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Title: What to do??
Post by: havetodecide on September 09, 2013, 10:43 pm
I'm facing at least 6 to 7 years in prison in USA.  I'm trying to decide to stay and do the time or leave.   I have no ties or family, so no issues there.  I have means of making money temporarily until i permanently leave the country.   Out on bond now, so I've gotta decide what to do.   Advice?   No passport, so I'd need a fake one once I finally get ready to leave.
Title: Re: What to do??
Post by: SmokesHisBroccoli on September 10, 2013, 12:04 am
Are you facing that time as a result of SR?  I'm afraid I don't have any advice it sounds like you know what to do.  Either do the time or run like hell!  I don't see any other options for you I'm afraid. 
Title: Re: What to do??
Post by: havetodecide on September 10, 2013, 12:30 am
yes, it is related to SR.  Caused a ton of other issues for me......I'm fucked. 
Title: Re: What to do??
Post by: TA on September 10, 2013, 12:41 am
Thats a chapter you have to write for yourself brother. What exactly happened? Anything we can learn from?
Title: Re: What to do??
Post by: NickNack on September 10, 2013, 01:11 am
Sorry to hear it man.

As I've said a few times here before, becoming a fugitive and fleeing the country should be your very last option.

I know getting busted kinda puts you into shock, you think you're fucked, and your first impulse it to just get the fuck out... but try and relax.  Is 6 or 7 years the maximum penalty if convicted?... or is this what others in jail told you?... or is this what your attorney tells you?  You have an attorney, right?  If not, get one immediately.  Sometimes they can make miracles happen... and even if they don't make a miracle happen, most likely he'll be able to knock it down a class at least, or more... giving you a lesser sentence.  Eventually, even if you're attorney hasn't destroyed the case somehow, you'll be offed a plea deal... I'd say at least wait till then perhaps.  And If the prosecutor is tired enough of dealing with your attorney, the deal may be really sweet.  1st time offender, you're young, you were going to school, productive member of society up until this etc.... fuck, you can possibly get work release or into some other stupid BS program.  You'd be amazed. 

Time wise... From what I remember, federal sentencing forces you to serve 85% of your sentence... while most states only force you to do like 50% or so.  (maybe a bit less, maybe a bit more).  So say you were convicted and sentenced to 6 years, most likely you'd only do 3.  Unless it's federal.

Trials typically take a while (if you have an attorney at least)... like my trial, it went on for a year and a half, and even then my attorney could have strung it out more.  It depends on your locale.  My point is though, you should have some time to feel out your case... your attorney has some time to go through the evidence etc.  Who knows, maybe the cops fucked up some paperwork etc. that you haven't noticed yet etc.  Immediately running without even looking into this stuff is just stupid.   And out of all the threads similar to this one, all of whom talked about staying connected to SR after deciding to run, I've never seen them repost. 

A bit of time really isn't that difficult to do, if you have to do it.   I'm sure the overwhelming consensus from people who've never been through this, is going to be to tell you to run.  It's like everyone thinks it's easy, like life is a movie or something.   But it's not.  The slightest slip up, random occurrence, accident, or whatever, will fuck you.  Well, unless you're from/in some country that doesn't extradite to the US of course.   And if you run, we'll be smart about it... plan and research.

Couple examples of what I've seen: 
I seen a guy get off a murder conviction with 6 months time already served, due to paperwork error... smiling from ear to ear right at the victim's family/judge.  In my first stop in prison, where I was waiting for my prison assignment... like which prison you'll ultimately be going to... there was a dude in there, he raped and killed two members of the same family (according to the CO's)... dude only got like a year for some fucked up reason that idk.  Shit's crazy, man.

Stay positive... it's not going to help if you go all fatalist and such.
Title: Re: What to do??
Post by: Purple_Hue000 on September 10, 2013, 01:25 am
damn this is crazy. Well honestly dude just run like hell. Gather supplies, get rid of your phones, credit cards etc. And Drive like hell up north into Canada or down south into Mexico. Would you really wanna be locked up in a cage with a bunch of wild animals? fuck that. Just hit the road and live as a fugitive. It'll be a wild ass adventure but totally worth it.  Trust me
Title: Re: What to do??
Post by: havetodecide on September 10, 2013, 01:33 am
Not federal charges.  Its state, and there is minimum guidelines.  Have an excellent lawyer, and its still gonna be 6.5 if i'm lucky.   Trying to make an example out of me.  And I have the best lawyer money could buy at this point. 

And to top all this shit off, after I got into trouble....and saved my girls ass from taking any....i found out she was cheating on me for like the past 9 months, and while i was dealing with this shit.   So yea, no ties. 

Pretty pissed and in a daze at this point.   

I have some good ideas to flee, but its nerve wrecking to take that first step.   
Title: Re: What to do??
Post by: Anonyguy on September 10, 2013, 01:38 am
yes, it is related to SR.  Caused a ton of other issues for me......I'm fucked.
Would you care to explain how you think you got caught?
Title: Re: What to do??
Post by: havetodecide on September 10, 2013, 01:40 am
I don't wanna give any details....but it involved a CD. 
Title: Re: What to do??
Post by: Purple_Hue000 on September 10, 2013, 01:47 am
I don't wanna give any details....but it involved a CD.

Were you ordering large amounts of Schedule 1 substances? 

You should just really get the fuck outta there and just flee. Do you really wanna be locked up in prison? you'll probably come out worst than when you went in. You should just pack your bags and think about fleeing as far away as possible and staying off the grid.
Title: Re: What to do??
Post by: havetodecide on September 10, 2013, 01:56 am
It was large amounts.   I'd have plenty of money on my books to live somewhat decent there, and to start over when i got out, which is tied up in bond and i won't have that if i leave.

