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Discussion => Off topic => Topic started by: outoftime20 on August 29, 2012, 04:28 pm
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I've been thinking about it and even though I used to be completely against joining the military, I recently thought that being a military medic would really help me grow in life and I probably wouldnt have to hurt anyone innocent. What do you think? It solves so many problems like paying for college, and in my case better luck with women. They like a guy in uniform, right?
Have any of you been in the military? Do you think this will actually help with women?
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Age and maturity will help with women. Not just your age and maturity, but the age and maturity of the women you are chasing.
I had terrible luck with women until I turned 30. At that age, women are looking more at the big picture (family, friendship, etc.) than just coolness factor, looks, etc. Can any women verify?
I was not in the military, although I do have enormous respect for vets and active military. I think joining the military will help you grow and give you a future. My 2 cents.
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I've not been in the military, but my family goes back generations in service.
I was always pressured to join, but I chose not to because I grew up moving from place to place and didn't want to anymore. I'm tired of boxes, even 20 years later.
The military will help you a lot in life though, it gives you discipline and respect for yourself. The confidence you will gain will be the number one thing that will get you women. Women love confidence. My last move I made living with my parents I conducted a social experiment. I decided to act like the assholes from my previous town who were always getting some... lo and behold, it was that easy. I didn't have to be a complete asshole to get with chicks, but my "confidence" changed everything. I could even say stupid things like, "Hey baby. I think you're pretty hot, you should come with me to my place. I'm going to be there, and I think we could have a pretty good time." Worst pick up line ever, and she jumped on that like white on rice. I used a kind of swagger, and eye winking thing too. Totally cheesy.
Another time I danced with a chick, and I was like "____ is your boyfriend? Whew! You should dump him and go out with me." like her boyfriend was a leper or something. She did it, right after the song we were dancing to.
It worked on my wife too. ;)
The other thing the military will give you, is cash and some of the best benefits packages of any employer.
Only down side is you'll have to chill on the drugs until you're in for awhile.
I say, do it.
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Military was a great place when I was 18 but these days I wouldn't go near that shit. It's just not the same anymore. Especially with political views these days.
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Fuck joining the military! The last thing anyone needs is another depressed teenager in a foreign country with a gun.
You just need some confidence MB, you're a lot smarter than you probably realize.
College is a good idea, but don't feel like you need to go right away. I know many people who wish they waited a year, myself included. I went into college during a bad phase in life, and was too strung out freshman year to get any value out it.
My suggestion, assuming you've graduated high school, would be to move out (find a cheap sublet on craigslist) and work for a year. Doesn't have to be a great job, just something that pays the bills. Use this time to get your life sorted out, figure out what you want to study, and save up a little money. You will be very inspired to do well in college after a year of the daily grind. Might need to take out some loans, and that sucks, but in-state tuition isn't usually too bad.
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I highly suggest joining the military of the nation which you currently reside. If you do join just be sure to stay on your P's and Q's and you will be fine. Do not consume illegal drugs or other substances banned my the military.
You will develop and grow at an exponential rate while in the military if you take their teachings and make something of it. You will gain more discipline than you could ever imagine having. You will develop great leadership abilities when you are put in a leadership position, which will happen even for those that are the lowest rank. You will become responsible beyond any degree that you could imagine. You will learn to plan and prioritize. You will make many life long friends and connections while making many more life long enemies.
I would highly recommend it to everyone. You may not think that you could maintain the state of mind that one has in the military, but once you finish your initial training you will be able to do it and it will not be that bad! Also, you will have to come to grips with such things, such as fighting wars that you don't believe in... but when it comes time to fight that war you will recognize that you are fighting for no one other than the men and women next to you. You will not fight for any political ideas. You will not fight to further an agenda. God forbid, when the bullets start flying... you wont even fight for yourself... you will only fight for your brethren... and they will only fight for you... and it will be good.
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Also, you will have to come to grips with such things, such as fighting wars that you don't believe in... but when it comes time to fight that war you will recognize that you are fighting for no one other than the men and women next to you. You will not fight for any political ideas. You will not fight to further an agenda. God forbid, when the bullets start flying... you wont even fight for yourself... you will only fight for your brethren... and they will only fight for you... and it will be good.
Your reasoning is highly suspect.
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I've been thinking about it and even though I used to be completely against joining the military, I recently thought that being a military medic would really help me grow in life and I probably wouldnt have to hurt anyone innocent. What do you think? It solves so many problems like paying for college, and in my case better luck with women. They like a guy in uniform, right?
Have any of you been in the military? Do you think this will actually help with women?
U.S. Army veteran 5 years active duty talking here. Let me set a few things straight and then you can decide what to do, remember it is your life your decision. First recruiters LIE so do not buy a word of what they say they get paid to put fresh bodies into the services. Second medics are COMBAT medics they carry weapons and are trained to fight in fact all soldiers are soldiers first and whatever job skill second. Third honestly truthfully yeah some chicks dig a uniform but what will draw them to you will be your new found confidence you will no longer be a weak Milquetoast lukewarm type of guy you will be a minister of war praying for death. Some advice get a copy of the film Full Metal Jacket The Boot Camp scenes are dead accurate if you think you can hack that kind of abuse and come to love it as well as understand the purpose of it you will be a fine soldier. If you need any specific questions answered feel free to shoot me a P.M. I am a hell of a nice guy. One other thing to remember and any veteran can verify this you may do your stint and leave to the civilian world at the end of your contract and even though you will be out of the Army the Army will never be out of you at least not completely..No mission too difficult no sacrifice too great, duty first!
