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Title: Took 8 vicodin (5mg/500mg APAP) and not feeling anything, the fuck
Post by: snipeemfl0 on September 22, 2012, 04:37 am
I'm not going to take more, but this always happens to me with vicodin. I've only taken about 4-5 last weekend, and before that havent taken them for about 4-6 months. Any reason why I wouldn't be feeling them? Even chewed them up.



Also, would I have to worry about APAP and liver damage, don't intend to continue this dosage at all, or even take opiates for a while again. Took 4 at first, then took 2 a few hours later, then the final 2 6 hours after initial dosing.

Any advise/incite would be amazing.
Title: Re: Took 8 vicodin (5mg/500mg APAP) and not feeling anything, the fuck
Post by: BobSacamano1 on September 22, 2012, 04:50 am
Yeah, advice would be, it seems like you have a high, perhaps very high, natural tolerance but also the way you dosed was stupid. Orally dosing percs n vics, you gotta decide on a dose and take it, and if it wasnt enough take more next dose but wait till it starts wearing off (at least 3 hrs if not 4-6). Re-dosing vicodin after an hour or two is a waste.  But even that inital 20 mg dose should be plenty, I duno if you really hadnt done it in 4-6 months, have you seriously abused opiates in the past? If not that you just have a stupid high natural tolerance apparently.
Title: Re: Took 8 vicodin (5mg/500mg APAP) and not feeling anything, the fuck
Post by: Jenkem Source on September 22, 2012, 05:00 am
I'd say your reaction is pretty typical.  Only a small portion of users experience a "high" from opiates.   Euphoria is just one of many side effects that MAY occur with drugs like Vicodin/Percocet, along with nausea, dizziness, drowsiness and constipation.  I was trying to explain the opiate high to my sister and dad and they just looked at me like I was crazy.  All they get is horrid nausea and won't even take opiates if they're in pain for this reason.  No euphoria, no high. 

That said, you should've felt SOMETHING off that high of a dose, even if it's just dizziness and sedation.  4,000 grams is the upper limit of acetaminophen you can have safely each day, though it may be less if you drink a lot or have liver disease. 
Title: Re: Took 8 vicodin (5mg/500mg APAP) and not feeling anything, the fuck
Post by: Jenkem Source on September 22, 2012, 05:02 am
*4 grams (4,000 mg) of acetaminophen is how that should read.  4,000 grams would kill an elephant. 
Title: Re: Took 8 vicodin (5mg/500mg APAP) and not feeling anything, the fuck
Post by: snipeemfl0 on September 22, 2012, 05:21 am
Yeah, advice would be, it seems like you have a high, perhaps very high, natural tolerance but also the way you dosed was stupid. Orally dosing percs n vics, you gotta decide on a dose and take it, and if it wasnt enough take more next dose but wait till it starts wearing off (at least 3 hrs if not 4-6). Re-dosing vicodin after an hour or two is a waste.  But even that inital 20 mg dose should be plenty, I duno if you really hadnt done it in 4-6 months, have you seriously abused opiates in the past? If not that you just have a stupid high natural tolerance apparently.

I've never really abused opiates ever in my life, just using them when prescribed them.
Title: Re: Took 8 vicodin (5mg/500mg APAP) and not feeling anything, the fuck
Post by: blowdrobro on September 22, 2012, 05:37 am
I don't know if it's just me but vic 10s seem way more potent then 2 vic 5s. I'm not a regular opiate user, but I still need like 3 vic 5s if I'm using it as a painkiller.
Title: Re: Took 8 vicodin (5mg/500mg APAP) and not feeling anything, the fuck
Post by: BobSacamano1 on September 22, 2012, 05:51 am
  Only a small portion of users experience a "high" from opiates.   Euphoria is just one of many side effects that MAY occur with drugs like Vicodin/Percocet,

Nah dude, I see what you're saying but its not a 'small portion.'  The vast majority of people experience some sort of euphoric buzz, whether it is accompanied by more unpleasant side effects or not.  A very small percentage of people do not experience that at all.
Title: Re: Took 8 vicodin (5mg/500mg APAP) and not feeling anything, the fuck
Post by: AnOn.edu on September 22, 2012, 06:05 am
I don't know if it's just me but vic 10s seem way more potent then 2 vic 5s. I'm not a regular opiate user, but I still need like 3 vic 5s if I'm using it as a painkiller.

