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Title: "Community Shield" - LSD-25 test inicative
Post by: lessless on August 10, 2012, 09:34 am
Hello! We, who all gathered here are willing to protect ourselves and community from scammers and thus vow to act honestly and openly in benefit of all who intend consume LSD-25.
The purpose of this iniciative is  to separte the legit vendors from frauds, thou no commercial interests maybe involved to influence the process.
And on this basis we are now about to standardize the test procedure: reagents, sequence, and  of people, the same results from which will render a verdict ( number of jury ).
So here are the few questions - what is the most reliable way to discover that blotters/drops contains only lsd-25?  Is one person enough to make a final judgement?
Title: Re: "Community Shield" - LSD-25 test inicative
Post by: chil on August 10, 2012, 11:36 am
Test kits is the answer. Every LSD user should test their stuff before ingesting.
Title: Re: "Community Shield" - LSD-25 test inicative
Post by: lessless on August 10, 2012, 11:41 am
What test kit is relaible enough to guarentee that drop/hit contain only LSD-25 w/o mixins?
Title: Re: "Community Shield" - LSD-25 test inicative
Post by: raven92 on August 10, 2012, 11:50 am
What test kit is relaible enough to guarentee that drop/hit contain only LSD-25 w/o mixins?

Sadly no reagent is going to tell you this with 100% confidence. Ehrlich + Marquis + Mecke will give you a pretty good idea. I've had issues with Marquis though, it seems to react badly with  certain blotter papers, giving odd results even if its legit LSD. I think the answer is to extract it with 95% pure Ethanol, then test that after it evaporates.

It'd be great to get some feedback on the testing methods from one of the chemistry buffs around here. I only know enough to be dangerous :(
Title: Re: "Community Shield" - LSD-25 test inicative
Post by: 34trimethoxy on August 10, 2012, 04:20 pm
It's really difficult, even with the Erlich. It can give you and IDEA, but generally if it's on paper it's going to be hard to get a reaction. Works great for crystal and liquid tho (for the most part)

The best way is by taste. There are NO chemicals active in the 80ug range that are tasteless, and fit on a blotter. Sure some of the new RC's can fit on blotter, but they are VERY bitter. Acid on tabs should be TASTELESS. NO ink bullshit. Inks not bitter. Eat a lil piece of paper right now with ink, tastes like paper. TASTELESS is KEY!

IF ITS BITTER ITS A SPITTER!

To rule out NBOME, just swallow the tab. First check the taste and if it's bitter, spit it out. If it's not bitter, swallow it. Generally if it's on a small tab and it passes both tests (being not bitter at all, not even slightly, and still works upon swallowing (within 30 mins for come up), and you start to get all giggly (no of the RC's did this with me), then you likely have acid. You can erlich all day long, but at the end of the day these 3 objective tests will tell the truth.

THERES NO TASTELESS RC's IN THIS RAGE THAT CAN BE SWALLOWED AND FIT ON BLOTTER!!

That's the main thing.

BITTER = SPITTER! Please, BE SAFE! :)
Title: Re: "Community Shield" - LSD-25 test inicative
Post by: masterblaster on August 11, 2012, 12:06 am
*cue torrent of people who say they've had bitter lsd.

 rules of thumb are great and all, but ehrlich's do work or otherwise no one would use them. The only real problem with the reagent tests is that they CAN give strange results if the blotter was dropped with a mixture of chems. Usually a bad sign if you dont see verifiable results with one tab.
Title: Re: "Community Shield" - LSD-25 test inicative
Post by: masterblaster on August 11, 2012, 12:07 am
also even if you do determine lsd is the only compound on the tab, it doesnt prove that its lsd-25, the only way to prove that is to send it into a lab.
Title: Re: "Community Shield" - LSD-25 test inicative
Post by: 34trimethoxy on August 11, 2012, 04:58 pm
also even if you do determine lsd is the only compound on the tab, it doesnt prove that its lsd-25, the only way to prove that is to send it into a lab.

Honestly if you find LSD on a tab it's gonna be LSD - "25" as you say (that's just horse shit btw and has nothing to do with the nomenclature, it was just the 25th in the series developed like 2C-T-2, the 2 at the end means it was the second in the series)

ANYWAY, it is very unlikely you'll get ETH-LAD or some other LSD derivative that is just a difficult to make, probably get's a lesser yield, and most people have never heard of. LSD if the easiest and most profitable, those who cook it think they are doing the world a favor, so I don't think they are in the lab tinkering with an ethyl here instead of a methyl. They are cooking, bagging, and mailing.

Real acid is great. 2c-b is a hell of a drugl.

Title: Re: "Community Shield" - LSD-25 test inicative
Post by: KatEverdeen209 on August 11, 2012, 05:13 pm
I really don't think mixing or multiple chems on a sheet is a worry I don't see why someone would waste two drugs doing that. It'd be costly,  anybody with access to LSD crystal likely doesn't need to cut it. When you find it its generally cheaper than the average dude would think =]

But I do belie e its important for people to learn how to test their hits for LSD anddddd I think maybe it would be cool for the community to assign a designated tester funded by the community.

