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Title: Should I try Heroin?
Post by: SRTRAVLER on November 06, 2011, 05:09 pm
Ive always been curious about it.  Now I have access to it via silk road.  Is it even worth the experience?  Is it too risky with the addiction thing? I dont want to become a junkie, I alrdy smoke too much weed ;)
Title: Re: Should I try Heroin?
Post by: rusty on November 06, 2011, 05:21 pm
I was once hooked on hydrocodone and was also curious about H but never tried it. I have a lot of respect for the power of opiates and its accompanying addictiveness and worse, its withdrawals. So, I'm just giving H a try and then cutting it loose. I did the same thing recently with crystal meth. Gave it a try and then put it away.
Title: Re: Should I try Heroin?
Post by: SpanishFly on November 06, 2011, 05:21 pm
I've thought the same as you, I think it depends on how mature you are and are able try it once and that's it. Also when you try, make sure you're with somebody.

Maybe some of the h users could give their point of view
Title: Re: Should I try Heroin?
Post by: sickboy on November 06, 2011, 09:39 pm
You shoud really think twice before tringH. You WILL try it again. And again.
Title: Re: Should I try Heroin?
Post by: towelie on November 06, 2011, 09:45 pm
zi second what  Sickboy said.  my recommendation would be to stay away.
 I was an Oxy user who got turned on to tar and once I had a taste I didn't go back to pills. 7 months of living in a dream then a quick turn to hell.
Title: Re: Should I try Heroin?
Post by: atlas on November 06, 2011, 10:05 pm
Do you do any drugs OP? (Other than smoking weed  ::))
Title: Re: Should I try Heroin?
Post by: wanderer on November 06, 2011, 10:49 pm
As  far as I see is this is a non-judgemental zone... So do what makes you happy.

I personally wouldn't though.

I was on oxy and tramadol for about a month straight (I had critical bone damage from a high-impact collision)... The only time I could ever just fall asleep on a whim... It usually takes me hours to get to sleep. I was taking more than I should have, just because I could.

If you want to be half-dead all the time and completely unproductive - go ahead. Some people like that.
Title: Re: Should I try Heroin?
Post by: SRTRAVLER on November 07, 2011, 08:41 am
Do you do any drugs OP? (Other than smoking weed  ::))

I like to take LSD twice a month and MDMA once in a while.  Ive tried meth, and coke but I dont wanna do those again.  Tried a few RCs and many opiates such as oxycodone/cotin, and lolos.   I love mescaline.  I do that once a month to once every three months. 

So ive been around, but never tried H.  I wonder, does it feel like MDMA or just like oxycodone?
Title: Re: Should I try Heroin?
Post by: microRNA on November 07, 2011, 09:43 am
First off, as a daily user for years now... if you are not already using opiates it is really best just consider them outside the realm of SAFE recreational use. They are the most intensely addictive substances and I have tried basically all classes of addictive chemicals. If you are going to use opiates, DO NOT IV them.

That being said, unless you IV the heroin, it is remarkably similar to the prescription opiates except it has a shorter half-life so it doesnt last as long. I know from experience honestly. I actually never had access to H until SR... so I obviously acquired some and was incredibly excited just to try it. Well, talk about disappointing! Each bag had waaayyy less in it than I expected, and the powder was NO where near as strong as I expected it to be, and this was from the most reputable vendor on SR. It was incredibly overpriced and this is from someone who pays 1 dollar per mg of oxy... The problem with H is that there is no quality control and you can never be sure of what you are going to receive even if you do get your order, or how much of it you will need to achieve desired effects without taking that long dirt nap.

In my opinion, and the opinion of the H vendor who recommend this to me, is that you should stick to the pharms if you are interested in opiates. The benefit is you know exactly what you are paying for, and that the dose is regulated so you know how much you need to get where you want to be... The reason some people would chose H over pharms is because it is generally much cheaper, but not here on SR with the current reliable vendors.

Basically, there will be minor subjective differences but it is not worth the risk for H. Morphine can provide the same relaxed type of high that H provides (as H is metabolized into morphine) but you will not achieve the same intensity of the rush because it cannot cross the blood brain barrier as quickly as H. Oxy is slightly more stimulating than morphine, but both provide a decent amount of euphoria. IF you are really wanting to know what H is like, then oxymorphone (snorted, as oral bioavailability is only 10%) will give you a really good idea. Oxymorphone is one of the most potent opiates I have ever tried, and in my opinion is completely superior to street H (the only thing I would choose over it is pharma grade diamorphine, aka H, since it is so rare). Just be incredibly careful with oxymorphone as it is VERY easy to overdose on; an opiate intolerant person probably could feel 1-2 mg and should not attempt to take more than 5 mg to be safe. Also, absolutely NO ALCOHOL, which can cause overdose, and avoid re-dosing quickly because it can take around 30+ minutes to kick in completely.

