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Discussion => Drug safety => Topic started by: connoisseur on June 08, 2013, 09:36 am

Title: DMT sublingual or plugging
Post by: connoisseur on June 08, 2013, 09:36 am
Has anybody tried to take DMT sublingually or by plugging?
Title: Re: DMT sublingual or plugging
Post by: iLoveTaffy on June 08, 2013, 02:36 pm
I just smoke it. I believe you need an MAOI in order to take it sublingually.

And who wants to take those?
Title: Re: DMT sublingual or plugging
Post by: NoddingOff on June 08, 2013, 03:43 pm
yes you'd need an MAOI. You could make syrian rue seed tea or something if you wanted....just know that it can have bad side effects if you're on certain meds and stuff.
Title: Re: DMT sublingual or plugging
Post by: iLoveTaffy on June 08, 2013, 03:45 pm
Thank you for confirming NoddingOff. As pointless as it is, +rep.
Title: Re: DMT sublingual or plugging
Post by: Lucius Luv on June 08, 2013, 04:22 pm
i think you cant get enough to absorb under tongue for it to be effective .. you can always im dmt, which is something i plan on trying, since i really don't enjoy smoking it a ton. plugging should work, snorting it is also possible, but it burns like a motherfucker
Title: Re: DMT sublingual or plugging
Post by: iLoveTaffy on June 08, 2013, 04:28 pm
You just need an MAOI, Lucius. Parnate is one, for example.
Title: Re: DMT sublingual or plugging
Post by: BlackIris on June 08, 2013, 05:28 pm
Thank you for confirming NoddingOff. As pointless as it is, +rep.

It is not pointless to take MAOI along DMT, even smoking it. The MAOI greatly slowdown the experience and make it longer. It also increases the effect of the DMT so you need to smoke less.
Taking MAOIs is useful especially at beginning, when you are not yet accustomed to the very fast pace of DMT making it possible to integrate better with the experience.

Naturally to take DMT orally you need a MAOI, so there the question doesn't pose itself, but in the case of smoking there are benefits on using MAOIs too. Another way (even better) to do the same is using MXE with DMT.

P.S: If using a MAOI is much better to take a reversible one, as Syrian Rue or similar, since the duration is much lower and there are many less dangers. Using an irreversible MAOI for taking is not a so good idea (if you don't have to use one for some reason already).
Title: Re: DMT sublingual or plugging
Post by: iLoveTaffy on June 08, 2013, 05:32 pm
I was not referring to the MAOI. I was referring to +rep being pointless.
Title: Re: DMT sublingual or plugging
Post by: BlackIris on June 08, 2013, 05:37 pm
Ah, ok. I thought you referred to MAOIs because in the post before you said "And who wants to take those?".

Anyway it is info that can be handy in all cases.
Title: Re: DMT sublingual or plugging
Post by: iLoveTaffy on June 08, 2013, 05:49 pm
Yeah, I understand the misunderstanding. I assumed people would understand my view, but others can't see into my head, so there's that.

I meant nobody woul want to take an MAOI because they're awful drugs. I hate antidepressants.
Title: Re: DMT sublingual or plugging
Post by: BlackIris on June 08, 2013, 06:07 pm
I meant nobody woul want to take an MAOI because they're awful drugs. I hate antidepressants.

I hate them myself, but there are MAOIs that are not antidepressants. The antidepressants MAOI are the most dangerous and of longer duration, they are the irreversible ones. Things like Syrian Rue or Banisteropis Capii are much less dangerous and these are the MAOIs usually taken in combination with DMT (as in Ayahuasca). In fact it doesn't make any sense to take an irreversible MAOI unless you already have to take one for another motive.
Title: Re: DMT sublingual or plugging
Post by: Jack N Hoff on June 08, 2013, 06:11 pm
Krystal Cole says it burns the bootyhole.  I don't know if it is true because 2C-x substances do not burn the poop chute.
Title: Re: DMT sublingual or plugging
Post by: ChemCat on June 08, 2013, 06:18 pm
Quote from: Jack N Hoff
the poop chute.

