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Title: Martial Arts on Psychedelic Drugs
Post by: badniff on February 14, 2013, 09:53 pm
Ever tried it? It's one of my favourite trip-activities.

On LSD and Mushrooms coordination and balance gets enhanced. Time can slow down - giving you lightning reaction times. Chi flows like a waterfall and your perception gets enhanced to the point where all of your opponents intentions become obvious.

I've tried hand-to-hand and weapons. I learned a lot about using the staff from shrooms; they really enhance the creativity in movement making you more unpredictable.

I know other people get lowered physical performance on psychedelics, I have seldom experienced that.

PS I have trained martial arts most of my life and only fight with people who enjoy it. Yes we do get hurt sometimes ;)
Title: Re: Martial Arts on Psychedelic Drugs
Post by: Yoda on February 14, 2013, 10:09 pm
Reminds me of this...

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MMA Fighter Who Ripped Out Friend’s Heart While High on Mushrooms Pleads Guilty
http://www.heavy.com/news/2012/09/mma-fighter-jarrod-wyattripped-out-heart-tongue-high-mushrooms-guilty-murder/

Not saying you're going to do this though.
Title: Re: Martial Arts on Psychedelic Drugs
Post by: badniff on February 14, 2013, 10:24 pm
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Prosecutors never bought Wyatt's story that the mushrooms were to blame for the attack.

Oh, I've read this before! Too little information in the article to make any deeper analysis of the morbid trip they seem to have had, but my bet is that he was probably a bit bonkers to begin with. My experience of shrooms tell me that they are empathogenic, especially in higher dosages. If I act like an asshole on shrooms then I feel real bad afterwards.
Title: Re: Martial Arts on Psychedelic Drugs
Post by: feedmeplease on February 14, 2013, 10:29 pm
Reminds me of this...

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MMA Fighter Who Ripped Out Friend’s Heart While High on Mushrooms Pleads Guilty
http://www.heavy.com/news/2012/09/mma-fighter-jarrod-wyattripped-out-heart-tongue-high-mushrooms-guilty-murder/

Not saying you're going to do this though.

Most likely the guy was a nutter before the shrooms, shrooms don't make you do that  :o
Title: Re: Martial Arts on Psychedelic Drugs
Post by: exis on February 14, 2013, 11:18 pm
Smoking weed and practicing Tai-Chi is pretty great, I must say... Like you said, good flow of Chi, and you can figure out where blockages occur a bit more easily.
Title: Re: Martial Arts on Psychedelic Drugs
Post by: MultiverseRenegade on February 14, 2013, 11:31 pm
Sticky hands is always fun on psychedelics.  ;)
Title: Re: Martial Arts on Psychedelic Drugs
Post by: badniff on February 14, 2013, 11:42 pm
Smoking weed and practicing Tai-Chi is pretty great, I must say... Like you said, good flow of Chi, and you can figure out where blockages occur a bit more easily.
I have had similar experiences on cannabis as well. If you get the chance to try the same on psychedelics, do it. They are on a completely different level if they decide to work with you ;)

No shame on SD-trips though! Different use of set and setting give different ways for the drug to manifest. All are valuable in their own ways.

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Sticky hands is always fun on psychedelics.  ;)

I can see how. I will try it out when I get the chance.
Title: Re: Martial Arts on Psychedelic Drugs
Post by: ChiefMaster on February 15, 2013, 12:07 am
interesting thread :) ive never done it but i agree that your senses are completely heightened and i can see where it would be much easier. keep it up brother :D
Title: Re: Martial Arts on Psychedelic Drugs
Post by: Jasper Jenson on February 18, 2013, 02:24 am
Trained with a friend using kendo wooden swords. We were on acid and woke up next day with arms covered in bruises, knuckles split in a few places. Didn't feel  thing while we were sparring though.
Title: Re: Martial Arts on Psychedelic Drugs
Post by: RobertMcLure on February 18, 2013, 02:51 am
Have to try that one! Great!
Title: Re: Martial Arts on Psychedelic Drugs
Post by: jaftfqs on February 18, 2013, 02:58 am
Sounds pretty fun, I'll have to try it.
Title: Re: Martial Arts on Psychedelic Drugs
Post by: badniff on February 18, 2013, 11:18 pm
Trained with a friend using kendo wooden swords. We were on acid and woke up next day with arms covered in bruises, knuckles split in a few places. Didn't feel  thing while we were sparring though.

