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Title: Letter from the police
Post by: katyperry on October 01, 2013, 08:01 am
So someone I know got a letter from the police instead of his order. Is this common? What should he do?

Make up some story (not really living at the adress, away a lot, noticed some damaged letters before but didn't think about it, so someone could have used it as a "dropbox") or just say nothing at all?

They invited him on short notice, but he saw the letter after the date already passed. The amount we're talking about isn't even worth prosecution in my opinion.
Title: Re: Letter from the police
Post by: ManMist on October 01, 2013, 08:10 am
Say nothing, answer no questions without a lawyer  and go watch the YOUTUBE video "do not talk to the police" twice!
Title: Re: Letter from the police
Post by: Mister Mortimer on October 01, 2013, 08:29 am
Say nothing, answer no questions

^^this!! you can't help receiving mail can you? so someone with a vendetta has sent you something nasty through the post, or some idiot dealer has got the wrong address

deny everything, you don't even need lawyer present; if you haven't been arrested it means they've got nothing on you.

'no officer i don't know why you've called me in for a chat'.

'what, you mean someones tried to mail drugs to my house? i've never heard of that before, do you have any fingerprints or anything to get who did it?'

'no i have no idea who could be trying to stitch me up'
Title: Re: Letter from the police
Post by: isallmememe on October 01, 2013, 09:04 am
no, say nothing. talking to the police will not help you, they are trying to build a case against you. they are not lookng to question you to find you innocent, they want to build that case. the only reason they question you is to gain evidence via confession to further their case. if they have enough evidence to charge you already then no matter what you say they will always assume you could be lying and charge you anyway. if they don't have enough to charge you then saying nothing can't possibly give them even more.

you'll be surprised how you can fuck yourself in an interview by giving a false account. for one they will question you about every detail of your story and if you slip up about the smallest little detail they will then be able to show you to be a liar to the court which will be a nice little bonus for the prosecution when the trial starts.

i know it sounds like the obvious no brainer to give a story and save yourself getting charged in the first place. but it can so easily backfire. plus if you talk now to the police then you have just given them your whole defense strategy months before you go to court. they now got a whole lotta time to work a way around it. that's why its even more important for innocent suspects to stick to no comment answers.

do yourself a favor, keep your defense for when it really matters, in the court room.
Title: Re: Letter from the police
Post by: ManMist on October 01, 2013, 09:18 am
great information and insight
Title: Re: Letter from the police
Post by: katyperry on October 01, 2013, 09:46 am
Yeah that's really good advice, thx bros
Title: Re: Letter from the police
Post by: DR1337 on October 01, 2013, 09:54 am
Those letters typically sound very official, as if you will get into trouble if you don't go. Like isallmememe said, they can use anything you say against you, so it's best not to say a word. I wouldn't respond to the letter (as I don't think there is a law requiring people to respond to them) and make them do some actual police work to get an arrest warrant rather than offer myself up so easily. In reality, they don't have much to go on and want an admission of guilt to wrap it up easily because otherwise it's a lot of work for what is considered ridiculous to convict on (depending on the substance). Even if I were arrested, I wouldn't say a single word; always let your lawyer do the talking.
Title: Re: Letter from the police
Post by: isallmememe on October 01, 2013, 10:02 am
let elaborate some more. the reason most people who are actually innocent, get found guilty of crimes is because they took the obvious step. they explained to those 'nice police officers' about what really happened so this mess can all be quickly cleared up and they can go home. the pigs then give that information over to the prosecutor.

the thing a lot of people don't understand about the law is its not about what really happened. its about whether the prosecutor or the defender gives the best performance in court. its all about word play and asking the right questions at the right time, or not asking certain questions at all.

a prosecutor that has a good idea what your story is going to be before the trial starts has time to figure out the best strategy and exactly what to say and not say to make you look guilty. the prosecutors whole job is to present the case for you being guilty. even if he 100% believes you are innocent anyway, he still has to try to show you as guilty, and he will.

and that is the reason why smart people don't ever talk in a police interview. its not so much about not slipping up and giving them more info, although that is still a real danger. its about not giving your defense strategy away too early. and its the courts you need to convince, they are the ones that will put you in jail, not the cops.
Title: Re: Letter from the police
Post by: isallmememe on October 01, 2013, 10:07 am
i guess what it boils down to simply is why would you want to help the prosecutor to do a better job in court than your own defense attorney?
Title: Re: Letter from the police
Post by: Mister Mortimer on October 01, 2013, 10:58 am
let elaborate some more. the reason most people who are actually innocent, get found guilty of crimes is because they took the obvious step. they explained to those 'nice police officers' about what really happened so this mess can all be quickly cleared up and they can go home. the pigs then give that information over to the prosecutor.

