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Title: new to dmt
Post by: anderson on October 05, 2012, 09:32 pm
i got some dmt freebase to sample from elvis. it was a tan color. i expected it to have a strong psychedelic experience with all kinds of extra worldly things going on, but i got was a nice mellow, albeit meditative feeling that lasted for a good 15 mins and had me in good spirits the rest of the day. what should i have expected?
Title: Re: new to dmt
Post by: modest mouse on October 05, 2012, 10:03 pm
either you didnt start with high enough dose

or the product was low quality

or your method of administration was too inefficient. possibly you pyrolyzed the compound, didnt take a large enough dose rapidly

if you take a large enough hit of n,n-dmt you should experience intense visual activity and even become completely dissociated but obviously this was not your experience

if you are on an ssri or something then you cant trip anyway
Title: Re: new to dmt
Post by: jhancock1984 on October 05, 2012, 10:52 pm
I've smoked elvis' DMT and managed to get very good experiences off of it.  I've yet to blast off from DMT period but to me that's okay and is mostly because I haven't wanted too.  I have had amazing experiences with it and it's opened my mind more then anything else I've experienced.  I've also had a very scary experience with it when I went in with to many expectations and doubt.

Do not burn it.  Do not burn it.  Do not burn it.  You need to vape that shit.

Either get a glass meth pipe, a glass vapor genie, or chase it on some tin foil but don't burn it.  If it tastes harsh and shitty you're burning it.  If you feel like you need to cough up some DMT flavored lung cheese when you come down you're burning it.  If your SO tells you your house smells like shit after you smoke it, again you're burning it.

The three hits rule is a myth, as is the do it all under one minute or wait an hour rule.  This was Terrance McKenna's belief and I'm sure it was his experience.  But I've gone right back into a DMT experience immediately after coming down.  It's a very powerful tool.  It opens the doors of perception.  And your faith in it and willingness to allow the experience to be what it is without your preconceived notions are a huge part of it.

As to SSRIs you can trip on them but you'll need a higher dose.  DMT works on a ton of different receptors and so is something of an exception to this rule but it also works on the big receptor most other psychedelics do.  So yeah, you'll need to smoke more then the rest of us if that's the case.  Or at least, that's what I've been told.

DMT has really shown me that the universe will be what it is if you allow it.  So maybe the SSRI thing doesn't even hold water when it comes down to it.

Sorry if I sound like some mystical headed hippie.  But DMT has changed my mind about a lot of things.
Title: Re: new to dmt
Post by: Slugger on October 06, 2012, 02:38 am
I have had experiences similar to yours on my own extracted DMT. It was my first few times smoking it and it was because I was smoking it horribly wrong. I was using a foil square, then having a glass bottle broken in half on it. Put the DMT on the foil, then toke when vapor rises. If I had enough DMT, sure, it would have worked, but little did I know I was WASTING quite a bit with that method.

Make yourself a Machine, there are wiki's and forums dedicated to DMT that have tutorials on how to make yourself one, but I will give you the rundown.

Materials
- Glass Bottle
- Copper Scrubber
- Torch
- Glass Tube (or straw)
- Diamond Drillbit + drill *Optional. You can do it this way without it, it will just look better.
- Screw driver + hammer *That is if you don't have a diamond drillbit + drill.
- Duct tape

Procedure
Alright. If you have a diamond drillbit, just drill a hole in the bottom of the bottle. Duct tape the glass tube so it is sealed on the hole. You will want to burn the copper scrubber until it stops smoking, to get off whatever they coat it in. When it stops smoking you should be good. You may want to clean it with warm soap and water also to get the black stuff off.'

So just have the amount of DMT you want to consume (You can blast off with 25-50 MG DMT with this method) and rub the scrubber on it, it should pick it up easily. Put the flame on a tail of the copper scrubber so the DMT melts into it. Stick the scrubber DMT side into the mouth hole of the glass bottle. Light the TAIL end (FLAME ONLY TOUCHES TAIL) and hold it there until vapor rises, then take the flame away. Keep toking and take a large first rip. Then re-light if needed and take another big hit. Remember to hold those hits in for quite a bit. You should be well on your way after you take in that second rip so set the pipe down. BLAST OFF!
Title: Re: new to dmt
Post by: monrovia on January 28, 2013, 02:26 am
I'm pretty sure my next purchase is going to be some DMT from rogerpete. I'm just wondering if anyone has any dosage recommendations for a first timer. Just FYI though... I'm looking for an out of this world, life changing trip. Maybe this isn't recommended for a first time DMT user, but I really need a therapeutic trip to point my life in the right direction. Any suggestions are more than welcome.

I'm very experienced with LSD and reasonably experienced with psilocybin and MDMA just to give a little background. I can generally handle VERY large amounts of drugs....
Title: Re: new to dmt
Post by: ecstasydude on January 28, 2013, 02:30 am
I'm pretty sure my next purchase is going to be some DMT from rogerpete. I'm just wondering if anyone has any dosage recommendations for a first timer. Just FYI though... I'm looking for an out of this world, life changing trip. Maybe this isn't recommended for a first time DMT user, but I really need a therapeutic trip to point my life in the right direction. Any suggestions are more than welcome.