Just so you are aware, MDMA is in no way comparable to heroin, except for feeling content even if you really shouldnt be.
Always remember to motto with opiates. You can always take more, but you can never go back and take less. Have fun but Stay safe!
Title: Re: Should I try Heroin?
Post by: 1as3df4gh on November 07, 2011, 11:14 am
Just off the top of my head, I would say that NOT trying heroin is probably the best course of action my friend. It is lovely, beyond lovely, and with an easily accessible supply like here it could EASILY escalate into a problem.
Title: Re: Should I try Heroin?
Post by: sharetheroad on November 07, 2011, 03:02 pm
I've smoked H a handful of times, and my friend (I have no idea where he is now, btw) convinced me to IV it. That was it for me. The intensity of the rush was like being shot out of a cannon into the strats and then floating back down to earth on a cloud of titties.

I really questioned what the fuck I was doing after that and haven't used any opiates since. Well, I take that back, I had a script for 15 10/500 perc's when I had oral surgery a couple years ago .. but I ended up throwing some of them away once I didn't need them.

I know some people aren't so able to walk away from addictive substances - if you're one of those people I would highly suggest you NOT try H.
Title: Re: Should I try Heroin?
Post by: GaltRR on November 07, 2011, 04:09 pm
     You should do some research, opiates are one of if not the most addictive substances your body can get. Read some research papers, understand the physiology of it and I dont think you will ever want to do it.  I was in a drug dependency research lab during my undergrad and we studied cocaine and opiates in rats and in a lot of the animal studies you will have dependance after one administration. The scariest part of this drug is that you do not become addicted but you become dependent. Your brain stops producing chemicals like endorphins and natural opiates when you use. It is not something like cocaine where you can just stop. You have to have the drug.
     I dont believe its one of those drugs that you can say you will only do once until you do it. The rush and the way it makes you feel is something you can not prepare for.  I cant imagine the cravings, as I have never done it. I dabbled in cocaine for a short period and that was enough for me on the addictive substances list. But with all drugs if you do decide to do it, be safe and understand the drug and the potential issues that revolve around it. I for one am terrified of this drug not because it is bad but because it is so good.
Title: Re: Should I try Heroin?
Post by: atlas on November 07, 2011, 05:17 pm
You might want to watch Trainspotting and Requiem for a Dream.

This might (and probably will) change your mind on the subject of H
Title: Re: Should I try Heroin?
Post by: Addy on November 07, 2011, 11:56 pm
You might want to watch Trainspotting and Requiem for a Dream.

This might (and probably will) change your mind on the subject of H
I saw them both for the first time over the last month, and I absolutely loved 'em. Especially Requiem.

Anyway TRAV, it's impossible to say how you'll react to using heroin. More likely than not, you'll want to get more, and more... it's an expensive habit, and I've seen too many people lose a lot when consumed by the drug. One of my friends is in jail for a few years and another threatened to kill me for 100 bucks, but we're cool now. On the other hand, I personally feel a far stronger compulsion for weed and other substances than I do for heroin. If I were to never do it again, I wouldn't consider it a big loss.

I would recommend holding off for now, and deciding later. Maybe try taking a percocet first and decide after that?
Title: Re: Should I try Heroin?
Post by: gumby on November 08, 2011, 01:51 am
Unless you're terminally ill don't need it! I never will
Title: Re: Should I try Heroin?
Post by: ProudCannabian on November 08, 2011, 03:18 am
I decided a few years back to experiment a little.
I grew my own poppies and harvested raw opium, which I would smoke in joints with some MJ.
VERY floaty, and relaxing.  I literally poured myself into a chair and didn't move for a long while after my first time.
I figured, I didn't know any dealers, and the homegrown was of VERY limited supply.  This forced my to only use for a few short weeks a year.
It was fun, but I decided one night to make laudanum by dropping all my pods into some vodka.
It was a frightening and dangerous experience.
The look on my wife's face said it all, and I haven't touched it since.

My opinion is if you try it, only use a little, smoke it, and then stop.  Then get some LSD or another hallucinogen with an introspective element and dose that a few days after the H to put it all into perspective.
Title: Re: Should I try Heroin?
Post by: SRTRAVLER on November 08, 2011, 12:32 pm
After reading your responses and talking to quite a few people about this, I have decided to hold off on trying H.  But.........Opium?  I definitely want to try opium.  Is the feeling just like heroin? just as addictive? just as dangerous?
Title: Re: Should I try Heroin?
Post by: ProudCannabian on November 08, 2011, 09:31 pm
I never tried H before.  There is not much of a rush with O, it seemed veeery relaxing.
I went for a walk to a crowded market and everything seemed to be going in slo-mo.  I was with a friend and we realized that we were walking with HUGE steps, like those detectives in cartoons, sneaking around corners.  We ran into my friends mother and she gave us some market bread, but when we got home the bread was gone.  We have no idea where we left it. lol.

