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Title: amphetamine vs MDPV as a study aid
Post by: gsharpp on February 22, 2012, 04:37 pm
which one of these two would make for a better study aid based on the ability to keep me motivated, focused, and energetic. I should also be able to take it over a "longer" period of time. Not really looking for a recreational high, just a good study aid.

I'm leaving adderall and ritalin out because they are quite a bit pricey in comparison.

Pro Amphetamine:
cheap
available in my country
lots of literature on this drug

Cons:
at best only mediocre quality available 
illegal

Pro MDPV:
of better quality
not quite illegal in my country (grey area)
??? what else

Con:
more expensive than amphetamines
new drug, not much research available
"fiending"


Title: Re: amphetamine vs MDPV as a study aid
Post by: reich on February 22, 2012, 04:55 pm
Can I suggest Ethlyphenidate? It's an analogue of Ritalin, pretty similar in it's effect but much cheaper and legal in most places. As for the ones you posted I wouldn't advise long time wise use of MDPV as it seems to cause psychosis of course it depends what time frame you mean, as in if you mean using weekly for a college term or a day long binge to get work done.
Title: Re: amphetamine vs MDPV as a study aid
Post by: gsharpp on February 22, 2012, 05:18 pm
Can I suggest Ethlyphenidate? It's an analogue of Ritalin, pretty similar in it's effect but much cheaper and legal in most places. As for the ones you posted I wouldn't advise long time wise use of MDPV as it seems to cause psychosis of course it depends what time frame you mean, as in if you mean using weekly for a college term or a day long binge to get work done.

hello reich

thanks for your suggestion. Never even heard of Ethlyphenidate and it seems like it is very new since Erowid does not have it listed in it's database. Do you have any sites with info on Ethlyphenidate, or perhaps some "Trip reports"? I will definitely take a closer look at this chemical
Title: Re: amphetamine vs MDPV as a study aid
Post by: Mixer on February 22, 2012, 05:40 pm
www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=93671
www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=94764
Title: Re: amphetamine vs MDPV as a study aid
Post by: edgarnumbers on February 23, 2012, 02:34 am
I've tried ethlyphenidate and it would be an awesome study aid. Extremely similar to ritalin, for obvious reasons. But I did not notice much of a crash compared to ritalin.
Title: Re: amphetamine vs MDPV as a study aid
Post by: gsharpp on February 23, 2012, 09:46 am
I've tried ethlyphenidate and it would be an awesome study aid. Extremely similar to ritalin, for obvious reasons. But I did not notice much of a crash compared to ritalin.

hmm I've read a couple reports on various forums and it seems like the effects don't last very long? How much did you consume?
Title: Re: amphetamine vs MDPV as a study aid
Post by: v01d on February 24, 2012, 12:12 am
I would never recommend anyone to take MDPV for study or not.
Dextro-amphetamine should suite you just fine.
Title: Re: amphetamine vs MDPV as a study aid
Post by: gsharpp on February 24, 2012, 11:56 am
I would never recommend anyone to take MDPV for study or not.
Dextro-amphetamine should suite you just fine.

so Adderall and Vyvanse? Would the effects justify the price difference? (for example between Adderall and Speed sold here on SR)
Title: Re: amphetamine vs MDPV as a study aid
Post by: cache on February 24, 2012, 12:01 pm
MDPV is a horrible drug, please do not even consider it.
Title: Re: amphetamine vs MDPV as a study aid
Post by: gsharpp on February 24, 2012, 12:26 pm
MDPV is a horrible drug, please do not even consider it.

yep. Definitely going to stay away from it now.
Title: Re: amphetamine vs MDPV as a study aid
Post by: no_pain on February 24, 2012, 12:45 pm
MDPV is a horrible drug, please do not even consider it.

....if only I could stop taking it, then it would be great, but even meth dont give me this feeling mdpv gives me "I want more and more and more".... and then after 3 days or so you will get really mad and psychotic, pain in the heart area and finally hospital or such ....

Dont mess with it it is not worth it! trust me on this.

take care
no_pain
Title: Re: amphetamine vs MDPV as a study aid
Post by: sniper123 on May 07, 2012, 07:57 am
Ugh, i love it when people talk so much shit about MDPV. It's the same with any other stimulant. You're going to want to re dose. You just have to keep that line in your head. "I AM ONLY GONG TO USE THIS TO STUDY." Because when you loose that thought you start reposing more than you should. I have found 4FA to work really well for me for studying. It also helps when i go to class because 4fa has a very small empathetic feel to it. So that makes me more sociable.

