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Discussion => Newbie discussion => Topic started by: slyguy498 on July 20, 2013, 03:12 am
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y is it there who the hell is it benefiting. in the end it only seems to screw u over in the end. I say SR should do away with the FE option....wouldnt that stop any scamming from being possible????
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Can't you just choose not to FE? ;D Or is someone forcing your finger to click the finalize button? ???
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yes for sure
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there is no fe option. only a finalize meant for when your order actually arrives.
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trust me jack i would never finalize early if my life depended on it hah, its just i constantly see people get raped and ur right no one forces them to click it but y give u the option to chop ur own hand off lol. just makes me skeptical of Sr thats all
but in the end i never fe and ive also never had a problem so what am i blabbing about...stupid noobs :P
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kill the option
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But how do you take away the option to finalize early without taking away the option to finalize after arrival?
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I can serve a useful purpose if a vendor has to reup his supply
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Bad idea. Many vendors need the FE to fulfill orders on time.
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trust me jack i would never finalize early if my life depended on it hah
You have some strange priorities my friend. I personally would rather finalize early than lose my life. ;D
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lol i love this forum, but u briing up a good point. if u take away the fe option how would u finalize when u actually get ur product. If that option didnt exist would silk road be at 100% perfect transaction rate with 0 scams?? is it not a good question/thought though hAHAH
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I think its needed for the lotteries and digital goods
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There actually is no FE option. You are not supposed to finalize early. Atlantis has an FE option but they don't have scammers because they take swift action against scamming.
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I have fe on two orders for free shipping with vendors i hadnt ordered from and both worked out. Secondly I have a relationship with a certain vendor. I always fe for him in piticular on every order which is about 5 orders so he can get his money as soon as possible and because I do that for him he helps me out a lot. Its all about the love!
We are a community here and if you can't trust someone to not screw you over then just use the escrow. I know thier are scammers but I would put my trust in almost every single vendor on sr. Not all but most.
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I just F/Eed. I really didn't want to, but the seller had very good feedback on his product and service. They would only sell to me being a newbie, if I F/Eed, so I did, now crossing my fingers.
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I think the same people who like drugs also like gambling a bit. Keep the FE!
Honestly I think there are enough options that you dont need to FE. Usually people FE when they are new, there is a good deal and trusted vendor. I did it after HOURS of research. Its a calculated bet.
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Sometimes, the buyers offer to FE themselves. Like kimlee said especially when they're new. It helps them get the ball rolling so to speak. I'm sure most vendors with a stellar reputation won't try to scam buyers who FE, especially when the order is a tiny fraction of their overall business.
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The FE option is only allowed for sellers who have made enough successful transactions to ask buyers to FE, which I think is reasonable. I don't mind FE for legit sellers who don't scam.
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I don't see a problem with finalizing early. Sometimes it is just going to be much easier to deal with as a vendor.
Think of this: if a vendor ships something to you ship regular mail they have no proof of delivery anyway. If it's a trustworthy vendor, then why not FE? It cannot actually protect the buyer to hold the funds in escrow since without tracking there can be no proof of non-delivery anyway, so SR support is almost guaranteed to side with the long-standing and trusted vendor. The only protection not FEing can provide, is from a vendor that has actually decided to sacrifice/abandon their vendor account in order to rip - and you should be able to minimize that with minimal due-vigilance.
Personally, if I order from a trusted vendor, I always FE. Why? Because it's nice as a vendor to not have to wait for the funds to get released - it's not like the vendor didn't already incur the costs associated with dispensing the product.
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Everyone keeps saying "FE option." THERE IS NO "FE OPTION!" When you finalize you are agreeing that you received your product and are satisfied. I repeat, THERE IS NO FE OPTION!!!
HOW THE FUCK DO YOU GET RID OF SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T EXIST? Who you gonna call? GHOST BUSTERS!
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Finalizing Early is like fronting cash to a dealer in the real world and trusting him to bring you your drugs later. If you know the guy, fine. But even then you can get screwed if his life takes a wrong turn.
