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Market => Product requests => Topic started by: shadrock on November 26, 2012, 09:47 pm
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Everyone who would be interested in such a product please show yourself here. I imagine there must be places that can and will make oxycodone powder and it will be WAY WAY cheaper than the outrageous prices pharmaceutical oxy pills are selling for at the moment.
If enough vendors see the demand that exists for pure oxycodone powder, maybe one of them will contract a lab to make a batch for the vendor to resell in smaller quantities here on the road. This is an untapped market that just needs someone with the proper lab connection to bust it open and make tons of sales.
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I would be down!
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I could supply, how much do you require
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I'll take all of it! ,,,No, but seriously I would buy this just to see how it is. But why not just get fent powder or some good gear? Oxys pretty weak IMO
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Personally I would want to get 250mg of oxycodone powder. I would likely buy that quantity several times per year. I always prefer domestic shipping, so that may limit my options.
I imagine some people would want more, but I'd like to see listings for 100mg, 250mg, 500mg, and 1g. Those listings would supply the folks who are buying pharmaceutical pills five and ten at a time but at much lower prices. There are lots of people paying high prices for the pharm pills right now. There is no question that the market exists.
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Price would also be the prevailing criteria on whether there's a buyer base for it or not.
I personally am completely in and would love to see it. I won't touch H, stop comparing H to Oxycodone, many people who use pills won't touch the horse, and fent is dangerous if handled improperly.
Oxycodone is a lovely feeling, no need to get 'FUCKED UP', just perced up to handle the day of crap ahead of you. No it's not the strongest opiate, and that's WHY I WANT IT !
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is it just me or someone deleted my post lol. why i cant mention heroin? is it so different from oxycodone ? how about morphine ? heroin is morphine. just acetylised lol. i don't get these pillheads thinkink that they're better than others who use heroin.
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This is about oxycodone, not heroin or fentanyl.
I don't have a scale with the proper precision to measure fentanyl. Who does have a scale accurate to +/- 2 ug? Not most people, that is for sure.
I've never heard of someone taking heroin orally. I assume this is because is not orally active, or not with the same degree of bioavailability as when snorted or of course taken IV.
People want oxy because they want oxy. Some people want H, good for them. Nobody here has said anything bad about H users. All we've said is that we're looking for oxycodone powder, nothing else.
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This is about oxycodone, not heroin or fentanyl.
I don't have a scale with the proper precision to measure fentanyl. Who does have a scale accurate to +/- 2 ug? Not most people, that is for sure.
I've never heard of someone taking heroin orally. I assume this is because is not orally active, or not with the same degree of bioavailability as when snorted or of course taken IV.
People want oxy because they want oxy. Some people want H, good for them. Nobody here has said anything bad about H users. All we've said is that we're looking for oxycodone powder, nothing else.
^^^ +1
And grdr ALL opiates (I'm NOT talking about Synethetic mu-opiod agonist's like Fentanyl) are morphine analogs.
Heroin is DiACETYLATED (yes that's how to spell Acetyl ;) ).
Codeine is a Methyleneoxy and Hydroxylated morphiine analog, and many of the other popular morphine analogs are codeine analog's (oxycodone = ketonated hydroxyl + C-14 hydroxylated codeine analog | hydrocodone = ketonated hydroxyl but NO C-14 hydroxlation ... etc. etc.).
This topic and this thread aren't about 'PILLHEADS' vs. "HEROIN JUNKIES" since both consume analogs that use the same fucking backbone. It's a thread where the OP is requesting demand on OXYCODONE because he want's ... demand on OXYCODONE. If the OP wanted DIACETYL-MORPHINE (HEROIN) demand information, he'd have asked for DIACETYL-MORPHINE.
Like I said in my post, I WANT, yes WANT OXYCODONE over DIACETYL-MORPHINE (HEROIN) because it's NOT AS STRONG and CAN be used CASUALLY and RESPONSIBLY (yes not everyone can handle it responsibly, but many more can then heroin) a lot easier then Heroin can be for day to day life, especially when in a difficult (academically ... aka thinking) profession where taking a small amount of Oxycodone make's the miserable ass day just that much more tolerable, whereas Heroin would make it difficult if not impossible to function in a difficult non-labor profession (much like business people use coke at work all the time).
Anyways, yes please bring us/me pure oxycodone powder, I will love you :P.
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ok my original question was how does it compare to heroin IV if i IV this powder don't pis yourself over nothing pillhead. i can function and think clearly on smack no need tyo attack me for a question.
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I could supply, how much do you require
Are you serious? If the price was good you wouldn't be able to keep it on hand. It would sell like fucking crazy.
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I could supply, how much do you require
Are you serious? If the price was good you wouldn't be able to keep it on hand. It would sell like fucking crazy.
I need a indication on the price and serious buyers that don't bail whenever it's made and ready to get shipped..
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I could supply, how much do you require
Are you serious? If the price was good you wouldn't be able to keep it on hand. It would sell like fucking crazy.
I need a indication on the price and serious buyers that don't bail whenever it's made and ready to get shipped..
Average GOOD price of pharmaceutical Oxycodone is about $1/mg, but it's usually sold at much more cuz of the limited availability of pharmaceutical Oxycodone.
I would ask, and expect that a pure and clandestinely manufactured oxycodone would sell for LESS then $1/mg.
I can put my own mother's life on the line telling you that if pure powdered Oxycodone hit Silk Road it would be in extremely high demand and you'd even likely have a hard time keeping up with demand. I mean look at the amount of roxies and other IR oxycodone formulations that are being sold on SR for ridiculously high prices but are still being sold out like wild fire. People want their oxycodone (unless their an H user in which case they want they're H heh).
There is no doubt in my mind that if oxycodone powder was brought to SR at GOOD PRICES, that vendor would be considered a god among men.
Oh and I would and will commit right now to purchasing and NOT BAILING EVER, but i'm a small time buyer with very little money. There are many here swimming in $ though and would easily buy keys without a second thought of committing to the purchase of pure oxycodone. All it would take is a pill press and any such vendor buying a key at a time will become extremely rich, which (being rich/richer) ... is typically a powerful motivator to do things.
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I have some codeine laying around, might give it a shot later this week.
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I have some codeine laying around, might give it a shot later this week.
Oh you already have codeine?
