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Title: the most powerfull psychedelic?
Post by: turokko on April 04, 2012, 02:25 pm
whats the most powerfull psychedelic?
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Post by: Trystlb72456 on April 04, 2012, 02:48 pm
It depends on what youre looking for... if you want an jaw dropping experience try some nn dmt.
Title: Re: the most powerfull psychedelic?
Post by: Gigles on April 04, 2012, 03:04 pm
LSD is technically the most powerful since an amount smaller than a fine grain of sand will have you tripping balls.

But DMT for me is the most powerful in terms of what it can do.. Very intense and amazing.
Title: Re: the most powerfull psychedelic?
Post by: vault13dw on April 04, 2012, 07:48 pm
DMT definitely for the sheer effect. It will take a larger quantity than LSD but nothing compares to that level of awe and wonder (or terror if you're unprepared).
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Post by: moonflower on April 04, 2012, 07:51 pm
smoked dmt is basically the most powerful psychedelic known to man.
Title: Re: the most powerfull psychedelic?
Post by: Gary Oak on April 05, 2012, 06:25 am
Yep, N,N-Dimethyltryptamine is the cat's pajamas I've heard. ::)
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Post by: tordemon on April 05, 2012, 07:02 am
LSD is technically the most powerful since an amount smaller than a fine grain of sand will have you tripping balls.

But DMT for me is the most powerful in terms of what it can do.. Very intense and amazing.
Technically LSD's analogues such as ETH-LAD and PRO-LAD have been shown to require even smaller dosages, but power is something difficult to measure in this case...
Title: Re: the most powerfull psychedelic?
Post by: workforit69 on April 06, 2012, 01:42 am
if you've tried all the psychedelics out there try buying some speed/meth and staying up for 4-5 days - it's by far the most intense trip i've ever been on and i've done most of the psychedelics around.
Title: Re: the most powerfull psychedelic?
Post by: LucyDiamond on April 06, 2012, 03:14 am
Ayahuasca is a mixture traditionally created by shamans of the Amazon. It induces “true hallucinations”
The brew is made from:
Bark of caapi vine (Banisteriopsis caapi)wich - contains DMT
and leaves of “Psychotria viridis”- contains MAOI

DMT is not usually orally active.
But is with the presence of MAOI

The "I" in MAOI means "inhibitor"
the MAO inhibitor is what allows the DMT to become orally active

Ayahuasca can technically be made from any combination of DMT and MAOI

Keep an eye out for ayahuasca mixtures, seeds, ground bark or leaves here on the dark-web
I have seen ingrediants sold through the silk road

But the ingredients can easily be found on the clear-web through various ethnobotanical sites

Ayahuasca experiences are often described as frightening/confusing.
Not for the amateur tripper

I personally think DiMiTriSpice's Pharmahuasca pills look more appealing. They're basically ayahuasca in pill form.
Title: Re: the most powerfull psychedelic?
Post by: Junglist on April 06, 2012, 04:12 pm
DMT

It is the most intense, Mind expanding, parallel universe revealing and naturally occuring Psychedelic known to man;
(30-50+mg doseages).

Ayahuasca is a mixture traditionally created by shamans of the Amazon. It induces “true hallucinations”
The brew is made from:
Bark of caapi vine (Banisteriopsis caapi)wich - contains DMT
and leaves of “Psychotria viridis”- contains MAOI

DMT is not usually orally active.
But is with the presence of MAOI


Dude, you got this the wrong way round;

The "caapi vine" contains the MAOI
and the “Psychotria viridis” leaves contain the DMT...

P.S.  if you are looking to extract your own DMT then Mimosa Hostilis root bark is what you're after...  ;)
Title: Re: the most powerfull psychedelic?
Post by: toejammer on April 06, 2012, 05:14 pm
do some research on Terence McKenna.. DMT.. hands down.... a MEGA-ton halusinogen
Title: Re: the most powerfull psychedelic?
Post by: Indev on April 06, 2012, 05:30 pm
Salvia is incredibly intense. Yet it only lasts for 5 minutes. It's a lot of fun and incredibly interesting.
Title: Re: the most powerfull psychedelic?
Post by: Limetless on April 07, 2012, 07:21 am
I'd be too afraid to do DMT. What is it even like? From what people have said I think it would be too much for me.
Title: Re: the most powerfull psychedelic?
Post by: Junglist on April 07, 2012, 08:46 am
I'd be too afraid to do DMT. What is it even like? From what people have said I think it would be too much for me.

I wouldn't be afraid, start with a lower dose to get some nice patterns OEVs & CEVs, and even at higher doseages vaped (as stated 30-50mg) without an MAOI your body starts to metabolize it straight away, the potential "intenseness" of the experience only lasts for about 5-10mins and it is a game changer in regards to how you interperet the world around you. Like a veil has been lifted from your eyes and a massive secret revealed to you. Incredibly insightfull and beautiful, short-acting psychedelic.

My personal favourite.

