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Title: United Kingdom experiences
Post by: treenako on October 26, 2011, 03:35 am
Hey, im looking to buy lsd and cannabis from silk, i was just wondering has anyone had any bad experiences with customs or with royal mail.. and also what would happen if they where to seize a package that was routed to you address??

i know im a newbie  :'( but my dealer got caught so now i need my stuffs :D help my out guys

-future thanks
Title: Re: United Kingdom experiences
Post by: tyranid on October 29, 2011, 01:13 am
im also interested in peoples experiences in the UK as this is the only point in question thats really making me think twice from turning some cash into bitcoins and ordering some tasty hash!
Title: Re: United Kingdom experiences
Post by: MrRibena on October 29, 2011, 01:19 am
If you're smart and have stayed 100% anonymous you can deny all knowledge of the package. Anyone can send you anything in the mail. As long as your fingerprints arent on it and there is no proof you have purchased it (an invoice with card details or method of payment listed) you will be ok. If customs seize a package they will send you a letter saying they've seized it although Im not entirely sure what happens then.
Title: Re: United Kingdom experiences
Post by: MrRibena on October 29, 2011, 01:26 am
I should also add if customs DO seize a parcel, whatever you do do NOT fill in the form they send you allowing the parcel to be destroyed. If you do you are ADMITTING the package is yours! Just ignore all correspondence from them.
Title: Re: United Kingdom experiences
Post by: demetri on January 28, 2012, 12:00 pm
If you're smart and have stayed 100% anonymous you can deny all knowledge of the package. Anyone can send you anything in the mail. As long as your fingerprints arent on it and there is no proof you have purchased it (an invoice with card details or method of payment listed) you will be ok. If customs seize a package they will send you a letter saying they've seized it although Im not entirely sure what happens then.

I don't know if it's the same now but I once had a run-in with Customs in the 90s over some porn ordered from the States (just regular adult porn).. I got no letter or advance warning, just a visit from 2 Customs officers who were plain clothed and very scruffy looking. Those guys were sneaky as shit (one of them hid behind a wall) and they arrived very early around 7.30am. They tricked me 100% and caught me off-guard as I was half asleep. When I opened door it looked like one guy with a clipboard who said got a package for you from States and asked me to confirm name. I thought this was odd but didn't twig to anything and just assumed it was a temporary postman so confirmed name and took package...then out comes the ID card and the guy appears from behind the wall. Was cautioned and told I had to be interviewed. Not a good experience. Got a £250 fine. If I was in same situation again I would deny all knowledge and refuse to an interview. Customs and LE work entirely on "leading" you into an admission of guilt. The less you say the better.


Title: Re: United Kingdom experiences
Post by: demetri on January 28, 2012, 12:10 pm
I just wanted to add following on from my previous post...

I regularly order prescription meds from the two overseas pharmacies, one in Hong Kong and the other Singapore... I always make sure I order less than 90 days supply of any one drug and always make sure the Customs declaration just says "health products" and keep the value declaration below the VAT threshold.

I've had many two dozen orders delivered and not a single one has been opened or delayed even. Even though the packages are fairly large boxes with no discrete packaging and clearly contain pills as they rattle! The boxes would only take a second to open as the pharmacies don't seal them very well just a tiny bit of sellotape at the front.

Now this begs the question... Are Customs just too busy to check and open every package.... or are they opening packages based on suspicious looking packaging?

As it goes, I'm only buying prescription meds (including Tramadol and Etizolam, but nothing scheduled) which is perfectly legal to import for personal use in UK without prescription (max 90 days supply). I could have any kind of pills in my packages tho and they wouldn't know if they're not opening and checking!?







Title: Re: United Kingdom experiences
Post by: wowzers on January 28, 2012, 01:23 pm
I'm in UK, I've made 21 orders which have arrived as 26 packages from UK, NL, US, Canada, France, Germany and Belgium. All have arrived with no problems, I used my real name and address on all (used to use slight variations on my name before realising it was pointless). Also ordered many prescriptions meds from online pharmacies, fairly large orders of ketamine as powder and vials, 4-MMC and RCs from China- every single order has arrived.

