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Title: Electric Zoo canceled due to "We don't know but MDMA"
Post by: DrMDA on September 01, 2013, 09:09 pm
So two people die at Electric Zoo forcing them to close the festival and their quote is "We don't know why they died but it certainly was due to MDMA". I love it, they never do any toxicology reports, never do any blood work, they always declare deaths on MDMA based on a statement by one of their friends that they bought a green pill behind 7-11 that the dealer said was MDMA.
Title: Re: Electric Zoo canceled due to "We don't know but MDMA"
Post by: seafrog92 on September 01, 2013, 09:13 pm
i heard reports of bath salts. either case. moderation people! drugs obviously kill people. don't ruin everybody elses fun
Title: Re: Electric Zoo canceled due to "We don't know but MDMA"
Post by: DrMDA on September 01, 2013, 09:29 pm
My point is they take bath salts, speedballs, heroin, ect. and if they call it Ecstasy then all of a sudden MDMA is the killer. They always blame it on MDMA no matter what. If some dude shoots up 2 grams of China White and he just happens to be at a festival they will call it a MDMA related death. Total bullshit.
Title: Re: Electric Zoo canceled due to "We don't know but MDMA"
Post by: gtgeorgz on September 01, 2013, 09:35 pm
I will be willing to put my life, house and everything else I own betting it was not pure MDMA. But instead something sold as 'Molly' that is some dangerous mix of synthetic cathiones and other RC's which was used by some uneducated poor souls that have now lost their lives due to their own naive actions, but also due to scumbag dealer fucks that decide to peddle this dangerous RC shit as 'dope ass molly'/'pure MDMA bro'.
The whole American EDM/Molly scene is destroying the whole rave culture.
Title: Re: Electric Zoo canceled due to "We don't know but MDMA"
Post by: seafrog92 on September 02, 2013, 11:40 pm
i walked into my fathers house today, and what do i see. MOLLY on the today show. with my young brother watching it. i unplugged the tv before i heard something stupid come out of the reporters mouth 1 more time
Title: Re: Electric Zoo canceled due to "We don't know but MDMA"
Post by: Dingo Ate My Drugs on September 03, 2013, 03:03 am
I will be willing to put my life, house and everything else I own betting it was not pure MDMA. But instead something sold as 'Molly' that is some dangerous mix of synthetic cathiones and other RC's which was used by some uneducated poor souls that have now lost their lives due to their own naive actions, but also due to scumbag dealer fucks that decide to peddle this dangerous RC shit as 'dope ass molly'/'pure MDMA bro'.
The whole American EDM/Molly scene is destroying the whole rave culture.
Well they could have taken a very high dose of MDMA, but most likely it was PMA or some other chemical.

And they shut down a huge music festival event because 2 people died?
I don't want to sound rude here, but that's pretty extreme and unfair for everyone else.
Title: Re: Electric Zoo canceled due to "We don't know but MDMA"
Post by: Yousaf on September 03, 2013, 03:22 am
I've eaten 2 grams of molly at one time without knowing it thinking it was mescaline and nothing bad happened other than the fact of a nasty comedown and not being able to sleep for a day.  Either way it felt like a 200mg roll.  Anything eaten over 200mg still feels like 200mg to me.  I also have to report some pretty bad drops in blood pressure, could not even stand up the next day without feeling dizzy, was pretty bedridden. 
Title: Re: Electric Zoo canceled due to "We don't know but MDMA"
Post by: TrashBox on September 03, 2013, 03:40 am
too bad about electric zoo but there was a way more awesome festival happening this week, anyway.


Title: Re: Electric Zoo canceled due to "We don't know but MDMA"
Post by: Dingo Ate My Drugs on September 03, 2013, 03:41 am
I've eaten 2 grams of molly at one time without knowing it thinking it was mescaline and nothing bad happened other than the fact of a nasty comedown and not being able to sleep for a day.  Either way it felt like a 200mg roll.  Anything eaten over 200mg still feels like 200mg to me.  I also have to report some pretty bad drops in blood pressure, could not even stand up the next day without feeling dizzy, was pretty bedridden.
I know someone who had 1.2gm in a day and they had a mild overdose. Nothing bad, but 2 grams would have been a lot worse.
Your tolerance will be huge now. Yea I agree... Anything over about 200mg is a waste. You can't get any higher, but the comedown is worse and it makes tolerance much higher.
Title: Re: Electric Zoo canceled due to "We don't know but MDMA"
Post by: fuckmadagascar on September 03, 2013, 05:57 am
I'm waiting for some actual official information regarding what was taken. I swear, it isn't necessarily the drugs that are the problem - it's the lack of education surrounding them.

