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Discussion => Drug safety => Topic started by: danknugsdun on June 27, 2012, 09:28 am

Title: Krokodil
Post by: danknugsdun on June 27, 2012, 09:28 am
If any SR staff are reading this can we please ensure this drug is kept off SR. Fuck, I'd rather see CP on here than Krokodil.

For any who are interested this drug is literally something of a poison that rots the skin and flesh. Eventually it gets so bad that bare bones can become exposed.

I wouldn't like to get into how much it costs and how its made or even how to get it. But for the sake of everyone's safety here please can we make sure this drug is never made available on the road.

Thanks

Dank
Title: Re: Krokodil
Post by: Gary Oak on June 27, 2012, 09:39 am
Who the fucks going to sell Krokodil, much less buy it, when there's so much heroin in the world to sell? I don't think we'll need to worry about this much, we'd probably have a better chance of seeing someone offer Jenkem than Krokodil. :P
Title: Re: Krokodil
Post by: danknugsdun on June 27, 2012, 09:44 am
Who the fucks going to sell Krokodil? - I'm guessing there are some people here who has access to it

much less buy it? - People who are fed up of the prices of heroin

when there's so much heroin in the world to sell? - I agree

I don't think we'll need to worry about this much - Just a concerned individual

we'd probably have a better chance of seeing someone offer Jenkem than Krokodil. - LOL Jenkem. Nothing like some human shit.

Thanks

Dank
Title: Re: Krokodil
Post by: Joeyjojojr on June 27, 2012, 09:50 am
Jenkem? How much do you think it would go for? Ive got a couple of bottles of 1994 vintage jenkem im letting age in my basement. 1994 was a good year for jenkem.

Im pretty sure krokidil is just poor mans H. They make it in piss poor third world countrys where if you go on vacation and go out to dance clubs you can fuck hot chicks, but its all a set up and then you end up in a weird old factory where people come and pay money to kill you.

Its an injectable form of opium that hasnt been refined with the proper chemicals and as you stated can cause all types of permanent damage if its injected from infections and other issues.

Id try it, lol.
Title: Re: Krokodil
Post by: danknugsdun on June 27, 2012, 10:18 am
Fuck, I'd rather see CP on here than Krokodil.
I'm with you man but really? The chemical itself isn't even that harmful it's just the way it's cooked, which is probably about as cheap as it'd cost to ship the horrid stuff so I can't see it ever getting on here.

Still though it's just a drug, I don't think you should judge if someone wants to kill themselves that way. And I especially don't think it's comparable to ruining a children's lives for the pleasure of pedophiles.

It was just a way of saying I really wouldn't like to see Krokodil on here. I don't judge anybody, if they take a certain drug I don't like I won't dislike them as a person.

Also yes it is drug, I'm in no way insinuating that CP should be accepted here. As I said it was just an extreme way of saying I would hate to see Krokodil for sale here.

Dank
Title: Re: Krokodil
Post by: schranz on June 27, 2012, 10:59 am
As already said, pure Desomorphine has the same (low) toxicity like the rest of the Opioid-Family, the problem with Krokodil lies in the crude Synthesis via Iodine, Phosphor+Codeine.

The chances that it will show up on SR are pretty small imho,
as the reason for it´s consumption in Russia is a combination of the high prices for Heroin in RU, a lack of alternatives and the wide availability of precursor chems.
Title: Re: Krokodil
Post by: jh0000n on June 27, 2012, 05:29 pm
Desomorphine is about 10 times more potent than heroin.....I wonder how hard it would be to actually get a clean synthesis. Codeins available everywhere for cheap and the chemicals for synthesis are pretty common aswell. Maybe they just dodnt take the time to purify it afterwards and shoot up the acetone? lol
Title: Re: Krokodil
Post by: overman on June 27, 2012, 05:46 pm
I heard there's another scary drug out there called "tobacco" which kills 6 million people a year. We shouldn't allow that on SR either.
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Seriously, though, if somebody's going to kill themselves like that they'll find a way, krokodil or no.
Title: Re: Krokodil
Post by: oscarzululondon on June 27, 2012, 05:48 pm
The whole point of Krokodil is that it is very cheap and easy to make. That's why it wont ever be sold here because it simply isn't economically worth it, you can purchase the ingredients cheaper than the shipping cost.

