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Title: DXM a "pathetic" drug?
Post by: bynter on June 20, 2012, 04:06 pm
Seems like most experienced drug users look down upon it. Like once I was late night tripping, and when I started talking to some stoners. When I told them I was on DXM, they laughed, and were be telling me "Robotrip from the comfort of your own home." Many others also seem to look down upon, as though the effects aren't as intoxicating as they are. Though considering Ive never done anything harder, maybe i just don't know what a serious high. 
Title: Re: DXM a "pathetic" drug?
Post by: davebowman on June 20, 2012, 05:28 pm
I tried dxm in grade 8 before I knew where to buy weed. Its not that dxm isn't powerful, it certainly can be. The fact that its otc implies, oh you just don't know where to get real drugs. I would say that in my experience dxm is pretty gross, and not as much fun as any illegal drug I can think of. I remember it being really a weird experience. If there were any reason to look down on it, it would be the perception that dxm is kiddie stuff, the same way that someone who does a lot of speed or shoots meth would look at someone who is bragging about their adderall prescription and would say, oh thats kiddie stuff.
Title: Re: DXM a "pathetic" drug?
Post by: blackend646 on June 20, 2012, 05:45 pm
It's completely arbitrary and ridiculous to start declaring what substances are "pathetic" or "illegal" and whatnot. They are chemicals all the same.

That said, I can't imagine why anyone who knows about Silkroad would be fucking around with cough syrup. Though I've never tried it myself so who knows
Title: Re: DXM a "pathetic" drug?
Post by: mito on June 20, 2012, 06:17 pm
Cigarettes are ridiculous...











:D
Title: Re: DXM a "pathetic" drug?
Post by: ZA6wUw8a on June 20, 2012, 06:42 pm
Yeah, it has been my experience as well that DXM has the reputation of being for kids with coughs and sniffles.
Usually the "pathetic" accusations originate from:
1) inexperienced users of DXM
2) people who've taken syrup and not gels/powder   
3) people who've not exceeded 300mg in dose

The drug itself, is widely available and legal, which I think makes it paradoxically less desirable to some.
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We would have injected vitamin C if only they had made it illegal

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"Robotrip from the comfort of your own home."
I certainly wouldn't like a group of people in my home all on 900mg DXM. One time, a friend of mine dosed 1,100mg, while I chilled around to make sure he was OK. It was an incredibly boring experience. The dude sat almost in the same position for more than 3 hours, just staring wide-eyed at something in the ceiling and non-stop rubbing his nipples.   

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That said, I can't imagine why anyone who knows about Silkroad would be fucking around with cough syrup. Though I've never tried it myself so who knows
Remember that DXM doesn't necessarily mean cough syrup. I've never had DXM cough syrup for recreational purposes, but tripped on dex close to 50 times in the last decade (mostly capsules).

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It's completely arbitrary and ridiculous to start declaring what substances are "pathetic" or "illegal" and whatnot. They are chemicals all the same.
Exactly. I wish more people understood this.


Title: Re: DXM a "pathetic" drug?
Post by: bynter on June 20, 2012, 08:08 pm
It's completely arbitrary and ridiculous to start declaring what substances are "pathetic" or "illegal" and whatnot. They are chemicals all the same.

That said, I can't imagine why anyone who knows about Silkroad would be fucking around with cough syrup. Though I've never tried it myself so who knows

Non-addictive safe legal and can get you really fucked up? Also, something like Delsym isn't nasty to drink, it's concentrated as fuck and doesn't taste bad.
Title: Re: DXM a "pathetic" drug?
Post by: jgoods23 on June 20, 2012, 09:00 pm
I agree with ZA6wUw8a most of the people who talk down about DXM either haven't had the full experience or associate it with stupid high schoolers who will try just about anything to get high.

I have done it a few times, I just don't really like it very much. It feels harder on the body than MXE or Ketamine, so those are my choices for disassociating should I feel the need to. Although DXM does seem to take you to a different place than MXE or Ketamine take you to.
Title: Re: DXM a "pathetic" drug?
Post by: Delta11 on June 20, 2012, 10:28 pm
I wouldn't say it's pathetic but for me personally there's no need to do it when the alternatives are a lot better, it's definitely an experience to try though.
Title: Re: DXM a "pathetic" drug?
Post by: BoNgOn on June 21, 2012, 12:11 am
Tried DXM once that was enough for me, seems heavy on the body and mind without any pleasantness, just an intoxicated heavy cross eyed ride. Dosed to hit the third plateau but it just sucked, people came over and I could hardly see straight and slurred my speech like a massive mxe dose.   
Title: Re: DXM a "pathetic" drug?
Post by: Horizons on June 21, 2012, 12:33 am
DXM is considered pathetic because it's the active ingredient in several brands of cough syrup. BEcause of that, it has a stigma that the only people who might want to take it are stupid kids who can't get other drugs because they don't know any dealers and are too young to buy booze.

