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Discussion => Security => Topic started by: RickyRango on March 19, 2012, 10:39 pm
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I've been thinking about my security recently, and I want your guys input. Say worst case scenario, I get raided by the honkers. Is it worth it trying to flush or destroy whatever contraband I have at the time? Will it actually help me legally or just hurt me?
Any insight or experience on this subject will be appreciated. 8)
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You wont have time to do anything if the raid team is even the least bit competent. People have noidea how a raid goes down, by the time you'll realize your being raided you'll have a gun in your face.
Flushing down a toliet rarely works, if its heavy it'll just end up stuck and they can/will flush it out. Plus if they dont find it they are going to be pissed off and sure you flushed it and really make sure they do an extra thorough job.
Best advice I can give is keep your stash off location if you expect you are going to be raided.
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The safest thing is to not have anything. Obviously, it'd be in your best interest to avoid being raided, too.
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I think if they have enough info on you to raid your place, your pretty much fucked anyways. Flushing it down the toilet is for Hollywood. Won't work even if you had a minute, which you won't.
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keep most of the stuff safely off-site just incase, like digging down some nice place in water/airtight box in the woods,underwater or something.
for some indoors, if you can make a secret room high up like in the roof or something where dogs cant sniff and that would be very hard to find, just like moving some planks and taking away whatever is in there then putting back matching planks so noone can see it, just some small hidden space somewhere..
Even better if you have ur own house get a trusted carpenter to make a bigger hidden compartment some nice place.
they never found my hidden stash=P
when buying small amounts on street i also used a jacket i had made small incision on top that u couldnt easily see and stuffed whatever tightly packed thru this hole and down near a button or something so it wasnt easily noticed tho hard to get out again. passed some checks with this too^^
a bit inconvenient to get to it every time, but I think its worth it and much safer with some extra precautions like that, even tho its never 100%.. workd for me most of the time and Ill continue trying to hide it well manually when I can when I have it indoors anyway
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Stick it up your bum, works a treat for anything less than a QP.
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Stick it up your bum, works a treat for anything less than a QP.
Is that how you got your user name? ;D
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Funnily enough it is.
Whenever I was out with my mates and we saw the filth coming every body would pass their gear to me and I would stash it up my arse for them. It got us out of many dodgy situations I can tell you!
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Funnily enough it is.
Whenever I was out with my mates and we saw the filth coming every body would pass their gear to me and I would stash it up my arse for them. It got us out of many dodgy situations I can tell you!
Damn...I wish I had a friend as decent as you. :'(
Anyways, like everyone else, we can all agree that it's best if you keep your stash elsewhere.
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Ooh! Just leave your entire stash hidden in the toilet, ready to flush at a moments notice! Unfortunately in a raid you don't really have a moment's notice, so you'd have to live in the bathroom. :o Wouldn't that be. . .crappy? Oh alright, I know! I'm just awful, too bad I don't. . .give a shit! Okay I'm done, all these pun's are leaving me feeling. . .pooped! ;D
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Cache :D
I don't have anything at home. They can raid me all they want.
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I have loads of stuff at my house, they can try and find it all they want!!!
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We agree "off-site" storage is the safest bet. Store any scales, paraphernalia, flash drives, ect, basically 'anything' incriminating at that location.
Perhaps a cheap art studio or something similar? Opened with a fake, photo-shopped, ID. Just be extra sure you are never followed to your storage location. Circle the block a few times, ect.
That's our advice. :)
Peace
The Flipside Crew
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As with all advice here, it depends on where you live. Different places have different rules, so on and so forth.
BUT - in general for almost everywhere I know of, if they get to the point of raiding you, you are already pretty fucked. If they can raid your place, they have either obtained or found a loophole around whatever permissions and protections that would otherwise keep them out.
