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Discussion => Drug safety => Topic started by: raelag on July 30, 2012, 06:05 am

Title: Cubensis/Panaeolus question
Post by: raelag on July 30, 2012, 06:05 am
Hello.. Is there difference tripwise between Psylocybe Cubensis and Panaeolus Cyanescens species?

According to this: http://www.shroomery.org/6257/Magic-Mushroom-Dosage-Calculator

those shrooms relation between psylocin and psylocibin are quite different. I hate cube trips, but was thinking - mayperhaps panaeolus trip is somehow different, and I might enjoy it?
Title: Re: Cubensis/Panaeolus question
Post by: masterblaster on July 30, 2012, 06:40 am
pan cyans are a diff species which are alot harder to grow and are 5x as potent, so if you take 5g's dry cubes then you take 1g dry cyans. Cyans also contain another chemical that cubes dont which give them a really magical quality. Keep in mind when you dry either of them alot of that goodness gets oxidized and destroyed, so if you want a real shroom experience you have to grow them yourself.
Title: Re: Cubensis/Panaeolus question
Post by: jameslink2 on July 30, 2012, 10:08 pm
raelag, There will be a difference but in order to say I would need to know why you hate Cubensis trips. What is it about the trip that you do not like?

90% of any mushroom trip is going to be set and setting.
Title: Re: Cubensis/Panaeolus question
Post by: raelag on July 31, 2012, 09:31 am
shroom trips are easily going bad.

Slight unsettling thought in the head, and trip is ruined.

Syntetics like 2C-B and LSD is rather more pleasant, and I should say comfortable.. Not that I like those neither, reminds of mushrooms, but! Only somewhat.

Shroom trips are so easily to go bad.. I guess you are right, set and setting is what I should pay attention to more carefully.
Title: Re: Cubensis/Panaeolus question
Post by: raelag on July 31, 2012, 09:36 am
as about growing them.. I do. I consider myself rather skilled with shroom species, took few courses in uni too (not a basis, but enchance knowledge of mushroom families)

In my opinion - shrooms are easiest to make, even more complicated species like pans.. Whats the difference : sterile enviroment, and only what makes cubes different is that pans need horse poo :-) Well, not need, but standart PF tek gives on pans such small fruits that those are impossible to print and even harvest.. Microscopic, tiny, lilliput shrooms :-) Meanies should be.. But never tried, due to rather hatred of cubes.

If only I would like'em, I'd be settled with drugs for life. But.. Cannabionoids and cathiones are my love, shrooms are more on the hate side of scale :-)
Title: Re: Cubensis/Panaeolus question
Post by: Roobix Cubics on July 31, 2012, 11:31 am
as about growing them.. I do. I consider myself rather skilled with shroom species, took few courses in uni too (not a basis, but enchance knowledge of mushroom families)

In my opinion - shrooms are easiest to make, even more complicated species like pans.. Whats the difference : sterile enviroment, and only what makes cubes different is that pans need horse poo :-) Well, not need, but standart PF tek gives on pans such small fruits that those are impossible to print and even harvest.. Microscopic, tiny, lilliput shrooms :-) Meanies should be.. But never tried, due to rather hatred of cubes.

If only I would like'em, I'd be settled with drugs for life. But.. Cannabionoids and cathiones are my love, shrooms are more on the hate side of scale :-)

Mate if you hate them then maybe its best not to go there.
Whilst the mushroom is full of insight it should also be fun. I've had a few trips where I've had my arse kicked but they were really insightful as well and made me face things in my life that I was avoiding. Even though I was being kicked hard I was able to laugh about it, at least a little.
If I hated it though I just don't think that I'd go back whether I could grow them or not. There are plenty of other ways to get insight.
Best of luck.
Title: Re: Cubensis/Panaeolus question
Post by: raelag on July 31, 2012, 12:39 pm
Thought so.

Thanks.. Shroom trips aren't totally useless, feel myself much wiser each time I tried them. But - rather harsh and hard experience, and seems Pans are even more so, none less.

Well, thanks for headsup :-)
Title: Re: Cubensis/Panaeolus question
Post by: masterblaster on August 01, 2012, 07:17 am

In my opinion - shrooms are easiest to make, even more complicated species like pans.. Whats the difference : sterile enviroment, and only what makes cubes different is that pans need horse poo :-)

You say 'sterile environment' like its something you can just piece together in your kitchen. And really its more than just sterility, its having the perfect conditions. Cubes will grow on a dog turd frying in a parking lot, pans require a tropical glade touched by the gods and a kiss everynight by a warm midsummer's breeze. They're really really picky about what conditions they'll fruit in, tis why they're so rare.

