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Post by: GoodShitExplorer on June 30, 2013, 07:45 pm
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Title: Re: Philosophy of GOD - What's your Take?
Post by: Minchia on June 30, 2013, 08:29 pm


So, we are part of GOD and thus we are all mni-GOD.
If we are trying to know GOD and thus GOD is trying to know itself.
I am referring to GOD as itself as I do not want to attach any to gender to this being.

i do agree with you on the thought 'everything is connected and divine' but, in my opinion, you are trying to understand this 'complex concept of divine intelligence' (=God) by giving it a personality. that could be already to much of an assumption. god may be extremely paradox and impossible to understand from our point of view, therefore i have never seen much value in trying to define 'God' by using logic or rational thoughts.
God for me could be a divine melody, vibration or energy with no human intents or thoughts.

 
Title: Re: Philosophy of GOD - What's your Take?
Post by: therabbithole on July 03, 2013, 04:54 pm
I think I agree with you. All of us are part of God. But our spirit (energy) is capsulated in our bodies, makes us separated from each other. When we are released from these bodies, we might return to our source (God).
Title: Re: Philosophy of GOD - What's your Take?
Post by: tedrux on July 05, 2013, 11:34 am
dude, gods a chick , now get over it.  for your sake I hope alanis morriset forgives you. now sing 'perfect' 10 times in order to cleanse your soul of offense. :p
basicly.....
I love it when people say 'basically' it makes them sound like a knowitall who doesn't know anything.
is all your perception (that includes any level of consciousness or unconsciousness , any level of existence ) is reality and you are the source of creation? are you god? is god a part of you and heirarchially your above god?
are you seperate from reality? by that I mean, can there be a distinguishment between you and the universe as two seperate entities? if so are you a part of reality which is the sum total of god? mayhaps: are you a part of reality which is a part of god?
is god contained within her creation but her creation is not a part of her?
is god and the universe seperate?

these seem to be the essential questions I can come up with . in simplist form
which is contained within which: self>Universe>Creator (how do they relate)

I personally think that (not beleive , mind you , as my ability to have faith is pretty low) but think that everything gets pretty complicated and its all true and untrue at the same time but at a very simple level everything is from god which is the allinall and nothing existed except for god at the beginning (which I think is also the end) (which I think is every single moment a simoultaneous complete creation/destruction, birth/death of the universe) so since there was nothing but god in the begining anything created was made out of god. like if all you had was dirt then anything you make will be made from dirt (or flesh, which you also posess, but you get the picture). god is infinite so I think every peice of god is infinite . were all inseprable from the sum total no matter what itteration our consciousness channels from the multiverse.    I dont think its possible to defy an absolute will and that my personal perspective is the only reality. there is a definite difference between reality and existence as something may exist without being real (tangible or evident) .imaginary images exist as we can define them , but they are not real. god exists but may or may not be real to beleivers or non beleivers. I guess brahman just seems like a likely cantidate. but I dont see why brahman and yewah have to be different entities in any way but name and personification. in the end it wont really matter- just be a cool dude . if theres a god willing to damn me when I tried to be a good person, just because i failed to say the right prayers , that gods a dick and probably was going to damn me anyways.
Title: Re: Philosophy of GOD - What's your Take?
Post by: redalloverthelandguyhere on July 05, 2013, 01:07 pm
If you have been raised as Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Sikh, Hindu or any other religion, you really should be allowed to question that religion.

Sadly, we have a situation in which we are told to have great respect for any religion, a premise that I for one don't buy.

I judge people by how they treat others. And sure, having a moral code of sorts helps. I guess I agree with the 'don't kill' and 'don't cheat on your wife/husband' but I find some religions to have harsh and unfair rules, in particular women get a bad deal - and children get no choice. They are told that this god or that god rules us all. Its usually a bunch of old men who 'interpret' what this god wants. Some even say god talks to them. But, as we all know, the mental homes of the world are host to lots of gods or prophets who swear they are some special being. So far none have turned water to wine or floated in the air or something really miraclous.

It all comes down to two truths.

