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Discussion => Newbie discussion => Topic started by: Pele on July 13, 2013, 08:36 am
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I wouldn't recommend Rizzuto. There are long threads about both megrimlock and Rizzuto.
BE WARNED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Rizzuto is a SCAMMER!!! first time 1g ok then 14g gave fake track number and not answering
BE WARNED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
RIZZUTO IS SCAMMER, RIPPED ME OFF 14g DO NOT ORDER FROM RIZZUTO!!!
HE WILL RIP YOU OFF OR SCAM YOU!!!
FIRST I ORDER 1G ARRIVED, THEN I ORDERED 14g RIZZUTO ASKED ME TO FE WHICH HE DIDNT DO LAST TIME, SO I WAS SUSPISIUOS, SO I SAID I WILL FE AFTER
GETTING TRACKING NUMBER, TO MY SURPRISE TRACKING NUMBER WAS AVAILABLE STRAIGHT AWAY THEN HE WAS INSISTING THAT I FE AND ASKED FEW TIMES
(ARMATURE), MADE ME EVEN MORE SUS, SO I DIDNT FE STILL AND CHECKED NEXT MORNING SURELY ENOUGH IS WAS A FAKE TRACKING NUMBER FOR ANOTHER
ORDER THE STATUS SAID :
2013/07/09 08:19 USORDA, International shipment has arrived in a foreign country
"SO I MESSAGED HIM SAYING WRONG TRACKING NUMBER MATE, ARE YOU DOING A SHIFTY TRYING TO RIP ME OFF??" HE READ THE MESSAGE AND NEVER REPLIED SINCE OR EVEN READ ANYMORE MESSAGES OF MINE...
THE PACKAGE WAS DELIVERED IN THE USA ALREADY. AS PER BELOW:
2013/07/12 11:04 91103,USA Item successfully delivered PERSONS NAME (REMOVED FOR SECURITY)
09:39 91103,USA Item has been received at the delivery office in the destination country
SO HE GAVE ME A FAKE TRACK NUMBER EXPECTING ME TO FE...... AND ASKED ME TO FE I DIDNT. TRACKING NUMBER GAVE ME FOR ANOTHER CONTINENT!!!!
SCAMMER DO NOT ORDER!!!!!
BE WARNED!!!! REPORTED THIS SCAMMER VENDOR TO SR!!
there are many other posts from other many more customers being ripped off by him!!!!
Like Murderface says "use your gut feeling"
Regards
Pele
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I wouldn't recommend Rizzuto. There are long threads about both megrimlock and Rizzuto.
there are many other posts from other many more customers being ripped off by him!!!
Could you paste some links for us please? I checked but couldn't seem to find those posts you mention
Also please acknowledge that:
- as per SR terms you should have solved that matter in RC.
- as you didn't FE, you didn't blow that chance.
- the only thing we know, is he didn't send you the relevant TN, for whatever reason.
How long have you been waiting for that order? How long have you been waiting for a reply?
It is appreciated you help the community, but up to now one can't really be sure it is a scam.
Keep us updated.
Peace out.
Jason.
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Just in defense of myself. This customer will be blacklisted both on my account and vendor roundtable..he/she has called me a scammer everywhere and asked to refund the money..I did not have their money it was sitting in Escrow..if it weren't for privacy reasons I would reveal the chat log.
Since I had a bump with competition I've been working very hard from 82% rating back up to hopefully one day 100% or close so I approached and discussed with Pele that I would just cancel the order so that further difficulties do not arise as this was not a way to start business and he offered 5/5 stating he canceled which is no problem no one loses and I gain my rating however this person hasn't kept their word and changed to 1/5 and hasn't removed these "false posts".
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82?! People say don't trust under 98! You got a long way to go man
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I'm inclined to side with Rizzuto. I have noticed some strange activity concerning his SR feedback plus he canceled the order and lost half ounce of good cola?
