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Discussion => Drug safety => Topic started by: mitmanji69 on December 12, 2012, 03:21 am
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Good Evening road,
I first want to say that my life has been changed for the better by discovering this site. I've done MDMA about 5 times (spaced out at least 1 month a apart) and I feel like it has brought insight into my life for the better. The only other drugs I have done are MJ, alcohol, and Ritalin (prescribed)
Anyway, I have a bunch of EDM shows/ raves coming up and I really want to be fucked up for them. The thing is I feel like I am already doing MDMA too much and was wondering if you guys or girls could recommend an alternative to MDMA so that I don't over do it. I've heard some talk of doing LSD at raves but I have never tried LSD before and heard its not a good idea for your first time to be in a club.
Looking forward to hearing from you :)
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The other drug that was big in the raves that I've been too was ketamine - but I never tried it so I don't know much about its effects.
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I don't rate K for raves, you look like a knob and you'd get just as much out of it at home - actually more as you can comfortably K-Hole.
Stick with the MDMA, but add a little 2CB after you peak. LSD can be great but if you've not tried it before it's better to have a good trip in a more relaxed environment as a first time, taking a little to party won't be as good.
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5-MeO-MiPT
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Small bumps of Ketamine throughout the night is great for being "fucked up" at shows.
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Would NOT recommend taking LSD for the first time at a rave. I would do it at least 2-3 times at home before ever going public with it, you want to know how to handle yourself and what kind of experiences to expect in a stimulus free environment. Once you add insanely loud music and flashing lights your could be in for something you're not really comfortable with, also faces can look really strange and discomforting on L.
Also fuck doing k at raves, if I do take it I kitty flip and even then it just takes away from the M. I honestly really like coke just because it supplements with alcohol really well and I find the high to be really controllable in groups of people. Just buy a little metal snuffer and bring it with you.
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Small bumps of Ketamine throughout the night is great for being "fucked up" at shows.
agreed, but you need to be careful with this. the girl i was with at a show got kicked out because she was on a bunch of k and security thought she was drunk, so i had to walk/carry her out and wait until the end of the show, which luckily was only 15 minutes. 2c-b is quit fun for show though. as for LSD, it really depends on you if you can handle it at a show or not. the first time i did LSD was at a underground nature party in israel, it was an amazing experience, but is not for everyone.
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The potent K from SR can definitely have a fine line between the right amount and too much. I too have seen a few people get carried out because of too much K, but usually this is due to not knowing your dose/potency. Once you can nail that down, you're good to go.
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Things which are like MDMA but aren't: Methylone, Mephedrone, 4-FA, 4-MEC
Things which are like MDMA but also trippy: MDA, 6-APB, 2C-B, 2C-D (so I hear), 2C-G-NBOMe (so I hear), and 2C-I-NBOMe and 4-AcO-DMT to some extents.
Things which are also fun at raves: Shrooms, LSD, Ketamine, MXE, Amphetamine, Ethylphenidate, GHB. And meth and coke I guess, but I don't really advocate their use.
But really you're fine taking MDMA once a month. Hell, the once a month thing is really overstated. If you are taking reasonable doses and waiting 2 weeks between uses you're not looking at serotonin depletion snowballing or anything. Hell, the neurotoxicity concerns are mostly unfounded (and are based on MDA's neurotoxicity).
If you really fear neurotoxicity, try 4-FA - it's been proven to be non-neurotoxic, and it drains much less serotonin so it can be taken more regularly. It's speedier compared to MDMA.
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I had my first lsd trip on a party and had a great time, but I can understand why people would advise against tripping for the first time on a party.
But 2CB is amazing for partying, in my opinion it's much much better for partying than mdma. especially high doses >50mg :o
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I had my first lsd trip on a party and had a great time, but I can understand why people would advise against tripping for the first time on a party.
But 2CB is amazing for partying, in my opinion it's much much better for partying than mdma. especially high doses >50mg :o
+1 to 2C-B, but I would never take over 50mg... I like 30mg tops. You intimidate me, sir.