 ;D

Goot Moanin Jack!!

LOL

Now i'm gonna think of you everytime i clean my hogs pens and spray the poop down the chute  LOL

Peace & Hugs to ya Jack  :)

ChemCat  O0
Title: Re: DMT sublingual or plugging
Post by: oldtoby on June 09, 2013, 12:44 am
Wish the forum search tool was a bit more sophisticated. I distinctly remember a very positive DMT plugging report but I'll be damned if I can find it now.
Title: Re: DMT sublingual or plugging
Post by: Real_Drugs on June 09, 2013, 05:27 am
Thank you for confirming NoddingOff. As pointless as it is, +rep.


Naturally to take DMT orally you need a MAOI, so there the question doesn't pose itself, but in the case of smoking there are benefits on using MAOIs too. Another way (even better) to do the same is using MXE with DMT.


Can you please elaborate on taking MXE with DMT?
Title: Re: DMT sublingual or plugging
Post by: BlackIris on June 09, 2013, 08:19 am
Can you please elaborate on taking MXE with DMT?

Taking MXE with DMT slowdown and longer the effect of DMT considerably, only that there is a substantial difference on the modus operandi of the slowdown that makes MXE much better than MAOIs for experienced users.

MAOIs slows YOU down in rapport to the trip, while MXE slows the TRIP down in rapport to you. When you are experienced with DMT and you use MAOIs it will seem like you are watching the trip in slow-mo and because of this you understand that nothing really changes (the trip "velocity" in reality is always the same); this doesn't happen with MXE, making it much more interesting for experienced users (but for beginners it's better MAOIs since in this case the problem is in your interaction with the experience instead). In this way you can make the trip longer and have full time to interact with what happens in case you need so.

Moreover MXE have not the many drawbacks of MAOIs, naturally.
Title: Re: DMT sublingual or plugging
Post by: Real_Drugs on June 17, 2013, 01:03 pm
Very interesting, thanks for the information. I'll be sure to try it soon.
What do you recommend for doses when combing the substances?
Title: Re: DMT sublingual or plugging
Post by: BlackIris on June 17, 2013, 01:49 pm
To try you can use something like:

For MXE a common/medium dose (look on Erowid about them depending on the ROA you want to use).
For DMT the usual breakthrough dose you use normally or a little lower (MXE differently from Harmala don't greatly reduce the amount of DMT you must take, with MXE it remains almost unvaried, or at last it is so IME).

Then vary accordingly with experience on what you feel is better for yourself.
Title: Re: DMT sublingual or plugging
Post by: CiscoYankerStuck on June 18, 2013, 06:47 am
What if you took MAOIs and MXE? Any potential for danger?
Title: Re: DMT sublingual or plugging
Post by: BlackIris on June 18, 2013, 07:43 am
I don't know. I never personally researched on it.

Sincerely I don't see much the point (until you don't do it just for research on what it happens).
Title: Re: DMT sublingual or plugging
Post by: RaFaeL5 on June 18, 2013, 09:34 am
I did some research on both methods...

for oral consumption I found "harmine" (that can be bought on SR from "omnis"). Decent research is necessary before using this, but it seems to be a wonderfull experience (for those who want to go down that rabbithole). there are a few posts about the combination DMT + harmine (from omnis) - I thought they were worth reading...

for anal consumption the trick seems to be to bring it up far enough, untill you've passed the first cm's (where you have pain receptors that will react to the burning - once you're past those first cm's there seems to be no negative effect) - I have seen a post about someone who tried it this way, but can't find it right now... if you search long enough for it...

Keep us posted!
Title: Re: DMT sublingual or plugging
Post by: iLoveTaffy on June 18, 2013, 11:59 am
Man, plugging DMT, I couldn't imagine...

Would it last longer? Does it last longer orally with an MAOI?