With shinai or bokken? Split knuckles sounds serious, though. Hit a friend on the head quite hard when I duelled him on acid. Used bokken and they are solid oak. Thought I killed him first, but he was ok. Had a black pinkie for a couple of weeks. Be careful :D
Title: Re: Martial Arts on Psychedelic Drugs
Post by: wayneperfect on February 19, 2013, 12:21 am
Seems like an intense, far-out experience,. Especially once you were fairly comfortable w/it. I'll have to give it a shot...
Title: Re: Martial Arts on Psychedelic Drugs
Post by: Monty Cantsin on February 19, 2013, 02:09 am
Never done it.Played basketball on cannabis numerous times and loved it. I hustled a lot more than usual (diving for loose balls,getting rebounds etc.)
Title: Re: Martial Arts on Psychedelic Drugs
Post by: RobertMcLure on March 03, 2013, 09:20 pm
Surfing waves on thc was kinda nice flowy', but slightly clumsy as well in balance .. the energy drop leading to quicker exhaustion though was feelable. ah, how could i miss out on going surfing after the epic acidtrip with the maya-calendars back in mexico ....


for martial arts, the sensibility in your whole perception, the imaginative power and your enhancement as a whole is something that i imagine very very interesting in a brazilian jiu jiutsu battle.

just made a semi appointment with a mma fighter this week, time to swing my ass back to the gym i guess ツ
Title: Re: Martial Arts on Psychedelic Drugs
Post by: zerik on March 03, 2013, 10:01 pm
That actually might be interesting to try once.

Title: Re: Martial Arts on Psychedelic Drugs
Post by: ShadowCrewTheHive on March 03, 2013, 10:19 pm
This reminds me of the type of post a 14 year old would make to try to impress 5th graders.  I am not sure there is a nice way to put it.  Even when Joe Rogan interviews the pros who are open about using psychedelics or marijuana they don't support this before training.  Psychedelics of any kind are not magical fruit from aliens, no matter what Terrance Mckenna tells you.  They are chemicals you put into your body, we know exactly what they are - They are not healthy.  While they are fun as hell, I know they are fun, there are demonstrable adverse effects.  Why not tell us about what a great drunk driver you are? 

What would I know, I guess.  Possibly the OP is Eddie Bravo.  Who now is going to come choke me out after smoking his DMT.  I think if that were the case, I could take him.

Title: Re: Martial Arts on Psychedelic Drugs
Post by: badniff on March 03, 2013, 10:44 pm
This reminds me of the type of post a 14 year old would make to try to impress 5th graders.  I am not sure there is a nice way to put it.  Even when Joe Rogan interviews the pros who are open about using psychedelics or marijuana they don't support this before training.
I don't like Joe Rogan, but I suppose that is beside the point. My experience has been very rewarding when combining MA with psychedelics, and I listen to my own judgement. I would never show up to a dojo drugged, of course. That would be disrespectful.
Psychedelics of any kind are not magical fruit from aliens, no matter what Terrance Mckenna tells you.
I have read McKenna. He says no such thing, and his reasoning around human coevolution with psychedelic species are very interesting. He says, for example, that shrooms boosting visual acuity could have been an optimal hunting drug for early tribes. Giving them the edge over the competitors. My impression of shrooms fit very well together with this hypothesis.
They are chemicals you put into your body, we know exactly what they are - They are not healthy.  While they are fun as hell, I know they are fun, there are demonstrable adverse effects.  Why not tell us about what a great drunk driver you are? 
Please tell me about the demonstrable after effects. As far as I know LSD and Shrooms are safe, with a small risk of HPPD. Cannabis is weakly addictive and has a temporary degrading effect on cognitive abilities.
What would I know, I guess.  Possibly the OP is Eddie Bravo.  Who now is going to come choke me out after smoking his DMT.  I think if that were the case, I could take him.
Vengeance is pointless :) That you disagree and voice that opinion is appreciated. I was expecting more people to. It is certain that I would never recommend fighting while tripping for anyone not experienced in MA.
Title: Re: Martial Arts on Psychedelic Drugs
Post by: ShadowCrewTheHive on March 04, 2013, 08:28 am
Mckenna thinks shrooms came from space. 

As far as LSD relevant to MMA

It impacts cognitive ability(memory) & inhibition.  If you disagree give it to the girl who wouldn't fuck you the month before.  It has never failed me.
Hallucinogen persisting perception disorder (HPPD) / 'Flash Backs' - very weird.
Dehydration
Sleep Deprivation
Timing & Movement

Let's say you have me in a reverse naked choke and your ass is tripping.  Then let's say you accidentally kill me.  That works out well for you.  You get to tell everyone you were on drugs.  Me on the other hand, I am dead.

Check out: LSD Emergency Room.  After trudging through a lot of BS searches and a few hours.  LSD commonly ranks in the top 5-10 reasons 15-25 yr old males go to the ER.  Not because of bad trips so much.  But, slips, trips and falls off cliffs - motor skills.

