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Title: Penis Envy?! (P. cubensis mushrooms) products, cultures, consultation-INCENTIVES
Post by: B00MzR00M on October 13, 2012, 06:57 am
Greetings,

     We are a a group that has access to VERY high quality (see dosing info below) psilocybin mushrooms and psilocybin products; we are trying to get a feel for the demand of these items:
-Dehydrated mushrooms (species info below),
-dehydrated mushroom powder (dosing info below),
-psilocybin tincture (dosing info below),
-(eventually) psilocybin crystals,
-isolate cultures
-clone cultures
-spores
-consultation: we will walk you step-by-step to finished product!

     Ok so let's get the fun stuff out of the way first ;). As for the psilocybin crystals, we are currently experimenting with ways to further crystallize the psilocybin/alcohol tincture. We are getting very close to a product we believe would maintain a very popular reputation. We believe that this is the best way to receive psilocybin in this mail order atmosphere since it is lightweight and packs such a large punch in such small spaces. We will offer this very soon but aren't quite ready yet, as we want to give a very positive first impression. However, we believe you will be quite happy with the rest of our lineup :).


--PRICES ARE ESTIMATES, MAY VARY SLIGHTLY IF WE OPEN UP, SHIPPING INCLUDED--
 Dehyrdrated Mushrooms- 3.5g $52.50, 7g $100.50, 14g $180.50, 28g $295.50, 56g $465.50, 112g $750.50, 224g $1300.50, 448g $2300.50
     As for the mushrooms themselves, they are of the Genus and species- Psilocybe cubensis, and of the variety Penis Envy. If you know much about mushroom culture, you know that for the most part- P. cubensis ("cubes") are, for the most part, potency-wise, one in the same from variety to variety. However, you will also know that the Penis Envy variety is a stand out in more aspects than just potency. Penis Envies are much more potent, much more dense, and much larger than all other cubensis varieties.
     Nine times out of ten, the familiar shroom user (who's yet to try Penis Envies) who consumes his typical 3.5g of P. cubensis and is fine has a very intense ride after eating 3.5g of Penis Envies. So, the dose for these mushrooms? 1.5-2.0g is sufficient for 90% of the responsible shroom user. Granted, if you eat them everyday your tolerance will skyrocket! Shrooms are not meant to be eaten frequently! But, if you were to eat them every weekend for the rest of your life, the 1.5-2g would never get boring.
     We are not trying to disrespect any respected shroom vendors, but we do believe that our mushrooms are of superior potency when compared to a large majority of the market.

 Shroom Tincture- various volumes with extractions from 28g ($299), 56g ($569), 112g ($999), 224g ($1899), 448g ($3399)
     BEST WAY TO GET LARGEST AMOUNT SHIPPED INCONSPICUOUSLY! This takes a process to produce, so we will only offer larger quantities.
     Our Shroom Tincture is derived from our Penis Envy Dehydrated Mushrooms. Basically, all shroom tinctures are produced by doing an alcohol extraction of the psilocybin in the dehyrdated mushrooms.
     Dose depends on two things- quality of mushrooms and solute:solvent ratios. To provide a consistent product, we use culture isolates clones as well as maintain a consistent psilocybin-to- liquid-volume ratio. We will post more specifics in listing if we find there is sufficient demand :).
     *BEWARE*- Psilocybin is moderately unstable chemical and degrades quickly! ALL TINCTURES SHOULD BE KEPT REFRIGERATED! DO NOT ORDER TINCTURES FROM VENDORS WHO MAKE LARGE BATCHES AND LET THEM SIT, YOU WILL BE GETTING PRODUCT THAT IS LESS POTENT! We make all of our tinctures to order!

  Dehydrated Mushroom Powder- 3.5g $52.50, 7g $100.50, 14g $180.50, 28g $295.50, 56g $465.50, 112g $750.50, 224g $1300.50, 448g $2300.50
     Simply put, this is our Penis Envy Dehydrated Mushrooms ground into a fine powder. This makes shipping safer and easier, but we can understand the desire to receive mushrooms that are still in-tact. Trust us, we feel that most of our mushrooms are too beautiful to grind up because we want everyone to see how much different they are than the other cubes :).
     *BEWARE*- Ill-mannered vendors are sometimes tempted to use "bottom of the barrel" mushrooms with which to produce their powder! This is not at all good for the customers because the substrate used on which to grow the mushrooms (manure, straw, grains, among other things...) finds its way into their product! We make the powdered mushrooms to order so we pick them right out of the same bags from which our whole mushrooms come. We go to great lengths to ensure the cleanliness of our product!

