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Title: Which stimulant to crash diet (weight loss)?
Post by: zvp1014 on May 16, 2013, 02:05 am
Hello all;

I'm not big on the whole 'weight loss pills' scene; most of it seems to be utter bullshit.

What's tried and true, however, is stimulants. I'd like to drop a bit of weight quickly, and while I know it's insanely unhealthy and recklessly irresponsible, stimulants may be the best way to do so.

To drop weight, which stimulant would you consider the
'...' Safest?
'...' Least addictive/easiest to quit?
'...' Least withdrawal symptoms?
'...' Cheapest?
'...' Overall most effective?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Which stimulant to crash diet (weight loss)?
Post by: KawaiiDesu on May 16, 2013, 03:09 am
All ephedrine-based stimulants are addictive to a certain degree. However, they are the most effective on losing weight. Methamphetamine is by far the strongest substance.

You could try the normal ephedrine pills. Ephedra being the natural stimulant was the precursor for many weight loss products after all.
Title: Re: Which stimulant to crash diet (weight loss)?
Post by: zvp1014 on May 16, 2013, 03:46 am
All ephedrine-based stimulants are addictive to a certain degree. However, they are the most effective on losing weight. Methamphetamine is by far the strongest substance.

You could try the normal ephedrine pills. Ephedra being the natural stimulant was the precursor for many weight loss products after all.
Hmm... any thoughts for a US buyer whether to purchase the Ephedrine off SR versus clearnet? Can it be purchased offline from most pharmacies- and what's this deal about them requiring to document your details when you purchase Ephedrine? I have no desire to synthesize meth from it but I also don't want cops to have more reason for a warrant. Maybe I'm just paranoid.
Title: Re: Which stimulant to crash diet (weight loss)?
Post by: jackofspades on May 16, 2013, 05:25 am
Adderall will halt your appetite for a few days, i.e. you'll get some bang for your buck.

I do not use it myself so im not sure of withdrawl and addictive properties.

Ive heard benzos can slow your appetite as well but ive never had that issue arise for me.
Title: Re: Which stimulant to crash diet (weight loss)?
Post by: over_done_soup on May 16, 2013, 11:07 pm
The 'easiest' (maybe hardest) way to loose weight is to quit sugar, which is harder to quit than hard drugs, but cut sugar completely from your diet and you will soon loose upto 0.5kg a day without much effort, maybe a little walking.

Google 21 day sugar detox free and read it and try it, its really hard to follow it to a T, but you have to for it to work,but within days, you will start to feel so much better, have a tonne of energy, normalise blood sugar, normalise high BP and help with depression - these are all my personal experience from this diet.

Best of luck
Title: Re: Which stimulant to crash diet (weight loss)?
Post by: zvp1014 on May 17, 2013, 04:38 am
The 'easiest' (maybe hardest) way to loose weight is to quit sugar, which is harder to quit than hard drugs, but cut sugar completely from your diet and you will soon loose upto 0.5kg a day without much effort, maybe a little walking.

Google 21 day sugar detox free and read it and try it, its really hard to follow it to a T, but you have to for it to work,but within days, you will start to feel so much better, have a tonne of energy, normalise blood sugar, normalise high BP and help with depression - these are all my personal experience from this diet.

Best of luck

What doesn't have sugar in it o.0
Title: Re: Which stimulant to crash diet (weight loss)?
Post by: StonedAge on May 17, 2013, 05:05 am
Adderall will halt your appetite for a few days, i.e. you'll get some bang for your buck.

I do not use it myself so im not sure of withdrawl and addictive properties.

Ive heard benzos can slow your appetite as well but ive never had that issue arise for me.

yeah i agree adderall should do the trick.. but as soon as you quit taking them you will catch up on all the days you missed your normal calorie intake rather quickly
Title: Re: Which stimulant to crash diet (weight loss)?
Post by: mrguymann on May 17, 2013, 07:03 pm
If you have little to no experience with stimulants - caffeine or ephedrine will work well, and have less adverse side effects.

If those arent working then switch to a low dose ritalin ,and if that fails then perhaps a low dose adderall.
Title: Re: Which stimulant to crash diet (weight loss)?
Post by: slirp on May 17, 2013, 10:16 pm
beta-2 agonists like ephedrine, albuterol, clenbuterol, etc are best for fat burning.  don't forget the cardio.

stimulants like Adderall and cocaine can reduce your appetite but that's a different approach.

For the fastest weight loss there is DNP which is in a category of its own.  Not worth it for me.  I'll stick with the b2-agonists and cardio.
Title: Re: Which stimulant to crash diet (weight loss)?
Post by: zvp1014 on May 18, 2013, 12:59 am
If you have little to no experience with stimulants - caffeine or ephedrine will work well, and have less adverse side effects.
My Monster Energy + shitty Dunkin Donuts' coffee habit not only doesn't decrease my appetite, but gives me the nastiest crash if I go a day or two without it. It's also incredibly expensive; granted, caffeine tablets would be a bit cheaper than drinks.

