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Title: laws on MXE in the US
Post by: zer021 on June 07, 2013, 08:51 pm
Say one was to be found with MXE in the US in a state with no specific laws against MXE, what would happen?  I believe that the analogue act does not cover it because it is an analogue of ketamine which is schedule.  I thought that I read somewhere that it would become some sort of problem with the FDA but I really don't know.  Any thoughts?
Title: Re: laws on MXE in the US
Post by: DrugsBunny on July 24, 2013, 11:16 am
It has to be formally banned, the analog act only has the drugs in a grey area, why do you care about if its illegal or not? if it gets found, you're not getting it..
Title: Re: laws on MXE in the US
Post by: thebakertrio on July 24, 2013, 01:45 pm
Say one was to be found with MXE in the US in a state with no specific laws against MXE, what would happen?  I believe that the analogue act does not cover it because it is an analogue of ketamine which is schedule.  I thought that I read somewhere that it would become some sort of problem with the FDA but I really don't know.  Any thoughts?

They do not treat MXE as a analogue of Ket since Ket is not a high enough schedule to invoke the analogue law. Instead what they do is treat it as a analogue of PCE which is just right to invoke an send your ass to FED.

As for the FDA? Fuck them 1 million times over to the power of 666. Those guys are just as bad as our government. Matter of fact the FDA are the last people you should ever worry about, DHS is the one making busts these days which cracks me up wtf they have to do with drugs in the 1st place.
Title: Re: laws on MXE in the US
Post by: thebakertrio on July 24, 2013, 04:33 pm
Fast dig leads to this

http://www.justice.gov/dea/pr/microgram-journals/2012/mj9-1_3-17.pdf  (DEA SITE)

The important text is

Quote
Methoxetamine or 2-(3-Methoxyphenyl)-2-(ethylamino)- cyclohexanone (Figure 1), commonly referred to as "MXE" or "3-MeO-2-Oxo-PCE," is a new compound for sale over the Internet. Methoxetamine was originally publicized through an interview with an "underground chemist" who envisioned its dissociative properties and proposed that it would be "a stress-free version of ketamine" [1]. Although not currently scheduled under the U.S. Controlled Substances Act, methoxetamine may be considered to be an analog of ketamine (Figure 2) [2]; replacing the ortho chlorine ketamine with a meta methoxy, and replacing the N-methyl with an N-ethyl. Herein, we report the structural elucidation of methoxetamine through nuclear magnetic resonance spectroscopy, mass spectrometry, infrared spectroscopy, and subsequent independent synthesis. The analytical data are also compared to the structurally similar drug ketamine. Additionally, analytical profiles of methoxetamine’s synthetic intermediates and its major synthetic impurity are presented to assist forensic chemists who may encounter these substances in casework.

So they will treat it as a analogue of ket on paper but the reason I said PCE is due to this case


http://www.scribd.com/doc/118168734/North-Dakota-Indictment
its page 2, 3rd chemical down.


I don't know if that DEA paper is outdated or what but anyways your welcome  ;)

By the way it took me a good hour to find that fucking court document,
Title: Re: laws on MXE in the US
Post by: modziw on July 24, 2013, 05:25 pm
Even if it's a non-illegal RC if you have it split up for individual consumption they will bust you. Only in bulk form is it safe if it's not yet scheduled.

Modzi
Title: Re: laws on MXE in the US
Post by: thebakertrio on July 24, 2013, 06:05 pm
Even if it's a non-illegal RC if you have it split up for individual consumption they will bust you. Only in bulk form is it safe if it's not yet scheduled.

Modzi

Well if its broken up then its in a form ready for distribution, totally different charge on top of the possession one.

The RC world is dead in the way of a free market on the world wide web or gas stations..ect LE has a major hardon for this type of activity.

To the OP, If memory recalls MXE will reagent test positive for PCP/PCE in the field test kit they carry as well as the metabolites from MXE will false positive most drug tests for the same thing. If the amount is minute then you can plead down to possession n maybe what community service+probation if your record is squeaky clean?
Title: Re: laws on MXE in the US
Post by: HCeline on July 24, 2013, 09:22 pm
you are correct it tests for pcp on a reagent test, and in drug screenings.
Title: Re: laws on MXE in the US
Post by: thebakertrio on July 24, 2013, 09:45 pm
you are correct it tests for pcp on a reagent test, and in drug screenings.

I just reached out to a friend who was traffic stopped, yes one more time it will field test kit mark for pcp.

Now to answer what will happen if you are caught with it, well since it test positive for pcp they will treat it as pcp. You will have to deal with the idea of possibly staying locked up while they lab test it and then once its proven not to be pcp but mxe this is where it gets tricky. They might let you go n call it a day or they might charge you with the analogue law, it all depends on how much of a dick head the DA wants to be.
Title: Re: laws on MXE in the US
Post by: jackofspades on July 24, 2013, 10:04 pm
Even if it's a non-illegal RC if you have it split up for individual consumption they will bust you. Only in bulk form is it safe if it's not yet scheduled.

Modzi

So in the eyes of the law, how much of each particular RC (in this case MXE) would be 'bulk'...

and are you saying that a bulk amount of MXE (assuming its not bagged for distrib) will get you off the hook but a small amount for personal use they will bust ya for?... ???

This thread was quite the coincidence, i plan to try some SR MXE very soon.
Title: Re: laws on MXE in the US
Post by: thebakertrio on July 24, 2013, 11:27 pm
Even if it's a non-illegal RC if you have it split up for individual consumption they will bust you. Only in bulk form is it safe if it's not yet scheduled.

Modzi

So in the eyes of the law, how much of each particular RC (in this case MXE) would be 'bulk'...

and are you saying that a bulk amount of MXE (assuming its not bagged for distrib) will get you off the hook but a small amount for personal use they will bust ya for?... ???

This thread was quite the coincidence, i plan to try some SR MXE very soon.

In the eyes of the law? 0-10000 years!

well since it will hit as pcp just look into pcp laws n thats what you face, again once the lab tests come back it will be different and totally up to the courts.
Title: Re: laws on MXE in the US
Post by: HCeline on July 27, 2013, 03:02 am
If you get caught with it and test it you are going to jail and probably will be treated like your nuts what with the stigma pcp has
Title: Re: laws on MXE in the US
Post by: Jack N Hoff on July 27, 2013, 03:09 am
I only read the first post but I want to point out that the federal analogue act of 1986 also covers any substances that imitate or mimic the effects of schedule 1 and 2 substances and I have read that MXE falls under the federal analogue act because of PCP.  I am not saying that I agree with that but that is what I have read.  It is illegal to sell for human consumption.  If you were caught in possession of a small amount of MXE in a state where it is not specifically illegal then you would be fine.
Title: Re: laws on MXE in the US
Post by: thebakertrio on July 27, 2013, 03:15 am
If you get caught with it and test it you are going to jail and probably will be treated like your nuts what with the stigma pcp has

If you they invoke analogue then you might as well have been caught with the real thing since that's what minimum fed guideline charges they will slap on your ass, if its not fed I believe the states also have minimum drug sentencing laws as well. Its silly, its stupid but when has the drug war or LEO ever been rational? I also think some states have asset forfeiture laws and you might lose your car, once again totally fucking stupid.