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Discussion => Drug safety => Topic started by: badxxx on October 23, 2012, 09:32 am
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Hi,
a friend of mine said, with pills everybody sees that he is on XTC pills. On crystal MDMA nobody sees it. And that's exactly what he feels like. Pills are much stronger for him. (He rolls quite often and had many different pills and crystals!)
I have never used pills so far, because I'm afraid of substances i do not want to use. But i feel the same effects like him on crystal mdma. Quite smooth and not very heavy.
Is my friend's opinion correct, that pills are stronger than mdma crystals? Is there any evidence?
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Concerning pills with MDMA as the only psychoactive as to not complicate things:
- crystal gets absorbed quicker thus higher highs but quicker comedown, while pills get absorbed more evenly resulting in a longer experience with fewer ultra high peaks
- pills that report 200mg MDMA do have 200mg MDMA, while 200mg crystal (assuming 84% purity) has only 168mg MDMA.HCl
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I agree with your mate
A 200mg pill (decibel) absolutely floors me whereas 200mg of crystal is at least minimum dose
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You guys need to consider all the other stuff that gets cut into pills (amphetamine, mephedrone, methamphetamine, ephedrine, caffeine for the safer ones, and dangerous ones like paracetamol, ibuprofen, talcum powder...). So keep in mind that MDMA crystals have a certain purity to them, but a pill has alot more room in the pill for other cutting agents.
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Depending on the purity and strength of a pill or powder, the effects should be somewhat close.
I'm a fan of pills because they can only be cut once when a batch is created and pressed. A pill's stamp can sometimes be an indicator of quality, unless it is a counterfeit of course. But, they have a long history of being unreliable.
Between pills and powder there is always a chance that you don't know what you are getting, obviously. A quick look at ecstasydata will prove this.
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You can trust the pills you get from SR...they're all pure MDMA unless stated otherwise...
before I found SR i was getting pills that were nothing but meth-bombs, methylone, and piperazines from strangers...luckily i test every pill i buy with a marquis reagent before taking it....
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Okay i tested pills by myself. I tried the new Nintendo with 200mg. They are strong and the trip was good, but not 200mg MDMA!
I had all the effects you get when mdma is strong: Could not focus, had to sit down for a while
But when i take 200mg clean and hard mdma i think i die. So, i by myself can not say pills are stronger and mdma :(
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I think most people would agree there is a FAR greater chance of taking an "ecstasy" pill that's got at least one other drug added to it if not several. I remember the first time I ever did ecstasy, swallowed a little orange 007 pill and had a crazy experience that was VERY different from my first experience with pure crystal MDMA.
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In my days of experimentation, I was able to try very clean pills and also very clean MDMA powder. What I've decided is that with MDMA powder you can find the "magic dose" that will get you on the perfect level you want to be on (mine was around 125 mg I believe at the time, 1 mg/lb), but I took pills that felt just as good as pure MDMA powder.
So in other words, I think pills can potentially hit you harder since it's a bit of a mystery game (if they're clean pills) of how much MDMA is in your pill, but if you know you have pure MDMA powder and a scale you have the guarantee of finding the right dose to roll smooth for the night. I liked having a scale and powder because I liked feeling like a gangsta on that level I knew was perfect just for me. Plus, you can add in any other goodies to the cap if you so choose ;)
Don't dis pills though, cuz some of the best rolls I've had were on rolls. Not to say that they felt any better than powder, just sayin that they were so clean I had a great time and didn't come down feeling nasty from any other drugs in the pills.
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I think Bluelight is a really good place to look if you're looking for basic MDMA discussion and information. I've learned a lot in my years there.
But to answer your original question, MDMA is MDMA is MDMA no matter if it's in pill, capsule, powder, or dissolved in liquid. If you have 100mg of just MDMA in a capsule versus 100mg pressed into a tab with fillers and binders, it's going to be exactly the same thing. There are no differences in effects, despite what many people have formulated their opinions on. The difference in effects between presses and powders only comes from the quality of the source.
If your friend feels like he rolls better on pills than on powder/crystal, his dealer might just have a better connection to a good pill supply than the other stuff.
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all my friends are the same.
theyd all rather take shit pills than mdma.... and youd think when you buy a pill, the main ingredient you want in it.. is mdma..
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I think Bluelight is a really good place to look if you're looking for basic MDMA discussion and information. I've learned a lot in my years there.
But to answer your original question, MDMA is MDMA is MDMA no matter if it's in pill, capsule, powder, or dissolved in liquid. If you have 100mg of just MDMA in a capsule versus 100mg pressed into a tab with fillers and binders, it's going to be exactly the same thing. There are no differences in effects, despite what many people have formulated their opinions on. The difference in effects between presses and powders only comes from the quality of the source.
If your friend feels like he rolls better on pills than on powder/crystal, his dealer might just have a better connection to a good pill supply than the other stuff.
+1 for Bluelight, there's a really good community with lots of good information over there, highly recommended. As for pills versus powder, based on my experiences with pills and the vast spectrum of different effects/substances i have myself tested them for I will always say go with a pure powder source if you can.