I know I can do this...its just nerve wrecking to make that first step. 
Title: Re: What to do??
Post by: NickNack on September 10, 2013, 02:11 am
Not federal charges.  Its state, and there is minimum guidelines.  Have an excellent lawyer, and its still gonna be 6.5 if i'm lucky.   Trying to make an example out of me.  And I have the best lawyer money could buy at this point. 

And to top all this shit off, after I got into trouble....and saved my girls ass from taking any....i found out she was cheating on me for like the past 9 months, and while i was dealing with this shit.   So yea, no ties. 

Pretty pissed and in a daze at this point.   

I have some good ideas to flee, but its nerve wrecking to take that first step.
Oh, that fuck'n bitch!  She better be paying your ass off to not give her up, or something.

6.5... well I'm not sure which state your in (don't tell me)... I've seen first time offenders get as much as 8 years and get only a 4 month boot camp, plus the time to wait for their slot to open up... so like 8-9 months inside total?  But they didn't have the DA gunning for their ass looking to make an example of them.  And these sort of programs aren't offered in every state.   If your state makes you only serve 50%, 3 years is doable.  Like when you were in the jail, they didn't toss you in maximum security with the serial killer rapists, right?  As long as you don't have to go to a max security prison.  Lesser prisons can be like going to summer camp; Cable TV, music, read a lot, you can buy your own real world food at the commissary, cook in your cell... get a job in the kitchen for even more privileges and to make time pass by quicker.

But if you're considered max security, that's another story.  Fuck that shit.  I wouldn't want to do any time at all in max/super max.

If you do flee, just make sure you have your shit together... every single detail.   Cause if they already want to make an example of you, if you get caught, you're most likely doing much more than just 3 years inside... and worst of all, since you fled, I'm pretty sure you'd be tossed in max security with the rapist killer sodomites.   (you've shown that you'll flee and try to escape)  So don't get caught.

Either way... I wish you luck, sir.
Title: Re: What to do??
Post by: havetodecide on September 10, 2013, 02:34 am
I'd be minimum security.   But that 6 1/2 years is with good time, etc.   Min. sentencing guidelines are fucking BS.

Yeah, my girl, when i was locked up, was like i'll wait for you....that bitch was fucking the guy she had been talking to for the past 9 months.  So I got out, didn't know what was going on, and found them two together (not in the act)....but shes been trying to get me back in trouble by making calls on me.  Fucking bitch.  Took a bunch of my money and belongings...been paying more attorney fees to fight to get my things back.   Just really fucking pissed.

Title: Re: What to do??
Post by: NickNack on September 10, 2013, 03:57 am
Sorry, I misunderstood...

6.5 on the inside, fuck, that's a chunk.  Idk what I'd do, that's a big decision.  12-14 year sentence or whatever... shit, any felony... job wise afterward you're fucked here in the US anyhow... unless you find a wiling McD's that employs felons.  Everybody runs backgrounds now, at least where I'm at. 

Whatever you do though, I hope you can safely burn that bitch beforehand.
Title: Re: What to do??
Post by: havetodecide on September 10, 2013, 06:35 am
Sorry, I misunderstood...

6.5 on the inside, fuck, that's a chunk.  Idk what I'd do, that's a big decision.  12-14 year sentence or whatever... shit, any felony... job wise afterward you're fucked here in the US anyhow... unless you find a wiling McD's that employs felons.  Everybody runs backgrounds now, at least where I'm at. 

Whatever you do though, I hope you can safely burn that bitch beforehand.

Yea, I'm leaving the US at some point.  Either before or after.   I have enough cash tied up in bond to start over when i get out, and will probably get me further in another country, and get a hot new wife.

Best bet would be to have a decent fake id, etc.....cross over to mexico, and then fly out from there with a decent fake passport...never to return.

I've been fightin' that bitch since...she's already moved in with another guy, and I never even got any closure or to ask WTF!!?

Anyways....keep the advice coming guys.  And any good ideas to get out please PM me to keep them private.
Title: Re: What to do??
Post by: TA on September 10, 2013, 06:50 am
Dude if you run, take a tails usb with you and keep us updated. Kind of a shitty request I know. So the plan is to head south then? Ive never crossed the border to Mexico so idk how it is. But If your worried about getting caught up there I might have an idea for you. Let me know
Title: Re: What to do??
Post by: fuckmadagascar on September 10, 2013, 09:56 am
I don't know what to say here. Fleeing gives me all kinds of bad feelings, and going in does too - though less so, since there's a light at the end of the tunnel there.

In one sense, going in is taking a certain route, where you will eventually be back on the outside doing whatever you'll be doing, though as mentioned before likely without a great job. Unless you're selling drugs or something. ;)

Anyway, if you're looking to weigh the community vote, put me down for NOT fleeing. Because since you're still considering one way or another, that tells me that you haven't had the time or need to plan for this exact situation, where you'd need to be able to escape the country unseen, and stay off the grid in another country that speaks your language, and preferably that won't extradite you if/when found. Putting together a hasty plan and having it backfire could be the single worst thing you could do here.

Of course, take this with a grain of salt, as always. I'm simply giving what I believe to be the most rational and practical thoughts on this situation with the information provided. Going in, there are always chances that as mentioned, your time served could be shortened by some technicality or something. If you flee, it's all or nothing, and no flexibility.

