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Discussion => Security => Topic started by: Holly on April 03, 2012, 02:07 am

Title: It gets worse everyday. UK / Internet Activity to be Monitored Under New Laws
Post by: Holly on April 03, 2012, 02:07 am
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/9179087/Internet-activity-to-be-monitored-under-new-laws.html

Man, when will things start getting better?
Title: Re: It gets worse everyday. UK / Internet Activity to be Monitored Under New Laws
Post by: ArmTrax on April 03, 2012, 03:21 am
You gotta love how the 'unwritten' constitution the UK has makes any law passed by parliament a constitutional law.

Say what you want about America, but its great that we have a third branch to strike down the bad shit.
Title: Re: It gets worse everyday. UK / Internet Activity to be Monitored Under New Laws
Post by: yournamehere on April 03, 2012, 03:45 am
You gotta love how the 'unwritten' constitution the UK has makes any law passed by parliament a constitutional law.

Say what you want about America, but its great that we have a third branch to strike down the bad shit.
Our third branch is more concerned about their Viagra and retirement than actual civil rights.  We just had a really shitty ruling regarding searches.

Internet monitoring/censoring is deplorable.  I know its coming to western countries eventually but I really hope it never happens. And hopefully Tor or Tor's successor is running!
Title: Re: It gets worse everyday. UK / Internet Activity to be Monitored Under New Laws
Post by: lilith2u on April 03, 2012, 04:17 am
Well it is already in Amerika anyway. They pretty much make up the rules as they go along since sept 11. And the corporations that run the show anyway go right along with it. Don't ever believe that anything you do online wont come back to haunt you! Unless your me and don't give a flying fuck
Title: Re: It gets worse everyday. UK / Internet Activity to be Monitored Under New Laws
Post by: ArmTrax on April 03, 2012, 04:34 am
You gotta love how the 'unwritten' constitution the UK has makes any law passed by parliament a constitutional law.

Say what you want about America, but its great that we have a third branch to strike down the bad shit.
Our third branch is more concerned about their Viagra and retirement than actual civil rights.  We just had a really shitty ruling regarding searches.

Internet monitoring/censoring is deplorable.  I know its coming to western countries eventually but I really hope it never happens. And hopefully Tor or Tor's successor is running!

Do you know the name of the case and or its citation numbers? I would be interested in reading it.

Very few rulings by  SCOTUS do I actually disagree with once I read the opinion. We/me/you may not like the down stream consequences as they pertain to us, but 99% of the folks out there who have not had legal training have no idea what they are talking about, particularly when it comes to constitutional issues.

That being said, they can get away with a lot of stuff in the UK that will not fly in the US. And even if a law passed in the US similar to the one above, at least we, as US "CITIZENS", are left with a means by which to challenge the law.  Something the "SUBJECTS" of the United Kingdom are not blessed with.
Title: Re: It gets worse everyday. UK / Internet Activity to be Monitored Under New Laws
Post by: keepitallism on April 03, 2012, 04:40 am
Looks like you'll have to buy modified computer hardware if you plan on upgrading anything now. Implying under the circumstances this actually does get legislated. I'm sure someone out there will figure out how to disable that GCHQ shit, not that I even know what element of hardware this will be installed on though.
Title: Re: It gets worse everyday. UK / Internet Activity to be Monitored Under New Laws
Post by: DaMan on April 03, 2012, 04:45 am
There you've the why of Sun's article on SR... the usual scarecrow strategy: Scare people of then ram their rights at the excuse of being "concern about their security".

“People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both.” - Benjamin Franklin
Title: Re: It gets worse everyday. UK / Internet Activity to be Monitored Under New Laws
Post by: cache on April 03, 2012, 06:50 am
Seems like they can do whatever they want in the cause of fighting "terrorism".
Title: Re: It gets worse everyday. UK / Internet Activity to be Monitored Under New Laws
Post by: hamlet on April 03, 2012, 10:35 am
Doublespeak here we come! "Race riot" has already been renamed as "Economically disaffected youth legitimately expressing their anger against the geopolitical nepotism in financial institutions" :D

I would only be worried if I was buying afghan heroin or c4 or something. I doubt GCHQ give a shit about small time losers selling weed and pills.
Title: Re: It gets worse everyday. UK / Internet Activity to be Monitored Under New Laws
Post by: DropGuy751 on April 03, 2012, 10:52 am
Use VPN?
Title: Re: It gets worse everyday. UK / Internet Activity to be Monitored Under New Laws
Post by: UKGrower on April 03, 2012, 11:22 am
They aren't looking for terrorists, they're looking for activists.  The UK hosts the olympics this year, and they are shitting themselves that something will kick off, potentially making their "big society" look bad on the world stage.
Title: Re: It gets worse everyday. UK / Internet Activity to be Monitored Under New Laws
Post by: yournamehere on April 03, 2012, 12:22 pm
You gotta love how the 'unwritten' constitution the UK has makes any law passed by parliament a constitutional law.

Say what you want about America, but its great that we have a third branch to strike down the bad shit.
Our third branch is more concerned about their Viagra and retirement than actual civil rights.  We just had a really shitty ruling regarding searches.