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I had my first lsd trip on a party and had a great time, but I can understand why people would advise against tripping for the first time on a party.
But 2CB is amazing for partying, in my opinion it's much much better for partying than mdma. especially high doses >50mg :o
+1 to 2C-B, but I would never take over 50mg... I like 30mg tops. You intimidate me, sir.
I don't do drugs very often, but if I do I know no moderation :D My gf tried 2cb for the first time a month ago and I wanted to be safe and made her 30 mg cap. But as soon as she found out I made 80mg for myself she demanded at least 60mg :D Quite a lot for the first time, but she said that it was one of the best drug related experiences ;D we had a great time
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Just make sure you are mentally prepared and have a GOOD friend with you who is not tripping balls and won't fuck with you.
this is why many people say not to do it at a rave. this thing with being mentally prepared to do LSD, is it is a very true thing. when you are at a rave, some people can't handle all of the stimulus, mass amounts of people, and all around craziness that is going on. plus, they aren't actually ready to try LSD and face all their true self. like i said, the first time i did LSD was at a rave, but it is not for everyone. i was in the right time at the right place and was given the opportunity to try it.
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2c-b and LSD all the way
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So 2-CB is really that good?
I've never tried it...so it would be good to have after being out on mdma most of the night? :D
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So 2-CB is really that good?
I've never tried it...so it would be good to have after being out on mdma most of the night? :D
I highly recommend taking a smaller dose of MDMA (say, 150mg) and then taking a strong dose of 2C-B (say, 20-30mg) a few hours later. Don't be "out on mdma most of the night," because you'll just feel fried and sick by the time you take the 2C-B!
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2C-B, 5-MeO-MIPT, Mescaline (San Pedro / Peruvian Torch cactus)
Please do Ketamine at home, properly, lying down, IM 100mg - 200mg. Taking it at a party is just stupid IMHO and is a waste of a profound substance. And if you do more than you can handle while functioning you're going to look like a dick and potentially hurt yourself....
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MDA, GHB, 6-APB, Mephedrone, 2C-B, Methylone
I wouldn't recommend cocaine, but that's just me; I prefer a much different setting to enjoy cocaine in ;) If you do decide to do it, make sure you sneak in a bullet
I have friends that like to get stoned before shows, I never understood that...
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+1 for everyone in this thread, just because I enjoyed it and found it informative. 8)
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Things which are like MDMA but aren't: Methylone, Mephedrone, 4-FA, 4-MEC
Things which are like MDMA but also trippy: MDA, 6-APB, 2C-B, 2C-D (so I hear), 2C-G-NBOMe (so I hear), and 2C-I-NBOMe and 4-AcO-DMT to some extents.
Things which are also fun at raves: Shrooms, LSD, Ketamine, MXE, Amphetamine, Ethylphenidate, GHB. And meth and coke I guess, but I don't really advocate their use.
But really you're fine taking MDMA once a month. Hell, the once a month thing is really overstated. If you are taking reasonable doses and waiting 2 weeks between uses you're not looking at serotonin depletion snowballing or anything. Hell, the neurotoxicity concerns are mostly unfounded (and are based on MDA's neurotoxicity).
If you really fear neurotoxicity, try 4-FA - it's been proven to be non-neurotoxic, and it drains much less serotonin so it can be taken more regularly. It's speedier compared to MDMA.
Excellent feed back, I agree. Thanks for the reminder of the good times :)
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I too can recommend various combinations of LSD, MDMA & 2C-B
LSD + 2C-B = soooo pretty!
My plans for NYE... LSD + 2C-B for fireworks... then depending on energy levels, maybe a chaser of mdma on the way to the club :)
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I wouldnt do psychedelics at a rave personally, i prefer something sociable and euphoric. But thats just me. I'm in a similar situation I need to back off the mdma for a while, I'm not sure about methlyone? I hear it works on serotonin too so would not help out someone trying to mix up from MDMA for a while? Personally I think I'm gonna go down the coke + alcohol route for a month before getting back on the MDMA, as I like to keep sociable at raves, I dont really wanna just trip out its about meeting and chatting to people for me too. But each to their own.
