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Title: Is LEO really going after most of us?
Post by: bigbadwolff on August 20, 2013, 06:56 am
I use the Silkroad to purchase strictly on a personal use level.   I assume that 90% of you all do as well.   Do us little guys who buy a few grams of weed, coke, or molly really have to worry that much?  I keep reading posts by people who have themselves completely freaked the fuck out about having LEO do a controlled delivery for the half oz of OG Kush they ordered.  Being that we don't personally know our dealers in any way beyond SR it seems like kicking down our door would be worthless in the traditional sense of trying to work their way up the distribution chain.

I am from a fairly liberal area so maybe I have been desensitized to it, but for us personal use guys I honestly can't imagine anyone giving a single fuck.   That said, I'm sure they would be more than happy to confiscate (or more likely steal) it if discovered.
Title: Re: Is LEO really going after most of us?
Post by: blacksmith on August 20, 2013, 07:17 am
Yes
Title: Re: Is LEO really going after most of us?
Post by: Bazille on August 20, 2013, 11:38 am
The main interest of the DEA is making as much money as possible. I don't remember where I read it, but the amount of busts in recent years didn't increase significantly. The amount of money they collected during the busts did increase.
Title: Re: Is LEO really going after most of us?
Post by: Psyche on August 20, 2013, 12:41 pm
The main interest of the DEA is making as much money as possible. I don't remember where I read it, but the amount of busts in recent years didn't increase significantly. The amount of money they collected during the busts did increase.
Exactly, believe it or not drug busts are a business. Not only do they allow larger grants to law enforcement agencies but they also get to keep any seized money and any seized stuff.

They are trying to get us.
Title: Re: Is LEO really going after most of us?
Post by: Bazille on August 20, 2013, 02:42 pm
Found it:

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If the DEA is using NSA intelligence, the questionably legal technique hasn't necessarily led to more arrests. The number of domestic arrests by the DEA has remained steady since 2001, with an average of about 31,000 per year, according to the Department of Justice.

However, there has been a large increase in the value of seized assets from drug busts and raids. In 2001, the total value of seized assets by all federal agencies was less than $400 million, with the DEA accounting for about $200 million of that.

By 2010, the total value in assets was nearly $1.8 billion - the largest amount in U.S. history - with the DEA involved in nearly $800 million.

The current incarnation of the NSA surveillance program, in which phone records and emails have been stored, began in 2001, the Guardian reported. The program began less than a month after the Sept. 11 terror attacks.

http://www.wnem.com/story/23079065/dept-of-justice-investigates-dea-raids-using-nsa-surveillance
Title: Re: Is LEO really going after most of us?
Post by: VHSplayer on August 20, 2013, 02:50 pm
The truth is the DEA really would like to get everyone using SR. Just because you are only buying small amounts of narcotics does not make you safe. Sure, they would like to nap the high-end distributors, but they wouldn't mind picking up the buyers as well.

If you purchase narcotics through SR, you are utilizing the use of the federal mail system to facilitate the trafficking of controlled substances. This is a serious crime. This is why it is vital to exercise extreme caution when using the site, and it is crucial you communicate as safely as possible.
Title: Re: Is LEO really going after most of us?
Post by: odd on August 20, 2013, 02:57 pm
I use the Silkroad to purchase strictly on a personal use level.   I assume that 90% of you all do as well.   Do us little guys who buy a few grams of weed, coke, or molly really have to worry that much?  I keep reading posts by people who have themselves completely freaked the fuck out about having LEO do a controlled delivery for the half oz of OG Kush they ordered.  Being that we don't personally know our dealers in any way beyond SR it seems like kicking down our door would be worthless in the traditional sense of trying to work their way up the distribution chain.

I am from a fairly liberal area so maybe I have been desensitized to it, but for us personal use guys I honestly can't imagine anyone giving a single fuck.   That said, I'm sure they would be more than happy to confiscate (or more likely steal) it if discovered.


No us little guys still should be as paranoid as possible but i believe the reality is we are definitely flying under DEA's radar.  The DEA actually has weight limits on who they can bust.  The DEA will not get involved in an investigation unless the bust consists of at least X amount of drugs and X amount of money.  So us guys and girls buying a half ounce of pot to get through the month definitely fly under DEA's radar.  Now if the local PD gets wind of you receiving a half ounce of weed through the postal system they on the other hand are coming at you and are going to hit you with whatever they can.  So staying frosty is still very important for this reason. 
Title: Re: Is LEO really going after most of us?
Post by: jethro420247 on August 20, 2013, 05:06 pm
I love the quote that goes something like the following: "No man ever regretted being too secure, but many have regretted not being secure enough".

I think that was posted by Astor, who by the way, is probably one of the smartest people I've seen post on the net, much less SR. He has many posts that will guide you to be as safe as possible. I would say some of it is maybe a little overkill if you are small time buyer, but either way you look it, extra layers are never a bad idea.

Bottom line is as follows, no evidence = no case, if you play your cards right (ie. keep your mouth shut if you do interact with LE), don't sign for packages if you are not expecting to have to sign (ie. domestic shipments), anything to support plausible deniability.

