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Discussion => Newbie discussion => Topic started by: calcium on June 09, 2013, 09:31 pm

Title: Using former resident's name for delivery
Post by: calcium on June 09, 2013, 09:31 pm
I've seen plenty of posts advising not to use a *fake* name for delivery.

But what if you use a former resident's name? I for one still get mail from probably a halfdozen former residents (some of whom had slightly different addresses even - e.g. a unit number that doesn't exist any more). Presumably, since they're getting delivered, USPS doesn't think that's suspicious.

If I have something delivered to them, wouldn't that improve my deniability?
Title: Re: Using former resident's name for delivery
Post by: Phillippa Hole on June 09, 2013, 09:38 pm
You should probably check this very informative thread out: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=165838.0
Title: Re: Using former resident's name for delivery
Post by: calcium on June 09, 2013, 09:44 pm
You should probably check this very informative thread out: http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=165838.0

I did; pstlwkr didn't address this question, just the use of fake names. A legit former resident isn't fake.
Title: Re: Using former resident's name for delivery
Post by: flashlight5 on June 09, 2013, 09:59 pm
if other mail of that person is piling up in the box the idea is ok.

if not the mail might be forwarded or the mail man knows and just sends all mail back. idea bad
Title: Re: Using former resident's name for delivery
Post by: M8R-3jt393 on June 10, 2013, 12:01 am
actually thats a good idea...

there are some more extentions to the idea..

1. if you have a spokeo (or similar account) search for your address, then it will give you a big list of former residents...
   you can use any of those...
2. mail forwarding is usually there for 3-6 months 1 year tops, so older former residents will not get their mail forwarded.
3. in your free time choose 1 or more of the former residents name and your address, and mail junk in standard envelopes,
and keep mailing them once in a couple of months especially when you travel out of town...  you can then verify that the mail reaches you all the time...  also Mr NEWMAN will be used to delivering that name to the postbox. (but if it is real NEWMANN he may end up smoking your weed)

never tried it but should be a good option...

M8
Title: Re: Using former resident's name for delivery
Post by: SweetlyFrosted on June 10, 2013, 12:55 am
Yeah well imagine if you moved, would you have your mail forwarded?
Title: Re: Using former resident's name for delivery
Post by: arananegro on June 10, 2013, 02:22 am
Test it and send yourself a package in the old residents name first.  If it arrives, your good to go
Title: Re: Using former resident's name for delivery
Post by: flashlight5 on June 10, 2013, 11:01 pm
>> Yeah well imagine if you moved, would you have your mail forwarded?
not every body does. if u inform the important people and companies all the junk will be lost. -- > :D

which is what I do ;)
Title: Re: Using former resident's name for delivery
Post by: 1uv52trip on June 11, 2013, 02:51 am
I get mail for the person that lived in the house before me, and sometimes it comes address to that person or current owner. That is an option that clears anyone.
Title: Re: Using former resident's name for delivery
Post by: calcium on June 11, 2013, 07:35 am
Yeah, that's a second question. What about delivery just to "current resident", or "[former resident] or current resident"? Would that raise suspicion when it's a package rather than generic mass junk mail?
Title: Re: Using former resident's name for delivery
Post by: sterdybirdy on June 11, 2013, 08:27 am
If the postman is delivering a single package/envelope addressed to current resident it looks suspicious; your neighbors should be getting similar pieces as well.

Above mentioned thread also pointed out if your order is not domestic, is an Australian address really going to get "Current Resident" mail from India?
Title: Re: Using former resident's name for delivery
Post by: labor99 on June 16, 2013, 10:34 am
Excellent post +1
Title: Re: Using former resident's name for delivery
Post by: mcguire39 on June 16, 2013, 12:45 pm
I doubt most vendors would even ship to 'current resident'.

I think some of the thought is an envelope addressed to current resident might be one thing, but a priority mail box would look really suspicious. Envelopes to current resident are usually mass/junk mail type windowed envelopes and it would also look funny to be the only envelope of that type getting delivered in the area, usually you would see at least a few of the same envelope on your route, or sometimes hundreds or thousands.
Title: Re: Using former resident's name for delivery
Post by: rayovax on June 16, 2013, 12:52 pm
I would say it's a bad idea for a few reasons.