Although I hear K can be good in low doses at raves, I've tried it but not at a rave. Its kind of a drug with 2 sides, you can use it as a party drug taking 50mg every 30 mins or so and be fucked up but functioning or you can do 200mg and end up in a K-hole, 2 very different drug experiences in one substance really...
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- Small bumps of K
- 2C-B
- 25i-NBOMe
- 25c-NBOMe
- LSD
- Mephedrone
- Coke
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- Small bumps of K
- 2C-B
- 25i-NBOMe
- 25c-NBOMe
- LSD
- Mephedrone
- Coke
do you mean a combo of all those drugs? if so, that doesn't sound like a good idea..
for rave festivals, i prefer combos of mdma, 2cb, lsd, and ketamine (maybe some ghb) like other users said before. these substances work great when combined!! but dont add speed, coke or other stimulant to that combo - it will destroy the great feeling at all!
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- Small bumps of K
- 2C-B
- 25i-NBOMe
- 25c-NBOMe
- LSD
- Mephedrone
- coke
- Adderall
do you mean a combo of all those drugs? if so, that doesn't sound like a good idea..
for rave festivals, i prefer combos of mdma, 2cb, lsd, and ketamine (maybe some ghb) like other users said before. these substances work great when combined!! but dont add speed, coke or other stimulant to that combo - it will destroy the great feeling at all!
Of course not. Any of them by themselves are nice for raves. My faves being 25i, 25c, MDMA, and 2C-B, although I have combined 25c + MDMA + 2C-B with quite beautiful results at a festival. I really don't understand why people mix coke + MDMA.
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- Small bumps of K
- 2C-B
- 25i-NBOMe
- 25c-NBOMe
- LSD
- Mephedrone
- coke
- Adderall
do you mean a combo of all those drugs? if so, that doesn't sound like a good idea..
for rave festivals, i prefer combos of mdma, 2cb, lsd, and ketamine (maybe some ghb) like other users said before. these substances work great when combined!! but dont add speed, coke or other stimulant to that combo - it will destroy the great feeling at all!
Of course not. Any of them by themselves are nice for raves. My faves being 25i, 25c, MDMA, and 2C-B, although I have combined 25c + MDMA + 2C-B with quite beautiful results at a festival. I really don't understand why people mix coke + MDMA.
^^ ah okay.. i havent tried 25i or 25c until now, but maybe soon. " I really don't understand why people mix coke + MDMA." me too, i did it myself a couple of times (don't ask me why) and it was one of the worst combos/nights i had so far. maybe you could take some coke during the comedown, but theres better stuff for that matter:)
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MDMA on a weekly basis will take a toll slowly, not dramatically but you should take breaks if you've been rolling a lot.
I personally like 2C-I, ~16mg range its only mildly psychedelic at that range, and it's very stimulating for a good 4-5 hrs. I get varied euphoria on it.
2C-B works for a lot of people too, I don't get anything from it, if anything it makes me very introverted.
K would work if you keep it to small bumps and space it out through the night so you're not too fucked up.
LSD if you are good about handling your shit on it. I find it very euphoric and mildly stimulating but I can't hold a conversation on it without looking/sounding very obviously fucked up. Some people can though.
Coke/Meth -- I'd personally go with meth, one line before the party is enough to carry you all night and keep you euphoric and upbeat. Coke is the same but you need to keep redosing it to stay in a mood. Riskier since you have to keep it on you at the event and redose throughout the night. Depending on the venue/security this can be more risky than it's worth. In that sense, meth is tons better if you don't mind the fact you'll be up somewhat late.
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Stay away from all the RC's!!!
Hulk
Your opinion carries more weight if you actually back it up with an explanation or facts or experiences. Do this or don't do that is quite useless.