You could try flushing it, tossing it out the window, chucking it into an already-lit fireplace and so on, but if they are raiding you they are probably already anticipating that and have plans to intercept such things. As for shoving it up your ass or swallowing it, if they have permission (warrant or whatever local thing) to break into your house and look for drugs, said permission likely covers any small area capable of containing one dose of drugs. With drugs being as small as they are, that pretty much means anything. Including your ass.
In my opinion, you are talking about a situation where you are already very, very fucked. Your best bet is to A) be very polite, sit where they tell you, call them "sir/ma'am," keep your hands visible, sit where they tell you and so on. No sarcasm, no namecalling, etc. Be as nice as possible and try really really hard not to piss them off.
B) Politely, decline to comment about anything without a lawyer. If you are not in a country that has the legal right to keep your mouth shut, well, keep your mouth shut anyway. Don't be rude, but be very firm. "I'm terribly sorry, officer, but I really won't talk about this without a lawyer."
C) When in doubt, remember rule B.
D) If these other rules don't work, remember rule B anyway.
E) If rule B doesn't work, it's because you forgot rule B. So go back to rule B.
If they kick your door down, they are gonna find your stuff. Your own words, however, are absolutely going to be more valuable to the prosecution.
A good tip is to clean up and go to your local courthouse with the name of some guy you know got busted about 4 years ago. Go to the records office, and ask to see his court file. They will probably have it and in most countries it's a public record. Read it, see what that guy did wrong and learn from it. Then do that for a dozen other convicts. And post what you learn on the forums so other people can be safe too.
:)
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You guys not familiar with the Wire? Not trying to be obnoxious but do you really think government agencies are going to spend resources 'guessing' stuff is there?
If they are raiding you they know you have stuff there, having an off site location won't help as they really are dedicated about catching you then they know those places as well.
The damage is done in the stages that come before and even more likely someone informed them. So i would start take my precautions at that stage. Don't tell/show anyone!
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You guys not familiar with the Wire? Not trying to be obnoxious but do you really think government agencies are going to spend resources 'guessing' stuff is there?
If they are raiding you they know you have stuff there, having an off site location won't help as they really are dedicated about catching you then they know those places as well.
The damage is done in the stages that come before and even more likely someone informed them. So i would start take my precautions at that stage. Don't tell/show anyone!
That's not strictly true is it? Just because they raid a house doesn't mean they've been watching you for days/weeks, it takes a lot of resources to do that. I thought the biggest risk of being raided was when receiving packages which taking into consideration the nature of this forum is pretty common.
Now, I want to start hiding my stash somewhere but I can't find a good place. Does anyone have any ideas? I can't think of a place that is, easily accessible, deserted, not too far, no risk of sudden buildings/flooding/etc.
Digging is a pain, most places will always have the chance of people being nearby and if it's not completely safe I'll be paranoid that someone finds it. I just can't think of a good place, the forest is good but there's always a risk of someone walking their dog sees you digging and suspects something and digging in a forest is usually impossible as the ground is way too hard. So maybe just hiding it in the home somewhere really good? Yes I can think of a few places I could hide it where it probably wouldn't be found, although if they bring a dog it's over anyway. Then I had the idea of sacrificing a small amount of substance and just rubbing it EVERYWHERE and by everywhere I mean everywhere so the dog will signal that it smells something the whole time. But at the same time, doing that would just make them search even more until they find something.
Anyone have any good ideas? :)
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Pelican boxes are extremely good for stashes, airtight, watertight, crush proof and available in a variety of small sizes. You can put what ever you want to stash in one of these and just hide it outside somewhere and it will never be found AND be in perfect condition when you recover it.
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A friend of ours personally lives surrounded by miles and miles of pure forest. She stores all her drugs, flash drives, scales, ect, in the rocky mountains surrounding her. Using a fake "rock" stash.
A search warrant "normally" only covers a specific address, and she has nothing a K9-unit could "hit" on anyways if they chose to (most likely illegally) search for her stash with their dogs in the mountains surrounding her.
She uses night vision goggles to check, before, in the middle of the night, retrieving "anything" incriminating she may want at any given time.
