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Title: 25I-NBOMe being sold as LSD?
Post by: sitdown on February 19, 2012, 11:27 pm
So - intrigued by the thought that my brief sampling of an SR vendor's product a few weeks ago might actually have seen me ingest an exotic RC, I've been doing a bit of research.

I found some very interesting information that seems useful to have at one's disposal in order to avoid possible unwanted contact with this substance in future. Basically it seems very likely that there are already lots of people selling this as acid and will continue to do so.

Please NO speculation either way in this thread about whether any SR vendors have been selling this or other RCs as acid. There are about 6 different threads where you can join in that fight if you want to. This thread is purely for collecting useful info to protect ourselves against what looks very likely to be a common typs of scam in the future.

Apparently it is possible to make this substance - which in most forms is not orally active -  into a sufficiently strong solution that it will fit on acid-sized blotters with sufficient potency to be active if held in the mouth for a few minutes. It is generally described by users as being extremely pleasant and is often compared favorably in its effects with high-quality LSD.

The main reason for avoiding being sold it as LSD is that you should be paying a fraction of the price of what you pay for LSD if you buy this.

These seem to be the most relevant links I've found:

hxxp://trippy-town.blogspot.com/2011_12_01_archive.html
hxxp://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15746434
hxxp://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/551797-The-Big-amp-Dandy-25I-NBOMe-Thread

Please add any more useful references and data.

Anything that contradicts the claim that it would be possible to make this into a blotter that would be passable as an LSD blotter, or any foolproof tests - can they be collated here?

Thanks
Title: Re: 25I-NBOMe being sold as LSD?
Post by: Holly on February 19, 2012, 11:52 pm
AFAIK LSD shouldn't numb the tongue.  Problem with nbome is, it glows, so does LSD, it tests for LSD on elhreich tests, according to moon unit's chemist, and it's effects are more favorable, and extremely similar to acid. 
Title: Re: 25I-NBOMe being sold as LSD?
Post by: foxymeow on February 20, 2012, 12:55 am
As a person who churns out quite a bit of 25I the two ways to tell is that it will be slighly more "stiff" than normal LSD as it has a much higher concentration of chemical. Blotter w/ LSD will be just as stiff as blotter w/o LSD.

Also it should numb your tounge.
Title: Re: 25I-NBOMe being sold as LSD?
Post by: sitdown on February 20, 2012, 01:51 am
As a person who churns out quite a bit of 25I the two ways to tell is that it will be slighly more "stiff" than normal LSD as it has a much higher concentration of chemical. Blotter w/ LSD will be just as stiff as blotter w/o LSD.

Also it should numb your tounge.

Right thanks that's very helpful.

So along the same lines,  would you say that unusually visible streaks and drops, and unusually visible crystalline surface layers, all indicative of attempts at a very high level of saturation / surface-cover, would be further possible indicators to look out for (as compared to LSD blotters, which should be, as you suggest, basically indistinguishable to the eye from inert, undipped, unlayed blotters)?
Title: Re: 25I-NBOMe being sold as LSD?
Post by: psychedelicbees1 on February 20, 2012, 02:36 am
I've done LSD quite a number of times in various doses and I have done 25I once.  I think there is a distinguishable difference between the effects.  25I gives quiet a body load to where movement becomes almost impossible, where as LSD gives me the complete opposite effect full of energy and movement.  Furthermore, 25I doesn't have much for OEV, but is very strong on the CEV.  LSD gives plenty of both worlds.  LSD last about 4-6 hours longer as well with a much shorter come up.  I also did not feel much introspect with 25I than i normally get with LSD.  In a way I think 25I was more intense than most acid trips I've had, simply because I did not want to move and was able to let go of all thought and simply trip out on the images appearing in my mind.  I also did not get much audio distortion with 25I.

Hope that helps
Title: Re: 25I-NBOMe being sold as LSD?
Post by: foxymeow on February 20, 2012, 02:39 am
As a person who churns out quite a bit of 25I the two ways to tell is that it will be slighly more "stiff" than normal LSD as it has a much higher concentration of chemical. Blotter w/ LSD will be just as stiff as blotter w/o LSD.

Also it should numb your tounge.

Right thanks that's very helpful.

So along the same lines,  would you say that unusually visible streaks and drops, and unusually visible crystalline surface layers, all indicative of attempts at a very high level of saturation / surface-cover, would be further possible indicators to look out for (as compared to LSD blotters, which should be, as you suggest, basically indistinguishable to the eye from inert, undipped, unlayed blotters)?

For example my 1000microgram blotter is sticky, stiff as fuck, and sometime needs to be cut with a scissor. However 500 MCG blotter will be much more subtle and will just feel kind of weird.

If you ever want 25I or 25C at 25I/C prices let me know :D I don't care what you sell my shit as after you get it but as far as SR goes its RC Acid. I have had much success putting peppermint extract in the solution in order to mask the flavor of the 25I.
Title: Re: 25I-NBOMe being sold as LSD?
Post by: hungryvoid on February 20, 2012, 02:53 am
I've done LSD quite a number of times in various doses and I have done 25I once.  I think there is a distinguishable difference between the effects.  25I gives quiet a body load to where movement becomes almost impossible, where as LSD gives me the complete opposite effect full of energy and movement.  Furthermore, 25I doesn't have much for OEV, but is very strong on the CEV.  LSD gives plenty of both worlds.  LSD last about 4-6 hours longer as well with a much shorter come up.  I also did not feel much introspect with 25I than i normally get with LSD.  In a way I think 25I was more intense than most acid trips I've had, simply because I did not want to move and was able to let go of all thought and simply trip out on the images appearing in my mind.  I also did not get much audio distortion with 25I.

