you fucking kidding me? I had a hard time paying 5.60 a pill from my connect... but no way I can keep it up at these SR prices. I was really hoping toyotaman would come through... that's fucked up man. Why?! Greedy sons of bitches!
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and why have more people not come forward and why does he have no new reviews? I don't see any good ones or bad ones... no changed reviews. Are there more people out there or is it really just the 4 or 5 of us on this thread that haven't received? It's just not making any sense and my poor brain is hurting now. I just can't let it go! I was soooo close I felt! ahahahaha fuck me!
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By the way... all my messages to them go un-read, but his SR profile activity says he was last seen today.........HMMMMMM. I sent SR a message, but it's been un-read and I'm sure there is nothing they can do, especially for those that finalized early (even though I feel we could all easily be paid back)
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Well a lot of people seem to be holding on to hope about this, but my mail came today, and if "Tman" had corrected this issue, like he said he has on his page, there has been AMPLE time to disclose that to those waiting on packages one on one.
The reason none of his feedbacks have changed is because most people who have figured out that their shit isn't coming are way back in his feedback timeline. You'll see that change drastically within the next week. Many of these people are having issues coming to terms with the fact that they may have been royally fucked, and thus, aren't coming to the forum to face reality.
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When I say I got my mail today, I also mean to say there wasn't anything cool from Tman in it... obviously.
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I will go on record saying one thing... If my package does arrive at some point, I will feel like a complete dick fuck... But we'll wait until the jury let's us know their verdict!
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Yeah I will for sure dude, I will feel like a dick. But, we have valid reasons to be concerned, and unhappy. There is a clear pattern of behavior here that suggests no one, except Toyotaman, is coming out of this with roses and daffodils in their hair humming a peppy fucking tune.
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Yep... mail came. No package, no slip, no leave at front door. Gotta love it...
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Well, goddamn, looks like I'm not the only one.
No package today, tomorrow will be 9 days.
I'm not horribly pissed, since it was a very small order. $35. Finalized early for extra DHC. Not something I do with a vendor I have never used before, but it's not much money and he had good feedback.
I wasn't worried about it until I saw this thread. USPS sucks, but what are the odds that all of our packages are running late?
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Ninjaman, we probably ordered the same day, somewhere around the 27th when the "sale" started. Yeah, it looks like we've shit the bed on this one. I was pissed at first, just because of the waiting, but I only lost $60 too. I feel bad for these other guys, Toyotaman fucked over some nice people.
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Will wait and see what happens.
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I was probably speaking out of turn a little bit there. The truth is, I have no fucking idea what's going on. It just seems preposterous that Toyotaman wouldn't have access to some form of communication right now.
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That was my point. Jury duty is done at 4pm. He's obviously logging in, but choosing not to read msgs. If my business as blowing up like this, I would at least get on the forum and say sorry.
Matt is right, as the days progress, more and more people will realize they got bent and come here and look for a thread.
I dont think you guys will feel like dicks. Its been waaaaay too long for too many people. Silk road will get to him in a day or two. They will cancel all his orders in escrow and refund the money.
If you FE'd, you're pretty much fucked though, unless he left some btc in his account.
Based on the amount of his feedbacks the finalized early, I would be the amount of people coming to this thread in the next 5 days will be over 50.
Fucking thieves piss me off
I was probably speaking out of turn a little bit there. The truth is, I have no fucking idea what's going on. It just seems preposterous that Toyotaman wouldn't have access to some form of communication right now.
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PS. I just hit his feedback with a 1 for one of the orders he cancelled on me last week and told me he was gonna reship. I directed people who finalized early here. This thread will blow up in 24 hours.
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Oh for sure, did you see how many Finalize Early reviews were on his page?! People are going to go ape. But they'll be pissing up a rope. I only say that because my rope is pretty fucking wet right now.
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Wow, 9 month member with 100 feedback, if he went to the dark side I am out about $300 on 3 orders, the first one was 8 days ago and nothing in the mail today... I even said to myself, don't order any more until the first one shows up but damn 9 months and 100 feedback and GREAT communication, I said bah, he it totally legit... Come on T-Man, do right by us.
I swear to god I will never fucking FE again, EVER, I will just take a pass.
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I'll say one more thing, and shut the fuck up. The update to his seller page is definitely a stalling tactic. If you look at it objectively, that's just what it is. There isn't much rhyme or reason to it.
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Unfourtunately I could be added to this list as well. 9 days and counting.Funny thing is I never go out of escrow but 9 months at 100 feedback. Lesson learned. Hope Tman proved us wrong. The only time I had a longer shipping time was during Xmas season and that was 14 days. Guess what? ITs not Xmas.