I've had the same experience.  It surprised me.
Title: Re: Took 8 vicodin (5mg/500mg APAP) and not feeling anything, the fuck
Post by: BobSacamano1 on September 22, 2012, 04:53 pm
I don't know if it's just me but vic 10s seem way more potent then 2 vic 5s. I'm not a regular opiate user, but I still need like 3 vic 5s if I'm using it as a painkiller.

15mg has always been my standard medicinal dose, whether it be hydrocod or oxy. And I've been through 3 major surgeries, still 15mg always provided at least some pain relief and at least a mild buzz.
Title: Re: Took 8 vicodin (5mg/500mg APAP) and not feeling anything, the fuck
Post by: Ensine99 on September 22, 2012, 08:24 pm
Vicodin doesn't do anything for me either, Could just be a personal thing, makes me slightly nauseated though.
Title: Re: Took 8 vicodin (5mg/500mg APAP) and not feeling anything, the fuck
Post by: apples on September 22, 2012, 08:59 pm
if you are going to take 8 vicodin's worth of acetaminophen/paracetamol (4000 mgs) at least take the effort of performing a CWE or something on the pills first. don't kill yourself.

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i get high from hydrocodone. barely i guess. i'm pretty functional and it gives me energy. it doesn't overpower the pain like say heroin or morphine does but it makes you not notice it from the energeticish buzz. but i insuffate hydrocodone so. that's p just me.
Title: Re: Took 8 vicodin (5mg/500mg APAP) and not feeling anything, the fuck
Post by: NOTspacecase on September 22, 2012, 09:35 pm
What's probably going on is they're not fresh, back when I used to get a shit load of vics at a time after awhile they would seem to get less potent. It's probably that or you're not realizing your tolerance increasing.
As far as acetaminophen I don't think you have much to worry about I ate 30-40 of these pills every day for years and don't have any noticeable damage, still better to avoid if possible, obviously.
Title: Re: Took 8 vicodin (5mg/500mg APAP) and not feeling anything, the fuck
Post by: apples on September 22, 2012, 10:06 pm
um anything above 3000-4000 mgs of acetaminophen a day can cause acute liver failure. it isn't something to mess around with. you're an anomaly.
Title: Re: Took 8 vicodin (5mg/500mg APAP) and not feeling anything, the fuck
Post by: BobSacamano1 on September 23, 2012, 03:22 am
What's probably going on is they're not fresh, back when I used to get a shit load of vics at a time after awhile they would seem to get less potent. It's probably that or you're not realizing your tolerance increasing.
As far as acetaminophen I don't think you have much to worry about I ate 30-40 of these pills every day for years and don't have any noticeable damage, still better to avoid if possible, obviously.

Uhhh, don't listen to that naivete.  30-40 5/500s a day? You are fuckin lucky you don't have serious liver damage then, especially if you drink alcohol ever.

The tylenol is pretty gnarly, 8 vics is about the ceiling for being somewhat safe, more than that and its bad news. If possible try to get the 5/325 norcos or wahtever theyre called. If not, do a CWE or just don't take as many/take enough time off to lower your tolerance.
Title: Re: Took 8 vicodin (5mg/500mg APAP) and not feeling anything, the fuck
Post by: apples on September 23, 2012, 03:52 am
What's probably going on is they're not fresh, back when I used to get a shit load of vics at a time after awhile they would seem to get less potent. It's probably that or you're not realizing your tolerance increasing.
As far as acetaminophen I don't think you have much to worry about I ate 30-40 of these pills every day for years and don't have any noticeable damage, still better to avoid if possible, obviously.

Uhhh, don't listen to that naivete.  30-40 5/500s a day? You are fuckin lucky you don't have serious liver damage then, especially if you drink alcohol ever.