the thing a lot of people don't understand about the law is its not about what really happened. its about whether the prosecutor or the defender gives the best performance in court. its all about word play and asking the right questions at the right time, or not asking certain questions at all.

a prosecutor that has a good idea what your story is going to be before the trial starts has time to figure out the best strategy and exactly what to say and not say to make you look guilty. the prosecutors whole job is to present the case for you being guilty. even if he 100% believes you are innocent anyway, he still has to try to show you as guilty, and he will.

and that is the reason why smart people don't ever talk in a police interview. its not so much about not slipping up and giving them more info, although that is still a real danger. its about not giving your defense strategy away too early. and its the courts you need to convince, they are the ones that will put you in jail, not the cops.

this is + material right here. but i can't yet :( someone give this guy a slap on the back for me :)
Title: Re: Letter from the police
Post by: K92GD on October 01, 2013, 11:42 am
Say nothing, got it.
This thread's been a great insight, thanks guys.
Title: Re: Letter from the police
Post by: isallmememe on October 01, 2013, 01:43 pm
say nothing to the police, tell your story to the court. the court will look at your side with an open mind and if they see that you are giving a fair account then they will let you go free. the cops are only looking at how they can make a charge stick. they don't want to hear anything that doesn't favor their case. they will either ignore it, refuse to believe it or look for a way to prove otherwise.
Title: Re: Letter from the police
Post by: nobodyenduser on October 01, 2013, 02:33 pm
This bit of advice is from personal experience. If it ever goes far enough you find yourself in a courtroom, never never, never, accept a public defender unless you absolutely positively have no other choice. Do whatever you can to pay for an attorney. Mortgage your home, borrow money, hell even steal money. The state pays for your public defender so in essence the people who are prosecuting and trying to send you to prison is paying for your defense. Talk about a conflict of interest. Most often a public defender is a green behind the ear, just out of law school dweeb who has lunch with the prosecutor.

So always pay for a lawyer. The ones you pay for will actually work for you the more money the better attorney it is the Ju$t us system (err I mean justice) If you have enough money you can probably get away with murder (remember OJ Simpson) but if you have no choice but to accept a public pretender then sorry to break the bad news but prepare to be convicted.
Title: Re: Letter from the police
Post by: gn0ssos on October 01, 2013, 02:41 pm
Hmm... I do agree with the strategy of not talking to the cops, but it has worked for me before to pull the wool over their eyes. Whether they knew I was lying or not, I can't be sure, but I totally played the doe-eyes, sweet young thing card and I got away with what could have been a felony charge. Let me explain:

Me and two of my male friends were busted by the jump out boys, they pulled us into a parking lot after leaving a house they bought weed at. (They had foolishly parked on the wrong side of the road AND sat outside for awhile to weigh it.. dumbasses.) It didn't help that three of us are/were dreadheads and at least one of them had been arrested for pot, etc. before. The cops knew him by name.

Anyway, I had just bought a full bottle of Adderall off someone, label pulled off, the whole nine. Didn't even try to hide it, it was right there in plain view in my purse. So fuck the weed, they're more worried about that when they see it. (What's crazy too is I had an instinctive feeling before we went to get the weed that I wanted to drop that off at my house first).

They take me to their secret HQ or whatever the fuck for questioning and I just keep to my story that I didn't know what the pills were, that a friend gave them to me because I wanted to lose weight. "Well you know we could charge you with a felony for these, right? We know what they are, what they'll come back as at the lab." "Are you serious? I had no idea!" Commence freak out, "But officer, I'm in school, if I catch a drug charge, I'll lose my financial aid!", etc.

They want names, they want me to flip on someone. I really had just moved to the area and didn't really know anyone other than maybe a pot dealer, so it wasn't much of a lie when I told them I didn't know anyone. They threatened me, said they'd let me go but if I didn't call them within a week with a name they'd charge me. I was paranoid but didn't call em or hear from them again.

..... and this is one time where acting the role of the innocent bystander did work. If I had refused to talk without a lawyer I'm sure they would have taken me to court and I'd probably be a convicted felon right now/at least have a criminal record. I don't.
Title: Re: Letter from the police
Post by: nobodyenduser on October 01, 2013, 03:00 pm
Hmm... I do agree with the strategy of not talking to the cops, but it has worked for me before to pull the wool over their eyes. Whether they knew I was lying or not, I can't be sure, but I totally played the doe-eyes, sweet young thing card and I got away with what could have been a felony charge.

That "sweet young thing" doesn't really work for those of us who are 6'2" 240lbs with a thick beard and full length arm and neck tats.

