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Discussion => Silk Road discussion => Topic started by: sppa on December 20, 2012, 09:42 pm

Title: Add 30%-50% weight to your bud
Post by: sppa on December 20, 2012, 09:42 pm
Came across this while having a mooch on SR

http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/item/5288f86529

I don't know how true his claims are about it not containing any harmful chemicals and being undetectable to the seasoned smoker. Reads like a Betterwear advert.
 My first concern was that it was up for sale on SR. We know this kind of thing or even cutting other drugs occurs, but I feel violated now I know it's up there in the market.
 My second concern is that some venders may purchase this to deceive the customers of the road
 My third concern is that I've fulfilled my own prophecy by writing this

Momma always said I'm the sharpest spoon in the draw
Title: Re: Add 30%-50% weight to your bud
Post by: fleetingglimpse on December 20, 2012, 10:02 pm
Your not a spoon man, just a tool :P ;)

But yeah not nice or good :'(

Im just about old enough to remember the days when drugs were mostly about drugs. Now days all they seem to be about is money and profit. Who knows, maybe im just a young/old hippie ;D

Probably should say that not all the above is true of everyone :-*

Peace, love, drugs

fg ;)
Title: Re: Add 30%-50% weight to your bud
Post by: ukmj on December 20, 2012, 11:51 pm
reasons this sounds like a scam:

FE is required

this is the highest priced item the vendor sells

all feedback is likely based of the smaller sales of digital books

poor feedback from anyone who sells on SR would result in threats to sell the vendor out on the forum, thus ruining his rep for good bud, damaging his sales

maybe it isnt but anyone who requires FE does so for one reason in my experience.
Title: Re: Add 30%-50% weight to your bud
Post by: WinterMoon on December 21, 2012, 04:36 am
Great.  Coming soon to a vendor near you:  High dollar, top shelf organic bud to be sprayed with mysterious profit-enhancing solution.  I object!   >:(
Title: Re: Add 30%-50% weight to your bud
Post by: Lucius Luv on December 21, 2012, 05:13 am
Anyone supporting this; deserves to die of lung cancer.
Title: Re: Add 30%-50% weight to your bud
Post by: berry13 on December 21, 2012, 08:32 am
This is the shit I don't like about marijuana. I stopped going to my favorite dispensary cause I swore they were using some shit like this, their buds seemed to lose a lot of quality and every strain was very similar both in look, smell and density. It's gross!
Title: Re: Add 30%-50% weight to your bud
Post by: thecrackhead on December 21, 2012, 04:17 pm
Please get run by a bus.
Title: Re: Add 30%-50% weight to your bud
Post by: kvalitetsbevisst on December 21, 2012, 05:09 pm

-1 to the OP? Isn't he making us aware of the item and expressing he is against it?

LOL I wonder what the hell he thought OP wrote.

But over to the real topic at matter here, I really think SR should strike down on such listings. I know this is supposed to be a free market, but here you have a vendor selling something that is obviously intended to scam weed customers (which SR does have a lot of). In the long run, allowing cut chemicals to be sold on SR will result in lower quality crap being sold on the site, which in turn will have a negative effect on the entire community.

Drugs should never be cut or fucked with in any way. Vendor should receive a warning and be instructed to remove this listing IMO.
Title: Re: Add 30%-50% weight to your bud
Post by: Aurelius Venport on December 21, 2012, 05:15 pm
cutting is part of the game and it's good for harm reduction sometimes if done properly.
I am not always for it but i accept it.
Title: Re: Add 30%-50% weight to your bud
Post by: OnePotMama on December 21, 2012, 05:21 pm
@kvalitetsbevisst - Thnx for quoting me. Went to modify my post and accidentally hit remove. The reason I don't like this product is because it pushes the same agenda the government does - telling me what I can do with my body. If I can't detect this shit, and obviously the dealer isn't telling me? That's bullshit. I can't wait to start growing for personal use.
Title: Re: Add 30%-50% weight to your bud
Post by: kvalitetsbevisst on December 21, 2012, 05:27 pm
but in this instance we have a vendor selling a 'magic liquid' which contents are not described.
all we know is that some crap is sprayed on bud which makes it weigh more.

