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Title: Was just sold fake MDMA ***TLDR: Reagents expired
Post by: ruby123 on March 22, 2013, 08:16 pm
considering this was my first purchase on the road. I figured I would gamble with 100$. The pils I ordered from the UK turned out to be 2CI or B (Green Marquis reaction) Pills mostly full of white powder few crystals.. This is exactly what I didn't want. If i wanted to roll the dice and take "molly" I would go buy some on the street. What is my next step to resolve this issue? Any recommendations would be appreciated. Really pissed off because I specifically told the vendor I have test kits and that I do not want any research chemicals. I am not an idiot, I have a science degree affording my competency in chemistry etc..

Update: my second "MDMA" order also tested positive for AMT(Brown Marquis reaction) NO MDMA....is there really pure MDMA on the road? or is it all just bunk..Looks like I am going to have to play chemist with some safrole... I just flushed 2 grams of bk-MDMA I purchased which was  obviously fake the other day too


***TLDR: Reagents expired I made a mistake, MDUK and Aidoneus's product is top shelf....rave on!
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: imghost9 on March 22, 2013, 08:35 pm
Name of 2 vendors please? I am also looking to purchase some REAL MDMA
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: ruby123 on March 22, 2013, 08:37 pm
The first vendor from the UK is MDUK and the second I purchased domestic ( USA) is Aidoneus...both of which I specifically told I would be testing their product. People need to be fucking honest...karma is a bitch
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: LogicalSharkFart on March 22, 2013, 08:46 pm
thanks for the heads up, i too will be looking for some domestic molly.
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: ruby123 on March 22, 2013, 08:55 pm
This should be a word of caution to anyone.....MDMA tests kits are cheap. Your body is a test tube, don't fuck around with it.
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: MDUK on March 22, 2013, 09:06 pm
Hold up.

You get two MDMA orders from two different vendors who have both had their product tested by numerous different people with universally positive results.
You then test them with the same reagent (I assume) and they both come up negative, despite being the same product that many other people have reviewed positively.

Now, I'm very confused indeed over what's going on here, I have never bought or even handled 2CB/2CI, and the capsules I shipped to you were the same ones that I've been sending to everybody else, at least two or three of which have marquis tested them and had the classic straight-to-black reaction that I saw when I put them together.

Something is very clearly wrong here, it's not possible that, from a batch containing literally only MDMA, Caffeine and Microcrystalline Cellulose you get a 2CB/2CI indication, when everyone else who's tested capsules from the same batch gets an MDMA indication.

By the by, the pills contain off-white powder because I have to grind the MDMA to get the dosing right, and due to the caffeine and Microcrystalline cellulose which are also in there to keep the dose at ~110-115mg per capsule.

I've messaged Aidoneus to get his thoughts on this.
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: ruby123 on March 22, 2013, 09:09 pm
Yes, I purchased from 2 different vendors because I am curious to see what is out there. I can verify everything photographically. Real pure MDMA is a challenge to come by; I just want pure MDMA for an event coming up. Why would I try to burn someone over 100$? I have a full time job which pays very well. The Marquis reagent is <12 months old, it reacted with both orders and came up with different results.
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: MDUK on March 22, 2013, 09:15 pm
Yes, I purchased from 2 different vendors because I am curious to see what is out there. I can verify everything photographically. Real pure MDMA is a challenge to come by. Why would I try to burn someone over 100$? I have a full time job which pays very well.
I'm not suggesting you're trying to burn people, I'm suggesting there could be something up with your test. Which, since it's apparently testing my capsules positive for a substance I've never owned or handled, seems rather likely.
The quality of MDMA on SR is overall rather good - if you're getting negatives from both myself and another vendor who has universally well-received products then that's something very odd, no?
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: ruby123 on March 22, 2013, 09:17 pm
Yes, I purchased from 2 different vendors because I am curious to see what is out there. I can verify everything photographically. Real pure MDMA is a challenge to come by. Why would I try to burn someone over 100$? I have a full time job which pays very well.
I'm not suggesting you're trying to burn people, I'm suggesting there could be something up with your test. Which, since it's apparently testing my capsules positive for a substance I've never owned or handled, seems rather likely.
The quality of MDMA on SR is overall rather good - if you're getting negatives from both myself and another vendor who has universally well-received products then that's something very odd, no?

How many customers have tested their shipments? As far as I know the sulfuric acid solution is pretty stable. I purchased the kit form dance safe about a year ago. I still have a receipt. Objectively a mixture of caffeine and 2CI would give a similar 'MDMA" effect to the novice Additionally, 5-MeO-AMT is also very similar to MDMA in it side effects but more dangerous/ higher toxicity.
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: MDUK on March 22, 2013, 09:22 pm
Yes, I purchased from 2 different vendors because I am curious to see what is out there. I can verify everything photographically. Real pure MDMA is a challenge to come by. Why would I try to burn someone over 100$? I have a full time job which pays very well.
I'm not suggesting you're trying to burn people, I'm suggesting there could be something up with your test. Which, since it's apparently testing my capsules positive for a substance I've never owned or handled, seems rather likely.
The quality of MDMA on SR is overall rather good - if you're getting negatives from both myself and another vendor who has universally well-received products then that's something very odd, no?

How many customers have tested their shipments? As far as I know the sulfuric acid solution is pretty stable. I purchased the kit form dance safe about a year ago. I still have a receipt. Objectively a mixture of caffeine and 2CI would give a similar 'MDMA" effect to the novice Additionally, 5-MeO-AMT is also very similar to MDMA in it side effects.
At least two that I know got caps from the same batch - there's a third but I think his probably came from batch 2.
Haven't ever handled 5-MeO-AMT either actually.

The people who I sent out test samples to were hardly novices. I'll message a few of them and see if I can get some feedback on here.
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: ruby123 on March 22, 2013, 09:26 pm
Yes, I purchased from 2 different vendors because I am curious to see what is out there. I can verify everything photographically. Real pure MDMA is a challenge to come by. Why would I try to burn someone over 100$? I have a full time job which pays very well.
I'm not suggesting you're trying to burn people, I'm suggesting there could be something up with your test. Which, since it's apparently testing my capsules positive for a substance I've never owned or handled, seems rather likely.
The quality of MDMA on SR is overall rather good - if you're getting negatives from both myself and another vendor who has universally well-received products then that's something very odd, no?

How many customers have tested their shipments? As far as I know the sulfuric acid solution is pretty stable. I purchased the kit form dance safe about a year ago. I still have a receipt. Objectively a mixture of caffeine and 2CI would give a similar 'MDMA" effect to the novice Additionally, 5-MeO-AMT is also very similar to MDMA in it side effects.
At least two that I know got caps from the same batch - there's a third but I think his probably came from batch 2.
Haven't ever handled 5-MeO-AMT either actually.

The people who I sent out test samples to were hardly novices. I'll message a few of them and see if I can get some feedback on here.

Please do, like I stated before, I have pictures of everything. I will also order a new reagent kit today, to remove any doubts on my side.
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: MDUK on March 22, 2013, 09:34 pm
Please do, like I stated before, I have pictures of everything. I will also order a new reagent kit today, to remove any doubts on my side.
A quick google search suggests that your test kit is probably past its shelf-life, so that'd probably be a good plan:
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/106915-Is-my-tester-going-bad
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: ruby123 on March 22, 2013, 09:52 pm
Please do, like I stated before, I have pictures of everything. I will also order a new reagent kit today, to remove any doubts on my side.
A quick google search suggests that your test kit is probably past its shelf-life, so that'd probably be a good plan:
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/106915-Is-my-tester-going-bad

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Just placed my order, I will give you benefit of the doubt, hopefully the kit is bad. I was looking forward to be rolling face! The kit has been stored in a cool place and is 10 months old.
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: danknasty on March 22, 2013, 09:53 pm
MDUK's got a forum presence thats for sure, dont know why he'd front. Interested to hear if it was just a faulty test strip, keep us posted. Who would you guys recommend for mdma?
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: ruby123 on March 22, 2013, 09:54 pm
Go to TommorowMan from Canada, 45 a gram real good.  Got it in 3 days to US real fast, awesome guy, domestic vendors are to expensive.  Not really risky at all from him either, it's like domestic shipping awesome stealth.

