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Title: Attention: First British Arrests In Silk Road Case
Post by: NorthernStar on October 08, 2013, 01:51 pm
First British Silk Road suspects arrested by new National Crime Agency
Four men suspected of being significant users of Silk Road, the billion dollar online narcotics bazaar, have been arrested in the UK, The Daily Telegraph can disclose.

The arrests were the first in the UK following the collapse of the world's biggest internet drug dealing hub and the detention of its alleged founder Ross Ulbricht, 29, in San Francisco by the FBI last week.
One man in his early 50s was held in Devon and three others in their early 20s were arrested in Manchester on suspicion of supplying controlled drugs.
They are being investigated by the newly formed National Crime Agency, which launched on Monday with 4,000 officers and has vowed to instill "fear" into organised criminals.
More British suspects linked to Silk Road, which had hundreds of thousands of users, are expected to be detained in coming weeks.
Keith Bristow, the NCA’s Director General, said: “These arrests send a clear message to criminals, the hidden internet isn't hidden and your anonymous activity isn't anonymous. We know where you are, what you are doing and we will catch you.
"It is impossible for criminals to completely erase their digital footprint. No matter how technology-savvy the offender, they will always make mistakes and this brings law enforcement closer to them."
Ulbricht appeared in court in San Francisco on Friday and is accused of operating under the internet moniker "Dread Pirate Roberts" to run Silk Road.
The FBI claims the website facilitated $1.2 billion in sales in less than two years, with Ulbricht taking $80 million in commissions.
It was used by drug dealers around the globe to advertise their products for sale including heroin, LSD, cocaine and cannabis. It was also used by computer hackers and hit men to offer their services in many countries
Referred to as an "anonymous Amazon," it was part of what investigators call the hidden "dark web," where users are more difficult to track.
Using technology first developed by the US Navy communications are bounced off servers around the world.
People using the site to buy drugs also used the virtual currency Bitcoin to lessen the chances of being detected.
After sales were agreed drugs were sent through the regular post between vendors and buyers with consignments vacuum packed to avoid discovery.
According to a 33-page FBI affidavit filed in San Francisco there were 957,079 user accounts on Silk Road.
About 30 per cent of those were in the United States and the country with the next highest number of users was the UK. The agency did not say how many users there were in the UK.
The UK arrests were carried out by National Crime Agency officers who were working closely with American law enforcement agencies, and took place hours after Ulbricht was held in San Francisco.
Andy Archibald, head of the NCA's National Cyber Crime Unit, said: “This is only the start of a wider campaign to tackle the ‘dark’ or ‘deep’ web and the criminals exploiting it.
“These criminal areas of the internet aren’t just selling drugs. It’s where fraud takes place, where the trafficking of people and goods is discussed, where child abuse images are exchanged and firearms are traded."

Devon and Manchester Ooh arr how bizzare
Title: Re: Attention: First British Arrests In Silk Road Case
Post by: NorthernStar on October 08, 2013, 01:59 pm
There must be some very worried people indeed, Imagine us all in court. All 300,000 of us!
Title: Re: Attention: First British Arrests In Silk Road Case
Post by: PlutoPete on October 08, 2013, 02:02 pm
I'm the one arrested in Devon, anyone know who the others are?
Title: Re: Attention: First British Arrests In Silk Road Case
Post by: realdeals on October 08, 2013, 02:03 pm
come at me bro , I will eat you're balls before I go in prison
Title: Re: Attention: First British Arrests In Silk Road Case
Post by: Evoc on October 08, 2013, 02:09 pm
It makes ya think after reading that!!

Do ye think it was just their lack of security or not using pgp which got them caught or is there something bigger we're missing here which may actually allow them to trace all users that they want???


Peace out,
Evoc.
Title: Re: Attention: First British Arrests In Silk Road Case
Post by: AussieMitch on October 08, 2013, 02:12 pm
Can anyone confirm that Goldust is safe?

I am worried about him, I was in regular contact with him before he disappeared and his hasn't responded on his backup contact details.
Title: Re: Attention: First British Arrests In Silk Road Case
Post by: This_is_not_SOCA on October 08, 2013, 02:39 pm
And so it begins....

They have two main sources of information at present

1) They have the server images from SR - the feds gave this to SOCA, er, NCA. This gives them the following:
   a) All unencrypted PM's - I need say no more
   b) Transaction logs - if they have managed to pick apart the database schema, and i would imagine that they have, then it is likely they have a full list of transactions conducted on SR since the start. Doesn't mean they can tie SR usernames to real world identities depending on how careful you have been.
  c) Bitcoin transactions - a bit more blurry here depending on how good/bad the tumbler was

2) Vendor records: We have yet to see the effect of this and it is down to how careful vendors are with address details. Hopefully most vendors are not retaining customer details or orders.

If all of your sensitive PMs are encrypted then assume they have got nothing other than transaction logs which they will be unable to attribute to a real-world identity.

If you sent a single PM with your address, phone number, name etc in then, unfortunately, that immediately compromises that SR user and any transactions/history associated with it. Not enough to tie it to use conclusively but enough for them to start digging further into phone records, bank records etc. The fact is though anything from SR is unlikely to constitute very strong evidence on it's own.

