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Discussion => Newbie discussion => Topic started by: americaonline on May 10, 2013, 04:50 pm

Title: Why do some reputed vendors require FE?
Post by: americaonline on May 10, 2013, 04:50 pm
I read in FAQs that under no circumstances should you FE. However, I notice alot of vendors, some reputed require it.

Example: SuperTrips

has been a vendor for 1 year
was last seen: today
ranked in the top 1% of sellers with 96.3% positive feedback from more than 300 transactions
has 2780 fans - become a fan


This guy has 2780 fans but he forces anyone ordering less than $500 to FE. Does this mean he's not legit?
Title: Re: Why do some reputed vendors require FE?
Post by: jundullahi on May 10, 2013, 05:01 pm
I am sorry that I cannot answer your question. The wisdom is only that never ever FE.
I did and I have feeling am being scammed because my domestic order after 5 day has not arrived.
And the vendor is not responded to my message. And he was online.

So never ever FE. Just find some other vendor.
If you asks you to FE and you say no. And he cancels your order than you can assume maybe has was planning on
scamming you. 
Title: Re: Why do some reputed vendors require FE?
Post by: dirtybiscuitzz718 on May 10, 2013, 05:03 pm
No, it simply means he has it like that. Some one that offers what ST does, kind of has the buyer by the balls, so to speak. He offers bulk amounts and whole sale prices that few other vendors can match, if any at all. A $500 dollar order to some one like ST, is peanuts..as it typically is to buyers of bulk ecstacy as well.

 On the other hand, many smaller scale vendors will also require FE under particular circumstances, I would imagine thats pretty much because they cant afford to take a hit on a no show pack, or on the chance that a buyer may try and fuck them. Scamming goes both ways around here, even though all you really hear about is the scamming vendors.. there has been many instances where a buyer will build a repour with a particular vendor, with smaller orders, then try and stiff them on a large one.

 The key is to shop around on a smaller scale than what your looking for, build trust and a business relationship with vendors, then work from there. Lots of smaller 'mom&pop' vendors will often work with their buyers, tailoring orders for individual custys. Hope that helps. Good luck.
Title: Re: Why do some reputed vendors require FE?
Post by: dirtybiscuitzz718 on May 10, 2013, 05:06 pm
I am sorry that I cannot answer your question. The wisdom is only that never ever FE.
I did and I have feeling am being scammed because my domestic order after 5 day has not arrived.
And the vendor is not responded to my message. And he was online.

So never ever FE. Just find some other vendor.
If you asks you to FE and you say no. And he cancels your order than you can assume maybe has was planning on
scamming you. 

What vendor if you dont mind my asking?

New buyers with less than X amount of purchases, are REQUIRED to FE..but this street goes both way, new vendors with less than 35 transactions and/or X amount of dollars in sales, are REQUIRED to NOT as for FE.

 Lots of times just because the seller does not get back to you in a timely fashion, does not mean they are fucking you in anyway. Lots of sellers are very very busy, most have teams working under them, and still can barely handle the volume of sales that SR generates.
Title: Re: Why do some reputed vendors require FE?
Post by: psilocybe on May 10, 2013, 05:15 pm
Yeah almost all vendors have some sort of FE policy for new buyers as a safety precaution for them I guess, but that's not the only reason a vendor may require FE, could be anything. They may be low on stock and can't afford to float alot of money in escrow etc. Or could be due to the crazy fluctuation of bitcoin as of recently. Honestly, just talk to the vendor. Send him a message and ask, just making contact and talking alone can give a vendor more trust.

I guess an example I could think of would be FrankMatthews. He has a policy that everyone must FE. Since I myself never have and never would FE, I just sent him a message and got chatting with him, and just simply asked nicely if I may stay in escrow, and he said no problem.
Title: Re: Why do some reputed vendors require FE?
Post by: jundullahi on May 10, 2013, 05:21 pm
I am talking about DrugForYou a relatively new dutch vendor of coke, crack, heroine, xtc and weed.
He said he mailed the order on monday and this domestic and in the Netherlands mail is fast I should have had it
the next day or at most the day after. I know because monday I called a goverment organisation about some issue and got a letter the next day. He asked me to FE to build ''trust'' and that he could refill he's stock. And after the message on the second day. THE SOUND OF SILENCE.
Title: Re: Why do some reputed vendors require FE?
Post by: dirtybiscuitzz718 on May 10, 2013, 05:24 pm
Are you sure thats the right vendor nym? because there is no account on SR with that nym.


