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Discussion => Newbie discussion => Topic started by: TrendsForcast on September 02, 2013, 12:01 pm
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Let me first start by saying I've been a member on here for a little over a year now, I've contemplated writing this for a while, but came to the conclusion that by presenting the facts you guys can make up your own minds.
When I started, like many of you, I was completely seduced by the sheer quantity and quality of whats available here on SR. Like a kid buying pick'n'mix, I got out my bag and started filling: a little of this, a little of that, legal/illegal I bought a sample of everything.
At this point I should point out that in the past I have "carded" items online before. For those of you that don't know what that means: effectively buying goods with other peoples credit cards.
Now, the problem came when I ordered some prescription medication, which for obvious reasons I dont have access to in my country. So I logged on, found a vendor in "India" and placed my order. 4 Weeks later a package arrived, no stealth, no effort, nothing. Simply an envelope with a box of pills thrown in and an invoice from a legitimate Indian company charged to someone in the US.
I think nothing of it given the vendors VERY high feedback, so about a month later I ordered again, and then again. Each time the invoice is charged to different people, either in the US or UK.
Eventually I realized this was exactly how I received items I had carded before from legitimate companies.
It concerns me that many of these legal items, such as Nbomes, Prescription Medication is being bought on stolen credit card data. It concerns me the vendor puts their BUYERS in a position of complete vulnerability, not only will they be responsible for importing illegal substances, but also credit card fraud all of it being directly linked to their home.
I was going to write this because I am unsure of ways to combat it, I guess the only way to ensure a vendor your dealing with is legitimate is by including a random message/logo.
Anyway, I would love to hear what you guys have to say.
Peace.Love.RocknRoll
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You are advocating vendors mark their packages with a logo??...
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effectively buying goods with other peoples credit cards.
You're scum. I hope you are caught, locked up and raped multiple times by multiple black men. Even then i dont think you would be even with Karma.
Your a dirty tea leaf and you deserve everything bad that happens to you.
Fuck You.
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Go fuck yourself, asshole! You're one of those pussies that steal money from elderly people to get your fix...Get a job and stop stealing people's hard earned money, prick! One of you assholes have been bleeding my grandmother dry for the past year, you'll rot in hell for sure...I hate when people talk all bad on the internet, but I swear to god I would whoop your ass real good, if I ever had the opportunity...SCUM is the only way to describe people like you!
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all of it being directly linked directly to their home
So wait... you don't use drops? And although you yourself have "carded" you now feel it's wrong for others to?
Hypocrite.
When you make the decision to link illegal activity to your address you are implicitly accepting the consequences. You already chose to order illegal drugs, and didn't take precautions for your security. If you get caught for fraud, its no different. Especially since it seems like Karma has yet to catch up with you when you carried out the same activity yourself.
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You wont get any simpathy here you fucking theif yes we might be drug addicts,users and alike but you are the bottom of the fucking barrel mate nothing worse then a fucking carding loser piece of shit. Go get a rope and do us all a favor
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Wow. Yeah I had to do a double take when I read this. It just baffles that these kind of scumbags can be so brazen about their scamming people,as if it's ok and everyone here on SR is just so cool about fucking people over. Like SR is all scumbags. No, you Trend* are a scumbag. Hopefully, you will realize your ways and change. I don't hate people like you as I just see you as a product of a bad upbringing and have come to believe that screwing everyone over is the way to be ahead of the pack. But this is just wrong. You are sick. Get help. You sound like a junkie. SR could not exist if it was made up of a bunch of swindlers and thieves. Most of the people on SR are upstanding chaps who just believe in freedom to explore the human psyche. We don't need
street trash gutter snipe like you Trend* to muck up a beautiful system. Now I am sorry for those harsh words.
Go into the woods alone for a month, with little food and water. Perhaps you will find who you are. Perhaps you will be confronted with truth. That you are a lie. That you have no scruples because you are not comfortable with your place in the universe. Start doing charitable works. There is hope for you, regardless of what others say. I do not believe in fighting hate with more hate.
The universe loves you just the way you are, you do not need to steal from it. Everything can be had by asking. If it is not given then it's not meant to be had. I hope you fix your illness now as the torment of eons of karmic guilt will be the worst hell ever. I'd rather not hear your cries, as I have heard the souls of the damned many times too many. Be at peace.
Rest of SR, don't beat hard on this person with words of hate. Hate just breeds more hate. Pray that (s)he sees the light and receives redemption.
Cheers,
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Karma man, what you did was not cool.
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effectively buying goods with other peoples credit cards.
You're scum. I hope you are caught, locked up and raped multiple times by multiple black men. Even then i dont think you would be even with Karma.
Your a dirty tea leaf and you deserve everything bad that happens to you.
