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Discussion => Drug safety => Topic started by: That 1 Dude on April 15, 2012, 06:45 pm

Title: Dutch Speed Paste?
Post by: That 1 Dude on April 15, 2012, 06:45 pm
What is this? How does it compare to crystal meth or anhydrous (biker speed)?

What the best way to use it? base it on foil? glass dick pipe? Can it be snorted? or is it wet like real "paste"?

Title: Re: Dutch Speed Paste?
Post by: pachang on April 15, 2012, 08:44 pm
In Europe, speed is generally supposed to mean amphetamine and not methamphetamine. Amphetamine salts are the active ingredient in Adderall in case you know these.
Illicit labs normally produce amphetamine sulfate which is sometimes sold as a paste. This paste will dry quickly once exposed to air, and is then snortable. You can also ingest it. It can NOT be smoked.

Some people (and the wikipedia article) are claiming the paste is still containing some amphetamine freebase and is not dry for this reason. However amph freebase is an orange liquid (see http://oi43.tinypic.com/15mh5hg.jpg ) I think it's more likely that it's just a solvent left over from synthesis. After all if you leave some liquid in the product it weighs more...
 
Title: Re: Dutch Speed Paste?
Post by: That 1 Dude on April 17, 2012, 01:54 am
Okay, so its effective if free based?

Also, is the threshold the same as adderall? Could I add the dried poweder to my mdma gel caps for a bit of an uppy roll? 100mg of both?
Title: Re: Dutch Speed Paste?
Post by: pachang on April 17, 2012, 09:00 am
as I wrote:
it can NOT be smoked.
You can not put in on foil or pull baking powder shenanigans. The sulfate will burn and have no effect (besides a sore throat).

How many mg you need depends of course on the quality of the product.
100mg of pure amphetamine however would be an overdose for most people, so i'd try to start with less.
Note that combining it with MDMA will most likely intensify the side-effects (teeth clenching, sweating etc)
Title: Re: Dutch Speed Paste?
Post by: JimPooley on April 17, 2012, 12:05 pm
How many mg you need depends of course on the quality of the product.
100mg of pure amphetamine however would be an overdose for most people, so i'd try to start with less.
Note that combining it with MDMA will most likely intensify the side-effects (teeth clenching, sweating etc)

What this guy ^ said...

Very good advice, in the community spirit! Deserving of Karma if ever someone was!
Title: Re: Dutch Speed Paste?
Post by: That 1 Dude on April 17, 2012, 03:12 pm
Thanks guys this has been a big help! I was expecting it to only be effective in larger doses due to the very low price. If it is 1 gram wet, how much can I expect the weight to reduce after drying?
Title: Re: Dutch Speed Paste?
Post by: pachang on April 17, 2012, 04:13 pm
I ordered 5 gram
after drying I had about 3.5 g

it was a bit messy so I may have lost some powder in the process.
Title: Re: Dutch Speed Paste?
Post by: That 1 Dude on April 18, 2012, 04:31 am
how was the drying process messy? Id like to avoid any loss, i was thinking of using a warm glass plate to spread it..

I have been crunching the numbers and.. it appears I will be getting paste around 45%. So what would be a could gel cap ratio for a solid speed boost. would 50mg gelcaps of amphetamine suphate be worth 10$ a piece? 5$ a piece?

Or would 80mg of pure mdma be more noticalbe/enjoyable with 20mg of amphetamine sulphate powdered?

I understand if these substnace are often too diff for good feedback. I just dont want to spend a long time working my tests up to perfect dose, if i can get a good starting point.

thanks again, I love i can ask with no haha for me seeking info
Title: Re: Dutch Speed Paste?
Post by: davebowman on April 18, 2012, 12:50 pm
I ordered a gram to check the 'dutch paste scene' out. Let it dry partially and parachuted it with a friend, we each had half. I found the detrimental after affects to disproportionally correspond to the speediness, and decided I prefer meth in my speed. It was fun but not fun enough for me to order lots more.
Title: Re: Dutch Speed Paste?
Post by: davebowman on April 18, 2012, 03:11 pm
I ordered a gram to check the 'dutch paste scene' out. Let it dry partially and parachuted it with a friend, we each had half. I found the detrimental after affects to disproportionally correspond to the speediness, and decided I prefer meth in my speed. It was fun but not fun enough for me to order lots more.

In my experience many (dutch) speed vendors here are selling really low quality or crap speed so may I ask which speed paste you've tried? Very uncool I know but reliability is just a huge issue on Silk Road.