EDIT i found him, he seems legit by my account, id wait a day or two then shoot another message if he doesnt answer soon.
Title: Re: Why do some reputed vendors require FE?
Post by: jundullahi on May 10, 2013, 05:28 pm
I can send his vendor page link got it right here.

http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/e61438bc14

By the way I really liked your tread on LSD. :)

I wish you the best
Title: Re: Why do some reputed vendors require FE?
Post by: psilocybe on May 10, 2013, 05:36 pm
I am talking about DrugForYou a relatively new dutch vendor of coke, crack, heroine, xtc and weed.
He said he mailed the order on monday and this domestic and in the Netherlands mail is fast I should have had it
the next day or at most the day after. I know because monday I called a goverment organisation about some issue and got a letter the next day. He asked me to FE to build ''trust'' and that he could refill he's stock. And after the message on the second day. THE SOUND OF SILENCE.

Yeah well to be honest that doesn't sound good at all man. Sounds like you got ripped off. You may not have, but it's likely. And because you FE'd, there's nothing at all you can do now. Except for hope that the vendor didn't rip you off, and just hasn't read your message or had delays or something. Have you checked whether he's read your messages you sent him? Has he been online?
Title: Re: Why do some reputed vendors require FE?
Post by: jundullahi on May 10, 2013, 05:42 pm
He has been online and my message to him are unread. I all so sent him a PM and PGP email.
There are some more treads running on him and this subject.

I can always try and report him for misleading vendor page.

If you read it you will see that he talks about pleasing his costumers is his number one priority and that if the package does not arrive he will reship. We if he does reship he better reship with track and trace. Or else.


Probably not much.

Thank for the support. Wish you the best
Title: Re: Why do some reputed vendors require FE?
Post by: Drug Ape on May 10, 2013, 05:47 pm
There are many reasons why a vendor would ask you to FE
1. They have been scammed a lot from certain parts of the world and they dont want to go through SR every time they get scammed
2. Cash flow is a big problem with some vendors and they need extra cash to keep up with demand
3. They think that certain parts of the world (or any other than there own ) are high risk and they want to make sure they get there money even if it is intercepted .

people get scared that there going to be scammed and you should always be cautious however if you have a repeatable vendor that you go to a lot there is no reason not to FE your just making there life easier
 
Title: Re: Why do some reputed vendors require FE?
Post by: psilocybe on May 10, 2013, 05:59 pm
He has been online and my message to him are unread. I all so sent him a PM and PGP email.
There are some more treads running on him and this subject.

I can always try and report him for misleading vendor page.

If you read it you will see that he talks about pleasing his costumers is his number one priority and that if the package does not arrive he will reship. We if he does reship he better reship with track and trace. Or else.


Probably not much.

Thank for the support. Wish you the best

Yeah, I'll check out his account now. But it doesn't sound like much will be resolved unfortunately, sorry to say that. Of course don't just take my word, I'm clueless really, who knows, he actually could just be really bogged down, I don't know.

Yeah even though he acts as he's the caring and friendly vendor, once he gets someone to FE, it's basically free money, so you're most likely not his number one priority anymore sadly.

Sorry man, I wish I could help you out more, I really feel for people who get scammed on here, it really sucks, and annoys me aswell that it happens to innocent buyers. But all you can do in the end is take it as a lesson and learn from it, It's what I've had to do on here when I started out.
Title: Re: Why do some reputed vendors require FE?
Post by: iforgotmypin on May 10, 2013, 06:00 pm
I don't really mind if it's just a small order...
Title: Re: Why do some reputed vendors require FE?
Post by: psilocybe on May 10, 2013, 06:09 pm
I don't really mind if it's just a small order...

you didn't happen to forget your pin, did you, iforgotmypin? that would be a pain aye
Title: Re: Why do some reputed vendors require FE?
Post by: flufh3d on May 10, 2013, 06:13 pm
I would never FE, for anyone, under any circumstances. Maybe just MAYBE with one of my vendors that I've been doing business with for a while and sr was tanking or coins were crazy (just to be nice). But that's it. Most my vendors ask that you never fe. Escrow is there for a reason
Title: Re: Why do some reputed vendors require FE?
Post by: jundullahi on May 10, 2013, 06:16 pm
I dont mind if the order is big or small. What I do mind if the vendor is talking about building trust then violates that trust. That just make my blood boil.
I dont care much about money never did. But I care about high moral values.

