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Title: Vendors Selling RC's as MDMA
Post by: Grabthellello on August 19, 2012, 01:24 pm
Anyone have any experience with this? I bought a decent sized MDMA order from a reputable seller (hundreds of transactions and nearly a 100% rating) and thought I got some fire, but I'm starting to have my doubts now that I've tried it a couple times. I'm pretty sure it is probably an RC but I'm not too experienced when it comes to those. Both times I took it, it feels like I'm rolling balls but there isn't really much of that body euphoria that one expects from molly. The comedown felt a little ampy too..hard to sleep..kinda wired..no afterglow. There was a little anxiety to it too. No "loved up" feeling whatsoever. Instead of it making you wanna move and dance it kinda shut you down in a way. I'm pretty sure my buddies felt it too because even though they kept telling me this is the most intense molly they ever took, they all hit the couch after a few minutes lol...totally the opposite of good mdma.

It came as small, off white/tan-ish crystals and had that bitter taste to it. I can see how this could easily pass as MDMA even to more experienced users like myself, but like I said, after taking it twice I'm fairly certain this is either an RC or a dirty batch or something. It just sucks to think that one of the bigger, trusted names on here might be screwing people over. I don't really want to mention names though because I can't be 100% certain without a lab report and I don't want to muddy someone's reputation unless I have hard evidence other than my subjective opinion.

Anyways, has anyone else out there had this same experience? Is this a common occurrence? And can anyone guess as to what RC this might be?
Title: Re: Vendors Selling RC's as MDMA
Post by: johnwholesome on August 19, 2012, 01:39 pm
Sesampino by any chance?
Title: Re: Vendors Selling RC's as MDMA
Post by: yellowwallpaper on August 19, 2012, 01:40 pm
Could be methylone; that can be crystalised. Most MDMA-like RCs would have to be a powder.

You can buy testing kits really cheap that tell between methylone, and MDXX. I believe methylone reacts yellow to Marquis rather than dark purple.

clearnet warning:

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/491284-M1-Methylone-4-MMC-Mephedrone-B1-Butylone-test-results

reaction test results of methylone (marked M1) and M-cat.

Title: Re: Vendors Selling RC's as MDMA
Post by: Mogulay on August 19, 2012, 01:41 pm
Sesampino Strikes again.
If he doesn't fix his orders which I doubt he will, I message him claiming it isn't molly yada yada yada, he claims it was tested by 3 labs, and firmly believes it is MDMA.
Sounds like bullshit to me, My body knows what MDMA feels like, I don't need some vendor telling me what he thinks, when he just made hundreds of dollars by scamming me( and others).
I just want my fucking money back or some REAL MOLLY!!
IMO- it is not methylone, that would have been preferred to this garbage, at least methylone is similar to mdma, and lasts more than an HOUR.
Title: Re: Vendors Selling RC's as MDMA
Post by: johnwholesome on August 19, 2012, 01:45 pm
We dun know if this guy ordered from Ses mate, I was just asking if...
Title: Re: Vendors Selling RC's as MDMA
Post by: Grabthellello on August 20, 2012, 12:11 am
I think I still have one or two caps left from my 5g order. I'll probably grab a Marquis kit and test it. Afaik tho there are a lot of substances that will turn black with it so I don't know if it will be a full proof way to know for sure. His vendor review thread has nothing but praises and positive Marquis tests so I don't know. It was my first order on SR as well so maybe he was selectively scamming me thinking I'd be a naive newbie or something. I'll post the results here and to his review thread.
Title: Re: Vendors Selling RC's as MDMA
Post by: johnwholesome on August 20, 2012, 12:15 am
Yeah man Marquis won't do shit, if there is any amount of any MDxx in it it will go  purple/black.
Title: Re: Vendors Selling RC's as MDMA
Post by: lesfalco on August 20, 2012, 12:35 am
chemicalBrothers, sesampino - avoid these so called "mdma" vendors.

pieces of shit
Title: Re: Vendors Selling RC's as MDMA
Post by: username100 on August 20, 2012, 12:47 am
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Instead of it making you wanna move and dance it kinda shut you down in a way. I'm pretty sure my buddies felt it too because even though they kept telling me this is the most intense molly they ever took, they all hit the couch after a few minutes lol...totally the opposite of good mdma.