I mean, shit.... I couldn't imagine being on a DMT trip for an extended period of time.
Title: Re: DMT sublingual or plugging
Post by: Twelve_Pickles on June 18, 2013, 12:25 pm
some seriously good advice on this thread =]
Title: Re: DMT sublingual or plugging
Post by: CiscoYankerStuck on June 19, 2013, 06:28 am
LOL, plugging DMT.

I don't think I'd plug anything, but even if I did...I'd be afraid the space people would judge me for sticking their substance up my butt.

I've been very interested in the changa and pharmahuasca being sold here, not sure if I'm going to venture into MAOIs on my own or use these products being sold on the road.
Title: Re: DMT sublingual or plugging
Post by: zipstyle on June 19, 2013, 02:45 pm
Well, idk about the rest of you, but I'm not at all afraid of plugging drugs. In fact, I very much like it!
The ladies think it's hot too ;)

Anyways, I'm definitely interested in the plugged DMT experience. Did I miss that part of the discussion on the first page? :P
Title: Re: DMT sublingual or plugging
Post by: RaFaeL5 on June 19, 2013, 02:57 pm
plugging should last much longer (if I remember right from that threat it could last up to 40 minutes or so). Untill now I have never "plugged", but I've always kept it as an "open option" (  ;D ) - I think there's no shame in using it that way. Anemas (treatments by putting stuff in your ass) have been used for centuries all over the world and have had many positive effects/results. If you want to discover the world of spirits, why not use that door?

sublingual isn't an application for DMT

taking oral (with appropriate MAOi) can last for hours (depending on the combination)
Title: Re: DMT sublingual or plugging
Post by: iLoveTaffy on June 19, 2013, 05:43 pm
Is the DMT effect just as strong? I can't even imagine being on a DMT trip for 40 minutes.... or hours with an MAOI...
Title: Re: DMT sublingual or plugging
Post by: RaFaeL5 on June 19, 2013, 06:35 pm
Is the DMT effect just as strong? I can't even imagine being on a DMT trip for 40 minutes.... or hours with an MAOI...

this is not personal information, but coming from research that I've done...
the effect is not similar, but at least as intense when it lasts longer...
the long term effect of such 1 experience is probably life-lasting or at least of a very great importance.
Title: Re: DMT sublingual or plugging
Post by: iLoveTaffy on June 19, 2013, 08:51 pm
It could turn out to be so terrifying though. My last DMT experience STILL has my jimmies shaking.

And for such an extended period of time? My gosh....
Title: Re: DMT sublingual or plugging
Post by: RaFaeL5 on June 20, 2013, 11:54 am
It could turn out to be so terrifying though. My last DMT experience STILL has my jimmies shaking.

And for such an extended period of time? My gosh....

It's almost certain that you'll have "dark passages" during the experience,
but to my opinion that shouldn't be a reason to avoid the experience.
You have to know how to accept those passages and from there on the experience will almost certainly turn back to the lighter phases...and if not you should just remember that a good preparation and a solid respect towards the product guarantee you a lot of safety, even in dark times...
Title: Re: DMT sublingual or plugging
Post by: iLoveTaffy on June 20, 2013, 06:51 pm
Yeah, I just don't think I'd want to go through it for that period of time. I like to use DMT from time to time, but I wouldn't like a DMT trip THAT long. No way.

I'll stick to smoking it, haha.
Title: Re: DMT sublingual or plugging
Post by: oldtoby on June 24, 2013, 05:41 am
It could turn out to be so terrifying though. My last DMT experience STILL has my jimmies shaking.

And for such an extended period of time? My gosh....

It's almost certain that you'll have "dark passages" during the experience,
but to my opinion that shouldn't be a reason to avoid the experience.
You have to know how to accept those passages and from there on the experience will almost certainly turn back to the lighter phases...and if not you should just remember that a good preparation and a solid respect towards the product guarantee you a lot of safety, even in dark times...