But good for you!
Title: Re: Letter from the police
Post by: isallmememe on October 01, 2013, 03:08 pm
Hmm... I do agree with the strategy of not talking to the cops, but it has worked for me before to pull the wool over their eyes. Whether they knew I was lying or not, I can't be sure, but I totally played the doe-eyes, sweet young thing card and I got away with what could have been a felony charge. Let me explain:

Me and two of my male friends were busted by the jump out boys, they pulled us into a parking lot after leaving a house they bought weed at. (They had foolishly parked on the wrong side of the road AND sat outside for awhile to weigh it.. dumbasses.) It didn't help that three of us are/were dreadheads and at least one of them had been arrested for pot, etc. before. The cops knew him by name.

Anyway, I had just bought a full bottle of Adderall off someone, label pulled off, the whole nine. Didn't even try to hide it, it was right there in plain view in my purse. So fuck the weed, they're more worried about that when they see it. (What's crazy too is I had an instinctive feeling before we went to get the weed that I wanted to drop that off at my house first).

They take me to their secret HQ or whatever the fuck for questioning and I just keep to my story that I didn't know what the pills were, that a friend gave them to me because I wanted to lose weight. "Well you know we could charge you with a felony for these, right? We know what they are, what they'll come back as at the lab." "Are you serious? I had no idea!" Commence freak out, "But officer, I'm in school, if I catch a drug charge, I'll lose my financial aid!", etc.

They want names, they want me to flip on someone. I really had just moved to the area and didn't really know anyone other than maybe a pot dealer, so it wasn't much of a lie when I told them I didn't know anyone. They threatened me, said they'd let me go but if I didn't call them within a week with a name they'd charge me. I was paranoid but didn't call em or hear from them again.

..... and this is one time where acting the role of the innocent bystander did work. If I had refused to talk without a lawyer I'm sure they would have taken me to court and I'd probably be a convicted felon right now/at least have a criminal record. I don't.

2 things..

1. you probably had a good idea what evidence they had on you in the first place. most cases you can never be sure and even in your case you probably couldn't be certain what other evidence they might obtain at a further date.

2. you were still extremely lucky as you did admit fully to taking possession of a controlled substance. my guess is the cops gave you a break because of your schooling. most cases people won't get a break like that.

if they had of charged you tho, by the time you had got to court that excuse would not have helped you at all. you will have already said that you took possession. the fact that you didn't know exactly what the substance was would be no defense as ignorance is no defense in law. the prosecutor would likely emphasize his case on that fact. then he would use the fact that you refused to name the supplier to show you out to look like some well-versed professional criminal/drug user.

to be blunt it wouldn't go well for you in court. i don't know how many pills we are talking about here but its unlikely you would be facing jail on a first offense. a fair judge would go easy on you because he would take into account that you could likely have taken possession without realizing the pills were a controlled substance, but you will have still committed an offense and so he would still be compelled to sentence you. he would also take into consideration the facts of how you were arrested, i.e with the two friends and the weed. so even tho sentencing would probably be light, you would still have a drug record which would follow you around for life like a bad smell and as you said your school funding would be cut.

Title: Re: Letter from the police
Post by: isallmememe on October 01, 2013, 03:18 pm

That "sweet young thing" doesn't really work for those of us who are 6'2" 240lbs with a thick beard and full length arm and neck tats.

But good for you!

i know rite? ..life's just so unfair
Title: Re: Letter from the police
Post by: pinkkitty on October 01, 2013, 04:17 pm
That "sweet young thing" doesn't really work for those of us who are 6'2" 240lbs with a thick beard and full length arm and neck tats.

But good for you!
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Haha, this made me laugh.  Great info on this thread though. Thanks especially to isallmememe. Your info could keep me out of jail one day.
Title: Re: Letter from the police
Post by: gn0ssos on October 01, 2013, 04:59 pm
That "sweet young thing" doesn't really work for those of us who are 6'2" 240lbs with a thick beard and full length arm and neck tats.

But good for you!

It probably wouldn't work for me anymore now that I'm older and fatter, either. Hah.

Thanks for the info isallmememe. I definitely wouldn't be trying this again, just pointing out that there are RARE instances where this does work, we just have to use our best judgement for our particular instance. Not trying to encourage it.
Title: Re: Letter from the police
Post by: 88fxstc on October 01, 2013, 05:03 pm
That "sweet young thing" doesn't really work for those of us who are 6'2" 240lbs with a thick beard and full length arm and neck tats.

But good for you!

It probably wouldn't work for me anymore now that I'm older and fatter, either. Hah.

Yup, I was just wondering what you looked like when that went down...LOL
Title: Re: Letter from the police
Post by: gn0ssos on October 01, 2013, 06:19 pm
That "sweet young thing" doesn't really work for those of us who are 6'2" 240lbs with a thick beard and full length arm and neck tats.

But good for you!

