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Title: (i never tried heroin) Heroin could give seizures?
Post by: thirdeye333 on August 31, 2013, 11:52 am
this is my situation: i can't use cocaine (especially combined with alcohol) because everytime I do that the morning after when i woke up I have some seizures (convulsions,epilepsy-like): i tried cocaine 4 times IN TOTAL and happened all the times. So i will not try cocaine anymore.

As for other substances: i took xtc pills 4-5 times and the day after i had seizures half of the times(2,3 times).

Anyway normally i don't have seizures but if i don't sleep enough, sometimes COULD happen that i have seizures: this happens generally 1 time every 10-12 months (even without using any drug), so is quite rare anyway.  BUT with drugs like cocaine i have seizures ALL THE TIMES.
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So my questions is: trying heroin (low dose: 0.1gr), snorted, could give me seizures ?
or not ?
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Title: Re: (i never tried heroin) Heroin could give seizures?
Post by: n0nc3s on August 31, 2013, 01:11 pm
If even lack of sleep can give you seizures then you'd probably be better off talking to a neurologist than an anonymous message board.

That said, there are a number of readily available drugs that have been used to combat seizures.  The most obvious (and the least nasty) are the benzos - particularly Klonopin.   Some readily available (on SR) antipsychotics are also used to treat certain kinds of seizure disorders.  Some have also had luck with marijuana, of course, but care should be taken when selecting particular strains.

Stimulants (i.e. cocaine) are more likely to cause seizures but it's not outside the realm that introducing a shock to the system like the first few lines of H might also set you off.  Honestly I'd be leery of almost any chemical until a competent neuro has done a workup on you.
Title: Re: (i never tried heroin) Heroin could give seizures?
Post by: malk on August 31, 2013, 02:17 pm
Sounds like youre destined to not take drugs...maybe thats a good thing??

I used to get fits from vals withdrawl,horrible it was, waking up,wondering WTF just happend.

Good luck,and the only way to know,is to do isuppose,dont think i would!!
(dont start on the gear anyway,its a very bad drug to come off,itll be changing you for the worst mate),not preaching,just saying.
Title: Re: (i never tried heroin) Heroin could give seizures?
Post by: thirdeye333 on September 01, 2013, 03:27 am
@malk: Not destined to "not take drugs" but to not take some kinds of drugs.
Nothing ever happened with Marijuana and Mushrooms and i took them many many times: so i guess the problem is not "drugs" (that means everything and nothing) but WHAT KIND of drugs.
As for Heroin: it has a very "interesting" stigma and I can understand it but what i don't understand is that I'm just saying that I want to try it for understanding what it really is, and not just take second hand information.

@n0nc3s: the fact that lack of sleep could give me seizures (epilepsy-like fits) doesn't mean that everytime that I have lack of sleep i get seizures: I have this kind of fits something like 1 TIME PER YEAR and I have lack of sleep at least 150 times per year, so is kinda of rare, very occasional that i have a fit. And i have these kind of fits generally the first minutes that I wake up, when I'm in the bed.
Do you think i never been to a neurologist ? I have been OF COURSE. He gave me Valproic acid: but is kind of stupid to take this medication for something that happens ONCE per year (are much more the side effects, that the benefits), so I stopped it.
my question was just: SEEN MY SITUATION (and what happen to me with xtc and cocaine) COULD HEROIN GIVE SEIZURES (convulsions) AS  WELL ?

p.s. Heroin is really not what i look for in drugs: i'm the type of person that like ganja, mushrooms and LSD :-P  ;) ;)
Title: Re: (i never tried heroin) Heroin could give seizures?
Post by: d0z3r on September 01, 2013, 06:30 am


p.s. Heroin is really not what i look for in drugs: i'm the type of person that like ganja, mushrooms and LSD :-P  ;) ;)

I highly doubt anyone here can give a better answer than a guess. Heroin might not be your type of drug right now, it doesnt take much before it could be the only drug you look for. In my opinion if you have never done it dont start now. Opiates are the devil. Stick to the pyschs.
Title: Re: (i never tried heroin) Heroin could give seizures?
Post by: MXCOOP on September 01, 2013, 07:17 am
i just wanted to add to the mention of benzos-be very careful taking them. if you take them for a while and stop suddenly-or even run low in your body, they are notorious for CAUSING seizures. i used to have a wicked xanax habit150-300 a week-and when i just ran low -had grand mal seizures.
Title: Re: (i never tried heroin) Heroin could give seizures?
Post by: thirdeye333 on September 01, 2013, 08:41 am
@d0z3r: thanks...but i didn't want advises about if trying it or not.