  Cultures+ Spores- Super Stable Cultures for $90/ 2- 10 mL syringes, $500/ 1- 500mL jar, $40/ 1- spore print, $30/ 1- 10 mL spore syringe
     We have a feeling some people will want to grow this variety of mushrooms once they experience them so we figured what better way than to jump right in with a proven batch of genetics. Developed cultures provide MUCH GREATER RETURNS than starting from spores alone! We have many established lines that we work with constantly to nullify senescence.
     We will offer two-packs of 10 mL syringes of our isolates and clones (each will be specified on the listings, we will NOT sell clones as ISOLATES! BE AWARE OF THIS!), and we will offer 500 mL (1 QT) jars of our cultures.
     We will also offer spore prints for $40 and syringes for $30, these are inferior as far as fruiting and potency is concerned but are great if you want to do your own strain work :)!2
 
  Consultation Services- COMPLETE START-TO-FINISH Consultation $2000, smaller services' prices vary greatly
     We would also be happy to help you grow your own mushrooms! We can walk you step-by-step through the entire process of getting a successful grow operation running IN THE QUICKEST TIME POSSIBLE. We do not know if other vendors provide such services, but we believe we can get you the largest yield in the quickest time!
     We will offer a guaranteed Consultation Package for $2000 in which we will give you expert tutoring on exactly what to do do. We will provide you with a series of TEKs and will also grant question-answer sessions regarding the TEKs as well as give midstream coaching so you do not fail at any of the steps. WE WILL NOT STOP COACHING UNTIL YOU HAVE MUSHROOMS! NOTE- You will also need an additional $750-$1500, possibly more depending on what you are intending to do, to acquire the supplies necessary to follow the TEKs we provide.
     If you are on a tight budget, we can give you pointers on how to save money without impacting yield. If you have money to spend, we can tell you what to do to get the best results possible. We can to simple troubleshoots for small fees if you are having contamination issues or even poor yields.
     We understand $2000 isn't easy to come by, but with MOST people, we can guarantee them a crop of the best P. cubensis mushrooms in 4 months! We eliminate AT LEAST 2 YEARS worth of trial and error and hand expert know-how to you on a silver platter in a way that is FOOL-PROOF! :) A LOT of newbies waste MUCH MORE than $2000 in contaminated and/or wasted materials, I think $2000 isn't too unreasonable for that peace of mind.


OK... So what do the forums think? Would you be interested in these products? What about prices? Suggestions?

HOW ABOUT AN INCENTIVE? :D

For the first 5 members who respond to this add, IF WE GET A GOOD RESPONSE AND DECIDE TO OPEN, we will offer ANY ONE (1) of our products for %40 OFF, NOTHING IS EXCLUDED!

Thanks for taking the time to read our posting and have a safe evening!

Title: Re: Penis Envy?! (P. cubensis mushrooms) products, cultures, consultation-INCENTIVES
Post by: Niriane on October 13, 2012, 07:04 am
I'm most definitely interested, especially in the mushroom powder, sign me up!
Title: Re: Penis Envy?! (P. cubensis mushrooms) products, cultures, consultation-INCENTIVES
Post by: BlarghRawr on October 13, 2012, 07:44 am
Not a potential buyer, but I sure as fuck am interested in the crystallized psilocybin, from the sidelines.
Title: Re: Penis Envy?! (P. cubensis mushrooms) products, cultures, consultation-INCENTIVES
Post by: nuyt on October 13, 2012, 07:49 am
I'm totally interested. Can't say which yet, wanna reply and be one of the first five before I take the time to read through the details. Shameless I know. XD

edit: Ya, I'd definitely be interested in ordering some shrooms. I'll be on the lookout for when you become a vendor. :)
Title: Re: Penis Envy?! (P. cubensis mushrooms) products, cultures, consultation-INCENTIVES
Post by: PharmerBob on October 13, 2012, 08:50 am
I would pay the higher than normal price for the psilocybe crystals for sure, they are rare and would be so clean and easy to dose. Not for the shrooms though. P cubensis are P cubensis and quality P cubensis can be had for 35 an 8th easily. Maybe if they were the Liberty Caps strain ( P Semilanceata). Those are very unique and special. And contain baeocystin (another psychoactive compound in addition to psilocin and psilocybin).