I recommend amp for studying just because most people can keep their self from binging. If you have had an addiction  problem before or an addictive personality then i hope you don't pick mdpv. But, at the end of the day people will always have their drug of choice and try to put down other peoples drug of choice. As long as your not hurting yourself or others. Who gives a fuck what you are putting in your body.

Oh one more thing 4fa burns like hell if you snort it. You got to snort it at least once. The weird thing is it don't burn when it first goes up. It slowly sets in and burns. I would compare it to the 2c chemicals in the discomfort you will experience.

As always keep doses as small as possible in hopes not to build tolerance and be safe. :)
Title: Re: amphetamine vs MDPV as a study aid
Post by: pachang on May 07, 2012, 11:43 am
I cant imagine MDPV being more expensive per dose considering you'd dose around 5mg
5mg of street amphetamine wont get you that far.

I personally can not concentrate AT ALL on MDPV. I like the buzz somewhat but I can't seem to accomplish ANYTHING on it. I feel more like it actually gives me ADD.
With amphetamine my head stays absolutely clear, however illicit amp is often cut with a lot of crap and if i ingest the paste I bought on SR i get stomach cramps. I find snorting too intense for focusing.

For me personally however the whole study aid idea is inherently stupid: If you can't accomplish whatever you're doing without the help of drugs this is simply not a sustainable way to go. Rather the fast-lane to stim-addiction (which is not pretty in any way)

Title: Re: amphetamine vs MDPV as a study aid
Post by: minorthreat71 on May 08, 2012, 02:12 am
For me personally however the whole study aid idea is inherently stupid: If you can't accomplish whatever you're doing without the help of drugs this is simply not a sustainable way to go.

While likely written in haste, this is ridiculously stupid.  Do you drink coffee? Take vitamins? Omega-3?  Ginsing?  Please, draw the line.

Steven Hawkings seems to be fairly intelligent... wonder if he could do what he does "without the help of drugs" because it's "not a sustainable way to go."   
Title: Re: amphetamine vs MDPV as a study aid
Post by: pachang on May 08, 2012, 09:56 am
For me personally however the whole study aid idea is inherently stupid: If you can't accomplish whatever you're doing without the help of drugs this is simply not a sustainable way to go.
While likely written in haste, this is ridiculously stupid.  Do you drink coffee? Take vitamins? Omega-3?  Ginsing?  Please, draw the line.
Yes it sounded stupid. Let me try to clarify what I meant:
I am skeptical of the concept of functional drug use (besides to alleviate physical conditions, like in Hawkins case).
I do not like the concept that people should fit a societally agreed behavioral pattern and whoever does not fit is deemed "mentally ill", diagnosed with ADD and put on a steady diet of drugs so they can function. People studying or learning something that interests them so little that they need to drop speed just to be able to focus on it is sad. If you question the meaning of learning shit so you can get a crappy job that allows you to drive a nice car (to work) every fucking day I find speed to be a unsustainable solution.
If however this one last exam is between you and this place in a cubicle you are dreaming of, then by all means go for it with any chemical help necessary.

An interesting read about this topic is the book "Methland". The author describes how the workers in the meat packing plants of rural Illinois started using meth just to be able to do double shifts because they could not feed their family otherwise.
Turns out that was not a sustainable solution.
Title: Re: amphetamine vs MDPV as a study aid
Post by: minorthreat71 on May 09, 2012, 10:37 am
Yes, I'm glad i cut you some slack, but have you considered the counter argument?  They work.  Why is it okay to take a drug for hypertension and not one the promotes mental clarity?  They are both drugs.  There is a strong possibility that the guy taking smart drugs might find the cure to cancer. 

I'm not attacking you, but rather, encouraging you to take a deeper look at the long term effects.  Definitely has it's down sides though...

I keep thinking of a couple of neanderthals fucking with a wheel.... one says NO..... we can change.... while the other see the benefit....