I just cannot understand how somebody could scam somebody else. I never could. Tried once but just could not do it.
Title: Re: Why do some reputed vendors require FE?
Post by: oheesawteewaya on May 10, 2013, 06:44 pm
There are a lot of trusted vendors who do ask to FE until
certain conditions are met...but
just shop around dude you can always find others who use escrow
and eventually you will be able to buy from the ones you want
once you meet their criteria. It just is not worth being
scammed!

Peace
Title: Re: Why do some reputed vendors require FE?
Post by: jackoxy on May 10, 2013, 07:36 pm
I am talking about DrugForYou a relatively new dutch vendor of coke, crack, heroine, xtc and weed.
He said he mailed the order on monday and this domestic and in the Netherlands mail is fast I should have had it
the next day or at most the day after. I know because monday I called a goverment organisation about some issue and got a letter the next day. He asked me to FE to build ''trust'' and that he could refill he's stock. And after the message on the second day. THE SOUND OF SILENCE.

TRUST ME.... dutch vendor myself ...domestic 1 .... but the most is 2 days. Or it have to be hemelvaart or so :-(

I think you're fucked...of genaaid op z'n Hollands  ???
Title: Re: Why do some reputed vendors require FE?
Post by: jthev2005 on May 10, 2013, 07:51 pm
Generally if they're shipping a lot of product and need to keep the money flowing, they'll require FE. Or they're gradually building up for a megascam, like Tony76 or Supertrips or Lucydrop or EJDirect etc.
Title: Re: Why do some reputed vendors require FE?
Post by: jackoxy on May 10, 2013, 08:06 pm
I find that such a strange thought....
they ask to FE because they need to buy new stock ?
If you don't have enough income to buy new stock you do something wrong...I think.
...once it is working ok the orders will keep coming and everyday after the first order like say after 10 days every day the money comes in ...right?
If you're a vendor for some time and have over 300 sales....you have money to buy stock.
No need to ask for FE....ever
Title: Re: Why do some reputed vendors require FE?
Post by: jthev2005 on May 10, 2013, 08:18 pm
I find that such a strange thought....
they ask to FE because they need to buy new stock ?
If you don't have enough income to buy new stock you do something wrong...I think.
...once it is working ok the orders will keep coming and everyday after the first order like say after 10 days every day the money comes in ...right?
If you're a vendor for some time and have over 300 sales....you have money to buy stock.
No need to ask for FE....ever

Good point. I honestly don't know the motive of many vendors who require FE. It seems more common when it's an international order and they don't wanna deal with the bullshit if it gets snatched by customs. It's tricky being a new buyer and finding a vendor who won't require it but there are plenty who don't so keep looking.
Title: Re: Why do some reputed vendors require FE?
Post by: jundullahi on May 10, 2013, 08:24 pm
Ja ik denk
I am talking about DrugForYou a relatively new dutch vendor of coke, crack, heroine, xtc and weed.
He said he mailed the order on monday and this domestic and in the Netherlands mail is fast I should have had it
the next day or at most the day after. I know because monday I called a goverment organisation about some issue and got a letter the next day. He asked me to FE to build ''trust'' and that he could refill he's stock. And after the message on the second day. THE SOUND OF SILENCE.

TRUST ME.... dutch vendor myself ...domestic 1 .... but the most is 2 days. Or it have to be hemelvaart or so :-(

I think you're fucked...of genaaid op z'n Hollands  ???



Inderdaad denk ik dat ik genaaid be.

True I think that I am scammed. But I dont worry. What comes around goes around. If he does not responded to my messages. I will make it know change my feedback. And report him for misleading vendor page.
Title: Re: Why do some reputed vendors require FE?
Post by: jundullahi on May 10, 2013, 08:30 pm
And anyway. I just dont understand. Losing a costumer for what 150 euro. And I may we in the Netherlands we get
vacation money. So I would have order more. If every thing went right. He even told me that I would not regret ordering for him. After FE. That is just low man.

Even if later on he still deliveries and treats his costumers well people like that should be shunned. To drive them out of businesses. People who abuse the trust of there costumers.
Title: Re: Why do some reputed vendors require FE?
Post by: FauxyDocs on May 10, 2013, 08:52 pm
Being a vendor, I definitely understand WHY vendors require FE. Vendors, too, have to pay for their goods, and when they have 50+ orders in transit, there is a substantial amount of BTC in the escrow system that is prone to bitcoin fluctuations, and cannot be used to re-up on their supplies.

With that said, a vendor's legitimacy is seriously questioned when they require FE, even when they are well-established on SR. There are plenty of examples of vendors building up a reputation, then simultaneously lowering prices and requiring FE, and then going rogue with bundles of BTC.

