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Discussion => Shipping => Topic started by: sickboy on November 17, 2011, 06:46 pm
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I recently lost a NL order and although my domestic orders still arrive, I just feel too nervous to try Customs with that same P.O. Box.
So my question is this: do I get another P.O. Box with USPS or do I get one at the UPS store?
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Get one using a fake ID at a Mom and Pop store, that's the best way to go.
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Get one using a fake ID at a Mom and Pop store, that's the best way to go.
Really? What sort of store do you mean? I've never really heard of anything other than UPS or the Post Office itself.
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Do a google search for private mail box companies in your area. There are a few chains, and some mom and pop. I'd trust any of those over USPS or UPS, and I don't know for sure but I would assume that their prices are competitive. They also probably have 24/7 access.
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Do a google search for private mail box companies in your area. There are a few chains, and some mom and pop. I'd trust any of those over USPS or UPS, and I don't know for sure but I would assume that their prices are competitive. They also probably have 24/7 access.
Thanx!
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Use a decent sounding business name, and you can open with your real name. Example: "American Toy and Novelty Promotions" that shit sails past the inspectors as long as the packaging is good. Works for me for over 50 orders. Only one order seized at customs, and I just decided to keep it domestic. But business names, plus a good vendor who knows how to ship, equals drugs to your door.
Enjoy.
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Use a decent sounding business name, and you can open with your real name. Example: "American Toy and Novelty Promotions" that shit sails past the inspectors as long as the packaging is good. Works for me for over 50 orders. Only one order seized at customs, and I just decided to keep it domestic. But business names, plus a good vendor who knows how to ship, equals drugs to your door.
Enjoy.
More good advice, thank you. I am assuming that I will not have to provide any proof that my fake business exits. Correct? Just write any old fake business on the application?
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Most of the mom and pop mail box shipping places will have a line on the form, as will UPS store, saying, "receiving mail in the name of", that's where you put the business name. This is America, at least where I am, and the small business, sole proprietor, is king.
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Most of the mom and pop mail box shipping places will have a line on the form, as will UPS store, saying, "receiving mail in the name of", that's where you put the business name. This is America, at least where I am, and the small business, sole proprietor, is king.
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That is what I will do exactly. Thanx.
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Well I hate to be a downer but where I live even the mom & pop stores that have post office boxes ask for two forms of ID (one of the IDs has to be government issued). Perhaps things are different in your part of the world but I know I've read of other people who've run in to the same ID requirements from places that have non-USPS post office boxes.
And a fake ID is probably not the answer here. If the law finds out what's in your special package & is waiting for you, then you have to explain why you used a fake ID to open that PO box. In that case it becomes quite difficult to claim that you had no idea someone mailed you narcotics.
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I thought about the fake ID. Decided against it. What I am really wanting is a different mailbox now that my old P.O. Box may have been flagged after loosing a few EU orders. Being able to put a fake business name instead of my real name would be a plus I believe.
Also, where I live, nobody gets USPS delivery. It is a very rural area. Evertbody uses the post office or the UPS store.
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I will give you one other refinement:
Have a great mix of mail going to the box. Get shit from Amazon in the corp name, get letters, samples, catalogs, at least a doxen pieces per week or more, because if all you get is SR goodies.......ya know?
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I will give you one other refinement:
Have a great mix of mail going to the box. Get shit from Amazon in the corp name, get letters, samples, catalogs, at least a doxen pieces per week or more, because if all you get is SR goodies.......ya know?
This is good advice. I have already been doing this with my original PO Box. Thanx though!
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How do you guys protect againt's LE waiting for your at the PO box?
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How do you guys protect againt's LE waiting for your at the PO box?
I really doubt that LE would waist time staking-out a P.O. Box. They would have to have an undercover on duty 24/7 just fer yer gram of MDMA. Il really don't think it would be worth it fer them. Maybe if the P.O. Box was registered to Pablo Escobar er someone.
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How do you guys protect againt's LE waiting for your at the PO box?