Emails have gone unanswered as well.
(username changed for obvious reasons)
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Young, I think you are right. Stall tactic. I've had one other experience with a 6+ month 99 rating vendor going bad. He did almost the exact same thing. Ton of listings. Cheap prices and asked everyone to finalize early for a deal. Then vacation mode. Then spilt.
By the time SR answered any of my emails, he was 10 days gone. Probably has a new seller account here under a diff name.
No matter waht the circumstances, dont finalize early. If you are new and arent rated, buy small amounts from repsected vendors till you have 4 or 5 transactions. And certainly never, ever, finalize early an amount you dont wanna lose.
EMAIL SILK ROAD if you are a victim ASAP. Got put up an alert NOW!!
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Ordered from tman last thurs., and nothing yet. Maybe it's a Mercury retrograde thing? haha LOL..
I have never ordered from tman before so I don't know how long it takes. Perhaps someone who has ordered from him in the past could state how long it usually takes and how late it's today? I realize that some of you have stated that packages have been reshipped so, we certainly have that. I did notice when I was first looking at pre-finalizing and giving feedback that there wasn't but one or two comments on how swift or how long his shipping takes normally.
I have sent him a message to see when he thinks my order will arrive. Hopefully it's all just a mix up. I will respond if I get a reply.
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Word to the wise: Be very wary of any future domestic vendor that pops up selling DHC. Or any new vendor out of Seattle, too.
A forum search shows that he was somehow tied to ficusfucker from Seattle who also scammed his way out of here.
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Sign 1: He's logging in but not reading msgs.
Sign 2: Big sales, really cheap prices, ton of people finalized early
Sign 3: For people who did escrow, he drew it out by stating he messed up shipping and had to reship (me) I ordered from him over 2 weeks ago, and my reship was supposed to have shipped last Thursday. I asked for a tracking number 5x while he was still answering msgs. He kept promising it, but never sent one.
Face it. He's skipped with the cash. It's been too long for any type of priorty mail and too many people haven't received anything yet. I have yet to see anyone who has actually received anything from this "sale"
Word to the wise: Be very wary of any future domestic vendor that pops up selling DHC. Or any new vendor out of Seattle, too.
A forum search shows that he was somehow tied to ficusfucker from Seattle who also scammed his way out of here.
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You're all right... As I go back through his feedback and look at it, a lot of the tones just sound like him. There is greatness with TOR and being anonymous, no one can find you. But there is a very dark side as well... NO ONE CAN FIND YOU. I'm thinking that most of his so called listings that were bought and people who left awesome feedback are just a bunch of him with different accounts. Sure he probably really shipped DHC pills and other low quality shit he could get his hands on while stringing everyone along with a TON of fake feedback. Do you understand how easy it is to make a new SR account? Pretty fucking simple and since there is no logging for obvious reasons, you can't tell if he's just selling a ton of bunk listings to himself and then passing bitcoins back and forth to make good feedback appear in record time. I'd go on record that there isn't one person on SR who EVER received Norco's from him... Sure probably DHC's, but did anyone ever receive Norco from him?
If you hover over the "Item" link on a Sellers Feedback, it will give you the title of the listing. He sold a TON of listings for 200 Norco @ $3 and also 111 Norco @ $3. TMAN might have made off with more money then I thought...
I went back and forth with him in message for awhile because he kept messaging me all nice like. I know his tone and I'm telling you, a bunch of the feedback just sounds like him... call me crazy, maybe I am crazy. But who knows.
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Oh I would say with reasonable certainty that many, MANY of those transactions are fake, or at least contrived by Tman himself. I see that shit all the time on respected seller pages, it becomes hard to ignore when you see the same style of writing over and over and over. There aren't THAT many loyal customers out there. Fuck man, it's a bust. He never gave me a DCN when I asked for it either. This reeks. Stick a fork in it my friends, this is most definitely a scam. I can say it with 99% certainty.
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Well, this sucks. I placed my first ever SR order with toyotaman on Monday. He was quick to respond and offer me a "bonus" if I finalized early. The trend on most sellers pages seems to be asking new buyers to finalize early, so I didn't think it was a big deal, given his feedback and the number of transactions. It wasn't a large order, but it still wasn't money I can just say "oh, well" about.