I'm very experienced with LSD and reasonably experienced with psilocybin and MDMA just to give a little background. I can generally handle VERY large amounts of drugs....

You really dont need to measure anything. Get some weed, place in a pipe, and put a thick, wide layer of DMT, on top of the weed. Take a huge rip, and hold it, as long as you can, exhale, then quicly take another huge rip, and hold it, by then you should enter the matrix... ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: new to dmt
Post by: monrovia on January 28, 2013, 02:48 am
Cool. And as long as no one will bother me for 15-25 minutes I'm golden right? No real need for a sitter if you have experience with psychedelics??

EDIT: Also, any ideas/opinions on IV'ing or is that just an idiotic, unnecessary idea?
Title: Re: new to dmt
Post by: moonflower on January 28, 2013, 02:52 am
i always smoke dmt out of a bong, sandwiched between weed... this method has yet to fail me. sandwiching it ensures that it gets vaporized, not burned. also makes it very easy to take big lungfuls.
Title: Re: new to dmt
Post by: ecstasydude on January 28, 2013, 03:06 am
Cool. And as long as no one will bother me for 15-25 minutes I'm golden right? No real need for a sitter if you have experience with psychedelics??

EDIT: Also, any ideas/opinions on IV'ing or is that just an idiotic, unnecessary idea?

YES YES YES!!!! Very Important.

Have nobody! around you, to watch you. That will panik you, and will linger in your back consiousness...
No need for sitter, you aint gonna run around, or pass out, or anything, dont worry...
probably on 2-3 minutes, it lasts, but its shrooms x 100.You will enter the matrix, maybe...

Do not IV, this drug is made to be smoked, and very active when its smoked... Only smoke it...

Go outside, somewhere with grass, and trees, with beautiful view. And set a chair outside and sit down. You most likely drop the bowl, after the second hit.
Title: Re: new to dmt
Post by: ecstasydude on January 28, 2013, 03:22 am
i always smoke dmt out of a bong, sandwiched between weed... this method has yet to fail me. sandwiching it ensures that it gets vaporized, not burned. also makes it very easy to take big lungfuls.

Hmm, I have sandwiched it before, to make sure no smoke is lost.

But Moon, what the difference between vaporization, and burning? I know its a silly question, but is there a difference for real? Isnt being burned still being vaporized? lol?

And what size bong?
a mini or a 2-3footer?

I cant imagine having a huge ass rip from a bong, that probably send you to outerspace!
Title: Re: new to dmt
Post by: moonflower on January 28, 2013, 04:08 am
i always smoke dmt out of a bong, sandwiched between weed... this method has yet to fail me. sandwiching it ensures that it gets vaporized, not burned. also makes it very easy to take big lungfuls.

Hmm, I have sandwiched it before, to make sure no smoke is lost.

But Moon, what the difference between vaporization, and burning? I know its a silly question, but is there a difference for real? Isnt being burned still being vaporized? lol?

And what size bong?
a mini or a 2-3footer?

I cant imagine having a huge ass rip from a bong, that probably send you to outerspace!
well, if you put the flame directly on dmt, a lot of it will be wasted. it's a matter of conservation more than anything else. don't want to lose that precious spice! my bong is around a foot tall, but i don't think it really matters... size isn't everything, after all. i introduced a friend to dmt and she took the most massive hit, broke through from one hit!
Title: Re: new to dmt
Post by: DayDreamer on January 28, 2013, 05:33 am
what would be a good dose for a first timer, who wants to do it alone, but does not want to break through?
i would like to try it, but nothing so intense that would cause a breakthrough on the first time.. I want a glimpse, a feel for the trip, before i decide how comfortable I would be with a breakthrough.

I have a few questions about DMT for the seasoned users -
is there a general feeling of euphoria associated with the come up (similar to LSD )?

on smaller doses, do you still possess the feeling of the "self", i e, do you feel like it is YOU (your ego / consciousnes ) that is having the experience? Or is there some sort of dissociation from the ego even on lower doses?

how does set and setting affect a trip of such a (relatively) short duration? Is it sufficient to have music playing and some nice lighting around you indoors ( like in a room ) as opposed to outdoors?

Does it feel like a dream when you come out?

Can it potentially make you crazy?

should i approach it slowly (start with 5mg, move on to 10, 15, 20, and so forth ) till i feel comfortable with the intensity?
any other advise would be greatly appreciated.



I have some experience with LSD ( about 5 - 6 ), and looking to expand a little further.
Title: Re: new to dmt
Post by: ecstasydude on January 28, 2013, 06:02 am
what would be a good dose for a first timer, who wants to do it alone, but does not want to break through?
i would like to try it, but nothing so intense that would cause a breakthrough on the first time.. I want a glimpse, a feel for the trip, before i decide how comfortable I would be with a breakthrough.

I have a few questions about DMT for the seasoned users -
is there a general feeling of euphoria associated with the come up (similar to LSD )?

on smaller doses, do you still possess the feeling of the "self", i e, do you feel like it is YOU (your ego / consciousnes ) that is having the experience? Or is there some sort of dissociation from the ego even on lower doses?

how does set and setting affect a trip of such a (relatively) short duration? Is it sufficient to have music playing and some nice lighting around you indoors ( like in a room ) as opposed to outdoors?

