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Discussion => Drug safety => Topic started by: Beaches on July 17, 2013, 05:05 pm

Title: LSD and HPPD
Post by: Beaches on July 17, 2013, 05:05 pm
I have not tried LSD yet but I am very curious. I was going to buy some but the vendor is out of stock at the moment. While I was reading more about it I came across something called HPPD. In short, this is like visuals remaining long after the trip has finished, except you know they aren't reality. I read severe cases where you must visit a doctor occur only 1%-5% of the time in first time users (usually people prone to it in their genetics or something) but there are suspected many more cases where the person does not seek help. I also read about an experiment involving regular people, LSD users, and people who used LSD and have HPPD and there are certain vision aspects that worsen down the line. Such as the ability to tell if a light is flickering or constant (like a strobe light). Regular people could tell it was still flickering while at a very high speed, LSD users in the middle, and HPPD patients the worst. LSD is supposedly not harmful physically unless you do something to yourself while tripping so what I'm trying to determine is why the LSD users would be any less than the regular people. Potential damage to eyesight plus possibility of HPPD (which would drive me absolutely insane) are making me have reserves about trying LSD despite the fact that I'm still very curious. Is there any real risk of developing long lasting changes like these?
Title: Re: LSD and HPPD
Post by: Operation Shulgin on July 18, 2013, 01:53 am
HPPD is always a risk with psychedelics, if you don't want HPPD, then it's simple. Don't take psychedelics.

~O.S.
Title: Re: LSD and HPPD
Post by: Rastaman Vibration on July 18, 2013, 07:02 am
I have HPPD from taking 300+ LSD trips. It didn't happen suddenly, but rather gradually and slowly. I ignored many warning signs my body was sending me to end up with this condition.

I have heard of some people developing HPPD from a single trip, so it is possible. However, its way more common in heavy users.

Here's a good resource on HPPD:
www.hppdonline.com (clearnet, duh)

Again, as O.S. said above, the only sure fire way to avoid HPPD is to not take psychedelics.

On a positive note, I don't mind the visual disturbances of the HPPD at all. I find them rather enjoyable most of the time, and I don't regret taking all that acid. In fact I still take it ;)
Title: Re: LSD and HPPD
Post by: hailsatan123123 on July 18, 2013, 09:31 am
I recall having visuals few days after a very intense trip! It was actually pretty cool i have to admit like 'free trippin'  lol. But after a week or so it was over :)
Title: Re: LSD and HPPD
Post by: slirp on July 18, 2013, 12:47 pm
1%-5% of first time users must visit a doctor?  That can't be right.

Many millions of people have taken LSD and yet hardly anyone needs to see a doctor after.

That's interesting that HPPD users were the worst at noticing flickering the least.  I've taken psychedelics a couple of dozen times and feel like I now sometimes notice flicking that isn't really there, but that's the opposite effect.

I noticed visual disturbances long before ever taking a psychedelic though.

If you're paranoid then don't use LSD.  Well worth the risk to me though.
Title: Re: LSD and HPPD
Post by: Beaches on July 18, 2013, 08:42 pm
Alright thanks for the replies guys, I think it's not something I'm too worried about, as long as I'm still able to like read and function it doesn't matter.
Title: Re: LSD and HPPD
Post by: Operation Shulgin on July 18, 2013, 08:56 pm
Alright thanks for the replies guys, I think it's not something I'm too worried about, as long as I'm still able to like read and function it doesn't matter.

Reading with HPPD will keep you from concentrating. If you are not willing to risk all of this, just don't do it.

There is no way to know if you get HPPD after one weekend binge or after 50 times, there is no cure for it. So if you fuck your brain up, you are fucked for the rest of your life.
Title: Re: LSD and HPPD
Post by: Beaches on July 19, 2013, 12:48 am

Reading with HPPD will keep you from concentrating. If you are not willing to risk all of this, just don't do it.