:)
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Post by: joywind on April 07, 2012, 08:58 am

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I personally think DiMiTriSpice's Pharmahuasca pills look more appealing. They're basically ayahuasca in pill form.
How does that compare with smoking DMT?
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Post by: Limetless on April 07, 2012, 09:14 am
Fuck it, I've got a gram of crystal shards I was given about a year ago for free and I'm visiting a friend in London today tomorrow. Might just have to take a trip into the unknown. How long does it last for maximum?
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Post by: Junglist on April 07, 2012, 12:14 pm

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I personally think DiMiTriSpice's Pharmahuasca pills look more appealing. They're basically ayahuasca in pill form.
How does that compare with smoking DMT?

-Highly dependant on the dosage of course, but Vapourised DMT is generally a shorter, more powerful experience, whereas Ayahuasca or Pharmahuasca is a longer trip, but less overwhealming - (All relative though, this statement depends on the amount of DMT in your Ayahuasca or Pharmahuasca, high dosages with an MAOI can be extremely intense for a long time)!
Title: Re: the most powerfull psychedelic?
Post by: Junglist on April 07, 2012, 12:29 pm
Fuck it, I've got a gram of crystal shards I was given about a year ago for free and I'm visiting a friend in London today tomorrow. Might just have to take a trip into the unknown. How long does it last for maximum?

Maximum? relative to doseage, and method.

Vaped DMT, at breakthrough doseages can be intense for around 5 mins, gently fading with most of the OEVs disappearing after 10 - 20 mins, and then you are just left with a lovely euphoria for up to an hour or more after, but you wont be tripping anymore.

Careful with the amount of heat you apply to DMT, most of it will be destroyed by naked flame/too high temperature.
Do your research and enjoy.



Title: Re: the most powerfull psychedelic?
Post by: DropGuy751 on April 07, 2012, 12:32 pm
I would not recommend DMT I think LSD is by far the best, and even the safest psychedelic, imo it's safer than Ecstasy or Ketamine, it's all aloud of crap what they say about the guy who peeled himself thinking he was an orange, and people thinking they can fly, it may take you out of your mind but you will still know what your doing...
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Post by: Caparino on April 07, 2012, 12:41 pm
I would not recommend DMT I think LSD is by far the best, and even the safest psychedelic, imo it's safer than Ecstasy or Ketamine, it's all aloud of crap what they say about the guy who peeled himself thinking he was an orange, and people thinking they can fly, it may take you out of your mind but you will still know what your doing...

The doctor who jumped out the window because an army did an experiment somehow turned into a boy thinking he could fly -__- fucking propaganda. LSD is the best substance you will ever cross paths with hands-down. DMT just put's you into an awake dream state; and it's effects aren't that long-lasting. You hardly remember the trip the next day until you document it.
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Post by: jmoney113 on April 07, 2012, 05:52 pm
Fuck it, I've got a gram of crystal shards I was given about a year ago for free and I'm visiting a friend in London today tomorrow. Might just have to take a trip into the unknown. How long does it last for maximum?

All depends on the dosage. If you have an efficient way of vaporizing the DMT, then you need about 20-40mg for a breakthrough dose. Smoking, I would say double that, for a threshold breakthrough dose.

Just so you know, you will most likely not breakthrough your first, second, and possibly even third or more times doing DMT, especially if you're smoking it. It will take you a few attempts before you even begin to get your technique down.

Also, even if you're experienced with strong doses of mushrooms, LSD, and various other psychedelic substances, nothing can prepare you for a true breakthrough dose. To say you have massive OEVs/CEVs is a complete understatement. Each and every time I've attempted to breakthrough, even unsuccessfully, the visuals were actually very minimal. What was overwhelming, was the extreme awareness I had of otherworldly entities watching and studying me. When you finally breakthrough, you're able to fully meet these re-materializing, all knowing entities, which a completely mind blowing, reality dissolving, unbelievably surreal experience in itself. Language is a barrier when attempting to describe the experience in words. But when you breakthrough, you will know.
Title: Re: the most powerfull psychedelic?
Post by: Junglist on April 08, 2012, 11:25 am
^Jmoney = Right on the money!!  ;)
Title: Re: the most powerfull psychedelic?
Post by: Pasithea on April 09, 2012, 04:12 am
5-MeO-DMT from the toad's glands is by far the most amazing DMT out there.

Although very different, huge bong hits of Salvia in top strength extract will produce extreme hallucinations as well.

25i-Nbome is an excellent alternative to the expensive and elusive LSD, very similar affects with feeling of euphoria like MDA and it does not last as long as acid so you can go back to your normal day after lol.

As for mushrooms, the best visual hallucinations will come from azurescens.