sounds harmful to health and its obviously not a benefit to the weed being processed.

that is if this shit is even real, I agree that it sounds like a scam
Title: Re: Add 30%-50% weight to your bud
Post by: sppa on December 21, 2012, 05:49 pm
Well it looks like the 'report this item' button has arrived at the perfect time.
I'll be clicking that beauty more often than the f5 button :)

I was hoping some one out there has some knowledge on this disgusting practice. Such as the kind of chemicals used or if there is any way of testing for it?
Still, best practice is always stick with who you know and trust, and read the reviews.
Title: Re: Add 30%-50% weight to your bud
Post by: Aurelius Venport on December 21, 2012, 05:52 pm
like I said, I didn't look at the ad (at the time SR was down) but if people wanna cut or spray let em do it. It's part of the game. The ones who deliver superior product will get all the business. I don't do coke anymore but when I did I bought from the minority of people that didn't stomp on their shit. I cut my M1 and molly sometimes for ...shock....harm reduction....before I sell it because you guys may ore load and post load etc but the streets don't. So I would cut magnesium etc into my MDMA or M1 to help customers with clenching. I would also add Vit B to help with energy metabolism and heart health and also Potassium which helps your body absorb things better. Cutting is not always a bad deal and it's very important to fight overdoses. When I sold people pure coke there would always be some idiot that would do too much to fast and end up sick. Same goes for molly. I sold a chick pure MDMA and she ate 3 capsules and had a fuckin near seizure. I don't lie to them I tell them it's cut and what it's cut with if asked. I also adjust my prices down a bit which helps because people feel like they're getting a better deal. Most people don't do this though and I am def aware how cutting can be bad in other cases. In regard to the MJ, like I said before if people wanna buy bunk ass weed let em. It falls on the buyer! Legit vendors / dealers generally won't do this and won't become profitable doing it either. Just go to people you trust. If someone wants to sell this shit more power to em.
Title: Re: Add 30%-50% weight to your bud
Post by: Jopular on December 21, 2012, 08:13 pm
Cuts in selected cases are acceptable such as vitamins along with mdma or an inert bulking agent to make a pill the right shape and size.

But with weed there is NO Excuse! It is just sick and any idiot who does this is just making the weed worth less money.

Quality is always degraded and the damage done to health always goes up. Any sod who fucks with bud deserves to get cancer because that is what he thinks of his customer.
Title: Re: Add 30%-50% weight to your bud
Post by: cloudmoon01 on December 21, 2012, 08:28 pm
Cuts in selected cases are acceptable such as vitamins along with mdma or an inert bulking agent to make a pill the right shape and size.

But with weed there is NO Excuse! It is just sick and any idiot who does this is just making the weed worth less money.

Quality is always degraded and the damage done to health always goes up. Any sod who fucks with bud deserves to get cancer because that is what he thinks of his customer.
I agree with everything you say, this is exactly why I came to SR, to get away from dealers 'Bulking' up weed deals, i'd say weed is the one drug that shouldn't and isn't needed to be cut with anything
Title: Re: Add 30%-50% weight to your bud
Post by: BayAreaBudz on December 21, 2012, 08:56 pm
Ya who the fuck cuts weed. That is the saddest thing I have ever heard. When I imagine weed dealers trying to make more money off their product, I think of leaving stems and leaves on the buds or selling the buds when they still are a little wet. Not using some magical spray.

And the vendor makes some ridiculous claims. The spray has not THC in it but it will increase the buds potency. Sounds like some bs to me.

