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Yeap u heard right GOT TO TALK TO THE CHIEF THAT GOT CAUGHT IN FLORIDA BACK IN 04 THE CIS VERSION IS BANNED BUT THE TRANS IS LEGAL.HE HAS EVEN RELEASED THE SYTHN ON HOW TO MAKE IT TRANS VERSION WHICH HE RECKONS IS STRONGER ITS A PIECE OF PISS TO DO
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got any links?
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LOOK UP ON OTHER SITES EG TOTSE OR GOOGLE IT ITS ALL THERE
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Doesn't synthesizing it produce cyanide gas though? Easy but you'll kill yourself if you aren't quite careful?
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You are technically right yes, Trans-4-Mar (anyone noticed that sounds like Transformer with a dodgy accent? Just me? Anyone think those films were shit? Anyone think Michael Bay is really a very talentless director and uses CGI to make up for his shortcomings? Anyone get a blow job out being made to watch one of the films with their ex? Anyone thinks Shia LeBouf is overrated as an actor? Anyone think I should stop asking these unrelated questions and get back to the topic instead of going on these multiple tangents? Yeah I do) is legal and yes the synthesis is easy enough in theory because it's in essence just a reflux but the problem is the reaction creates potassium cyanide gas which is not only is a bi-product of the synthesis but also really effective at killing people in vast quantities if you are making it on a commercial scale. It's not even necessarily the reaction and containing the gas that is hard it's when it comes to getting rid of the gas that is difficult. If you release it into the atmosphere of your lab and wait for it to dissipate you lab becomes a poison room, if you take it and release it in or around any urban area because if you are running a lab it's quite likely you'll be in one, it will drift off and even if you release it down wind other people will be down wind. If you take it out into the country you could kill a fuck load of the local fauna by accident and if it goes near any water sources poison a fuck bunch of people down the line anyway.
So yeah, to make this you need to not only be a reasonable chemist but you also need to have worked out you chemical disposal to boot, otherwise you could quite literally kill yaself.
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Have you read the synth yourself Limeles its ITS ALOT SAFER THAN THE ORIGINAL ONE HAVE ANY OF U EVER MADE IT YOURSELF ITS NOT AS BAD AS YOU ALL CARRY ON TO BE THE MAN WHO CREATED THIS SYNTH IS A VERY SMART MAN EVEN THESE COCKSUCKERS AT DEA COULDN'T DO THE JOB RIGHT(Thread: Trans 4-Methylaminorex is legal in the USA! PSYHCONAUT.COM( Zoklet.net > Science > Flasks and Beakers
Trans 4-Methylaminorex via Potassium Cyanate LOOK FOR YOURSELFS BEFORE U PASS JUDGEMEWNT
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#1 07-05-2012, 01:00 AM
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Trans 4-Methylaminorex via Potassium Cyanate
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Chemicals:
28.2 g (0.15 moles) (+/-) norephedrine-HCl. NOTE: (+/-) norephedrine-HCl and (+/-) norspeudoephedrine all fall under the rubric of PPA. You want norephedrine, not norspeudoephedrine.
12.0 g potassium cyanate (KOCN)
172 ml 2M hydrochloric acid (HCl)
20% sodium carbonate (Na2CO3)
Dichloromethane (DCM)
Distilled water (dH2O)
Equipment:
500 ml flat bottom flask
Magnetic hotplate with stir bar
Thermometer
Put 28.2 g PPA-HCl in about 150 ml dH2O in your 500 ml Erlenmeyer. It should all dissolve easily. Next add 12.0 g KOCN and magnetically stir. About 75% of the KOCN should dissolve readily. Reflux the mixture directly on your hotplate. Hotplate should just be hot enough to boil your mixture. At about 35 deg C, all the KOCN should dissolve. Reflux for about 2.5 hours, then allow to cool to room temp. First you should notice a clear oil precipitating to the top. Further cooling will precipitate white flakes on the bottom. Place the flask in your freezer for about ½ hour or until temp drops to 5 deg C. Pour the solution into a pyrex dish and slowly evaporate over low heat. Do not evaporate completely. Next, place the solution back in your washed Erlenmeyer and add about 275 ml dH2O. It should dissolve slightly. Magnetically stir and begin heating the solution. Add 172 ml of 2M HCl and continue stirring and heating until just boiling. At about 50-60 deg C the white solution should turn clear again. Reflux again for about 2.5 hours magnetically stirring the whole time. Allow to cool to room temp. White powder will appear.
Wash the solution 3 times with a small amount of DCM. Isolate the water phase and basify it with your 20% Na2CO3 until no more white powder precipitates. Gravity filter the white powder and allow to dry at room temp with a fan or in an oven at low temp. Your yield should be about 15.5 g (+/-) trans 4-MAR freebase. If you want, you can make it water soluble by treating with HCl. I would not recommend taking more than 10 mg the first time as this is a very powerful drug. Enjoy.