IF YOU ARE CONCERNED THEN:

1) Clean house - obviously. The only real evidence is real evidence - not some tenuous electronic trail
2) backup necessary details from your computers onto a truecrypt USB stick and then nuke the hard disk ( see http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=216533.0 ) - ensure that the USB stick is not in your possession - remember *you can be compelled to hand over the pasphrase by law*

IF ANYONE NEEDS DEFENSE TECHNICAL EXPERT WITNESS (Europe only) THEN LET ME KNOW VIA This_is_not_soca@safe-mail.net - I KNOW PEOPLE WHO CAN PROBABLY HELP WHETHER THAT IS TALKING WITH YOUR SOLICITOR OR ATTENDING COURT. NO PROMISES OTHER THAN I PROMISE THAT WE WILL TRY. WE CAN OFTEN UNDERMINE TECHNICAL EVIDENCE AND AT THE VERY LEAST WE WILL MAKE THE PROSECUTION WORK THEIR ASSES OFF WHERE YOUR CASE RESTS LARGELY ON TECHNICAL EVIDENCE.

Stay Safe
Title: Re: Attention: First British Arrests In Silk Road Case
Post by: generalm3sS on October 08, 2013, 02:42 pm
I saw this article and thought it could have been Ivory... To produce LSD you have to know someone with some wicked skill set and a bit more! This is limited to say the least and would make things quicker/easier to trace. The was i read it was 4 people together, Not separate but if it is separate i doubt it was Ivory.

Just think, Your taking your place in history and you play your part in changing the minds of the general public and show the world is not as evil as they want you to believe. Drop the fear of incarceration and then you will truly see/feel what it like to be truly free!

It's obvious the general public is falling on side of us rather than the scripted lines of any government or LE. People are awake to there crimes now so when something like this happens, Someone fills there shoes rather rapidly and the world moves forward, Been woken even more to the realities we all face.

Be strong and stand up to your place in time, No matter how big or small, You are still an integral part of the human consciousness, Our own mycilian world. Drop the fear of death and punishment that they prey upon you with and do whatever you can to wake people around you.

THe next generation will be fearless, They have nothing to lose.....

Peace
Title: Re: Attention: First British Arrests In Silk Road Case
Post by: Quizitix on October 08, 2013, 02:44 pm
Does anyone have information on who these people are?

Their users on SR?

I presume they are vendors? Could be customer bulk buyers though i suppose.
Title: Re: Attention: First British Arrests In Silk Road Case
Post by: MarcelKetman on October 08, 2013, 02:45 pm
I think it might be time to retire.
Title: Re: Attention: First British Arrests In Silk Road Case
Post by: Quizitix on October 08, 2013, 02:50 pm
I think it might be time to retire.

Until the next era of anonymous marketplaces! :)
Title: Re: Attention: First British Arrests In Silk Road Case
Post by: queryox on October 08, 2013, 03:06 pm
It says they were supplying the drugs, so most likely a vendor(s). I only think that because all in there early 20's and in Manchester? I think they all might be part of the same Vendor? If so, it must be a large one if there are 4 people concerned in packaging, runs etc.

Need some more information really. I think all vendors who bought off other Vendors on SR though are at risk....
Title: Re: Attention: First British Arrests In Silk Road Case
Post by: kittenfluff on October 08, 2013, 03:12 pm
I'm the one arrested in Devon, anyone know who the others are?

Wow, back on here after the bust? Did you get warned off this kind of activity at all? Though, posting to a forum isn't illegal.... yet....

Anyhow, hope they don't screw you too bad x
Title: Re: Attention: First British Arrests In Silk Road Case
Post by: doink on October 08, 2013, 03:19 pm
I'm the one arrested in Devon, anyone know who the others are?

Understand if you don't wish to answer this but were any of your seized packages on route to Manchester?
Title: Re: Attention: First British Arrests In Silk Road Case
Post by: gimmemoredrugs on October 08, 2013, 03:55 pm
LINKS

http://news.sky.com/story/1151033/british-fbi-style-crime-agency-starts-work

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/silk-road-drugs-website-three-6157984
Title: Re: Attention: First British Arrests In Silk Road Case
Post by: MarcelKetman on October 08, 2013, 04:03 pm
I'm the one arrested in Devon, anyone know who the others are?

Understand if you don't wish to answer this but were any of your seized packages on route to Manchester?

Very good question. We know how they found you Pete but we have no insights on the others.
Title: Re: Attention: First British Arrests In Silk Road Case
Post by: NorthernStar on October 08, 2013, 04:06 pm
I'm the one arrested in Devon, anyone know who the others are?
Jesus, mate sorry to hear that!
Mate how come they have let you keep your account, Is there any heads up you can give us?

