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Title: Machine Elves and DMT
Post by: raynardine on January 27, 2013, 01:17 am
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machine_Ef

An interesting read.

Maybe me wonder if DMT might be something I'd want to try.
Title: Re: Machine Elves and DMT
Post by: ecstasydude on January 27, 2013, 01:22 am
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machine_Ef

An interesting read.

Maybe me wonder if DMT might be something I'd want to try.

You seriously need to try DMT!
I had some wild times on shrooms, but no way as good compared too DMT.

Its absolutely wild ride.
Atleast try it once, in your life.

I have a sample of DMT, waiting to be smoked.
Im so excited :)

Stuff is expansive, but sure is a Roller coaster ticket.
Title: Re: Machine Elves and DMT
Post by: moonflower on January 27, 2013, 01:49 am
yep, elves are very common actually. there are many beings to be found in the realms of dmt. i just recently saw my first machine elf. it made me so giddy, i felt like a kid again. dmt interests me the most out of all the psychedelics simply because of its widespread occurrence. it can be found in many plants, it's produced naturally in the human body and is found in many other animals as well. i have a strong feeling that it is present in every living being, and that it is essential to life... we'll just have to see if my suspicions hold true. regardless, dmt truly is a unique chemical that gives us access to higher vibrational levels of reality, showing us how little we really know about "reality." it's called the spirit molecule for a reason!
Title: Re: Machine Elves and DMT
Post by: raynardine on January 27, 2013, 02:49 am
Interesting.

I guess I'll have to try this.
Title: Re: Machine Elves and DMT
Post by: hoobydoobydoo on January 27, 2013, 05:40 am
I am hoping to meet the machine elves again tomorrow night!   :o
Title: Re: Machine Elves and DMT
Post by: CiscoYankerStuck on January 27, 2013, 05:59 am
Haha, this might be the impetus for me to make my first DMT purchase.
Title: Re: Machine Elves and DMT
Post by: Roky Erickson on January 27, 2013, 06:11 am
Interesting.

I guess I'll have to try this.

Make sure you try it outdoors for the full effects and say hello to Dimitri for me.
Title: Re: Machine Elves and DMT
Post by: The Scientist on January 27, 2013, 06:17 am
DMT seems to amplify the unconscious to "auditory" or conscious levels. Unconscious mental processes are thus interpreted as "entities" coming from outside oneself. 
Title: Re: Machine Elves and DMT
Post by: busta999 on January 30, 2013, 08:22 am
Thanks for pointing out this article. Looks like a "gotta try this".
I'm off to get some. Will probably order from Jesusofrave as he has done well as an acid vendor.
Title: Re: Machine Elves and DMT
Post by: murungu on January 30, 2013, 09:43 am
We have some concerns as we look on with interest.

If we came into possession, we would be rolling alone (we of course, meaning 'me') we have read elsewhere that:

1. We could fall over as the superfast onset hits, with a very hot pipe in our trembling hand.
2. We could yell and scream from the visuals (not a good look as we share a home with a non-using sibling).
3.We could run around naked (we don't give a shit about that, others might not be so pleased to see all of us.)
4. DMT would forever after 'spoil' acid and shrooms and the research family highs for us.
5. We could have an horrific trip and no way to 'marshal' ourselves without a sitter (see points 1,2,3)

In addition:

It is a difficult chem to 'activate' requiring a certain cooking skill set and unique equipment.

Any user/experts want to debunk the 'myths' for us?
Title: Re: Machine Elves and DMT
Post by: hoobydoobydoo on January 30, 2013, 03:35 pm
I am not sure who it was here on SR but they gave me the idea of using my Volcano Digit instead of the GVG I bought specifically for DMT vaporization.

Since then reaching the desired effect level has become too easy almost.  Instead of sitting there with flame and glass pipe in hand trying to make sure I both don't burn the DMT as well as don't drop the pipe, I now can lie back with nice music on, and just keep breathing in from the balloon until the world melts before me.