Hope that helps

You are not describing 25i-NBOMe at all. There are OEVs of varying intensity by way of 25i. 25i also does not intermingle with motor function or social ability in the way LSD does. There is a really, really bizarre misinformation campaign under way on the boards about LSD vs. NBOMe, it's pretty weird, and seems to have all originated from FF's tongue numbing "acid". You're claiming upper doses of LSD make you want to "run around" but NBOMe gives you "heavy body load"? I have gone biking through the fucking mountains on 3mg of NBOMe and, while I was tripping my face off, was completely sure-footed To be honest it seems like you've done neither of these substances, and are doing more to muddy the waters than anything else.
Title: Re: 25I-NBOMe being sold as LSD?
Post by: psychedelicbees1 on February 20, 2012, 04:09 am
I've done LSD quite a number of times in various doses and I have done 25I once.  I think there is a distinguishable difference between the effects.  25I gives quiet a body load to where movement becomes almost impossible, where as LSD gives me the complete opposite effect full of energy and movement.  Furthermore, 25I doesn't have much for OEV, but is very strong on the CEV.  LSD gives plenty of both worlds.  LSD last about 4-6 hours longer as well with a much shorter come up.  I also did not feel much introspect with 25I than i normally get with LSD.  In a way I think 25I was more intense than most acid trips I've had, simply because I did not want to move and was able to let go of all thought and simply trip out on the images appearing in my mind.  I also did not get much audio distortion with 25I.

Hope that helps
You are not describing 25i-NBOMe at all. There are OEVs of varying intensity by way of 25i. 25i also does not intermingle with motor function or social ability in the way LSD does. There is a really, really bizarre misinformation campaign under way on the boards about LSD vs. NBOMe, it's pretty weird, and seems to have all originated from FF's tongue numbing "acid". You're claiming upper doses of LSD make you want to "run around" but NBOMe gives you "heavy body load"? I have gone biking through the fucking mountains on 3mg of NBOMe and, while I was tripping my face off, was completely sure-footed To be honest it seems like you've done neither of these substances, and are doing more to muddy the waters than anything else.

Oh yeah you must be right, all of the acid I've gotten from reliable vendors here and in real life couldn't have been acid at all.  Just something exactly like acid.  and the 25I I had from ENBOOM was not what he claimed it was either.  Silly me why would I think such dumb things!  I also never said upper doses of acid, but just acid in general.  The 25i i took was 750 ug so it was not a high dose at all.  And that is my personal experience with these drugs you could respond differently.  And I take back that I didn't have OEV on 25I, I did get them when I put a blanket over my head so when I opened my eyes it was completely black and the CEVs would spill out onto the blanket.  But I did not experience them if there was any sort of light.  but according to you I must have had some other substance......
Title: Re: 25I-NBOMe being sold as LSD?
Post by: foxymeow on February 20, 2012, 04:28 am
I've done LSD quite a number of times in various doses and I have done 25I once.  I think there is a distinguishable difference between the effects.  25I gives quiet a body load to where movement becomes almost impossible, where as LSD gives me the complete opposite effect full of energy and movement.  Furthermore, 25I doesn't have much for OEV, but is very strong on the CEV.  LSD gives plenty of both worlds.  LSD last about 4-6 hours longer as well with a much shorter come up.  I also did not feel much introspect with 25I than i normally get with LSD.  In a way I think 25I was more intense than most acid trips I've had, simply because I did not want to move and was able to let go of all thought and simply trip out on the images appearing in my mind.  I also did not get much audio distortion with 25I.

Hope that helps
You are not describing 25i-NBOMe at all. There are OEVs of varying intensity by way of 25i. 25i also does not intermingle with motor function or social ability in the way LSD does. There is a really, really bizarre misinformation campaign under way on the boards about LSD vs. NBOMe, it's pretty weird, and seems to have all originated from FF's tongue numbing "acid". You're claiming upper doses of LSD make you want to "run around" but NBOMe gives you "heavy body load"? I have gone biking through the fucking mountains on 3mg of NBOMe and, while I was tripping my face off, was completely sure-footed To be honest it seems like you've done neither of these substances, and are doing more to muddy the waters than anything else.

Oh yeah you must be right, all of the acid I've gotten from reliable vendors here and in real life couldn't have been acid at all.  Just something exactly like acid.  and the 25I I had from ENBOOM was not what he claimed it was either.  Silly me why would I think such dumb things!  I also never said upper doses of acid, but just acid in general.  The 25i i took was 750 ug so it was not a high dose at all.  And that is my personal experience with these drugs you could respond differently.  And I take back that I didn't have OEV on 25I, I did get them when I put a blanket over my head so when I opened my eyes it was completely black and the CEVs would spill out onto the blanket.  But I did not experience them if there was any sort of light.  but according to you I must have had some other substance......

Truth be told that 25I is nothing like any "LSD Like" drug I have ever encountered. I know plenty of people who have mistakenly taken DOX and hated it but absolutely LOOOVED 25I. The 25 series is pretty fucking magical all things considered. Ihave always hated the body load that comes with the 2cs and the just general "What the fuck am I getting out of this". The only 2cs I believe have any value are 2c-t-7 and 2c-b and 2c-d (as a nootropic or to add an edge to ANY other drug). 25 has been universally well liked which was quite the opposite of how people felt when I was pushing 2c-i.