Have you reagent tested his product? I am not worried about personal amounts being confiscated....
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: White 0ut on March 22, 2013, 09:56 pm
Please do, like I stated before, I have pictures of everything. I will also order a new reagent kit today, to remove any doubts on my side.
A quick google search suggests that your test kit is probably past its shelf-life, so that'd probably be a good plan:
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/106915-Is-my-tester-going-bad

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Just placed my order, I will give you benefit of the doubt, hopefully the kit is bad. I was looking forward to be rolling face! The kit has been stored in a cool place and is 10 months old.

You should delete this thread in the meantime, as it is harmful to a vendors business and until known for a legit fact, as of now I would consider this misinformation and slander to me personally.

Not involved in any way with either of you, just a passerby.
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: frankfurta68 on March 22, 2013, 09:57 pm
oops
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: ruby123 on March 22, 2013, 10:03 pm
Please do, like I stated before, I have pictures of everything. I will also order a new reagent kit today, to remove any doubts on my side.
A quick google search suggests that your test kit is probably past its shelf-life, so that'd probably be a good plan:
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/106915-Is-my-tester-going-bad

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Just placed my order, I will give you benefit of the doubt, hopefully the kit is bad. I was looking forward to be rolling face! The kit has been stored in a cool place and is 10 months old.

You should delete this thread in the meantime, as it is harmful to a vendors business and until known for a legit fact, as of now I would consider this misinformation and slander to me personally.

Not involved in any way with either of you, just a passerby.

My kit is 10 months old,  the capsules tested positive for a misrepresented chemical.I think this information should be disclosed to everyone. I am putting everything out in the open, that is how a free market functions.If I am wrong I will fully accept culpability. But I do not see the formaldehyde coming out of solution within the time frame which I have owned the Marquis test.
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: blahblah1234 on March 22, 2013, 10:09 pm
Seeing all this, I just bought me a fresh test kit too!
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: danknasty on March 22, 2013, 10:14 pm
Gotta get another test kit as well I guess, really hope yours is just messing up though dude haha. Damn shame if everyone is scamming and slingin RC's now a days.
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: ruby123 on March 22, 2013, 10:15 pm
Seeing all this, I just bought me a fresh test kit too!

25$ on DanceSafe the testing kits are a very smart investment. That is the problem with the illicit drug market, misrepresentation and adulteration. If we could buy pure substances from a store, many of the deleterious effects from drug consumption would be mitigated.
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: ruby123 on March 22, 2013, 10:23 pm
Gotta get another test kit as well I guess, really hope yours is just messing up though dude haha. Damn shame if everyone is scamming and slingin RC's now a days.
5

Look at the examples on PillReports....98 of the "MDMA" samples are RC's or some other weird shit....Really fucking pisses me off, people need to wake up and test their shit...Pure MDMA can be quite safe, but if you sell kids some weird hallucinogenic chemical, it could cause serious harm. This only gives ammunition to politicians and the media, to rant about "drug are bad". People should be free to make their own choices.However,those choices need to be based upon accurate, reliable information.
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: soralangg on March 22, 2013, 10:31 pm
I still have a cap of MDUK's mdma, im going to see if I can get a test kit in town in the morning, but they are a tad harder to get in the UK over the counter and im out at the moment. As for the trip I did only take one which for my body weight is low, but I still felt it was good stuff. Also my own thoughts is if someone is going to sell bunk mdma there would be better chemicals than 2c-i to use, and as a new vendor that's just opened up shop at their own cost its financial suicide.

As mentioned everything is up for scrutiny here and that is a good thing.
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: PBnJelly on March 22, 2013, 10:33 pm
Anyone know the differnce between the different color crystal mdma?
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: danknasty on March 22, 2013, 10:46 pm
The misrepresentation and selling of RC's as Acid and MDMA is the biggest fucking disservice to both drug users and the rest of the world. Some fucked up shit
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: Kingoftheroundtable on March 22, 2013, 10:47 pm
try mollyexpress he is domestic and even gave a free sample to me. Didn't have a test kit but I used my friend as a guinea pig before I tried it and he said it was an intense roll, I on the other hand had a mild roll. but it came in mostly crystals and he is domestic. good luck!
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: Kingoftheroundtable on March 22, 2013, 10:49 pm
the best molly I ever got had was clear with a purple tint, but I've seen a couple with a clear brownish tint
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: imghost9 on March 22, 2013, 10:54 pm
I wouldn't take it anybody knows where chemicalsisters are?
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: PBnJelly on March 22, 2013, 11:13 pm
old amsterdam has purple crystal was good twice the price in the us then europe but still well worth it
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: ruby123 on March 22, 2013, 11:20 pm
Just obtaining a feeling from "molly" or "MDMA" doesn't  necessarily indicate the ingestion of pure MDMA. A lot of the research chemicals have similar effects. Pure MDMA has a feeling like no other, a certain region of your brain is tapped into. Everyone should 100% test their drug 100% of the time.
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: ruby123 on March 22, 2013, 11:24 pm
old amsterdam has purple crystal was good twice the price in the us then europe but still well worth it

Have you tested it for purity? Aidoneus's "MDMA" was allegedly from a batch from OA...If anyone can recommend a source for true MDMA please let me know. I am trying to rave out in a few weeks.....
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: djebz on March 22, 2013, 11:28 pm
This is what I am worried about. As a new guy here, I'm sure they are legit vendors here, but I'm sure there are also vendors who fake reviews, or might do selective scamming. Not really sure what's really in it for them to do that though. Especially with MDMA. In certain places it is so hard to come by now, that anyone who really can get a hold of it stands to make a fortune from repeat customers.
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: danknasty on March 22, 2013, 11:57 pm
Whats the best way to avoid selective scamming, receiving RC's instead of the drug you ordered in particular.
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: fxr on March 23, 2013, 12:05 am
This is a great thread.

Sounds like a dodgy testing kit to me and hope that turns out to be the case then everyone's a winner.
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: djebz on March 23, 2013, 12:08 am
I don't think the test kit was dodgy. Either the OP is lying about his results, or his test kit was telling the truth. I've had test kits work well over two years. The Maquis kept in a cool dry place is very stable, and I highly doubt it was made wrong .
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: thelovedragon on March 23, 2013, 12:09 am
hmmmm.......subbed
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: Mescstars on March 23, 2013, 12:18 am
only buy from vendors who have a proven and consistent track record with the best feedback and ratings!  and you will avoid being cheated by dishonest vendors.
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: ruby123 on March 23, 2013, 01:11 am
I am glad people are questioning me; this is how a free market works.I have receipts form when I purchased the original test kit last year and have photos of the recent results.Both molly capsules reacted and provided different results.Logic would seem to indicate that if the reagent was bad, no reaction would occur. My new test kit will be in next week. It is not about the money for me. I was sold some very weird chemical last year down in Miami during WMC/Ultra week. This chemical was sold to me as MDMA/"Molly", it  put me in a very weird state, where I felt my heart about to beat out of my chest.I seriously felt like my conscious was going to escape from my pineal gland. If I hadn't been experienced with psychedelics and how to control my mental state, I probably would have ended up in the ER. My only wish is that people actually push really MDMA; many of the research chemicals are very dangerous and  can lead to serious harm if you are unaware what drug you've taken. This harms the entire scene.Even this marvelous resource the Silk Road potentially could be negatively effected if someone bugs out. People should know what they are consuming. Test kits are very cheap and can be found on DanceSafe.org
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: MDUK on March 23, 2013, 01:29 am
Logic would seem to indicate that if the reagent was bad, no reaction would occur.
Not necessarily?