Best of luck to you in any and all decisions you make from here on out.
Title: Re: What to do??
Post by: Anonyguy on September 10, 2013, 08:15 pm
If you have six years to do, rather than 10 or 20, I'd just serve the time.  Leaving should only be seriously considered if you've had a plan in place long before you got caught. Trying to acquire a decent identity and trying to cross borders, or travel at all, will be much harder if not impossible to get away with if you're trying to set it all up AFTER you're already in trouble.
Title: Re: What to do??
Post by: gharaniq on September 12, 2013, 01:13 am
6.5 years in minimum security vs a lifetime on the run with the possibility of being caught and doing even more time constantly hanging over your head. I think doing the time is the hard but wise choice.
Title: Re: What to do??
Post by: ChemCat on September 12, 2013, 02:27 am
Mexico is Not a good option.....if your crime weighs enough they will have you kidnapped...brazil...peru and guatamala would be good to a point... switzerland..if you can get there and remain anonymous is also good...

I don't think that we need to tell you these things...however...if you have to run...be sure to place money in multiple accounts with usable false identities...be diligent in what you do from this point on, and ALWAYS be AWARE of your surroundings...

Good Luck!

Love & Hugs to you,

ChemCat

  O0
Title: Re: What to do??
Post by: ChemCat on September 12, 2013, 02:31 am
6.5 years?

In a minimum Security Prison?

Hmmmm....  You'll get "Good Time" and if you take programs within the facility you will get more time knocked off...

Make your decision ..and make it well...Like i said before...Be Diligent in your Research on this before you Act.

Peace, Hugs & Good Luck To You,

ChemCat

  O0

Title: Re: What to do??
Post by: ChemCat on September 12, 2013, 02:42 am
Philippines...possibly the best place..morocco and maybe vietnam...the real question is...how do you intend on leaving the US...if you're in the US ???
Title: Re: What to do??
Post by: havetodecide on September 12, 2013, 03:18 am
6.5 years is with good time, etc.  The min sentencing guidelines suck.

chemcat...check your pms.
Title: Re: What to do??
Post by: ChemCat on September 12, 2013, 03:31 am
i responded to your PM.

Remember...even with "Good Time"  the facilities have programs....like i said in my response to your PM..think this over carefully...if ya run...they won't be as lenient on you...ya know?  However...if you must run..get yur cash up...stay out of the public...be diligent in your research...educate yourself...and burn all ties to your family and friends that you now have...look Friend...if you run..it'll be tougher on you as you get older than just doing the time...that's just my 0.02 BTC's  Weigh your options...do not act in haste....6.5 with good time...you do some programs you will have maybe 4...then you do all of that in a county jail (most allow you to do 5)  then you can get ...sometimes..a day for a day...depending on where you're at...
Title: Re: What to do??
Post by: havetodecide on September 12, 2013, 03:37 am
County sucks.  Prison is actually much better, you can lead a somewhat 'normal' life.   

I just can't bare the thought of waking up in a fucking cell for 6 years. 
Title: Re: What to do??
Post by: ChemCat on September 12, 2013, 03:44 am
like i said, i don't think you will do the whole 6.5 years..from this point forward...pm me with PGP.

I'll help if i can. Other than that...you know what to do...
Title: Re: What to do??
Post by: ChemCat on September 12, 2013, 03:48 am
Quote from: havetodecide
County sucks.  Prison is actually much better, you can lead a somewhat 'normal' life.   

I just can't bare the thought of waking up in a fucking cell for 6 years.

If you do the time,in a state facility.. make sure that ya get a job in in the library...clothing shop or laundry..those pay the best...kitchen pays around .45 cents per hour if you get a cutting job...but don't count on that.

From here on out...if you decide to run...LEARN PGP  and use it ...we'll be here...
Title: Re: What to do??
Post by: havetodecide on September 12, 2013, 03:50 am
Will do.  Thanks chem.
Title: Re: What to do??
Post by: ChemCat on September 12, 2013, 03:55 am
Good Luck, Friend.

I am stopping all contact unless through PGP.

You'll be in my prayers....Remember...those that fail..do so through contacting past acquaintances ....


Title: Re: What to do??
Post by: ChemCat on September 12, 2013, 03:58 am
I will say this in closing....if you succeed ...please get ahold of me....through SR...with PGP  I might join ya  :P


Good Luck Friend!


Love & Hugs to ya,

ChemCat

  O0
Title: Re: What to do??
Post by: ChemCat on September 12, 2013, 04:33 am
No offense to you,  the last two msgs from you told m that you will get caught...point ..blank..and ...period...like i said...i mean no offense ..to you...no malice or discontent towards you...however...using the msg system which you have ...will get you  caught...man oh man...listen here...if you are to do this..then get off of these forums and do as told...no more msg's...i'll be quite honest with you at this point...the online pgp system that you used..will gt you nailed...point ...blank..and...period...!!!!

And Don't Call Me Dude. 

My Name Is ChemCat

I have No Clue if you're Male or Female...once again..no offense meant towards you....however...you need to educate yourself on certain matters...i do not care how long ya been on the Silk Road....you've just shown me that you will Fail...unless you change your habits....Period...I'll say it again...what i've just said...i mean no malice or discontent towards you...so please take this to heart....learn PGP do not use what you're using now.
Title: Re: What to do??
Post by: fuckmadagascar on September 13, 2013, 07:27 am
ChemCat, you're a good person. I like you.