It probably wouldn't work for me anymore now that I'm older and fatter, either. Hah.

Yup, I was just wondering what you looked like when that went down...LOL

I was 19 and was just starting to dread up my hair. I've always looked like a hippie. Now I'm 24, still pretty but have put on a little weight since then, not to mention my dreads are long as fuck so I get dirty looks from cops quite a bit. Pretty sure they'd call bullshit on me now if I tried that again. hah
Title: Re: Letter from the police
Post by: Tessellated on October 01, 2013, 06:34 pm
Say nothing, answer no questions

^^this!! you can't help receiving mail can you? so someone with a vendetta has sent you something nasty through the post, or some idiot dealer has got the wrong address

deny everything, you don't even need lawyer present; if you haven't been arrested it means they've got nothing on you.

'no officer i don't know why you've called me in for a chat'.

'what, you mean someones tried to mail drugs to my house? i've never heard of that before, do you have any fingerprints or anything to get who did it?'

'no i have no idea who could be trying to stitch me up'

Don't say ANY of that! Say nothing. If they have not charged you then you don't have to talk to them, if they have get a lawyer.

If you say "no officer i don't know why you've called me in for a chat" and they find these forum posts in your browser history you have just discredited any claim you make in court.

ANYTHING you say can be used against you, what is worse NOTHING you say can be used to protect you as the cops decide what they record and what they do not record and they can suddenly have bad memory later.

Just say "I do not wish to talk with you about this or anything else officer" in a polite tone. Then just sit there staring at their questions silently. If they take you into custody say "I demand to see a lawyer", if you have your own lawyer tell them his name. If you do not have a lawyer say "I don't have a lawyer and demand to have one".

More often than not they leave you alone after you stare blanky at 5-10 questions. They hate it when the suspect does not do all the work for them. Most people are convicted because they said something stupid, cops hate doing actual work.
Title: Re: Letter from the police
Post by: sandl4nd on October 01, 2013, 06:49 pm
no, say nothing. talking to the police will not help you, they are trying to build a case against you. they are not lookng to question you to find you innocent, they want to build that case. the only reason they question you is to gain evidence via confession to further their case. if they have enough evidence to charge you already then no matter what you say they will always assume you could be lying and charge you anyway. if they don't have enough to charge you then saying nothing can't possibly give them even more.

you'll be surprised how you can fuck yourself in an interview by giving a false account. for one they will question you about every detail of your story and if you slip up about the smallest little detail they will then be able to show you to be a liar to the court which will be a nice little bonus for the prosecution when the trial starts.

i know it sounds like the obvious no brainer to give a story and save yourself getting charged in the first place. but it can so easily backfire. plus if you talk now to the police then you have just given them your whole defense strategy months before you go to court. they now got a whole lotta time to work a way around it. that's why its even more important for innocent suspects to stick to no comment answers.

do yourself a favor, keep your defense for when it really matters, in the court room.


Taking note of this, thanks :)
Title: Re: Letter from the police
Post by: mayimilani on October 01, 2013, 06:58 pm
This bit of advice is from personal experience. If it ever goes far enough you find yourself in a courtroom, never never, never, accept a public defender unless you absolutely positively have no other choice. Do whatever you can to pay for an attorney. Mortgage your home, borrow money, hell even steal money. The state pays for your public defender so in essence the people who are prosecuting and trying to send you to prison is paying for your defense. Talk about a conflict of interest. Most often a public defender is a green behind the ear, just out of law school dweeb who has lunch with the prosecutor.

So always pay for a lawyer. The ones you pay for will actually work for you the more money the better attorney it is the Ju$t us system (err I mean justice) If you have enough money you can probably get away with murder (remember OJ Simpson) but if you have no choice but to accept a public pretender then sorry to break the bad news but prepare to be convicted.

I used to work as an attorney for the Massachusetts court of appeals and the briefs written by the public defender's office, called the Committee for Public Counsel Services (CPCS), were some of the best; generally more thorough, accurate, and better argued than those of the best law firms in the state.

In many states, the public defender's office is incredibly selective, especially with regards to the are or program the attorney is responsible for. Public defenders are usually incredibly passionate about what they do. There is no conflict of interest present; the state has a vested interest in protecting the constitutional rights of its citizens, and the attorneys are committed to serving the interests of their client. Judges are state employees, too.

Here's my advice: immediately invoke your right to counsel and to silence. The police are allowed to continue questioning you if you remain silent, but they must terminate any interrogation the moment you invoke the right to counsel. You should say nothing with regards to the incident at all. Nothing. Just say that you are invoking your right to counsel because you need an advocate and a professional to explain better to you what's going on here.
Title: Re: Letter from the police
Post by: motek on October 01, 2013, 06:59 pm
Tesselated is absolutely correct!  NEVER TALK TO THE POLICE!