Something that might be worth a look to indicate if it has gone bad (because that would be fascinating to me) is this list (warning .gov site):
https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/183258.pdf

Go to page 4 - Marquis is reagent A.5 - that gives you a list of other chemicals it should change colour when exposed to, like aspirin - you might have something around you can try it on.
Ultimately I'm just waiting or your other test to show up.

Edit: Also available here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marquis_reagent

Anyway, I'm going to be sending samples of both my caps (I have a few left over from that batch) and my MDMA to the MDMA avengers group on the forum here - they can give me some nice analysis.

Please do, like I stated before, I have pictures of everything. I will also order a new reagent kit today, to remove any doubts on my side.
A quick google search suggests that your test kit is probably past its shelf-life, so that'd probably be a good plan:
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/106915-Is-my-tester-going-bad

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Just placed my order, I will give you benefit of the doubt, hopefully the kit is bad. I was looking forward to be rolling face! The kit has been stored in a cool place and is 10 months old.

You should delete this thread in the meantime, as it is harmful to a vendors business and until known for a legit fact, as of now I would consider this misinformation and slander to me personally.

Not involved in any way with either of you, just a passerby.
I'd rather have it on here than just on my feedback page, at least this way I can have a chance to respond.
It has rather fucked over my stats though, if you check out my vendor feedback page it's pretty striking...

I still have a cap of MDUK's mdma, im going to see if I can get a test kit in town in the morning, but they are a tad harder to get in the UK over the counter and im out at the moment. As for the trip I did only take one which for my body weight is low, but I still felt it was good stuff. Also my own thoughts is if someone is going to sell bunk mdma there would be better chemicals than 2c-i to use, and as a new vendor that's just opened up shop at their own cost its financial suicide.

As mentioned everything is up for scrutiny here and that is a good thing.
Exactly.
There's a hell of a lot more money to be made here being honest and selling a good quality product than attempting to scam people. I'm not familiar with the price of the 2C's, but I suspect I'd be better off selling 1000 caps per month making a couple of bucks per cap.
The reason I sell MDMA and not any other drug is because I have a serious love for it as a chemical and it irritates me when the quality of street MDMA is so poor. To be accused of misrepresenting my own products is more than a little infuriating.

Hopefully my sample and the other vendor's can be re-tested asap - I'd really quite like to get this sorted...
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: MFresh on March 23, 2013, 03:16 am
MDUK, message me please if u sell bulk with prices.
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: MDUK on March 23, 2013, 03:46 am
MDUK, message me please if u sell bulk with prices.
This isn't the sort of thread I was expecting to be arranging sales in :P
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: ruby123 on March 23, 2013, 03:49 am
I am aware of your view, which is why I purchased from you. You seemed very truthfully genuine in our conversations. Honestly, I was unaware of the reagents short expiration date. On the reagent bottle, no where is there any listing of an expiration date ,nor are there references that I saw in the provided wikipedia and njstate link. That NJ source lists many reactions for CHCL3 ( Chloroform). The Marquis reagent is a solution of H2SO4 (sulfuric acid) and Formaldehyde/ CH2O.  From my perspective, I hope you can understand my skepticism. If my rating was premature I apologize. I was extremely irritated upon repeated tests indicating the same presence of an adulterated product. I have had a bad experience once, and if this is indeed 2C1 or another derivative people need to know.
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: blahblah1234 on March 23, 2013, 03:50 am
I just bought a decent batch of the OA stuff from Aidoneus too.  It certainly tasted like what has tested out positive in the past but I am waiting for my test kit to arrive to verify.  I will try to post the results.  In addition, i have an 8 ball of clear stuff with purple tint that I want to test as well that I got from soandso, plus some tan from someone else.  They all tasted and smelled legit so I don't think there is an issue but this thread is making me think twice.  It's the best thing to do anyway, trust but verify...

I bought 3 different reagents, Mecke, Marquis, and Simons.  I am going to run some MDA through it too. I know that stuff is pure and I will be verifying the reagents are what they say the are!

I think maybe I will test my cheerios too, make sure I am eating real cereal.

Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: ruby123 on March 23, 2013, 03:54 am
I just bought a decent batch of the OA stuff from Aidoneus too.  It certainly tasted like what has tested out positive in the past but I am waiting for my test kit to arrive to verify.  I will try to post the results.  In addition, i have an 8 ball of clear stuff with purple tint that I want to test as well that I got from soandso, plus some tan from someone else.  They all tasted and smelled legit so I don't think there is an issue but this thread is making me think twice.  It's the best thing to do anyway, trust but verify...

I bought 3 different reagents, Mecke, Marquis, and Simons.  I am going to run some MDA through it too. I know that stuff is pure and I will be verifying the reagents are what they say the are!

I think maybe I will test my cheerios too, make sure I am eating real cereal.

keep me posted on your results. I just ordered new batches of the above reagents also.
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: MDUK on March 23, 2013, 03:57 am
I am aware of your view, which is why I purchased from you. You seemed very truthfully genuine in our conversations. Honestly, I was unaware of the reagents short expiration date. On the reagent bottle, no where is there any listing of an expiration date ,nor are there references that I saw in the provided wikipedia and njstate link. That NJ source lists many reactions for CHCL3 ( Chloroform). The Marquis reagent is a solution of H2SO4 (sulfuric acid) and Formaldehyde/ CH2O.  From my perspective, I hope you can understand my skepticism. If my rating was premature I apologize. I was extremely irritated upon repeated tests indicating the same presence of an adulterated product. I have had a bad experience once, and if this is indeed 2C1 or another derivative people need to know.

Well I know what I sent you and I'm comfortable with what I sent you - I'd be fairly confident Aidoneus wouldn't be trying to screw you over either. Hopefully your new tests arrive quickly and we can sort this all out :)
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: ruby123 on March 23, 2013, 04:09 am
I am aware of your view, which is why I purchased from you. You seemed very truthfully genuine in our conversations. Honestly, I was unaware of the reagents short expiration date. On the reagent bottle, no where is there any listing of an expiration date ,nor are there references that I saw in the provided wikipedia and njstate link. That NJ source lists many reactions for CHCL3 ( Chloroform). The Marquis reagent is a solution of H2SO4 (sulfuric acid) and Formaldehyde/ CH2O.  From my perspective, I hope you can understand my skepticism. If my rating was premature I apologize. I was extremely irritated upon repeated tests indicating the same presence of an adulterated product. I have had a bad experience once, and if this is indeed 2C1 or another derivative people need to know.

Well I know what I sent you and I'm comfortable with what I sent you - I'd be fairly confident Aidoneus wouldn't be trying to screw you over either. Hopefully your new tests arrive quickly and we can sort this all out :)

The testing kits should be in by Thursday. I am truly a cynic with a lack of faith in humanity...sorry
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: Intraday Cosmonaut on March 23, 2013, 04:57 am
interested to see where this goes ...subbed
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: MDUK on March 23, 2013, 06:03 am
I am aware of your view, which is why I purchased from you. You seemed very truthfully genuine in our conversations. Honestly, I was unaware of the reagents short expiration date. On the reagent bottle, no where is there any listing of an expiration date ,nor are there references that I saw in the provided wikipedia and njstate link. That NJ source lists many reactions for CHCL3 ( Chloroform). The Marquis reagent is a solution of H2SO4 (sulfuric acid) and Formaldehyde/ CH2O.  From my perspective, I hope you can understand my skepticism. If my rating was premature I apologize. I was extremely irritated upon repeated tests indicating the same presence of an adulterated product. I have had a bad experience once, and if this is indeed 2C1 or another derivative people need to know.