How did they nick you? what with? who came through the door? what time was it? did they take your password from main site. please answer.
Title: Re: Attention: First British Arrests In Silk Road Case
Post by: gimmemoredrugs on October 08, 2013, 04:14 pm
Ya but it says that they had help from the FBI catching these guys...so how did the FBI know who they were just by their vendor account information?  PM's?
Title: Re: Attention: First British Arrests In Silk Road Case
Post by: NorthernStar on October 08, 2013, 04:18 pm
Ya but it says that they had help from the FBI catching these guys...so how did the FBI know who they were just by their vendor account information?  PM's?
Precisely mate, it's either lack of PGP or some other sinister means (like a midnight mass) I hope to god they don't go after every single buyer, disregarding their  status as a bulk or occasional buyer, and hit us with conspiracy, or being concerned in the supply of drugs.
Title: Re: Attention: First British Arrests In Silk Road Case
Post by: Evoc on October 08, 2013, 04:34 pm
Hoping "PlutoPete" drops by to give some helpful info on all this.

If some of his outwards packages (none of which were illegal) were destined for Manchester area then this will reduce a lot of fear among anyone following this thread and may explain the Manchester thing.

But on the other hand, if none were to be sent there then I feel there is reason to stay very cautious of proceedings for all.

Again, it could be down to something as simple as lack of encryption on messages which they are working off and I actually believe this is the only clues these NCA donks are going on.

Peace out,
Evoc
Title: Re: Attention: First British Arrests In Silk Road Case
Post by: ProEvo on October 08, 2013, 04:36 pm
'Like a midnight mass' haha that had me creasing mate!

PlutoPete was on the other say saying he had been pulled in by the cops. (I have just noticed he has posted on this thread)

I'm really interested to know who the guys in Msnchester are. Has anyone noticed a big uk vendor disappear?  Probably too many to name. Really hope they don't get fucked over though, but they must have been doing a lot business if there was so many people.
Title: Re: Attention: First British Arrests In Silk Road Case
Post by: NorthernStar on October 08, 2013, 04:46 pm
I know mate, intrigued about the manny (Manchester) connection. There is a few top UK  vendors who  have disappeared. Has any one seen Topnotch? Jimmy Boyle, they both knock out class A's and could be top of list. Oh no, that sky news story is saying 8 arrests now, Essex, Merseyside, Devon, and a few more, not looking good.
Title: Re: Attention: First British Arrests In Silk Road Case
Post by: PlutoPete on October 08, 2013, 04:59 pm
The manchester busts had nothing to do with my orders, it looks like we were all hit at the same time so i don't know why it's only getting reported now.
Title: Re: Attention: First British Arrests In Silk Road Case
Post by: Evoc on October 08, 2013, 05:09 pm
Thanks for checking in Pete....

Fuckers anyways.... Surely it must be lack of encryption at some stage in there vending life which exposed them?

The possibilities of them being able to identify people in other ways is scary and i'm sure it'll never be disclosed to the public if they know something we don't :(

I'm just hoping lack of PGP is all they're going by.

Hope whoever they've caught don't get screwed over either :(

Peace out,
Evoc
Title: Re: Attention: First British Arrests In Silk Road Case
Post by: This_is_not_SOCA on October 08, 2013, 05:20 pm
The manchester busts had nothing to do with my orders, it looks like we were all hit at the same time so i don't know why it's only getting reported now.

Because SOCA  wanted to announce their re-branding to NCA with a bang hence the press releases and general coverage - trying to repair their reputation after the resignation of their director in August and the faux-grilling they got from parliament and the press for refusing to give evidence in the dodgy private investigators case recently - many of whom were ex-SOCA/NCS/HMRC/Police etc.

Expect more of the same for a few days, they'll go all quiet when they fuck something big up which I'm sure won't take them very long.


Title: Re: Attention: First British Arrests In Silk Road Case
Post by: ProEvo on October 08, 2013, 05:53 pm
Jimmy Boyle has migrated to Sheep for sure, not sure about BMR. Now Topnotch is an interesting one. I had purchased from him a few times in the past and judging by his feedback he was knocking out a fair amount of gear. Really hope it's not him. Has anyman got links to the news stories about all these busts?
Title: Re: Attention: First British Arrests In Silk Road Case
Post by: sandl4nd on October 08, 2013, 07:40 pm
Names coming to mind are symbiosis, TechnoHippy :/ at a guess.
Title: Re: Attention: First British Arrests In Silk Road Case
Post by: NorthernStar on October 08, 2013, 07:43 pm
Cheers for the input/info people.

ProEvo  me too here they are courtesy of gimmemoredrugs..     http://news.sky.com/story/1151033/british-fbi-style-crime-agency-starts-work

and       http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/silk-road-drugs-website-three-6157984
Title: Re: Attention: First British Arrests In Silk Road Case
Post by: PlutoPete on October 08, 2013, 08:19 pm
This report says they seized millions in bitcoins in the UK busts, they only got a few grand from me so those Manchester dudes must have been a big operation.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/08/silk-road-arrest-bitcoin_n_4063300.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000003
Title: Re: Attention: First British Arrests In Silk Road Case
Post by: flwrchlds9 on October 08, 2013, 08:25 pm
PP - if really you, best of luck with your case. Sad to see you were caught up in this.

This was reported right after it happened many days ago and we knew you part of it. Don know why this late report released maybe with more details.

Products you were sell should tell us all more info. How did they get you, were current packages caught, was any address info compromised, etc.?

PM us.