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#2 07-21-2012, 06:36 PM
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Re: Trans 4-Methylaminorex via Potassium Cyanate
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Where can ppa be sourced?
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Re: Trans 4-Methylaminorex via Potassium Cyanate
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This seems quite simple. Perhaps deceptively so?
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With it being that easy and legal I can imagine this becoming quite popular.
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norephedrine pretty hard to get up here.
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#6 07-22-2012, 01:17 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lillix
This seems quite simple. Perhaps deceptively so?
It is simple to make, especially compared to drugs like meth and certainly much easier than MDMA. I don't know what you mean by "deceptively so." I'm not trying to make it appear any easier than it is. The only other drug I made that was easier than this was methcathinone. Not only is it easy, it's very safe as well. No toxic gases, no exothermic reactions that might cause an explosion, not even any suspicious odors. Just a mild musky damp odor like wet laundry. So you can imagine my delight the first time I succeeded in making this... I thought I discovered the secret of the universe!
THIS FROM THE MAN HIMSELF
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IT CREATES A DEADLY GAS, FUCKBRAIN.
It's not fucking simple. People die if you fuck up. LOTS OF PEOPLE. Shut the fuck up and fuck off.
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cant you read you dumb cunt and go fuckyourself gaylord
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Have you read the synth yourself Limeles its ITS ALOT SAFER THAN THE ORIGINAL ONE HAVE ANY OF U EVER MADE IT YOURSELF ITS NOT AS BAD AS YOU ALL CARRY ON TO BE THE MAN WHO CREATED THIS SYNTH IS A VERY SMART MAN EVEN THESE COCKSUCKERS AT DEA COULDN'T DO THE JOB RIGHT(Thread: Trans 4-Methylaminorex is legal in the USA! PSYHCONAUT.COM( Zoklet.net > Science > Flasks and Beakers
Trans 4-Methylaminorex via Potassium Cyanate LOOK FOR YOURSELFS BEFORE U PASS JUDGEMEWNT
Kid, I know how bad it is and thus I have already passed judgement so please, stop using caps and stop playing at chemist before you get yaself hurt lol.
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1 Im not your kid retart. 2 Before u try and belittle someone do your home work first on the mater homo 3KOCN is not dangerous. It WILL NOT produce cyanide gas.4 I have spoken to the man that invented this synth better living guy on other forums and they are his exact words go back to selling bullet proof vest and leave the the real science to the pro's
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1 Im not your kid retart. 2 Before u try and belittle someone do your home work first on the mater homo 3KOCN is not dangerous. It WILL NOT produce cyanide gas.4 I have spoken to the man that invented this synth better living guy on other forums and they are his exact words go back to selling bullet proof vest and leave the the real science to the pro's
That's what we're trying to do. CLEARLY, you aren't a pro. You're just trusting some random guy you met on the internet who says his method is safe.
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Nobody gives a shit about the trans isomer. I don't. The supreme court doesn't. That's why it's legal.
But I'd give my right nut for trans isomer.
Possibly the left nut instead (negotiable according to quality).
Chapman it's November buddy. Late is okay. In time for the holidays I hope. You haven't checked in for a while. Hopefully you're not in rehab and your "dad" didn't have to post 25k to keep you "out of jail" like that other dude.
I've had more faith in you since the beginning.
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1 Im not your kid retart. 2 Before u try and belittle someone do your home work first on the mater homo 3KOCN is not dangerous. It WILL NOT produce cyanide gas.4 I have spoken to the man that invented this synth better living guy on other forums and they are his exact words go back to selling bullet proof vest and leave the the real science to the pro's
Lol, then I suggest you go and tell your guy that your "guy" to go back to school because he's a fucking quack if he thinks it wont produce cyanide gas as a bi-product of the reflux. Get back in the play pen kid, leave this shit to the grown-ups. :)
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^^ What an amazing post.
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1 Im not your kid retart. 2 Before u try and belittle someone do your home work first on the mater homo 3KOCN is not dangerous. It WILL NOT produce cyanide gas.4 I have spoken to the man that invented this synth better living guy on other forums and they are his exact words go back to selling bullet proof vest and leave the the real science to the pro's
Lol, then I suggest you go and tell your guy that your "guy" to go back to school because he's a fucking quack if he thinks it wont produce cyanide gas as a bi-product of the reflux. Get back in the play pen kid, leave this shit to the grown-ups. :)
+1 because you're the shit
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I see only one solution: Breaking Bad style!
Get a RV car, and go deep into the desert of New Mexico! Not even kidding...that shit looks dangerous you really got to be cautious about your own health and other innocent people's health too...even more so.
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I see only one solution: Breaking Bad style!
Get a RV car, and go deep into the desert of New Mexico! Not even kidding...that shit looks dangerous you really got to be cautious about your own health and other innocent people's health too...even more so.