I had tried to place an order with another vendor first, but they informed me they were out of Norco. I spent a week after registering with SR checking out the sellers before placing my order. I even searched the forums to see what other users had to say about the ones I was considering. If only this thread had existed a few days sooner! Now I'm hurting and pissed. I sent him a message this afternoon asking if my package had been shipped and if there was a tracking number. No response. I guess I will watch the mail for a couple more days to see if anything shows up, but you all have left me with little hope. It seems it's gonna be a tough Easter weekend.
Not a good experience for a first-time buyer.
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This prick got me for six bills. Never FE for anyone! There are no respected sellers here, only drug dealers.
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I'll say one more thing, and shut the fuck up. The update to his seller page is definitely a stalling tactic. If you look at it objectively, that's just what it is. There isn't much rhyme or reason to it.
You're probably right, but I also have to wonder, why would he even bother if he's cutting & running?
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PissnNails, you're not the only one... He took me for over six bills... Just goes to show you... You really can't trust anyone, even someone with 100% 5/5 feedback. Matter of fact, that might be the person to suspect most! haha... Just sucks, I remember placing orders no questions asked and receiving in 2 days max from vendors... great pricing, everyone used the finalize button properly... wtf has happened to this beautiful place.
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We got screwed for sure. He never responded to my message nor did his so called assistant BB. Anyhow, going forward, if I see sellers asking to FE I will let them know that this is highly frowned upon, and so should you. So far as we know, it could have been the same person, using different names screwing everyone over this past week or so. I have been reading through the forums and have noticed that there has been several sellers scamming this past week.
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It's weird that he logged in today and all he did (visibly) was change some phrasing on his seller page. He had a phrase on their about "the Good 'ol U S of fuckin' aye" that he has subsequently taken off. I guess he wouldn't want to offend us. Or something. What a strange thing to do.
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It's weird that he logged in today and all he did (visibly) was change some phrasing on his seller page. He had a phrase on their about "the Good 'ol U S of fuckin' aye" that he has subsequently taken off. I guess he wouldn't want to offend us. Or something. What a strange thing to do.
Wow, that is strange. Good catch. He might as well delete his account unless a slew of packages start arriving in mailboxes.
To the first time buyer who got ripped by toyotaman: Hang in there, this was the first time someone scammed me in 25 purchases & 10 months. There are good vendors here. I feel bad for new buyers having to finalize early but I don't see anyway around it when new accounts can be made without limitation.
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Well, SR support got backed to me and basically said what we all knew they would say, no recourse for finalizing early. BUT, he also said he would at least try to get into touch with Tman, and try to seek out a resolution.
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I am pleased to report the Silk Road DID go in and cancel my escrowed orders and I received a full refund today. Remember boys and girls, when something like $3 vicodin shows up, it IS too good to be true. Make them prove it!! Especially when every other vendor is double that.
Order canceled
Dear schrady,
We are sorry to inform you that your order of (1) DHC stealth schrady special price for 100# from toyotaman has been canceled. Your payment has been returned to your account and we hope that you can find a suitable replacement from another seller.
Best regards,
Silk Road staff 35 minutes unread
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SR Support Order canceled
Dear schrady,
We are sorry to inform you that your order of (1) Vicodin $3 per pill! Norco 10/325 !! x 111 pills from toyotaman has been canceled. Your payment has been returned to your account and we hope that you can find a suitable replacement from another seller.
Best regards,
Silk Road staff
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Same here. SR support responded to my report as well. That's about all we can do for now.
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PS. Its official. Any of you who were hoping for a miracle, forget it.
SR Support re: Another respected vendor gobe ROGUE
Toyotaman has been banned. Your coins have been returned.
~SR Support
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But if he's banned, how will he get back on next week after jury duty to make everything right?!?!?!? hahahaha :D Sorry, laughing is all I can do right at this shit. FUCK ME!
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Glad some of you are getting your coins back. I didn't even participate in his sale for the $3 Vics. He hung around just long enough to get me at $7.50. Should I have known that was too good to be true, also?
I am torn now, because as a new buyer, I am very limited in who I can order from that doesn't state they want early finalization from newbies. All the cliches come to mind. Fool me once...shame on you...Fool me twice...shame on me. Once bitten, twice shy. And so on.
So how do we newbies find what we need and protect ourselves when research and feedback have proven unreliable?
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PrettyinGreen, the nature of being a new buyer is shitty. Every once in a while you HAVE to compromise, but just try to keep your initial purchases small, or in escrow. Even if it's shit you might not necessarily use right away, there are sellers out there that remain in escrow for new sellers. Build up your stats. I am JUST finally being accepted as a trusted buyer and I've been on here for a couple of months.