The ingredients are particularly easy to get hold of from chemists in Russia and eastern Europe, which is why it's such a huge issue there. That tied with the fact that shipping to Russia is a nightmare means Krokodil has taken off there big time. The Russian government either needs to ban the ingredients (which they won't do as they're in cheap common painkillers), or open up the borders a bit and allow safer, cleaner hard drugs such as Heroin though a little more (I thought I'd never be saying that in my whole life!).

It's a whole world of irony really. Prohibition is literally killing people quicker than the alternative.

I heard there's another scary drug out there called "tobacco" which kills 6 million people a year. We shouldn't allow that on SR either.

Tobacco doesn't do this to you:
https://adamsdaughter.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/krokodile.jpg
Title: Re: Krokodil
Post by: schranz on June 27, 2012, 06:12 pm
Desomorphine is about 10 times more potent than heroin.....I wonder how hard it would be to actually get a clean synthesis. Codeins available everywhere for cheap and the chemicals for synthesis are pretty common aswell.

A clean synthesis of Codeine -> Desomorphine is alot harder than the krok route (or the yield would be extreme small).
Codeine->Hydrocodone/Morphine->Hydromorphone is way better than trying to get Desomorphine.
Title: Re: Krokodil
Post by: qetuoljgdaxvn on June 27, 2012, 06:58 pm
If any SR staff are reading this can we please ensure this drug is kept off SR. Fuck, I'd rather see CP on here than Krokodil.

For any who are interested this drug is literally something of a poison that rots the skin and flesh. Eventually it gets so bad that bare bones can become exposed.

I wouldn't like to get into how much it costs and how its made or even how to get it. But for the sake of everyone's safety here please can we make sure this drug is never made available on the road.

Thanks

Dank

+1 Karma

Plenty of other poison around here to choose from kids, let's not look for something that for once doesn't just have a fkt up scary sounding name, but has properties that are much worse.
Title: Re: Krokodil
Post by: blackend646 on June 27, 2012, 10:34 pm
Why anybody on Silkroad would call for the prohibition of anything is beyond me.

Anyone who is going to order a drug that makes your skin rot from the inside out knows what they are getting into, it's nobodies responsibility to act like their mother.

Come on, you guys are smarter than that.
Title: Re: Krokodil
Post by: oscarzululondon on June 28, 2012, 12:19 am
The person that unleashed this evil upon this earth deserves to be...

Hung, Strung, And Quartered!

Or at least held and forced to inject this shit until they painfully melt to their death.

Kroc is not a drug. It is pure evil on the human race objectified!

Russia released this evil on their own population as a tactic of prohibition.

Legalise drugs, end Krokodil....
Title: Re: Krokodil
Post by: Limetless on June 28, 2012, 12:34 am
Desomorphine is about 10 times more potent than heroin.....I wonder how hard it would be to actually get a clean synthesis. Codeins available everywhere for cheap and the chemicals for synthesis are pretty common aswell. Maybe they just dodnt take the time to purify it afterwards and shoot up the acetone? lol

It's extremely easy to get a clean synthesis of Desmorphine, it's just that Krokodil is made by retarded junky Russians who know about as much about chemistry or give as much of a fuck about their health as a Mrs Lionheart of the DEA or your average run-of-the-mill junky respectively.

IMO anyone that is stupid enough to use Krokodil deserves what they get. If you are that much of a mug that you are willing to take a drug from someones partially rotted hand and know full well that drugs rotted it then more fool you. I do have a certain amount of sympathy for retards but there are limits.
Title: Re: Krokodil
Post by: deliric on June 28, 2012, 12:50 am
Trust me, people who shoot krokodil have sold their computers and internet cables a long long time ago ;)
Title: Re: Krokodil
Post by: Limetless on June 28, 2012, 12:51 am
Desomorphine is about 10 times more potent than heroin.....I wonder how hard it would be to actually get a clean synthesis. Codeins available everywhere for cheap and the chemicals for synthesis are pretty common aswell. Maybe they just dodnt take the time to purify it afterwards and shoot up the acetone? lol

It's extremely easy to get a clean synthesis of Desmorphine, it's just that Krokodil is made by retarded junky Russians who know about as much about chemistry or give as much of a fuck about their health as a Mrs Lionheart of the DEA or your average run-of-the-mill junky respectively.