If that's the case then why leave him a 1/5? In my experience I was over joyed if I got my money back from a transaction that didn't go right. I think he deserved better than that because he did the right thing and canceled and you got your money back. A scammer would have offered a reship and drug it out a long time and maybe would have sent you a half ounce of bunk. It would have been harder for you to get your coin back if he had a track number showing delivery was right
Plus for anyone who is wandering, there's more to ordering from a vendor than just to go by his feedback percentage. I have ordered from vendors with 100% for 2 years and still got the shank. Read the review threads for the most current reviews as well as the numbers and read what the vendor has been saying lately to make a better more accurate decision to order
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Just in defense of myself. This customer will be blacklisted both on my account and vendor roundtable..he/she has called me a scammer everywhere and asked to refund the money..I did not have their money it was sitting in Escrow..if it weren't for privacy reasons I would reveal the chat log.
Since I had a bump with competition I've been working very hard from 82% rating back up to hopefully one day 100% or close so I approached and discussed with Pele that I would just cancel the order so that further difficulties do not arise as this was not a way to start business and he offered 5/5 stating he canceled which is no problem no one loses and I gain my rating however this person hasn't kept their word and changed to 1/5 and hasn't removed these "false posts".
From what I read he asked for his tracking number, not for his money. You gave him one regarding a parcel yet delivered in the US insisting on him to FE. I guess that since you couldn't provide a correct TN, he asked for the refund. Why did you cancel? You could have gone to RC, provide TN case closed. My guess is it would have disclosed your scam in RC.
As for the part where you state he didn't keep word, well, cynical, is what occurs to me.
I also read you sent an ounce of junk and you've got crap hard. This kind of vending will not get your rating back.
The guys posted here on the forums, it's not the competition, they rated what they got. 14g of rerock crap+ 14g of shit powder, as for the crack moist and tasting of baking soda.
At Ralph:
Why do you side with Rizzuto, I don't understand? What are you referring to when you mention this strange feedback activity? I managed to link all the feedback to different posts, so far.
Why do you state he lost a good ounce of product? OP said he never got an accurate TN, to which Rizzuto cancelled the order. So I guess it was never sent.
I reread your second paragraph a couple of times. Do you enjoy getting scammed?
Rizzuto cancelled an order that was never sent, or else he would have provided the accurate TN. He also already allegedly fucked someone sending exactly what you say, an ounce of bunk.
So sure, he got his money back, but as I suspect it was never sent, there is nothing to rejoice about. And as he got a wrong one before and was asked to FE, you must pretty much concede that it looked like a tentative scam to OP. I guess the "he tried to fuck me" feeling overweighs the "at least I have the $", understandably.
"It would have been harder to get your coin back if he had a TN saying the delivery is right?" What is that supposed to mean? He would also have his dope, hence no reason to complain. Unless he got bunk like the other guy.
Your whole response feels like flawed or hasty logic to me. The introduction is dangerous to potential customers.
Why in the world based on the arguments you mention, would you side with Rizzuto? Sorry, but you fail to make any sense to me.
Don't get me wrong, I was thinking the same as you Ralph123, but that was before R. Stated he cancelled.
Please comment, there are surely things I overlooked.
Anyways I'll have close look on that one.
Peace out
Jason
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Hi All,
Please read my reply below regarding the liar Rizzuto, please be patient and I am sure you will make up your own mind!!! That he tried to scam me no other way!
what would you require as proof? I have all correspondence and the fake track number given....He said that they gave him wrong track number and the package is on its way, yet when i asked for refund he canceled order saying wrong track number but sent order!
I am sure when you read the conversation (cut & paste) below between us and read what he wrote you can decide then...I am sure!
after I ordered 14g here goes the conversation
Me 11 days ago:
my friend that was the only option there mate
so i couldn't have chosen any other as there wasn't, sorry..
and of course express tracked sign my friend, mate the quality sure good or really good?
what would you wanna do? last time see below you promised me extra on next purchase which is this one ;)
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Me 11 days ago:
mate we are going to miss shipping out today :) you forgot to put shipping options!! i choose the only one i could!!
hope we can resolve this asap
Pele
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Rizzuto 10 days ago:
Pele69,
I shipped your order today so just forward me $60 worth of bitcoins for international tracked shipping to AUS.
You can send coins by inputting someones username, please confirm once sent.