Also, because robotripping is horrible and disgusting, all that gunk in the syrup makes for a horrible body load that even extends towards the next day. I only did cough syrup recreationally once, several years ago, and to this day the smell of it gets my gag reflex going. I can't even take normal doses for actually suppressing cough and I feel sick.

That said, if you can get your hands on pure DXM, it's a great replacement for ketamine or MXE. Before I got in the habit of meditating, I loved to mix DXM powder in my shroom tea to boost the trip. But IMO once you learn to silence your body and mind, it becomes redundant. It might still be good because of the famous "afterglow" - I remember that it would put a huge spring in my step for the two or three days following my using it.

So, in sum, the stigma is retarded - but if you apply it only to "DXM-containing cough syrup" instead of to "DXM" in general it's a lot less retarded.
Title: Re: DXM a "pathetic" drug?
Post by: harryanslinger on June 21, 2012, 12:47 am
DXM is a pretty unique dissociative and gets less credit than it deserves. It has been really fun for me– I've had stretches where I did it a few days in a row. But after that, I sortof felt above it. It's become more of a desperation drug. I'd never do it if there was ANY other drug around (aside from weed; it goes amazing with weed).
Title: Re: DXM a "pathetic" drug?
Post by: kmfkewm on June 21, 2012, 01:15 am
DXM is like ketamine for high school kids who can't get ketamine.
Title: Re: DXM a "pathetic" drug?
Post by: BigScrote on June 22, 2012, 12:47 am
Cigarettes are ridiculous...











:D

This one's pretty much irrefutable!

I don't even think Jerry touched those ;)
Title: Re: DXM a "pathetic" drug?
Post by: mito on June 22, 2012, 05:11 pm
Cigarettes are ridiculous...





 :D

This one's pretty much irrefutable!

I don't even think Jerry touched those ;)


He was a good man.

May God me with him as we speak.
Title: Re: DXM a "pathetic" drug?
Post by: LiquidEater on June 22, 2012, 05:17 pm
I've done a number of drugs including DXM, which I tried after cannabis, nutmeg, ecstasy and I believe LSD.

After doing it again recently I have to say it's a pretty pathetic drug, for me anyway. It reduces me to a useless sack of blind, numb, nauseous shit. I don't know why I even tried upping my dosage to 600mg one day. It's a waste of money and time at least in my eyes. Though I am also quitting about 3 years of cannabis use so I may be taking on a different view of drugs in general.

I just don't think it has any benefit. Who knows I may try some pure product here on the road and see where it takes me. Can anyone compare Ketamine to DXM? DXM has turned me off to Ketamine which I have seen described, and from what I saw and heard sounded awesome. After taking DXM however and lying on the couch not being able to feel my toes, fingers and crotch I just don't know.

Cheers!

-Liquid Eater 
Title: Re: DXM a "pathetic" drug?
Post by: Horizons on June 22, 2012, 08:29 pm
Can anyone compare Ketamine to DXM? DXM has turned me off to Ketamine which I have seen described, and from what I saw and heard sounded awesome. After taking DXM however and lying on the couch not being able to feel my toes, fingers and crotch I just don't know.

Ketamine is like DXM's older brother who goes out to work and bring in the dough every day, while DXM stays at home plating videogames and masturbating. It's serious fucking business. It has less of an afterglow, lasts for way shorter and is way more intense. Their quality is different in a way that's a bit hard to describe, but you could say that DXM is more sensorial (visuals, numbness, etc) while ketamine is more of a mindfuck. They both throw your motor skills to shit while in effect though, so from the outsider's perspective a guy tripping on either one is the same.

To me, the great thing about dissociatives is mixing a little bit of them with a big bit of psychedelics. That's where the magic happens.
Title: Re: DXM a "pathetic" drug?
Post by: harryanslinger on June 22, 2012, 11:51 pm
I think a good way to describe ketamine is that it's fucking confusing. It only lasts an hour so I wouldn't call it a trip, but I redose like every 40 minutes and just keep going deeper and deeper.
Title: Re: DXM a "pathetic" drug?
Post by: LeftCrtl on June 23, 2012, 06:06 am
In my opinion DXM is a dirty drug. It's hard to explain but you feel dirty when taking it. It's also highly unpredictable.
Title: Re: DXM a "pathetic" drug?
Post by: NeuroRelativizer on June 25, 2012, 10:51 pm
In cough syrup it feels nasty, and, well, syrupy. In a really bad way. Fucked up my motor skills more than K.