The most important difference, however, is that you can't threaten someone on the Internet. I don't condone violence, and I'm not trying to sound "hard," but I always come prepared on the street. I've only had to display my piece once, but I'm glad I had it, or I would have lost more than I could afford.
With escrow, you and the dealer hand your cash/drugs to a FUCKING PIRATE, and he makes sure neither of you is a scallywag. (I don't mean to suggest Dread Pirate Roberts actually handles anything, it's just an illustration.)
As for the "re-up" excuse, I'm unmoved by it. If you can't carry enough to cover a few days, why are you on the Silk Road?
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Finalizing Early is like fronting cash to a dealer in the real world and trusting him to bring you your drugs later.
Sending a customer an order of drugs without tracking IS fronting them drugs and trusting them to pay you later.... ;)
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Finalizing Early is like fronting cash to a dealer in the real world and trusting him to bring you your drugs later.
Sending a customer an order of drugs without tracking IS fronting them drugs and trusting them to pay you later.... ;)
Exactly... any vendor that ships without tracking is doing the equivalent of finalizing early. Why expect vendors to finalize transactions for you (sending the product is essentially finalizing for a vendor), if you aren't willing to finalize for them? Trust works both ways, and if you are a new buyer, it is simple: deal with established and trusted sellers, and if they ask you to FE, do it. Buyers need to earn trust the exact same as vendors. As a new vendor, you can't afford to be overly picky with who you take as a customer nor is it reasonable to demand senior buyer's FE. As a new buyer, therefore, it seems totally reasonable to finalize early for a senior vendor.
My 2 cents. Everybody can conduct themselves as they wish, of course.
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yea i guess i kinda get everyones point, but i still dont think n e one should ever do it. no matter what. no matter how much love they show at the end of the day there still drug dealers. no such thing as 100 percent trust
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Easy. You can determine that to FE is not an option for you.
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It's a nice old saying, but in practice, trust on SR does not work both ways. In practice, sellers are "heroes" whose praises are sung by the powers that be, while buyers are expected to shoulder unreasonable risk and be grateful for it. For all the flowery free-market rhetoric, the prevailing attitude is not much different from meatspace capitalism.
At any rate, when a buyer places an order, his funds are at least confirmed to exist. Not so for the seller's product. Asking the buyer, who has placed his money on the table, to FE before he even sees the product, is unreasonable and one-sided.
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The option to FE is okay and should stay IMO. Nobody is forced to use it, vendors usually clearly state it on their vendor page when and if FE is required and there are always enough options where no FE is needed just to build stats
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I am Not Sure what you mean excactly.
You are talking of not allowing the vendor to request FE?
Or you Talking about the finalize Button.
In Last Case as Many Said its Not a FE Option. Its meant to complete a successfull Transaktion.
And how should someone know when this is.
By clicking you confirm everything Went Fine and Pay.
So nö Deals would be possible without paying
If you Talk about the allowance to ASK for FE. Well its a Free market, choose another One or be clear for yourself that you Risk something by FE. I Rather Risk AT a reputable (Forum) vendor than choosing a Not as Good gear whch i Stick in my veins. Small amounts , Build up a trust buyer History and thAn buy without FE.
There is always the Chance something may go wrong. Vendor busted, parcel busted etc.
But AT the end it is the choice of everyone Personally. You dont have a Gun AT your Head and be told to give the Money :)
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I don't see a problem with finalizing early. Sometimes it is just going to be much easier to deal with as a vendor.
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Personally, if I order from a trusted vendor, I always FE. Why? Because it's nice as a vendor to not have to wait for the funds to get released - it's not like the vendor didn't already incur the costs associated with dispensing the product.
but wich vendor is a really trusted vendor,
i did make some orders and dont have problems till now but current im searching for an Bulk E seller inside germany and they all had some Bad feedbacks on their profiles or at the Forum.
At the first time i came on silkroad i thought all vendors with a ranking above 95% are trustworthy,
but it semms it isnt so.
There are of course exceptions!!!!!!!!!!
A opportunity would be: Aktivate the Finalize option not until 2 days after the Pack gets in transit.
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I agree thats why my account is NeverFE