I have only done this twice so far since I was taught this trick, with increasing success each time.  I have never gotten up from the spot where I was lying yet.  Plan to experiment more this weekend with my friend.  I cannot imagine having the ability to either tear my clothes off or run around naked but I suppose everything affects everyone differently. 
Title: Re: Machine Elves and DMT
Post by: moonflower on January 30, 2013, 10:33 pm
We have some concerns as we look on with interest.

If we came into possession, we would be rolling alone (we of course, meaning 'me') we have read elsewhere that:

1. We could fall over as the superfast onset hits, with a very hot pipe in our trembling hand.
2. We could yell and scream from the visuals (not a good look as we share a home with a non-using sibling).
3.We could run around naked (we don't give a shit about that, others might not be so pleased to see all of us.)
4. DMT would forever after 'spoil' acid and shrooms and the research family highs for us.
5. We could have an horrific trip and no way to 'marshal' ourselves without a sitter (see points 1,2,3)

In addition:

It is a difficult chem to 'activate' requiring a certain cooking skill set and unique equipment.

Any user/experts want to debunk the 'myths' for us?
i'll try to answer your questions to the best of my ability...
1. immediately after i smoke dmt, i am pretty much immobile until the comedown. i have smoked it alone before and i just kept my hand on the bong the whole time. never had a problem.
2. as i said before, dmt is pretty immobilizing. highly unlikely that you'd scream, or be able to for that matter.
3. again, during the peak, you won't be moving much, if at all. trust me, you will not be running around.
4. each psychedelic is unique and has its own essence. personally, dmt has not ruined acid or shrooms for me in the least... there's a time and a place for each one of them.
5. try not to worry about having a bad trip. meditate beforehand, maybe smoke some weed to put you into a calm, relaxed state. go with the flow. do not resist any negative feelings you may have because that will just make things worse. if you're having a bad trip on dmt, it will be over within minutes.

as for smoking methods, i believe the most foolproof is sandwiching it between weed in a bong. i personally swear by this method. it's simple and effective, good for beginners. just make sure you take big lungfuls and hold them in for at least 15 seconds. i hope this information is helpful. good luck on your journey! :D
Title: Re: Machine Elves and DMT
Post by: Pelevin on January 30, 2013, 10:42 pm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machine_Ef

An interesting read.

Maybe me wonder if DMT might be something I'd want to try.

You seriously need to try DMT!
I had some wild times on shrooms, but no way as good compared too DMT.

Its absolutely wild ride.
Atleast try it once, in your life.

I have a sample of DMT, waiting to be smoked.
Im so excited :)

Stuff is expansive, but sure is a Roller coaster ticket.

Who would you recommend as a vendor? I've never bought dmt in my life.
Title: Re: Machine Elves and DMT
Post by: ecstasydude on January 30, 2013, 11:28 pm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machine_Ef

An interesting read.

Maybe me wonder if DMT might be something I'd want to try.

You seriously need to try DMT!
I had some wild times on shrooms, but no way as good compared too DMT.

Its absolutely wild ride.
Atleast try it once, in your life.

I have a sample of DMT, waiting to be smoked.
Im so excited :)

Stuff is expansive, but sure is a Roller coaster ticket.

Who would you recommend as a vendor? I've never bought dmt in my life.

Pelevin, Im sorry, I have never purchased DMT on SR...
so I cant say who's DMT is better..

But the sample is from PPLLUURR vendor, great vendor great price, great shipping, but he is in canada, so 7 days to USA. :)
I hope this helps...
Title: Re: Machine Elves and DMT
Post by: atlas on January 30, 2013, 11:35 pm
I am not sure who it was here on SR but they gave me the idea of using my Volcano Digit instead of the GVG I bought specifically for DMT vaporization.

