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Title: Shipping Info for Canadian Vendors
Post by: Spedly on December 25, 2011, 04:35 pm
My sister-in-law came to visit my wife and I for Christmas this year. As it turns out, she works in the Canada Post processing facility in a large western Canadian city. I thought I would take it upon myself to ask her some questions about shipping drugs in Canada through Canada Post and see if I could glean any information from here that might be useful for Canadian vendors here on Silk Road.

Canada Post employees are good, unionized folks. They do their job as per their job description and don't apply any discretionary effort. In other words. they do not go out of their way to find drugs in the mail. The key is packaging. They have all been trained in detecting the scent of marijuana. Therefore it is absolutely crucial to vacuum seal marijuana TWICE to reduce the chances of a scent being detected. Likewise, any packaging that is leaking anything will immediately draw suspicion.

In the event that drugs are detected by the handler, their job is to notify their supervisor and give them the package. The supervisor takes the package and notifies security. Security has the authorization to open the package and then determine the next steps. My sister-in-law isn't familiar with security's processes so she couldn't tell me much about that.

One thing that is important for vendors to know is that ANY mail or parcel that is headed to northern Canada (ie: north of Fort McMurray, Alberta) is subjected to additional scrutiny. Canada Post is fully aware that they are the biggest drug mule in the country, and since many parts of northern Canada are "dry" the onus is on them to ensure those areas remain "dry." A parcel and/or letter headed to Nunavut, for example, will go through every security system Canada Post has.

She has only seen police and drug dogs in her facility once in the 5+ years she has worked there. So although uncommon, it does happen.

In general, parcels go through more security than letters. A letter sized envelope that goes through their machines fine and/or is easily sorted by hand will not arouse any suspicions as long as it is scent-free. Shipping drugs in parcels is a stupid idea.

She cautioned against sending drugs to the U.S. All mail headed to the U.S. goes through additional security by Canada Post before it leaves Canada. It is also subjected to whatever security processes are in place inside the United States. She said sending drugs from Canada to the United States is very risky.

Canadians wanting to receive drugs from international vendors do so at their own risk. Her example was Holland: a package from Holland will go through Dutch security processes before leaving the country and then is subjected to Canadian Customs prior to being put into the mail system. So there is some additional risk there but she couldn't comment on the processes that Canadian Customs has.

Most of this information is probably already known. But hopefully someone will find it useful. If you have any specific questions feel free to ask me and I'll see if I can get an answer for you...
Title: Re: Shipping Info for Canadian Vendors
Post by: DeadAndBreakfast on January 08, 2012, 12:17 am
Thanks for the info.  I have one question.  Any info about those bubblewrap padded envelopes?  Does that count as a parcel, or would it still be discreet enough to use safely?  I'm new here and looked around the forum for this specific packaging question and couldn't find it, and since I'm in Canada I figured this would be the best place to ask.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Shipping Info for Canadian Vendors
Post by: Spedly on January 08, 2012, 12:46 am
Thanks for the info.  I have one question.  Any info about those bubblewrap padded envelopes?  Does that count as a parcel, or would it still be discreet enough to use safely?  I'm new here and looked around the forum for this specific packaging question and couldn't find it, and since I'm in Canada I figured this would be the best place to ask.  Thanks.

As long as it's one of the padded envelopes that's designed to fit in a standard mailbox then it's treated the same as a regular envelope. I think her definition of a "parcel" is something in a box.

For the record, as a buyer, I've never had any issues with bubblewrap padded envelopes. ;)

Happy SRing, and WELCOME!
Title: Re: Shipping Info for Canadian Vendors
Post by: 1UP of Canada on January 09, 2012, 03:44 am
Is is possible for you to ask her to elaborate on the additional security for US mail? Xray, randomized examination, whatever... and how often a piece of lettermail might actually be processed by hand as opposed to the machines?

And this is a long shot but does she know about the machines that sort mail? How much bending over rollers goes on with lettermail? Just a thought - it would be interesting to know because that's probably a major factor in telegraphing the fact that there's something in a letter aside from folded paper, all that compression and stuff.
Title: Re: Shipping Info for Canadian Vendors
Post by: cloud9ne on January 10, 2012, 02:27 am
In Canada all suspected drugs shipments must be sent to the RCMP lab to confirm what the substances are. So if you have a terribad package of weed sent out with it spilling out everywhere and even though it's quite obviously weed they still have to test it.

That means they won't immediately arrest you. Your package will get re-routed to the lab for analysis while some sort of BS problem is shown in the tracking history. Then they send the package back into the system and do controlled delivery, but only for huge amounts. No cops are going to do controlled delivery on an ounce of weed that's like $100k+ in court costs so you can get probation or a fine. Don't think so.

At major hubs, the cops will take suspicious packages and poke them with a wire to hopefully puncture any vacuum bags to see if they can smell weed, then seize the package. (It's illegal for them to open it, but they can stab it apparently) This only ever happens if you're stupid enough not to put your stuff in tupperware, then package and ship. This also only happens to obvious drug shipments, like personal name to personal name from a known drug exporting location (BC to Ontario) and is welfare packaged with extra tape and other known security flags.

DO NOT send Priority Courier within Canada, only Xpresspost and lower services. Priority Courier is handed off to Purolator and other contractors, they can open the package up legally and it's an LE flag for next day shipping.

Sending to the US if it's a letter, then nothing happens. It get's thrown in huge bags and monos then loaded on the plane. Sometimes a dog will be used at the airport to go around the monos of bags looking for any drug scent otherwise no other checking is done besides obvious bad packaging like an evelope that has hard substances in it that are clearly not paper or just documents.