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dont do it man, fight your own war, life is survival enough!
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I've been thinking about it and even though I used to be completely against joining the military, I recently thought that being a military medic would really help me grow in life and I probably wouldnt have to hurt anyone innocent. What do you think? It solves so many problems like paying for college, and in my case better luck with women. They like a guy in uniform, right?
Have any of you been in the military? Do you think this will actually help with women?
U.S. Army veteran 5 years active duty talking here. Let me set a few things straight and then you can decide what to do, remember it is your life your decision. First recruiters LIE so do not buy a word of what they say they get paid to put fresh bodies into the services. Second medics are COMBAT medics they carry weapons and are trained to fight in fact all soldiers are soldiers first and whatever job skill second. Third honestly truthfully yeah some chicks dig a uniform but what will draw them to you will be your new found confidence you will no longer be a weak Milquetoast lukewarm type of guy you will be a minister of war praying for death. Some advice get a copy of the film Full Metal Jacket The Boot Camp scenes are dead accurate if you think you can hack that kind of abuse and come to love it as well as understand the purpose of it you will be a fine soldier. If you need any specific questions answered feel free to shoot me a P.M. I am a hell of a nice guy. One other thing to remember and any veteran can verify this you may do your stint and leave to the civilian world at the end of your contract and even though you will be out of the Army the Army will never be out of you at least not completely..No mission too difficult no sacrifice too great, duty first!
The boot camp scenes looks rough. So basically youll just be treated like a piece of shit?
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I would not say that exactly I looked at it as a game. More or less the idea is to break you down then build you back up to a point higher than where you started and only the first 2 weeks o boot camp are they that harsh they let up of course by then you are basicly used to it before you are done you come to enjoy it. I know that sounds nuts but its true.
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Joining the military may be one of many solutions to your problem.
If women is the main issue though, I'd focus more on money.
And a long military career is not generally conducive to that aim.
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I spent 7years in the army
worst fucking mistake i EVER made, took me YEARS to deprogram all the bullshit they fed me,
To this day i still compulsively fold my clothes into a pile before i get into bed, trust me its a real passion killer
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I spent 7years in the army
worst fucking mistake i EVER made, took me YEARS to deprogram all the bullshit they fed me,
To this day i still compulsively fold my clothes into a pile before i get into bed, trust me its a real passion killer
Did you know what you were getting into? What was it like?
Is the navy easier than the army?
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Joining the military may be one of many solutions to your problem.
If women is the main issue though, I'd focus more on money.
And a long military career is not generally conducive to that aim.
Haha! TheBusiness speaks the truth about money. I said above that women became easier when I turned 30 and I chalked that up to maturity on the part of both sexes. However, by the time I was 30, I had a good, steady job, was making decent money and had a home and a car. Perhaps it's this stability that was attractive (I wasn't making enough to say it was the money!!!).
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Are you fucking nuts?
The Military Industrial Complex is just looking to make money and you are nothing but a pawn.
You will be sent to Afghanistan where there is a good chance of being seriously injured or dying.
If you don't get physically injured, mentally you will be fucked.
This is from a guy who has friends who were Marines in the Iraq Invasion.
Marines who have done multiple tours in Afghanistan.
These poor guys came back completely shell shocked and unable to socialize in any setting.
Don't even think about getting a woman when you are fucking crazy because you had to kill a child in self-defense or were ordered to shoot into a crowd of people.
Try carrying around the weight of knowing how many people you murdered.
Also, knowing that those murders had nothing to do with freedom.
You will feel like the devil and think you are worthless and that no woman would want to love a man who has killed another human being.
Moreover, this ain't about freeing the Afghans from the Taliban but about HEROIN production and putting a stranglehold around Iran.
You will learn this quickly after you spend a tour in Afghanistan with a specific goal of ridding a town of the Taliban only to learn when you get home that the mission has been abandoned and the Taliban now controls the town again.
Talk about a kill to the balls. You spend 8 months kicking the Taliban out, losing your best friends in the process and it was for fucking nothing.
Also, the U.S. government isn't even calling the shots.
Its the Military Industrial Complex.
So the next war will have the same motives, none of which are benign or justifiable.
The people giving advice either have no idea about International Relations or joined the Military during the 80's and 90's.
And sorry, those veterans aren't even veterans. They are just pussies in a uniform who never saw a battle.
It is different today buddy. Hope you like the idea of bullets flying past your head.
DO NOT JOIN THE MILITARY.
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Good luck with this decision - just make sure you listen to what your heart tells you because this is a volatile question and you will/have receive very different responses.
Here's what I can say - if I could have I would have joined the Marines, and EVERY single one of my friends or just people I knew that did join the military (17 total) are all 100% better off than those that didn't - with the exception of those that went to college and did well.
Basically, if you're not going to go to college and do something with yourself, I recommend joining the military. Otherwise you will spend your 20's going from shit job to shit job, or you might get into a good factory - and in that case you are just as much of a drone as somebody in the military. You might not have been down to these choices 15-30 years ago, but now with the job market being the way it is you most definitely need a career, and being in the military, even if you don't make it a career, will open up other possibilities.