For the moment I've gone ahead with some speed paste, and will see how I'll do with it. I'll definitely be doing some cardio while on it, and I'm going to space it apart so as to not get a tolerance. Will eat a salad if I get hungry between days. SR is beautiful in the regard that even if I become addicted I don't have the willpower to find a local dealer; and it's pretty easy to restrict myself from ordering more as there's so much effort involved.

Title: Re: Which stimulant to crash diet (weight loss)?
Post by: zvp1014 on May 18, 2013, 05:42 pm
Anybody here have experience with doing cardio while speedballing? I'm fearful the speed while drive my anxiety crazy, but I have plenty of Xanax on hand- but I know that on Xanax alone I'm in no shape to do any sort of exercise. Would Speed + Xanax + Treadmill = bad?
Title: Re: Which stimulant to crash diet (weight loss)?
Post by: sofish89 on May 18, 2013, 07:25 pm
Try the XR version of ADD meds such as Concerta, Adderall XR, or Vyvanse. Guarenteed to curb your appetite for at least 8 to 10 hours (or more) each time u pop a pill. Well at least I know it does for me
Title: Re: Which stimulant to crash diet (weight loss)?
Post by: bmarkbro on May 18, 2013, 07:28 pm
Speed and treadmill will work well. Use the treadmill to get rid of anxiety and take a xanax after. Idk how great runnign on xanax will be.

As for the appetite I highly recommend adderall, concerta, ritalin, etc. I use that frequently for schoolwork and have to force myself to eat. The prices on the road are kind of high so if you have friends with a script ask how much they will charge you. It will keep you awake so don't take it at night.
Title: Re: Which stimulant to crash diet (weight loss)?
Post by: Somepup on May 18, 2013, 08:29 pm
Ephedrine. That's it. It will SHRED fat from you. Bodybuilders use it for cutting. Personally I don't like speed and wouldn't fuck my heart that much.
Title: Re: Which stimulant to crash diet (weight loss)?
Post by: tree on May 18, 2013, 08:35 pm
If you want to take amphetamines, I recommend not taking adderall, vyvanse or dexedrine. Racemic amphetamine, speed, is more effective for weight loss, because it's more physically stimulating, and is also way cheaper. The XR version of ADD meds also cause less appetite suppression so it's not a good option.
Ephedrine seems like a better option, but I'd buy it on SR, not in a pharmacy where you have to show an ID. Caffeine isn't really that effective for weight loss though.  Maybe you should try clenbuterol, it seems promising.
Title: Re: Which stimulant to crash diet (weight loss)?
Post by: morganeverett on May 19, 2013, 09:09 am
Other options:

In addition to things suggested you can also use iodine thyroxine. Basically ups your metabolism burning more fat. It's downsides are extended use will cause hyperthyroidism. Oddly taking too high of a dose of iodine will suppress your thyroid lowering metabolism too.

Bear in mind there is a pseudo-weightloss advertised by companies wanting to make a quick buck. Basically involves diuretics and you piss out the "excess" weight but it will rebound very quickly once you quit.
Title: Re: Which stimulant to crash diet (weight loss)?
Post by: Churchwarden on May 19, 2013, 03:45 pm
Gonna lump my two cents in with several previous comments and say ephedrine.

I work out religiously and follow a strict supplement and diet plan but when it comes to cutting, ephedrine stacked with caffeine is the be all, end all of weight loss regimes. Very muscle sparing and you drop fat like crazy, partially because you have a huge loss of appetite. Side-effects are moderate, tolerable if you can handle the edgy full of being on uppers.

take a few with a 200mg caffeine in the morning, and then a few 4 or so times a day. Up your dosage progressively of a couple weeks until you are at the maximum you can handle side-effects wise, then take the dose down a bit and continue at this level until you have the desired effect.

Ephedrine, diet and exercise I can easily take myself from 20% bodyfat to under 10% in a month. Dead easy to get your hands on, as well. Don't look to silk road first because I got myself two packs of 50 8mg tabs off some supplement site for $30
Title: Re: Which stimulant to crash diet (weight loss)?
Post by: 013517 on May 19, 2013, 04:12 pm
beta-2 agonists like ephedrine, albuterol, clenbuterol, etc are best for fat burning.  don't forget the cardio.

stimulants like Adderall and cocaine can reduce your appetite but that's a different approach.

For the fastest weight loss there is DNP which is in a category of its own.  Not worth it for me.  I'll stick with the b2-agonists and cardio.

I know people that have used clen and ephedrine with good results.  DNP is insane.  I wouldn't touch that regardless of desperation or money.

