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Discussion => Off topic => Topic started by: willwham1 on October 10, 2012, 12:32 am
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Well all,
I am biting the big one and going to my meth clinic for my daily fix as I cannot go on like this any longer. I now have a 20 bag a day habit and my body's a mess, my mind is shot, and i never get high. I do NOT wanna die on heroin, I want to get high :oon it and I ALWAYS go to the extreme....God always shows me this but I am so dumb I have to keep trying it over and over.
Just thought I'd thro it out there cuz so many others are feeling that way too, tired of the merry go round game and spending way way way tooo much money on a habit that aint as fun as it used to be.
All input is appreciated! 8)
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Nice man! Good luck and happy road to harm reduction! (currently on suboxone, it's tough)
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Thanks DF...yea no matter what raod one chooses, it hurts cuz I always miss the high and am chasing it constantly....gotta get off this train tho!
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Thanks DF...yea no matter what raod one chooses, it hurts cuz I always miss the high and am chasing it constantly....gotta get off this train tho!
Yeah, we all come off the rails sooner or later. I realized that when I was doing 400mg's+ of oxycodone every dosage.
my tolerance was getting too much for me.
I went on suboxone therapy last week. So far, so good :)
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Well all,
I am biting the big one and going to my meth clinic for my daily fix as I cannot go on like this any longer. I now have a 20 bag a day habit and my body's a mess, my mind is shot, and i never get high. I do NOT wanna die on heroin, I want to get high :oon it and I ALWAYS go to the extreme....God always shows me this but I am so dumb I have to keep trying it over and over.
Just thought I'd thro it out there cuz so many others are feeling that way too, tired of the merry go round game and spending way way way tooo much money on a habit that aint as fun as it used to be.
All input is appreciated! 8)
That's great to hear man! I was on Methadone for a year and I did much better on it then I did on Suboxone....I loved Methadone and the clinic I went to had some great counselors and shit that really helped me out.
I had about a 1/2 to 1 gram/daily habit and was able to get myself stabilized on only 60mg Methadone/daily.
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Well all,
I am biting the big one and going to my meth clinic for my daily fix as I cannot go on like this any longer. I now have a 20 bag a day habit and my body's a mess, my mind is shot, and i never get high. I do NOT wanna die on heroin, I want to get high :oon it and I ALWAYS go to the extreme....God always shows me this but I am so dumb I have to keep trying it over and over.
Just thought I'd thro it out there cuz so many others are feeling that way too, tired of the merry go round game and spending way way way tooo much money on a habit that aint as fun as it used to be.
All input is appreciated! 8)
That's great to hear man! I was on Methadone for a year and I did much better on it then I did on Suboxone....I loved Methadone and the clinic I went to had some great counselors and shit that really helped me out.
I had about a 1/2 to 1 gram/daily habit and was able to get myself stabilized on only 60mg Methadone/daily.
how is it better than suboxone?
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some people just react to subs or done differently
done is especially good for maintenance if you want to keep using or cant take not feeling slightly opiated
subs are best if you are actually trying to get off the shit, for many they just feel normal but not high, and many cant use other opis while using subs cause it blocks em
if you are on subs just get your dose down as low as possible as quick as possible. its a very potent opioid and you could fry the system if you maintain at 8 mg +, if you can get down below 2 mg it actually acts an agonist and you might even feel nice from it, but above that its a partial agonist that just blocks the receptor plus the half life is increased so you build it up in your system which makes getting off very difficult and you rattle much longer (like done w/d which is drawn out like crazy because of the long half life)
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some people just react to subs or done differently
done is especially good for maintenance if you want to keep using or cant take not feeling slightly opiated
subs are best if you are actually trying to get off the shit, for many they just feel normal but not high, and many cant use other opis while using subs cause it blocks em
if you are on subs just get your dose down as low as possible as quick as possible. its a very potent opioid and you could fry the system if you maintain at 8 mg +, if you can get down below 2 mg it actually acts an agonist and you might even feel nice from it, but above that its a partial agonist that just blocks the receptor plus the half life is increased so you build it up in your system which makes getting off very difficult and you rattle much longer (like done w/d which is drawn out like crazy because of the long half life)
Thank you very much for the info RNA! I think I might start cutting down on my dosage then! I get the 8mg strips 1/day! Maybe I should try less?