Lol it doesn't matter WHERE you do it per se, it more about having the right equipment to safely house the gas that's produced and then having the right contacts to dispose of it as well.
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Not sure if this is of use to anyone (judging by the quality of posts on this thread, most are lacking the competence)
IMO This could be the way forward
HCN + KOH → KCN + H2O
Then proceed as outlined below!
Cyanide disposal
Waste Cyanide Destruction by Potassium Permanganate
Potassium permanganate (KmnO4) is a well known oxidizing agent and has been reported to react with cyanide ions in alkaline or neutral media according to the following equation (see ref. 1):
2 MnO4-(aq)+ 3 CN-(aq) + H2O = 2 MnO2(s)+ 3 CNO-(aq) + 2 OH-(aq)
For each kilogram of cyanide to be oxidized requires 4.05 Kg of KMnO4. To enhance the cyanide oxidation rate, a catalytic amount of Cu(II) salt is found to be very effective. While using only KMnO4 as an oxidant cyanide levels did not drop much after 3-4 periods, but it came down to almost zero level after introduction of catalytic amount of CuSO4.5H2O salt.
To destroy the waste cyanide in the lab use the amount of oxidants required according to the equations shown below:
Amount of KmnO4(g) = V.[C). (4.05 x 10-3)
(where [C] is the cyanide concentration of ppm and V is the volume in litres)
Amount of Cu(SO4).5H20 = V.[C]. (2.5 x 10-4)
For example, when we have treated 100 ppm 25L cyanide waste with 10g KMnO4 and 0.6g CuS04.5H20, a cyanide probe shows more than 99% cyanide being disappeared in less than two hours.
To ensure complete oxidation of cyanide and metal cyanide complexes, it is better to keep permanganate treated waste cyanide standing overnight. It can then be disposed of as treated cyanide waste via the hazardous waste pickup.
Potassium cyanide and similar salts readily dissolve in water to give the free cyanide ion, which can be easily complexed or oxidised. For small amount (< 1g), use dilute neutral ferrous sulphate solution in a basin to wash gloves and apparatus; flush to drain with ample water.
Peace
L
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Cyanide salts should not be flushed into any drain which may contain or receive acid waste before being flushed very thoroughly!
Peace
L
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Not sure if this is of use to anyone (judging by the quality of posts on this thread, most are lacking the competence)
IMO This could be the way forward
HCN + KOH → KCN + H2O
Then proceed as outlined below!
Cyanide disposal
Waste Cyanide Destruction by Potassium Permanganate
Potassium permanganate (KmnO4) is a well known oxidizing agent and has been reported to react with cyanide ions in alkaline or neutral media according to the following equation (see ref. 1):
2 MnO4-(aq)+ 3 CN-(aq) + H2O = 2 MnO2(s)+ 3 CNO-(aq) + 2 OH-(aq)
For each kilogram of cyanide to be oxidized requires 4.05 Kg of KMnO4. To enhance the cyanide oxidation rate, a catalytic amount of Cu(II) salt is found to be very effective. While using only KMnO4 as an oxidant cyanide levels did not drop much after 3-4 periods, but it came down to almost zero level after introduction of catalytic amount of CuSO4.5H2O salt.
To destroy the waste cyanide in the lab use the amount of oxidants required according to the equations shown below:
Amount of KmnO4(g) = V.[C). (4.05 x 10-3)
(where [C] is the cyanide concentration of ppm and V is the volume in litres)
Amount of Cu(SO4).5H20 = V.[C]. (2.5 x 10-4)
For example, when we have treated 100 ppm 25L cyanide waste with 10g KMnO4 and 0.6g CuS04.5H20, a cyanide probe shows more than 99% cyanide being disappeared in less than two hours.
To ensure complete oxidation of cyanide and metal cyanide complexes, it is better to keep permanganate treated waste cyanide standing overnight. It can then be disposed of as treated cyanide waste via the hazardous waste pickup.
Potassium cyanide and similar salts readily dissolve in water to give the free cyanide ion, which can be easily complexed or oxidised. For small amount (< 1g), use dilute neutral ferrous sulphate solution in a basin to wash gloves and apparatus; flush to drain with ample water.
Peace
L
From a quick check your method looks correct but it's words, the logistics to do this on a commercial scale are much more difficult. This is why this drug isn't already on the shelves because synthesis and disposal are in theory easy enough but the practicalities behind them are what make it difficult to do.
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Anyone attempting this synthesis should have the appropriate level of laboratory experience / skill to dispose of the waste products responsibly, if not and they still attempt it they deserve to be exposed to HCN themselves!
I have said it before and will say it again.......I would really like a chem forum here on the road as would many others..Come on DPR!
Incidentally anyone know of a good darknet chem forum (PM's please)
Peace
L
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Apparently there is a market for your waste so salt that shit out whack it in a baggie and step right up
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=66664.0
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