With a few packages, I've been out and have had to go to the local sorting office to pick them up and show a utility bill as ID.

I look at it this way. If I were to order a small item that I'd bought on ebay, a USB cable from germany for example- I would have absolutely no reason to expect it not to arrive, to be opened, or for the authorities to think it was a suspicious package. Why shouldn't I have the same expectation for well packaged drugs which look like any small package that millions of people send around the world every day? Refusing to sign, not picking something up from the sorting office, using fake names, suddenly getting lots of mail to a new name etc just makes you stand out.
Title: Re: United Kingdom experiences
Post by: demetri on January 28, 2012, 01:59 pm
I look at it this way. If I were to order a small item that I'd bought on ebay, a USB cable from germany for example- I would have absolutely no reason to expect it not to arrive, to be opened, or for the authorities to think it was a suspicious package. Why shouldn't I have the same expectation for well packaged drugs which look like any small package that millions of people send around the world every day? Refusing to sign, not picking something up from the sorting office, using fake names, suddenly getting lots of mail to a new name etc just makes you stand out.

That's a good common sense attitude. I think as you say, doing anything which looks unusual or draws attention is what puts your package more at risk of being inspected.. I think on SR the main thing though is making sure the vendor is reliable and knows what they're doing..especially if you're buying smelly stuff that needs extra careful packaging. From the outside if the package looks professional like one of the many packages purchased online with a printed address label etc, then there's no reason it should be singled out.
Title: Re: United Kingdom experiences
Post by: fruity on January 29, 2012, 01:19 am
Ive placed over 20 orders on SR, never had a one seized. 

Im sure there is no way that standard mail is properly screened due to not enough resources and sheer volume of mail that comes in every day. Large items are different as they can charge recipients an import tax and handling fee.

I suspect the process works by letting a dog sniff over what ever mail happens to be on the surface the pile, or anything that is blatantly obvious is picked out.
Title: Re: United Kingdom experiences
Post by: Edge69 on January 29, 2012, 01:34 am
Refusing to sign, not picking something up from the sorting office, using fake names, suddenly getting lots of mail to a new name etc just makes you stand out.

I like your post, but the first two points there are admissions of guilt? I think it's unwise to be signing for a package/picking something up from the sorting office because it hurts your plausible deniability.

The best option seems to be to pay a trusted friend to take the delivery for you (especially larger deliveries). He then has complete plausible deniability, no evidence in computer hard drives etc etc. And it saves you going to jail when you refuse to hand your encryption key over to the police. You can then pick up the package a few days after delivery.
Title: Re: United Kingdom experiences
Post by: wowzers on January 29, 2012, 01:43 am
I've thought about this but couldn't in good conscience send drugs I had ordered to a friends address. I'm not convinced by plausible deniability, it's only a fancy way of saying "honest guv, it ain't mine', if there's been any legal precedent for it's use in the UK I'd be interested! I've never signed for anything though, Royal Mail sorting offices just hand over the package- often they don't even bother with ID. Packages not needing signing for only end up at the sorting office if they don't fit in your letter box.
Title: Re: United Kingdom experiences
Post by: Edge69 on January 29, 2012, 02:09 am
I've thought about this but couldn't in good conscience send drugs I had ordered to a friends address. I'm not convinced by plausible deniability, it's only a fancy way of saying "honest guv, it ain't mine', if there's been any legal precedent for it's use in the UK I'd be interested! I've never signed for anything though, Royal Mail sorting offices just hand over the package- often they don't even bother with ID. Packages not needing signing for only end up at the sorting office if they don't fit in your letter box.

As long as the package isn't opened you have plausible deniability. I'm not sure about sorting offices, I guess they would be doing a controlled delivery if they had found your drugs rather than waiting outside a sorting office?

But yeah, this is the reason I wouldn't risk ordering something that doesn't fit through my letterbox, it just makes things a lot more complicated.
Title: Re: United Kingdom experiences
Post by: wowzers on January 29, 2012, 01:15 pm
If you're smart and have stayed 100% anonymous you can deny all knowledge of the package. Anyone can send you anything in the mail. As long as your fingerprints arent on it and there is no proof you have purchased it (an invoice with card details or method of payment listed) you will be ok. If customs seize a package they will send you a letter saying they've seized it although Im not entirely sure what happens then.