Just leave it in there for a while. Time is money, and LE doesn't typically have a lot of extra money to pay people to sit on a box 24/7 for relatively small amounts.
How do you guys protect againt's LE waiting for your at the PO box?
I really doubt that LE would waist time staking-out a P.O. Box. They would have to have an undercover on duty 24/7 just fer yer gram of MDMA. Il really don't think it would be worth it fer them. Maybe if the P.O. Box was registered to Pablo Escobar er someone.
If it's just a gram, they'll just give you a love letter. They only do controlled deliveries for larger amounts.
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Is there any kind of private mailbox that is a bad idea. Is it better to go with the UPS store vs the regular post office vs Mailboxes Etc. I saw the advice about Mom & Pop mailbox places, but I'm not sure if those are around me.
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UPS would be preferred over USPS, but they're still a big company that's likely to have tougher ID checks, cameras everywhere, etc. while smaller mom&pop shops are likely not as strict.
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An advantage to a USPS P.O. Box is that you will have your mail delivered to it before noon.
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..or they put a parcel collection slip in the box....{UK}
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Start a business that receives mail from 'different parts' of the country, or internationally
Make your 'profits' small to explain why you don't get boatloads of packages. Also have a reason to explain why you can not contact the person who sent the package, such as... having the business operate in a way where people send you packages, containing information on what to do with the contents of the packages - For instance, America's funniest home videos would get tapes from all over the country without prior awareness that the package would be coming to them from whoever sent it. They found out they had it when they got it.
You can not be held liable for people sending packages containing illegal contents to your business. The feds have no way of knowing all your previous packages contained illegal contents, since they aren't going to ever let you keep drugs to see if you were lying to them..
A business that gets mail from all over the world can in no way be prosecuted for packages containing illegal contents if they had no idea the contents were illegal. If they were going to bust you for the package they're not going to let you keep it and open it.
Have it addressed to your business name and not you personally, and walaa, perfect case. There's no way you can get in trouble for the package.
You could even make a fake set up by reporting drugs you've received once before and say you can't have illegal contents like this sent to your box. This will set up the guise that you are against drugs and people have tried to send them to you before. They're not going to go out of their way to scan/check your mail for future purposes either, that would require too much resources on their behalf for a single person.
Perfect.
As for the business idea, that's up to you. It's not hard to come up with a small business that provides a service for people. PLUS, this gives you a front for illegitament income, if you do it correctly.
Disclaimer: I am in no way claiming that I have done anything like this before, nor am I claiming that I have deceived the feds with this trick when received packages were questioned by authorities in the past ;).
Enjoy.
Edit: Also, a good thing to keep in mind. If you decide to use the fake anti-drug guise by reporting a package, be sure to order from a vendor or do it to a package that is different from the usual packages you receive. Rather, don't report one of the usual packages you get because this can put them on alert to future packages you receive, instead, make it an irregular type of package that isn't received very often. This may not matter much, but it can aid your efforts.
Edit: Be sure to get your business registered with the IRS and with the Secretary of state office to increase your legitimacy. Registering the business with the IRS is free, in my state, sec of state office cost a bit of money($100-$200). You must be 18 to do any of this.
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I have somewhat of a different take as I DO use several PMB's (Legit and mixed legit / funny business):
I would use a PMB and not worry about the ID docs (the discloure forms used when you open thje box), because they only hold these and do not forward or register the information. Only in the instance of a moneylaundering or drug bust case they will trun the data over when a subpeona warrant is served. Until that time, the mom and pops just keep them in a dark, dismal filing cabinet. I ahve checked this out here with the companies I get my PMBs from.
I also would not use the "oMG! Drugs came here" as a ruse. There is no need to fly the caution flag up for the authorities. but, instead, DO use an innocuous business name and have many things from Amazon and free sample and junk mailers sent to that box. A big pile of crap.
Other than that, have your vendors cooperate by using a fake or real return address from a businessy sounding name, such as A1 electronics supply, or from a service business, like a fake insurance agency, etc. Some vendors will do this for me.