Does it feel like a dream when you come out?

Can it potentially make you crazy?

should i approach it slowly (start with 5mg, move on to 10, 15, 20, and so forth ) till i feel comfortable with the intensity?
any other advise would be greatly appreciated.



I have some experience with LSD ( about 5 - 6 ), and looking to expand a little further.

1. there is no measurement. Just pour it over the bowl, alot, and you are set. You cant overdose on this stuff, so you are safe, more the better. A pile that is wide as (a half of a US dime, or a pinky nail is fine)
Both breakthrough, and decent in world trip is fine. You will be alright, its FUN, not scary...

2. No euphoria, there is no come up, You take one, two hits, and you are Gone.

3. Yes on small hits, you are still there, in This world, but everything becomes a cartoon, really... Some South Park episode stuff.... Its like your mind is creating a videogame :)

4. yes setting is everything and nothing. I seriously prefer being outside, on a chair, with green forest trees, on a sunny day. You can do it everywhere, but thats just me..

5. Last time I did DMT, the music on the radio, made me cry...seriously... Its like it touched my soul, I had a tears running down my face... But thats because I didnt break through, I was still in this world..

6. Yes, it feals like the best dream in the world. Thats exactly what it feels like...

7. Cant make you crazy, its very harmless for mind and body... its  in you in small amounts too, and animals.

8. No, dont do small amounts. Just jump in! Huge rips, and you will love it. Nothing to be afraid of...

9. I have never done LSD, so I have no clue, or resemblance to DMT.
Title: Re: new to dmt
Post by: #slothrop on January 28, 2013, 06:10 am
what would be a good dose for a first timer, who wants to do it alone, but does not want to break through?
i would like to try it, but nothing so intense that would cause a breakthrough on the first time.. I want a glimpse, a feel for the trip, before i decide how comfortable I would be with a breakthrough.

You probably won't break through your first time, if you use any kind of caution. A lot of people have trouble breaking through for quite a while. Some (me for instance) have no desire to do it. Honestly the experiences I've had, while in many ways positive, have scared me pretty thoroughly. My experience with the ineffable, mystical, scary side of psychedelics has taught me to take things slowly and in small pieces.

You pose a number of excellent questions which I'll address individually:

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I have a few questions about DMT for the seasoned users -
is there a general feeling of euphoria associated with the come up (similar to LSD )?

Yes. For me it's unlike LSD, at least to some extent. It's more intense, sometimes to the point of being uncomfortable. Like light filling me up so fast I can barely stand it. Not wholly unpleasant, just intense. Smaller doses are more enjoyably euphoric. I also get weird sensations in my teeth. Stronger doses feel like they're shattering in my mouth. Again, I wouldn't describe this as unpleasant. This sort of extends back into my soft palate and into my sinuses. I've found that a few small doses of DMT can clear up a stuffed up nose.   

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on smaller doses, do you still possess the feeling of the "self", i e, do you feel like it is YOU (your ego / consciousnes ) that is having the experience? Or is there some sort of dissociation from the ego even on lower doses?

I always have, except for the first time I did it. It wasn't a breakthrough experience, but it was damn close. Most of my negative DMT experiences have been the result of me thinking I've smoked to much and desperately trying to hold on to my ego. This is part of the reason I'm not in any hurry to get a breakthrough dose. I don't want to go into it kicking and screaming.

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how does set and setting affect a trip of such a (relatively) short duration? Is it sufficient to have music playing and some nice lighting around you indoors ( like in a room ) as opposed to outdoors?


As much as with any other psychedelic. Don't forget that while "set" refers in part to how you're feeling at that particular moment or for the days and weeks leading up to a trip, it also describes your whole psychological profile, from birth to present. Some people, IMO are going to have a more difficult time with entheogenics just because of who he/she. Because of the velocity and intensity of DMT, I think it's easier to have negative experiences with.

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Does it feel like a dream when you come out?


It depends on the dose. My highest doses have left me with an utter lack of understanding w/r/t the world I reemerge. While the drug wears off, things I was doing an hour ago seem strange and distant. If you blast of entirely I imagine coming back to this world would far stranger.

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Can it potentially make you crazy?
This is a very interesting question, one that probably deserves it's own thread. The short answer is no. Nothing can "make" you crazy. What we typically think of as insanity (at least in the context of the question) is very complicated and the result of a multitude of factors. It's basically what I was getting at with what I said about Tim Leary's notion of set. It CAN, however, fundamentally change the way you look at reality. People react to this shift in different ways and for some it can be difficult. The thing about it is you'll never know unless you try it, and once you've tried it, you can't unlearn what you've learned.
For me, it has been difficult, but for the most part I'd say I'm doing alright. I have a good friend who isn't. DMT has taught me, more than anything, that you can't rely on others (as in any human being who has ever lived) for answers to life's ultimate question. There are some helpful suggestions, but in the end nobody knows. It's a hard lesson to learn, but it's helped me, if not let go, than relax a little bit when facing the mysteries of the universe. 