As far as being programmed, well, I know folks that had no problem letting that bullshit slide right through them - especially after they were off active duty. Some, however, are really prone to latching on to the behavior programming, and do things like ''fold my clothes before I get into bed every night''. It just depends on you, and how smart you are, and also how much of an individual you are. Some people hold onto it for longer, and others don't - it just depends.
I hope this helped,
ECO
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Oh, and as far as the guy above me and his comment -
All of my friends joined in the 2000s - and they are all still far better off today than those that didn't - except, like I said, the friends that went to college and did well.
ECO
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Are you fucking nuts?
The Military Industrial Complex is just looking to make money and you are nothing but a pawn.
You will be sent to Afghanistan where there is a good chance of being seriously injured or dying.
If you don't get physically injured, mentally you will be fucked.
This is from a guy who has friends who were Marines in the Iraq Invasion.
Marines who have done multiple tours in Afghanistan.
These poor guys came back completely shell shocked and unable to socialize in any setting.
Don't even think about getting a woman when you are fucking crazy because you had to kill a child in self-defense or were ordered to shoot into a crowd of people.
Try carrying around the weight of knowing how many people you murdered.
Also, knowing that those murders had nothing to do with freedom.
You will feel like the devil and think you are worthless and that no woman would want to love a man who has killed another human being.
Moreover, this ain't about freeing the Afghans from the Taliban but about HEROIN production and putting a stranglehold around Iran.
You will learn this quickly after you spend a tour in Afghanistan with a specific goal of ridding a town of the Taliban only to learn when you get home that the mission has been abandoned and the Taliban now controls the town again.
Talk about a kill to the balls. You spend 8 months kicking the Taliban out, losing your best friends in the process and it was for fucking nothing.
Also, the U.S. government isn't even calling the shots.
Its the Military Industrial Complex.
So the next war will have the same motives, none of which are benign or justifiable.
The people giving advice either have no idea about International Relations or joined the Military during the 80's and 90's.
And sorry, those veterans aren't even veterans. They are just pussies in a uniform who never saw a battle.
It is different today buddy. Hope you like the idea of bullets flying past your head.
DO NOT JOIN THE MILITARY.
Now look at the difference between myself and this guy, I am not even going to argue any of his points because I see no value in it. He says DO NOT JOIN. I say remember it is your life your decision you do what you think is best and never let anyone make decisions for you. I know that this sounds strange as if you do decide to enlist then a lot of decisions will be made for you remember though you knew when you went in what you where in for and you agreed to do it so in a way it is your decision. I enjoyed myself I got to go to Korea and live there for a year. I went to several other places in the U.S. I served during the first gulf war or Desert Nam part one. did not deploy. You may never deploy or you may deploy often or deploy once then never again even if you deploy you may be in the rear with the gear and never hear a shot fired in anger let alone see combat or you could be on the front line shooting and scooting. There is no benefit in worrying about what will be for what will be will be. As for what my fine friend here said, well people have been saying that since the Vietnam conflict heck even before. Men like me, men that serve we serve so that men like him do not have to, so he can say whatever he likes without fear of government prosecution.
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Here's some saying from a Nobel peace prize winner, Henry Kissinger: "Soldiers are dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy"
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As for what my fine friend here said, well people have been saying that since the Vietnam conflict heck even before. Men like me, men that serve we serve so that men like him do not have to, so he can say whatever he likes without fear of government prosecution.
Oh yeah we're all so much safer cause you went and killed all those gooks for us, thanks bro!
The days of the noble war, if that concept ever existed (WWII being the example everyone cites), are long over in the US. War is about MONEY. Who cares about how much 'discipline' and confidence being in the military gives you? YOUR JOB INVOLVES KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE AND ADVANCING THE INTERESTS OF THE ULTRA-RICH IN THE MILITARY-INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX.
BTW moonbear, smart people know that soldiers are dumb as bricks. Don't expect me to hire you if I see military 'service' on your resume.
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the fact the same money men finance both sides in every war pretty much sums it up all wars are for making money and stealing tax money through bullshit security and oil and drugs
i could do more than the supposed million terrorists trying to attack us ,theres been how many in usa in the last month if they were iranian u would of invaded them
and the kissinger quote sums up what all the war financers/ghov leaders think of soldiers fukin classic that they think there heroes when there paymasters see them as idiots
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Hi there.
It IS of course your decision on what you do choose, but allow me to give advice on what i know.
A friend of mine was in the army for a long time, albiet an "old" friend. He ended up serving with the det and doing some seriously dodgy stuff in Northern Ireland.
Even now after ten years or so outside the army he still has nightmares about it. He regrets things he did, and when he first left he lost his wife and was drinking heavily. He went on a strong course of anti-depressants and this helped somewhat.
This is a guy who actually wanted to do his part for his country and it royally fucked him over.
He knows fellow soldiers who, when they left the army at the same time, got dumped on and ended up either homeless, on heroin or both.
I actually wanted to join the army a few years back. Life got shit and i needed something with career prospects.
He showed me a picture of a carpel spider, i think it was called, and its the size of your fucking hand.
Just be warned, if you join the army, they WILL send you to shit places with bugs and fuck knows what diseases.