Name Rank and Serial Number (address) ONLY!

   DO watch that video by the harvard professor on YouTube mentioned earlier in the thread called  "Why you should NEVER talk to the police" or something like that

It's very informative, and I dont think I've heard such a fast talker in a while!  It's pretty entertaining!\


take care out there all


m m m motek
Title: Re: Letter from the police
Post by: nobodyenduser on October 01, 2013, 08:31 pm
Tesselated is absolutely correct!  NEVER TALK TO THE POLICE!

Name Rank and Serial Number (address) ONLY!

   DO watch that video by the harvard professor on YouTube mentioned earlier in the thread called  "Why you should NEVER talk to the police" or something like that

It's very informative, and I dont think I've heard such a fast talker in a while!  It's pretty entertaining!\


take care out there all


m m m motek

I am constantly surprised at how many people do talk to the police. Anytime COPS is on TV you hear the cop saying "Well I can't help you if you don't talk to me" then people will start talking.

COPS CAN'T help you, just as someone previously stated, it is the judge and jury you need to talk to, they are the ones who will or will not convict.

It is right there in the Miranda rights "Anything you say, CAN and WILL be used against you in a court of law."

They are telling you to your face that anything you say and they mean anything will be used against you. Believe it!

Cops will get mad and slam shit down on the table to intimidate you. Your only response should be "I am invoking my constitutional right to remain silent" then only speak with your lawyer.

Will you go to jail? Most likely yes right then and there but most people are typically released soon. They can keep you incarcerated for up to 72 hours before charging you (I think) Keeping quiet and doing a few days in jail is better than talking yourself into years in prison.

The prison industry is big business so

DO NOT TALK TOO THE POLICE!
Title: Re: Letter from the police
Post by: Duals28 on October 01, 2013, 08:49 pm
Never talk to the police.
Title: Re: Letter from the police
Post by: isallmememe on October 01, 2013, 08:53 pm
over here they will often try and tel you in an interview that if you tell them what they want to know then they will talk to the judge and get him to go easy on you. they often say this if they want you to grass somebody up, like a dealer. no surprise many people do actually fall for this shit. the fact is tho that if the police had that kind of influence on a judge then they would also have the influence to go the other way and get a judge to go harder than that on you. for one no judge would accept being told whether to go hard or easy on anybody, they have much too bigger ego's for that. but secondly that would in no way constitute a fair justice system. it does not and could not ever happen in a western country. it would take somebody way higher up a ladder than a cop to have influence like that.

now that we have dvd recordings in police interviews here, and we are entitled by law to have a copy. if i ever find myself in an interview i seriously hope to god they try that shit on me now. i will let him say enough to incriminate himself, then tell him that i will be requiring a copy of the recording as is my right, and that he can expect to see himself on yt tonight telling the whole world what a corrupt legal system we have.

i reckon that should shut him the fuck up.
Title: Re: Letter from the police
Post by: DrZee on October 01, 2013, 08:55 pm
I agree with everything in this thread! Silence is golden.

Also, if it's a trivial amount then not responding at all will certainly lose their interest. It would be silly for the police to pay their officer for hours trying to convict someone of less than what those hours are worth.

Title: Re: Letter from the police
Post by: katyperry on October 02, 2013, 03:36 am
The problem is that there were 2 orders. I don't know how the mail system works. Maybe they search all the mail now my friend gets. It's still a very low amount of "hard" drugs sample size and some pain medicine.

Also it's non-us justice system. It works a little bit different. I think they either don't prosecute because first time offender and low amount or they can also sentence a fine without trial. If you want to fight the fine you can have a trial, but it can make the judge/public prosecutor a bit angry if they think you abuse the option and then they raise the fine.

But the justice system is a joke anyway. They steal from you and punish you for it.  ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Letter from the police
Post by: rosewoodangela on October 02, 2013, 03:55 am
Oh god, this has me worried now O__o

Which vendor was it....?
Title: Re: Letter from the police
Post by: Chillinfast on October 02, 2013, 05:18 am
It's not an official summons to go to court, so technically you don't have to respond, submit or whatever.

repeat after me:
"are you detaining me or am I free to go"


Title: Re: Letter from the police
Post by: IMADOCTOR on October 02, 2013, 07:04 am
As a Proctologist I can only echo the things others(or atleast smarter ones) have echoed.

Speaking with Police will net you no benefit whatsoever.  Anything said they are trying to find a way to use it against you.