I can't imagine the victims being proper 21+ years old and buying whatever drug happens to be at a festival, assuming it's exactly what they're told it is. Maybe that didn't even know what MDMA is and assumed it was safe no matter who it came from, what it looked like, how much appeared to be going into their mouth?

My guess is it was two-fold: uneducated users, taking too much of a drug they did not research or test before consuming, and that it was not what they thought it was (probably an RC as speculated earlier in the thread).
Title: Re: Electric Zoo canceled due to "We don't know but MDMA"
Post by: gtgeorgz on September 03, 2013, 11:40 am
Yeah one of my mates was stupid enough to hide just over a gram under her tongue to sneak it into a club, she managed to swallow the whole thing waiting in the queue, someone took her back home and apparently she was just lying down with her eyes in the back on head making moaning noises, she had to have water thrown on her every so often to keep her temp down because she was sweating buckets. By the time we all got back she was still way fucked up and she said she was tripping pretty hard but having a good time haha. The day after her cognitive skills where almost non existent,
The LD/50 of MDMA is over 5.6g's at once. But obviously this doesn't take into account lack of fluids at time of consumption.
I'm guessing it was PMA that shit has a stupidly high dose response curve and has killed a lot of people over here in the UK already.
Title: Re: Electric Zoo canceled due to "We don't know but MDMA"
Post by: Bluto on September 03, 2013, 12:03 pm
clearnet: http://gothamist.com/2013/09/02/woman_who_died_at_electric_zoo_repo.php
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(Picture of smoking hot blonde and some guy in a sailor hat)

On Friday and Saturday, two people died and four were hospitalized due to Ecstasy-related illnesses at the Electric Zoo electronic music festival on Randall's Island. The deaths of Olivia Rotondo, 20, a University of New Hampshire junior from North Providence, RI, and Jeffery Russ, 23, a Syracuse University graduate from Rochester, ultimately prompting officials to cancel the third day of the event. Both died of an overdose from MDMA, more specifically molly, a more concentrated form of the drug. The Post reports that on Saturday Rotondo told an EMS worker, “I just took six hits of Molly,’’ before collapsing in a seizure and dying.




Hours before her death, Rotondo tweeted her excitement about attending the fifth annual Electric Zoo: “The amount of traveling I’ve done today is unreal. Just get me to the damn zoo." “She was the nicest girl I’ve ever had the pleasure of knowing,” Noah Burkholz, a friend who had traveled to the festival with her, told the Times.Her grandfather Henry Rotondo, 73, told the Post, “She was a great kid — that’s all I can tell you.”
Police do not believe that Rotondo and Russ knew each other. Russ, who died early Saturday morning, graduated from Syracuse University last year with a degree in information technology. “Now there will be no grandchildren, no nieces, no nephews, no wedding,” Russ’ father, John Russ, told the Daily News. “Everything you look forward to in life is gone because of one pill.”


Police say that the four concertgoers who also became critically ill due to drug use are expected to recover. In addition to all that, a 16-year-old girl was sexually assaulted and 31 people were arrested for offenses including drug sales, disorderly conduct, resisting arrest and possession of controlled substances. Many criticized the lax security and the lack of medical staff; one concertgoer told us that it took several hours to get Russ from the festival to the hospital. “You saw a lot of people puking and collapsing down and laying on the ground,” 19-year-old Christopher Stuebbe told the Times.




While some lashed out at Bloomberg and organizers for canceling events on Sunday, others defended the culture of the event. "I don't think EDM culture promotes drug use at all. Young people are experimental by nature because they have no sense of their own mortality," Leslie Doyle, who has attended Electric Zoo festivals over the years and planned to go on Sunday, wrote us. "Acts of violence would be a good reason to shut down a music festival, there was none of that! This administration reacted to 6 people who made unfortunate personal choices. Their decision to shut down EZoo has tarnished the experience for the collective group of tens of thousands."


