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Discussion => Newbie discussion => Topic started by: dupas on June 12, 2013, 06:09 pm
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Hi,
i had no prior opiate tolerance and ordered heroin #3 and #4 from two different reputable vendors on SR. I sniffed it and it didn't induce any euphoria. It was definitely no matter of dosage, since i nodded after sniffing a few lines. Also my pupils were really small and my body itches as fuck ;)
Is it possible that heroin doesn't induce euphoria in some individual or was i scammed? Would be interested in your input!
dupas
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It's probably in your best interest to slam that shit
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Or is the euphoric component not so strong, if one suffers of depression? I don't think so, but who knows ;)
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Hey dupas.
I also suffer from depression. MDMA made me happy but it felt fake and really just hid the problem for a good 8 hours, and I felt much worse after.
However, having a vacation from reality really made the difference for me. Last year in October I did about 4grams of mushrooms, closed my eyes with some good music and just let my mind work. I was out of the funk until probably April. I took 1mg tab of 25i-nbome recently and just laid back and enjoyed the trip. I have been happy for about a week now. Hopefully longer!
I've also read that LSD/LSA has similar effects on depression.
Have you tried any of these drugs?
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If you were itching and Noding it had some type Opiate in it..
Id like to know what vendors?
#3 normally is only for sniffing or smoking #4 most people snort, Mainly INJECT! U BLAST OFF ONE TIME and u will get there.. lol..
But it all depends man.. Iv been on Opiates(Mainly pain pills) 10+ years, started H about 2 years ago , only do it off and on, sometimes i just get a great warm feeling rush over me,start to Nod an itch(i inject to though)
sometimes its just a warm rush and thats it..
Since your not talking the vendors down id like to know whos product it was.. if u dont wanna say on the forums, PM me, iv had almost everyones ..lol
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Thanks for your nice reply, ejammings!
I tried MDMA years ago and even though i was not so feeling bad back then, i felt SO depressed after coming down. I guess it's the lack of serotonin after coming down. Not to imagine what would happen if i took MDMA in the state i'm in right now ...
Concerning the other drugs you have mentioned, i would be afraid to have a bad trip that completly fucks me up. I have quite a lot respect of psychedelics. But it might be worth a try ...
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I tried someones the other day and got just about nothing out of it.
I'm new to the game of H but I think it probably has to do with quality.
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If you were itching and Noding it had some type Opiate in it..
Id like to know what vendors?
#3 normally is only for sniffing or smoking #4 most people snort, Mainly INJECT! U BLAST OFF ONE TIME and u will get there.. lol..
But it all depends man.. Iv been on Opiates(Mainly pain pills) 10+ years, started H about 2 years ago , only do it off and on, sometimes i just get a great warm feeling rush over me,start to Nod an itch(i inject to though)
sometimes its just a warm rush and thats it..
Since your not talking the vendors down id like to know whos product it was.. if u dont wanna say on the forums, PM me, iv had almost everyones ..lol
Thank you as well for the reply.
Concerning the vendors: first of all i want to stress that I don't want to bad mouth the vendors. the two vendors i'm speaking of are from NL and the most popular vendors for H #3 and the other one for H #4. So you should know who they are ;)
I forgot to mention that i also don't get this warm feeling at all. I'm mean it feels nice, but no euphoria & warmness. When i took H for many days in a row and then quit, i got light withdrawl symptoms (restless legs & running nose) so i'm quite sure that opiates are involved. I might just respond different to opiates compared to the majority.
dupas
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I feel like H is more of a body high and outrageous nodding (ive never iv'ed only snorted) i receive more mind high from hydrocodone and oxycodone. personally i love the feeling of oxy it gives you a great body high but your mind remains really active, more sociable, feel good, euphoria. give it a try!
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Or is the euphoric component not so strong, if one suffers of depression? I don't think so, but who knows ;)
You suffer from depression, and thought trying heroin was a good idea?
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definitely iv that shit. start out with 2x your insufflated dose.
(just kidding)
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well this all seems very dark
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definitely iv that shit. start out with 2x your insufflated dose.
This would cure my depression for sure ;)
Speaking of my depression: I mean its somehow hard to say, what is wrong with me exactly. I just finished my master in physics and somehow this induced a crisis, which results in lying in bed all day long, not seeing people anymore.
Yeah, i know that it might be a bed idea to start heroin now, but i can't help it and i try to do it occationally (i know, i know ...) ...
dupas
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definitely iv that shit. start out with 2x your insufflated dose.
This would cure my depression for sure ;)
Speaking of my depression: I mean its somehow hard to say, what is wrong with me exactly. I just finished my master in physics and somehow this induced a crisis, which results in lying in bed all day long, not seeing people anymore.
Yeah, i know that it might be a bed idea to start heroin now, but i can't help it and i try to do it occationally (i know, i know ...) ...
dupas
I go through those exact same things u just mention at times.. XANAX helps me allot.. and FIRE H..
Yea i know what vendors ur speaking of.. U should IV the #4.. u will get that warm all over rush!! unless your being sent trash from them..
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Speaking of my depression: I mean its somehow hard to say, what is wrong with me exactly. I just finished my master in physics and somehow this induced a crisis, which results in lying in bed all day long, not seeing people anymore.
Yeah, i know that it might be a bed idea to start heroin now, but i can't help it and i try to do it occationally (i know, i know ...) ...
dupas
I go through those exact same things u just mention at times.. XANAX helps me allot.. and FIRE H..
Yea i know what vendors ur speaking of.. U should IV the #4.. u will get that warm all over rush!! unless your being sent trash from them..
So, XANAX acts also activating?
What is your experience with H from those vendors?
dupas
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1. Don't inject the dope.
2. If you are using H, or benzos to deal with depression.. Then you are taking one step forward, and two sometimes three steps back.
Some people, although they have the brains.. Never get to go to college, let alone get a fucking masters degree.
Want my two cents? Stop buying dope and get your head straight before something bad happens.
Seriously.
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Some people, although they have the brains.. Never get to go to college, let alone get a fucking masters degree.
Yeah, of course! I just wanted to mention that i just finished my education.
Concerning the other things you wrote: You are right, i think i should get my stuff sorted since in the long run heroin would make my depression and life worse.
dupas
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Heroin may not be for you.
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Yea i know what vendors ur speaking of.. U should IV the #4.. u will get that warm all over rush!! unless your being sent trash from them..
What is your experience with the H of those vendors?
dupas
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I havent got from them, if its who i think, they wont send to the USA
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I havent got from them, if its who i think, they wont send to the USA
Yeah, they don't ship to the us.
dupas
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Hey dupus i also had #4 and #3 3times from nl vendor first 2 were fine but third half g #3 was poor quality vendor says going to make it up
but dont think h is good for u the now in your life
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Reading this, it seems to me like you might have rather unrealistic expectations of the opiate experience.
Yes, one does generally experience "euphoria" with Heroin, but it is totally, completely and utterly different to the kind of euphoria you get with MDMA for instance.
Although people can and do experience psychotropic drugs differently, Heroin generally affects people more or less the same way because of the way it works - all human beings have opiate receptors and the two main ones are "kappa" and "mu" receptors, and it is by triggering these that we get the "euphoric" effect.
Heroin is my drug of choice - my entire adult life has been spent as an addict (altho a "high-functioning" addict).
Had my first taste aged 17 and now I am in my 40s.
The "euphoria" I get with H is a warm sense of well-being and warmth, of safety and comfort, and when I am stoned all my problems cease to exist.
But please, seriously - do not fool around with this stuff.
Heroin gave me something that I was missing, it made me feel complete and as a result, I have spent more than three decades and quite literally millions upon millions of dollars to keep feeling that feeling of warmth and well-being.
This is deadly serious - literally - and I have overdosed and been clinically dead countless times, had abscesses, septicaemia (blood poisoning - not fun at all), Hepatitis C, collapsed veins, and all kinds of horrific complications.
Currently on 120mg methadone every day - and have tried every treatment there is.
My brother describes me as "an example of how not to live".
Anyhow, please be careful. Don't follow in my footsteps, or end up dead.
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Thanks a lot for your replies! I really appreciate your postings!
I guess i should be really careful about using in H in my current situation. Since i have no job right now, i'm bored alot and think that it would be so nice to get a little bit high. This behaviour can lead pretty fast into addiction ...
So it might be better to find a job and only use occasionally (if this is even possible). Lets see ...
dupas
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1. Don't inject the dope.
2. If you are using H, or benzos to deal with depression.. Then you are taking one step forward, and two sometimes three steps back.
Some people, although they have the brains.. Never get to go to college, let alone get a fucking masters degree.
Want my two cents? Stop buying dope and get your head straight before something bad happens.
Seriously.
*Like*
Cant say I have ever suffered from proper depression so cant comment in that respect but cant see how H will be good for you in your current mental state. Best of luck
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Bang it dont waste snorting it...Once you do you will see why it is so loved!