Well I know what I sent you and I'm comfortable with what I sent you - I'd be fairly confident Aidoneus wouldn't be trying to screw you over either. Hopefully your new tests arrive quickly and we can sort this all out :)

The testing kits should be in by Thursday. I am truly a cynic with a lack of faith in humanity...sorry
I just wish you'd contacted me first before trashing my shiny new vendor account on the basis of a rather suspect reagent test...
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: ruby123 on March 23, 2013, 06:17 am
I am aware of your view, which is why I purchased from you. You seemed very truthfully genuine in our conversations. Honestly, I was unaware of the reagents short expiration date. On the reagent bottle, no where is there any listing of an expiration date ,nor are there references that I saw in the provided wikipedia and njstate link. That NJ source lists many reactions for CHCL3 ( Chloroform). The Marquis reagent is a solution of H2SO4 (sulfuric acid) and Formaldehyde/ CH2O.  From my perspective, I hope you can understand my skepticism. If my rating was premature I apologize. I was extremely irritated upon repeated tests indicating the same presence of an adulterated product. I have had a bad experience once, and if this is indeed 2C1 or another derivative people need to know.

Well I know what I sent you and I'm comfortable with what I sent you - I'd be fairly confident Aidoneus wouldn't be trying to screw you over either. Hopefully your new tests arrive quickly and we can sort this all out :)

The testing kits should be in by Thursday. I am truly a cynic with a lack of faith in humanity...sorry
I just wish you'd contacted me first before trashing my shiny new vendor account on the basis of a rather suspect reagent test...

Do you have a citation to provide indicating that the Marquis reagent has a definitive expiration date? The bluelight.ru reference has one vague statement indicating that "1 year is too old";  the comment lacks supporting literature to back up that statement.I really hope I am wrong, If I am I will write you the most glowing review possible :) I will do some research on my own and consult one of my chemical engineering friends this weekend
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: GhosterS on March 23, 2013, 06:25 am
Good luck bro  :(
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: ruby123 on March 23, 2013, 06:28 am
Good luck bro  :(

Thanks, this should be a wake up call to the community to always test your product. There is no excuse not to.I truly wonder how many people reagent test their MDMA?????
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: MDUK on March 23, 2013, 06:32 am
I am aware of your view, which is why I purchased from you. You seemed very truthfully genuine in our conversations. Honestly, I was unaware of the reagents short expiration date. On the reagent bottle, no where is there any listing of an expiration date ,nor are there references that I saw in the provided wikipedia and njstate link. That NJ source lists many reactions for CHCL3 ( Chloroform). The Marquis reagent is a solution of H2SO4 (sulfuric acid) and Formaldehyde/ CH2O.  From my perspective, I hope you can understand my skepticism. If my rating was premature I apologize. I was extremely irritated upon repeated tests indicating the same presence of an adulterated product. I have had a bad experience once, and if this is indeed 2C1 or another derivative people need to know.

Well I know what I sent you and I'm comfortable with what I sent you - I'd be fairly confident Aidoneus wouldn't be trying to screw you over either. Hopefully your new tests arrive quickly and we can sort this all out :)

The testing kits should be in by Thursday. I am truly a cynic with a lack of faith in humanity...sorry
I just wish you'd contacted me first before trashing my shiny new vendor account on the basis of a rather suspect reagent test...

Do you have a citation to provide indicating that the Marquis reagent has a definitive expiration date? The bluelight.ru reference has one vague statement indicating that "1 year is too old";  the comment lacks supporting literature to back up that statement.I really hope I am wrong, If I am I will write you the most glowing review possible :) I will do some research on my own and consult one of my chemical engineering friends this weekend
Cool - I'm not super-familiar with the dancesafe kits but I think eztest state 3 years if the bottle is unopened and kept chilled but if it's been opened then 3 months.

There's a slightly more detailed thread here:
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/485921-Is-my-Marquis-bad

Basically you can test it against sugar and aspirin if you have either or both of those two things and see whether it reacts in the way you'd expect (dark brown/black for sugar, dark red for aspirin).
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: motek on March 23, 2013, 06:43 am
Quote
The Marquis reagent is <12 months old, it reacted with both orders and came up with different results.

you do know this stuff CAN go 'off' after opening!  ???   Sometimes bottles < 6 months old can be useless!! ...for one thing, the sulphuric acid can oxidize especially when exposed to moist air,  and consequently you will get all sorts of "wrong"  results  :o . ..  that's why it is strongly suggested that fresh reagents are used in the laboratory, usually one would make them as required  8)


ClearNet Warning!    http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mdma/mdma_faq_testing_kits.shtml
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: MDUK on March 23, 2013, 12:38 pm
Quote
The Marquis reagent is <12 months old, it reacted with both orders and came up with different results.

you do know this stuff CAN go 'off' after opening!  ???   Sometimes bottles < 6 months old can be useless!! ...for one thing, the sulphuric acid can oxidize especially when exposed to moist air,  and consequently you will get all sorts of "wrong"  results  :o . ..  that's why it is strongly suggested that fresh reagents are used in the laboratory, usually one would make them as required  8)


ClearNet Warning!    http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mdma/mdma_faq_testing_kits.shtml
This is the fascinating thing about this thread for me - I've always bought large packs of the single-use tests and used them quite quickly. Had no idea this could even happen until I was looking for an explanation to just what the hell could be going on here.
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: soralangg on March 23, 2013, 03:02 pm
My town is crap, going to have to order some kits online! The look I got was something else, nearly as bad as when I asked if they sold glass vaporizer bulb pipes (crack pipes).  I think they thought I wanted something to test myself as well :/
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: MDUK on March 23, 2013, 03:24 pm
My town is crap, going to have to order some kits online! The look I got was something else, nearly as bad as when I asked if they sold glass vaporizer bulb pipes (crack pipes).  I think they thought I wanted something to test myself as well :/
I only know of one place that sells them locally, and even there they're out of stock like 80% of the time. Shame really, but at least they're easy to get online.
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: atman on March 23, 2013, 03:33 pm
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Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: ruby123 on March 23, 2013, 06:07 pm
Quote
The Marquis reagent is <12 months old, it reacted with both orders and came up with different results.

you do know this stuff CAN go 'off' after opening!  ???   Sometimes bottles < 6 months old can be useless!! ...for one thing, the sulphuric acid can oxidize especially when exposed to moist air,  and consequently you will get all sorts of "wrong"  results  :o . ..  that's why it is strongly suggested that fresh reagents are used in the laboratory, usually one would make them as required  8)


ClearNet Warning!    http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mdma/mdma_faq_testing_kits.shtml

How long is a kit good for?

Testing kits will eventually go bad. At this point we've heard that they can go bad in as little as six months, though some people have had them stay useful for years when they are stored cold and air-tight. Keeping the testing kit reagent in a well-sealing dark glass bottle, cool or refrigerated may help extend its life.

