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Title: Seriously....WTF is the deal with these Pakistani honour kidnappings?!
Post by: Limetless on July 04, 2012, 03:51 am
I mean what the actual fuck? Is their really any need for kidnapping and jetting them to Pakistan or killing your daughters and sometimes sons just because they don't want to marry the right person?

Chill the fuck out yeah!
Title: Re: Seriously....WTF is the deal with these Pakistani honour kidnappings?!
Post by: Caparino on July 04, 2012, 04:19 am
I mean what the actual fuck? Is their really any need for kidnapping and jetting them to Pakistan or killing your daughters and sometimes sons just because they don't want to marry the right person?

Chill the fuck out yeah!

Well in the upper-class families of the world, mixing the bloodline with someone unsuited for it or even outside of the original bloodline is like polluting your family lineage. I suppose to them, killing off one of your children is a better option than calling a "mutant" your grandchild. My parents are gonna be so pissed :D
Title: Re: Seriously....WTF is the deal with these Pakistani honour kidnappings?!
Post by: Limetless on July 04, 2012, 04:25 am
I mean what the actual fuck? Is their really any need for kidnapping and jetting them to Pakistan or killing your daughters and sometimes sons just because they don't want to marry the right person?

Chill the fuck out yeah!

Well in the upper-class families of the world, mixing the bloodline with someone unsuited for it or even outside of the original bloodline is like polluting your family lineage. I suppose to them, killing off one of your children is a better option than calling a "mutant" your grandchild. My parents are gonna be so pissed :D

Lol it isn't really about bloodlines in this case Cap, it's this screwed up idea of honour in the Pakistani community in the U.K. All about the arranged marriages.
Title: Re: Seriously....WTF is the deal with these Pakistani honour kidnappings?!
Post by: Caparino on July 04, 2012, 04:35 am
I mean what the actual fuck? Is their really any need for kidnapping and jetting them to Pakistan or killing your daughters and sometimes sons just because they don't want to marry the right person?

Chill the fuck out yeah!

Well in the upper-class families of the world, mixing the bloodline with someone unsuited for it or even outside of the original bloodline is like polluting your family lineage. I suppose to them, killing off one of your children is a better option than calling a "mutant" your grandchild. My parents are gonna be so pissed :D

Lol it isn't really about bloodlines in this case Cap, it's this screwed up idea of honour in the Pakistani community in the U.K. All about the arranged marriages.

0_o Well what the fuck, that basically translates to "We have wisdom beyond your years and know which mate you'll socially appear better with. Your preference is disregarded; you can listen to us or die!"
Title: Re: Seriously....WTF is the deal with these Pakistani honour kidnappings?!
Post by: Limetless on July 04, 2012, 04:37 am
I mean what the actual fuck? Is their really any need for kidnapping and jetting them to Pakistan or killing your daughters and sometimes sons just because they don't want to marry the right person?

Chill the fuck out yeah!

Well in the upper-class families of the world, mixing the bloodline with someone unsuited for it or even outside of the original bloodline is like polluting your family lineage. I suppose to them, killing off one of your children is a better option than calling a "mutant" your grandchild. My parents are gonna be so pissed :D

Lol it isn't really about bloodlines in this case Cap, it's this screwed up idea of honour in the Pakistani community in the U.K. All about the arranged marriages.

0_o Well what the fuck, that basically translates to "We have wisdom beyond your years and know which mate you'll socially appear better with. Your preference is disregarded; you can listen to us or die!"

Yeah that's pretty much it. I just watched a documentary on it and they gave her fuck loads of Lorazepam and tried to kidnap her out of the country to Pakistan, they fucked up and she had them all fucked and her whole family went to prison.
Title: Re: Seriously....WTF is the deal with these Pakistani honour kidnappings?!
Post by: Caparino on July 04, 2012, 04:56 am
I mean what the actual fuck? Is their really any need for kidnapping and jetting them to Pakistan or killing your daughters and sometimes sons just because they don't want to marry the right person?

Chill the fuck out yeah!

Well in the upper-class families of the world, mixing the bloodline with someone unsuited for it or even outside of the original bloodline is like polluting your family lineage. I suppose to them, killing off one of your children is a better option than calling a "mutant" your grandchild. My parents are gonna be so pissed :D

Lol it isn't really about bloodlines in this case Cap, it's this screwed up idea of honour in the Pakistani community in the U.K. All about the arranged marriages.

0_o Well what the fuck, that basically translates to "We have wisdom beyond your years and know which mate you'll socially appear better with. Your preference is disregarded; you can listen to us or die!"

Yeah that's pretty much it. I just watched a documentary on it and they gave her fuck loads of Lorazepam and tried to kidnap her out of the country to Pakistan, they fucked up and she had them all fucked and her whole family went to prison.