Title: Re: Attention: First British Arrests In Silk Road Case
Post by: montanamo9 on October 08, 2013, 08:29 pm
Don't panic guys, if your smart encrypting evrything leaving no prints or traces on the packages your sending etc.. you should be fine.. Theyre only going for the HUUUGE vendors and since they can get to them they MUST have made mistakes of some sort, trashtalking leaving too much personal info didnt encrypt enough ..
I pray for TechnoHippy to come online soon and leave a mark that he's safe tho! Symbs aswell.. Marcel and sub is fine uk ket vends.. and remember;

FUCK THE POLICE
ACAB!!
Title: Re: Attention: First British Arrests In Silk Road Case
Post by: queryox on October 08, 2013, 08:54 pm
Could that huffington post news report be merging the UK busts and the bitcoins seized in the UK raids..? Its the only website that reports that millions of dollars in bitcoins were seized.. also it would be millions of dollars in british pounds,,, not dollars.

Dispater anyone? The top coke dealers Llyodsbrothers.. etc There were a few other big C dealers..
Title: Re: Attention: First British Arrests In Silk Road Case
Post by: sandl4nd on October 08, 2013, 08:54 pm
Thing is, if that news article is correct and accurate that PP posted, the "millions in £/$ seized" must narrow vendors down to a select few?
Title: Re: Attention: First British Arrests In Silk Road Case
Post by: sandl4nd on October 08, 2013, 08:55 pm
Could that huffington post news report be merging the UK busts and the bitcoins seized in the UK raids..? Its the only website that reports that millions of dollars in bitcoins were seized.. also it would be millions of dollars in british pounds,,, not dollars.

Dispater anyone? The top coke dealers Llyodsbrothers.. etc

LB posted a few days ago that he wasn't moving to another site and may not be back.
Title: Re: Attention: First British Arrests In Silk Road Case
Post by: Meerkovo on October 08, 2013, 08:57 pm
One rule I tried to tell many, treat every package suspect, let's leave it to trade secrets.


However, without exposing anyone further, I had a rough idea where techno was located, I have spoken to technohippy before, he's really nice a chap, let's hope the best for him.


In addition, DrCol has seemed to have checked in since 2nd october.


UK had many big time vendors, it would be good if they can check in, just to let all know everything is fine.


They shouldn't have any reason to kick my door in, but if they do, in the next few weeks, I will be sure to give a heads up.


Meerkovo
Title: Re: Attention: First British Arrests In Silk Road Case
Post by: queryox on October 08, 2013, 09:00 pm
Just like to point out that there were also co-ordinated raids this morning in Manchester, its probally un-related but it got pushed down the que in the News section, instead the SR busts taking the limelight.

Quote
Police investigating drug dealing raided seven homes across Greater Manchester this morning.

They smashed down doors in Cheetham Hill, Oldham and south Manchester just before dawn.

The five men, aged between 27 and 29, were arrested.

They were being quizzed today on suspicion of possession of class B drugs with intent to supply, possession of a firearm and possession of ammunition.

Non-SR related it seems, anyway it says the people who were arrested in Manchester was co-ordinated with the take down of SR, and at the same time as plutopete though its only being reported now. Whoever they were they didn't want them being scared off by the shutdown.
Title: Re: Attention: First British Arrests In Silk Road Case
Post by: danb15 on October 08, 2013, 09:08 pm
Fuck this so many people getting nicked, hope no1 else gets fucked by this...

I got new laptops old ones burned, checking out of here will see you on the other side...

Stay safe everyone
Title: Re: Attention: First British Arrests In Silk Road Case
Post by: mary666 on October 08, 2013, 09:20 pm
So if someone didn't encrypt their address (hypothetically speaking of course) and was buying small amounts of weed, nothing over an oz but from UK and Canada, should they be worried or not at all as its small personal amounts??

On a a side note, I've just watched "Pride of Britian" awards, glad the Hillsborough disaster familys got an award. The police lied about 96 fans dying and blamed them for over 20 year and we're the scum?? Yeah Right!!! Fuckin disgusting!!!!
Title: Re: Attention: First British Arrests In Silk Road Case
Post by: NorthernStar on October 08, 2013, 09:34 pm
So if someone didn't encrypt their address (hypothetically speaking of course) and was buying small amounts of weed, nothing over an oz but from UK and Canada, should they be worried or not at all as its small personal amounts??

On a a side note, I've just watched "Pride of Britian" awards, glad the Hillsborough disaster familys got an award. The police lied about 96 fans dying and blamed them for over 20 year and we're the scum?? Yeah Right!!! Fuckin disgusting!!!!
Hi mary, ..That's the exact position I'm in hun ( hypothetically speaking ) I think we will be OK, looks like they are knocking the main so called 1% ers, the cream of silkroad, now that doesn't mean they won't get round to us, but we are in a stronger position than a vendor. After all where is the evidence? smoked

