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Discussion => Drug safety => Topic started by: dontek on June 06, 2013, 01:10 pm
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Reaching out for a little advice and guidance here folks...
I have taken mushrooms several times over the years and have always enjoyed the trip that comes along with them, minus of course the stomach being ripped up 15-20 minutes in. My GF has tried shrooms once, but she wound up coughing most of hers across the living room floor and didn't get that great of a trip.
So here I am wanting to have a trippy experience again, and where I find needing guidance.
I always stuck with shrooms because of the safety/natureness of them. Used in it's natural state, know what you're getting for the most part, etc. And I was close to placing an order for some, but have read many good experiences with LSD, which neither myself nor the GF have ever tried.
Which do you prefer and why?
And here is the MAIN important question that I have that I can't seem to find an answer to: Dosage. How much LSD should one get for 2 people? Want to have a good trip with visuals. But with never trying LSD before, I am not sure of the dosage amounts. Also, is there a preferred vendor on here for LSD?
Any thoughts and suggestions are greatly appreciated!
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I prefer LSD as it's easier on the stomach has less of a mind fuck then shrooms and the visuals are goregouse.
For a first time time dose I would recommend 150ug maybe 200ug if you are really looking to get out there.
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I know you didn't ask this but if you're looking for a natural, novel psychedelic, you should consider mescaline.
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I prefer LSD to psylocibin exactly because of the digestive problems you described. LSD is much more friendly to the digestive system. I would recommend a bit of a lighter dose for your first time, around 100ug. Check the LSD Avengers thread for vendor reviews/recommendations
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Great. Thanks guys. That was a great help. Should have posted this earlier in the week so I could have ordered already and had by this weekend. lol. As far as mescaline, didn't even think about it. I am a weed guy. And every once in a while I like to trip. But its always been mushrooms and only when they happen to come around, which isn't often around here.
I've dabbled in coke and some shitty street h, but that's rare, and even with SR it's not something I order. But man, it's been a looooong time since I tripped. I just want to make sure I am safe in doing it, quantity wise.
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I choose mine based on what I am going to be doing. Or just what I have.
If you are having trouble getting sick and digesting I would suggest drinking tea. I get 0 nausea and it is much easier to get down.
It's very simple. First chop up your shrooms or grind them up. Then put them in a pot of simmering water. Do not let the water get too hot because heat downgrades the potency of shrooms. Let them simmer for about 20 minutes or so and then add your teabag, whatever you like. And let simmer for another 10-15 minutes. Strain out the shrooms and enjoy! The come up is much quicker and I never get nausea's and honestly, it doesn't taste bad!
~PsychedelicSphere
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Personally, I find LSD to be a better all-around experience. I enjoy both, but I feel that it is a bit harder to manage heavy tripping on mushrooms as compared to LSD. I am no chemist, but if you read up I think you will find the 'natural' argument in favor of mushrooms is actually sort of thin. The active components of LSD are derived from fungus too.
At any rate, good luck and happy trails friend.
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Shrooms and LSD are very similar. The differences are exaggerated by people. Remember, both drugs put you into a highly suggestable state of mind. So people associate shrooms with "nature", and that inevitably colours their experience.
Ego death is the same whether you take shrooms or LSD.
Also, when people compare shrooms with LSD, they are often comparing LOW POTENCY acid (which is norm) with comparatively high potency shrooms -- so they will say that shrooms are "more visionary" and such. This is sheer nonsense. I have had the most profound visionary type experiences with LSD.
Nonetheless, there are some real differences between the two substances.
LSD:
-- more stimulant-like. more energy. I have to walk around and do things, explore, etc. I feel more adventurous on LSD
-- thoughts are more abstract, philosophical
-- lasts longer than shrooms.
-- more psychoanalytical
Shroom
-- more relaxing
-- feels more physical to me than LSD
-- my thoughts tend to be more down to earth compared with LSD. They can be just as wild and original as LSD thoughts, but they tend to be more Gaian in flavour.