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Dude,
Buy small amounts from good vendors and build up at least 4 transactions. Just buy 5 vikes 4 times and youre set.
Seller VICODIN is a great guy, honest as they come, but a lil pricey. He is the most pupular vendor for opiods though.
Glad some of you are getting your coins back. I didn't even participate in his sale for the $3 Vics. He hung around just long enough to get me at $7.50. Should I have known that was too good to be true, also?
I am torn now, because as a new buyer, I am very limited in who I can order from that doesn't state they want early finalization from newbies. All the cliches come to mind. Fool me once...shame on you...Fool me twice...shame on me. Once bitten, twice shy. And so on.
So how do we newbies find what we need and protect ourselves when research and feedback have proven unreliable?
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I will probably be using Vicodin as my only seller pretty much. Solid dude.
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Tell him schrady sent you. He's my boy
I will probably be using Vicodin as my only seller pretty much. Solid dude.
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Right on, will do!
Tell him schrady sent you. He's my boy
I will probably be using Vicodin as my only seller pretty much. Solid dude.
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Dude,
Buy small amounts from good vendors and build up at least 4 transactions. Just buy 5 vikes 4 times and youre set.
Seller VICODIN is a great guy, honest as they come, but a lil pricey. He is the most pupular vendor for opiods though.
I'm not a dude, but thanks for the tips! ;)
Maybe I'll try again this weekend.
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Looks like I'll also be adding myself to the potential list of people who've been scammed. Totally sucks because he was such an awesome seller -- had about half a dozen transactions with him go off without a hitch, super responsive, super fast shipping. This last order with him was pretty big and it's going to SUCK if it turns out he scammed all us. Messaged the admins to see if they can do anything for me. Anyone else hear any news, or get response back from the admins on this one? Solid sellers on SR are so awesome, it's sad when one turns out like this.
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Custom order cancelled by SR Support. Full refund. Never finalize early!
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Tell him schrady sent you. He's my boy
I will probably be using Vicodin as my only seller pretty much. Solid dude.
Be careful with this guy too. He once threatened to post a customer's shipping address because of a low rating. There are no "solid dudes" here. They are fucking drug dealers. Treat them as such.
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Although that's probably true, I try to judge people on here solely based on the type of ship they're running business-wise. Although they are, as a point of fact, drug dealers; I am a drug buyer.
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Hey everybody, we might as well just laugh it off. ;D All we can do at this point, I agree as was mentioned earlier. I went for a 111 hydro order myself and finalized early. >:( I have only had good experiences as well, and with various sellers on SR. I'm not entirely sure why these pills are so expensive though. Is a supply and demand thing or...? I mean there are various other opiate options out there. If these little hydros were not so expensive, we all wouldn't have knee-jerked at this opportunity.
If nothing else, let it be a good lesson that if you FE you only have yourself to blame. Going forward, if a buyer has 20 buys with a seller and the last one the buyer gets screwed (because you decided to FE), it still stings regardless. No MORE FE early with me. If need be, I will build up rapport with a seller and prove that "I" am worth it, even if it's only one or two pills at a time, but eventually I will be able to buy more or keep on truckin till I find someone that will work with me. This is the only way it can work and there are obviously other sellers to chose from. A good seller will either sell you more, or give you better prices since they know you're a good egg. The more people that adhere to this guideline the better off we all will be. Muhch of this may sound so obvious, but that fucker got quite a few of us, so I needed get that out there!
Happy trails all!
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Yep, He made off with a lor of money.
What we need to do is get Silk Road to do SOMETHING to protect us from vendors who are trusted and have good feedbacks from skipping town.
They should make vendors put down a deposit, or hold all their BTC's for 5 days, or change the finalize button so no one can finalize until at least 3 days afetr transaction.
Any of those would help out us users who are getting screwed. I got all my money back today, but I bet he got 100 of you for 50-600 each. Thats some good coin that could have been prevented
Hey everybody, we might as well just laugh it off. ;D All we can do at this point, I agree as was mentioned earlier. I went for a 111 hydro order myself and finalized early. >:( I have only had good experiences as well, and with various sellers on SR. I'm not entirely sure why these pills are so expensive though. Is a supply and demand thing or...? I mean there are various other opiate options out there. If these little hydros were not so expensive, we all wouldn't have knee-jerked at this opportunity.