Best advice I can give is: NEVER FE UNLESS YOU ARE WILLING TO LOSE THAT MONEY OR HAVE A VALID REASON TO TRUST THE VENDOR.
Title: Re: Why do some reputed vendors require FE?
Post by: jackoxy on May 10, 2013, 08:58 pm
FE is always bad...the reason they want it.....? that it is seized by customs?
That is why there is a policy and a refund.
That he need to buy stock...is that your responsibility??
You are only buying from him...you are not his financial partner ...
Once the coins are finalized you have no where to turn....SR staff cannot help you, the coins are his!

@jundullahi if there is anything I have you like...you're more than welcome and don't FE LOL
Title: Re: Why do some reputed vendors require FE?
Post by: jundullahi on May 10, 2013, 09:07 pm
FE is always bad...the reason.....? that it is seized by customs?
That is why there is a policy and a refund.
That he need to buy stock...is that your responsibility??
You are only buying from him...you are not his financial partner ...
Once the coins are finalized you have no where to turn....SR staff cannot help you, the coins are his!

@jundullahi if there is anything I have you like...you're more than welcome and don't FE LOL

Yes your are absolutely right. I had a wrong feeling about that FE. But though well the hack why.

What is your vendor page adress.
Title: Re: Why do some reputed vendors require FE?
Post by: sweetpoison on May 10, 2013, 09:19 pm
  What i can't understand is,- On the sr buyer guide it says-
"NEVER go around the escrow" otherwise "we will be totally unable to protect you" +
"Our commitment is to total satisfaction for every purchase you make here." but
i've come across to that every UK Heroin vendor asks you to FE unless you have 10
successful transaction, the only vendor who doesn't require it is TopNotch
who i was buying from and always had smooth transactions and good service
 and i now have 9 successful transactions but unfortunately
 on 2 different accounts ( my original account pin stopped working for some reason,
 not because i forgot it, but it just wouldn't accept it, so i had to open 2nd account
because was urgent to make a purchase). Now for some reason TN doesn't have active listings anymore
and i can't buy my stuff anywhere else because everyone wants you to FE. At some point i had experience with
another well known uk H vendor, he asked me to FE which i did - got my stuff next day
 ( it was only 0.2 g), so when i purchased from him again and he asked to FE again,
of course i did ( it was 1g) and package didn't arrive. Every single time before
 that and after it made my door (all were local vendors),
so my address is not black listed, and my concern is - whether it was sent or
 i was scammed, I PMed him again after some time regarding my purchase, he asked to FE again.
But i'm not doing it again!
So what do we newbies have to do to be able to buy safely!?

I've recently got an advice - to buy books or play lottery to get stats, but i don't need
them books and don't want to waste money!
How come SR tells us to stay on escrow always but allows vendors to ask people to FE!?
Wouldn't that be more fair to say something like "newbies can't buy more then 0.2 g until
 the....hmm what do they worry for, by the way? :) they are getting their money anyway after it's been marked "in transit"
P.S. If vendors can't afford the money on escrow they have to get business credit to settle their business!
Title: Re: Why do some reputed vendors require FE?
Post by: 00Oo0o0oOo0Oo0oO on May 10, 2013, 09:21 pm
I think that some "trusted" vendors selectively screw up orders on people with no purchase history simply because they can get away with it.  It sucks, but I learned my lesson.
Title: Re: Why do some reputed vendors require FE?
Post by: sweetpoison on May 10, 2013, 09:30 pm
2 OOOo.. i didn't understand - why can they get away with newbies and can't with  people with stats?
Title: Re: Why do some reputed vendors require FE?
Post by: twocows on May 10, 2013, 09:34 pm
money...simple
Title: Re: Why do some reputed vendors require FE?
Post by: jackoxy on May 10, 2013, 09:49 pm
2 OOOo.. i didn't understand - why can they get away with newbies and can't with  people with stats?

very simple....
who you believe...a trusted vendor or a newbie with no purchases.
If you have 30 purchases and all good, no refund, autofinalize....its much harder to proof that that (you) customer want to scam you.

I always take my chance with a newbie but only for small orders...the worst that can happen that I loose 30 to 50% when have to refund.
The buyer get that on his stats and can never order from me again.
I know 99.9% of all my shipments arrive with my regular customers so...... ???
Title: Re: Why do some reputed vendors require FE?
Post by: jundullahi on May 10, 2013, 09:56 pm
They should have the same kind of system for the vendors. Like requested FE order never arrived.