This is actually a sign of good MDMA. People who are used to MDMA+amphetamine (speedy pills) might think it's bad though. It's a sign of pure MDMA.
Title: Re: Vendors Selling RC's as MDMA
Post by: Holly on August 20, 2012, 01:12 am
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Instead of it making you wanna move and dance it kinda shut you down in a way. I'm pretty sure my buddies felt it too because even though they kept telling me this is the most intense molly they ever took, they all hit the couch after a few minutes lol...totally the opposite of good mdma.

This is actually a sign of good MDMA. People who are used to MDMA+amphetamine (speedy pills) might think it's bad though. It's a sign of pure MDMA.

Being a 5+ year user and being around LOTS of MDMA, this is the good shit.  You got the good shit, if you think the dirty shit is good then you're whack.
Title: Re: Vendors Selling RC's as MDMA
Post by: ixor568 on August 20, 2012, 02:02 am
Lots of people baggin' on Sesampino's MDMA... Personally, I've received nothing but stellar product from him.

Everyone his thread is claiming BK MDMA or whatever the fuck, all of them seem to be inexperienced MDMA users that just want to bitch, but won't pony up a test kit to confirm their suspecions. I called bullshit in his thread and I'll call bullshit here, sesampino's MDMA is great stuff (However, it's starting to get pretty pricey at 425/10g)
Title: Re: Vendors Selling RC's as MDMA
Post by: johnwholesome on August 20, 2012, 02:03 am
Lots of people baggin' on Sesampino's MDMA... Personally, I've received nothing but stellar product from him.

Everyone his thread is claiming BK MDMA or whatever the fuck, all of them seem to be inexperienced MDMA users that just want to bitch, but won't pony up a test kit to confirm their suspecions. I called bullshit in his thread and I'll call bullshit here, sesampino's MDMA is great stuff (However, it's starting to get pretty pricey at 425/10g)

Fanboy....
Title: Re: Vendors Selling RC's as MDMA
Post by: ixor568 on August 20, 2012, 02:05 am
Yep, that's right. He's hooked me up in the past and. Reshipped a lost package in 5 days, and delivered excellent product every time. I have every reason to be a fan.

Did you test his shit? No? okay.
Title: Re: Vendors Selling RC's as MDMA
Post by: johnwholesome on August 20, 2012, 02:10 am
Yep, that's right. He's hooked me up in the past and. Reshipped a lost package in 5 days, and delivered excellent product every time. I have every reason to be a fan.

Did you test his shit? No? okay.

Unless  you have  ordered within the last 10 days you  can  STFU instead of pissing people off that got screwed already. Yes he has sold good shit in the past.  Guess what, so have all the  others with stellar ratings that went down the drain.

Does that make him  bad? No. Does it mean he did it intentional? No. Is he impervious to errors? NO

A vendor talking about "internal problems, then  buyers with 20+ transaction ratings get asked to FE, then all his  listings disappear. Yeah rite, everything is in the green because  you once got good dope from him.

And you call  people inexperienced?
Title: Re: Vendors Selling RC's as MDMA
Post by: ixor568 on August 20, 2012, 02:27 am
Actually I have received in the past 10 days, so you can shut the fuck up now.

Everything tested fine, rolled my balls off it, as did everyone else I enjoyed it with.
Title: Re: Vendors Selling RC's as MDMA
Post by: johnwholesome on August 20, 2012, 02:28 am
Actually I have received in the past 10 days, so you can shut the fuck up now.

Everything tested fine, rolled my balls off it, as did everyone else I enjoyed it with.

whatever...
Title: Re: Vendors Selling RC's as MDMA
Post by: username100 on August 20, 2012, 02:41 am
Actually I have received in the past 10 days, so you can shut the fuck up now.

Everything tested fine, rolled my balls off it, as did everyone else I enjoyed it with.

whatever...

lol owned.
Title: Re: Vendors Selling RC's as MDMA
Post by: johnwholesome on August 20, 2012, 02:46 am
Actually I have received in the past 10 days, so you can shut the fuck up now.