If nothing else, let it be a good lesson that if you FE you only have yourself to blame. Going forward, if a buyer has 20 buys with a seller and the last one the buyer gets screwed (because you decided to FE), it still stings regardless. No MORE FE early with me. If need be, I will build up rapport with a seller and prove that "I" am worth it, even if it's only one or two pills at a time, but eventually I will be able to buy more or keep on truckin till I find someone that will work with me. This is the only way it can work and there are obviously other sellers to chose from. A good seller will either sell you more, or give you better prices since they know you're a good egg. The more people that adhere to this guideline the better off we all will be. Muhch of this may sound so obvious, but that fucker got quite a few of us, so I needed get that out there!
Happy trails all!
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Yep, He made off with a lor of money.
What we need to do is get Silk Road to do SOMETHING to protect us from vendors who are trusted and have good feedbacks from skipping town.
They should make vendors put down a deposit, or hold all their BTC's for 5 days, or change the finalize button so no one can finalize until at least 3 days afetr transaction.
Any of those would help out us users who are getting screwed. I got all my money back today, but I bet he got 100 of you for 50-600 each. Thats some good coin that could have been prevented
There is protection against vendors skipping town with your money. It's called ESCROW.
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Not here to gloat, but I'm thinking SR might have run it's course... I spent 1 day on another website and met someone Face 2 Face tonight and picked up 20 of the 30mg roxi blue boy's for $400 bucks. That's $20 a pill and they're fresh from the pharmacy. He also said he can get norco for $5 a pop... I'm thinking i'm pretty much done with SR for awhile as the street prices are sooooo much better and I can call him anytime to get more.
At least something worked out for me, although it doesn't make everything toyotaman did to me better, at least I'm high now and have a new connect! This forced me to think outside the box and now it actually worked out better for me. So basically it cost me$600+ dollars to find/source my new in-person vendor... not too bad to be able to place a call and have them 2 hours later in my hand.
Sorry, again not trying to gloat but god damn I'm fucking high right now!! ahahaha
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I wish you all luck and please be safe out there...
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I wish you all luck and please be safe out there...
Man I'd be telling yourself the same thing. Sure you may have got a deal and a good buyer, but what happens when he gets busted and points the finger at you?
Why do you think people spend more money on drugs on here? Because they don't have to deal with IRL situations.
No guns pulled, cops, etc, etc.
If I were you I would think twice. I would much rather wait a few days and pay more than getting raped it the shower on a daily basis.
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add me to the list. i got suckered in. his seller history was top notch, even though i had never previously ordered from him. his deal was too good for me to pass up. it's now 7 days since i ordered it. i guess the old adage "if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is" is appropriate for this situation. it definitely stings. in retrospect i wish i would have stuck with the few vendors i usually do business with and have never ever had any problems.
let me preface this by stating that i don't necessarily think this person is a scammer - but there is already another newbie vendor selling super cheap opiates in bulk, and when i asked if they would allow orders without finalizing early (my purchasing stats are top notch IMO) - the answer was no. the seller is brand new, I'm an experienced buyer: why do i have to finalize early?
lesson learned: no more finalizing early unless i have a history with the seller.
DBLookOut
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sorry to see that he decided to go rogue with you guys. one of the points i made in a post awhile back was that the endgame for most of the vendors on here will be ripping you the fuck off. there is nothing stopping them. sure, enough vets will stay in escrow but it'll end like so many others have with a final rip off and screw you to people who fe. i don't see a solution but i do see this becoming a rather big problem. ptp last week. now this jerkoff. countless others in the past. these vendors dont want to stay on here forever exposing themselves to le. most vendors on here i wouldn't expect to stay on here longer than 2 or 3 months at most. hope people get their money back.
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add me to the list. i got suckered in. his seller history was top notch, even though i had never previously ordered from him. his deal was too good for me to pass up. it's now 7 days since i ordered it. i guess the old adage "if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is" is appropriate for this situation. it definitely stings. in retrospect i wish i would have stuck with the few vendors i usually do business with and have never ever had any problems.
let me preface this by stating that i don't necessarily think this person is a scammer - but there is already another newbie vendor selling super cheap opiates in bulk, and when i asked if they would allow orders without finalizing early (my purchasing stats are top notch IMO) - the answer was no. the seller is brand new, I'm an experienced buyer: why do i have to finalize early?
lesson learned: no more finalizing early unless i have a history with the seller.
DBLookOut
Hey DBLookOut, I'm sorry to hear you got roughed up as well. Would you mind PM'ing me the vendor you have your suspicions about? I don't want to interrogate them or anything, just want to make sure I keep them on my radar just in case. If you are hesitant to do so, I totally understand.
