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Title: Buyers that are asking for samples.....
Post by: Skippy_Jif on August 13, 2012, 12:20 am
I hate to do this, but I have to vent about recent people PMing about samples:

I don't mind giving samples at all. I generally give out samples each time I list a new item, but when people PM me saying that they will be my biggest customer if I can shill out a couple samples of my product that is already price ridicuously lower than any competitor.

When I politely decline the same ole story comes to surface. "If you can't send me a sample how can I trust you?" Fucking really? Check my feedback! I know I may not have great feedback due to a very small amount of canceled orders that were fully refunded, but there are plenty other orders that do justice for my products.

Also, there is escrow. I stay in escrow and never require FE. Come on people! If you're asking for a tiny sample and bragging that you have a big client base then just buy the damn drugs. They're priced to sell regardless of how cheap you're pushing them on the street.

Get real! Buy the product and you'll be very happy! And if you are who you say you are then in the future I will hook you up.

-and that is what really grinds my gears
Title: Re: Buyers that are asking for samples.....
Post by: ZenAndTheArt on August 13, 2012, 12:25 am
Yer that's dark. Their the one's with the problem not you. It sounds like your doing everything poss to be a good vendor. There are always a few people who will try to exploit your kindness.
Title: Re: Buyers that are asking for samples.....
Post by: MrFireUK on August 13, 2012, 12:38 am
I get like 5 messages a day from potential customers who tell me how they are interested in buying ounces of coke and kilos of speed but they want a sample first... well after sending out at least 500 pounds worth of samples and most of these guys never wrote back again I now just tell them that by now I've built a pretty good reputation and there are reviews on the forums about my products and blah blah .. and they can just buy a small amount if they are still unsure (I mean someone who's interested in buying large bulk amounts should probably have enough cash to afford 1g of speed ...)... their usual answer to that is 'Oh too bad , I really was going to buy 10 kilos of you but if you're not willing to send me a free sample I'll take my cash somewhere else .. if you change your mind here's my adress[...]

No more free samples from now on except for when I offer a new product .. and then I'll only send samples to well-known forum members.

Cheers
Title: Re: Buyers that are asking for samples.....
Post by: jameslink2 on August 13, 2012, 12:39 am
This is common, I get a few every month. Normally start by saying they are a big dealer and want to buy a large quantity. (4 or 5 lbs of mushrooms) however, they want to sample the product fist and then ask if I can send them a sample.

I don't list or sell large quantities so they are just fishing.  ::)

I normally reply and ask them to send me there stats. 99% of the time they reply with a set of stats that seem off.

Like this

Total transactions: 2
Total spent: ฿1009.00
Refund rate: 0%
Auto-finalize rate: 0%
Member for: 1 months

So I send them a link to my mushroom pills in 1/8oz packs

http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/index.php/silkroad/item/2ba61d2b98

They normally reply with some shit about not wanting to have to pay for a sample of the product because they will buy a large quantity if it is good.

To which I reply

" Well, if you are not willing to spend the 2.75btc on a sample then why should I believe you have and are ready to spend 800+btc on a large order?

Besides, every kid under 18 I have ever dealt with in real life tries to pull this shit. I can not count the number of idiots I had to beat the shit out of for pulling this. If I don't believe this shit in real life face to face deals why in the hell do you think I would believe this shit on SR?"

They normally stop responding at that point, but at least I got to waist some of there time.


I do send out samples from time to time but normally to established people here on the board. Come to think of it, I normally just double there initial order. Not sure if you want to call that a free sample or not.  ;D
Title: Re: Buyers that are asking for samples.....
Post by: Skippy_Jif on August 13, 2012, 12:43 am
It's truly sad because I message people out of the blue(not knowing them) and ask them if they want a sample. Usually I do because they give stellar reviews. Sometimes I do it because of ratings(being honest). And other times I do it out of kindness. I'm sending a sample to someone for a bday present that I don't even know.

Hell, I don't mind sending samples to people that ask either, but when they have some BS excuse after I turn them down about being some top notch buyer and how they can't trust my product then I won't consider them.