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I've tried 30mg morphine yesterday, first time doing opiates (besides codeine) and felt really bored. The warmth was nice but no euphoria, no waves, just that completely spaced out feeling and the nod. Really not something I would waste my life with.
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What pharmaceutical opiates, that are available on sr, you would recommend to try out?
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Fentanyl is the most powerful opiate around but there is a very fine line between dose and overdose so you gotta be extremely careful.
It can be extremely pleasurable, but take it easy because if you overdo it even a bit you fall asleep and miss out on the best part.
Another good one is Hydromorphone (Dilaudid - "D" in the movie Drugstore Cowboy) which produces a very peaceful high.
Maybe take a look at the Experience Vaults on Erowid and see what other people think. (erowid.org has loads of info)
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dgpnkf
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And you are right about psilocybin and psilocin doing wonders for depression. My first experience was life changing, and now I look to the sacred mushroom whenever I am stuck in a rut and in need of doing some personal work.
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And you are right about psilocybin and psilocin doing wonders for depression. My first experience was life changing, and now I look to the sacred mushroom whenever I am stuck in a rut and in need of doing some personal work.
That is really interesting. Before i read your postings, i thought that psilo & depression is a bad combination leading to psychosis if i get a bad trip.
So what would you recommend? Or better asked: What is your trip setting like? Alone, listening to music,..
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fentanyl!? I've been on opiates for years and I'm still too afraid to try it cause of how potent it is...I'd say hydrocodone or oxycodone are good for opiate naive people low risk of OD if your smart with your dosing and a good high! Oxys are awesome though
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'd say hydrocodone or oxycodone are good for opiate naive people low risk of OD if your smart with your dosing and a good high! Oxys are awesome though
Should i get normal oxys (are they even available?) or prolonged realeased oxys (if i crush them)?
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Dupas, I normally ingest ~3.5g drinking strictly orange juice, and just sit and watch music videos on vevo/youtube. Lights dim. Volume down a bit. And lay down on the ground and close my eyes once in awhile and enjoy the euphoria + minor closed eye visuals.
Have a blanket handy and make sure you have access to cold drinks. It will help if you get stomach cramps from fasting.
If you have people around make sure they are people you actually like. Being able to share your experience makes it much more uplifting. My only bad trip was doing mushrooms with strangers in a place I've never been.
EDIT: I've tried oxycontin and it was a waste of money. Sure I felt "good" but it did nothing to help my mind which is what causes the problems.
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Depus, You've inadvertently opened a topic I intend to post about when I have time. In my experience, and in the experience of my friends who I keep in touch with from that period in my life many years ago when I used heroin and cocaine, heroin and cocaine have somehow, inexplicably 'changed' and no longer afford the profound pleasure which they used to give several decades ago. Regarding Heroin, I've bought from nearly everyone on SR and I've found most of the heroin quite strong, yet it lacks the intense pleasurable feelings and euphoria that I used to get from heroin years ago. I made reference to this in a post a few days ago and received this interesting response: "OMG!!!! You are the first person to say what I've been thinking the whole time I've been on SR. I've been on SR for 1 yr, been buying H, and have bought from every vendor who's suppossedto have "fire"................I"ve also used in th real world, although not since the 90s< and the comparison is a total joke. The dope I"ve used in real life, was amazing, euphoric, my body felt like it was wrapped in velvet, warm pleasurable bliss, etc etc But, even the best dope I've gotten on SR has been about 1/3 as pleasurable as the stuff I've had irl. I dont get why everyone brags like crazy on these forums about the stuff they are using, even those people who say they are long time users are on these forums bragging about the quality, honestly, I"ve been thinking that for the amount of money that's being charged for this stuff on SR, its really not worth buying the stuff at all considering how dissappointing the high can be, Anyway, I wanted to reply to you bc you are speaking something I've been thinking for the last year, I dont have enough posts to post to the forum so i thought i'd pm you." So, besides my friends, there are others who have experienced the exact same thing as me. How do other old-timers feel about changes in heroin from those days to now?
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Yeah, it would be interesting how other people who have used heroin for a long time compare heroin found on SR to heroin they used so far. Thanks for your posting orpheus!
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put you weener in a light socket
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put you weener in a light socket
What an intelligent comment! Well done :)
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I can say anything about heroin first hand only from friends that did it
and from what I was told.
Friends or aquaintences have sat at my kitchen table and booted
a dime bag and from what i saw was almost instant effect.
Most the time could not or did not finish hit and left needle just hanging from arm for a long time like an hour and just sat their with eyes closed.
Another friend would do speed ball he was fine.
basically they would buy dime bags in the big city and come back and resell for 20 and thats how if fed itself.
Then I was told the first time you will get sick and puke.
So if its your first time and you dont puke I guess its not the good stuff as I have seen
I was told "You should try heroin it is better than sex"
Well I dont know if they just have had bad sex or no sex or this heroin was that good and its the best feeling in the world.
I believe that it what it should feel like and do to you.
So if the euphoria is not on par to at least sex then why should it be so addictive world wide.
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I was told "You should try heroin it is better than sex"
Well I dont know if they just have had bad sex or no sex or this heroin was that good and its the best feeling in the world.
I believe that it what it should feel like and do to you.
So if the euphoria is not on par to at least sex then why should it be so addictive world wide.
For me it's definitely not on par with sex. Not even close ;)
dupas
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That is really interesting. Before i read your postings, i thought that psilo & depression is a bad combination leading to psychosis if i get a bad trip.
So what would you recommend? Or better asked: What is your trip setting like? Alone, listening to music,..
Sorry for the late response.
My first few experiences were with a close friend. We would sit in a lightly lit room, with interesting music playing. The mushrooms will take you on a journey to the deepest places inside yourself. That being said, some can not deal with what they are shown about themselves, for they are seeing themselves as they truly are. For me this was helpful, as I could easily see what I needed to change. The anti-depressant effects seem to last a long time, up to a month after one experience.
These days I enjoy these experiences alone or with a close friend, and it's great to plan it on a nice sunny day so you can get outside and possibly enjoy nature(there is many truths to be learned from nature if you open yourself up to it).
It is good to fast for at least 3-4 hours before the planned time to dose(drink only water and juices containing Vitamin C). I recommend starting with around 1-1.5 gram(s) for a first time experience. It may be challenging at times, so it is good to have someone close by you can rely on. And remember, everyone reacts differently to these kinds of things. Try to keep yourself open to the new experience, and do not try to control it, just let it show you what it will. If the dose size was not enough you can always add more the next time. Some people like myself can be quite sensitive to these types of things.
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dude he's asking about HEROIN not mushrooms! There are hundreds of shroom threads here, why dont you look! ???
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dude he's asking about HEROIN not mushrooms! There are hundreds of shroom threads here, why dont you look! ???
I realize that the main thread is about heroin, but did you read the previous posts on this thread? He actually was inquiring about psilocybin mushrooms in those posts I'm responding to here XD
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Comes to something when opiate naive people dont get anything off taking gear
I havent seen anyone overdose for YEARS - I haven't heard the opiate croakey voice or the one eye in one direction and the other eye in another direction with TINY pupils and very pale appearance either,
I wish heroin was what it was back in the 90s - I remember buying a .3 for £10 where I lived and it was dynamite gear - youd pay £50 or £60 for that now seriously. Pisses me off. The yardies took good crack and brown to this country
but now the Asians are runnin the drug market in the UK its all turned to shit..........they just dont care what they are putting out and sadly people KEEP buying it.
I think heroin should be ATLEAST 50-60% pure and a gram should be no more than £100 - Fuck sakes thats fair ONE HUNDRED POUNDS for CUT gear
Lets go back to old prices where a quater g was £25 and it WAS heroin.
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definitely iv that shit. start out with 2x your insufflated dose.
This would cure my depression for sure ;)
Speaking of my depression: I mean its somehow hard to say, what is wrong with me exactly. I just finished my master in physics and somehow this induced a crisis, which results in lying in bed all day long, not seeing people anymore.
Yeah, i know that it might be a bed idea to start heroin now, but i can't help it and i try to do it occationally (i know, i know ...) ...
dupas
Yea, jumping into Heroin when you're severely depressed is probably not the best idea. Your choice though.
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Speaking of my depression: I mean its somehow hard to say, what is wrong with me exactly. I just finished my master in physics and somehow this induced a crisis, which results in lying in bed all day long, not seeing people anymore.
Yeah, i know that it might be a bed idea to start heroin now, but i can't help it and i try to do it occationally (i know, i know ...) ...
dupas
Yea, jumping into Heroin when you're severely depressed is probably not the best idea. Your choice though.
Yeah, i know that this is self destructing behaviour, but i can't help it. After finishing my studies (and while finishing) i felt so unbelievable empty. I don't really know why. I should be happy, but i'm not. We will see how that ends :)
Maybe i'll give psylocibin a try as joeybob proposed (btw: thanks for your reply!).
