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Title: which benzo is nicer than klonopin?
Post by: KarlM15 on February 11, 2012, 05:50 pm
So far I tried only clonazepam. Its half-life is a bit long and makes me drowsy in the morning, but I'm not sure if it's better than a short half-life one.

I heard there is one benzo which makes you feel like "the man", which is that?

thanks in advance
Title: Re: which benzo is nicer than klonopin?
Post by: perky on February 11, 2012, 06:08 pm
XANAX lol. Trust me thats your answer.
Title: Re: which benzo is nicer than klonopin?
Post by: KarlM15 on February 11, 2012, 06:24 pm
Yeah, I should try that next.
I know there's one specific benzo which is said to make you feel like a boss, but forgot which...

EDIT: it could be Nitrazepam
Title: Re: which benzo is nicer than klonopin?
Post by: cuba on February 11, 2012, 07:02 pm
Everyone's preference with benzos are going to be different. My personal favorite is valium. Klonopin comes on slower than xanax. bars hit u like a ton of bricks and if ur not dosing properly you will either pass out, or just black out completly and have no clue what you did. you will do dumb shit. I've done ativan,klonopin,xanax,valium and maybe one other i can't remember and all at abusive dosages. xanax i've hit 5mgs on top of plenty of beer (can you say near death experience/blackout city.)

your gonna have to try a couple to grasp what your favorite is. it will differ from others.
Title: Re: which benzo is nicer than klonopin?
Post by: perky on February 11, 2012, 07:09 pm
No. If you want a euphoric feeling or feel like "a boss" its not preference its xanax.

Those other benzos may clear you anxiety and make you feel confident, I agree...But if you want a high go with xanax..

It is preference but if we were to take a poll i bet xanax would be 85 percent of the peoples best euphoric benzo...

Recently I tried valium didnt like it...Kpins are better but dont get you high! XANAX!
Title: Re: which benzo is nicer than klonopin?
Post by: cuba on February 11, 2012, 07:25 pm
i agree most people will say xanax is thier favorite, but they all get you high when taken in the right dosages.

xanax is the hardest hitting, but it wont make you feel like a "boss" you just wont give a fuck about anything.
Title: Re: which benzo is nicer than klonopin?
Post by: KarlM15 on February 11, 2012, 07:35 pm
According to this description from Wikipedia it could be flunitrazepam (the "rape drug"):
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Criminals sometimes use flunitrazepam before committing robbery, as it has a calming and anti-emotive effect. This allows the criminal to perform the robbery without becoming anxious[citation needed]. Flunitrazepam is also known to induce anterograde amnesia making police interrogations more difficult.[28][29][30]
Unfortunately there's no one selling it currently.
Title: Re: which benzo is nicer than klonopin?
Post by: jewfro on February 11, 2012, 09:32 pm
According to this description from Wikipedia it could be flunitrazepam (the "rape drug"):
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Criminals sometimes use flunitrazepam before committing robbery, as it has a calming and anti-emotive effect. This allows the criminal to perform the robbery without becoming anxious[citation needed]. Flunitrazepam is also known to induce anterograde amnesia making police interrogations more difficult.[28][29][30]
Unfortunately there's no one selling it currently.

roofies? probably. i know when i was reading about amobarbytal, the wiki page said that that huge shootout in LA, with the two guys who had AKs, who robbed the bank, and had the car trunk literall full of ammo, shooting the shit out of LA's finest porkchop fucks... anyway, had shot themselves up with amobarbytal, as was discovered on the post-mortem, most likely to calm their nerves, and definitely for that "IDGAF" attitude that is jsut such a pleasant side effect with most downers. well... any euphoric downers, really.

personally, i've had that "like a boss" feeling with valium. kpins the bomb for quicc as fucc sedation. esp coming off uppers.
Title: Re: which benzo is nicer than klonopin?
Post by: treebeard on February 11, 2012, 11:11 pm
in my mind the only benzo better than klonopin is xanax
Title: Re: which benzo is nicer than klonopin?
Post by: perky on February 12, 2012, 12:14 am
in my mind the only benzo better than klonopin is xanax

