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Discussion => Security => Topic started by: RIPDonnasummer on May 30, 2012, 03:14 am

Title: Is marking "Return to Sender" a legit way to have plausible deniability
Post by: RIPDonnasummer on May 30, 2012, 03:14 am
I am in the USA and writing return to sender and putting by door almost seems to easy. I would still think the police would still try hard to pin it on you and I think would have a decent shot in court.

I have thought about going to the mail in the morning and if what I need is in there just put it back in the mailbox until that evening. That way if they did bust down your door you could legitimately say you left something in the mailbox that could be your package?

Does anyone have any LEGIT knowledge on this ?

would be great if we had a USPS person in here to discuss
Title: Re: Is marking "Return to Sender" a legit way to have plausible deniability
Post by: flipside on May 30, 2012, 04:11 am
It would most likely be more convincing to a judge/jury that you wrote 'Return to Sender' if it wasn't sent under your real name.
Title: Re: Is marking "Return to Sender" a legit way to have plausible deniability
Post by: Duckman on May 30, 2012, 11:55 am
It would most likely be more convincing to a judge/jury that you wrote 'Return to Sender' if it wasn't sent under your real name.

True.

You are also more likely to face delivery problems or investigations if you put a fake name on the package.
Title: Re: Is marking "Return to Sender" a legit way to have plausible deniability
Post by: flipside on May 30, 2012, 03:11 pm
In our many years of experience we have never encountered any mail delivery problems or investigations if using a fake name sent to your home address (if sent domestically). Specifically if using Priority Mail.

Although delivery problems can arise if using a name not registered to a PO Box (which should preferably be opened with a fake, photoshoped ID, 'if' you must), and only 'investigations' if attempting to import orders from another country.

In our experience. ;)

Peace
Title: Re: Is marking "Return to Sender" a legit way to have plausible deniability
Post by: kmfkewm on May 30, 2012, 03:54 pm
I haven't even heard of problems importing from overseas to fake names as long as a PO or PMB isn't being used and the importer doesn't live in a town with 100 people and a mailman who knows every single person on his route

disclaimer: I wouldn't suggest importing from overseas unless you have a fake ID PO or PMB. Domestic it is much less risky I very very very rarely hear of any problems at all with domestic shipments, unless they are for kilos of coke.
Title: Re: Is marking "Return to Sender" a legit way to have plausible deniability
Post by: Duckman on May 30, 2012, 06:16 pm
In our many years of experience we have never encountered any mail delivery problems or investigations if using a fake name sent to your home address (if sent domestically). Specifically if using Priority Mail.


I read a thread on this forum only today where someone had been caught out as a result of using a fake name on the parcel.

Basically what happens is the postman decides that the address is wrong as noone by that name lives at that address. So the package is returned to the sorting office and an investigation begins.

I would say that 1-2 people per month are reporting this happening on this forum.
Title: Re: Is marking "Return to Sender" a legit way to have plausible deniability
Post by: flipside on May 30, 2012, 07:44 pm
Perhaps links to 1-2 links a month then?

Peace.
Title: Re: Is marking "Return to Sender" a legit way to have plausible deniability
Post by: Duckman on May 30, 2012, 08:59 pm
Perhaps links to 1-2 links a month then?

Peace.

Sorry but I just tried searching and TOR is way too slow for that!

Normally I would just look through todays browser history, but tor being tor there is no search history.

So I tried using the search function on the site.  It timed out 3 times and a lot of people use topic titles that have no relevance to the content so although I read such a post today, I may well be looking for a post titled "The dogs fly south for the Autumn" or something equally daft.

I can assure you the threads are there and being as I read one today there cant be more than 200 threads to go through but the speed at which tor works on my computer means that  I have no desire to sit down and go through them all.
Title: Re: Is marking "Return to Sender" a legit way to have plausible deniability
Post by: flipside on May 30, 2012, 09:07 pm
I haven't even heard of problems importing from overseas to fake names as long as a PO or PMB isn't being used...

This obviously depends on the amount being 'imported'. If your ordering a small amount/envelope from overseas (like the majority of those may be doing on this forum) your probably good to go, although you may indeed receive a nice love letter from the kids at customs at times. Or a knock or 20 on your door, depending on the amount. I guess when I think importing kmf, I think 'IMPORTING'!. ;)

@ Duckman: Domestically, mail (Priority in particular) ALWAYS get's delivered. Do you realize how many pieces of mail pass thru the USPS system every day? Do you realize how many people have mail delivered to a friends/family members house ALL the time? Or the shear number of people that move everyday? It's NOT an automatic red flag for a return to the Postal Inspectors for an "investigation".

Receiving grandma's mail while you are helping her move is not 'reasonable suspicion', let alone 'probable cause'. It takes a federal warrant to open USPS mail. And that's assuming your postman is a super computer (with an accompanying super-duper-memory) who chooses to NOT do their job, and instead decides to return hundreds of letters a day to their boss for 'investigation''. 

Now times that by a gazzillion mailmen/women everyday in any given city/state. All that mail under investigation must now be piling up somewhere with the massive recent budget cuts at USPS. I guess grandma's accross the nation won't be getting their mail delivered today then, and are now under 'investigation'?

