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Discussion => Security => Topic started by: bluemeth on November 16, 2012, 03:16 am
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wheres the best place to stash stuff around the house so that if LE came knocking they wouldnt find it?
iv been doing a lot of thinking on the issue. i like those stash cans, but i feel like LE will have already caught on to them
iv seen a stash pot plant. where its an actual pot plant, but the bottom comes off and it has a stash cavity
apart from that iv thought that hollowing out table legs might be a good idea
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If you have central air, tie whetever you have to a string and put it down a vent. Celing tiles work well, the under side of fish tanks.. The freezer, high kitchen cabinets.. i could go on..
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air vents and in the ceiling seems like the first place theyd look
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Locations depend on you.
If its something you're stashing for a while, consider digging a hole and burying your stash in a glass jar with one of those silica gel bags inside.
I've always subscribed to the school of thought that less hiding spots = less chances of being discovered.
If you have a garage, consider stashing your junk inside a dusty old rubbermaid container thats full of other junk that you KNOW nobody is going to rummage through for another decade or two.
Clean out your old paraphernalia regularly.
Never leave snorting straws/foils/pipes/baggies ANYWHERE. Period.
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Get 100mg of coke and some small samples of other powdered drugs, mix them in a 25L drum of paint and paint your house head to toe, then if the dogs come in they will just go mental, and the po po will think they hit jackpot but will keep finding nothing.
Hiding is harder, stored off site is always best, but if your garage or house is a mess, make it 10 times worse then hide deep in the crap, they dont have the time or resources to search everything and a messy place will make them cut big corners in there search,
been there... :o
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Get 100mg of coke and some small samples of other powdered drugs, mix them in a 25L drum of paint and paint your house head to toe, then if the dogs come in they will just go mental, and the po po will think they hit jackpot but will keep finding nothing.
Hiding is harder, stored off site is always best, but if your garage or house is a mess, make it 10 times worse then hide deep in the crap, they dont have the time or resources to search everything and a messy place will make them cut big corners in there search,
been there... :o
I've heard of a similar train of throught with weed. Toss all your stems, sticks, and if you got it, even bud into a grinder and scatter it throught the yard. Dogs will hit everywhere and anywhere. Solong as your scattered materials is dispursed enough not to be seen, any lawyer worth their weight in pickels will get the jury/judge to see the dogs findings as unreliable.
In theory it sounds good but, i wonder how it would work in reality.
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Well first off the cops won't be knocking on your door unless you consider breaking it down knocking :D. Then they'll detain you and bring in the K9 unit and those bastards can sniff through anything, mason jars, airtight containers, etc. Throwing stems and small amounts of shake around the edges of the room can throw the dogs off or they could just pick up a bigger scent (your stash) and go straight for that. The best way is to simply just not have your stash in your house, but then again you have to ask yourself, why would the cops raid my place?
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i like the idea of scattering weed to throw off the dogs.. or painting the house with coke :P
of course it would be best not to have stuff at your house, but i dont really imagine many vendors would be keeping their stash in a different location
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Don't stash stuff around your house, bury it in the woods.
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Ok not to be an ass. But if you can't stash something in your own house, whats the point of having it?
Now if your saying your looking for stash ideas so your wife or kids don't find it.... now were on to a discussion. BUT
LE has no reason to serve a knock warrant on your door unless your selling.
Bury your stash is kind of silly, unless your not going to need to get high for several weeks.
The AC vent won't work if the dog smells it. Again it all goes back to point number 1, why would LE be serving you?
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They would have reason to raid your house if they received information that you had a quantity that wasn't deemed for personal use - i.e. intent to distribute. Which is generally considered 10g's and above isn't it?
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if you live in an apartment building there are a lot of places you can put stuff... again if it's weed it's hard to not keep it in your place.. if your making enough pay a neighbor for an extra key to just keep your stuff there. High cabinets almost made me fall over.. you will have to do better than that. It's true they don't hit every scare inch inside of a place but until they've found something, and when they are pretty sure you've got something, it's going to be pretty hard to throw them off a big stash of weed. If you live someplace rural outdoors could work out very good right?
There are pretty good no smell bags and containers. If you put it high in something like that and kept the dogs confused(is that possible?) then you might be able to do something inside.
I guess a big question is can you throw dogs off a big stash by just having shake everywhere?
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I like to hide my weed in a mason jar and dig it up.
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Inside of a light blub would be cool, so long as:
It's frosted glass
It's not live - no chance of shock.
Especially if it's in a fixture with a few bulbs, may not notice any are even out.
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I'm tellin' ya I think best would be like if you had fake trim over a doorway or some sort thing like that built into the house and then a compartment lines with smell proof stuff. All this light bulb stuff doesn't make sense if you're talking green. Green needs to be smell proofed. Granted sometimes when they don't find anything they don't call in the dogs either! Why? Don't ask me - I've just heard of it.
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First off, if law enforcement is busting your door in and searching with dogs, they've got a lot more evidence to go on. That being said, there is absolutely no harm in taking extra precautions.
Off site is obviously best, it's hard to find what isn't there. That being said, it's a pain in the ass to walk or drive to your stash every time you want to get high.
I took a walk around my home, and came up with a few ideas.
- take something apart, like an old tv, vcr, and hide things inside - it seems every appliance I look at has massive amounts of space inside - DO NOT do this with anything you plug in, this is a huge safety risk. Cut the power cord inside the appliance so if it is plugged in inadvertently, it will remain dead.
- pull at pieces of trim, some will come off easily, and there are little, sometimes large voids behind them. glue some magnets to the trim and wall to allow for easy repeated access.
- hollow out a book if you have a decent size library you can hide it in
- inside a stash can if you can stash that can in your kitchen.
- pull out drawers from your dresser or wardrobe, there is space behind the drawers you can utilize.