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should i approach it slowly (start with 5mg, move on to 10, 15, 20, and so forth ) till i feel comfortable with the intensity?
any other advise would be greatly appreciated. I have some experience with LSD ( about 5 - 6 ), and looking to expand a little further.
Maybe? That's how I've done it, and I think it's worked out okay. At the same time, had I blasted off right away,  I probably wouldn't have the fear-based hesitation I have now. It's ultimately up to you. Here's the best description of a full-blown DMT experience I've ever read. It's a CLEARNET link fyi http://miqel.com/entheogens/dmt_first_time_report.html
Title: Re: new to dmt
Post by: DayDreamer on January 28, 2013, 03:51 pm
thanks guys.. really helpful there...
+1 karma to both yous..
:D
Title: Re: new to dmt
Post by: RaFaeL5 on January 28, 2013, 04:38 pm
I had my first DMT-smoking-experience yesterday,
had lots of difficulties finding it on the local markte an didn't want to try it from SR the first time...so it took me almost 2 years before finding it around here. That's ok, most of that time was also used as a "preparation" for the experience and I believe such thing's shouldn't be forced - it comes when the time is right.

I went "up" three times in 10 minutes.
The first one was only light visuals, no trip.
The second was a "cartoon-ish" visual in trip, very light. I could see the "door" in the distance, but was not able to go in that direction...still, it felt like "coming home", very pleasant and relaxing. Maybe 2, 3 minutes or so. I also felt the presence of an "entity", but couldn't really see him - it's more like I could see him because he made a little discrepancy in what I was seeing - he stood "behind" the cartoonish visuals... a small, fat man pointing at me and laughing... I'm not shure if he was laughing at me or with me, but he wasn't scary or violent or agressive or whatever... so no worries there and I'll probably be seeing him again pretty soon.
The third was similar to the first.

But, I felt like my lips were burned where I had put the straw... so I guess I burned the stuff...
After that, I "prepared" it for a friend, whose lips didn't burn at all - so I guess I didn't burn his stuff...that's a good sign: I'm learning  :D
(I'm using a glas chemical tube with a cork on it, 2 holes in the cork and a straw in 1 of those 2 holes)

Will do it again with a more experienced friend.
Hope he'll show me "the way".

But, damn, that stuff really runs away from the heat - I did my research and was prepared for it, but I didn't expect it to be running away so quickly and so hard.
Title: Re: new to dmt
Post by: DayDreamer on January 29, 2013, 04:19 am
i have  a few more questions, about ROA, specifically smoking.
i read that some people smoke it on top of weed in a joing or a bong or a pipe... mostly pipe.
i also read somewhere that weed tends to affect the DMT trip in a certain way.. weed seems to subdue dreaming, and if DMT is similar to being in a dream state, then it follows that smoking it with weed would result in a subdued trip... is this true? has anyone tried it with and without weed and felt the difference?
also, i am a regular weed smoker.. very regular... do i need to stop smoking for a few days before my first DMT journey? is it necessary? if i choose to smoke the DMt without weed, would i still need to cleanse my body of the cannabinoids to have a "better" dmt experience?
weed also induces anxiety, which could theoretically increase exponentially in a DMT trip, which might lead to a bad trip... has anyone had this specific experience ?
i do not want to get into a bad trip, as i had one on acid, and it wasnt pretty.. although in retrospect a very important event which had a profound , positive impact on my life.

thanks!
and more karma to you guys...
Title: Re: new to dmt
Post by: #slothrop on January 29, 2013, 04:38 am
i have  a few more questions, about ROA, specifically smoking.
i read that some people smoke it on top of weed in a joing or a bong or a pipe... mostly pipe.
i also read somewhere that weed tends to affect the DMT trip in a certain way.. weed seems to subdue dreaming, and if DMT is similar to being in a dream state, then it follows that smoking it with weed would result in a subdued trip... is this true? has anyone tried it with and without weed and felt the difference?
also, i am a regular weed smoker.. very regular... do i need to stop smoking for a few days before my first DMT journey? is it necessary? if i choose to smoke the DMt without weed, would i still need to cleanse my body of the cannabinoids to have a "better" dmt experience?
weed also induces anxiety, which could theoretically increase exponentially in a DMT trip, which might lead to a bad trip... has anyone had this specific experience ?
i do not want to get into a bad trip, as i had one on acid, and it wasnt pretty.. although in retrospect a very important event which had a profound , positive impact on my life.

thanks!
and more karma to you guys...
I don't think weed will do much one way or the other. I seriously doubt anything can "subdue" a DMT trip. As for the bad trip, it's not quite the same thing due to the nature of the two drugs. LSD comes on slow an lasts a long time, so the bad trip follows in that manner. A bad trip on DMT is like being ripped out of your body while trying desperately to hold as the universe dissolves into pure trip. Little doses don't produce this effect. If you want to build up slowly start with just enough of lightly coat the surface of a dime.
Title: Re: new to dmt
Post by: kesser on January 29, 2013, 05:30 am
I too am also looking to experience my first DMT trip soon, am waiting for a bit of money to come in and then i shall purchase some from SR.

I've been reading tons of trip reports from bluelight, its a great forum for finding links on all sorts of drug reports/trip reports.

Have a look in trip reports they're usually a couple of DMT reports lurking around.
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/forums/40-Trip-Reports
Title: Re: new to dmt
Post by: KazushiS58 on January 29, 2013, 12:24 pm
I've been very interested in trying some DMT for a long time now. I've not purchased any yet however as I'm looking to get a bit more experience with psychedelics like LSD first, I will be tripping next this weekend.