From what I gather the tests can go bad after 6 months. I haven't seen anything definitive pertaining to a time frame even on the home scientist youtube video. I will admit that I haven't kept the reagent in the fridge, but it was stored in a cool dark place. The reagent was also sealed. I have used it once before this test where I found out I was sold bk-MDMA. I really hope I made the mistake of accepting erroneous results. I use reagents kits a lot in hobby of mine; they're famously imprecise but reliable to see ranges.  Usually the reagents have an expiration date of a year. If I truly am wrong, my bad, I wasn't trying to discredit any vendor intentionally. I tested my current reagent batch with sugar...it turned brown instantly, this appears to mean that kit is borderline expired from the bluelight.ru( would like to see references) .I will pick up some aspirin later today.
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: PBnJelly on March 25, 2013, 02:12 am
anyone test the stuff from oldamsterdam? or whoever his european source is..I forget
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: nettrader7 on March 25, 2013, 02:29 am
ah sorry to hear that dude. MDMA I never tried. Hopefully the pros on this forum can assist you.
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: ruby123 on March 25, 2013, 02:33 am
I am just waiting on my new regents to arrive. They should be here within a few days. I will know for sure at that point whether I've been scammed.
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: PBnJelly on March 25, 2013, 02:37 am
Can't you tell for the most part by taking it? Also it has a distinct smell and taste..
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: ruby123 on March 25, 2013, 02:42 am
Both of which are subjective. Many research chemicals have a similar appearance. The RCs also have resembling side effects. Best bet is to always test.
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: jentyb on March 25, 2013, 02:55 am
That sucks man..
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: ruby123 on March 25, 2013, 03:06 am
That sucks man..

Caveat Emptor
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: PBnJelly on March 25, 2013, 03:13 am
The stuff I got felt like MDMA but somewhat lacked that loved up feeling this is also possible being i took it with this girl i kinda hate so i dunno or if ive just passed that 50x lost the magic mark or if its just not the best stuff...kinda hard to say
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: ruby123 on March 25, 2013, 03:26 am
Pure MDMA gives you an experience you won't forget. Nothing compares to it, the feeling is pretty different from other chemicals.Very empathetic, energetic and happy.
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: holdenoversoul on March 25, 2013, 03:26 am
i am of the mind set that for the moment this should have been kept between buyer and seller...it was not quite ready for prime time
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: BankofBTC on March 25, 2013, 04:06 am
Test kits are always a necessity!
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: imghost9 on March 25, 2013, 04:10 am
Test kits are always a necessity!

Do you happen to know where I could find 1 and how much It would run me In USD
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: MDUK on March 25, 2013, 04:16 am
i am of the mind set that for the moment this should have been kept between buyer and seller...it was not quite ready for prime time
Yup.

Test kits are always a necessity!

Do you happen to know where I could find 1 and how much It would run me In USD
Basically the two options are DanceSafe and EZtest. I haven't tried the DanceSafe ones personally but I have no end of good things to say about the EZtest kits.
There's probably not much difference in brands, since they are the same reagent but with perhaps slightly different amounts of methanol.
Should cost you about $9 for a couple of single-use tests, or >$20 for a bottle, if you get a bottle you should test it every few weeks against a baseline of sugar, aspirin and ideally some known good MDMA to make sure it's still good (or you'll end up with threads like this one).
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: imghost9 on March 25, 2013, 04:21 am
i am of the mind set that for the moment this should have been kept between buyer and seller...it was not quite ready for prime time
Yup.

Test kits are always a necessity!

Do you happen to know where I could find 1 and how much It would run me In USD
Basically the two options are DanceSafe and EZtest. I haven't tried the DanceSafe ones personally but I have no end of good things to say about the EZtest kits.
There's probably not much difference in brands, since they are the same reagent but with perhaps slightly different amounts of methanol.
Should cost you about $9 for a couple of single-use tests, or >$20 for a bottle, if you get a bottle you should test it every few weeks against a baseline of sugar, aspirin and ideally some known good MDMA to make sure it's still good (or you'll end up with threads like this one).

Damn thanks man. I just ordered some MDMA myself and I can't for the life of me understand why someone wouldn't pay $9 extra to see what they're putting In their body.
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: rxsunshine on March 25, 2013, 04:47 am
has anyone ordered from mister m100? this is my third mdma order for personal use and hope it is better than my last two orders, which were good, i just expected better. i was kind of iffy ordering from overseas but the price was right and so were the reviews.
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: jackofspades on March 25, 2013, 05:14 am
Ive heard M100 is good,

i myself ordered my first Mdma from SR about 3 weeks ago so im hoping to get it in the next few days

i bought 10g from DutchTrade and 5g from Chemicalsisters
on the same day
both confirmed 'in transit' on the same day
and both sellers went on vacation mode shortly after...weird

hope it comes soon
but i do not have a test kit
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: Mescstars on March 25, 2013, 05:37 am
Name of 2 vendors please? I am also looking to purchase some REAL MDMA
don't know if you found anyone to get some good pure Mdma from yet? , but I want to recommend UnderGroundSyndicate /UGS he has some of the best Molly I ever tried really relaxing with a very deep body high and not too speedy, also Marquis tested over 84% pure.   check him out here.   http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/item/240b557eb7
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: rxsunshine on March 25, 2013, 06:18 am
i believe cousin molly to be a good source for good molly. i think i have still had better molly from local street dealer though. hopefully my order from m100 will be good. i ordered it friday so it will be a couple weeks before i know i guess. will update though.
i might try ugs next time. ive heard that he has some pretty good from a couple ppl.
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: l33tn355 on March 25, 2013, 08:11 am
KarmaPharm has some good USA domestic stuff. Tests clean and rolls clean 8)

http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/item/ceb3a8320d/

You gotta be picky when it comes to buying this shit. If a vendor doesn't scream quality, then move along.
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: ruby123 on March 25, 2013, 04:31 pm
KarmaPharm has some good USA domestic stuff. Tests clean and rolls clean 8)

http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/item/ceb3a8320d/

You gotta be picky when it comes to buying this shit. If a vendor doesn't scream quality, then move along.

Yeah man, everyone obviously has to be really careful. I was hoping that with the scrutiny and clear experience of many users on the SR things would be somewhat different than the street.I received kind of a dick message from Aidoneus upon questioning his purity.We will see what that batch tests out as. One thing which concerns me is the response, when you question someone directly, generally them taking offense is a sign of alarm. Especially when the reagent test reacts positively to 5-MeO-AMT...A very similar experience to MDMA, but way more toxic/dangerous.
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: ruby123 on March 25, 2013, 04:45 pm
i am of the mind set that for the moment this should have been kept between buyer and seller...it was not quite ready for prime time
Yup.

Test kits are always a necessity!

Do you happen to know where I could find 1 and how much It would run me In USD
Basically the two options are DanceSafe and EZtest. I haven't tried the DanceSafe ones personally but I have no end of good things to say about the EZtest kits.
There's probably not much difference in brands, since they are the same reagent but with perhaps slightly different amounts of methanol.
Should cost you about $9 for a couple of single-use tests, or >$20 for a bottle, if you get a bottle you should test it every few weeks against a baseline of sugar, aspirin and ideally some known good MDMA to make sure it's still good (or you'll end up with threads like this one).

I am aware that I might have jumped to conclusions possibility prematurely. And if this is case being truly my fuck up, then I will accept full responsibility. I really do not think I acted out of line; my actions were out of concern for other buyers. I have been very open about this situation to everyone. I should not have wrote the negative review in haste; at that moment I was very pissed off, not thinking clearly.I finalized your payment because this is not about the money for me. You do not seem to be a person who would do this, however on the internet who knows.
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: ruby123 on March 25, 2013, 07:28 pm
New reagents arrived....both MDUK and Aidoneus's samples turned dark black with smoke right away.....I fucked up and I will admit it. My faith in humanity and the SR has been restored. 
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: soralangg on March 25, 2013, 07:53 pm
New reagents arrived....both MDUK and Aidoneus's samples turned dark black with smoke right away.....I fucked up and I will admit it. My faith in humanity and the SR has been restored.