Are you using opiates as well?
dupas
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Speaking of my depression: I mean its somehow hard to say, what is wrong with me exactly. I just finished my master in physics and somehow this induced a crisis, which results in lying in bed all day long, not seeing people anymore.
Yeah, i know that it might be a bed idea to start heroin now, but i can't help it and i try to do it occationally (i know, i know ...) ...
dupas
Yea, jumping into Heroin when you're severely depressed is probably not the best idea. Your choice though.
Yeah, i know that this is self destructing behaviour, but i can't help it. After finishing my studies (and while finishing) i felt so unbelievable empty. I don't really know why. I should be happy, but i'm not. We will see how that ends :)
Maybe i'll give psylocibin a try as joeybob proposed (btw: thanks for your reply!).
Are you using opiates as well?
dupas
I've dabbled with them. My use went from monthly, to weekly, to daily in the matter of 4 months so I quit and haven't touched them for 4 months. I was using purely out of curiosity though, so quitting wasn't difficult as I wasn't physically addicted yet. If you're using it as your crutch because of depression, it could be quite difficult to quit if it's what your falling back on every time you feel like shit. I have friends that got physically addicted, and it is not pretty watching someone come off them once they get to that point. Also, my tolerance increased quite a bit in that 4 months and I found it extremely difficult to get the same feeling I did the first time I ever did it. It became useless to me because when I did enough to get a strong good feeling, I'd get sick. I prefer smoking weed anyways.
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Maybe i'll give psylocibin a try as joeybob proposed (btw: thanks for your reply!).
You are very welcome dupas. I hope you find your way, and can figure some things out.
I deal with major depression from time to time myself, and I know exactly what you mean when you say you should be happy, but are not. It seems sometimes no matter how much I do for others, and even myself, I don't get that satisfied feeling inside. Most of the time it is something wrong with my thinking, and I just need to change perspective, re-evaluate things and move on. This is the main time I use psychedelics, they help me change what I need to in order to get out of ruts, rather than just masking the problem with good feelings.
Sometimes I believe we need the bad times to truly appreciate the good times. Life is like a roller coaster ride and it's best to flow with the ups and downs.
Things will get better! Keep your head up, and ride the good currents when they come around :)
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Yeah, i guess i should watch out not to start a heroin habit. In my current situation it is likely to make things worse.
A girl friend would be more helpful than drugs ;) For years i only had short relationships with girl i didn't love. This wasn't really helpful for my mental condition. Sorry for going off-topic, but i'm quite high, Haha :)
dupas
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Late 80's,
Chaing Mai hotel room:
"I've sniffed a third of the bottle! It's not working!"
-Check heart rate...40bpm."I may be dying.... but, I'm not alarmed. It must be working"
"Actually, I feel pretty...damn....g..."
p.s. I didn't die.
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If you dead-set keen on fully experiencing the Hammer of the Gods, then I guess no one can stop you.
It sounds like you're using gear obtained on SR by yourself, in which case you'd be better off chasing the dragon than snorting.
Why? you ask
Because smoking will allow you to control the level of intoxication much more effectively than doing lines will.
Say you snort a fat line ... you won't be able to gauge the effect immediately - instead you have to wait for the goodness to enter your body via the mucous membrane in your nose and throat, then enter your bloodstream, and finally cross the blood-brain barrier.
By the time the effect registers you will need another line to augment if necessary, and you won't know if you have ingested a lethal dose until you stop breathing. By which time it is too late.
Get a piece of tinfoil, crease it along the middle, drop a few grains of gear on, hold at an angle while heating the underside with a lighter held in your other hand. The powder liquefies and clouds of smoke appear. Inhale using the tube of foil or glass that is held in your mouth and hold in the smoke.
This should enable you to get pleasantly high, yet stop before you get too fucked up or dead.
And while getting shit-faced you can pretend to be Lord Byron, Sir Arthur Conan-Doyle or Coleridge in an opium den.
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I tried yesterday for the first time, no felt much :\ just some lite sensation.
at first I burned it, after some try I chased something but not lot of smoke, it slide but no big dragon showed up lol
someone said me I need to heat more.
I wasted a lot! :(
maybe I can try to snort it, just to understand the real feeling and then try again with tinfoil.
p.s. H#3
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I tried yesterday for the first time, no felt much :\ just some lite sensation.
at first I burned it, after some try I chased something but not lot of smoke, it slide but no big dragon showed up lol
someone said me I need to heat more.
I wasted a lot! :(
maybe I can try to snort it, just to understand the real feeling and then try again with tinfoil.
p.s. H#3
Seriously. The H that I have found on SR is so clean that it could very easily kill someone who didn't know what they are doing. I have been using for more than 20 years and am on a daily dose of methadone - in case you didn't know, the latter actually protects me from overdose by binding to opiate receptors in the brain.
Yesterday I indulged in some exceptionally high quality gear - and it was, for me, an extremely enjoyable experience. This is because i possesses the knowledge - gained through real world contact - to be able to gauge. the quality from look, taste and smell. As a result, I knew instinctively how much I could safely consume and enjoy the experience without dying.
For an "opiate naive" newbie however, especially some teen sitting alone in a darkened bedroom (no offense but that's what most people on these forums sound like), the risk of death would have been very, very real.
This is not a fucking game kids - this shit is deadly.
If you want to play this particular game if Russian Roulette. I strongly suggest you get some real world experience first.
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My apologies to the person I quoted in my last post - my diatribe was not directed at you specifically.
I had actually begun to write a response about technique since trial and error is an integral part of learning. Please
Do not feel I was singling you out - your willingness to keep trying is commendable.
However it then occurred to me (I just woke up so am still half asleep) that just as easily as you guys might have has no effect at all, you could easily have gone to the other extreme and died.
I have overdosed many, many times and the reason I am still here is due entirely to the actions of other people.
Please - if you are a first-time user of opiates do not use alone.
When a person OD's they themselves experience no time lapse between losing and regaining consciousness.
The outside world sees a body with unnaturally pale skin and blue lips (yes your lips actually turn blue when you stop breathing) and at this point you have less than four minutes to live unless someone successfully revives you.
If I had not been through this - on both sides of the equation - many times, I would not be writing these words.
The first time you see a friend become a corpse before your eyes you will remember too.
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Damn JabbatheSlut, that sounds intense, I'm glad you are still around to share your story :). I've seen something similar with a close family member who was abusing prescription opioids for some time, it's a scary thing. I thought for sure she was going to die on multiple occasions, and was pretty scary indeed.
They just don't seem to do it for me though. Morphine took the life out of me the times they pumped it into me at the hospital, and I find pain killers annoying for some reason, I refused to take pain killers after 9 different surgeries I've had in my life time.
Me, I prefer psychedelics, and the way they intensify reality, feeling, and emotion. I feel like a better person because of the experiences I've had as well. I always learn so much, and can incorporate new knowledge and ideas from each experience.
I'm in no way saying one is better than the other. As the saying goes, different strokes for different folks :D
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What's it like?
Heroin....i mean is the buzz like a crack rush?
will i8t5 slow me down?
how long does it last?
will i feel sick?
do i smoke it?
do i snort it?
wut do i do?
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Hiya, Slut!!
:)
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Dunno... All of the above?
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If the heroin on here is anything like the quality of my first buy of coke then please be careful with it. Just do a little and dose up gradually if snorting...
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Damn JabbatheSlut, that sounds intense, I'm glad you are still around to share your story :). I've seen something similar with a close family member who was abusing prescription opioids for some time, it's a scary thing. I thought for sure she was going to die on multiple occasions, and was pretty scary indeed.
They just don't seem to do it for me though. Morphine took the life out of me the times they pumped it into me at the hospital, and I find pain killers annoying for some reason, I refused to take pain killers after 9 different surgeries I've had in my life time.
Me, I prefer psychedelics, and the way they intensify reality, feeling, and emotion. I feel like a better person because of the experiences I've had as well. I always learn so much, and can incorporate new knowledge and ideas from each experience.
I'm in no way saying one is better than the other. As the saying goes, different strokes for different folks :D
You are exactly right - I know heaps of people who try Heroin and it just doesn't appeal.
Come to think of it, IV amphetamines was my first problem drug and it became H as my temperament mellowed out somewhat.
I think the main way any drug can become a problem is if it "fills the void within" so to speak.
From attending numerous Narcotics Anonymous meetings, I recall that most people who shared their experience would talk about their drug use making them feel "complete" in some way.
For some it's opiates, others stimulants, alcohol, weed, acid, whatever.
But whatever it is, the best way to enjoy it is to do so safely!
Experimentation is a natural part of life, but don't let it kill you!
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What's it like?
Heroin....i mean is the buzz like a crack rush?
will i8t5 slow me down?
how long does it last?
will i feel sick?
do i smoke it?
do i snort it?
wut do i do?
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Hi there Chemcat,
Vitamin H may not be your thing but if you are gonna try it, try smoking a tiny bit at a time pn a sheet of tinfoil or in a clean basepipe - the same way you would smoke crack, freebase or ice.