The tylenol is pretty gnarly, 8 vics is about the ceiling for being somewhat safe, more than that and its bad news. If possible try to get the 5/325 norcos or wahtever theyre called. If not, do a CWE or just don't take as many/take enough time off to lower your tolerance.

yes, thank you. giving plus karma for this post when i'm able to.
Title: Re: Took 8 vicodin (5mg/500mg APAP) and not feeling anything, the fuck
Post by: TheAbsurd on September 23, 2012, 04:03 am
I don't get high off them either. I forgot my dosage but I did my research well and no euphoria at all. I got somewhat buzzed and my coordination sucked, along with tiny pupils. However I didn't get "high" either. They were fresh out of the pharmacy too and I didn't have any tolerance.

Since then I've tried it a few other times and actually experienced negative symptoms. I felt poisoned for a few days afterwards one time.
Title: Re: Took 8 vicodin (5mg/500mg APAP) and not feeling anything, the fuck
Post by: BobSacamano1 on September 23, 2012, 07:04 am
"Felt poisoned"? Dude, what? Shit is the one of the healthiest 'real' drugs to take, assuming you don't become physically dependent. Thats why its prescribed so much, because its not poison, hah.

But I understand certain people just have adverse reactions to certain substances, thats just how it is. I know people who's body react badly to alcohol, and im not talking about drinking too much I'm sayin a couple drinks. Just how it is. (and ethyl alcohol is much closer to poison than hydrocodone)
Title: Re: Took 8 vicodin (5mg/500mg APAP) and not feeling anything, the fuck
Post by: TheAbsurd on September 23, 2012, 06:56 pm
Well I forgot to say... The time I felt poisoned I took 3 (I forgot the actual mg) and I didn't do a cold water extraction, so it could've been that. I felt like pure shit for a few days though, it definitely wasn't something else. This other time I took 2 because I had just gotten back from a rave and I was really sore. That made me feel nauseous too, but at least I slept for 16 hours. I'm kinda glad they don't work on me.
Title: Re: Took 8 vicodin (5mg/500mg APAP) and not feeling anything, the fuck
Post by: NOTspacecase on September 23, 2012, 07:09 pm
What's probably going on is they're not fresh, back when I used to get a shit load of vics at a time after awhile they would seem to get less potent. It's probably that or you're not realizing your tolerance increasing.
As far as acetaminophen I don't think you have much to worry about I ate 30-40 of these pills every day for years and don't have any noticeable damage, still better to avoid if possible, obviously.

Uhhh, don't listen to that naivete.  30-40 5/500s a day? You are fuckin lucky you don't have serious liver damage then, especially if you drink alcohol ever.

The tylenol is pretty gnarly, 8 vics is about the ceiling for being somewhat safe, more than that and its bad news. If possible try to get the 5/325 norcos or wahtever theyre called. If not, do a CWE or just don't take as many/take enough time off to lower your tolerance.

I never touched alcohol but that certainly has nothing to do with me being absolutely fine from abusing them so bad. Everyone I have ever met has eaten them by the tens several times a day. We have all made it just fine and it's been 10 years for us since we done this. I know it's not a healthy thing to do now but back then no one had a fucking clue and everyone did it. I'm speaking from experience of what I've seen personally you are speaking from some fear mongering doctors.
Title: Re: Took 8 vicodin (5mg/500mg APAP) and not feeling anything, the fuck
Post by: BobSacamano1 on September 23, 2012, 08:39 pm
Well I forgot to say... The time I felt poisoned I took 3 (I forgot the actual mg) and I didn't do a cold water extraction, so it could've been that. I felt like pure shit for a few days though, it definitely wasn't something else. This other time I took 2 because I had just gotten back from a rave and I was really sore. That made me feel nauseous too, but at least I slept for 16 hours. I'm kinda glad they don't work on me.