I know I'm jacking anothers thread, but I figured I should share my thought. :)
Title: Re: What to do??
Post by: Chewable on September 16, 2013, 02:55 am
Put all your money in a money market or some high yielding fund and do the time. it will go by fast and once your out. you get to leave this country with no strings attached. Find a good man while in prison, it will help with the time...sucking cock is not so bad once you get used to it.  plus you can get straight, maybe study for a degree. 

if you run you will never rest. always looking to see who is watching you. Thats no fun..in this age of electronics it gets harder and harder to vanish. stop running and rest.   
Title: Re: What to do??
Post by: Sir William Wonka on September 16, 2013, 03:30 am
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Title: Re: What to do??
Post by: blacksmith on September 16, 2013, 03:54 am
Just wondering, Did you buying BTC in any way get you cought?i just feel like btc are not anony.
Title: Re: What to do??
Post by: jentyb on September 17, 2013, 03:31 am
Honestly man i've never been to jail and damn sure wouldn't wanna go for a year a few months i'd gut it out but minimum 6.5 i'd gtfo and fast cancel credit cards close bank accounts sell what you can for money and go to california you can walk across the mexico boarder if I'm not mistaken. Go there and then plan your next move. No way in fuck would i wanna go for that long..
Title: Re: What to do??
Post by: zerik on September 17, 2013, 06:04 am
It's hard to say what to. Your the one that has to do the time so only you can decide what to do.

You haven't been convicted yet so when you get out on bail you may want to let the trial play out a bit longer. Once you run you will have foreclosed any other options.

If you run can you survive? Another thing to consider is how hard will they look for you? Will they pay the cost of extradition if you do get caught? If caught you could well face additional charges which can carry a stiffer penalty.

Of course staying means you will go to prison. From what you are saying you will do some time in prison even if it is not 6 years. IDK what minimum security prisons are like where you are.

Depending on a variety of factors you could well have a productive life after prison.

There are points either way and you are the one that has to do the time or live on the run. I don't know what I would do in your place.

I honestly don't believe a a word in this thread but figured I would give my 2 cents anyway.

If true I hope things work out for the best.
Title: Re: What to do??
Post by: havetodecide on September 17, 2013, 07:10 am
I may just do the time.  I'm pretty fuckin' beat down through all this....especially with the whole gf thing, thats mind fucked me too.   A range of emotions daily.....from wanting to off myself, to thinking i will run, and then thinking i will just do the time.

Title: Re: What to do??
Post by: Edawg420 on September 17, 2013, 03:00 pm
This would be a no brainer for me.  If i had the means to GTFO i would.  Sounds like you have some money stashed up.  I personally couldn't imagine 6 years of my fucking life gone due to drugs...its absolute bull crap.

If you have the money and the means to get out, then do it.  There are plenty of other countries in the world to live, and if it isn't federal, then you might even get lucky just fleeing to another state, far far away.

I've known ex meth convicts who fled California, never to return.  They say they still have bench warrants for them.

This sucks man, just out of curiosity, does a CD have to be signed for?  Or can they just watch the package until it is taken into possession of the receiver?

I only ask because i figured as long as i never signed for ANYTHING, they really couldn't prove i acknowledged the package was mine.

Probably something that would be fought out in court, but still, i would like to know how to deal with a CD.

GL brotha,

Edawg420
Title: Re: What to do??
Post by: DrMDA on September 17, 2013, 11:23 pm
I feel for ya. I have determined 5 years to be my tolerance cutoff. Less than that I'm doing, more then that I don't think so. In the grand scheme of things 7 years really is not that long, on the other hand life is really short. I think your state matters. Prison experience from state to state differ greatly. Some aren't too bad, others are outright awful (ie Cali). Feds are awesome (as far as prison goes) but you've already said it's state.
Title: Re: What to do??
Post by: PinnacleGoods on September 18, 2013, 10:12 am
Do the time, friend, you would be running forever, and never get away.  Without people to help hide and protect you should you make it to a few potential destinations, no six figure rainy day fund will last you two years running...  Hide money, save money, use the time, don't let the time use you. You are making the decision now, don't let the situation become one where you don't get to make the decision.  If you run, and get caught, you don't get to make the decision.  If you do the time, you made the decision, and you exercised your power in that limited way...

Besides if laws change, and you would have been released early or had a conviction overturned, that's out the window when you decide to run.  So is the good deal it sounds like you've worked for...  Play it safe this time and do the time, you will thank yourself later
Title: Re: What to do??
Post by: DrMDA on September 19, 2013, 12:41 am
Hey if you do decide to run make sure you ask your lawyer which is better to have open-ended, a binding plea or a trail date. If you have already plead it might be worth your time to file a motion to remove your plea in order to get a trail date that way if 15 years from now you do get caught then instead of automatically getting the 7 years you might just be back to square one and be dealing with less of an asshole of a prosecutor or their evidence or witnesses may be long gone.
Title: Re: What to do??
Post by: zerik on September 19, 2013, 05:09 am
Hey if you do decide to run make sure you ask your lawyer which is better to have open-ended, a binding plea or a trail date. If you have already plead it might be worth your time to file a motion to remove your plea in order to get a trail date that way if 15 years from now you do get caught then instead of automatically getting the 7 years you might just be back to square one and be dealing with less of an asshole of a prosecutor or their evidence or witnesses may be long gone.

Well that is true all kinds of things can happen. Evidence could get lost and laws can even change. The problem is even if the case got tossed there are still charges for skipping bond which can be just as harsh.

Like I said the state may not look too hard for you. Are you paying the bail yourself in full. If you use a bail bond you can be sure they will look for you.
I understand feeling beat down. I am sure you are going through hell right now but try not to give up. Whatever you decide keep pushing through till you are free.

I hope these laws change soon because no one should loose this much of their life on a drug charge. 
Title: Re: What to do??
Post by: havetodecide on September 19, 2013, 08:11 am
Thanks for the support guys.  This is definitely the worst and hardest time ever in my life.