Quote
repeat after me:
"are you detaining me or am I free to go"

If for some reason you do get "summoned" or "called in to answer some questions" and can't afford your lawyer this is the ONLY thing you should say.  Don't drink their coffee, don't make chit chat, their #1 goal is to bend you over and fuck you.  As someone who looks at their assholes on a regular bases I can tell you that there's no difference between them and their rectum.
Title: Re: Letter from the police
Post by: RoyalOil on October 02, 2013, 07:08 am
Definitely, Give abosulty NO eplantion. "Oh i think they may be my neighor's. Lemme sign." that's definitley a mission of guils.
Title: Re: Letter from the police
Post by: boge on October 02, 2013, 07:20 am
I had a situation years ago getting a speeding ticket.  I handed my i.d over and told the cop my change of address blah blah blah and someone speeds by and he tells me to stay put and takes off after this car.  I thought to myself fuck it and went home.

As I'm going home I remembered he had my drivers license.  A couple of hours later (3am) I hear my phone ring as someone is downstairs wanting to be buzzed up.  A channel on my tv shows the camera in the lobby and it's the cop trying to get a hold of me.  Of course I don't answer, and low and behold a week or so later I get my drivers license back to me via the mail.

Just an envelope and my id hahahahaha.  It will never help you to speak to the police EVER!  Good luck bro.
Title: Re: Letter from the police
Post by: katyperry on October 02, 2013, 07:28 am
Oh god, this has me worried now O__o

Which vendor was it....?

Because my buddy had 2 pending orders I can't tell. I don't know if they found one and then searched all the mail of my buddy and found the other order?
Title: Re: Letter from the police
Post by: Mister Mortimer on October 02, 2013, 08:12 am
Say nothing, answer no questions

^^this!! you can't help receiving mail can you? so someone with a vendetta has sent you something nasty through the post, or some idiot dealer has got the wrong address

deny everything, you don't even need lawyer present; if you haven't been arrested it means they've got nothing on you.

'no officer i don't know why you've called me in for a chat'.

'what, you mean someones tried to mail drugs to my house? i've never heard of that before, do you have any fingerprints or anything to get who did it?'

'no i have no idea who could be trying to stitch me up'

If you say "no officer i don't know why you've called me in for a chat" and they find these forum posts in your browser history you have just discredited any claim you make in court.

i can see what you're saying, but don't you think most innocent people would say a variation of this? i think sitting there, clamming up and saying absolutely nothing makes you look more dodgy, like you DO have something to hide. they might not get you this time around, but they might keep a closer eye on you to get you back for pulling one over on them. don't you think?

this isn't advice to anyone, i'm genuinely curious about this
Title: Re: Letter from the police
Post by: IMADOCTOR on October 02, 2013, 08:14 am
Quote

Because my buddy had 2 pending orders I can't tell. I don't know if they found one and then searched all the mail of my buddy and found the other order?

It can be a number of things
1) Vendor wars, where a vendor will place orders with alt accounts to police stations, wal-marts and other horrible shit
2) The letter could be fake and it is the vendor trying to SS (selective scam, where they are "legit" 95% of the time but take 5% of orders as pure profit)
3) LE flagged all packages that match the particular return address they were using (least likely imo)

It seems odd, any type of "love letter" should be coming from the Postal Inspector/Customs and not directly from LE.  Are we talking the local city/county cops or the state bureau? 
Title: Re: Letter from the police
Post by: Krazys on October 02, 2013, 08:20 am
repeat after me:
"are you detaining me or am I free to go"
That is it. Lots of other good advice in this thread; but, that is it in a nut shell for >99% of the time. They will try and trick you otherwise but it really is that clear cut. If you not not under arrest or free to go then they are detaining you illegally.


EDIT for Mister Mortimer: That is certainly what the cops want you to think. It can even be done successfully but in most cases it will backfire on you.
Title: Re: Letter from the police
Post by: katyperry on October 02, 2013, 09:02 am
Quote

Because my buddy had 2 pending orders I can't tell. I don't know if they found one and then searched all the mail of my buddy and found the other order?

It seems odd, any type of "love letter" should be coming from the Postal Inspector/Customs and not directly from LE.  Are we talking the local city/county cops or the state bureau?

EU, local police.

letter contained the following:

Suspect xy come to us date time....

criminal charge: buying drug X through mail against law xyz
location: adress of my buddy
time: stupid police officer probably just put a random time in it (date is before he ordered something)

My buddy didn't even buy drug X, he bought drug Z.

It could be connected to this:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=211281.0;topicseen

or this bust:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?action=printpage;topic=182012.0

because he bought drug X maybe one year ago through a dutch/german seller if I remember correctly.