Yeesh! But then again weirder stuff takes place across the globe. Some African tribes conduct genital infibulation so the women don't experience sexual pleasure
Title: Re: Seriously....WTF is the deal with these Pakistani honour kidnappings?!
Post by: Limetless on July 04, 2012, 04:58 am
I mean what the actual fuck? Is their really any need for kidnapping and jetting them to Pakistan or killing your daughters and sometimes sons just because they don't want to marry the right person?

Chill the fuck out yeah!

Well in the upper-class families of the world, mixing the bloodline with someone unsuited for it or even outside of the original bloodline is like polluting your family lineage. I suppose to them, killing off one of your children is a better option than calling a "mutant" your grandchild. My parents are gonna be so pissed :D

Lol it isn't really about bloodlines in this case Cap, it's this screwed up idea of honour in the Pakistani community in the U.K. All about the arranged marriages.

0_o Well what the fuck, that basically translates to "We have wisdom beyond your years and know which mate you'll socially appear better with. Your preference is disregarded; you can listen to us or die!"

Yeah that's pretty much it. I just watched a documentary on it and they gave her fuck loads of Lorazepam and tried to kidnap her out of the country to Pakistan, they fucked up and she had them all fucked and her whole family went to prison.

Yeesh! But then again weirder stuff takes place across the globe. Some African tribes conduct genital infibulation so the women don't experience sexual pleasure

Yeah I never really got that. Why would you do that when half the fun is seeing the woman get off on your nob?
Title: Re: Seriously....WTF is the deal with these Pakistani honour kidnappings?!
Post by: Caparino on July 04, 2012, 05:07 am
I mean what the actual fuck? Is their really any need for kidnapping and jetting them to Pakistan or killing your daughters and sometimes sons just because they don't want to marry the right person?

Chill the fuck out yeah!

Well in the upper-class families of the world, mixing the bloodline with someone unsuited for it or even outside of the original bloodline is like polluting your family lineage. I suppose to them, killing off one of your children is a better option than calling a "mutant" your grandchild. My parents are gonna be so pissed :D

Lol it isn't really about bloodlines in this case Cap, it's this screwed up idea of honour in the Pakistani community in the U.K. All about the arranged marriages.

0_o Well what the fuck, that basically translates to "We have wisdom beyond your years and know which mate you'll socially appear better with. Your preference is disregarded; you can listen to us or die!"

Yeah that's pretty much it. I just watched a documentary on it and they gave her fuck loads of Lorazepam and tried to kidnap her out of the country to Pakistan, they fucked up and she had them all fucked and her whole family went to prison.

Yeesh! But then again weirder stuff takes place across the globe. Some African tribes conduct genital infibulation so the women don't experience sexual pleasure

Yeah I never really got that. Why would you do that when half the fun is seeing the woman get off on your nob?

Agreed! But I guess to dilute any efforts of infidelity. What the fuck do Africans do anyways? Without technology or moveable print, I couldn't imagine a day in their shoes  ???
Title: Re: Seriously....WTF is the deal with these Pakistani honour kidnappings?!
Post by: Limetless on July 04, 2012, 05:11 am
They are a fairly decent source of child labour and conflict diamonds.  :-\
Title: Re: Seriously....WTF is the deal with these Pakistani honour kidnappings?!
Post by: Caparino on July 04, 2012, 05:31 am
They are a fairly decent source of child labour and conflict diamonds.  :-\

Oh yeah :/ I meant more the tribals but that just made me sad...
Title: Re: Seriously....WTF is the deal with these Pakistani honour kidnappings?!
Post by: Limetless on July 04, 2012, 05:32 am
They are a fairly decent source of child labour and conflict diamonds.  :-\

Oh yeah :/ I meant more the tribals but that just made me sad...

Meh, it doesn't really do anything for me. It's just how the world is.
Title: Re: Seriously....WTF is the deal with these Pakistani honour kidnappings?!
Post by: Limetless on July 04, 2012, 05:34 am
b-b-but but but... you can't say shit like this lim! all cultures are equally and deserve to be preserved! :P

......Bollocks.
Title: Re: Seriously....WTF is the deal with these Pakistani honour kidnappings?!
Post by: Caparino on July 04, 2012, 06:00 am
b-b-but but but... you can't say shit like this lim! all cultures are equally and deserve to be preserved! :P

......Bollocks.

+1 Without the ruthless nature that comes with Survival of the Fittest, we wouldn't have evolved much. Still, the acid I've done in my days keeps me too empathetic
Title: Re: Seriously....WTF is the deal with these Pakistani honour kidnappings?!
Post by: Limetless on July 04, 2012, 06:24 am
Exactly. There is no such thing as equality even in our supposedly enlightened and equal society. It's survival of the shittest and every individual has their place in the chain.