I don't know if it's the same now but I once had a run-in with Customs in the 90s over some porn ordered from the States (just regular adult porn).. I got no letter or advance warning, just a visit from 2 Customs officers who were plain clothed and very scruffy looking. Those guys were sneaky as shit (one of them hid behind a wall) and they arrived very early around 7.30am. They tricked me 100% and caught me off-guard as I was half asleep. When I opened door it looked like one guy with a clipboard who said got a package for you from States and asked me to confirm name. I thought this was odd but didn't twig to anything and just assumed it was a temporary postman so confirmed name and took package...then out comes the ID card and the guy appears from behind the wall. Was cautioned and told I had to be interviewed. Not a good experience. Got a £250 fine. If I was in same situation again I would deny all knowledge and refuse to an interview. Customs and LE work entirely on "leading" you into an admission of guilt. The less you say the better.
Dude...porn is/was illegal in the UK? You kidding me? Nanny state to the max.

Hardcore porn was illegal until 2002 (!) but generally tolerated. The super authoritarian New Labour administration (run by slightly puritanical, lefty social worker types) sought to legislate or control many aspects of people's private lives. In 2009 they banned "extreme pornography" in response to tabloid hysteria following a high profile murder in which the murderer liked simulated rape porn. Extreme pornography includes the harder end of bdsm, urolagnia, staged rape scenes etc. As the definition of extreme pornography includes "an act which results, or is likely to result, in serious injury to a person’s anus, breasts or genitals,"- possession of fairly mainstream hardcore could be an offense (think dp etc). A charge was brought against a man who had a 'tiger bestiality' film (obviously fake), which went to court. Another man served 12 months in jail for possession of bestiality but was given only an additional 2 months for the CP found on his computer. Animated and cartoon CP is also illegal and a man was taken to court for a text only story (the Girls (Scream) Aloud case).
Title: Re: United Kingdom experiences
Post by: gazwel on January 29, 2012, 01:33 pm
Having worked in a sorting office, I can confirm that the workers do not check any small packages at all. There is just far too many to be doing that and everyone is always in a rush to get finished as fast as possible.
Title: Re: United Kingdom experiences
Post by: SpeedCrunch on February 09, 2012, 11:23 pm
@treenako I am in the the same boat as you my friend.

I am scared to death of customs seizing packages that I might order.

But after ordering 50 x 10mg Valium (Diazepam) from azura540 (Best vendor on earth btw) and getting them in the mail the next day and then taking 4x tablets that's 40mg  Diazepam.

All my anxiety about my order being seized by customs has vanished! So now I got 5x tabs of LSD on the way :)

I look at it this way if  customs comes knocking down your door DENY DENY DENY!
You have never done drugs and you have no idea what this lsd stuff is aka you are a fine upstanding citizen

P.S Will update when my LSD gets here. Oh and a good piece of advice always research your vendor
Title: Re: United Kingdom experiences
Post by: Imthatguy on February 09, 2012, 11:40 pm
I can tell you several things with absolute certainty:

Nobody is legally responsible for the contents of post that they do not open, even if it is addressed to them (just think about it for a minute - if you were legally liable for whatever random shit got posted to you it would open up a legal minefield. The potential for various kinds of blackmail would be limitless.).

If you get stuff sent to a friend's house in a false name and that friend does not have any other contraband in the house and does not open the envelope then they are in NO LEGAL DANGER provided they deny all knowledge if ever asked. But the friend in question should have no other illegal stuff in the house and should not open the letter.

UK customs do not even look at letters. If it comes letter post rather than parcel post then your only chance of getting caught is if the letter rips by accident and the stuff falls out of it. Just look at the UK customs web-site if you don't believe me. It only refers to examining parcels.

Parcels are a different matter. If you get anything bulky enough to come parcel post then you are asking for trouble.

You will not always get a letter home if customs seize. Sometimes, especially if it is 'small' amounts they will just destroy it and take no further action.

