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Title: Can being able to afford high class lawyers really get you out of trouble?
Post by: Holly on January 26, 2012, 06:42 am
In the case one of our fellow peers gets his ass substantially handed to him evidence-wise, can being able to afford the highest quality of narcotics defense really make a dent even if they wanted you badly?   

This is more related to the recent OVDB vendor ene busted but applies to all of us.    Some of us don't have a legal team prepared when entering business.  It is definitely a smart idea when running any kind of business to have this concern at least covered.

Title: Re: Can being able to afford high class lawyers really get you out of trouble?
Post by: toker420 on January 26, 2012, 12:17 pm
LMFAO, of course having highly paid lawyers will get you out of shit.  Look at O.J. for example.

If ene could of spent his $125k on a legal team, they would of already gotten him off.  Judges don't take kindly to cops thinking they can operate above the law.  Think about it, every judge in America likely started as a lowly attorney, then moved their way up over years and years of hard work and long hours...

If anyone considers vending, it'd be very unwise to not have a lawyer on retainer.  Hell I have one and don't even vend...  Always nice for that first call to be someone that WILL get you out of the trouble, not just out of jail.
Title: Re: Can being able to afford high class lawyers really get you out of trouble?
Post by: ieatcans on January 26, 2012, 12:48 pm
every judge in America likely started as a lowly attorney, then moved their way up over years and years of hard work and long hours

Not in Texas.  In Texas, all judges are democratically elected politicians.
Title: Re: Can being able to afford high class lawyers really get you out of trouble?
Post by: FreeLife1 on January 26, 2012, 02:06 pm
my lawyers just got my DUI (drugs) dropped down to a caress driving...boy was that state trooper pissed off.
Title: Re: Can being able to afford high class lawyers really get you out of trouble?
Post by: FreeLife1 on January 26, 2012, 03:51 pm
caress driving...

haha - having a fondle behind the wheel?  ;D


lol no. i meant careless driving
Title: Re: Can being able to afford high class lawyers really get you out of trouble?
Post by: alwaystrying on January 26, 2012, 08:33 pm
without a doubt!

a real master at his craft will find a legal loophole/ effectively shoot for jury nullication and have the political sway behind it (whether with his firm or further) of coarse, the guys at the top cost a load!

just wish there was a way we could sort ene out......
Title: Re: Can being able to afford high class lawyers really get you out of trouble?
Post by: toker420 on January 26, 2012, 10:11 pm
Didn't know that about Texas, you learn something new every day.
Title: Re: Can being able to afford high class lawyers really get you out of trouble?
Post by: Holly on January 27, 2012, 07:09 am
Quote from: bigglesworth link=topic=9787.msg91089#msg91089
 date=1327590597
caress driving...

haha - having a fondle behind the wheel?  ;D

We've all been there.   8)
Title: Re: Can being able to afford high class lawyers really get you out of trouble?
Post by: Reseller on January 27, 2012, 11:38 pm
without a doubt!

a real master at his craft will find a legal loophole/ effectively shoot for jury nullication and have the political sway behind it (whether with his firm or further) of coarse, the guys at the top cost a load!

just wish there was a way we could sort ene out......

Who is ene? What is OVBD and what happened?
Title: Re: Can being able to afford high class lawyers really get you out of trouble?
Post by: foxymeow on January 28, 2012, 02:03 am
Yes and no. My boy got in trouble for a paraphernalia charge (got pulled over with some friends) and got it knocked down to 20 hours community service. Keep in mind he had cultivation on his record. He had to pay the attorney $2000 which is what really got him to be really good at selling methylone because he had some motivation. Now hes made 20k and has a new car.

It was the same attorney his parents hired for him when he got a marijuana cultivation charge and he only got a year of probo.

BUT HAHA if you think an attorney can get you out of a felony than you got another thing coming, they can just really really get it down.
Title: Re: Can being able to afford high class lawyers really get you out of trouble?
Post by: Holly on January 28, 2012, 04:14 am

BUT HAHA if you think an attorney can get you out of a felony than you got another thing coming, they can just really really get it down.