I'm running a business here and if I just gave out samples all the time then I get no where. Like other vendors said in the pas, "This isn't Wal Mart!" Fuck, Wally World doesn't even give out samples. When is the last time you've seen the food samplers in the store? They're at Costco, but fucking Costco cost to be a member to just walk around the store.

Damn I hate ranting about this. It makes me feel like a complete dick!
Title: Re: Buyers that are asking for samples.....
Post by: Albert King 88 on August 13, 2012, 02:06 am
OP,

You can't feel like a dick for being real and posting up what you see from these types of people. If they really were gonna buy that much, they'd have the cash to shell out for a sample...come on now...
if you are giving out any samples at all, more power to ya. you are doing what you can to expand your business. freeloaders and cheap skates aren't good business.

the people who deserve samples are gonna be your quiet underdogs who secretly have a big wallet and desire to find a reliable vendor(s) and is testing the waters and lurking behind the scene to see who they should trust.

keep doing your thing, don't sweat the BS.

Cheers to good reviews and solid service and keeping the idea and spirit of SR alive..may u have good business come your way


i'm gonna go hit up some tar i just scored today on the streets see what its like compared to what I can find online..wish I had a camera i could do a more detailed report and comparison
Title: Re: Buyers that are asking for samples.....
Post by: Limetless on August 13, 2012, 02:16 am
Lol, OP you are over-thinking this. People who do this to me just get a torrent of free-flowing abuse, or if I am feeling lazy they get at least a "Fuck off cunt".
Title: Re: Buyers that are asking for samples.....
Post by: BlarghRawr on August 13, 2012, 02:21 am
Lol, OP you are over-thinking this. People who do this to me just get a torrent of free-flowing abuse, or if I am feeling lazy they get at least a "Fuck off cunt".
I support Lim's method.
Title: Re: Buyers that are asking for samples.....
Post by: Skippy_Jif on August 13, 2012, 02:26 am
Yeah, I should do this from now on. I guess I hurt someone's feelings because I got a negative. Must be the big spender. Then again I could care fucking less about someone's opinion of me on a forum that they spend all day long on while surfing gay porn in the other window.

:p
Title: Re: Buyers that are asking for samples.....
Post by: Limetless on August 13, 2012, 02:26 am
Lol, OP you are over-thinking this. People who do this to me just get a torrent of free-flowing abuse, or if I am feeling lazy they get at least a "Fuck off cunt".
I support Lim's method.

It's a tried and tested solution. :)
Title: Re: Buyers that are asking for samples.....
Post by: BlarghRawr on August 13, 2012, 02:29 am
Lol, OP you are over-thinking this. People who do this to me just get a torrent of free-flowing abuse, or if I am feeling lazy they get at least a "Fuck off cunt".
I support Lim's method.
It's a tried and tested solution. :)
And now i've tossed up a thread in rumor-mill to encourage folks to expose these kinds of buyers. http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=35478.0

Feel free to chip in any cunts you've had to deal with, Lim. :)
Title: Re: Buyers that are asking for samples.....
Post by: Christy Nugs on August 13, 2012, 05:39 am
I will still send out a small sample of something new with an order but don't do samples anymore.
Title: Re: Buyers that are asking for samples.....
Post by: tpebop on August 13, 2012, 08:59 am
Not a vendor, and even I agree asking for samples is a bit rude, and I like free drugs as much as anybody else does.
Title: Re: Buyers that are asking for samples.....
Post by: Turkey for Breakfast on August 13, 2012, 09:12 am
I don't understand why it is even a question. Obviously if the buyer is running a program they can plow a few bucks into paying for their own merchandise to test out the quality. We aren't sitting around a campfire face to face here with all our cards on the table, we are completely anonymous. Whats to stop the little asshole who you send a free sample to from telling his friend with a different addy to make an account and ask you a week later for the same thing?
Title: Re: Buyers that are asking for samples.....
Post by: DiscountDank on August 13, 2012, 05:54 pm
I just ignore all the fucking cunt handout beggin messages,

I love the ones: ' Hey I am a little short on BTC this week, can you spare a sample?'