Several studies have quantified the amounts of hallucinogenic compounds found in the fruit bodies of Psilocybe semilanceata. In 1993, Gartz reported an average of 1% psilocybin (expressed as a percentage of the dry weight of the fruit bodies), ranging from a minimum of 0.2% to a maximum of 2.37%, which is the highest psilocybin concentration reported for a mushroom. In an earlier analysis, Tjakko Stijve and Thom Kuyper (1985) found a high concentration in a single specimen (1.7%) in addition to a relatively high concentration of baeocystin (0.36%). Smaller specimens tend to have the highest percent concentrations of psilocybin, but the absolute amount is highest in larger mushrooms. They concluded that the species was one of the most potent, as well as the most constant in psilocybin levels. Despite its small size, Psilocybe semilanceata is considered a "moderately active to extremely potent" hallucinogenic mushroom (meaning the combined percentage of psychoactive compounds is typically between 0.25% to greater than 2%)

Liberty caps are worth that price but not P cubensis. Cmon you can do better then that. The amount of money it cost to grow them nowhere near justifies 300 an ounce pricing. They are infinitely more cheaper to produce then weed and top shelf medical indoor weed is had for 350-400.
Title: Re: Penis Envy?! (P. cubensis mushrooms) products, cultures, consultation-INCENTIVES
Post by: BallsTripped on October 13, 2012, 07:53 pm
I'm definitely interested in the shroom powder.  $300/oz is a little steep so the quality definitely needs to justify that.  Most other vendors are going $150-200/oz for comparison.  If 1.5-2g gives an equivalent trip to 3.5g of your average shroom though, that's certainly reasonable.  Hope you guys get off the ground, as SR definitely needs a good shroom vendor that has consistent supply.  Most of the good shroom vendors on here have very sporadic supply so hope you can keep your stuff in stock on a regular basis. 

Edit:  Sweet, got in at #5!  Looking forward to ordering and providing a good extensive review.  I've ordered shrooms from a couple other vendors on SR so I can give a good review of how your strain compares to some others.
Title: Re: Penis Envy?! (P. cubensis mushrooms) products, cultures, consultation-INCENTIVES
Post by: shroominigga on October 13, 2012, 08:13 pm
you should offer one gram samples of the dehydrated mushrooms to reputable members so that we can ensure that they are of potency advertised and not just some average strain, at least thats what id do if i was trying to get people to buy them at those prices
Title: Re: Penis Envy?! (P. cubensis mushrooms) products, cultures, consultation-INCENTIVES
Post by: PowderAndLiquid on October 13, 2012, 09:01 pm
I want to see a picture of a current grow, with your forum name in it, with your isolates...
Title: Re: Penis Envy?! (P. cubensis mushrooms) products, cultures, consultation-INCENTIVES
Post by: BlarghRawr on October 13, 2012, 09:17 pm
you should offer one gram samples of the dehydrated mushrooms to reputable members so that we can ensure that they are of potency advertised and not just some average strain, at least thats what id do if i was trying to get people to buy them at those prices
... I was about to be fucking mean about this, but fuck. 1 gram isn't much of a trip or much of a cost.

Still, I personally recommend discounted sample-packs, ideally of all that you currently offer, over the free samples thing. A low price will make people not give a shit about whether it's free or not.
Title: Re: Penis Envy?! (P. cubensis mushrooms) products, cultures, consultation-INCENTIVES
Post by: PowderAndLiquid on October 13, 2012, 09:24 pm
you shouldn't have ot give away your shrooms for free...
This is coming from a trusted cultivator...
Title: Re: Penis Envy?! (P. cubensis mushrooms) products, cultures, consultation-INCENTIVES
Post by: PowderAndLiquid on October 13, 2012, 09:25 pm
Would you mind posting pics of your isolates in petri's with your forum name in it?
Im interested...
Title: Re: Penis Envy?! (P. cubensis mushrooms) products, cultures, consultation-INCENTIVES
Post by: BOOMzROOM on October 13, 2012, 09:48 pm
@ PharmerBob- Judging by the current prices for cubes on SR, we thought our prices were of the lowest. We found many listings of 2.5g for $50-$60, which we think is WAY too much for cubes, especially the strains that are being offered, but it's not our business so we can't tell them what to do, eh??

Prices may drop a bit but we did not want to get everyone's hopes up with artificially low prices as we plan to take a considerable amount of precaution concerning stealth shipping. If you were a face-to-face client, you would probably get the prices you are looking for, but there are extra costs incurred with shipping that add up very quickly, especially if you want to do it correctly. We figured people would rather pay a bit more to ensure safe shipping instead of getting the bare minimum.