My bond was high, of course, but 85% of it is backed by my cash in the bank, so i don't think they would look REALLY hard for me.   Yeah, i'd be extradited anywhere in the usa, and maybe a surrounding country.  But overseas....i doubt it.   

Title: Re: What to do??
Post by: DrMDA on September 19, 2013, 10:50 am
If you do the time keep in mind that given your length of time you will want to make friends for the sake of your sanity and safety but never forget that they are all fucking idiots and that they are just fake friends. One of the saddest things about prison is looking around and saying to yourself that each and every one of these retarded idiots belong there. It's hard to have extreme contempt for the justice system when every single person is a retard who belongs locked up just because they are too retarded too belong in society. They might not deserve to be locked up 20 years for a joint of weed, but rest assured none are people you really want to associate with by choice due to their questionably working brains.
Title: Re: What to do??
Post by: ImTylerDurden on September 20, 2013, 11:31 am
Really man? 6.5 years is pretty much a nickel on the dollar. If youre using "dude" in your speech, you are in your 20s or 30s. You still have 50+ years left on your life. You are going to be locked up for 6.5, or RUNNING for 50+. Unless you have the same guy Saul Goodman has to change your identity, this is a no brainer.  Put those numbers in front of you by themselves for a second.

6.5 years in minimum secuirty prision

OR

50+ years RUNNING

if you DO run, youre probably going to be just doing illegal shit in another country anyway. Do you really think youre going to be able to live a legitimate life, obtain a college education, and find a white collar desk job after all that? Unless you know Politicians in other countries, youre going to be the exact same thing as the illegal Mexicans are to us Americans. You'll be living in poverty, in hiding, selling drugs, laying low for the rest of your life.  Youll be in that gang of illegal Americans in some European country that the cops are always trying to bust their illegal prostitution operation. Just do the time man. Ask anyone in jail about going to prison. They all bitch about how they cant wait to gtfo of county jail so they can be in prison because its much closer to normal life. And minimum security? cmon man, that probably means conjugal visits! LOL, fuck yeah!
Title: Re: What to do??
Post by: blacksmith on September 20, 2013, 01:25 pm
Did you getting caught have to do with you buying BTC? if you can tell us this you can help ALOT of people. If so what company did you use? Bitinstant? Coinbase? were you getting alot of weight at once? were you a vendor?
Title: Re: What to do??
Post by: havetodecide on September 21, 2013, 12:39 am
It had nothing to do with buying btc..

tyler....
   yeah i hear ya.   But it with enough planning, a new identity can be bought for 10k or so in another country...venezuala for example.   Why waste so many years if I can make that happen?   I'm still not 100 percent either way....depends on the time of day you ask me :)  The thought of being out there handling all that shit is nerve wrecking.  But even a 6.5 year sentence is life long...no jobs really available, plus the 3 years probation after that.   Fuck I will have 10 years wrapped up into this shit.
Title: Re: What to do??
Post by: havetodecide on September 21, 2013, 12:40 am
And once i get to my destination country...i doubt i partake in much illegal activities that will draw attention to me.

I know I can do this...especially with no damn woman to fuck my head up. 
Title: Re: What to do??
Post by: darryl45 on September 21, 2013, 03:25 am
there going to catch you somtime in the future and its going to be a lot worse when they do.
if you have the money you can live good in prison, if its county time run as fast as you can.
it really depends on the state, a lot can happen in 6.5 years. laws change and states go broke and will need to rethink there practice of locking people up for nothing.
anything can happen.
you really want to leave your life and you have a good chance of getting caught in the first 5 years and being in a worse position like 6.5 in max lockdown.
i have done enough time to have experience in this, if your going to run get the best headstart you can and go. dont tell anybody, just get the longest extension for court like a medical reason and go.
did you get caught because of sr or just caught and had stuff from here?
Title: Re: What to do??
Post by: AussieMitch on September 21, 2013, 05:59 am
Personally if I was in your situation I'd run in a second.

6.5 years is too much of my life to spend in the same routine day after day, and fuck having the US government holding me down.

I wouldn't run immediately, if you've got a while before this all goes to trial then spend that time getting a new identity and making preparations.

If I had to make an escape plan for you in a very short period of time I'd advise you to get that Dominican Republic real passport from here and travel to Mexico then fly to the Dominican Republic. Once your there I'd scrap all your American ID, burn your fingerprints off if they don't have your DNA on record and start a bank account and get further identifying documents using your passport in the Dominican Republic.

Once you've done that travel to a country where you want to settle down, find a job and and apply for residency/citizenship using your Dominican Republic identity. If you can succeed at doing this you'll have a clean slate & new identity and should be safe from the law.

Here's the vendor:
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/9f28dd069b

Sounds like a lot to go through but I'd just see it as a big adventure that is 10x more fun than sitting in a jail.

Worst comes worse it'll make an awesome book you can write about your life if they catch you eventually.

Whatever you do man, good luck, and fuck the police.
Title: Re: What to do??
Post by: berserkr on September 21, 2013, 12:56 pm
Fuck this out of control tyrannical government, Never let them take you alive! Did you hurt anybody? Do you think you need to  be punished?

Truthfully, you don't need to do either, just hold out until the economy collapses, it can't be more than a couple months now. No ones going to care about you then. Good luck brother.

Title: Re: What to do??
Post by: Remediless on September 21, 2013, 02:35 pm
Personally if I was in your situation I'd run in a second.

6.5 years is too much of my life to spend in the same routine day after day, and fuck having the US government holding me down.

I wouldn't run immediately, if you've got a while before this all goes to trial then spend that time getting a new identity and making preparations.