Come now, you don't really think this do you?  Trial by jury is THE biggest advantage when it comes to the system. 
Title: Re: Can being able to afford high class lawyers really get you out of trouble?
Post by: foxymeow on January 28, 2012, 06:19 am

BUT HAHA if you think an attorney can get you out of a felony than you got another thing coming, they can just really really get it down.

Come now, you don't really think this do you?  Trial by jury is THE biggest advantage when it comes to the system.

There is a limit, also trials very rarely get to the Jury stage. It really isn't very common, the reality isn't like "Law and Order" and even in "Law and Order" its only murders that go in front of a jury.
Title: Re: Can being able to afford high class lawyers really get you out of trouble?
Post by: minorthreat71 on January 29, 2012, 12:33 am
"high class lawyers" is and oxymoron, ha.  Let just say, I'm very familiar with this subject.

Anyhow, 60 % of cases are dropped, while 90% of the remaining 40% plead out... it's called judicial economy. Prosecutors carry 400-500 cases simultaneously, they simply cannot justify the cost of prosecution and meet the 6th Amendment guarantees. 

To the original point, the more reputable the attorney, the more likely the state will offer a better plea bargain rather than battle a bulldog defense attorney in a protracted and expensive trial.  It's a common strategy.  So, yea, quality defense attorney's are helpful.  But it really depends on the stupidity of the accused.  Take this to heart:  you are NEVER required to talk without an attorney.  That is, keep your fucking mouth shut.

"Judges don't take kindly to cops thinking they can operate above the law.  Think about it, every judge in America likely started as a lowly attorney, then moved their way up over years and years of hard work and long hours.."

A majority of Judges and Lawyers despise cops.  They are illiterate, morons.  Think about it, if you have a GED and a somewhat uncheckered past, you're qualified - give them a gun and some power. These dumb-asses rarely write a coherent sentence grounded in fact, rather they excel at useless conclusory assertions.  Most cases are kicked because they cannot write a factual account of the crime.

While I'm on a role... read Arizona v. Gant, 129 S.Ct. 1710 (2009).  The Supreme Court held, inter alia, that Police may search a vehicle incident to a recent occupant's arrest only if the arrestee is within reaching distance of the passenger compartment at the time of the search or it is reasonable to believe the vehicle contains evidence of the offense of arrest, and when these justifications are absent, a search of an arrestee's vehicle will be unreasonable unless police obtain a warrant or show that another exception to the warrant requirement applies. U.S.C.A. Const. Amend. 4.

Moral of the story, if you must drive with drugs, keep them outside an arms reach, preferably in a locked glove compartment or back seat in a container.  Neither consent to search nor waiver Miranda because if you're pulled over for a traffic offense (pretextual stop), it is unlwaful  to search incident to arrest unless you fall under a very narrowly drawn exceptions, e.g. you're present an threat to the officers safety, or you are stopped for the drugs in the car - which in nearly impossible.

The reason I write this is because of how this case got to the supreme court, in relation to a few of the comment above.  "Among other things, Gant argued that Belton did not authorize the search of his vehicle because he posed no threat to the officers after he was handcuffed in the patrol car and because he was arrested for a traffic offense for which no evidence could be found in his vehicle. When asked at the suppression hearing why the search was conducted, Officer Griffith responded: “Because the law says we can do it.”

Don't tell the court what the law is....  I doubt he's no longer a cop, just a guess.
Title: Re: Can being able to afford high class lawyers really get you out of trouble?
Post by: moonbear on January 29, 2012, 01:33 am
How did ene get caught? I'd like to learn from his mistake
Title: Re: Can being able to afford high class lawyers really get you out of trouble?
Post by: Holly on January 29, 2012, 04:51 am
How did ene get caught? I'd like to learn from his mistake

Ordered BULK BULK amnts of RC and had them seized and ordered more stuff to same address.  After that crosshars were pretty much on him and he did not know he was being watched.    Careless mistakes is what.
Title: Re: Can being able to afford high class lawyers really get you out of trouble?
Post by: moonbear on January 29, 2012, 06:02 am
How did ene get caught? I'd like to learn from his mistake

