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Discussion => Drug safety => Topic started by: WeedIndeed on July 26, 2012, 07:20 pm

Title: Best hallucinogenic to start with? + more beginner questions
Post by: WeedIndeed on July 26, 2012, 07:20 pm
I want to try some hallucinogenics, and heard different opinions.
I want something effective, but not too strong. Is 25i-nbome a good choice? 25b? 25c? LSD?
Is being at home while tripping a good idea?


should I also purchase some valium/xanax/other benzos, just in case I freak out or something?


Title: Re: Best hallucinogenic to start with? + more beginner questions
Post by: Mashman on July 26, 2012, 07:26 pm
2cb I'd suggest, I'm not familiar with a lot of the 25i's etc.
Maybe a mild dose of shrooms. My first was acid and it was awesome.
I'm kinda against tripping with benzos as I feel u need to handle whatever the trip throws at you.
I think the key is to start small whatever you decide to take.
Title: Re: Best hallucinogenic to start with? + more beginner questions
Post by: digitbh on July 26, 2012, 08:20 pm
Just jump into LSD. Have a trip sitter with you. Only take 100mcg. You'll be fine.
Title: Re: Best hallucinogenic to start with? + more beginner questions
Post by: oscarzululondon on July 26, 2012, 11:01 pm
2C-B without a doubt. Do this for a few months then move onto LSD.
Title: Re: Best hallucinogenic to start with? + more beginner questions
Post by: cube on July 26, 2012, 11:08 pm
Drop a tab of acid on a free day with good company (including an experienced tripped) , good surroundings and a cheeky valium just in case shit gets too crazy for the uninitiated. Even MDMA is a decent starting point into the world of psychedelia - coming to think of it. Shrooms are also a good choice - they are chaotic and disorienting as someone said but generally 'light hearted' in nature and the shortest lasting of the big 3 psychs. So in summary... acid.. or shrooms... or even MDMA (not strictly a psychedelic but can be if you have enough!)
Title: Re: Best hallucinogenic to start with? + more beginner questions
Post by: masterblaster on July 27, 2012, 02:00 am
Just do them all at the same time.
Title: Re: Best hallucinogenic to start with? + more beginner questions
Post by: raveryote on July 27, 2012, 02:13 am
People around here usually recommend you start with weed, then work up to shrooms, then try LSD.

If you are still game, try DMT and Ketamine last. I'm told that you should try each individually first, before you try combining them.

Please do your homework, and be safe. Happy tripping!
Title: Re: Best hallucinogenic to start with? + more beginner questions
Post by: digitbh on July 27, 2012, 02:06 pm
Just do them all at the same time.

Better yet, take an MAOI with MDMA. I bet that's safe!


It's not. You will hate yourself.
Title: Re: Best hallucinogenic to start with? + more beginner questions
Post by: stolea2269 on July 27, 2012, 03:36 pm
I don't know if there's actually a good, standard "starting psychedelic".

A lot of people ask the question... I think it really depends what you want out of the experience. My first trip was with a high dose of LSD and it was awesome.

LSD
DMT
Shrooms
Mescaline

Pick one of those and take a sizable dose, you won't regret it. I really love RCs, but I would advise staying away from anything with unknown safety profiles until you're more experienced. (The 2c-x family tends to be pretty safe, but some of its analogues (25x, DOx, etc...) are - in my opinion - better saved for later in your psychonautic journeys).

That's just my two cents!
Title: Re: Best hallucinogenic to start with? + more beginner questions
Post by: Barbijuana on July 27, 2012, 04:14 pm
I guess it would depend on what you are initially trying to get out of the experience. If you're looking just for a good visual stimulation I'd recommend the 25i compound -- It will be mild at 1mg and intense at 2mg but with a hint of euphoria effect to keep a solid mindset if shit gets weird :) 2C-B is also good for that but I don't have as much experience with it as the 25i.