H can be smoked, mainlined, skin-popped or snorted but don't eat or drink it.
It seems to affect people differently - similar to how speed makes hyperactive kids relax, while others get wired.
But most people experience a sense of well-being, drowsiness and warmth.
Many describe it as feeling like you're inside a cocoon.
To me it feels like how it feels to be in love.
Over the years it has been popular with writers, musicians and celebrities and in the 90s the fashion media used to talk about "heroin chic", a grungy look featuring people who look like street addicts.
Part of the hype is due to the famous people who have used or died from it.
Of course it costs more than gold, which is why people do extreme things to support a habit.
If you intend to try it, do a bit of research first.
Where you are depends on what options are available - in North America black tar is probably the most common form and smoking that is a good way to decide if it's the drug for you.
In Australia be really careful because the local gear is all extremely strong so you would be safest going real slow or using with someone experienced.
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Well shit....
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okn i guess i'll do this ......
ok.....stop....
ok, i'll stop now......
know ........just know......in my mind............
i'm right....
:P
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sounds to me like you snifffed too much, so you skipped the euphoria and went straight to nod-town
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sounds to me like you snifffed too much, so you skipped the euphoria and went straight to nod-town
thats what i was thinking... although maybe H just isnt your thing. try a few other opiates (maybe oxies or hydros) and see how they strike you.
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no problem JabbatheSlut, btw im not a kid :) and it's not my first drug.
Im not going to take it easly, btw I snorted 20mg yesterday, 10 + 10 after ~10-15 minutes cause didn't felt much, then... i was stoned, after ~30 all fucked up... didn't get any rush, maybe just a couple little rush all over my body.
After 5 hours I gone to sleep still high, waked up after ~5 hours with pin pupil (gone after ~1 hour) and I don't feel very well.
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no problem JabbatheSlut, btw im not a kid :) and it's not my first drug.
Im not going to take it easly, btw I snorted 20mg yesterday, 10 + 10 after ~10-15 minutes cause didn't felt much, then... i was stoned, after ~30 all fucked up... didn't get any rush, maybe just a couple little rush all over my body.
After 5 hours I gone to sleep still high, waked up after ~5 hours with pin pupil (gone after ~1 hour) and I don't feel very well.
Good to hear you are getting results.
I didn't mean to call you a kid either - that particular generalisation was a cranky swipe at the seemingly large numbers of inexperienced users in the forums and even hassling vendors with silly questions and impatient PMs and in at least one case that I know of, causing a vendor of top calibre to leave SR.
Apologies - I guess I was angry at all first-time users - blaming everyone for the actions of a few.
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U got some bad dope. Some dope will give a nod but no euphoria = shit. Get better dope from a better vendor
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It sounds like you're using gear obtained on SR by yourself, in which case you'd be better off chasing the dragon than snorting.
I have #4 gear, which can't be smoked ihmo. Anyway, i already know how to dose correctly. but you are right, it's important to be cautious when one tries H for the first time. A match head sized bump got me nodding really hard, i could hardly breath and so on ...
dupas
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my first time I smoked it - threw up like a machine - then blissed out for hours - hallucinations of total warmth and loveliness and feelings of supreme wellbeing - it was never that good again so eventually I just stopped...
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Oh, wow. I really thought I was the only one. I held out on trying heroin forever.
And I first must say my situation is a little different, because i am a pain patient and I do tend to have a high tolerance. But I always joke and say "I want a new drug," because nothing seems to get me high anymore.
For example, I tried meth and got hungry and sleepy while everyone else stayed up all night. Didn't like it at all. Crack made me chatty for a few minutes, then yuck. Cocaine is okay, but it doesn't last long and who can afford that anyway? I tried X and got a stomach ache after a little chattiness. lol I hate weed.
So....since I already take opiates, I figured heroin (if smoked or snorted) would be the same thing in the long run. Finally broke down and ordered some, took a very small amount, because I wanted to be careful, and I couldn't figure out why I was so miserable. Turns out, I was actually starting into withdrawals! Took me three bags to even feel a little bit of anything and NO euphoria. I was (and am) bummed as hell. Thinking I might just have to get brave and try a little more. Because God knows I cannot afford pills. So I figured this was a nice alternative as far as budget goes, but not if I need 3x the amount others do.
Ironically I live in a state that is supposed to have some of the best, purest heroin in the country, but I have NO connections; thus, I am looking here for that person with heroin that actually gives me that euphoria I would like to feel again. Even for a small amount of time. And I will never shoot, so I guess I just have to keep searching.
I am not a fiend, lol. I would just like to feel good for a while, have a nice afternoon or evening with that euphoric feeling I used to get from opiate pills.
Thanks for letting me vent and for letting me know I am not alone. I just posted asking for suggestions for higher quality h sellers on The Silk Road, and I will keep you posted if I find such a person/product.
Cheers!
Hope
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...........I forgot to add that the one thing that does bring me that old feeling of euphoria is Fentynol (sp?), but like pills, I cannot afford this very often, and it is extremely difficult to find at a DECENT price (VERY expensive here!). I do have a connection where I can get 10-gel-filled patches once every three to four months, so I always have something to save for and look forward to anyway, lol.
Still searching for that elusive "new drug."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6uEMOeDZsA
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hopesalive, i'm also a chronic pain patient and have a large opiate tolerance. if you're looking for strong #4 , try subsrgood. he's got the nicest powder i've ever had -- a small test bump that i assumed wouldnt do anything, had me warm n fuzzy after 15 minutes. i also hear wonderful things about GotsItAll 's dope, though i havent tried it yet. MisterMcFeely had some really lovely, very strong tar last i ordered, but his listings havent been up in a week or two. Purest's tar was also nice, though imo a bit overpriced.
as for fentanyl, SunWu has awesome deals on nasal spray and fent HCL, although i must say he/they are somewhat curt with the communications IME. the nasal spray is wonderful, i'm planning to make my own sometime soon.
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SourGrapes, thank you so much for your helpful reply!
I did PM SunWu, and I received a polite message in return. I was concerned about the leakage I read about in the reviews, and he/she assured me that they are trying new bottles to try to avoid this problem (since it ships international). I would really LOVE to try this. Sounds as if you have? Can you tell me how long that one spray bottle lasts? Because the post says you only need one or two sprays and there are many sprays per bottle, which I have a hard time believing (esp with my tolerance).
Thank you, also, for the recommendations. I was just bookmarking GotsItAll for a possible order on Wed. I was very impressed with the shipping time and stealth from the first person I tried, plus GREAT communication, but I was just so disheartened by the product itself. I will definitely search for the others you have mentioned. This is just what I was hoping for: some help and recommendations. Looks like I came to the right place, lol.
Take care and thank you so much, once again!
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SourGrapes, thank you so much for your helpful reply!
I did PM SunWu, and I received a polite message in return. I was concerned about the leakage I read about in the reviews, and he/she assured me that they are trying new bottles to try to avoid this problem (since it ships international). I would really LOVE to try this. Sounds as if you have? Can you tell me how long that one spray bottle lasts? Because the post says you only need one or two sprays and there are many sprays per bottle, which I have a hard time believing (esp with my tolerance).
Thank you, also, for the recommendations. I was just bookmarking GotsItAll for a possible order on Wed. I was very impressed with the shipping time and stealth from the first person I tried, plus GREAT communication, but I was just so disheartened by the product itself. I will definitely search for the others you have mentioned. This is just what I was hoping for: some help and recommendations. Looks like I came to the right place, lol.
Take care and thank you so much, once again!
Oh, and how in the world can you "make your own?" If I order from GotsItAll I will report back for you. You have been so helpful!
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I have been on and off opiates many times before. Bottom line is that any good feeling you get from H or any other opiate is NOT worth the pain you feel going through withdrawal. If you are seriously depressed, you should see out other non-physically addicting substances or activites like exercise to combat it. An opiate will mask it for a few hours, then depression comes right back even harder than before. Then over time, if you don't get your opiate, you will be 10x more depressed than you were originally. Then it will take MONTHS before you even feel normal again or have a decent night's sleep.
I am not your mother, but please consider using something else than opiates to battle depression. It never works out well in the end.
Best of luck to you.
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I know the OP talked about depression, but I do not have depression. My pain meds gave me my life back. I save the stronger stuff for the times I would have to head to the ER. I honestly use very sparingly, because I don't want my tolerance to become higher than it already is. Most days (I would say 24 to 25 out of 30 to 31) I take only my prescribed medication.
Years ago, I had situational depression, so I feel for anyone who does, but I definitely do not. I have a zest and love for life that is only limited by my body and my pain. So if I have to self-medicate to make some of those difficult days a little more tolerable, then so be it. :)
I do agree that depression should be treated by a doctor, though. SAM-E did wonders for me in the past.
