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Discussion => Drug safety => Topic started by: Orinoko Flow on November 07, 2012, 09:01 pm
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Im not a fan of RC's, the problem for me is no-one really knows the long term effects of these chems, im not sure if there has beeen any studies.
I think it would be a good idea to post your experiences here good or bad here so people can get an idea of what there getting into before taking unknown substances...
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I took around 25mg of 2c-I, and the worst effect that I had was that I pooped out the entire contents of my bowels. I had diarrhea maybe three times over the course of the trip. I also had a really bad migraine after the experience. I don't know if this was because of the chemical itself, or the fact that I didn't eat or drink for several hours. I came down first, so I tried to get my still loopy friends to drink some Gatorade or eat food. They could barely eat or care about eating which really worried me. Luckily, everyone turned out to be fine in the end.
It was fun at some parts, but the excessive diarrhea that I experienced really turned me off from taking it. That and nobody ate or drank anything for a loooong time, I can't remember how long. My friends who took it with me didn't experience the same terrible side effects as me, oddly. They even wanted to try it again.
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diarrhea - probably you ate too much or the wrong food before tripping. headaches after 2cx's are pretty common, large doses will make them worse.
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I took around 25mg of 2c-I, and the worst effect that I had was that I pooped out the entire contents of my bowels. I had diarrhea maybe three times over the course of the trip. I also had a really bad migraine after the experience. I don't know if this was because of the chemical itself, or the fact that I didn't eat or drink for several hours. I came down first, so I tried to get my still loopy friends to drink some Gatorade or eat food. They could barely eat or care about eating which really worried me. Luckily, everyone turned out to be fine in the end.
It was fun at some parts, but the excessive diarrhea that I experienced really turned me off from taking it. That and nobody ate or drank anything for a loooong time, I can't remember how long. My friends who took it with me didn't experience the same terrible side effects as me, oddly. They even wanted to try it again.
You should probably stay away from 2Cs and the headache was likely from dehydration.
Personally I've never had a really bad experience on RCs except maybe a few shitty comedowns from pentedrone, pentylone and 4-MEC. I'm done with RC NDRIs but RC psychedelics are really fun. I've had really great times on 2C-P, MXE and 25i.
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diarrhea - probably you ate too much or the wrong food before tripping. headaches after 2cx's are pretty common, large doses will make them worse.
It's hard for me to think that it was because of what I ate. I don't remember eating more than I usually do, and I didn't eat anything unusual. This was also really abnormal diarrhea, it's too disgusting to describe, it basically felt like my body was trying to purge the 2c-I.
You should probably stay away from 2Cs and the headache was likely from dehydration.
No worries, I haven't tried any 2C chemicals since then.
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one time i threw up on 650ug of 25c. had a really confusing and stressful trip. weird cause i had taken it at least 5-6 times before and had good experiences on those
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my lady and i took 2 mg of 25i and the trip ended with her in the hospital with an extremely elevated heart rate. bad times all around. she could have easily died. i didn't experience any real negative effects, besides the fact that it felt like my visual cortex was frying... and it just doesn't feel good for my brain at all. why be a human guinea pig when all the best psychedelics already exist and have been used safely for ages? there have been a lot of adverse effects to 25i, including seizures and death. not worth the risk, in my opinion. always tread lightly when trying new chemicals.
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Drunkenly snorting 2cb was never fun, esp considering i eyeballed my dose and passed out because of the nasal pain.
not good.
also taking 25c on a whim and spending 8 hours locked in a dark place mentally sifting through my garbage, on my own in the middle of the night.
how you are on the day, the dose, the company your in (or lack of) and the setting are all important with psychedelics.
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All very good points lol. I myself have never had a particularly bad exp with 25i /25c , thats all ive tried as far as RCs. the headaches ive gotten , along with some explosive mudd butt, but i also believed it was drom dehydration and having had too full of a stomach to be tripping. over all id really like to see these RCs end up being more safe than not, because i certainly like dropping them, infact im getting some tabs from HardHustle along with a load of L as soon as the road is back in order ;D
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After trying mxe and 25=xxxx i will never try and RC. they are dangerous and can easily kill you. RC's should be banned! give me all the negative karma you want. this is my opinion
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A couple of months ago I was hanging with my friends at a Psytrance nature party in our little Israel and we bought some Hofmann blotters which supposedly were LSD. The blotters had really really strong bitter metallic taste, like your tongue gets burned and numbed, that's how we felt, so we were little suspicious. We started feeling the effects after 15 minutes. the trip itself was quite similar to acid but I noticed it was somehow different. I'm pretty sure it was substance from the NBOME group... It was quite strong and very very "dirty" compared to clean acid trip. The body high was strong, a lot of bad thoughts came across our heads and it was easy getting into bad loops... Although the trip was harsh, we listened to great music at the party and personally, I enjoyed more from the party and less from the trip, but one friend of mine had pretty bad trip that day. He just couldn't stop saying that he knows for sure that what we took wasn't acid. Guess he was right... He had lots of bad thoughts and bad loops. After that day, he got little bit unbalanced psychologically, he has been taken SSRI but said it didn't help him, and until now he still has sort of post trauma from his first bad trip. Couple of weeks later, we heard that people got really f**ked up from eating lots of these supposedly LSD Hofmann blotters. The problem is that people sell these kinds of RC on blotters as LSD, chemicals which haven't been tested enough to prove safety for human consumption, side effects, long term use ect. ect. and some substances probably haven't been tested at all on humans... So people don't know what the hell they're taking. It's really dangerous. My friend was saying that the trip kind of pulled him backwards after all the good "acid therapies" we had, which pushed him forward... today he doesn't touch any drugs anymore, not even weed... :(
Why should we touch these kind of shit when we have the best acid here?
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Took an unknown 2c-? at a music festival while on excessive amounts of possibly unclean MDMA (350+mg). Felt like there was a golf ball in my heart and the visuals were horrible, zero depth perception and everything looked like a painting/scrapbook. Wouldn't recommend based entirely on this experience although I have met drug purists who claim 2c-B is a godsend.
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Took an unknown 2c-? at a music festival while on excessive amounts of possibly unclean MDMA (350+mg). Felt like there was a golf ball in my heart and the visuals were horrible, zero depth perception and everything looked like a painting/scrapbook. Wouldn't recommend based entirely on this experience although I have met drug purists who claim 2c-B is a godsend.
2C's can be amazing when handled with respect :)
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^ I respect anything i haven't tried before , starting with small doses then doubling dose until i'm where i want to be... It's not good going out of your comfort zone with the unknown.. :o
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All RCs are VERY risky, they are quite unregulated and considered Novice drugs... all of us veterans moved past the "party life" and got hooked on Mr. Brown and Billy Crystal.
