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Discussion => Silk Road discussion => Topic started by: idiotkid on November 15, 2012, 12:14 pm

Title: The sense of entitlement is horrifying me.
Post by: idiotkid on November 15, 2012, 12:14 pm
I'm not sure if there are just multitudes of children on the forum this past week, but the displays of entitlement is disgusting.

Read this sentence carefully:

Silkroad is an ONLINE website where you can purchase ILLEGAL DRUGS and other things, ANONYMOUSLY and SAFELY and have them SENT TO YOUR HOUSE.

Do you get it? Do you realise how fucking amazing that is? How rare? How unbelievable? How impossible that is? This site is something that should never be taken for granted and most certainly, it is NOT something you have a right to.

Yes it's frustrating (and slightly worrying, and potentially expensive (for me at least, but others too)) that it was down. And it's frustrating that it's down now. But there is no reason to be worried just yet because we know there are issues. It's not surprising it's down.

Every time there is a cunty comment, especially comments directly attacking, deriding, mocking, DPR, the chance that he reads that comment goes up. And what happens if he reads a few too many of them? He may just tell us to go get fucked.

I gather he's busting his ass trying to get the site running smoothly again. He's sacrificed many aspects of his personal life so we can buy fucking drugs, and if he gets caught.....he's going to jail for a long time. Along with many of us. I'd be a little more respectful and reverent of the guy.

You shouldn't be getting angry AT ALL that the site is down. Anger is Indignation and Indignation implies inherently that some wrongdoing or injustice has been suffered by yourself. Has that occurred? Aside from inconvenience and perhaps some theoretical financial problems, nothing has happened.

Chill the fuck out, appreciate this place and stop posting your nonsensical retarded threads you ungrateful, narcissistic fucks.
Title: Re: The sense of entitlement is horrifying me.
Post by: stateless on November 15, 2012, 12:20 pm
Damn fuckin rights!
Title: Re: The sense of entitlement is horrifying me.
Post by: lesseroftwoweevils on November 15, 2012, 12:28 pm
What's funny is that there's been as many( if not more) of these posts as there are the ones you're complaining about:

http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=72601.0
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=71836.0
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=71804.0
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=71817.0
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=72445.0
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=71413.0

It may seem like you're the only rational person left here, but I think the truth is that 98% of forum members agree with you. The trolls just make their presence known, unfortunately.

Title: Re: The sense of entitlement is horrifying me.
Post by: gazwel on November 15, 2012, 12:29 pm
You summed it up in another thread.

Spoiled kids.
Title: Re: The sense of entitlement is horrifying me.
Post by: PartTimeFiend on November 15, 2012, 12:53 pm
Yeah, it's an absolute joke.  People have truly lost the plot.   I've got $100 sitting in my SR wallet, but if it never comes back, so be it.  Losing the money would be worth the experience I've had these past 6 months.  Some incredible products we've had access to.  Can't take this for granted.

If SR does fall down, you can bet there's a LOT of smart people out there who understand the demand for this kind of thing,  so you'd expect alternatives to pop up.  I know of one already.  It just needs the community to embrace (and trust) it so it can become a viable alternative.
Title: Re: The sense of entitlement is horrifying me.
Post by: oban_18 on November 15, 2012, 01:01 pm
Idiotkid-  if I could +1 you, I would.  In fact, I'll come find this thread again after I hit 100 just to +1 you, lol.

I wonder how much of the "whining" might actually be LE.  If they can panic the SR population into believing that the site isn't viable and people stop using SR, it's just as effective for them as interdiction or arrests.
Title: Re: The sense of entitlement is horrifying me.
Post by: geeza23 on November 15, 2012, 01:28 pm
Idiotkid-  if I could +1 you, I would.  In fact, I'll come find this thread again after I hit 100 just to +1 you, lol.