Everything tested fine, rolled my balls off it, as did everyone else I enjoyed it with.

whatever...

Actually not at all. At first he  got good shit waybackwhen and  then  all  in a sudden he got some dank shitwithin the last 10 days. Trying to bullshit the bullshitter lol, granted though, I am slightly amused...
lol owned.
Title: Re: Vendors Selling RC's as MDMA
Post by: RiseAbove976 on August 20, 2012, 03:10 am
While you guys bicker over who said what I'm gonna have to agree with the OP. I've had MDMA crystal from a few of the top sellers here and while very strong in some ways, it lacked the true qualities of MDMA (euphoria, loved up feeling, desire to move and dance but not necessary jittery), etc, etc.).

I don't know what people here consider the true effects of MDMA to be and maybe this is where some of the difference may come from. To me feeling all "smacked up" is not a true MDMA feeling. If you have been rolling for a few years and especially if mostly in the US then that's probably what you're used to along with the speedy effect of all the amp that the stuff is usually cut with.

I do however remember the good old days back in the 90's when taking a pill would send you to heaven.. Feelings so powerful they are impossible to ever forget. I have yet to get that from any of the MDMA crystal on here. I have however noticed that some of the pills being sold on SR are much better and get quite close to that feeling.

My advice - buy pills instead. I know I know...technically if theyre clean they're the same thing and should be. But for some reason they are not and many people seem to agree. Those of you that remember the good old days will agree that "molly" or MDMA crystal or whatever you want to call it was not really popular or sold back then. It was all about good quality pills
Title: Re: Vendors Selling RC's as MDMA
Post by: lesfalco on August 20, 2012, 03:30 am
i consider good mdma when you can have fun and feel good.

not sesampino's stuff that makes you feel like shit and lazy at the club
Title: Re: Vendors Selling RC's as MDMA
Post by: Holly on August 20, 2012, 03:31 am
While you guys bicker over who said what I'm gonna have to agree with the OP. I've had MDMA crystal from a few of the top sellers here and while very strong in some ways, it lacked the true qualities of MDMA (euphoria, loved up feeling, desire to move and dance but not necessary jittery), etc, etc.).

I don't know what people here consider the true effects of MDMA to be and maybe this is where some of the difference may come from. To me feeling all "smacked up" is not a true MDMA feeling. If you have been rolling for a few years and especially if mostly in the US then that's probably what you're used to along with the speedy effect of all the amp that the stuff is usually cut with.

I do however remember the good old days back in the 90's when taking a pill would send you to heaven.. Feelings so powerful they are impossible to ever forget. I have yet to get that from any of the MDMA crystal on here. I have however noticed that some of the pills being sold on SR are much better and get quite close to that feeling.

My advice - buy pills instead. I know I know...technically if theyre clean they're the same thing and should be. But for some reason they are not and many people seem to agree. Those of you that remember the good old days will agree that "molly" or MDMA crystal or whatever you want to call it was not really popular or sold back then. It was all about good quality pills

No, I don't believe that is necessarily true.  They are the same thing if one pill contains 200mg of pure MDMA that is the only thing that is psychoactive, the binders will not affect it to a degree you would be able to detect.
What I may suspect is just the 'novelty' of an unadulterated MDMA experience, kind of like a first kiss. 
Title: Re: Vendors Selling RC's as MDMA
Post by: ixor568 on August 20, 2012, 03:41 am
While you guys bicker over who said what I'm gonna have to agree with the OP. I've had MDMA crystal from a few of the top sellers here and while very strong in some ways, it lacked the true qualities of MDMA (euphoria, loved up feeling, desire to move and dance but not necessary jittery), etc, etc.).

I don't know what people here consider the true effects of MDMA to be and maybe this is where some of the difference may come from. To me feeling all "smacked up" is not a true MDMA feeling. If you have been rolling for a few years and especially if mostly in the US then that's probably what you're used to along with the speedy effect of all the amp that the stuff is usually cut with.

I do however remember the good old days back in the 90's when taking a pill would send you to heaven.. Feelings so powerful they are impossible to ever forget. I have yet to get that from any of the MDMA crystal on here. I have however noticed that some of the pills being sold on SR are much better and get quite close to that feeling.