Damn dude, it would be fucking C A K E to manufacture Oxycodone (i'm sure you know that if you provide custom synth services)
Oxidize the hydroxyl into a carbonyl, remove the double bond between the 7,8 carbons (which conveniently are adjacent to the hydroxyl you're oxidizing into a carbonyl) and hydroxylate the 14-C ...
FUCK MY LIFE I WISH I STILL HAD MY LABORATORY !!!!
Wasn't even considering how easy a synthesis it would be until you said codeine lol.
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I have some codeine laying around, might give it a shot later this week.
Oh you already have codeine?
Damn dude, it would be fucking C A K E to manufacture Oxycodone (i'm sure you know that if you provide custom synth services)
Oxidize the hydroxyl into a carbonyl, remove the double bond between the 7,8 carbons (which conveniently are adjacent to the hydroxyl you're oxidizing into a carbonyl) and hydroxylate the 14-C ...
FUCK MY LIFE I WISH I STILL HAD MY LABORATORY !!!!
Wasn't even considering how easy a synthesis it would be until you said codeine lol.
I get really cheap offers sometimes for pharmaceuticals or trade for 2C-B. I have glacial acetic acid left and plenty of palladium carbon 10%. You are right, this is a piece of cake.
You are most likely be able to find OC powder soon (small amounts) between my listings. Just want to see how much people actually buy.
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I have some codeine laying around, might give it a shot later this week.
Oh you already have codeine?
Damn dude, it would be fucking C A K E to manufacture Oxycodone (i'm sure you know that if you provide custom synth services)
Oxidize the hydroxyl into a carbonyl, remove the double bond between the 7,8 carbons (which conveniently are adjacent to the hydroxyl you're oxidizing into a carbonyl) and hydroxylate the 14-C ...
FUCK MY LIFE I WISH I STILL HAD MY LABORATORY !!!!
Wasn't even considering how easy a synthesis it would be until you said codeine lol.
I get really cheap offers sometimes for pharmaceuticals or trade for 2C-B. I have glacial acetic acid left and plenty of palladium carbon 10%. You are right, this is a piece of cake.
You are most likely be able to find OC powder soon (small amounts) between my listings. Just want to see how much people actually buy.
Well if the price is right I will most definitely be buying (small amounts) of it from you, and by price is right I mean ... it better be cheap lol cuz yeah, codeine -> oxycodone synth like we've both said is cake, so nothing notably expensive in this conversion :P. But we'll see when you've got it posted.
And o god don't ever mention glacial acetic acid to me again. So so so many gels I have had to make and run with this incredibly raunchy smelling acid that we put on our food extremely diluted (read: vinegar :P)
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I have some codeine laying around, might give it a shot later this week.
Oh you already have codeine?
Damn dude, it would be fucking C A K E to manufacture Oxycodone (i'm sure you know that if you provide custom synth services)
Oxidize the hydroxyl into a carbonyl, remove the double bond between the 7,8 carbons (which conveniently are adjacent to the hydroxyl you're oxidizing into a carbonyl) and hydroxylate the 14-C ...
FUCK MY LIFE I WISH I STILL HAD MY LABORATORY !!!!
Wasn't even considering how easy a synthesis it would be until you said codeine lol.
I get really cheap offers sometimes for pharmaceuticals or trade for 2C-B. I have glacial acetic acid left and plenty of palladium carbon 10%. You are right, this is a piece of cake.
You are most likely be able to find OC powder soon (small amounts) between my listings. Just want to see how much people actually buy.
Well if the price is right I will most definitely be buying (small amounts) of it from you, and by price is right I mean ... it better be cheap lol cuz yeah, codeine -> oxycodone synth like we've both said is cake, so nothing notably expensive in this conversion :P. But we'll see when you've got it posted.
And o god don't ever mention glacial acetic acid to me again. So so so many gels I have had to make and run with this incredibly raunchy smelling acid that we put on our food extremely diluted (read: vinegar :P)
GAA spilled over my hands, three days later skin fell off on my hands leaving just flesh. Then suddenly realised I should maybe neutralize it with sodium carbonate... Nasty shit. I learned to wear gloves now atleast.
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Not a synth guy, but figured I'd throw an ad out anyway. :)
I have op 80's for way under 1$/mg.
I don't know if there is an easier method than baking n all to extract it, but that would yield you powder for cheaper than 1$/mg for sure.
-King-
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I have some codeine laying around, might give it a shot later this week.
Oh you already have codeine?
Damn dude, it would be fucking C A K E to manufacture Oxycodone (i'm sure you know that if you provide custom synth services)
Oxidize the hydroxyl into a carbonyl, remove the double bond between the 7,8 carbons (which conveniently are adjacent to the hydroxyl you're oxidizing into a carbonyl) and hydroxylate the 14-C ...
FUCK MY LIFE I WISH I STILL HAD MY LABORATORY !!!!
Wasn't even considering how easy a synthesis it would be until you said codeine lol.
I get really cheap offers sometimes for pharmaceuticals or trade for 2C-B. I have glacial acetic acid left and plenty of palladium carbon 10%. You are right, this is a piece of cake.
You are most likely be able to find OC powder soon (small amounts) between my listings. Just want to see how much people actually buy.
Well if the price is right I will most definitely be buying (small amounts) of it from you, and by price is right I mean ... it better be cheap lol cuz yeah, codeine -> oxycodone synth like we've both said is cake, so nothing notably expensive in this conversion :P. But we'll see when you've got it posted.
And o god don't ever mention glacial acetic acid to me again. So so so many gels I have had to make and run with this incredibly raunchy smelling acid that we put on our food extremely diluted (read: vinegar :P)
GAA spilled over my hands, three days later skin fell off on my hands leaving just flesh. Then suddenly realised I should maybe neutralize it with sodium carbonate... Nasty shit. I learned to wear gloves now atleast.
WHOA, you were handling glacial without gloves? christ that must have sucked.
I was using it in 20L quantities a day and in a biochemistry laboratory where I had (no choice) to do molecular biology techniques (such as the protein and DNA gels I created and washed using the GAA, Methanol, EtBr solution I had to make in large large quantities daily) in order to actually get down to my fun biochemistry stuff. I can't have imagined not wearing gloves while pouring gaa out of a god aweful heavy thick glass 50L bottle lol. Not to mention the ehidium bromide I had to handle (it intercalates in the plane of DNA strands and fluoresces orange when it does so (under UV light) ... in other words it's instant cancer (it mutates your DNA on contact), but also is the only way to detect the DNA fragments that were run electrolytically in my agarose gels.