Fuck You.
For the record cc as insured so he stole from visa not the person lol
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Idk if everyone is reading your post right or wrong either way I'll assume both.
1. you shouldn't have admitted you carded when your complaining about it (terrible idea).
2. I don't like it either but all i can do is not buy from that vendor I wont complain its illegal and had to come from somewhere.
3. I'm praying your not fishing for sympathy just remember this is the internet nobody cares.
4.For the record cc as insured so he stole from visa not the person lol
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I must have missed something here. I get that cc fraud is shady but why are you all attacking the OP and nothing of what he is saying? If vendors are doing what he's saying, that is 100x worse. I mean I had my cc stolen, reported the fraud, got my money back, no biggie. Annoying but nothing nearly as bad as a vendor using a stolen cc to buy drugs from another website and have them shipped directly to you. Did you guys miss that part? The vendor isn't buying them with a stolen CC and getting them first and then shipping them, the vendor is pretending to have the drugs for sale but is actually just using stolen CC to order them off some shady website presumably, shipped directly to you.
I don't know if this story is substantiated or not but that would be awful.
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:-P
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I guess I add myself to the list of haters above me, for the following reasons:
THIS IS UTTER NONSENSE
What proof do you have against this? What if these are random corporations the vendor uses to launder his money?
What if, MOST LIKELY, this is a FAKE RECEIPT in case the package gets seized and YOU don't get screwed. I don't think there's some sort of conspiracy to rate a shitty vendor highly.
It's good that you point things like these out, but there's a way of saying things. And immediately throwing blame is not the correct way to go. There are several possible scenarios for this, and I believe that 'carding' is the last possible one. Also, don't generalize and claim it's a 'growing' trend. Wtf are you talking about?
PS: I concur with everyone, you're a dick for carding other people's hard-earned money. I hope karma bites back.
One love.
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For the record cc as insured so he stole from visa not the person lol
Correct.
I must have missed something here. I get that cc fraud is shady but why are you all attacking the OP and nothing of what he is saying? If vendors are doing what he's saying, that is 100x worse. I mean I had my cc stolen, reported the fraud, got my money back, no biggie. Annoying but nothing nearly as bad as a vendor using a stolen cc to buy drugs from another website and have them shipped directly to you. Did you guys miss that part? The vendor isn't buying them with a stolen CC and getting them first and then shipping them, the vendor is pretending to have the drugs for sale but is actually just using stolen CC to order them off some shady website presumably, shipped directly to you.
I don't know if this story is substantiated or not but that would be awful.
This is exactly my point.
Unfortunately it seems intelligence escapes some of you. I am merely highlighting a worry trend that I see growing ever more prevalent
Having been here considerably longer than many of you, I have seen many a vendor come and go, I have seen their practices change and update, I have, unfortunately, witnessed the migration of scammers and fraudsters.
This thread is simply a warning. Having been involved in CC fraud I know the signs and it is YOU the BUYER that will pay the consequences. It is up to you whether you believe me or do anything about it. You can bring a horse to water, but you cant make him drink.
Good Luck.
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this is simply fucked up.
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this is simply fucked up.
yeah i agree ^^^ i had to read the OP two times to realize what was going on, so fucked up i really cant believe you posted that , its unfair stealing from others so you can get high, what ashame seriously
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this is simply fucked up.
Agreed, and something needs to be done soon. These crooked vendors are a huge security breach to SR by publicizing buyers addresses to the authorities.
We need to get this fixed!
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^wow.... I'm not advocating credit card fraud but damn, I know I have stolen from others and broken the law to feed an addiction. Funny how a message board of people who break laws are quick to jump on others for breaking laws.
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For the record cc as insured so he stole from visa not the person lol
Correct.
I must have missed something here. I get that cc fraud is shady but why are you all attacking the OP and nothing of what he is saying? If vendors are doing what he's saying, that is 100x worse. I mean I had my cc stolen, reported the fraud, got my money back, no biggie. Annoying but nothing nearly as bad as a vendor using a stolen cc to buy drugs from another website and have them shipped directly to you. Did you guys miss that part? The vendor isn't buying them with a stolen CC and getting them first and then shipping them, the vendor is pretending to have the drugs for sale but is actually just using stolen CC to order them off some shady website presumably, shipped directly to you.
I don't know if this story is substantiated or not but that would be awful.
This is exactly my point.
Unfortunately it seems intelligence escapes some of you. I am merely highlighting a worry trend that I see growing ever more prevalent
Having been here considerably longer than many of you, I have seen many a vendor come and go, I have seen their practices change and update, I have, unfortunately, witnessed the migration of scammers and fraudsters.