I have known a dealer who specifically had two types of pills, ones cut with Meth, the others just pure MDMA cut with binder. The only reason I trust this specific guy's information is that his brother was the chemist who made them. When you're getting pills from random people on the street/at a club, you're really taking a big gamble on the contents. I personally got a whole batch of tabs one time filled with piperazine, what totally sucked ass about these specific tabs is that when I gave them the full spectrum of tests from my Ez test extreme, they came up perfect, so they were clearly high volume piperazine mixed with just enough MDXX to get them to test perfectly. It's this kind of intentionally devious shitty mother fucker asshole behavior in people who are just out to make a quick profit that has caused me to step out of the tabs market. (But now I have found the SR, so we'll see.)
It's also that above situation (and others, I have collectively gotten boned on about $10,000[wholesale] worth of stuff) that caused me to just want to make MDMA myself so that I could guarantee myself, my friends, and my customers that they will be getting awesomely pure shit at a totally normal fair price.
Clearly I have a special kind of hate for tabs given what I've said, so i prefer powder/crystals. But to weigh in on the flip side, I have also had some awesome times on tabs too. In fact, unknowingly to me at the time, the first ones I took were the aforementioned ones cut with meth, and I had a crazy good time, and the next night too. If I had known there was meth in those tabs I wouldn't have taken them, given that I know quite a few people who have thoroughly destroyed their lives on meth. Nonetheless, good time.
Sorry for the long ass reply. Moral of the story is: Pills are like life, as Forest would say, like a box of chocolates. Powder is (from my personal experience) more regularly more pure.
MDMA is not supposed to be a OMG floored experience all the time, alot of the time it's just feel good, man, touch my face, chill as fuck.
Regards.
-Bromine
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I think Bluelight is a really good place to look if you're looking for basic MDMA discussion and information. I've learned a lot in my years there.
But to answer your original question, MDMA is MDMA is MDMA no matter if it's in pill, capsule, powder, or dissolved in liquid. If you have 100mg of just MDMA in a capsule versus 100mg pressed into a tab with fillers and binders, it's going to be exactly the same thing. There are no differences in effects, despite what many people have formulated their opinions on. The difference in effects between presses and powders only comes from the quality of the source.
If your friend feels like he rolls better on pills than on powder/crystal, his dealer might just have a better connection to a good pill supply than the other stuff.
+1 for Bluelight, there's a really good community with lots of good information over there, highly recommended. As for pills versus powder, based on my experiences with pills and the vast spectrum of different effects/substances i have myself tested them for I will always say go with a pure powder source if you can.
I have known a dealer who specifically had two types of pills, ones cut with Meth, the others just pure MDMA cut with binder. The only reason I trust this specific guy's information is that his brother was the chemist who made them. When you're getting pills from random people on the street/at a club, you're really taking a big gamble on the contents. I personally got a whole batch of tabs one time filled with piperazine, what totally sucked ass about these specific tabs is that when I gave them the full spectrum of tests from my Ez test extreme, they came up perfect, so they were clearly high volume piperazine mixed with just enough MDXX to get them to test perfectly. It's this kind of intentionally devious shitty mother fucker asshole behavior in people who are just out to make a quick profit that has caused me to step out of the tabs market. (But now I have found the SR, so we'll see.)
It's also that above situation (and others, I have collectively gotten boned on about $10,000[wholesale] worth of stuff) that caused me to just want to make MDMA myself so that I could guarantee myself, my friends, and my customers that they will be getting awesomely pure shit at a totally normal fair price.
Clearly I have a special kind of hate for tabs given what I've said, so i prefer powder/crystals. But to weigh in on the flip side, I have also had some awesome times on tabs too. In fact, unknowingly to me at the time, the first ones I took were the aforementioned ones cut with meth, and I had a crazy good time, and the next night too. If I had known there was meth in those tabs I wouldn't have taken them, given that I know quite a few people who have thoroughly destroyed their lives on meth. Nonetheless, good time.
Sorry for the long ass reply. Moral of the story is: Pills are like life, as Forest would say, like a box of chocolates. Powder is (from my personal experience) more regularly more pure.
MDMA is not supposed to be a OMG floored experience all the time, alot of the time it's just feel good, man, touch my face, chill as fuck.
Regards.
-Bromine
I too have had great times and not as great times on both pills and powders. One thing I do have to say about pills is that there are websites like pillreports.com and ecstasydata.org that you can look up lots of different presses. Unfortunately you can't look up "capsule with tan powder" and expect to get a real analysis of its contents :P
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Your friend is indeed right about this, only due to the fact that roughly 90% of the XTC pills out there, are 90% cut.. maybe thats a bit of an exaduration, but the point is, its not the MDMA in the X pills that sends you to la la land, its all the other chems they are packed with. I personal cant stand MDMA crystal or powder, for it seems to hardly have any effect on me at all..with all the super dirty/speedy/trippy X pills ive eatn in my day.