I have 25C on the way and that is supposed to be more visual and a less mood altering. I have taken 2c-c and it is also one of my favorites as it had absolutely no body load...even though I took a massive dose. I was just so fucked up I literally couldn't move and I had a lot of temperature changes (which is pretty normal on psychedelics), I had literally done a bump off a pair of scissors (SOMETHING I WILL NEVER DO AGAIN).

I personally have really enjoyed having 25 with a little bit of 5-meo-amt to add some real spot on visuals. 5-meo-amt is not really that great on its own as it is just too much of an intense pushy trip, but it adds a nice pleaseant edge to 25I at low doses such as 150mcg. HPBCD increases the potency of 5-meo-amt as well. I made some blotter with 700mcg 25i-NBOme/200mcg 5-meo-amt/81mg HPBCD and have heard nothing but good things.

I am super stocked about 25I and C. If I make enough money I am going to pay my chemist to a do a custom synthesis of 25D. 2c-d is one of my absolute favorite 2cs as it just has amazing clarity and is body load free, I can't even begin to imagine how great 25D is.
Title: Re: 25I-NBOMe being sold as LSD?
Post by: mrfingers on March 03, 2012, 03:37 am
I've done LSD quite a number of times in various doses and I have done 25I once.  I think there is a distinguishable difference between the effects.  25I gives quiet a body load to where movement becomes almost impossible, where as LSD gives me the complete opposite effect full of energy and movement.  Furthermore, 25I doesn't have much for OEV, but is very strong on the CEV.  LSD gives plenty of both worlds.  LSD last about 4-6 hours longer as well with a much shorter come up.  I also did not feel much introspect with 25I than i normally get with LSD.  In a way I think 25I was more intense than most acid trips I've had, simply because I did not want to move and was able to let go of all thought and simply trip out on the images appearing in my mind.  I also did not get much audio distortion with 25I.

Hope that helps
You are not describing 25i-NBOMe at all. There are OEVs of varying intensity by way of 25i. 25i also does not intermingle with motor function or social ability in the way LSD does. There is a really, really bizarre misinformation campaign under way on the boards about LSD vs. NBOMe, it's pretty weird, and seems to have all originated from FF's tongue numbing "acid". You're claiming upper doses of LSD make you want to "run around" but NBOMe gives you "heavy body load"? I have gone biking through the fucking mountains on 3mg of NBOMe and, while I was tripping my face off, was completely sure-footed To be honest it seems like you've done neither of these substances, and are doing more to muddy the waters than anything else.

Oh yeah you must be right, all of the acid I've gotten from reliable vendors here and in real life couldn't have been acid at all.  Just something exactly like acid.  and the 25I I had from ENBOOM was not what he claimed it was either.  Silly me why would I think such dumb things!  I also never said upper doses of acid, but just acid in general.  The 25i i took was 750 ug so it was not a high dose at all.  And that is my personal experience with these drugs you could respond differently.  And I take back that I didn't have OEV on 25I, I did get them when I put a blanket over my head so when I opened my eyes it was completely black and the CEVs would spill out onto the blanket.  But I did not experience them if there was any sort of light.  but according to you I must have had some other substance......

Truth be told that 25I is nothing like any "LSD Like" drug I have ever encountered. I know plenty of people who have mistakenly taken DOX and hated it but absolutely LOOOVED 25I. The 25 series is pretty fucking magical all things considered. Ihave always hated the body load that comes with the 2cs and the just general "What the fuck am I getting out of this". The only 2cs I believe have any value are 2c-t-7 and 2c-b and 2c-d (as a nootropic or to add an edge to ANY other drug). 25 has been universally well liked which was quite the opposite of how people felt when I was pushing 2c-i.

I have 25C on the way and that is supposed to be more visual and a less mood altering. I have taken 2c-c and it is also one of my favorites as it had absolutely no body load...even though I took a massive dose. I was just so fucked up I literally couldn't move and I had a lot of temperature changes (which is pretty normal on psychedelics), I had literally done a bump off a pair of scissors (SOMETHING I WILL NEVER DO AGAIN).

I personally have really enjoyed having 25 with a little bit of 5-meo-amt to add some real spot on visuals. 5-meo-amt is not really that great on its own as it is just too much of an intense pushy trip, but it adds a nice pleaseant edge to 25I at low doses such as 150mcg. HPBCD increases the potency of 5-meo-amt as well. I made some blotter with 700mcg 25i-NBOme/200mcg 5-meo-amt/81mg HPBCD and have heard nothing but good things.

I am super stocked about 25I and C. If I make enough money I am going to pay my chemist to a do a custom synthesis of 25D. 2c-d is one of my absolute favorite 2cs as it just has amazing clarity and is body load free, I can't even begin to imagine how great 25D is.

Experienced 25i and LSD user here, I received 25i from multiple vendors, including foxymeow, ENBOOM, DudeRugs and LSD also from multiple vendors. I can confirm all the 25i experiences were the same drug and all the LSD experiences were the same drug having done them from multiple vendors. Now first off, LSD and 25i are remarkably similar, that is a fact, the main difference is the duration. 25i is a 6-8 hour trip and LSD is around 12 hours+, that is how you tell whether or not you're on L or 25i.

Secondly, everyone reacts differently to drugs, because this user had more of a stoned body load effect and you went biking doesn't mean he simply was on a different drug, with that logic it very well could have been you that wasn't on 25i and something more stimulative. However, I'm sure if you both got 25i from SR it's not fake 25i, there's really no reason to fake 25i, its pretty easy to obtain unlike LSD.

