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Market => Product requests => Topic started by: nobleking on July 25, 2012, 05:45 am

Title: Any SR Weed Vendors interested in Dead droping vs shipping?
Post by: nobleking on July 25, 2012, 05:45 am
Ive seen it mentioned  3 or 4 times in the forums, and wondering if any SR vendors would consider the idea for bulk orders (top shelf cannabis). I am receiving to many packages, and starting to gett paranoid.  you can do it anyway you want to keep complete anonymous  and Id  even pay extra for the service and be willing to buy from you for a few months normal to gain trust.
the concept behind it is this (I took it off another forum on here) ...  Thanks, Please message me if interested in anyway.

"The dead drop topology is an improvement on the face to face topology and is ideal for secure local distribution. In a dead drop model, Alice drops (usually shoves a hollowed out spike filled with product into the fround) the product at a given location and records the GPS coordinates. Alice can now give Bob the coordinates, and by using a GPS device Bob can quickly locate the product and make a pick up. GPS is a receive only technology so there is no risk of Alice or Bob being subjected to geopositioning attacks due to the use of a GPS device.

If Alice maintains her pseudonymity/anonymity in other areas (EX: Tor for communications, Bitcoin for financial) , dead drop product transfers offer her tremendous advantages over face to face product transfers. As Bob can no longer determine Alices real identity, or even come into contact with her, Alice is significantly protected from all human intelligence based attacks (informants and undercovers) and the threat model changes to focus on the harder to exploit technical security models (signals intelligence, financial network analysis, etc). Although a malicious Bob can not easily identify Alice if dead drops are used, a malicious Alice can identify Bob. This can be expressed as follows; 'an attacker can move down, but not up'. However, dead drops also have advantages for Bob; for one there is very little risk of interception compared to the double dead drop topology. Also, dead drops do not require Bob to open a box with fake identification or get product sent to an otherwise limited number of boxes in his geographic area. Dead drops also have disadvantages over double dead drops, primarily they are only suited for local product transfers. Long distance dead drops have the same risk of interception in transit as face to face product transfers.



Another product transfer topology is the double dead drop (parasitic smuggling). In this model, Alice will drop product (at a mail box, for example) and then a neutral carrier (mail delivery service) will bring the product to another drop location (mail box) where Bob will pick it up. Double dead drops maintain the primary benefits of single dead drops; Alice is largely protected from human intelligence attacks if she otherwise maintains her anonymity. As with single dead drops, the attacker can move down the network but not up.

Double dead drops also have a variety of advantages and disadvantages as compared to single dead drops. One of the disadvantages for Bob is his requirement to either open a box with fake identification or otherwise locate a box or location suitable for having the product shipped to. Bob may do surveillance on a random house and determine the occupants schedules, by doing this Bob may be able to determine a suitable shipping location with out the requirement of opening a box himself. An advantage of double dead drops over single dead drops is their ability to transfer product over large geographic distances. Another disadvantage of the double dead drop is that the product is vulnerable to interception while it is in transit, customs and postal inspectors actively screen for contraband in the mail system (although due to the very large volumes of mail, they are incapable of detecting much of it, particularly if it does not pass through customs)."
Title: Re: Any SR Weed Vendors interested in Dead droping vs shipping?
Post by: 20DollarBILL on July 25, 2012, 06:03 am
This just trip me the fuck out reading it just now. I not really sure what to say about this right now.
Title: Re: Any SR Weed Vendors interested in Dead droping vs shipping?
Post by: flexseal on July 25, 2012, 07:32 am
Great for products that may be detected when shipped, however there are a few problems.
First of all you are going to have to find a supplier that lives within a 100 miles of you max which will reduce your options. This may not be a problem if you live in California or New York, however for someone in the Midwest or in a different country where suppliers aren't as abundant it would impossible.
A dead drop forces you to put the buyer at full risk by finalizing early or the seller at full risk by finalizing after. However, this could be avoided by paying half early and half later.
You are also going to have to get the proper technology and find the proper spot. I would imagine it would have to be highly accessible but somewhere where no other person would travel. Maybe a quarter mile in the woods somewhere, but that could leave you susceptible to a set-up.
Title: Re: Any SR Weed Vendors interested in Dead droping vs shipping?
Post by: nobleking on July 25, 2012, 03:58 pm
yes, you would prolly have to escrow half before and half after or FE, But I disagree with the fact that they would have to be 199 miles of you. If your buying lbs from a trip to cali, that  would still be beneficial for someone. this is how cartel and many organizations in UK deal products.
Title: Re: Any SR Weed Vendors interested in Dead droping vs shipping?
Post by: Milk of amnesthia on August 24, 2012, 05:52 am
Nobleking
 I think this is a fantastic idea! I have been wanting to arrange something like this but I haven't figured out the details.
Scenario: I choose a random area to place the product and record the GPS location. Then, after payment I supply you with the coordinates.
My question is how do I gain your trust to pay me first? How about I place 1/4 of the order in an area and get paid for that. Then, you pay for the next amount and I give the GPS location for the next 1/4 etc.  I am willing to drive 500 miles to execute such a deal. How far would you be willing to travel?
I would send you a sample of the product first as well, so you can determine the quality for yourself.