Bud should be grown organic and kept that way. If growers are willing to use this spray, I cant imagine what products they used during their grow cycle.  :(
Title: Re: Add 30%-50% weight to your bud
Post by: Jopular on December 21, 2012, 09:14 pm
Good bud is heavy with resin, selling damp is bad enough when your 3g £20 bag dries out to 2.2g but this is preferable to smoking sugar.
Grit weed is also really bad but I have only seen this around my way for a brief phase, everyone avoids it.
Decent homegrown sells for £180 to  £250 an ounce (28grams). Factory (grown in converted houses by illegal immigrants) weed sells for £160 to £180 per oz.

Sprayed weed should only sell for £80 to £100 per 28g but dealers will buy it for £160 to knock out in £20 bags which he will only be able to sell if there is a drought on and people have no alternative.

Still what you make in weight you lose in quality and get a bad reputation for selling low quality stuff at high prices. Dealers will avoid buying this to sell unless there is no alternative. These days every Tom, Dick and Harry is growing high quality strains as a hobby and selling what is left. There IS an alternative to polluted buds and soap bar more than ever nowadays and so there is less polluted smoke on the market.
The silkroad should be better quality than the street.

These bulking agents are a rip off anyway, all they contain is sugar dissolved in water!

Too much P when growing to try and force bud weight can also cause some pretty nasty weed to smoke.

And does anybody remember that phase of superbud stuff giberilan or something iirc. Pretty dubious hormonal shit which caused the bud to be less than perfect and so not worth £10 a gram.
Title: Re: Add 30%-50% weight to your bud
Post by: ukmj on December 21, 2012, 10:06 pm
cutting is part of the game and it's good for harm reduction sometimes if done properly.
I am not always for it but i accept it.

not in the weed game it aint.

 as a grower i take pride in what i produce, i sell what i smoke myself, i would never want to smoke this so I assume my clients would not want to either.

there is no way this can be good for harm reduction with weed and i would dispute it with any drug. if i have uncut coke i take less coke to acheive the same effect as i would with cut coke. i take less coke it is better for me, i take less adulternats it is better for me. cutting is never acceptable.
Title: Re: Add 30%-50% weight to your bud
Post by: WinterMoon on December 22, 2012, 01:14 am
Ya who the fuck cuts weed. That is the saddest thing I have ever heard. When I imagine weed dealers trying to make more money off their product, I think of leaving stems and leaves on the buds or selling the buds when they still are a little wet. Not using some magical spray.

And the vendor makes some ridiculous claims. The spray has not THC in it but it will increase the buds potency. Sounds like some bs to me.

Bud should be grown organic and kept that way. If growers are willing to use this spray, I cant imagine what products they used during their grow cycle.  :(

^ this
Title: Re: Add 30%-50% weight to your bud
Post by: fredflintstone on December 22, 2012, 01:24 am
Its a polymer spray that adds density. Its pathetic
Title: Re: Add 30%-50% weight to your bud
Post by: WinterMoon on December 22, 2012, 01:49 am
Its a polymer spray that adds density. Its pathetic

A polymer spray??  This really is "pathetic" - good word  >:(



Title: Re: Add 30%-50% weight to your bud
Post by: fredflintstone on December 22, 2012, 01:57 am
Yeah there is a couple unsavoury "smoke shops" ( owned by foreigners that cant speak a lick of english ) that sell this shit.

Its an invisble polymer that coats the weed.

Sick.
Title: Re: Add 30%-50% weight to your bud
Post by: GreenGiant on December 22, 2012, 01:58 am
Makes me a very sad panda to see such things listed on SR............. contaminating the fine green herb is just uncool................ GreenGiant not feeling so jolly..........
Title: Re: Add 30%-50% weight to your bud
Post by: danknugsdun on December 22, 2012, 02:00 am
It's bad but not as bad as having the weed sandblasted or glass fiber coated.
Title: Re: Add 30%-50% weight to your bud
Post by: BayAreaBudz on December 22, 2012, 06:26 am
Now that is some really fucked up shit!!