Whenever I take 25i, especially at high doses (my highest dose being 10 1mg tabs, 7mg higher than your bike ride mind you) all I really want to do is listen to music, and lie back in bed or on the cocuch and look out my window at the trees and sky. So I'd have to say I actually had more of a bodyload experience from 25i, socially its hard for me to stay on the same track of thought and make any sense while on high doses of 25i. Its also worth noting I'm not a super active person, I run on the beach, but mainly all I like to do is listen to music and read when I'm chilling at my house. If you're going on a bike ride in the mountains, you sound like a pretty active person.

Which brings me to the bottom line, as I said before every single person reacts differently to a drug. Just because someone had a completely different experience than you doesn't mean they aren't on the same drug, its an experimental psychoactive research chemical, not a uniform. So chill out, eat some cid and stop assuming.  8)
Title: Re: 25I-NBOMe being sold as LSD?
Post by: foxymeow on March 03, 2012, 02:32 pm

 :D I don't care what you sell my shit as after you get it but as far as SR goes its RC Acid.

sorry to scream, but FOXYMEOW....

WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU FOXYMEOW?  I HAD MAD RESPECT FOR YOU AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING ON SR UNTIL I READ THIS QUOTE.  ARE YOU FUCKING CRAZY?  DO YOU HAVE NO INTEGRITY WHATSOEVER.  NO VENDOR SHOULD EVER SAY THAT THEY DON'T MIND THEIR CUSTOMERS MISREPRESENTING THEIR PRODUCTS.  IT IS NOT RC-ACID, IT IS 25I/25C. 

YOU SOUND LIKE THE HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP PRODUCERS/MARKETERS WHO WANT TO CALL IT "CORN SUGAR" BECAUSE IT SOUNDS BETTER TO THE AVERAGE CONSUMER.  DON'T USE MARKETING BULLSHIT, CALL IT WHAT IT IS.  DON'T MISLEAD THE CONSUMER.  BE A PROFESSIONAL! 

I used to think you were a respectable adult but you are coming across as a 20-something kid with no life experience who only cares about selling drugs and not contributing to the Research Chemical scene in a positive way.   IS HARM REDUCTION NOT IN YOUR VOCABULARY.  Are you not aware of the DOM/STP crisis of the 60's?  You are putting your customers and their customers at risk...

from WIKI... (although I hate quoting wiki, i have no choice) 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2,5-Dimethoxy-4-methylamphetamine

"In mid-1967, tablets containing 20 mg (later 10 mg) of DOM were widely distributed in the Haight-Ashbury District of San Francisco under the name of STP. This short-lived appearance of DOM on the black market proved disastrous for several reasons. First, the tablets contained an excessively high dose of the chemical. This, combined with DOM’s slow onset of action (which encouraged some users, familiar with drugs that have quicker onsets, such as cocaine, to re-dose) and its remarkably long duration, caused many users to panic and sent some to the emergency room. Second, treatment of such overdoses was complicated by the fact that no one at the time knew that the tablets called STP were, in fact, DOM."

Foxy... you and I had been chatting about some custom synths I was looking into... how can i trust you now?  How do I know that you wont just send me some 4-FA and call it trans-4-mar?  How can ANYONE trust you if you are okay with other people misrepresenting your product?  How do WE know that YOU are not misrepresenting your product. I feel terrible calling you out in a public forum, but come on?  Be a professional.  I thought you were better than this...

MEOW!
~kitty^^

BTW... no disrespect meant, I just call it like I see it.  I do not intend to offend.  I am just a concerned citizen!

You are getting a little worked up over nothing. Its RC-Acid plain and simple. I feel absolutely nothing wrong with calling it RC-Acid because that is what it is. All of my dealers know its RC-Acid but the it is well-liked and that is what matters.

Besides who am I to tell people how to run their business? I am not here to judge people. I feel like passing off 25I as acid is a lot better than the crap they used to put on blotter like bromo dragonfly.

What are you talking about, I am as honest as I can be on the road. You guys actually know shit, try explaining random numbers and letters to your average college kid. The reason methylone got the name Bk-MDMA because it shows its relation to rolling. However, if I say its Bk-MDMA, $500 an ounce people know what they are getting and aren't getting fooled. The RCs I gather are good enough that they speak for themselves. I spend A LOT of money to get the absolute best and for you to say that it is a crime for me to call something "RC-Acid" is just ridiculous. I'm not saying its acid, I'm just relating it to acid, because heh it really does have a great trip.

I am aware of the past stuff they put on blotter but 25x-NBOme is a completely different structure from those. I make my blotter to the best standards, with the best potency, and with the best art and damnit I'm proud to say that I have some of the best RC-Acid on the road.

We are dealing with drugs here, why do you think Foxy is called foxy most of the time instead of being 5-meo-dipt. Foxy much better describes what the drug actually DOES.
Title: Re: 25I-NBOMe being sold as LSD?
Post by: robotzombies on March 03, 2012, 05:29 pm
After reading some of Foxy's posts, I'm really starting to wanna try one of the 25's.

Not just because they sound like pretty nice experiences in and of themselves, but, because then I'll actually know what the 25s are like, so that in the event that I do get sold 'acid' that's actually a 25, I won't be confused and trying to figure out if I actually did get acid and just had a different kind of trip, or if it was RC or something. I think you're definitely on to something, sitdown, when you say that we're probably gonna see a lot more people trying to pass off 25s as LSD in the future, unfortunately.

The thing that scares me/turns me off the most to the 2C chemicals in general, is the fucking body load.  :( I swear the body just ruins it for me, I can't even enjoy the trip. It's impossible for me to focus on anything other than the fact that I have this TERRIBLE feeling throughout my body.
With the 25s though, I've heard that while there still is body load, it's a lot less than the 2c-x's, and that they're soo similar to acid, which really piques my interest.