The training will NOT be everything you dreamed, it wont turn you into Jason Bourne.
From what one of the previous posters stated, life is survival enough.
I agree with him totally. Get through this shit. It is more to be a man and true to your own nature, accept who and what you are, without running away from your problems.
It sounds like im having a go at you. But im not. I have just learned from my past experiences, and mistakes, and learned how to walk around with my head held high.
But with whatever you decide, good luck and i wish you all the best.
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As for what my fine friend here said, well people have been saying that since the Vietnam conflict heck even before. Men like me, men that serve we serve so that men like him do not have to, so he can say whatever he likes without fear of government prosecution.
Oh yeah we're all so much safer cause you went and killed all those gooks for us, thanks bro!
The days of the noble war, if that concept ever existed (WWII being the example everyone cites), are long over in the US. War is about MONEY. Who cares about how much 'discipline' and confidence being in the military gives you? YOUR JOB INVOLVES KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE AND ADVANCING THE INTERESTS OF THE ULTRA-RICH IN THE MILITARY-INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX.
BTW moonbear, smart people know that soldiers are dumb as bricks. Don't expect me to hire you if I see military 'service' on your resume.
What I did when I enlisted I did for ME no one else. My job did not involve any of that I worked disaster relief for a while then I did drug interdiction task force for a while, and in Korea I mostly drank booze fucked local women and drove a desk from 9 to five during the week. I have met the true hard core and I was glad to not be one of them. Saying all solders are dumb is in itself a dumb statement sure there are some dumb soldiers but saying they all are is equivalent to saying all drug users are addicts and all addicts are untrustworthy human vermin. It is just not true. I mean I get it you were not able to serve for whatever reason maybe you had mental or physical disqualifications or maybe you were just too chicken but for fucks sake please do not disrespect those of us who did because I can tell you not one single soldier ever singed up to serve the so called military industrial complex not one. These men that chose to serve decided to do so for their own reasons as did I.
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Yup, its all about MONEY.
As a soldier, sure you get to learn discipline and hard-work.
But your #1 Job is to kill brown people for the Military Industrial Complex to get rich.
This has absolutely nothing to do about FREEDOM.
I love my friends who are Marines and Soldiers. And I have a lot of them.
3 of my buddies died in Afghanistan for fucking nothing. No lie. That is why I have a strong opinion. Just got back from a funeral in March.
The Marines who did come back confided in me and told me its all bullshit.
Their missions were not what they signed up for. They believed they were bring a democracy to Iraq. They believed they were hunting Osama. They believed they were going to exterminate the Taliban as quickly and efficiently as possible.
Guess what? It was all a fucking lie and the blood is on their hands. Poor fucking souls.
I reassure those guys everytime the subject comes up that they did nothing wrong. To have no guilt, to not feel worthless.
But that don't help.
Look at the god damn SUICIDE RATES.
And ecopaktm telling you that his friends are better off, FUCK NO.
They might have a nice blue-collar job, but let me tell you, they are mentally scarred.
Anyone who has served in Iraq or Afghanistan has come home a completely different person.
Usually introverted until they get completely wasted and turn violent or extremely emotional telling them how guilty they feel for kicking Iraqi families out of their homes to search for weapons that did not exist. For being ordered to fire the .50 CAL into a crowd of people.
For seeing their brothers explode or bleed to death in an effort to take control of a mountain town that would be used as a strategic foothold against the Taliban only to learn that when they got back home that town was left by the Marines only to be have control taken back by the Taliban.
In other words, their best fucking friends DIED FOR NOTHING.
As I said, do not join unless you want to listen to tpebop who is a Gulf War Veteran who never saw combat and is supporting the actions of the United States government who sees him as a criminal.
Hey tpebop, hate to shatter your reality but your service in the first Gulf War didn't do shit for my free speech and the U.S. Government will lock you up in a second if they found out you were buying drugs on this site. God damn is your position ironic.
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As for what my fine friend here said, well people have been saying that since the Vietnam conflict heck even before. Men like me, men that serve we serve so that men like him do not have to, so he can say whatever he likes without fear of government prosecution.
Oh yeah we're all so much safer cause you went and killed all those gooks for us, thanks bro!
The days of the noble war, if that concept ever existed (WWII being the example everyone cites), are long over in the US. War is about MONEY. Who cares about how much 'discipline' and confidence being in the military gives you? YOUR JOB INVOLVES KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE AND ADVANCING THE INTERESTS OF THE ULTRA-RICH IN THE MILITARY-INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX.
BTW moonbear, smart people know that soldiers are dumb as bricks. Don't expect me to hire you if I see military 'service' on your resume.
What I did when I enlisted I did for ME no one else. My job did not involve any of that I worked disaster relief for a while then I did drug interdiction task force for a while, and in Korea I mostly drank booze fucked local women and drove a desk from 9 to five during the week. I have met the true hard core and I was glad to not be one of them. Saying all solders are dumb is in itself a dumb statement sure there are some dumb soldiers but saying they all are is equivalent to saying all drug users are addicts and all addicts are untrustworthy human vermin. It is just not true. I mean I get it you were not able to serve for whatever reason maybe you had mental or physical disqualifications or maybe you were just too chicken but for fucks sake please do not disrespect those of us who did because I can tell you not one single soldier ever singed up to serve the so called military industrial complex not one. These men that chose to serve decided to do so for their own reasons as did I.