Also did you want to finalize?
Regards,
Rizzuto
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Me 10 days:
kool, when get tracking we said
plz gpg it
for peace of mind mate
whats the quality like will i be able to make $$ or it?
cheers
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Rizzuto 10 days:
Here is the tracking number which will be available tomorrow noon.
EG 015 645 387 CA
Also please forward the $60 for reimbursement of the xpresspost international shipping fee.
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Me 10 days:
will do mate no worries will deposit some more anyways
thanks mate and once here will order the big one alright
Kind regards
Pele
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Me 9 days ago:
just read review on forum from guy bought 28g and he didn't like quality, I really hope mine is good quality mate so we can do business.
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Rizzuto 9 days:
Pele69,
Yes this guy has been blacklisted in the vendor roundtable and I have hit lots of competition on the way..a lot of people love my quality and on a simple test as forensic narcotic field kit it shows my product in the 5 star range with a dark brown coffee color which indicates in the 90s for purity.
Regards,
Rizzuto
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Rizzuto 8 days:
Pele69,
Are you going to finalize and send me the rest of the money for the shipping because I already gave you a 10% discount which even at my prices is enough because AUS has crazy prices.
Regards,
Rizzuto
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Me 8 days:
yes my friend you dont have to worry about that, just have to deposit in the bank today or tomorrow mate
no worries
and please get a nice quality ounce ready bro, kool
Pele
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Rizzuto 8 days:
Pele69,
The money is already in with the order of the 14g.
total price: $752.31
ordered: July 8, 2013, 6:19 am UTC
shipped: July 8, 2013, 9:41 pm UTC
Do not worry about stock I always have quality and quality is consistent..never out of stock.
Regards,
Rizzuto
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Me 8 days:
mate it says
USORDA,USA Item has been sent to customs in the destination country
why is it in USA? you sure thats my tracking
cheers
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Me again:
mate i have had a bad feeling about this specially that you read the message and didn't reply!
Im not sure whats going on but this seems like it is not my tracking number?
Anyways, in the morning all will be clear.....it will be a real disappointment if you where pulling a shifty mate, I will get all my cash back no worries report you and you will not be able to sell on SR again, specially to oz. Only a waste of my time... So your loss if this is what you are doing!
Hope not! but seems like it
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Me again 7 days ago:
So no reply mate??
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Me 6 days ago:
you tried to scam me and rip me off id didnt work so return money now!!!
2013/07/12 11:04 91103,USA Item successfully delivered GGARDNER
item delivered and signed
reporting you to SR and forums and everyone i know
at the end i will get full refund, either do it yourself or will be forced to shut account and will still refund
could have had good business, low man thats low!
return full refund
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Me 6 days:
i have reported you to SR so you will be hearing from them, now before i go into the forums and chat with my friends and ruin your profile and destroy you already damaged reputation then by all means i will have fun and I WILL GET A FULL REFUND no worries about that.. its the time involved in resolution!!!
now you sort this now by giving back a full refund and you should send an apology product or something but I dont expect that from a low person how scams and rips clients....
anyways, half a day chance thats it then im onto the forums for destroying you I have heaps of mate and been here a long time My brother been a year knows more people, im not scaring im informing you of whats going to happen. Now either way im getting my money SR will issue full refund, it all comes down to how much further you wanna get your damaged reputation & business fucked up!!
I promise you this I will not rest, I am relentless mate! Will not stop posting, warning, and on your profile too!!! so do the right thing so I can go away, again Im getting full refund either way, better comes from you then from SR...
Half a day!
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Rizzuto 6 days:
Pele69,
My courier sent your parcel but gave me the wrong tracking number. Also you never sent me any money..actually you didn't even reimburse me for the payment of shipping.
I will cancel your order but only if you put 5/5 as I'm tired of scammers ruining my feedback I'm working hard to recover..you see my feedback I am legitimate.