I'm probably gonna hit Foxy up for some of that 25C. I haven't tried 2C-C, or DOC, but I've heard that the C variations of those families come with the least body load, the most clarity, and also awesome visuals. Only thing about 25s in general though, is that I was reading the big and dandy 25something thread on bluelight, and a lot of people were saying that taking any of the 25s on blotter isn't an effective way to take them. They said that you do get some effects, but I actually can't remember what they said the best way to take 25s is. Plugging maybe? I have nothing against plugging, and TBH, I'd love to try that RoA sometime. I would much rather put drugs up my ass then in my mouth, because honestly, most of them taste like shit. Even with LSD, I hate the feeling of having tabs in my mouth because of all the bad tabs that I've had over time. Doesn't even matter if the tabs are tasteless, I just have this bad feeling because of all of the bitter ones I've had...
Title: Re: 25I-NBOMe being sold as LSD?
Post by: robotzombies on March 03, 2012, 06:11 pm
After reading some of Foxy's posts, I'm really starting to wanna try one of the 25's.


I'm not going to quote your whole post as it is a long one.  Just a word of caution:

A little kitty told me that she ingested 1.5 tabs of 500 micro 25C-nbome (total of 750micros) thinking it would be a light trip, similar to acid, as that's how it was explained to her.  She went with the tab and a half because she was comfortable with LSD from the past.  It had been a long time since she had played with Lucy, or even tried any research chemicals.  She had a wonderful first two hours but then decided to vaporize a little ganja.  She was a daily medical MJ patient so had no concerns.  The little 25C trip turned more intense than any acid trip she had ever taken. 

This may not be the norm, but everybody is different.  Take caution when using a new compound especially when someone compares it to something you are comfortable with.  These are new compounds with little testing history. 

Always start small.  You can always add more salt to a dish, but you can't take it out once it is in there. 
I love salt, but don't like sucking on a Salt Lick!

MEOW!
~kitty^^

I'll keep that in mind, as I'm also a daily medical (self-diagnosed, self-prescribed ;)) smoker.

You mind going into a little more detail on that intense 25 experience?
Title: Re: 25I-NBOMe being sold as LSD?
Post by: i3lazd on March 03, 2012, 06:57 pm
I tried Hofmans original and it had a bitter taste. Does this have to do with this?
Title: Re: 25I-NBOMe being sold as LSD?
Post by: jollygiant on March 03, 2012, 07:07 pm
I tried Hofmans original and it had a bitter taste. Does this have to do with this?

not necessarily. it could be the solvent or the ink. numbing is something I'd be more worried about.

also aren't the NBOMes only buccally active? or is it just weaker if taken sublingually?
Title: Re: 25I-NBOMe being sold as LSD?
Post by: Deleuze on March 03, 2012, 07:47 pm
I tried Hofmans original and it had a bitter taste. Does this have to do with this?

No, the European Original Hoffmans taste bitter but they are real LSD.  The ones I had were maybe 75-80ug and had a sour taste but were the real deal.

I have 25i from ENBOOM and its really easy to tell the difference. 
Title: Re: 25I-NBOMe being sold as LSD?
Post by: jewfro on March 03, 2012, 07:50 pm
I tried Hofmans original and it had a bitter taste. Does this have to do with this?

not necessarily. it could be the solvent or the ink. numbing is something I'd be more worried about.

also aren't the NBOMes only buccally active? or is it just weaker if taken sublingually?

isnt buccal administration the same as sublingual? like, essentially i mean.

i understand that if you swallow a nbome tab, it wont work, but from what i understand, you can swallow acid tabs, and theyll still work the same.

so... perhaps you can tell if you got acid or nbome this way?
Title: Re: 25I-NBOMe being sold as LSD?
Post by: foxymeow on March 03, 2012, 08:07 pm
After reading some of Foxy's posts, I'm really starting to wanna try one of the 25's.


I'm not going to quote your whole post as it is a long one.  Just a word of caution:

A little kitty told me that she sublingually ingested 1.5 tabs of 500 micro 25C-nbome (total of 750micros) thinking it would be a light trip, similar to acid, as that's how it was explained to her.  She went with the tab and a half because she was comfortable with LSD from the past.  It had been a long time since she had played with Lucy, or even tried any research chemicals.  She had a wonderful first two hours but then decided to vaporize a little ganja.  She was a daily medical MJ patient so had no concerns.  The little 25C trip turned more intense than any acid trip she had ever taken. 

This may not be the norm, but everybody is different.  Take caution when using a new compound especially when someone compares it to something you are comfortable with.  These are new compounds with little testing history. 

Always start small.  You can always add more salt to a dish, but you can't take it out once it is in there. 
I love salt, but don't like sucking on a Salt Lick!

As far as ROAs, keep doing your research.  The little kitty told me sublingual can be effective but it just takes a little more work.  Holding the tab between your cheek and teeth seems to work better than trying to hold it under your tongue.  Make sure you don't swallow any of your saliva.  There is a method using vaseline, water, a mirror and your nose that many have said is quite worthwhile.  I don't have a link for you but if you are on bluelight, you should be able to find it.

MEOW!
~kitty^^

Making sure you take it the right way is absolutely essential. I'll usually tell people, "hey this is RC Acid, the only difference is you need to hold it under your tounge."