Ordered BULK BULK amnts of RC and had them seized and ordered more stuff to same address.  After that crosshars were pretty much on him and he did not know he was being watched.    Careless mistakes is what.
After bulk RC's don't arrive from someone you trust you'd think he'd stop ordering... What kind of bulk are we talking? Could this happen to an average buyer?
Title: Re: Can being able to afford high class lawyers really get you out of trouble?
Post by: toker420 on January 29, 2012, 05:40 pm
Yes and no. My boy got in trouble for a paraphernalia charge (got pulled over with some friends) and got it knocked down to 20 hours community service. Keep in mind he had cultivation on his record. He had to pay the attorney $2000 which is what really got him to be really good at selling methylone because he had some motivation. Now hes made 20k and has a new car.

It was the same attorney his parents hired for him when he got a marijuana cultivation charge and he only got a year of probo.

BUT HAHA if you think an attorney can get you out of a felony than you got another thing coming, they can just really really get it down.


I beg to differ, I had 3 felonies dropped to 1 misdemeanor with no probo or fines, just a $500 lawyer and sufficient evidence to prove my case was not legit, the cops wanted me bad and had nothing on me when they raided my house and I wasn't there.  Long story short they put out a warrant and it caught up with me several years later...  I wasn't there at the time of the bust so that played a big part in my success in beating the case, however the lawyer did get me off not only 1 but 3 felonies.



How did ene get caught? I'd like to learn from his mistake


Ordered BULK BULK amnts of RC and had them seized and ordered more stuff to same address.  After that crosshars were pretty much on him and he did not know he was being watched.    Careless mistakes is what.
After bulk RC's don't arrive from someone you trust you'd think he'd stop ordering... What kind of bulk are we talking? Could this happen to an average buyer?

Bulk as in multiple kilos, as in a menu 2 pages long ordering multiple kilos of each product to same drop spot.  He got a love letter and knew it was confiscated, imo his head got too big and he started thinking he was invincible and started taking major shortcuts...  hell who wouldn't go drop the $70ish bucks to set up a new drop if you were getting multiple love letters at the same drop.  An average buyer wouldn't be buying in this bulk and wouldn't be this careless, I'd assume.  Don't worry unless you're moving in more than 4 oz at a time of bud, more than a 10 pack of L, probably any more than a quarter of M, stay away from heroin, coke, meth, etc... 0 tolerance in some places, shit is not taken lightly.  Uncle sam most likely has better things for his minions to handle for the time being, hence why we are all still here.  They watch for BULK shipments coming in and if it's not good enough, they will watch you until they have the best case against you.
Title: Re: Can being able to afford high class lawyers really get you out of trouble?
Post by: Holly on January 29, 2012, 10:52 pm
Yes and no. My boy got in trouble for a paraphernalia charge (got pulled over with some friends) and got it knocked down to 20 hours community service. Keep in mind he had cultivation on his record. He had to pay the attorney $2000 which is what really got him to be really good at selling methylone because he had some motivation. Now hes made 20k and has a new car.

It was the same attorney his parents hired for him when he got a marijuana cultivation charge and he only got a year of probo.

BUT HAHA if you think an attorney can get you out of a felony than you got another thing coming, they can just really really get it down.


I beg to differ, I had 3 felonies dropped to 1 misdemeanor with no probo or fines, just a $500 lawyer and sufficient evidence to prove my case was not legit, the cops wanted me bad and had nothing on me when they raided my house and I wasn't there.  Long story short they put out a warrant and it caught up with me several years later...  I wasn't there at the time of the bust so that played a big part in my success in beating the case, however the lawyer did get me off not only 1 but 3 felonies.



How did ene get caught? I'd like to learn from his mistake


Ordered BULK BULK amnts of RC and had them seized and ordered more stuff to same address.  After that crosshars were pretty much on him and he did not know he was being watched.    Careless mistakes is what.
After bulk RC's don't arrive from someone you trust you'd think he'd stop ordering... What kind of bulk are we talking? Could this happen to an average buyer?