THe most 3 could be is 30mg so, I mean thats a large dose that might make you nauseous the few hours after taking it but there should be no hangover especially not multiple days from taking a couple hydros. That was something else, perhaps all that tylenol but probably just something else. You ever been in the hospital with an injury? They juice you up so good, aint no hangover from it. The nausea though, yeah that will happen. I guess it isn't the worst thing that your body doesn't care for them because they are tricky. That is unless you have 3 surgeries like me which case the fact that they are incredible medicine is basically a lifesaver.  If you do take opioids again, always eat at least a small substantive meal right before you dose. Only time I get nauseous is when i don't do that and am on completely empty stomach. It says that in the RX pamphlet by the way.
Title: Re: Took 8 vicodin (5mg/500mg APAP) and not feeling anything, the fuck
Post by: BobSacamano1 on September 23, 2012, 08:55 pm
What's probably going on is they're not fresh, back when I used to get a shit load of vics at a time after awhile they would seem to get less potent. It's probably that or you're not realizing your tolerance increasing.
As far as acetaminophen I don't think you have much to worry about I ate 30-40 of these pills every day for years and don't have any noticeable damage, still better to avoid if possible, obviously.

Uhhh, don't listen to that naivete.  30-40 5/500s a day? You are fuckin lucky you don't have serious liver damage then, especially if you drink alcohol ever.

The tylenol is pretty gnarly, 8 vics is about the ceiling for being somewhat safe, more than that and its bad news. If possible try to get the 5/325 norcos or wahtever theyre called. If not, do a CWE or just don't take as many/take enough time off to lower your tolerance.

I never touched alcohol but that certainly has nothing to do with me being absolutely fine from abusing them so bad. Everyone I have ever met has eaten them by the tens several times a day. We have all made it just fine and it's been 10 years for us since we done this. I know it's not a healthy thing to do now but back then no one had a fucking clue and everyone did it. I'm speaking from experience of what I've seen personally you are speaking from some fear mongering doctors.

But its not just doctors, have you read the side of a tylenol bottle? Thats the company thats selling the product writing that on there. I think its fucked up that they even package so much NSAID in all those percs n vics, and I won't dispute your story, I would just say you are very lucky its not like a debatable topic it is solidified fact. Just like abusing alcohol is bad for your liver, doesn't mean every lifelong alcoholic dies of liver failure, but quite a few do.
Title: Re: Took 8 vicodin (5mg/500mg APAP) and not feeling anything, the fuck
Post by: apples on September 23, 2012, 10:10 pm
What's probably going on is they're not fresh, back when I used to get a shit load of vics at a time after awhile they would seem to get less potent. It's probably that or you're not realizing your tolerance increasing.
As far as acetaminophen I don't think you have much to worry about I ate 30-40 of these pills every day for years and don't have any noticeable damage, still better to avoid if possible, obviously.

Uhhh, don't listen to that naivete.  30-40 5/500s a day? You are fuckin lucky you don't have serious liver damage then, especially if you drink alcohol ever.

The tylenol is pretty gnarly, 8 vics is about the ceiling for being somewhat safe, more than that and its bad news. If possible try to get the 5/325 norcos or wahtever theyre called. If not, do a CWE or just don't take as many/take enough time off to lower your tolerance.

I never touched alcohol but that certainly has nothing to do with me being absolutely fine from abusing them so bad. Everyone I have ever met has eaten them by the tens several times a day. We have all made it just fine and it's been 10 years for us since we done this. I know it's not a healthy thing to do now but back then no one had a fucking clue and everyone did it. I'm speaking from experience of what I've seen personally you are speaking from some fear mongering doctors.

um, you're wrong dude. my liver is fucked up from taking 2000-2500 mgs a day (sometimes 3000) when i was younger (for migraines). the risk for liver failure at 4000 mgs is there and it increases exponentially as the dose goes higher. that's ignorant as hell to just say it's 'fear mongering doctors.
Title: Re: Took 8 vicodin (5mg/500mg APAP) and not feeling anything, the fuck
Post by: NOTspacecase on September 23, 2012, 10:45 pm
Like I said I know it's not healthy but I do not know one person who has had problems out of literally hundreds. All I'm saying is they guy will more then likely be fine if he abuses them a few times...