Since then reaching the desired effect level has become too easy almost.  Instead of sitting there with flame and glass pipe in hand trying to make sure I both don't burn the DMT as well as don't drop the pipe, I now can lie back with nice music on, and just keep breathing in from the balloon until the world melts before me.

I have only done this twice so far since I was taught this trick, with increasing success each time.  I have never gotten up from the spot where I was lying yet.  Plan to experiment more this weekend with my friend.  I cannot imagine having the ability to either tear my clothes off or run around naked but I suppose everything affects everyone differently.

That's pretty nice man. I have a volcano classic and some Changa, maybe I should try that.
Can you (or anyone else) give me some advice on how to do it properly?

1 - Temprature?
2 - Amount?
3 - Will this amount fill a single bag or more?


Title: Re: Machine Elves and DMT
Post by: moonflower on January 30, 2013, 11:46 pm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machine_Ef

An interesting read.

Maybe me wonder if DMT might be something I'd want to try.

You seriously need to try DMT!
I had some wild times on shrooms, but no way as good compared too DMT.

Its absolutely wild ride.
Atleast try it once, in your life.

I have a sample of DMT, waiting to be smoked.
Im so excited :)

Stuff is expansive, but sure is a Roller coaster ticket.

Who would you recommend as a vendor? I've never bought dmt in my life.
i highly recommend rogerpete. his dmt is synthetic (the first i've seen on sr) and it's beautiful beyond words. more warm and vibrant than any dmt extract i've had. i also think it would be good for beginners as it feels a lot less "alien" and more "human" for lack of better words... it's just very gentle and comfortable in comparison to a lot of the other dmt i've smoked. i can definitely feel the love he put into the synthesis, that's for sure!
Title: Re: Machine Elves and DMT
Post by: ecstasydude on January 31, 2013, 12:05 am
I am not sure who it was here on SR but they gave me the idea of using my Volcano Digit instead of the GVG I bought specifically for DMT vaporization.

Since then reaching the desired effect level has become too easy almost.  Instead of sitting there with flame and glass pipe in hand trying to make sure I both don't burn the DMT as well as don't drop the pipe, I now can lie back with nice music on, and just keep breathing in from the balloon until the world melts before me.

I have only done this twice so far since I was taught this trick, with increasing success each time.  I have never gotten up from the spot where I was lying yet.  Plan to experiment more this weekend with my friend.  I cannot imagine having the ability to either tear my clothes off or run around naked but I suppose everything affects everyone differently.

That's pretty nice man. I have a volcano classic and some Changa, maybe I should try that.
Can you (or anyone else) give me some advice on how to do it properly?

1 - Temprature?
2 - Amount?
3 - Will this amount fill a single bag or more?


Whats is Changa guys?

I heard the name before, but dont know anything about it.
Title: Re: Machine Elves and DMT
Post by: Pelevin on January 31, 2013, 12:10 am
Moonflower: Thanks for the tip!
Title: Re: Machine Elves and DMT
Post by: moonflower on January 31, 2013, 12:20 am
I am not sure who it was here on SR but they gave me the idea of using my Volcano Digit instead of the GVG I bought specifically for DMT vaporization.

Since then reaching the desired effect level has become too easy almost.  Instead of sitting there with flame and glass pipe in hand trying to make sure I both don't burn the DMT as well as don't drop the pipe, I now can lie back with nice music on, and just keep breathing in from the balloon until the world melts before me.

I have only done this twice so far since I was taught this trick, with increasing success each time.  I have never gotten up from the spot where I was lying yet.  Plan to experiment more this weekend with my friend.  I cannot imagine having the ability to either tear my clothes off or run around naked but I suppose everything affects everyone differently.

That's pretty nice man. I have a volcano classic and some Changa, maybe I should try that.
Can you (or anyone else) give me some advice on how to do it properly?

1 - Temprature?
2 - Amount?
3 - Will this amount fill a single bag or more?


Whats is Changa guys?