"EZoo officials go to great lengths to make this an Eco friendly event, and the DJs make announcements advising people to take care of themselves," she added. "There will always be a few people that lose control. Shutting down Zoo is one more example of the Bloomberg Administration's nannyism. When people die of alcohol poisoning, are they going to shut down the restaurants and bars who serve them?"


Contact the author of this article or email tips@gothamist.com with further questions, comments or tips.
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There are people, drug dealers even -who cut drugs with weird shit (could be PMMA). Then there are are partiers who take 6 hits at once. That's a bad combination.

For the first problem get a screening kit:
(again Clearnet) http://dancesafe.org/products/complete-screening-kit
(Somebody on SR please buy these in bulk and relist)

For the second problem:
Don't take 6 hits at once unless you are familiar with the substance.
Title: Re: Electric Zoo canceled due to "We don't know but MDMA"
Post by: danconia on September 03, 2013, 01:14 pm
And this is why we should always advise people to buy testing kits.  I highly doubt it was ~600mg of MDMA that killed her.  And let's be honest if you're a girl then you should not be taking 6 pills of *anything* unless you've tested it.

I am in agreement with you guys that the news / media is jumping all over "Molly" when, of course, there haven't been any conclusive tests on exactly what was in her system.  At least not from what I've heard because I believe those types of tests occur during autopsy and take a bit of time before they reach a conclusion.
Title: Re: Electric Zoo canceled due to "We don't know but MDMA"
Post by: gtgeorgz on September 03, 2013, 08:47 pm
clearnet: http://gothamist.com/2013/09/02/woman_who_died_at_electric_zoo_repo.php
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Both died of an overdose from MDMA, more specifically molly, a more concentrated form of the drug.

Wtf? Who even writes this bullshit...?
They haven't even done a toxicology report yet. And since when has "molly" been a more concentrated version?! I bet 'molly' 90%+ of the time doesn't contain any MDMA at all.
Title: Re: Electric Zoo canceled due to "We don't know but MDMA"
Post by: Dingo Ate My Drugs on September 03, 2013, 10:51 pm
clearnet: http://gothamist.com/2013/09/02/woman_who_died_at_electric_zoo_repo.php
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Both died of an overdose from MDMA, more specifically molly, a more concentrated form of the drug.

Wtf? Who even writes this bullshit...?
They haven't even done a toxicology report yet. And since when has "molly" been a more concentrated version?! I bet 'molly' 90%+ of the time doesn't contain any MDMA at all.
Idiot journalists who just write what they think people will like. It makes people concerned and scared of this drug. And if it's concentrated, oh it's even scarier.
I see articles all the time where they write something like this: "Police used sniffer dogs at the music festival to catch out drug users, which could have saved their lives. They seized cannabis, amphetamines, speed, ecstasy, MDMA, magic mushrooms, ice, cocaine, GBH & crystal meth"

Speed is just another name for amphetamine and ice is another name for crystal meth and GHB is often written as GBH for some reason.
It'd be good if they could at least write the article properly.
Title: Re: Electric Zoo canceled due to "We don't know but MDMA"
Post by: slirp on September 03, 2013, 11:03 pm
There's a Forbes article after this on how awful MDMA is.  Full of misinformation: http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertglatter/2013/09/02/recent-concert-deaths-highlight-dangers-of-molly/

The author  Robert Glatter is an MD but goes outside of his area of expertise and talks about what "molly" might be adulterated with citing examples such as "methamphetamine, heroin, ketamine, cocaine or synthetic cannabinoids such as mephedrone."