Bulk as in multiple kilos, as in a menu 2 pages long ordering multiple kilos of each product to same drop spot.  He got a love letter and knew it was confiscated, imo his head got too big and he started thinking he was invincible and started taking major shortcuts...  hell who wouldn't go drop the $70ish bucks to set up a new drop if you were getting multiple love letters at the same drop.  An average buyer wouldn't be buying in this bulk and wouldn't be this careless, I'd assume.  Don't worry unless you're moving in more than 4 oz at a time of bud, more than a 10 pack of L, probably any more than a quarter of M, stay away from heroin, coke, meth, etc... 0 tolerance in some places, shit is not taken lightly.  Uncle sam most likely has better things for his minions to handle for the time being, hence why we are all still here.  They watch for BULK shipments coming in and if it's not good enough, they will watch you until they have the best case against you.


Toker would you mind sharing details of your case to your comfortability? It would be nice if the community here knew what to expect in terms of legal wise.  Most of us have not been busted yet.  I too, have had 5 felonies get dropped in court due to search & seizure laws, boy did that piss the drug task force off.  Maybe they shouldn't have thrown me out of my car and just said they smelled pot out of my window.  Dumbshits.

Legal costs was roughly 5k with over 100k worth of product 'seized'.
Title: Re: Can being able to afford high class lawyers really get you out of trouble?
Post by: toker420 on January 30, 2012, 02:17 am
Pretty much my house was a spot where everyone partied, sold drugs, used drugs, etc.  all day every day.  People in and out all the time.  Right on a huge colleges campus.  I was out of town for a week or so and the pigs raided the place.(Still not sure how/why we got raided, maybe ratted out)  They found a lot of stuff I don't feel comfortable mentioning because of connective purposes.  They thought I was the mastermind behind the operation because I "knew" they were coming and wasn't there(didn't really know, that's what the piggies thought).  I dipped out for a while, warrant caught up with me a few years later during traffic stop.  This bust was in no way related to online activities, only IRL stupidity.  I didn't realize it may of sounded like that.  I was very low on cash when I managed to get bonded out of jail, and when I did I owed someone several thousand for bond.  I found a lawyer for $500 and he worked his magic.  I was lucky as I said because I wasn't there, otherwise the charges would of probably stuck and I'd be fucked.  Now I just lay low and don't fuck around with anything IRL or online, only personal amounts of bud and occasional tab or 2 of L.

toker
Title: Re: Can being able to afford high class lawyers really get you out of trouble?
Post by: Holly on January 30, 2012, 03:07 am
Pretty much my house was a spot where everyone partied, sold drugs, used drugs, etc.  all day every day.  People in and out all the time.  Right on a huge colleges campus.  I was out of town for a week or so and the pigs raided the place.(Still not sure how/why we got raided, maybe ratted out)  They found a lot of stuff I don't feel comfortable mentioning because of connective purposes.  They thought I was the mastermind behind the operation because I "knew" they were coming and wasn't there(didn't really know, that's what the piggies thought).  I dipped out for a while, warrant caught up with me a few years later during traffic stop.  This bust was in no way related to online activities, only IRL stupidity.  I didn't realize it may of sounded like that.  I was very low on cash when I managed to get bonded out of jail, and when I did I owed someone several thousand for bond.  I found a lawyer for $500 and he worked his magic.  I was lucky as I said because I wasn't there, otherwise the charges would of probably stuck and I'd be fucked.  Now I just lay low and don't fuck around with anything IRL or online, only personal amounts of bud and occasional tab or 2 of L.