Google it, it's one of the fastest grown fields of science to date.
Title: Re: amphetamine vs MDPV as a study aid
Post by: candorean on May 09, 2012, 04:17 pm
Taking any RC for a study aid is just plain stupid, especially stimulants. Think about Barry Kidston, a college student who synthesized MPPP and shared it with 4 of his friends. Whoops, they all developed Parkinsons. It turns out that MPTP was a major impurity from his synthesis process. At that time, nobody knew MPTP was so neurotoxic that it could cause Parkinsons within a few doses. Fact of the matter is that scientists discover that drugs are bad AFTER people start suffering the consequences. By taking MDPV, you are acting as a guinea pig. Obviously it isn't as dangerous as MPTP, but the point is that nobody knows its safety profile. The compulsive dosing is a sign of its deleterious mechanism of action. Do research into addiction potentials of stimulants and you'll learn that fiending in the absence of euphoria is caused by neurogenesis in the reward pathway - these are permanent and lifelong changes.
Title: Re: amphetamine vs MDPV as a study aid
Post by: sniper123 on May 09, 2012, 04:37 pm
Taking any RC for a study aid is just plain stupid, especially stimulants. Think about Barry Kidston, a college student who synthesized MPPP and shared it with 4 of his friends. Whoops, they all developed Parkinsons. It turns out that MPTP was a major impurity from his synthesis process. At that time, nobody knew MPTP was so neurotoxic that it could cause Parkinsons within a few doses. Fact of the matter is that scientists discover that drugs are bad AFTER people start suffering the consequences. By taking MDPV, you are acting as a guinea pig. Obviously it isn't as dangerous as MPTP, but the point is that nobody knows its safety profile. The compulsive dosing is a sign of its deleterious mechanism of action. Do research into addiction potentials of stimulants and you'll learn that fiending in the absence of euphoria is caused by neurogenesis in the reward pathway - these are permanent and lifelong changes.
So i should take more vitamins and snort mdpv more often to get the euphoria. Use the vitamins to protect my brain? What's wrong with amphetamines?
Title: Re: amphetamine vs MDPV as a study aid
Post by: Adrianexi on May 09, 2012, 04:50 pm
Bare in mind that learning is often state dependent, so taking in consideration the fact that the environment and what you are feeling at the time you study, has an effect on where and how you feel while recalling the information you previously learned.
So for example if you take (drug) at the time you study, the information may not come back to you until you take (drug) again to feel the same, so your body starts remembering things.
I don't think taking (drug) during an exam would be the best idea, as long as you can hide it from anyone else to avoid trouble. I am in need of stimulants during studying too, although I feel uneasy because my pupils dilate almost every time, I look awfully obvious since my eyes are light. So I chose a bit more difficult and expensive way but it ensures that I wont get caught. Piracetam, Choline & Selegiline at the moment. (I've tried MDPV once and I regret taking such an amount before my lesson, I couldn't help my hands shaking, and left the class early since my mates told me I look like as if I was rolling on mdma ( due to my pupil dilation)
Title: Re: amphetamine vs MDPV as a study aid
Post by: sniper123 on May 09, 2012, 04:58 pm
Bare in mind that learning is often state dependent, so taking in consideration the fact that the environment and what you are feeling at the time you study, has an effect on where and how you feel while recalling the information you previously learned.
So for example if you take (drug) at the time you study, the information may not come back to you until you take (drug) again to feel the same, so your body starts remembering things.
I don't think taking (drug) during an exam would be the best idea, as long as you can hide it from anyone else to avoid trouble. I am in need of stimulants during studying too, although I feel uneasy because my pupils dilate almost every time, I look awfully obvious since my eyes are light. So I chose a bit more difficult and expensive way but it ensures that I wont get caught. Piracetam, Choline & Selegiline at the moment. (I've tried MDPV once and I regret taking such an amount before my lesson, I couldn't help my hands shaking, and left the class early since my mates told me I look like as if I was rolling on mdma ( due to my pupil dilation)

I don't see the problem with pupil dilation if your in college. I went to class sober and people were asking me what was wrong with my eyes. They kept asking me why were they so small because they had grown a custom to seeing my pupils that big lol. I have a friend that is like you. He whigs out if people notice he is high. I personally don't care because they can't prove it. :D The only time  wouldn't want to look high i guess if i had a generous amount of substances on me.
Title: Re: amphetamine vs MDPV as a study aid
Post by: candorean on May 09, 2012, 09:50 pm
So i should take more vitamins and snort mdpv more often to get the euphoria. Use the vitamins to protect my brain? What's wrong with amphetamines?

