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Market => Rumor mill => Topic started by: urbana on August 13, 2012, 07:18 pm
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well, I tried to get some info about (un)usual side effects of MDMA in other threads, but it just didn't really work ;)
so this could be a thread for exchanging our experiences with MDMA in generall. and especially with the side effects, so one can know if sth is normal or its not.....or if the MDMA of a certain vendor has these effects or those....
my interest is, that me and my friends had a lot of uncomfortable physical side effects and not so much euphoria, love, happiness, verything is great...feeeling.
we had: nausea, dizzyness, circulatory problems (like low blood pressure...sth like that), hot flashs, sweaty hands and feet... one was very pale and didn't wanna move...
the four of us took - all together - 400mg (bit less maybe). it was white crystals. no one drank more than 3 shandys (which is a mixture of beer and lemonade), drank enough...it wasn't bad all in all. we had really nice and close moments too, but not at all as I expected.
well, I would really like to know if that is normal, when you, like we did, stay at home, think (and talk) a lot about the effects, have not much impressions (as if you were outside) and also look at a pale friend all the time who seems to feel very bad..
I would really really appreciate your thoughts, because I wanna know, if its possible that it was sth else, if thats normal, or if we did sth wrong... because I have some left and don't want to have the same experience again....
I had two experiences before which were totally different (but also with alcohol)
thanks in advance! ;)
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Maybe it wasnt synthesized properly, i get good mdma but still get neurotoxidity side effects afterwards but because i take too much too often...
If your not in the right frame of mind it may effect your buzz but there was 4 of you so probably shit MDxx
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LOL you guys took 400mg + of high quality MDMA (i'm guessing it was on here), and didn't expect to get pale faced with low blood pressure? Usually 200mg should be fine, if you guys need more then it's not really worth it. You're just chasing the high and serotonin replenishes a lot slower than dopamine. The higher the dosages, and the more frequent administration of MDMA will pronounce the ill physical effects of the drug.
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no ;) all the four of us TOGETHER we took 400mg, so me about 100 the other 3 a bit less then 100mg each.... so it couldn't be too much...right?
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Change your supplier and compare...
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Those side effects do not sound like usual MDMA side effects of taking 100mg each. Sounds a lot like piperazine effects, but it couldn't be that because that chemical is more commonly found in pressed pills.
I almost always feel nauseous and uncomfortable during the come up and right before I begin to feel the onset of MDMA effects. I almost always throw up too. Had you eaten anything that day? Was it all of your first time using MDMA? Who was the vendor you received this MDMA from?
Was the entire experience full of these symptoms or was it just in the onset? Did you guys feel good at all during the duration of the 3-4 hours after taking the MDMA? Because, IME, sweating and high heart rate is normal after taking MDMA but I not paleness and/or circulatory problems. Did these effects wear off after a while?
Personally, I never think it is a good idea to mix alcohol with MDMA. This increases the risks and potential negative side effects of the drug - sweating, dehydration, etc. Next time, try MDMA without the alcohol. Also, you might want to buy a test kit to make sure what you have is MDMA.
100mg is kind of on the low end for an initial dose (unless of course it was really, really good MDMA, but it doesn't sound like it).
MDMA effects also have a lot to do with mood/environment/company. Sometimes, if you have high expectations and hype it up too much, you may be disappointed. I have had mellow nights at home with a few friends where we took the same amount we would take at a club and had a completely different experience - much more chill and mellow with seemingly less effects. I would love to hear more about your experience though, to come to some type of conclusion as to why this happened...