IMO anyone that is stupid enough to use Krokodil deserves what they get. If you are that much of a mug that you are willing to take a drug from someones partially rotted hand and know full well that drugs rotted it then more fool you. I do have a certain amount of sympathy for retards but there are limits.

It's one thing being a retard, but if you are an addict and a retard, at the same time...

You're SCREWED!

Excellent post L I'd +1 you if I could  :)

Why thank you. And tbh this is one of those things where I don't think being an addict comes into it, using Krokodil is like meeting someone you fancy, them telling you they have AIDs and then fucking them anyway and nicking your penis just to "make it extra risky". Complete idiocy.
Title: Re: Krokodil
Post by: foxymeow on June 28, 2012, 01:02 am
Russia invented p***** and all kind of crazy shit. I think vodka might be a currency there. NYAN CAT!  ;D

Please don't mention the P word. That makes xanax seem like childs play.
Title: Re: Krokodil
Post by: Ben on June 28, 2012, 01:02 am
Desomorphine is about 10 times more potent than heroin.....I wonder how hard it would be to actually get a clean synthesis. Codeins available everywhere for cheap and the chemicals for synthesis are pretty common aswell. Maybe they just dodnt take the time to purify it afterwards and shoot up the acetone? lol

The latter is exactly the problem with this drug.

The synthesis rout from codeine to desmorphine is not very complicated, and neither is purification of desmorpine afterwards. Krokodil omits any of those steps though, it simply is the result of reacting codeine to desmorphine leaving all the reagents (spent or not) in the mixture and then injecting it.

I imagine this goes like people getting codeine tablets and adding a dash of X, then Y, and simply injecting whatever remains after that. The nasty graphic results you see online are not caused by desmorphine at all, but they are simply the result of injecting the crud that remains after the synthesis reaction. Even if the end product contained no desmorphine at all, results would be equally bad if people kept injecting it - though i don't suppose they would since there would be nothing addictive.

Krokodil is really a drug used in poverty, not unlike sniffing glue and such. Far safer substances that give the same effect are on the market, just at a higher price.

The active substance, desmorphine, isn't particularly dangerous compared to other potent opiates. While it is about 10 times more potent than morphine, if taken at equally effective doses it is no more dangerous.
Title: Re: Krokodil
Post by: oscarzululondon on June 28, 2012, 01:03 am
IMO anyone that is stupid enough to use Krokodil deserves what they get. If you are that much of a mug that you are willing to take a drug from someones partially rotted hand and know full well that drugs rotted it then more fool you. I do have a certain amount of sympathy for retards but there are limits.

To an extent I agree, but water always flows downhill along the easiest path, and humans are the same...

People that have such bad lives (which many poor Russians do, it's not even sunny in some parts of Russia ever FFS), are almost inevitably going to start along the route of drug dependency to create a happier existence in their own minds. The Russian government could ease this by relaxing restrictions on imports of softer drugs such as weed, mushrooms and MDMA which would negatively affect people physically a lot less than home made krokodil.
Title: Re: Krokodil
Post by: deliric on June 28, 2012, 01:05 am
These people would rather die than go through H withdrawals... that's why they choose krokodil. So I guess it's their own choice.

As for it being on SR. LOL!
Title: Re: Krokodil
Post by: Ben on June 28, 2012, 01:09 am
Obviously this crap as no place on SR, and noone here would buy it.

Let is just be an example of how bad the results can be if governments crack down in imports of drugs to the point where those depending on them are preferring being literally consumed by the drug over withdrawal.
Title: Re: Krokodil
Post by: Limetless on June 28, 2012, 01:19 am
IMO anyone that is stupid enough to use Krokodil deserves what they get. If you are that much of a mug that you are willing to take a drug from someones partially rotted hand and know full well that drugs rotted it then more fool you. I do have a certain amount of sympathy for retards but there are limits.

To an extent I agree, but water always flows downhill along the easiest path, and humans are the same...

People that have such bad lives (which many poor Russians do, it's not even sunny in some parts of Russia ever FFS), are almost inevitably going to start along the route of drug dependency to create a happier existence in their own minds. The Russian government could ease this by relaxing restrictions on imports of softer drugs such as weed, mushrooms and MDMA which would negatively affect people physically a lot less than home made krokodil.