Maybe iit could work like this, we find a trusted valued member of the site who whenever a new vendor comes out or a current vendor gets new doses a customer sends one or two hits to this person. The money to pay for these hits and test kits will be supplied as donations from the community in order to share a common value of harm reduction and scam prevention. 
Title: Re: "Community Shield" - LSD-25 test inicative
Post by: raven92 on August 11, 2012, 05:19 pm
I really don't think mixing or multiple chems on a sheet is a worry I don't see why someone would waste two drugs doing that. It'd be costly,  anybody with access to LSD crystal likely doesn't need to cut it. When you find it its generally cheaper than the average dude would think =]

But I do belie e its important for people to learn how to test their hits for LSD anddddd I think maybe it would be cool for the community to assign a designated tester funded by the community.

Maybe iit could work like this, we find a trusted valued member of the site who whenever a new vendor comes out or a current vendor gets new doses a customer sends one or two hits to this person. The money to pay for these hits and test kits will be supplied as donations from the community in order to share a common value of harm reduction and scam prevention.

I think the issue is Ehrlich tests for indoles and wont react with pretty much anything else, so simply by adding some 5-MeO-AMT to a DOC blotter you'd be able to get it to test positive for LSD according to the Ehrlich test.
Title: Re: "Community Shield" - LSD-25 test inicative
Post by: Porpoise on August 11, 2012, 05:30 pm
It's really difficult, even with the Erlich. It can give you and IDEA, but generally if it's on paper it's going to be hard to get a reaction. Works great for crystal and liquid tho (for the most part)

The best way is by taste. There are NO chemicals active in the 80ug range that are tasteless, and fit on a blotter. Sure some of the new RC's can fit on blotter, but they are VERY bitter. Acid on tabs should be TASTELESS. NO ink bullshit. Inks not bitter. Eat a lil piece of paper right now with ink, tastes like paper. TASTELESS is KEY!

IF ITS BITTER ITS A SPITTER!

To rule out NBOME, just swallow the tab. First check the taste and if it's bitter, spit it out. If it's not bitter, swallow it. Generally if it's on a small tab and it passes both tests (being not bitter at all, not even slightly, and still works upon swallowing (within 30 mins for come up), and you start to get all giggly (no of the RC's did this with me), then you likely have acid. You can erlich all day long, but at the end of the day these 3 objective tests will tell the truth.

THERES NO TASTELESS RC's IN THIS RAGE THAT CAN BE SWALLOWED AND FIT ON BLOTTER!!

That's the main thing.

BITTER = SPITTER! Please, BE SAFE! :)

Words to live by!

I remember last summer there were a bunch of blotters that folks said tasted really sour/bitter and the explanation that was given was that it was something in the manufacturing process. But that explanation was obviously a clever ploy to pass  off stuff as LSD.

I had some "Hoffmans" from Streetpharmacy that I guess I was wrong about because they were bitter as heck. No other tabs I've had were bitter like that.

Still, I have to admit it was a fun experience and the fact that I wanted it to be L probably helped me get more out of it.
Title: Re: "Community Shield" - LSD-25 test inicative
Post by: müslix on August 11, 2012, 06:44 pm
Sadly no reagent is going to tell you this with 100% confidence. Ehrlich + Marquis + Mecke will give you a pretty good idea. I've had issues with Marquis though, it seems to react badly with  certain blotter papers, giving odd results even if its legit LSD.
Mandelin, Mecke, Marquis (don't know about Ehrlich) all contain sulfuric acid (H2SO4) which will react with ANY (blotter) paper and turn brown, therefore tamper with the result.

I really don't think mixing or multiple chems on a sheet is a worry
you may rest assured that it is. I have seen results like "25ug LSD + unknown substance" from test centers a couple of times now. Don't wanna sound overly paranoid, but the RC-shit is everywhere.

Who ever re-started that RC-crap should be shot, it should stay buried in PHIKAL forever. 5-10 years ago this shit wasn't an issue at all. Now you can't buy anything without worrying what RC you'll get.

If I had a time-machine I'd first kill the guy who started to hype that shit again, then go for Hitler.
Title: Re: "Community Shield" - LSD-25 test inicative
Post by: angelkiller on August 11, 2012, 07:22 pm
I really like this idea. I think there should be two people who run the same tests. This way, one person isn't controlling the reviews and the results will be well supported. Hard to argue against two independent tests. Vendors could submit samples to be tested and (possibly for a tiny fee) individuals could submit samples for their own results. If the tests agree, the vendor can claim the acid passes the 'SR Community LSD Test' or something. Like a seal of authenticity or something. This would be super helpful and I think this could work.

Oh. KatEverdeen209 had this idea first. Can someone rep him for me?
Title: Re: "Community Shield" - LSD-25 test inicative
Post by: Molly Want a Cracker on August 11, 2012, 09:14 pm
Sadly no reagent is going to tell you this with 100% confidence. Ehrlich + Marquis + Mecke will give you a pretty good idea. I've had issues with Marquis though, it seems to react badly with  certain blotter papers, giving odd results even if its legit LSD.
Mandelin, Mecke, Marquis (don't know about Ehrlich) all contain sulfuric acid (H2SO4) which will react with ANY (blotter) paper and turn brown, therefore tamper with the result.