- attic access - lift lid, lift up insulation and tuck things in - be careful, this could be an inhalation hazard
Roll one up and get creative, man! Nobody has the perfect answer, or that's what LE would be looking for.
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Similar to what bedhat said, this looks pretty handy:
http://makeprojects.com/Project/Doortop+Stash/638/1#.UKr9Za7zkgk
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Two things guys...
1. For marijuana : I have heard and have experienced success with 'oven bags' (the kind you cook a chicken in and are really loud crinkly plastic) are the best for sealing in smells, just use at least three and get the ones without little vent holes of course. Use disposable gloves too, new ones out of the packet that have never touched any weed because otherwise you will cross contaminate the outside of the plastic bags if you use your un-gloved fingers. Put the gloves on after placing the weed in the bags (without ever touching the outside of the bags with either your fingers or a surface that has previously had weed on it like a bench top) and tie up the tops of the bags one at a time, not all three together. Melt latex gloves after use in a bottle of mineral spirits AKA mineral turpentine, turpentine substitute, petroleum spirits, solvent naphtha (petroleum) or white spirit or if you got nitrile gloves, use acetone to melt em... if you have vinyl gloves, use acetone or petroleum... just keep a bottle used only for melting gloves and when its saturated take it to your local waste disposal drop off point and pour it right in.
2. For powders : I'm told that Sniffer dogs are not trained to smell drugs. They are trained to smell the residual solvents 'usually' left on the drugs post 'work up' I.E. toluene, acetone etc. I think it is probably true because firstly, most drugs in their pure form are virtually non volatile and therefore actually have no smell. Secondly, it makes sense that the dogs wouldn't be trained to sniff 'actual' drugs because that would be seen as 'cruel' and dangerous for the dogs to continuously sniff drugs everyday while training.
To make your stash solvent free you can either use prolonged gentle drying in an oven or make a vacuum desiccator (best).
Sometimes lazy cooks will produce batches that will be difficult to remove all the solvents from because the solvents may be mixed in amongst other liquids that are not very volatile like left over P2P from the reaction... in such cases and in other similar confounding circumstances consulting Uncle Fester's Books will help as he has a few pages dedicated to problem solving ( via providing detailed clean up methods) poorly 'worked up' gear, I.E. melting crystals, waxy looking crystals etc etc... there is too much info to write it up here.
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Two things guys...
1. For marijuana : I have heard and have experienced success with 'oven bags' (the kind you cook a chicken in and are really loud crinkly plastic) are the best for sealing in smells, just use at least three and get the ones without little vent holes of course. Use disposable gloves too, new ones out of the packet that have never touched any weed because otherwise you will cross contaminate the outside of the plastic bags if you use your un-gloved fingers. Put the gloves on after placing the weed in the bags (without ever touching the outside of the bags with either your fingers or a surface that has previously had weed on it like a bench top) and tie up the tops of the bags one at a time, not all three together. Melt latex gloves after use in a bottle of mineral spirits AKA mineral turpentine, turpentine substitute, petroleum spirits, solvent naphtha (petroleum) or white spirit or if you got nitrile gloves, use acetone to melt em... if you have vinyl gloves, use acetone or petroleum... just keep a bottle used only for melting gloves and when its saturated take it to your local waste disposal drop off point and pour it right in.
I believe that somewhere on the forum is a link to a document 'VacsealRates.pdf" (not sure if i made that filename) titled "The Development of an Optimized System of Narcotic and Explosive Contraband Mimics for Calibration and Training of Biological Detectors" that basically confirms what you say above. I'm pretty sure those bags are mylar, which had the lowest rate of "leakage". A good example is the Mylar balloons you see at the store, you know, the type that say 'HAPPY THANKSGIVING" in the shape of a turkey or someshit. Those are mylar, which is why they can stay inflated for so long, very little seepage through the material, whereas a regular rubber balloon has billions of microscopic holes that leak whatever is inside overtime.
I am a bit confused by melting the gloves. Why melt the gloves? Do you see just tossing the gloves in the garbage as a risk and your thinking that by melting them in mineral spirits it will further eliminate 'Stuff' for dogs to hit on? If you're paranoid, I guess that would be one more step to ensuring a smell free delling.
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I sell many books on SR on how to hide things like this. I highly recommend checking them out.
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Another idea is a PVC cache hidden on your property.
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Posting to subscribe.
Some interesting ideas on here, but honestly we're just tipping off LE. I think it would be best to take some of these ideas and extrapolate on them. :)
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Sometime ago, I stashed away a couple of grams of hash. Now, I can't find it :'( So, it seems obvious, but don't forget where you did stash it. And don't hide shit when you're high....
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Why melt the gloves?
You are correct I see just tossing the gloves in the garbage as a risk.
LEA have been known to go through a suspects trash to find suspicious items to use as probable cause for a warrant.
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Spare fuel tank in the car is a good idea. If you have a modified car with a surge tank, etc use the old tank for stashes.
I heard they will search the premises but not your car...have an old car not registered, and stash in that discreetly.
I prefer to bury it, nice and deep, etc.
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this blows the idea of stashing 'around the house' but, if you're that worried, why not get a storage unit or something along those lines?
Why melt the gloves?
You are correct I see just tossing the gloves in the garbage as a risk.
LEA have been known to go through a suspects trash to find suspicious items to use as probable cause for a warrant.
Agreed. I know that insome places, law gives LEA the right to go through a suspects garbage when put out to the curb. Its my understanding that in the eyes of the law, by putting trash to the curb, your expectation of privacy is gone. I like to bring my rubbish out when I see the truck coming.
In my eyes though, if the Politie are looking through my garbage, they are already on to me, forget the gloves, I've got bigger problems to worry about! ;-)