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Market => Product offers => Topic started by: morphinate on January 07, 2013, 01:58 am
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I was looking through the opiate listings and noticed there is no pure morphine hcl for sale.
Is this because no one will buy it for a price that makes producing it worthwhile (would have to be at the very least a couple hundred bucks per gram) or just because no one has decided to sell it here yet?
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If you could get a reputable member here to verify that it was legit, then people would probably buy it for around 200 a gram.
Why wouldn't people want pure morphine? Sounds like a no-brainer to me.
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Cool. I'll get going on making it then. I was just wondering because the cost would be higher than most of the supposedly pure heroin here.
Any tips for finding a reputable member for approval once it's done?
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Keep reading the forums. Maybe find someone in the Netherlands who has access to testing facilities.
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Will do. Thanks
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Will this be like a pharmaceudical, mg by mg?
As in, if I was to ingest 30mg of your crystal would it be the same as ingesting a 30mg instant release morphine sulfate pill?
If that is the case then I am interested in at least 1 gram to mess around with, maybe half if you can offer half grams. I want more detail on it though!
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I was looking through the opiate listings and noticed there is no pure morphine hcl for sale.
Is this because no one will buy it for a price that makes producing it worthwhile (would have to be at the very least a couple hundred bucks per gram) or just because no one has decided to sell it here yet?
I know people would be interested in purchasing. $200/gram sounds like a good price. Is this something purchased as a powder, or will you be converting it and making it yourself? I am asking because if you were to make it into heroin, that could open up other possibilities.
I too am curious as to why there isn't more raw morphine hcl on SR. It is a very common medication worldwide and is often sold in bulk.
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Will this be like a pharmaceudical, mg by mg?
As in, if I was to ingest 30mg of your crystal would it be the same as ingesting a 30mg instant release morphine sulfate pill?
If that is the case then I am interested in at least 1 gram to mess around with, maybe half if you can offer half grams. I want more detail on it though
It should be pretty similar. Mine will most likely have more codeine impurities than pharmaceuticals, but the HCl salt is lighter than the sulfate salt.
I know people would be interested in purchasing. $200/gram sounds like a good price. Is this something purchased as a powder, or will you be converting it and making it yourself? I am asking because if you were to make it into heroin, that could open up other possibilities.
I too am curious as to why there isn't more raw morphine hcl on SR. It is a very common medication worldwide and is often sold in bulk.
I'm converting it myself, the issue with making heroin is I don't know where to get AA without raising a lot of red flags.
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When u get it made, made sure to pass a few samples out since its being made by you, to some of the respected members.. MC HARDBASHER IS ONE, JUST ABOUT ALL THE GUYS THAT R HERO MEMBERS ARE TRUSTED RESPECTED MEMBERS.. SOME OF US ARE EVEN ON RELIABLE REVIEWERS LIST FOR GIVING GREAT FEEDBACK ON PURCHASED PRODUCTS AN SAMPLES..
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I would take a 100mg sample or something if you ever offer them, as I have expressed interest in grams.
Good luck
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Just a little update since there seems to be a fair amount of interest:
Apparently I lost my source of BBr3. I'm currently looking for another, but I'm also exploring other routes. There's a chance that the final product will be hydromorphone instead (about 4-6x more potent, active intranasaly and IV, but not very good orally). Still shooting for having some samples ready in ~2 weeks, but no promises at this point.
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So dilaudid powder instead? I love that stuff, and would be happy to sample/purchase a gram or two.
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So dilaudid powder instead? I love that stuff, and would be happy to sample/purchase a gram or two.
Looking that way. If I can't get BBr3 the route I have to take to get high purity morphine is so similar to the route for hydromorphone it seems silly to make the morphine. I am still planning on doing a recrystallization or 3 on the final product, but it might end up looking like a powder anyway- I'm not entirely sure as I've never worked with pure hydromorphone.
I appreciate the interest- I'll keep ya posted :)
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Being that it is probably a different process, what's the price gonna look like for dilaudid vs morphine being that it is more potent?
Or do you not know yet? Either way I'll keep checkin' back here ;D
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I don't have an exact price yet, but it's going to be significantly cheaper per mg than the dilaudid on sr.
I hate to say it, but it's also more likely than not going to be significantly more than 200/g.
Either way, you're one of the people that I plan on giving a free sample to.
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Sounds so cool. Appreciate it man!
$200 or so is pretty good too, being that an 8mg dilaudid costs me $10-$14 each this is a steal compared to that!
Hope everything goes well, stay safe and take care.
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Will this be like a pharmaceudical, mg by mg?
As in, if I was to ingest 30mg of your crystal would it be the same as ingesting a 30mg instant release morphine sulfate pill?
If that is the case then I am interested in at least 1 gram to mess around with, maybe half if you can offer half grams. I want more detail on it though
It should be pretty similar. Mine will most likely have more codeine impurities than pharmaceuticals, but the HCl salt is lighter than the sulfate salt.
I know people would be interested in purchasing. $200/gram sounds like a good price. Is this something purchased as a powder, or will you be converting it and making it yourself? I am asking because if you were to make it into heroin, that could open up other possibilities.