My advice - buy pills instead. I know I know...technically if theyre clean they're the same thing and should be. But for some reason they are not and many people seem to agree. Those of you that remember the good old days will agree that "molly" or MDMA crystal or whatever you want to call it was not really popular or sold back then. It was all about good quality pills

No, I don't believe that is necessarily true.  They are the same thing if one pill contains 200mg of pure MDMA that is the only thing that is psychoactive, the binders will not affect it to a degree you would be able to detect.
What I may suspect is just the 'novelty' of an unadulterated MDMA experience, kind of like a first kiss.

I'm going to have to agree with you Holly in regards to that first MDMA experience being like a "first kiss" because I have no idea what else it could be. This seems to be a common thread between people that have used MDMA in the 90s; they all complain about missing that 'lovey' feeling. It doesn't make sense, because MDMA certainly hasn't changed from the 90s... User's brain chemistry, yes, the actual chemical, no.

Very strange
Title: Re: Vendors Selling RC's as MDMA
Post by: johnwholesome on August 20, 2012, 03:54 am
Yeah I mean that is one of the downsides of MDMA. It's quite the  cynical drug in many ways. First it  shows you real magic, and then you learn that each subsequent use will "diminish" that magical feeling. Then it makes you horny like a mofo, but gives you limpdick at the same time.

So yes, thinking back to your first used will always seem like it was way better back then.

But that's not really the problem that was touched on in here. Over the last year I have seen a pattern that seems to repeat itself. New MDMA  vendor comes in with really dank shit. Accumulates massive amounts of positive feedback and then KAPLOW.

Shit happens. Either the mail starts disappearing, or instead of the beautiful brownish crystals you expect you get a bag that's half white powder that tastes like citric acid. Then you don't even bitch too much, you merely point it out on the forums, and then the countdown starts 'til the fanbois show up with their "Oh no my BFF bestest vendor ever would never do that"

And it really starts pissing me off. I dunno why these people do it. Whether they think their BFF will notice them and add a lil sumtin sumtin extra next time or whatever I dunno. But the fact is  that this board could and should serve  as a feedback circuit.

Yes there are plenty scammers trying to hogg an extra reship. But somehow it always seems they are rather easy to identify. Simply put, people having their head up some vendor's ass because they hope to score a little extra the next time they order diminish the feedback this board has to offer.

This is the 4th time this happens to me in one year. It's frustrating. All 4 vendors with STELLAR ratings. And every single time the same bullshit of getting berated by fanbois adding plenty of insult to injury. Until there were semi-riots after the 30st or 40st shipment was 5 weeks late. Then they scurry off and  come back a  while later with a  new account.

I dun give a shit about losing a gram, I dun even ask for a refund,  I just dun care enough and a lousy fiddy just isn't enough to motivate me to get into some argument with a vendor or some day-long "negotiations". Be that as it may, every single time of those 4 times I mentioned it was the same damn MO. Denial, denial, attempts to discredit until the very last moment where it was so damn obvious it couldn't be denied away anymore, making me think, uhm, who might this account be?

Moving on ordering from someone else.
Title: Re: Vendors Selling RC's as MDMA
Post by: ixor568 on August 20, 2012, 04:06 am
For me, it's not a matter of having my head up another vendor's ass. I'm giving honest feedback for the product I received. He offered a reship which was not expected, and for that I was apprecaitive of, so I'm voicing my opinion on Sesampino. So, when I see people that preface their posts with saying, "I've only rolled once, but this product is shit!" I'm going to call them out on it. (I'm not talking about you specifically) Regardless, if dealing with him really was that much of a hassle, by all means move on, but like I said before, Sesampino's MDMA is good shit.
Title: Re: Vendors Selling RC's as MDMA
Post by: jewfro on August 20, 2012, 04:17 am
what's wrong with chembros?
Title: Re: Vendors Selling RC's as MDMA
Post by: Grabthellello on August 20, 2012, 04:18 am
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Instead of it making you wanna move and dance it kinda shut you down in a way. I'm pretty sure my buddies felt it too because even though they kept telling me this is the most intense molly they ever took, they all hit the couch after a few minutes lol...totally the opposite of good mdma.