Shrooms, done at night, have always been a more "gothic" style trip for me if anyone can relate to that, but have a lot more pronounced effect for creative thinking and personal insight. I haven't done LSD for years but I sure do remember the last time I did...  :-X

Edit: Pro tips
Start small. Its much easier to add more than taketh away.
Erowid Erowid Erowid. Knowledge is power. Know what to expect, how to prepare your setting and how the substance is affecting your body and mind.
If it becomes intense, concentrate on your breathing and observe your surroundings slowly with curious and scientific speculation; it has a very grounding effect.
Talk to yourself  :D
Title: Re: Best hallucinogenic to start with? + more beginner questions
Post by: stolea2269 on July 27, 2012, 09:22 pm
Look into 4-AcO-DMT.

It's one of my absolute favorite chemicals. It's gentle, profound, fun, overwhelming (in all the good ways), and its an RC so quality usually isn't an issue.

Also known as psilacetin - it's the acetylated form of psilocin. It's very reminiscent of a shroom trip, but (in my opinion) has less of the negatives, i.e. body load and anxiety.

This is the one that I usually give to people their first time tripping.
Title: Re: Best hallucinogenic to start with? + more beginner questions
Post by: MDDude on July 28, 2012, 12:33 am
my first introduction was with 2.5g shrooms,but had a bit of an bad trip from it because i tooked it home,

last 3 weeks i took 18-19mg 2c-b from ivory and it was awesome. so many visuals (size and color changing hairs) fractals on the wall´s beautiful can´t await my next trip with 22mg

i introduced also some friends with 2c-b. the first dosage i gave them was 10mg to see the feeling of it.next time was with 16mg and my friend had some low visuals and really liked it. he sayed he will next time try with me the 22mg dose


also wan´ted to say ivorys 2c-b is fire!
Title: Re: Best hallucinogenic to start with? + more beginner questions
Post by: indoorwinds151 on July 28, 2012, 04:47 am
My first hallucinogenic experience was when I was about 21 years old. I had never smoked weed before, and took 1/8 oz. (3.5 grams) of shrooms.

It was life changing but I definitely don't recommend it! I have existing anxiety and I was by myself and it was very scary at first, but got okay and then euphoric towards the 3-4 hour mark. I laid on my bed in my dorm, hugged a pillow and blasted my favorite, familiar music.

There's more details involved, I don't consider myself stupid, but I didn't read enough details about the varying onset, and my lack of drug experience didn't help.

SO:

I think 2 GRAMS OF SHROOMS would be a great experience to start. Just make sure they are quality and you take them in the right mood and environment. Don't keep your phone in your hand but know where it is and have someone on duty to call if you need it. I think it takes away from the experience to have someone else there, especially your first time.

I agree with people saying DMT should be last, because that for me is the most spiritual, so I don't take it often. I won't speak on anything else because I can tell others know more.
Title: Re: Best hallucinogenic to start with? + more beginner questions
Post by: MailMaxDev on July 28, 2012, 04:58 am
I started with LSD and it was great. I'd say start with mushrooms or 4-AcO-DMT though.
Title: Re: Best hallucinogenic to start with? + more beginner questions
Post by: WeedIndeed on July 28, 2012, 10:41 am
My aim is to just experience psychedelics, see if I like them (pretty sure I will), I'm not looking into anything particular. I want it to be an individual experience, so I won't be reading a lot of trip reports.
I'd rather not try mdma for now, and besides it isn't even a psychedelic.
I think I'll order some 25i and acid when i have the cash, then decide where to go from there.
Thanks for the replies guys!
Title: Re: Best hallucinogenic to start with? + more beginner questions
Post by: digitbh on July 28, 2012, 01:37 pm
My aim is to just experience psychedelics, see if I like them (pretty sure I will), I'm not looking into anything particular. I want it to be an individual experience, so I won't be reading a lot of trip reports.
I'd rather not try mdma for now, and besides it isn't even a psychedelic.
I think I'll order some 25i and acid when i have the cash, then decide where to go from there.
Thanks for the replies guys!