Internet monitoring/censoring is deplorable.  I know its coming to western countries eventually but I really hope it never happens. And hopefully Tor or Tor's successor is running!

Do you know the name of the case and or its citation numbers? I would be interested in reading it.

Very few rulings by  SCOTUS do I actually disagree with once I read the opinion. We/me/you may not like the down stream consequences as they pertain to us, but 99% of the folks out there who have not had legal training have no idea what they are talking about, particularly when it comes to constitutional issues.

That being said, they can get away with a lot of stuff in the UK that will not fly in the US. And even if a law passed in the US similar to the one above, at least we, as US "CITIZENS", are left with a means by which to challenge the law.  Something the "SUBJECTS" of the United Kingdom are not blessed with.
It was very recent, within the last day.  It had to deal with personal searches and it was a shitty ruling, but for the life of me I can't find a news link :/

*Edit- https://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/03/us/justices-approve-strip-searches-for-any-offense.html?_r=1
Get used to hearing "Drop your shorts and lift your sack" my fellow Americans  :(
Title: Re: It gets worse everyday. UK / Internet Activity to be Monitored Under New Laws
Post by: kmfkewm on April 03, 2012, 03:48 pm
GCHQ is the UK version of NSA. They don't give a shit about anybody here either.

Also NSA has already been illegally doing this in USA for at least the past 11 years , so I am forced to lol at the person who thinks UK has it so much worse than USA. USA signals intelligence agency has been doing this *illegally* (in UK they apparently made it legal first) years before the UK signals intelligence agency publicly started doing it. But in either case both have probably been doing it long before we were made aware of it. Intelligence agencies are quite frankly not bound by the laws that effect everyone else....why challenge the law Armtax it already says what NSA is doing is illegal....good luck getting them to stop doing it with yours citizens petition lol (also congress passed a statute saying that the cooperating telecommunications centers can not be held liable for assisting the NSA in breaking the law, even though it is widely agreed that  they ARE breaking the law by assisting NSA in breaking the law)

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2012/03/no-checks-or-balances-warrantless-wiretapping-despite-holders-assurances
https://www.eff.org/issues/nsa-spying
Title: Re: It gets worse everyday. UK / Internet Activity to be Monitored Under New Laws
Post by: kmfkewm on April 03, 2012, 04:10 pm
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VPN or Tor would prevent them from seeing which sites you're visiting.

Maybe. It looks like they want timing data too (same as NSA), not just standard IP data retention stuff. If they keep database of timing information for a large number of packets in UK, they will probably have pretty decent luck to deanonymize people even if they are using Tor or a VPN. They will become a passive adversary in the context that all UK Tor nodes will be essentially worthless for hiding from them, it would be as if they themselves owned every Tor node / VPN node / Proxy being monitored with this system (low latency can not protect at all from passive attackers linking in and out packets). For NSA having these abilities is enough for them to passively pwn Tor they essentially own every USA node since they can passively monitor traffic in and out, and a lot of nodes are in USA (and no you should not stop using nodes in USA! Let Tor pick your path as always!). Plus they can see all foreign traffic that is routed through exchanges. The GCHQ may not be in as ideal a location as NSA is, to gather as much damning signals, but when you are up against world leading signals intelligence agencies who are monitoring all traffic in their country, you are going to have a pretty hard time to keep yourself anonymous from them, especially if you live in their country and a substantial amount of nodes on the network you use relay traffic through their country / the website you visit is in their country. In all cases they would be able to link UK to UK communications even if the relays are in three random other countries, since seeing entry and exit is all it takes for timing data to link packets together.

It is scary that they want to give police access to this information. In the USA it appears to only be in the hands of the NSA, although nothing is legally stopping the feds from doing passive monitoring of Tor relays in USA under CALEAs trap and trace / pen register provisions.
Title: Re: It gets worse everyday. UK / Internet Activity to be Monitored Under New Laws
Post by: peterkoff8273 on April 03, 2012, 10:43 pm
Well it is already in Amerika anyway. They pretty much make up the rules as they go along since sept 11. And the corporations that run the show anyway go right along with it. Don't ever believe that anything you do online wont come back to haunt you! Unless your me and don't give a flying fuck

Its the other way around. The corporations give campaign contributions, and in the end flat out no-show jobs to politicians who in turn introduce legislation and pass laws. On occasion, Representatives and Senators have been caught introducing legislation written by their corporate donors.

The corporations don't go along with it, they are the ones leading the way.
Title: Re: It gets worse everyday. UK / Internet Activity to be Monitored Under New Laws
Post by: TravellingWithoutMoving on April 04, 2012, 12:31 am
- so .....does everyone see what i meant now....?! -over reacting, blanket laws....welcome to reactive uk...

- "However ministers believe it is essential that the police and security services have access to such communications data in order to tackle terrorism and protect the public."
   - same ol' BS, we don't know what terrorists look like and their surnames so we'll take this opportunity to invade everyones privacy
      we'll add any hackers and those with above average PC skills under the same terrorist banner, job done.
          -excepting minsters and the PM we'll pretend there were no communication.....fucking bitches.

   - "protect the public" by not invading their fucking countries for oil for a start.

what a joke...