Parachuting powder felt cleaner but not any more positive or helpful or good in any way. It just... was.

There's zero reason to take DXM when you could take almost anything else, imo. Especially since I've had two friends who battled (and defeated) DXM addiction but on the way there they'd get excited when they had cough syrup or powder, take it, and be horridly depressed and self-loathing halfway through.
Title: Re: DXM a "pathetic" drug?
Post by: bynter on June 25, 2012, 11:10 pm
DXM addiction

How does that work? I thought it was incapable of developing a physical dependence, and you're tolerant by the time you can be psychologicaly dependent.
Title: Re: DXM a "pathetic" drug?
Post by: conehead on June 25, 2012, 11:14 pm
Yes cigarettes are pathetic.

I would not call DXM pathetic, but it's certainly a BAD drug. It has a nasty body load to it, horrible side effects, and there are plenty of drugs that are far better than it in it's category, and other categories.

I look down on people who use it the same was I look down on people who huff freon from A/C's, and people who inhale butane or duster. It's really bad. Don't do it. I'm not a snob, I'm just sensible. ;)
Title: Re: DXM a "pathetic" drug?
Post by: Limetless on June 25, 2012, 11:15 pm
I think it depends how you take it, if you get it in bottles and take it like that, yeah it's silly but if you buy the HBR powder then I think it's ok. I quite like doing lines of it.

Would anyone actually want to buy it in powder form? I could literally sell grams for maybe a £10 a go.
Title: Re: DXM a "pathetic" drug?
Post by: NeuroRelativizer on June 25, 2012, 11:38 pm
How does that work? I thought it was incapable of developing a physical dependence, and you're tolerant by the time you can be psychologicaly dependent.

"Wow, I'm so glad we got powder, it feels so much cleaner than the cough syrup, that shit is horrible and nasty. I'm never doing cough syrup again."
After the powder runs out... (2-3 days after)
"Hey, man. Yeah... I'm going to be on DXM tonight, jacked some 'tussin from the store."

Psychological addiction doesn't really have any rules.
Title: Re: DXM a "pathetic" drug?
Post by: kmfkewm on June 26, 2012, 03:46 am
Yes cigarettes are pathetic.

I would not call DXM pathetic, but it's certainly a BAD drug. It has a nasty body load to it, horrible side effects, and there are plenty of drugs that are far better than it in it's category, and other categories.

I look down on people who use it the same was I look down on people who huff freon from A/C's, and people who inhale butane or duster. It's really bad. Don't do it. I'm not a snob, I'm just sensible. ;)

Comparing DXM to huffing freon or duster is just stupid. DXM has a mechanism of action that is separate from "brain cells dying from asphyxiation".  I think DXM is a pleasant enough drug, but I do think it can cause  bad long term side effects if it is used frequently. I think ketamine and DXM are similar, but with ketamine being better in every single possible way. 
Title: Re: DXM a "pathetic" drug?
Post by: Limetless on June 26, 2012, 04:25 am
Yes cigarettes are pathetic.

I would not call DXM pathetic, but it's certainly a BAD drug. It has a nasty body load to it, horrible side effects, and there are plenty of drugs that are far better than it in it's category, and other categories.

I look down on people who use it the same was I look down on people who huff freon from A/C's, and people who inhale butane or duster. It's really bad. Don't do it. I'm not a snob, I'm just sensible. ;)

Comparing DXM to huffing freon or duster is just stupid. DXM has a mechanism of action that is separate from "brain cells dying from asphyxiation".  I think DXM is a pleasant enough drug, but I do think it can cause  bad long term side effects if it is used frequently. I think ketamine and DXM are similar, but with ketamine being better in every single possible way.

Indeed! Comparing DXM to huffing shit makes you sound like that daft bitch Lionheart from the DEA (YouTube - Polis Questions DEA On Marijuana Policy). I like DXM when you want something a bit darker than K but don't like MXE. It combines well nice with Bing/MD/Meph.
Title: Re: DXM a "pathetic" drug?
Post by: DisgruntledUser on June 26, 2012, 04:40 am
DXM is my personal favourite drug. It is literally the MOST useful drug to have in your stash at all times.

It can be used to potentiate opiates greatly, and taking a normal medicinal dose daily reduces tolerance buildup.