If I had to make an escape plan for you in a very short period of time I'd advise you to get that Dominican Republic real passport from here and travel to Mexico then fly to the Dominican Republic. Once your there I'd scrap all your American ID, burn your fingerprints off if they don't have your DNA on record and start a bank account and get further identifying documents using your passport in the Dominican Republic.

Once you've done that travel to a country where you want to settle down, find a job and and apply for residency/citizenship using your Dominican Republic identity. If you can succeed at doing this you'll have a clean slate & new identity and should be safe from the law.

Here's the vendor:
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/9f28dd069b

Sounds like a lot to go through but I'd just see it as a big adventure that is 10x more fun than sitting in a jail.

Worst comes worse it'll make an awesome book you can write about your life if they catch you eventually.

Whatever you do man, good luck, and fuck the police.

Not to be a dick, Aussiemitch, but 10 grand for a passport but with NO feedback on the listing? I'd be really wary of that one, could be a honeytrap from LE wanting to nab potential people wanting to go on the run red-handed, no?

They want: 1) your approximate age 2) Natural Hair Color, 4) Natural Eye Color 5) Height and 6) Weight 7) Country you are from plus your current address and a recent photograph. Surely the police could run all that info through a computer and with that facial recognition system they use on photos they'd have your criminal record up on the screen, along with a fairly good case to the courts for proving you're planning to jump bail in about 5 minutes flat. Especially as they want 10K, there's no way you can claim it was a joke/ novelty passport.

IF it's legit then I apologize, but I'd be wary of buying that myself. Quite apart from the fact that if it's not LE then it's quite likely a scam as it takes 45 days to get to you and, as he's dealing in full escrow, it'll auto-finalize after 17 days.
Title: Re: What to do??
Post by: weok83r8fd on September 21, 2013, 03:13 pm

6.5 years in minimum secuirty prision

OR

50+ years RUNNING


Your logic is flawed and immature.

Not all 6.5 years are created equal.  Its of much higher value during your 20s and 30s than later on.  I'll gladly take an extra year during my 20s and 30s at the expense of 3 when I'm 80, if such a trade were possible.

Also, he's not going to be running for 50 years.  He will find a place or zone he can chill and be happy in.  He'll probably run for a few months tops and who is to say that part won't be fun?  Sounds like a sweet adventure to me.
Title: Re: What to do??
Post by: Chewable on September 21, 2013, 05:12 pm
well if your going to split i would get my stuff together and do it. You cant sit idle.  time is running out.  You need to make a plan and have the cash ready then go. makes sure your plan takes you to where you want to end up. and all the cost added up and who will help you. dont wing it. or you will fail.
Title: Re: What to do??
Post by: jentyb on September 22, 2013, 07:07 am
Dude if you go to a different country which imo you should make sure they have no extradition and you can live peacefully without looking over your shoulders every two minutes..
Title: Re: What to do??
Post by: havetodecide on September 22, 2013, 08:59 am
Definitely would end up in another country eventually.   Tired of the usa anyways.

Title: Re: What to do??
Post by: AussieMitch on September 22, 2013, 11:42 am
Personally if I was in your situation I'd run in a second.

6.5 years is too much of my life to spend in the same routine day after day, and fuck having the US government holding me down.

I wouldn't run immediately, if you've got a while before this all goes to trial then spend that time getting a new identity and making preparations.

If I had to make an escape plan for you in a very short period of time I'd advise you to get that Dominican Republic real passport from here and travel to Mexico then fly to the Dominican Republic. Once your there I'd scrap all your American ID, burn your fingerprints off if they don't have your DNA on record and start a bank account and get further identifying documents using your passport in the Dominican Republic.

Once you've done that travel to a country where you want to settle down, find a job and and apply for residency/citizenship using your Dominican Republic identity. If you can succeed at doing this you'll have a clean slate & new identity and should be safe from the law.

Here's the vendor:
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/9f28dd069b

Sounds like a lot to go through but I'd just see it as a big adventure that is 10x more fun than sitting in a jail.

Worst comes worse it'll make an awesome book you can write about your life if they catch you eventually.

Whatever you do man, good luck, and fuck the police.

Not to be a dick, Aussiemitch, but 10 grand for a passport but with NO feedback on the listing? I'd be really wary of that one, could be a honeytrap from LE wanting to nab potential people wanting to go on the run red-handed, no?

They want: 1) your approximate age 2) Natural Hair Color, 4) Natural Eye Color 5) Height and 6) Weight 7) Country you are from plus your current address and a recent photograph. Surely the police could run all that info through a computer and with that facial recognition system they use on photos they'd have your criminal record up on the screen, along with a fairly good case to the courts for proving you're planning to jump bail in about 5 minutes flat. Especially as they want 10K, there's no way you can claim it was a joke/ novelty passport.

IF it's legit then I apologize, but I'd be wary of buying that myself. Quite apart from the fact that if it's not LE then it's quite likely a scam as it takes 45 days to get to you and, as he's dealing in full escrow, it'll auto-finalize after 17 days.

I completely agree with you that I wouldn't want to be the first person to buy it, however if I was facing 6.5 years in prison i'd be willing to give it a shot as they do let you do the whole thing in escrow. You can always go into resolution center and extend the escrow to up to 99 days!
Title: Re: What to do??
Post by: semi_feral_human on September 24, 2013, 05:28 am
6.5 years is with good time, etc.  The min sentencing guidelines suck.

chemcat...check your pms.