We WILL go the extra mile to ensure stealth shipping for the safety of our clients, which incurs a premium. And we WILL go the extra mile to ensure a network of drop-shipping and criss-crossing to ensure the safety of ourselves, which incurs a premium.

Besides, like I said, these mushrooms are MUCH more potent than the average cube. Granted, they are not as potent as liberty caps, which will serve you well at 1g (dry), but they ARE twice as strong as most cubes on the market. This is in part due to the variety itself and in part due to our culture work.

Also, you were comparing marijuana to mushrooms. Apples and oranges, my friend. I don't know how cheap you think it is to grow commercial amounts of mushrooms, but I assure it is NOT cheap. Especially when you maintain a contamination rate of less than 1%. Granted, the substrate itself is relatively inexpensive, but I think you forgot to factor in the cost of the HEPA filters, whatman filters, filter discs, media containers, petri dishes, in-line squirrel cage fans, duct hose, environmental controls, and the list goes on. This is not even considering that mushroom production takes MUCH MORE elbow grease than marijuana production. We know, we have pursued both ventures :).

Also, you are obviously forgetting the RISK associated with mushrooms when compared to marijuana. Marijuana isn't even a felony in large amounts anymore in some states. Mushrooms, on the other hand. are a felony regardless of the amount. Hell, in most states, cocaine dealers get less time than mushroom dealers (I've seen it happen plenty times, too many, in fact >:().

Honestly, when it boils down to it, once you get your marijuana or mushroom op established, mushrooms are MORE expensive resource-wise in the long run because of the upkeep of a sterile lab. Mushrooms are also more expensive man-hour wise because media containers get handled MUCH more due to the life cycle of the mushroom.


But, I've spent too much time justifying the price to you already, in my opinion, so I'll leave it at that. But, like I said, prices are apt to change for the better or worse, but we are confident in the potency of these mushrooms and believe they will sell themselves, We believe are prices are very fair for SR after seeing listings for 2.5g for $60. These same mushrooms get sold for $50-$60 an eigth on the street. So, we are actually losing potential capital when you factor in the cost of shipping into the $52.50.

I am guessing that prices will drop a bit when we post our official listing, but we just want to get situated in the market before we become the McDonald's of SR ;). Plus, we did not want to disrespect any upstanding vendors by severely undercutting them.

On a final thought, @PharmerBob, would you mind posting back with at least 5 vendors on SR that have us beat on price (I would say quality as well but there's obviously no way to judge)? We would likely be more apt to lower our prices but we thought we were lower than most on SR already, perhaps we did lackluster market research? Please remember, though, shipping is included in those prices so the entire $52.50 is not coming to us, it's more like $42-$45 that were getting straight out of the gate, then our self-incurred costs of cross-shipping takes more money out our pocket, and safe packaging takes even more money, so it comes down to us getting about $37.23 per eigth. I don't think that's too unreasonable to ask for due to the amount of work that goes into these mushrooms and their overall potency and quality.
Title: Re: Penis Envy?! (P. cubensis mushrooms) products, cultures, consultation-INCENTIVES
Post by: BOOMzROOM on October 13, 2012, 09:56 pm
@PowderAndLiquid- Yeah, we're not giving them away for free, lol. We've consulted with more than a few established vendors on how to kick start and they all said no freebies, but instead offer a discount. So, that's what we're doing, maybe it's not enough? Would %50 be better?

As far as the pics go, we can get you some, but you're gonna have to wait for our IT guy to get them on here. I don't know how to remove META tags...

If you want, shoot me a PM so I won't forget and I will get back with you when I get the pics?
Title: Re: Penis Envy?! (P. cubensis mushrooms) products, cultures, consultation-INCENTIVES
Post by: PowderAndLiquid on October 13, 2012, 10:01 pm
Cost of shipping + alittle xtra...
Title: Re: Penis Envy?! (P. cubensis mushrooms) products, cultures, consultation-INCENTIVES
Post by: BlarghRawr on October 13, 2012, 10:32 pm
Hey BOOMzROOM, I know giving the shipping-cost in the price is an attractive thing to do...

But it's actually worse for your customer. If a customer wants to, say, buy two 8ths from you, they end up paying the shipping cost twice. Just because the costs are part of the listing doesn't actually make it free, you know?
Title: Re: Penis Envy?! (P. cubensis mushrooms) products, cultures, consultation-INCENTIVES
Post by: BOOMzROOM on October 13, 2012, 10:58 pm
Perhaps it is +a little extra, but I guess we will find that out when we actually get going. Obviously if we get up and running and find we're not spending as much in some places as expected the prices would be adjusted to fill that gap. Look, we're already taking a loss of what they are worth to us  elsewhere by choosing to do this SR thing, so I don't see all the evidence to suggest we came here to get one over on anyone.