I heard the name before, but dont know anything about it.
changa is essentially smokable ayahuasca... dmt infused onto an maoi-containing plant, which potentiates the dmt. the effects of changa are less intense and more "grounded" than freebase dmt.
Title: Re: Machine Elves and DMT
Post by: bull3gern on January 31, 2013, 04:59 am
I found a clear-net vendor, a shop in the Netherlands, that sold smokable ayahuasca (changa as you called it - I did not know what changa was, either). I would have to log off & log on in non-TOR mode to get the address, but I have considered ordering some from this place. I do have some pharmahuasca I bought on SR (from Tesseracd4D, good to deal with), but I haven't quite worked up the nerve for DMT yet. I've tried smoking some dried Psychotria viridis leaves, and although I had some kind of effect, it wasn't strong enough to tell anything about it - not weed, not tobacco/nicotine, but definitely not what I have heard of DMT.

I may yet get some DMT and do the cannabis-DMT sandwich pipe thing - I've heard the key is not burning the DMT with the direct flame.
Title: Re: Machine Elves and DMT
Post by: moonflower on January 31, 2013, 05:39 am
I found a clear-net vendor, a shop in the Netherlands, that sold smokable ayahuasca (changa as you called it - I did not know what changa was, either). I would have to log off & log on in non-TOR mode to get the address, but I have considered ordering some from this place. I do have some pharmahuasca I bought on SR (from Tesseracd4D, good to deal with), but I haven't quite worked up the nerve for DMT yet. I've tried smoking some dried Psychotria viridis leaves, and although I had some kind of effect, it wasn't strong enough to tell anything about it - not weed, not tobacco/nicotine, but definitely not what I have heard of DMT.

I may yet get some DMT and do the cannabis-DMT sandwich pipe thing - I've heard the key is not burning the DMT with the direct flame.
yeah, that's the key alright! if you sandwich the dmt, it will vaporize instead of burn. i recommend a bong instead of a pipe though, much smoother and easier to take big hits.
Title: Re: Machine Elves and DMT
Post by: raynardine on January 31, 2013, 05:57 am
yeah, that's the key alright! if you sandwich the dmt, it will vaporize instead of burn. i recommend a bong instead of a pipe though, much smoother and easier to take big hits.

Good to know.
Title: Re: Machine Elves and DMT
Post by: bull3gern on January 31, 2013, 06:32 am
Yeah, bongs are great, but not those huge things that take 18 tokes to get the smoke to the mouth of it (and oneself!)
Title: Re: Machine Elves and DMT
Post by: Purple_Hue000 on March 28, 2013, 06:43 pm
Do high doses of Mushrooms feel somewhat like DMT?
Title: Re: Machine Elves and DMT
Post by: jmoney113 on March 28, 2013, 06:49 pm
Do high doses of Mushrooms feel somewhat like DMT?

I don't think you can really compare the two, as they are very different in their purpose. Say weed makes you feel like an alien, mushrooms make you think you're an alien, well DMT takes you to meet the aliens lol. To me it's not really a psychedelic, only a short window into another dimension with incomprehensible entities. Now I've never taken a high enough dose of boomers to encounter the mushroom spirits or anything like that, but DMT is just a blast off for 15 minutes that feels like hours, and even lemon shots of 5g boomers don't really compare to the euphoria.
Title: Re: Machine Elves and DMT
Post by: oldtoby on March 29, 2013, 10:10 am
I am not sure who it was here on SR but they gave me the idea of using my Volcano Digit instead of the GVG I bought specifically for DMT vaporization.

Since then reaching the desired effect level has become too easy almost.  Instead of sitting there with flame and glass pipe in hand trying to make sure I both don't burn the DMT as well as don't drop the pipe, I now can lie back with nice music on, and just keep breathing in from the balloon until the world melts before me.

