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Title: Best ways to enhance your roll (Molly)
Post by: yaosh on February 08, 2012, 02:55 pm
I've been hearing all kinds of things like caffeine, vitamin C, etc. will enhance your roll.  For the record, vitamin C has no effect other than possibly acting as protective agent.  What I want to know is how you enhance your roll to make it more enjoyable or last longer.  Chemically, by route of absorption, or through dietary means, not light shows, vicks inhalers, etc...

I personally prefer 200mg anhydrous caffeine + ~100mg MDMA, 1000 mcg time released B-12 (cyanocobalamin), and I take a megadose of vitamin C (2g ascorbic acid) the day before and day of the party.  I think the caffeine helps keep the MDMA from knocking you on your ass, B12 keeps the energy flow up, and the vit C may or may not help with possible neurotoxicity and isn't a bad thing during cold/flu season anyway.

Let's hear it peeps!
Title: Re: Best ways to enhance your roll (Molly)
Post by: bionic1 on February 08, 2012, 03:26 pm
as I mentioned in another thread, 5-HTP (serotonin precursor) and vitamin B6 (co-factor to convert 5-HTP into serotonin) a few hours before the MDMA. Better is to start a few days before the rolling and take 5-HTP and vit B6 daily.

A way to make the MDMA last longer is by using MAO-inhibitors, but this really dangerous and can lead to death due to the high risk of intoxication and overdose!! It depends which MAO-I is used with MDMA, because there are long lasting ones (up to 24h) and short lasting ones. There are also natural MAO-Is, which I think are a bit less dangerous. I heard that pineapple juice contains some natural MAO-I (but I'm not sure about it) and I would consider it safe to try with MDMA.

EDIT:

NEVER MIX MAOIs AND DRUGS!
MIXING MAOIs AND DRUGS MOST CERTAINLY LEADS TO DEATH!!
Title: Re: Best ways to enhance your roll (Molly)
Post by: no_pain on February 09, 2012, 09:21 am
as I mentioned in another thread, 5-HTP (serotonin precursor) and vitamin B6 (co-factor to convert 5-HTP into serotonin) a few hours before the MDMA. Better is to start a few days before the rolling and take 5-HTP and vit B6 daily.

A way to make the MDMA last longer is by using MAO-inhibitors, but this really dangerous and can lead to death due to the high risk of intoxication and overdose!! It depends which MAO-I is used with MDMA, because there are long lasting ones (up to 24h) and short lasting ones. There are also natural MAO-Is, which I think are a bit less dangerous. I heard that pineapple juice contains some natural MAO-I (but I'm not sure about it) and I would consider it safe to try with MDMA.

Please only do such things if you really really know what you are doing.
Nothing to play with!!!!

..."but this really dangerous and can lead to death due to the high risk of intoxication and overdose!"
Title: Re: Best ways to enhance your roll (Molly)
Post by: spacewasp on February 09, 2012, 05:10 pm
start taking small bumps of K when you feel you're coming down.  it will make you feel wonderful for a couple more hours
Title: Re: Best ways to enhance your roll (Molly)
Post by: redforeva on February 09, 2012, 05:18 pm
Candy Flip, smoke hash oil when you come down.
Title: Re: Best ways to enhance your roll (Molly)
Post by: 328502E on February 09, 2012, 06:28 pm
as I mentioned in another thread, 5-HTP (serotonin precursor) and vitamin B6 (co-factor to convert 5-HTP into serotonin) a few hours before the MDMA. Better is to start a few days before the rolling and take 5-HTP and vit B6 daily.

A way to make the MDMA last longer is by using MAO-inhibitors, but this really dangerous and can lead to death due to the high risk of intoxication and overdose!! It depends which MAO-I is used with MDMA, because there are long lasting ones (up to 24h) and short lasting ones. There are also natural MAO-Is, which I think are a bit less dangerous. I heard that pineapple juice contains some natural MAO-I (but I'm not sure about it) and I would consider it safe to try with MDMA.

I would advise against doing either of these things.  If you take 5htp a few days before rolling, your body will have large amounts of 5ht ready, yes - but it will ALSO downregulate the receptors and you will actually roll less.  The only case I would say this is beneficial is if you have abnormally low levels of 5ht already in your system - in which case take some 5htp maybe the morning before rolling.