 OK & how about I pay for the shipping too?
Title: Re: Buyers that are asking for samples.....
Post by: jameslink2 on August 13, 2012, 09:34 pm
From now on, I am just going to send them a link to this forum post.  :D

Title: Re: Buyers that are asking for samples.....
Post by: gaia on August 13, 2012, 10:18 pm
Let's be honest, as a representative product, a sample could be worth shit anyway. Apart from it being a freebie which is all these guys are interested in. I'm a buyer, but I would only ever expect to pay for small samples. Unless freebies were on offer of course :)
Title: Re: Buyers that are asking for samples.....
Post by: Limetless on August 13, 2012, 10:20 pm
I don't know why people accept free samples from new vendors anyway, it's the easiest way for LE to farm addresses. I certainly didn't offer freebies when I started even if I give them out every now and then now. I had paid for samples.

Title: Re: Buyers that are asking for samples.....
Post by: Skippy_Jif on August 13, 2012, 10:48 pm
What are you insinuating Lim?

I know that LE could do this, but that is called entrapment. They do this anyhow, but some vendors give out samples because they just do. Everyone is different. You and I are not alike and neither are the next 2 guys.

I admit that sending samples doesn't necessarily guarantee buys, but it is a probability I'm willing to take on my own terms. To each their own.

P.S.-That Boston Market dinner is still on the table if you're interested ;)
Title: Re: Buyers that are asking for samples.....
Post by: Limetless on August 13, 2012, 11:01 pm
What are you insinuating Lim?

I know that LE could do this, but that is called entrapment. They do this anyhow, but some vendors give out samples because they just do. Everyone is different. You and I are not alike and neither are the next 2 guys.

I admit that sending samples doesn't necessarily guarantee buys, but it is a probability I'm willing to take on my own terms. To each their own.

P.S.-That Boston Market dinner is still on the table if you're interested ;)

LOL no of course it isn't entrapment because you are actively trying to buy drugs that are advertised. Entrapment is when you are pushed into something by the police that you wouldn't normally do so they engineer you into committing the crime. Police get authorized to try and make bent sales all the time, if you didn't know that then you should staple what I am saying to the back of your hand. Also I am not saying YOU are Skippy_Jiff but look at that huge fuck up where that guy offered out H samples and then tried to blackmail people and then it happened again with The_Godfather and those other members who acted together. So when people just give away their addresses as soon as anyone says "I'm new, who wants some free shit" is extremely naive.
Title: Re: Buyers that are asking for samples.....
Post by: Skippy_Jif on August 13, 2012, 11:11 pm
I know that. What I'm saying entrapment is when an officer initiates a conversation with someone and pushes product onto them. That is entrapment. Any lawyer that gives a fuck could get this thrown out. Just because you agree doesn't make you guilty. Will you be arrested? More than likely. Will you go to prison? Depends on you/your attorney.

I agree it is naive to give away your addy to someone you don't know, but LEA thrives on this shit. Majority of convictions are successful because of scare tactics and ignorance of the law. I agree that the overwhelming majority actually commit crimes they're accused of doing, but there is also strict protocol that insures a person his right to due process. And if a copper fucks this up the case shall be tossed......again depending on you/your attorney.

And if you don't come over and get this damn chicken I guess I'm going to be having wine spritzers and leftover chicken for dinner tomorrow! :kingcrankey:
Title: Re: Buyers that are asking for samples.....
Post by: BuddhaNature on August 14, 2012, 12:22 am
Put an announcement on your account page that states that you're not doing samples.

People that have to beg for samples are not the ones that can dish out thousands for a bulk order.

If they have the money for bulk, then they should be able to purchase a small amount to sample and not have it be a big deal. Cost of doing business.
Title: Re: Buyers that are asking for samples.....
Post by: Skippy_Jif on August 14, 2012, 12:24 am
Will do. I'll update my profile tonight.
Title: Re: Buyers that are asking for samples.....
Post by: drdroopy on August 14, 2012, 12:43 am
well my recently started seller account i offered, not free but samples at a hair above cost, this will be my only sample listing. I have never asked for a free sample as a buyer so i dont expect i will be offering them as a seller, should anyone ask i will give them a listing to my normal listings. I will only offer samples (not free) when i offer a new product so i can build some feedback on said product, and i will also screen the buyers, people with low or no feedback will not be getting cheap handouts
Title: Re: Buyers that are asking for samples.....
Post by: TheGrandWizard on August 14, 2012, 01:29 am
I hate to do this, but I have to vent about recent people PMing about samples:

I don't mind giving samples at all. I generally give out samples each time I list a new item, but when people PM me saying that they will be my biggest customer if I can shill out a couple samples of my product that is already price ridicuously lower than any competitor.