MDMA is pretty fucking unlikely to be adulterated with ketamine or heroin or cocaine or even meth which is more expensive.  And real mephedrone is not to be found anywhere.  If he had a clue he would know that methylone is often being sold as MDMA.  But anyway he is just making this war on drugs mess even worse.  Parents will read his article, talk to their kids and their kids will have even less respect for the shit coming out of their parents mouths.
Title: Re: Electric Zoo canceled due to "We don't know but MDMA"
Post by: Dingo Ate My Drugs on September 04, 2013, 03:01 am
There's a Forbes article after this on how awful MDMA is.  Full of misinformation: http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertglatter/2013/09/02/recent-concert-deaths-highlight-dangers-of-molly/

The author  Robert Glatter is an MD but goes outside of his area of expertise and talks about what "molly" might be adulterated with citing examples such as "methamphetamine, heroin, ketamine, cocaine or synthetic cannabinoids such as mephedrone."

MDMA is pretty fucking unlikely to be adulterated with ketamine or heroin or cocaine or even meth which is more expensive.  And real mephedrone is not to be found anywhere.  If he had a clue he would know that methylone is often being sold as MDMA.  But anyway he is just making this war on drugs mess even worse.  Parents will read his article, talk to their kids and their kids will have even less respect for the shit coming out of their parents mouths.
Just read the article. it makes me angry that the reporters who write these articles are so ignorant and don't even bother to do the slightest bit of research.
Molly is a nickname for the pure, crystal MDMA. besides, the Government stance on drugs is contradictory.
In Australia, they have an anti-drug campaign against ecstasy use which says "Ecstasy: face facts. You don't know where it came from, or what's in it."

If it were legal and controlled, we WOULD know what's in a pill. The only deaths I've heard of recently were when a whole lot of people consumed PMA pills.
Pill testing at clubs and festivals probably would have prevented these deaths. People need to be educated on facts, not myths of drugs.
Title: Re: Electric Zoo canceled due to "We don't know but MDMA"
Post by: SpaceAce on September 04, 2013, 03:22 am
Wow the authors of both those articles are fucking stupid. I could write all night about how fucking stupid they are...sigh

Silkroad will help kids to not die at least by obtaining quality.
Title: Re: Electric Zoo canceled due to "We don't know but MDMA"
Post by: fuckmadagascar on September 04, 2013, 06:56 am
I'm glad you folks know better than to believe the bullshit in these articles.

Unfortunately, it seems very few people off the Road are as skeptic as I when any drug-related news ("news") makes headlines.
Title: Re: Electric Zoo canceled due to "We don't know but MDMA"
Post by: blueberry34 on September 04, 2013, 07:00 am
this is just the media being the media

they know that mdma is extremely popular among the community. so, they say everything they can to make it look bad so they can continue making ravers look like scum, drug addicts. it gives the media something to talk about and blame stuff on. the ones who passed away (RIP) probably, sadly, didn't even have any actual mdma in their systems. just what they "thought" was molly.

it's all about being responsible. i don't expect everyone to carry reagent kits in their pockets at all times, but if you don't actually know for sure what drug you are holding, don't take it! that IS how you die. shit like this makes everything so much worse for all the responsible drug users of the world
Title: Re: Electric Zoo canceled due to "We don't know but MDMA"
Post by: Dingo Ate My Drugs on September 04, 2013, 07:18 am
this is just the media being the media

they know that mdma is extremely popular among the community. so, they say everything they can to make it look bad so they can continue making ravers look like scum, drug addicts. it gives the media something to talk about and blame stuff on. the ones who passed away (RIP) probably, sadly, didn't even have any actual mdma in their systems. just what they "thought" was molly.

it's all about being responsible. i don't expect everyone to carry reagent kits in their pockets at all times, but if you don't actually know for sure what drug you are holding, don't take it! that IS how you die. shit like this makes everything so much worse for all the responsible drug users of the world
Yes I have told people that I use MDMA. Most people I know are drug users too, or have used drugs in the past, but some people cannot be told. I have been labelled a junkie because I told them I took 1/3gm MDMA at a music festival. It's easier to not even bother arguing.

Well drug use is becoming more and more socially acceptable IMO. People are far more open about drug use and I've even see people advertise their drugs on facebook (Very stupid idea), or people updating their status to things like "Can anyone get on?" Then someone immediately says "PM me." Very stupid to do this on FB, but it is becoming common
Title: Re: Electric Zoo canceled due to "We don't know but MDMA"
Post by: slirp on September 04, 2013, 01:01 pm
The girl talked about taking "6 hits" so I wonder if she took 25i-NBOMe.