Most convos with my good friends go like this, "Hey you want some of the RC acid I just got, its pretty good and its cheap.", "Oh sweet, what is chemical BTW?" "25i-NBOme, its kinda sorta based off 2c-i, but not really."


Yeah honestly I fucking love 25i, its literally feels your candy flipping. And the body load is pretty non existent.

I love acid just as much as the next person but you have to admit that 25i truely brings its own wonderful character to the table.
Title: Re: 25I-NBOMe being sold as LSD?
Post by: robotzombies on March 03, 2012, 08:58 pm
Fuck that if I can't swallow my saliva I'm not even gonna try taking blotters. I'm gonna stick it in the pooper! Haha. :D

Now I just need to find some 25c in powder form. Mix with water -> make an oral syringe full of the solution -> Take in the ass.

From what I've read, plugging stuff makes it come on faster and smoother, and the experience is a little more intense/clear. And the fact that you don't have to have anything in your mouth? Sounds good to me.

Title: Re: 25I-NBOMe being sold as LSD?
Post by: foxymeow on March 03, 2012, 09:04 pm
Fuck that if I can't swallow my saliva I'm not even gonna try taking blotters. I'm gonna stick it in the pooper! Haha. :D

Now I just need to find some 25c in powder form. Mix with water -> make an oral syringe full of the solution -> Take in the ass.

From what I've read, plugging stuff makes it come on faster and smoother, and the experience is a little more intense/clear. And the fact that you don't have to have anything in your mouth? Sounds good to me.
I don't know if its that extreme that you can't swallow your saliva. Just try to keep it in the right place in your mouth.

I'm getting a shit load of 25C when I get back from Vacation. I can sell you bulk powder. 
Title: Re: 25I-NBOMe being sold as LSD?
Post by: robotzombies on March 03, 2012, 09:17 pm
Fuck that if I can't swallow my saliva I'm not even gonna try taking blotters. I'm gonna stick it in the pooper! Haha. :D

Now I just need to find some 25c in powder form. Mix with water -> make an oral syringe full of the solution -> Take in the ass.

From what I've read, plugging stuff makes it come on faster and smoother, and the experience is a little more intense/clear. And the fact that you don't have to have anything in your mouth? Sounds good to me.
I don't know if its that extreme that you can't swallow your saliva. Just try to keep it in the right place in your mouth.

I'm getting a shit load of 25C when I get back from Vacation. I can sell you bulk powder.

I don't have enough $$ to buy any kind of bulk atm, it would just be a very small amount to try the substance out. Now that I think of it though, it's gonna be pretty hard to find someone who's gonna sell that small of an amount of powder...Hmm, you think I could buy some of the blotters from you, and make a solution with them, then just shoot it all up my ass? Blotters and all? Would that work?
Title: Re: 25I-NBOMe being sold as LSD?
Post by: jewfro on March 03, 2012, 09:22 pm
Fuck that if I can't swallow my saliva I'm not even gonna try taking blotters. I'm gonna stick it in the pooper! Haha. :D

Now I just need to find some 25c in powder form. Mix with water -> make an oral syringe full of the solution -> Take in the ass.

From what I've read, plugging stuff makes it come on faster and smoother, and the experience is a little more intense/clear. And the fact that you don't have to have anything in your mouth? Sounds good to me.
I don't know if its that extreme that you can't swallow your saliva. Just try to keep it in the right place in your mouth.

I'm getting a shit load of 25C when I get back from Vacation. I can sell you bulk powder.

I don't have enough $$ to buy any kind of bulk atm, it would just be a very small amount to try the substance out. Now that I think of it though, it's gonna be pretty hard to find someone who's gonna sell that small of an amount of powder...Hmm, you think I could buy some of the blotters from you, and make a solution with them, then just shoot it all up my ass? Blotters and all? Would that work?

ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

and that sounds like it should work, in theory.
Title: Re: 25I-NBOMe being sold as LSD?
Post by: robotzombies on March 03, 2012, 09:32 pm
Fuck that if I can't swallow my saliva I'm not even gonna try taking blotters. I'm gonna stick it in the pooper! Haha. :D

Now I just need to find some 25c in powder form. Mix with water -> make an oral syringe full of the solution -> Take in the ass.

From what I've read, plugging stuff makes it come on faster and smoother, and the experience is a little more intense/clear. And the fact that you don't have to have anything in your mouth? Sounds good to me.
I don't know if its that extreme that you can't swallow your saliva. Just try to keep it in the right place in your mouth.

I'm getting a shit load of 25C when I get back from Vacation. I can sell you bulk powder.

I don't have enough $$ to buy any kind of bulk atm, it would just be a very small amount to try the substance out. Now that I think of it though, it's gonna be pretty hard to find someone who's gonna sell that small of an amount of powder...Hmm, you think I could buy some of the blotters from you, and make a solution with them, then just shoot it all up my ass? Blotters and all? Would that work?

ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

and that sounds like it should work, in theory.

Lolz. Gotta do what ya' gotta do. ;D
Title: Re: 25I-NBOMe being sold as LSD?
Post by: foxymeow on March 03, 2012, 09:51 pm
Well what I could send you some 25C HPBCD complexed in distilled water. It should be fully complexed by the time it arrives.

Complexed 25C is much more active than non complexed.

Then you can just get the vial, throw it in an enema and have at it. Sounds like fun, would it be weird if I thought it was kind of tempting.
Title: Re: 25I-NBOMe being sold as LSD?
Post by: robotzombies on March 03, 2012, 10:50 pm
Well what I could send you some 25C HPBCD complexed in distilled water. It should be fully complexed by the time it arrives.