When I politely decline the same ole story comes to surface. "If you can't send me a sample how can I trust you?" Fucking really? Check my feedback! I know I may not have great feedback due to a very small amount of canceled orders that were fully refunded, but there are plenty other orders that do justice for my products.

Also, there is escrow. I stay in escrow and never require FE. Come on people! If you're asking for a tiny sample and bragging that you have a big client base then just buy the damn drugs. They're priced to sell regardless of how cheap you're pushing them on the street.

Get real! Buy the product and you'll be very happy! And if you are who you say you are then in the future I will hook you up.

-and that is what really grinds my gears

I get at least one of these a week. Never mind that I'm not a bulk vendor; never mind that my main problem is not getting rid of product but keeping it in stock. There's always someone who has a bunch of clients and who is going to buy kilos from me right after I send a tiny sample just so they can be sure I'm legitimate. 
Title: Re: Buyers that are asking for samples.....
Post by: jameslink2 on August 14, 2012, 01:33 am
I get at least one of these a week. Never mind that I'm not a bulk vendor; never mind that my main problem is not getting rid of product but keeping it in stock. There's always someone who has a bunch of clients and who is going to buy kilos from me right after I send a tiny sample just so they can be sure I'm legitimate.

+1 on that!
Title: Re: Buyers that are asking for samples.....
Post by: Skippy_Jif on August 15, 2012, 09:56 pm
I hate to do this, but I have to vent about recent people PMing about samples:

I don't mind giving samples at all. I generally give out samples each time I list a new item, but when people PM me saying that they will be my biggest customer if I can shill out a couple samples of my product that is already price ridicuously lower than any competitor.

When I politely decline the same ole story comes to surface. "If you can't send me a sample how can I trust you?" Fucking really? Check my feedback! I know I may not have great feedback due to a very small amount of canceled orders that were fully refunded, but there are plenty other orders that do justice for my products.

Also, there is escrow. I stay in escrow and never require FE. Come on people! If you're asking for a tiny sample and bragging that you have a big client base then just buy the damn drugs. They're priced to sell regardless of how cheap you're pushing them on the street.

Get real! Buy the product and you'll be very happy! And if you are who you say you are then in the future I will hook you up.

-and that is what really grinds my gears

I get at least one of these a week. Never mind that I'm not a bulk vendor; never mind that my main problem is not getting rid of product but keeping it in stock. There's always someone who has a bunch of clients and who is going to buy kilos from me right after I send a tiny sample just so they can be sure I'm legitimate.
I know this is a long shot, but I'm going to buy a few kilos from you. Can I has a sample? :)
Title: Re: Buyers that are asking for samples.....
Post by: TheGrandWizard on August 16, 2012, 02:26 pm
I know this is a long shot, but I'm going to buy a few kilos from you. Can I has a sample? :)

On the day the Grand Wizard's Lair starts slinging kilos of psychedelics all you need do is remind me of this post and I will personally see to it that you receive a generous sample pack.  ;D
Title: Re: Buyers that are asking for samples.....
Post by: 34trimethoxy on August 18, 2012, 12:51 am
I hate to do this, but I have to vent about recent people PMing about samples:

I don't mind giving samples at all. I generally give out samples each time I list a new item, but when people PM me saying that they will be my biggest customer if I can shill out a couple samples of my product that is already price ridicuously lower than any competitor.

When I politely decline the same ole story comes to surface. "If you can't send me a sample how can I trust you?" Fucking really? Check my feedback! I know I may not have great feedback due to a very small amount of canceled orders that were fully refunded, but there are plenty other orders that do justice for my products.

Also, there is escrow. I stay in escrow and never require FE. Come on people! If you're asking for a tiny sample and bragging that you have a big client base then just buy the damn drugs. They're priced to sell regardless of how cheap you're pushing them on the street.

Get real! Buy the product and you'll be very happy! And if you are who you say you are then in the future I will hook you up.

