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Discussion => Off topic => Topic started by: dkmonk on April 20, 2012, 02:48 pm
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I liked this write up. Just ignore adding water.
The Process:
After reading around about the lithium reduction and stumbling across the shake and bake method, I came up with this safe compromise. Safety is paramount, that is number one. I am well aware of the dangers of the RedPhos/HI method, a lot of cooking/filtering/condensing typically took me around 48 hours to do a batch from start to finish. With the availability of lithium, I was able to drop that to 2 hours, start to finish! Granted, this batch is MUCH smaller than what I used to make a long time ago.
Supplies:
3 24oz pop bottles
3 pint size mason jars
1 small container LYE crystals from hardware store
2 instant cold packs
2 Energizer Ultimate Lithium AA Batteries
2500 mg of Ephedrine HCL pills (or pseudo)
1 Container Coleman Fuel
24" Aquarium Hose
Aluminum Foil
Several ziplock baggies
Muriatic Acid
Epsom Salts
Acetone
ViseGrip plyers
Needle Nose Plyers
Coffee Grinder
Coffee Filters
Funnel
Latex Rubber Gloves
Procedure:
First off, for your pills, try and get single component pills, i.e. pseudoephedrine HCL as the only active ingredient. Or, get a bunch of EPH (Ephedrine Hydrochloride) pills online, they are everywhere, I recommend getting them outside of the USA, check out Kaizen Ephedrine HCL pills, they are pretty inexpensive, and there are a ton of companies off the beaten path which will ship to the USA. I am absolutely sure that this reaction will work for domestic pseudo, but try and make sure it doesn't contain Guaifenesin.
Clean out both bottles and all three jars and dry them completely, there must be no water at all in one bottle in particular, this “dry” bottle will be the reaction vessel. If the others have a very small amount of water this is fine. I recommend using a hair dryer to fully dry all bottles and jars. In the coffee grinder place the ammonium nitrate balls from both cold packs. Grind them up, and place powder in ziplock. Grind up the ephedrine pills and put the powder into a ziplock. If your lye is not the consistency of sand, put it in the grinder and grind it into powder and put that into a ziplock. I used 100% lye crystals from the hardware store and didn't have to grind it since it was just like fine sand. Clean your work area. This reaction releases a lot of ammonia gas, so I recommend doing it in a well ventilated area. I recommend setting up a fan in the room.
Prep the acetone bottle:
Put 1 cup of Epsom salts into the oven and bake at 415 deg F for one hour on a baking sheet. Place Epsom salts into one of the 24 ounce bottles. Add two cups of acetone to the same bottle, and tighten the cap as much as possible, then shake vigorously. Let the bottle sit for 30 minutes, shaking every 5 minutes. You now have created dry acetone. Now you must filter out the salts, to do this, you simply use 3 coffee filters and filter out the acetone into a mason jar. This is easy since you simply push down slightly on the filters covering the top of a jar and create a slight cone, then you filter the acetone. This must be done quickly to keep the dry acetone from absorbing humidity from the air and from evaporating. Give the bottle a quick wash with a little Coleman Fuel removing all Epsom Salts, now quickly put the acetone back into the 24oz bottle.
Another option is to use a wash bottle, or make a homemade one. I have a wide mouth wash bottle which I used for this. It looks like one of these:
If you want to, you can make one by taking a 12" piece of Aquarium Tubing and drilling a hole into a 24oz bottle and sticking the tube all the way into the bottle. This way, when you squeeze the bottle, the acetone will flow out the end of the tube. This is almost identical to the hydrochloride gas bottle, except that the tubing goes to the bottom of the bottle instead of stopping 2" in.
