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Title: Does anyone else do this? (bit technical)
Post by: Limetless on May 17, 2012, 01:05 am
Get two drugs that go well together and then recrystallize them into one thing?

Title: Re: Does anyone else do this? (bit technical)
Post by: somahaoma on May 17, 2012, 01:08 am
I havent but I have thought about it, only thing I have done close is lace a birthday joint with a couple substances, or oil..

Title: Re: Does anyone else do this? (bit technical)
Post by: Limetless on May 17, 2012, 01:12 am
I havent but I have thought about it, only thing I have done close is lace a birthday joint with a couple substances, or oil..

I have done it a few times with the guys I get my Drone off and it just surprises me that nobody else has.

Stuff we have done it with mostly is K and Drone (which is what we did today). Call it "Party-Mix" :P.
Title: Re: Does anyone else do this? (bit technical)
Post by: degr3e on May 17, 2012, 01:19 am
Oooh..I like that idea. Never thought of that before :D. Are you able to differentiate between the drone and the K? Every chemical has a different crystalline structure, and they all look different when crystallized, but many look similar. Basically what I'm asking is, can you tell that it's two chems mixed together, rather than one, uniform crystallization?
Title: Re: Does anyone else do this? (bit technical)
Post by: Limetless on May 17, 2012, 01:26 am
Oooh..I like that idea. Never thought of that before :D. Are you able to differentiate between the drone and the K? Every chemical has a different crystalline structure, and they all look different when crystallized, but many look similar. Basically what I'm asking is, can you tell that it's two chems mixed together, rather than one, uniform crystallization?

It looks like an odd mix and it turns into a weird looking crystal of something else. It's basically like sticking lego blocks together (best analogy I can think of).

I want to try and recrystallize MDMA and K together again (failed first time round) but we haven't got round to it again.

Tell you what though, party mix hits you like a truck. Would be interesting to do listings for it tbh.
Title: Re: Does anyone else do this? (bit technical)
Post by: degr3e on May 17, 2012, 01:39 am
Well it makes perfect sense why that didn't work:

MDMA's melting point is 147-153° C, whereas Ketamine's melting point is 262-263°. This variance in melting points is HUGE.. too big for the two to crystallize happily together.
The MDMA was probably trying to crystallize out of solution while the Ketamine still had quite a while to go, probably preventing the spontaneus crystallization of MDMA we all know and love  :-\
 
[Source: https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mdma/mdma_chemistry.shtml
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/archive/index.php/t-60764.html]

Oh, haha, I bet it does. Being metabolized at the same time, means that (hopefully) you'll be coming up on both drugs at once. Brilliant!
I don't know about that, though..That's akin to selling Heroin cut with alprazolam. Not really a good idea to force combinations :p
Title: Re: Does anyone else do this? (bit technical)
Post by: Limetless on May 17, 2012, 01:49 am
Well it makes perfect sense why that didn't work:

MDMA's melting point is 147-153° C, whereas Ketamine's melting point is 262-263°. This variance in melting points is HUGE.. too big for the two to crystallize happily together.
The MDMA was probably trying to crystallize out of solution while the Ketamine still had quite a while to go, probably preventing the spontaneus crystallization of MDMA we all know and love  :-\
 
[Source: https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mdma/mdma_chemistry.shtml
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/archive/index.php/t-60764.html]

Oh, haha, I bet it does. Being metabolized at the same time, means that (hopefully) you'll be coming up on both drugs at once. Brilliant!
I don't know about that, though..That's akin to selling Heroin cut with alprazolam. Not really a good idea to force combinations :p

When ya spell it like that then yeah lol, deffo. I'm not a chemist myself by the way, I just know fringe bits. My suppliers/mates are the ones that know the depth.

And yeah the rush is like going straight up and then down, kinda like a dip on a roller coaster and then you come back up again.

And yeah obviously (this is just thinking out loud btw) but if I marketed recrystallized K+Drone it'd be a very small niche and it'd be totally disclosed as to what it was/the ratios etc. I wouldn't class it as cutting but more of an adventurous merger maybe lol?

What do you think? This is all idle chat and speculation but I think it's an intertesting concept.
Title: Re: Does anyone else do this? (bit technical)
Post by: degr3e on May 17, 2012, 01:59 am

When ya spell it like that then yeah lol, deffo. I'm not a chemist myself by the way, I just know fringe bits. My suppliers/mates are the ones that know the depth.

And yeah the rush is like going straight up and then down, kinda like a dip on a roller coaster and then you come back up again.

And yeah obviously (this is just thinking out loud btw) but if I marketed recrystallized K+Drone it'd be a very small niche and it'd be totally disclosed as to what it was/the ratios etc. I wouldn't class it as cutting but more of an adventurous merger maybe lol?

What do you think? This is all idle chat and speculation but I think it's an intertesting concept.

No problem at all, You know more than most average drug users do   ;)

I've never done K, am getting some soon. MDMA i've tasted a handful of times, but I have more experience with Methylone. I prefer methylone  :)
How do the two combine? It sounds like it would be a ridiculously euphoric, delightfully insane combination  ;D

I think if you limited it to select customers then yeah, it wouldn't be a bad idea at all. Maybe even sell it in pre-filled caps. I think a lot of people would be interested in it, as long as they knew 100% what they were getting.
The main problem I see with this though is dosing. The formed crystallization of two completely different compounds together would be extremely difficult to dose...Because it would be impossible to know the ratio of Chemical A to Chemical B in a gram of final product. Ya dig?
Title: Re: Does anyone else do this? (bit technical)
Post by: tan on May 17, 2012, 12:26 pm
The important thing i think is that the substances have a similar solubility. Otherwise they would just crystallize one after the other out of the solution. One negative point of the whole idea is that you are left with a fixed ratio of the substances. But of course if there is just one golden ratio, good for all occasions, that would be not a problem.