I so love to hear this. Having seen similar advice on SR, I set about acquiring a volcano digit, myself. However, I wasted my DMT on initial attempts and have to get some more - but I am so pleased to see another confirmation that this setup is effectively foolproof.
Title: Re: Machine Elves and DMT
Post by: connoisseur on March 29, 2013, 10:18 am
What is the melting point of DMT?
Title: Re: Machine Elves and DMT
Post by: DMTisinME on March 29, 2013, 01:25 pm
I am not sure who it was here on SR but they gave me the idea of using my Volcano Digit instead of the GVG I bought specifically for DMT vaporization.

Since then reaching the desired effect level has become too easy almost.  Instead of sitting there with flame and glass pipe in hand trying to make sure I both don't burn the DMT as well as don't drop the pipe, I now can lie back with nice music on, and just keep breathing in from the balloon until the world melts before me.

I have only done this twice so far since I was taught this trick, with increasing success each time.  I have never gotten up from the spot where I was lying yet.  Plan to experiment more this weekend with my friend.  I cannot imagine having the ability to either tear my clothes off or run around naked but I suppose everything affects everyone differently.

That's pretty nice man. I have a volcano classic and some Changa, maybe I should try that.
Can you (or anyone else) give me some advice on how to do it properly?

1 - Temprature?
2 - Amount?
3 - Will this amount fill a single bag or more?

Hey guys, you're answers lie in these threads:

vendors review thread:

http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=128241.0;topicseen

method to take DMT:

http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=137323.0;topicseen

Good luck to all!  ;)
Title: Re: Machine Elves and DMT
Post by: DeeMeeTree on April 05, 2013, 01:07 pm
Thanks OP for the interesting topic and post. As an experienced user of DMT it was truly an interesting read.

To those interested on trying DMT Do it!! Life changing experience! Just first research research research everything about it from how to vaporize to how long to hold the smoke in.

DeeMeeTree
Title: Re: Machine Elves and DMT
Post by: RobertMcLure on April 05, 2013, 01:45 pm
What is the melting point of DMT?

Its melting point is slightly under 50°C.


Edit: the clearnet says different informations raging from 48°C to 140°C and inbetween .... since DMT melts in a shotglass, while standing in hot, non-cooking water, its definitely below 70°C.
Title: Re: Machine Elves and DMT
Post by: davidthegnome on April 05, 2013, 08:12 pm
DMT seems to amplify the unconscious to "auditory" or conscious levels. Unconscious mental processes are thus interpreted as "entities" coming from outside oneself.

Is this your personal quote? Or is it part of a broader text?
Its a new perspective that I haven't heard before.
Title: Re: Machine Elves and DMT
Post by: Yoshitoshi on April 06, 2013, 01:05 am
Extracting your own DMT is not that hard, if you know your way around a kitchen, and can get some source material (many choices).

It's a few days occasional effort, and very satisfying. And spring/summer is the time, when you can evap and vent to your heart's content. Was always struck by how the peeps over at [CLEARNET] dmt-nexus.me had a taboo on selling/buying DMT...

The more efficient A/B (acid/base) method is basically: make tea, filter, make salad dressing, separate, make another dressing, separate again, and leave to dry!

Synthesizing LSD from scratch it is not...

And you'll have plenty to practice with. About 3% yield with Mimosa Hostilis, so 1.5g from 50g bark ($20 ?) plus solvents, obviously.

I found a herbal sandwich in a waterfall (fountain) bong to be best of all. Direct vaping from a pipe was like an overspeed bucking bronco machine: you could rarely last more than a few seconds...
Title: Re: Machine Elves and DMT
Post by: zener on April 07, 2013, 09:38 pm
in any case make sure you have some seroquel or alprazolam on hand. you ll be too fucked to get to it before the dmt wears off but its a good safety rope knowing you can abort the trip kinda fast.
Title: Re: Machine Elves and DMT
Post by: moonflower on April 07, 2013, 10:59 pm
in any case make sure you have some seroquel or alprazolam on hand. you ll be too fucked to get to it before the dmt wears off but its a good safety rope knowing you can abort the trip kinda fast.
now that's just silly! dmt doesn't last long at all. strong effects are gone within 20 minutes.
Title: Re: Machine Elves and DMT
Post by: oldtoby on April 10, 2013, 02:58 am
Extracting your own DMT is not that hard, if you know your way around a kitchen, and can get some source material (many choices).

