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Title: esgal is a scam
Post by: slappy11 on May 10, 2012, 06:34 pm
I was asked to finalize early and never got product.Now he won't even answer me
Title: Re: esgal is a scam
Post by: armenia on May 10, 2012, 06:52 pm
aka USDirectForYou
Title: Re: esgal is a scam
Post by: CleanUpMyMess on May 10, 2012, 06:56 pm
What did you order?

He's indeed a scammer. I don't get why he would just destroy the thing he had going here... asshole
Title: Re: esgal is a scam
Post by: oshiii on May 10, 2012, 07:51 pm
Ugh, I ordered some cola, k, and adderall. He's been offline for one day it says on his profile and he's had a lot of FE's going back about 7 or 8 days without updates on them. He told me he shipped the package saturday afternoon, it's now thursday and let me tell you, his package would have been here in a max of three days if he sent it.

I think I got scammed again...Maybe I'll learn this time? At least my fuckin refund rate isn't a problem anymore because of the FE's for Tony and now this guy. Wow, $700 I've been scammed out of now.. I'm not even hoping esgal comes back, I got scammed and that's it.
Title: Re: esgal is a scam
Post by: Delta11 on May 10, 2012, 07:57 pm
We told you guys not to finalize early  :(
Title: Re: esgal is a scam
Post by: oshiii on May 10, 2012, 08:00 pm
I've heard you loud and clear but never actually listened. I put trust where it shouldn't be placed.

I am not even bitter when I say this: Fuck scammers and I'll never finalize early again for you bitches!  8)
Title: Re: esgal is a scam
Post by: Delta11 on May 10, 2012, 08:09 pm
I've heard you loud and clear but never actually listened. I put trust where it shouldn't be placed.

I am not even bitter when I say this: Fuck scammers and I'll never finalize early again for you bitches!  8)
Well at least you're not dying over it like some people, I got scammed too and it sucks but hey, at least we learned never to FE again  ;).
Title: Re: esgal is a scam
Post by: Bamann on May 10, 2012, 08:37 pm
Hmm...I've got an order with him in escrow as it is.  ???  Guess we'll see how that plays out.   :-\
Title: Re: esgal is a scam
Post by: MightyMagics on May 10, 2012, 09:22 pm
 I have an order and I am still waiting.  Says it was mailed a week ago.  I did not finalize early though.  ???
Title: Re: esgal is a scam
Post by: esgal on May 11, 2012, 12:45 am
Guys, will you listen to yourselves, "Now he won't even answer me" I do have a life outside of SR and a full time job, and even on top of that I try to log on every SECOND that I have free time so that I can respond as fast as possible to all of you, wondering where your order is after its been shipped 2 days ago (literately had a buyer message me trying to call me out because his C hadnt arrived yet, even though he ordered it monday, it was is USPS's hands tuesday morning at 5am, but not in his hands at 5am thursday morning....so obviously I must have scammed him...I do fully understand that the only 2 vendors I have publicly worked with for any period of time have been super-vendors that very recently went rouge, and that is very sketchy, but please realize, Tony I havent talked to in months and just helped him set up his account, and USD I only made ONE bulk order off of, and he started ignoring my messages WEEKS ago, but not before he tried scamming me out of $5,000...if this was a month ago nobody would be saying anything at all, but now eveybody is jumpy because of recent events...People are also saying that I'm a scammer because I require FE for some people? is that a sick joke meant to ruin my reputation? I have requirements to be able to stay in escrow, that are meant to protect ME from scammers, because lets be honest, yes there have been a lot of large vendors gone rouge recently, but the number of rouge vendors are no where even relatively close to the number of rouge buyers that are only out there to get free product, guess what happens if I go rouge, to open up a new vendors account will cost me $150, to gain my reputation back (which I'm already losing because of some stupid hype that I'm scamming with absolutely no proof behind it) would take months, if even possible, and guess what it takes for a rouge buyer to restart scamming from an entirely new name? a slight imagination to come up with a new username...and then if any vendor requires that he FE the rouge buyer can come to the forums and flame that vendor saying that their obviously scamming because they want to be paid for their drugs before they hand them over to the buyer


Sorry if I missed some points that I might've meant to cover, theres a good chance that I talked about them in one of the other threads flaming me for no reason besides having USD and Tony's names on 2 of my products, and if not, then I will be back to respond more later
Title: Re: esgal is a scam
Post by: Losty_V2.0 on May 11, 2012, 01:23 am

ESGAL has no more excuses to make people FE.