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well for the other 3 it was the first time, for two the first time taking drugs (except weed) in general, one took LSD before, I took MDMA two times before last friday...
and it did feel good as well sometimes, for me I think it wasn't that bad as for the others... I just had the weakness felling (I wrote circulatory problems, but that might not be accuarte), it was like I could pass out, what happened often with me when I smoke weed and drink (so I don't ;) )...but that actually was just in the beginning. then I felt well, not amazed or anything, but well. and the others had also some nice feelings, like feeling very close when we sat next to eachother ( we're all good friends and girls, so no problems being close ;) ) and petting our arms and stuff. but they all felt bad in a way. I have to ask them again, how exactly. One felt nausea, she was the pale one, but she was also thinking about it a lot in advance...and didn't try anything before (just alcohol and weed).
the mdma was from sesampino, which I thought would be good mdma, and he writes its 80% pure mdma...
and yeah, we treid not to eat that much, because I read everywhere, you shouldn't eat too much right before you take the mdma... and it was really little alcohol, I drank the most and as it was a mixed beer, I drank maybe 2 real beer maximum, the others maybe one.
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"nausea, dizzyness, circulatory problems (like low blood pressure...sth like that), hot flashs, sweaty hands and feet... one was very pale and didn't wanna move..."
How could any person deny these effects as being those of an amphetamine? Amphetamine of any kind causes constriction of the blood vessels. The constriction of blood vessels is the cause of dizziness, circulatory problems, and paleness. Think about it and it will become clear. Dizziness due to amphetamine use is caused by smaller blood vessels carrying less oxygen to your brain, and this is amplified because vasoconstriction results in your body naturally pulling blood to the core in order to supply your organs with greater oxygen flow and prevent organ failure. This is also the explanation of why your friend became pale. You become pale and flushed looking due to blood being taken away from skin surface areas and moving to the core. The lack of oxygen at the surface of the skin results in the pale look. Usually, you will notice this in the lips, nose, finger tips, toes, and genital area first. In extreme cases of vasoconstriction you essentially enter shock moving almost all blood to the core resulting in purple extremities. These effects will be amplified if you are generally lacking in the physical fitness department.
Nausea is normal, especially if you don't eat healthy on a regular basis. Nausea will be even more pronounced by eating prior to the roll. Hot flashes and sweating is also normal. MDMA most certainly causes an increase core body temperature. I think hot flashes can be contributed to the fact that vasoconstriction results in feeling cold because of lack of blood flow to extremities while MDMA causes the core temperature to rise. This may not be the actual reason for hot flashes but seems to make sense.
I think you are speaking of the product Ses currently has. I took 200mg of it and had an extraordinary time. One user observed that it triggerd the mandolin test very quickly. Seeing that the mandolin is a titration reaction this can only mean that the pH is high, if I am not mistaken. I also found this product to burn vary badly after snorting a smaller amount, this also leads me to believe it has a very high pH. Perhaps this could be freebase form of MDMA? Maybe it is simply a poor neutralization? Perhaps it is not as I have previously read that freebase MDMA is a paste that will cause severe chemical burns in the mouth if administered orally. Anyone, feel free to chime in and correct me on this matter.
Get yourself some test kits from dancesafe.org. The whole pack is 50 dollars. You also seem to be approximating your dosage, so perhaps your supposed 400mg was actually 650mg which would give you over 150mg per person. A low tolerance user could certainly be floored as you describe by 150mg. I gave a friend who hadn't rolled in 12 years 140mg over Ivory's clear shard MDMA and he was having severe hot flashes, couldn't get out of his chair, could barely talk, and certainly said he felt horrible until the peak started to ease off. Buy yourself a mg scale and be sure of your dosage as well. Eye balling MDMA is pretty sketch, especially for new users.
Feel free to correct any inconsistencies or bs comments!
Comment added after reply. You say your friend had only tried alcohol and weed. You really really need to buy a mg scale and ease new users in. I would never eyeball a dose for a first time user, an unfit user, a low weight user, or a user that was not sure of their desire to roll.
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thanks a lot for this explanation..... !
so even though english isn't my mother tongue, I guess I understood most of it ;) ....which is mainly that these side effects are just to be expected...right? so, there is no point in worrying it could be sth else....?