I wonder how much of the "whining" might actually be LE.  If they can panic the SR population into believing that the site isn't viable and people stop using SR, it's just as effective for them as interdiction or arrests.

i can't help but think that too and as much as this is annoying everyone i really think we should implement some changes across the board to ensure things like this can be reduced
Title: Re: The sense of entitlement is horrifying me.
Post by: shitwassocash on November 15, 2012, 01:30 pm
What's funny is that there's been as many( if not more) of these posts as there are the ones you're complaining about:

http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=72601.0
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=71836.0
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=71804.0
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=71817.0
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=72445.0
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=71413.0

It may seem like you're the only rational person left here, but I think the truth is that 98% of forum members agree with you. The trolls just make their presence known, unfortunately.


lol. Honestly I'm more sick of the self-righteous people trying to call out the complainers.


Anyway, with the amount of money some of us have given SR (in the form of commission and buying a vendor account) yes, we do deserve timely updates at the least. There is nothing entitled about wanting a service you paid for, or wanting information as to why the service isn't being provided. We don't have to bow down and excuse everything the admins do. We are free to complain if we feel a fuck up has happened. For the most part, DPR has handled this wonderfully. But I hope our complaints are heard and something changes in the communication.
Title: Re: The sense of entitlement is horrifying me.
Post by: hogman on November 15, 2012, 01:48 pm
Can't agree with you more. I posted a comment like yours yesterday. I just don't understand their attatude. it's scarry.
Title: Re: The sense of entitlement is horrifying me.
Post by: ungodly on November 15, 2012, 02:25 pm
Uhh actually the sense of entitlement comes from paying for a service, which we all do on every trade. Yes silkroad is amazing and you can suck dpr's cock all you want, but its still a service thats being PAID for by us. I dont care about the downtime if its just short term but saying everyone has to tread on eggshells just because we're "lucky" is idiotic.
Title: Re: The sense of entitlement is horrifying me.
Post by: shitwassocash on November 15, 2012, 02:33 pm
I dont care about the downtime if its just short term but saying everyone has to tread on eggshells just because we're "lucky" is idiotic.


I agree with this sentiment, even if I think this gentleman's wording in his post is harsh. ;)



EDIT: hey! I can give karma now! :D :D woo. this'll keep me entertained till SR comes back up.
Title: Re: The sense of entitlement is horrifying me.
Post by: ungodly on November 15, 2012, 03:08 pm
I dont care about the downtime if its just short term but saying everyone has to tread on eggshells just because we're "lucky" is idiotic.


I agree with this sentiment, even if I think this gentleman's wording in his post is harsh. ;)



EDIT: hey! I can give karma now! :D :D woo. this'll keep me entertained till SR comes back up.

upon reading your post i took my first look at my karma and apparently a few of my posts must have been harsh ;-)
Title: Re: The sense of entitlement is horrifying me.
Post by: crazyburnout on November 15, 2012, 03:23 pm
the only thing i feel entitled to is my money that they are holding hostage
Title: Re: The sense of entitlement is horrifying me.
Post by: idiotkid on November 15, 2012, 03:52 pm
Yeah. It sucks that lots of us have 100s and 1000s of dollars locked away in the site. But it was there last time I logged on, and what I left there will still be there when it comes back.

I have no reason to not think this is the case. Ill be wrong when I'm wrong.

And any frustrations I have I'll articulate in an inoffensive, respectful manner. Is that too much to expect? I don't particularly want to suck DPR's cock, but that doesn't mean I need to be rude, like a lot of the cunts running around this place.

Nothing to do with "walking on eggshells," it's got to do with Motivation: It's obvious from DPR's post's that this place is in part a manifestation of his ideals and principles. Something more than just profit seems to a motivating factor in the creation and maintenance of this site. I for one certainly acknowledge and appreciate the principles of self-determination this website allows for me. It drives me fucking insane that I'm not freely able to buy drugs and use them whenever the fuck I want. It's really important to me. And it's not really about the drugs - although there's no need to downplay my enjoyment there either - it's that something inside my brain that recoils at the reality that I'm restricted from ingesting something, whether to experiment, relax, or to mow my lawns like a Savage. This site provides sovereignty.

And if I feel that way, others must to do, but if the voices of the spoiled cunts becomes to load and this place gets taken for granted, and money isn't the Motivating factor for DPR, then why would he even bother?
Title: Re: The sense of entitlement is horrifying me.
Post by: idiotkid on November 15, 2012, 03:54 pm
Yeah. It sucks that lots of us have 100s and 1000s of dollars locked away in the site. But it was there last time I logged on, and what I left there will still be there when it comes back.