There is no way to know if you get HPPD after one weekend binge or after 50 times, there is no cure for it. So if you fuck your brain up, you are fucked for the rest of your life.

You say it's fucked for life, but I mean, doesn't it usually go away, be it after a week or a decade, it's not always gonna be there from what I read
Title: Re: LSD and HPPD
Post by: slirp on July 19, 2013, 06:40 am
I think the risk of significant long-term problems from occasional LSD use is extremely low but there isn't any way to prove it either way.
Title: Re: LSD and HPPD
Post by: joywind on July 19, 2013, 06:46 am
I have it, and in my case at least, it doesn't really bother me. I think my acid trips were worth the risk.
Title: Re: LSD and HPPD
Post by: Rastaman Vibration on July 19, 2013, 06:48 am

Reading with HPPD will keep you from concentrating. If you are not willing to risk all of this, just don't do it.

There is no way to know if you get HPPD after one weekend binge or after 50 times, there is no cure for it. So if you fuck your brain up, you are fucked for the rest of your life.

You say it's fucked for life, but I mean, doesn't it usually go away, be it after a week or a decade, it's not always gonna be there from what I read

HPPD is permanent. If the symptoms go away, then what you had was residuals from the trip, not HPPD.

Regarding reading - sometimes I find reading to be difficult due to HPPD. Sometimes I'm trying to read and the words on the page will just look like alphabet soup. Other times it'll appear as if random lines have been highlighted in neon yellow or orange. I can usually look away and make it stop, but sometimes I just have to stop reading. It can be distracting for sure.

Again, its not all bad. Sometimes when I'm bored I can just conjure up some visuals and trip out staring at the carpet. Wheeeee! ;D

But if you don't want to risk developing HPPD, just don't take LSD.
Title: Re: LSD and HPPD
Post by: slirp on July 19, 2013, 08:43 pm
I've had weird visuals all my life.
Title: Re: LSD and HPPD
Post by: Beaches on July 19, 2013, 10:19 pm
I've had weird visuals all my life.

That's weird, like if I look for it I can see the purple "snow" on surfaces or squiggly target looking things in the sky, and I've never done any psychedelics. That's part of the reason I'm paranoid I'm genetically prone to HPPD or some shit. Makes me wonder if almost everybody can see that stuff or if its just some people. Also another question to pose. Since shrooms don't really cause hallucinations a lot at lower to middle doses, would it be likely to develop it from that or at least get a taste so you can test the waters?
Title: Re: LSD and HPPD
Post by: hailsatan123123 on July 19, 2013, 11:51 pm
usually lsd will awaken a pre mental disorder that existed in your body usually transfer through genetics and they will come up sooner or later regardless of the drug it self.

Many people have taken acid and on the right proportion is totally safe drug in my opinion.
Title: Re: LSD and HPPD
Post by: slirp on July 20, 2013, 12:36 am
I've had weird visuals all my life.

That's weird, like if I look for it I can see the purple "snow" on surfaces or squiggly target looking things in the sky, and I've never done any psychedelics. That's part of the reason I'm paranoid I'm genetically prone to HPPD or some shit. Makes me wonder if almost everybody can see that stuff or if its just some people. Also another question to pose. Since shrooms don't really cause hallucinations a lot at lower to middle doses, would it be likely to develop it from that or at least get a taste so you can test the waters?

I think we just don't definitively know the answers to these questions.  Personally, I've noticed repeating patterns throughout life similar to fractals.  After using psychedelics if I concentrate I can sometimes see flickering or other subtle things but I think it is that I've opened up doors in my mind.  I kind of like it in a way.

I hadn't ever heard of HPPD before I came to SR.  Millions of people have used LSD and yet only the serious drug users even know about HPPD.  I think the placebo effect is strong and also that after psychedelics people just notice disturbances easier.  That isn't to say that some people don't have serious problems but if like 4% of first-time LSD users (or even .1%) got hppd then it seems like we'd hear so much more about it.  I really don't know though.  I do know I'm very glad I've used LSD multiple times.