One truth is that we are just an accident which has led us to become sentient beings with a sense of self awareness. Some radiation, some gases, some chemicals, alkaline and acids and some scientists say that we evolved from a primeval 'soup' a bubbling mass of stuff that eventually led to one cell living things that eventually became us.

The other truth is that we were created. We call the creator 'god' because that can mean anything really. It is likely that if there is a god then that god would send messangers to the world. Could be some distant planet which is humanoid and evolved to the point they have no wars, no hate or envy. They must surely think we are fucked up. I would say that ALL religions have the hand of man at play. Even if some prophet did come along - men would surely use them for their own reasons. The Romans adopted Christianity when they saw that the followers were not scared of death. Same for the Muslims, some Arab warrior saw the same lack of fear over death and thought they would make good soliders and so he adopted the religion of Islam.

The Jewish religion, read the Old Testament and its a bloodbath as are some of the Muslim 'Hadiths' (stories of Mohammed)

Buddhists seem pretty peaceful, but they will pick up a big stick if provoked.

Religion and politics are often one and the same thing.

By the way, I'm a prophet also - so send your btc and I'll turn your water into buds.

 ;)

May your God, go with you. And always question your religion that you were raised with.

I pop into any religious building myself - churches, mosques, temples and synagougues.

My main place of worhsip is the countryside - nature - looking up at the stars and feeling the good earth beneath me. Add some shrooms to that and maybe you can see how humans got to thinking about why were are here and what this life is all about!

I got a Jewish buddy and a Muslim one - plus Christians as that is what I was raised as.

Lovely people - never judge people until you know them a little. And never judge a whole race or culture of people! Thats what Hitler did. Daft bastard.

So, peace be with you all!

PS - live life - don't keep refering to the rules set by others. But don't kill people, don't rob them, don't bully anyone and enjoy life. We all have a conscience. Well, most of us. Guess Ted Bundy never had one or ignored it and fucked up big time. Apologies if that seems a bit offhand - what he done was wicked and evil.
Title: Re: Philosophy of GOD - What's your Take?
Post by: White 0ut on July 05, 2013, 01:22 pm
I have this conversation with a lot of friends, well the ones that aren't too shy to talk about it.

This is how I see it...

1. There is a higher being, has to be... Too many amazingly spectacular life forms, settings, extraordinary things like the people of SR for example that in order to exist, must have had someone create them. That's my view.
2. That being is EVERYTHING. He's you, he's me, he's a line of coke, it is a snake, it is the sexiest woman you have ever seen and the dirtiest crack whore to ever suck in a red light district. It's literally everything.
3. You don't have to study a bible or piece of literature to be accepted by this being. You don't need to religiously attend church for instruction....
Some children never have heard the word "Jesus" "Buddha" or "Mohammad". How can these children be cast into "hell" for not doing something they never even had heard of? You can't, well not morally.
4. Live your life with good vibes, a well being, showing love to others, giving, and truly caring. This won't get you very far in life per say, but in the off chance that the biggest argument in the history of the world (God vs No God) has a winner, which it will... & that winner is "God" instead of "no god" you should be sitting pretty if you live a fairly moral lifestyle. Not by going to church every week or praying every minute.
Title: Re: Philosophy of GOD - What's your Take?
Post by: Miah on July 05, 2013, 04:45 pm
Quote
God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. Yet his shadow still looms. How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us? What water is there for us to clean ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we have to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it?
—Nietzsche, The Gay Science, Section 125, tr

