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Discussion => Newbie discussion => Topic started by: andnot on August 08, 2013, 10:07 pm

Title: Do i get in trouble if my order is taken by customs?
Post by: andnot on August 08, 2013, 10:07 pm
If i order 100g of hash from Spain and the customs discover it. What kind law problems will i get? I live i Denmark.
Title: Re: Do i get in trouble if my order is taken by customs?
Post by: fittesaft on August 08, 2013, 10:12 pm
If you take the right precautions and do the rights procedures, no.
If you manage to have absolutely no proof it was you whom ordered it they will have no case on you.

Do not sign for a package, ever.
Read up on forums for tips and tricks.
Title: Re: Do i get in trouble if my order is taken by customs?
Post by: ic3m4l3 on August 08, 2013, 10:20 pm
in the uk u just get a letter saying sumthings been seized after all u cant control what somebody sends u, could be somebody trying to get u into shit!
Title: Re: Do i get in trouble if my order is taken by customs?
Post by: jescowhite on August 08, 2013, 11:18 pm
Not sure about your country, but in the US, absolutely nothing, unless its massive, but ive never seen it, no way to prove, your enemy could send you drugs to frame you. Ive had ozs of schedule 1 seized at the border, a kilo of synth noids by fed ex and have never heard a damn thing, ive heard of friends getting these little letters sometimes when they get pill seized, but ive never seen one
Title: Re: Do i get in trouble if my order is taken by customs?
Post by: dotgoat on August 08, 2013, 11:47 pm
Not sure about your country, but in the US, absolutely nothing, unless its massive, but ive never seen it, no way to prove, your enemy could send you drugs to frame you. Ive had ozs of schedule 1 seized at the border, a kilo of synth noids by fed ex and have never heard a damn thing, ive heard of friends getting these little letters sometimes when they get pill seized, but ive never seen one

Exactly. Plausible Deniability. There's no way to prove that it was you that indeed ordered it.  I could go "Man, andnot wouldn't give me a BJ, what a jerk!" and assuming I actually knew anything about you I could try to find all the chemicals to make a bomb and send them to your door.  It's similar to why undercover cops sell drugs everything is fine until the transaction is made, sometimes both parties start walking their own separate ways.  At that point it's evident that you paid for and received something illegal.

It may even be possible to get out of signing for a package and cite that you just sign for packages expecting it was something off amazon or ebay.  Although that would actually require someone that's actually a lawyer to talk about.
Title: Re: Do i get in trouble if my order is taken by customs?
Post by: postrex on August 09, 2013, 12:28 am
Exactly. Plausible Deniability. There's no way to prove that it was you that indeed ordered it.  I could go "Man, andnot wouldn't give me a BJ, what a jerk!" and assuming I actually knew anything about you I could try to find all the chemicals to make a bomb and send them to your door.  It's similar to why undercover cops sell drugs everything is fine until the transaction is made, sometimes both parties start walking their own separate ways.  At that point it's evident that you paid for and received something illegal.
+1

It may even be possible to get out of signing for a package and cite that you just sign for packages expecting it was something off amazon or ebay.  Although that would actually require someone that's actually a lawyer to talk about.
No lawyer needed - "The postman asked me to sign for a package.  I couldn't think of anything I was waiting for, but it had my name on it, so I signed like normal." 100% no way to prove knowledge by signing for a package.  TBH, I'd say not signing for a package is a way dumber move - just increases the chances that the package gets returned to sender (which probably won't be able to accept the package), and then opened to reveal the drugs.  So if you refuse to sign, you're just ensuring that they find out what is in the package.  If you sign, well, it was just a random package that needed a signature - I get those regularly and don't think about it twice.
Title: Re: Do i get in trouble if my order is taken by customs?
Post by: jescowhite on August 09, 2013, 12:58 am
^Exactly, i cant count how many times ive seen people sign for roommates packages or ive signed for my grandmas/dads/moms/friends package, or ive woke up tired and just signed for a package cause the mailman said it was for me and my signature was needed, maybe someone sent me a birthday present, ya know, why the fuck wouldnt a normal person not ordering drugs not sign for it?? I sign for every package of research chems i get in the mail and honestly wouldnt be that scared to sign for anything harder. If your package was discovered, customs throws it, way too much wasted time trying to prove unproveable stuff for the reasons i stated. Not signing for a package you expected not to have to sign for is way suspicious, if i was the mailman id be like why is this dude so crazy about signing for a package, definitely something suspicious about this guy, if a dealer forgets to waive the signature on an express, or the usps person at the counter doesnt notice the check mark on the waive signature, it could happen easily, and at least in my case i would never freak out and refuse to sign, thats asking for trouble~
Title: Re: Do i get in trouble if my order is taken by customs?
Post by: andnot on August 09, 2013, 02:26 pm
Thanks for all the replies :). I know that you will not get in trouble in the USA, but Denmark is not as free as America. Here the police can search your house with out a warrent, and throw you in jail without a trial. I just hope the same amount of evidence is needed in Denmark as in America, when it comes to drugs in the mail.
Title: Re: Do i get in trouble if my order is taken by customs?
Post by: Rocknessie on August 09, 2013, 02:35 pm
Remember the recent case of the UK guy caught importing pills... they raided his home and found more pills and powders there.