False. MDMA is a psychedelic. Do a quick Google search real quick on what psychedelic drugs are. They aren't just drugs that make your reality "trippy".
Title: Re: Best hallucinogenic to start with? + more beginner questions
Post by: Gandalf the Grey on July 28, 2012, 06:50 pm
Mushrooms or Salvia.

Gandalf the Grey
Title: Re: Best hallucinogenic to start with? + more beginner questions
Post by: WeedIndeed on July 28, 2012, 07:14 pm
My aim is to just experience psychedelics, see if I like them (pretty sure I will), I'm not looking into anything particular. I want it to be an individual experience, so I won't be reading a lot of trip reports.
I'd rather not try mdma for now, and besides it isn't even a psychedelic.
I think I'll order some 25i and acid when i have the cash, then decide where to go from there.
Thanks for the replies guys!

False. MDMA is a psychedelic. Do a quick Google search real quick on what psychedelic drugs are. They aren't just drugs that make your reality "trippy".

Well it might fit the dry definition of psychedelic, but Its effects are totally different, and I really don't want to try MDMA for now.

is there any vendor selling a decent amount (say 15-20mg?) for 28$(worth of btc) including shipping worldwide?
Title: Re: Best hallucinogenic to start with? + more beginner questions
Post by: mat82 on July 28, 2012, 07:19 pm
I took one of generalm3sS 2CB capsules for my first trip not so long ago. I don't have anything to compare it to but I found the experience generally great, it was a little intense in places on the way up so do treat it with respect but otherwise was pretty straight forward.
Title: Re: Best hallucinogenic to start with? + more beginner questions
Post by: Gibbroni on July 28, 2012, 10:39 pm
Like other have done, I would also recommend 2cb. Yes, Ivory's is outstanding quality. 2cb is heavy on visuals if you up the dose to 30mg to 40mg, however in my experience, no mindfuck is present.

Everything turns different hues in your field of vision and you have a slow-motion reduced frame rate visual effect, all while being in the best of moods.

I introduced a couple of psychedelic virglns to 2cb at about 30mg and they reported having the best afterglow from having such a unique experience.
Title: Re: Best hallucinogenic to start with? + more beginner questions
Post by: Tron80 on July 29, 2012, 02:12 am
I am 31.  I started smoking weed at 30.  Mostly I stick with a steady supply of White Widow.  Two days ago I finally got my hands on some shrooms.  I ate about 5 stems and 3 caps.  This was around 1:00AM.  I spent the next 7hrs having the most amazing experience of my life.  It was like I was swimming in pure joy.  Like it was a blanket I could wrap around me.  If you are strong willed and know who YOU are, then you are in for a truly amazing, life altering experience.  I can't wait to do it again.
Title: Re: Best hallucinogenic to start with? + more beginner questions
Post by: echo_ on July 29, 2012, 04:34 am
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If you are strong willed and know who YOU are, then you are in for a truly amazing, life altering experience.  I can't wait to do it again.
That's a good comment.

DOx is definitely something you should save for later. But most psychedelics are fine to try first. Nothing but raw openness to life can prepare you for what taking psychedelics is like. 25-nbome compounds are in my opinion good starting places, and right now are by far the cheapest psychedelic.

DMT is the highest quality. LSD, mushrooms, and mescaline are beautiful and will take you farther into your experience as a human being than you ever had an idea was possible.

2C compounds are variations on mescaline, and 25-nbome compounds are potent analogs of their respective 2C compounds.