my only questions is:(seen my situation) trying heroin (low dose: 0.1gr), snorted, could give me seizures ?
or not ?  ;) ;)

cheers....
Title: Re: (i never tried heroin) Heroin could give seizures?
Post by: dirtybiscuitzz718 on September 01, 2013, 08:47 am
I cant help with your seizure problem, but i can say this for sure. If youve never used heroin .1=100mg, is way too much to start with. Be safe please.
Title: Re: (i never tried heroin) Heroin could give seizures?
Post by: sinaloacartel on September 01, 2013, 08:58 am
inionbro i would not recomend u doing heroin if u be getting seizures just chill thats my opinion
Title: Re: (i never tried heroin) Heroin could give seizures?
Post by: thirdeye333 on September 01, 2013, 09:10 am
@dirtybiscuitzz718:
“If you've never used heroin .1=100mg, is way too much to start with.”

thanks :)
with how much should I start then ?

(i don't want to start anything anyway, just buy 0.1 on Silk Road and try it)

Other question: H nr. 3 is good for snorting ?
Title: Re: (i never tried heroin) Heroin could give seizures?
Post by: beatthebounds on September 01, 2013, 11:39 am
this is my situation: i can't use cocaine (especially combined with alcohol) because everytime I do that the morning after when i woke up I have some seizures (convulsions,epilepsy-like): i tried cocaine 4 times IN TOTAL and happened all the times. So i will not try cocaine anymore.

As for other substances: i took xtc pills 4-5 times and the day after i had seizures half of the times(2,3 times).

Anyway normally i don't have seizures but if i don't sleep enough, sometimes COULD happen that i have seizures: this happens generally 1 time every 10-12 months (even without using any drug), so is quite rare anyway.  BUT with drugs like cocaine i have seizures ALL THE TIMES.
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So my questions is: trying heroin (low dose: 0.1gr), snorted, could give me seizures ?
or not ?

thirdeye333 you are getting into the wrong drugs man! You should be trying magic mushrooms, LSD and Salvia divinorum if you want to get out of your head and maybe zap the cause of those seizures


thirdeye333 you are into the wrong drugs man! what you should try are things like magic mushrooms, LSD, and Salvia divinorum
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Title: Re: (i never tried heroin) Heroin could give seizures?
Post by: bobhope333 on September 01, 2013, 11:54 am
I strongly recommend you to put your question to DoctorX in his thread on harm prevention and providing the answers to peoples questions such as your own. He is a genuine doctor (as he's only here to help, he provides a link to his IRL webpage), he's Spanish, though fully fluent in English, specializing in issues relating to drug users. He seems to be generally approving towards recreational drug use and really is a credit to SR. No, I don't have shares in his company, lol, but I'm really impressed with his approach on here! This is the link to his thread:
"http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=147607.570"
Title: Re: (i never tried heroin) Heroin could give seizures?
Post by: thirdeye333 on September 01, 2013, 12:32 pm
...thanks everyone for the replies! :)

“If you've never used heroin .1=100mg, is way too much to start with.”

thanks :)
with how much should I start then ?

(i don't want to start anything anyway, just buy 0.1 on Silk Road and try it)

Other question: H nr. 3 is good for snorting ?
Title: Re: (i never tried heroin) Heroin could give seizures?
Post by: dirtybiscuitzz718 on September 01, 2013, 02:03 pm
#4 is for snorting. #3 is for smoking. Start with a bump no larger than the size of a match head. Its only a few mg's.
Title: Re: (i never tried heroin) Heroin could give seizures?
Post by: ds on September 01, 2013, 02:13 pm
#4 is for snorting. #3 is for smoking. Start with a bump no larger than the size of a match head. Its only a few mg's.

Is that right? I'm sure I've seen some heroin on SR advertised as "good for snorting OR smoking".

thirdeye333, don't let me tell you what to do with your own body but if I were in your shoes, I maybe wouldn't fuck around with drugs too much. Sounds like you're gambling with your health. "Drug-induced seizure" looks tacky as fuck on an obituary.
Title: Re: (i never tried heroin) Heroin could give seizures?
Post by: dirtybiscuitzz718 on September 01, 2013, 07:55 pm
#4 is for snorting. #3 is for smoking. Start with a bump no larger than the size of a match head. Its only a few mg's.