Addictiveness was not as bad as my tobacco cravings, even after 10 years of little to no tobacco use.  As I said though, I had limited supply, so there was little chance of my getting "hooked."
I've also had opiated hash, and that I could not put that down until all 7g were gone, though I'm a frikken pot pig anyhow.
Title: Re: Should I try Heroin?
Post by: sickboy on November 08, 2011, 10:03 pm
After reading your responses and talking to quite a few people about this, I have decided to hold off on trying H.  But.........Opium?  I definitely want to try opium.  Is the feeling just like heroin? just as addictive? just as dangerous?

Opium is absolutely nothing even in the same universe as Heroin. You cannot compare them in anyway at all. Nothing in the world is as dangerous as Heroin.
I see nothing dangerous with trying Opium though. More than likely, you will not even get high from it. It is typically disapointing whenever I have seen it.
Title: Re: Should I try Heroin?
Post by: biscuit on November 08, 2011, 10:15 pm
most of my friends from the late teens into the 20's tried heroin and promptly afterwards became hopless junkies

I never became a junkie, yet I was doing heroin with them when they were starting out, is it something in my anatomy that wouldn't allow me to become addicted?

Is my soul stuff stronger? I dont get it, just glad I didnt turn into a heroin junkie
Title: Re: Should I try Heroin?
Post by: microRNA on November 09, 2011, 08:33 am
I would agree that opium can be used with relative safety for experimentation. I would actually recommend it as one of the natural entheogenic products from the earth that people should try. If you can find real, and high quality opium, it produces a wonderful, very relaxing and euphoric dream like state for the opiate intolerant... but like any opiate too much can be dangerous, because it is literally smoking morphine, codeine and a number of other psychoactive alkaloids.

Biscuit, everyone's brain chemistry is remarkably unique. There are a number of tiny mutations in different receptors and second messenger pathways within neurons that can impact the susceptibility of an individual to a particular substance. Some people are resistant to the addictive properties of some drugs but could find others extremely addictive. Other people, with more direct susceptibilities to areas of the brain including the ventral tegmental area and the nucleus accumbens, which are the main dopamine circuits involved in pleasure and reward, can be inherently more likely to become addicted to any substance.

Plus your soul is stronger. Because even resistant individuals would surely become addicted if they let themselves do it too much...
Title: Re: Should I try Heroin?
Post by: anchientlib on November 10, 2011, 07:54 am
What do you think?     No,absolutely not. 


You know I have noticed other addicts seem to feel no shame turning people on to a new habit, especially men who think they might be able to *** a pretty girl if they get her high on smack. 

That has got to be the most shameful, twisted person that feels justified getting another person hooked on something that is definitely going to wreck their lives. 

All of a sudden a girl with a perfectly flawless body is all marked up with scars and her beautiful silky hair is now ratty and dry, and although she had a chance for a good life, they have now robbed her of it.  But, hey they have someone to feel miserable with now, so who gives a shit right.  WRONG, SO F'N WRONG.  DO NOT DO IT.  YOU ARE NOT MISSING ANYTHING.  Besides we WILL miss you. 
Title: Re: Should I try Heroin?
Post by: Vivalasvegas on November 10, 2011, 11:26 pm
My last post was takin' the piss. Seriously it's your life, so do what ya want.

Everyone knows what H can do to you, so I personally wouldn't go there. Fuck, I think one addiction to meth is bad enough. I don't like downers though so u know. Each to there own.

Like any drug dependency if you cant afford it, don't do it and don't turn into a cunt to feed your habit. Use your head, keep some braincells and stay safe.

I loved the last line from ABC123nuthin (beginning, LIKE ANY DRUG DEPENDENCY. They should title a book....Abusing Drugs or Enjoying them by ABC123....then the last line of your post should be the only words printed inside:)
Title: Re: Should I try Heroin?
Post by: jerryskid on November 11, 2011, 12:34 am
No.
If you are one of the people that have a predisposition to opiate addiction it will be one of the worst things you will do, in the long run. Short run you will love the hell out of it. Hang on for a whirlwind of destruction, eventually.
Best of luck whatever you choose.
Title: Re: Should I try Heroin?
Post by: anchientlib on November 11, 2011, 05:58 am
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It's not the things in life you do that you regret it's the things in life that you didn't----unless it's heroin!