This tactic only works if you live in a remote location obviously, but pretty sweet idea we feel, short of "off-site" storage.
Especially if you are concerned about any "long term" stake out's. Any such attempts/investigations 'could' theoretically be spotted using night vision goggles and daylight visual recon.
Peace
The Flipside Crew
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Elaborate, but no doubt effective!
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If you have spotted that you will be raided then flush all of your shit. They will probably still find traces on surfaces etc... but at least you will have flushed the bulk and not go to prison.
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Speaking of being busted with "small traces", when I was 16, after our camp was illegally raided at a festival, an officer illegally retrieved a small envelope from my pocket.
Upon opening it directly in front of me, I immedietly blew it in his face, lol :)
It took them 45 minutes to get me in handcuffs, but I was let out hours later with a simple citation for 0.01 grams of methamphetamine, lol. :)
I couldn't walk for a few days after from the beating I took, but it was well worth the effort to avoid prosecution IMO.
A hint perhaps? ;)
Peace
The Flipside Crew
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A friend of mine was on a tour bus going from Holland into France. They got boarded by French police with a dog. My friend was at the back of the bus holding about an oz of good bud that even a human could sniff out. He had no time to do anything but put it under his jacket which was sitting on the seat . While he was bitchen and crying about loosing his passport in a despeate attempt to distract attention from the search the dog was being led all over the seats around his jacket and the dog was even made to climb on the seat on top of his jacket to sniff higher and never indicating to the police that the stash of weed or the puddle of pee by my friends feet. Now either that dog was dutch and working undercover or maybe he had a cold that day. I believe there was an overload of weed scent all thru that bus. I guess the moral of this story is dogs arent perfect and there must ways to fool them.
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I also had a 'bus' experience in europe. Had a substantional amount of weed (which made me a LOT of friends later :)). Bus got checked somewhere along the former iron curtain border but luckily the dogs stayed outside. Just threw my stash a few seats in front. If they would've found it there was no way they couldve known it was mine.
Later though i was smoking outside some bar in a small village with my new friends hehe. Suddenly there was a cop in front of me, ofcourse he spotted the joint but his main concern where my travelling buddies who were drunk beyond imagination and causing a lot of trouble.
Also another dog story, i used to fly a lot inside europe. And sometime you see this smaller dogs inside the airport which you won't immediately link to drugdogs. But somehow i always got the feeling they were indeed that. Undercover dogs ;)
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Then I had the idea of sacrificing a small amount of substance and just rubbing it EVERYWHERE and by everywhere I mean everywhere so the dog will signal that it smells something the whole time.
i use to do this when i was selling, just in case. i only ever kept percy in the house, which was coke and pot mainly, the odd E here and there, but every time i rolled a joint the bit's left over on the table only got clumsily cleaned up, so there was probably a little bit of skunk/hash that got wiped on the floor. after a few months of this there was probably a good eighth or so of puff intertwined in the carpet, so after a year or so you could probably just roll the carpet up and smoke that
before anyone says it - yes i used to vacuum, often as well, i hate living anywhere that isn't clean, but even after vacuuming it's pretty much guaranteed there's still puff particles left all over the place. obviously weren't so liberal with the cocaine, but there were odd spillages on occasion to add to the nice aroma for the dogs. never did get raided, but i thought if i did the dogs would go nuts because they'd be able to smell it everywhere
my sales stash i used to pay someone to look after for me, but kept it round theirs in a locked box so they couldn't get tempted to 'borrow' bits
Speaking of being busted with "small traces", when I was 16, after our camp was illegally raided at a festival, an officer illegally retrieved a small envelope from my pocket.
Upon opening it directly in front of me, I immedietly blew it in his face, lol :)
It took them 45 minutes to get me in handcuffs, but I was let out hours later with a simple citation for 0.01 grams of methamphetamine, lol. :)
love this idea
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:D
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In my country we often carpet smoking, it is the best height you can get. The mixture of drugs is simply the finest!