I learned my lesson about gloves very very early on in my undergrad for 2 reasons. First, nitric acid is a bitch and turns you yellow lol. Second, the first 'REAL' lab I worked in, some dumb bitch coop student (I was a coop student too, just not a dumb bitch :P) knocked over and spilled an ENTIRE BOTTLE OF ETHIDIUM BROMIDE in the fume hood. Obviously she couldn't clean it up, so one of the many asian post docs in our lab (fuck we were the minority, so many asians !!! and I live in Canada lol) went to clean it. He was double gloved, but to his bad luck there was a tiny pin prick hole in the pinky finger part of the glove and he knew instantly when he started cleaning it up that his glove was compromised.
Funny thing is, his wife, who IS A DOCTOR worked in the same lab, started spazzing out, but he decided that instead of going to the hospital that was 500 meters away (our lab was part of a series of hospitals in Toronto) he thought it would be fun to put his hand and then arm under the UV light detector we use for our gels. Freaky shit man, we watched as tiny spots of orange started running up his pinky finger, then into his hand, then all the way up his forearm, and dude was laughing (I think he was actually ridiculously scared and didn't know how to handle it). Funny thing is that after all this went down, instead of following his insistent wife's demands to just walk to the fucking hospital he figured that if he just immersed his pinky in a beaker of water for several days on the lab bench while doing his own research ... one handed that it would all go away. I don't know if the guy died of cancer or not cuz it was a short coop term I was there, but damn, not all Asians are as smart as you think they are lol.
Needless to say I double gloved from then on out when doing practically anything in my lab (practically, i didn't bother for menial tasks like making agar plates and shit).
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Not a synth guy, but figured I'd throw an ad out anyway. :)
I have op 80's for way under 1$/mg.
I don't know if there is an easier method than baking n all to extract it, but that would yield you powder for cheaper than 1$/mg for sure.
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OP is full of edible slow releasing plastic that no one with a lay laboratory has been able to remove. No one wants plastic in their veins or up their nose.
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Man that sounds quite a thing to see happen. Now I understand why "normal" people are so afraid of chemicals.. especially cyanides, elementals etc..
shit
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Not a synth guy, but figured I'd throw an ad out anyway. :)
I have op 80's for way under 1$/mg.
I don't know if there is an easier method than baking n all to extract it, but that would yield you powder for cheaper than 1$/mg for sure.
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O i was just using $1/mg as a reference point because that's typically how much vendor's hyperinflate the cost of their oxy's. In reality to synth oxycodone from codeine, assuming you didn't pay for the codeine would actually only be a few cent's per mg, was just giving ruthenium the open door to making mad profit because nobody would know any better that a codeine -> oxycodone synth is way less in materials then $1.
I've seen you're listings before, but just like almost every other fucking oxy vendor on SR you won't vend to Canada. Even though I have 97 successful transactions (and 1 non-receive), vendors still won't help me and I really have very few sources to go to. At the moment it's only percs cuz there are so few vendors who will vend to Canada (at DECENT PRICES) that that was the only option I had. The vendor is also an awesome guy, so I don't mind giving him my business.
I would like a source on oxycodone's OP or OC though for reasonable (less then $1/mg) price if any vendor would ever vend to me in Canada :/ My addy is perfect for this business so in my eyes there is almost 0 risk, but in all vendor's eye's, as soon as the word border or customs enter's the convo it's all bet's off. OPs are no biggy anyways, very easy to 'defeat' their 'anti-tamper' formulation, you just gotta have a bit of science know how to do so :).
If you'd be willing to ship to this Canadian you'd have a solid client for sure, except for the fact you only vend 80mg oxys, and I don't really want 80s. 20s or 40s are fine for my needs, I need them for medical reasons, not recreation, it's just that you can't doctor shop in Canada so if my family doc says no to oxy's ... well the only other way to get em is the streets (where an oxy 80 goes for upwards of $100 ... fuck that I aint rich, i'm just a lowly biochemist lol).
If you are in any way amenable to making an exception and shipping to Canada though can you please let me know? You do have excellent prices on here (and in general from the only sources I have available) and i'd have no prob buying 80's ... it's not very hard to cut a pill in half (so 2x 40mg) lol (actually that;s not true, Opana's are like fucking diamonds to cut, need to take a dremel tool to em to bust em up ... thank you RxKing for that tidbit of advice :) ).
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Not a synth guy, but figured I'd throw an ad out anyway. :)
I have op 80's for way under 1$/mg.
I don't know if there is an easier method than baking n all to extract it, but that would yield you powder for cheaper than 1$/mg for sure.
-King-
shake 'n bake :hilarious: :-[
We are talking about synthesized oxycodone hydrochloride not about some extracted craphola containing binding agents and whatsoever
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Not a synth guy, but figured I'd throw an ad out anyway. :)
I have op 80's for way under 1$/mg.
I don't know if there is an easier method than baking n all to extract it, but that would yield you powder for cheaper than 1$/mg for sure.
-King-
OPs are no biggy anyways, very easy to 'defeat' their 'anti-tamper' formulation, you just gotta have a bit of science know how to do so :).
Ahh, and what is your secret, pray tell?
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Not a synth guy, but figured I'd throw an ad out anyway. :)
I have op 80's for way under 1$/mg.
I don't know if there is an easier method than baking n all to extract it, but that would yield you powder for cheaper than 1$/mg for sure.
-King-
shake 'n bake :hilarious: :-[
We are talking about synthesized oxycodone hydrochloride not about some extracted craphola containing binding agents and whatsoever
Yeah, that's why i'm being all up in ruthenium's face about synthing some oxycodone.HCl for us on the road, because I to agree that synthetic polymers and matrix-oxycodone conjugates just ruin the party for all us :P.
So yeah, get to it ruthenium, I like my chemical's pure :) (i'm sure you can relate if you're a chemist heh). Just gimme a finder's fee discount if you get it going and vending on the road, cuz you my friend will be a wealthy wealthy man if you do :).
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soak in DRY acetone for 12h ;)
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Not a synth guy, but figured I'd throw an ad out anyway. :)
I have op 80's for way under 1$/mg.