Basically I just want to say thanks to everyone who's posted in this thread, it's been very informative and helpful. There are quite  few things I either didn't know or I've received bad info from somewhere and you guys have helped clear them up for me.
Title: Re: new to dmt
Post by: DayDreamer on January 29, 2013, 01:12 pm
i have  a few more questions, about ROA, specifically smoking.
i read that some people smoke it on top of weed in a joing or a bong or a pipe... mostly pipe.
i also read somewhere that weed tends to affect the DMT trip in a certain way.. weed seems to subdue dreaming, and if DMT is similar to being in a dream state, then it follows that smoking it with weed would result in a subdued trip... is this true? has anyone tried it with and without weed and felt the difference?
also, i am a regular weed smoker.. very regular... do i need to stop smoking for a few days before my first DMT journey? is it necessary? if i choose to smoke the DMt without weed, would i still need to cleanse my body of the cannabinoids to have a "better" dmt experience?
weed also induces anxiety, which could theoretically increase exponentially in a DMT trip, which might lead to a bad trip... has anyone had this specific experience ?
i do not want to get into a bad trip, as i had one on acid, and it wasnt pretty.. although in retrospect a very important event which had a profound , positive impact on my life.

thanks!
and more karma to you guys...
I don't think weed will do much one way or the other. I seriously doubt anything can "subdue" a DMT trip. As for the bad trip, it's not quite the same thing due to the nature of the two drugs. LSD comes on slow an lasts a long time, so the bad trip follows in that manner. A bad trip on DMT is like being ripped out of your body while trying desperately to hold as the universe dissolves into pure trip. Little doses don't produce this effect. If you want to build up slowly start with just enough of lightly coat the surface of a dime.

so the trick is to just let go and let the trip take you where it wants to take you?
would that work to get rid of anxiety and fear?

i tried a very small hit of DMT last night.. and what astonished me most was that as i was holding the pipe, ready to light it up, the anticipation and anxiety and fear took over, and a sudden feeling of respect for the drug. Also, it seemed like the DMT was saying "be careful brother....."

I took a very small hit.. prolly 2mg, just to get a feel for it.. and wow.......
just fucking wow......
even threshold effects are very interesting.
the wierd feeling.... the melting walls, the magnetic field-like subtle fractals forming out of my computer screen were just amazing, and everything felt kinda surreal.... like everything.. the room, the walls, the curtains.....
phew....

but i did realise that i am still quite afraid of it.....

BTW.. thats JoR's DMT we are talking about, in case anyone cares.....
Title: Re: new to dmt
Post by: RaFaeL5 on January 29, 2013, 02:54 pm
so the trick is to just let go and let the trip take you where it wants to take you?
would that work to get rid of anxiety and fear?

isn't that always the trick: don't fight the trip. if it brings you somewhere scary, lett it happen - there is something you've got to learn there and the more you'll resist it, the stronger and painfuller it'll be...

i tried a very small hit of DMT last night.. and what astonished me most was that as i was holding the pipe, ready to light it up, the anticipation and anxiety and fear took over, and a sudden feeling of respect for the drug. Also, it seemed like the DMT was saying "be careful brother....."
I took a very small hit.. prolly 2mg, just to get a feel for it.. and wow.......
when I read this, I'm not shure you only took 2mg... did you use a scale or just eyeballed it?

but i did realise that i am still quite afraid of it.....
something everyone is telling me is: "respect it" and when you are afraid of something most of the time you will also respect it's potential... which is exactly what you should do with psychoactive substances, tmho
Title: Re: new to dmt
Post by: DayDreamer on January 29, 2013, 06:54 pm
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isn't that always the trick: don't fight the trip. if it brings you somewhere scary, lett it happen - there is something you've got to learn there and the more you'll resist it, the stronger and painfuller it'll be...
yup. true that. just confirming.. that's the mistake I made on a very powerful acid trip.. was holding on to reality and got into a negative loop... not pretty.. and no sitter either....
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when I read this, I'm not shure you only took 2mg... did you use a scale or just eyeballed it?
eyeballed. may have been 3 - 5. not too sure.. but definitely not more than 5. the effects were pretty much there, but nothing around me changed so much that I could not recognise it. Also, half way into it I got a phone call and answered it and spoke.. all normal...
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something everyone is telling me is: "respect it" and when you are afraid of something most of the time you will also respect it's potential... which is exactly what you should do with psychoactive substances, tmho
absolutely agree...
Title: Re: new to dmt
Post by: monrovia on January 31, 2013, 08:59 pm
Just another question... I know it was suggested that I just mix it in with weed, but I can easily get one of those freebase pipes with the big sphere on the end. I was wondering if there are some who think using this would me more efficient. I'm only getting 100mg's, so I want to make the most of itt and get as close to "breaking through" as I can...
Title: Re: new to dmt
Post by: valakki on January 31, 2013, 09:25 pm
Hi there!
Im also new to the magic of dmt. I started building a "machine" today. sorta....... i got a nice glass vinegar bottle but i think it will shatter when i punch the hole on it. so instead of that i got my good old trusty wooden ganja pipe with a screwable head.  i  punched a small hole on a plastic bottle, screwed the head on it.  im gonna put my metal mesh thingy (holding the dose) into that pipe head.
Do you guy think this will work? its kinda like the machine but the flame is not touching the bottle at all.
in the original idea the glass is conducting the heat too, in this one its only the metal mesh... What do you think?
I'm gonna give it a try tomorrow.... first time! YAY
Title: Re: new to dmt
Post by: Pelevin on February 01, 2013, 12:10 am
Hi there!
Im also new to the magic of dmt. I started building a "machine" today. sorta....... i got a nice glass vinegar bottle but i think it will shatter when i punch the hole on it. so instead of that i got my good old trusty wooden ganja pipe with a screwable head.  i  punched a small hole on a plastic bottle, screwed the head on it.  im gonna put my metal mesh thingy (holding the dose) into that pipe head.
Do you guy think this will work? its kinda like the machine but the flame is not touching the bottle at all.
in the original idea the glass is conducting the heat too, in this one its only the metal mesh... What do you think?
I'm gonna give it a try tomorrow.... first time! YAY