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Keep all digital records on an encrypted flash drive and keep it somewhere hidden. If you're a vendor I would have a close friend rent a storage room and keep stuff hidden in there. From personal experience, as soon as you realize you're being raided, you're being thrown to the ground by a viking the size of a goddamn mountain.
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I keep datas in my wife vagine. I is like sleeve of wizard and can be filled with many things hiding. Like one kilo hash was fitted there last year after Amsterdam trip!
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A fireplace or similar furnace with the local controls disabled so guests can't turn it on and a remote ignition. Make sure the remote ignition requires a deliberate action and is always on hand, on your keychain, an app on your phone, can be activated by a quick dial from a phone, or whatever better you can think of for your life style. A 5-10 second ignition sequence should allow for enough complication to avoid accidental destruction and short enough to pull off by the time your face is smashed into the floor. There is still the possibility they discover your destruction and method and charge you for that but the odds are much slimmer and the charges almost certainly far less sever.
You'll also need to be sure the stash isn't a visible anomaly within the burner and is encased in fast burning material.
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This really only would work depending on your situation but,
Make it look like you're just a pot dealer
Keep weed, scale, bags not very well hidden at all. Also, keep a vacuum sealer and vacuum rolls with this.
In another separate area, keep a nice stash of junk food- a nice mix including bags of chips. Stash your drugs in one of the snack bags, and seal it back up with the vacuum sealer. Keep a trash can nearby with some empty snack packaging.
So hard to say what to do with your stash. Would really depend on your situation as a whole.
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Honestly, your workplace (if it's different than home) is not a bad place. Some increased risk maybe, but more deny-ability
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Honestly, your workplace (if it's different than home) is not a bad place. Some increased risk maybe, but more deny-ability
Sorry but this is just plain stupid. If you're compromised you likely lose your job immediately. If you're compromised in home with smaller quantaties you might walk / get of easy and in that case your employer doesnt have to be informed.
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Honestly, your workplace (if it's different than home) is not a bad place. Some increased risk maybe, but more deny-ability
Sorry but this is just plain stupid. If you're compromised you likely lose your job immediately. If you're compromised in home with smaller quantaties you might walk / get of easy and in that case your employer doesnt have to be informed.
I think this is brilliant incompared to the poster above him who suggested to make it look like your a pot dealer.
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Honestly, your workplace (if it's different than home) is not a bad place. Some increased risk maybe, but more deny-ability
Sorry but this is just plain stupid. If you're compromised you likely lose your job immediately. If you're compromised in home with smaller quantaties you might walk / get of easy and in that case your employer doesnt have to be informed.
I think this is brilliant incompared to the poster above him who suggested to make it look like your a pot dealer.
Worked for my first arrest. Only caught cannabis charges vs. cannabis charges + cocaine charge + 3 controlled substance charges.
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You guys realize this thread has become a "how to" for LE writing and serving warrants, right? They now know all sorts of stuff to list in warrants (they have to list specific locations they think drugs would be in, but drugs are small so the "specific place" can be an entire house lot ... and the trees around it if they find NVGs since that is listed earlier in this thread).
This is great information for all of us to have, but I promise you LE will find it just as useful.
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You guys realize this thread has become a "how to" for LE writing and serving warrants, right? They now know all sorts of stuff to list in warrants (they have to list specific locations they think drugs would be in, but drugs are small so the "specific place" can be an entire house lot ... and the trees around it if they find NVGs since that is listed earlier in this thread).
This is great information for all of us to have, but I promise you LE will find it just as useful.
I store 100% of my gear up inside the rectal and vaginal cavities of local street vagrants.
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I would say the most common choice would be to flush it down the toilet but I would not have to do this as I only have like 1oz maximum and I don't have suspicious things like scales, baggies etc as if you have scales and baggies / aluminium foil with the weed then it's going to look like your dealing.