I don't know if there is an easier method than baking n all to extract it, but that would yield you powder for cheaper than 1$/mg for sure.
-King-
shake 'n bake :hilarious: :-[
We are talking about synthesized oxycodone hydrochloride not about some extracted craphola containing binding agents and whatsoever
Yeah, that's why i'm being all up in ruthenium's face about synthing some oxycodone.HCl for us on the road, because I to agree that synthetic polymers and matrix-oxycodone conjugates just ruin the party for all us :P.
So yeah, get to it ruthenium, I like my chemical's pure :) (i'm sure you can relate if you're a chemist heh). Just gimme a finder's fee discount if you get it going and vending on the road, cuz you my friend will be a wealthy wealthy man if you do :).
I do aswell, purity is my motto and perfection my standard.
Read your private message I can sort you out in the meanwhile.
Peace
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Pure oxycodone powder? Yeah!
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Not a synth guy, but figured I'd throw an ad out anyway. :)
I have op 80's for way under 1$/mg.
I don't know if there is an easier method than baking n all to extract it, but that would yield you powder for cheaper than 1$/mg for sure.
-King-
shake 'n bake :hilarious: :-[
We are talking about synthesized oxycodone hydrochloride not about some extracted craphola containing binding agents and whatsoever
Yeah, that's why i'm being all up in ruthenium's face about synthing some oxycodone.HCl for us on the road, because I to agree that synthetic polymers and matrix-oxycodone conjugates just ruin the party for all us :P.
So yeah, get to it ruthenium, I like my chemical's pure :) (i'm sure you can relate if you're a chemist heh). Just gimme a finder's fee discount if you get it going and vending on the road, cuz you my friend will be a wealthy wealthy man if you do :).
I do aswell, purity is my motto and perfection my standard.
Read your private message I can sort you out in the meanwhile.
Peace
O yeah, without perfection a biochemist's life is just a frustrating array of failure
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I was thinking about buying this, it says it is Lab-made pharmacuetical-grade oxycodone, synthesized as per Rhodium via Codeinone Dienol Acetate. Is this made by anyone in this thread?
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/item/61bf3b4884
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I was thinking about buying this, it says it is Lab-made pharmacuetical-grade oxycodone, synthesized as per Rhodium via Codeinone Dienol Acetate. Is this made by anyone in this thread?
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/item/61bf3b4884
Just the fact that there is a subliminal link to the 9/11 event in the listings is enough to turn me off. I cannot deal with people who are stuck in that mentality.
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I was thinking about buying this, it says it is Lab-made pharmacuetical-grade oxycodone, synthesized as per Rhodium via Codeinone Dienol Acetate. Is this made by anyone in this thread?
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/item/61bf3b4884
Just the fact that there is a subliminal link to the 9/11 event in the listings is enough to turn me off. I cannot deal with people who are stuck in that mentality.
Uh-oh....I missed that. Where is the reference? Well, how bad could it be? I guess I could die, or stumble on a really awesome deal? Which is more important to me, saving money or my liver? That is a surprisingly difficult choice. :-[
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I was thinking about buying this, it says it is Lab-made pharmacuetical-grade oxycodone, synthesized as per Rhodium via Codeinone Dienol Acetate. Is this made by anyone in this thread?
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/item/61bf3b4884
Just the fact that there is a subliminal link to the 9/11 event in the listings is enough to turn me off. I cannot deal with people who are stuck in that mentality.
Uh-oh....I missed that. Where is the reference? Well, how bad could it be? I guess I could die, or stumble on a really awesome deal? Which is more important to me, saving money or my liver? That is a surprisingly difficult choice. :-[
The pills are the towers and the plan is crashing into it....
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I was thinking about buying this, it says it is Lab-made pharmacuetical-grade oxycodone, synthesized as per Rhodium via Codeinone Dienol Acetate. Is this made by anyone in this thread?
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/item/61bf3b4884
Just the fact that there is a subliminal link to the 9/11 event in the listings is enough to turn me off. I cannot deal with people who are stuck in that mentality.
Uh-oh....I missed that. Where is the reference? Well, how bad could it be? I guess I could die, or stumble on a really awesome deal? Which is more important to me, saving money or my liver? That is a surprisingly difficult choice. :-[
The pills are the towers and the plan is crashing into it....
Oh, I had the pictures turned off. I see it now.
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Yeah, that picture is a bit WTF for sure. Plus the guy is a brand new vendor.
Other than that this is pretty much what I was looking for. He is charging roughly 1/3 what the pharmaceutical pill vendors are charging, even when dealing with quantities as small as 30mg.
If anyone tries out that listing at http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/item/61bf3b4884 please let us all know how it turns out.
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This is about oxycodone, not heroin or fentanyl.
I don't have a scale with the proper precision to measure fentanyl. Who does have a scale accurate to +/- 2 ug? Not most people, that is for sure.
I've never heard of someone taking heroin orally. I assume this is because is not orally active, or not with the same degree of bioavailability as when snorted or of course taken IV.
People want oxy because they want oxy. Some people want H, good for them. Nobody here has said anything bad about H users. All we've said is that we're looking for oxycodone powder, nothing else.
Heroin is completely active orally and will kill you if you swallow too much. Think of the stories of drug mules that all of you have heard. The ones who swallowed the heroin in Lambskin condoms or some stupid crap. Heroin is De-acetalized in your stomach acid.... probably not the actual techincal description, but bottom line is Heroin is converted back to morphine if you eat it.
Price would also be the prevailing criteria on whether there's a buyer base for it or not.
I personally am completely in and would love to see it. I won't touch H, stop comparing H to Oxycodone, many people who use pills won't touch the horse, and fent is dangerous if handled improperly.
Oxycodone is a lovely feeling, no need to get 'FUCKED UP', just perced up to handle the day of crap ahead of you. No it's not the strongest opiate, and that's WHY I WANT IT !