I have no reason to not think this is the case. Ill be wrong when I'm wrong.

And any frustrations I have I'll articulate in an inoffensive, respectful manner. Is that too much to expect? I don't particularly want to suck DPR's cock, but that doesn't mean I need to be rude, like a lot of the cunts running around this place.

Nothing to do with "walking on eggshells," it's got to do with Motivation: It's obvious from DPR's post's that this place is in part a manifestation of his ideals and principles. Something more than just profit seems to a motivating factor in the creation and maintenance of this site. I for one certainly acknowledge and appreciate the principles of self-determination this website allows for me. It drives me fucking insane that I'm not freely able to buy drugs and use them whenever the fuck I want. It's really important to me. And it's not really about the drugs - although there's no need to downplay my enjoyment there either - it's that something inside my brain that recoils at the reality that I'm restricted from ingesting something, whether to experiment, relax, or to mow my lawns like a Savage. This site provides sovereignty.

And if I feel that way, others must to do, but if the voices of the spoiled cunts becomes too loud and this place gets taken for granted, and money isn't the Motivating factor for DPR, then why would he even bother?
Title: Re: The sense of entitlement is horrifying me.
Post by: IDontEvenDoDrugs on November 15, 2012, 03:54 pm
I have a large amount of money on my account, and things ordered in transit. So shut the fuck up.

DPR gets money from this, stop being a naive cunt. You are not the majority, the majority realize that this is shit.
Title: Re: The sense of entitlement is horrifying me.
Post by: IDontEvenDoDrugs on November 15, 2012, 03:58 pm
Oh and spare me the principles and bullshit like that. What SR boils down to is BUSINESS, SELLING & BUYING, MONEY. Thats all this is, truly.

If you fuck with peoples money, whether on purpose or by accident things go bad, people get angry. It is has been down long enough, he said he would fix the issues, he didn't. What else do we to discuss?

Why would anyone want to use such a totally unreliable service?
Title: Re: The sense of entitlement is horrifying me.
Post by: jeffsandwich on November 15, 2012, 04:04 pm
Uhh actually the sense of entitlement comes from paying for a service, which we all do on every trade. Yes silkroad is amazing and you can suck dpr's cock all you want, but its still a service thats being PAID for by us. I dont care about the downtime if its just short term but saying everyone has to tread on eggshells just because we're "lucky" is idiotic.

You're not paying monthly for SR, you're not even paying anything directly to SR.  So to say it's being "PAID for by us" is ludicrous.

When a store is closed, you can be upset that you can't go inside and buy things, but to claim that some service has been "PAID for by us"... that's a heavy sense of entitlement.  You get FREE access to a website, the owner of the website gets a commission, if anyone should be pissed of that it's down, it should be the customers last in line.  "I can't spend my money right now, I'm so angry!"  How about "fuck, I need to get these servers back online, I'm losing so much money and pissing off a lot of people, this is a huge deal"?  Do you honestly think it's just a game and no one in charge of it cares??

As other people have pointed out: there isn't a magical "fix the server" button.  This isn't Staples, DPR doesn't have an "EASY" button the side of machine to fix it.  Sorry, it's technology, it fucking sucks when it doesn't work, great when it does.  No system is perfect, and it doesn't have normal HTTP capabilities because it runs over the hidden network.  Get over it, NOBODY wants it done, least of all DPR, he / his team are doing the best of what they can, to expect more is hardly fair.
Title: Re: The sense of entitlement is horrifying me.
Post by: ramrugger on November 15, 2012, 04:13 pm
Back in my polling analysis days, we'd joke that the assholes are always the loudest when it comes to reacting to an event. It would seem SR isn't immune to this phenomenon.