Hillsborough, I know despicable, lying scumbags who don't deserve to wear a uniform. Once we get that Bettison in the dock where he belongs, the truth will out.
Title: Re: Attention: First British Arrests In Silk Road Case
Post by: isallmememe on October 08, 2013, 09:35 pm
i thought sr didn't store addresses after the vendor had seen them? ..i thought they were automatically deleted after the item got marked in transit. i mean dpr was always funny about vendors storing customer addresses and i'm sure i read that somewhere on here..
Title: Re: Attention: First British Arrests In Silk Road Case
Post by: NorthernStar on October 08, 2013, 09:39 pm
i thought sr didn't store addresses after the vendor had seen them? ..i thought they were automatically deleted after the item got marked in transit. i mean dpr was always funny about vendors storing customer addresses and i'm sure i read that somewhere on here..
Hi mate, I personally think DPR or admin kept a record of the top vendors, or the most value deals.
Title: Re: Attention: First British Arrests In Silk Road Case
Post by: montanamo9 on October 08, 2013, 09:40 pm
So if someone didn't encrypt their address (hypothetically speaking of course) and was buying small amounts of weed, nothing over an oz but from UK and Canada, should they be worried or not at all as its small personal amounts??

On a a side note, I've just watched "Pride of Britian" awards, glad the Hillsborough disaster familys got an award. The police lied about 96 fans dying and blamed them for over 20 year and we're the scum?? Yeah Right!!! Fuckin disgusting!!!!


Im pretty sure they wont go after small buyers, incase they'll do it'll probably just be some kind of warning/a bill to pay i mean 5g mdma wont give you jail looool not even 50-100 depends which country your in tho..
going for the small fish wont accomplish anything for them at all.. even taking SR down wont give them anything .. they can't win against freedomfighters against anonymous.. jeez i hate the government fuck barack osama burn in hell..
Title: Re: Attention: First British Arrests In Silk Road Case
Post by: sandl4nd on October 08, 2013, 09:51 pm
i thought sr didn't store addresses after the vendor had seen them? ..i thought they were automatically deleted after the item got marked in transit. i mean dpr was always funny about vendors storing customer addresses and i'm sure i read that somewhere on here..

There does seem to be a lot of speculation, but I don't think anyone has got a concrete answer yet?
Title: Re: Attention: First British Arrests In Silk Road Case
Post by: MasterGrow on October 08, 2013, 09:53 pm
Thinking more and more it's gotta be techno, :(

them and subT where the biggest uk vendors by a fair bit.
Title: Re: Attention: First British Arrests In Silk Road Case
Post by: commodore64 on October 08, 2013, 09:54 pm
This report says they seized millions in bitcoins in the UK busts, they only got a few grand from me so those Manchester dudes must have been a big operation.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/08/silk-road-arrest-bitcoin_n_4063300.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000003

Snitch
Title: Re: Attention: First British Arrests In Silk Road Case
Post by: sandl4nd on October 08, 2013, 09:57 pm
Thinking more and more it's gotta be techno, :(

them and subT where the biggest uk vendors by a fair bit.

SubT=Subtickle or someone else? ;o

My gut is telling me TH as well tbh :( Sad times if it is.
Title: Re: Attention: First British Arrests In Silk Road Case
Post by: NorthernStar on October 08, 2013, 10:00 pm
Thinking more and more it's gotta be techno, :(

them and subT where the biggest uk vendors by a fair bit.

SubT=Subtickle or someone else? ;o

My gut is telling me TH as well tbh :( Sad times if it is.
Really? they both weren't in stealth though.
Title: Re: Attention: First British Arrests In Silk Road Case
Post by: mnak on October 08, 2013, 10:02 pm
i thought sr didn't store addresses after the vendor had seen them? ..i thought they were automatically deleted after the item got marked in transit. i mean dpr was always funny about vendors storing customer addresses and i'm sure i read that somewhere on here..

The feds have had access to the SR marketplace server since at least July giving them an opportunity to capture a lot of addresses.
Title: Re: Attention: First British Arrests In Silk Road Case
Post by: sandl4nd on October 08, 2013, 10:03 pm

Really? they both weren't in stealth though.

I've seen subtickle (sp?) posting around saying they are moving to sheep & BMR, not seen a thing from TH amongst other big UK vendors.
Title: Re: Attention: First British Arrests In Silk Road Case
Post by: montanamo9 on October 08, 2013, 10:19 pm

Really? they both weren't in stealth though.

I've seen subtickle (sp?) posting around saying they are moving to sheep & BMR, not seen a thing from TH amongst other big UK vendors.

True subtickle around, but technohippy haven't been online since ages ago on this forum and nobody's heard from him or anything, can only be him sadd he had the best ket ever!! and best gear for smokers
Title: Re: Attention: First British Arrests In Silk Road Case
Post by: IForgotMyFuckingPassword on October 08, 2013, 11:17 pm
So if someone didn't encrypt their address (hypothetically speaking of course) and was buying small amounts of weed, nothing over an oz but from UK and Canada, should they be worried or not at all as its small personal amounts??
No. They were all suppliers (I'm assuming that means vendors/big time buyers). What would be the point?
Title: Re: Attention: First British Arrests In Silk Road Case
Post by: IForgotMyFuckingPassword on October 08, 2013, 11:22 pm
i thought sr didn't store addresses after the vendor had seen them? ..i thought they were automatically deleted after the item got marked in transit. i mean dpr was always funny about vendors storing customer addresses and i'm sure i read that somewhere on here..