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Yeah. I finalized early, like a dumbass. Had some other transactions with Toyotaman before with no problems... I FEed with one and didn't with another, and thankfully the second got canceled, but he still got away with $168 of my bitcoin. I did learn my lesson, but damn. My first bad experience on SR. Well, chalk it up to experience.
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I'm in MentalMatt's boat (but not in withdrawal, thank God). I ordered 20 pills in 3/27, and 10 more on 4/2 (that old "fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me" thing). I finalized early because I'm new here, and because I realize that the sellers assume far more risk than we buyer. So far, nothing.
I hate to give someone lousy feedback, but if I don't get something in the mail by the end of the week, I'll give him a 1/5 for both transactions, kiss my money goodbye, and tell people on the forums to avoid, avoid, avoid.
It's such a bummer. I've had nothing but great experiences with sellers here, and I hate to see one bad apple ruin the whole barrel, but this is no way to treat people.
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I really hate to say this, but you may as well give up on it and you actually can't go change the feedback now, there is nothing coming in the mail. SR banned his seller's account already, because he cleaned out his account and left. Sorry for the bad news.
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I got fucked over to the tune of 35BTC. I've 20 left in my account then i'm pretty much done with this SR
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DB,
Who is the seller. Finalize only is against site srules and will get him banned. Thats what keeps assholes like Toyotaman from coming back and doing it again and again
Report him or post his name here and I will
add me to the list. i got suckered in. his seller history was top notch, even though i had never previously ordered from him. his deal was too good for me to pass up. it's now 7 days since i ordered it. i guess the old adage "if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is" is appropriate for this situation. it definitely stings. in retrospect i wish i would have stuck with the few vendors i usually do business with and have never ever had any problems.
let me preface this by stating that i don't necessarily think this person is a scammer - but there is already another newbie vendor selling super cheap opiates in bulk, and when i asked if they would allow orders without finalizing early (my purchasing stats are top notch IMO) - the answer was no. the seller is brand new, I'm an experienced buyer: why do i have to finalize early?
lesson learned: no more finalizing early unless i have a history with the seller.
DBLookOut
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TOYOTAMAN has been banned you idiot. You cant give him feedback at all. He's been kicked off the site.
Thats what this threads about right?
Toyotaman?
I'm in MentalMatt's boat (but not in withdrawal, thank God). I ordered 20 pills in 3/27, and 10 more on 4/2 (that old "fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me" thing). I finalized early because I'm new here, and because I realize that the sellers assume far more risk than we buyer. So far, nothing.
I hate to give someone lousy feedback, but if I don't get something in the mail by the end of the week, I'll give him a 1/5 for both transactions, kiss my money goodbye, and tell people on the forums to avoid, avoid, avoid.
It's such a bummer. I've had nothing but great experiences with sellers here, and I hate to see one bad apple ruin the whole barrel, but this is no way to treat people.
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Uh humm.....
Read my posts from last Friday..... I told you all SR had banned him and locked out his account. I even copied and pasted the email from SR in my message
I really hate to say this, but you may as well give up on it and you actually can't go change the feedback now, there is nothing coming in the mail. SR banned his seller's account already, because he cleaned out his account and left. Sorry for the bad news.
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I got fucked over to the tune of 35BTC. I've 20 left in my account then i'm pretty much done with this SR
unless anyone fancies lending me 5BTC so I can get some coke from moveitnice!
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I got fucked over to the tune of 35BTC. I've 20 left in my account then i'm pretty much done with this SR
unless anyone fancies lending me 5BTC so I can get some coke from moveitnice!
Yes, because right after you say you're pissed and leaving the community someone is going to loan you money...
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maybe i spoke out of frustration, just waiting on a bank transfer so i can buy some but it heartens me to think people do lend to others.
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I am so sad i'm trying everything not to think of this shit.
I'm a fucking idiot and rely on the 'trusted seller' adage, sent him $450 user to user without even a custom listing.
I am 100% fail for doing business outside of escrow, sending money user to user etc. ... the deal was just too tempting.
Fuck, that's a lot of money and fuck this planet it aint fair lol.
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How the fuck did I get -1 karma points?
What is a karma point? Are we all playing with barney the dinosaurs pussy?
I was one of the first two or 3 to sniff out Toyotaman and I guarantee the first one to Email SR support on him.
That should get me KARMA up the ASS
Sorry I couldnt save your guys money too, but I should be getting mega + karma for keeping everyone up top speed on what SR said with my msg reposts
Oh well. Fuck Karma......
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Hey Guys, I can't do a huge volume, but I can probably handle 200-400 Lortab 10's a month. Scrady just cleaned me out, but I should have more in a few weeks.