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« on: November 08, 2012, 01:13 AM »
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diarrhea - probably you ate too much or the wrong food before tripping. headaches after 2cx's are pretty common, large doses will make them worse.
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Orinoko Flow;
Nope that's adulterated, even clean 2Cs for you! They are brutal! I've heard terrible things. ;(
And please for the love of God do not double your dose till you're where you want to be, youll have been where you wanted to be 30 minutes ago and now youre puking all over your buddies pad wondering if you're alive. These can be extremely harsh on your body even in miniscule amounts.
Amazon.com ; milligram scale for $22 shipped; cross reference with erowid, and go with a parachute in rice paper for safest ingestion, but since no one here is going to have that handy enjoy a nice 1/4 sheet of toilet paper. Yuck.
The other end of that spectrum is not so funny.
Stay safe guys, most importantly, arm yourselves with knowledge, if they don't have extensive documentation of an RC you're about to order, rethink your relationship with your vendor. Going out of your zone with a narcotic substance is not always the best idea, and you're sure not the first or last to take it way to far so start low! Worst case scenario you have to weigh up another bump :P
The other end of that spectrum is not so funny. I've seen people hospitalized thanks to RCs, 2Cs being one of them.
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Not entirely a bad experience, by my standards anyway, but I had a weird time the first time I smoked JWH-18. I rolled the blend into a joint and me and my old lady passed it back and forth for a few puffs. Then, out of the blue, I was so high I could barely see straight. Too high to get up, I almost couldn't speak. I had to snatch the joint away from my wife, because I couldn't get words to come out in a way that made any fucking sense. I entertained the possibility that I was going to die, but what put me into panic mode was the thought that I had poisoned her.
She wasn't even high. It had almost no effect on her. The situation was reversed with JWH-200. It got her high as hell in one hit and gave her a minor panic attack. I barely felt it.
I guess the lesson is that some RC's are really unpredictable.
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What is JWH-18?
Not entirely a bad experience, by my standards anyway, but I had a weird time the first time I smoked JWH-18. I rolled the blend into a joint and me and my old lady passed it back and forth for a few puffs. Then, out of the blue, I was so high I could barely see straight. Too high to get up, I almost couldn't speak. I had to snatch the joint away from my wife, because I couldn't get words to come out in a way that made any fucking sense. I entertained the possibility that I was going to die, but what put me into panic mode was the thought that I had poisoned her.
She wasn't even high. It had almost no effect on her. The situation was reversed with JWH-200. It got her high as hell in one hit and gave her a minor panic attack. I barely felt it.
I guess the lesson is that some RC's are really unpredictable.
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What is JWH-18?
Not entirely a bad experience, by my standards anyway, but I had a weird time the first time I smoked JWH-18. I rolled the blend into a joint and me and my old lady passed it back and forth for a few puffs. Then, out of the blue, I was so high I could barely see straight. Too high to get up, I almost couldn't speak. I had to snatch the joint away from my wife, because I couldn't get words to come out in a way that made any fucking sense. I entertained the possibility that I was going to die, but what put me into panic mode was the thought that I had poisoned her.
She wasn't even high. It had almost no effect on her. The situation was reversed with JWH-200. It got her high as hell in one hit and gave her a minor panic attack. I barely felt it.
I guess the lesson is that some RC's are really unpredictable.
JWH-18 is a synthetic cannabinoid, the active ingredient in a lot of early smoking "blends" like Spice. A few people are selling it on the road.
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Be careful with MXE, if you got really strong uncut stuff don't take too many lines because then it's really a heavy trip. I however do love the drug and have used it multiple times, it's so hard to explain how it makes you feel... but its AMAZING.
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So abit like salvia! Im not a fan dmt is my thing.
What is JWH-18?
Not entirely a bad experience, by my standards anyway, but I had a weird time the first time I smoked JWH-18. I rolled the blend into a joint and me and my old lady passed it back and forth for a few puffs. Then, out of the blue, I was so high I could barely see straight. Too high to get up, I almost couldn't speak. I had to snatch the joint away from my wife, because I couldn't get words to come out in a way that made any fucking sense. I entertained the possibility that I was going to die, but what put me into panic mode was the thought that I had poisoned her.
She wasn't even high. It had almost no effect on her. The situation was reversed with JWH-200. It got her high as hell in one hit and gave her a minor panic attack. I barely felt it.
I guess the lesson is that some RC's are really unpredictable.
JWH-18 is a synthetic cannabinoid, the active ingredient in a lot of early smoking "blends" like Spice. A few people are selling it on the road.
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So abit like salvia! Im not a fan dmt is my thing.
What is JWH-18?
Not entirely a bad experience, by my standards anyway, but I had a weird time the first time I smoked JWH-18. I rolled the blend into a joint and me and my old lady passed it back and forth for a few puffs. Then, out of the blue, I was so high I could barely see straight. Too high to get up, I almost couldn't speak. I had to snatch the joint away from my wife, because I couldn't get words to come out in a way that made any fucking sense. I entertained the possibility that I was going to die, but what put me into panic mode was the thought that I had poisoned her.
She wasn't even high. It had almost no effect on her. The situation was reversed with JWH-200. It got her high as hell in one hit and gave her a minor panic attack. I barely felt it.
I guess the lesson is that some RC's are really unpredictable.
JWH-18 is a synthetic cannabinoid, the active ingredient in a lot of early smoking "blends" like Spice. A few people are selling it on the road.
Why the fuck do people compare salvia to cannabis and cannabinoids? It makes no sense at all. Salvinorin is an atypical psychedelic and cannabis is a depressant. The only thing cannabinoids have in common with salvinorin is that they're terpenoids and not alkaloids like most psychotropic substances.
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Word Ballz,Shit, I dont know why the fuck people compare salvia to anyything. that pshyco active rag weed gabage is worthless, in any instance lmao
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Word Ballz,Shit, I dont know why the fuck people compare salvia to anyything. that pshyco active rag weed gabage is worthless, in any instance lmao
Thanks, but what do you mean by "rag weed"? If you're referring to Salvia, I have to disagree with you. I think it's a very valuable and useful psychedelic.
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Word Ballz,Shit, I dont know why the fuck people compare salvia to anyything. that pshyco active rag weed gabage is worthless, in any instance lmao
Thanks, but what do you mean by "rag weed"? If you're referring to Salvia, I have to disagree with you. I think it's a very valuable and useful psychedelic.