Links to best instructions and sources?
Title: Re: Machine Elves and DMT
Post by: DMTisinME on April 10, 2013, 05:10 pm
Extracting your own DMT is not that hard, if you know your way around a kitchen, and can get some source material (many choices).

Links to best instructions and sources?

Here's a tek I put together and posted in the DMT review thread. For the MHRB, I believe that Great Green Arkleseizure acquired some and if you are serious PM him about it and he'll give you the vendor (who is not part of SR, if I am correct).

Hey GGA and others: In case you're interested, here is a beginner STB DMT extracted from MHRB I put together.

In this outline I use amounts specific to 200g of MHRB.

Ingredients:
100% caustic soda
naphtha
water
and of course MHRB

Tools:
CLEAR Glass jar (size depends on size of extraction)
Pipettes
Small - medium jar
Glass baking dish
Measuring jug / scale (you can scale out the liquids are well, but not the measuring jug for the solids)

optional but helpful:
funnel
dust mask, goggles, and gloves -- only necessary when handling lye (caustic soda). I only used gloves.

1. Wash you main jar thoroughly.

2. Add  1,000 mL (doesn't need to be exact) of water to the jar. (tap or purified) 1 mL water = 1g, if you are using a scale.

3. Add in 50g of lye to the jar. Once it is all in, give it a slight shake / swirl until it is completely dissolved.

4. Now filter in 200g of MHRB.

5. Give it a shake for a minute or two, it should be uniform consistency when you're done shaking.

6. Now store this is a dark and undisturbed place for 24 hours. A cabinet or closet is perfectly fine.

DAY TWO -- DO NOT SHAKE THE JAR AT THIS POINT OR UNTIL I TELL YOU TO DO SO.

7. Add 200 mL of napatha to the jar. (If i remember correctly 1 mL of naphtha = 0.7 g. But you should use your pipette and scale to confirm this.)

8. Fill a crockpot about half-way with water and turn it on. The water should get to be 55-60 C or 130-140 F.

9. Leave the jar in the heated bath for 30 to 40 minutes.

10. Take out your solution gently (have a towel ready to set it on). Open the cap to release and built up pressure.

11. Now, with the lid on, shake the jar firmly but not too hard for about 1-1.5 minutes.  Do not make it slosh too hard. I go with a firm side to side shake that does not cover a very long width.

12. Return the jar to the bath. Allow it to sit for 4 hours. This will separate the naphtha containing the DMT to the top.

13. After the time is up, very, very gently remove the jar from the bath, set it on your towel, remove the cap, and allow to cool. DO NOT SHAKE.

14. Once cooled use you pipette to extract the top layer of clear solution from the jar and put in your smaller jar. You can observe a line in the jar which is what you extract. Always keep the nozzle as high as you can to avoid sucking the impurities. Try to get as much as you can but don't sweat it about the very bottom, because most of the DMT is at the very top of the naphtha.

15.  Now put the naphtha on a well cleaned glass baking dish and put this in the freezer for 24-36 hours -- until crystals are present -- usually 24 hours.

16. Take the dish out of the freezer very gently. If you shake it, they will dissolve into the naphtha. Using your pipette remove any excess naphtha.

17. Set this dish in the same dark undisturbed place as you put the jar (or one similar) with a flat top covering it. Allow the naphtha to evaporate for a couple days or until it is gone. You should not smell any naphtha.

18. Scrape the DMT from the tray. Now judge whether you need to recrystallize it based on texture and color, but more so texture. I may post a recrystallization method but perhaps not because there are many out there and they are all fairly similar. If done correctly recrystallization should be unnecessary. 