Good that this is all resolved :D  Now there is only one thing left to do......


GO ROLL YOUR FUCKING BALLS OFF!!

(oh and maybe edit the title etc lol)
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: safras on March 25, 2013, 08:01 pm
New reagents arrived....both MDUK and Aidoneus's samples turned dark black with smoke right away.....I fucked up and I will admit it. My faith in humanity and the SR has been restored.
Glad it got resolved and thanks for admitting your fault (a rare thing on the Internet).
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: ruby123 on March 25, 2013, 08:11 pm
I know, I feel like a complete asshole now. I just wanted to put things out into the open. When buying chemicals in person or  from an acquaintance there is a degree of accountability. For instance, if I ever run into the guy who sold me the RC down in Miami, which is quite possible considering he "promotes" for a popular club within a very large city, I will beat the living shit out of him..I honestly had no idea that the Marquis reagent would spoil so quickly. From now on, I will be buying new kits every few months. I do not consumer MDMA frequently, but it is never a bad idea to double check. Hopefully both MDUK and Aidoneus will forgive me  ???
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: DomesticDude on March 25, 2013, 08:18 pm
considering this was my first purchase on the road. I figured I would gamble with 100$. The pils I ordered from the UK turned out to be 2CI or B (Green Marquis reaction) Pills mostly full of white powder few crystals.. This is exactly what I didn't want. If i wanted to roll the dice and take "molly" I would go buy some on the street. What is my next step to resolve this issue? Any recommendations would be appreciated. Really pissed off because I specifically told the vendor I have test kits and that I do not want any research chemicals. I am not an idiot, I have a science degree affording my competency in chemistry etc..

Update: my second "MDMA" order also tested positive for AMT(Brown Marquis reaction) NO MDMA....is there really pure MDMA on the road? or is it all just bunk..Looks like I am going to have to play chemist with some safrole... I just flushed 2 grams of bk-MDMA I purchased which was  obviously fake the other day too

U.S.A = Domesticdude
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: hairmug on March 25, 2013, 08:20 pm
Wow, props to Ruby for admitting his error and to the vendors for their constructive engagement in resolving this. Test kits do expire and it's important that everyone is aware of this and hopefully this thread can serve as an example of this lesson.

Good to know the vendors are honest! :)
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: MDUK on March 25, 2013, 08:52 pm
New reagents arrived....both MDUK and Aidoneus's samples turned dark black with smoke right away.....I fucked up and I will admit it. My faith in humanity and the SR has been restored.
Yaaaay
I knew this would get sorted out sooner or later.
Let me know what you think of the caps :)

Hopefully both MDUK and Aidoneus will forgive me  ???
I think I'll find a way once the 1/5 review's gone from my vendor page :P


Good to know this is all sorted out - I think I'll archive this thread for future use if anyone asks me about the life of Marquis tests!
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: wolleywollem on March 25, 2013, 09:27 pm
ehi cammel rider,

I think that on SR the patient and relaxed mind is necessary.

I try to perform meditations and positive thinking.

Hoping everything will be good for us.

Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: blahblah1234 on March 25, 2013, 09:55 pm
I know, I feel like a complete asshole now. I just wanted to put things out into the open. When buying chemicals in person or  from an acquaintance there is a degree of accountability. For instance, if I ever run into the guy who sold me the RC down in Miami, which is quite possible considering he "promotes" for a popular club within a very large city, I will beat the living shit out of him..I honestly had no idea that the Marquis reagent would spoil so quickly. From now on, I will be buying new kits every few months. I do not consumer MDMA frequently, but it is never a bad idea to double check. Hopefully both MDUK and Aidoneus will forgive me  ???

Good news that it was just an expired test kit.  Did you update your feedback yet?  Some people don't realize you can go back and change it.  Click on account at the top of SR and on the right you can view and edit your feedback, you need to update that 1 to a 5!!!!  Thanks for looking out for the rest of us!

blahblah1234
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: caman420 on March 25, 2013, 09:57 pm
IS THIS A COMMON SCAM?
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: wolleywollem on March 25, 2013, 09:59 pm
SR is perfect and safe
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: PaperBoyz on March 25, 2013, 10:14 pm
Wow, fuck that vendor. What has Silk come to? Report that fag right now...
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: trippylizard on March 25, 2013, 10:16 pm
Anyone know anywhere selling Marquis reagent at non eye-gouging prices? $25 for what amounts to a few cents of formaldehyde and sulfuric acid really is taking the piss.

Or.... any dealers currently selling MDMA fancy a sideline? Get yourself some formaldehyde and sulfuric and a load of 5ml eyedropper vials, and sell testing kits for like, $5. I'd order one from you ;)
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: MDUK on March 25, 2013, 10:19 pm
Wow, fuck that vendor. What has Silk come to? Report that fag right now...
If you'd read the last page of the thread you'd have seen this:

New reagents arrived....both MDUK and Aidoneus's samples turned dark black with smoke right away.....I fucked up and I will admit it. My faith in humanity and the SR has been restored.

But yeah, sure, fuck me, right? ;)

Anyone know anywhere selling Marquis reagent at non eye-gouging prices? $25 for what amounts to a few cents of formaldehyde and sulfuric acid really is taking the piss.

Or.... any dealers currently selling MDMA fancy a sideline? Get yourself some formaldehyde and sulfuric and a load of 5ml eyedropper vials, and sell testing kits for like, $5. I'd order one from you ;)
http://www.eztestkits.com/en/ez-testing-kits/marquis-ez-testing-kit

^2 tests for £4.99/$8.14
Not sure about US shipping though.
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: ruby123 on March 25, 2013, 10:24 pm
New reagents arrived....both MDUK and Aidoneus's samples turned dark black with smoke right away.....I fucked up and I will admit it. My faith in humanity and the SR has been restored.
Yaaaay
I knew this would get sorted out sooner or later.
Let me know what you think of the caps :)

Hopefully both MDUK and Aidoneus will forgive me  ???
I think I'll find a way once the 1/5 review's gone from my vendor page :P


Good to know this is all sorted out - I think I'll archive this thread for future use if anyone asks me about the life of Marquis tests!

I will edit my review as soon as the road comes back up. My Mecke reagent should be in tomorrow. I am not questioning the product anymore though.Again, I am sorry for all of this. My mistake in jumping to conclusions. Next time I will have a chance to roll won't be until a few weeks. I will be sure to let you know  8)
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: l33tn355 on March 25, 2013, 10:36 pm
Anyone know anywhere selling Marquis reagent at non eye-gouging prices? $25 for what amounts to a few cents of formaldehyde and sulfuric acid really is taking the piss.

Or.... any dealers currently selling MDMA fancy a sideline? Get yourself some formaldehyde and sulfuric and a load of 5ml eyedropper vials, and sell testing kits for like, $5. I'd order one from you ;)

You can get 10 Marquis tests on Amazon for $16 and free shipping if you have a prime account. That's what I use, and once you go through the 10, chances are they're getting old anyways.
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: TheWire on March 25, 2013, 10:42 pm
zzzzzzzz
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: quinone on March 25, 2013, 10:42 pm
considering this was my first purchase on the road. I figured I would gamble with 100$. The pils I ordered from the UK turned out to be 2CI or B (Green Marquis reaction) Pills mostly full of white powder few crystals.. This is exactly what I didn't want. If i wanted to roll the dice and take "molly" I would go buy some on the street. What is my next step to resolve this issue? Any recommendations would be appreciated. Really pissed off because I specifically told the vendor I have test kits and that I do not want any research chemicals. I am not an idiot, I have a science degree affording my competency in chemistry etc..