Yea i meant the salvia, i cant stand the stuff..for many reasons, but to each his own=0)
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I've done quite a few research chemicals, and I can honestly say I've never had a bad experience. None of them have ever made me vomit, or have diarrhea. On the majority of RC trips I have taken, I have seen much beauty and learned things about myself and the world. I always research doses carefully, read trip reports, and try to take it easy. I've done 2C-B, 2C-I, 25C-NBOMe, 25I-NBOMe, MXE, and 6-APB. The only things that were slight bad on any of these trips were that the first time I did 2C-B, I snorted like 30mg+, got the worst nasal burn of my life, and the effects were weak, because I think kwik had a weak batch; and the first time I did 2C-I, I didn't enjoy it at all, mostly probably because I had taken 25I less than week prior to dosing, and I just felt 2C-I had a worse body load.
But I like the idea of this thread. People should definitely do their research on RCs.
Be competent before you consume.
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Word Ballz,Shit, I dont know why the fuck people compare salvia to anyything. that pshyco active rag weed gabage is worthless, in any instance lmao
Thanks, but what do you mean by "rag weed"? If you're referring to Salvia, I have to disagree with you. I think it's a very valuable and useful psychedelic.
Yea i meant the salvia, i cant stand the stuff..for many reasons, but to each his own=0)
Not liking it (or any other drug) is perfectly fine but it's very far from worthless. I've seen this stuff cure nicotine addiction!
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Word Ballz,Shit, I dont know why the fuck people compare salvia to anyything. that pshyco active rag weed gabage is worthless, in any instance lmao
Thanks, but what do you mean by "rag weed"? If you're referring to Salvia, I have to disagree with you. I think it's a very valuable and useful psychedelic.
Yea i meant the salvia, i cant stand the stuff..for many reasons, but to each his own=0)
Not liking it (or any other drug) is perfectly fine but it's very far from worthless. I've seen this stuff cure nicotine addiction!
Wow, poor choice of words on my part. What i meant was it is useless to me, mainly because I just looked to get all kinds of shit faced when i ingest substances, and salvia didnt make the cut in my book. lol
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Word Ballz,Shit, I dont know why the fuck people compare salvia to anyything. that pshyco active rag weed gabage is worthless, in any instance lmao
Thanks, but what do you mean by "rag weed"? If you're referring to Salvia, I have to disagree with you. I think it's a very valuable and useful psychedelic.
Yea i meant the salvia, i cant stand the stuff..for many reasons, but to each his own=0)
Not liking it (or any other drug) is perfectly fine but it's very far from worthless. I've seen this stuff cure nicotine addiction!
Wow, poor choice of words on my part. What i meant was it is useless to me, mainly because I just looked to get all kinds of shit faced when i ingest substances, and salvia didnt make the cut in my book. lol
That totally makes sense. There are cheaper ways to simply get high :)
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I only really take drugs that were going about when i was young e.g xtc,coke,lsd,2cb,dmt all topped off with shit loads of weed , i tend to stick to what i know and things like lsd and mdma are popular for a reason... Ive seen people on salvia and wouldn't touch that shit..
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I only really take drugs that were going about when i was young e.g xtc,coke,lsd,2cb,dmt all topped off with shit loads of weed , i tend to stick to what i know and things like lsd and mdma are popular for a reason... Ive seen people on salvia and wouldn't touch that shit..
Don't blame the drug, those people are probably idiots who didn't respect Salvia for what it is - an extremely powerful psychedelic.
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Had a trip that felt like 17 hours and I was recycles by multiple machines, it was intense. Salvia and dmt defs need to be treated with respect
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Im scared of dmt but i love it ???
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I am not particularly fond of RC's, yet I have had a few experiences with them. I agree with the consensuses that they cause headaches. I have done 25C around 5 times and if treated with respect it can yield much beauty. However, I have bad experiences because one time I thought my best friend was coming on to me and I flipped the fuck out, and another time I went to some commercial rave (dayglow, never again) and was around conformist fucks. 25C is much better than 25I which I have experimented with once. 25I lasts too long and is too intense. Aside from those I have also indulged in 2CB (I don't consider an RC) and it has become a staple in my psychedelic diet. All in all, I think RC's aren't really that great and psychedelics that have existed longer than those are the safest option.
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I find 2c-b to be very fun but all of my friends are scared of it.
One of my friends felt it was a good idea to take about 50mg of 2c-b and was unable to talk or communicate for a few hours. On the comedown he didn't recall a thing that happened for the last 4-5 hours. It was really fucked up so it needs to be respected.
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2cb will kick your arse if you dont respect it :o
I find 2c-b to be very fun but all of my friends are scared of it.
One of my friends felt it was a good idea to take about 50mg of 2c-b and was unable to talk or communicate for a few hours. On the comedown he didn't recall a thing that happened for the last 4-5 hours. It was really fucked up so it needs to be respected.
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Be careful with MXE, if you got really strong uncut stuff don't take too many lines because then it's really a heavy trip. I however do love the drug and have used it multiple times, it's so hard to explain how it makes you feel... but its AMAZING.
Yea.....^^^^this^^^^. Tried MXE one time, and measured with a microgram scale, as advised. Nice, mild ride. The second time, I eyeballed it. Really, really bad move. Luckily, I was at a truly "old school", invite only, hippie festival. Expert sitters came to my assistance in minutes. And did I ever need that. As a matter of fact, a long term friendship was lost that night. I promised my friend that it was "just like mushrooms...really mild, etc". And it wasn't.
So.....don't do MXE without a microgram scale.
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I'd say it's more of a mild psychedelic.
This is how it is scheduled in my country. Anyone that has taken a bong rip with zero tolerance or eaten too many edibles can vouch for this.
When I was really young me and a cousin ate a half ounce in brownies and we were both spectacularly messed up. For 3-4 hours every time I closed my eyes I saw a tongue riding a skateboard across a parking lot and at the end of the lot it would grab a streetlight (reaching upward with the tip of the tongue) and flip around. It was pretty bizarre experience, but now I give THC a little credit.
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I'd say it's more of a mild psychedelic.
This is how it is scheduled in my country. Anyone that has taken a bong rip with zero tolerance or eaten too many edibles can vouch for this.
When I was really young me and a cousin ate a half ounce in brownies and we were both spectacularly messed up. For 3-4 hours every time I closed my eyes I saw a tongue riding a skateboard across a parking lot and at the end of the lot it would grab a streetlight (reaching upward with the tip of the tongue) and flip around. It was pretty bizarre experience, but now I give THC a little credit.
Yeah, when I eat too much of really good cannabutter made from really good sativa hash, it fucks me up to the point where the experience becomes psychedelic.