----- Repeat all steps after step 7 with new naphtha each time doing a second, third, fourth pull, until you no longer yield any crystals. The more MHRB you use, the more pulls you should do.

PEACE -- DMTisinME  :)
Title: Re: Machine Elves and DMT
Post by: Yoshitoshi on April 11, 2013, 04:56 pm
I used an A/B technique over at dmt-nexus.me, which I can no longer find, apparently it was a bit hazardous for non-scientific types...! Worked absolutely top for me tho.

Took about a week from start to finish, with only a few hours actual work.

The "current favorite" for beginners seems to be this simpler STB tek, CLEARNET:

https://www.erowid.org/plants/mimosa/mimosa_chemistry1.shtml

I got all the necessary supplies via eBay, which probably wasn't the wisest thing to do, but I was impatient  ;)

MHRB is sometimes available as "jurema" for fabric dyeing purposes. Try and get the powdered form, the shit is mad tough and will eat your blender/grinder blades...

In case you can't get the exact same items, chances are someone over at the Nexus site has modded the tek, or a version of it, to take account of substitutions.

A good overview of teks is here, CLEARNET:

http://wiki.dmt-nexus.me/DMT_Extraction_Overview

If you go A/B, avoid using vinegar as the acid (citric is better) because your whole space will smell like a pickle factory for days.

Happy to answer any questions...

Good luck, and enjoy your first attempt at molecular woodworking  8)
Title: Re: Machine Elves and DMT
Post by: Joey Terrifying on April 11, 2013, 09:03 pm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machine_Ef

An interesting read.

Maybe me wonder if DMT might be something I'd want to try.

DMT is an amazing drug, but i strongly advise you not to believe everything you read about it.  The experience itself is neither here nor there, always changing, and totally subjective.
Title: Re: Machine Elves and DMT
Post by: donatto on April 11, 2013, 09:43 pm
Gotta try this ASAP, always awanted but had the money going other ways rofl
Title: Re: Machine Elves and DMT
Post by: leaf on May 04, 2013, 06:49 pm
What do you guys think about this....

In the 1970's there was a study done to examine the correlation between patients diagnosed with Schizophrenia and the content of DMT in their urine. They found that:

"122 recently admitted psychiatric patients and 20 normal subjects. DMT was detected in the urine of 47% of those diagnosed by their psychiatrists as schizophrenic, 38% of those with other non-affective psychoses, 13% of those with affective psychoses, 19% of those with neurotic and personality disorders and 5% of normal subjects"

and that

"The operational definitions failed to reveal any group significantly more correlated with urinary DMT than a hospital diagnosis of schizophrenia".

Further research concluded that although DMT had been found is the majority of patients diagnosed with schizophrenia, that the mental illness did not necessarily determine that these patients would excrete DMT. In other words they are correlated but not conducive.
Title: Re: Machine Elves and DMT
Post by: moonflower on May 08, 2013, 12:57 am
What do you guys think about this....

In the 1970's there was a study done to examine the correlation between patients diagnosed with Schizophrenia and the content of DMT in their urine. They found that:

"122 recently admitted psychiatric patients and 20 normal subjects. DMT was detected in the urine of 47% of those diagnosed by their psychiatrists as schizophrenic, 38% of those with other non-affective psychoses, 13% of those with affective psychoses, 19% of those with neurotic and personality disorders and 5% of normal subjects"

and that

"The operational definitions failed to reveal any group significantly more correlated with urinary DMT than a hospital diagnosis of schizophrenia".

Further research concluded that although DMT had been found is the majority of patients diagnosed with schizophrenia, that the mental illness did not necessarily determine that these patients would excrete DMT. In other words they are correlated but not conducive.
i have read about this before and am highly fascinated by these studies. really makes me wonder... what if you could create some sort of "anti-dmt"? it could possibly be used in the treatment of schizophrenia.
Title: Re: Machine Elves and DMT
Post by: DMTisinME on May 08, 2013, 03:49 pm
What do you guys think about this....