I can't say I've heard of albuterol, but I will look into it out of curiosity.
Title: Re: Which stimulant to crash diet (weight loss)?
Post by: zvp1014 on May 19, 2013, 07:40 pm
Do most US pharmacies sell Ephedrine? I know they now have to take down your details to make sure you don't make meth/the police have evidence if you're caught making meth.

Any good online sources of it for a US buyer? I'm considering buying off SR so as to not give my details, but... it's far pricier.
Title: Re: Which stimulant to crash diet (weight loss)?
Post by: 013517 on May 19, 2013, 08:09 pm
Ephedrine is banned for sale in the US.  What you'll find in pharmacies is pseudo-ephedrine.

There were a few high profile cases of people passing out from ephedra that led to the ban.  I want to say a baseball player was involved.
Title: Re: Which stimulant to crash diet (weight loss)?
Post by: android465764E on May 19, 2013, 08:29 pm
Plain old bag of speed would do the trick.
Title: Re: Which stimulant to crash diet (weight loss)?
Post by: zvp1014 on May 19, 2013, 09:01 pm
Ephedrine is banned for sale in the US.  What you'll find in pharmacies is pseudo-ephedrine.

What is pseudoephedrine, exactly? It seems to be the one that's regulated in that you can purchase it, but they need to take your details. How does it differ from Ephedrine?
Title: Re: Which stimulant to crash diet (weight loss)?
Post by: tree on May 19, 2013, 09:10 pm
Ephedrine is banned for sale in the US.  What you'll find in pharmacies is pseudo-ephedrine.

There were a few high profile cases of people passing out from ephedra that led to the ban.  I want to say a baseball player was involved.
Bronkaid is still available in the US, and there's ephedrine in it, not pseudo-ephedrine. It's the only ephedrine formulation still available I think.

What is pseudoephedrine, exactly? It seems to be the one that's regulated in that you can purchase it, but they need to take your details. How does it differ from Ephedrine?
Pseudoephedrine is just a vasoconstrictor that sucks, it's not stimulating. Ephedrine can be used recreationally on the other hand.
Title: Re: Which stimulant to crash diet (weight loss)?
Post by: bmarkbro on May 20, 2013, 12:24 am
As tree said, speed is a better stimulant and without the side effects of adderall, I would say thats a go to.  I've never done speed so I can't recommend it but if you need to do work maybe ADD meds, if not speed.

A legal option would be superHD. I've used it a couple times, its mostly caffeine and some appetite supressors.
Title: Re: Which stimulant to crash diet (weight loss)?
Post by: 013517 on May 21, 2013, 06:47 pm

Bronkaid is still available in the US, and there's ephedrine in it, not pseudo-ephedrine. It's the only ephedrine formulation still available I think.


Good to know.  Thanks for the info.  +1 if I could.
Title: Re: Which stimulant to crash diet (weight loss)?
Post by: dirtybiscuitzz718 on May 21, 2013, 06:58 pm
If you have will power, and not too much of an addictive personality, nothing will have you reach your goal faster and better than meth.

I suggest capping it and ingesting it, in 10-20mg doses. Should work like a charm.
Title: Re: Which stimulant to crash diet (weight loss)?
Post by: zvp1014 on May 21, 2013, 07:13 pm
Dried some speed paste from MrImporter, took 20 mg oral, felt pretty good but nothing major- so I snorted 20 more mg. I feel absolutely fantastic! Feel like I can get things done, and not hungry at all. Plus, it almost feels like a natural high off life- not a super irritable caffeine high!

Thanks all!

@Methamphetamine- maybe; I have been able to keep 8 pills of mdma around the house and give 3 weeks between them, and since I get stuff off SR I could easily cut myself off from more meth. It's just a bit scary given how addictive it is.
Title: Re: Which stimulant to crash diet (weight loss)?
Post by: Churchwarden on May 21, 2013, 07:23 pm
If you have will power, and not too much of an addictive personality, nothing will have you reach your goal faster and better than meth.

I suggest capping it and ingesting it, in 10-20mg doses. Should work like a charm.

Lmao, only on silk road will you ask for ideas on a weight loss supplement and get meth as an honest answer.
Title: Re: Which stimulant to crash diet (weight loss)?
Post by: Barbijuana on May 21, 2013, 07:26 pm
Ephedrine is banned for sale in the US.  What you'll find in pharmacies is pseudo-ephedrine.

There were a few high profile cases of people passing out from ephedra that led to the ban.  I want to say a baseball player was involved.
Bronkaid is still available in the US, and there's ephedrine in it, not pseudo-ephedrine. It's the only ephedrine formulation still available I think.

What is pseudoephedrine, exactly? It seems to be the one that's regulated in that you can purchase it, but they need to take your details. How does it differ from Ephedrine?
Pseudoephedrine is just a vasoconstrictor that sucks, it's not stimulating. Ephedrine can be used recreationally on the other hand.