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The most stoned ive evr been involved home made hash cakes :o
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The most stoned ive evr been involved home made hash cakes :o
Oh yeah, I've had my share of overwhelming experiences on hash edibles too ;D
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I'm thinking the reason so many people compare salvia to weed is because they're both plants ._. Stupid, I know, but when you google salvia, and see a crumpled dried plant, the first closest association for the average smoker dude is, "Oh hurr, a more powerful legal weed".
Also, what exactly is wrong with people tossing down the NBOMe-series chems in fucking mg quantities. 2mg is a retardedly powerful dose, no wonder the guy on the first page had issues. 250ug gets me tripping, 500ug spins me the fuck around, 750ug nearly snaps me, yet the guy tosses down nearly 3x that much. Admittedly, he doesn't mention if the 2mg was split, or per head, but even 1mg is a massive dose.
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I'm thinking the reason so many people compare salvia to weed is because they're both plants ._. Stupid, I know, but when you google salvia, and see a crumpled dried plant, the first closest association for the average smoker dude is, "Oh hurr, a more powerful legal weed".
Also, what exactly is wrong with people tossing down the NBOMe-series chems in fucking mg quantities. 2mg is a retardedly powerful dose, no wonder the guy on the first page had issues. 250ug gets me tripping, 500ug spins me the fuck around, 750ug nearly snaps me, yet the guy tosses down nearly 3x that much. Admittedly, he doesn't mention if the 2mg was split, or per head, but even 1mg is a massive dose.
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I once tripped on 9.6mg of 25i. It was crazy but I was in total control the whole time :)
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I've accidentally OD'd on M1.
Had two cups, one had a gram one had 6 grams. I was high as hell and filled the 6 gram cup by mistake. Some customers that had high tolerance were complaining so I was going to start filling their tabs with ~450mg but wanted to make sure that if they ate two that the side effects etc would not be too much. My normal dose was 500mg + 250mh +1hr. I think I was also chasing the dragon myself a bit.
I think I drank about 3-5 grams by mistake before I realized it and stopped drinking.
Scary scary scary. life slipping away massive clenching everywhere panic attacks heart stopping / skipping parylisis serotonin syndrome hypothermia etc.
dont do it.
Luckily for me that was my wakeup call. I ate two (meph?) rolls a few months later and rolled for like 30m-1hr and felt cheated.
tried m1 about a month later (high dose) and got awful side effects on the comedown and havent used it since.
It doesnt do that to normal people that dose correctly over time obv.
I think the OD long term affected my tolerance and receptors.
I also have very strong ADD symptoms now to this day. I did before, but now it's badish.
My god man! I've binged on ( good ) methylone for a week, and my doses were at the highest 200 - 300 mgs every few hours when I felt like I needed it to keep the rush going.
That being said, I did feel like I od'd on it once, but a much much more mild OD than you had - I just was really paranoid and my eyes were shaky and my heart was racing but not too bad, had to lie down and had CRAZY closed eye hallucinations ( giant worms made of blades flying through my disembodied soul which was wandering around my old dorm room ). The closed eye shit made me feel like I was dying, even though I realized I wasn't. At a point, I was floating above my body while I had my eyes closed, and staring at myself. It was an uplifting experience, however scary it was.
I've had really good experiences with RC's, though. I enjoy them immensely. I also sell them locally. One thing I absolutely do not believe in is the misrepresentation of drugs - whenever I sell RC's, I make a point to tell new customers about the potential risks they're taking and to not overdo it. I genuinely care about people's health - I don't want them to get hurt at all. I'm saddened that many people have had bad times with RC's! The only ones I really enjoy are 2c's, NBOMe's, and M1. Those, to me, seem to be the 'cleanest' feeling of all the RC's.
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^ I tell customers what M1 is and even explain everything as well. I am all about knowledge and harm reduction and I genuinely want ppl to enjoy themselves and be safe.
Everyone else and I mean EVERYONE just calls it Molly. When I explain it to ppl sometimes they feel cheated "what the fuck I thought it was going to be molly" and If I didn't tell them they would have never known. Most IRL drug purchasers honestly just wanna get high and DGAF. The whole harm reduction thing is more of an online thing.
CEVs on M1 can be OUT OF THIS WORLD :)
Heart racing on comedown pretty standard and it's why I stopped. I just know that this shit can not be good for your body.
Yeah, it's similar where I'm from too. The thing about it is, most kids can't even tell the difference. Which leads me to believe that most of the mol in my area is either REAL shitty or just m1. That being said, with the way I've done it, I do feel that it feels so much cleaner than piperazines or other shit they try to sell as molly. I know a guy who actually got MDPV pawned off on him as molly, which I think is really really stupid. Although I have a distaste for MDPV, I find it a pretty garbage stimulant, too prone to redose and too apt to cause paranoia, but it can really fuck up people. Which makes me feel really bad when I see college kids getting fucked with them and not knowing what's happening.
My m1 experiences have been great, though. I've binged for long periods of time ( and by binge, I don't mean I've been staying up 24/7, but binging from the morning till I find the will to stop. I've stayed up for probably 48 hours max, and that was when I started seeing shadow people and having intense CEVs. But I don't regret the experience. For a while after that binge, though, I do feel I had some nervous twitchiness that only recently went away ( the mild od happened 4 or 5 months ago ) but the CEVs were the absolute closest thing I've had to astral-projection. After I got past the initial fear, I felt really good about the entire thing and mainly just worried about the intense heart-racing. I don't feel like it's particularly neurotoxic though; I've never had any headaches or anything after completing a binge, only pure afterglow and happiness that lasts for at least a week.
As a person who's suffered from major depression in the past, M1 truly helps with that ; it's just serotonergic enough to give that uplifting euphoria and awareness of situations, and the high dopaminergic qualities of it make it a worthwhile stim as well; I've had no trouble focusing on it and feel like low doses of it help my ADD, too. I think that with proper research it could become a wonderful clinical drug, if the FDA would allow it. I don't think any empathogen is going to get sanctioned research done, though. :[
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The only ones I really enjoy are 2c's, NBOMe's, and M1. Those, to me, seem to be the 'cleanest' feeling of all the RC's.
2Cs are not RCs.
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The only ones I really enjoy are 2c's, NBOMe's, and M1. Those, to me, seem to be the 'cleanest' feeling of all the RC's.
2Cs are not RCs.
Truth - they're still relatively new to the mass market, though. I'm familiar with the fact that they were some of the chems Shulgin discovered but I lump them in with most other RC's since they were part of the bath salt explosion in the late-90's/early 2000's. They're still not researched to the extent that LSD and other such chemicals have been researched, though. And if you ask most people who aren't in the drug scene about them they're going to look at you funny unless they read somewhere about them in the news.