It all seems a bit strange.
Title: Re: Letter from the police
Post by: makeawish on October 02, 2013, 10:16 am
HEY IM NEW
Title: Re: Letter from the police
Post by: jamon-one on October 02, 2013, 10:44 am
over here they will often try and tel you in an interview that if you tell them what they want to know then they will talk to the judge and get him to go easy on you. they often say this if they want you to grass somebody up, like a dealer. no surprise many people do actually fall for this shit. the fact is tho that if the police had that kind of influence on a judge then they would also have the influence to go the other way and get a judge to go harder than that on you. for one no judge would accept being told whether to go hard or easy on anybody, they have much too bigger ego's for that. but secondly that would in no way constitute a fair justice system. it does not and could not ever happen in a western country. it would take somebody way higher up a ladder than a cop to have influence like that.

now that we have dvd recordings in police interviews here, and we are entitled by law to have a copy. if i ever find myself in an interview i seriously hope to god they try that shit on me now. i will let him say enough to incriminate himself, then tell him that i will be requiring a copy of the recording as is my right, and that he can expect to see himself on yt tonight telling the whole world what a corrupt legal system we have.

i reckon that should shut him the fuck up.
   how? cops are perfectly within the parameters of the law by doing that. they can tell you whatever lie they wish to get what they want-a confession/self-incrimination.
Title: Re: Letter from the police
Post by: TomMarvoloRiddle on October 02, 2013, 11:51 am
Does anyone know of any precedents set for prosecuting SR users?
I (aussie) heard of someone arrested, through the vine (in Perth, I think), who was dealing drugs he had purchased through the silkroad, from his home. A visitor was searched as he left the premises, after which it was raided.
I don't know the details of the charges he faced, nor whether he has consequently been convicted. That is the only case I have heard of where someone has been prosecuted(?) directly for buying or selling drugs through SR.
Who knows of some legal precedents in the area/ever?
Perhaps that would give OP some reference.
Title: Re: Letter from the police
Post by: katyperry on October 02, 2013, 12:25 pm
usually the police wants the vendors and don't care too much about the little fish.

I think usually you just don't get your order and that's it if we are not talking about large amounts. But there was a bust in july in germany linked to silkroad (they were selling the drug named in the letter and my buddy might have bought some of it). The vendor might have saved a database with his customers and this may have caused the letter, because the wrong drug is named in the criminal charge and the time is set before the recent order.

Getting letters with drugs might be a different story than finding your name and adress at a raid. Either they saved it because they were stupid or the cops searched the printer memory?

edit: The outcome as it is right now might be a fine ranging from $500 to 1k.
Title: Re: Letter from the police
Post by: shifting sands on October 02, 2013, 12:59 pm
If you got a letter from the police then you can assume they think they know where you live. If they had anything serious on you they would come and get you. They would at least come and knock on your door.
Sending you a letter asking you to hand your self in is a last resort attempt by some copper to get a result without putting in the work because they know that it's not worth chasing. They have better things to do with better chances of conviction.
Ignore it.
If you were daft enough to take them up on their kind offer then you are probably in some sort of panic, acting without thinking and very likely to drop yourself in it and do all their hard work for them. Turning a no hoper of a case into a sure thing.
Believe me they are just chancing it.
do not use the address for any more drops and remember if you do hand your self in they will arrest you and read you your right's which go something like this:
"You do not have to say anything. But it may harm your defence if you fail to mention when questioned anything you later rely on in court.'"   
Title: Re: Letter from the police
Post by: isallmememe on October 02, 2013, 01:06 pm


i can see what you're saying, but don't you think most innocent people would say a variation of this? i think sitting there, clamming up and saying absolutely nothing makes you look more dodgy, like you DO have something to hide. they might not get you this time around, but they might keep a closer eye on you to get you back for pulling one over on them. don't you think?

this isn't advice to anyone, i'm genuinely curious about this

don't worry about the cops thinking you look dodgy, its the judge and jury that counts. besides the cops think everyones dodgy. if they've arrested you then they already think you're dodgy. nothing you say or how you act is going to change their view. every cop would have seen some of the best goody two shoes acting ever, then still found the suspect to be guilty. in fact most criminals are very good at doing the innocent act, it happens all the time, it means nothing to the cops. all that matters to them is whether they got enough proof.

basically...

"in my opinion the defendant was acting and looking rather dodgy when we questioned him your honor"

..is not evidence.

Title: Re: Letter from the police
Post by: IDoNotLikeProhibition on October 02, 2013, 01:13 pm
Quote
Getting letters with drugs might be a different story than finding your name and adress at a raid. Either they saved it because they were stupid or the cops searched the printer memory?

Yes it is a slightly different story, especially if there is not only stored the adress but also the amount ordered each time. Searching the printer memory seems to be possible although I never heard of one case they really did this.

You will only find out what they are knowing with a lawyer, they won't tell you the truth as they try to trick you into a confession. So remaining silent is still the best advice. No drug related criminal record will help a lot to keep the fine low or even to not prosecute.