Oxy freaks who are "better than dope users" are idiots like those Dank-Snobs who will look down their nose at you if you offer some midgrade weed to smoke in their dank-only pipe. Alcohol kills more people than any fuckin drug available on this site but it is socially acceptable to be an alcoholic or "Prescription Pain Medicine Addict." Heroin is a Pharmaceutical drug same as Fent is. Heroin brand name was originally made by BAYER Pharmaceutical. Most of the Fent you can even find (besides patches) was made in a garage or basement lab. So if this basement made Oxy will make you feel like "Hey at least I'm not a heroin addict," I say go for it. But just know that you're a Jaded Piece of Shit who is no better than a Dope Fiend. If you're using the drugs for anything other than chronic pain then.... Oxy users = Heroin users = Fent users. There is not a difference.
(these are general statements not actually directed at the persons quoted)
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This is about oxycodone, not heroin or fentanyl.
I don't have a scale with the proper precision to measure fentanyl. Who does have a scale accurate to +/- 2 ug? Not most people, that is for sure.
I've never heard of someone taking heroin orally. I assume this is because is not orally active, or not with the same degree of bioavailability as when snorted or of course taken IV.
People want oxy because they want oxy. Some people want H, good for them. Nobody here has said anything bad about H users. All we've said is that we're looking for oxycodone powder, nothing else.
Heroin is completely active orally and will kill you if you swallow too much. Think of the stories of drug mules that all of you have heard. The ones who swallowed the heroin in Lambskin condoms or some stupid crap. Heroin is De-acetalized in your stomach acid.... probably not the actual techincal description, but bottom line is Heroin is converted back to morphine if you eat it.
Price would also be the prevailing criteria on whether there's a buyer base for it or not.
I personally am completely in and would love to see it. I won't touch H, stop comparing H to Oxycodone, many people who use pills won't touch the horse, and fent is dangerous if handled improperly.
Oxycodone is a lovely feeling, no need to get 'FUCKED UP', just perced up to handle the day of crap ahead of you. No it's not the strongest opiate, and that's WHY I WANT IT !
Oxy freaks who are "better than dope users" are idiots like those Dank-Snobs who will look down their nose at you if you offer some midgrade weed to smoke in their dank-only pipe. Alcohol kills more people than any fuckin drug available on this site but it is socially acceptable to be an alcoholic or "Prescription Pain Medicine Addict." Heroin is a Pharmaceutical drug same as Fent is. Heroin brand name was originally made by BAYER Pharmaceutical. Most of the Fent you can even find (besides patches) was made in a garage or basement lab. So if this basement made Oxy will make you feel like "Hey at least I'm not a heroin addict," I say go for it. But just know that you're a Jaded Piece of Shit who is no better than a Dope Fiend. If you're using the drugs for anything other than chronic pain then.... Oxy users = Heroin users = Fent users. There is not a difference.
(these are general statements not actually directed at the persons quoted)
I don't think that's true at all. Oxy is much less than heroin, that's not really debatable. It seems reasonable that someone would want oxy for that reason. Still a junkie, I do get your point.
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I don't think that's true at all. Oxy is much less than heroin, that's not really debatable. It seems reasonable that someone would want oxy for that reason. Still a junkie, I do get your point.
I guess the point I was trying to make is this: Who is really exhibiting drug seeking and drug abuse behavior and who is just fooling themselves? On one hand you've go a heroin addict who will go out and buy a bag of heroin for the purpose of experiencing the High and pain relief it provides knowing fully of the illegality. On the other hand you've got a person buying prescription pills and crushing them and tying all types of methods to remove the time release matrix so that they can experience 1/3rd of the euphoria that H gives. Also the illegality of Oxy can seem "not quite as bad as H" but carries the same sentences. Both will make a slave out of you. One you can convince a doc to give you the other you can't. One can make you go deaf (oxy), the other doesn't. Pick one of these people at random and call them a dope fiend, you'll be correct the first try
.... scrap all that stuff and just shoot up dilaudid! all your problems will be solved. ;D
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I don't think that's true at all. Oxy is much less than heroin, that's not really debatable. It seems reasonable that someone would want oxy for that reason. Still a junkie, I do get your point.
I guess the point I was trying to make is this: Who is really exhibiting drug seeking and drug abuse behavior and who is just fooling themselves? On one hand you've go a heroin addict who will go out and buy a bag of heroin for the purpose of experiencing the High and pain relief it provides knowing fully of the illegality. On the other hand you've got a person buying prescription pills and crushing them and tying all types of methods to remove the time release matrix so that they can experience 1/3rd of the euphoria that H gives. Also the illegality of Oxy can seem "not quite as bad as H" but carries the same sentences. Both will make a slave out of you. One you can convince a doc to give you the other you can't. One can make you go deaf (oxy), the other doesn't. Pick one of these people at random and call them a dope fiend, you'll be correct the first try
.... scrap all that stuff and just shoot up dilaudid! all your problems will be solved. ;D
Wait...how can Oxy make you go deaf? Is that from people taking it orally or is it some kind of side effect from snorting or injecting?
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This is about oxycodone, not heroin or fentanyl.
I don't have a scale with the proper precision to measure fentanyl. Who does have a scale accurate to +/- 2 ug? Not most people, that is for sure.
I've never heard of someone taking heroin orally. I assume this is because is not orally active, or not with the same degree of bioavailability as when snorted or of course taken IV.
People want oxy because they want oxy. Some people want H, good for them. Nobody here has said anything bad about H users. All we've said is that we're looking for oxycodone powder, nothing else.
Heroin is completely active orally and will kill you if you swallow too much. Think of the stories of drug mules that all of you have heard. The ones who swallowed the heroin in Lambskin condoms or some stupid crap. Heroin is De-acetalized in your stomach acid.... probably not the actual techincal description, but bottom line is Heroin is converted back to morphine if you eat it.
Price would also be the prevailing criteria on whether there's a buyer base for it or not.
I personally am completely in and would love to see it. I won't touch H, stop comparing H to Oxycodone, many people who use pills won't touch the horse, and fent is dangerous if handled improperly.
Oxycodone is a lovely feeling, no need to get 'FUCKED UP', just perced up to handle the day of crap ahead of you. No it's not the strongest opiate, and that's WHY I WANT IT !
Oxy freaks who are "better than dope users" are idiots like those Dank-Snobs who will look down their nose at you if you offer some midgrade weed to smoke in their dank-only pipe. Alcohol kills more people than any fuckin drug available on this site but it is socially acceptable to be an alcoholic or "Prescription Pain Medicine Addict." Heroin is a Pharmaceutical drug same as Fent is. Heroin brand name was originally made by BAYER Pharmaceutical. Most of the Fent you can even find (besides patches) was made in a garage or basement lab. So if this basement made Oxy will make you feel like "Hey at least I'm not a heroin addict," I say go for it. But just know that you're a Jaded Piece of Shit who is no better than a Dope Fiend. If you're using the drugs for anything other than chronic pain then.... Oxy users = Heroin users = Fent users. There is not a difference.