I really don't think mixing or multiple chems on a sheet is a worry
you may rest assured that it is. I have seen results like "25ug LSD + unknown substance" from test centers a couple of times now. Don't wanna sound overly paranoid, but the RC-shit is everywhere.

Who ever re-started that RC-crap should be shot, it should stay buried in PHIKAL forever. 5-10 years ago this shit wasn't an issue at all. Now you can't buy anything without worrying what RC you'll get.

If I had a time-machine I'd first kill the guy who started to hype that shit again, then go for Hitler.

lol, agreed
Title: Re: "Community Shield" - LSD-25 test inicative
Post by: 34trimethoxy on August 12, 2012, 01:47 am
I really don't think mixing or multiple chems on a sheet is a worry I don't see why someone would waste two drugs doing that. It'd be costly,  anybody with access to LSD crystal likely doesn't need to cut it. When you find it its generally cheaper than the average dude would think =]

But I do belie e its important for people to learn how to test their hits for LSD anddddd I think maybe it would be cool for the community to assign a designated tester funded by the community.

Maybe iit could work like this, we find a trusted valued member of the site who whenever a new vendor comes out or a current vendor gets new doses a customer sends one or two hits to this person. The money to pay for these hits and test kits will be supplied as donations from the community in order to share a common value of harm reduction and scam prevention.

I'll volunteer. We have already discussed this between a few veterans, and I'd be more then happy. I'm a O-chem student in uni, so I know how to test well and read accurate results. I also have access to GM/MS during the school year. So let me know if you guys want me to do this. I don't have the money for an Ehrlich, but if someone sends me one, and we all donate for the tabs, I can do this, and even GC/MS them for quantity =D

I'm all about keeping the community safe.

And whoever said it only tests indole, this is true. But imo (as a chemist) if you have indole on hand, and you are wasting it just to cause a positive reaction, then you are a wasteful son of a bitch because you can make so many more profitable chems with indole. It's hard to get.

But let me know guys!! I'm the right choice =D
Title: Re: "Community Shield" - LSD-25 test inicative
Post by: raven92 on August 12, 2012, 03:24 am
If you have access to GC/MS what the hell do you need to Ehrlich it for? And what do you mean if you have "indole" on hand?

Officer Barbrady, I call shenanigans!
Title: Re: "Community Shield" - LSD-25 test inicative
Post by: 34trimethoxy on August 12, 2012, 03:37 am
If you have access to GC/MS what the hell do you need to Ehrlich it for? And what do you mean if you have "indole" on hand?

Officer Barbrady, I call shenanigans!

Because I'd have to use the GC/MS at my uni, and I'd rather use Ehrlich in private because, well, it's private. Just to test if there is acid on the tabs, for a QUANTITATIVE analysis, I would use GC/MS and also to see if there is anything else on the tab.

A lot of people can easily get access to indole (if they are chem students).

Better living through chemistry. I'm just trying to help the community, I'm going to be doing this regardless (GC/MS) but I figured with and Ehrlich I could help the community at the same time.
Title: Re: "Community Shield" - LSD-25 test inicative
Post by: masterblaster on August 12, 2012, 10:55 pm
I'd be willing to do reagent tests but i dont want to have to order $100 of tabs from every scammer that comes on here. Its really going to have to be a community effort, at least to send in tabs to testers.
Title: Re: "Community Shield" - LSD-25 test inicative
Post by: masterblaster on August 12, 2012, 10:56 pm

Honestly if you find LSD on a tab it's gonna be LSD - "25" as you say (that's just horse shit btw and has nothing to do with the nomenclature, it was just the 25th in the series developed like 2C-T-2, the 2 at the end means it was the second in the series)


What about lsa and lsb and all that crap, are those indoles?
Title: Re: "Community Shield" - LSD-25 test inicative
Post by: 34trimethoxy on August 14, 2012, 07:46 pm

Honestly if you find LSD on a tab it's gonna be LSD - "25" as you say (that's just horse shit btw and has nothing to do with the nomenclature, it was just the 25th in the series developed like 2C-T-2, the 2 at the end means it was the second in the series)


What about lsa and lsb and all that crap, are those indoles?

Yes they are both indoles, assuming by LSB you mean bromo, the inactive form of LSD currently being studied for it's cluster headache cures.

It's very unlikely that either of these would be found on a tab, as LSB requires LSD to synthesize, and would be a waste of money and reagents to make (a long with the fact that it is inactive) and LSA is not active in the doses required to fit on a tab. It's also unlikely someone would take the time to extract it.

The only analogues are ETH-LSD and such. These I personally wouldn't mind on a tab, and the Ehrlich would still test pos for them.

I'd be more then happy to start testing, just as master said it would have to be a community effort.