I have heard that is what they do in k2 spice. I would never smoke that shit.
Title: Re: Add 30%-50% weight to your bud
Post by: Jopular on December 22, 2012, 10:47 am

like I said, internet nerds, myself ncluded, are more likely to prac. harm reduc.

ave dumbass on the streets is chasing a high.

It's very important to cut coke to protect people from themselves!!! once you start selling it as high grade though, then you have lost the ethics. but cutting mdma etc with hard reduction materials and fillings out caps saves people from themselves and believe me they still get faded!

With uncut coke the price is higher, people will not believe it is pure and will still only be willing to pay £40 for a gram.
So cutting may be the only way to get it to that price point and make sales. This is the fault of both uneducated users and dealers who cannot be trusted not to bash the coke. £100 is too much to lose if that 'pure' turns out to be 'not so pure'.

The same thing happened with slate turning to soap bar. People  will not pay more than £40 per ounce for hash. So the importers cut to such a point that it will sell at this price and turn a profit too.
Result = no proper hash and every one starts looking for skunk.
Title: Re: Add 30%-50% weight to your bud
Post by: omnibionta-be on December 22, 2012, 05:03 pm
Have about 20 years experience with cannabis, hasj and oil and this shit started somewhere late nineties, the harder the dutch government became of large scale growers, the more of this crap, one would see.   Lot's of good willing organic growers gave up, because of this hunt on growers.  If you are in some high level multi-crime syndicate, you have other intentions that people growing, harvesting and drying it as it should.  Those syndicates want one thing:  cash and do whatever to make more out of less.

Products used for this:

-Water with dissolved sugar
-Water with dissolved glue (tapestry)
-Lead powder
-Glass powder
-Several scent and taste additives (linalool - citronellol - germaniol - clove oil - ... shit they use in the tobacco industry)

And the worst, add chemical cannabinoids to the mix (JWH-xxx/AM-xxx) because they first shake/extract the harvest (for hasj or for iso-iol) and they add above items.

Nice example what harm is done (instead of harm reduction) when a product a cannabis is illegal.

Best advice if you suspect something:  put in under microscope and you can see the crap or shake some up with 96% alcohol, you should have a nice green color.  If you see particles falling down, or weird things floating then somebody put crap in it.

Then throw it out, don't smoke it, don't sell, kill it!

I will also report every listing on SR with this shit.

OB


Title: Re: Add 30%-50% weight to your bud
Post by: sppa on December 22, 2012, 06:43 pm
Have about 20 years experience with cannabis, hasj and oil and this shit started somewhere late nineties, the harder the dutch government became of large scale growers, the more of this crap, one would see.   Lot's of good willing organic growers gave up, because of this hunt on growers.  If you are in some high level multi-crime syndicate, you have other intentions that people growing, harvesting and drying it as it should.  Those syndicates want one thing:  cash and do whatever to make more out of less.

Products used for this:

-Water with dissolved sugar
-Water with dissolved glue (tapestry)
-Lead powder
-Glass powder
-Several scent and taste additives (linalool - citronellol - germaniol - clove oil - ... shit they use in the tobacco industry)

And the worst, add chemical cannabinoids to the mix (JWH-xxx/AM-xxx) because they first shake/extract the harvest (for hasj or for iso-iol) and they add above items.

Nice example what harm is done (instead of harm reduction) when a product a cannabis is illegal.

Best advice if you suspect something:  put in under microscope and you can see the crap or shake some up with 96% alcohol, you should have a nice green color.  If you see particles falling down, or weird things floating then somebody put crap in it.

Then throw it out, don't smoke it, don't sell, kill it!

I will also report every listing on SR with this shit.