Take a picture. I am also interested.
Title: Re: new to dmt
Post by: valakki on February 01, 2013, 11:03 am
Hi there!
Im also new to the magic of dmt. I started building a "machine" today. sorta....... i got a nice glass vinegar bottle but i think it will shatter when i punch the hole on it. so instead of that i got my good old trusty wooden ganja pipe with a screwable head.  i  punched a small hole on a plastic bottle, screwed the head on it.  im gonna put my metal mesh thingy (holding the dose) into that pipe head.
Do you guy think this will work? its kinda like the machine but the flame is not touching the bottle at all.
in the original idea the glass is conducting the heat too, in this one its only the metal mesh... What do you think?
I'm gonna give it a try tomorrow.... first time! YAY

Take a picture. I am also interested.

well it works.... i only took a small hit since this is my first time. i did not blast off but that thing is spitting smoke like a dragon. I need to make another hole on it so  can clear the chamber faster but that's it. No comment on comparing it to the original of course.
Dosing: i just rolled my metal mesh in the dmt.. its still holding a nice dose. Did not taste that bad i actually kinda like it but i guess with bigger hits its gonna be a challenge.
Ill take a picture when i can. Could take a while.... 
Im going for another hit! but im gonna research about redosing first...

edit: well its not that good. Im gonna continue building a glass bottle machine.
Title: Re: new to dmt
Post by: Pelevin on February 01, 2013, 01:09 pm
I hope it works out fine for you, I just ordered my first dose and now I have to build a machine too.
Title: Re: new to dmt
Post by: valakki on February 01, 2013, 03:57 pm
i built the proper machine. holy fucking hell
reality is painted in new colors! i did not go far, i did not break through but it did repaint my world... im still coughing. I got so much smoke i could not inhale it all... dmt vaporizes very fucking fast!!! i got 3 memories. smoke is coming ! then bliss! then i saw the new colors and now im back...  fuck.. i love this! and im only scratching the surface!
If you use the machine try to preheat the mesh, dip it into the dmt it will melt it and stick it to the metal. after this place the metal into the machine light the lighter far away from it and slowly start pulling it closer!
dont mess with plastic shit, it was very easy to make the proper machine. The glass did break more than i wanted (the whole bottom and a bit of the side) but i taped it with duct tape and its prefect!

shit im a druggie i want to go for another hit....  the whole house smells like dmt.... good luck and be safe this is a magical chemical. your experience will be amazing. know your set and setting.
i ordered mine from DRShrooms (not sure i spelled it correct) . A mix of white and yellow. I recommend him. fast and good stuff.
Title: Re: new to dmt
Post by: Evanescence on February 01, 2013, 06:20 pm
The anti-depressants (SSRI's) thing is 100% true.

If you are on prozac or anything in that class your trip will be 10-20% of what it would normally be.

If you want something psychedelic Ketamine will work no problem, although it's a different experience.

Also do not try and go cold turkey off your SSRI's to have a good DMT trip.  The withdrawal symptoms will make your trip evil and scary.

Title: Re: new to dmt
Post by: murungu on February 01, 2013, 07:14 pm
I read on Erowid that 5 MeO DMT was a better option as there is no risk of getting one of those horror DMT  trips.

Anyone experienced with both chems out there/in here?
Title: Re: new to dmt
Post by: moonflower on February 02, 2013, 12:47 am
I read on Erowid that 5 MeO DMT was a better option as there is no risk of getting one of those horror DMT  trips.

Anyone experienced with both chems out there/in here?
i have yet to try 5-meo-dmt, but i can tell you it won't be any less intense than dmt. the main difference is 5-meo-dmt is generally more aural, less visual. oftentimes there are no visuals at all. many people experience "the void" or nonexistence. seems scarier than dmt to me!
Title: Re: new to dmt
Post by: valakki on February 03, 2013, 09:22 pm
i did 5-meo-dmt. small dose. nasal. ( this works that way too).
 it had a stronger smell and taste than the dmt i got and it was red-brown looking. burned like absolute hell.
was not visual at all. all i got was silence. whoos. no thoughts and nothing. complete bliss. no auditory or visual or other sensory fx.
short acting. i only did threshold - low doses. twice. same thing happened. cleared my head. a bit of inner peace.
I had absolutely nothing going on in my head.
nice chemical.  if you do proper doses it will take you to ego death very fast. i think it can cause visual distortion at higher doses but nothing like its brother.
Title: Re: new to dmt
Post by: RaFaeL5 on February 08, 2013, 07:59 pm
so, when I heat my DMT in my test tube,
at first is melts into 1 droplet of liquid DMT,
then it starts to evaporate (at least that's what I asume)
and then there is white smoke coming into the test tube.