So is this 6.5 year time frame based on the crimes you have been *charged* with? Everyone but murderers get a deal reducing or eliminating some charges. The state has to give people an incentive not to go to trial, or the legal system would crash. Even with 95%+ people taking plea deals it's still barely holding on.
Title: Re: What to do??
Post by: ImTylerDurden on September 24, 2013, 11:42 am

6.5 years in minimum secuirty prision

OR

50+ years RUNNING


Your logic is flawed and immature.

Not all 6.5 years are created equal.  Its of much higher value during your 20s and 30s than later on.  I'll gladly take an extra year during my 20s and 30s at the expense of 3 when I'm 80, if such a trade were possible.

Also, he's not going to be running for 50 years.  He will find a place or zone he can chill and be happy in.  He'll probably run for a few months tops and who is to say that part won't be fun?  Sounds like a sweet adventure to me.

You just referred to logic while talking about running from the US government.  trolol. He'll be making $5/day in a Venezuelan factory, living in a 10x10 room in the slums with maybe cable TV and a lightbulb. Or he'll be a mule for Venezuelan coke cartels. Doesnt really sound worth it to me. He could get out of prison and go to tech school and be able to make 50k as a plumber or electrician or some shit. small companies like that dont waste their time on background checks. Even being a bartender at a nice ass bar you can make at least $30k a year working 3 days a week. I had a manager that told me he made $70k a year bartending 6 nights a week.

Fuck running. Unless youre sitting in Dade county or Cook County, man up and do the time.

Title: Re: What to do??
Post by: chaosmix on September 24, 2013, 02:12 pm
Really man? 6.5 years is pretty much a nickel on the dollar. If youre using "dude" in your speech, you are in your 20s or 30s. You still have 50+ years left on your life. You are going to be locked up for 6.5, or RUNNING for 50+. Unless you have the same guy Saul Goodman has to change your identity, this is a no brainer.  Put those numbers in front of you by themselves for a second.

6.5 years in minimum secuirty prision

OR

50+ years RUNNING

if you DO run, youre probably going to be just doing illegal shit in another country anyway. Do you really think youre going to be able to live a legitimate life, obtain a college education, and find a white collar desk job after all that? Unless you know Politicians in other countries, youre going to be the exact same thing as the illegal Mexicans are to us Americans. You'll be living in poverty, in hiding, selling drugs, laying low for the rest of your life.  Youll be in that gang of illegal Americans in some European country that the cops are always trying to bust their illegal prostitution operation. Just do the time man. Ask anyone in jail about going to prison. They all bitch about how they cant wait to gtfo of county jail so they can be in prison because its much closer to normal life. And minimum security? cmon man, that probably means conjugal visits! LOL, fuck yeah!
I agree completely with tyler!
Ive been in jail before and minimum security prison!
County jail sucks even if you are closer to family
I know you think your gonna do 6.5 but realistically if you dont get in trouble then it will likely be less!
You dont wanna run, do the time, get your bond money back, save money while on the inside.
A felony or three isnt the worst thing.
I have a b and e, some misdemeanor charges like simple poss. of weed, comm threats, simple assault, i also carry a poss. of firearm by felon and assault with a deadly weapon(which i had reduced since the guy that tried to rob me got shot and never showed for any of the court dates, he knew someone was gonna fuck him up after court let out!) i got out last year after only doing 14 months since in my state there are different. guidelines for career criminals and the occasional criminal.
   I now have a decent 9$hr fast food job.
 I sell drugs on the side.
I never order from os bcuz im not that greedy.
I also know that there is a possibility of time if i do a crime.
Luckily my girl never cheated on me( and we r living together and she has a decent job that she went to a community college for)
Prison is cooler than county jail especially if you know somebody from the outside that you were cool with.
Itll give you time to think about things and bulk up.
You can learn how to make alcohol and homemade weapons( they should make a Doomsday Prepper show for prisons!)
I dont know if you ever been in jail before or what your record is like but its not the end of the world!
just hurry up and get the shit over with, a few of my trials i hurried the process up just to get it over with. If you request it now you can go to trial within the week thanks to the constitution!

P.S. Get a lock and a sock if your scared, or just figure out a way to be put in a turtle suit( but you really dont want be put in isolation)

Good luck to you man! also if you wanna name the vendor that caused this cd...
Title: Re: What to do??
Post by: havetodecide on September 24, 2013, 09:51 pm
I know for a fact felons can't be bartenders.   

Anyways, why do 7 years. Then a year and a half parole.  And then three years probation.  And still not having a decent job.  It's pretty much a life sentence.   

And if If I end up in a third world country, I'm not gonna be poor.   I will have a substantial amount saved and I can put it to use. 
Title: Re: What to do??
Post by: gimmemoredrugs on September 25, 2013, 03:25 pm
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Title: Re: What to do??
Post by: weather420 on September 27, 2013, 02:23 am
Prison is no cake walk, the food fucking sucks, the government "tea" sucks and the showers are complete cesspools. I was locked up in prison for a few months(over weed) and was thrown into a cell with a guy who was insane, a pedophile, a bank robber etc..The guy tried to come onto me the first night.I awoke to this dood trying to grab my dick...Crazy, I got into a fight my first night in..... Ended up being  moved into a new cell, which had 3 people in it. If I was looking at a few years, I would seriously dip the fuck out. If you can seriously maintain any type of sanity or composure starting at cinder blocks, in a 10 x 5 box, than go for it. Shit goes down in there, many fights over the most miniscule things will be seen. I saw a guy lose at spades bug out who was also on all kinds of psychiatric meds.Also saw a pretty bad fight over the phone. O yeah, wait until it's time for "meds" the entire block will go wild. Many people in there are absolute batshit. There are many cool people as well. But the horrible food and lack of mental stimulation will get to you after awhile. I mean how many Alex Cross novels can you actually read? Leave and don't look back, there are many places to hide.
Title: Re: What to do??
Post by: havetodecide on September 27, 2013, 02:30 am
Prison is no cake walk, the food fucking sucks, the government "tea" sucks and the showers are complete cesspools. I was locked up in prison for a few months(over weed) and was thrown into a cell with a guy who was insane, a pedophile, a bank robber etc..The guy tried to come onto my the first night. Got moved into a new cell, which had 3 people in it. If I was looking at a few years, I would seriously dip the fuck out. If you can seriously maintain any type of sanity or composure starting at cinder blocks, in a 10 x 5 box, than go for it. Shit goes down in there, many fights over the most miniscule things will be seen. I saw a guy lose at spades bug out who was also on all kinds of psychiatric meds. O yeah, wait until it's time for "meds" the entire block will go wild. Many people in there are absolute batshit. There are many cool people as well. But the horrible food and lack of mental stimulation will get to you after awhile. I mean how many Alex Cross novels can you actually read? Leave and don't look back, there are many places to hide.