I dont require finalization early, and if you buy 2 or more pills I ALWAYS throw in at least one extra (if supplies are up.)
I think Schrady is getting something like 5 or 10 free pills from the volume he ordered.
Bookmark me, and when I post up that I have more stock, I am willing to work one on one to do custom listings and custom pricing.
I ship within 48-72 hours max.
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I 100% vouche for him. I got my first package today (a little earlier than I thought I would), and I have about $400 more worth on the way. LittleP is a stand up guy, great communicator, and has good product. Plus you dont have to FE.
ORDER FROM HIM!! Dont be dumbass.
Took 3 about an hour ago and I am GROOOOOOOOOVINnnnnnnnnnnnnn
Hey Guys, I can't do a huge volume, but I can probably handle 200-400 Lortab 10's a month. Scrady just cleaned me out, but I should have more in a few weeks.
I dont require finalization early, and if you buy 2 or more pills I ALWAYS throw in at least one extra (if supplies are up.)
I think Schrady is getting something like 5 or 10 free pills from the volume he ordered.
Bookmark me, and when I post up that I have more stock, I am willing to work one on one to do custom listings and custom pricing.
I ship within 48-72 hours max.
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I 100% vouche for him. I got my first package today (a little earlier than I thought I would), and I have about $400 more worth on the way. LittleP is a stand up guy, great communicator, and has good product. Plus you dont have to FE.
ORDER FROM HIM!! Dont be dumbass.
Took 3 about an hour ago and I am GROOOOOOOOOVINnnnnnnnnnnnnn
Hey Guys, I can't do a huge volume, but I can probably handle 200-400 Lortab 10's a month. Scrady just cleaned me out, but I should have more in a few weeks.
I dont require finalization early, and if you buy 2 or more pills I ALWAYS throw in at least one extra (if supplies are up.)
I think Schrady is getting something like 5 or 10 free pills from the volume he ordered.
Bookmark me, and when I post up that I have more stock, I am willing to work one on one to do custom listings and custom pricing.
I ship within 48-72 hours max.
wewt!
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Man, the FE scams are increasing in frequency. It might just be what causes the death of SR.
Imagine that SR dies from scammers and not LEO crackdown. Now wouldn't that be sad?
Or maybe it is LEO doing these scams as a way to create FUD(fear, uncertainty and doubt).
What's next? Trying to busting those who, like me, never ever go outside escrow?
Seems the best bet around here is to buy small, but buy often. Diversify your risk I suppose.
No, I didn't get caught up with this Toyotaman thing and because I have a personal rule to never go outside escrow no matter what. But when these scammers steal from one from the community, they steal from us all.
The only weapon we have against this is escrow. It's not perfect but at least it's something.
I feel for you guys. Especially for the first timers. I mean, you go through all the trouble to learn PGP, Tor, bitcoins, and such in the end to only get robbed. That's BS. What we need is a 50%/50% system to limit risk and end the 100% FE capability. What I mean is: 50% FE/50% Escrow. And it can only be for orders of a certain size threshold and for new buyers (at the election of the seller) . Everyone else does 100% Escrow. Losing 50% is better than losing 100%. And it might make a scammer think twice about bothering to scam if the most he can get is 50%. Only the most hardened scammers will calculate 50% as worth it.
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Man, the FE scams are increasing in frequency. It might just be what causes the death of SR.
Imagine that SR dies from scammers and not LEO crackdown. Now wouldn't that be sad?
Or maybe it is LEO doing these scams as a way to create FUD(fear, uncertainty and doubt).
What's next? Trying to busting those who, like me, never ever go outside escrow?
Seems the best bet around here is to buy small, but buy often. Diversify your risk I suppose.
No, I didn't get caught up with this Toyotaman thing and because I have a personal rule to never go outside escrow no matter what. But when these scammers steal from one from the community, they steal from us all.
The only weapon we have against this is escrow. It's not perfect but at least it's something.
I feel for you guys. Especially for the first timers. I mean, you go through all the trouble to learn PGP, Tor, bitcoins, and such in the end to only get robbed. That's BS. What we need is a 50%/50% system to limit risk and end the 100% FE capability. What I mean is: 50% FE/50% Escrow. And it can only be for orders of a certain size threshold and for new buyers (at the election of the seller) . Everyone else does 100% Escrow. Losing 50% is better than losing 100%. And it might make a scammer think twice about bothering to scam if the most he can get is 50%. Only the most hardened scammers will calculate 50% as worth it.