Regards,
Rizzuto
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Me 6 days:
but you didnt send anything mate...
cancel and i will put 5/5 and i will even delete the posts
I promise you refund all now and i will
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Me 6 days:
and im not a or the scammer you are mate!!!
like i said i dont have to put 5/5 and i will get the money, but if you refund now, like now then will put 5/5 otherwise SR will give back and you left with 1/5 and i continue posting on forums.. why did u do that? dont care
just refund
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Rizzuto 5 days:
I'm not a scammer and I do not have your money it's in Escrow..I canceled your order. Do not call me a scammer because my courier dropped off your documents in the mailbox and now it's on it's way with your money..so I hope you will clear this up on the forums..because you are screwing with my business and I did nothing wrong.
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Me 5 days:
mate you didnt send in the first place so you tried to scam....i really dont know why specially that i thought you where good and was going to order 28g when that 14arrives but anyways your loss....still dont know why you did that?
like we agreed i will 5/5 coz im a man of my word unlike some! even though i dont have to do shit and my money would have still come, but I do what i say....
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Rizzuto 5 days:
You are not a man of your word you changed to 1/5 and you did not delete the post.
I will use all this against you and I will blacklist your name in the vendor roundtable..you are unlawful and a piece of garbage.
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Me 5 days ago:
i dont have to so anything but i did, if would you like to take this really to the forums and SR tribunal im more than happy to.
You are a scammer. want to take it further like i said more than happy..
P.S: i was gonna get a full refund either way whether you like it or not, SR was gonna give that and still get 1/5.....
the piece of garbage here is you scammer! I will not get blacklisted coz vendors know me well and if you do You are finished here coz I will have that as agenda to show your truth..that you are a scammer!
There are other Aussie clients that you screwed and others i have been chating with.
Now this is finished move on, you will not get what you are after coz yo
u dont deserve it! want to take this further and ruin your damaged rep and business, I more than happy to do that I have time specially to convey the truth about a scammer!!
However, I will delete the post on your profile.
Pele
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Rizzuto 5 days:
Pele69,
Yes I will gladly take this to the forum because I offer a product and have not ripped anyone off the documents were actually dropped off at the mailbox roughly 11:48AM that morning with receipt so now I have to find someway to get that back.
Also yes I am screwed I will admit and SR needs to develop ways to keep greedy scammers like you away. You are not known by an vendors and will be blacklisted soon.
Regards,
Rizzuto
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Me 4 days ago:
whatever!
like i said move on or i will repost up to, but im not changing what you dont deserve,
build your rep back up by being honest.......I will post your messages if you want to take further and people will see you are a scammer!
And bullshit you sent anything no one will believe you the truth outshines anything you will lose again...
move one and be honest rating will go up stay a scammer it will not
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So you see, tries to scam me!
Rizzuto, a better explanation would be appreciated and in order mate...you have the floor...
one of Rizzuto's messages:
You are not a man of your word you changed to 1/5 and you did not delete the post.
I will use all this against you and I will blacklist your name in the vendor roundtable..you are unlawful and a piece of garbage.
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And to the person who gave me -ve karma plz take back or give +ve (at least double hehehe)
I am not here to defame or ruin anyone Rizzuto is such a victim role player....Competition out ruin me, its a customer who ordered 28g from Oz and gave him a very low rate I recall 1/5 also so Rizzuto re branded him into competition for sympathy.
Again, I do not defame anyone, I am merely warning others to take care with him...My first order of 2g went smooth and all was good but when I ordered 14g he got greedy and tried to scam me!
There is no other way, he tried to scam.
Kind regards
Pele
Purchasing statistics
Member for: 4 months
1 month 3 months 1 year
total transactions 5 15 21
total spent $2,089.10 $4,833.10 $5,667.30
refund rate 0% 0% 0%
auto-finalize rate 0% 0% 0%
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P.S:
That when I gave Rizzuto 1/5 rating he was at 85-82 and now a week and a half later he is 75 or 72 but he went back up to 77 truth be said! I think its only with bulk, maybe still shouldn't be....
Not the way to be on SR....I like and respect this place as from my states....
All the best, be safe and take care.