I used to believe in a holy power and divine but the above statement starts to make more sense to me day by day. If there was a god why would he let innoncent people die. Women get raped. Homeless people. Insane people. I can go on and on. What kind of god allows his world and it's people to suffer by unjustly rulers. This leads me to believe there is no god or if there is and he allows all this suffering in the world then I want no part of him.
Title: Re: Philosophy of GOD - What's your Take?
Post by: fuckmadagascar on July 06, 2013, 06:55 am
I could jump into this tired discussion of a god vs no god, but I feel I have little to contribute by answering that question directly. I believe simply that the idea of the supernatural was invented and constructed. Not willfully, but by misunderstanding of the world. For example, a person takes DMT and reports in a documentary (called "The Spirit Molecule") that they had a spiritual experience. This isn't verifiable evidence that they have a spirit, and when they believe they are connected to a higher being, that only occurs through their use of the drug. We of course know now that although the brain is complex, we can measure and verify that drugs inhibit or induce certain receptors in our brain to function a particular way based on neurons and hormones. Neuroscience is a fascinating field when one looks at humans as though we are complicated bags of chemicals and not mystical vessels of an unseen and untouchable soul.

But the most important thing I feel I may be able to communicate to many of you, is something I hope you have discovered in your experience before anyone has had to say it.

You don't have to know what you believe right away, but know why you believe. That will help you decide what you believe.
Title: Re: Philosophy of GOD - What's your Take?
Post by: enlightener on July 06, 2013, 08:06 am
a part of god? no,I wouldn't believe that we are a only a tasty morsel of a wholesome pie ( God in reference)

We are all divine beings vested with universal "godly" shining auras we fail to see the light only due to our egos

If your truly aware we are in a constant changing flux of godly interaction with each other

Title: Re: Philosophy of GOD - What's your Take?
Post by: enlightener on July 06, 2013, 08:48 am
an inflated sense of self worth,

it can be defined in more than one context though
Title: Re: Philosophy of GOD - What's your Take?
Post by: enlightener on July 06, 2013, 05:48 pm
and the self would be the identity,your individual personal identity you give yourself,an identity defined by thoughts and actions
Title: Re: Philosophy of GOD - What's your Take?
Post by: enlightener on July 06, 2013, 06:45 pm
and what would be your definition for the ego and the self

oh well thank you for your judgements about me (:

love n light

Title: Re: Philosophy of GOD - What's your Take?
Post by: fuckmadagascar on July 06, 2013, 08:07 pm
and the self would be the identity,your individual personal identity you give yourself,an identity defined by thoughts and actions

So, you are saying that "Self" is equivalent to personal identity and is basically a collection of thoughts and actions.

I think you don't have much clue what you are talking about.

Your view of the world/reality is severely limited, paralyzed and blind-sided by your own thoughts!!!

Nevertheless you seem to have better grasp of the concept than most others :)


GSE
                 

I am now obligated to interject here and say that GSE is not looking to discuss, but to argue, and without base.

GSE above just accused you, enlightener, of having incorrect ideas about the Ego and the Self, as if there is a single definition to either. By that action, GSE does not understand philosophical discussion, and is clearly not practiced in it.

Now enlightener, I am no authority of any kind, but I'd like to offer a dissenting opinion and say that your ideas are solid in terms of your definition of the Self. You need not feel in the wrong because someone's definition was different than yours. :)

Just keeping things from getting too one-sized folks. Remember, this is the subforum of Philosophy - not of dogmatic and high-handed arguing.
Title: Re: Philosophy of GOD - What's your Take?
Post by: enlightener on July 07, 2013, 08:36 am
and the self would be the identity,your individual personal identity you give yourself,an identity defined by thoughts and actions

So, you are saying that "Self" is equivalent to personal identity and is basically a collection of thoughts and actions.

I think you don't have much clue what you are talking about.

Your view of the world/reality is severely limited, paralyzed and blind-sided by your own thoughts!!!

Nevertheless you seem to have better grasp of the concept than most others :)


GSE
                 

I am now obligated to interject here and say that GSE is not looking to discuss, but to argue, and without base.

GSE above just accused you, enlightener, of having incorrect ideas about the Ego and the Self, as if there is a single definition to either. By that action, GSE does not understand philosophical discussion, and is clearly not practiced in it.

Now enlightener, I am no authority of any kind, but I'd like to offer a dissenting opinion and say that your ideas are solid in terms of your definition of the Self. You need not feel in the wrong because someone's definition was different than yours. :)

Just keeping things from getting too one-sized folks. Remember, this is the subforum of Philosophy - not of dogmatic and high-handed arguing.