This is actually a sign of good MDMA. People who are used to MDMA+amphetamine (speedy pills) might think it's bad though. It's a sign of pure MDMA.

Being a 5+ year user and being around LOTS of MDMA, this is the good shit.  You got the good shit, if you think the dirty shit is good then you're whack.

You poor soul! If that is what you believe to be a good roll then I think you are truly missing out on the wonders of ecstacy. Good ecstacy/molly should make you feel like every movement, smell, taste, and sound is like a little, warm drop of heaven. It makes you want to walk up to everyone around you and tell them you love them..which one of my buddies did the first time he rolled lol. Then when you come down and go home, you lay down and have this afterglow of extreme comfort that makes it very easy and pleasurable to fall asleep. THAT is the good shit that I know.  It certainly doesn't give you anxiety and make you want to be a wallflower over on the couch. It makes you want to move because it feels good to move not because you're hopped up on amphetamines.

Title: Re: Vendors Selling RC's as MDMA
Post by: le botbahn on August 20, 2012, 04:24 am
I suspect that it may actually have been the pills of the 90's that were less pure and adultered.
Testing was less prevelent back then. Meth was cheap as fuck (1/4 of the current price).
Think about that.

I didn't have the opportunity to do pills in the 90's, but I remember all the rage.

I love MDMA, but it's yet to live up to the hype I've always heard. It doesn't make me want to dance. It doesn't make me loved up. It just makes me want to roll around the carpet like a cat. I melt into furniture and moving around takes motivation.

In contrast, whenever I've taken meth it's loved me right the fuck up-- I want to dance, I can be horny, and I talk it up with everyone I encounter. I'll spend the whole night listening to you talk and having intimate exchanges.
And I experience bruxism. I never get bruxism from MDMA (jaw clenching).

Or maybe I just need a retarded dose to get that loved up 90's roll on.
Title: Re: Vendors Selling RC's as MDMA
Post by: johnwholesome on August 20, 2012, 04:29 am
For me, it's not a matter of having my head up another vendor's ass. I'm giving honest feedback for the product I received. He offered a reship which was not expected, and for that I was apprecaitive of, so I'm voicing my opinion on Sesampino. So, when I see people that preface their posts with saying, "I've only rolled once, but this product is shit!" I'm going to call them out on it. (I'm not talking about you specifically) Regardless, if dealing with him really was that much of a hassle, by all means move on, but like I said before, Sesampino's MDMA is good shit.

Really just a suggestion, without any vitriol or spiteful intent or whatever, presented for your consideration. I have not once insinuated that any sort of scamming or  intentional rip off or anything like that was going on, matter of fact,  I have not even claimed bunk. But the very simple fact is, despite having received absolutely primo MDMA  from Ses in the past,  this time I have gotten a bag of clear white extremely sour powder. MDMA is bitter, not sour, and everyone whom has ever tasted it will forever recognize it's nasty ass taste.

So, after my weekend was utterly busted, and a tremendous headache, which I also don't get from clean MDMA, it's just really really really adding insult to injury if people waltz into the thread with a blatant "I'm calling bullshit"

I have no motivation to  fuck with a vendor over some lousy fifty bucks because the batch wasn't cut properly,  this shit happens, to the best even,  and I'm not even the type to hold a crutch. But this type of feedback is necessary.

I really dun wanna fight over this or agonize or anything.  It was just a disappointing experience from someone whom based on his exemplary past I wouldn't have expected it.
Title: Re: Vendors Selling RC's as MDMA
Post by: jewfro on August 20, 2012, 04:33 am
mdma effects are very subjective: sometimes you get social and touchy feely and all that shit, and sometimes, you feel like sitting in a corner and stretching for a few hours on end...

ive never had the lovey running up to everyone bullshit, but i get the "general concept", as i'm way friendlier with strangers and able to have prolonged ridiculous conversations that don't end in fistfights..

and what's wrong with chemicalbrothers, pray tell.
Title: Re: Vendors Selling RC's as MDMA
Post by: johnwholesome on August 20, 2012, 04:38 am
mdma effects are very subjective: sometimes you get social and touchy feely and all that shit, and sometimes, you feel like sitting in a corner and stretching for a few hours on end...

ive never had the lovey running up to everyone bullshit, but i get the "general concept", as i'm way friendlier with strangers and able to have prolonged ridiculous conversations that don't end in fistfights..

and what's wrong with chemicalbrothers, pray tell.