Is that right? I'm sure I've seen some heroin on SR advertised as "good for snorting OR smoking".

#4 heroin can only be smoked if it is altered slightly, by adding a bit of caffeine powder i believe. I only snort #4. So my knowledge is limited.
Title: Re: (i never tried heroin) Heroin could give seizures?
Post by: chicagomix on September 01, 2013, 08:37 pm
I could preach all day about the shittiness of opiates - I'm a recovering opiate addict and unfortunately, I will always struggle with this fact. Started with hydros as an "adventurous, try-anything" 17yr old girl and it, slowly but surely, spun out of control. I'm 24 now and just weaned myself off methadone (was a slave to the window for a year) -- I'm damn proud of the fact that I'm finally clean of all opiates, especially considering methadone withdrawals are the fucking worst. Ever. So - I'll quit it with the sob story, but you sound like I used to... "I just want to try it for myself! I want to try everything!" ... just understand this: If you start fucking with opiates, they WILL fuck you right back.

As for the chance of seizures, I wouldn't risk it. I know of a few people with epilepsy who had episodes while using heroin, oxy, etc. I've only been there to actually witness the seizures twice and they definitely didn't look like a good time. My advice? Stick to weed and psychedelics. However, it doesn't look like you want to actually heed any of the advice in this thread. ;) Good luck, man.
Title: Re: (i never tried heroin) Heroin could give seizures?
Post by: thirdeye333 on September 02, 2013, 11:41 am
right ...i don't need advices :)
and i'm not 17 :)
And i don't have epilepsy....or at least the neurologist told me so.
To have convulsions from time to time(like once per year) and be affected from epilepsy are 2 very different things.
Anyway I asked to that DoctorX advised by bobhope333 and, if anyone is interested, this is his answer:
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Most stimulants (cocaine, amphetamine and amph derivatives) and alcohol lower the seizure threshold in people prone to seizures. Benzos and some strains of cannabis (rich in CBD) are the safest drugs in this sense. Some opioids (fentanyl, meperidine, pentazocine, propoxyphene...) are more risky but seizures are not a typical problem of morphine and heroin. They are possible, but not very common.
By the way...if have not tried intranasal heroin and you don´t have tolerance, please consider that "0.1 grams" is a very high dosage. You should start by 5-10 mg.
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Title: Re: (i never tried heroin) Heroin could give seizures?
Post by: n0nc3s on September 02, 2013, 01:49 pm
@n0nc3s: the fact that lack of sleep could give me seizures (epilepsy-like fits) doesn't mean that everytime that I have lack of sleep i get seizures: I have this kind of fits something like 1 TIME PER YEAR and I have lack of sleep at least 150 times per year, so is kinda of rare, very occasional that i have a fit. And i have these kind of fits generally the first minutes that I wake up, when I'm in the bed.
Do you think i never been to a neurologist ? I have been OF COURSE. He gave me Valproic acid: but is kind of stupid to take this medication for something that happens ONCE per year (are much more the side effects, that the benefits), so I stopped it.
my question was just: SEEN MY SITUATION (and what happen to me with xtc and cocaine) COULD HEROIN GIVE SEIZURES (convulsions) AS  WELL ?

p.s. Heroin is really not what i look for in drugs: i'm the type of person that like ganja, mushrooms and LSD :-P  ;) ;)

Any kind of frequency of seizures from lack of sleep falls outside the realm of normal and the fact that your neurologist felt that a scrip for Depakote suggests that he is probably of a similar opinion.  You can choose to disregard his opinion (...or any of ours, for that matter) but the basic point is that you are more prone to seizures than most folks out there.  Are opiates somewhat less likely to cause seizures than stimulants?  As a general statement, sure.  Can (and do) opiates cause seizures in some?  Yes - and you are, unfortunately, in the group of folks who would be more likely to suffer such an event. 