Prematene, exact medication as Bronkaid but doses higher in Ephedra HCL -- 12.5mg per tab IIRC

Goto Walgreens and ask for the generic, about ~15$
Title: Re: Which stimulant to crash diet (weight loss)?
Post by: zvp1014 on May 22, 2013, 12:27 am
Welp, the amphetamine's worn off and I feel pretty down; it feels a bit like coming off of MDMA, but not as intense. Is this normal? The paste was 72% pure, any impurities that might be giving these negative feelings? Taking a Xanax has helped worlds, it's not too bad, just a bit sad is all.
Title: Re: Which stimulant to crash diet (weight loss)?
Post by: stinkybreeze on May 22, 2013, 05:28 am

Well. One that I know does this--meth--crushed and put into a capsule. 20mg-25mg. Will not have appetite all day--but sleeps fine come bedtime. Sometimes uses melatonin to sleep if needed-or Xanax. But usually do not need if speed is taken in the morning. Drink smoothies all day and a multi for nutrients? I don't know.......stay safe.
Title: Re: Which stimulant to crash diet (weight loss)?
Post by: shulginsindex on May 22, 2013, 10:36 am
Hello all;

I'm not big on the whole 'weight loss pills' scene; most of it seems to be utter bullshit.

What's tried and true, however, is stimulants. I'd like to drop a bit of weight quickly, and while I know it's insanely unhealthy and recklessly irresponsible, stimulants may be the best way to do so.

To drop weight, which stimulant would you consider the
'...' Safest?
'...' Least addictive/easiest to quit?
'...' Least withdrawal symptoms?
'...' Cheapest?
'...' Overall most effective?

Thanks!

Don't be stupid dude. Do it the proper way. The effects that drugs can leave on you including addiction or becoming a crackhead. Type crackhead in youtube and see if you would like to be like them. Losing weight is simple. Count your calories then go into a deficit. 1000 calories deficit per day equals 7000 calories per week. I forgot how many calories in a pound. Think it's 3500 . If you want a some advise let me know. But drugs is not the right way to go. Trust me.
Title: Re: Which stimulant to crash diet (weight loss)?
Post by: shulginsindex on May 22, 2013, 10:39 am
I can't believe the responses you have got. That ain't advise mate. You only lose weight on drugs cause stimulants are appetite suppressants.  Just don't eat you l lose the same amount of weight.  Are you American btw? Just curious
Title: Re: Which stimulant to crash diet (weight loss)?
Post by: shulginsindex on May 22, 2013, 10:42 am
But if drugs is the route you want to take. Try meph or ephedrine based pills. Which fuck you up long term. Heart issues, lose your teeth, you use to be straight now you suck dick.  But hey look in the mirror at least you lost weight. 
Title: Re: Which stimulant to crash diet (weight loss)?
Post by: dabigboss on May 22, 2013, 11:58 am
I can tell you from experience that adderall will cause significant weight loss if it is taken in excess or for extended periods.  At the end of this semester, I only took it 2-3 times a week to help me study.  On those days, I would practically eat nothing at all because I wouldn't have an appetite, not even after smoking pot during the comedowns.  After one month of that, I am down 10 pounds. Keep in mind, I am  6'3" 210 pounds, so 10 pounds isn't a huge loss for me.  However, I imagine that if I had taken it daily, the results would have been much more dramatic.
Title: Re: Which stimulant to crash diet (weight loss)?
Post by: SinningSaint on May 22, 2013, 12:25 pm
I'm currently taking speed sulfate for the same reasons too. It's not as effective as when I roll, but I'm guessing that's because I'm taking small amounts (20mg) in comparison to party doses of MDMA (100mg+). Probably going to up my dosage soon, just worried about building a tolerance.
Title: Re: Which stimulant to crash diet (weight loss)?
Post by: mary666 on May 22, 2013, 10:32 pm
Dospan tablets are the best thing i,ve seen used for slimming. You can,t get them in the UK anymore but they,re great i,ve used them, they,re really speedy so you have to take them in the morning. Its like having a gram of speed in a tablet without the comedown feeling  ;D
Title: Re: Which stimulant to crash diet (weight loss)?
Post by: zvp1014 on May 23, 2013, 12:20 am
you use to be straight now you suck dick.
So... does this mean that I'll start licking pussy?
Title: Re: Which stimulant to crash diet (weight loss)?
Post by: Churchwarden on May 23, 2013, 12:48 am
ephedrines side effects are super minimal and honestly, I couldn't imagine getting addicted to hit. I feel a stronger buzz from the caffeine you take with it but it kills your appetite. If anyone uses it for recreation, literally anyone, I have to tell you you would get better results from literally anything else. I love drugs but I would NEVER use ephedrine recreationally, it does fuck all for you that's any fun. If you think someones going to suck dick for ephedrine you're a retard.