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I know the OP talked about depression, but I do not have depression. My pain meds gave me my life back. I save the stronger stuff for the times I would have to head to the ER. I honestly use very sparingly, because I don't want my tolerance to become higher than it already is. Most days (I would say 24 to 25 out of 30 to 31) I take only my prescribed medication.
Years ago, I had situational depression, so I feel for anyone who does, but I definitely do not. I have a zest and love for life that is only limited by my body and my pain. So if I have to self-medicate to make some of those difficult days a little more tolerable, then so be it. :)
I do agree that depression should be treated by a doctor, though. SAM-E did wonders for me in the past.
i totally get it...the only reason i mention the danger at all is because going through withdrawal from OCs and heroin was in the top 3 worst experiences of my life, and i wouldn't wish that pain on my worst enemy.
take care of yourself :)
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I've never gone through withdrawal without some kind of aid, i.e., some opiate of lesser strength for the worst few days. But from the little bit of withdrawal I've been through I can't imagine what it would be like to go through unaided withdrawal, or rather, I can imagine and I wouldn't want to go through it.
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hopesalive, i'm also a chronic pain patient and have a large opiate tolerance. if you're looking for strong #4 , try subsrgood. he's got the nicest powder i've ever had -- a small test bump that i assumed wouldnt do anything, had me warm n fuzzy after 15 minutes. i also hear wonderful things about GotsItAll 's dope, though i havent tried it yet. MisterMcFeely had some really lovely, very strong tar last i ordered, but his listings havent been up in a week or two. Purest's tar was also nice, though imo a bit overpriced.
as for fentanyl, SunWu has awesome deals on nasal spray and fent HCL, although i must say he/they are somewhat curt with the communications IME. the nasal spray is wonderful, i'm planning to make my own sometime soon.
hopesalive, i'm also a chronic pain patient and have a large opiate tolerance. if you're looking for strong #4 , try subsrgood. he's got the nicest powder i've ever had -- a small test bump that i assumed wouldnt do anything, had me warm n fuzzy after 15 minutes. i also hear wonderful things about GotsItAll 's dope, though i havent tried it yet. MisterMcFeely had some really lovely, very strong tar last i ordered, but his listings havent been up in a week or two. Purest's tar was also nice, though imo a bit overpriced.
as for fentanyl, SunWu has awesome deals on nasal spray and fent HCL, although i must say he/they are somewhat curt with the communications IME. the nasal spray is wonderful, i'm planning to make my own sometime soon.
Looks like all subs has right now is suboxone, no MrMcFeely and I can't find Purest at all, so looks like I will try GotsItAll IF I can figure out how to buy a damn bitcoin. I didn't know bitinstant was not taking US anymore, although I did find a link that said Bitinsant beta. I am scared to use it now, even though it looks legit. Do you know anything about that? I HAVE to order Wed and receive by Friday or Sat or I am in big trouble, if you KWIM.
www.bitinstant.com
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Try using mdpro. He charges only 5% commission and will have your bitcoins for you in a matter of minutes if he is online and if not, he'll certainly take care of you in less than 24 hours. He's my new bitcoin go-to man. As far as heroin, I've just ordered from Supersun. He seems to have a good reputation and reasonable prices, especially if you want only 1/4 or 1/2 grams.
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Supersun sounds familiar. I will add him/her to my list. I am going with GotsItAll this time, and I will definitely update on quality.
Thanks for all the recommendations. I welcome all! :)
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SourGrapes, thank you so much for your helpful reply!
I did PM SunWu, and I received a polite message in return. I was concerned about the leakage I read about in the reviews, and he/she assured me that they are trying new bottles to try to avoid this problem (since it ships international). I would really LOVE to try this. Sounds as if you have? Can you tell me how long that one spray bottle lasts? Because the post says you only need one or two sprays and there are many sprays per bottle, which I have a hard time believing (esp with my tolerance).
Thank you, also, for the recommendations. I was just bookmarking GotsItAll for a possible order on Wed. I was very impressed with the shipping time and stealth from the first person I tried, plus GREAT communication, but I was just so disheartened by the product itself. I will definitely search for the others you have mentioned. This is just what I was hoping for: some help and recommendations. Looks like I came to the right place, lol.
Take care and thank you so much, once again!
Oh, and how in the world can you "make your own?" If I order from GotsItAll I will report back for you. You have been so helpful!
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the spray bottle itself lasted me quite a lil while for the cost, maybe 2-3 weeks, and i used it pretty much every day, at least once. there are i'm told 140 sprays in a bottle, (though some of mine leaked in the package) and i usually needed 2-3 sprays for decent pain relief by itself, maybe 1spray if i used it on top of my inadequate scripts, sometimes more for those 'i'd otherwise need the er' situations. i was skeptical of the strength but very pleasantly surprised. i used it mostly to stretch out my prescriptions, and it works really, REALLY well, but only for an hour or two.
re: making my own, SunWu offers the fentanyl HCL that he uses to make his spray, in amounts as low as 100mg -- which would make i believe around 6 bottles of the nasal spray he offers, for a much lower cost, as i'm willing to buy bacteriostatic water and go through the effort of making and bottling it myself to save cash in the long run. even despite the short time fentanyl works, i feel its worth it for such strong pain relief, especially considering the cost compared to other opiates.
i'd love to hear how it goes with GIA's dope! i'm considering giving him a try very soon as well.
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Looks like all subs has right now is suboxone, no MrMcFeely and I can't find Purest at all, so looks like I will try GotsItAll IF I can figure out how to buy a damn bitcoin. I didn't know bitinstant was not taking US anymore, although I did find a link that said Bitinsant beta. I am scared to use it now, even though it looks legit. Do you know anything about that? I HAVE to order Wed and receive by Friday or Sat or I am in big trouble, if you KWIM.
www.bitinstant.com
i had no idea bitinstant wasnt taking US anymore?? goodness that sucks... i saw something mentioned several times about bitinstant beta but unfortunately i didnt see anything positive.. i'd search the boards on it. i use coinbase frequently but it takes a few days to verify the account, and then 5-7 days to receive the coins.. their fees are the lowest of any site i know of, though. localbitcoins.com i think is a viable option for quick coins, theyre also sold on ebay but at a huge premium. there are also a few SR vendors who sell BTC but i'm not too familiar with the process.
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Some people just don't get euphoria from opiates at all. And to everyone who said just slam that shit, NO NO NO.
I mean does harm reduction mean nothing to some people. Do not start slamming heroin if you do not already use needles, that's not a funny joke what so ever. Some people find that the euphoria from opiates is acquired, in fact for many people they find that it just causes them to get itchy and sick to the stomach the first few times.
Ask yourself this... did you like beer the first time you drank? Or did you think it tasted nasty or drank way to much and got the spins. Some things are an acquired taste.
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Looks like all subs has right now is suboxone, no MrMcFeely and I can't find Purest at all, so looks like I will try GotsItAll IF I can figure out how to buy a damn bitcoin. I didn't know bitinstant was not taking US anymore, although I did find a link that said Bitinsant beta. I am scared to use it now, even though it looks legit. Do you know anything about that? I HAVE to order Wed and receive by Friday or Sat or I am in big trouble, if you KWIM.
www.bitinstant.com
i had no idea bitinstant wasnt taking US anymore?? goodness that sucks... i saw something mentioned several times about bitinstant beta but unfortunately i didnt see anything positive.. i'd search the boards on it. i use coinbase frequently but it takes a few days to verify the account, and then 5-7 days to receive the coins.. their fees are the lowest of any site i know of, though. localbitcoins.com i think is a viable option for quick coins, theyre also sold on ebay but at a huge premium. there are also a few SR vendors who sell BTC but i'm not too familiar with the process.
Sorry if I misled you. I guess the situation has been resolved. I read their blog and they were updating or something. Other places I researched said no more U.S but I now have my printed out Zip Zap slip to bring to CVS and order tomorrow. No more worries, my friend! :) And I did completely panic, because BitInstant is so easy I would not want it any other way.
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Some people just don't get euphoria from opiates at all. And to everyone who said just slam that shit, NO NO NO.
I mean does harm reduction mean nothing to some people. Do not start slamming heroin if you do not already use needles, that's not a funny joke what so ever. Some people find that the euphoria from opiates is acquired, in fact for many people they find that it just causes them to get itchy and sick to the stomach the first few times.
Ask yourself this... did you like beer the first time you drank? Or did you think it tasted nasty or drank way to much and got the spins. Some things are an acquired taste.
I would never "slam" it. NEVER. And I do get a little bit of a good feeling, just not like I used to from my meds. But they serve the purpose most days, as they are there to take the pain away and give me back my life. Just once in a great while it would be nice to have that good feeling and just feel good like others seem to on 1/4 of the amount of anything it takes me.
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"no euphoria using heroin" You're doing it wrong!
Also, who has no prior opiate experience and all the sudden orders two kinds of heroin?