Yep I AGREE
Title: Re: which benzo is nicer than klonopin?
Post by: microRNA on February 12, 2012, 02:00 am
I would say the best benzo inebriation I have experienced would definitely be nitrazepam. Seems like the most intoxicating and provided a feeling of euphoria I didnt achieve from val, xan, or kpin, all of which i enjoy on a fairly equal level.  Most people have never tried it I believe since it is more rare now, but if you ever find it dont pass up the opportunity. I would say it has one of the highest recreational values and it lasts for a long time.

Flunitrazepam really is too sedating and memory inhibiting to be of any real recreational use in most peoples opinion
Title: Re: which benzo is nicer than klonopin?
Post by: perky on February 12, 2012, 02:09 am
Im in the states...never had that or etizolam stuff...

In the states the most prized benzos go like this it seems xanax,kpin,val,  aand then ativan and other undesirables

Can you tell me more about this nitropam or whatever?
Title: Re: which benzo is nicer than klonopin?
Post by: microRNA on February 12, 2012, 05:24 am
I am in the states too, just got lucky I guess and it may have been imported. It is a schedule IV here though I am not sure if it is regularly prescribed since people abused it so frequently. Theres lots of info on nitrazepam on wiki actually:

"Nitrazepam in drug abusers produces effects including feeling energetic, relaxed, drunken, talkative, pleasure and euphoria"

"A study found that nitrazepam caused significant euphoria as against placebos and was identified as an active drug by freshly detoxified experienced drug abusers of heroin and other drugs. Nitrazepam resembled diazepam (Valium), however, on certain parameters the effects produced by nitrazepam were more pronounced in these drug abusers."

Its a great time! I believe I have seen it listed before, I am sure someone can find it.
Title: Re: which benzo is nicer than klonopin?
Post by: jtemp102311 on February 12, 2012, 06:14 am
So far I tried only clonazepam. Its half-life is a bit long and makes me drowsy in the morning, but I'm not sure if it's better than a short half-life one.

I heard there is one benzo which makes you feel like "the man", which is that?

thanks in advance

Try a 4mg dose of Ativan (lorazepam).  It is surely different than the rest.

I feel that it's a more euphoric combination of like Xanax and K-pins.
Although a 2mg K-pin on a bad day is always amazing..

Just got out of rehab for this stuff though.. so really is NO joke.  Benzodiazepines are RIGHT behind alcohol in terms of long-term damage/ most lengthy and dangerous withdrawls.  I had 4 g-mal seizures in June because once I arrived.. they would NOT treat me.

Please be careful ;)
J
Title: Re: which benzo is nicer than klonopin?
Post by: perky on February 12, 2012, 12:48 pm
ativan is what doctors give boys when they have anxiety....doctors dont like handing out xanax..HMM I wonder why?
Title: Re: which benzo is nicer than klonopin?
Post by: bobbysnewshoes on February 12, 2012, 01:37 pm
I like valium b/c it doesn't knock me out, just makes me calm. Doesn't make me do dumb shit like xanax....
Title: Re: which benzo is nicer than klonopin?
Post by: sourman on February 12, 2012, 04:07 pm
Here's my 2 cents:

Xanax (alprazolam) - Hits the hardest and the quickest, short half-life, feels like being drunk but without the effects of alcohol ingestion. Good for insomnia and panic attacks, especially if you need quick relief that doesn't last into the next day. I've taken tons of this stuff and never really felt any euphoria, although it does enhance weed highs and the like. Grapefruit juice enhances the effects of Xanax for me, as well as making it last longer.

K-pins (clonazepam) - Takes a while to kick in, even if you try to take it sublingually. Not as good as Xanax for recreational use, but feels great when you need it for actual anxiety. You can still function more or less normally on this stuff, and it's great for helping rough sleepers actually sleep still throughout the night. The half-life sucks though, especially if you take it "once in a while" only to realize it's been in your system for weeks. I actually felt some mild withdrawals that way! Grapefruit juice didn't really have much effect when I tried it with k-pins, not that it's needed anyway lol.