At the same time, though, we did not come here to be charitable donors. We are just confident enough in our mushrooms and are only trying to be realistic with members as to what we're willing to make in accordance to the predicted costs. Again, if things get going and we find an overestimated cost, prices would be adjusted quickly, *pwomise*.

Besides, who's the bigger dickhead- the guy who appraises you small and bills you big or the guy who appraises big and bills small? We're not trying to be those people.

Also, we never mentioned anything of "free shipping," but most logical people base their decisions on the total of the combined costs for said products and shipping, so at one point in time the math will need to be done. Why make the customer do it? We thought we were doing a service and making it less work to compare us to other vendors. Clients just have to look at one price and don't even have to click on the complete listing to know how much money they need for said product. There's no need to click on on the listing calculate shipping fees. Besides, we think we are competitive with the rest of the Road as it is and some of those prices are likely before shipping is totaled in. No offense, this is gonna sound bad in text, but, I think you're just a little too paranoid about being fucked for a couple dollars.
Title: Re: Penis Envy?! (P. cubensis mushrooms) products, cultures, consultation-INCENTIVES
Post by: PowderAndLiquid on October 13, 2012, 11:02 pm
I just drive my shit down the road to my boy for $1400/lb...
Much less hassle...

Ive thought about slinging them here thou...
Title: Re: Penis Envy?! (P. cubensis mushrooms) products, cultures, consultation-INCENTIVES
Post by: BlarghRawr on October 13, 2012, 11:11 pm
No offense, this is gonna sound bad in text, but, I think you're just a little too paranoid about being fucked for a couple dollars.
Nah, I don't think you're trying to fuck anyone. :)

It's just that I've puzzled over shipping-costs in listing vs shipping costs not in listing, and while it is more work for the buyer to have it not be part of the listing, I just feel that's best. Also, this is another reason you should consider switching that up; SR doesn't take any fee on the shipping costs.

Which... now that I think about it, would explain all those vendors who have really high shipping costs. It's like they're trying to get the fee back, by over-charging on shipping.
Title: Re: Penis Envy?! (P. cubensis mushrooms) products, cultures, consultation-INCENTIVES
Post by: BOOMzROOM on October 14, 2012, 01:18 am
Much less hassle...

Exactly. All the hassle with shipping and whatnot requires larger returns for it to be worth the time. :)
Title: Re: Penis Envy?! (P. cubensis mushrooms) products, cultures, consultation-INCENTIVES
Post by: BOOMzROOM on October 14, 2012, 01:39 am
But, if you do grow and are already growing them and assuming you have the money to buy some agar and dishes (and you should already have them if you're at all serious ;)), then you would serve yourself much more justice to start culture work on your own Penis Envy variety.

Hell you don't even need dishes, we've done agar plates in half pint wide mouth jars before with great results. Plates are more convenient but the little jars are workable :).

Even better, you can easily double your yield with liquid culture cloning and not even have to pour the first plate of agar. You'll need a flowhood, though, becuase it's nearly impossible to open up a jar of liquid culture in a glovebox without getting contaminations. You can build your own flowhood for half the price of the main mycology websites. I can get you plans to build one for free.

You can PM us w/ questions if you like.

I mean, we will have no problem selling you cultures, but if you've already put in the effort to produce pounds at a time, your shorting yourself by refusing to learn culture work. You'd be surprise by the improvement only one round of minimization brings. However, if you plan on keeping your cultures for long periods of time, your going to have to breed multiple lines of genetics with similar characteristics into the same line. This is what separates good cultures from great cultures. The less diverse the gene pool of original lines of genes, the less stable your resulting line will be. Stability can implicate anything from yield to potency to longevity.