Title: Re: Letter from the police
Post by: isallmememe on October 02, 2013, 01:22 pm
over here they will often try and tel you in an interview that if you tell them what they want to know then they will talk to the judge and get him to go easy on you. they often say this if they want you to grass somebody up, like a dealer. no surprise many people do actually fall for this shit. the fact is tho that if the police had that kind of influence on a judge then they would also have the influence to go the other way and get a judge to go harder than that on you. for one no judge would accept being told whether to go hard or easy on anybody, they have much too bigger ego's for that. but secondly that would in no way constitute a fair justice system. it does not and could not ever happen in a western country. it would take somebody way higher up a ladder than a cop to have influence like that.

now that we have dvd recordings in police interviews here, and we are entitled by law to have a copy. if i ever find myself in an interview i seriously hope to god they try that shit on me now. i will let him say enough to incriminate himself, then tell him that i will be requiring a copy of the recording as is my right, and that he can expect to see himself on yt tonight telling the whole world what a corrupt legal system we have.

i reckon that should shut him the fuck up.
   how? cops are perfectly within the parameters of the law by doing that. they can tell you whatever lie they wish to get what they want-a confession/self-incrimination.

no, you've misunderstood. i wasn't saying what they do there is illegal, i know very well they can say whatever to get a confession. i've pretty much been saying that throughout this whole thread. the point is tho, a cop on youtube 'admitting' that they can and do influence court cases to that extent looks really really bad for the public image of the judicial system. the cop is basically saying that people are not getting fair trials and sentences. even tho it is bullshit, its still a fucking pr atom bomb.
Title: Re: Letter from the police
Post by: mayimilani on October 02, 2013, 01:34 pm
I'm confused - did this happen in the US? If so, your friend has no obligation to go anywhere, do anything, or say anything. He should not respond to that letter. He shouldn't talk to the police and he shouldn't lie to the police. If confronted, he say (pleasantly), "I grew up around lawyers. I would feel more comfortable having a professional advocate to explain the situation to me. I cannot speak to you without an attorney present." Done. Police have to stop questioning at that point.

Miranda warnings are something the Supreme Court requires police officers to give for our benefit. It's not to scare us; it's to remind us of our constitutional rights. Refusing to speak and requesting counsel cannot be referenced at any hearing or trial and is cannot be considered an indication of guilt.

Your friend isn't under arrest at this point, and the police can't detain him without a warrant outside of a Terry stop (which isn't an issue here). Since he's being pursued as a suspect, he's under no obligation to speak with or cooperate with the police beyond giving his name and submitting peacefully to detention.
Title: Re: Letter from the police
Post by: mocoiai on October 02, 2013, 02:55 pm
I agree, you dont talk to the police =P
Title: Re: Letter from the police
Post by: goldfinger on October 02, 2013, 03:09 pm
Never talk to the police, period. Unless you're uber confident and have a ton of experience in dealing with them. Even then.. its NOT advisable to speak with
police. They're just there to pump info out of you, if no one told on themselves or others..(not speaking). It would virtually destroy 85%+ of all cases!!

Besides, if they knew all the details why the hell would they be asking? They just want info they don't have or a confession to hand over to a prosecutor!
Title: Re: Letter from the police
Post by: jamon-one on October 02, 2013, 03:14 pm
agreed NEVER talk to the police. you will very likely severely affect your chances of a lawyer getting you out of it. but isall-as a cops daughter, i can tell you that saying it may go easier on you if you cooperate, is very  much standard operating procedure. when i was arrested they pulled that crap on me too.
Title: Re: Letter from the police
Post by: katyperry on October 02, 2013, 04:09 pm
I'm confused - did this happen in the US? If so, your friend has no obligation to go anywhere, do anything, or say anything.

It's EU.

Title: Re: Letter from the police
Post by: mendofarmslove#1 on October 02, 2013, 05:11 pm
THIS WAS ALLOVER DPR BEING GANSTA AND WANTIGN TO PUT A CAP IN A FOOL THAT THE SHIP WENT DOWN
Title: Re: Letter from the police
Post by: Comey on October 02, 2013, 05:36 pm
nice topic
Title: Re: Letter from the police
Post by: katyperry on October 02, 2013, 05:50 pm
Well FML
Title: Re: Letter from the police
Post by: isallmememe on October 03, 2013, 01:20 am
THIS WAS ALLOVER DPR BEING GANSTA AND WANTIGN TO PUT A CAP IN A FOOL THAT THE SHIP WENT DOWN

if the grassing little fuckmother had released all that info it probably would have bought the road down anyway. it would have totally ruined any confidence anybody had of using the road anonymously. if dpr did what they say then he was just doing what he had to do to keep the road going. the fuckmother made his bed. he should have thought about it before being a slimy little butthurt leech.