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yeah at low doses it def may have medicinal qualities and positive effects with minimum side effects.
I've had some 1-2 24 hour+ binges and i'll tell you the comedown can be god awful and just isn't worth it anymore once you get to a certain point. I dont really regret anything but we'll say what I say later in life. When I took a single roll after my long break my kidneys were hurting. Also I think my OD may have made me allergic or have a wierd reaction because I took it twice after the OD and had mild hypothermia from safe doses which also made me quit.
for me, the quality was shitty sometimes which led to having to do higher doses and then when I got good product I went too far. That's what happened the last time I used it and it convinced me to take a long break and possibly/likely quit forever. I wish I had learned more about it before my honeymoon phase. The nervousness / twitchiness happens and does go away but can't be a good sign IMO and after my OD I thought I may have done some damage due OR sped up the process of alzheimers and or parkinsons.
The thing about M1 is you really can use it all the time without the nasty effects of some of its cousins. I know people that binge the fuck out of it all day every day. One dealer I know has been using it 3-4 times+ a week for about 2 years now.
Nasally it's a good coke replacement. I was selling lower grade coke to drunk people and just putting a half point or a point in a .3 made a remarkable difference and I find it very easy on the nose.
But you WILL PAY, eventually.
Yeah, that's the sad thing - I mean, if you look at the state of things, they're just ( in the past ten years or so ) figuring out, at least as far as mainstream medicine goes, that ketamine fucking wrecks your kidneys. And ketamine has been around forever and a day, with tons of research done on it.
That being said, MDMA has had a lot of research done on it, and even though it's definitely faded in the past few decades, it still has research done on it and the general consensus is that limited use of it is far, far less toxic than they originally believed. And all methylone is is MDMA with a double-bonded oxygen on it. Now, I don't know too much about psychopharmacology, so for all I know that double-bonded oxygen could very well completely muck up the entire molecule, but I like to think that it has a similar safety profile to MDMA.
One thing I have noticed is that with extended use the original magic of the chemical has faded. I used to roll on methylone, just sink back and melt. That was for the first few times I did it. Now, I still get chatty and feel really nice, but I never get to that rolly melty state I used to get to. I haven't had good methylone in a while, though. Some of the best methylone I've had has come from Nevita, which makes me really happy that he's selling it again, but from what I understand it's only in 100 gram shipments, which is hard for me to pull off unless someone throws in with me because I just don't have the money, not having a job and having bills to pay and all.
As far as comedowns go, though, I don't usually have bad ones with any drug I've tried so I could just be lucky. The only comedowns I've had that were uncomfortable to me were the ones I had when I've abused benzos, and the fucking retarded comedown from when I used to robotrip. Most comedowns I have usually just give me a headache, but I get migraines all the time so having a mild headache is just a normal day for me. Comedown from stims though does give me a headache that makes me feel like I've definitely fried some neurons, though, haha. I just feel like my brain's boiling over. But since I go to college and live with my folks when I'm not in college I don't have a lot of opportunity to abuse in the winter and the summer so I take this time to center myself and rebuild the damage I do during the semester.
Sorry for the tangent. I tend to go off on them quite a lot. As far as you knowing people that abuse the fuck out of it, I feel the same way - the first time I tried it I was getting it locally from a dude who pretty much did it all day every day. I've done similar things when I've had upwards of 40 or 50 grams to fuck with, and the only thing I notice is that the serotonin gets depleted WAY before the dopamine does. At the end of the third day of abuse it just feels like you're doing some straight-stim, with none of the open-chattiness that comes with serotonergic activity.
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my only bad experiences were with 4 FA. od-d twice. same thing happened both times. really fucked up my blood pressure. i went blind and deaf every time i moved .
and i still have some tinnitus. a high pitched ear ringing that is fading very slowly. i can barely hear it now but its still there.
be careful.
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my only bad experiences were with 4 FA. od-d twice. same thing happened both times. really fucked up my blood pressure. i went blind and deaf every time i moved .
and i still have some tinnitus. a high pitched ear ringing that is fading very slowly. i can barely hear it now but its still there.
be careful.
I have it too, mildish.
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im not sure if serotonergic activity causes chattiness it might be a dopa type thing as well --- think coke. I have noticed that I am a little more chatty at safe non abusive adderal doses too and I think amphetamines are straight dopaminergic but I'm just guessing.
No, I know that chattiness is both dopaminergic as well as serotonergic, it's just chatting. You don't really go out of your way to be empathetic and such with simply dopaminergic activity. The serotonin is what gives you that empathy that makes opening up in conversation easier; that was what I was talking about. So I guess it's a mix of the two, really.
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2 years ago I sold spice AKA k2, fake weed, synthetic weed. At this time there was much less regulation and almost no states had any laws. In general the spice was safe but because solvents are used to apply the chemicals its possible that some of the solvent will remain on the spice if its not aired out properly. Good spice will get you a short high that is good, but not as good as weird nor is it exactly like weed.
Recently spice has got alot worse because there are more people applying the chemicals using industrial grade solvents and then not airing it out properly. I would recommend that everyone avoid spice. Its just not safe. I am not saying you will die but after dealing with it for so long I have come to the conclusion that its unhealthy and that no one should do it!
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I smoked spice ~10x in my life I had a friend that always smoked me out on it.
The last two times I smoked it on the drive home from work cause my weed was at home and i got bad panic/anxiety feelings and never smoked it again it just seemed bad for me.
2 years ago I sold spice AKA k2, fake weed, synthetic weed. At this time there was much less regulation and almost no states had any laws. In general the spice was safe but because solvents are used to apply the chemicals its possible that some of the solvent will remain on the spice if its not aired out properly. Good spice will get you a short high that is good, but not as good as weird nor is it exactly like weed.
Recently spice has got alot worse because there are more people applying the chemicals using industrial grade solvents and then not airing it out properly. I would recommend that everyone avoid spice. Its just not safe. I am not saying you will die but after dealing with it for so long I have come to the conclusion that its unhealthy and that no one should do it!
Yeah, that's cause it is hard as fuck on your neurons. Your CB receptors aren't meant to activate the way synth-cannabinoids activate them. Full agonists of the CB receptors tap into paranoia, anxiety, hot flashes... along with a fuckton of other side effects. I mean, like I have said before, I don't knock anybody for doing drugs but to be honest spice and shit is just bad for you, y'know? Not to mention I've seen a bunch of my friends get addicted as fuck to 'em. Like waking up 4, 5 times in the middle of the night to smoke more spice 'cause the withdrawal made it impossible to go to sleep. Feels bad.