Do prescription pain killers (-standard- doeses of hydro- or oxy- codone formulations) cause you issues?  It's not an absolute indicator but it could at least point out if you have any major latent sensitivity.  In general, though, I think you pretty much have your answer.
Title: Re: (i never tried heroin) Heroin could give seizures?
Post by: TheDirtyMexican on September 02, 2013, 02:48 pm
Epilipppticfccc seizures are often caused from extreme lows and highs and you gonna try heroin and ask what?

dude you gonna die...

be safe and avoid heroin.

i am serious you are dead with that combination.
Title: Re: (i never tried heroin) Heroin could give seizures?
Post by: thirdeye333 on September 03, 2013, 12:41 am
did u read the reply by doctorX few posts before ?
Title: Re: (i never tried heroin) Heroin could give seizures?
Post by: cryngie on September 03, 2013, 02:15 am
Ive been using H for 10+ yrs and never had a seizure due to use have had seizures not related to using though, benzos are very prone to induce seizures in withdraws as is alcohol but never have i seen or read anything relating to opiates 
Title: Re: (i never tried heroin) Heroin could give seizures?
Post by: Euphoria4907 on September 03, 2013, 02:50 am
I don't believe heroin itself is particular for causing seizures. Other opiates will certainly lower the seizure threshold. I would take extra caution because seizures are a known result of opiate withdrawls!
I would avoid using drugs in general if I were you.. haha
Title: Re: (i never tried heroin) Heroin could give seizures?
Post by: cryngie on September 03, 2013, 03:04 am
OH and dont start at .1g unless you want to od
Title: Re: (i never tried heroin) Heroin could give seizures?
Post by: bobhope333 on September 03, 2013, 08:01 am
I don't believe heroin itself is particular for causing seizures. Other opiates will certainly lower the seizure threshold. I would take extra caution because seizures are a known result of opiate withdrawls!
I would avoid using drugs in general if I were you.. haha
I would tend to refute that statement, both through experience and research, I have gone through dozens of withdrawals, over the years, and have never experienced seizures, never seen/never heard about anybody else having them. I have also read a lot about heroin addiction, and seizures have never been mentioned.
Benzo's and alcohol are the drugs associated with seizures through withdrawal- that is what makes detox from these class of drugs dangerous and life-threatening. Detox from heroin, however, is never life-threatening- just damned unpleasant. That's why, if you are sent down, you are thrown a couple of paracetamol and told to do your rattle! Actually, nowadays, due to the Court of Human Rights getting involved, prisons now have to issue methadone, I believe, but that is nothing to do with saving lives (well... unless it stops somebody from hanging themselves because they can't do their rattle).
Title: Re: (i never tried heroin) Heroin could give seizures?
Post by: thirdeye333 on September 03, 2013, 02:15 pm
OH and dont start at .1g unless you want to od

with how much should i begin ?
Title: Re: (i never tried heroin) Heroin could give seizures?
Post by: TheDirtyMexican on September 03, 2013, 04:31 pm
you guys are retarded...

if he does you wont hear from him having a seizure...


there is no heroin and epileptic seizure feedback from dead people.

epppollipssysy and seizures are extremezzzz are related.

bad advice = death
Title: Re: (i never tried heroin) Heroin could give seizures?
Post by: Weaponstech on September 03, 2013, 05:24 pm
http://blackpoppymag.wordpress.com/the-a-z-of-overdose/drug-induced-seizures/
this might help
Title: Re: (i never tried heroin) Heroin could give seizures?
Post by: calicojak on September 03, 2013, 05:52 pm
You say the seizures occur when you first wake up? Im interested in this. Do you mind describing your seizure, if possible?

If you buy a .1 of H then I would dump it all out make sure you chop it up good if its rocked or pebbles. (You really should get a mg scale but if you don't have one) Then try and make 10 equal piles and then take each pile and split that in half. That is what you should start with. Wait 20-30 min to get an idea of the effects before attempting to go at it again. Please be safe!
Again you really need a scale.
Title: Re: (i never tried heroin) Heroin could give seizures?
Post by: raz0r209 on September 03, 2013, 09:15 pm
One word, Doctor.
Title: Re: (i never tried heroin) Heroin could give seizures?
Post by: thirdeye333 on September 04, 2013, 11:26 am
You say the seizures occur when you first wake up? Im interested in this. Do you mind describing your seizure, if possible?

100% of the seizures that I had happened after 5 or 10 minutes after I woke up, when I was still lying in the bed.
The first time that happened was about 10 year ago, and from that time happens about one time every 10 or 12 months (but happened that also 24 months passed without seizures): I'm talking of the seizures induced from "lack of sleep" or "bad sleep".