-and that is what really grinds my gears

I like this mentality. I don't ask for samples - unless they are offered. Since my time on SR, I have gotten two samples. One by a new vendor for whom I responded with an honest review, and the other (you know who ha) asked ME to sample one of his products for the community since I seem to know the product well.

The first time I paid no shipping, the second time I did. I don't mind, I do it for the bettering of the community. I consider it the greater good.

But nagging for samples isn't cool. Comes with the territory tho.
Title: Re: Buyers that are asking for samples.....
Post by: trollsquad on August 18, 2012, 05:49 am
i feel asking for free samples is fucked up because the majority  of people just want free shit and might come back.

I think a easy solution  for a sample is to ask if you can pay for a single sample if your really trying to test the product it shows your not some fag trying to get free shit and it still makes the vendor money.
Title: Re: Buyers that are asking for samples.....
Post by: BlarghRawr on August 18, 2012, 06:04 am
i feel asking for free samples is fucked up because the majority  of people just want free shit and might come back.

I think a easy solution  for a sample is to ask if you can pay for a single sample if your really trying to test the product it shows your not some fag trying to get free shit and it still makes the vendor money.
Exactly how it should be done.
Title: Re: Buyers that are asking for samples.....
Post by: simplyanon on August 18, 2012, 06:07 am
I mean, if I was gonna buy a bunch of shit from a bulk vendor, Id want a sample. Notice the lack of the word "Free"...
Title: Re: Buyers that are asking for samples.....
Post by: HardHustle on August 18, 2012, 06:10 am
I hate to do this, but I have to vent about recent people PMing about samples:

I don't mind giving samples at all. I generally give out samples each time I list a new item, but when people PM me saying that they will be my biggest customer if I can shill out a couple samples of my product that is already price ridicuously lower than any competitor.

When I politely decline the same ole story comes to surface. "If you can't send me a sample how can I trust you?" Fucking really? Check my feedback! I know I may not have great feedback due to a very small amount of canceled orders that were fully refunded, but there are plenty other orders that do justice for my products.

Also, there is escrow. I stay in escrow and never require FE. Come on people! If you're asking for a tiny sample and bragging that you have a big client base then just buy the damn drugs. They're priced to sell regardless of how cheap you're pushing them on the street.

Get real! Buy the product and you'll be very happy! And if you are who you say you are then in the future I will hook you up.

-and that is what really grinds my gears

Haha! This is too perfect cuz I literally just a PM exactly like this. I mean I get it when you're a new vendor (and I certainly did my share of samples when I was new here, they know that), I get it. But if you're established? Plenty of positive feedback verifying you're legitimate? It'd make no sense to give out "samples." They can order a small amount if they want a sample.

You and I are in the same business I think (nbome right?) so I certainly get it.
Title: Re: Buyers that are asking for samples.....
Post by: lefthandspinner on August 18, 2012, 06:30 am
I don't know why people accept free samples from new vendors anyway, it's the easiest way for LE to farm addresses. I certainly didn't offer freebies when I started even if I give them out every now and then now. I had paid for samples.

they deffo scare me ,ive paid for 2 samps but only coz i trusted them as they were established vendors with new product

i dont know who or why but theres been a few who offered mad amounts of samps like happytime WTF was that 90 x .1 china white samps coke and all the rest he got 100s of addys and what ever came of it, it always looked way to dodgy to order coz of the free express shipping and unlimited samps ,i think someone said it would of cost him 10k to send samps orders taken

what happened with that and what do people think it was about
Title: Re: Buyers that are asking for samples.....
Post by: BlarghRawr on August 18, 2012, 06:38 am
I don't know why people accept free samples from new vendors anyway, it's the easiest way for LE to farm addresses. I certainly didn't offer freebies when I started even if I give them out every now and then now. I had paid for samples.