Put on Latex Rubber Gloves
Prep the lithium strips:
1) Go to Youtube and look up the video on "Get lithium from energizer battery"
2) Be very careful not to short out the batteries. If you bend the side metal down on top of the anode, you can literally lock in a short and blow the battery. If you occasionally see some tiny sparks, don't worry about it, you only completely ruin the battery if you accidentally bend some of the casing metal so that it is touching the anode in the center of the top of the battery, thus, shorting it out fast. Watch the video. Except for getting off the anode cap, follow the directions in the video. The video says these batteries are built like fortresses and they are. In the first step of the video the guy took needle nose pliers and fidgeted around with the anode cap for a few minutes and got it to come off, after the plastic wrapper, this is the first thing you remove. It’s a major pain in the ass, but, it’s easy with visegrips (I tried for 10 minutes with the needle nose, no luck at all). Lock the grips entirely so there is no gap, then clamp down on the anode and rip it off. If you just use the pliers like in the video, it’ll take you forever. Once the cap is off, use the needle nose pliers to tear down the metallic sides, and then pull out the washer, gas valve, and finally the battery core and place both cores into an airtight ziplock.
Prep Hydrochloride Gas Bottle:
1) Take one of the bottles and drill a hole in the lid which is slightly smaller than the aquarium tube.
2) Pull the Aquarium Tubing into the hole about 2 inches. Make sure it is snug. The idea here is that we are going to make Hydrochloride Gas in the bottle, it’ll travel along the tubing and we bubble the reaction with the gas to produce the meth hydrochloride salt. This gas is toxic so we want to make sure that the tube is snug in the bottle.
Whatever you do, do not add water to this. I don’t care what you’ve read, don’t do it. There is no need:
NH4NO3 + NaOH ---> NH3 + NaNO3 + H20
This reaction releases a bit of water into the reaction chamber. Now, maybe someone can tell me this, I thought that with the lithium/anhydrous ammonia reduction, that electrons were removed by water in the reaction chamber, if this is true, than why does the reaction work so well, given that the ammonia gas reaction is providing water in the reaction chamber? Any answers are appreciated…
Begin reaction (use funnel to put chems into bottle):
1) Put 4 tablespoons of Ammonium Nitrate powder into dry bottle.
2) Put 4 tablespoons of Lye crystals into dry bottle.
3) Let sit for one minute, then with your hand, waft the top of the bottle and see if you smell ammonia gas. This test will ensure you have the right chems in the bottle. Some cold packs do not use ammonium nitrate. This also builds up ammonia atmosphere in bottle for safety.
4) Add 12 fl oz. of Coleman Fuel
5) Do this part as quickly as possible since lithium metal will heat up a little bit, especially if the room is humid. Open baggie with battery cores, and take them out. Unroll each one and remove the lithium metal strip and set it down on a dry surface. Quickly, pick up each strip and tear it into small strips placing the strips into the reaction vessel. Do not touch the strips to other metal.
6) Pour in baggie full of crushed pills and put on cap.
Hold the container, and wait a few seconds and slightly loosen the cap so that ammonia gas can escape. Now the reaction container should have the strips floating on top and you should see bubbles coming up from the bottom, this is ammonia gas. To minimize the gas release, keep the lid tight until you feel the bottle tighten, then vent the gas slowly. Do this over and over again for 60 minutes. At 60 minutes, you will see small copper colored BBS floating on the top of the mixture, this is a good sign the reaction is complete.
Loosen the seal on the bottle slightly to let excess gas escape and sit it on the ground.
Take 3 coffee filters and place them over the opening to one of the pint jars. Push down with your finger to make a cone shape in the jar with the filters over the top. Pick up the reaction bottle and uncap it. Slowly pour the liquid into the filters making sure to decant it so that none of the hard materials inside the bottle make it into the filters. Some will, but this is not a problem.
Once the filtering is complete let the pint jar with the clear liquid sit for 2 minutes. Check the bottom of the jar and look for any white or off white particles. If you see some, decant the fluid into the second jar leaving behind all particles in the first jar. Check the second jar after 2 minutes to make sure you got out all the solids. If not, clean the first jar and decant again, the goal is to have a jar with just clear liquid in it.
Hydrochloride Gas to create meth crystals:
Now for the hydrochloride gas. The most important thing here is to not add too much acid or foil. The second most important thing is that when the gas stops flowing out of the bottle, the heat from the reaction dissipates and creates a vacuum inside the bottle, this is a little risky since the vacuum created can very easily draw fluid from the reaction backwards through the tubing and into the gas bottle. If this happens, immediately dump the contents of the gas bottle, wash with water, dry and start over.