Complexed 25C is much more active than non complexed.

Then you can just get the vial, throw it in an enema and have at it. Sounds like fun, would it be weird if I thought it was kind of tempting.

Not weird at all bro.

For some reason, the idea of putting drugs up my ass is kind of...hot. Loool! I have no idea why but I'm almost kind of sexually aroused by the thought of doing that. I'm not gay either so it's not like that haha.

Fuck man now I wanna do drugs from my booty brah!
Title: Re: 25I-NBOMe being sold as LSD?
Post by: foxymeow on March 04, 2012, 12:01 am
I mean I've done enemas before, they really aren't that bad lol. A complexed solution would be so powerful. A lot of people use a nasal syringe or saline bottle for complexed solutions for 25i and 25c.
Title: Re: 25I-NBOMe being sold as LSD?
Post by: Gamble on March 04, 2012, 02:03 am
Foxy, what would you sell 1/4 grams of 25I powder for? And I think the 25's are awesome. I have read some bad experiences on EK but that seems to be from mixing with other drugs. I have taken 10mg before with no health issues. Also, do you think you're supplier can/would do some custom synth opioids such as Bromadol? There is a TON of untapped money in that category.
Title: Re: 25I-NBOMe being sold as LSD?
Post by: foxymeow on March 04, 2012, 04:36 am
Foxy, what would you sell 1/4 grams of 25I powder for? And I think the 25's are awesome. I have read some bad experiences on EK but that seems to be from mixing with other drugs. I have taken 10mg before with no health issues. Also, do you think you're supplier can/would do some custom synth opioids such as Bromadol? There is a TON of untapped money in that category.

Opioids are definitely not tolerated in China at all.

My next shipment is 25C and not 25i. The shipment after that will be 25i and 25D
Title: Re: 25I-NBOMe being sold as LSD?
Post by: ENBOOM on March 04, 2012, 08:03 am
hey there foxy, I found one of your posts EXTEREMELY concerning to me.  As you know I've been in the community for a VERY long time.  Earlier you stated that you don't give a flying fuck what people sell your NBOMe's as it's "RC ACID" FIRST OFF! THIS A IS A BIG FUCKING MISNOMER.  25i-NBOME is a research chemical YES.  But it needs to be treated as the chemical which it is.  Obviously you're not very diversified in chemistry so this may not make sense to you but different molecules effect people DIFFERENTLY! They NEED to know what they're taking! Don't tell people it's RC ACID it's 25i-NBOMe this is SHADY BUSINESS!

It's very obvious that you're only in this game for the money, and have no true aspirations for the SCENE, or for ANYTHING relating to drugs, you might as well be a drug warlord.

START GIVING A SHIT ABOUT YOUR PRODUCT and YOUR CUSTOMERS which you sell and represent.

I'm sooo fucking fed up with these immoral criminal DRUG DEALERS who cannot REPRESENT the product which they sell.. You're going to get these BEAUTIFUL CHEMICALS BANNED.

YOU ARE A DISGRACE!


Title: Re: 25I-NBOMe being sold as LSD?
Post by: cuba on March 04, 2012, 08:11 am
I agree with ENBOOM, Sell your product for what it is, stand by it. Do not condone people to sell it as another chemical. As little as you may care what the person chooses to do after you sell your product, you should not say you don't care what they do with it. Keep that to yourself, and represent your product for what it is not what it could be imitated as.
Title: Re: 25I-NBOMe being sold as LSD?
Post by: foxymeow on March 04, 2012, 02:01 pm
Look say what you want to say but I am honest in saying thats its RC Acid. I feel morally comfortable saying its RC Acid because heh, thats what it is.

I don't think you guys are quite understanding what I saying. I refer to it as RC acid because its on damn blotter. I'm like "yeah its RC acid, its this really new chemical called 25i-NBOme, its kind of, sort of similar to 2c-i, but not really."

I don't know what you want me to say, I'm being honest here and who are we to judge how people run their business. I have really liked moving towards 25i and away from methylone (although methylone is still my absolute flagship product)  since I just think that taking 25i is much more rewarding than taking a molly analog.

FYI: the harm that 25i/c can bring is most done by retards with pure powder taking it as if it was a 2c. Doing 10 times the threshold dose of ANYTHING will cause a rather major freakout (5mg).
Title: Re: 25I-NBOMe being sold as LSD?
Post by: friendlyoutlaw on March 04, 2012, 04:36 pm
To be fair, he's not calling it LSD.
Title: Re: 25I-NBOMe being sold as LSD?
Post by: foxymeow on March 04, 2012, 08:10 pm

I don't think you guys are quite understanding what I saying. I refer to it as RC acid because its on damn blotter. "

SO BY THAT LOGIC, BROMO DRAGONFLY LAID ON BLOTTER IS ALSO RC-ACID??? 

We are just saying that you need to be careful with the comparisons you make.  There are many people out there who you may sell to that aren't as educated as you and may just hear the word ACID and assume it is just like acid.  It is not.  They will not do the research, they will just shove a bunch under their tongue.  This is an open marketplace where people who shouldn't have access to these once rare compounds are able to order them with the click of a mouse.

Comparing it to Acid is one thing, calling it RC-Acid is another and implying that your customers can sell it as Acid is dangerous.  These are beautiful chemicals that should be shared with the world, on this we all agree.  We just don't want to see a bunch of overdoses because proper precautions are not taken.