A general rule of thumb is at least 70% of your fruiting media should be from either clones or isolates. If you fruit a majority of multi-spore media you are cheating yourself of yield and potency and consistency. Fruit a small batch from multi-spore and do tissue work with the best mushrooms of the batch, you will be a much happier mycology, I promise :D.
Title: Re: Penis Envy?! (P. cubensis mushrooms) products, cultures, consultation-INCENTIVES
Post by: PowderAndLiquid on October 14, 2012, 01:48 am
I mod at THE top myco forum on the net...
My PE6, APE, and Rare Ape hybrid iso's are the shit! :)

Good luck slinging your mushies on here...
Title: Re: Penis Envy?! (P. cubensis mushrooms) products, cultures, consultation-INCENTIVES
Post by: BlarghRawr on October 14, 2012, 02:00 am
Sounds like we need Shroomeister's voice in this thread.
Title: Re: Penis Envy?! (P. cubensis mushrooms) products, cultures, consultation-INCENTIVES
Post by: BOOMzROOM on October 14, 2012, 03:13 am
So you're a top mod on a forum, yet you don't know the first rule of the forums? I'm sure your forum is glad to have a mod gloating around on a website that actually admits to partaking in illegal activity.

Why in the world would you give a clue as to who you are outside of this place? Any self-respecting forum-goer knows better than that. I'm going to recommend you tune down your ego and edit that out for your own benefit.

Or, to show us all just how much of a badass you are, you can tell us on what site you have achieved almighty mod status so we can all be hypnotized by the clout of this top forum.

If you have all these badass cultures, why were you wanting to buy one from some random on SR?
Title: Re: Penis Envy?! (P. cubensis mushrooms) products, cultures, consultation-INCENTIVES
Post by: PowderAndLiquid on October 14, 2012, 03:15 am
I never said i wanted to buy any...
Just curious what yours look like...

Nm...
Just drop it...
Good luck with your business...
Title: Re: Penis Envy?! (P. cubensis mushrooms) products, cultures, consultation-INCENTIVES
Post by: BOOMzROOM on October 14, 2012, 06:31 pm
I think we can handle dropping it, as we didn't come here to argue :). Those are very good varieties, btw! I think once we get settled in that people will find we are reasonable and have a solid product, but only time will tell.

At any rate, it looks like will be purchasing a vendor account within the next few days so those of you who would like to take us up on the %50 off deal should send us a PM letting us know what you would like. If we don't get 5 buyers then we will re-open the opportunity until we get 5 so be on the look out for that :). We will post back to this thread if we need more ppl.
Title: Re: Penis Envy?! (P. cubensis mushrooms) products, cultures, consultation-INCENTIVES
Post by: Shroomeister on October 14, 2012, 11:34 pm
7 posts and already "upset" with potential customers. You wont make it here playing the arguing game brah, don't matter if you giving away pound of crystals.

PowderandLiquid asked some valid points. This not being mycotopia or shroomery I understand not posting picture pron like he may be use to, but to give a fuck if he is gloating about another forum. Who cares.

You prices are way out of line. Try and click the "Domestic Only" button and stop looking at what 10g vends for down under in Australia.

AVG prices are more like

$80-90 - 1/2oz (14g)
$140-160 1oz (28g)
and so on.

It is a free market though, so you can sell for price you like.

What proof are you using for making these wild claims about how strong your Penis Envy is? I mean you should have lab results and gas chromatigraph data on your Psilo content the way you underhandly bash every other shroom vendor around with your wild claims.

This isnt a cigarette factor....there is no one "sweeping dust off the floor" and selling it customers.

I understand you are trying to market and make yourself look like the best option to potential customers. We all do that, but if you took another moment or two to look a bit deeper you would see that almost everyone on here vending shrooms communicate with eachother. Its not cut throat, there's enough for everyone.

Do you even have a vendor account yet?

With that said - Welcome to Silk Road.
Title: Re: Penis Envy?! (P. cubensis mushrooms) products, cultures, consultation-INCENTIVES
Post by: jameslink2 on October 15, 2012, 12:57 am
What proof are you using for making these wild claims about how strong your Penis Envy is? I mean you should have lab results and gas chromatigraph data on your Psilo content the way you underhandly bash every other shroom vendor around with your wild claims.

Hate to be the one to rain on a parade but I have a Spectrophotometer and PE falls within the 4-8mg per dry gram range same as the other strains of Ps. Cubensis.

To BOOMzROOM, Welcome to SR. I agree your prices are high and you may need to do a little more research. There are lots of shroom vendors and the more there are the better it is for all ;)
Title: Re: Penis Envy?! (P. cubensis mushrooms) products, cultures, consultation-INCENTIVES
Post by: BOOMzROOM on October 19, 2012, 04:57 pm
Ok... We will have our vendor account either today or tomorrow.

But, first, I would like to give apologies to vendors who were offended by the original post. If I could find the edit button I would happily go back and edit that part out, anyone care to tell me where it is?