The bottom line is that there is a gerat advantage in having any package go to a business name at a PMB, even if you used legit ID to open the box, especially at a mom and pop or UPS store.
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Cgault, I do not know what a PMB, means but I'm going to assume it means something along the lines of postal mail box? It sounds like a PO Box the way you describe it, so I'll go with that.
Think in terms of someone running a business, not breaking the law. Why would someone not report illegal packages if they are just a business doing what they do following the law? By reporting an illegal package you are only establishing your image even further as someone running a legit business and nothing else.
This is not going to cause authorities to check just your mail even more, or anything of that nature, nor will it raise flags on your. By acting freaked out enough about this, acting like it's a big deal, the most they will do is reassure you that they do all they can to prevent situations like this and that you took correct action by doing what you did. They're not going to give you special treatment by hand checking your packages.
Also, it seems very out of the ordinary, in my opinion, to have Amazon, and a bunch of junk mailers, constantly sending to a Business PO Box. Especially a small business. Unless of course it is you personally ordering things to your business PO Box, but then that would defeat the purpose of having the big pile of crap, as you ordered it. The story doesn't add up in my mind. I just open a PO Box in less than a year, let alone, a few weeks, I have organizations somehow gotten the address and sending me junk mail? Doesn't sound likely at all.
There could be a number of reasons somebody sends a new business drugs:
To try to frame/set them up.
To try to ruin their image.
Someone that hates the founder found out and tried to do the above things.
Perhaps the sender got the address of by a number and it was supposed to go to a neighboring PO Box.
Etc.
By reporting it and acting and truly beliving the lie, that these drugs arrived in your PO Box, and you had no part of it, then you are putting the heat off of you, and on the other options. As I said, all an officer will do is reassure they do all they can to stop things like this, and it's unlikely your one event will start some chain of special treatment in mail checkings.
Besides, what criminal would be 'stupid' enough to attract law enforcement attention to the primary source of his criminality. This isn't like some jackass putting a cop bumper sticker on his car(that's too suckupish and points to certain profiling of the person).
You're acting like a criminal saying things like "There is no need to fly the caution flag up for the authorities.". By acting like a criminal, you will soon found out to be a criminal. By acting normal, you will be seen as normal.
It's just like those mexicans who drive utterely slow because they don't have their liscense, or beacuse they're illegal. They're thinking that as long as they don't break the law, they'll be fine, yet they drive 37 in a 45 in a car with paper tags -.-.
The point I'm trying to make is, you want to be doing things normal people would be doing. By calling the police on an illegal package, you are not only doing something a normal person would do, but you are also marking a history of drugs coming to your PO Box that you didn't order. So if it happens again, obviously they're not going to let you keep the drugs to try to frame you. If they ever find them in the future by chance, you get to say, "This isn't the first time this has happened as you may know, I'm glad you guys caught it this time", or something along those lines. Plus, if you have reported it once in the past, it prevents you from being arrested on site(or it will lower the chances greatly) because they won't come to that first, usual conclusion that "Oh this guy ordered drugs", instead, it will be, "Drugs got sent accidentally/intentionally to this guy again"
In any case, if you have a past history of you reporting drugs received in the mail, you are less likely on a great scale of being tried and prosecuted, because you have a greater argument for your case.
In my eyes, this move only adds to your safety and security, not making the move just leaves a bunch of loose ends hanging and flopping around, that would have been tied up by making this move. That's how I see it.
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Another way to think of it is, no body knows your character if you do nothing. You could be anything, bad, good. The only way to show your character is through actions. Inaction does not help your cause at all because it only leaves a bunch of room for suspicion in future happenings. If you don't paint the picture yourself, their mind will take over the canvas when the brush is in their hand.
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PBM Pirvate Mail boxc. It's totally normal to have mail order items, and business supplies from Amazon, computer stuff, come to a business, and as a small business owner with a store front, and three other companies that use Legit PMBs and PMBs with a mix, I can tell you that is normal.