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Hi,
i had no prior opiate tolerance and ordered heroin #3 and #4 from two different reputable vendors on SR. I sniffed it and it didn't induce any euphoria. It was definitely no matter of dosage, since i nodded after sniffing a few lines. Also my pupils were really small and my body itches as fuck ;)
Is it possible that heroin doesn't induce euphoria in some individual or was i scammed? Would be interested in your input!
dupas
Sorry if im a dick, cuz i dont play with dope, but ive done dope before, like 2times. The rush is nice. But seriously, you want an amazing euphoria thats not gonna cost you a dime? Meditation! Also, intense work outs will induce euphoria. If you must ingest a chemical I highly recommend Tessellated's amazing LSD.
Acid will induce amazing euphoria, physically and emotionally...its the most beautifully, heavenly feeling one could feel...imho. Have fun!
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if you're looking for strictly euphoria, try MDMA or mescaline. my best mescaline trips have been more euphoric than even MDMA for me. heroin is more of a warm, comforting, painkilling drug than utter 'euphoria,' at least for me.
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Hey dupas.
I also suffer from depression. MDMA made me happy but it felt fake and really just hid the problem for a good 8 hours, and I felt much worse after.
However, having a vacation from reality really made the difference for me. Last year in October I did about 4grams of mushrooms, closed my eyes with some good music and just let my mind work. I was out of the funk until probably April. I took 1mg tab of 25i-nbome recently and just laid back and enjoyed the trip. I have been happy for about a week now. Hopefully longer!
I've also read that LSD/LSA has similar effects on depression.
Have you tried any of these drugs?
Hey , did the 25i cause allot of chest tension on the come down? And how the heck did you just "lay back" with it?
For me , all psychedelics make me jittery, especially on the come up. I have to move when im trippin. Though , i must say with 25i, once i got into 3+ hrs into trip i was able to chill back in awe on a bench, just laughing my ass off at life, colors, music,...blissed out to the max!
By thevway, I get that too, the after glow from a psychedelic trip lasts for a long time...its like one sees life in a new way for awhile. Meditation for an hour early every morning can do this as well. It takes practice, but if diligent meditation can induce a feeling not unlike an orgasm. But its a whole body rush, and it lingers through the day, like a great sex romp, but better. Sex is always great too.
cheers!
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Has anyone had any problems with gotsitall? I ordered sunday night express and now its tuesday night and tracking says that usps has only been notified of package arrival and no package has actually been dropped off yet or delivered by vendor to post office. Is this something that happens and I shouldnt worry? I am asking cause I have a lot of transactions on here and express usually means one day. Any good vendor like supreme never seemed to have a problem but the ones that pop up and then go down in a hail storm of fire seem to pull this kinda crap. I am so sick of vendors holding blacklist over your head. I am not a liar and am sick of being scammed by non delivery and then having to give a 5 because of blacklisting. If anyone has had this issue with him or others please let me know. If its not here tomorrow mornin I will have my answer I guess.
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You don't say whether you've sent him a message and whether he has answered. That of course is the first thing I'd do, i.e., ask him what's up by messaging him. I bought from gotsitall without any problems a few weeks ago.
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I messaged him for tracking info and he replied with the number. However, when I found I had a problem and messaged twice in 10 hours he hasnt responded.
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Has anyone had any problems with gotsitall? I ordered sunday night express and now its tuesday night and tracking says that usps has only been notified of package arrival and no package has actually been dropped off yet or delivered by vendor to post office. Is this something that happens and I shouldnt worry? I am asking cause I have a lot of transactions on here and express usually means one day. Any good vendor like supreme never seemed to have a problem but the ones that pop up and then go down in a hail storm of fire seem to pull this kinda crap. I am so sick of vendors holding blacklist over your head. I am not a liar and am sick of being scammed by non delivery and then having to give a 5 because of blacklisting. If anyone has had this issue with him or others please let me know. If its not here tomorrow mornin I will have my answer I guess.
Well this scares the crap out of me. I had a very reliable and fast person, but I tried Gotsitall due to the other person's product not doing much for me. I ordered based on his feedback and he keeps assuring me over and over that it will arrive tomorrow. If it doesn't I am going to be in a serious world of hurt and pain if you KWIM. OMGosh, I am going to be a nervous wreck now. I just messaged him again to ask for tracking.
This is NOT normal because delivery is supposed to be express. I think you would have it by now. I will keep you posted and I hope you will do the same.
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I messaged him for tracking info and he replied with the number. However, when I found I had a problem and messaged twice in 10 hours he hasnt responded.
I also wanted to add that he has been great on answering all my messages and questions, and sometimes I get nervous and message vendors way too much, lol. He has been patient and kind and assured me I would receive tomorrow. Also, go to his page, and you will see people are reporting less than 24 hours after marked "in transit," so I cannot imagine what is going on? Message him again and put something in the subject line that will catch his eye, maybe? I will report back tomorrow, and I hope upon hope that I have good news, and best of luck to you, too.
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i hope the two of you get positive/fast results/responses... i also just ordered from gotsitall today and i'm hoping for a saturday delivery but i dont know whether thats even possible with express shipping. i hope so or i'm going to be having one crappy weekend.
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i hope the two of you get positive/fast results/responses... i also just ordered from gotsitall today and i'm hoping for a saturday delivery but i dont know whether thats even possible with express shipping. i hope so or i'm going to be having one crappy weekend.
I messaged the poor guy about a million times, and he is so patient and reassuring. Also the tracking he gave me says it will be delivered to me by noon today, so I don't anticipate any issues. I am choosing to think positive. I have errands to run before I can head home, but I should be able to pick it up close to 1pm CST, and I will definitely get on here and update. Good luck to you, too! I know what it is like to feel anxious about waiting.
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Just a bump so that I can find it after supper because I have much to say on this subject.
Anybody know how to use the "Mark Unread" etc buttons so as to be able to find a thread quickly? Any help would be appreciated.
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Nakorx, look below where it says, "Hello Nakorx," and it says, "show unread posts since last visit," and "show new replies to your posts." Click on those to easily find your posts.
As promised, I am updating about gotsitall. I just left him some incredible feedback. Express shipping arrived today by 11am (tracking he sent showed it would be here before noon). I was out running errands, but my roommate told me it was here 11am, and I couldn't wait to get home, lol! After one tiny bump I have all the energy I need for the day. My greatest hope was to not be sick for the week end, and anything else would be "icing on the cake." This product definitely provided that "icing on the cake." I cannot say enough GOOD about gotsitall, and I hope everyone gets what they need by the time that they need it.
Cheers!
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Weird, maybe you have a different definition of euphoria? lol
Also, consider it a good thing, put that shit down! It'll get ahold of ya. I just had an intense battle with #4.
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Well, my first experience with real euphoria was by ordering from Gotsitall. And I take the tiniest tiniest bit, due to not wanting to get a huge tolerance, since I am a pain patient with a small script each month. I save this for the times of heaviest pain, and I am good at rationing. I think that before the product itself was just not good and did nothing for me. This is exactly what I was looking for. I don't like to "nod." Instead, I like a little bit to take the pain away and give me a bit of energy so I can actually function.
I hope to hear from the other two who were worried about their orders.
Any updates?
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Well, my first experience with real euphoria was by ordering from Gotsitall. And I take the tiniest tiniest bit, due to not wanting to get a huge tolerance, since I am a pain patient with a small script each month. I save this for the times of heaviest pain, and I am good at rationing. I think that before the product itself was just not good and did nothing for me. This is exactly what I was looking for. I don't like to "nod." Instead, I like a little bit to take the pain away and give me a bit of energy so I can actually function.
I hope to hear from the other two who were worried about their orders.
Any updates?
i'm glad you found what you were looking for in good dope. :)
i'm worried... it seems a lot of people have already gotten their overnight orders from GIA and i haven't... i'm in the middle of a big city where my 'express' packages almost always make it in one day... i havent totally given up hope for getting it today but i have a sinking feeling i'm going to spend the weekend sick. :(
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I hope you get your order SourGrapes. And if not, I hope you've got something on hand...a sick weekend is a pretty unpleasant prospect.
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woohoo! ever want to just kiss your mailman?
i got my dope. god DAMN that's some rocks. just in time, too. my hands are shaky and sweaty and trying to break this up is a little bit of a chore. if i sneeze on it too, someone kick me. can't wait to try this but omfg i've never had big solid giant rocks like this... seems like i should feel like it's an awesome thing, and maybe i will if i can get it to crush up at all.. frustrationnnn.. it'll pay off damn it.
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When I get that hard Afghani stuff I bring out my trusty mortar and pestle and grind it all up, often adding one part cut to it just to make it more managable. Or if you can crush it up on a hard table top with a spoon after putting it between a sheet of paper. I'm sure you'll find a way!