I do have a mg scale, I just bought, but apparently too cheap. I can only say, that it showed it was about 400mg less in the bag (from 1g).
so if you weigh about 60kg or less (about 132lbs) and you took maybe 100mg and not 80mg, could that have been overdosed?
is there a possibility to minimize these side effects...? I mean, they're not really comfortable.... ;)
and I didn't have them the other two times...(which is long ago, not ses' mdma)
and by the way..we didn't have the jaw clenching at all. no bad hangover.
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When i tried mdma the first time it was fucking amazing, i suggest you try a different source for your Mdma... 8)
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I tried Jurgens MDMA.
I tried Ivorys MDMA
and I tried Sesampinos MDMA
The first two, made me roll, gave me the feeling I get from MDMA, the last one, FUCKED ME in my ass, and I had no euphoria, just was sweating my ass off, felt like shit, prolly cause I invested 425 bucks only to be given bunk shit, the feeling made me think of PMMA, OR PMA whatever, or some kind of MDAI, Sesam has not messaged me back regarding this, I think he is selectively scamming people, or one of his people are, for extra cash, and hoping that we don't leave negative feedback, I hope he makes this right because I'm not going to ingest any more of this supposed "Molly" that doesn't even make you roll.
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I mean, IDK. It may have been cut with some shit. Who knows except the people pulling it off. I know I took some and rolled pretty well for a while. It passed the reagent test that is for damn sure. If you go look in some of the other threads you will see that some ones mandolin turned blue very quick which is odd considering it is a titration reaction if I am correct. Usually it takes a good few drops to change the pH enough to get the reaction, but they said this stuff immediately turned blue. So, the pH must be off from what the normal pH of MDMA is. I also noticed that it had a strong "rocket fuel" taste as some say about cocaine and that it burned very severely for the little bit that was bumped. I also read that free base MDMA has a very high or low pH, not sure which one, and that it can cause chemical burns... so perhaps it has some sort of madness freebase in it? But, the same character said that free base MDMA is in the form of a goo or liquid. I can't really remember. I really don't know. My body temperature was raised really high when taking the product. An odd amount of it was sticking to the inside of the bag/capsules. It seemed to have a very serious pH due to the persons post about the mandolin. It is def possible that it was cut with something or perhaps some other chemical.
All I know is that I felt pretty damn good after taking it. Talkative, energetic, music sounded good, had a great relaxing and lovey conversation with the old lady. Just try another vendor. Throw it out, take it, whatever. If you think you got bunk product just remember, escrow and reagent test kits.
There is also a post showing the reagent test reactions on this board.
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I downed some mdma from easyjet, and a few friends of mine as well, nothing but a euphoric effect, was a great night and a great roll. I came down, hit the sack, had a normal night of sleep and i was good to go the next day.
From what you say it sounds to me like you had a bad batch or something cut with shit cause from what you explained it sounds nothing like what i feel (and my friends) when i take high quality mdma
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There's some variables at work here. You said you had a decent helping of alcohol, and didn't accurately get a good measurement of how much you were administering to everyone. Mind you I haven't rolled in 10 years so I have no idea what the market has become lately. I know you're talking after using Ses's supply.
1. Alcohol from experience has fucked over a good roll for me. I never drank with Molly after that one experience. I got mildly intoxicated midway through the peak and everything went to shit for the rest of the night, vomitted like three times and just felt destroyed, not in a good way.
2. You may have underestimated the doses you gave everyone, especially since everyone was new. If you thought you gave them 80mg and it turned out to be 140mg or more, 50mg difference can be the catalyst for a good time and an awful time.
Otherwise it sounds legit to me, you said you had some mildly euphoric moments and that's pretty indicative of it being for real. If you were just chilling at home trying it out then I don't know what to say, from experience Molly was meant for social activity on a grand scale. Need loud music and lots of people dancing to really bring out that overflowing love/connection vibe. The only time I'd take it at home is to test drive it before a festival and gauge how much to give to the noobs. But again, it's been a decade.
The rest sounds pretty normal for an amphetamine, as many have said. You've got me a little worried about Sesampino's MDMA now but I'm crossing my fingers and hoping it's not bunk seeing as a majority seem to have no problems with his M.
