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Discussion => Shipping => Topic started by: jyt on October 01, 2011, 12:50 am
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I have received a few successful orders from Europe and the US. (I'm receiving orders in the US)
Just small amounts for personal use.
And my orders go to a UPS Store mailbox.
Well I never received an order of about five beans from Netherlands, got refunded like 50% from the vendor, after giving it about three weeks to arrive, which it never did.
So then I ordered 10 beans from Netherlands and another five beans from a different vendor in Netherlands.
THEN I received a 'love letter' from Customs/Homeland Security saying they had confiscated a substance they determined to be 'Ecstasy'. (They have a form letter with check boxes by several different illegal substances)
Well I wonder if they have somehow 'Flagged' my address or something to allow them to look at orders coming to my address more carefully than usual?
How would that work exactly? Does someone actually have to type in the addresses from each letter or package coming into the US into a computer to see if they are on a list?
Do I have anything to worry about? Any chance I will get either of the two orders that were supposed to arrive after the 'Love Letter'? One of the orders is already 14 days from ordering, not working days, but calendar days and I haven't received it yet. The other one hasn't been as long.
Do you think I need to get a new delivery address? Or can I still use the one I have to receive stuff?
Thanks.
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Never order to that address again, it's flagged now and imported items will be scrutinized more closely.
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My Story is almost 100% as jvt - private USA mailbox, Netherlands vendors, and etc. Two orders from NL both tiny amounts - letter sized. One was realized, one was not. You can read my thread on shipping "First Seizure".
There is some very good advice in that thread from User Gaah - the consensus is that these addresses that have been trapped are SOL - done for overseas, and may still be OK for domestic. But.....is it worth it.
Today, I received a domestically shipped order of supplements, which came in a small, padded (thin) mailer - for all the world it could have been, you know what. the package arrived via 1st class mail, and was unopened. As far as I could tell.
The experiences of myself and jvt is leading me to believe the following: 1) DHS and CBP have either upped the game on personal amounts from NL entering USA< or, 2) they have an improved, better technology for trapping M.....
The other horrible possibility is the following: Silk Road admins and experienced folks alike should consider that one or two NL vendors are potentially "marked" and its not their fault, they are just clueless, or one or two vends in NL are not cendors at all they are straw sellers that are growing a database of buyers for LE.
Consider that!
Now, on to the real question: yes, we now know that these addresses that have a had a seizure are now inoperable for Foreign orders - so be it.
are these addresses useable for domestic? Will CBP share data with USPS? USPS is in deficit more, handles a ton of first class mail, and who knows? I recently gpt that supplement order that came in fine.
I don't want to get fucked over 1g of M, really now. But there is one domestic vend that I really, really trust, a master mailer, that I would still use at my old address, a business address, so I feel that the worst is that I deny - even though my name in on the mailbox documents, the mailings go the biz, and there are a plethora of deniable options, according to my atty. None of which will help if a concerted effort to sting is mounted.
Any experienced opinions are welcome . BTW, the pack that was seized was a bulky, padded mailer 10X too big than what it would have taken to stealth it. The one the got through from NL was so perfect and innocuous, one can just tell who is on top of their came.
I am not trying to defame or damage a vendor, but these are serious issues with consequences, and I take my share of the risk without complaining, and I did not reveal the vends name or alter the feedback until several users implored me to fess up and state the facts. So please be very, very careful out there, and if you have been subject to a seizure from CBP, scratch that address at least for foreign orders. Domestics, time will tell.
CG.
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time to get a new addy.
overseas orders are risky, but half the vendors don't specify their country.
pm a new vendor before buying to know for sure.
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I'm going to be the voice of dissent here, and say that your address is (probably) NOT in a list anywhere. A few years back I was ordering 100 units per envelope of benzos (usually Valium, sometimes klonopin or xanax). Anyway, over the period of nearly 3 years I racked up 6 love letters all the while continuing to receive packages from 'high risk' countries.
Now maybe MDMA is different and they care more about it than benzos, or DHS wasn't as strict a few years back. Either way, I wouldn't count your address as being unable to receive from other countries, but I also wouldn't order from NL again.
This advice is worth what you paid for it.
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Yeah, This is why I don't bother ordering outside the US. There is just too much of a risk that customs will take it and it is a lose/lose situation.
Getting another shipping location would probably be a good idea and if you do plan on ordering internationally I would keep your domestic shipments going to one address and international to another this could put the seller at less risk because they can actually pursue a domestic vendor but domestic mail is less likely to be checked unless your flagged.
This would be a great question for janetreno if they still read these forums.
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Doesn't Customs/DHS hand this case over to DEA for investigation?
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Doesn't Customs/DHS hand this case over to DEA for investigation?
I doubt it, both the DHS and DEA have so much going on that they would not waste their time with a single pill. They would have to intercept at least 1000+ i would think. The only thing I could see happening it for customs to tell local authorities and letting them decide what to do (small towns might love to bust someone, while larger cities could probably care less) But this being said this would take awhile for them to communicate so if something didnt show up to me with in 10 days I would be super cautious when going to my mail box. If they bring it to your door, deny the package and I dont see them spending the time to have someone sit and watch a mail box 24 hours a day. If your paranoid go for a walk and look around before checking your mail, and if it arrives write return to sender on it and dont open it for a few days incase someone comes looking for it
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It would be quite a feat to follow up on every 1g pack and track the addresses, let alone coordinate with local LE in such as way that the chain of evidence holds up in a prosecution. The total SR economy is, what? 25M? 50M per year. Bust it all down if they could and then...what? still got your war on drugs at billions - and more asinine gov programs. One Blackhawk sent to Columbia is more than the entire SR economy.
In many ways, SR is exactly what the LE wants: quiet nerds and specialists sitting at home and not beefing on the street.
still the practicalities of the mail is a problem. Common sense.
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Should I be on the lookout for frogmen and ninjas today? Fuck. The may just use a drone on me.
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maybe not drones.....but some agency field offices are VERY patient - you are saying ten years to one address? Maybe that's a pass. But I think that depending on the substances and what Point of Origin and the specific entry port, one could be tagged after a while. Maybe we are blowing this shit up for what...in the original case., 1gm of nothing.