Agree, a) the subjectivity of the experience, b)  set and setting  c) brain chemistry at  the time you take it, so many factors to consider. Also, over the last ten years so many analogs were found in the MDxx group that mimick part or all of the effects but only in a slightly different manner.
Title: Re: Vendors Selling RC's as MDMA
Post by: RiseAbove976 on August 20, 2012, 04:56 am


You poor soul! If that is what you believe to be a good roll then I think you are truly missing out on the wonders of ecstacy. Good ecstacy/molly should make you feel like every movement, smell, taste, and sound is like a little, warm drop of heaven. It makes you want to walk up to everyone around you and tell them you love them..which one of my buddies did the first time he rolled lol. Then when you come down and go home, you lay down and have this afterglow of extreme comfort that makes it very easy and pleasurable to fall asleep. THAT is the good shit that I know.  It certainly doesn't give you anxiety and make you want to be a wallflower over on the couch. It makes you want to move because it feels good to move not because you're hopped up on amphetamines.
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THIS IS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT!

Yes Holly and others, I realize that bonding agents in a pure pill should have no effect on the experience. And absolutely agree with you we have all changed quite a bit since the 90's to say the least :) But what I think got lost in the details is that I actually had that experience again (or at least very very close to it this past weekend). And it was off a few pills from here that I wouldn't say get a tremendous amount of attention. And yet people that buy a lot of the crystal MDMA seem to complain quite a bit.

I see it at music festivals and raves nowadays too - everyone is "rolling" but they're more like a bunch of zombies than the happy, bright-eyed, energetic and loving "e-babies" we were back in the day. Cheesy and melancholic maybe, but I'm pretty sure it's more than that. Something has changed - many people that remember true MDMA talk about it while the newbies tend to deny it maybe because they never quite experienced the real feeling.

Not trying to start a huge, fact based, theoretical argument here. Just my own $0.02. Those experiences are still out there to be had, it just seems like they are fewer and further apart. I found it last weekend in a few pills bought here and it brought an amazing feeling of deep happiness that the recurring smacked up feeling I've been getting from the "TOP" MDMA here didnt even come close.

Title: Re: Vendors Selling RC's as MDMA
Post by: HeyGarEatMyAss on August 20, 2012, 05:42 am
Care to share which pills you are refering to RiseAbove1976?
Title: Re: Vendors Selling RC's as MDMA
Post by: grandaddyturtle on August 20, 2012, 05:46 am
I've seen plenty people hug the couch on pure MDMA for an hour or two and they loved it.  When you start taking higher doses that little "explosion" that happens when you touch something becomes intensified, you almost turn into liquid it feels like.  I think a few 10s of mgs can be the difference between being euphoric and loved up and being just so overwhelmed that you can't move.

I've had 5+ different types of M/E from reputable EU and NL vendors and I believe the subjective experience can vary a lot according to dosage.  However, it all feels generally the same so when you have that common denominator to compare it to you'll be able to tell the presence of adulterance just by your perception alone.

Bomb molly has never made me feel "geeked up" or tweaky, maybe a little chatty but even caffeine can make me more jittery than that.  It always feels AWESOME to sit down, and when you see kids at a rave have the worst blue balls from their stimmed out drugs, making ugly faces, it kinda makes ya feel bad.
Title: Re: Vendors Selling RC's as MDMA
Post by: RiseAbove976 on August 20, 2012, 07:12 am
Care to share which pills you are refering to RiseAbove1976?

I left that the detail out so no one would claim I'm advertising or a fanboy of a specific vendor which I definitely am not. But if you look through my postings you should be able to find it pretty easily.

As I said, just my personal experience, but I am definitely sticking to pills in the future. To each his own :)