In the 1970's there was a study done to examine the correlation between patients diagnosed with Schizophrenia and the content of DMT in their urine. They found that:

"122 recently admitted psychiatric patients and 20 normal subjects. DMT was detected in the urine of 47% of those diagnosed by their psychiatrists as schizophrenic, 38% of those with other non-affective psychoses, 13% of those with affective psychoses, 19% of those with neurotic and personality disorders and 5% of normal subjects"

and that

"The operational definitions failed to reveal any group significantly more correlated with urinary DMT than a hospital diagnosis of schizophrenia".

Further research concluded that although DMT had been found is the majority of patients diagnosed with schizophrenia, that the mental illness did not necessarily determine that these patients would excrete DMT. In other words they are correlated but not conducive.
i have read about this before and am highly fascinated by these studies. really makes me wonder... what if you could create some sort of "anti-dmt"? it could possibly be used in the treatment of schizophrenia.

If DMT really was the root cause of schizophrenia, then you wouldn't need an "anti-DMT," you'd only need something that would reduce the production of the DMT in your brain. I believe that it is produced in the pineal gland and many people have theirs calcified due to fluoride consumption, so maybe they need to take fluoride?
Title: Re: Machine Elves and DMT
Post by: CiscoYankerStuck on May 09, 2013, 06:47 am
On a slightly off topic note, I've sometimes considered that the effects of a large dose of ketamine might feel similar to being schizophrenic.
Title: Re: Machine Elves and DMT
Post by: aussiepp on May 09, 2013, 12:48 pm
What do you guys think about this....

In the 1970's there was a study done to examine the correlation between patients diagnosed with Schizophrenia and the content of DMT in their urine. They found that:

"122 recently admitted psychiatric patients and 20 normal subjects. DMT was detected in the urine of 47% of those diagnosed by their psychiatrists as schizophrenic, 38% of those with other non-affective psychoses, 13% of those with affective psychoses, 19% of those with neurotic and personality disorders and 5% of normal subjects"

and that

"The operational definitions failed to reveal any group significantly more correlated with urinary DMT than a hospital diagnosis of schizophrenia".

Further research concluded that although DMT had been found is the majority of patients diagnosed with schizophrenia, that the mental illness did not necessarily determine that these patients would excrete DMT. In other words they are correlated but not conducive.
i have read about this before and am highly fascinated by these studies. really makes me wonder... what if you could create some sort of "anti-dmt"? it could possibly be used in the treatment of schizophrenia.

You should read 'The Spirit Molecule' if you haven't already.
There are MAO's in the pineal gland that acts as a counter-DMT. (from memory)
Title: Re: Machine Elves and DMT
Post by: moonflower on May 12, 2013, 09:46 pm
What do you guys think about this....

In the 1970's there was a study done to examine the correlation between patients diagnosed with Schizophrenia and the content of DMT in their urine. They found that:

"122 recently admitted psychiatric patients and 20 normal subjects. DMT was detected in the urine of 47% of those diagnosed by their psychiatrists as schizophrenic, 38% of those with other non-affective psychoses, 13% of those with affective psychoses, 19% of those with neurotic and personality disorders and 5% of normal subjects"

and that

"The operational definitions failed to reveal any group significantly more correlated with urinary DMT than a hospital diagnosis of schizophrenia".

Further research concluded that although DMT had been found is the majority of patients diagnosed with schizophrenia, that the mental illness did not necessarily determine that these patients would excrete DMT. In other words they are correlated but not conducive.
i have read about this before and am highly fascinated by these studies. really makes me wonder... what if you could create some sort of "anti-dmt"? it could possibly be used in the treatment of schizophrenia.

You should read 'The Spirit Molecule' if you haven't already.
There are MAO's in the pineal gland that acts as a counter-DMT. (from memory)
oh, i have... that's where i got "anti-dmt" from actually. excellent book!