Update: my second "MDMA" order also tested positive for AMT(Brown Marquis reaction) NO MDMA....is there really pure MDMA on the road? or is it all just bunk..Looks like I am going to have to play chemist with some safrole... I just flushed 2 grams of bk-MDMA I purchased which was  obviously fake the other day too

MDMA   IS  A Research Chemical, just like all the other's you listed.  It's a phenethylamine analog subsituted by a resonance stabalized 3,4 dimethoxy moiety on the phenyl.  All 2C class drugs are phenethylamine analogs with 2 para methoxy group on the phenyl and the active constitutent at the 4' position (it's why MDMA is so effective, resonance stability locks the 4' bond from being cleaved).
 
1985, DEA hijacked it's own judicial branch by throwing the judge overseeing MDMA's scheduling off the bench when he suggested it be Schedule II and then a week later they 'emergency scheduled' it as a Schedule I chemical (and it remained emergency scheduled for much longer then was legal).   It's illegal to research established Schedule I drugs in any lab in North America, it's been a NON-RESEACH chemical since 1985 which is far more dangerous then these 'research chemicals' that scientists can actually ... research.

Just pisses me of people who are all freakish about 'research chemicals' not knowing what they're taking IS a research chemical, and the drug you seek, MDMA is THE ONE AND ONLY Research Chemical.  It's the king of unknowns and lack of research.  At least we can do phase I assaying on 2C's and whatnot.

Question becomes do you want an empathogenic or enactogenic experience, because ALL these drugs are going to afford some measure of damage to your body, but this amount of damage, in my view is extremely limited given that every inhalation you take is full of billions of particulate matter, with a diverse range of damaging and disruptive biochemical effects.  Our bodies have just adapted diverse methods of clearing them rather rapidly, and the same is true of amphetamine analogs.

ALL DRUGS ARE RESEARCH CHEMICALS and we need to eliminate this moniker your identifying with that 'Research Chemicals' are somehow more dangerous then 'Conventional Drugs' (which are ALSO RESEARCH CHEMICALS).
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: MDxxMan on March 25, 2013, 10:54 pm
I just ordered from TambourineMan his two tides pills. Total bunk garbage. has no mdma in it. I messaged him twice its been three days and no response.
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: ruby123 on March 25, 2013, 11:04 pm
All chemicals have their inherent dangers. My use of the improper nomenclature was used to describe the substances other than MDMA. My point was the danger in the unknown substance is typically from a person's mental reaction or place of consumption( set and setting) not necessarily in the neurological or biological toxicity.I wouldn't want to consume a strong hallucinogen within a nightclub or outdoor festival. Maybe at home, when I know for sure the expected effects. When I knowingly consume MDMA, I can practice the proper harm reduction strategies to minimize the deleterious effects.
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: blahblah1234 on March 25, 2013, 11:13 pm
I just ordered from TambourineMan his two tides pills. Total bunk garbage. has no mdma in it. I messaged him twice its been three days and no response.

Did you reagent test these?  What were the results?
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: oldschoolclubkid on March 25, 2013, 11:31 pm
this thread is why I love the SR community glad to see the issues was resolved and everyone is happy.
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: TheWire on March 25, 2013, 11:35 pm
copterofl
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: djebz on March 26, 2013, 12:41 am
I would also like to add an apology. I contributed to the thread stating that I have had marquis work for well over 2 years, so I figured the stuff sent was something else, as for my experience with testing. I guess some test kits last longer than others. Glad to hear that the new test kit stated positive results.
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: ProfADaemon on March 26, 2013, 12:49 am
Yes, I purchased from 2 different vendors because I am curious to see what is out there. I can verify everything photographically. Real pure MDMA is a challenge to come by. Why would I try to burn someone over 100$? I have a full time job which pays very well.
I'm not suggesting you're trying to burn people, I'm suggesting there could be something up with your test. Which, since it's apparently testing my capsules positive for a substance I've never owned or handled, seems rather likely.
The quality of MDMA on SR is overall rather good - if you're getting negatives from both myself and another vendor who has universally well-received products then that's something very odd, no?

How many customers have tested their shipments? As far as I know the sulfuric acid solution is pretty stable. I purchased the kit form dance safe about a year ago. I still have a receipt. Objectively a mixture of caffeine and 2CI would give a similar 'MDMA" effect to the novice Additionally, 5-MeO-AMT is also very similar to MDMA in it side effects but more dangerous/ higher toxicity.

You have no idea what you're talking about. 5-MeO-AMT has never been passed off as MDMA, only as LSD. It's an 18 hour visual psychedelic, not an ecstasy fake.

Marquis reagent is VERY unstable. It lasts 6 months or so, in refrigeration.
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: thelovedragon on March 26, 2013, 04:54 am
Props for clearing this up everyone. Goooo team SR :)
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: AshMonster86 on March 26, 2013, 06:18 pm
If your test kit is over a year old it is probably no good anymore, they usually only last 6 months or so, this is what happened to me also, especially if its brown instead of clear before u test anything
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: motek on March 27, 2013, 01:31 am
   that's really good to hear ruby123  ;D

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I honestly had no idea that the Marquis reagent would spoil so quickly.


Yeah,  that's one reason they come in sealed little plastic bags .... reduces the chances of the reagent "going off"
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: inthefade on March 27, 2013, 01:42 am
I'm glad this was settled, but maybe the first post should be edited with a big fat warning clarifying that the vendors are legit. Some people bump the thread and many can get (like I did the first time) the wrong idea. Now I wanna get me some of those ;)
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: blahblah1234 on March 27, 2013, 01:42 am
FYI all, I got my fresh testers and I tested the following just today:

Aedonius (sorry if I misspelled) resale of OldAmsterdam's more white than tan crystal MDMA- tests positive on Mecke, Marquis, and Simons for MDMA!
Off the Wagon - clearish gray with purple tint with play doh smell crystal MDMA - tests positive on Mecke, Marquis, and Simons for MDMA!
Polygamuz - clear with tan tint, anise smell crystal MDMA - tests positive on Mecke, Marquis, and Simons for MDMA!

The ILFs brown MDA powder - tests positive on Mecke, Marquis, and Simons for MDA!

BTW, all of these are domestic US vendors and the stealth, product quality, and the testing above as well as bio assays are all top notch!

blahblah1234
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: weed4me6969 on March 27, 2013, 01:45 am
Now i reaaaaaaaallly want to try some of that REAL MDMA...lol
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: MDUK on March 27, 2013, 02:09 am
FYI all, I got my fresh testers and I tested the following just today:

Aedonius (sorry if I misspelled) resale of OldAmsterdam's more white than tan crystal MDMA- tests positive on Mecke, Marquis, and Simons for MDMA!
Off the Wagon - clearish gray with purple tint with play doh smell crystal MDMA - tests positive on Mecke, Marquis, and Simons for MDMA!
Polygamuz - clear with tan tint, anise smell crystal MDMA - tests positive on Mecke, Marquis, and Simons for MDMA!

The ILFs brown MDA powder - tests positive on Mecke, Marquis, and Simons for MDA!

BTW, all of these are domestic US vendors and the stealth, product quality, and the testing above as well as bio assays are all top notch!

blahblah1234
To be fair, the reagent tests only really tell you that there is MDMA in there - as evidenced by the fact that the contents of my capsules go black with smoke and they're ~110-120mg MDMA, 110mg caffeine, 100mg MC cellulose.
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: blahblah1234 on March 27, 2013, 11:48 am
FYI all, I got my fresh testers and I tested the following just today:

Aedonius (sorry if I misspelled) resale of OldAmsterdam's more white than tan crystal MDMA- tests positive on Mecke, Marquis, and Simons for MDMA!
Off the Wagon - clearish gray with purple tint with play doh smell crystal MDMA - tests positive on Mecke, Marquis, and Simons for MDMA!
Polygamuz - clear with tan tint, anise smell crystal MDMA - tests positive on Mecke, Marquis, and Simons for MDMA!