That's your perception of what I am saying. You are FREE to have any perception you want or need. The choice is yours!

With the last few posts all I tried to do with "enlightener" is understand his perspective of the words his using in his post and posted my perceptions of his understanding. So, I am indeed participating in this discussion that you seem not to understand.

But anyway as I said that's your choice to have any perception you want or need.


GSE   

                               

alright thats your understanding of the ego and self

and no I never felt that GSE was ever involved with high-handed arguing ( haha I love that word,+1 to you if I could),I feel GSE has a ingrained compulsory need to bash my view because GSE has a rigid framework of a mind built up with  beliefs which  GSE holds supreme,again its just my perception......

"Judgement is the intrinsic property of LIFE itself."
Acceptance is gentle and I will leave it that

love n light
Title: Re: Philosophy of GOD - What's your Take?
Post by: tedrux on July 07, 2013, 01:02 pm
its not impossible that were an accident but the term accident implies that there is an imperfect creator. god may express lots of things but mostly it represents everything and out of everything how we focus the concept is either where did everything come from or how do we live our lives?

If you have been raised as Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Sikh, Hindu or any other religion, you really should be allowed to question that religion.

Sadly, we have a situation in which we are told to have great respect for any religion, a premise that I for one don't buy.

I judge people by how they treat others. And sure, having a moral code of sorts helps. I guess I agree with the 'don't kill' and 'don't cheat on your wife/husband' but I find some religions to have harsh and unfair rules, in particular women get a bad deal - and children get no choice. They are told that this god or that god rules us all. Its usually a bunch of old men who 'interpret' what this god wants. Some even say god talks to them. But, as we all know, the mental homes of the world are host to lots of gods or prophets who swear they are some special being. So far none have turned water to wine or floated in the air or something really miraclous.

It all comes down to two truths.

One truth is that we are just an accident which has led us to become sentient beings with a sense of self awareness. Some radiation, some gases, some chemicals, alkaline and acids and some scientists say that we evolved from a primeval 'soup' a bubbling mass of stuff that eventually led to one cell living things that eventually became us.

The other truth is that we were created. We call the creator 'god' because that can mean anything really. It is likely that if there is a god then that god would send messangers to the world. Could be some distant planet which is humanoid and evolved to the point they have no wars, no hate or envy. They must surely think we are fucked up. I would say that ALL religions have the hand of man at play. Even if some prophet did come along - men would surely use them for their own reasons. The Romans adopted Christianity when they saw that the followers were not scared of death. Same for the Muslims, some Arab warrior saw the same lack of fear over death and thought they would make good soliders and so he adopted the religion of Islam.

The Jewish religion, read the Old Testament and its a bloodbath as are some of the Muslim 'Hadiths' (stories of Mohammed)

Buddhists seem pretty peaceful, but they will pick up a big stick if provoked.

Religion and politics are often one and the same thing.

By the way, I'm a prophet also - so send your btc and I'll turn your water into buds.

 ;)

May your God, go with you. And always question your religion that you were raised with.

I pop into any religious building myself - churches, mosques, temples and synagougues.

My main place of worhsip is the countryside - nature - looking up at the stars and feeling the good earth beneath me. Add some shrooms to that and maybe you can see how humans got to thinking about why were are here and what this life is all about!

I got a Jewish buddy and a Muslim one - plus Christians as that is what I was raised as.

Lovely people - never judge people until you know them a little. And never judge a whole race or culture of people! Thats what Hitler did. Daft bastard.

So, peace be with you all!

PS - live life - don't keep refering to the rules set by others. But don't kill people, don't rob them, don't bully anyone and enjoy life. We all have a conscience. Well, most of us. Guess Ted Bundy never had one or ignored it and fucked up big time. Apologies if that seems a bit offhand - what he done was wicked and evil.
Title: Re: Philosophy of GOD - What's your Take?
Post by: enlightener on July 08, 2013, 07:12 am
no apologies needed GSE,its all good (:

I'm glad I had this conversation with you (: