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Discussion => Off topic => Topic started by: kmfkewm on January 21, 2012, 11:07 am
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Christians believe that after they die they will go to heaven and live in bliss for all of eternity. Many of them believe that if they kill themselves they will not go to heaven but rather will burn in hell. If atheists start killing christians they will in the view of christians be sending them on a first class trip to eternal bliss. The atheists will also end up killing some christians who otherwise would have gone on to commit suicide, thus saving them from eternal damnation in hell. Plus after all the Christians are dead the world will be a much freer and happier place and scientific progress will move forward at an extremely fast rate. It will improve the quality of life on earth for us, and the christians will all be chilling in eternal paradise so who are they to complain? The same thing should also probably be done for Muslims and Jews. If any Christians Muslims or Jews disagree with this I guess it just goes to show they lack faith. Anyway who are they to know Gods plan (maybe he plans for us to kill all of them).
Thoughts?
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This thread.... makes sense. ;D :o
;D ;D ;D
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Faux-edgy and dumb stoner-logic. And I'm an atheist. As long as christians don't fuck with me and are cool with social issues then I don't care what they believe in. Live and let live.
You sound 15 years old btw
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This is not just about the welfare of atheists.
Christians will benefit tremendously too.
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$50 in the douche jar.
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fuck yeah lets kill em motherfuckers ;D
im with stupid!
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for most christians, it just turns out they are gullible people. Thats why they believe the lie of god to begin with. Thats also why most of them are republicans. Its because they can be easily lied to.
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God and religion were created by man to explain questions that he couldn't answer. Such as... why am I here? how did I even get here? and most importantly, where am I going? With the advent of science, the majority of these questions have been answered but yet religion has remained. Notice how the majority of the scientific community is atheist. Science = enlightenment, and a good deal of the people who believe in a higher power are usually uneducated.
People cling to religion and the belief in of a so-called "God" for, I find, two reasons.
First, tradition. People are very likely to adopt the views (be it religion, political party, etc) of the people they are closest too, such as parents. As more and more of the population converts to atheism, religion will most probably become extinct sooner or later as younger generations adopt the same atheistic views of their predecessors.
Second, people don't like the idea of their existence simply vanishing once they die. The notion of "life after death" is comforting. In my opinion, it takes more faith to be an atheist, to believe in nothing, which is extremely unsettling. The thought of dieing is absolutely heart-wrenching. Even if I was to find an "elixer of life" and literally never die, I have to realize that all the energy from the big bang is expanding exponentially outwards and eventually in some unforseeably far away time from now the whole universe will freeze over.
The Christian Heaven, or any religion for that matter, would be just fantastic. You don't have to worry about the price of gas, ever. Unfortunately I just can't force myself to believe in these things. A lot of times I wish I did.
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Dude find some better points to pick on Christians with..(or go on google and copy and paste AGAIN)
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God and religion were created by man to explain questions that he couldn't answer. Such as... why am I here? how did I even get here? and most importantly, where am I going? With the advent of science, the majority of these questions have been answered but yet religion has remained. Notice how the majority of the scientific community is atheist. Science = enlightenment, and a good deal of the people who believe in a higher power are usually uneducated.
People cling to religion and the belief in of a so-called "God" for, I find, two reasons.
First, tradition. People are very likely to adopt the views (be it religion, political party, etc) of the people they are closest too, such as parents. As more and more of the population converts to atheism, religion will most probably become extinct sooner or later as younger generations adopt the same atheistic views of their predecessors.
Second, people don't like the idea of their existence simply vanishing once they die. The notion of "life after death" is comforting. In my opinion, it takes more faith to be an atheist, to believe in nothing, which is extremely unsettling. The thought of dieing is absolutely heart-wrenching. Even if I was to find an "elixer of life" and literally never die, I have to realize that all the energy from the big bang is expanding exponentially outwards and eventually in some unforseeably far away time from now the whole universe will freeze over.
The Christian Heaven, or any religion for that matter, would be just fantastic. You don't have to worry about the price of gas, ever. Unfortunately I just can't force myself to believe in these things. A lot of times I wish I did.
I feel and think all of this as well. Well put sir
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Second, people don't like the idea of their existence simply vanishing once they die. The notion of "life after death" is comforting. In my opinion, it takes more faith to be an atheist, to believe in nothing, which is extremely unsettling. The thought of dieing is absolutely heart-wrenching. Even if I was to find an "elixer of life" and literally never die, I have to realize that all the energy from the big bang is expanding exponentially outwards and eventually in some unforseeably far away time from now the whole universe will freeze over.
I think I understand the point you're trying to make, but it doesn't take any faith to be an atheist. Faith is a silly concept made up by religious people to make themselves feel superior to others who don't believe in an imaginary man in the sky.
Atheists also don't "believe in nothing." Being an atheist is the absence of belief in traditional theology. Atheist views are based in facts and theories that are empirically proven and demonstrable. Maybe what you really meant is that it takes more courage to be an atheist. To admit to yourself that there is simply no reason to believe that God or heaven or hell or "souls" exist, and to admit that in all likelihood, there is no afterlife. This is it. After we die, we simply cease to exist. No more thoughts, no more feelings, no more "being" at all. Coming to terms with that is not easy - it can be downright terrifying, which is why I believe it takes a lot of courage to be an atheist.
Once you come to that conclusion though, you feel very liberated. You are free from "judgement" in the Christian sense. Life becomes more meaningful and infinitely more beautiful when you come to terms with the fact that it is finite and fleeting. Every experience becomes more sublime when you don't superimpose a theological purpose and meaning on top of it.
Just to make myself clear, I'm not disagreeing with you, John Keats (love the name by the way). I just wanted to elaborate my views on what you were talking about. I definitely agree with your analysis on why so many people still participate in the many and varied religions of the world. I would also add that community, and social acceptance, is a primary motivator behind people choosing to be religious. Like it or not, there is still a social stigma attached to being an atheist. The communal aspects of religion, however, are in my opinion one of its most positive and fruitful aspects. Religion provides a way for people to be involved in something greater than themselves, and gives them a way to get rid of some of the loneliness and alienation that is all too common in our modern society.
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Faux-edgy and dumb stoner-logic. And I'm an atheist. As long as christians don't fuck with me and are cool with social issues then I don't care what they believe in. Live and let live.
You sound 15 years old btw
I love christians that is why I want to send them to paradise and help them avoid the potential risk of ending up in hell. I honestly have no problems with christians. And I am actually making fun of christian logic. If they really think they will go to eternal bliss after they die, but not if they kill themselves, they should be crossing their fingers that somebody kills them already. Plus even though a small minority of christians are not totally insane control freaks who want everyone who doesn't think exactly as they do to repent or burn in hell, enough of them are fucking insane enough and bad enough for humanity that I really am not sure I would miss them as a whole (actually I certainly wouldn't, although I certainly would miss individuals).
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Atheists also don't "believe in nothing." Being an atheist is the absence of belief in traditional theology. Atheist views are based in facts and theories that are empirically proven and demonstrable.
Athiest views are NOT based on facts that can be empirically proven. There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that we simply cease to exist after death, just as there is no evidence to suggest that we go on to heaven. There is no evidence for a "soul" or a "divine creator", but there is also no evidence against it. It's difficult to comprehend this concept at first, but when you look at the nature of the scientific method you realize there is no way to collect information on what happens after death (because noone has been able to come back and tell what happens) and thus it is impossible to come to any substantial conclusion on this matter. It for this reason that athiesm is a FAITH, because it is the belief in something without any evidence.
This is where the philosophical "demarcation problem" comes in. Where do we draw the boundaries between science and pseudoscience (i.e. religion). Does science accompany everything or does religion not apply to its laws?
Furthermore, a huge criticism of anything scientific and of anything that anyone believes in is the philosophical question of the problem of induction. This is the problem of "presupposing that a sequence of events in the future will occur as it always has in the past." We cannot assume that all swans are white because on every OBSERVABLE occasion they were white. This is an easy analogy to picture, but how about the laws of physics? Just because every time we've jumped up and gravity has pulled us back down to earth, we cannot conclude that it will do the same next time. Inductive reasoning =/= knowledge.
Once you come to that conclusion though, you feel very liberated. You are free from "judgement" in the Christian sense. Life becomes more meaningful and infinitely more beautiful when you come to terms with the fact that it is finite and fleeting. Every experience becomes more sublime when you don't superimpose a theological purpose and meaning on top of it.
Whenever someone brings this up I immediately quote one of my favorite bits from The Matrix: Cypher talking to Agent Smith once he sells out.
"Cypher: You know, I know this steak doesn't exist. I know that when I put it in my mouth, the Matrix is telling my brain that it is juicy and delicious. After nine years, you know what I realize?
[Takes a bite of steak]
Cypher: Ignorance is bliss."
I remember being much happier as a child or even teenager when I went to sunday mass and was simply unaware of all the startling evidence against all that I was taught to believe. I find all this knowledge to be weighing me down rather than liberating. In every experience I DO think about how everything is finite and fleeting and it makes me think "what's the point?" The best of Keats' poetry is almost exclusively about the nature of immortality, and in "Ode to a Grecian Urn" he makes the argument that its better to be frozen in a state of eternal anticipation (such as the lovers depicted on the urn) than for them to reach their climax, for once they reach that peak their love and energy and passion can only diminish. I almost don't want to experience anything anymore because the pain of not being able to have something again (for example, a girl that was truly amazing) is a million times worse than not having it in the first place.
I would also add that community, and social acceptance, is a primary motivator behind people choosing to be religious. Like it or not, there is still a social stigma attached to being an atheist. The communal aspects of religion, however, are in my opinion one of its most positive and fruitful aspects. Religion provides a way for people to be involved in something greater than themselves, and gives them a way to get rid of some of the loneliness and alienation that is all too common in our modern society.
Golden words drip from your lips (or fingers, whichever) my friend. Loneliness is possibly the most horrid feeling in the world and religion is certainly a terrific remedy for it. Wow, all this contemplation is making me depressed. Time to go hit some acid.
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Christians believe that after they die they will go to heaven and live in bliss for all of eternity. Many of them believe that if they kill themselves they will not go to heaven but rather will burn in hell. If atheists start killing christians they will in the view of christians be sending them on a first class trip to eternal bliss. The atheists will also end up killing some christians who otherwise would have gone on to commit suicide, thus saving them from eternal damnation in hell. Plus after all the Christians are dead the world will be a much freer and happier place and scientific progress will move forward at an extremely fast rate. It will improve the quality of life on earth for us, and the christians will all be chilling in eternal paradise so who are they to complain? The same thing should also probably be done for Muslims and Jews. If any Christians Muslims or Jews disagree with this I guess it just goes to show they lack faith. Anyway who are they to know Gods plan (maybe he plans for us to kill all of them).
Good idea. To bad they wouldn't be willing to get killed for some unknown reason. Oh yeah, because deep down they know after death, theirs nothing.
Thoughts?
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This is a friendly forum with broadly libertarian setiment- state enforced extermination of faith groups is not cool :D
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First of all the first post is clearly humor and not to be taken seriously, second of all I don't think it should be state enforced because I non-humorously think that the state should also be rapidly exterminated
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Atheists also don't "believe in nothing." Being an atheist is the absence of belief in traditional theology. Atheist views are based in facts and theories that are empirically proven and demonstrable.
Athiest views are NOT based on facts that can be empirically proven. There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that we simply cease to exist after death, just as there is no evidence to suggest that we go on to heaven. There is no evidence for a "soul" or a "divine creator", but there is also no evidence against it. It's difficult to comprehend this concept at first, but when you look at the nature of the scientific method you realize there is no way to collect information on what happens after death (because noone has been able to come back and tell what happens) and thus it is impossible to come to any substantial conclusion on this matter. It for this reason that athiesm is a FAITH, because it is the belief in something without any evidence.
This is where the philosophical "demarcation problem" comes in. Where do we draw the boundaries between science and pseudoscience (i.e. religion). Does science accompany everything or does religion not apply to its laws?
Furthermore, a huge criticism of anything scientific and of anything that anyone believes in is the philosophical question of the problem of induction. This is the problem of "presupposing that a sequence of events in the future will occur as it always has in the past." We cannot assume that all swans are white because on every OBSERVABLE occasion they were white. This is an easy analogy to picture, but how about the laws of physics? Just because every time we've jumped up and gravity has pulled us back down to earth, we cannot conclude that it will do the same next time. Inductive reasoning =/= knowledge.
Once you come to that conclusion though, you feel very liberated. You are free from "judgement" in the Christian sense. Life becomes more meaningful and infinitely more beautiful when you come to terms with the fact that it is finite and fleeting. Every experience becomes more sublime when you don't superimpose a theological purpose and meaning on top of it.