HE/SHE has about 10+ transactions this week that have been FE.  If thats not enough money for you to start sending people there shit ESGAL its gonna get ugly.

People just want you to tell them where there orders are..
Title: Re: esgal is a scam
Post by: esgal on May 11, 2012, 01:44 am

ESGAL has no more excuses to make people FE.

HE/SHE has about 10+ transactions this week that have been FE.  If thats not enough money for you to start sending people there shit ESGAL its gonna get ugly.

People just want you to tell them where there orders are..

Im not sure you understand how finalizing early works, its not like a group buy where everybody finalizes early for a week straight until the vendor has enough money to actually buy the product, with me I already have it, I just dont trust new buyers, for good reasons, pretty much everybody that finalizes has had their order sent out that same night, and if not then the day after because they finalized to late...do you have any idea how easy it is for buyers to either hold honest vendors hostage for a refund or reship, or how easy it is for buyers to say they didnt get their order, after they see theres no DCN on the package...ect.

as for saying that myself (and ANY vendor) has no "excuses" to have new and unproven buyers finalize early, dude are you serious? vendors have every reason to protect themselves as buyers do, and for the most part vendors are honest, because we have a reputation that we NEED to protect, that will cost a lot of money, and a lot of time to replace if ever lost, where buyers just log out and register a new account to start over
Title: Re: esgal is a scam
Post by: esgal on May 11, 2012, 01:55 am
aka USDirectForYou

Seriously? the very first messages between me and him date back a month....thats right, a full month, and guess what? the last message from him was even a couple weeks ago too...and I've made ONE bulk order from him, thats correct 1...and he tried to scam me before he went rouge, I am even in an entirely different part of the country, the only "relationship" between USD and I is that when I bought a bulk order from him, he let me sell orders under 7g on here in place of him...thats IT
Title: Re: esgal is a scam
Post by: oshiii on May 11, 2012, 01:59 am

ESGAL has no more excuses to make people FE.

HE/SHE has about 10+ transactions this week that have been FE.  If thats not enough money for you to start sending people there shit ESGAL its gonna get ugly.

People just want you to tell them where there orders are..

Im not sure you understand how finalizing early works, its not like a group buy where everybody finalizes early for a week straight until the vendor has enough money to actually buy the product, with me I already have it, I just dont trust new buyers, for good reasons, pretty much everybody that finalizes has had their order sent out that same night, and if not then the day after because they finalized to late...do you have any idea how easy it is for buyers to either hold honest vendors hostage for a refund or reship, or how easy it is for buyers to say they didnt get their order, after they see theres no DCN on the package...ect.

as for saying that myself (and ANY vendor) has no "excuses" to have new and unproven buyers finalize early, dude are you serious? vendors have every reason to protect themselves as buyers do, and for the most part vendors are honest, because we have a reputation that we NEED to protect, that will cost a lot of money, and a lot of time to replace if ever lost, where buyers just log out and register a new account to start over

We will see tomorrow esgal. I don't trust anyone anymore though. And this looks shady. Just felt the need to say something. I noticed Tony looked sketchy right around 4/20 and I REFRAINED FROM POSTING MY FEARS BECAUSE OF VENDORS LIKE YOU! You reassure the population the package is coming but your feedback is FE 8 days back! And I know for a fact that if you are located in the northeast, then I should have had that shit already, you supposedly sent it saturday. First class mail ain't that slow bro  ::)

Like I said, we'll see. No hopes from me anymore, I've gotten beat way too many times by people that like to talk persuasively, both in real life and online. And people like that usually maintain their illusive image as long as they can ;)
Title: Re: esgal is a scam
Post by: oshiii on May 11, 2012, 02:03 am
Esgal I will eat my words and apologized if I receive the goods but the situation looks sketch.