(these are general statements not actually directed at the persons quoted)
I don't think that's true at all. Oxy is much less than heroin, that's not really debatable. It seems reasonable that someone would want oxy for that reason. Still a junkie, I do get your point.
what do you even mean when you say "much less" than heroin? i suppose pure heroin is stronger than oxy, but they are both powerful and addictive opiates. fentanyl is much more potent by weight than either one, but by what yardstick do you measure a drug's merits and detriments? i think no one really comprehends just how widespread use of oxy is in the states. thats where those crazy prices come from. some people just prefer it, for that slightly speedy quality it has to it.
anyways, it would sell like hotcakes if someone put up a reasonably priced listing(s). people like oxycodone
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This is about oxycodone, not heroin or fentanyl.
I don't have a scale with the proper precision to measure fentanyl. Who does have a scale accurate to +/- 2 ug? Not most people, that is for sure.
I've never heard of someone taking heroin orally. I assume this is because is not orally active, or not with the same degree of bioavailability as when snorted or of course taken IV.
People want oxy because they want oxy. Some people want H, good for them. Nobody here has said anything bad about H users. All we've said is that we're looking for oxycodone powder, nothing else.
Heroin is completely active orally and will kill you if you swallow too much. Think of the stories of drug mules that all of you have heard. The ones who swallowed the heroin in Lambskin condoms or some stupid crap. Heroin is De-acetalized in your stomach acid.... probably not the actual techincal description, but bottom line is Heroin is converted back to morphine if you eat it.
Price would also be the prevailing criteria on whether there's a buyer base for it or not.
I personally am completely in and would love to see it. I won't touch H, stop comparing H to Oxycodone, many people who use pills won't touch the horse, and fent is dangerous if handled improperly.
Oxycodone is a lovely feeling, no need to get 'FUCKED UP', just perced up to handle the day of crap ahead of you. No it's not the strongest opiate, and that's WHY I WANT IT !
Oxy freaks who are "better than dope users" are idiots like those Dank-Snobs who will look down their nose at you if you offer some midgrade weed to smoke in their dank-only pipe. Alcohol kills more people than any fuckin drug available on this site but it is socially acceptable to be an alcoholic or "Prescription Pain Medicine Addict." Heroin is a Pharmaceutical drug same as Fent is. Heroin brand name was originally made by BAYER Pharmaceutical. Most of the Fent you can even find (besides patches) was made in a garage or basement lab. So if this basement made Oxy will make you feel like "Hey at least I'm not a heroin addict," I say go for it. But just know that you're a Jaded Piece of Shit who is no better than a Dope Fiend. If you're using the drugs for anything other than chronic pain then.... Oxy users = Heroin users = Fent users. There is not a difference.
(these are general statements not actually directed at the persons quoted)
I don't think that's true at all. Oxy is much less than heroin, that's not really debatable. It seems reasonable that someone would want oxy for that reason. Still a junkie, I do get your point.
what do you even mean when you say "much less" than heroin? i suppose pure heroin is stronger than oxy, but they are both powerful and addictive opiates. fentanyl is much more potent by weight than either one, but by what yardstick do you measure a drug's merits and detriments? i think no one really comprehends just how widespread use of oxy is in the states. thats where those crazy prices come from. some people just prefer it, for that slightly speedy quality it has to it.
anyways, it would sell like hotcakes if someone put up a reasonably priced listing(s). people like oxycodone
Heroin binds to all opioid receptors, oxy does not. That's my understanding. Therefore heroin is a much more complete high (and why those who build a H tolerance often don't enjoy oxy or others anymore), and much more physically addicting. That's my understanding anyway.
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I decided to play Guinea Pig for the community since I had some leftover BTC. I ordered 1 pill since it was only about 8 dollars (it seems the price went up to 14.00 recently, but still a good deal if it is real). I will split the dosage up into 5mg increments, so it would come to about 6 doses for me, at less than 2 bucks a dose. If I get the pill what should I do to test it out?
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I decided to play Guinea Pig for the community since I had some leftover BTC. I ordered 1 pill since it was only about 8 dollars (it seems the price went up to 14.00 recently, but still a good deal if it is real). I will split the dosage up into 5mg increments, so it would come to about 6 doses for me, at less than 2 bucks a dose. If I get the pill what should I do to test it out?
oh very cool. glad someone is trying it.
guess snort it right? idk...
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I decided to play Guinea Pig for the community since I had some leftover BTC. I ordered 1 pill since it was only about 8 dollars (it seems the price went up to 14.00 recently, but still a good deal if it is real). I will split the dosage up into 5mg increments, so it would come to about 6 doses for me, at less than 2 bucks a dose. If I get the pill what should I do to test it out?
oh very cool. glad someone is trying it.
guess snort it right? idk...
Hmmm, I guess I should have phrased that better. How should I test it out in a manner that is least likely to kill me on the off chance that there is something poisonous in the powder? Is there some type of simple test I can do on it?
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I decided to play Guinea Pig for the community since I had some leftover BTC. I ordered 1 pill since it was only about 8 dollars (it seems the price went up to 14.00 recently, but still a good deal if it is real). I will split the dosage up into 5mg increments, so it would come to about 6 doses for me, at less than 2 bucks a dose. If I get the pill what should I do to test it out?
oh very cool. glad someone is trying it.
guess snort it right? idk...
Hmmm, I guess I should have phrased that better. How should I test it out in a manner that is least likely to kill me on the off chance that there is something poisonous in the powder? Is there some type of simple test I can do on it?
Hmmm. I guess probably not. If you're worried, I'd just take a very small amount (.5-1mg). Then next day take a few mg. If you're ok there I doubt it's going to hurt you.
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I guess if I never update then it means I died. :-\
But I will try and divide it up into tiny portions and take it orally. Probably the safest route. At least I assume that is true anyhow.
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I guess if I never update then it means I died. :-\
But I will try and divide it up into tiny portions and take it orally. Probably the safest route. At least I assume that is true anyhow.