And if you are that worried about an LE interaction, there are some GREAT videos on youtube from a group called "Flex Your Rights" that have some tutorials on how to deal with the police, the scumbag lying ass tactics they use, and what do if they are pressing you to search your car / home whatever. They also have some speeches from lawyers and actual LE that all say the same thing. If you interact with the police, DON'T TALK TO THE POLICE. You may think you are slick enough to not get caught up in their deceitful ways and divulge info that could get you arrested but you aren't, unless you are ex-LE or maybe an attorney. Talking to the cops and thinking you are smart enough to get around their questions is about as smart as stepping into a boxing ring with an Olympic boxer after you got boxing lessons for a week (ok maybe a little exaggerated, but you get the point). Now of course you have to use common sense, such as if they ask to search your house or car, you say no. Sure they may search anyway, but if they do, it will get thrown out. I don't know of any statistics, but I would bet money that more people end up in jail or arrested because of their own mouth than any other reason and these videos will help prepare you for that dreadful situation should it ever happen to you.
Title: Re: Is LEO really going after most of us?
Post by: Urza on August 20, 2013, 06:55 pm
Little guys don't really have to worry, at least not directly about yourselves. You aren't worth the resources in most cases. However, if you are sloppy, you could lead to someone else's downfall.
Title: Re: Is LEO really going after most of us?
Post by: BenJesuit on August 20, 2013, 07:06 pm
The DEA really doesn't care about you. If the goal is big busts, which equal big confiscations of property, you aren't in their sights.

Your local police's narcotic division do care about you though. Just as much as they care about catching a small time buyer or deal on the street. You're just harder to catch. But if you make yourself low handing fruit, they're not going to pass up such easy pickings.
Title: Re: Is LEO really going after most of us?
Post by: GGGreenbud on August 20, 2013, 08:25 pm
I love the quote that goes something like the following: "No man ever regretted being too secure, but many have regretted not being secure enough".

I think that was posted by Astor, who by the way, is probably one of the smartest people I've seen post on the net, much less SR. He has many posts that will guide you to be as safe as possible. I would say some of it is maybe a little overkill if you are small time buyer, but either way you look it, extra layers are never a bad idea.
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And if you are that worried about an LE interaction, there are some GREAT videos on youtube from a group called "Flex Your Rights" that have some tutorials on how to deal with the police, the scumbag lying ass tactics they use, and what do if they are pressing you to search your car / home whatever. They also have some speeches from lawyers and actual LE that all say the same thing. If you interact with the police, DON'T TALK TO THE POLICE. You may think you are slick enough to not get caught up in their deceitful ways and divulge info that could get you arrested but you aren't, unless you are ex-LE or maybe an attorney. Talking to the cops and thinking you are smart enough to get around their questions is about as smart as stepping into a boxing ring with an Olympic boxer after you got boxing lessons for a week (ok maybe a little exaggerated, but you get the point). Now of course you have to use common sense, such as if they ask to search your house or car, you say no. Sure they may search anyway, but if they do, it will get thrown out. I don't know of any statistics, but I would bet money that more people end up in jail or arrested because of their own mouth than any other reason and these videos will help prepare you for that dreadful situation should it ever happen to you.

+1 Amen to that, brother!
    I definitely would compare it to boxing a local Golden Gloves amateur, or even a low ranked pro.   You can do nothing to help yourself by speaking other than responding "No."  to can I search X, and even that doesn't need to be said often.  Also understand that Miranda is a fucking joke, you say something, even under duress, like gun to your head shit, and you sign a confession or confess orally, it still counts. 
     My moment of extreme clarity of this point was once when I was stopped by some cops one time.   They fucked with me and got to search my car(after they started damaging it, I finally let 'em) so this dog handler starts trying to 'chat me up' like how long have I been doing crack and all of this garbage, stuff I don't even do, and I tell her I don't fucking do it, and she starts writing down every goddamn thing I say.  I didn't have anything on me, so I was ok, but I never consent to a search.  People ignore the most obvious signs.  It was then that I realized, the object is to get someone defensive, when you've got people on the defensive, they will say fucking anything to avoid hurting their precious pride.
     Now, when you aren't responding to the police and their derogatory slandering bullshit, remember this line from Pulp Fiction:
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The night of the fight, you may feel a slight sting. That's pride fucking with you. Fuck pride. Pride only hurts. It never helps. You fight through that shit. This business is filled to the brim with unrealistic motherfuckers. Motherfuckers who think their ass will age like wine. If you mean it turns to vinegar...it does. If you mean it gets better with age...it don't. 
 
   These words were never more relevant.  Seriously though, if you are careful, the worst thing that happens, is you might have your mail privileges revoked, you might have to go back to Memphis, but at least you ain't getting raped by Zed.
Title: Re: Is LEO really going after most of us?
Post by: rynoragin on August 20, 2013, 09:55 pm
Yes the FlexYourRights videos are great for those that have that 'feeling'...

Ryno
Title: Re: Is LEO really going after most of us?
Post by: danconia on August 20, 2013, 10:01 pm
The DEA really doesn't care about you. If the goal is big busts, which equal big confiscations of property, you aren't in their sights.

Your local police's narcotic division do care about you though. Just as much as they care about catching a small time buyer or deal on the street. You're just harder to catch. But if you make yourself low handing fruit, they're not going to pass up such easy pickings.

You pretty much got it. It takes more effort to catch an SR user unless they are being sloppy.  LE *is* interested in garnering the positive publicity that comes with busting online drug trafficking though.  It's one way for them to tout how technologically savvy they are and that "taxpayer dollars are being put to good use".

As for $, yes nowadays LE can seize lots of assets and auction or use them.  In a time when cities are going bankrupt and cutting people's pensions you can be very sure that LE wants to do whatever possible to keep revenue coming in and preventing cutting of pensions and layoffs.