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Ses's quality has been in question as of late, you are not the first to report unexpected results of his mdma. Judging by your report it doesn't sound like mdma. Did anyone notice dialated pupils? Also jaw clenching, sweaty palms are the norm along with extreme euphoria. I would purchase a mecke and simons test kit before taking more. Try a different vendor next time. Easyjet, UGS and googleyed all come highly recommended. If you want more if a psychadelic experience go with montels mda.
Also, none of you ladies should be on any antidepressents and skip the alcohol. Weed can be nice at the end of a roll, nitrous and poppers are fun during the roll. For first timers though I would suggest going with the mdma or mda alone. 150mg is a good start dose with a 50mg booster when you peak.
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150mg is a lot for first time, try 100mg with a 50mg redose if they're feeling okay by the peak.
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Ses's quality has been in question as of late, you are not the first to report unexpected results of his mdma. Judging by your report it doesn't sound like mdma. Did anyone notice dialated pupils?
yeah, we had dilated pupils... one more than the other, but yes.
and now, I read that a lot of people are questioning, if the last mdma batches from ses have been cut or anything...
and to the alcohol part, could it really effect if we drank sth with 2,0% vol. ? like two of them....thats actually like nothing, at least, for us ;)
I'm still hoping that the 'thinking/talking too much about it', 'first time users', 'being at home all the time'... was the reason, but on the other hand, that would be strange too. yeah maybe it was too much, not 80mg and 100mg...but hw to get a real good scale? I bought mine at ebay, it was cheap, and well, wasn't exact...eventough it was a 0.01 g scale.
thanks about your thoughts and stuff.... ;)
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Can you post a pic of it? Please use decent lighting and no flash. Jump3r's picture looked banana yellow.
Mine looked like this: http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=c8dd01c52ebcdb65ee6679e04c0f05e6.gif (white, slight tint) but I haven't tested it.
There is no reason why all of you would have had such abad reaction to MDMA, even with a good bit of alcohol. I wonder if we all are getting the same "batch" or not.
Image uploader: http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion
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The tricky thing with MDMA, and other psychedelics I suppose, is that a lot of it is all in your head.
If you are sitting around going "hey, are you feeling anything", "oh man, he is looking pale I hope he's okay". Then you are likely to kill the buzz. Especially with the low doses you took. You need to build up an atmosphere, increase the intensity gradually. The best advice, is to forget you took anything... really get into the music, or talking, or dancing.. Occasionally you'll be blown away and say "oh wow, are you like, this, yeah, holy shit", although you may not finish your sentence before the other person agrees entirely... LOL.
MDMA has a kind of threshold dose, you need to find yours. Some people don't seem to get it as bad, and can drop a few half pills until they are buzzing like mad. But certainly for me, if I under dose the initial dose, then it's really hard to have a "magic" time. Sure I re-dose at the 45 min mark, but usually when that hits, it's less magic and euphoria, and more "jaw clenching, teeth chattering, smashed".
If you didn't get these side effects, try more like 120 to 150mg.
Not sure I can comment on the quality of the mdma you had, it could happen like you said with good mdma. Personally I think your mdma was okay, try a higher initial dose, and work on a good party atmosphere. Don't invite the pale person:-)
Good luck next time... leave it a few weeks though! :-)
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The tricky thing with MDMA, and other psychedelics I suppose, is that a lot of it is all in your head.
If you are sitting around going "hey, are you feeling anything", "oh man, he is looking pale I hope he's okay". Then you are likely to kill the buzz. Especially with the low doses you took. You need to build up an atmosphere, increase the intensity gradually. The best advice, is to forget you took anything... really get into the music, or talking, or dancing.. Occasionally you'll be blown away and say "oh wow, are you like, this, yeah, holy shit", although you may not finish your sentence before the other person agrees entirely... LOL.
MDMA has a kind of threshold dose, you need to find yours. Some people don't seem to get it as bad, and can drop a few half pills until they are buzzing like mad. But certainly for me, if I under dose the initial dose, then it's really hard to have a "magic" time. Sure I re-dose at the 45 min mark, but usually when that hits, it's less magic and euphoria, and more "jaw clenching, teeth chattering, smashed".