I also thought there was a back-up plan and a succession plan, but that turned out to be untrue. At this point I wouldn't take anything at face value. I'm not sure why we were so trusting.

But I don't understand why small-time buyers are so fucking paranoid. Must be a side effect of all the weed/coke/speed/whatever-the-fuck-they're-high-on
Title: Re: Attention: First British Arrests In Silk Road Case
Post by: 12345qwertasdfgzxcvb on October 08, 2013, 11:26 pm
i have bought the odd 50g of bud in the past (cheaper to buy a bit of small bulk for persie than these silly 10s and 20s all the time), and ordered an eighth of weed not encrypted the day before the feds took the site.

im para as fuck, and the sad thing is that the police i feel will try to make examples of even the petty ''crimes''.

what they do not realise is now they have shut down the road, corner dealers are going to make an even bigger fortune. so they have made a pointless statement here. instead of discreet weed purchasing that caused no problems or offence to anyone i now have to go old school. what a pointless move by them. they only did it for the free money.

they may of took only 60 quid of my btc but it wasn't illegal to have bitcoin nor had it been used for illegal purposes. i hadn't bought anything with it and it was just there stored. now i only lost 60 quid (around 100usd) when others have lost soooo much more. i feel for those people!
Title: Re: Attention: First British Arrests In Silk Road Case
Post by: Ben on October 09, 2013, 12:43 am
As a small buyer i would not worry that much.

Perhaps you've ordered 50 grams of pot in several shipments, which seems to be no big deal, and since the evidence of that has probably literally gone up in smoke by now, it would be a case that takes law enforcement a lot of effort without getting a conviction beyond possession for personal use (if even that).

For arresting small time buyers and users this is simply too much work: police can round those up in any number they want on the streets, caught red handed exchanging cash for drugs. The burden of proof in an online transaction is much more difficult, even if you had been placing your orders without using PGP and the server falling into the hands of a foreign government.

Most buyers use a fake name to receive goods on, despite some using their home address. It would be very very difficult to get a conviction out of some conversation that cannot be tied to your IP address (since you were using TOR), nor leaving a solid money trail (as you were using BTC).

I'm not saying it is impossible to proof it, just that it is overly difficult compared to just rounding up some kid of the street that just bought an ounce of pot from a dealer on any random street. For law enforcement results count, and putting a terrible amount of resources into something that isn't likely to yield result (i.e. conviction) is just a waste of time.
Title: Re: Attention: First British Arrests In Silk Road Case
Post by: This_is_not_SOCA on October 09, 2013, 12:52 am
As a small buyer i would not worry that much.

Perhaps you've ordered 50 grams of pot in several shipments, which seems to be no big deal, and since the evidence of that has probably literally gone up in smoke by now, it would be a case that takes law enforcement a lot of effort without getting a conviction beyond possession for personal use (if even that).

For arresting small time buyers and users this is simply too much work: police can round those up in any number they want on the streets, caught red handed exchanging cash for drugs. The burden of proof in an online transaction is much more difficult, even if you had been placing your orders without using PGP and the server falling into the hands of a foreign government.

Most buyers use a fake name to receive goods on, despite some using their home address. It would be very very difficult to get a conviction out of some conversation that cannot be tied to your IP address (since you were using TOR), nor leaving a solid money trail (as you were using BTC).

I'm not saying it is impossible to proof it, just that it is overly difficult compared to just rounding up some kid of the street that just bought an ounce of pot from a dealer on any random street. For law enforcement results count, and putting a terrible amount of resources into something that isn't likely to yield result (i.e. conviction) is just a waste of time.

Exactly. Anything from Silk Road is not hard evidence, yes it is evidence but by itself it is not enough.

The guys getting busted now have probably been under surveillance for at least 2 months, and that is assuming they were not already before NCA  got their hands on the information from the SR server.

Fact is if they deemed you high value enough they would have then been looking at call records, bank records, internet records (except tor of course) your associations and potentially even close surveillance and this is what they use as evidence, in court. The SR information may have acted as the seed for some of the targeted surveillance and investigation which then led to the busts but it can only be used, at best, to support more real-world evidence.

Without that real-world evidence the information from SR is really fairly worthless from a legal perspective - please remember that if you find yourself in a spot or have great angst.
Title: Re: Attention: First British Arrests In Silk Road Case
Post by: gimmemoredrugs on October 09, 2013, 12:53 am
I've been thinking about it all day and I think I've got a theory to how they knew who these guys were....now this is just a theory and I have no evidence but it is the best I can come up with.  Either the feds were tracking them like they did NOD (very unlikely since they are in britain), or they somehow linked them to bitcoins that drugs were purchased with.  Anyone with millions of pounds of bitcoins is gonna need to cash them out somehow....I'm guessing the feds made a vendor account and were sending cash in the mail for their bitcoins (again just speculation)...but this would explain how the feds knew these individuals and their addresses.....the british police said there will be more arrests, so maybe the feds have more names, but I doubt it...otherwise what are they waiting for?
Title: Re: Attention: First British Arrests In Silk Road Case
Post by: Pharmington Rex on October 09, 2013, 02:14 am
We're all fine here. :)
Title: Re: Attention: First British Arrests In Silk Road Case
Post by: MarcelKetman on October 09, 2013, 09:31 am
Wish British journalists would pull their finger out regarding the Manchester case and get the details.