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yeah at low doses it def may have medicinal qualities and positive effects with minimum side effects.
I've had some 1-2 24 hour+ binges and i'll tell you the comedown can be god awful and just isn't worth it anymore once you get to a certain point. I dont really regret anything but we'll say what I say later in life. When I took a single roll after my long break my kidneys were hurting. Also I think my OD may have made me allergic or have a wierd reaction because I took it twice after the OD and had mild hypothermia from safe doses which also made me quit.
for me, the quality was shitty sometimes which led to having to do higher doses and then when I got good product I went too far. That's what happened the last time I used it and it convinced me to take a long break and possibly/likely quit forever. I wish I had learned more about it before my honeymoon phase. The nervousness / twitchiness happens and does go away but can't be a good sign IMO and after my OD I thought I may have done some damage due OR sped up the process of alzheimers and or parkinsons.
The thing about M1 is you really can use it all the time without the nasty effects of some of its cousins. I know people that binge the fuck out of it all day every day. One dealer I know has been using it 3-4 times+ a week for about 2 years now.
Nasally it's a good coke replacement. I was selling lower grade coke to drunk people and just putting a half point or a point in a .3 made a remarkable difference and I find it very easy on the nose.
But you WILL PAY, eventually.
Yeah, that's the sad thing - I mean, if you look at the state of things, they're just ( in the past ten years or so ) figuring out, at least as far as mainstream medicine goes, that ketamine fucking wrecks your kidneys. And ketamine has been around forever and a day, with tons of research done on it.
That being said, MDMA has had a lot of research done on it, and even though it's definitely faded in the past few decades, it still has research done on it and the general consensus is that limited use of it is far, far less toxic than they originally believed. And all methylone is is MDMA with a double-bonded oxygen on it. Now, I don't know too much about psychopharmacology, so for all I know that double-bonded oxygen could very well completely muck up the entire molecule, but I like to think that it has a similar safety profile to MDMA.
One thing I have noticed is that with extended use the original magic of the chemical has faded. I used to roll on methylone, just sink back and melt. That was for the first few times I did it. Now, I still get chatty and feel really nice, but I never get to that rolly melty state I used to get to. I haven't had good methylone in a while, though. Some of the best methylone I've had has come from Nevita, which makes me really happy that he's selling it again, but from what I understand it's only in 100 gram shipments, which is hard for me to pull off unless someone throws in with me because I just don't have the money, not having a job and having bills to pay and all.
As far as comedowns go, though, I don't usually have bad ones with any drug I've tried so I could just be lucky. The only comedowns I've had that were uncomfortable to me were the ones I had when I've abused benzos, and the fucking retarded comedown from when I used to robotrip. Most comedowns I have usually just give me a headache, but I get migraines all the time so having a mild headache is just a normal day for me. Comedown from stims though does give me a headache that makes me feel like I've definitely fried some neurons, though, haha. I just feel like my brain's boiling over. But since I go to college and live with my folks when I'm not in college I don't have a lot of opportunity to abuse in the winter and the summer so I take this time to center myself and rebuild the damage I do during the semester.
Sorry for the tangent. I tend to go off on them quite a lot. As far as you knowing people that abuse the fuck out of it, I feel the same way - the first time I tried it I was getting it locally from a dude who pretty much did it all day every day. I've done similar things when I've had upwards of 40 or 50 grams to fuck with, and the only thing I notice is that the serotonin gets depleted WAY before the dopamine does. At the end of the third day of abuse it just feels like you're doing some straight-stim, with none of the open-chattiness that comes with serotonergic activity.
im not sure if serotonergic activity causes chattiness it might be a dopa type thing as well --- think coke. I have noticed that I am a little more chatty at safe non abusive adderal doses too and I think amphetamines are straight dopaminergic but I'm just guessing.
No, amphetamines also bind to SERT (serotonin transporter), although their affinity for DAT (dopamine transporter) and NET (norepinephrine transporter) is way higher.
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dat_dopamine o_o
Anyone had anxiety/fear at sub-active doses of the 25x chems? I'm testing for allergies, and at 30-50ug doses of 25c, I get this stupidly intense nausea, like I think trees are out to kill me and shit. No hallucinations, just a bit of increased thought processes, and that god-awful anxiety. I'm thinking its because low doses don't give as much euphoria as high ones.
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dat_dopamine o_o
Anyone had anxiety/fear at sub-active doses of the 25x chems? I'm testing for allergies, and at 30-50ug doses of 25c, I get this stupidly intense nausea, like I think trees are out to kill me and shit. No hallucinations, just a bit of increased thought processes, and that god-awful anxiety. I'm thinking its because low doses don't give as much euphoria as high ones.
It's really hit or miss with some people - I've sold it before and some people have really enjoyed it ( 25i in specific ), some people have felt really anxious with it, and some people get very little effects at all. I find that the 25x set are chems that produce extremely different effects depending on your body chemistry. When I tried it I enjoyed myself, but the effects can be dysphoric to a lot of people.
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It's really hit or miss with some people - I've sold it before and some people have really enjoyed it ( 25i in specific ), some people have felt really anxious with it, and some people get very little effects at all. I find that the 25x set are chems that produce extremely different effects depending on your body chemistry. When I tried it I enjoyed myself, but the effects can be dysphoric to a lot of people.
I enjoyed my normal dose, about 500ug, of 25i. Was excellent fun, great visuals, stupidly massive euphoria, but every time I've tested for allergies (<50ug), massive anxiety. Curious stuff tbh.
Want to trip sometime soon off of 800ug, but I'm having some doubts. Maybe need to grab some friends and a xanny and just go for it.
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It's really hit or miss with some people - I've sold it before and some people have really enjoyed it ( 25i in specific ), some people have felt really anxious with it, and some people get very little effects at all. I find that the 25x set are chems that produce extremely different effects depending on your body chemistry. When I tried it I enjoyed myself, but the effects can be dysphoric to a lot of people.
I took 2x 550ug on my only time and the visuals were amazing but had nausea towards middle to end of trip and have never experienced nausea! Put me off... 2cb is much better my first experience was fuckin intense took too much went to walk dog and saw the most beautiful colours, watched the sun go down ;)
I enjoyed my normal dose, about 500ug, of 25i. Was excellent fun, great visuals, stupidly massive euphoria, but every time I've tested for allergies (<50ug), massive anxiety. Curious stuff tbh.
Want to trip sometime soon off of 800ug, but I'm having some doubts. Maybe need to grab some friends and a xanny and just go for it.