If you didn't get these side effects, try more like 120 to 150mg.
Not sure I can comment on the quality of the mdma you had, it could happen like you said with good mdma. Personally I think your mdma was okay, try a higher initial dose, and work on a good party atmosphere. Don't invite the pale person:-)
Good luck next time... leave it a few weeks though! :-)
What is everyone going on about, I roll off of a 65-70mg tab of Mdma, okay.
I didn't roll off of 200mg of sesampinos "molly"
Stop trying to say he took too much or too little, at 65mg you should be able to tell if its real deal mdma( for those with experience).
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There's some variables at work here. You said you had a decent helping of alcohol, and didn't accurately get a good measurement of how much you were administering to everyone. Mind you I haven't rolled in 10 years so I have no idea what the market has become lately. I know you're talking after using Ses's supply.
1. Alcohol from experience has fucked over a good roll for me. I never drank with Molly after that one experience. I got mildly intoxicated midway through the peak and everything went to shit for the rest of the night, vomitted like three times and just felt destroyed, not in a good way.
2. You may have underestimated the doses you gave everyone, especially since everyone was new. If you thought you gave them 80mg and it turned out to be 140mg or more, 50mg difference can be the catalyst for a good time and an awful time.
Otherwise it sounds legit to me, you said you had some mildly euphoric moments and that's pretty indicative of it being for real. If you were just chilling at home trying it out then I don't know what to say, from experience Molly was meant for social activity on a grand scale. Need loud music and lots of people dancing to really bring out that overflowing love/connection vibe. The only time I'd take it at home is to test drive it before a festival and gauge how much to give to the noobs. But again, it's been a decade.
The rest sounds pretty normal for an amphetamine, as many have said. You've got me a little worried about Sesampino's MDMA now but I'm crossing my fingers and hoping it's not bunk seeing as a majority seem to have no problems with his M.
^This.
The tricky thing with MDMA, and other psychedelics I suppose, is that a lot of it is all in your head.
If you are sitting around going "hey, are you feeling anything", "oh man, he is looking pale I hope he's okay". Then you are likely to kill the buzz. Especially with the low doses you took. You need to build up an atmosphere, increase the intensity gradually. The best advice, is to forget you took anything... really get into the music, or talking, or dancing.. Occasionally you'll be blown away and say "oh wow, are you like, this, yeah, holy shit", although you may not finish your sentence before the other person agrees entirely... LOL.
MDMA has a kind of threshold dose, you need to find yours. Some people don't seem to get it as bad, and can drop a few half pills until they are buzzing like mad. But certainly for me, if I under dose the initial dose, then it's really hard to have a "magic" time. Sure I re-dose at the 45 min mark, but usually when that hits, it's less magic and euphoria, and more "jaw clenching, teeth chattering, smashed".
If you didn't get these side effects, try more like 120 to 150mg.
Not sure I can comment on the quality of the mdma you had, it could happen like you said with good mdma. Personally I think your mdma was okay, try a higher initial dose, and work on a good party atmosphere. Don't invite the pale person:-)
Good luck next time... leave it a few weeks though! :-)
^This. Psychs are definitely like this.
The tricky thing with MDMA, and other psychedelics I suppose, is that a lot of it is all in your head.
If you are sitting around going "hey, are you feeling anything", "oh man, he is looking pale I hope he's okay". Then you are likely to kill the buzz. Especially with the low doses you took. You need to build up an atmosphere, increase the intensity gradually. The best advice, is to forget you took anything... really get into the music, or talking, or dancing.. Occasionally you'll be blown away and say "oh wow, are you like, this, yeah, holy shit", although you may not finish your sentence before the other person agrees entirely... LOL.