Thank you Tpebop for your service and perspective. I am impressed that you didn't buy into his flame war. You are clearly thoughtful and intelligent.
Soldier deserve respect for person and respect for the job from all civilians. The real and potential sacrifice is too great.
+1 to Tpebop for your service and thoughtful response. You are one cool cat!
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As for what my fine friend here said, well people have been saying that since the Vietnam conflict heck even before. Men like me, men that serve we serve so that men like him do not have to, so he can say whatever he likes without fear of government prosecution.
Oh yeah we're all so much safer cause you went and killed all those gooks for us, thanks bro!
The days of the noble war, if that concept ever existed (WWII being the example everyone cites), are long over in the US. War is about MONEY. Who cares about how much 'discipline' and confidence being in the military gives you? YOUR JOB INVOLVES KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE AND ADVANCING THE INTERESTS OF THE ULTRA-RICH IN THE MILITARY-INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX.
BTW moonbear, smart people know that soldiers are dumb as bricks. Don't expect me to hire you if I see military 'service' on your resume.
What I did when I enlisted I did for ME no one else. My job did not involve any of that I worked disaster relief for a while then I did drug interdiction task force for a while, and in Korea I mostly drank booze fucked local women and drove a desk from 9 to five during the week. I have met the true hard core and I was glad to not be one of them. Saying all solders are dumb is in itself a dumb statement sure there are some dumb soldiers but saying they all are is equivalent to saying all drug users are addicts and all addicts are untrustworthy human vermin. It is just not true. I mean I get it you were not able to serve for whatever reason maybe you had mental or physical disqualifications or maybe you were just too chicken but for fucks sake please do not disrespect those of us who did because I can tell you not one single soldier ever singed up to serve the so called military industrial complex not one. These men that chose to serve decided to do so for their own reasons as did I.
Thank you Tpebop for your service and perspective. I am impressed that you didn't buy into his flame war. You are clearly thoughtful and intelligent.
Soldier deserve respect for person and respect for the job from all civilians. The real and potential sacrifice is too great.
+1 to Tpebop for your service and thoughtful response. You are one cool cat!
Thats what you call not buying into a flame war??!! Fuck me whats your idea of a flame war? - "it wasnt me, it was you?!"
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Oh and BraveNewWorld, thought id plus 1 to adjust your karma a bit mate:))
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Oh and BraveNewWorld, thought id plus 1 to adjust your karma a bit mate:))
Thanks brother, I hit you up already.
Your post was right on point.
This kid has got to see the big picture before he makes a terrible mistake.
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It just seemed that there was potential to bash each other personally - and that didn't happen. Kalos was flaming - surely you can see that. These are some strong opinions and Tpebop kept it about him and his decision.
Brave New World has excellent points, especially the one about getting locked up for buying drugs on SR. Oh, and the suicide rate. I respect his opinion too.
Perhaps I am out of my league with commenting. I know people who have joined, former and currently active (don't we all). I have respect for them. The ones I know have their shit together. They have jobs. They have a future. If I were out of options, I would consider the military (although maybe not after seeing these posts). I can admit that my perspective may be skewed because I don't know any dead soldiers.
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I can tell you not one single soldier ever singed up to serve the so called military industrial complex not one. These men that chose to serve decided to do so for their own reasons as did I.
You are fucking dense. I take back what I said earlier, not all soldiers are dumb, only the ones who never come to see the error of their ways (you). I can see how an 18 yr old kid with few options in life could get suckered into the military, given that they recruit aggressively in high schools and that they are pretty skilled propaganda artists.
Nothing physical or mental kept me from the military, I just wasn't a total fuck-up in high school and therefore had other options available to me.
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It just seemed that there was potential to bash each other personally - and that didn't happen. Kalos was flaming - surely you can see that. These are some strong opinions and Tpebop kept it about him and his decision.
Ha, reread his post. He claimed that I must not have joined the military because either A) I'm physically deficient, B) I'm mentally deficient, or C) because I'm a pussy.
Not saying I didn't provoke it, but still...
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I can tell you not one single soldier ever singed up to serve the so called military industrial complex not one. These men that chose to serve decided to do so for their own reasons as did I.
You are fucking dense. I take back what I said earlier, not all soldiers are dumb, only the ones who never come to see the error of their ways (you). I can see how an 18 yr old kid with few options in life could get suckered into the military, given that they recruit aggressively in high schools and that they are pretty skilled propaganda artists.
Nothing physical or mental kept me from the military, I just wasn't a total fuck-up in high school and therefore had other options available to me.
Yup, that is why they get the KIDS.
Sign them up when they are 18 before they even know what the Military Industrial Complex is.
tpebop, I ask you this one question:
Do you think the Military Industrial Complex is real?
If your answer is no then you are either dumb or in denial.
I am sorry but that is the truth.
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Thanks Kalos, I did reread and you are right!!! My apologies!!!
This has been one of the most enlightening threads I've read in a long while - maybe ever. Clearly my perspective was extremely limited. I am glad to have seen all of these opinions.