Werd. It would be a shame if this community killed it's self. I think all vendors should require priority mail with DCN, like some are doing now with new buyers. It becomes way harder for either side to scam anybody that way. I don't mind paying extra if it means a bit of insurance. Also not FEing would help, though I've already done that. I dunno, it's all a risk because the government thinks what we do should be punishable by many years in a cage, so this is what we have. When I read about some of you losing hundreds of dollars it makes me sad for you. I hope nobody is on here with their rent and grocery money.
It looks like I got fucked out of $55 earlier, but that was my fault. I know and trust in the universe's ability to maintain karmic balance. I know for a fact that that person who took my money will incur a lose for the same amount, thereby making their net zero. Thieves do not prosper. Even the one's who appear to are only building up a worse payback. Look at Bernie Madoff, some would say he was a prosperous thief. But, now, fffffffuuuuuuuuu doesn't even begin to describe it. Here is a man of enormous privilege who is now confined to a jail cell. And it's not like he can just tell himself, oh well I had it coming and now I feel better, not by a long shot. That old man, who has probably not slept well for many years has to lay in that cell and know that his children and grandchildren now have nothing, but the legacy of a thief. Sounds like hell to me.
When you get ripped off around here, assume they needed it worse than you did. What else can you do?
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I feel for you guys. Especially for the first timers. I mean, you go through all the trouble to learn PGP, Tor, bitcoins, and such in the end to only get robbed. That's BS. What we need is a 50%/50% system to limit risk and end the 100% FE capability. What I mean is: 50% FE/50% Escrow. And it can only be for orders of a certain size threshold and for new buyers (at the election of the seller) . Everyone else does 100% Escrow. Losing 50% is better than losing 100%. And it might make a scammer think twice about bothering to scam if the most he can get is 50%. Only the most hardened scammers will calculate 50% as worth it.
THIS. That's exactly how I felt when I realized I got screwed over by toyotaman on my first order. Obviously using SR is supposed to be a little complicated, for good reason, but it took a fair amount of time and attention to get everything set up and ready to go I even checked out all his feedback and checked him out on the forums. TWO days after I placed the order, this thread popped up. I was like, fuck, I went through all that for this?
All you can do is believe in karma sometimes!
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Any new buyers scammed by Toyotaman should just hang in there. I am 24/25 on all of my order. This was the first guy who scammed me into finalizing early (for a whopping $35, I might add.)
I will say this: I will never FE for any vendor ever again. No matter what their history, with SR or me.
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a LOT of good points being made in this thread to SR admins.
a 50/50 for new buyers is perfect. Make scammers think twice if its only for 1/2 as much.
Also, set a limit to finalizing so the earliest you can finalize is three days after your order is shipped.
Also, Make sellers offer 2-3 day priority option and require DCN's within 24hours of shipments. If you cant do that, you should lose your seller privilege.
Personally, I always offer to pay 1-2 btc extra for 2-3 day priority shipping. Its a win win. I get my shit in a couple days and the seller gets paid faster and I"M paying for it. WIN/WIN/WIN
Hey SILK ROAD ADMIN's
Pay ATTENTION to what your clients are saying here.
Bottomline is that buyers need more protection than we have now or you guys are right, the site/idea/culture will die off because of the lost $$ by new buyers
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Hey SILK ROAD ADMIN's
Pay ATTENTION to what your clients are saying here.
Bottomline is that buyers need more protection than we have now or you guys are right, the site/idea/culture will die off because of the lost $$ by new buyers
I really have to disagree, Schrady. As buyers, we have Escrow. What other safeguard could you possibly want? If you don't receive your product, you get your money back! Stay in escrow!
Secondly, there will never be a lack of buyers on Silk Road. For everyone 1 person that complains, there are at least dozens of successful transactions.
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Well, I've placed orders with two other sellers with good rep and good reviews, so I'm hoping that this first order fiasco with toyotaman will not be a lasting impression of SR. So far both anchientlib and thedman62 have been quick communicators and quick shippers.
I decided I would not finalize early this time around even though I was a newbie. There are sellers who understand the purpose of the escrow system is not there to fuck them over, but to protect both sides.
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I ordered a DHC from him for 1 bitcoin, and then he offered to add 5 extra if I finalized early. Was 3 weeks ago and he has not responded to messages since I finalized and seems to not have a vendor page anymore.
I was content with finalizing early because he had good reviews.
Seems like I was scammed by him.
I had done 3 successful orders with other vendors before this, 1 that I finalized early for. I will never be finalizing early again after being scammed by Toyotaman
After reading the thread, I guess I am very lucky I only got taken for the 1 bitcoin