CLEAN YOUR HOUSE. No drugs, none. No torrents or pirated films. No nothing. You don't want them raiding you over hash and then busting you because you had some coke sitting around.

Roughly 99% of the time you will be fine, the other 1% of the time "this is the first I've heard of it, officer, perhaps some Muslims are trying to get Norwegians into trouble? I don't know..."
Title: Re: Do i get in trouble if my order is taken by customs?
Post by: jibbs on August 09, 2013, 04:40 pm
Just keep a clean house when you have an incoming order and you'll be fine in any jurisdiction that has some semblance of justice.

"I didn't order that, what the hell?"
Title: Re: Do i get in trouble if my order is taken by customs?
Post by: baxton on August 09, 2013, 04:46 pm
Thanks for all the replies :). I know that you will not get in trouble in the USA, but Denmark is not as free as America. Here the police can search your house with out a warrent, and throw you in jail without a trial. I just hope the same amount of evidence is needed in Denmark as in America, when it comes to drugs in the mail.

That's bullshit. I'm from denmark as well and know many things about the justice system here. U can't go to jail without a judge accepting the request from the police/prosecutor and the police can't search your house without a warrant unless they can actually SEE something illegal going on like if they can see through your window you waving a gun. U're probably not that old since you're worried about 100g of hash. That won't even be enough to give u jail or prison time if it's your first time but instead a suspended sentence.

Regarding your question you should deny any connection to the package and say you've never have ordered the package and don't know nothing about it. Everybody could have sent it to your house ...
Title: Re: Do i get in trouble if my order is taken by customs?
Post by: Poobanator on August 09, 2013, 04:58 pm
Anything is possible..

Deny deny deny... And don't get caught with anything.
Title: Re: Do i get in trouble if my order is taken by customs?
Post by: BR1CKF4RE on August 09, 2013, 05:06 pm
Also always stick to your story once you give them one. Dont back down, keep to word and keep it short and sweet.
Title: Re: Do i get in trouble if my order is taken by customs?
Post by: andnot on August 09, 2013, 05:15 pm
Thanks for all the replies :). I know that you will not get in trouble in the USA, but Denmark is not as free as America. Here the police can search your house with out a warrent, and throw you in jail without a trial. I just hope the same amount of evidence is needed in Denmark as in America, when it comes to drugs in the mail.

That's bullshit. I'm from denmark as well and know many things about the justice system here. U can't go to jail without a judge accepting the request from the police/prosecutor and the police can't search your house without a warrant unless they can actually SEE something illegal going on like if they can see through your window you waving a gun. U're probably not that old since you're worried about 100g of hash. That won't even be enough to give u jail or prison time if it's your first time but instead a suspended sentence.

Regarding your question you should deny any connection to the package and say you've never have ordered the package and don't know nothing about it. Everybody could have sent it to your house ...

The police can raid your house without a warrant. Legally they are not allowed to but they can do it, and they do. The problem is that if they find evidence while wrongfully raiding a house, the evidence is not nulled and can be used in a trial, unlike in America. The reason the danish police keep raiding houses without a warrant is that even though they will have to pay you like 5000 kroner in reparations, the collected evidence can still be used in a trial even though they got it through illegal means.

And yes, because of the "anti-terror pakke" you can got to jail without a trial.
Title: Re: Do i get in trouble if my order is taken by customs?
Post by: baxton on August 09, 2013, 06:00 pm

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The police can raid your house without a warrant. Legally they are not allowed to but they can do it, and they do. The problem is that if they find evidence while wrongfully raiding a house, the evidence is not nulled and can be used in a trial, unlike in America. The reason the danish police keep raiding houses without a warrant is that even though they will have to pay you like 5000 kroner in reparations, the collected evidence can still be used in a trial even though they got it through illegal means.

