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Discussion => Security => Topic started by: mellowharsher4 on June 16, 2012, 05:08 am
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im in the good ol' USA, i dont get many packages, especially express. just so i know what to expect when i make my first purchase, i shouldn't have to sign for it even if its express right? this should be a red flag for me, right?
also, what if im not home and someone else at my home signs for the package, are they liable in anyway? i cant exactly explain the situation to them so if they are presented with a clipboard requiring a sig, they are gonna sign.
just a simple question sorry if its been asked, i couldnt find a direct answer to this. id be curious on hearing anything, tips or stories on this subject. thank you SR.
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NEVER NEVER sign for anything. If the vendor indicates you will have to sign for it, then DO NOT USE THAT VENDOR. I use a PO Box. And sometimes the delivery is larger then my small PO BOX so the post office leaves a card letting me know they are holding onto something. No signature, no writing, nothing.g I just give them the card with nothing on it and they give me my delivery.
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From the USPS site regarding Express Mail:
"Express Mail must be signed for (unless the sender has chosen the Waiver of Signature Option). "
So either the seller did not use the waiver option when they shipped, or....
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good idea as long as they dont open your mail.
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This is a hotly debated subject, and many disagree with me on this...but I say yes, you should sign for a package. In an anonymous situation like this, scamming is possible. If a vendor sends something out without a signature required, who is to say that it was ever received?
I personally do not believe that signing for a package puts you significantly more at risk for being charged.
In a court, one could make the argument that one would sign for any package, whether they were expecting it or not, and signing does not prove intent to receive the true contents of the package (since you didn't know what was in there). Or just have someone else with whom you are living sign for it. If they have enough evidence to charge you after you sign for a package, chance are they had enough evidence without requiring you to sign.
Additionally, there have been controlled deliveries where a signature was NOT required, meaning that using a signature to get a heads-up of a upcoming controlled delivery isn't reliable.
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Grey area things are one matter, but never ever sign for a pack that contains controlled substances. This has been a common sense rule in the scene for as long as I can remember...
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I've signed a couple of times. Not that big a deal. A lot of times we start passing on information on here because it just *sounds* right, without any real knowledge of the law or how it applies. We put too much stock in this whole 'controlled delivery' theory. And that's all it appears to me, to be, is a theory. Truth is, we don't know, we've not had any major busts. Use common sense, don't talk, and do what seems indicated.
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Grey area things are one matter, but never ever sign for a pack that contains controlled substances. This has been a common sense rule in the scene for as long as I can remember...
Common sense is a good starting point for anything, but then you have to figure out why you think it's common sense. Just something being common sense is not enough.
I'm actually with 328502E until someone can explain to me why I should never sign for something. This doesn't mean I prefer signed packages over non-signed, but I won't get scared if I have to put a signature somewhere.
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Hey, I just came home and got a notice from my local post office, there are 2 packages waiting for me which I have to sign. I'm from Germany btw. Actually I have 2 open orders. I'm wondering because my mate was home all morning and says he didn't hear the doorbell. So that indicates, that they want me to come to the post office. There is also no time stamp, what they use usually when nobody was home.
What should I do now?
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Hey, I just came home and got a notice from my local post office, there are 2 packages waiting for me which I have to sign. I'm from Germany btw. Actually I have 2 open orders. I'm wondering because my mate was home all morning and says he didn't hear the doorbell. So that indicates, that they want me to come to the post office. There is also no time stamp, what they use usually when nobody was home.
What should I do now?
Best advice? Don't Sign...but of course, best advice of all, is don't buy here in the first place. What would I do? I'd go to P.O., sign, and worry until I got out of there. If somehow it turned out to be some kind of 'setup,' I'd plead innocence, and how can they prove you ordered it? So yeah, it'll worry you, but if it's something you want, you'd probably just go get it anyway...or I would...A lot of people give warnings, but they do it without any real knowledge: it just sounds good. Nobody really knows, man...good luck! :)
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Sometimes it seems that the best possible strategy would be waiting a little bit.. maybe for a week or two..
We are not in a rush? Do we? While hanging around a po and checking for any suspicious mfs and feel the vibe..
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Sometimes it seems that the best possible strategy would be waiting a little bit.. maybe for a week or two..
We are not in a rush? Do we? While hanging around a po and checking for any suspicious mfs and feel the vibe..
That's true, and good advice...if you have patience. Same as sitting on envelope a couple days, when you get it in mail, as countless people have recommended. But to be honest, I always laugh when I read that, as if I"m going to sit on an envelope I know has dope in it...haha...I might *intend* to, but all it takes is about 5 minutes of me staring at an envelope I know has heaven inside of it...hell, I just peek outside, and if I don't see a bunch of guys in suits running towards my house I figure I'm good... :) Still, you're right, so I'll get your karma started :)
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Thanks for your good Karma guys :)
I have contacted the vendor and he told me, that you have to be at home for tracked shipping.