-- There is a greater impairment of verbal fluency and short-term memory - 'confusion'
-- more nausea
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Shrooms and LSD are very similar. The differences are exaggerated by people. Remember, both drugs put you into a highly suggestable state of mind. So people associate shrooms with "nature", and that inevitably colours their experience.
Ego death is the same whether you take shrooms or LSD.
Also, when people compare shrooms with LSD, they are often comparing LOW POTENCY acid (which is norm) with comparatively high potency shrooms -- so they will say that shrooms are "more visionary" and such. This is sheer nonsense. I have had the most profound visionary type experiences with LSD.
so you say psylocibin is very similar to lsd cause you experience ego death and visuals on bouth.
i really do not get the 'high similarity' you want to point out here. there are quiet some psychedelics where you can experience ego death and visuals, would you consider all those psychedelics as 'very similar'?
LSD:
-- more stimulant-like. more energy. I have to walk around and do things, explore, etc. I feel more adventurous on LSD
-- thoughts are more abstract, philosophical
-- lasts longer than shrooms.
-- more psychoanalytical
Shroom
-- more relaxing
-- feels more physical to me than LSD
-- my thoughts tend to be more down to earth compared with LSD. They can be just as wild and original as LSD thoughts, but they tend to be more Gaian in flavour.
-- There is a greater impairment of verbal fluency and short-term memory - 'confusion'
-- more nausea
in the end also you seem to find more differences than similarities.
in fact i agree with you on most of those differences and similarities,
but my conclusion wouldn't be towards 'very similar'
cheers minchia
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Okay, im back again. :)
How about the liquid psychs such as like 2c-I or some of the others? I see ForveverJung supplies these.
From what it appears, for about $27, I could get a vile that would produce 5 trips? Is thst right? How is that so cheap compared to everything else? And from what I was able to find, some reviews on the forums say that it was good shit. What are the dangers here? If something sounds too good to be true, it generally is. Again, sorry for stupid questions but trying to expand my knowlegde and recreational use and I know that the direct experiences here outweigh any information I could google.
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please don`t give a young girl more than 100µg for her first trip
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so you say psylocibin is very similar to lsd cause you experience ego death and visuals on bouth.
i really do not get the 'high similarity' you want to point out here. there are quiet some psychedelics where you can experience ego death and visuals, would you consider all those psychedelics as 'very similar'?
I mean that the differences are exaggerated.
Even the differences that I listed are superficial.
In the 60s there was a study where they injected people on separate occasions with LSD, mushrooms, and mescaline, without telling them which drug it was.
No one could tell the difference, even experienced psychedelic users.
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to me I've always noticed that Mushrooms feel more organic. The 'shrooms take me back into a primitive state and make me feel connected to the earth, and all life forms, and the universe and all the planets and make me feel complete unity with everything. The Mushroom experience feels very alien like at times as well. Mushrooms make me realize that we're all a bunch of fucking apes, everytime! lol
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Okay, im back again. :)
How about the liquid psychs such as like 2c-I or some of the others? I see ForveverJung supplies these.
From what it appears, for about $27, I could get a vile that would produce 5 trips? Is thst right? How is that so cheap compared to everything else? And from what I was able to find, some reviews on the forums say that it was good shit. What are the dangers here? If something sounds too good to be true, it generally is. Again, sorry for stupid questions but trying to expand my knowlegde and recreational use and I know that the direct experiences here outweigh any information I could google.
2C drugs and designer tryptamines like 5-MeO-DMT are way cheaper per dose than LSD or shrooms, but that doesn't mean it's bad. I've never had 2C-I but 2C drugs are generally not as psychedelic, they give you the visuals but not the introspection and wild thoughts (not as much at least). If you want to have some cheap trips that are like shrooms I'd recommend things like Iprocin, Miprocin, 4-AcO-DMT, and other things ending in -DMT for example.
I mean that the differences are exaggerated.
Even the differences that I listed are superficial.
In the 60s there was a study where they injected people on separate occasions with LSD, mushrooms, and mescaline, without telling them which drug it was.
No one could tell the difference, even experienced psychedelic users.
That's weird, mescaline, psylocin and LSD all have pretty different mechanisms of action...