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its hard to say because everyone reacts differently, but i recommend you do a little reading on bup cause its a funny drug. not many others switch from agonist and increase their half-life in the same disproportional way
the thing is some people have really bad withdrawals from subs, but one reason is because they are taking ridiculous doses and with the half-life it lasts a long time. if you reduce the dosage, the half life is reduced significantly so the withdrawal will be shorter
some docs maintain on like 16 or even 32 mg which is crazy... if it was me i would try to cut back. since youve stabilized it should be relatively easy to get down to 4 mg a few days, then to 2 mg. 2 mg is around the best dose before the partial agonist properties kick in. below 2 it gets more difficult because it acts as a full agonist, so take your time and reduce down slowly, maybe to 1.5, then 1 mg... eventually to 1 mg every other day if you can. at this point some jump without issues but others need to reduce down to .5 and then even .25 mg every other day or so. the slower the taper the more painless. a few lucky people will even start to get mild enjoyable opiate effects at these doses
another thing about getting the dose down below 2 mg is the reduce half life means one can take subs and later that day or definitely the next theyre able to take a full agonist without the blocking effect. doses around 8 mg can require 2-3 days for some people before they are able to get results from their DOC. the reduced half life means you have to dose the sub more often though too
dont tell you doctor though, just say youre taking the 8 cause they never actually understand how the drug works (fucking morons to maintain above 8 mg) plus when you get down to a mg or 2, you can save up your extra strips for a rainy day or to sell
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Well said Micro. I've always found the transition onto Subs to be really hard for the first 48 hours, unless you can get your Heroin use down to a lowish level before you start them. But as Micro says, there really is no need to be on anything much higher than 8mgs. And once your comfortable on 8mg (usually in the first week), you can quiet rapidly reduce to around 2mg. Because I used to rattle real bad for the first 48 hours I would just go straight to the 2mgs anyway, although I wouldn't recommend this for everyone. I can't stress enough how much easier they are to cross over to if you reduce your daily H use first.
Subs are one drug that people really react differently too. Some like them, and others (like me) can't stand them. I grew to hate them in the end. Give me Methadone any day (and possibly everyday). It pisses me off when Russel Brand goes round saying Methadone maintenance is a waste of time. It's totally stabilized my life, I don't take H for weeks on end, go to work, good relationships etc. Everyone is different.
Peace Willwham, good luck. :)
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Thanks all...you guys are a good type of peeps to have in ones corner...I went there today and they said I have to come back Monday as I have benzos in my system....I forgot they NEVER mess with ppl on them since it can stop your breathing. Now I had to go and get another BRICK of stamps in the City!! I aint got this type of $$ to keep this up...I got a family and a biz AND I am in college...what a mid life fuckin crisis! Oh well, now maybe I can get some REAL #4 afghan....where is it and can I get it expressed!!??
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now maybe I can get some REAL #4 afghan....where is it and can I get it expressed!!??
That's what I'm saying!! :)
Afghan = by far favorite
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Update all,
No methadone yet :( They will not put me on it until the benzo's I like so much are out of my system sooooo the monster habit is still consuming me, and hard. I keep getting a brick every three days, thats killing me, so now I am trying the cut in half every dose trick and not use until sick....easier said than done.....I will try to get into the clinic again Monday.
Also, the Peopls Drug Store is RIPPING ME OFF! They never sent my order which I ordered 2 weeks ago and now say they forgot...I said I wanted refund as they offered but now they wont even talk!!!! WATCH OUT, this is your warning....PDS is going down they are ripping ppl off!!!!