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Discussion => Drug safety => Topic started by: daphnee on June 06, 2012, 07:00 pm
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I figure where better to ask for drug recommendations than here, right?
Here's the situation: I'm a late 30-something executive in the corporate world. Normal life, house, dog, husband, kids. All the usual bullshit. My life is good. I am not escaping reality, but I have slight anxiety problems and trouble relaxing. Like any good ol' American I'm a fat lazy slob that works too hard and wants to dumb down her brain on the weekends.
Why don't I just snag a 6-pack like everyone else, right? I've done my share of drinking alcohol, but I just can't do it anymore. Makes me feel like shit, and aggravates my allergies and constant sinus problems. Not to mention the calories and metabolic effects. I'm looking for something else.
Requirements:
* Won't put me out of commission too badly for more than, say .. 8 hours. No weekend benders for me.
* Not interested in hallucinogens.
* Bonus points for pills. I'm not mixing up any mayan herbal shaman concoctions in my kitchen and shit.
* I can't be noticeably fucked up. I have to be able to function in the real world, or at least be fucked up in ways that resemble the effects of alcohol. I gotta conform to social norms, yo.
What I've tried, what I liked, and what I didn't like:
* Alcohol: the buzz I get after 2-3 beers after not drinking for a while is about perfect for me. I relax, my brain engages. Once upon a time I'd sit in the bathtub plowing through a bottle of armagnac and reading fuckin karl marx and shit. I can drink like a champ -- a 12pack was nothing. Not anymore, though -- the health ramifications are too much. My liver says no more, and it's just not fun.
* Marijuana: enjoyed this a fair amount in my requisite stoner years like any teenager. Stopped enjoying it in my 20s. I suspect it interacts badly with the antihistamines I take. These days it just gives me a cloudy headache and makes me intolerably drowsy. and not in a good way.
* Kava kava: I actually quite enjoy the resulting intoxication from this stuff, but it's like drinking dirt, and it makes me nauseated as hell. Pass.
* Xanax: hardly does anything for me. The anxiolytic effects are obviously there as I do relax a little bit, but it's barely imperceptible. If I take any more than 1mg I just get exhausted and pass out. Pass.
* Zolpidem/Ambien: this is an interesting one: the buzz that I get from ambien around 15-30 mins after I take it is awesome, but of course after an hour or two I pass the hell out (as intended). The reports of the effects of ambien (night terrors, sleep-walking, etc.) scare the shit out of me, but I've never experienced anything even close, myself. If I could find something like ambien that didn't have the massively sedating effects, I'd be quite pleased. I was hoping xanax would be this missing puzzle piece, but alas, not even close.
* Oxycodone: makes my head swim, and then I projectile vomit. Soooo.. yeah, that's not my thing.
* Hydrocodone: The only time I've had this stuff was after some serious surgery, and it made me feel so good that I threw the bottle away. I need a stress-reliever, not a life-ruiner. I don't have an addiction-prone personality but this stuff scared me.
So, any suggestions? Should I give any of the other benzos a try? I've thought about giving clonazepam, or even basic valium a try. But based on my experiences with xanax, I'm not impressed. It's obviously a useful anxiolytic and handy for a long planeride, but otherwise not fun.
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you could try codeine, but that could make you throw up like the oxycodone. However i find its quite a nice weak buzz in a reasonably small dosage ~100mg with not that many side effects (slight itching and drowsiness)
It's basically a weak version of hydrocodone
Have you tried marijuana edibles? they may have a slightly different effect on you if you're used to smoking?
How about GBL / GHB its said to be roughly similar to alcohol and people on it don't look anything worse than slightly drunk so that might be an option?
GBL/GHB id say is probably your best bet as long as you stay with low dosages :)
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I would at least try the other benzos. If those don't work, low-dose ketamine.
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Low dose Ketamine or even MDMA would be good.
Good MDMA can do wonders for your family life and overall wellbeing, particularly if taken in low doses once every few weeks.
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Ketamine
Bing
MDMA
MDA
Mephedrone
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Shame your not interested in hallucinogens. Low level acid doses can keep you composed and sober looking while giving you a real burst of creative energy and empathy.