they deffo scare me ,ive paid for 2 samps but only coz i trusted them as they were established vendors with new product

i dont know who or why but theres been a few who offered mad amounts of samps like happytime WTF was that 90 x .1 china white samps coke and all the rest he got 100s of addys and what ever came of it, it always looked way to dodgy to order coz of the free express shipping and unlimited samps ,i think someone said it would of cost him 10k to send samps orders taken

what happened with that and what do people think it was about
Nothing so far and no one really knows.
Title: Re: Buyers that are asking for samples.....
Post by: Limetless on August 18, 2012, 07:04 am
If someone was a bulk buyer then surely they'd be willing to buy a sample on which the price would be reimbursed upon a larger order? If you think about it that is technically a freebee anyway.
Title: Re: Buyers that are asking for samples.....
Post by: BuddhaNature on August 18, 2012, 07:42 am
Yeah but lim I bet 90% of people that ask for free samples are just looking for free drugs. Kinda crazy that people are willing to go to those lengths to save such a small amount of money.. Just pay for your shit, people!
Title: Re: Buyers that are asking for samples.....
Post by: Limetless on August 18, 2012, 07:59 am
Yes of course but that's why they condemn themselves to be human punch bags. :)
Title: Re: Buyers that are asking for samples.....
Post by: rb10101 on August 18, 2012, 11:48 am
As a procurer of various substances and one time vendor elsewhere, I think it's reasonable that a tax should be levied for samples. I think a good practice would be to provide samples only to those stating a future bulk purchase and limit samples to 50% of their respective effective dose at a cost of 100%. This is enough material to perform qualitative and quantitative analysis and establish an idea if one would like to proceed. Anything more is a handout to a fiend.
Title: Re: Buyers that are asking for samples.....
Post by: alloyhatter on August 18, 2012, 03:32 pm
Figured I'd ask this here:

I sometimes write vendors asking for "samples". Not free samples, samples meaning, a .1-.5g for whatever price is fair, based on their 1g pricing. What do vendors think of this? I don't ask vendors who clearly state that they don't do custom listings, etc

I do this for a few reasons. Mostly because I want to know the coke scene here, want to be able to provide a comprehensive review of everything for prospective buyers. Also, because personally, I wanna find the best HQ coke on SR. I honestly will become a longterm big customer to the vendor with the best fire. ...But buying whole grams off every C vendor would leave me wasting a lot of money on crap product from the less honest vendors. Just trying to minimize losses.


As for free samples, I don't understand people who would risk the reputation of their buyer account for a fucking .25g sample. It's just kind of bummy and I would feel like a junkie trying to grub free shit.
Title: Re: Buyers that are asking for samples.....
Post by: 34trimethoxy on August 18, 2012, 03:42 pm
Figured I'd ask this here:

I sometimes write vendors asking for "samples". Not free samples, samples meaning, a .1-.5g for whatever price is fair, based on their 1g pricing. What do vendors think of this? I don't ask vendors who clearly state that they don't do custom listings, etc

I do this for a few reasons. Mostly because I want to know the coke scene here, want to be able to provide a comprehensive review of everything for prospective buyers. Also, because personally, I wanna find the best HQ coke on SR. I honestly will become a longterm big customer to the vendor with the best fire. ...But buying whole grams off every C vendor would leave me wasting a lot of money on crap product from the less honest vendors. Just trying to minimize losses.


As for free samples, I don't understand people who would risk the reputation of their buyer account for a fucking .25g sample. It's just kind of bummy and I would feel like a junkie trying to grub free shit.

I would read the Cocaine review thread, shoot some PM's, and do some searching to find the best Cocaine on the road. I can tell you some names from my research, but honestly they are second hand accounts and probably not worth your while. Unless they are small time, most of my experience tells me most vendors won't do under a gram unless they have it listed. Not worth the risk. Especially coke.

Read the reviews, they are established for a reason.

Italiono has FIRE btw.
Title: Re: Buyers that are asking for samples.....
Post by: Skippy_Jif on August 18, 2012, 08:42 pm
If someone was a bulk buyer then surely they'd be willing to buy a sample on which the price would be reimbursed upon a larger order? If you think about it that is technically a freebee anyway.

Oh, must definitely! The problem is that  majority of the people asking for free sample are just fucking children who are looking for a hand out. Honestly, since I got all these fucking tire kickers I have installed a new criteria. If you ask me a bunch of questions that are clearly laid out in my profile and don't buy, I'll fucking blacklist you! People can get around this by starting another account, but really, who are you hurting besides me because you're wasting your time as well. Just fucking order and you'll be extremely happy when you receive it.