Mixing MAOI's with MDMA is extremely dangerous.  While it can work, the chances are that if you had to be told that MAOI exists and that it can increase a roll, you don't know nearly enough to be using it.  As such, it's probably not a good idea to tell anyone about it - some idiot will think he knows how to be safe and just wants a better high, and will end up killing himself because he didn't actually know what he was doing.

"Long Lasting ones (up to 24 hours)" - Many MAOI are called "irreversible" MAOI.  This is because the MAO are permanently made inactive and your body must actually produce more to get some working MAO.  MAO generally takes about TWO WEEKS to fully return to normal levels.  Yes, you will have workable levels sooner than that, but it can definitely be longer than a mere 24 hours.

In short: the only MAOI you should ever take with MDMA is MAO-B selective inhibitors. 
Title: Re: Best ways to enhance your roll (Molly)
Post by: 328502E on February 09, 2012, 06:30 pm
Oh, and if you want to get the most out of your roll - I recommend eating healthy food before rolling and having a multivitamin.  It really helps your body A LOT to stock up on nutrients.  Also, take the pill / capsule rectally.  Definitely don't snort it.
Title: Re: Best ways to enhance your roll (Molly)
Post by: v01d on February 10, 2012, 12:06 am
Piracetam. Start a daily dose or two of that and your rolls will be like your first roll every time (if you properly space them out). Also eating well and exercising are two of the simplest ways to improve drug use.
Title: Re: Best ways to enhance your roll (Molly)
Post by: yaosh on February 10, 2012, 12:14 am
Piracetam. Start a daily dose or two of that and your rolls will be like your first roll every time (if you properly space them out). Also eating well and exercising are two of the simplest ways to improve drug use.

I'm curious about the chemistry on this one, I noticed if you search Amazon for capsule machines, you get bulk powder Piracetam ads up the ass lol.
Title: Re: Best ways to enhance your roll (Molly)
Post by: NeveWitch on February 10, 2012, 12:18 am
as I mentioned in another thread, 5-HTP (serotonin precursor) and vitamin B6 (co-factor to convert 5-HTP into serotonin) a few hours before the MDMA. Better is to start a few days before the rolling and take 5-HTP and vit B6 daily.

I've read a lot of experience reports that contradict this, like 328502E mentioned. 5-HTP will be helpful to restore your serotonin after your roll, but a lot of people who have preloaded with 5-HTP right before taking MDMA have reported reduced rolling experiences.

And, like v01d mentioned, piracetam appears to help. I actually have piracetam around, but I've never planned out my rolls enough to preload with piracetam, but I've read about some people having good experiences with it.
Title: Re: Best ways to enhance your roll (Molly)
Post by: towelie on February 10, 2012, 03:09 am
I noticed you make mention of OJ. I used to hear that all the time back in the day with acid.

I know that amphetamines such as meth and the like absorb poorly in an acidic environment.  What I don't know is if the same holds true for mdma.

Hopefully some of our chemist folk can come by and clarify.

As far as boosting my roll? I usually just go on an empty stomach and make sure I dose enough.  I suppose the caffeine or maybe even the smallest bit of meth would get you moving and shaking.  Mostly  all I want to do when I roll is melt into a puddle for a few hours and listen to music.

cheers!
Title: Re: Best ways to enhance your roll (Molly)
Post by: foxymeow on February 10, 2012, 03:42 am
Grapefruit juice...or whatever reason it really does increase your roll.

But most of all...get some good nootropics.  I believe tryptamine has some very good pre-mixed nootropic pills specifically for MDMA.
Title: Re: Best ways to enhance your roll (Molly)
Post by: TheNewDude on February 11, 2012, 07:19 pm
Dark chocolate is a natural MAO and tests show that it increases the effects of MDMA when taken for a week or so prior to MDMA use.

Try not to overdo it though. I would probably stick to around 1oz of dark chocolate (at least 60% cocoa) a day, excluding the day of your roll.

Also, a good diet is beneficial.

Piracetam could possibly help, but I've seen mixed reports.
Title: Re: Best ways to enhance your roll (Molly)
Post by: bionic1 on February 12, 2012, 06:53 am
@328502E

Thank you for posting. I didn't mean to list MAOI as a real option. I should have pointed out more how dangerous it is. Please excuse. I will edit my post.

I didn't knew that with the 5-HTP and down regulation. What about taking 5-HTP at the same time with the MDMA?