Only one in ten drugs get FDA approved. And scientists are damn confident in their drugs before they send it to the FDA because its a long, difficult, and costly process. Keep that in mind every time you try a research chemical. Also, I think you misinterpreted my statement on MDPV. There is nothing wrong with amphetamine... unless you are buying speed cut with god knows what. Most analysis threads I find say that SR vendors cut their stuff with caffeine. Caffeine antagonizes adenosine receptors which are important in amphetamine's mechanism of action. It merely has an additive effect that dealers capitalize on in exchange for the user's safety. You want a perfect study drug and are sure you can be responsible? Buy some Methamphetamine. Ignore the taboo on that drug. Follow my guide on safe use:

http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=22378.0

Afterwards, do your own research so that you know exactly what you're doing. Remember, methamphetamine was safe enough to be FDA approved before the media shitstorm ruined its name thanks to binge users. Your only other options are to get prescription amphetamines, methlyphenidate, or modafinil. If you can't do that, your last option is a nootropic regime (piracetam, etc). All other study drugs are not worth the time.
Title: Re: amphetamine vs MDPV as a study aid
Post by: jewfro on May 10, 2012, 01:15 am
mppp is a opiate analog, from what i remember....

idk, all these bath salt shit just trips me out. im pretty sure ive gotten methylone sold to me as mdma before... ffs lol

i agree with candorean though - meth is awesome for menial, repetitive shit. and if you get clean clean crystals - it's just as good, if not better than USP grade amph...

the negative effects of any stimulant are... the same as the negative effects of any stimulant - dose dependent, and watch your body temperature, acid/base intake, etc....

if you can't get quality speed, get meth. snort it or eat it - dont smoke it or shoot it, and you're good.
Title: Re: amphetamine vs MDPV as a study aid
Post by: gsharpp on May 10, 2012, 08:29 am
OP checking in

I|'ve tried Ritalin, amphetamines from two different vendors, and mephedrone. As far as studying goes I believe Ritalin has worked the best for me. It lets me focus on my work and doesn't really give me a recreational  type high like amph or mephedrone so I don't end up re-dosing trying to get that initial high back. I'm still hesitant to try meth, I guess all the propaganda has gotten to me.

I would like to continue using Ritalin but the prices are quite juicy on SR/
Title: Re: amphetamine vs MDPV as a study aid
Post by: minorthreat71 on May 10, 2012, 09:07 am
Taking any RC for a study aid is just plain stupid, especially stimulants. Think about Barry Kidston, a college student who synthesized MPPP and shared it with 4 of his friends. Whoops, they all developed Parkinsons. It turns out that MPTP was a major impurity from his synthesis process. At that time, nobody knew MPTP was so neurotoxic that it could cause Parkinsons within a few doses. Fact of the matter is that scientists discover that drugs are bad AFTER people start suffering the consequences. By taking MDPV, you are acting as a guinea pig. Obviously it isn't as dangerous as MPTP, but the point is that nobody knows its safety profile. The compulsive dosing is a sign of its deleterious mechanism of action. Do research into addiction potentials of stimulants and you'll learn that fiending in the absence of euphoria is caused by neurogenesis in the reward pathway - these are permanent and lifelong changes.
There you have it: case closed. 

Sherlock has cracked the case again, the empirical evidence is there.  What more could you want? Barry and his four buddy got he shakes.  Fuck that noise, man, I'm so glad I read this thread.  I'm going straight to my doctor I tell him what the fuck is up!  Clearly, all those fucking years of medical school were a waste.  He needs the internets.... wait did I say empirical?  damn.... I meant the really solid shit - anecdotal evidence.

You know what else is fucking stupid, taking aspirin.  Way worse then Parkinson, someone actually died. Dude, don't even get me started on acetaminophen. Whoa, it will blow your fucking mind... 

thank god they does sell shit like that on Silk Road....  stick with heroin.

Title: Re: amphetamine vs MDPV as a study aid
Post by: redalloverthelandguyhere on May 10, 2012, 12:53 pm
I would be VERY wary of using ANY drug legal or not to id in study.

The exceptions exist and if someone decides to do a study binge then there are benefits. Trouble is all stimulants tend to have a tendency to be addictive so choose carefully!

As for RCs - I know people here enjoy them but for study? Best stick with tried and tested substances.

As for amphetamine I have experience of this. Too much experience as I got a 6 month addiction 20 years back. Daily use. In the end I was too messed up to study!

Occasional use of amphetamine or speed is fine. Some urgent paper needs writing - say 20 A4 pieces of paper then decent amphetamine will be a great help. Finding decent amphetamine is another thing. For the main part even the speed sold by the speed doktor which some moan at will be good for non users not used to real top amphetamine.

Ritalin I have myself - for a 'study aid'

As for meth I fear that is too tempting for some and will promote partying not studying. Very addictive. Amphetamine is more likely to get you studying if you are careful with the dose and start off small to test reactions.