The mushroom cyanescens is also very strong, otherwise the species related to semilanceata are all very visual!
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Post by: SevenSuns on April 10, 2012, 01:04 am
I am looking into pharmahuasca right now. He doesn't say how much DMT is in it but says its enough to break through. Anybody ever have to take 2 to get there? It will also be my first DMT experience so of course I will start with one. I have been looking forward too and researching DMT for a couple years now but it doesnt just fall into my lap like other things. Never heard of DMT randomly showing up at a house party, ya know? Maybe I just go to the wrong parties though.
Title: Re: the most powerfull psychedelic?
Post by: microRNA on April 10, 2012, 08:41 am
DMT is a natural substance... it comes from a plant. why would you be looking for it at a party? if you were looking in the right place you would have no trouble finding the source.

it is not a drug to do at a party so it has no place showing up at one.

it is a drug that deserves to be respected and understood

do not underestimate the experience

i dont know if i would start with a full oral dmt experience. imo you should just try smoking a bit to dip your toe in the water
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Post by: arutha on April 10, 2012, 11:59 am
I'd be too afraid to do DMT. What is it even like? From what people have said I think it would be too much for me.

If you are afraid of it, don't do it. It must be something you are mentally prepared for and ready for otherwise it can turn quite scary.

If you are interested but scared, start with a low dose of about 10-20mg to see how you feel. You should experience something similar to an acid trip; colours going more intense, patterns moving and changing shapes, mild hallucinations in your vision.. Sit still, don't try to walk, and it will be done in 10 minutes or so.
If you got most of the hit, you may also get a bit sweaty and feel slightly faint. Not overly pleasant. You also need to get used to the taste of the smoke since it is very very harsh.

You can also sprinkle a small dose on some sativa weed for a fun high. Both of those will help get your mind used to the idea of a full DMT trip.

Anyone else ever tried smoking DMT while at the peak of an acid trip?
Title: Re: the most powerfull psychedelic?
Post by: SevenSuns on April 10, 2012, 11:37 pm
DMT is a natural substance... it comes from a plant. why would you be looking for it at a party? if you were looking in the right place you would have no trouble finding the source.

it is not a drug to do at a party so it has no place showing up at one.

it is a drug that deserves to be respected and understood

do not underestimate the experience

i dont know if i would start with a full oral dmt experience. imo you should just try smoking a bit to dip your toe in the water

You seem to be a bit hostile, although intention is hard to read on the internet. I wasn't implying  DMT was a party drug, I meant simply acid, mushrooms, and other psys show up at parties. Where as DMT has to be sought out. I dont like the idea of smoking DMT because of the horrible taste, I dont like to start my trips with a chemical feeling. It ruins the natural feeling of the whole experience, thats why I only ever tried acid once. It was too... fake feeling if that makes sense.

I appreciate the advice but they didn't start with smoking DMT in the amazon, they started with a full brew. I want to get as close to that as possible while hopefully avoiding a bad taste and nausea.
Title: Re: the most powerfull psychedelic?
Post by: Gary Oak on April 12, 2012, 06:26 am
I'd be too afraid to do DMT. What is it even like? From what people have said I think it would be too much for me.

If you are afraid of it, don't do it. It must be something you are mentally prepared for and ready for otherwise it can turn quite scary.

If you are interested but scared, start with a low dose of about 10-20mg to see how you feel. You should experience something similar to an acid trip; colours going more intense, patterns moving and changing shapes, mild hallucinations in your vision.. Sit still, don't try to walk, and it will be done in 10 minutes or so.
If you got most of the hit, you may also get a bit sweaty and feel slightly faint. Not overly pleasant. You also need to get used to the taste of the smoke since it is very very harsh.

You can also sprinkle a small dose on some sativa weed for a fun high. Both of those will help get your mind used to the idea of a full DMT trip.

Anyone else ever tried smoking DMT while at the peak of an acid trip?

I can't think of a better time to try than bicycle day coming up. I've got two tabs saved for that day and just got a gram of DMT from Moon Unit this morning. The only trouble is I get too distracted to keep up with my trip reports that they never get finished. I'll try my best though.  :P
Title: Re: the most powerfull psychedelic?
Post by: Hata Proof on April 12, 2012, 09:49 am
I have done many different kindsof phsy drugs and I get the most intenst trip off of shrooms.

alot of great reviews about dmt I am going to have to get some.
Title: Re: the most powerfull psychedelic?
Post by: qualiyplant on April 12, 2012, 12:14 pm
IME

Psychadelics can be divided between man-made and natural

so man made would include: LSD, all the '2C' family, ketamine

natural: shrooms, LSA, DMT, Mescal etc.

IMO you are less likely to freak out on natural substances because they contain certain alkaloids that facilitate a good trip. However, if you DO have a bad one it is worse on the naturals then the man made.

Naturals mix badly with man made drugs - you see, LSD and MDMA is a classic combo but MDMA and shrooms is not great.

As to what is stronger its the wrong question. It's like you taking 5 of your best friends and asking the question: who has the 'most' personality. It doesn't make sense. Same with psychadelics they are each unique and incomparable in their own way. If you want to trip balls just take more - combine them if you want.

To be safe, its best to try them all in small amount and see which one works best for you.