OB
^  Thank You
Title: Re: Add 30%-50% weight to your bud
Post by: kvalitetsbevisst on January 05, 2013, 12:33 am
Have about 20 years experience with cannabis, hasj and oil and this shit started somewhere late nineties, the harder the dutch government became of large scale growers, the more of this crap, one would see.   Lot's of good willing organic growers gave up, because of this hunt on growers.  If you are in some high level multi-crime syndicate, you have other intentions that people growing, harvesting and drying it as it should.  Those syndicates want one thing:  cash and do whatever to make more out of less.

Products used for this:

-Water with dissolved sugar
-Water with dissolved glue (tapestry)
-Lead powder
-Glass powder
-Several scent and taste additives (linalool - citronellol - germaniol - clove oil - ... shit they use in the tobacco industry)

And the worst, add chemical cannabinoids to the mix (JWH-xxx/AM-xxx) because they first shake/extract the harvest (for hasj or for iso-iol) and they add above items.

Nice example what harm is done (instead of harm reduction) when a product a cannabis is illegal.

Best advice if you suspect something:  put in under microscope and you can see the crap or shake some up with 96% alcohol, you should have a nice green color.  If you see particles falling down, or weird things floating then somebody put crap in it.

Then throw it out, don't smoke it, don't sell, kill it!

I will also report every listing on SR with this shit.

OB


Best post I've read so far on these forums.

THANKS!
Title: Re: Add 30%-50% weight to your bud
Post by: sourman on January 05, 2013, 12:53 am
Fuck this grit/BRIX weed garbage and anyone that uses it. It may work in the EU, but I'd think most of the US weed snobs (wink wink) would recognize this shit if someone is dumb enough to sell it domestically.
Title: Re: Add 30%-50% weight to your bud
Post by: edar on January 05, 2013, 01:01 am
the usual dutch contaminated shite , ask every vendor if their weed is sprayed  esp  eu vendors
Title: Re: Add 30%-50% weight to your bud
Post by: Jopular on January 05, 2013, 01:15 am
Yeah does not seem to make sense.
Why waste time ruining perfectly good bud.
It cannot even add that much weight surely?
Title: Re: Add 30%-50% weight to your bud
Post by: edar on January 05, 2013, 01:25 am
Yeah does not seem to make sense.
Why waste time ruining perfectly good bud.
It cannot even add that much weight surely?
at least 25% , if you do the maths thats 1 kilo for every 4    = $$$$
Title: Re: Add 30%-50% weight to your bud
Post by: kvalitetsbevisst on January 05, 2013, 01:35 am
^^

but i cant for the life of me understand that spraying perfectly fine bud with some disgusting liquid won't ruin the potency?

I've just heard rumors of this method being used in amsterdam, but I've never known anything about the product used though.

either way, I can easily get a hold of better and more potent bud where I live than what I got a hold of the last time in the netherlands so it obvious that they're doing something to maximize profit.. unfortunately that affects quality at the same time .. which is a ridicilous trade IMO
Title: Re: Add 30%-50% weight to your bud
Post by: reeki789 on January 05, 2013, 02:38 am
When i was in rehab as a teenager i found out about all the random chemicals added to marijuana to make it heavier and more "profitable". I still smoke weed but thinking about the shit i've heard is put in to add weight makes me want to not smoke.

I heard things about oil, gas, liquid rubber, mr clean, and other kinds of random shit.

This spray is definitely a random chemical bottle and probably contains some gas or oil, yes it makes more $$, but it also get's people sick. Marijuana is already full of harmful pesticides i don't need anymore cancer causing shit chemicals in my herb. GO ORGANIC

M39 i heard is a man made strain made by asian gangs in Canada, and mixes hemp with the weed because hemp is denser and weighs more. It tastes like shit and gives you a bad high like you would if you smoked something that was 15-30% hemp or leaves from a tree. If my weed smells like chemicals and gives me headaches i throw it out now and don't talk to the dealer again.





 
Title: Re: Add 30%-50% weight to your bud
Post by: kvalitetsbevisst on January 05, 2013, 03:00 am
just learned about this when this thread was created. makes me happy i have first hand knowledge about my weed sources