I took 2x 550ug on my only time and the visuals were amazing but had nausea towards middle to end of trip and have never experienced nausea! Put me off... 2cb is much better my first experience was fuckin intense took too much went to walk dog and saw amazing colours, watched the sun go down ;)
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at 30-50ug doses of 25c, I get this stupidly intense nausea, like I think trees are out to kill me and shit. No hallucinations, just a bit of increased thought processes, and that god-awful anxiety. I'm thinking its because low doses don't give as much euphoria as high ones.
I'm not sure if you mean the same thing with nause and anxiety, but both are terms that I'd apply to experiences with very low doses of 2C-I-NBOMe, 2C-C-NBOMe and 2C-B-NBOMe. The nausea is something I can very well tolerate and to a certain extent even enjoy when doses are around 800 and 1000µg, but being curious I've made some experiments with doses less than 100µg and those experiences have been quite disgusting. The physical nausea is one thing, though, but I also, like you, get on top of that some psychological anxiety when on low doses. I wouldn't say it's god-awful, but intense enough to be ranked as something I'd rather not experience if given the choice.
When on good doses, ie. clearly above 500µg, the physical high is in my case too way too intense to let me notice any little annoyances like nausea or have time to experience anxiety. Except maybe between the peaks the anxiety of the experience itself coming to an end eventually.
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I'm not sure if you mean the same thing with nause and anxiety, but both are terms that I'd apply to experiences with very low doses of 2C-I-NBOMe, 2C-C-NBOMe and 2C-B-NBOMe. The nausea is something I can very well tolerate and to a certain extent even enjoy when doses are around 800 and 1000µg, but being curious I've made some experiments with doses less than 100µg and those experiences have been quite disgusting. The physical nausea is one thing, though, but I also, like you, get on top of that some psychological anxiety when on low doses. I wouldn't say it's god-awful, but intense enough to be ranked as something I'd rather not experience if given the choice.
When on good doses, ie. clearly above 500µg, the physical high is in my case too way too intense to let me notice any little annoyances like nausea or have time to experience anxiety. Except maybe between the peaks the anxiety of the experience itself coming to an end eventually.
Yeah sorry no idea why I said nausea, I was actually mid-75ug dose when I typed that. Just anxiety, a massive amount of it.
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RCs I have known and loved:
RCs I hated:
- every single one I tried
In this aspect the weird Drugs Inc. documentary was correct: those are chemicals made to mimic a popular drug, but remain legal. Take the real drug. The new shit that pops up isn't coming from researchers like Shulgin who was/is interested in discovering new compounds.
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RCs I have known and loved:
RCs I hated:
- every single one I tried
In this aspect the weird Drugs Inc. documentary was correct: those are chemicals made to mimic a popular drug, but remain legal. Take the real drug. The new shit that pops up isn't coming from researchers like Shulgin who was/is interested in discovering new compounds.
You're completely wrong... especially when it comes to 25x compounds. Those were discovered by David Nichols, who along with Shulgin is one of the godfathers of novel psychedelic research. I don't think he bioassays them like Sasha did, but he's sure as hell not some basement chemist looking to give kids some half-assed fix...
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Shulgin is a brilliant chemiist but he never meant for ecstacy to become a mainstream party drug taken in high doses. Many people claimed E was safe as when it first came on the scene. 25 UK a pill!
Trouble is, as we now know, taking too much E (which is one of the most well known research chemicals) CAN do damage. I know people who would take 20 pills because their tolerance was so high they were able to cope with such high doses. But, I think we all know every high needs a low. If you take a lot of cocaine, you will feel great that night but will have a down the nexy day. With E, the down takes 24 hr to kick in as your seretonin levels are still a bit high the nexy day.
I have taken E very few times. I guessed that the people taking 20 pills were a warning to me. I love to party and would have been popping 20 pills if I had started down that route. A lot of people who done too much E suffer depression, others, who have taken 1000 or more doses of 180mg or so, are fine!
So, now we know E has its downside, we now have thousands of RCs being manufactured, even bespoke concoctions which I suspect are used for Euro Coke. The truth is, anyone using the RCs is a test subject. Nobody can sat what will happen long tern until we are ten years or twenty in the future.
Also, RCs are made solely for profit. The original RCs were just genuine people curious about alterered perceptions. They tested unknown drugs on themselves. Their friends tested, until a circle of people had used and no side effects reported.
Myconcern is that RCs are cheap. You can buy some which are VERY potent at small doses, so all it takes is a mix up, someone finds your bag of white powder at a party and snorts 1000 times the reccomended dose of some RC.
Long term we do not know what these drugs will do.
I think we have enough drugs to suit every occasion already, drugs which have been proven to be 'harmless' as long as you play by the rules and are healthy enough to use them.
That said, its possible some RC might be a very effective med for depression, perhapsd kicking in 30 mins later not 30 days! Anti Ds are VERY powerful and have very real side effects which would make most people depressed!
So, its your life, your choice, my view is that I got a list of ten tried and tested drugs, I'll stick to those, but might use some RC if it is used for ten years by millions and is proven to be cool!
Cheers!
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Wouldn't recommend based entirely on this experience although I have met drug purists who claim 2c-B is a godsend.
2C-B is a godsend.
(And it's not cosidered an RC.)
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Shulgin is a brilliant chemiist but he never meant for ecstacy to become a mainstream party drug taken in high doses. Many people claimed E was safe as when it first came on the scene. 25 UK a pill!
Trouble is, as we now know, taking too much E (which is one of the most well known research chemicals) CAN do damage. I know people who would take 20 pills because their tolerance was so high they were able to cope with such high doses. But, I think we all know every high needs a low. If you take a lot of cocaine, you will feel great that night but will have a down the nexy day. With E, the down takes 24 hr to kick in as your seretonin levels are still a bit high the nexy day.
I have taken E very few times. I guessed that the people taking 20 pills were a warning to me. I love to party and would have been popping 20 pills if I had started down that route. A lot of people who done too much E suffer depression, others, who have taken 1000 or more doses of 180mg or so, are fine!
So, now we know E has its downside, we now have thousands of RCs being manufactured, even bespoke concoctions which I suspect are used for Euro Coke. The truth is, anyone using the RCs is a test subject. Nobody can sat what will happen long tern until we are ten years or twenty in the future.
Also, RCs are made solely for profit. The original RCs were just genuine people curious about alterered perceptions. They tested unknown drugs on themselves. Their friends tested, until a circle of people had used and no side effects reported.
Myconcern is that RCs are cheap. You can buy some which are VERY potent at small doses, so all it takes is a mix up, someone finds your bag of white powder at a party and snorts 1000 times the reccomended dose of some RC.
Long term we do not know what these drugs will do.
I think we have enough drugs to suit every occasion already, drugs which have been proven to be 'harmless' as long as you play by the rules and are healthy enough to use them.