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acid ketamine ghb and shrooms are all fun at raves, ketamine is the least fun lsd is the most
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I wouldnt do psychedelics at a rave personally, i prefer something sociable and euphoric. But thats just me. I'm in a similar situation I need to back off the mdma for a while, I'm not sure about methlyone? I hear it works on serotonin too so would not help out someone trying to mix up from MDMA for a while? Personally I think I'm gonna go down the coke + alcohol route for a month before getting back on the MDMA, as I like to keep sociable at raves, I dont really wanna just trip out its about meeting and chatting to people for me too. But each to their own.
Although I hear K can be good in low doses at raves, I've tried it but not at a rave. Its kind of a drug with 2 sides, you can use it as a party drug taking 50mg every 30 mins or so and be fucked up but functioning or you can do 200mg and end up in a K-hole, 2 very different drug experiences in one substance really...
Interesting... I find LSD euphoric most trips, especially in the right environment... like a rave/club.
LSD is what you make it... I find I am very sociable on it when I want to be... I only struggle to form sentences when on higher doses or when trying to communicate a specific idea that has been generated from the trip... normal conversation flows better than normal for me, generally.
Of course if you go on an introspective trip, then communication isn't the best.
The way LSD enhances the music, giving you some awesome visuals... combining with some of the other drugs mentioned just makes it an awesome time.
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Don't post this bullshit to someone who is obviously inexperienced.
YES, serotonin depletion is overstated but most people that use this drug (that i know)___binge the fuck out of it when they do____ and the length of the roll and excess stimulation of the receptors when depelted are what (i think?) causes the neurotoxicity. <--might be wrong
Everyones body is different I know people that roll all the fucking time non stop for years and are fine and I know a lot more etards. Some of the etards pre post load better than the ones that show no signs.
The proper advice is to be cautious and use the drug SPARINGLY for SPECIAL experiences to be safe. Sure you could prob use it once a week or every other week if you do it right but why risk it? Its your life.
Anyways M1 is a good option if your tolerance is lower, very similar to mdma and less neurotoxic. Its more like Coke sorta. Generally, analogs tend to be safer because of lower potency and shorter durations. I dont say this for all, I say this from my limited experience with MDA and MDMA analogs.
2cb mdma mda m1 ghb are good for clubs. Ket too. I have never done Ket though but have heard about it from friends.
Recommending an RC (namely, methylone) as a safe(r) alternative to MDMA is absolutely absurd. The idea that cathinones are safer is mostly conjecture, as is the idea that lower serotonin action and more dopamine action is safer. (Overactive dopamine receptors are the cause of psychosis, in fact.) Plus, if you listened to me, I said reasonable doses every 2 weeks... perhaps I should have been more specific? A reasonable dose is under 300mg. (And at higher doses, a little more waiting might help.)
Lower potency and shorter duration have nothing to do with neurotoxicity. Coke lasts an hour tops, and it is quite neurotoxic when binged upon. And while methamphetamine is less potent than amphetamine (by mass, anyway), it's much more neurotoxic. Neurotoxicity comes from a lot of factors, not all of which are understood - but rest assured, it has much to do with the actual structure of the molecule. MDMA is simply not neurotoxic at normal recreational doses (though MDA is). It is in binging that people hurt themselves.
You have good intentions but to call what I said bullshit is really unnecessary.Stay with MDMA! It's the best drug ever for nice raves and parties. Don't drink alcohol at all! When You start coming down, you can start smoking weed. Every hit will bring you up again! Take 5-htp one week before the rave and of course after the rave for couple of days.
Stay away from all the RC's!!!
Hulk
Taking 5-htp before rolling will dull the roll and it increases the chances of serotonin syndrome. Save it for after.
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Things I've Done at a Rave:
LSD, 2c-e, 2c-b, 2c-i, 25i, DMT, K, mdxx, adderall (finals week rave whoa) and pills that were definatly cut with something, coke
What i would suggest:
-Candy Flip (LSDxMDMA),
-I love e pills so i usually like having that and dipping off a little,
-2c-b is a lot of fun (if your stomach is good, no indian prior to, no indian prior to any rave activity, fuck indian food and IBS)
-25i is fun, if your low key raving, I don't like taking a lot of it, it makes me weird and socially conscious, usually a tab of that im goofy having fun, not going crazy tho
- Really mdma is just the best, i had a pill cut mda and k once, it was awesome, ive never tried that again, but i think i would if it came about
Be safe, rage hard
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Stay with MDMA! It's the best drug ever for nice raves and parties. Don't drink alcohol at all! When You start coming down, you can start smoking weed. Every hit will bring you up again! Take 5-htp one week before the rave and of course after the rave for couple of days.