Safety Note: Keep a small bottle of water handy, such as a 24 fl oz bottle. If the reaction goes out of control and you think it'll melt the plastic bottle, simply dump in the bottle of water and everything will stop. It's a quick and dirty solution to a runaway reaction.
Open the gas bottle with the tube in it, and put in about 5-7 drops (NO MORE!!!) of muriatic acid. Then, using the aluminum foil, tear off a small piece and roll it into a ball ½” inch in diameter and place it into the bottle, tightening the lid right after you put it in. Now, sit the bottle down on the table and put the end of the tubing just under the surface of the liquid. After about 30 seconds, the acid will start reacting with the aluminum and start pumping hydrochloride gas into the mason jar. You will literally see what looks like snow appear in the jar. This is raw meth. Keep bubbling gas until the aluminum ball is completely dissolved, or the gas stops. You can squeeze the bottle to push out more gas into the mixture, but be sure not to suck up any of the reaction, so after squeezing, pull the hose up out of the mixture when you loosen your grip on the bottle. After the aluminum ball is dissolved, there should be a significant amount of meth floating in the jar as well as hydrochloride gas sitting above the solvent line. If the gassing process didn't last at least 2-3 minutes, you can add another aluminum ball and a couple drops of acid to continue gassing. You can now manually blow away the “smoke” or hydrochloride gas which is sitting on top of your mixture, do NOT breath in this gas, just exhale over the jar to blow away the gas. Dry HCL Gas quickly adheres to water in the air and forms “smoke”, so this is what you are seeing. Let the mixture sit perfectly still for 5 minutes.
Now most of the meth has settled on the bottom. Put 2 coffee filters in the funnel, place it in the reaction bottle, and decant the mixture back into the reaction bottle. We are going to do a second reaction. After most to all of the mixture is back in the reaction bottle, take the 2 coffee filters and place them aside since these have meth on them. Add one teaspoon of Ammonium Nitrate and one teaspoon of Lye to the reaction bottle and screw on the cap.
Doing exactly as before, loosen the cap when the bottle gets tight, and keep doing this for 30 minutes. Afterwards, you can use the same three dirty filters you used the first time and decant the liquid into the third mason jar. Loosen the cap on the reaction bottle and place the bottle on the floor.
Let the liquid sit for 2 minutes, and if you see solids at the bottom of the jar, decant the fluid into the jar which has the meth in it. NOTE: To be extra safe, if you are decanting because of solids, it is better to first decant into a clean jar, then once you are sure the fluid in the jar is perfectly clear, go ahead and put the mixture back into the meth jar. If you don’t see any solids, go ahead and pour it back into the jar with the meth in it.
Add 5-8 drops muriatic acid to the bottle with the tube. Add ½” ball of aluminum foil to the bottle, and place the other end of the tube just under the surface of the liquid. Now we are trying a second time to produce the hydrochloride salt of meth in the same mason jar which already has meth in it. After the aluminum ball is dissolved, let the meth settle on the bottom again.
After 10 minutes, decant off the liquid into one of the other mason jars. You now have a jar with about 2 grams of somewhat pure meth. You now grab the 2 coffee filters used to filter the meth mixture you set aside earlier. These filters have a lot of meth on them, so we are going to use them again. Put these filters over one of the unused or dirty mason jars sitting on the table. Again, push down with your finger to make an indentation in the filters like a small cone. Take the acetone bottle and pour in a small amount of dry acetone into the meth crystals and swirl around the mason jar mixing the meth into the acetone, and cleaning it. Quickly pour the mixture into the filter setup using the meth filters. After the fluid is gone, you have pure meth in the filters. You can add another splash of acetone to the filters to further clean your product. After all the acetone is gone from the filters, remove the filters and sit them in an open air environment to dry. You now have pure meth, pure white, around 2 grams, very high quality, sitting in the filters.
There will be a small amount of meth stuck in the filters. You can remove the dried meth from the filters and then drizzle some water through the filters collecting it on a mirror. Let it evaporate and crystals will form from the meth stuck in the filters. Or, you can use the filters to brew a pot of coffee and it will have a nice kick.