2 down in Sweden now as well apparently: http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/uk-police-arrest-seize-currency-silk-road-20505213
Title: Re: Attention: First British Arrests In Silk Road Case
Post by: kittenfluff on October 09, 2013, 10:11 am
So if someone didn't encrypt their address (hypothetically speaking of course) and was buying small amounts of weed, nothing over an oz but from UK and Canada, should they be worried or not at all as its small personal amounts??

On a a side note, I've just watched "Pride of Britian" awards, glad the Hillsborough disaster familys got an award. The police lied about 96 fans dying and blamed them for over 20 year and we're the scum?? Yeah Right!!! Fuckin disgusting!!!!

I suspect they won't bother, even if they had the address. There are a couple of glaring holes in our knowledge; first, we know they had in image of the site dated end of July (24th?), but there is no indication either way they had access to the site between then and DPR's bust on 3rd Oct. They were certainly very interested in getting Ross with his laptop on and signed in, which indicates they wanted access keys, but then how could they have read server image without them? I'm guessing the access to the server was encrypted, but data was either partially or fully unencrypted. However, it is a strong possibility that they couldn't access anything between the imaging and the bust, including orders and addresses. Also, we have to hope that it wasn't BS that addresses were deleted after orders were marked 'in transit'. Both those things being true, then the only window of vulnerability is anyone with orders 'pending' at the time the image was taken. Fingers crossed. Any PMs might be an issue though - they seem to have alot of those going way back, so I hope no one 'hypothetically' put anything sensitive there...

The other point, that others have made, is that they are unlikely to go after small-time buyers as they REALLY need to find drugs at someone's house to get a conviction. Data from SR or the forum and the like is all very good supporting evidence, but in the UK the law pertains to 'possession' of drugs - that's why you can't be arrested for being high unless you're causing some kind of disturbance. I dunno about you, but my house is CLEAN now just in case. So what if they had an address vaguely connected to me or some next tenuous digital connection, I don't have any drugs. I can't see the CPS gunning for a conviction there, so the fuzz probably won't waste their time on it beyond trying to trick you into confessing... x


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Wish British journalists would pull their finger out regarding the Manchester case and get the details.

2 down in Sweden now as well apparently: http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/uk-police-arrest-seize-currency-silk-road-20505213

Yeah, but TBH it's all pretty below the radar. VERY little on the main news services, even the Guardian. I'd love more info... I am dead surprised they're not making a bigger song and dance about the whole thing, patting each other on the back. Guess they consider OpSec more important...
Title: Re: Attention: First British Arrests In Silk Road Case
Post by: mary666 on October 09, 2013, 10:42 am
Thanks for the replies :) I'm not paranoid, just curious as to whether they'd have bothered more about bringing it in from Canada but I guess not. :)
Title: Re: Attention: First British Arrests In Silk Road Case
Post by: flyspray on October 09, 2013, 01:59 pm
When I read about this new national crime agency I thought it sounds more like a US agency operating in the UK. Im not saying the 4000 are american they wouldnt be but I thought they would be operating under some US guidance and surprised surprise at the bottom of the article it says they are working closely with the US authorities. So they are working together. Which really means working for the US. When ever we work 'with' the US it means 'for' the US.

On the bright side they are saying 'the hidden web isnt hidden, and the anonymous profiles and activities are not anonymous'. They can track where every one is and what every one is doing. If that was the case they wouldnt tell everyone they would just arrest them all. Them announcing that to me implies it is not the case. They are releasing that information to deter people rather than to let every one know they are going to arrest them.

Although what worries me is the UK has a law it wont extradite people to another country which uses capital punishment. Yet they always extradite someone if the US government whats them to. They also have a law that no outside agency is allowed to operate while armed on out shores. Yet when Bush went to UK he brought his Secret Service armed of course coz he wont go anywhere with out his armed guard. Im not saying people with guns are coming just its a worrying trend of disregarding British law in the case of the US government wanting it to happen.

4000 new people in the NCA and about 300,000 british users thats a ratio of 1 to 100. These are rough figures but a reminder that volume is on our side.
Title: Re: Attention: First British Arrests In Silk Road Case
Post by: flyspray on October 09, 2013, 02:14 pm
So if someone didn't encrypt their address (hypothetically speaking of course) and was buying small amounts of weed, nothing over an oz but from UK and Canada, should they be worried or not at all as its small personal amounts??

On a a side note, I've just watched "Pride of Britian" awards, glad the Hillsborough disaster familys got an award. The police lied about 96 fans dying and blamed them for over 20 year and we're the scum?? Yeah Right!!! Fuckin disgusting!!!!

As someone else has already commented the use of TOR and SR doesnt really change anything for the buyer. The buyer still has to be caught in the act IRL. You need to be arrested in possession of a controlled substance. Only then will that person be charged with possessing that amount of the controlled substance what ever that may be. Just look at it as the same as buying it on the street. In one case it is put in your hand buy the seller in the other it is put into your hand by the seller via the post service. Theres not much difference other than the defense of saying I did not ask for it, which I dont know if it would stand up in court, would depend on the other evidence.