Stay away from all the RC's!!!
Hulk
do not take 5htp any timemnear rolling, before or after. Can cause seratonin syndrome
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Stay with MDMA! It's the best drug ever for nice raves and parties. Don't drink alcohol at all! When You start coming down, you can start smoking weed. Every hit will bring you up again! Take 5-htp one week before the rave and of course after the rave for couple of days.
Stay away from all the RC's!!!
Hulk
do not take 5htp any timemnear rolling, before or after. Can cause seratonin syndrome
Can you please provide a source for this claim? Everything I've ever read about 5-HTP is that you don't take it for the last few days (or at least the night) before and then you can immediately take 200-300mg after you've fully comedown to begin the serotonin restoration process.
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Stay with MDMA! It's the best drug ever for nice raves and parties. Don't drink alcohol at all! When You start coming down, you can start smoking weed. Every hit will bring you up again! Take 5-htp one week before the rave and of course after the rave for couple of days.
Stay away from all the RC's!!!
Hulk
do not take 5htp any timemnear rolling, before or after. Can cause seratonin syndrome
Can you please provide a source for this claim? Everything I've ever read about 5-HTP is that you don't take it for the last few days (or at least the night) before and then you can immediately take 200-300mg after you've fully comedown to begin the serotonin restoration process.
Go read Tryptamine's supplement threads... he had a lot to say on why he took 5-HTP out of his supplements.
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i don't ever recall planning to do LSD at a rave but I've done it cause the opportunity presented itself. MDA is awesome with the right music, mushrooms were always my favorite as they make everything sparkle a little
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I"m having my 1st 2CB trip as we speak. Was taking speed from last nite, hadnt dose up in quite a while so i dropped a 20mg CB pill.
Takes a while to come up. I found it lame tbh.
Then i smoked a joint and the visuals started, so beautifull weird glowy pulsating round all.
Then i decided to put some music. A liveset from partyraiser imc , i hou van hard ;-)
en sindsdien beeeuh.... af de wereld ineens. intense visuals, bv -> tewijl ik typ worden men vingers verlicht door helicopterlicht
needless to say i'm FUCKED UP :D
2CB + WEED = awesome
2CB + WEED + intense music = INSANE
Just do it lol
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I"m having my 1st 2CB trip as we speak. Was taking speed from last nite, hadnt dose up in quite a while so i dropped a 20mg CB pill.
Takes a while to come up. I found it lame tbh.
Then i smoked a joint and the visuals started, so beautifull weird glowy pulsating round all.
Then i decided to put some music. A liveset from partyraiser imc , i hou van hard ;-)
en sindsdien beeeuh.... af de wereld ineens. intense visuals, bv -> tewijl ik typ worden men vingers verlicht door helicopterlicht
needless to say i'm FUCKED UP :D
2CB + WEED = awesome
2CB + WEED + intense music = INSANE
Just do it lol
possible cross tolerance from something else? try 25mg next time maybe.
Im not exp with 2c at all but this is not similar to most reports ive read
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Try doubledropping or even tripple dropping xtc pills while high on LSD.
Candy flipping gets you wrecked. Its amazing.
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But as far as dropping it there as your first time, I wouldn't worry too much. Just make sure you are mentally prepared and have a GOOD friend with you who is not tripping balls and won't fuck with you.
Very good advice IMO. Make sure you feel comfortable is the main key in my eyes.
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go to the psycadelics "department" and choose your poison...
2cb is nice
lsd and shrooms you must already know
dmt is really nice too
coke is .. well... coke.. xD
sh!t just google a litle, and it there isn't in the net and in SR probably you will never see it or it doesnt exists....
best rave drug by far: WOMAN!