Best to be a well-grounded individual and do it with an intelligent friend that you TRUST and have known for a long time.
Title: Re: Best hallucinogenic to start with? + more beginner questions
Post by: moonflower on July 30, 2012, 07:47 pm
25i would definitely be a good starter, or even a low dose of lsd. no need for benzos. just know that everything you are seeing is a result of a chemical reaction in your own brain. accept all your visions and feelings, ESPECIALLY the negative ones. surrender to the power of your own mind, and all will be well.
Title: Re: Best hallucinogenic to start with? + more beginner questions
Post by: MetaD13 on July 30, 2012, 09:48 pm
LSD should be fine. Start with a low dose and then slowly move your way up. Low dose acid is great, very euphoric and often makes me feel energetic. Around ~125mcg was my first dose and it was truly an awesome experience, wasn't a mindfuck at all and I could still function just fine.
Title: Re: Best hallucinogenic to start with? + more beginner questions
Post by: jameslink2 on July 30, 2012, 10:04 pm
I am 31.  I started smoking weed at 30.  Mostly I stick with a steady supply of White Widow.  Two days ago I finally got my hands on some shrooms.  I ate about 5 stems and 3 caps.  This was around 1:00AM.  I spent the next 7hrs having the most amazing experience of my life.  It was like I was swimming in pure joy.  Like it was a blanket I could wrap around me.  If you are strong willed and know who YOU are, then you are in for a truly amazing, life altering experience.  I can't wait to do it again.

I took my first shroom trip at 33 and it was AMAZING!!!! I agree with Tron80 Shrooms are the way to go provided you know who you are.

Tron80, try tripping on 3 grams at night and listening to buddhist chants and bells. I was amazed the first time I did it and it was VERY Spiritual. Love the spiritual side of tripping on shrooms.
Title: Re: Best hallucinogenic to start with? + more beginner questions
Post by: arutha on July 31, 2012, 02:12 am
MDMA is quite capable of causing some visuals and what I would definitely describe as a psychedelic experience. Especially when combined with a bit of good sativa weed.

If you haven't got much into strong sativa weed strains, give that a go. Other than that, my first psych was LSD and it was great. Its really the most well known psychedelic, much more gentle than a lot of people seem to think at low doses, and good fun. That'd be my choice for first.
Title: Re: Best hallucinogenic to start with? + more beginner questions
Post by: Spunkaroo on July 31, 2012, 09:07 am
My first psychadelic was LSD and it was a great experience. I would recommend it to anyone interested, but make sure you're prepared to accept what you see. It's been said before but it's worth repeating.

I've also recently tried 2C-I which i found easier on the mind, but tougher on the body (for me anyway.) I'm not saying the above doesn't apply to this chemical, but it may be something you can investigate if you're worried about the harsher mental elements of the traditional psychadelics.
Title: Re: Best hallucinogenic to start with? + more beginner questions
Post by: raelag on July 31, 2012, 09:29 am
My 2*10^-2

Go, as many said, with 2C-B. It is mild and rather pleasant psycodelics.

LSD wouldn't be a bad choice either, it is much like 2C-B, if only hallucination part is tad stronger.

I myself would recommend against shrooms, but this is personal - I find shroom trips much more unstable and much easily going bad, than LSD or 2C-B.

On another hand - it might be good to try shrooms at least once to know personal reaction to shrooms.
Title: Re: Best hallucinogenic to start with? + more beginner questions
Post by: Roobix Cubics on July 31, 2012, 11:19 am
Shrooms are more earthy there's less light than acid or mescaline but they are really amazing especially with a bit of good weed. Just start light and you will be right. Get a feeling of the landscape that is the mushroom.
I find a small dose of mushrooms(<1g) with a little THC lift to be really fun, great with music or some art making. Make sure that you prep your setting well so that you are not flustered or feeling insecure and it will be fine
If you increase the dose the trip is also amazing but can also be very introspective and perhaps point out some things or force you to look at aspects of yourself that you may not be ready for or want to see.
Don't worry that reading others trip reports will influence yours. I've read plenty and never had what I consider to be a similar experience. The good thing is they can point out a few things that you might not want to do whilst tripping!:)