Do you think I can report the vendor that scammed me if he promise to resend if the goods dont arrive.
Title: Re: Why do some reputed vendors require FE?
Post by: BEHRS on May 10, 2013, 10:08 pm
Because, they do not trust escrow, for whatever reason.
Title: Re: Why do some reputed vendors require FE?
Post by: jackoxy on May 10, 2013, 10:12 pm
They should have the same kind of system for the vendors. Like requested FE order never arrived.

Do you think I can report the vendor that scammed me if he promise to resend if the goods dont arrive.
definitely ...there is ''report vendor'' button
That will set things in motion.
You have the odds on your side....nothing goes lost in NL mail service...well almost nothing LOL
You won't get your coins back though...that is his now after FE (don't mean to rubb it in :-p) but this is what everybody need to know !!!
FE and you coins are gone orders arrived or not
Title: Re: Why do some reputed vendors require FE?
Post by: jundullahi on May 10, 2013, 10:16 pm
Thank you.
Sorry cannot give you a karma point cause already did
I will report him tomorrow if I find my mail box empty and no messages for him.
Title: Re: Why do some reputed vendors require FE?
Post by: jackoxy on May 10, 2013, 10:21 pm
Thank you.
Sorry cannot give you a karma point cause already did
I will report him tomorrow if I find my mail box empty and no messages for him.
I thought that + was from you....thanks!
Yes, thats the right attitude, give the benefit of the doubt but hit hard when they fuck you !
Title: Re: Why do some reputed vendors require FE?
Post by: jackoxy on May 10, 2013, 10:25 pm
midnight here...dog is sitting beside me...''com'on man... i need to piss''  ;)
have fun and ...NEVER FE
Title: Re: Why do some reputed vendors require FE?
Post by: jundullahi on May 10, 2013, 10:36 pm
oke well I wish you the best.
Title: Re: Why do some reputed vendors require FE?
Post by: jundullahi on May 10, 2013, 10:39 pm
I dont much care about the money. It the trust that got violated that really goes to my heart.
I want my piece of justice no matter how small

I wish you the best friend
Title: Re: Why do some reputed vendors require FE?
Post by: wl2ong1 on May 10, 2013, 10:50 pm
When going escrow, if you don't receive your package, what is the process if you don't want to send the vendor your BTC?  Or is there even a process to stop the Auto finalize?

I ask because I would like to better understand the escrow system in its entirety.
Title: Re: Why do some reputed vendors require FE?
Post by: BajoZero on May 11, 2013, 02:35 am
I regularly sell to people who are new, and have not every yet had a problem with a newbie.  The only problems I have had are with established buyers who have threatened to leave negative feedback if I don't either send them free stuff or refund their money.
Title: Re: Why do some reputed vendors require FE?
Post by: jundullahi on May 11, 2013, 09:42 am
I regularly sell to people who are new, and have not every yet had a problem with a newbie.  The only problems I have had are with established buyers who have threatened to leave negative feedback if I don't either send them free stuff or refund their money.

That is for of scamming to.
Title: Re: Why do some reputed vendors require FE?
Post by: jundullahi on May 13, 2013, 04:55 pm
Today DrugForYou replied and promised to resend the order tomorrow.
I will see what happens
Title: Re: Why do some reputed vendors require FE?
Post by: greensm0k3 on May 13, 2013, 05:03 pm
i never have had to FE and i do not plan on it either.
Title: Re: Why do some reputed vendors require FE?
Post by: jundullahi on May 13, 2013, 08:46 pm
And that is the right attitude
Title: Re: Why do some reputed vendors require FE?
Post by: PsychedelicSphere on May 13, 2013, 08:57 pm
I haven't made my first purchase yet, but I will never FE.
Title: Re: Why do some reputed vendors require FE?
Post by: jundullahi on May 13, 2013, 09:49 pm
NEVER FE as a rule.

But as a newbie. You could FE on small orders with vendors that are really highly rated.

Try to stick with domestic vendors. If for some reason you FE and you get scammed. You can still get you piece of
justice by report them spam the forums with information about there crimes against you. And keep on spamming. Add the name and address of the vendor that scammed you to your forum signature And keep sending them
message every day or so asking them if the have changed there mind. You could also you ask God to give you justice and punish the evil doers that scammed you.

But as a rule never FE.
Title: Re: Why do some reputed vendors require FE?
Post by: jundullahi on May 16, 2013, 11:43 pm
I received a message for DFY. He told me that I will have to wait till tomorrow if I will not get any thing he promised me a refund.