Jesus. I've put myself through some ordeals and been grateful for the experience but this I don't even
Title: Re: DMT sublingual or plugging
Post by: DMtryptamine285 on June 24, 2013, 05:49 am
To boof or not to boof.... that is the question.

While I have never tried it personally. There are reports of people that have, and theoretically it should work quite well, no MAOI needed.
Title: Re: DMT sublingual or plugging
Post by: zipstyle on June 24, 2013, 07:16 am
DMT arriving soon...definitely plugging it. Does anyone have suggestions?
Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: DMT sublingual or plugging
Post by: CiscoYankerStuck on June 24, 2013, 07:36 am
No suggestion, but....

Please let me know how the DMT people feel about sticking DMT up your butt, if they care.
Title: Re: DMT sublingual or plugging
Post by: zipstyle on June 24, 2013, 08:19 am
No suggestion, but....

Please let me know how the DMT people feel about sticking DMT up your butt, if they care.

Lol! Well I'm doing some research and I'm having trouble finding methodology for this ROA.
We'll see what I can dig up :)
Title: Re: DMT sublingual or plugging
Post by: RaFaeL5 on June 24, 2013, 09:35 am
No suggestion, but....

Please let me know how the DMT people feel about sticking DMT up your butt, if they care.

Lol! Well I'm doing some research and I'm having trouble finding methodology for this ROA.
We'll see what I can dig up :)

As said before, this is not "first hand information", but I've done quite some research about it also... I'm definitely gone try it some day, but right now I have too much psychedelics and too little time so...

but, the biggest ! about plugging DMT is: put it "deep" enough.
The best method seemed to be to put the amount of DMT you want to plug (probably between 30 and 50mg) in some butter and make a little ball from it, then you have to plug it DEEP enough! The first centimeter of your anus are filled with nerves, you don't want the DMT to dilute from the butter in that zone - you want it past that zone, where you will not have a burning sensation or any other discomfort. I've read that you should go more than half your finger deep, but that'll probably depend on how long your finger is...

Anyway,
do keep us posted about the experience (how long, how intense, problems, ...).
Title: Re: DMT sublingual or plugging
Post by: zipstyle on June 28, 2013, 02:49 am
No suggestion, but....

Please let me know how the DMT people feel about sticking DMT up your butt, if they care.

Lol! Well I'm doing some research and I'm having trouble finding methodology for this ROA.
We'll see what I can dig up :)

As said before, this is not "first hand information", but I've done quite some research about it also... I'm definitely gone try it some day, but right now I have too much psychedelics and too little time so...

but, the biggest ! about plugging DMT is: put it "deep" enough.
The best method seemed to be to put the amount of DMT you want to plug (probably between 30 and 50mg) in some butter and make a little ball from it, then you have to plug it DEEP enough! The first centimeter of your anus are filled with nerves, you don't want the DMT to dilute from the butter in that zone - you want it past that zone, where you will not have a burning sensation or any other discomfort. I've read that you should go more than half your finger deep, but that'll probably depend on how long your finger is...

Anyway,
do keep us posted about the experience (how long, how intense, problems, ...).

Thanks for the info!
So why butter? I have been pondering this for some time.

But I am back with my First Trial Report:

Earlier this week, I got a 250 mg sample from JeffBobb (http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/user/b837eeb5d4) for his N,N DMT crystalline powder. The package arrived quickly, and the stealth was legit. If you are considering DMT vendors, I would highly recommend this one for the spice. I can say, after my First Trial, that this is very potent and also very close to pure (I have used DMT on several other occasions from a variety of sources).

I decided to start with basics, since there is such little information on the internet (darknet or clearnet) about rectal administration of DMT.