My question is: is the white smoke a sign that I am burning my DMT or is it supposed to behave like this when it's evaporating?

I'd love to know...
Title: Re: new to dmt
Post by: valakki on February 08, 2013, 10:41 pm
the white smoke is not smoke. thats vapor.
its gonna vape very fucking fast ! be careful. i wasted some accidentally like that because i wasn't ready for it. it vapes under 100 Celsius.  just don't let the flame touch it and it should be fine.
Title: Re: new to dmt
Post by: RaFaeL5 on February 09, 2013, 08:04 am
the white smoke is not smoke. thats vapor.
its gonna vape very fucking fast ! be careful. i wasted some accidentally like that because i wasn't ready for it. it vapes under 100 Celsius.  just don't let the flame touch it and it should be fine.

thank you for your reply,
much appreciated & +1 karma for you!
Title: Re: new to dmt
Post by: jhancock1984 on February 10, 2013, 05:49 pm
If it tastes like burnt plasticy death it's smoke and you're burning it.

If it tastes like a waxy plastic it's vapor.

You can certainly burn it without touching a flame to it.
Title: Re: new to dmt
Post by: oldtoby on February 10, 2013, 07:28 pm
the white smoke is not smoke. thats vapor.
its gonna vape very fucking fast ! be careful. i wasted some accidentally like that because i wasn't ready for it. it vapes under 100 Celsius.  just don't let the flame touch it and it should be fine.

This is what I was going to ask wrt vaping - temp recommendations?
Title: Re: new to dmt
Post by: valakki on February 10, 2013, 09:10 pm
the white smoke is not smoke. thats vapor.
its gonna vape very fucking fast ! be careful. i wasted some accidentally like that because i wasn't ready for it. it vapes under 100 Celsius.  just don't let the flame touch it and it should be fine.

This is what I was going to ask wrt vaping - temp recommendations?

hold the lighter way under the bowl and slowly start lifting it up. the hot air rushing up from the flame should be enough to vaporize it.  that's how i did it.
i cant give you exact temperatures. gonna have to research that....
about the smell: the vaped smoke should have the same smell as the crystal.  same taste etc. as hancock said if it smells or tastes different that means you are burning it.
Title: Re: new to dmt
Post by: fractalglobal on February 10, 2013, 09:56 pm
A trick that I use is to cover the airholes (light globe based pipe) with 2 fingers while heating, keep them there even as the vapour starts forming until the globe is completely opaque, then remove both fingers and start inhaling while still heating.  After 300+ trips that would still make me break through from a single inhalation.
Title: Re: new to dmt
Post by: Joey Terrifying on February 17, 2013, 02:48 am
i broke through the first time i tried it.  i just loaded a big pile into a meth pipe, exhaled hard, and just inhaled for about 40 seconds straight while holding a torch under the bulb.  obviously i burnt the shit out of it, but boy did i trip out hard!  it was exhilarating and very intriguing, so i repeated that procedure later that day. 

well, a week later i had a really strong acid trip that played heavily on the mystery of what happened during my DMT trips.  well, to make a long trip-story short, i totally unraveled and devolved into a purely paranoid schizophrenic state.  it took months and months to recover from that trip.  and really i haven't been the same since.

after about 5 years of obsessing over these events i started wanting to want to try DMT again, but it was hard.  one of the first times i tried to pick up the pipe again and do it i got the shakes so bad that I couldn't properly do it and had someone else hold the lighter for me.  obviously i only smoked a little bit and called it off.

then i got smart and got a glass vapor genie.  i had no idea you could experience DMT without feeling like you're suffocating on melted plastic.  so that was step one.  then i realized that smoking just a little DMT is wonderful, euphoric, titillating, and refreshing.  it also tempts you to keep going and do more.

Its been a lot of fun getting into DMT for real this time.  i don't do more than i can handle, but am getting more and more comfortable adjusting to the space it puts you in. 

anyway, DMT is great, just don't get cocky with it.  it can and will blow your mind apart if you bite off more than you can chew.  but if you respect it and take your time it is a truly beautiful thing
Title: Re: new to dmt
Post by: oldtoby on February 17, 2013, 06:55 pm
Eep. Thanks, Joey Terrifying. I've been hanging back waiting for a good time to get into the DMT, and was wondering about effects of other recent psychs interacting (in this case one of the NBOMe but more likely on other days LSD).

Do people advise waiting out typical psych tolerance periods (1 or 2 weeks) before DMT, or was that just a case of too much too hard along with the acid, JT?
Title: Re: new to dmt
Post by: RaFaeL5 on February 18, 2013, 05:40 pm
OK - so snorting is an option, but it hurts as hell...

so here's the question: did anyone try snorting DMT together with something else (such as coke) to have less pain,
or tried to snort it just after another line from something else (again, I'm mainly thinking about C).