I have nothing more to say until tomorrow or saturday, i'll be waiting.
Title: Re: esgal is a scam
Post by: punkhippy on May 11, 2012, 02:20 am
esgal I can see the point from both sides.  I am new hear with only 6 transactions so far but I have used coke for 20 years. I just would not try to buy coke and expect it to be of any quality at 30 bucks a half gram so I don't trust it to be any good at that price. Now if a coke lover bought a half g and paid 30 bucks for it and then they got it and decided it's not good enough to pay for it then Dammit! You see what I'm saying? This guy liberpater from Brazil has big claims and I can't wait to see someones lab report.

This FE issue is against SR policy and it's one reason that I am trying to build up my transactions to gain trust as a buyer. There are some legit buyers but there are also some scammers of course and I can see your point of not wanting to be victimized. Maybe you can require new people to buy only .1 amounts but even at that if it's advertised as good coke then it needs to be so
Title: Re: esgal is a scam
Post by: TheChemie on May 11, 2012, 02:35 am
I'm in the same boat with an order that has taken longer than I expected, but I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt for now.  Priority mail can take up to 6 days, and I've had vendors tell me that the product shipped days in advance of when it actually did.  Not a good policy, but it happens.  I'm just trying to be patient, and hope that it will be here soon.  And anyone that is implying that Esgal and USD are the same person, your an idiot.  I've dealt with them both, and I can assure that they aren't.  Keep your head up girl, and do what you have to do, but whatever that is just do what you say you're going to do.
Title: Re: esgal is a scam
Post by: esgal on May 11, 2012, 02:39 am
@punkhippy

The smallest order I carry is .5g because of how cheap it is, I dont want to be sending .1g orders, its just way to small and would waste my time as well as slow down shipping and response times for everybody, and if I was a buyer I wouldn't want my purchase limited to such an insanely small quantity.

FEing is completely following SR rules btw

Also this C has been tested by many C lovers, as it is USD's original unadulterated C, it may not be fishscale, but it is definitely not by any means shitty or terrible quality, and just about everyone who has ever ordered from either myself or USD will say the same thing.

Title: Re: esgal is a scam
Post by: punkhippy on May 11, 2012, 03:00 am
esgal it says a lot against the rumor that you are scamming seeing as how you are here replying and standing up for yourself. Most people who are scamming just usually pull off a scam and never come back or say anything so I give you the benefit of the doubt. I don't believe you are being dishonest or trying to cheat anybody.

I've bought a lot of coke in my day and I'd rather pay the going rate ($100/gram) because I am interested in top quality. It's just me but I feel more comfortable in that aspect. Like I said, I'm new here but I have bought a lot of coke and anytime I have paid less then $100 a g, I've gotten coke that was below my expectations. Not to say yours is bad, I mean, I've never bought from you so I can't judge it, but I feel better about it because That's what I want--top quality
Title: Re: esgal is a scam
Post by: CleanUpMyMess on May 11, 2012, 08:31 am
If you turn out to be legit things will get a little awkward but I would be happy to withdraw anything bad I've said about you.

There are however 2 people with rather long waiting periods for their mail. One of which is 15 days! This could be coincidence, as mail sometimes gets lost or seized, but still, I am not totally convinced.

Title: Re: esgal is a scam
Post by: MightyMagics on May 11, 2012, 03:56 pm
I have to think that this is indeed a scam because  NOT ONE ORDER HAS GONE THROUGH.  ON the review page for esgal  it is a dozen  FE and not ONE positive review.  I am in escrow so I have nothing to worry about. But  I am in the NE and mine was in transit last THURSDAY!?!??!?! Well Considering esgal was the ONLY package not to make it to me out of the three I ordered seems very odd.  Proceed with caution and DO NOT FE.
Title: Re: esgal is a scam
Post by: maynardJK032 on May 11, 2012, 04:13 pm
still nothing here
domestic doesnt take this long if it was sent out when it was supposed to be.
if not here tomorrow then I'll count it as a lose and wait for my coins to be refunded which will take what????? about another 10 days???
with SR getting their cut of the escrow....


really looks like US domestic has gone to shit IMO
Title: Re: esgal is a scam
Post by: Kappacino on May 11, 2012, 04:24 pm
There's nothing wrong with asking NEW buyers to FE.

That's just a protection against scammers. If you let new buyers stay in escrow I guarantee product is going to go "missing" all the fucking time.