Harsh...but true.
Title: Re: Seriously....WTF is the deal with these Pakistani honour kidnappings?!
Post by: bladen on July 04, 2012, 08:05 am
Hey Lim, what's the name of that documentary?
Title: Re: Seriously....WTF is the deal with these Pakistani honour kidnappings?!
Post by: Limetless on July 04, 2012, 08:26 am
Hey Lim, what's the name of that documentary?

Go on BBC Iplayer (use HMA VPN if you aren't in the U.K and set your IP to the U.K) and look up BBC3 and it was on at like 4am today after the repeat of Can We Trust The Police?
Title: Re: Seriously....WTF is the deal with these Pakistani honour kidnappings?!
Post by: geedogg on July 04, 2012, 09:06 am
I find the whole honour killing/kidnapping I just can't get my head around.......

I mean how the fuck could you do that shit to someone you love or your own flesh and blood!!??

On marriages, I ask the muslims at work about this shit all the time...They really seem to go along with this shit...they're like, 'she shouldn't disrespect her family like that, or she deserved it' and the whole women as second class citizens thing really gets my goat too....

Islam is a strange religion and a lot of muslim countries have strange cultures...if you ask me. Westerners will never understand that shit! We just have totally different ways of life, though the UK born Indians or Pakistanis are starting to become more westernized as the generations go along.....
Title: Re: Seriously....WTF is the deal with these Pakistani honour kidnappings?!
Post by: Limetless on July 04, 2012, 09:18 am
I find the whole honour killing/kidnapping I just can't get my head around.......

I mean how the fuck could you do that shit to someone you love or your own flesh and blood!!??

On marriages, I ask the muslims at work about this shit all the time...They really seem to go along with this shit...they're like, 'she shouldn't disrespect her family like that, or she deserved it' and the whole women as second class citizens thing really gets my goat too....

Islam is a strange religion and a lot of muslim countries have strange cultures...if you ask me. Westerners will never understand that shit! We just have totally different ways of life, though the UK born Indians or Pakistanis are starting to become more westernized as the generations go along.....

I will say that not all Muslims are like that, I know a lot of Muslims and I wouldn't associate with them if they were like that. I think it depends which region of the U.K you are in too, for example in Bradford and up North in general it's more prevalent than in the Islamic communities in the South.
Title: Re: Seriously....WTF is the deal with these Pakistani honour kidnappings?!
Post by: Kappacino on July 04, 2012, 09:23 am
It's backward culture and their filthy religion.

Sorry, just true.

When you have a culture that is based on INSANE principles and the ramblings of a pedophilic epileptic peasant, this sort of stuff is just the abstractions that naturally arise from it.

So it starts off as all praise be to God, and soon enough it develops into these strict moral codes of discipline and tradition. Religion isn't even the cause here, it's just the EXCUSE used by insecure, jealous, cuckolded men, to oppress women's sexuality and expression. So they develop these structures of oppression, one of which is arranged marriages, another is veiling women.. It all comes from fear of women's sexuality.

And they excuse themselves by saying its about "respect" and "tradition".. Which is true. It's about respect and tradition, within a culture that shits all over a true notion of respect, because they're blinded by their vapid traditions.

Yeah Lim, I know a lot of muslims too. Got Pakistani blood in me a few generations back.The ones that generally don't care, are the ones that have been the most westernized, and live by western values of hedonism.

For example I used to know a guy that if pressed, would say he really did believe in Mohammed and the Kuran/Hadith etc (and I'm sure in his own mind he was certain that he did), but then on the weekend would be banging out lines of coke with me and macking on chicks. I'd ask.. isn't that hiram? And he'd say.. Yeah, but Allah will forgive me.

So he couldn't manage his life by saying, I don't believe in this stuff, because it's his whole family etc. So he'd keep up appearances and have a vague belief in a creator and a divine plan, but really, he knew that his own religion wasn't really practicable in all its specifics. These are the people I refer to when I say they are "most westernized"

Title: Re: Seriously....WTF is the deal with these Pakistani honour kidnappings?!
Post by: Limetless on July 04, 2012, 09:36 am
Yeah but that is the same with all religions. If everyone practiced them to the letter the world wouldn't function lol.
Title: Re: Seriously....WTF is the deal with these Pakistani honour kidnappings?!
Post by: geedogg on July 04, 2012, 09:44 am
Yes I have to say that not ALL muslims are this way. It is a generalization but is a common way of life for a lot of people especially outside of the UK. Here, they have to at least kind of integrate and live by the laws of our land, not sharia law. Though in highly concentrated asian areas of the UK like Bradford, parts of West Midlands, Southall, areas of the East End London, it is basically like a little asia in those places and they live as though still in their own countries. I think it is these area's where this behaviour is taking place.