As for the seizures induced by drugs: i took cocaine 4 times and ALL the for times I had seizures.
I took xtc pill+alcohol 4-5 times and 2-3 times  I had seizures.
I guess that in the xtc pill there was a lot of shitty amphetamine too...
I wonder if I can still have seizures having pure MDMA(not mixed with amphetamine or other shit) and without drinking alcohol...

For both kind of seizures(lack of sleep or drug) it happened after 5-10 minutes that i woke up, when I was still in the bed. Never happened that I had seizures when I already got up or in any case never happened when i was awake for more than 10 minutes....
Title: Re: (i never tried heroin) Heroin could give seizures?
Post by: bigbangbudtheory on September 04, 2013, 11:53 am
I think stimulants would be more prone to inducing seizures than opioid drugs ........ but i aint a doctor
Title: Re: (i never tried heroin) Heroin could give seizures?
Post by: carbolic on September 04, 2013, 03:51 pm
Will heroin cause seizures in me and most other people here? No.
Will it cause YOU seizures? Pretty much guaranteed.

But you don't care, right? You just want some kind of approval to do it - so just do it then.

Then you'll have heroin AND seizures!! No downside there, right?

Consider this - maybe getting a seizure will be minor compared to when you may eventually have a stroke from purposefully inducing seizures- then you'll have a loss of speech, be partially paralyzed and have trouble walking. But trying heroin is worth it, right?  Enjoy your heroin, and good luck!!

Title: Re: (i never tried heroin) Heroin could give seizures?
Post by: thirdeye333 on September 05, 2013, 12:37 am
Will heroin cause seizures in me and most other people here? No.
Will it cause YOU seizures? Pretty much guaranteed.

i would just like a scientific, rational opinion and not one opinion based on your feelings...
Title: Re: (i never tried heroin) Heroin could give seizures?
Post by: carbolic on September 05, 2013, 02:57 pm
You have a history of seizures and want to try heroin.

Where does the word "rational" enter this discussion?
Title: Re: (i never tried heroin) Heroin could give seizures?
Post by: thirdeye333 on September 06, 2013, 12:33 pm
I have an history of seizures (petit mal) means that i have seizures maybe 1 time per year but i never had seizures smoking weeds or using LSD, mushrooms, mescaline.....
Wanted to know what happens with heroin.
what's not rational about that ???
Title: Re: (i never tried heroin) Heroin could give seizures?
Post by: thirdeye333 on September 06, 2013, 12:36 pm
I have an history of seizures (petit mal) means that i have seizures maybe 1 time per year but i never had seizures smoking weeds or using LSD, mushrooms, mescaline.....
Wanted to know what happens with heroin.
what's not rational about that ? ? ?
Title: Re: (i never tried heroin) Heroin could give seizures?
Post by: moronkater on September 06, 2013, 04:38 pm
Let me please just say one thing: if you have never tried H, keep it that way. Please be very warned about this sneaky pest of a drug. It should be strictly kept to the treatment of terminally sick people.
Title: Re: (i never tried heroin) Heroin could give seizures?
Post by: phresh on September 06, 2013, 04:47 pm
wow
Title: Re: (i never tried heroin) Heroin could give seizures?
Post by: thirdeye333 on September 15, 2013, 12:16 pm
OH yeah i know..heroin is the evil and even if i try it just one time all my life will be ruined for years...or forever....
what a preciuos advise.
i asked just if it could give seizures (convulsions).
cheers
Title: Re: (i never tried heroin) Heroin could give seizures?
Post by: Mitragyna on September 15, 2013, 12:26 pm
Maybe u  should start wit klonopin or Lyrica, lyrica can however cause seizures if u take too much before building a tolerance. But once u created ur deference it's a quite good medicine against seizure.
But don't expect to quit it easily. The withdrawals have been compared with both opiates and benzo. Not a very nnice substance when it comes to those things.. Would personally prefer gabapentin, but not sure how effective that is against convulsions and seizures. (?)
Title: Re: (i never tried heroin) Heroin could give seizures?
Post by: thirdeye333 on September 17, 2013, 12:23 pm
I told you...generally I have seizures like one time every 12 months if not taking anything like cocain or XTC (that i guess most of the time is mixed with shitty amphetamine).
So as i have seizures one time every 12 months i'm not gonna take Lyrica or any other benzo EVERY DAY .....

i wanted just to know if heroin, in my case, could give seizures.
but i guess that i already got my answer :)

thanks everyone...