Nobody in either customs or the police (unless you are talking about a very small and bored rural police force) really gives a shit about your few strips of acid or your 3 grams of coke. If you don't wave it in their faces then they have better things to do than to try to nick you for it.
Title: Re: United Kingdom experiences
Post by: SpeedCrunch on February 09, 2012, 11:53 pm
I can tell you several things with absolute certainty:

Nobody is legally responsible for the contents of post that they do not open, even if it is addressed to them (just think about it for a minute - if you were legally liable for whatever random shit got posted to you it would open up a legal minefield. The potential for various kinds of blackmail would be limitless.).

If you get stuff sent to a friend's house in a false name and that friend does not have any other contraband in the house and does not open the envelope then they are in NO LEGAL DANGER provided they deny all knowledge if ever asked. But the friend in question should have no other illegal stuff in the house and should not open the letter.

UK customs do not even look at letters. If it comes letter post rather than parcel post then your only chance of getting caught is if the letter rips by accident and the stuff falls out of it. Just look at the UK customs web-site if you don't believe me. It only refers to examining parcels.

Parcels are a different matter. If you get anything bulky enough to come parcel post then you are asking for trouble.

You will not always get a letter home if customs seize. Sometimes, especially if it is 'small' amounts they will just destroy it and take no further action.

Nobody in either customs or the police (unless you are talking about a very small and bored rural police force) really gives a shit about your few strips of acid or your 3 grams of coke. If you don't wave it in their faces then they have better things to do than to try to nick you for it.


Hell that makes me feel hell of a lot better I might actuality stop taking as much Valium and relax a bit lol.

Title: Re: United Kingdom experiences
Post by: jochem on February 09, 2012, 11:57 pm
I've read it in many threads and I'm quite curious to why I shouldn't sign for a package. I get shit delivered all the time (dealextreme.com is pretty addictive) and therefor have no clue when my next package is coming and from whom, so I'll just sign and check afterwards whatever it is. How is this any different from receiving something without signing for it? Sure, they now have your signature, but that's fake anyhow... It's by no means an admission of guilt or whatever, as I have no clue what's in the package before I open it - exactly the same as for regular mail.
Title: Re: United Kingdom experiences
Post by: Imthatguy on February 10, 2012, 01:15 pm
I've read it in many threads and I'm quite curious to why I shouldn't sign for a package. I get shit delivered all the time (dealextreme.com is pretty addictive) and therefor have no clue when my next package is coming and from whom, so I'll just sign and check afterwards whatever it is. How is this any different from receiving something without signing for it? Sure, they now have your signature, but that's fake anyhow... It's by no means an admission of guilt or whatever, as I have no clue what's in the package before I open it - exactly the same as for regular mail.

I think you're right about this to be honest. Unless you sign a document which indicates your explicit awareness of the contents of the package then you cannot be held responsible for those contents.
Title: Re: United Kingdom experiences
Post by: PlutoPete on February 10, 2012, 01:29 pm
The best way to sign for a package is to write "unexamined" along with your sig, this way you acknowledge receipt of the package but not knowledge of the contents  :)
Title: Re: United Kingdom experiences
Post by: SpeedCrunch on February 10, 2012, 04:56 pm
@treenako

Yo just to let you know I just got my tabs of LSD Albert Hoffman's :) ordered from the Netherlands only took 3 days to the UK.

No need to sign for anything the letter just went into my letter box and was on the floor when I got home.

Now all I need to do is some research before I try a tab...
Title: Re: United Kingdom experiences
Post by: supersecretsquirrel on February 10, 2012, 05:05 pm
Now all I need to do is some research before I try a tab...

Hah, that's one way to do it. Most people research before they buy.
Title: Re: United Kingdom experiences
Post by: SpeedCrunch on February 11, 2012, 04:41 pm
Now all I need to do is some research before I try a tab...

Hah, that's one way to do it. Most people research before they buy.

Well I been researching it a bit. But I want to read up on it a bit more. Especially other peoples experiences and advice as this will be my first time using LSD.

P.S [UPDATE] Just had my first LSD trip I made a post about if anyone is interested.

http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=12204.0