Also, Shroomeister, thanks for pointing out the difference between the US and Aussie prices. I was unaware of the difference in price of such markets. Anyone know why are prices so inflated in Australia? Perhaps it's due to tougher drug laws and larger risk involved?

We will adjust our prices accordingly to be more competitive with other vendors :).

However, concerning the potency of PEs... I know cubes are one in the same for the most part and perhaps even are identical in psilo content. But, there are to many people that only need to eat half as much weight as other cubes to get the same trip, so I believe there is something else involved. Did you test for other alkaloids, or only psilocybin? I believe the amount of people and the consistency of reports of needing less weight justifies enough scientific evidence to claim PEs are stronger than other cubes. Granted, they are nowhere near as potent as Liberty Caps. But, we have grown and sold MANY varieties of cubes, and these are by far the most revered due to the fact people can literally eat HALF as much as Golden Teachers, B+, Ecuadors, Texas, etc. and trip just as hard.

There is the possibility of it being a mental trick, of course, but with so many people being consistent with their reports of higher potency, I don't see it very likely. I wish I did have a GCMS because I would certianly do some research, but I simply don't have the funds to purchase one. The closest I have came to chromatography was using TLC plates to pick the most potent mushrooms to clone, but it isn't nearly as accurate as a GCMS. And no, I never ran a plate on any other variety (because PE is the only cube worth working with IMO), so I don't have anything to compare.

We will post ads on SR and post back to this forum with the links, with updated/lowered prices, so hopefully some appeasement takes place :).

Again, I hope any vendors rubbed the wrong way will accept our apology, as that's the one thing we did not want to do. I admit I was wrong in using such strong advertisement and claims and would be happy to edit it out if I could just find the edit link.

Other than that, be on the lookout for the SR ads!  8)





Title: Re: Penis Envy?! (P. cubensis mushrooms) products, cultures, consultation-INCENTIVES
Post by: jameslink2 on October 19, 2012, 08:11 pm
However, concerning the potency of PEs... I know cubes are one in the same for the most part and perhaps even are identical in psilo content. But, there are to many people that only need to eat half as much weight as other cubes to get the same trip, so I believe there is something else involved. Did you test for other alkaloids, or only psilocybin? I believe the amount of people and the consistency of reports of needing less weight justifies enough scientific evidence to claim PEs are stronger than other cubes. Granted, they are nowhere near as potent as Liberty Caps. But, we have grown and sold MANY varieties of cubes, and these are by far the most revered due to the fact people can literally eat HALF as much as Golden Teachers, B+, Ecuadors, Texas, etc. and trip just as hard.

There is the possibility of it being a mental trick, of course, but with so many people being consistent with their reports of higher potency, I don't see it very likely. I wish I did have a GCMS because I would certianly do some research, but I simply don't have the funds to purchase one. The closest I have came to chromatography was using TLC plates to pick the most potent mushrooms to clone, but it isn't nearly as accurate as a GCMS. And no, I never ran a plate on any other variety (because PE is the only cube worth working with IMO), so I don't have anything to compare.

My tests were only for psilocybin and psilocin I did not test for baeocystin or norbaeocystin.

The problem is what you are considering as "justifies enough scientific evidence" is not scientific evidence, it is anecdotal evidence. Anecdotal evidence has issues. The first that comes to mind is the fact that 30% of the population is susceptible to the placebo effect and in some studies that number rises based on previous beliefs as well as the manner in which it is presented to the patient. Reaching as high as 63.3% of subjects. Second is that it is cherry picked. There are lots of reports that PE has the same potency as any other cubensis, however they are ignored in favor of the stance that PE is stronger. Third is the simple fact that the idea of PE being stronger stems from the fact that it is a stabilized mutant. This in and of it self is an Post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy.

I will point out that substrate has more to do with potency than strain. I have tested this and it is a well known fact. There is also Anecdotal evidence to this in reports from people who say that PE grown on BRF "sucks" where PE grown on a bulk nutrient rich substrate is "strong"

I am only saying this and warning you because large claims like the ones you are making will lead to VERY high expectations. If your shrooms do not live up to the expectations then people will rate you lower on feedback. This in and of it self will hurt you as a vendor because your rating will drop and people will be less likely to buy from you.

To edit your post you can click on the "Modify" button at the top of the post.
Title: Re: Penis Envy?! (P. cubensis mushrooms) products, cultures, consultation-INCENTIVES
Post by: Shroomeister on October 19, 2012, 09:07 pm
I meant welcome to SR honestly. If you haven't; look at the cubensis category right now. Its bare. We need you.