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Acid is real nice I recommend giving it a try, but as for benzos I find diazepam to be the most fun recreationally.
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MDMA (yes. yes and yessss)
Opium Tea (very relaxing as shit, mix it with weed and your in a melting pot of euphoria with great sleep i might add)
Im gonna try ketamine in a day or two, just recieved my package soo.. ill let your executive ass know about that when I get down with the get down
DONT DO METH THO...hahaha, ive been raping the forums about my first and last experience about that. so i just have to say it again..
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Sounds like MXE is exactly what you are looking for.
-15-25mg feels very similar to having a few beers, same buzz and sociable feeling and slightly dumbed down happy brain
-not a hallucinogen, but rather a dissociative. simply avoid high doses though if you want to avoid trippy effects
-with low doses it is possible to act fairly normal in social situations (I've taken around family / with friends at dinner)
-lasts around 6 hours taken orally
-no hangover (unless you take like 100mg, and even then I prefer to call the hangover an afterglow)
-no calories or metabolism issues
-cheap (~$25 for a gram, which is like 30 low doses)
-can measure and cap in a pill, no need to smoke or whatever
It's a great drug for anxiety. After taking it I have a general sense of well being for a couple days. Careful of overuse though, as tolerance does build if taken multiple days in a row.
Check out this thread. Note however that some people have crazy experiences: ego death, erratic behavior, out of body, etc. This only happens at high doses. Start with 15 mg and wait 2-3 hours.
Do not redose before that. You will have a strong urge to because it feels good but the effects take a while to come on.
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=4685
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^^^What he said^^^
Plus, although its a dissociative, it can make you rather friendly and talkative at low doses. Not to mention, unlike most of the other "downers/depressants/relaxants" you mentioned, MXE doesn't make you sleepy. In fact, you tend to be slightly/comfortably wired due to it dopaminergenic activity, even though your relaxed (kind of like a couple of beers plus a tiny bump of coke).
And, Since it is a legal/unscheduled RC, you don't have to worry about losing your job or going jail as much.
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Yep MXE is pretty cool :)
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I always struggle to sleep after taking MXE, it's great when I'm on it, but I couldn't do it casually day to day.
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Interesting.. Thanks a ton, guys.
I'll probably experiment with a few other benzos here and there.
MXE sounds very interesting -- does it impair motor function in ways similar to alcohol?
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Yes...Not a lot in the smaller amounts. but larger amounts make me feel like I'm walking on the moon (The spaceman bounce/stride)
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It's a shame you aren't into hallucinogens because I find that they were really helpful in removing most of the anxiety from my life. I will give two thumbs up to MXE, though. Cherish your first time, it's the most fun
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Forgive my ignorance, but a lot of the experience discussions refer to a "K-hole" and "M-hole" -- what are they talking about?
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K hole is when you take a full anesthetic dose of Ketamin.
I don't know what the M hole is... ???
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I assume it's the equivalent for MXE. I just wasn't sure what the "hole" meant.
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Yea, an M-Hole is MXE's version of a K-Hole. its basically when you take so much that you get the hallucinogenic effects. Kinda feels like RoboTripping in a small closet with the lights out.
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I gotcha. Yeah, I have to say the experiences i that other thread make me a little more wary. I definitely cannot find myself "tripping balls" in my current life stage, unfortunately.
But maybe if I stick to the lower doses.
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ketamine. all i have to say.
if you're hesitant to put stuff up your nose, you can put it in caps. i wouldn't recommend that though. just snort it!
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I gotcha. Yeah, I have to say the experiences i that other thread make me a little more wary. I definitely cannot find myself "tripping balls" in my current life stage, unfortunately.
But maybe if I stick to the lower doses.
Luckily, there is a much wider dose response curve for MXE than other drugs (you don't have to worry about taking a tiny bit to much and tripping balls). If you broke it up into a bunch of 15mg pills (of which 1-2 is enough to give you a good buzz for a few hours) you would have to take at least 4-5 in a short time period to have any mild visual distortions and you would need to take 6 or more AT ONCE to get anywhere near an M-hole.