At this moment the most potent and best amphetamine/speed paste I've bought here is from a German vendor Der Speed Doktor. The price is about 16 btc for 5 grams and that is very reasonably priced for the quality you get and it's is even free shipping also to the U.S. Everyone who has used the speed paste of Der Doktor is very positive about the effect and potency you can also read that in the speed/amphetamine topic.

I ordered from Amsterdope. He shipped promptly through escrow and delivered pretty much as promised, and with good packaging, so I've no complaints about him as a vendor. I just didn't enjoy the product as much as I hoped to.
Title: Re: Dutch Speed Paste?
Post by: pachang on April 18, 2012, 07:37 pm
@That 1 Dude:
it was messy because the innermost plastic bag had burst. So a lot of stuff was smeared all around the wrapping. I probably have not lost much anyway. Just wanted to tell you why I can't give you the exact weight.
You don't need to warm the glass plate. I used one at room temp and It dried in minutes.

> it appears I will be getting paste around 45%
You cannot know and you will never know the percentage of amphetamine in your paste unless you have access to a chromatograph. Dealers just pull numbers out of their ass that sound not bad but not too good to be unbelievable. Or they quote numbers as told to them by their supplier, those numbers have most likely been generated by the same  ass-pulling technique. Even if there's a reliable test for one's dealer's product he might have switched suppliers in the meantime.
If you actually get pure amphetamine salts (e.g. adderall) the dosage you suggested sounds reasonable.

I'd suggest just taking the MDMA first and snorting small lines or bumps of speed once the MDMA starts going until you are happy with the effects.
Just remember the speed needs some minutes to get to your brain so wait a bit after dosing each time.

@davebowman
half a gram each at once? seriously? of a drug of unknown potency and content you ordered off the internet? this is..... brave.

Title: Re: Dutch Speed Paste?
Post by: Jimmy245 on April 18, 2012, 07:59 pm
All of the tests of European speed that I have seen on this forum show that speed paste is frequently cut with caffeine, in some cases lots of it.
Title: Re: Dutch Speed Paste?
Post by: ihatecoldplay on April 18, 2012, 08:50 pm
got some dutch paste from new vendor here
it is completely white, it turns into small flakes almost powder after drying
what is smell suppose to be? doest it depend completely on the way of manufacturing?
mine smells.. well, like chemical  :)  i cant describe
snorting feels quite pleasant
Title: Re: Dutch Speed Paste?
Post by: That 1 Dude on April 18, 2012, 08:57 pm
thanks pachang! you have been tons of help
Title: Re: Dutch Speed Paste?
Post by: pachang on April 19, 2012, 07:30 am
Quote from: bonovic
Just curious pachang, did you order it from jopium by any chance and if so what is your opinion on the general effect and quality of the speed?
This result was with the speed doctor's paste.
Up to now I have only used it in small dosages (like two bumps) to test it out and liked it a lot.

Quote from: That 1 Dude
thanks pachang! you have been tons of help
You're welcome. Have a nice roll :)

Title: Re: Dutch Speed Paste?
Post by: That 1 Dude on April 20, 2012, 06:33 am
I am waiting on and order from amsterdope and will update when i receive,

I can not find der doktor listings..
Title: Re: Dutch Speed Paste?
Post by: randomOVDB#2 on April 20, 2012, 01:46 pm
I ordered 5 gram
after drying I had about 3.5 g

it was a bit messy so I may have lost some powder in the process.

You've been scammed for a 1-1.5grams. Sorry.
Title: Re: Dutch Speed Paste?
Post by: pachang on April 22, 2012, 05:22 pm
I ordered 5 gram
after drying I had about 3.5 g

it was a bit messy so I may have lost some powder in the process.

You've been scammed for a 1-1.5grams. Sorry.
if you order speed paste it is completely obvious that it will be cut heavily.
One gram of medical grade amphetamine phosphate goes for around 20 BC. The paste costs around 2BC per gram.
Expecting more than 20% amphetamine content is just wishful thinking.

I actually prefer it being "cut" with a liquid, I can just evaporate it and don't have to clog my nose with caffeine or sugar.
Title: Re: Dutch Speed Paste?
Post by: imprint on April 22, 2012, 07:06 pm
i don't cut the "amphetamine sulphate" i'm selling on sr + i get it uncut!
you get, what u see: - - - http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=5998502c599a9c657eb6b7e844d0d3d3.jpg - - -