We will have to respectfully disagree on the "ruse" of reporting a drug package as a means of establishing credibility. I would never do that. A normal mail user might even be more likely to "return to sender" an unexpected package, rather than opening it and discovering dope.
These are my opninions and has worked well over 52 orders received. your mileage may vary. I would be curious if other buyers here would ever consider alerting authorities to a drug pack under the guise of a Gomer Pyle reaction of "Surprise Surpirse, welllllgollllly!".
No dis, just not a sound method in my estimation.
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PBM Pirvate Mail boxc. It's totally normal to have mail order items, and business supplies from Amazon, computer stuff, come to a business, and as a small business owner with a store front, and three other companies that use Legit PMBs and PMBs with a mix, I can tell you that is normal.
We will have to respectfully disagree on the "ruse" of reporting a drug package as a means of establishing credibility. I would never do that. A normal mail user might even be more likely to "return to sender" an unexpected package, rather than opening it and discovering dope.
These are my opninions and has worked well over 52 orders received. your mileage may vary. I would be curious if other buyers here would ever consider alerting authorities to a drug pack under the guise of a Gomer Pyle reaction of "Surprise Surpirse, welllllgollllly!".
No dis, just not a sound method in my estimation.
It may not be a sound method in your estimation, but it is a sound method in my experience with LEO and DEA face to face. When I was describing all of that I wasn't predicting how they would act, I was trying to indirectly get the point across of that's how they act and I know from first hand, face to face experience. Okay? I had a QP detected once, and the local DEA confronted me about it when I went to pick up my mail. They were out of my hair within the hour, because I told them this has happened before and that I reported it. Hilarious thing is, I still have tons of mail delivered there constantly, and guess what, it is all drugs. Not a single piece of actual business mail. I have been doing it for months, and it's all thanks to the solid predictable functioning of the feds. I have them in my little spider web. On the side of that, I deliver drugs day to day to customers using my own techniques, have not be caught doing that either.
I had the DEA sniffing up my ass and I had them walking away believing they saved a small business owner from having to call the cops again on illegal mail. They thanked me for my efforts, and I thanked them, and we all walked away with smiles.
I'm only trying to help you guys out, but you do what you think is best. Remember, it's always the genius ideas that are misunderstood until they're seen to work astoundingly well.
Just saying.
Also, I don't see why anyone would return unopened mail to the sender, when they are expecting to recieve mail from all over the country without prior notification of what mail is coming.
Edit: Also, not sure if it matters, but I sign for all my packages. No reason a legit business owner shouldn't.
You need to frame yourself in your mind as a legit business owner, and do all you can to build that reputation indirectly without seeming like you're trying to do that. I can't give you all the details, but out of my 'legit business owner' frame, I have succesfully used it to circumvent any sort of drug chargers whether they be trafficing via vehicle, or ordering drugs in the mail. As far as I am concerned, I am bullet proof from a legal point of view, as long as I continue to play my cards correctly. You can do it to, but you just need to think of yourself, how you actually want to be seen. Play the part.
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I got a mailbox at a mom and pop shipping store, not a UPS store or a Mailbox Express. What was funny was that I was supposed to sign a form stating that I essentially would receive nothing illegal and that the store couldn't be held responsible. I guess this must be standard, but they couldn't find a copy of the form so I've never had to sign it...I took that as providence. I asked if I could receive packages using a business name I gave them, indicating that was sort of the purpose for the box. That was fine too. The guy seemed to suggest that a lot of people get these boxes to receive magazines that they wouldn't want their spouses to see them getting at home.
Anyway, I get all my orders from SR sent without a name, just the box number, which is great for my protection -- though some sellers don't like this. I signed up to receive all sorts of catalogs and other junk mail, plus all the normal stuff I order online from amazon or wherever I now have sent to my box so that the handful of SR orders don't really stick out. One time I innocently asked the guy behind the counter, while brandishing an SR order, oh look they didn't include my name, just the box number is that ok, and he says no matter, it's all we really need.
When I get an order I go to my car, write return to sender on the package and throw it on the floor. The next day I open it up.
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We both agree that's the way.