Thanks.  Yeah, in my state, they say it ain't so bad.  But fuck, 7 years, then parole, then probation.  Alex Cross.....lmao.   Read plenty of those while in jail.  I get tired of reading books about cops and legal shit. 
Title: Re: What to do??
Post by: weather420 on September 27, 2013, 02:34 am
Prison is no cake walk, the food fucking sucks, the government "tea" sucks and the showers are complete cesspools. I was locked up in prison for a few months(over weed) and was thrown into a cell with a guy who was insane, a pedophile, a bank robber etc..The guy tried to come onto my the first night. Got moved into a new cell, which had 3 people in it. If I was looking at a few years, I would seriously dip the fuck out. If you can seriously maintain any type of sanity or composure starting at cinder blocks, in a 10 x 5 box, than go for it. Shit goes down in there, many fights over the most miniscule things will be seen. I saw a guy lose at spades bug out who was also on all kinds of psychiatric meds. O yeah, wait until it's time for "meds" the entire block will go wild. Many people in there are absolute batshit. There are many cool people as well. But the horrible food and lack of mental stimulation will get to you after awhile. I mean how many Alex Cross novels can you actually read? Leave and don't look back, there are many places to hide.

Thanks.  Yeah, in my state, they say it ain't so bad.  But fuck, 7 years, then parole, then probation.  Alex Cross.....lmao.   Read plenty of those while in jail.  I get tired of reading books about cops and legal shit.

Yeah man, most prisoners are not the most avid of readers. I met some really smart people while inside, but a good majority are of pieces of shit and/or crazy. I remember playing some serious games of chess. Other than that, I just found a group of "friends" and tried to lay low. No way in hell would I ever go back. I could barely make it past the grammatical errors in the Alex Cross books. Not to mention the horrible plots.I felt like I had reverted back to a 5th grade reading class with an adult story line.
Title: Re: What to do??
Post by: berserkr on September 27, 2013, 03:28 pm
Are any of you paying attention to whats going on with our country? Or the world?

Look bro, do you really want to be in a cage when the dollar dies and marshal law is declared? Or while Russia and China are invading? I don't mean to sound like chicken little but so many things are inevitable and right around the corner. Just hang tough bro, get as many continuances as possible wait it out, trust me.
Title: Re: What to do??
Post by: DrMDA on September 27, 2013, 03:34 pm
I was locked up in prison for a few months

You sure you weren't in JAIL???? Jail is a completely different thing then prison. Jail is far worse then prison. Jails are meant to be temporary holding facilities. Prisons are meant to be where you live your life.
Title: Re: What to do??
Post by: jackie91 on September 27, 2013, 08:23 pm
I have seen this before and everyone I know who ran, regretted it later. You forfeit the bond, which sounds substantial, and you are a fugitive for the rest of your life, which I am going to guess is longer than 6-7 years. Doing time sucks (I only did a year) but there is parole if you keep quiet and just do your time. I can't tell you what to do, but if it was me (knowing what I know now) I would do the time and be done with it. And I'm kinda old so 6-7 would be harder but I would do it. Running, for me, would just add more problems to an already bad situation. Best of luck guy and whatever you do I hope it works out for you.
Title: Re: What to do??
Post by: havetodecide on September 27, 2013, 09:10 pm
7 years is with being paroled at the earliest possible time. 

It would be different if I had a family or something to come back to.   But I don't
Title: Re: What to do??
Post by: thebakertrio on September 27, 2013, 11:01 pm
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Title: Re: What to do??
Post by: jackie91 on September 29, 2013, 08:03 pm
I know for a fact felons can't be bartenders.   

Anyways, why do 7 years. Then a year and a half parole.  And then three years probation.  And still not having a decent job.  It's pretty much a life sentence.   

And if If I end up in a third world country, I'm not gonna be poor.   I will have a substantial amount saved and I can put it to use.

And if you get picked up for something wherever you are and they find out you're a fugitive and they turn you over to the US then you do the full time, plus whatever for fleeing and you'll probably lose whatever you have saved up. So now you're in prison for 15-20 say and you get out and have nothing and no one. I'm a Federal Felon and I get by. Many jobs are closed off to me but I have some skills and I do OK working free lance. I have made some friends who would hire me for a decent job if I asked so I have some back-up. Your call dude but make sure you look at the cons (no pun intended) along with the pros of fleeing. You sound like a young guy with a lot of living ahead of you. You can spend that time worrying and looking over your shoulder or you can do the time and get back to living your life. Once you run there's no undoing it, it's done and there is little to no upside to it. It looks good on paper and in the imagination, the reality of it however may make you wonder about your choice.