Yeah but to be honest, when it comes to shit like this I just call it natural selection. That may be a bit controversial for some and sound harsh but it is just how I see things. Life weather you like it or not is survival of the fittest rather than survival of the shittest. The shittest can mean anything from being a bastard and having karma bite you in the ass or it can mean making the decision to use a drug like Krokodil.

And yeah but that is the case of all governments, if they allowed it then there wouldn't be half as many issues but that just ain't gunna happen.
Title: Re: Krokodil
Post by: Limetless on June 28, 2012, 01:24 am
Russia invented p***** and all kind of crazy shit. I think vodka might be a currency there. NYAN CAT!  ;D

Please don't mention the P word. That makes xanax seem like childs play.

I found it appropriate considering it's a Soviet benzo, and we're discussing horrible Soviet drugs. I've never touched the stuff, came as close to an invalid credit card payment from getting it. I had no scales, I needed some sort of benzo at the time. If I didn't discover AirMailChemist I would have bought the stuff and undoubtedly overdosed and done something spectacularly insane. Phenazepam is showing up around here in legal headshop products. It's really bad shit. I've read countless horror stories. I feel humbled having come so close to experiencing it. I will never take that shit, even if I develop hardcore epilepsy.

Two words that must be said any time Phenpam is mentioned - FUCK PHENPAM. If that isn't enough to put someone off taking Phenpam then you need to punch them in the back of the head shouting FUCK PHENPAM over and over. If that isn't enough just break their hands and feet so they can't get to the Phenpam and shout FUCK PHENPAM while you do it.

FUCK PHENPAM. IMO that stuff is easily up their with Meth/Smack/Crack/PCP on the "Dangerous drugs I will not even consider trying" list. In a lot of ways I would say it's even worse.

The Soviets invented Methcathinone as well yano and that shit is rougher than a sandpaper anal bead too.
Title: Re: Krokodil
Post by: deliric on June 28, 2012, 01:39 am
Oh my sweet jesus god. That sounds so bad.


Title: Re: Krokodil
Post by: oscarzululondon on June 28, 2012, 01:47 am
and another where a dude woke up in jail two months or so later, with no knowledge of how he got there

That wasn't from the effects of krokodil alone....

2 Months? Sounds like krokodil combined with severe bi-polar disorder and clinical psychosis.
Title: Re: Krokodil
Post by: Limetless on June 28, 2012, 01:49 am
and another where a dude woke up in jail two months or so later, with no knowledge of how he got there

That wasn't from the effects of krokodil alone....

He's referring to Phenpam or Methcathinone I think mate.
Title: Re: Krokodil
Post by: deliric on June 28, 2012, 01:49 am
Phenazepam, not the krokodil.

P H E N A Z E P A M

get it?

apparently, it's really bad.
Title: Re: Krokodil
Post by: redalloverthelandguyhere on June 28, 2012, 02:35 am
I have seen a few documentaries on this drug.

Its like meth in that anyone can read the recipe and be a one trick chemist.

Unlike meth it does tend to actually be VERY destructive and users injecting this will almost certainly not be having a 50th birthday party.

A horrible drug.

And if they are using codeine to make it, it would be wiser to just use codeine which is benign on the body.

I would ban this drug - more out of concern for people who must surely have issues if they are prepared to use this shit.

Heroin, I can let that go. I know heroin users. Heroin is naughty, this is a horrible bastard of a drug.

I'd hate to inject but understand why people do that.

But injecting this?

I wonder what the feedback is like?

crazy world I guess.

But - people who want it will make it soon enough if the economy hits bad. I am guessing it is poor Russians doing this shit?

Cannot see anyone with money choosing that over heroin or even codeine which is ok if you lay off the other opiates!
Title: Re: Krokodil
Post by: deliric on June 28, 2012, 02:55 am
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And if they are using codeine to make it, it would be wiser to just use codeine which is benign on the body.

Codeine is cat piss for somebody hooked on smack, you should know that. Won't even help with the w/d's one bit.

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I wonder what the feedback is like?

FE for trusted krokodil seller. Might as well FE since I might not be around when this gets here.
Got to Russia in 5 days but the mailman stole it, got 70% refund. Will buy again.
Just tried it. LITERALLY HANDS DOWN CRAZY SHIT!! I have to type with my feet right now. I'll give this a 5/5. You have a new customer!
Packaging was stealthy as fuck. Couldn't even open it with 3 and a half fingers, had to get a friend to get it for me. AAA+ quality. Trusted vendor. You know he's good when your left leg just falls right off after a shot :)
Title: Re: Krokodil
Post by: dannypricefixer on June 28, 2012, 05:10 am
I think the only place this drug has a foothold is in impoverished Eastern European nations, where people cannot afford heroin. I've seen the videos and pics though, it's horrifying...
Title: Re: Krokodil
Post by: Limetless on June 28, 2012, 05:14 am
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And if they are using codeine to make it, it would be wiser to just use codeine which is benign on the body.