I too am curious as to why there isn't more raw morphine hcl on SR. It is a very common medication worldwide and is often sold in bulk.
I'm converting it myself, the issue with making heroin is I don't know where to get AA without raising a lot of red flags.
Hey Morph- definitely keep me informed of the status. The hydro powder would be FANTASTIC!
Just FYI and (this is also why I was wondering if you were synthesizing yourself) and possibly another push in the Hydro direction: codeine is NOT good for IV, and morphine is not that active nasally. So if there would be considerable codeine impurities, you further limit your consumers drastically, because the oral bioavailability of Morphine is OK, but IV morph is the KING of Opiates and what all opi's are compared to potency wise. I think you would get the best 'bang for your buck' with hydromorphone, but if possible, pure morphine is much fun too.
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Will this be like a pharmaceudical, mg by mg?
As in, if I was to ingest 30mg of your crystal would it be the same as ingesting a 30mg instant release morphine sulfate pill?
If that is the case then I am interested in at least 1 gram to mess around with, maybe half if you can offer half grams. I want more detail on it though
It should be pretty similar. Mine will most likely have more codeine impurities than pharmaceuticals, but the HCl salt is lighter than the sulfate salt.
I know people would be interested in purchasing. $200/gram sounds like a good price. Is this something purchased as a powder, or will you be converting it and making it yourself? I am asking because if you were to make it into heroin, that could open up other possibilities.
I too am curious as to why there isn't more raw morphine hcl on SR. It is a very common medication worldwide and is often sold in bulk.
I'm converting it myself, the issue with making heroin is I don't know where to get AA without raising a lot of red flags.
Hey Morph- definitely keep me informed of the status. The hydro powder would be FANTASTIC!
Just FYI and (this is also why I was wondering if you were synthesizing yourself) and possibly another push in the Hydro direction: codeine is NOT good for IV, and morphine is not that active nasally. So if there would be considerable codeine impurities, you further limit your consumers drastically, because the oral bioavailability of Morphine is OK, but IV morph is the KING of Opiates and what all opi's are compared to potency wise. I think you would get the best 'bang for your buck' with hydromorphone, but if possible, pure morphine is much fun too.
I still want to make pure morphine (as much for personal use as anything else if I'm honest) but to sell it for a reasonable price I'm going to have to get my supplies in bulk. Hydromorphone is simpler to clean from anything that's going to give you pulmonary edema (mainly codeine/hydrocodone) as far as iv goes than morphine is as well.
So basically my plan right now is to do the higher profit hydromorphone then to expand into morphine HCl once I have the capital to really make it in bulk.
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love the hydromorphone idea. what about oxymorphone? and other opiate analogs? whats your estimated supply quantity (if not to give away details) i would be interested in at least 10g orders, provided quality.
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Oxymorphone is a possibility down the road, but not in the immediate future. I've got my hands full at the moment getting everything set for the hydro and am trying not to get ahead of myself.
I won't have anywhere near 10g after the first run, but if it's received well we could work something out soon. Bear in mind a strong dose for someone without a tolerance is ~4mg so there are about 250 doses per gram.
Now, as far as price goes: looking at my expenses and expected yields I'm *probably* going to end up charging .75-$1/mg. If everything goes perfectly it might be a bit less, but from my experience I wouldn't count on everything going perfectly. Not as cheap as I'd originally hoped, but still much less than people are charging for dilaudid with all those fillers here.
I still do want to sell morphine for ~200/g and plan to down the road, but I just can't sell hydromorphone for that price because of the expense of producing it.
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another update:
Found all the stuff I need, but unfortunately some of it has to come from Austria. I'm told to expect that around the 24th, so now shooting for it to be done by Feb first.
Would samples for berry, anonymousaddict, habberdasher, and technopium be enough for me to establish the quality of my product or would I need to spread them out more?
Also if anyone wouldn't mind PMing me some tips for packaging I'd appreciate it so I can buy that stuff now too- I've never sold anything over the internet.
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I once saw a listing for a bottle of Acetic Anhydrade for sale on the road. I do not know the validity of said item at the time, however people actually cook up MSulfate pills into stove-top heroin in a spoon with small amounts of it. Pure morphine would sell for sure. There are people out there who have the ability to convert it to H. This is probably why it hasn't shown up as a vendor with sufficient connections to supply such a listing, would definitely benefit more by cooking into H before selling it considering the LE conviction is the exact same charge for H vs Morph.
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i would love to sample your products as well, and can also help you with shipping security if youd like, just shoot me a pm :)
thanks!!
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Id be willing to review your product,
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another update:
Found all the stuff I need, but unfortunately some of it has to come from Austria. I'm told to expect that around the 24th, so now shooting for it to be done by Feb first.
Would samples for berry, anonymousaddict, habberdasher, and technopium be enough for me to establish the quality of my product or would I need to spread them out more?
Also if anyone wouldn't mind PMing me some tips for packaging I'd appreciate it so I can buy that stuff now too- I've never sold anything over the internet.