We are asking you to be cautious with your wording and not make stupid comments like, "I don't care what you sell it as once I sell it to you."   You said you are selling to college students.  Many of us here on this board are much older than that.  We do not want to see a myriad of RC overdoses in High Schools and Universities cause the government to put more restrictions on what we can put into our systems.  You may not realize it or you may not care, but as a vendor you DO have a responsibility to help keep this scene alive by educating your customers and not misrepresenting the products you sell.

No one is telling you how to run your business.  We are just asking you to be a bit more thoughtful with your words.  You seem like an intelligent human being.  I wouldn't tell the Chinese Labs how to run their businesses but I can say that I was disgusted when I watched the most recent Drugs, Inc about Research Chemicals.  When the BBC interviewer asked the lab if the compounds they were making were safe and their answer was "we are not sure," I was sick to my stomach and concerned about all the girls and boys who think "because it is legal, it must be safe."

GIVE A HOOT, DON'T POLLUTE, PLEASE KEEP THE RC SCENE, LOOKING GOOD!

MEOW!
~kitty^^

I don't assume, "because it is legal, it must be safe." 25i has been used by a lot of people and there are plenty of glowing experience reports about it. I am not selling Bromo-Dragonfly, I am selling 25i which is much safer. I am not some pusher, the stuff I sell is the same stuff that I personally like. If I didn't personally like it than I wouldn't be carrying it.

We obviously have differing opinions on this and thats fine. I don't mind a friendly back and forth cause heh thats what we are here for. I do take the safety of my customers to heart and I am very careful with RCs due to years of mishaps with RCs (fuck phenazepam and MDPV!).

-Foxy
Title: Re: 25I-NBOMe being sold as LSD?
Post by: jewfro on March 04, 2012, 09:33 pm
i think we all need to take a step back and smoke a bowl.

this is getting way more heated than it should.

we all make mistakes, and im sure we can all agree that the majority of the people in this thread are intelligent enough to listen to reason, so lets calmly discuss whatever and take the appropriate measures to ensure greater win in our microcosm.


and im not even high yet.
Title: Re: 25I-NBOMe being sold as LSD?
Post by: Ungoliant on March 05, 2012, 02:57 am
i think we all need to take a step back and smoke a bowl.

this is getting way more heated than it should.

I agree with this. Sometimes people say things that misrepresent their true intentions. I just wanted to jump in here to say a few things about foxy and ENBOOM, and also theorize about 25x-nbome.

I have always loved ENBOOM's products and sincerely appreciate the stance he represents on his vendor page that every chemical is unique, individual and should be represented as what it is due to safety profiles, effects and dosage ranges. Every compound has different amounts of all these things and information needs to be available to the consumer.

In addition, I have had a very positive experience with foxymeow as of late where I ordered some 4-AcO-DET. Upon reading my order form, foxy accidentally sent me 4-AcO-DMT which was dosed higher than the DET. foxy not only was very quick to warn me about the order mix up, but also warned me about the higher dosed candies and sent back bitcoins because it was not what I ordered. This was not at my request, and foxy could have easily said nothing and I may never have known. I do not believe that foxy is in the business of misinformation, and definitely made me feel like my safety and satisfaction were a serious concern. Neither was it sold as "rc-acid" regardless of the fact that both compounds discussed are much more similar to psilocybe mushrooms. I would order again from foxy, and plan on reimbursing the money upon testing of the 4-AcO-DMT.

In regards to the topic of the thread, I had received some 25c-nbome from ENBOOM some time ago, and in the past month or so have received multiple acid orders from various vendors. I'm not certain if this goes for all 25x-nbomes but the taste is a VERY noticeable difference. While some acid tabs may be bitter and some may not, not a single one I have received yet as been as extremely, noticeably bitter that lasts for an insane amount of time as 25c-nbome. The difference to me is obviously clear and I would never confused the two in terms of taste. Any additional insight, or comments are very appreciated.
Title: Re: 25I-NBOMe being sold as LSD?
Post by: robotzombies on March 05, 2012, 03:08 am
I guess I can see why people could get a little upset at foxy for what he said, but to be honest, I didn't really see much of a problem with it.
I think that calling the NBOMe chemicals 'RC acid' is totally ok. I mean, if he called it 'acid' then there would be a problem, but the 'RC' in front of it clearly denotes that it's not LSD, it's something similar to LSD that's an RC. I mean, that sounds pretty accurate to me...that's what it is. What's wrong with that? I just don't see the problem here.

And I'm someone who has been ripped off many times trying to get LSD, getting RC's instead.

And as for him saying that he doesn't care what you call it/sell it as once you buy it, meh, w/e, that's just his opinion ya' know. Really, once people do buy it, it's totally out of his control anyways, so it's a moot point really IMO.

Props to Foxy on keeping his cool even though some people are giving him some real flack and even insulting him...

EDIT: After thinking about it, I realized that this is totally retarded to even talk about. Reason: Foxy doesn't advertise ANYTHING as 'RC acid'!
That's a term he uses with his friends...check all of his listings, he advertises things as EXACTLY what they are...he gives the chemical name...so why are people hating on him for an offhand phrase he uses to describe a new drug he has to his friends...
Title: Re: 25I-NBOMe being sold as LSD?
Post by: jollygiant on March 05, 2012, 04:09 am
Purple Monkey Dishwasher
Title: Re: 25I-NBOMe being sold as LSD?
Post by: Gary Oak on March 05, 2012, 04:52 am
Purple Monkey Dishwasher

Ahaha! Just what this discussion needed!  ;D
Title: Re: 25I-NBOMe being sold as LSD?
Post by: robotzombies on March 05, 2012, 04:53 am
Even so, other people's actions/behavior aren't Foxy's responsibility.