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That's weird, mescaline, psylocin and LSD all have pretty different mechanisms of action...
lol they all affect the same brain receptors, dumbass.
The differences are subtler than people imagine. Most of the differences are due to our expectations.
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That's weird, mescaline, psylocin and LSD all have pretty different mechanisms of action...
lol they all affect the same brain receptors, dumbass.
The differences are subtler than people imagine. Most of the differences are due to our expectations.
They all affect the 5-HT2A receptor but they don't ONLY affect that one and their affinities for different receptors are completely different.
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LSD all the way, I've seen some of my more shroom oriented friends go down to the intellect level of a elementary school kid and lose their attention span, while my friends who prefer LSD are basically the same even from years of use... Also, I think LSD is a nicer trip if you get the perfect amount ug for moderate visuals.
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i did shrooms maybe 9-10 years ago.. so my recollection may not be perfect. i was younger then, and maybe that was why my trip was bad (well that, and the environment was not the best). i did LSD for the first time earlier this year, and i'd have to say that i prefer LSD. i hope to try shrooms some time soon again though.
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In the 60s there was a study where they injected people on separate occasions with LSD, mushrooms, and mescaline, without telling them which drug it was.
No one could tell the difference, even experienced psychedelic users.
This is interesting and I have noticed many similarities in my own travels. But in everyday practice, people aren't being shot up in a blind "taste test". The experience of consuming each drug creates a lot of the overall "flavor" of a trip. The look of it, the smell, the taste, touch, etc. The old mantra set and setting really holds true.
To the OP - neither is my favorite, and neither is better or worse than the other. They have distinctly different "vibes" but to qualify them via text is largely asinine. To understand a substances effects on any meaningful level you just have to take it.
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Okay, im back again. :)
How about the liquid psychs such as like 2c-I or some of the others? I see ForveverJung supplies these.
From what it appears, for about $27, I could get a vile that would produce 5 trips? Is thst right? How is that so cheap compared to everything else? And from what I was able to find, some reviews on the forums say that it was good shit. What are the dangers here? If something sounds too good to be true, it generally is. Again, sorry for stupid questions but trying to expand my knowlegde and recreational use and I know that the direct experiences here outweigh any information I could google.
I love 2C-B and look forward to trying 2C-I but if you want things more safe as you said in your first post then stick with LSD and shrooms for now. You haven't tried LSD so to me that's the obvious pick. LSD is also well established to be safe. You could take 100 times the typical dose and you'd live (unless you did something stupid to hurt yourself).
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Prudent info from **CLEARNET** https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_faq2.shtml
BOTANY:
Lysergic compounds appear in ergot, a fungal parasite of cereal grains;
morning glory and hawaiian baby wood rose seeds; psychedelic tryptamines
also occur in psilocybe mushrooms, in some south american trees and the
poison glands of the cane toad. (Mescaline is not in this chemical family).
LSD (lysergic acid diethylamide) itself is not found in plants, however
its close chemical cousin lysergic acid amide is.
RELATED COMPOUNDS:
Related compounds are the indole hallucinogens including DMT
(dimethyl-tryptamine), DET (diethyl-), etc.; psilocybin; lysergic acid. DMT
is very fast acting, lasting less than an hour. Psilocybin, found in
hallucinogenic (aka magic or mexican) mushrooms, has effects similar to LSD
but they work for approximately half the duration. These are all indole
derivatives like the neurotransmitter serotonin, 5-hydroxy-tryptamine.
"Indole" is the name of the 6-carbon ring attached to the 5-ring containing
a nitrogen. The lysergic acid molecule contains an indole structure plus
additional rings.
LSD's two ethyl groups hanging off the amine may be replaced with
other carbon chains for compounds with different durations, potencies,
and effects.
While LSD is semi-synthetic, DMT and psilocybin are found in nature.
See the sections on BOTANY and ANTHROPOLOGY for info on related
natural (plant) compounds and their uses. Also see the Psilocybe
Mushroom and DMT FAQs for more information on these compounds.
Hey OP, I'm interested to hear how the trip went!