Its a very hot topic and stirs a lot of emotions as it is extreme behaviour!!
Title: Re: Seriously....WTF is the deal with these Pakistani honour kidnappings?!
Post by: Kappacino on July 04, 2012, 10:08 am
Notice how with criticism of Islam we have to hedge our bets and constantly assert that we aren't talking about all muslims, to avoid being accused of racism.

Gotta love political correctness
Title: Re: Seriously....WTF is the deal with these Pakistani honour kidnappings?!
Post by: Limetless on July 04, 2012, 10:12 am
Yeah, the irony is though that places like India have progressed so the Indian's here act more conservative than their family in India that they try to emulate.

Pakistan has moved on a bit but tbh, they are still pretty nuts there.

Lol yeah that does piss me off but to be fair I do hang around decent Muslims so that's why I said it. I hate how when Islam A RELIGION is criticized then people sling "Racist" at you. How the fuck is being a Muslim a race? That's like saying you are automatically white if you are Christian. FML.
Title: Re: Seriously....WTF is the deal with these Pakistani honour kidnappings?!
Post by: Kappacino on July 04, 2012, 10:18 am
Yeah, the irony is though that places like India have progressed so the Indian's here act more conservative than their family in India that they try to emulate.

Pakistan has moved on a bit but tbh, they are still pretty nuts there.

Lol yeah that does piss me off but to be fair I do hang around decent Muslims so that's why I said it. I hate how when Islam A RELIGION is criticized then people sling "Racist" at you. How the fuck is being a Muslim a race? That's like saying you are automatically white if you are Christian. FML.

I know lol.. It actually IS racist to accuse people of racism for criticising Islam.
Title: Re: Seriously....WTF is the deal with these Pakistani honour kidnappings?!
Post by: geedogg on July 04, 2012, 10:19 am
yeah ya right Kapp....But we are English aint we?? We're the pinnacle of political correctness!! lol

But what you have to remember is that it is cultural rather than religious, these kidnappings or killings.
Title: Re: Seriously....WTF is the deal with these Pakistani honour kidnappings?!
Post by: Kappacino on July 04, 2012, 10:23 am
yeah ya right Kapp....But we are English aint we?? We're the pinnacle of political correctness!! lol

But what you have to remember is that it is cultural rather than religious, these kidnappings or killings.

I don't believe in that distinction.

The religion is THE crucial part in the culture. Have a problem? Go to the mullah.. Can I shake hands with an old woman? Ask the mullah.. (I've genuinely seen hour long debates on youtube between different sects of Islam concerning whether it is okay to touch the skin of an old woman) Should I veil my wife? Ask the mullah.. Can I eat this food? No.. But if unsure, ask the mullah. How many times should I pray a day? Ask the mullah..

The religion and culture is inseparable. And the culture of women-hating, oppressive males, has prospered, under a barbaric religion that claims it is the answer to everything.

Title: Re: Seriously....WTF is the deal with these Pakistani honour kidnappings?!
Post by: Limetless on July 04, 2012, 10:25 am
Fuck it, I can't take this political correctness bullshit anymore, I'm off out to do an honour killing.
Title: Re: Seriously....WTF is the deal with these Pakistani honour kidnappings?!
Post by: geedogg on July 04, 2012, 10:26 am
Yeah I hear ya bro....But non muslims also behave this way in parts of the world.....thats why I say this.
Title: Re: Seriously....WTF is the deal with these Pakistani honour kidnappings?!
Post by: sdesu on July 04, 2012, 10:48 am
It would be like mixing muggles and wizards. Nobody likes a half-blood.

sdesu

Title: Re: Seriously....WTF is the deal with these Pakistani honour kidnappings?!
Post by: Caparino on July 05, 2012, 06:01 am
It would be like mixing muggles and wizards. Nobody likes a half-blood.

sdesu

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Title: Re: Seriously....WTF is the deal with these Pakistani honour kidnappings?!
Post by: Twelve_Pickles on July 05, 2012, 01:40 pm
i think its a massive shame that a proportion of Islam resides im the 5th century.its probably the most powerful modern religeon that has failed to adapt to modernity.

i may get neg karma for this but at least parts of the church have tried taking steps towards the future.
the catholics still have a long way to go,

biggest trouble in Islam is the difficulty they have in seperating religeon and state, Turkey have done so but with great difficulty.

its such a shame that the core messages of all religeon have been forgotten by the majority of their followers:


peace, love & respect to others, the importance of community and support & the furthering of the self; both mental, physical & spiritual.