I dont think the police can be blamed for the Hilsborough disaster. It is not easy controlling 100,000 people crammed into a few streets. The police are now actually very very good at controlling the masses of people at these huge events. The result being an improvement of survelliance and control of the masses. Your demands shared by many many people have given the authorities the justification needed to take away personal freedoms. It spread from 'crowd control' to 'population control'. Seems funny to me someone using this particular forum while complaining the police dont exercise enough control over people.
Title: Re: Attention: First British Arrests In Silk Road Case
Post by: mary666 on October 09, 2013, 03:15 pm
Actually I was talking about the police lying for over 20 yr and blaming fans for something which was not their fault!!
Title: Re: Attention: First British Arrests In Silk Road Case
Post by: draganeee on October 09, 2013, 03:28 pm
Hi everyone,

I've been reading SR forum with great interest. I'm really sad to hear about all the busts in UK, USA and Sweden.
This is a notice for everyone who "survived" this shit that PGP is a MUST without any exception. Also vendors should wear gloves while packing for everyones saftey. Every suspicious vendor/package/deal should be warned on forum so other people can take extra precautions.
Sorry new vendors on BMR and sheep but I'm gonna stick to old and checked vendors.

Anyone have any information on Love maybe? He's from UK and I don't thik that he was such a big vendor but he just dissapeared. Hoping that he's just laying low for now.

Stay safe everyone
Title: Re: Attention: First British Arrests In Silk Road Case
Post by: lucyintheskywd on October 09, 2013, 04:58 pm
This whole lark is getting me a bit paranoid. I always used PGP I am pretty sure. I have spent a lot but its only been personal use.

 :'(

Title: Re: Attention: First British Arrests In Silk Road Case
Post by: IForgotMyFuckingPassword on October 09, 2013, 05:16 pm
I've been thinking about it all day and I think I've got a theory to how they knew who these guys were....now this is just a theory and I have no evidence but it is the best I can come up with.  Either the feds were tracking them like they did NOD (very unlikely since they are in britain),
Did you miss the pat of this story that said the FBI/NSA and GCHQ were working together? That's definitely possible.
Title: Re: Attention: First British Arrests In Silk Road Case
Post by: NorthernStar on October 09, 2013, 05:27 pm
Actually I was talking about the police lying for over 20 yr and blaming fans for something which was not their fault!!
Exactly mary, what the fuck is this crank flyspray on about. Can't blame the police.........idiot.
Title: Re: Attention: First British Arrests In Silk Road Case
Post by: mary666 on October 09, 2013, 05:43 pm
Thanks NS :) It wasn't a statement about the police controlling anyone as you clearly understand, it was about the fact their liars!

So there's been 4 arrest in the UK, 2 in Sweden and 2 in the US with apparently more to come!!!
Title: Re: Attention: First British Arrests In Silk Road Case
Post by: NorthernStar on October 09, 2013, 08:07 pm
Thanks NS :) It wasn't a statement about the police controlling anyone as you clearly understand, it was about the fact their liars!

So there's been 4 arrest in the UK, 2 in Sweden and 2 in the US with apparently more to come!!!
There's been 8 arrests hun, there was one in  your manor. I was worried about you!  I'll link you to the story, no details yet though just the place were they're  from.

Yeah it's now been confirmed the conspiracy runs right to the top, how could they do that? watch people grieving and continue to lie, for 20 years plus? it's unconscionable, abhorrent and disgraceful  behaviour by the so called ' public servants.'
Title: Re: Attention: First British Arrests In Silk Road Case
Post by: mary666 on October 13, 2013, 11:06 am
OOOOH, Send me the link!! I'm worried but still want to order, Ha Ha! :)
Title: Re: Attention: First British Arrests In Silk Road Case
Post by: NorthernStar on October 13, 2013, 12:23 pm
Here's the story mary.

http://news.sky.com/story/1151033/british-fbi-style-crime-agency-starts-work

 http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/silk-road-drugs-website-three-6157984
Title: Re: Attention: First British Arrests In Silk Road Case
Post by: Rocknessie on October 13, 2013, 03:07 pm
I dont think the police can be blamed for the Hilsborough disaster. It is not easy controlling 100,000 people crammed into a few streets.

Actually it is. Crowd dynamics are, and were, well understood.

The police went against established procedure by opening an exit gate causing crowd confusion, a rush, and a crush. Then then lied about what happened, destroyed evidence, re-wrote statements and log-books, etc.

If YOU had have done that you would have served years for manslaughter and attempting to pervert the course of justice.
Title: Re: Attention: First British Arrests In Silk Road Case
Post by: NorthernStar on October 13, 2013, 08:50 pm
I dont think the police can be blamed for the Hilsborough disaster. It is not easy controlling 100,000 people crammed into a few streets.

Actually it is. Crowd dynamics are, and were, well understood.

The police went against established procedure by opening an exit gate causing crowd confusion, a rush, and a crush. Then then lied about what happened, destroyed evidence, re-wrote statements and log-books, etc.

If YOU had have done that you would have served years for manslaughter and attempting to pervert the course of justice.
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