Ativan (lorazepam) - Feels a lot like Xanax to me, except with more amnesia and even more sedation. Great for insomnia!

I never tried Valium, although it's rumored around here to be the most euphoric benzo. My friends hate it, but that's because they rip you off for it in this area.
Title: Re: which benzo is nicer than klonopin?
Post by: perky on February 12, 2012, 04:54 pm
Here's my 2 cents:

Xanax (alprazolam) - Hits the hardest and the quickest, short half-life, feels like being drunk but without the effects of alcohol ingestion. Good for insomnia and panic attacks, especially if you need quick relief that doesn't last into the next day. I've taken tons of this stuff and never really felt any euphoria, although it does enhance weed highs and the like. Grapefruit juice enhances the effects of Xanax for me, as well as making it last longer.

K-pins (clonazepam) - Takes a while to kick in, even if you try to take it sublingually. Not as good as Xanax for recreational use, but feels great when you need it for actual anxiety. You can still function more or less normally on this stuff, and it's great for helping rough sleepers actually sleep still throughout the night. The half-life sucks though, especially if you take it "once in a while" only to realize it's been in your system for weeks. I actually felt some mild withdrawals that way! Grapefruit juice didn't really have much effect when I tried it with k-pins, not that it's needed anyway lol.

Ativan (lorazepam) - Feels a lot like Xanax to me, except with more amnesia and even more sedation. Great for insomnia!

I never tried Valium, although it's rumored around here to be the most euphoric benzo. My friends hate it, but that's because they rip you off for it in this area.
I TRIED val from the sr from a great vendorfor the first time a week ago..and hated them they dont do shit...i mean they take anxiet away BUT THATS IT..THATS why they cost a penny a piece..(they were roche 10mg (strongest) not pakastian crap)
Title: Re: which benzo is nicer than klonopin?
Post by: JackS on February 12, 2012, 05:14 pm
ativan is what doctors give boys when they have anxiety....doctors dont like handing out xanax..HMM I wonder why?

Yeah I have been given ativan 1mg sublingual tabs on 3 occasions for flight anxiety from my Doctor and he only gives me 5 pills at a time. Meanwhile he gives my mother 30 xanax .25mg because she too needed something for a flight. WTF? I would take the Xanax any day over Ativan. Ativan can fuck with my vision even at 2 or 3mg doses and it kills my concentration span for at least 12 hours. Xanax is quick and short and can leave me feeling fresh about 3 to 4 hours after a small dose.
I find I only use Valium when I'm looking for some good muscle relaxation. I find it works best for me.
Kpins are good for if you don't want to be slurring your speech and just want to get through your day with no anxiety and a slight mood lift.
Midazolam was good for me in hospital when used to help put you to sleep as it left me with no after effect the next morning.
Etizolam 1mg was cool, kinda like ativan 0.5mg mixed with kpin 0.5 mg except it lasted only like 3 hours tops for me.
Title: Re: which benzo is nicer than klonopin?
Post by: jewfro on February 12, 2012, 08:13 pm
ativan is what doctors give boys when they have anxiety....doctors dont like handing out xanax..HMM I wonder why?

only because xanax is reaching the level of valium, quaaludes, and the barbs that were prescribed before it.

you know it's only a matter of time before the bubble bursts when tv shows substitute in pharm-product placement, and suddenly every tom dick and harry knows what xanax is, nawimsayin?
Title: Re: which benzo is nicer than klonopin?
Post by: sourman on February 13, 2012, 05:31 am
Here's my 2 cents:
[SNIP]

I TRIED val from the sr from a great vendorfor the first time a week ago..and hated them they dont do shit...i mean they take anxiet away BUT THATS IT..THATS why they cost a penny a piece..(they were roche 10mg (strongest) not pakastian crap)

Valium is also way weaker than other common benzos, especially Xanax and Kpins:

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Benzodiazepine      Comparative    Time         Half-life
                    dose           to peak
                                   plasma
                                   level

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Alprazolam            .5           1   - 2       9   -  20
Bromazepam           3.0            .5 - 4       8   -  30
Chlordiazepoxide    25             1   - 4      24   - 100
Clonazepam            .25          1   - 4      19   -  60
Clorazepate         10             variable      1.3 - 120 * (unreliable absorption)
Diazepam             5             1   - 2      30   - 200 *
Estazolam            1              .5 -  .6     8   -  24
Flurazepam          15              .5 - 1      40   - 250 *
Halazepam           40             1   - 3      30   -  96 *
Ketazolam            7.5           3.2          30   - 200
Lorazepam            1             2 4           8   -  24
Nitrazepam           2.5            .5 - 7      15   -  48
Oxazepam            15             2   - 3       3   -  25 
Prazepam            10             2.5 - 6      30   - 100
Quazepam             7.5           1.5          39   - 120 *
Temazepam           10             2.5           3   -  25
Triazolam             .25          1   - 2       1.5 -   5

                                                           * metabolites

According to this chart (and others like it), Valium is about 10x weaker per mg than Xanax. If I'm correct, then you'd need to take something like 20mg of Valium to reach the same potency as one 2mg Xanax bar.

One thing does strike me as odd though. Some charts list Clonazepam (klonopin) as equivelent to Alprazolam (Xanax), but this one actually has the kpins at double the potency as Xanax. Weird...
Title: Re: which benzo is nicer than klonopin?
Post by: cuba on February 13, 2012, 11:35 pm
Here's my 2 cents:
[SNIP]

I TRIED val from the sr from a great vendorfor the first time a week ago..and hated them they dont do shit...i mean they take anxiet away BUT THATS IT..THATS why they cost a penny a piece..(they were roche 10mg (strongest) not pakastian crap)

could be wrong but about 40mg diaz = 1 bar. kpins i've heard r 2x stronger than xanies mg for mg but the onset is a lot more gradual.
Valium is also way weaker than other common benzos, especially Xanax and Kpins:

Quote
Benzodiazepine      Comparative    Time         Half-life
                    dose           to peak
                                   plasma
                                   level

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Alprazolam            .5           1   - 2       9   -  20
Bromazepam           3.0            .5 - 4       8   -  30
Chlordiazepoxide    25             1   - 4      24   - 100
Clonazepam            .25          1   - 4      19   -  60
Clorazepate         10             variable      1.3 - 120 * (unreliable absorption)
Diazepam             5             1   - 2      30   - 200 *
Estazolam            1              .5 -  .6     8   -  24
Flurazepam          15              .5 - 1      40   - 250 *
Halazepam           40             1   - 3      30   -  96 *
Ketazolam            7.5           3.2          30   - 200
Lorazepam            1             2 4           8   -  24
Nitrazepam           2.5            .5 - 7      15   -  48
Oxazepam            15             2   - 3       3   -  25 
Prazepam            10             2.5 - 6      30   - 100
Quazepam             7.5           1.5          39   - 120 *
Temazepam           10             2.5           3   -  25
Triazolam             .25          1   - 2       1.5 -   5

                                                           * metabolites

According to this chart (and others like it), Valium is about 10x weaker per mg than Xanax. If I'm correct, then you'd need to take something like 20mg of Valium to reach the same potency as one 2mg Xanax bar.

One thing does strike me as odd though. Some charts list Clonazepam (klonopin) as equivelent to Alprazolam (Xanax), but this one actually has the kpins at double the potency as Xanax. Weird...
Title: Re: which benzo is nicer than klonopin?
Post by: mju7 on February 14, 2012, 12:12 pm
You don't want to just look at strength. Generally benzos are shit if they have a long half-life, and good if they have a short half-life.
I hear good things about Midazolam and (although it is not a benzo) even better things about Zaleplon.
Title: Re: which benzo is nicer than klonopin?
Post by: ineedguns on February 14, 2012, 12:44 pm
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