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Title: 4-MAR, 4-EAR (FEAR) and similar exclusive stims
Post by: dddsrf on August 21, 2012, 07:11 am
Would be loveley to see these offered from trusted vendors. Since they are very expensive, hard to find and tricky to synthesize it would be difficult for someone without reputation to sell it because of the scam risk.
Title: Re: 4-MAR, 4-EAR (FEAR) and similar exclusive stims
Post by: john_snow_da_bastard on August 21, 2012, 09:35 am
Good luck with that. There's an army of us who have checked for these daily since the.dawn of time.

We need more SE Asian vendors. That would solve the 4-mar problem.

And whats the word on 4-ear? I.thought it was going to debut on the RC.scene this year.
Title: Re: 4-MAR, 4-EAR (FEAR) and similar exclusive stims
Post by: icm on April 27, 2013, 06:00 pm
in case anyone else finds this useful, there is a polish vendor twobytwo@Safe-mail.net selling 4-EAR, placed a test order, will let you know how it goes.
Title: Re: 4-MAR, 4-EAR (FEAR) and similar exclusive stims
Post by: modalsol on April 27, 2013, 10:47 pm
About a month ago DrugApe had some 4-MAR in but it was the freebase. He said the Hydrochloride would be available soon after (because fuck snorting a freebase) but he kept delaying it and eventually the freebase disappeared so I couldn't even get that. About a week ago I gave up. I hope he makes some more, if there's enough interest in this thread he may, who knows?
Title: Re: 4-MAR, 4-EAR (FEAR) and similar exclusive stims
Post by: tree on April 30, 2013, 08:14 pm
Drug Ape is highly suspected of being an LEO or a scammer.. I wouldn't really trust him. The freebase is fine for eating and better for smoking so it wouldn't have been so bad. If you want the hydrochloride salt you can make it yourself.. Just put your freebase in hydrochloric acid and you get your salt.
Title: Re: 4-MAR, 4-EAR (FEAR) and similar exclusive stims
Post by: Chaosforpeace on May 02, 2013, 01:35 am
A 4-mar vendor would make mad bank on here.

Chaos
Title: Re: 4-MAR, 4-EAR (FEAR) and similar exclusive stims
Post by: Jack N Hoff on May 04, 2013, 03:44 am
in case anyone else finds this useful, there is a polish vendor twobytwo@Safe-mail.net selling 4-EAR, placed a test order, will let you know how it goes.

icm places an order with someone that vends a rare chemical on LHG and hasn't logged in since 10 days after placing the order.  Eight months later now, still never to be heard from again. 

I think I'll try to place an order now!
Title: Re: 4-MAR, 4-EAR (FEAR) and similar exclusive stims
Post by: shulginsindex on May 06, 2013, 03:51 am
It can be done as long as people can finance the synthesis. People ask for loads of different hard to make chemicals but cant finance Rnd costs. It is most def possible
Title: Re: 4-MAR, 4-EAR (FEAR) and similar exclusive stims
Post by: dryice on May 07, 2013, 10:07 am
Drug Ape is highly suspected of being an LEO or a scammer.. I wouldn't really trust him. The freebase is fine for eating and better for smoking so it wouldn't have been so bad. If you want the hydrochloride salt you can make it yourself.. Just put your freebase in hydrochloric acid and you get your salt.
This Is wrong brother, well sort of. you need to add hydrochloric acid of very high purity to a solution of freebase and solvent. If you add to much HCL Acid you will just dissolve all the 4-mar into the water.

The best way is to create hcl gas and bubble this through the 4-mar and toluene solution, it needs to be dry, then you will see snow falling from the solution, filter and gas solution again until no snow falls. rinse your crystals with acetone let em dry and your away brother.
   
Title: Re: 4-MAR, 4-EAR (FEAR) and similar exclusive stims
Post by: tree on May 07, 2013, 01:53 pm
Drug Ape is highly suspected of being an LEO or a scammer.. I wouldn't really trust him. The freebase is fine for eating and better for smoking so it wouldn't have been so bad. If you want the hydrochloride salt you can make it yourself.. Just put your freebase in hydrochloric acid and you get your salt.
This Is wrong brother, well sort of. you need to add hydrochloric acid of very high purity to a solution of freebase and solvent. If you add to much HCL Acid you will just dissolve all the 4-mar into the water.

The best way is to create hcl gas and bubble this through the 4-mar and toluene solution, it needs to be dry, then you will see snow falling from the solution, filter and gas solution again until no snow falls. rinse your crystals with acetone let em dry and your away brother.
Sure, I was saying how to basically do it, not giving actual instructions..
Title: Re: 4-MAR, 4-EAR (FEAR) and similar exclusive stims
Post by: krazy4 on May 07, 2013, 03:11 pm
I know how to synthesize Trans 4-Methylaminorex. (4-mar)
The trans isomer is extremely potent.