That said, its possible some RC might be a very effective med for depression, perhapsd kicking in 30 mins later not 30 days! Anti Ds are VERY powerful and have very real side effects which would make most people depressed!
So, its your life, your choice, my view is that I got a list of ten tried and tested drugs, I'll stick to those, but might use some RC if it is used for ten years by millions and is proven to be cool!
Cheers!
;)
The thing about it is, if you know a bit about neurochemistry, activation sites, and such, you can generally ( and I use generally extremely liberally here ) figure out to a certain extent the safety profile of a drug based on other drugs in its class. But there are drugs that are completely different and do need to be used with caution. For example, 6-APB. It has effects similar to MDA, but it is not an amphetamine or even a cathinone. It's a benzofuran, and we know VERY VERY little about the effects that benzofuran compounds can have in the long term. Tests have proven that the neurotoxicity in the short term is low, but who's to say it isn't like a chemical such as ketamine, which we are just in the past ten or twenty years or so finding out first-hand can cause EXTREME damage to your kidneys if used daily. And ketamine has been known for ages! It isn't even a research chemical!
The point i'm trying to make is that even drugs we know lots about can eventually prove to be more dangerous than we could have ever imagined. RCs are generally created from the same desire to find novel chemicals that Sasha Shulgin had; or in many cases to find medical treatment to problems we haven't figured out yet. The 25x series of chemicals were made to find a way to map the 5ht pathways in the brain because they are extremely potent agonists of extremely specific parts of serotonin. But when you make these chems and present your findings to committees who decide whether these chemicals get researched or not, you publish information on how to synthesize them. All it takes is for one synth to get leaked and wham, you have an entire world of profiteers trying to make money off of a novel chemical.
RC's aren't made to destroy lives or just to be shit drugs to circumvent laws; that's eventually how they are used, but usually they are developed with truly benign purposes in mind. It's just people with gleams in their eye trying to make money that ruin them for the mainstream.
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Shulgin is a brilliant chemiist but he never meant for ecstacy to become a mainstream party drug taken in high doses. Many people claimed E was safe as when it first came on the scene. 25 UK a pill!
Trouble is, as we now know, taking too much E (which is one of the most well known research chemicals) CAN do damage. I know people who would take 20 pills because their tolerance was so high they were able to cope with such high doses. But, I think we all know every high needs a low. If you take a lot of cocaine, you will feel great that night but will have a down the nexy day. With E, the down takes 24 hr to kick in as your seretonin levels are still a bit high the nexy day.
I have taken E very few times. I guessed that the people taking 20 pills were a warning to me. I love to party and would have been popping 20 pills if I had started down that route. A lot of people who done too much E suffer depression, others, who have taken 1000 or more doses of 180mg or so, are fine!
So, now we know E has its downside, we now have thousands of RCs being manufactured, even bespoke concoctions which I suspect are used for Euro Coke. The truth is, anyone using the RCs is a test subject. Nobody can sat what will happen long tern until we are ten years or twenty in the future.
Also, RCs are made solely for profit. The original RCs were just genuine people curious about alterered perceptions. They tested unknown drugs on themselves. Their friends tested, until a circle of people had used and no side effects reported.
Myconcern is that RCs are cheap. You can buy some which are VERY potent at small doses, so all it takes is a mix up, someone finds your bag of white powder at a party and snorts 1000 times the reccomended dose of some RC.
Long term we do not know what these drugs will do.
I think we have enough drugs to suit every occasion already, drugs which have been proven to be 'harmless' as long as you play by the rules and are healthy enough to use them.
That said, its possible some RC might be a very effective med for depression, perhapsd kicking in 30 mins later not 30 days! Anti Ds are VERY powerful and have very real side effects which would make most people depressed!
So, its your life, your choice, my view is that I got a list of ten tried and tested drugs, I'll stick to those, but might use some RC if it is used for ten years by millions and is proven to be cool!
Cheers!
;)
The thing about it is, if you know a bit about neurochemistry, activation sites, and such, you can generally ( and I use generally extremely liberally here ) figure out to a certain extent the safety profile of a drug based on other drugs in its class. But there are drugs that are completely different and do need to be used with caution. For example, 6-APB. It has effects similar to MDA, but it is not an amphetamine or even a cathinone. It's a benzofuran, and we know VERY VERY little about the effects that benzofuran compounds can have in the long term. Tests have proven that the neurotoxicity in the short term is low, but who's to say it isn't like a chemical such as ketamine, which we are just in the past ten or twenty years or so finding out first-hand can cause EXTREME damage to your kidneys if used daily. And ketamine has been known for ages! It isn't even a research chemical!
The point i'm trying to make is that even drugs we know lots about can eventually prove to be more dangerous than we could have ever imagined. RCs are generally created from the same desire to find novel chemicals that Sasha Shulgin had; or in many cases to find medical treatment to problems we haven't figured out yet. The 25x series of chemicals were made to find a way to map the 5ht pathways in the brain because they are extremely potent agonists of extremely specific parts of serotonin. But when you make these chems and present your findings to committees who decide whether these chemicals get researched or not, you publish information on how to synthesize them. All it takes is for one synth to get leaked and wham, you have an entire world of profiteers trying to make money off of a novel chemical.
RC's aren't made to destroy lives or just to be shit drugs to circumvent laws; that's eventually how they are used, but usually they are developed with truly benign purposes in mind. It's just people with gleams in their eye trying to make money that ruin them for the mainstream.
great post and i wholeheartedly agree with the first paragraph.
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Since when is the desire to make money a bad thing? Too much blame for the perils of RCs is attributed to those who manufacture and sell them. Each of us can choose which drugs we do or do not consume. We can choose to inform and educate ourselves or not. We can choose to inform and educate our kids or not. But we should make our choices and live, or die, with the consequences and stop looking for someone else to blame or a government agency to solve all our problems. Information, education and personal responsibility are the way to harm reduction, not prohibition. Erowid has done more to reduce the harm of drugs than any government agency has. You can bet on that.
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Every drug started out as an RC.
Most antidepressants, antipsychotics, and even ritalin are not studies well enough to say anything conclusive.
I usually think, ok if it's exactly like substance bla, with one ion or whatever different, then the outcome will be the same but a little different and therefore the side effects.
There are some rc's that are not so ok I guess, like 5-it or what was it called?
Friend of mine used 2ct-7 (was legal here for a while) and was shitting, puking and pissing at the same time in the shower. Still was one of the better trips for him :p
I never had any problems with 2cb. Also didn't take it that many times. Once bought from a vendor here who said 20mg's a capsule while it was more like 16-17.