Yes. If you are concerned about it being some wielder poison/chem for some reason I would do what some call an allergy test, just take the tiniest dab under your tongue to test the waters. But I would bet it is either pure or weak/bunk, not harmful. I am sure you'll be ok. :)
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I might possibly (fingers crossed) have a supplier for both pure oxycodone and fentanyl powder, what would be the going rate for say 250mg, 500mg and 1g of each? Just to see is it worth it financially?!
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I might possibly (fingers crossed) have a supplier for both pure oxycodone and fentanyl powder, what would be the going rate for say 250mg, 500mg and 1g of each? Just to see is it worth it financially?!
Would you be willing to dose it into smaller amounts and put in capsules?
It would fly off the shelves at $0.25 -$0.50 a mg! Right now it is around $1 a mg, really expensive. People would love to be able to buy it for less!
Not sure about the fentanyl, but I am sure someone else can answer that.
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I might possibly (fingers crossed) have a supplier for both pure oxycodone and fentanyl powder, what would be the going rate for say 250mg, 500mg and 1g of each? Just to see is it worth it financially?!
Would you be willing to dose it into smaller amounts and put in capsules?
It would fly off the shelves at $0.25 -$0.50 a mg! Right now it is around $1 a mg, really expensive. People would love to be able to buy it for less!
Not sure about the fentanyl, but I am sure someone else can answer that.
I doubt it to be honest man, if its all going to go well and potential the source is legit, i dont have the time or patience in real life to cap things up so small and all! I will certainly be under $1 a mg too holy shit thats expensive, maybe i could go 5g deals and wholesale it or something?! Hindsight is a great thing lol.
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I might possibly (fingers crossed) have a supplier for both pure oxycodone and fentanyl powder, what would be the going rate for say 250mg, 500mg and 1g of each? Just to see is it worth it financially?!
Would you be willing to dose it into smaller amounts and put in capsules?
It would fly off the shelves at $0.25 -$0.50 a mg! Right now it is around $1 a mg, really expensive. People would love to be able to buy it for less!
Not sure about the fentanyl, but I am sure someone else can answer that.
I doubt it to be honest man, if its all going to go well and potential the source is legit, i dont have the time or patience in real life to cap things up so small and all! I will certainly be under $1 a mg too holy shit thats expensive, maybe i could go 5g deals and wholesale it or something?! Hindsight is a great thing lol.
5g is like 5000mg, right? I can safely say that I will probably not be able to buy that, lol. I think I wouldn't know what to do with that amount of powder! But it would be an awesome resell opportunity for vendors in other countries.
Drugs: Helping Americans understand the metric system since 1968.
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I think up to $200/gram would be "fair". Kind of uncharted territory here. I would def be interested.
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I'm glad to see this thread attracting so much interest, I knew there was a demand.
I would like to see prices ranging from 25 to 50 cents per mg depending on how much is purchased. Ultimately that would be up to the vendor.
Oxy itself does not impact hearing or make you go deaf. The combo of oxy with acetaminophen is what makes people go deaf when abused.
Oxy use in and of itself is not a problem, nether is heroine use. The problem with either is addiction. Be honest with yourself when using these substances.
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I would be interested, or at least a friend of mine.. Or Morphine HCL would be nice!
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Just got the order in today. The vendor threw in an extra for me too! I have divided it up and took a very tiny amount as a test to see if it was safe.
Two hours later I am still alive so I think I am safe to proceed with about 5mg as a test run. I will probably take it this evening.
The powder is very fine and soft, no noticable taste at all. Is that normal for pure oxycodone powder? I thought it would be bitter?
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did it do anything?
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OH YEAH! It's real! :D
I split it into 1/6s and took it orally about 5 hours ago. It is definitely real. It lasted about 4-5 hours, and had all the classic hallmarksof oxycodone. It kept me buzzed and awake, very slightly nauseated (I have a low tolerance). Gave me the "head" feeling I get with oxycodone and itchiness. Made everything more interesting and gave me the warm fuzzies. It is absolutely Oxycodone. Probably even generously dosed too.
I will keep taking it over the next few days and give a full report after I have taken it more than a few times. I don't snort or inject so I can't give any feedback on that for you guys, but I can say that the product is legit.
Link to the vendor's page
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/0a4cba6447
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OH YEAH! It's real! :D
I split it into 1/6s and took it orally about 5 hours ago. It is definitely real. It lasted about 4-5 hours, and had all the classic hallmarksof oxycodone. It kept me buzzed and awake, very slightly nauseated (I have a low tolerance). Gave me the "head" feeling I get with oxycodone and itchiness. Made everything more interesting and gave me the warm fuzzies. It is absolutely Oxycodone. Probably even generously dosed too.
I will keep taking it over the next few days and give a full report after I have taken it more than a few times. I don't snort or inject so I can't give any feedback on that for you guys, but I can say that the product is legit.
Link to the vendor's page
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/0a4cba6447
Damn I need to hop on that.
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BUMP.
Glad to see there is a vendor for this. Now lets buy out his stock to encourage him to re-up and encourage other vendors to dive in to this market. When my current supply runs dry I would love to have the option to buy powder from several different vendors.
Thanks for keeping this thread on course and meaningful, everyone.
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I might possibly (fingers crossed) have a supplier for both pure oxycodone and fentanyl powder, what would be the going rate for say 250mg, 500mg and 1g of each? Just to see is it worth it financially?!
If you can get bulk oc powder, 50 cents a mg would be a nice price, I wouldn't pay more then that.
But if you're going to be selling it in small amounts for personal use then a dollar a mg is probably the only way you're going to make any money on it.
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I might possibly (fingers crossed) have a supplier for both pure oxycodone and fentanyl powder, what would be the going rate for say 250mg, 500mg and 1g of each? Just to see is it worth it financially?!
mrDutchGuy has Fentanyl salt (HCl) and fentanyl nasal spray's, minimum quantity is 10mg @ $90 for the salt and ~11mg @ $125 for the nasal spray. I can only imagine that larger quantities are much cheaper then this already ridiculously cheap price.
Googleyed has also just introduced Fentanyl blotter's. I've yet to try them, but his products are premium so though they're more expensive, I don't doubt the quality, or his service. He's my #1 vendor :D. His smallest listing is of 5 blotters of 100µg each (so half a mg) for $44. 10 of them (so 1mg) is only $66, so with GE you'll get deep discounts the larger you buy, but mrDutchGuy's prices are still better at the moment ($9 for 1mg ...).