The problem is, I cannot track down norephedrine-HCl anymore. If anyone has a source I would be greatly interested in producing this stimulant.
Title: Re: 4-MAR, 4-EAR (FEAR) and similar exclusive stims
Post by: fractalglobal on May 07, 2013, 10:38 pm
Indeed, you'll find there are quite a few people who would jump at the chance to synth 4-MAR but are restricted from acquiring phenylpropanolamine required for it, myself included!
Title: Re: 4-MAR, 4-EAR (FEAR) and similar exclusive stims
Post by: krazy4 on May 08, 2013, 02:36 am
Indeed, you'll find there are quite a few people who would jump at the chance to synth 4-MAR but are restricted from acquiring phenylpropanolamine required for it, myself included!

Why would you want to start with phenylpropanolamine? You don't want the 50% norpseudoephedrine that comes in phenylpropanolamine.
Title: Re: 4-MAR, 4-EAR (FEAR) and similar exclusive stims
Post by: Limetless on May 08, 2013, 05:07 am
Good luck with that. There's an army of us who have checked for these daily since the.dawn of time.

We need more SE Asian vendors. That would solve the 4-mar problem.

And whats the word on 4-ear? I.thought it was going to debut on the RC.scene this year.

That wouldn't solve the 4-MAR problem at all, the SE vendors shit themselves about it because of the fact the reflux produced loads of Cyanide gas during the process. Making the shit is so easy in theory nearly anyone can do it because it's just a simple reflux....apart from matter of all the lovely Cyanide gas.

And you wouldn't want to start with phenylpropanolamine either. 
Title: Re: 4-MAR, 4-EAR (FEAR) and similar exclusive stims
Post by: fractalglobal on May 08, 2013, 07:05 am
I should amend that, I prefer phenylpropanolamine because you can synth 4-MAR from one of the isomers, and D-amphetamine from the other... its chemists heaven.
Title: Re: 4-MAR, 4-EAR (FEAR) and similar exclusive stims
Post by: Limetless on May 08, 2013, 07:10 am
I should amend that, I prefer phenylpropanolamine because you can synth 4-MAR from one of the isomers, and D-amphetamine from the other... its chemists heaven.

Ah yeah from that perspective the phenylpropanolamine route is a money-maker.
Title: Re: 4-MAR, 4-EAR (FEAR) and similar exclusive stims
Post by: fractalglobal on May 10, 2013, 05:38 am
Yeah, I first stumbled across it when researching alkaloid content of ephedra plants.  The most common alkaloid found in Ma Huang(Ephedra Sinica) is Ephedrine, after that, Norephedrine.  A police report into a meth lab using ephedra as a precursor found that the end product was made up of D-Methamphetamine, D-Amphetamine, and d-N,N-dimethylamphetamine.(From the 3rd most common alkaloid, N-methylephedrine.)

From this I gather that D-amphetamine should be achievable with a fairly simple Birch reduction of Norephedrine, hence my interest in Phenylpropanolamine.

Title: Re: 4-MAR, 4-EAR (FEAR) and similar exclusive stims
Post by: bamoida2 on May 10, 2013, 11:03 am
it really sucks that norephedrine(phenylpropanolamine) seems to be so hard to acquire, the synthesis of it is so easy, even a chemistry noob could do it safely (implying precautions against the fumes are applied)

I think there are still some flu pill that contain PPA on the market, but in very low dosages (4-10mg per pill if i'm correct)
Title: Re: 4-MAR, 4-EAR (FEAR) and similar exclusive stims
Post by: KawaiiDesu on May 10, 2013, 07:48 pm
I am very interested to try out 4-Methylaminorex (4-MAR). Would love to see it on SR. :)
Title: Re: 4-MAR, 4-EAR (FEAR) and similar exclusive stims
Post by: krazy4 on May 10, 2013, 08:22 pm
it really sucks that norephedrine(phenylpropanolamine) seems to be so hard to acquire, the synthesis of it is so easy, even a chemistry noob could do it safely (implying precautions against the fumes are applied)

I think there are still some flu pill that contain PPA on the market, but in very low dosages (4-10mg per pill if i'm correct)

This is what is stopping this compound from being on the road. I have completed this synthesis awhile ago when I had a  norephderine hydrochloride source. They now went under and I have no way to track down a source. I have been looking everywhere. Anyone please get in contact with me, I'm serious.