You will immediately see that this meth is a very fine perfectly white powder. Do not worry about this. If you want to have huge crystals of meth, you can do a basic recrystallization process and this will give you big crystals instead of fine powder. If you have questions on how to do this, lemme know, otherwise I'm sure there is a ton of info here on how to do that. Enjoy!
Disposal:
Let the reaction vessel sit with the cap loose overnight before disposing of it. Throw out the battery components, the reaction vessel, take apart the smoke bottle and clean it, clean everything. Make sure you put your lye under your sink, cold packs in the medicine cabinet. BE SMART, leave no evidence. Throw away your stuff all over town in different trash cans in different places. Wipe off prints off your vessel, etc. Toss the filters, BE SMART!
I did this reaction in 2 hours, my yield was amazing, I am truly impressed with the result. No lab, no real danger, this is a must for personal use. What I used to do took days, this was literally the simplest reaction I’ve ever done in chemistry. If you can operate a pressure cooker, you can do this.
I am coming down now and the comedown is very smooth. I have plenty left for later, but I figured I’d write this up since I haven’t done an anhydrous ammonia/lithium reduction before and this is my first attempt. I’m extremely impressed with the results and quality. Granted, I used EPH, so I think the result is mostly the “d” isomer of meth. Correct me if I am incorrect please. Thanks, I’m gonna try and sleep now Yeah right.
Please lemme know what you think about the synthesis, or chemistry involved, perhaps any impurities I overlooked. Like I mentioned before, I always wanted to try the “cold process”, but never had the ammonia or the lithium, or the much needed distant farmland to try it at. Ammonia is very strong, and the couple times I witnessed the reaction, we were literally in the middle of nowhere. In the evaporation procedure of the "cold process" we literally evaporated around 2000ml of liquid anhydrous ammonia, this was extremely strong smelling, and this is why we went so far away to do it. During the procedure, it was kept at a very low temperature so the smell was doable, but, when finished, we had to evaporate all the ammonia, and man did that stink!
Please ask away if you have any questions about the procedure, this is a very simple procedure and with the cost of pills being reasonable, this is definitely the way to go for personal/occasional use. For bulk I would recommend a different procedure.
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hmmmm yup yup.. hmm. I have a funny feeling lots and lots of people are going to be trying this!! :)
Seriously this is the kind of thing that makes me grateful I found this site. From what I know about chemistry this is very doable and really, and this is key, this method runs no risk of explosion aye? I mean other than if you were stupid enough to blow up your coleman fuel aye?
DB
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Explosion is possible if water gets in the reaction and hits the lithium igniting it and blowing up your colemans. Also lithium gets hot in air so keep the torn up strips off the side of the vessel and in the fuel mixture.
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This reaction releases a bit of water into the reaction chamber. Now, maybe someone can tell me this, I thought that with the lithium/anhydrous ammonia reduction, that electrons were removed by water in the reaction chamber, if this is true, than why does the reaction work so well, given that the ammonia gas reaction is providing water in the reaction chamber? Any answers are appreciated…
I think that water is insoluble in the solvent you use, but both ammonia and ephedrine dissolve easily. Ephedrine*HCl should be converted to the lipophilic freebase by the lye.
So the solvated electrons can only react with the water at the water/solvent interface. That would also explain why not all the electrons are used to reduce sodium-nitrate, which is an oxidizing agent and would normally be reduced first.
That's however just an educated guess, I've never done this reaction.
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this method is called shake n bake. its a horrible way to treat good ephedrine.. but its simple and mobile and very easy..
this method gives me horrible paranoia and delusions.. dunno if its from solvent or unreacted gear or what... but i hate the high from this.
but usually this method is done so fast that it does not get the proper post work up... such as purification and recrystallization. a good 2 solvent rextal should be posted with this.. i hate to see anyone freek out from the snipers on the roof and the shadow people that go along with SNB ..
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Yes, it is shake and bake which has a bad rap from people using recipes that aren't created with chemistry knowledge and are passed on by word of mouth from one toothless hill billy to the other. This was actually made from people who know a little something and put thought into it.
Shadow people and paranoia sounds like a normal binge on good dope though.
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This is actually sounds phenomenally safer than most other synthesis i have read, almost safe enough for me to give it a whirl, especially after i noticed there were some tasty ephedrine pills on SR.