All of this is bad for the immune system too.  When I tried to troll this thread, and did a horrible job per your reply.  I had in mind: Inhibition, Sleep Deprivation & Mobility (Timing, Sense of Time and movement/motor skills).  It is not a good thing to add to the mix when you are punching people in the face.  Even Ralphie in "A christmas story" never dreamed he would shoot an eye out.
Title: Re: Martial Arts on Psychedelic Drugs
Post by: InigoProxy on March 04, 2013, 08:41 am
I can confirm a similar effect as OP
Title: Re: Martial Arts on Psychedelic Drugs
Post by: Dalendo on March 07, 2013, 12:31 am
Trained with a friend using kendo wooden swords. We were on acid and woke up next day with arms covered in bruises, knuckles split in a few places. Didn't feel  thing while we were sparring though.

With shinai or bokken? Split knuckles sounds serious, though. Hit a friend on the head quite hard when I duelled him on acid. Used bokken and they are solid oak. Thought I killed him first, but he was ok. Had a black pinkie for a couple of weeks. Be careful :D

Yikes. I think I'm going to stick to video games.  ;)
Title: Re: Martial Arts on Psychedelic Drugs
Post by: mclovinfakes on March 07, 2013, 12:43 am
i've noticed that i suck at martial arts when i'm high
Title: Re: Martial Arts on Psychedelic Drugs
Post by: kusurichoudai on March 07, 2013, 05:56 am
I know a guy who has done more than his share of psychedelics....

He seriously believes that he's Bruce Lee. I don't mean that he thinks he's on his level - I mean he seriously believes he *is* Bruce Lee.

The weirdest part is that BL dies *after* this guy was born.....
Title: Re: Martial Arts on Psychedelic Drugs
Post by: NorthWestDirectRep on March 07, 2013, 06:15 am
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Title: Re: Martial Arts on Psychedelic Drugs
Post by: Ephemeral on March 07, 2013, 06:27 am
Reiki, anyone?
Title: Re: Martial Arts on Psychedelic Drugs
Post by: kusurichoudai on March 07, 2013, 06:29 pm
Reiki, anyone?

The guy I spoke of also claims to be a Reiki Master...
Title: Re: Martial Arts on Psychedelic Drugs
Post by: NorthWestDirectRep on March 08, 2013, 02:53 am
Awesome yall !
Title: Re: Martial Arts on Psychedelic Drugs
Post by: badniff on March 08, 2013, 11:25 pm
Mckenna thinks shrooms came from space. 

I'll read more and see how he motivates that :)

It impacts cognitive ability(memory) & inhibition.  If you disagree give it to the girl who wouldn't fuck you the month before.  It has never failed me.
Hallucinogen persisting perception disorder (HPPD) / 'Flash Backs' - very weird.
Dehydration
Sleep Deprivation
Timing & Movement

Let's say you have me in a reverse naked choke and your ass is tripping.  Then let's say you accidentally kill me.  That works out well for you.  You get to tell everyone you were on drugs.  Me on the other hand, I am dead.

You would be dead and I would be sad, I can only imagine how unbearable the guilt would be.
And of course, it is imperative to have good access to water, and hydrate often in smaller amounts.

 
Check out: LSD Emergency Room.  After trudging through a lot of BS searches and a few hours.  LSD commonly ranks in the top 5-10 reasons 15-25 yr old males go to the ER.  Not because of bad trips so much.  But, slips, trips and falls off cliffs - motor skills.

All of this is bad for the immune system too.  When I tried to troll this thread, and did a horrible job per your reply.  I had in mind: Inhibition, Sleep Deprivation & Mobility (Timing, Sense of Time and movement/motor skills).  It is not a good thing to add to the mix when you are punching people in the face.  Even Ralphie in "A christmas story" never dreamed he would shoot an eye out.

It would be far safer to practice Yoga or Tai Chi, but it is not so much about having a great time. The psychedelic state helps to unite the mind and the body, giving you a great opportunity to explore the limits of your skill. It can of course have an adverse effect, therefore i should stress the importance of knowing your body, your drug, your setting and your dosage.

I had a near cliff experience once. I lost all grip on how steep the the rocky hill was, had to compare with pines to approximate how I should adjust my balance. It was actually a bit scary. So I see the risks involved, and this is probably not for anyone. Definitely not for people who never trained martial arts before.

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I know a guy who has done more than his share of psychedelics....

He seriously believes that he's Bruce Lee. I don't mean that he thinks he's on his level - I mean he seriously believes he *is* Bruce Lee.

The weirdest part is that BL dies *after* this guy was born.....

Are you saying the psyches did this to him?