I find smoking a little hash or bud relaxes me enough to study. I am an exception I guess.
Title: Re: amphetamine vs MDPV as a study aid
Post by: sniper123 on May 10, 2012, 03:53 pm
I would be VERY wary of using ANY drug legal or not to id in study.

The exceptions exist and if someone decides to do a study binge then there are benefits. Trouble is all stimulants tend to have a tendency to be addictive so choose carefully!

As for RCs - I know people here enjoy them but for study? Best stick with tried and tested substances.

As for amphetamine I have experience of this. Too much experience as I got a 6 month addiction 20 years back. Daily use. In the end I was too messed up to study!

Occasional use of amphetamine or speed is fine. Some urgent paper needs writing - say 20 A4 pieces of paper then decent amphetamine will be a great help. Finding decent amphetamine is another thing. For the main part even the speed sold by the speed doktor which some moan at will be good for non users not used to real top amphetamine.

Ritalin I have myself - for a 'study aid'

As for meth I fear that is too tempting for some and will promote partying not studying. Very addictive. Amphetamine is more likely to get you studying if you are careful with the dose and start off small to test reactions.

I find smoking a little hash or bud relaxes me enough to study. I am an exception I guess.

I find bud useful also if it's a sativia. If  it's an indica it normally leads to me just watching tv.
Title: Re: amphetamine vs MDPV as a study aid
Post by: jewfro on May 10, 2012, 04:46 pm
I would be VERY wary of using ANY drug legal or not to id in study.

The exceptions exist and if someone decides to do a study binge then there are benefits. Trouble is all stimulants tend to have a tendency to be addictive so choose carefully!

As for RCs - I know people here enjoy them but for study? Best stick with tried and tested substances.

As for amphetamine I have experience of this. Too much experience as I got a 6 month addiction 20 years back. Daily use. In the end I was too messed up to study!

Occasional use of amphetamine or speed is fine. Some urgent paper needs writing - say 20 A4 pieces of paper then decent amphetamine will be a great help. Finding decent amphetamine is another thing. For the main part even the speed sold by the speed doktor which some moan at will be good for non users not used to real top amphetamine.

Ritalin I have myself - for a 'study aid'

As for meth I fear that is too tempting for some and will promote partying not studying. Very addictive. Amphetamine is more likely to get you studying if you are careful with the dose and start off small to test reactions.

I find smoking a little hash or bud relaxes me enough to study. I am an exception I guess.

meth doesnt promote partying... it focuses you even more than just speed... and when i take speed for studying, smoking weed only runs me off the rails of concentration - it's nice a tthe end of a marathon paper speed run, but its such a fucking detriment when i need to do actual work and find myself looking for "the next thing to play on my playlist" :S
Title: Re: amphetamine vs MDPV as a study aid
Post by: aciddeath on May 11, 2012, 12:01 am
your mileage my very but MDPV is an ENTIRELY different beast than amphetamine to me

Outside of cannabis I wouldn't consider myself addicted to any drug. I've used a lot of different drugs but never have a hard time staying away from any of them.

I've used MDPV  on 4 occasions and that was enough to realize that I could quickly get carried away into a destructive (and relatively inexpensive) habit
I ended up throwing away the rest of what I had.
In closing fuck MDPV. :]

Here is how I can best describe the difference to you
MDPV makes you want to redose, even while you're still high off of it. The initial dose gives you an overwhelming burst of euphoria that gradually fades into a more 'concentrated/speed' experience
MDPV's euphoria rush is mildly disorienting (at higher doses I have difficulty not shaking my voice when I speak. I can't project my voice at all)
MDPV makes me able to concentrate... but for some reason I can only retain focus on ONE or TWO tasks simultaneously. Even then it is difficult to shift my focus.
When taking MDPV I develop weird physical tics as the drug wears off. If I am alone I will move in the same pattern over and over without thinking about it. Or I will breath irregularly just because it feels right to do

Amphetamine has a less compulsive nature to it. Usually I will administer a single dose of amphetamine.
It is far 'smoother' speed than MDPV -- the euphoria tends to creep up behind me in and out of the experience (if at all)
Amphetamine allows me to stay concentrated simultaneously on MANY tasks and easily shift my focus between them
Amphetamine comedown is a lot easier for me to deal with
Title: Re: amphetamine vs MDPV as a study aid
Post by: sniper123 on May 14, 2012, 12:57 pm
There is a reason why speed sells like crazy at collegs before finals. It's because it works as long as u go to the test tweaking also. Study hard, tweek harder and you'll do fine on your test. But, that's really the only time it's effective.