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working on it as i write this...
so far i was wrapping it in a few layers of plastic and crushing it (or trying to) with my TV remote.. but this seems to have been a bad idea, as i tore my lil baggie. i have a few teeny bags around i will have to find to replace it. the method works for pills, eh.. sigh. i have a pill grinder i could likely use pretty well, but i'll have to clean the living hell out of it, it's caked with like 5 years of god knows what, amphetamines and opiates/apap pills and benadryl and lord knows what.. i've been wanting a nice mortar and pestle for ages, this may be my excuse to get one.
hah i've got it. i mostly-crushed a small rock to little teeny sand-grain pebbles, laid em in 2 lines on a book cover, and then just smushed one line/ground down on it with the flat side of a lighter. had to scrape the powder off the lighter but it's pretty fine now. definitely going to have to figure out a better method for the rest of this, it took 20min of work to crush up a tester line and one extra. i cant spent 20min on each little bump, no bueno.
on the upside, less than 5min after railing a little bump, my hands have dried out and stopped shaking, my grumbleguts are calming down, and my anxiety-related chest pains are gone. i think this dope may hit faster than subs.. i have a lil bump or two left of subs gear that i saved just in case nothing showed today to try to ward off too much sickies.. i want to compare it side by side with GIA's at some point this weekend and get a real feel for the legs, the come-up, and the qualities of the individual highs.
I love silk road. i really do. i LOVE the option of different suppliers who ALL have decent dope, none of whom are going to mug me or slap my ass or try to follow me home. i love that this is run like a legit business, and not like some shady back-alley fuckover deal. i love having my drugs and medications delivered to my door.
damn this is good dope, i got that good gear ramble goin on... i need to go leave GIA a kickass feedback and review before i get too high.
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Lol. Glad you're happy with it and will have a pleasant weekend!
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Hi Orpheus, wondered how long it would be before you found this thread, seeing as it is about a subject close to both our hearts and minds :)
My Golden Horse order should turn up in the next day or three, and then I will know more about the subject of this thread. Tomorrow it will have been 14 days since marked "in transit" , the average time to reach destination. I hope there are no more problems because I had my worst SR experience ever on my last order >:( :(
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There are MANY factors involved in "how much heroin' is ACTUALLY in your heroin! From where it's grown to how it's harvested!
Here you go ... a very good easy to understand "how to make heroin" article
The Making of Heroin
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Corrections from people who know more about chemistry this chemistry than I do (i.e, pretty much anyone! lol) are welcomed.
I. The Poppy
Illicit cultivation of the opium poppy (Papaver somniferum) has traditionally been an Asian business. More recently, production has spread to the highlands of the tropical regions of the Western Hemisphere, primarily Mexico and Colombia. The worldwide illicit opium harvest in 1995 was estimated at 4,157 metric tons, the majority accounted for by the estimated 2,561 tons produced in Southeast Asia (primarily Myanmar (Burma), with significant crops also in Laos, Thailand, China, Vietnam, and Cambodia) . Following Southeast Asia is Southwest Asia, primarily Afghanistan (with smaller amounts growing in Pakistan, Turkey, Iran, India, Lebanon and Khirgistan), these two regions accounting for the vast majority of opium destined for conversion to illicit heroin. Colombia was estimated to have produced 65.5 tons of opium in 1996 , while Mexico was estimated to have grown 53 tons in 1995. Heroin originating from these Western Hemisphere sources is destined almost exclusively for the United States, while Southeast Asian product enjoys worldwide distribution. Heroin of Southwest Asian origin is mostly exported to Europe or consumed locally.
P. somniferum is an annual, flowering plant, believed to have evolved, through centuries of breeding and cultivation, from a wild-growing ancestor native to the northeastern Mediterranean coast. It grows best in dry, temperate climates, usually at altitudes of over 800 meters (2500 ft) above sea-level. The optimal growing season is from September to July depending on the regional climate. In Southeast Asia, planting is completed by late October, in order to take advantage of the long days of the Southern Hemisphere winter. Growing plots are selected for maximum sun exposure on slopes of gradients of 20 to 40 degrees for optimal drainage. (Excessive moisture is damaging to the plant). About one pound of seed is needed to sow one acre of land. By November, when the young plant enters the cabbage or lettuce stage and has reached a height of about one foot, some of the plants are removed in order to leave room for the others to grow (about 1 to 2 feet between plants). A typical opium poppy field has 60,000 to 120,000 plants per hectare (2.46 acres). The mature plant reaches a height of about 2-5 feet by late winter, beginning to flower after about 90 days of growth, 3 to 8 flowers per plant. Flowering continues for several weeks, reaching full bloom by early spring (or later, depending on the region; later development is typical in more western regions .
After full bloom, the petals drop to reveal a small, round grayish-green fruit which continues to develop into an oblate, elongated or globular capsule ( also called the seedpod, bulb or poppy head) about the size of a chicken egg. The skin of the pod encloses the ovary, the walls of which secrete the latex (opium) which collects in a network of vessels and tubes throughout the pod.
About two weeks after the petals have fallen, the pods are fully mature, as indicated by the aforementioned shape of the capsule, a change in color from grayish-green to dark green; the points of the pods crown now stand straight out or are curved upward. At this point the pods are ready to be scored (or tapped, incised or lanced). Harvesters make the incision with a a three- or four- bladed instrument (iron or glass blades bound tightly on a wooden handle), designed to make an incision of about one millimeter deep. (Too deep an incision may result in excessive spilling either into the center of the pod or to the ground; too shallow and the latex will not ooze as desired). The pods are scored two to three times each in the afternoon, causing the white latex to drip onto the surface of the pod. The opium oxidizes, darkens, and thickens overnight, and in the morning is scraped from the surface with a flat iron blade. This process is repeated over several days until each pod is depleted of its opium. Each pod may yield from 10 to 100 milligrams of opium, with an average of 80 milligrams, which is set aside in a container to dry in the sun. (Pods giving highest yields are marked, cut from the plant, cut open and dried in the sun, their seeds saved for the next planting). Dried, raw opium is brown to black in color; higher-quality product is brown and sticky. A typical farm will produce 3 to 9 kilograms of opium per acre.
II. Opium: Some vital statistics
Over 40 different alkaloids have been identified as present in opium, mostly as salts of meconic acid . The most important of these, of course, is morphine. Although Turkish opium (Druggists Opium) may contain up to 21% morphine , the average morphine content of opium tapped from P. somniferum is 9 to 14% by mass. Next most prominent is codeine (3-methoxymorphine) which constitutes 0.5 to 2.5% of the dried latex. Noscapine, comprising 4 to 8% of opium, has been used as an over-the-counter, non-psychoactive cough suppressant (6). Papaverine, present at 0.5 to 2.5%, is sold as a digestive antispasmodic. Thebaine, 0.5 to 2%, is a convulsant in high doses; it is also similar in structure to morphine is used in the licit manufacture of semisynthetic opiates such as hydrocodone and oxycodone.
(Other species of poppy, notably _Papaver bracteatum_ , contain higher concentrations of thebaine and are cultivated for the extraction of this alkaloid ). Other alkaloids include narceine, protopine, laudanine (laudanosine), codamine, cryptopine, lanthopine, and others.
Ideally, the above alkaloids should be removed in the purification of opium for conversion to heroin. However, clandestine chemistry is rarely ideal, and some of these alkaloids are often not removed, remaining as imupurities of origin.
The most notable impurity of origin results from the failure to remove codeine. The manufacture of heroin, discussed in detail below, involves the acetylation of morphine to form 3,6-diacetylmorphine. Acetylated codeine (acetylcodeine) often constitutes 10% of the narcotic content of street heroin, sometimes up to 45% of this quantity.
Acetylcodeine is a key marker used in signature analysis of heroin, as the heroin-to-acetylmorphine ratio of seized batches has been found to vary among source countries . Also, acetylcodeine has been found to be two times as toxic as diacetylmorphine (heroin) in mice , and hence it may contribute to street heroins toxicity. Unreacted morphine and codeine are also present in some poorly processed heroin, which may bring about adverse reactions in users, especially when the drug is injected intravenously. The non-phenanthrene alkaloids (i.e, all alkaloids except morphine, codeine, and thebaine) are more rarely found, probably decomposed in the acetylation process. Noscapine, papaverine, laudanosine and/or cryptopine are occasionally present but in such small amounts that although toxic at higher doses, they are not thought to contribute to the pharmacological effects of street heroin. Thebaine is decomposed by acetylation, and although the decomposed product, acetylthebaol, is sometimes present, it is not thought to have any harmful effect.
III. Heroin manufacture
The complete conversion of raw opium to pure heroin hydrochloride (diacetylmorphine HCl) may be summarized as follows:
Purification of raw opium -->
extraction/purification of morphine from opium -->
conversion of morphine to heroin base -->
purification of heroin base and conversion to hydrochloride salt.
After step 4, diluents and adulterants may be added either by the manufacturer or by parties further along the distribution chain. Also, shortcuts may be taken at steps 2, 3 and 4, and steps 2 and 4 may be eliminated altogether. The process delineated in this section is that observed in Southeast Asia, designed to result in nearly pure diacetylmorphine HCl. A brief discussion of how the aforementioned shortcuts bear on the properties of heroin originating from other regions and comments on diluents and adulterants commonly found in seized samples will follow.