It can be used by itself as a stimulant (1st plateau), an MDMA substitute (2nd Plateau), a psychedelic (3rd Plateau) or an 8 hour K-hole (4th Plateau). It can also be used as an EXPERIMENTAL DO NOT TRY WITHOUT THREE TRIP SITTERS AND A GUARD DOG sort of drug with the mythical 5th or Sigma Plateau.

It can be used as an anti-depressant.

In a pinch it can help you stop coughing. :P
Title: Re: DXM a "pathetic" drug?
Post by: DisgruntledUser on June 26, 2012, 04:46 am
Oh I forgot a few things.

It can help you take much larger hits.

Yes the syrup is nasty, but throwing up is a magical experience on DXM. Also, anyone with basic chemistry knowledge can easily separate the syrup from the crystals.

It's also incredibly interesting in the way it build tolerance.
Its not like you have to take more and more to get the same feeling (like, every plateau is shifted up 100mgs), it works by plateau. I had far far too many 2nd plateaus in my day, so now I simply can't have them. 1st still works at the same dosage as before, 3rd still works at the same dosage as before, but 2nd is just gone. As I understand it, that's permanent, which is a shame, but still hugely interesting from a psychopharmacological position.
Title: Re: DXM a "pathetic" drug?
Post by: Limetless on June 26, 2012, 04:48 am
Would it be popular here? I considered getting it before (the powder) because it's ULTIMATELY cheap. I could sell it for a £10 a g.
Title: Re: DXM a "pathetic" drug?
Post by: DisgruntledUser on June 26, 2012, 05:07 am
Would it be popular here? I considered getting it before (the powder) because it's ULTIMATELY cheap. I could sell it for a £10 a g.

I remember that here, it's used as a substitute (or bait-and-switch) for things that we are dry of, specifically MDMA and LSD. I bet that if you had enough, you could find enough interested buyers to turn a profit, but I don't see it becoming runaway hit. Go to raves and sell it in 400mg quantities for however much your poundy equivalent of one hit of acid is.
Title: Re: DXM a "pathetic" drug?
Post by: Limetless on June 26, 2012, 05:14 am
Well I can get a kilo for under a grand in sterling so I could literally do it at £10 a g and still make a wedge. That's why I think it could be cool because it's so cheap.
Title: Re: DXM a "pathetic" drug?
Post by: DisgruntledUser on June 26, 2012, 05:23 am
Well it is a given that your biggest problem would be finding enough people interested. DXM is rather notorious for being love-it-or-hate-it (off the top of my head, I think the ratio was one would love it, one like it and one hate it), and it has a babbysfirstdrug stigma. Getting past that will be your biggest problem.

But by all means, do try, I would love to see DXM become cool. Be the Owl Stanley of DXM :P
Title: Re: DXM a "pathetic" drug?
Post by: Limetless on June 26, 2012, 05:33 am
Well it is a given that your biggest problem would be finding enough people interested. DXM is rather notorious for being love-it-or-hate-it (off the top of my head, I think the ratio was one would love it, one like it and one hate it), and it has a babbysfirstdrug stigma. Getting past that will be your biggest problem.

But by all means, do try, I would love to see DXM become cool. Be the Owl Stanley of DXM :P

Yeah I see what you mean to be fair. Annoys me it has that stigma because it doesn't at all in the U.K. Nobody knows what it is here.
Title: Re: DXM a "pathetic" drug?
Post by: Limetless on June 26, 2012, 06:02 am
Fuck England must be awesome, considering that's where my benzos and pot seeds come from.

Haha yeah it ain't bad, the only shit bit about the U.K is the Bing. I got given some by a friend that sells it because he wanted me to test it for him and it was under 20% lol, over 40% was Phet. Baring in mind this guy sells this stuff for £100 a g you can work out the state of Bing in the U.S....
Title: Re: DXM a "pathetic" drug?
Post by: Limetless on June 26, 2012, 06:59 am
Not to mention you got me saying bing. I don't partake in coke, and every time someone mentions it I'll say bing and they'll think I mean the search engine.  :o

Lol yeah I am trying to spread the Limisms. :P
Title: Re: DXM a "pathetic" drug?
Post by: gavrilov on June 26, 2012, 11:35 pm
Me and my friends had some of our most interesting trips while on DXM, and before we built a significant tolerance we'd been in love with it. Google for William White's DXM FAQ if you want to learn how versatile and complex substance it is. Calling it pathetic just because it is legal or because psychoactive doses are larger than antitussive ones is just laughable.

As for long-term side effects mentioned by kmfkewm - I only heard about visual noise in heavy/frequent users, but I will trade bladder problems caused by ketamine for visual noise any day.