But if you're asking established buyers with no refunds to FE.. then that's kinda shady. You can say "cash flow" issues or whatever but to be honest if you're in the dealing game and you can't afford to wait 4 days for your cash then you should probably get the fuck out, because 99% of people can.

Title: Re: esgal is a scam
Post by: jamesbarnes on May 11, 2012, 04:41 pm
I'm super glad I came across this post.  I'm new and haven't made my first purchase yet, but I did PM esgal for information because the prices seemed very good and I wanted to make sure I ordered correctly (hate to look like the stupid new kid...).  They were very nice and helpful, making me feel comfortable with ordering even though I didn't really see any feedback for actual orders.  Now I'm not so sure.
I'm OK with having to FE until my reputation is established but I, in no way, want to get scammed out of my money.  If I wanted to do that, I'd head downtown to a corner and just stick my wallet out.
Title: Re: esgal is a scam
Post by: esgal on May 11, 2012, 04:46 pm
I just want to put this up on the forums for people to know about, I recently got this feedback

"5 of 5   F- ripped me off. It's been 15 days. NEVER FINALIZE EARLY. DAMNIT   11 hours   item"

just saying...15 days ago I wasnt even taking orders, so I'll just leave that there for you guys to think about....I have to be back to work now, and dont have time to read or respond to anybody on the forums right now (I will be back later tonight to do so though) but I have responded to everybody that messaged me on SR
Title: Re: esgal is a scam
Post by: dankology on May 11, 2012, 05:00 pm
Lol @ these little overly paranoid, extremely disrespectful, petty cunts.  You guys should just stop using Silk Road, seriously.  Thanks Esgal for your the time you've put in to deal with this enormous ignorance and fearmongering.
Title: Re: esgal is a scam
Post by: esgal on May 12, 2012, 02:31 am
You'll have to excuse me, as this is a copy paste from a message to another buyer, and its to long to type out a custom response for everybody, and I feel everybody who has ordered needs to know it.

*Please excuse any duplicate messages I may have sent, I am trying to get this message out to everybody in a timely fashion, so it is bound to happen*


Here comes the unfortunate part that I REALLY wish wasnt true, and it very well still may not be true...and I almost dont want to say it because if it is true, then its VERY bad for me, and possibly as well as buyers, and if its not, then people will most likely panic over nothing, and I'd completely destroy my reputation, but I feel like it is something people need to know is a possibility...Im getting worried that the delay in orders has something to do with LE, I dont know how, but every single order really was shipped out when I said it was, and I have been completely working my ass off to do it and hold a full time job at the same time.

I will be de-listing my products immediately and taking a break, but will still be as active as possible to answer all questions.

I am extremely sorry to everybody for this inconvenience, I know that sending this message to everybody will very likely cause my reputation to go completely down the drain, and I more then understand why, I know it most likely wont mean much to anybody, I know almost nobody will believe me, and I guess it doesnt really matter, but I really dont like seeing people talking untrue bad things about me, EVERYBODYs orders were sent out when I said they were, like I said I've been working my ass off to do it as efficiently as I have, and to hold a full time job (Taking a lot of my adderall has helped out a ton with it :P)

I know that I am going to get flamed into oblivion and forever dubbed a scammer and a liar, and I understand, but for what its worth, it really isnt true.

*****FINAL NOTE*****
Although I am sending this note out to everybody, I wouldn't be at all surprised if people started getting their orders, maybe they only caught orders that went out earlier on, I really have no idea what's been going on with them though, so it could be anything....I myself am already prepping my house to be raided, and wouldnt be surprised if I was, and I would also suggest that anybody who has bought from me be careful with any packages that they do receive

I really hope I hear back from you about this, and PLEASE urge everybody who safely receives their order to please update me ASAP

                -Esgal :(
Title: Re: esgal is a scam
Post by: caffeine_me on May 12, 2012, 07:10 am
I will remove if I am wrong, but this does not look and sound good for esgal.  Stop FE!!!!!  If it looks like a duck, smells like a duck, tastes like a duck.....it probably is a chicken.  We can at least all agree that no one is really receiving packages, particularly domestic that usually go through 99.99% of the time when they are actually sent. Less words and more packages esgal, period. 
Title: Re: esgal is a scam
Post by: CleanUpMyMess on May 12, 2012, 09:05 am
What I don't understand is how LE would hold all the packages? Do you send ALL of the packages from the same address? I know almost nothing about how these things work, so maybe someone else could provide an explanation how LE could do this?