toker

Right on mate.  After having guns drawn at me and my family, I stopped having people over, stopped partying, didn't really stop doing drugs, became a personal user.  I went out of the game and even stopped supplying to friends.  Point being, you can only be responsible for yourself, having more people involved means you will likely have to be responsible for their stupidity at some point too.  Another lesson,  AVOID JUNKIES.  Avoid people who like really high quality drugs and they know you can get it, they will do anything to be your friend, and will never have your back when you are fucked.  When it comes to drugs, most of the time stick it to yourself.  UNLESS, you have money to back it up and are knowledgeable on the legal system.  (Also have lawyer on retainer AT ALL TIMES)  If you can't, stay out of the fucking game because the war on drugs TAKES MANY VICTIMS.  Having SWAT enter your house is one of the most traumatic experiences I have ever encountered.  Those guys are straight up adrenaline thugs who don't give a fuck even if you have a child in the cribroom sleeping they will tear that shit apart trying to find that nonexistent kilo of heroin.  Another lesson is never get cocky.  Doesn't matter if you've been in the game 10 years or 3 months and banking, never loosen your security measures.  Did I mention avoid junkies?
Title: Re: Can being able to afford high class lawyers really get you out of trouble?
Post by: chronicpain on January 30, 2012, 03:09 am
usually, big time lawyers are well known to all the local judges. The judges know that the good attorney will use every law to their advantage. the judge wants it off his desk as fast as possible (usually). So, when he sees a high powered attorney, deals go a lot smoother.

I had a close relative that got popped shoplifting and couldnt afford a lawyer and had to have a public defender (btw, dont ever use them,beg or borrow the money for an attorney) the public defender spent a total of 5 minutes reviewing the case and the judges know this. He said, "oh you will probably get probation and a fine" she did 3 months in county with the biggest fine he could throw at her and she served every day of that 3 months. He didn't allow for good time or work release.

dont just pick a lawyer out of the phone book either. Do some research. A good attorney is worth every penny.
Title: Re: Can being able to afford high class lawyers really get you out of trouble?
Post by: Holly on January 30, 2012, 03:23 am
^ Another great tip.  However let me throw some information out that some public defenders are one of the hardest workers in the legal industry.  SOME of them.  Most of them have HUGE caseloads and are paid shitty at best.  But there are a handful of some that will diligently defend your case to the death because it will in turn make then look good in the future. 

When you are in a legal mess and you just got bonded out (awaiting preliminary trial), don't just go finding a public defender in the main lobby.  YOU BETTER BE SUCKING DICK FOR MONEY FOR A BETTER LAWYER.  Well don't really go out degrading yourself but please do make a substantial effort in getting more money, when your future is at stake, how much are you willing to pay?  The public defender may or may not go Bruce Lee in the ring, it is a diceroll.   Unless you are seriously substantially poor beyond recognition.

When finding lawyers, it is a good idea to ask people more than your peers or even google,  in order to find my lawyer, I asked a teacher of mine who taught a law class, he referred me to his colleague, not because he knew the guy, but because he knew the guy was definitely one of the higher tiers.  (p.s. he hated the guys guts, but he loved me as a student and did not want to see me going away for nonviolent crimes)
Title: Re: Can being able to afford high class lawyers really get you out of trouble?
Post by: Drone75blackbird on January 30, 2012, 10:06 pm
Everyone who is American here (especially young people not really acquainted with our legal system) please watch this video. It could save you jail time.

It's called "Don't Talk to the Police". The first half is a great defense attorney telling you why even if you are honest and innocent it can still hurt you. The second half is a successful prosecutor who basically tells you the defense attorney is 100% correct.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc
Title: Re: Can being able to afford high class lawyers really get you out of trouble?
Post by: opendarkness on January 31, 2012, 04:06 pm
No. You just end up losing more time and money. But there is an advantage and some judges enjoy the theater performance.
Title: Re: Can being able to afford high class lawyers really get you out of trouble?
Post by: BigFlake on February 01, 2012, 03:57 am
Everyone who is American here (especially young people not really acquainted with our legal system) please watch this video. It could save you jail time.

It's called "Don't Talk to the Police". The first half is a great defense attorney telling you why even if you are honest and innocent it can still hurt you. The second half is a successful prosecutor who basically tells you the defense attorney is 100% correct.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc


This is great stuff.  You have the right by birth in the US to not say a word to the cops.  It's called the 5th Amendment and contrary to common belief, you are not guilty by taking the 5th.  Any good defense lawyer will tell you the same thing.  Don't help the cops make their case by saying anything.  Granted, they may have plenty of physical evidence but let them prove it was in your possession, your intent was to sell, etc.  If you talk, every word can be used against you (Miranda) but will NEVER be used to help you get off.

BF