This thread is simply a warning. Having been involved in CC fraud I know the signs and it is YOU the BUYER that will pay the consequences. It is up to you whether you believe me or do anything about it. You can bring a horse to water, but you cant make him drink.
Good Luck.
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"his is exactly my point. Unfortunately it seems intelligence escapes some of you.:"
No, actually, your post is not clear, and most of us are pretty honest, and therefore aren't familiar with the intricacies of fraud!
In response to the person that wrote:
"^wow.... I'm not advocating credit card fraud but damn, I know I have stolen from others and broken the law to feed an addiction. Funny how a message board of people who break laws are quick to jump on others for breaking laws."
I also, have stolen to fund an addiction, but it doesn't mean to say I am proud of it, I'll go to my grave in shame at what I did, BUT I know it was wrong. There's a big difference between the legality of drugs and committing fraud, that's why there is a legal distinction between "crimes of dishonesty", and other crimes. So, yes, I'll jump on other people for being dishonest, whilst enjoying my illegal drugs. There can be a case made for breaking the law to enjoy God's gift,whilst there can never be a case made for being dishonest and cheating.
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So, what you're saying is that the vendors you buy from don't verify the information or at least spot inconsistencies (different credit cards used to ship to a single address)? Or are you saying that prescription medication requires a prescription, of which you have no furnished proof, but the supplier still delivers.
I'm a little confused, and I don't understand why "including a random message/logo" helps in proving legitimacy.
Not judging here like the rest of the people here since you're being upfront and honest, though of course, morals are up to you to decide with and change when fit. Just wanting to understand what's going on.
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^wow.... I'm not advocating credit card fraud but damn, I know I have stolen from others and broken the law to feed an addiction. Funny how a message board of people who break laws are quick to jump on others for breaking laws.
don't justify your criminal actions with those of many of the fine, decent people of SR.
purchasing drugs is against the law, yes, but this does not place it under the category of an 'immoral action' such as stealing from others.
you are a person who has taken advantage of other, im sure decent people, to please yourself with your unrestrained addiction.
i have no problem whatsoever against 'addicts', if a person wants to cave in to their desires, it is their life to live. the problem arises when your addiction reaches into the lives of other to cause a negative impact.
you're missing the point on what SR is really about. just because people are here purchasing drugs does not make them criminals, it merely makes them rebellious; rebellious against the laws imposed by governments that deprive us from our freedom of choice as beings.
LL
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i think the point the op is getting at is that if this is happening to him, it is probably happening to any one of the rest of us. thankfully as a carder himself he has been able to identify this problem so maybe it can be sorted out. how would any of you feel if you bought from a seller, then not only had your items confiscated but got arrested and charged with credit card fraud?
the guy is actually doing you all a favor and none of you self righteous bastards can see it, for the sake of putting him down in order to attempt to give yourself some credit and feel good about your smarmy selves. go fuck yourselves, you don't deserve the heads up that the op has given you.
the guy robbed the banks who have been robbing us all for fucking years. give the guy a medal i say.
to the poster who called him the lowest scum. he ain't murdered nobody, he ain't a pedo or rapist. i have a feeling some here have something they are secretly ashamed of and are jumping at the chance to feel better about themselves for a moment by cussing somebody else down. that is usually the case in my experience.
rant over, you can all -1 me now motherfuckers.
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So, what you're saying is that the vendors you buy from don't verify the information or at least spot inconsistencies (different credit cards used to ship to a single address)? Or are you saying that prescription medication requires a prescription, of which you have no furnished proof, but the supplier still delivers.
I'm a little confused, and I don't understand why "including a random message/logo" helps in proving legitimacy.
Not judging here like the rest of the people here since you're being upfront and honest, though of course, morals are up to you to decide with and change when fit. Just wanting to understand what's going on.
i think what the op thinks is going on is that the sr seller is getting an order for pills, but doesn't have any pills in his possession. the sr seller is then using CC info to order the pills fraudulently from another vendor online, but giving the sr buyers details so it is shipped straight to them(called drop shipping). i'm guessing the idea is that the sr vendor gets required to put a card with some logo in his parcels to show he has shipped them himself instead of drop shipping them where he wouldn't get the opportunity to put a logo in the package as he would never touch or possess it
if this was done to you and the parcel was intercepted, you could well find yourself in a position where the only way you could get out of a CC fraud charge would be to admit to attempting to buy drugs online. with it being an indian seller that would make you liable to a charge of attempting to import a controlled substance. you'd be best to take the Cc fraud charge if anything. although technically if the order was made by the seller from a pharmacy in another country then the attempting to import charge could still apply on top of the CC fraud charge. difficult situation you'd be in that's for sure.
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Ah got it. Thanks. Great explanation there. It's basically unauthorized dropshipping with leaking of secure info. Yuck.