About the pineapple or grapefruit juice: I dont know for sure if it contains some sort of natural MAO-I. But if yes, then only in tiny amounts and that's why I consider it safe to drink some while rolling.
Title: Re: Best ways to enhance your roll (Molly)
Post by: thesilence981 on February 12, 2012, 01:35 pm
good health and good people :)

dont think about it to much, i really dont think any one thing will put you in orbit any farther, besides dark chocolate but who knows..
Title: Re: Best ways to enhance your roll (Molly)
Post by: 328502E on February 12, 2012, 10:32 pm
@328502E

Thank you for posting. I didn't mean to list MAOI as a real option. I should have pointed out more how dangerous it is. Please excuse. I will edit my post.

I didn't knew that with the 5-HTP and down regulation. What about taking 5-HTP at the same time with the MDMA?

About the pineapple or grapefruit juice: I dont know for sure if it contains some sort of natural MAO-I. But if yes, then only in tiny amounts and that's why I consider it safe to drink some while rolling.

Taking 5htp at the same time as MDMA is an option, but it won't have a very large effect.  Additionally, it tends to make people fairly nauseous, as the combination of MDMA and 5htp in the stomach at the same time synergizes well and increases the effects. 

And yes, grapefruit juice (among other things, such as red onion) contain small amounts of a natural MAOI.  You probably can't injest these in sufficient quantities to OD, so it's safer than pharmaceutical MAOI's.
Title: Re: Best ways to enhance your roll (Molly)
Post by: foxymeow on February 13, 2012, 02:24 am
@328502E

Thank you for posting. I didn't mean to list MAOI as a real option. I should have pointed out more how dangerous it is. Please excuse. I will edit my post.

I didn't knew that with the 5-HTP and down regulation. What about taking 5-HTP at the same time with the MDMA?

About the pineapple or grapefruit juice: I dont know for sure if it contains some sort of natural MAO-I. But if yes, then only in tiny amounts and that's why I consider it safe to drink some while rolling.

Taking 5htp at the same time as MDMA is an option, but it won't have a very large effect.  Additionally, it tends to make people fairly nauseous, as the combination of MDMA and 5htp in the stomach at the same time synergizes well and increases the effects. 

And yes, grapefruit juice (among other things, such as red onion) contain small amounts of a natural MAOI.  You probably can't injest these in sufficient quantities to OD, so it's safer than pharmaceutical MAOI's.

A lot of things have a hint of an MAOI effect but are not reall significant or dangerous. Grapefruit does have some reactions with some heart medication but as far as REC drugs go, Hunter S Thompson was an avid lover of grapefruits as they helped shore up his immune system when on drugs.


However, I have found that taking a full dose of molly usually ends up with a TERRIBLE comedown. I much prefer to take a small dose such as 70mg with psychedelics to enhance them as that has no comedown at all. You don't get that shitty depressed feeling if you take a smaller dose with a psychedelic. 10mg 4-ACO-DMT, 20mg AMT, a hit of LSD, and 70mg MDMA is MAGICAL.
Title: Re: Best ways to enhance your roll (Molly)
Post by: LexusMiles on February 13, 2012, 02:48 am
How to enhance your role...

legal: SAM-e, L-Tryptophan

less legal: 2C-B, MXE, K
Title: Re: Best ways to enhance your roll (Molly)
Post by: Aliahad on February 13, 2012, 03:14 am
A bit off topic, but there was some talk about MAOIs and I have a few questions on those. After using MAOIs (in my case, smoked in changa) how long would it be until your body is back to normal? And during that period what can you not take?
Title: Re: Best ways to enhance your roll (Molly)
Post by: foxymeow on February 13, 2012, 03:47 am
How to enhance your role...

legal: SAM-e, L-Tryptophan

less legal: 2C-B, MXE, K

AMT is much better than 2c-b for enhancing molly :D
Title: Re: Best ways to enhance your roll (Molly)
Post by: dr octagon on February 13, 2012, 06:48 am
I agree that 5-HTP is a no-no before rolling.  Good for 3-5 days after to help replenish. Not something I would take as a regular supplement based on the limited info out there.

The best things you can do are be well slept,  eat light and healthy and make sure your set and setting are as good as can be.

With gear as good as the best gear on SR the vitamins/minerals/juices are superfluous.

I do think a little bit of caffeine helps if you want a late night with pure molly,  but personally am not a fan of it.

I think the main thing is not to dose too high initially, and don't chase the magic beyond one bump or so - it won't enhance your overall experience.