I put somewhere between 15-20 mg of DMT powder into a small bottle cap and added 1.5 ml of water.
DMT did not fully dissolve, but it did go into suspension so that I could draw it all up into a liquid syringe (used for infant medication admin.)
I put the syringe pretty far into my anus and delivered the DMT.
Then I laid down on my stomach for approximately 5 minutes. During those 5 minutes, I felt tingling spreading from my anus out to my lower body and also up towards my torso. You know, the kind of tingling usually accompanied by goosebumps. While this was happening, I was also experiencing a growing burning feeling in my anus. Also a very strong urge to defecate, even though I'd already emptied my bowels before starting the experiment. After 5 minutes, I couldn't wait anymore. The urge to poop and the burning had become basically unbearable.
After expelling whatever else my body was able to push out, I sighed, thinking the experiment was over and that I'd need to do another trial. But suddenly, I felt that familiar feeling in my teeth that I get when I do DMT (I don't know if other people get this or not). It's the sensation that my teeth are vibrating at a specific frequency or something, and then that feeling kind of spreads to the rest of my body. Either way, I realized the experiment was not over YET. :)
So I wiped my ass (which was feeling considerably better after) and laid back down on my bed.
The DMT comeup feeling continued to grow for about 2-3 minutes.
With my eyes closed, I noticed that the darkness behind my eyelids was growing steadily brighter (and my room was mostly dark). I could almost feel the DMT moving through my veins and into my brain like small waves on the beach as the tide is going up. That steady, rhythmic increasing. However, this feeling faded after about 4 minutes and I was left with a peaceful mindstate.
End Report
~.~.~

Thoughts: I think I need to increase the dose to somewhere between 30-50 mg and possibly use a different substance to dissolve the DMT in. I'm guessing butter was suggested because DMT dissolves easily in butter? Will have to research that property a bit more. I can say that rectal administration is most definitely a reasonable ROA, but the technique needs to be fine-tuned. I'm glad I tried this before snorting it, that's for sure. I really enjoyed the gradual comeup vs the usual shot-out-of-a-psychedelic-cannon feeling one gets from smoking the DMT. I think this will be my ROA of choice once I understand what I need in order to achieve a breakthrough dose. This ROA didn't lose any of the feelings of sanctity that smoked DMT affords. I felt like I was on my way to be in a very "holy" kind of state and that I would be in touch with Teachers soon.

As a (funny) side note: I think I may have at least successfully micro-dosed DMT! :P
Title: Re: DMT sublingual or plugging
Post by: connoisseur on June 28, 2013, 09:11 am
RaFaeL5, could you point me to some links please.

Is the DMT effect just as strong? I can't even imagine being on a DMT trip for 40 minutes.... or hours with an MAOI...

this is not personal information, but coming from research that I've done...
the effect is not similar, but at least as intense when it lasts longer...
the long term effect of such 1 experience is probably life-lasting or at least of a very great importance.
Title: Re: DMT sublingual or plugging
Post by: joywind on June 28, 2013, 10:06 am
DMT arriving soon...definitely plugging it. Does anyone have suggestions?
Thanks in advance!
You should stick it up your butt.

Freddie Mercury would be proud!
Title: Re: DMT sublingual or plugging
Post by: RaFaeL5 on June 28, 2013, 10:57 am
RaFaeL5, could you point me to some links please.

Is the DMT effect just as strong? I can't even imagine being on a DMT trip for 40 minutes.... or hours with an MAOI...

this is not personal information, but coming from research that I've done...
the effect is not similar, but at least as intense when it lasts longer...
the long term effect of such 1 experience is probably life-lasting or at least of a very great importance.

It was here somewhere on the forum...
but I can't remember where (otherwise I would have shared the info/link allready)...
maybe, if you go threw all of my posts you'll find it; good luck with that!
Title: Re: DMT sublingual or plugging
Post by: RaFaeL5 on June 28, 2013, 10:59 am
@Zipstyle: +1 for you for micro-dosing DMT!!!  ;D
Title: Re: DMT sublingual or plugging
Post by: shizzlefitz on July 03, 2013, 05:05 am
I'm not 100% sure but I don't see how rectal is any different than sublingual. DMT crosses your mucous membrane either way and it's metabolized as fast as it gets through... unless you have MAOI in your system.