I still want oxycodone powder on here o so bad, I just thought i'd give what information I had on the fentanyl scene since it was brought up in this thread :)
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Looks like HiroProtagonist is out of stock. He has not delisted the product though, so be careful!!! Don't place an order guys, he says in the listing that he is out and if you place an order it will be a "future order" and may take a month or longer for him to get any in to fill the order.
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Guys, check out this thread : http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=89704.15
Let Arn0ld know how many people would be buying oxy from him if they had the option. I have completed a transaction with him before and he is a good vendor.
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TheJollyRoger is a vendor shipping from Ireland who is now selling pure oxycodone powder!
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/item/52a6a01d32
Unfortunately the price is a bit higher than I expected. I would pay 50 cents (US) per mg for 250mg, but 65 cents/mg for 500mg seems pretty steep and I'm not looking to spend that much on a single oxy purchase. I imagine it is a good opportunity for others, people who are addicted would use that amount and be saving money if their only source were SR, but anyone with a hookup in meat-space is probably getting oxy cheaper already. It is also listed as a "promo price," implying the price will increase in the future. Once the price increases there will be no benefit in buying the powder, people will probably just stick with pharmaceutical roxies that go for $1/mg.
If anyone does try it out please post a review here. He seems like a good vendor from his reviews. Hopefully he'll have a tough time moving product at that price and will drop it down to something more reasonable.
EDIT : Oh yeah, he requires FE for international orders too. That is understandable, but just one more reason I can't spend what he is asking for some oxy.
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TheJollyRoger is a vendor shipping from Ireland who is now selling pure oxycodone powder!
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/item/52a6a01d32
Unfortunately the price is a bit higher than I expected. I would pay 50 cents (US) per mg for 250mg, but 65 cents/mg for 500mg seems pretty steep and I'm not looking to spend that much on a single oxy purchase. I imagine it is a good opportunity for others, people who are addicted would use that amount and be saving money if their only source were SR, but anyone with a hookup in meat-space is probably getting oxy cheaper already. It is also listed as a "promo price," implying the price will increase in the future. Once the price increases there will be no benefit in buying the powder, people will probably just stick with pharmaceutical roxies that go for $1/mg.
If anyone does try it out please post a review here. He seems like a good vendor from his reviews. Hopefully he'll have a tough time moving product at that price and will drop it down to something more reasonable.
EDIT : Oh yeah, he requires FE for international orders too. That is understandable, but just one more reason I can't spend what he is asking for some oxy.
Actually, samples are sent out and prices will be the lowest on the road if the product is up to scratch as it is a hard bastard to locate, both fent and oxy, watch this space folks. :)
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That is good news, I'll be looking for the reviews and listings. :D
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HiroProtagonist has his 30mg capsules back on the market and... pure oxy powder in 250mg, 500mg, and 1g sizes at pretty good prices!
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/0a4cba6447
The only thing that concerns me is some text from the listings for the non encapsulated powder. He writes :
The hydrochloride salt of Oxycodone allows for time-release (XR) when eaten.
Is that true, the HCl salt acts in a time-release manner? What about roxy blue pills, do those contain some form other than HCl salt? The roxies are not time-release.
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Subscribing and hoping for an update soon.
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Is that true, the HCl salt acts in a time-release manner? What about roxy blue pills, do those contain some form other than HCl salt? The roxies are not time-release.
No that's not true at all. There's oxycodone HCl in oxycontin AND in roxi. The time release is caused by binders, so pure oxycodone should hit you at least as fast as roxi.
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Yeah, wwizard's right. OxyContin is, by definition, time release oxycodone. It's just that the matrix used when combining it with the binder and whatnot allows it to be smoked.
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Is that true, the HCl salt acts in a time-release manner? What about roxy blue pills, do those contain some form other than HCl salt? The roxies are not time-release.
No that's not true at all. There's oxycodone HCl in oxycontin AND in roxi. The time release is caused by binders, so pure oxycodone should hit you at least as fast as roxi.
The word CONTIN is the name that Purdue gave to it's first time release mechanism, OXY because they contain Oxycodone (there are now 3 in widespread use, Opana's use the most difficult to defeat called TIMERx and I BELIEVE, but correct me i'f i'm wrong that the 'new formulat that OXY OP's use the TIMERx time release mechanism as well. So if Purdue could somehow get another patent time\release oxycodone (OxyContin), and they can't their old patent expired and too many generic formulations exist for a simple release mechanism to justify a new patent ... but if they could, they'd prolly name their now 'OxyContin OP' as OxyTimerx). I
I will just say that other then making candy and food more consistent/shiny, emulsification and the other things their used for in foods that Xantham Gum and Locust Bean Gum can both lick my balls, cuz their the primary component to the TIMERx mechanism (it's a slow diffusion mechanism with the 'slowing barrier' being xantham gun/locust bean gum, which also suck because they're not water soluble and instead form an annoying fucking gelly type consistency).
They make time release Hydromorphone (Dilaudid ... Dillies) that are named HydroContin, and they apply contin into the drug name cuz it used (possibly still does) the Contin time release formula/mechanism. They may have changed thee formula used to something like TIMERx now like they have with Oxycontin. Only evidence I have that have done so is the little balls inside a hydrocontin capsule are fucking almost impossible to bust up.
Yay for Oxycodone.HCl powder. BOO for Oxycodone.HCl containing pills!
Think I saw a cheap powder vendor (50 cents a mg on small orders, think it was as low as 20cents per mg on larger orders) while on the road, but i couldn't find a single thing said about him/his product on these forums yet
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Thanks for the clarification on time release binders.
I had a chance to dabble with some of the 30mg capsule from HiroProtagonist. It is definitely oxy, but like some others have said (maybe I saw it in his reviews, I think there was a post on Reddit too) the strength doesn't seem to correspond to the major brand pharmaceutical pills. I have no expertise, but I'm assuming the pharma pills generally have a bit more oxy in them than they claim. The oxy from Hiro is very bright white and fluffy, which makes me think it is quite pure.
I only took 10mg, and it was a bit more subtle than I thought, but it seems to be the real deal.