Esgal, you did clean your computer of any addresses or other info from buyers, right? (assuming esgal is telling us the truth, that is).
Title: Re: esgal is a scam
Post by: armenia on May 12, 2012, 10:48 am
And anyone that is implying that Esgal and USD are the same person, your an idiot.

Yet they both suddenly start scamming FE buyers with a convenient Hack/LE excuse lined up in the same week. What a coincidence.

Title: Re: esgal is a scam
Post by: armenia on May 12, 2012, 11:33 am
Has anyone looked at the feedback btw?

In between people saying they've been scammed you've got two pages of people saying they've FE in the last day. hmm I don't believe that.




Title: Re: esgal is a scam
Post by: RLauren on May 12, 2012, 12:08 pm
Yet they both suddenly start scamming FE buyers with a convenient Hack/LE excuse lined up in the same week. What a coincidence...

this ^

C'mon people if you believe the crap about LE intercepting EVERY single package Esgal sent you'll believe anything, at least a few would of still made it even if LE did clock on..

Esgal and USD are obviously the same person, either that or they both planned the scam and BS cover up stories together to make a quick profit, while trying to minimize the damage to their reputation..

Lol if you believe this joker you derserve to be scammed, a lesson learned for everyone here though including myself.. Never FE - period.
Title: Re: esgal is a scam
Post by: maynardJK032 on May 12, 2012, 02:41 pm
I got refunded due to escrow
seen this coming
all FEs got scammed
Title: Re: esgal is a scam
Post by: Dreamer101 on May 12, 2012, 03:00 pm
If esgal was legit, she just ruined her reputation by "selling" usd's coke. There is obviously a happy connection there. I got ripped off $420 dollars from USD, but thankfully I did find out who he is and where he lives!!!!!! YAAAAAAAA!  I can't wait to go on vacation to his state(which I've never been too!), and spending some quality time making things right. USD messed with the wrong Russian Hombre here. I hope it was worth it USD, BECAUSE YOU'LL BE PAYING ME BACK IN MORE THAN JUST CASH OR PRODUCT. Thank you to the folks here on SR who's combined efforts led me to him. I'm going to create a sellers ID soon and will contact you for a free eighth of high quality medical marijuana...  Enjoy! ;D
Title: Re: esgal is a scam
Post by: Studio54 on May 12, 2012, 03:14 pm
unfucking believable !!!! and to think, that we had done some good business together, and still wanted me to FE on my last order request i explained that i wouldnt FE, being that i had just been recently burned bad by USDirect.. egal said "i understand your hesitation" but you will need to FE to order..

so i said, no more FE for me.. fuck it, im no longer new and i have excellent purchase stats to prove that im reputable.. so i took my business to a vendor that didnt require FE... and now i read this shit about esgal?? WHAT THE FUCK !!! damn, seems like those vendors, people felt "uneasy" about, turned out to be true..

Thanks SR community for keeping everyone in the loop as to the details and feedback on vendors..
Title: Re: esgal is a scam
Post by: MightyMagics on May 12, 2012, 03:59 pm
Lol @ these little overly paranoid, extremely disrespectful, petty cunts.  You guys should just stop using Silk Road, seriously.  Thanks Esgal for your the time you've put in to deal with this enormous ignorance and fearmongering.

Don't you look silly  ::)


I don't come on the the  forum  flaming away like some over anxious paranoid person nor do I think many people in this thread did.   I mean anybody with half a brain could sense something fishy was going on. I only said something to warn the uninformed to proceed with caution and don't FE. There were like 50 FE and literally like 1 OR 2 positive reviews that had the packages getting received.  ???That alone should raise caution flags plus esgal was a known associate of US Direct should make a person wary in that regard.   I find it hard to believe LE took every package :o   I just had my order canceled even though it was sent last week.   So if it arrives I will be the first to update but I am not holding my breath.
Title: Re: esgal is a scam
Post by: maynardJK032 on May 12, 2012, 04:07 pm
he sent that mass PM after I replied to his concerns through PM that LE may have intercepted all letters.
I found it highly unlikely LE intercepted ALL letters...
then hours later the mass PM was sent
LOLZZZZ