When I was going to the post office I was still very nervous, because there were 2 packages for me waiting.
But the vendor just made a mistake and send out 2 packages to me.
Yea :) So out of such a bad situation finally developed a win win situation. Now I got 10 tabs for free :)
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you will never have to sign for a package from me, so if you need any benzos or soft dick medicine or steroids give me a shot. i am 100% shipping to USA. no seizures and no failure to deliver. im tooting my own horn, yes- but i am also giving massive props to my customer base because i dont have a scammer or liar in the bunch.
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This is a hotly debated subject, and many disagree with me on this...but I say yes, you should sign for a package. In an anonymous situation like this, scamming is possible. If a vendor sends something out without a signature required, who is to say that it was ever received?
I personally do not believe that signing for a package puts you significantly more at risk for being charged.
In a court, one could make the argument that one would sign for any package, whether they were expecting it or not, and signing does not prove intent to receive the true contents of the package (since you didn't know what was in there). Or just have someone else with whom you are living sign for it. If they have enough evidence to charge you after you sign for a package, chance are they had enough evidence without requiring you to sign.
Additionally, there have been controlled deliveries where a signature was NOT required, meaning that using a signature to get a heads-up of a upcoming controlled delivery isn't reliable.
are you a disinformation agent or something? you're signing your life over by signing for the pack, read about reports of interceptions, people have been zerg rushed by feds right after the pen leaves the paper. but if you utilize a po box they'll sign for you so it's all moot.
No. I'm actually one of the few people here that has actually heavily researched this subject and read all leaked DEA reports and user experiences. Instead of blindly reposting what everyone else says, I have drawn my own conclusion from the evidence available. Please, tell me why you are signing your life over by signing for the package? A signature on a piece of paper does not prove that you bought or expected to receive the drugs inside.
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A signature on a piece of paper does not prove that you bought or expected to receive the drugs inside.
tell that to the workers of the major lsd importers that i know who got assfucked by the alphabet boys right after they signed for packs. look at this another way - if signing wasn't extra evidence against you, why would they even try to get an undercover uspis agent to get you to sign it? why wouldn't they just camp outside your house and rush you as soon you collected your mail?
Exactly. People don't realize once the police are onto you it's all a game of mitigation, you might like to dream about lofty ideals such as "constitutions" and "civil rights" but believe me when you're in court in the dock infront of a jury of Granny Smith and her knitting group buddies those ideals don't mean shit. The jury will see things how they will, so you either need to:
A) Have plausible deniabilty - ACTUAL plausible deniability, not "oh herp derp that 10g of coke has my name on it but I never asked for it" because granny smith aint gonna buy that. No matter if you waited 2 weeks to open it or not.
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B) Mitigation -such as, "I was forced into buying it because this Nigerian gang was raping my baby moma". This means you're still going down, but will get a lower sentence and don't need to do much to get it other than chat shit. Ultimate mitigation = pleading insanity.
If the police have spent the resources to steak out your house and monitor you, and to do a controlled delivery and you think you think you're going to get off when they burst in and find you holding even an unopened package in your hands containing drugs then sorry but you're in Gaga land. Mitigation, mitigation, mitigation...
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I just ordered legal substances from a vendor here on the road, after placing the order, I was notified that I would need to sign for it.
EEK! Paranoia floods my mind!!
But then, he has reason to require receipt of delivery and insured. it is a pricey order, I am a new custy.
My buyers stats are
in order amounts
20$
8$
10$
35$
70$
125$
To be honest, I don't need lots of drugs, or sell any drugs. I'm just a bargin hunter. If I can get shit for 1$ a hit in a large order and only order once every few months, or 5$ a hit for a small order, I'm going as big as I can.
TLDR; don't sign for shit! Build trust with a vendor so they are not wary or your intentions.
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Exactly. People don't realize once the police are onto you it's all a game of mitigation, you might like to dream about lofty ideals such as "constitutions" and "civil rights" but believe me when you're in court in the dock infront of a jury of Granny Smith and her knitting group buddies those ideals don't mean shit.
It's not as if a jury won't buy the story if your name is on the package but you haven't signed for it. It's still addressed to you, signature or not.
But I suppose it's probably a US thing. Thank god I don't live in that country. (Let the negative karma commence.)
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A signature on a piece of paper does not prove that you bought or expected to receive the drugs inside.
tell that to the workers of the major lsd importers that i know who got assfucked by the alphabet boys right after they signed for packs. look at this another way - if signing wasn't extra evidence against you, why would they even try to get an undercover uspis agent to get you to sign it? why wouldn't they just camp outside your house and rush you as soon you collected your mail?
Source please. There have been reports that controlled deliveries actually AREN'T asking for a signature. And just because they are asking for a signature doesn't mean that it can be held against you in court.