Once I track down another source, I will make this amazing compound for you fellow silkroaders.
Trans 4-Methylaminorex the stimulant of the future!
Title: Re: 4-MAR, 4-EAR (FEAR) and similar exclusive stims
Post by: tree on May 10, 2013, 09:43 pm
Drug Ape is going to make some 4-MAR again soon apparently. Maybe it's worth looking into :
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=158099.0#msg1112419
Title: Re: 4-MAR, 4-EAR (FEAR) and similar exclusive stims
Post by: zipstyle on August 15, 2013, 11:07 pm
So...4-MAR, anyone?
Title: Re: 4-MAR, 4-EAR (FEAR) and similar exclusive stims
Post by: modalsol on August 16, 2013, 09:03 pm
Well in for bumping this, seems we get close then it all falls apart.
Title: Re: 4-MAR, 4-EAR (FEAR) and similar exclusive stims
Post by: flashblock v2 on August 17, 2013, 05:37 am
Drug Ape is highly suspected of being an LEO or a scammer.. I wouldn't really trust him. The freebase is fine for eating and better for smoking so it wouldn't have been so bad. If you want the hydrochloride salt you can make it yourself.. Just put your freebase in hydrochloric acid and you get your salt.
Sorry for re igniting thread.. but what evidence do you have about drugape? 
Title: Re: 4-MAR, 4-EAR (FEAR) and similar exclusive stims
Post by: tree on August 17, 2013, 06:09 pm
Drug Ape is highly suspected of being an LEO or a scammer.. I wouldn't really trust him. The freebase is fine for eating and better for smoking so it wouldn't have been so bad. If you want the hydrochloride salt you can make it yourself.. Just put your freebase in hydrochloric acid and you get your salt.
Sorry for re igniting thread.. but what evidence do you have about drugape?

On another thread he was being suspected of being ITALY and their arguments were pretty good.. I can't find that thread anymore though, I guess it got deleted.
But that was long ago when he almost didn't have any transactions at all, right now he looks pretty legit. He said he would get 4-MAR after the summer by the way.
Title: Re: 4-MAR, 4-EAR (FEAR) and similar exclusive stims
Post by: modalsol on August 17, 2013, 06:20 pm
Tree, you really are a hero! Thanks for this info. Plus this time I'm not going to be all elitist and wait for the HCl. I'd even get an oil of it if it were available!

I've only tried the 4, 4' DMAR, which wasn't bad in all honesty. Has anyone tried both to make comparisons? Of course 4-MAR will be a lot better, it's pharmacological profile looks beautiful but both would share some common characteristics (undoubtedly hypertension and increased risk of heart disease with continued use).
Title: Re: 4-MAR, 4-EAR (FEAR) and similar exclusive stims
Post by: flashblock v2 on August 18, 2013, 02:11 am
Thanks for the reply. 
Sometimes I really hate this place, all the conspiracy theories and nastiness. 
Anyway I have been in talks with DrugApe for a couple of months(i think) requesting updates, generally being a pest.. :)
I'm fascinated and hopeful that drugape will come through with the PPA required and synth this chemical!
Freebase, hcl I too don't mind.

Take it easy, and play nice!
 ;D
Title: Re: 4-MAR, 4-EAR (FEAR) and similar exclusive stims
Post by: fractalglobal on August 18, 2013, 04:45 pm
I don't think drug ape has any connection to LE.  I bought a quantity of a relatively dangerous precursor off him a few months ago, there was a slight issue with the packaging that may have been dangerous to someone who didn't know how to handle the material.  I'd say its unlikely LE would make that mistake
Likewise, if he were a selective scammer, I'm pretty much a worthwhile target for it, from Australia, not a huge amount spent, etc.


Oh, also, re: 4-MAR and PPA, Organikum(oldschool hive/SM chemist) commented on a method that anyone running a serious meth lab could use to produce PPA.  Standard procedure for meth labs is yeast assisted biotransformation of benzaldehyde to l-PAC, then reductive amination with methylamine to form ephedrine.  However if methylamine is substituted with hydroxylamine, norephedrine is formed instead.  Then react with sodium cyanide etc. Writeup by eluesis was good if anyone is keen to give it a try?

Drug ape had small amounts of 4-MAR up a while back, i was a few days late getting coins in
Title: Re: 4-MAR, 4-EAR (FEAR) and similar exclusive stims
Post by: modalsol on September 11, 2013, 07:46 pm
Buuuuump!

What's happening with Drug Ape? Anyone know?
Title: Re: 4-MAR, 4-EAR (FEAR) and similar exclusive stims
Post by: CLK on September 12, 2013, 08:59 pm
Mm, i hope he does get it in stock! (and isnt LE lol), its been on mine and many others to do lists for years! That and methaqualone and the 2 i most want to try
Title: Re: 4-MAR, 4-EAR (FEAR) and similar exclusive stims
Post by: fractalglobal on September 13, 2013, 02:27 pm
I recently managed a successful PPA synth starting from benzyl alcohol, it was more 'proof of concept' than anything else.  I decided to H3PO2/HI(fancy version of red phos and iodine) it to amphetamine though coz I'm not nearly confident enough to handle sodium cyanide refluxes.

The PPA synthesis was easy as, well, homebrewing beer  :P.
Title: Re: 4-MAR, 4-EAR (FEAR) and similar exclusive stims
Post by: zipstyle on September 18, 2013, 08:25 am
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