That said, I look at doing business on SR like buying something off Craigslist - no party really has any kind of guarantee, but it's much easier and quicker than if I didn't have the service. It's easy to get real pissed real quick with an outage of a service one relies on, but every time I feel myself getting frustrated, I just think - would I rather not have it at all?
Title: Re: The sense of entitlement is horrifying me.
Post by: shitwassocash on November 15, 2012, 04:42 pm
Uhh actually the sense of entitlement comes from paying for a service, which we all do on every trade. Yes silkroad is amazing and you can suck dpr's cock all you want, but its still a service thats being PAID for by us. I dont care about the downtime if its just short term but saying everyone has to tread on eggshells just because we're "lucky" is idiotic.

You're not paying monthly for SR, you're not even paying anything directly to SR.  So to say it's being "PAID for by us" is ludicrous.

When a store is closed, you can be upset that you can't go inside and buy things, but to claim that some service has been "PAID for by us"... that's a heavy sense of entitlement.  You get FREE access to a website, the owner of the website gets a commission, if anyone should be pissed of that it's down, it should be the customers last in line.  "I can't spend my money right now, I'm so angry!"  How about "fuck, I need to get these servers back online, I'm losing so much money and pissing off a lot of people, this is a huge deal"?  Do you honestly think it's just a game and no one in charge of it cares??

As other people have pointed out: there isn't a magical "fix the server" button.  This isn't Staples, DPR doesn't have an "EASY" button the side of machine to fix it.  Sorry, it's technology, it fucking sucks when it doesn't work, great when it does.  No system is perfect, and it doesn't have normal HTTP capabilities because it runs over the hidden network.  Get over it, NOBODY wants it done, least of all DPR, he / his team are doing the best of what they can, to expect more is hardly fair.

What? This is nearly idiotic. The money that SR collects from commission and paid vendor accounts, that's what this site runs on. DPR isn't paying for any of this out of pocket.

And yes actually, regular stores are paid for by the profits of consumers. I can't believe I would have to explain this. If a store does something the customers don't like, best believe there will be outrage and boycotting and the store will be pressured to change.

Just because we don't pay the money directly to them (that's bullshit too by the way, we pay SR directly for our vendor accounts) doesn't mean that this site doesn't run on OUR money.
Title: Re: The sense of entitlement is horrifying me.
Post by: ungodly on November 16, 2012, 12:26 pm
Uhh actually the sense of entitlement comes from paying for a service, which we all do on every trade. Yes silkroad is amazing and you can suck dpr's cock all you want, but its still a service thats being PAID for by us. I dont care about the downtime if its just short term but saying everyone has to tread on eggshells just because we're "lucky" is idiotic.

You're not paying monthly for SR, you're not even paying anything directly to SR.  So to say it's being "PAID for by us" is ludicrous.

When a store is closed, you can be upset that you can't go inside and buy things, but to claim that some service has been "PAID for by us"... that's a heavy sense of entitlement.  You get FREE access to a website, the owner of the website gets a commission, if anyone should be pissed of that it's down, it should be the customers last in line.  "I can't spend my money right now, I'm so angry!"  How about "fuck, I need to get these servers back online, I'm losing so much money and pissing off a lot of people, this is a huge deal"?  Do you honestly think it's just a game and no one in charge of it cares??

As other people have pointed out: there isn't a magical "fix the server" button.  This isn't Staples, DPR doesn't have an "EASY" button the side of machine to fix it.  Sorry, it's technology, it fucking sucks when it doesn't work, great when it does.  No system is perfect, and it doesn't have normal HTTP capabilities because it runs over the hidden network.  Get over it, NOBODY wants it done, least of all DPR, he / his team are doing the best of what they can, to expect more is hardly fair.

What? This is nearly idiotic.

Nuff said really... Guy says we're not paying for it then talks about commission... THATS PAYING FOR IT YOU STUPID FUCK. Damn, i'd rather be one of the "assholes" speaking out than the DPR supporters who seem to be delusional crack addicts
Title: Re: The sense of entitlement is horrifying me.
Post by: soaponarope on November 16, 2012, 01:13 pm
What's funny is that there's been as many( if not more) of these posts as there are the ones you're complaining about:

http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=72601.0
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=71836.0
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=71804.0
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=71817.0
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=72445.0
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=71413.0

It may seem like you're the only rational person left here, but I think the truth is that 98% of forum members agree with you. The trolls just make their presence known, unfortunately.


lol. Honestly I'm more sick of the self-righteous people trying to call out the complainers.