looks like domestic US C business is there for the taking
Dank ya better stock up:)
Title: Re: esgal is a scam
Post by: CleanUpMyMess on May 12, 2012, 07:27 pm
he sent that mass PM after I replied to his concerns through PM that LE may have intercepted all letters.
I found it highly unlikely LE intercepted ALL letters...
then hours later the mass PM was sent
LOLZZZZ

looks like domestic US C business is there for the taking
Dank ya better stock up:)
Oh, well that changes the whole situation. I guess I was right about accusing him of being a scammer then.

Lesson learned!
Title: Re: esgal is a scam
Post by: esgal on May 12, 2012, 08:10 pm
@maynardJK032
you think your the first person I talked to about the possibility of LE stopping my packages? thats a laugh.


I'm also not saying LE stopped ALL packages, the majority of them wouldnt even be there yet...

And I wont say how, but I know for a fact that some of the packages have been returned to the shipping addresses I've used (previous packages, not even from these) and the cops have been called atleast 4 times, for orders of adderall, LSD, AND coke, which may have caused the local post offices to beef up security a bit

with how I ship orders out, It  IS possible for LE to find the pattern and stop all of them...highly unlikely, but it is possible.

All of the orders that should have been there by now had the same return address on them.


@ the Russian guy
Just throwing it out there, but you prbly just bought a package from him and now have the return name and address, am I right? *rolls eyes*


@Studio
If you actually did have "Excellent" buyers stats as you said, then you wouldnt have to FE, but your buyers stats were shit
Title: Re: esgal is a scam
Post by: slappy11 on May 13, 2012, 12:23 am
well just what do u plan on doing about all this,just say fuck us or what is going on here
Title: Re: esgal is a scam
Post by: dankology on May 14, 2012, 03:26 am
I sincerely apologize to everyone, I was probably under the influence and he just sounded more convincing than you guys.  Shit happens.  Im working on stocking up and should definitely have some C by the end of this coming week.  Anybody who has had it will personally tell you its some of the best, if not THE best cocaine on Silk Road. 
Title: Re: esgal is a scam
Post by: solus223 on May 17, 2012, 03:23 pm
I really wanted to give esgal the benefit of the doubt.  I just don't see how LE could come down on ALL of these packages, especially if they were shipped at different locations.  Looking at the feedback, there is a SHIT-TON of FE'd packages that never showed.  My guess is that it was sold before the seller had the stock, and then the deal fell through, leaving orders that couldn't be filled.  IDK.  I would just like my refund and move on.  If I can get my refund in a timely manner, I'll leave my feedback at 5 and just chalk it up for one of those deals.  None of it really makes sense though.
Title: Re: esgal is a scam
Post by: Studio54 on May 17, 2012, 03:41 pm
@Studio
If you actually did have "Excellent" buyers stats as you said, then you wouldnt have to FE, but your buyers stats were shit

 yeah, ok whatever.. and considering that i've done business with you before.. and your talking my buyer stats where shit?? look at your seller rank....
Title: Re: esgal is a scam
Post by: maynardJK032 on May 26, 2012, 05:33 am
@maynardJK032
you think your the first person I talked to about the possibility of LE stopping my packages? thats a laugh.


I'm also not saying LE stopped ALL packages, the majority of them wouldnt even be there yet...

And I wont say how, but I know for a fact that some of the packages have been returned to the shipping addresses I've used (previous packages, not even from these) and the cops have been called atleast 4 times, for orders of adderall, LSD, AND coke, which may have caused the local post offices to beef up security a bit

with how I ship orders out, It  IS possible for LE to find the pattern and stop all of them...highly unlikely, but it is possible.

All of the orders that should have been there by now had the same return address on them.


@ the Russian guy
Just throwing it out there, but you prbly just bought a package from him and now have the return name and address, am I right? *rolls eyes*


@Studio
If you actually did have "Excellent" buyers stats as you said, then you wouldnt have to FE, but your buyers stats were shit

SOOOO, how many of the buyers the FE got refunds?