Often when you have differing strong opinions, the truth lies somewhere in the middle. However, with the military, this seems to be untrue. Is it possible that there is no middle ground? You either see action and have the potential to be fucked in the head for life (or dead) OR you don't see action and you learn skills and leadership and become more employable?
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My brother tried to join the military and was rejected for a reason I don't remember. My mother cried to the recruiter (?) and he told my mom, "One day you will thank me that your son can't join the military'.
I believe in karma too much and prefer to live a humble life with positivity and action. By action I mean, if there's a problem I will not sit around and cry. I might hurt for a bit but action needs to be taken. Admit you have a drug problem, get your shit together, and STEP IT UP. You can be "successful" without the military.
By the way, my brother is doing fine.
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As I said, do not join unless you want to listen to this bad ass tpebop who is a Gulf War Veteran who never saw combat and is supporting the actions of the United States government who sees him as a criminal.
Hey tpebop, hate to shatter your reality but your service in the first Gulf War didn't do shit for my free speech and the U.S. Government will lock you up in a second if they found out you were buying drugs on this site. God damn is your position ironic.
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I never considered myself a bad ass but thanks, I think. I like how you who never served yourself is going to "shatter my reality" I am only sharing my own personal experience and my own opinions. Another thing man I am well over 40 years old so I have some life experience. As for the U.S. Government I do not know nor did I then support the actions of the federal government. I do not support the current administration and its war activities. I do however support the men and women tasked to fight these illegal wars. I get the feeling that you subscribe to some far left ideology and some of what I say goes against that ideology so you assume I must be some far right wing go go war nut I am not. I am a registered libertarian an do not buy into the false left right bull shit. The people behind all the crap you site are the same ones keeping the false left right bs going they need us to fight each other so we will be too busy to fight them. As for Irony, yes I am a silk road user but at one time I worked drug interdiction task force. Keeping drugs out of the country out of the hands of people like me. What I did then was my job and there was no more wrong with that then there is with what I am doing now. I wish you the best man believe it or not I am on the same side as you we just do not agree %
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I would not say that exactly I looked at it as a game. More or less the idea is to break you down then build you back up to a point higher than where you started and only the first 2 weeks o boot camp are they that harsh they let up of course by then you are basicly used to it before you are done you come to enjoy it. I know that sounds nuts but its true.
exactly, treat it as a head game, don't buck the system, remember it is just a head game, basic that is. Things are a bit different then when i was in now. Just keep in mind the current statistics are that for every fatality there are 6 amputees of at least one limb,
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As I said, do not join unless you want to listen to this bad ass tpebop who is a Gulf War Veteran who never saw combat and is supporting the actions of the United States government who sees him as a criminal.
Hey tpebop, hate to shatter your reality but your service in the first Gulf War didn't do shit for my free speech and the U.S. Government will lock you up in a second if they found out you were buying drugs on this site. God damn is your position ironic.
I never considered myself a bad ass but thanks, I think. I like how you who never served yourself is going to "shatter my reality" I am only sharing my own personal experience and my own opinions. Another thing man I am well over 40 years old so I have some life experience. As for the U.S. Government I do not know nor did I then support the actions of the federal government. I do not support the current administration and its war activities. I do however support the men and women tasked to fight these illegal wars. I get the feeling that you subscribe to some far left ideology and some of what I say goes against that ideology so you assume I must be some far right wing go go war nut I am not. I am a registered libertarian an do not buy into the false left right bull shit. The people behind all the crap you site are the same ones keeping the false left right bs going they need us to fight each other so we will be too busy to fight them. As for Irony, yes I am a silk road user but at one time I worked drug interdiction task force. Keeping drugs out of the country out of the hands of people like me. What I did then was my job and there was no more wrong with that then there is with what I am doing now. I wish you the best man believe it or not I am on the same side as you we just do not agree %
So if I am a human trafficker, is that ok because it's my job? I'm guessing you mostly associate morality with legality, and since war is violence that is state-sanctioned, you have no problem with it.
Related discussions have happened on this site, like the "is buying heroin/coke immoral?" threads. I agree it's a fine line, the teller at a bank for instance should not be prosecuted because the bank defrauded people. But soldiers on the other hand play a very crucial role in the atrocities of war; I would exempt them on the basis that they're most often kids forced into it by economic circumstance, but still, it's not something to be proud of.
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You assume a great deal and for what its worth that's just like your opinion man.
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I never said anything about Left or Right, Liberal or Conservative, Republican or Democrat.
I simply said that these wars are immoral and the only motive is profit.
Since WWII every war has been unjust so why the hell would somebody join the military?
Usually because they are young, dumb and poor.
Ain't no rich kids signing up. Nobody going to see a Senator's son in the army let alone the CEO of Boeing's kid.
This is all boils down to the fact that the United States Government no longer even determines who we are going to bomb for money.
Congress does not declare war. The President's strings are simply pulled by the powers behind the curtain.
Obama is nothing but a puppet. Bush was a puppet. Hence the same fucking agenda except Obama bombs brown people while smiling.
These wars are also a direct result of the very reason we are relegated to the Dark Web, i.e. the War on Drugs.
Look at Afghanistan and the heroin production. Hence once again I am filled with grief and bewilderment.
Also, these wars maintain and enable the status quo of the current international system. This childish patriotism or religious zeal-ism.