Anyway, with the amount of money some of us have given SR (in the form of commission and buying a vendor account) yes, we do deserve timely updates at the least. There is nothing entitled about wanting a service you paid for, or wanting information as to why the service isn't being provided. We don't have to bow down and excuse everything the admins do. We are free to complain if we feel a fuck up has happened. For the most part, DPR has handled this wonderfully. But I hope our complaints are heard and something changes in the communication.

Do you understand that SR isn't your run of the mill site? i don't think you do. Yes in an ideal world it would be nice to have timely updates and know more about whats going on but just so you know SR is illegal so posting whats happening on this forum would be a very very bad move. LE obviously monitor this forum closely and any info gleamed from putting your mind at rest could compromise the whole site. Giving ETAs and the like just gives authorities more info than the should have. It was perfectly sensible for DPR to play his cards close to his chest despite how ever many people spat their dummy. Just try to remember its not Amazon and you have no governing body to put complaints to. just be happy such a site exists.
Title: Re: The sense of entitlement is horrifying me.
Post by: blackie on November 16, 2012, 01:27 pm
As much as I disagree with what some people have to say about Silk Road, it is still a service that us users are paying for. This is not a charity service. It is a commercial service and the owner(s) receive a very large cut of the profits (somebody else put the figure at $6,000 per day).

Yes, this site is amazing and we should be grateful for it, but that doesn't mean we should bend over and let the admin do whatever he wants. If people don't like the way the site is being operated and expect more from the admin, they have a right to say so.

The bottom line is that this is a business and the customers, buyers and sellers, expect a certain quality of service. They have that right.

I am unhappy with the lack of a proper explanation for the immense downtime.

If this was a free service, then yeah, we should all probably shut the fuck up and let DPR do his thing... but it's not.
Title: Re: The sense of entitlement is horrifying me.
Post by: soaponarope on November 16, 2012, 01:58 pm
And the sense of entitlement trundles on. Money is not the be all and end all, if he's making nothing or a million a day shouldn't factor into it at all. I for one need to open a new account and are waiting patiently to do so. In the mean time i can always use BMR and that's the crotch of the matter. His incentive is to get this site back up and running otherwise he looses his commission to BMR. There's more sites out there than SR its just that SR is the most known, and if it keeps the noobs away from other sites then that's fine with me.
Title: Re: The sense of entitlement is horrifying me.
Post by: hammerheaded101 on November 16, 2012, 02:11 pm
I m just glad the site is back up and running. Cant wait to get back into the mix .
Title: Re: The sense of entitlement is horrifying me.
Post by: luckysquid on November 16, 2012, 06:41 pm
I second the happiness that the site is back up.

Does anyone wonder if this is all connected? Something tells me Silk Road was attacked, not only in its website being pushed offline but in an onslaught of trolling to it's forum. Some kind of rival site maybe to make the community move there?
Who cares DPR has agreed to explain everything when the time is right, i'm certain when that time comes 'cleaning up the trolls' from the forum will certainly be a top priority also.   
Title: Re: The sense of entitlement is horrifying me.
Post by: addysfromscript on November 16, 2012, 06:47 pm
Idiotkid-  if I could +1 you, I would.  In fact, I'll come find this thread again after I hit 100 just to +1 you, lol.

I wonder how much of the "whining" might actually be LE.  If they can panic the SR population into believing that the site isn't viable and people stop using SR, it's just as effective for them as interdiction or arrests.

Yeah, it sounds silly but that's one of the most efficient ways I can think of for LE to chip away at this site.
Title: Re: The sense of entitlement is horrifying me.
Post by: Interzone on November 16, 2012, 06:50 pm
Yeah, consumers shouldn't care about whether or not they're getting quality assurance on some service that they're paying for that could very easily come from anywhere else. Oh wait, that's like just the sort of thing that consumers should be all over.
Title: Re: The sense of entitlement is horrifying me.
Post by: THUMBSuP. on November 16, 2012, 06:51 pm
there will always be idiot trolls no matter where you are...
or what you are doing. :(
face the facts. kids will be kids.




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