Also dont get caught up by those shroomery showoffs that claim to grow pans in their toilet, they're as full of shit as their growboxes.
Title: Re: Cubensis/Panaeolus question
Post by: raelag on August 01, 2012, 07:50 am
Sterile enviroment as in uni bio lab.. Don't think they need it tho, just today was experimenting at home with pans.

Will work - will work. Will not, well.. Will tweak process.

Bio lab is good think for other purposes as well - they got excellent hashmaking screens :-)

Edit: Hm, that's a good idea, btw. Thanks
Title: Re: Cubensis/Panaeolus question
Post by: jameslink2 on August 01, 2012, 11:49 am
You say 'sterile environment' like its something you can just piece together in your kitchen.

Masterblaster, you can piece a sterile environment together in your kitchen.

For most of the work you only need a pressure cooker, a glove box and a few other items. I did my first agar work isolating Ps. Mexicana in the kitchen under such conditions. Hell, I set my Laminar flow hood up on the kitchen table for years.

Never underestimate what can be accomplished in a kitchen.
Title: Re: Cubensis/Panaeolus question
Post by: raelag on August 01, 2012, 11:54 am
My post counter is under 100, and so I can't raise karma of the post above.

Could you, fluent forumer, please, raise karma of above post +1? Thank you very much.

Title: Re: Cubensis/Panaeolus question
Post by: raelag on August 07, 2012, 01:17 pm
So far, so good - with right substrate pans are healthy and seem to colonize quite happily:

http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=02a3eefa5931317fe7bd183e3b6246e8.jpg (img, copy/paste, tor)

Sure, there is infection vector on birth and casing, but I do really believe, that coprophilic mushroom would like best substrate, which also makes it prone to infection.

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Soon project 'Panaeolus Cambodginesis' is ready, but I don't like them, so they go all on SR. Any takers :-) ?



http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=34189.msg389964#msg389964 (Same forum, offers section, interest test)

And, like already stated, cubes are EASY. And I am sure I will get those, for pans there is possibility of error, never did this before.

What I try to say, is that I probably will soon SR pans, and definitely SR cubes, just feel a bit insecure about vendor account, it is a bit pricey.

Was thinking postage to whole EU.
Title: Re: Cubensis/Panaeolus question
Post by: sickboy on August 09, 2012, 09:19 am

In my opinion - shrooms are easiest to make, even more complicated species like pans.. Whats the difference : sterile enviroment, and only what makes cubes different is that pans need horse poo :-)

You say 'sterile environment' like its something you can just piece together in your kitchen. And really its more than just sterility, its having the perfect conditions. Cubes will grow on a dog turd frying in a parking lot, pans require a tropical glade touched by the gods and a kiss everynight by a warm midsummer's breeze. They're really really picky about what conditions they'll fruit in, tis why they're so rare.

Also dont get caught up by those shroomery showoffs that claim to grow pans in their toilet, they're as full of shit as their growboxes.

Actually... Pans aren't that hard to grow. They will only grow mushrooms when in compost and/or straw. That is really the only difference between growing Cubes and Pans. I used to grow them years ago. It isn't easy to grow lots of them and they have a smaller yield than Cubes. And yes, to answer the OP's question. They are more potent and do have a slightly different feeling. I prefer them, but as someone stated above, you really have to grow them yourself to experience it. Or you can go to Jamaica. I saw a shitload of Pans in Jamaica.
Title: Re: Cubensis/Panaeolus question
Post by: raelag on August 09, 2012, 10:01 am
Links to pics above are to my pics.

I've decided, that I will grow my own (project almost complete). And will sample them once or twice, to get the feeling. Trip doesn't kill anyway.
Title: Re: Cubensis/Panaeolus question
Post by: raelag on August 28, 2012, 03:02 pm
Dark art of old forumthread necromancy :-)

Anyway, as about pans, I was able to grow some:

http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=9114f0e0bc193821b6bf841ab875eb26.jpg

However one flush provided about 3.5g of fresh mushroom bodies.

So.. To share an experience - substrate is vital, without "secret ingredient" substrate colonization is very prone to infection. This is how my previous project ended.

With "secret ingredient" pans grow, as it was mentioned before - somewhat cube likely.. There seems to be way for further improvement though.

This time I was very cautious with casing, and it seems like mistake - pans mycelium colonized it whole, and then formed shiny hard shell.

This "shelling" seemingly lessens flush dramatically, so here is the wisdom - casing is almost obligatory, and I'd propose casing without energy in it, only just to keep water (vermiculite, sand, soil, etc)

This is so far just theory, but anyway - I got 3.5 pans, so project is academic success. :-P to all naysayers

PS I am fully aware that I keep "secret ingredient" secret. However - this should do for occasional reader. And if you are REALLY into growing pans - you should already know what I am talking about. Sure - I will help... raelag@tormail.org, pgp encrypted pls. Just for blackmarket discipline :-)