If you send in a CD case or anything requiring a customs label, it get's dumped on a belt and dogs go over every package as it goes past the agents. They are pretty carefree, casually going through stuff that appears suspicious to open. They are primarily interested in the usual flags, like using extra tape, person to person shipments, odor, feel (you declare CD but the package is huge and feels like a hard tupperware container), undervalued items (you declare $1 for your shipment of furniture to the US full of drugs), all the usual items laid out in the OVDB wiki of customs mail flags.

When university/school is in session, there are less customs agents so stuff get's through easily. In the summer when they hire a thousand temp university kids as extra agents then they open up nearly everything because they're bored and they can.

TL:DR Use evelopes to ship to the US unless you have Can Post business shipping software to make it look incredibly legit.
Use XpressPost only or envelopes within Canada
Be aware of high theft in places like Nunavut where they steal suspected drug mail because 1g of weed is worth $30+ there same with Ft. mac and other isolated places full of people with money (Dawson's Creek, Ft. St John). Seal drugs, put in tupperware, package, then repackage outside and say it's laptop parts by pretending to be a hardware supply company or something. No 'Mr. Derp c/o PO BOX imadealer Vancouver BC' use company names and addresses.

I have sucessfully used US XpressPost envelopes to ship up to 1oz of MDMA to the US. You have to flatten it out so it feels like paper, and stick it to something inside so it doesn't rattle around or fall out. You also have to use business shipping labels and make it feel as thin and "document like" as possible. If it's opened should look like documents. So far never had a problem

Title: Re: Shipping Info for Canadian Vendors
Post by: cloud9ne on January 10, 2012, 02:46 am
I forgot about importing to Canada. Stuff from China/Asia is almost always opened as they're looking for cigarettes and prescriptions. Bulky packages from the UK are also scrutinized because they're looking for Quat/Khat but this is almost always sent air cargo since Khat becomes useless a few days after it's picked.

Stuff from US and Europe is almost never touched unless one of the usual flags, bad address, extra tape, something rattling around inside ect. If your stuff is ever opened then get a new address since that old one is flagged now. Dana Larsen (NDP candidate and drug legalization advocate) would import Coca Leaf from Bolivia and sometimes they'd get through and sometimes not. He would just get a new address and reship usually fixing the problem.

Nobody will open your letter of LSD from the Netherlands as long as the shipper uses all the proper smuggling techniques (no extra tape, no hand written addresses) and sends it from a business like a hotel, hostel, vacation agency, ect.

If you start getting a lot of international mail it is a flag simply because they think you're running some sort of lottery scam. Get PO boxes that come with street addresses. Every city has these. Change them up



Title: Re: Shipping Info for Canadian Vendors
Post by: F104 on January 10, 2012, 02:51 am
2 months no drugs paranoia finally down to a low simmer now this

why is all my hair falling out

every1 gets the shakes a lot after age 40, right?
Title: Re: Shipping Info for Canadian Vendors
Post by: F104 on January 10, 2012, 02:57 am
...obvious drug shipments, like personal name to personal name from a known drug exporting location (BC to Ontario) and is welfare packaged with extra tape and other known security flags.

I like yr writing but what is "welfare packaged" & where did the phrase come from

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It get's thrown in huge bags and monos then loaded on the plane. Sometimes a dog will be used at the airport to go around the monos of bags...

wot's a mono?

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you declare $1 for your shipment of furniture to the US full of drugs

If it's Ikea, that may be an insurance scam. just sayin'

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'Mr. Derp c/o PO BOX imadealer Vancouver BC'

You sound like a defense lawyer or bad-lieutenant type cop. I mean that in a nice way.
Title: Re: Shipping Info for Canadian Vendors
Post by: cloud9ne on January 10, 2012, 03:10 am
A mono is a wire cage the post office uses to stack mail on to planes and trucks.
'welfare package' simply means ghetto package covered in tape, torn, hand written, leaking, generally looking like shit

The Canada only internet weed dealers like Budmail all send the same (within Canada) which is vac sealed product, put into thin tupperware, vac sealed again and then wrapped in something and addressed so if it falls out no obvious drugs. Then wrapped in large Canada Post bubblewrap package or something else and mailed company name to personal name.

If you do the above no problems will ye have, except the drunks working in the post office in Nunavut and Ft. Mac that steal anything sent there they might think is weed.

Title: Re: Shipping Info for Canadian Vendors
Post by: EngineerRay on November 29, 2012, 01:56 am

She cautioned against sending drugs to the U.S. All mail headed to the U.S. goes through additional security by Canada Post before it leaves Canada. It is also subjected to whatever security processes are in place inside the United States. She said sending drugs from Canada to the United States is very risky.

Canadians wanting to receive drugs from international vendors do so at their own risk. Her example was Holland: a package from Holland will go through Dutch security processes before leaving the country and then is subjected to Canadian Customs prior to being put into the mail system. So there is some additional risk there but she couldn't comment on the processes that Canadian Customs has.

Most of this information is probably already known. But hopefully someone will find it useful. If you have any specific questions feel free to ask me and I'll see if I can get an answer for you...

How so? What additionally aside from standard for prescription meds like say dexedrine would need be done to ensure stealth in this circumstance? Albeit I am new and soon will get vend status, but common sense is the greater profit margin = the states, where personal insurance for drugs and the laws make it harder to get. I was looking at Uline shipping supply specialists to get some supplies, check it out they have some decent stuff for the typical vend.
Title: Re: Shipping Info for Canadian Vendors
Post by: unkn0wn_ on November 29, 2012, 04:38 am
This is a great thread. thanks cloud9ne and spedly