1.) Purification of opium.
Raw opium collected from the poppy as described above is placed in an open cooking pot of boiling water. This should dissolve all of the alkaloids in the opium, while solid plant material, soil, twigs, etc. remain undissolved and float to the top of the solution. Solid impurities are scooped out or filtered by straining the mixture though cheesecloth or burlap. The liquid is then re-heated over a low flame, evaporating the water to leave behind a thick, dark paste, which is then dried in the sun. The opium left behind has a putty-like consistency and is generally about 20% lighter (20% more pure) than the raw material. At this point the product may be exported for smoking or eating or consumed locally. This process may be carried out by farmers before shipping for consumption or further processing, or the raw opium may be transported to heroin manufacturing sites where the preparation is undertaken on a larger scale.
2.) Extraction of morphine.
Processed opium is stirred in large drum of boiling water until it has completely dissolved. Slaked lime (calium hydroxide), at about one-fifth the mass of opium, (or a fertilzer with a high lime content) is added to the solution. This has the effect of converting morphine, insoluble in cool water, into the soluble salt, calcium morphenate. For the most part, the other alkaloids do not react, and when the mixture is cooled, the morphenate remains in solution, while the other chemicals settle to form a brown sludge at the bottom of the container. (Codeine is somewhat soluble in water and some amount is likely to remain in solution).
The calcium morphenate solution is scooped or poured from the drum and filtered and pressed through burlap rice sacks or some other makeshift filtration apparatus. The filtered solution is re-heated, but not boiled, in cooking pots to which ammonium chloride is added at about one-fourth the mass of opium processed. After the pH of the solution reaches 8 or 9 it is cooled. Within a few hours, morphine base and any remaining codeine precipitate out of solution and settle to the bottom of the pot. The solution is then poured off through cloth filters, leaving chunks of morphine base on the cloth, which are squeezed dry and set aside to dry further in the sun. The dried crude morphine base is a coffee-colored powder.
(A more scrupulous chemist might use ether in the filtration to dissolve any residual codeine out of the base mixture, but this is not reported in accounts of illicit manufacture).
From this point, some manufacturers may proceed directly to step 3. Ideally, however, the crude morphine base is purified by dissolution in dilute hydrochloric (or sufuric) acid, forming a solution of morphine hydrochloride (or sulfate). Activated charcoal is added, and the solution is heated and filtered hot through a fine cloth. The filtration is repeated several times, removing the charcoal and colored impurities with it. The filtrate may be dried in the sun to leave behind morphine hydrochloride, a fine white powder if purification is complete, which may be pressed into 1 kg bricks and transferred for further processing at a remote site. Alternatively, ammonium hydroxide may be added to the morphine HCl solution (or re-dissolved morphine HCl), precipitating morphine base, filtered and dried to form a granular solid.
3.) Conversion of morphine to heroin base.
The key chemical used in the acetylation of morphine to form heroin is acetic anhydride, a colorless, highly combustible liquid with a strong pickle-like odor. Though internationally controlled as a heroin precursor, acetic anhydride also used to synthesize aspirin and chemicals for leather tanning and photography. Morphine hydrochloride or morphine base is mixed with acetic anhydride at about three-times the mass of the former in a stainless steel or enamel pot. The pot lid is tied or clamped on with a damp towel for a gasket (a makeshift reflux apparatus), and the mixture is heated at 85 degrees Celsius (185 degrees F), avoiding boiling.
The cooking proceeds for about 5 hours until all the morphine has dissolved. The pot is opened, and the mixture -- now a solution of water, acetic acid, and diacetylmorphine (heroin) -- is allowed to cool. Water is added to the mixture at three-times the volume of acetic anhydride, and the mixture is stirred. (Optionally, a small amount of chloroform is added. The mixture is allowed to stand for 20 minutes. The chloroform dissolves colored impurities and settles to the bottom of the pot as a red, greasy liquid, and the water layer is carefully poured off.)
Activated charcoal is added to the mixture, absorbing solid impurities, which are filtered out repeatedly until the solution is clear. Approximately 2.2 kilograms of sodium carbonate (soda ash) per kilogram of morphine are dissolved in hot water and added solwly to the mixture until effervescence stops, precipitating solid heroin base.
Heroin base is filtered with a fine cloth, set aside and heated until dry. The heroin base should be a granular, white powder at this point. If still colored (beige or light brown), the base may be re-dissolved in dilute hydrochloric or citric acid, treated with charcoal again, re-precipitated and dried. Alternatively, in some manufacturing regions, the incompletely purified base may be packed and transported for sale (a practice probably typical in Southwest Asia). About 700 grams of heroin base will be produced from each kilogram of morphine.
Optionally, skilled heroin chemists may further purify the base by dissolving it in twice its mass of boiling ethyl alcohol, filtering the solution through a heated funnel into a heated flask. This removes traces of sodium carbonate remaining in the base. The flask is submerged in an ice bath, where it is transformed into a thick white cream. The substance is placed in a pan in a refrigerator with a fan set to blow across the pan to slowly evaporate the alcohol . The paste crystallizes after several hours and is then vacuum filtered. The product, referred to as alcohol morphine base, is re-crystallized heroin base.
THIS IS THE FINAL RECRYSTALIZATION STEP WHICH MAKES #4 Heroin
4.) Conversion of heroin base to heroin hydrochloride.
For each kilogram of heroin base (or re-crystallized heroin base), 6.6 liters of of ethyl alcohol, 6.6 liters of ether, and 225 milliliters of concentrated hydrochloric acid are measured out. The base is dissolved by heating with one-third of the alcohol and one half of the acid. Another one-third of the acid is stirred in. Next, the remaining acid is added slowly, dropwise, until the product is completely converted to the hydrochloride salt.
This result may be confirmed either by observing that a drop of solution evaporates on a glass plate leaving no cloudy residue or by placing a drop of solution on Congo red paper, observing it turn the paper blue. Once the conversion is complete, the remaining alcohol is stirred in.
Then half of the ether is added, and the mixture is allowed to stand for 15 minutes.
As soon as crystals begin to form in the solution, the remaining ether is added at once, stirred, and the the vessel is covered. The mixture becomes nearly solid after an hour.
It is then filtered, and the solids are collected on clean filter paper. Wrapped in the paper, the solid is dried on a wooden tray, usually over lime rock, and dried in the sun.
The fully dried product, heroin hydrochloride, is a fine white powder, ready for packing and shipping.
References
[1] The Supply of Illicit Drugs to the United States: National Narcotics Intelligence Consumers Committee 1995. Drug Enforcement Administration, August 1996.
[2] Report of the International Narcotics Control Board for 1996. International Narcotics Control Board, E/INCB/1996/1, United Nations Publication, 1996
[3] Constantine, Thomas A. The Threat of Heroin to the United States. Statement Before the House Subcommittee on National Security, International Affairs and Criminal Justice Committee on Government Reform and Oversight, September 19, 1996.
[4] Claus, E.P., Tyler, E.T., Brady, L.R. Pharmacognosy (6th ed.), 1970. (Lea & Febiger: Philadelphia).
[5] Opium Poppy and Heroin Cultivation in Southeast Asia. Drug Enforcement Administration, Intelligence Division, Sept, 1993. (DEA - 92004)
[6] Soine, W.H. Clandestine drug synthesis. Medicinal Research Reviews. 6:1 (1986), pp. 41-74.
[7] Sharghi, N. & Lalezari, I. Papaver bracteatum Lindl., a highly rich source of thebaine. Nature, (March 25, 1967), p. 1244
[8] Narayanaswami, K. "Parameters for determining the origin of illicit heroin samples". Bulletin on Narcotics, 37:1 (1985), pp. 49-62
[9] ONeil, P.J., Baker, P.B. & Gough, T.A. Illicitly imported heroin products: Some physical and chemical features indicative of their origin. Journal of Forensic Sciences, 29:3 (1984), pp. 889-902.
[10] ONeil, P.J. & Pitts, J.E. Illicitly imported heroin products (1984-1989): Some physical and chemical features indicative of their origin. Journal of Pharmacy and Pharmacology, 44 (1992), pp. 1-6
[11] Baker, P.B. & Gough, T.A. The separation and quantitation of the narcotic components of illicit heroin using reverse-phase high performance liquid chromatography, Journal of Chromatographic Science
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The euphoric rush usually comes from shooting or smoking a large quantity fast.
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Not trying to be a dick here, but the 'rush' comes from the 'acetylated morphine' being able to quickly pass the BBB (Blood Brain Barrier)
The 'strength' of the rush = the 'strength of the gear ... I will start a thread with ALL this data, for those of you interested,, can check it out
Please let me know if you'd like a more complete version with some both some simpler and more complex data and 'explanations' about morphine => heroin :)
must mix more morph motek ;)
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That is odd indeed.