As far as everything else, you'll get the swing of things.

Customers will hold you accountable for any claim you make, James is right about that.

My vendor profile actually says my cubes are "avg"

....buy more...eat more.

With out science behind you its all just hearsay unfortunalty.

Shrooms are so expensive in Oz because not a lot of cultivators there. Hard to even get spores I reckon, and no one has any consistent luck shipping there.

Wanna make a small fortune? get shipments there regularly and gain a rep for it.

The other side of that coin is that some Aus buyers scam because they know its hard to ship to, so they say it never came etc.

Also as I said before, once You build a rep you will find that most vendors, even more so those in the same catergory (shrooms) are a pretty tight knit group.

If we have one buyer run a scam on one of us, we let the others know. etc.

Title: Re: Penis Envy?! (P. cubensis mushrooms) products, cultures, consultation-INCENTIVES
Post by: blueveil on October 20, 2012, 10:51 am
as another shroom vendor id like to also welcome you. the guy before me is right if you can stay consistent on shipments you will go really far in the mushroom category. I am ramping up production hard to try and maintain inventory. if you can afford to lower prices a bit and sell more you will be a much better vendor all around.
Title: Re: Penis Envy?! (P. cubensis mushrooms) products, cultures, consultation-INCENTIVES
Post by: BOOMzROOM on October 20, 2012, 04:26 pm
Regarding the modify button- I see it on all of my posts in this thread besides the original post. Is this normal or are they in a different location on OPs?

Prices will be lowered.

We have purchased our SR vendor account and will be posting ads w/ pics here shortly. Just need to make sure the meta tags are out. We are not quite ready to list cultures yet, though, so there will only be listings for the mushrooms and powder.

And, I'm glad to hear shroom vendors are tight knit, I somewhat figured so which is why I did not want to piss anyone off. I should have chosen my words better, yes.

Jameslink, if you ever get a free moment to run the mass spec for the other two alkaloids, I would be very interested in the results. From my understanding, not much of the psilocin survives the dehyrdating process. Perhaps the higher than average stipe density of PEs shelters more of the psilocin from degradation? There has to be something to justify the consistent reports of higher potency. Like I said, nearly 100% of the vast number of users report nearly 50-100% higher potency, and that more than accounts for the 30% placebo effect factor. I don't know about the substrate having anything to do with it, I've only grown 1 BRF cake in my career so I don't have much to compare to. I can see it though, as a healthier substrate would provide for healthier shrooms that could reasonably increase the amount of psilo it produces as a defense mechanism. However, I do know genetics, separate from strain, do place a role.
Title: Re: Penis Envy?! (P. cubensis mushrooms) products, cultures, consultation-INCENTIVES
Post by: Shroomeister on October 22, 2012, 12:17 am
You should isolate an albino from another variety and see if the placebo effect holds true with your local audience.
Title: Re: Penis Envy?! (P. cubensis mushrooms) products, cultures, consultation-INCENTIVES
Post by: jameslink2 on October 22, 2012, 01:59 am
Like I said, nearly 100% of the vast number of users report nearly 50-100% higher potency, and that more than accounts for the 30% placebo effect factor.

Here is a great example of cherry picking results. Re-Read my post it stated "Reaching as high as 63.3% of subjects" which can easily account for your findings.

Try this, take something like Malabar or Golden teachers. Grow them out and pick them while they are unopened so they look like PE. Go to a party with friends who have had the PE before and give 1/2 of them real PE and 1/2 of them the other. Then afterwords ask them all if it was as good as it always is.

From my experience they all come back and rave about how it was 50-100% stronger that normal shrooms and just what they were expecting from the quality you provide.

I did this when people were raving about aborts being stronger than full grown mushrooms. The difference was that I ground them and provided pills. People could not tell the difference.

Now, if you have some friends that are cool with being tricked and you are not ripping them off. In other words you are giving them the mushrooms and calling them test subjects, you can have a lot of fun with the placebo effect. A few years ago I took 10 people and told them I was testing two different strains of magic mushroom. I pulled out two bags of mushrooms and weighed out 3g for each person 5 from 1 bag and 5 from the other. After everyone took the shrooms I dimmed the lights, put on some great music and turned on the liquid light projector. I was surprised that 8 of the 10 people described it as the best trip they had ever had and the other 2 stated that they did not really trip, but got a good body high.

Best part was, they were Armillaria mellea that had been dried at 180f. They are not active but look a lot like Ps. Cubensis.
Picture (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Armillaria_mellea_041031w.jpg)