Shit needs to change and voluntarily signing up to be the poorly paid mercenaries of evil men is not fucking helping anyone.
Have these International Banksters, Multinational Corporations and the Military Industrial Complex as a whole fight their own good damn wars.
Not one of the motives behind these wars is just.
And remember...
TERRORISM IS AS REAL AS THE EASTER BUNNY.
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I never said anything about Left or Right, Liberal or Conservative, Republican or Democrat.
I simply said that these wars are immoral and the only motive is profit.
Since WWII every war has been unjust so why the hell would somebody join the military?
Usually because they are young, dumb and poor.
Ain't no rich kids signing up. Nobody going to see a Senator's son in the army let alone the CEO of Boeing's kid.
This is all boils down to the fact that the United States Government no longer even determines who we are going to bomb for money.
Congress does not declare war. The President's strings are simply pulled by the powers behind the curtain.
Obama is nothing but a puppet. Bush was a puppet. Hence the same fucking agenda except Obama bombs brown people while smiling.
These wars are also a direct result of the very reason we are relegated to the Dark Web, i.e. the War on Drugs.
Look at Afghanistan and the heroin production. Hence once again I am filled with grief and bewilderment.
Also, these wars maintain and enable the status quo of the current international system. This childish patriotism or religious zeal-ism.
Shit needs to change and voluntarily signing up to be the poorly paid mercenaries of evil men is not fucking helping anyone.
Have these International Banksters, Multinational Corporations and the Military Industrial Complex as a whole fight their own good damn wars.
Not one of the motives behind these wars is just.
And remember...
TERRORISM IS AS REAL AS THE EASTER BUNNY.
This is one of the most intelligent responses i have read for a long time.
Terrorism really is as real as the easter bunny. Think to yourselves, when Bush declared this so called war, why the fuck didnt he mention anything about Northern Ireland or the IRA. I tell you why. Because a lot of politicians and wealthy americans actually donate money to the IRA. Thats no shit, its true.
And as for us brits, we feel just as shitty because we were drawn in alongside those little gulf war "incidents", which the media have since tried to portray them as such.
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I was in it. I was honorably discharged. I grew up with a sense of patriotism and honor. You dump all that shit when you're killing fucking non-military personnel. Fuck the military. Fuck the police. Fuck the state. It's all part of the same monster. You aren't fighting for democracy, freedom, or none of that dumb shit. You're a fucking mercenary that kills when he's told to kill. You not only fuck other people's lives up. you'll fuck up your own.
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I never said anything about Left or Right, Liberal or Conservative, Republican or Democrat.
I simply said that these wars are immoral and the only motive is profit.
Since WWII every war has been unjust so why the hell would somebody join the military?
Usually because they are young, dumb and poor.
Ain't no rich kids signing up. Nobody going to see a Senator's son in the army let alone the CEO of Boeing's kid.
This is all boils down to the fact that the United States Government no longer even determines who we are going to bomb for money.
Congress does not declare war. The President's strings are simply pulled by the powers behind the curtain.
Obama is nothing but a puppet. Bush was a puppet. Hence the same fucking agenda except Obama bombs brown people while smiling.
These wars are also a direct result of the very reason we are relegated to the Dark Web, i.e. the War on Drugs.
Look at Afghanistan and the heroin production. Hence once again I am filled with grief and bewilderment.
Also, these wars maintain and enable the status quo of the current international system. This childish patriotism or religious zeal-ism.
Shit needs to change and voluntarily signing up to be the poorly paid mercenaries of evil men is not fucking helping anyone.
Have these International Banksters, Multinational Corporations and the Military Industrial Complex as a whole fight their own good damn wars.
Not one of the motives behind these wars is just.
And remember...
TERRORISM IS AS REAL AS THE EASTER BUNNY.
This is one of the most intelligent responses i have read for a long time.
Terrorism really is as real as the easter bunny. Think to yourselves, when Bush declared this so called war, why the fuck didnt he mention anything about Northern Ireland or the IRA. I tell you why. Because a lot of politicians and wealthy americans actually donate money to the IRA. Thats no shit, its true.
And as for us brits, we feel just as shitty because we were drawn in alongside those little gulf war "incidents", which the media have since tried to portray them as such.
God damn right. Read the definition of terrorism and look at the last 200 years of American history, not just domestic but its history in South and Central America, Philippines, Afghanistan, Iraq, Vietnam, ......need I go on?
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I never said anything about Left or Right, Liberal or Conservative, Republican or Democrat.
I simply said that these wars are immoral and the only motive is profit.
Since WWII every war has been unjust so why the hell would somebody join the military?
Usually because they are young, dumb and poor.
Ain't no rich kids signing up. Nobody going to see a Senator's son in the army let alone the CEO of Boeing's kid.
This is all boils down to the fact that the United States Government no longer even determines who we are going to bomb for money.
Congress does not declare war. The President's strings are simply pulled by the powers behind the curtain.
Obama is nothing but a puppet. Bush was a puppet. Hence the same fucking agenda except Obama bombs brown people while smiling.
These wars are also a direct result of the very reason we are relegated to the Dark Web, i.e. the War on Drugs.
Look at Afghanistan and the heroin production. Hence once again I am filled with grief and bewilderment.
Also, these wars maintain and enable the status quo of the current international system. This childish patriotism or religious zeal-ism.