February to have some Hydro powder would be Awesome! ;)
For shipping- think 'business letter'. It would be inconspicuous and easily mailed from just about anywhere. There are some GREAT tips on stealth packaging and I think it is in the "Shipping" section. Take a look in there. The post was titled "New Vendor Packaging" and had a TON of great info.
I found it, here is the link:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=94730.0
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Hey there, I am glad you kept me in mind.
I would love a sample. What is the quantity of it going to be if you don't mind?
I will be able to write a thorough review for you and start up your feedback thread if I'm the first to get your product!
Me and maybe some friends are also VERY VERY interested in oxymorphone powder that you mentioned, more-so than anything else. Also oxycodone if that is ever a possibility. But Oxymorphone is SO hard to use recreationally with the new ER waxy formula, so it's so rare to get now.
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I appreciate all the offers of people volunteering to be reviewers and I'll keep all of you in mind, but I don't want to promise too many free samples until I see for sure what my yields end up being.
The reason for this is I don't want my free samples to be smaller than 50 mg each since that way reviewers can start small and work up to larger doses as well as making it so I can be confident enough in the margin of error on the weight that people can just add water directly to the product and dose based on volume rather than counting on a mg scale. I also need to make enough off this first batch to buy some of the base materials for a second, larger batch.
What I'll most likely do is give out a few completely free samples and also have an introductory listing of 50 mg for 40-50 dollars (rather than charging a premium for the small quantity) so that people can try it without committing a couple hundred bucks to 250 mg.
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Getting a bit bored waiting for the last couple things I need to start production, so I'm looking more into oxymorphone synths (I still don't plan on starting to make oxymorphone until after I've made a batch or two of hydro, just looking into what's involved) while I wait. Cost is definitely an issue on these. Anyone have a ballpark of what you would pay for pure IV-able oxymorphone?
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Hydromorphone or Oxymorphone would be great, especially pure powder.
I've bought some Dilaudid recently on SR, but dont like IV'ing pills really.
So proper powder would be awesome.
I wouldn't think you could charge an awful lot more for Oxy than Hydro morphone.
Maybe a tiny bit.
I would be more than happy to test a sample and give you a detailed review. I would also be able to compare against the dilaudid I have now as well. I have some Opana (oxymorphone) coming shortly too).
Anyway, cant wait!! :)
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This is my first SR post, but I cannot hold back. Having a small but decent quantity of Acetic Anhydride I have been holding onto for some time. I may be interested in some Morphine Base, the problem would be the Codeine impurities. They are (part) of what fucks up the BTH and other crap generally available in the US. But I believe when one goes towards a true #4 they are (arduously) removed from the final HCl. I cannot believe what Hydromorphone goes for on the street, no wonder my Doc. was nervous about scripting the stuff. $3/for 150 4 mG tabs, and btw they are very easy to make into an injectable and sterile solution using distilled water and 0.22u syringe filters, only thing that comes through is the Lactose. Now Oxymorphone is almost as good as good #4 H...
Will be monitoring this thread
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Fuck yes I would totally buy it, powder or liquid form whatever please do start offering it. Have listings like how they do with alp powder like 100mg 1/4 gram and so on.
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Bit of a different topic, but I don't want to start a new thread here until I get my vendor account.
I was looking at the LSA section and noticed the only product was some seeds. Would there be an interest in pure LSA powder or a tincture of pure LSA in peppermint oil? The price would be in the ballpark of 5 bucks a dose.
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Just another update on the hydromorphone:
I was hoping to surprise everyone and have it ready early, but there was a bit of a mishap today that's going to set me back and I am extremely low on funds. Still shooting for having the free samples out and the sample listing up for anyone interested by Feb 1, but I'm not going to half ass this so if I can't figure out a way to get everything set by then it could be slightly later. I'll update you guys again as soon as I can tell you more.
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i think you would sell out as fast as you could stock it....IMO
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I agree!!! by then if u have the goods, i'll have my grand im waiting on and i'll buy the hell out of some hydromophone
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got everything I need, so I'm starting production today. I'll be back in 5ish to say whether it was a success. It may be a week or two until I have the spare money for a vendor account, but rest assured if everything goes well you'll be seeing my listing soon
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I am still down to test the hydromorphone..
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I am still down to test the hydromorphone..
Happy to hear it. I still plan on you being one of the four people that get a free sample, but I don't think I'm allowed to distribute anything, even for free, until I have the vendor account. If that's not true then I could put out free samples sooner so there are reviews waiting when I get the vendor account, but I'd need someone who knows the rules better than me to clarify.
I did a test today to make sure everything in my setup would work (just used everything but the expensive base material) and had no issues come up at all, so it's all good to go. It takes about 2.5 days to finish because of all the refluxing, but you'll know for sure whether it worked or not (with some pictures if it did) by the end of the week.
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My apologies to everyone who has been patiently waiting for this. I made multiple attempts and first had problems with the yield, then when I worked out the yield the quality really was not up to snuff. I would like to try again in the future, but for the time being I don't have the funds to make a setup that it looks like I'll need to both get the quality and yield I'm after. I'll be looking into perusing other, simpler methods of making money on this site before I return to this.
Thanks everyone for the feedback anyway.
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This topic will always be here. If you ever take this up again post here or PM me personally.