Codeine is cat piss for somebody hooked on smack, you should know that. Won't even help with the w/d's one bit.

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I wonder what the feedback is like?

FE for trusted krokodil seller. Might as well FE since I might not be around when this gets here.
Got to Russia in 5 days but the mailman stole it, got 70% refund. Will buy again.
Just tried it. LITERALLY HANDS DOWN CRAZY SHIT!! I have to type with my feet right now. I'll give this a 5/5. You have a new customer!
Packaging was stealthy as fuck. Couldn't even open it with 3 and a half fingers, had to get a friend to get it for me. AAA+ quality. Trusted vendor. You know he's good when your left leg just falls right off after a shot :)

+1 for the funniest thing I have read on SR in a long time. That shit actually brought tears to my eyes.  ;D
Title: Re: Krokodil
Post by: JezuzWazaMushroom on June 28, 2012, 11:24 am
BAN THIS SHIT (not pure desomorphine though) AS WELL AS SCOPOLAMINE! Personally I would ban METHYLAMPHETAMINE too... just sayin!
Title: Re: Krokodil
Post by: deliric on June 28, 2012, 02:58 pm
Yes! Let's make krokodil and methamphetamine illegal!!!
Title: Re: Krokodil
Post by: greenforward on June 28, 2012, 08:20 pm
Making it illegal won't do anything.
There will come a new dangerous alternative.

It could help to make the legal pills where they make it from illegal.
Then the price will rise and it's not interesting to do the crappy alternative for the real drug.
Title: Re: Krokodil
Post by: Limetless on June 28, 2012, 09:19 pm
Lol....yeah guys, Meth and Desmorphine already been banned for quite a while....
Title: Re: Krokodil
Post by: deliric on June 28, 2012, 10:08 pm
So you didn't get my saracasm? How sad...
Title: Re: Krokodil
Post by: Limetless on June 28, 2012, 10:10 pm
Lol I just woke up, still not the sharpest tool in the box yet.
Title: Re: Krokodil
Post by: Ben on June 29, 2012, 01:27 am
Well, if they ever do legalize recreational drugs, krokodil would be a prime example of something to ban afterwards because of its dangerous and inactive components. If they politicians ever get their heads around it, we should make use of of the FDA to take contaminated batches of desmorphine off the market.

Reality probably is that some DEA spokespuppet will state that krokodil is equally dangerous to cannabis, -because- both are illegal, and all illegal drugs cause limitless harm to both the user and society as a whole. The exact substance doesnt really matter in that line of reasoning, although it becomes somewhat problematic if the substance is legally used in medical care.
Title: Re: Krokodil
Post by: Limetless on June 29, 2012, 01:35 am
Well, if they ever do legalize recreational drugs, krokodil would be a prime example of something to ban afterwards because of its dangerous and inactive components. If they politicians ever get their heads around it, we should make use of of the FDA to take contaminated batches of desmorphine off the market.

Reality probably is that some DEA spokespuppet will state that krokodil is equally dangerous to cannabis, -because- both are illegal, and all illegal drugs cause limitless harm to both the user and society as a whole. The exact substance doesnt really matter in that line of reasoning, although it becomes somewhat problematic if the substance is legally used in medical care.

It wouldn't be need to be used in medical care IMO. All this is moot anyway because the former will never happen and the latter wont either because Krokodil wouldn't be used in countries where Smack is easy to get.
Title: Re: Krokodil
Post by: TheGrandWizard on June 29, 2012, 01:40 am
Well, if they ever do legalize recreational drugs, krokodil would be a prime example of something to ban afterwards because of its dangerous and inactive components.

If they legalize recreational drugs, Russian junkies won't have to shoot up shit like krokodil to get high and the problem will take care of itself.
Title: Re: Krokodil
Post by: Ben on June 29, 2012, 01:47 am
That is the way i think about it anyway. If drugs were held against the same standards are OTC medication that would save people from a whole lot of misery.