Kind of reminds me of my DXM days as a youth. I would sip on whole a bottle of VICKS 44 Dry Cough all day to keep a good drunken buzz going without any hallucinations. But I had to actually chug the stuff in a small time frame to get any visuals.
IMHO, 15-40 mg of MXE is one of the finest social lubricants around
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Interesting. Thanks a ton for the info. Would you recommend I buy from someone on SR or should I hit up a legit/legal vendor?
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Hah, I just realized you are a vendor. I have a feeling I know what your answer is going to be. :)
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There's a reason why they called valium "mother's little helper", and you fit the profile for it perfectly. You'll find that it has a much different signature than Xanax, whose effects I'd describe as 'stoning' rather than 'calming', and unlike Xanax, valium also has mild muscle relaxant effects that can feel like an soothing embrace. I keep a supply on hand for dental appointments, long airplane flights, and simply as a salve for shitty days at work (traditional prescription for which is alcohol, but like you, alcohol and I don't get along these days physically and weed never did much for me other than make me speedy yet vacant). I also regard valium as my "reward" during the comedown off LSD trips, which can more resemble a harrowing 10 hour psychoanalytic deconstruction as scripted by Roman Polanski and staged by David Cronenberg than anything 'fun'.
I'd also recommend you and your husband try MDMA together. Keep dosages moderate and use infrequent, but it does work wonders for couples.
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Actually I'm not a vendor. Me and the vendor DrG0nzo just have similar names. (I was unaware of him it at the time I made my buyer's account and I have long taken a liking to using "Dr. Gonzo II" as a pen name ever since the great Hunter S. Thompson died)
But I did get a sample of DrG0nzo's MXE recently and it is the shit. not to mention he gave me half a gram instead of a quarter gram.
I have sampled a lot of MXE from the clearnet and the only one that I found to be as good as DrG0nzos is Vis Research (you can find reviews of them here: http://thealteredstates.iftopic.com/t2568-vis-research-review-thread )
Beware of the super cheap MXE on the clearnet as it is most likely a weird PCP analog that has been floating around from an industrial scale synth in china that got fucked up and they sent it out anyways.
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I've heard good things about reich's and Dr. Gonzos MXE. I've only tried ChillyP's and kwiktrips and they were both good.
I personally would order from SR because it leaves no trails and there are reviews available so you know you are getting the right stuff, and the prices are about the same as clearnet.
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Yep MXE is pretty cool :)
+1 & ditto on MXE. 15-20mg should be fine amigo...
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mxe all the way. very good for anxiety. also provides me with clarity.
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There's a reason why they called valium "mother's little helper", and you fit the profile for it perfectly. You'll find that it has a much different signature than Xanax, whose effects I'd describe as 'stoning' rather than 'calming', and unlike Xanax, valium also has mild muscle relaxant effects that can feel like an soothing embrace. I keep a supply on hand for dental appointments, long airplane flights, and simply as a salve for shitty days at work (traditional prescription for which is alcohol, but like you, alcohol and I don't get along these days physically and weed never did much for me other than make me speedy yet vacant). I also regard valium as my "reward" during the comedown off LSD trips, which can more resemble a harrowing 10 hour psychoanalytic deconstruction as scripted by Roman Polanski and staged by David Cronenberg than anything 'fun'.
I'd consider valium to be a drug that takes the edge of things too - not (only) side effects of other drugs, but also unpleasant situations that just occur in life in general.
The idea of downing a valium with several glasses of wine may be a stereotype of how women managed the 70s and 80s, but definitely has merit.
I'd also recommend you and your husband try MDMA together. Keep dosages moderate and use infrequent, but it does work wonders for couples.
This would be great if you are NOT looking for a night that features lots of sleep at little action indeed.
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Valium definitely. Wonder drug.
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10-15mg of MXE under the tongue will have you feel real nice but not knock you out or make you appear retarded to others. i'm just getting to know it, but so far it has been a wonderful drug to me.
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Try GHB or GBL. You have to get your personal dose right. Too much will put you out. Too little will just make you feel tired.
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You need to try out the prescription amphetamines. I think those would be right up your alley.