When someone PAYS $5+ for Priority Mail, it get's delivered. Period.

First-class just get's delivered 'regardless'.

It's the address not the name that determines if a letter gets delivered. Raise your hand if you still get mail from the previous resident at your home address? Or all those poor "current resident's" as well.

They are now ALL under investigation. So watch your back and be really careful if you have EVER moved! If a piece of mail accidentely got delivered to your previous address, guess what? Wrong name. You are also now also under investigation.

I guess the entire nation is now under investigation. (But what else is new?)  ;)

It's most likely other factors that contributed to any of the 'investigations' you may be pondering my friend. Not the simple use of a fake (or your friends, or grandma's name) on the letter. It's "rain or shine" my friend. Domestic USPS mail makes it thru.

Now a 20 pound overly taped box, reeking of weed and leaking LSD addressed to a fake name might be reason for a second look. It's normally "other" factors that contribute to investigations (or even 'considerations'), not the simple fact of using a fake (or misspelled) name alone. Roommates move in and out ALL the time as well.

If this were true, MILLIONS of pieces of mail would never even leave the closest processing center without being an accompanied by a Postal Inspector.

My ex's father delivered mail for USPS for 20+ years, btw. ;)

Peace
Title: Re: Is marking "Return to Sender" a legit way to have plausible deniability
Post by: Duckman on May 30, 2012, 09:18 pm

@ Duckman: Domestically, mail (Priority in particular) ALWAYS get's delivered. Do you realize how many pieces of mail pass thru the USPS system every day? Do you realize how many people have mail delivered to a friends/family members house ALL the time? Or the shear number of people that move everyday? It's NOT an automatic red flag for a return to the Postal Inspectors for an "investigation".


In the threads that I have read, the postman decides not to deliver it on his own.  Its not standard procedure, in fact there is no reason for him to not deliver it or to think of the package as suspicions. Never-the-less the postman for some unknown reason decides that today he will not be delivering a package because he dosent reconise  the name.

There is no red flag and the postal inspector is probably just as confused as to the postman's reasons as everyone else.

All that said, it still happens.
Title: Re: Is marking "Return to Sender" a legit way to have plausible deniability
Post by: flipside on May 30, 2012, 09:33 pm
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In the threads that I have read...

I rest my case. And Al Gore invented the internetz.

It's a 'given',  but do NOT believe everything you read online, ESPECIALLY "here". How many post's do you think LE post daily here to deter us from doing 'this or that'?

Since they can't beat us. They join us. And offer up 'reliable' info to our community. ALL the time. Psy-ops and beyond. Yo.

Just sayin'... ;)

Peace
Title: Re: Is marking "Return to Sender" a legit way to have plausible deniability
Post by: Duckman on May 30, 2012, 09:37 pm
Next time I see a thread like that Ill tell them it didnt happen, call them scum and report them to the moderators as LE insurgents.

I cant believe I was so naive.

Thank you for showing me the light.
Title: Re: Is marking "Return to Sender" a legit way to have plausible deniability
Post by: flipside on May 30, 2012, 09:55 pm
And thank you for being so patronizing and condescending for no apparent reason.

Peace
Title: Re: Is marking "Return to Sender" a legit way to have plausible deniability
Post by: jameslink2 on May 30, 2012, 10:18 pm
@ Duckman: Domestically, mail (Priority in particular) ALWAYS get's delivered. Do you realize how many pieces of mail pass thru the USPS system every day? Do you realize how many people have mail delivered to a friends/family members house ALL the time? Or the shear number of people that move everyday? It's NOT an automatic red flag for a return to the Postal Inspectors for an "investigation".

I agree with flipside, I have had all kinds of things delivered to my address.

If you are worried about it, go online and sign up for all the free catalogs and mag's you can find under the name you want to have it sent to. It all arrives with out any issue.

Think of all the fun you can have with a simple "Change of address" form.  :o
Title: Re: Is marking "Return to Sender" a legit way to have plausible deniability
Post by: flipside on May 30, 2012, 10:26 pm
If you are worried about it, go online and sign up for all the free catalogs and mag's you can find under the name you want to have it sent to. It all arrives with out any issue.

Which is 'exactly' what you should be doing if using a PO Box. To lower suspicion, even if just slightly.

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Think of all the fun you can have with a simple "Change of address" form.  :o

That's a new one I'll have to ponder. Thanks! ;)

Peace
Title: Re: Is marking "Return to Sender" a legit way to have plausible deniability
Post by: flipside on May 31, 2012, 12:33 am
...it's not standard procedure, in fact there is no reason for him to not deliver it or to think of the package as suspicions. Never-the-less the postman for some unknown (sic) reason decides that today he will not be delivering a package.....

Sorry but I just tried searching and TOR is way too slow for that....

...1-2 people per month are reporting this happening on this forum.

No offense intended my friend if I am wrong. But ALL offense intended if I'm right:

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Peace ;)


[Edit: And suddenly another -1? All the more reason I'm starting to think it's LE feeding us our negative feedback. Just sayin'... ;) ]

No denying I am/could 'VERY' well be COMPLETELY wrong, so not attempting to state a fact WHATSOEVER!  Just an 'ongoing' hunch is all...

Again. Color me Permanoid.

Please....?  ;)

Peace