Shit needs to change and voluntarily signing up to be the poorly paid mercenaries of evil men is not fucking helping anyone.
Have these International Banksters, Multinational Corporations and the Military Industrial Complex as a whole fight their own good damn wars.
Not one of the motives behind these wars is just.
And remember...
TERRORISM IS AS REAL AS THE EASTER BUNNY.
Quoted for truth. Don't become part of the problem.
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I never said anything about Left or Right, Liberal or Conservative, Republican or Democrat.
I simply said that these wars are immoral and the only motive is profit.
Since WWII every war has been unjust so why the hell would somebody join the military?
Usually because they are young, dumb and poor.
Ain't no rich kids signing up. Nobody going to see a Senator's son in the army let alone the CEO of Boeing's kid.
This is all boils down to the fact that the United States Government no longer even determines who we are going to bomb for money.
Congress does not declare war. The President's strings are simply pulled by the powers behind the curtain.
Obama is nothing but a puppet. Bush was a puppet. Hence the same fucking agenda except Obama bombs brown people while smiling.
These wars are also a direct result of the very reason we are relegated to the Dark Web, i.e. the War on Drugs.
Look at Afghanistan and the heroin production. Hence once again I am filled with grief and bewilderment.
Also, these wars maintain and enable the status quo of the current international system. This childish patriotism or religious zeal-ism.
Shit needs to change and voluntarily signing up to be the poorly paid mercenaries of evil men is not fucking helping anyone.
Have these International Banksters, Multinational Corporations and the Military Industrial Complex as a whole fight their own good damn wars.
Not one of the motives behind these wars is just.
And remember...
TERRORISM IS AS REAL AS THE EASTER BUNNY.
Quoted for truth. Don't become part of the problem.
Oh believe you me terrorism is real, its there. The PROBLEM is pumped up fucks like bush and blair who use it to their own, greedy financial gains. Blair is has more money to this day than all previous uk prime ministers COMBINED.
AND he wanted a seat at the UN the cheeky bastard.
I dont know about bush junior but i bet hes still doing alright, considering that his family used to be involved in the oil business with BIN LADNES FAMILY!!.
Oh yeah, i bet osama was fucking shitting himself when we went to war with them in afghanistan, thats why he was wearing american military clothing and watch.
Terrorism IS real, the "war on terror" is the fucking easter bunny my friend. And you can take that all the way to the fucking bank with you. Oh wait, what am i saying, the banks have no money anymore lol.
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Men like me, men that serve we serve so that men like him do not have to, so he can say whatever he likes without fear of government prosecution.
That was a real powerful line.
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This is the SCARY thing about joining the army. Its like its own little private government. IF you fuck up, you are sanctioned by a MILITARY court of law, not civvy street law.
Its like if you do something wrong in London. London is one of the few cities in the world that has its own ambulance service, fire service and worst of all, its own metropolitan police force.
Remember the riots where that guy got pushed down and ended up dead because of head injury?
Every single police officer had his badge number concealed. And that my friends is against the law.
And what happened?, a fucking slap on the wrist, thats all.
IF you are going to be a part of any "fraternity", because that is basically what they are, you have to think about not just the actions of yourselves, but the actions of others and the repercussions that ensue because of them.
So you really want to be a part of a "family" where backstabbing and cover ups are a way of daily life?
If you think the army is any different, your in for a shock.
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I have advised the op that in my opinion The Air Force would be the best otion should he decide to join the military. NO combat no hardcore boot camp and a decent job after you are done.
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I have advised the op that in my opinion The Air Force would be the best otion should he decide to join the military. NO combat no hardcore boot camp and a decent job after you are done.
I am trained in medicine, the airforce is not really an option..
army or navy are my options at this point. Whats the navy like?
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You are pretty much screwed either way.
Just live your life bro and enjoy it.
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Not sure why you say the Air Force is not an option as far as I know they have jobs in the medical field. The Navy would be less intense boot camp wise. I would never want to serve at sea so that's my issue. If you are cool with long times at sea then the navy is fine except for that gay ass sailor suit they wear. You know like the cracker jack guy GAAAY lol
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Yeah from what i understand if you really want to progress career wise, id say go for the navy.
Who knows, navy seal or even black ops might be in your future.
Just be prepared to spend MONTHS if not years trapped on a tiny, claustrophobic submarine with nothing but smelly guys to look at. You will have gay moments that other sailors take to their graves with them.
Its a bit like prison only its your job and you get paid shit money.
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I talked to a guy who was in the navy. He said when they go to port they all get laid, and theres something wrong with you if you arent getting any.
All I want is vagina, I mean I'm a young man thats my LIFES ONLY GOAL. Heaven would be some blue dream with a chubby white girl.
At school this girl who I'm crazy for called me an "ugly pedophile" life wtf is wrong with me I'm going in the military and I'm muscular. But my eyes look a little weird from my excessive drug use I guess.
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Girls these days make me sick. Especially here in the uk.
I once helped a girl after she fell off her bike, i dunno she was like 14, after i did all that and made sure she was okay THEN she said, fuck off you pedophile cunt.
What nice language.
Do whatever you want bro, if you can hold out all that time on a sub go for it. I reckon your in for a fucking good time.
I just wish i had something like a "career" that i could really believe in. Oh well.