The ILFs brown MDA powder - tests positive on Mecke, Marquis, and Simons for MDA!

BTW, all of these are domestic US vendors and the stealth, product quality, and the testing above as well as bio assays are all top notch!

blahblah1234
To be fair, the reagent tests only really tell you that there is MDMA in there - as evidenced by the fact that the contents of my capsules go black with smoke and they're ~110-120mg MDMA, 110mg caffeine, 100mg MC cellulose.

Yes of course.  I can't vouch for % purity on any of these but we did look for any hint of orange in the marquis testing to see if there were any meth/amphetamine/ritalin cuts.  We did not detect any though nobody but a lab can guarantee that.

blahblah1234
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: Aidoneus on April 05, 2013, 08:28 am
I've got a lovely bunch of coconuts... didily didily... there they are a standin' in a row... bum bum bum.
This thread is hilarious. Kids think that 500+ transactions, a (100) rating, and 99.9% positive feedback vendor is pawning off some bullshit product. Lawl. ::)
.Whish.
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: blahblah1234 on April 06, 2013, 12:46 am
I've got a lovely bunch of coconuts... didily didily... there they are a standin' in a row... bum bum bum.
This thread is hilarious. Kids think that 500+ transactions, a (100) rating, and 99.9% positive feedback vendor is pawning off some bullshit product. Lawl. ::)
.Whish.

Hello!  I got a chance to drop a 1.75 mg/kg MDMA to weight ratio a couple days ago on the Aidoneus OldAmsterdam Molly.  NICE ROLL.  I backed it up with some caffeine pills for some energy and it was a fantastic time!  Thanks Aidoneus!!!!  This is no BS that's for sure.

blahblah1234
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: Aidoneus on April 07, 2013, 07:46 am
We like, we like!!  8) ::)
.Whish.
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: HiXxY26 on April 07, 2013, 10:08 am
just finished reading this whole thread and was very pleased with the out come  :)
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: brainfreeze on April 07, 2013, 10:50 am
MDUK's got a forum presence thats for sure, dont know why he'd front. Interested to hear if it was just a faulty test strip, keep us posted. Who would you guys recommend for mdma
If your in the UK i have great MDMA its been tested and come back as good clean mdma with no residue
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/0319a1315a
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: sillybastard on April 07, 2013, 01:10 pm
ruby123 you should really change the title of the post.  I almost didn't keep reading after I read the vendor's names (although I'm not looking to buy MDMA right now), it's very misleading.  It took me about 6 pages to find out the truth.

This should be a reminder to users to contact the vendor with any problems first... there's plenty of time to burn them after if they ignore/lie to you.  But it's hard to take fix the time and sales lost because of misinformation.. just my opinion..
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: HeraclesKnows on April 07, 2013, 01:57 pm
Original post & title really need to be edited.
Same as poster above me - I wouldn't have read through the whole thread if I hadn't seen MDUK's name as one of the alleged 'scammers'; then for me it was a matter of finding which page of the thread OP would eventually find out that he was mistaken.

I've personally never ordered from MDUK or Aidoneus, but they are both very well reputed around here and I would have complete confidence in ordering with either of them - especially MDUK (nothin' personal, Aidoneus).
Also, since this is the Newbie forum I expect a lot of the people who would read this won't know much about specific vendor's reputations. Let's get this OP edited please.
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: motek on April 07, 2013, 01:57 pm
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ruby123 you should really change the title of the post.

YES  you should ... to  " I thought I was sold bunk MDMA BUT my test kit was outdated and gave wrong results"  :o

It's the least you could do ... and it has already been suggested a few times  ::)
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: malinche on April 07, 2013, 02:12 pm
sucks if you really got burned n the deal.
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: HeraclesKnows on April 07, 2013, 02:28 pm
Malinche: turns out the product was exactly as advertised, OP's test kit had gone bad.


New reagents arrived....both MDUK and Aidoneus's samples turned dark black with smoke right away.....I fucked up and I will admit it. My faith in humanity and the SR has been restored.
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: DnBDemon on April 07, 2013, 02:42 pm
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Title: I thought I was sold bunk MDMA BUT my test kit was outdated and gave wrong resul
Post by: sillybastard on April 07, 2013, 05:02 pm
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ruby123 you should really change the title of the post.

YES  you should ... to  " I thought I was sold bunk MDMA BUT my test kit was outdated and gave wrong results"  :o

It's the least you could do ... and it has already been suggested a few times  ::)

I'd +1 you if I could motek.  That title reflects the themes of this thread.  The fact that many people don't know about test kit expirations, and a mistake was made that could have been resolved before public accusations were made.

calibrate your scales
use a current test kit
double check results
contact your vendor
do whatever the hell you want after that..

Not trying to be offensive here, you admitted you were wrong which is gracious, but try to do your best to repair the damage you've done.  Many new buyers might read the your thread just up until they see MUKS and Aedonius names and quickly assume they're not worth looking into.
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA
Post by: Hargenflargen on April 07, 2013, 09:40 pm
I loved the civility on this board. And I'm also glad that the MDUK and Adoneius (both of which I looked at) ended up to be good vendors. Overall, glad I read the thread.
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA TLDR: Reagents had gone bad
Post by: ruby123 on April 09, 2013, 02:06 am
Damn I didn't realize that many people were still reading this thread.....Updated the main page...Remember kids: your MDMA testing reagents will expire within 3-6 months. Order way, both of the vendors' products are legit. FYI in the states we purchase the reagent in batches not the sealed EZ tests.Now that I cared to look up the actual contents of the reagents, I will be making my own as needed  ;)
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA ***TLDR: Reagents had gone bad
Post by: motek on April 09, 2013, 02:28 am
Thanx for doing that and changing the thread title ruby, nice  8)  one for the community  ;D  ... you can see your karma shows others do too  8)

At least many have learned about testing 'issues' via this thread  8)
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA ***TLDR: Reagents had gone bad
Post by: chemicalcat on April 09, 2013, 02:33 am
how old were your reagents?
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA ***TLDR: Reagents had gone bad
Post by: ruby123 on April 09, 2013, 03:22 am
how old were your reagents?

around 10 or 11 months old.
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA ***TLDR: Reagents had gone bad
Post by: preedfott on April 09, 2013, 04:11 am
can't wait to try legit molly on here, it will probably be better than the first time I ever rolled! I'm wanting to buy a live peyote cactus too, but doing so would be rather pointless other than to repopulate the species, or for the pure novelty of it, considering you can get highly pure mescaline here.
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA ***TLDR: Reagents expired
Post by: motek on April 09, 2013, 09:26 am
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but doing so would be rather pointless

 :o  whoa  bro!  The cacti I've known are VERY 'pointy'  NOT 'pointless!'  ;D

Seriously but, find some San Pedro cactus growing "somewhere" (botanical gardens)  and then all you need is about 12 inches (30cms) per person.....there are some very good preparation techniques on the clearnet ... there's even sites devoted to mexicans who take it for spiritual reasons (just like us! ;D)

and enjoy!
Title: Re: Was just sold fake MDMA ***TLDR: Reagents expired
Post by: p0och on June 20, 2013, 06:28 am
How many of you would test a molly that comes from a reputable seller like perhaps a frankmatthews or subtickle?