If your postman has had the route for a long time, he may know that the old resident doesn't live there anymore.  He still has to deliver junkmail, so he wouldn't bother with it.  A package on the other hand, good postmen would not deliver it to an address they know isn't correct, and may even get it sent to the former residents new address if they are still local.

To be honest it's a dick move anyway.  This is a real person's name you are putting on your illegal package.  How would you feel getting a CD for something you didn't order? 
Title: Re: Using former resident's name for delivery
Post by: braindrain on June 16, 2013, 01:15 pm
As long as the package fits in your mailbox and you don't have to sign for it, otherwise your screwed.
Title: Re: Using former resident's name for delivery
Post by: Amish Mafia on June 16, 2013, 01:38 pm
You run the risk of not getting your package if its under any fake name.

Using a former residents name might get the mail or package forwarded to a new address and is a bad idea.
Title: Re: Using former resident's name for delivery
Post by: Amish Mafia on June 16, 2013, 02:04 pm
Ask the vendor do not take advice from people who write on a newbie forum.

The advice on here is plain ol' bad at times.  Just because you don't sign for a package doesn't mean you can get any size package of any item and play dumb with the LE once they discover it arriving to your address.  If you say "see it's not me" that is not going to work, trust me they will just slap more charges on your for acting like a bonehead.
Title: Re: Using former resident's name for delivery
Post by: WelshBoa on June 16, 2013, 02:24 pm
I was pondering a very similar question last night whilst on a ketamine binge.  The two purchases I have made from SR I have used my correct name.  I would worry that the postman would pull letter out, and if a dodgy name do something stupid like use his initative knowing that someone of that name doesnt appear to live there and open it being nosey.

I appreciate in their busy working job its very unlikely but if you knew the name of a household residence and saw a small package in your bag with a diff surname would you be tempted to open it if didnt think it regular post.

Or maybe I just think too much.....
Title: Re: Using former resident's name for delivery
Post by: 1986 on June 16, 2013, 06:49 pm
I have a rent house, and receive mail for about 5 different people on a regular basis.

if the vendor is sending an envelope, then I would say go ahead!  if its a package, I would be a little more cautious

I used to have a deadbeat roommate, he lives in another state now but never changed his Addy w the post office so I use his name
Title: Re: Using former resident's name for delivery
Post by: weeal on June 16, 2013, 06:57 pm
Bad idea
what if had to collect from p.o wi no I.D
for former resident
Title: Re: Using former resident's name for delivery
Post by: phalNOP on June 16, 2013, 07:39 pm
I've seen plenty of posts advising not to use a *fake* name for delivery.

But what if you use a former resident's name? I for one still get mail from probably a halfdozen former residents (some of whom had slightly different addresses even - e.g. a unit number that doesn't exist any more). Presumably, since they're getting delivered, USPS doesn't think that's suspicious.

If I have something delivered to them, wouldn't that improve my deniability?

No, bad idea. If I were a LE officer, I'd laugh in your face with this tactic.
Title: Re: Using former resident's name for delivery
Post by: calcium on June 20, 2013, 03:05 pm
If your postman has had the route for a long time, he may know that the old resident doesn't live there anymore.  He still has to deliver junkmail, so he wouldn't bother with it.  A package on the other hand, good postmen would not deliver it to an address they know isn't correct, and may even get it sent to the former residents new address if they are still local.

The former residents get all sorts of mail, not just junk. Financial mail, personal mail, etc. And AFAIK it's illegal for the postman to not deliver some mail but deliver other mail.

Things I'd like to buy would probably be shipped in a small padded envelope, not a big box.

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To be honest it's a dick move anyway.  This is a real person's name you are putting on your illegal package.  How would you feel getting a CD for something you didn't order?