Does it help?
Would it help?
Any suggestions?

Title: Re: new to dmt
Post by: valakki on February 19, 2013, 12:09 am
OK - so snorting is an option, but it hurts as hell...

so here's the question: did anyone try snorting DMT together with something else (such as coke) to have less pain,
or tried to snort it just after another line from something else (again, I'm mainly thinking about C).

Does it help?
Would it help?
Any suggestions?

only 5-meo-dmt works snorted! Dmt only works if you smoke it freebase, iv(or im? i dunno), or take it oral or smoked with maoi!
Title: Re: new to dmt
Post by: RaFaeL5 on February 19, 2013, 10:47 am
OK - so snorting is an option, but it hurts as hell...

so here's the question: did anyone try snorting DMT together with something else (such as coke) to have less pain,
or tried to snort it just after another line from something else (again, I'm mainly thinking about C).

Does it help?
Would it help?
Any suggestions?

only 5-meo-dmt works snorted! Dmt only works if you smoke it freebase, iv(or im? i dunno), or take it oral or smoked with maoi!

OK - so anyone has any experience snorting 5-meo-dmt in combo with something else to reduce the "f*c*i*g burning feeling in your nose"?
Title: Re: new to dmt
Post by: fractalglobal on February 19, 2013, 03:17 pm
Any of the 'caines should theoretically work, cocaine/lidocaine etc.  Essentially, any local anesthetic that would not damage soft tissue, and can be snorted.

That being said, I really don't see the point in snorting DMT.(or 5-meo-DMT)  One of the best parts of the trip is the takeoff, given the slower absorption rate from insufflation, I can't see it being anywhere near as good.  Added to that, the decrease in bioavailability from that particular ROA, makes me less willing to consider it.

Title: Re: new to dmt
Post by: Skeezer on February 21, 2013, 01:05 am
So I have to say I'm a little bit let down. Today I got the chance to try this drug for the first time, along with two friends. A little background info -

This took place midday, outside, and in a calm environment. The last drug I used (not cannabis) was 25C NBOMe a good month ago. We used a wooden VaporGenie purchased specifically for DMT. For each of us, a thin layer of mint was put on top of three screens followed by 50mg of DMT. Me being much more experienced with psychedelics than them, we agreed that I would take a turn watching over them and once they came down they'd watch over me.

Okay. Friend one takes one big-ass puff, forces another one off the residue down, and is knocked on his ass. Got a bit windy at this point so friend two struggled with his first hit but on the second was also knocked on his ass. They started coming down maybe ten minutes later apparantly having the most intense experience of their lives. All friend one could manage for the next ten minutes was 'holy shit' while friend two just laughed in disbelief. My turn! I decide I want to 'smoke' it so I take the pipe's top compartment off, load up my 50mg and light up, making sure not to touch the DMT with the flame. I wait until the DMT disappears, only a little residue was left on the leaf. I hold in my hit for as long as possible and exhale. Almost immediately I have a rushing sensation throughout my whole body. I decide to load up another 20mg or so for kicks and breathe that in as well. These two consecutive hits took place within a minute. I layed back on my blanket and waited. All I can really describe was my breathing becoming inaudible as well as my heartbeat racing. The sky turned ever so slightly red and 'melty'. That was the extent of my five minute 'trip', followed by a good half hour of euphoria and wonder.

Congrats! You've read my book. I now want to know what I did wrong. Let me stress that I was not unaffected by this substance - it's just that my experience was no where near what I've read and what my friends were attempting to describe and I'm quite let down. I was very careful not to burn the DMT and we all determined that I indeed hadn't. According to erowid, I had 10mg over what is considered a strong dose of this substance and I know for a fact my scale is accurate. Did they have their breakthroughs because they vaped and I decided to just use the bottom half of the genie? Is there a better technique than just taking my full hits and setting the pipe down? Was my experience normal and you kind of just have to get lucky with the breakthroughs as I've read in some locations? Should I maybe just try reloading it up until I'm physically unable to take another hit and drop the pipe? Thanks a lot guys, answers in the next two days before I try again would be wonderful.
Title: Re: new to dmt
Post by: jhancock1984 on February 21, 2013, 05:15 pm
My first breakthrough was off one big hit.  It's very important to make sure you're vaping the DMT and not burning it.  The best way to tell this is by the taste (if it tastes like burnt plasticy death you're doing it wrong).  Just because you didn't touch the flame to the DMT doesn't mean you didn't burn it.  The shit's barely solid at room temperature and vaporizes at like 200f I believe.

When you get the big one you'll know it.  It's like smoking weed or anything else.  When you get that hit that you know is going to put you on your ass you know long before you exhale.

For me I just hit it hard.  I loaded a good amount, held my lighter where it needed to be, and inhaled deeply.

A lot of Terrance McKenna wisdom gets passed around in the DMT community but that was what worked for him.  I've learned I need to disregard everything he said and figure it out for myself because that's life.

Anyway keep at it.  I probably went through a half a gram if not more before I had my first breakthrough.  I had some crazy unexplainable experiences along the way for sure and I wasted a lot of DMT at the beginning by burning it.  I think that's just how it goes for most people.

Play around with it until you find your own sweet spot and your own method.