MDMA has a kind of threshold dose, you need to find yours. Some people don't seem to get it as bad, and can drop a few half pills until they are buzzing like mad. But certainly for me, if I under dose the initial dose, then it's really hard to have a "magic" time. Sure I re-dose at the 45 min mark, but usually when that hits, it's less magic and euphoria, and more "jaw clenching, teeth chattering, smashed".
If you didn't get these side effects, try more like 120 to 150mg.
Not sure I can comment on the quality of the mdma you had, it could happen like you said with good mdma. Personally I think your mdma was okay, try a higher initial dose, and work on a good party atmosphere. Don't invite the pale person:-)
Good luck next time... leave it a few weeks though! :-)
What is everyone going on about, I roll off of a 65-70mg tab of Mdma, okay.
I didn't roll off of 200mg of sesampinos "molly"
Stop trying to say he took too much or too little, at 65mg you should be able to tell if its real deal mdma( for those with experience).
Mogulay... at first I was giving you the benefit of the doubt thinking that your experience could have possibly been just a bad one, but now I know that you don't know anything about what you are speaking. I certainly cannot tell if it is real deal mdma with 65mg dosages. I've even taken a 75mg dosage before because it was just laying around and I wanted to see what it was all about. All that happened was I felt an uplifted mood for a VERY short lived time. We are talking the same sort of uplift you get after a good run for maybe 20 minutes. That is all I got. There is no way you would even be able to declare the grandness of MDMA from a 65mg dosage.
To be honest I was unsure of the MDMA I got from Ses at first too. It didn't really taste like sass, was kind of powdery with little rocks, stuck to the bag, and smelled a little off. Being that I was at a buddies house and didn't have my testing stuff I decided to simply bomb some of it. I railed a line that I would consider to be smaller than what any of my averaged weighed dosages look like... especially considering the density of the powder. Needless to say... I had an awesome time. Since then I have tested the stuff and it has passed. If your batch looks anything like what the other users have posted pics of or what is seen in the capsule on eData then you have the real deal.
Of course, if your test kit comes and you prove me wrong I will certainly admit defeat in this matter. But until you upload photos of your reagent tests I am proclaiming that you are in fact the one that is bunk.
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The tricky thing with MDMA, and other psychedelics I suppose, is that a lot of it is all in your head.
If you are sitting around going "hey, are you feeling anything", "oh man, he is looking pale I hope he's okay". Then you are likely to kill the buzz. Especially with the low doses you took. You need to build up an atmosphere, increase the intensity gradually. The best advice, is to forget you took anything... really get into the music, or talking, or dancing.. Occasionally you'll be blown away and say "oh wow, are you like, this, yeah, holy shit", although you may not finish your sentence before the other person agrees entirely... LOL.
MDMA has a kind of threshold dose, you need to find yours. Some people don't seem to get it as bad, and can drop a few half pills until they are buzzing like mad. But certainly for me, if I under dose the initial dose, then it's really hard to have a "magic" time. Sure I re-dose at the 45 min mark, but usually when that hits, it's less magic and euphoria, and more "jaw clenching, teeth chattering, smashed".
If you didn't get these side effects, try more like 120 to 150mg.
Not sure I can comment on the quality of the mdma you had, it could happen like you said with good mdma. Personally I think your mdma was okay, try a higher initial dose, and work on a good party atmosphere. Don't invite the pale person:-)
Good luck next time... leave it a few weeks though! :-)
What is everyone going on about, I roll off of a 65-70mg tab of Mdma, okay.
I didn't roll off of 200mg of sesampinos "molly"
Stop trying to say he took too much or too little, at 65mg you should be able to tell if its real deal mdma( for those with experience).
Lol what? Dude 65-70mg.. I WISH. Id save so much money!!
The poster above me just explained it well though. If I drop 100mg I likely wont feel anything and even if I drop another 100 like an hour later it wont really do shit. It sucks. My buddies take half a defqon and they get shot to the moon... I take a full defqon and im barely on their level. Wouldnt say its a tolerance issue as I rarely roll more than once every other month. maybe once a month around this time of the year for festival season.
Some people just need more or less. I learned to drop 175mg to start and another 50 at the peak