How could they possibly get a CD unless there's a change of address? I know there isn't, because I'm getting that mail now; I collect it and every so often I write 'not at this address' on it all and drop it in the local outgoing mail drop box. (Plus, I would get a postcard here if they set up mail forwarding.)
Title: Re: Using former resident's name for delivery
Post by: M8R-3jt393 on June 21, 2013, 09:09 pm
Here is one more idea...  it takes a long time... this would work if your mailbox is one in a big apartment system...

Pick up a Random name... eg here lets pick "john doe"

pick out any address random address where there is no "john doe"
and start sending some junk mail to john doe to that address from anywhere in your town, send like 2 letters in 1 month for a month.
if you want write a love letter just for fun...

Next go to a post office and get a address change form, and send in a address change for john doe from that address to your address...
next couple of  months keep sending mails to the old address and then to the new address as well. Then stop sending mail to the old address
and keep sending ones to the new address.

There you have then once you are sure you get all the mail you send, then just use that name and your address to order from SR....
what you could do is also order normal stuff in that name (just dont use your credit card for such purchases, or link you real name in
any way to that name).

To convince the postman even further, what you could do is go visit some malls in your area, and fill in those promotional offers with that name and your address and you will get all junk mail also in that name. they have these things where they offer lotto on cars etc...


 
Title: Re: Using former resident's name for delivery
Post by: m1ddle on June 22, 2013, 12:32 pm
Does this 'fake name' business only apply to the US?

I've never seen mail returned in Australia for an incorrect name, it just gets delivered en masse.

Thoughts from other aussies?
Title: Re: Using former resident's name for delivery
Post by: Authbyma on June 22, 2013, 01:58 pm
Read up on the postal worker note in this forum. It was very insightful. After reading that, I would highly recommend not doing this. It sounds like that's almost a guarantee to get forwarded. Now that I think about it, after living in 4 houses, 3 of which had previous owners, I've never seen a single piece of mail addressed to the previous owners.
Title: Re: Using former resident's name for delivery
Post by: m1ddle on June 23, 2013, 02:27 am
Maybe it's an Australian thing. Forwards only happen if you pay for them, and a letter gets sent to the address the forward is on to confirm it has been activated for security.

Title: Re: Using former resident's name for delivery
Post by: GlenRunciter on June 23, 2013, 03:09 am
I thought the normal rule of thumb is to use your real information.  As long as stealth shipping methods are used, isn't it highly unlikely for the Post Office to get suspicious?   I understand if you're getting multiple packages from outside the country on a daily basis...but one or two a week?   Mailman is too damn busy to be monitoring what people receive that "could" look "suspicious."     Furthermore, I think the rule of thumb is just to deny requesting the package if LE should somehow get involved...just deny, b/c anybody can send anybody a package, unsolicited.
Title: Re: Using former resident's name for delivery
Post by: calcium on June 25, 2013, 09:37 pm
[quote author=GlenRunciter link=topic=170744.msg1265214#msg1265214 date=1371956944 Furthermore, I think the rule of thumb is just to deny requesting the package if LE should somehow get involved...just deny, b/c anybody can send anybody a package, unsolicited.
[/quote]

That denial is a lot more plausible if the package isn't even addressed to you, but rather to someone else. Not your fault for picking up whatever mail that's in your mailbox and then, having discovered it's for someone else, keeping it for a little while so you can write "not at this address" on it and then deposit it in the nearest mailbox.

As for forwards, our system also requires a postcard sent to both the to and from addresses when USPS forwarding starts, to detect someone fraudulently forwarding your mail to them. Right now, I'm pretty sure at least a couple former residents do not have forwarding, because I'm getting all sorts of mail for them, a couple times a week.
Title: Re: Using former resident's name for delivery
Post by: easylife on June 25, 2013, 09:38 pm
as long as you are sure they wouldnt give you up., im sure your fine
Title: Re: Using former resident's name for delivery
Post by: Amish Mafia on June 26, 2013, 02:33 am
You run the risk of not getting your package if its under any fake name.

Using a former residents name might get the mail or package forwarded to a new address and is a bad idea.

True this