Title: Re: Krokodil
Post by: Limetless on June 29, 2012, 01:49 am
That is the way i think about it anyway. If drugs were held against the same standards are OTC medication that would save people from a whole lot of misery.

Lol yeah but as I say....never gunna happen.
Title: Re: Krokodil
Post by: deliric on June 29, 2012, 01:50 am
Who cares about the Russian junkies, though?

99% of them knew they would end up that way, so why start shooting krokodil?

I say this: Fuck the Russian junkies. Natural selection my brother.
Title: Re: Krokodil
Post by: Limetless on June 29, 2012, 01:52 am
Who cares about the Russian junkies, though?

99% of them knew they would end up that way, so why start shooting krokodil?

I say this: Fuck the Russian junkies. Natural selection my brother.

Yeah like I said earlier in the thread I think that Krokodil is part of natural selection. If you are dumb enough to do that shit then what the fuck do you expect lol? And like I said, I have sympathy for idiots but that sympathy only extends so far.
Title: Re: Krokodil
Post by: deliric on June 29, 2012, 01:54 am
It's not like they didn't have a choice, like with a benzo addiction. A benzo withdrawal can kill you, so you NEED more benzos.
Heroin withdrawal won't kill you, so you can just go fuck yourself and kick it.
Title: Re: Krokodil
Post by: Enemy of the State on June 29, 2012, 03:51 pm
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I wonder what the feedback is like?

FE for trusted krokodil seller. Might as well FE since I might not be around when this gets here.
Got to Russia in 5 days but the mailman stole it, got 70% refund. Will buy again.
Just tried it. LITERALLY HANDS DOWN CRAZY SHIT!! I have to type with my feet right now. I'll give this a 5/5. You have a new customer!
Packaging was stealthy as fuck. Couldn't even open it with 3 and a half fingers, had to get a friend to get it for me. AAA+ quality. Trusted vendor. You know he's good when your left leg just falls right off after a shot :)

Dude that was like the funniest thing I've read all week. Fucking hilarious. Still laughing.
This is some serious ate up shit though. I understand having a death wish but what the fuck? Was looking at pictures in an article about krok and the bitches leg was peeling off and she has a smile on her face. Put a gun to my head and send me on down the fucking road.
Title: Re: Krokodil
Post by: Ben on June 30, 2012, 12:14 am
It's not like they didn't have a choice, like with a benzo addiction. A benzo withdrawal can kill you, so you NEED more benzos.
Heroin withdrawal won't kill you, so you can just go fuck yourself and kick it.

Going to opiate withdrawal can be dangerous, and certainly unpleasant.

In the netherlands there has been a state sponsored initiative to supply methandone to heroin addicts, which has been moderately successful. Krokodil is a substance with the reverse effect: it may relieve craving too, but its more dangerous then the drug that was the original problem.

Afaik there are no such programs dealing with benzo addiction, but i suppose gradual withdrawal would be the most sensible scheme there. Replacing one benzo for another doesnt really work... at least not when wanting to quit using them completely. 
Title: Re: Krokodil
Post by: weedsaves on June 30, 2012, 04:54 am
If my memory serves me there are benzo withdrawal clinics in the UK. Definitely don't wanna quit benzos cold turkey as it CAN kill you. The UK clinic had a tapering program that they made publicly available online. A google search could probably turn it up.
Title: Re: Krokodil
Post by: Ben on July 01, 2012, 01:31 am
There might be clinics in the UK, i wouldn't know.

I suppose the regiment is to slowly but steadily taper off doses though. Cold turkey cessation could certainly result in a fit, but tapering off use is far less risky, and would in most cases not require hospitalization at all.
Title: Re: Krokodil
Post by: -Truckin- on July 01, 2012, 03:42 pm
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FE for trusted krokodil seller. Might as well FE since I might not be around when this gets here.
Got to Russia in 5 days but the mailman stole it, got 70% refund. Will buy again.
Just tried it. LITERALLY HANDS DOWN CRAZY SHIT!! I have to type with my feet right now. I'll give this a 5/5. You have a new customer!
Packaging was stealthy as fuck. Couldn't even open it with 3 and a half fingers, had to get a friend to get it for me. AAA+ quality. Trusted vendor. You know he's good when your left leg just falls right off after a shot :)

Hahaha!