Whenever someone brings this up I immediately quote one of my favorite bits from The Matrix: Cypher talking to Agent Smith once he sells out.
"Cypher: You know, I know this steak doesn't exist. I know that when I put it in my mouth, the Matrix is telling my brain that it is juicy and delicious. After nine years, you know what I realize?
[Takes a bite of steak]
Cypher: Ignorance is bliss."
I remember being much happier as a child or even teenager when I went to sunday mass and was simply unaware of all the startling evidence against all that I was taught to believe. I find all this knowledge to be weighing me down rather than liberating. In every experience I DO think about how everything is finite and fleeting and it makes me think "what's the point?" The best of Keats' poetry is almost exclusively about the nature of immortality, and in "Ode to a Grecian Urn" he makes the argument that its better to be frozen in a state of eternal anticipation (such as the lovers depicted on the urn) than for them to reach their climax, for once they reach that peak their love and energy and passion can only diminish. I almost don't want to experience anything anymore because the pain of not being able to have something again (for example, a girl that was truly amazing) is a million times worse than not having it in the first place.
I would also add that community, and social acceptance, is a primary motivator behind people choosing to be religious. Like it or not, there is still a social stigma attached to being an atheist. The communal aspects of religion, however, are in my opinion one of its most positive and fruitful aspects. Religion provides a way for people to be involved in something greater than themselves, and gives them a way to get rid of some of the loneliness and alienation that is all too common in our modern society.
Golden words drip from your lips (or fingers, whichever) my friend. Loneliness is possibly the most horrid feeling in the world and religion is certainly a terrific remedy for it. Wow, all this contemplation is making me depressed. Time to go hit some acid.
This is why I consider myself agnostic instead of athiest. However I think science can prove that some faiths are incorrect, because many of them make claims that are scientifically provable as false. Of course you could argue that an all powerful God could make things appear to be different to science than they actually are in reality, but at that point you can also say God can make 1 + 1 look like it = 3 when it really = 2, so at some point you really need to either draw a line or accept everything and nothing as true simultaneously (and if you do this you are pretty much saying you know nothing, which means you take knowing nothing as being true, which means you know something)
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This is why I consider myself agnostic instead of athiest. However I think science can prove that some faiths are incorrect, because many of them make claims that are scientifically provable as false.
Religion certainly makes numerous claims that can be disproven by science, such as miracles and such. But the nature of God and his existence and whether or not you go to heaven cannot be falsified and thus religious scholars make the argument that all the non man-made facets of religion do not apply to the laws of science.
This possibility of two different "spheres" existing at the same time in the same place is an interesting one, and it certainly makes sense for the modern mind. I however, don't find it plausible.
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Thoughts?
Just one: obvious troll is obvious. 0/10.
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This is why I consider myself agnostic instead of athiest. However I think science can prove that some faiths are incorrect, because many of them make claims that are scientifically provable as false.
Religion certainly makes numerous claims that can be disproven by science, such as miracles and such. But the nature of God and his existence and whether or not you go to heaven cannot be falsified and thus religious scholars make the argument that all the non man-made facets of religion do not apply to the laws of science.
Not to pick a nit but.. Miracles have not been conclusively dis-proven. Rather, the religious "theory" of miracles is neither proven, provable nor even testable and so fails epically as a scientific theory. In the case of people making fantastical claims the onus is on them to provide proof for their theory not for everyone else to make their theory rigorous enough to disprove it.
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Kill The Christian!!
Anyway, if that happened, then Christians wouldn't have to worry about any Atheists "accidentally" getting into Heaven and ruining it for them!
Oh, Religion & Politics, the true downfall of humankind. I loathe you with all my being.
@KMF: I think religions have already begun changing, and there will most likely be a New New Testament very soon. I know for a fact that Catholicism is opening its eyes to Science.
I was raised in 2 EXTREMELY religious families, from 2 extreme religions. One is still considered a Cult. Although, they all are. I know more of the Bible than most Theologians....most, mind you. I like reading some of the stories out loud while my Christian friends are tripping ;) *especially* from the OT! They hate all the blood, violence, sex, slavery, so they made a New Testament, lolz. Now, with Science being accepted, they will have to make a NNT, to finally accept the existence of dinosaurs as being more then 6,000 years old!