And yes, because of the "anti-terror pakke" you can got to jail without a trial.
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Like i said they can only raid your house without a warrant if they got an indication of crime going on in the house!
http://www.leoniadvokater.dk/kompetencer/straffesager/maa-politiet-ransage-min-bopael.html <-- link :o)

Like i said if they see people go in and out like your selling something or they can see something suspicious going on! Then they can but NORMALLY it requires a warrant. The only thing u got right is that the evidence is not nulled and can be used, but that is because their suspension was true? Common sense. I don't think you can mention many cases if any where the police raids a house searching for drugs but instead ends up with guns. Often they get both, but they ALWAYS find what they came for. Rest is just a + for them!

rofl kid, the "anti terror pakke" can only be used if you're a threat to society/state.  So get your facts right! YOU CAN NEVER GO TO JAIL WITHOUT A TRIAL UNLESS IT'S TERORRISM YOU'RE CHARGED FOR!!! and i can't see what the fuck terroism has to do with drug charges? You're the type of guy who sits reading on the internet all day long without ever knowing how it goes on in the real life . I can even hear u've never been to jail so stop making false statements about the danish justice system. Dude i've experienced a lot and been in & out system many times ;)

Don't worry the police wont put u in jail without a trial because u bought some drugs over the internet :D ^^ I promise u that
Title: Re: Do i get in trouble if my order is taken by customs?
Post by: andnot on August 09, 2013, 06:34 pm
Alright then :)
Title: Re: Do i get in trouble if my order is taken by customs?
Post by: razael on August 09, 2013, 08:55 pm
what about in the u.s , if they intercept my package is there any risk for me?
Title: Re: Do i get in trouble if my order is taken by customs?
Post by: R90 on August 09, 2013, 09:08 pm
There was a similar sort of thread recently - a girl (somewhere in western europe I think) had a package seized by customs and they'd sent a letter to her house telling her she must go an interview about the drugs they'd found. She was freaking out and not sure what to do. I think she went for the interview and invited people to pm her for the outcome. But I think it turned out okay - deny deny deny.

sorry but I've taken too many drugs to remember where that thread was. think it might even have been this section?

Seems to depend where you are. Over the years I've had packages with benzos or little baggies of (pharma) pills opened up by customs and they've just resealed it and sent it on to me. Never understood that. I think I had one seized - they just stuck a letter in the package, resealed it and sent it to me.

What I'd like to know is whether they flag your address thereafter?
Title: Re: Do i get in trouble if my order is taken by customs?
Post by: fittesaft on August 09, 2013, 09:22 pm
Seems to depend where you are. Over the years I've had packages with benzos or little baggies of (pharma) pills opened up by customs and they've just resealed it and sent it on to me. Never understood that. I think I had one seized - they just stuck a letter in the package, resealed it and sent it to me.
Maybe they didn't know if the pills where legal or not and just sent them off to not get any work hassle?
Or they know whats going on and don't mind it.
Title: Re: Do i get in trouble if my order is taken by customs?
Post by: andnot on August 09, 2013, 11:08 pm
There was a similar sort of thread recently - a girl (somewhere in western europe I think) had a package seized by customs and they'd sent a letter to her house telling her she must go an interview about the drugs they'd found. She was freaking out and not sure what to do. I think she went for the interview and invited people to pm her for the outcome. But I think it turned out okay - deny deny deny.

sorry but I've taken too many drugs to remember where that thread was. think it might even have been this section?

Seems to depend where you are. Over the years I've had packages with benzos or little baggies of (pharma) pills opened up by customs and they've just resealed it and sent it on to me. Never understood that. I think I had one seized - they just stuck a letter in the package, resealed it and sent it to me.

What I'd like to know is whether they flag your address thereafter?

Do you remember what kind of drugs it was? And how many grams?
Title: Re: Do i get in trouble if my order is taken by customs?
Post by: jescowhite on August 10, 2013, 02:31 am
Seems to depend where you are. Over the years I've had packages with benzos or little baggies of (pharma) pills opened up by customs and they've just resealed it and sent it on to me. Never understood that. I think I had one seized - they just stuck a letter in the package, resealed it and sent it to me.
Maybe they didn't know if the pills where legal or not and just sent them off to not get any work hassle?
Or they know whats going on and don't mind it.
I always heard you were allowed to import a certain amount of pills of certain pills, like the opiates mixed with tylenol, vicodin, tylenol 3, etc. Ive always heard that your allowed to import up to 30 5/500 vikes without having a scripts, not sure how it works with benzos. But as they are a lower schedule, I think, that may be the reason that you still got your pills, i used to have friends that ordered alot of benzos/tylenol3s, and if I remember right that was the scoop on how it worked, sometimes larger amounts would get seized with a love letter sent, but usually theyd arrive in the bottles directly from a pharm company, they were brown bottles directly from company, not a filled script from a pharmacy, like when you order trammies, those anyone can get overnighted anytime they want, I learned that tramadol can cause withdrawals/seretonin syndrom the hard way because of that~