The worst part about using is the immediate disrespect that people have for you if they become aware you are using.  You can be doing everything right by people, but if they find out they judge you and you cannot get it back.  Even my own family members, now that they have quit using drugs, treat me like I have leprosy. 

I understand the reasons other people do it is the stereotype of drug addicts, but there is no excuse for family. 
Title: Re: Should I try Heroin?
Post by: mito on November 11, 2011, 01:30 pm
Is oxymorphone sold in SR?     Couldn't find it under opiates.


Title: Re: Should I try Heroin?
Post by: anchientlib on November 11, 2011, 07:13 pm
I totally missed the post where you said you changed your mind, good for you.  Yes, go with opium instead.  I always get jealous when I see the old westerns with the china men and women who welcomed customers in their opium dens with pipe in hand.  They help them take off their shoes and lay back and get comfortable as they hand you a bowl filled with opium.  yummmm!   :P
Title: Re: Should I try Heroin?
Post by: microRNA on November 12, 2011, 09:54 am
There is no smoke more delicious than opium... opiyummm

mito, if you are patient they appear. Last week there were two decent listings (one expensive one also for the IR that are easier to bang, not for me). I saw a listing today but its for nearly 2.5 dollars per mg for the ER which is taking advantage of people even for SR! Thats ridiculous and I will pay $1/mg for oxycodone. When PV had them they were about $1.5/mg and fairly common actually is to see about 2 per. You should be warned that it is absolutely just as addictive as H, and that it will make your tolerance SKYROCKET unbelievably fast. Opana is so rare and amazing I saved a couple to ensure I can enjoy it later, because a new non-crush formula is being developed like the OPs.
Title: Re: Should I try Heroin?
Post by: manticora on November 12, 2011, 04:42 pm
Don't do it, stick to pills. You'll regret it
Title: Re: Should I try Heroin?
Post by: SRTRAVLER on January 02, 2012, 06:19 am
 I just have this urge to just try it.  Not inject just sniff it.  I mean. I wont get addicted if i just try it right.  Its habitual use that creates an addiction. right? nucleos white h looks yummy, i dunno
Title: Re: Should I try Heroin?
Post by: Leech on January 02, 2012, 11:34 am
Have tried from eating real poppies, smoking Heroin to Opium. All gave similar feelings of emptiness and a numb mind. Except the Opium which added a different kind of euphoria.

Was never addicted to it though.

Title: Re: Should I try Heroin?
Post by: dunk on January 02, 2012, 05:58 pm
It's your life so if you want to fuck it up by becoming a heroin addict then go ahead. Not that you necessarily will become an addict but you might. I've made tea from poppy pods a few times and never developed an addiction and have no desire to do them again. Maybe it's because it's time consuming to make and tastes like shit but it never really did it for me so I had no trouble stopping. YMMV.
I see no difference between the various opiates, they are all addictive to some degree whether your drinking tea or shooting heroin so don't get the idea that some are safe.
Title: Re: Should I try Heroin?
Post by: E=daveC² on January 02, 2012, 08:21 pm
If you want to experience a good opiate pick up a couple Opana 10 IR from MrDdroMcGillacutty. Snort half of one and see how you feel. A whole pill should have you nodding and maybe puking if you have no tolerance. Don't take them orally because they are only %10 absorbed that way(it's %40 snorted and %100 IV). It's my favorite prescription opiate with Diluadid a close second. And they're both just about as good as H. Try them first then decide if H is worth the risk.

Nucleos's stuff is insanely strong and will kill you if you aren't careful. An experienced user here only needs 25 mg per shot which gives you an idea of the potency.
Title: Re: Should I try Heroin?
Post by: Holy Fyre on January 02, 2012, 08:38 pm
I have done heroin. I am one of the lucky people that doesn't like it that much. But I warn you that many people enjoy heroin to the point that it ruins their life.
Title: Re: Should I try Heroin?
Post by: SRTRAVLER on January 03, 2012, 01:19 am
10mg snorted is a good dose for a first time user with no tolerance?
Title: Re: Should I try Heroin?
Post by: lazym on January 03, 2012, 02:15 am
I would suggest against trying it - in particular trying very strong H for your first time.

Many people die from H.... wish I'd never tried it.

Title: Re: Should I try Heroin?
Post by: E=daveC² on January 03, 2012, 04:17 pm
10 mg should be safe even with the best H. Make sure to space out your use so you don't suffer withdrawal. Once you start getting sick without the drug, you're in trouble and will likely turn into a full blown addict doing whatever it takes to get your next fix.

I'm not sorry I tried H. I'm sorry I shared needles and got hep C. :(