Watch out for scammer ;) hehe
Kind regards
Pele
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Also, I never gave below 5/5 to any vendor except the ones who scammed or tried to scam in this case Rizzuto, gque, Doctordruglord 1/5. Other than that even for custom seized orders I still give 5/5 coz the vendor tried his best and shipped it also SR is a shared risk, escrow all the way though!
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Pele, make sure to edit your post so to delete the name of the addressee, please. You might want to delete your SR buyer account name and the country where you reside, as well.
To sum it up:
- As I said above, it appears doubtful Rizzuto had cancelled the order if he sent it. This, and Rizzutos behavior are your arguments of why this is a scam, to you.
- you also disclose how you use your forum presence, acquaintances and your feedback, as leverage to obtain a desirable outcome. This might get you in the vendor blacklist.
Thanks for the full disclosure.
Be sure to update if the package should show up, even though it seems unlikely.
Peace out
Jason
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it was to get my money back that all. I didnt mean anything else by that...Please let me know if you see another course of action or recommend what to do?
I am more than happy to delete all the posts. I am not here to ruin a persons business, no not at all. I only wanted a refund for him to cancel the order and refund my money and just a warning for others. However, if you reckon that I went about it the wrong way please let me know and I will give it thought and see how I can remedy the situation.
I am just glad that you can see or understand my point of view, I order 14g, he asked to FE i said after tracking, got tracking checked found fake tracking not mine, asked for a refund and for him to cancel order...which he finally did, having said that he saying that a package was sent then where is the track number he got? second, I can see your point in his defense that so far it is not 100% solid proof of him scamming but the thing is he didnt. He tried to scam!
Now, if there was a package sent, which never happened, it should have arrived last week!!! Do you really think or believe anyone would ship 14g then refund the money, come on...
Anyways, again please let me know your thoughts.
Kind regards
Pele
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what a joke! This vendor should just give up. if he really sent it he would have taken it to resolution.
selective bulk scammer!
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Man this guy got his money back and sat there saying im a man of my word ill change it to 5/5 i do what i say etc then doesn't what a fuckstick
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it was to get my money back that all. I didnt mean anything else by that...Please let me know if you see another course of action or recommend what to do?
I can't recommend you any alternate course, I see plenty, but in the end it's up to you. Your goal was to get the cash back, you succeeded. You disclose everything, as you feel what and how you did it were the right things to do. Than, to achieve to oust him as a scammer, you would have needed to wait until RC.
I am more than happy to delete all the posts. I am not here to ruin a persons business, no not at all. I only wanted a refund for him to cancel the order and refund my money and just a warning for others. However, if you reckon that I went about it the wrong way please let me know and I will give it thought and see how I can remedy the situation.
You need to edit the post disclosing the PM exchange with R. NOW!!! (Name, Tracking number). Don't delete it, just modify it.
I am just glad that you can see or understand my point of view, I order 14g, he asked to FE i said after tracking, got tracking checked found fake tracking not mine, asked for a refund and for him to cancel order...which he finally did, having said that he saying that a package was sent then where is the track number he got? second, I can see your point in his defense that so far it is not 100% solid proof of him scamming but the thing is he didnt. He tried to scam!
I don't defend R. He's a big bwoy he can do that for himself. I try to understand your pov, as well as his. My previous post below, prior to your response with the chat log.
From what I read he asked for his tracking number, not for his money. You gave him one regarding a parcel yet delivered in the US insisting on him to FE. I guess that since you couldn't provide a correct TN, he asked for the refund. Why did you cancel? You could have gone to RC, provide TN case closed. My guess is it would have disclosed your scam in RC.
Now, if there was a package sent, which never happened, it should have arrived last week!!! Do you really think or believe anyone would ship 14g then refund the money, come on...
Quoting the same post as above:
Don't get me wrong, I was thinking the same as you Ralph123, but that was before R. Stated he cancelled.
Anyways, again please let me know your thoughts.
Kind regards
Pele
The way did it you get two kind of responses:
what a joke! This vendor should just give up. if he really sent it he would have taken it to resolution.
selective bulk scammer!
Man this guy got his money back and sat there saying im a man of my word ill change it to 5/5 i do what i say etc then doesn't what a fuckstick
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Rizzuto's account has been suspended.