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Discussion => Drug safety => Topic started by: junjo on August 27, 2013, 09:58 pm
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Heroin is almost always demonized for being the most dangerous drug in existence, but when you look at all said "dangers" of the drug, they're almost all solely related to complications from I.V. use. I can't seem to find anything anywhere that says heroin itself causes medical issues. Yes, it is horribly physically addictive, but other than that, heroin itself doesn't seem to have any dangerous effects on the body when used in sane amounts.
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Heroin is almost always demonized for being the most dangerous drug in existence, but when you look at all said "dangers" of the drug, they're almost all solely related to complications from I.V. use. I can't seem to find anything anywhere that says heroin itself causes medical issues. Yes, it is horribly physically addictive, but other than that, heroin itself doesn't seem to have any dangerous effects on the body when used in sane amounts.
I was under the impression pure heroin does no harm other then mental and physical addiction.
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Pure diamorphine and most opiates aren't toxic (they don't kill cells). Street heroin is probably harmful because of its cutting agents and contaminants though.
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Heroin is almost always demonized for being the most dangerous drug in existence, but when you look at all said "dangers" of the drug, they're almost all solely related to complications from I.V. use. I can't seem to find anything anywhere that says heroin itself causes medical issues. Yes, it is horribly physically addictive, but other than that, heroin itself doesn't seem to have any dangerous effects on the body when used in sane amounts.
I was under the impression pure heroin does no harm other then mental and physical addiction.
That's what I always assumed as well, which is why it's ridiculous that there's so much propaganda blaming heroin for causing liver, kidney and heart disease when it's obviously the result of improper needle usage
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Pure diamorphine and most opiates aren't toxic (they don't kill cells). Street heroin is probably harmful because of its cutting agents and contaminants though.
Interesting. What harmful chemicals are in street heroin? I thought most of the cuts were benign, like benadryl and sugar
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i used heroin for years...
constipation was the worst physical complication i noticed,
besides the addiction and withdrawal.
always use fresh fits! :)
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i used heroin for years...
constipation was the worst physical complication i noticed,
besides the addiction and withdrawal.
always use fresh fits! :)
I'm actually thankful for the constipation, it's the one thing that's kept me from becoming dependent on heroin (thus far). Usually it's a good warning sign for when I need to take a break from it
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It is the dose that makes the poison, as usual. Large amounts of heroin can kill you quite quickly (respiratory depression, cardiac arrest and such).
More reasonable amounts of heroin or other opiates will not do much physical damage at all. The main reason people die due to opiate abuse is the cost of the addiction and the consequences of maintaining the habit. Things like sharing needles that spread disease are essentially also just a cost factor: fresh ones are too expensive.
So in reasonable doses it will not be the heroin that will kill you, it will be living on the streets, contracting disease or simple being shot in a deal gone bad.
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Is heroin addictive as everyone makes it out to be? What does it compare to Oxycontin?
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Is heroin addictive as everyone makes it out to be? What does it compare to Oxycontin?
I've honestly known more oxycontin train wrecks than heroin addicts. Heroin has always been just "ok" for me, i've never felt the orgasmX1000 feeling as portrayed in the media. It's just a pretty standard opiate. Oxycontin, once again, isn't anything godly, but it has something special about it that heroin doesn't. Oxy IMO is quite a bit more euphoric, but also less sedating, which may be good or bad depending on what you use it for. I think all opiates have some potential for addiction, but you have to be predisposed to it in some way. I've consumed opiates, including heroin, for years, but never once experienced physical addiction or withdrawals. If I come across a stash of dope, I will pound it down at an alarming rate, but the second I'm done with it, I can move on my life, and don't really "fiend" for it.
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I want to quote a bunch of you, but it seems to be from my post down.. SO:
I used to get constipated from opiates, but over the years that side affect has seemed to pass. I can still shit daily and consume high amounts of opiates.
I do agree oxys have a better euphoria and that awesome full of happy energy to burn a whole shift at work!
oxymorphone would be the godly opiate IMO.
Addiction varies from person to person in a big way.
for example, I am high risk for addiction with just about anything, except alcohol. (hate it)
however my cousin takes just as much as me, but he never has a problem with just stopping. (I can't do that)
I do have a question though. How many of you just don't get a euphoria from snorting heroin?
I swear on MANY occasions and with various different vendors even Subsrgood, I would easily burn through 1/2 - 3/4 gram in a few hours and not once get a euphoria, just keeps me from feeling like shit. does this mean my tolerance is that high? hell it takes me 60+mg of oxymorphone snorted to get a euphoria.
and I never nod anymore. Used to.. not anymore.
I got 10 stamps from a couple vendors and did one.. nothing.. two more... nothing however in a much better mood. in a matter of 2-3 hours I would have snorted all 10 stamps.
I need some insight on this.
@junjo I have seen WAY more bad shit happen with pharma shit as well. compared to heroin anyway.
I can think of a dozen or more drugs that are WAY worse then Heroin. I actually could see living the rest of my life on a regular heroin regimen. Hell look at Leonardo da Vinci - this dude was on opium for much of his life and look how well he did. Edgar Cayce was on opiates and he did good.
My point is if you can control it, you can live life happy.
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I want to quote a bunch of you, but it seems to be from my post down.. SO:
I used to get constipated from opiates, but over the years that side affect has seemed to pass. I can still shit daily and consume high amounts of opiates.
I do agree oxys have a better euphoria and that awesome full of happy energy to burn a whole shift at work!
oxymorphone would be the godly opiate IMO.
Addiction varies from person to person in a big way.
for example, I am high risk for addiction with just about anything, except alcohol. (hate it)
however my cousin takes just as much as me, but he never has a problem with just stopping. (I can't do that)
I do have a question though. How many of you just don't get a euphoria from snorting heroin?
I swear on MANY occasions and with various different vendors even Subsrgood, I would easily burn through 1/2 - 3/4 gram in a few hours and not once get a euphoria, just keeps me from feeling like shit. does this mean my tolerance is that high? hell it takes me 60+mg of oxymorphone snorted to get a euphoria.
and I never nod anymore. Used to.. not anymore.
I got 10 stamps from a couple vendors and did one.. nothing.. two more... nothing however in a much better mood. in a matter of 2-3 hours I would have snorted all 10 stamps.
I need some insight on this.
@junjo I have seen WAY more bad shit happen with pharma shit as well. compared to heroin anyway.
I can think of a dozen or more drugs that are WAY worse then Heroin. I actually could see living the rest of my life on a regular heroin regimen. Hell look at Leonardo da Vinci - this dude was on opium for much of his life and look how well he did. Edgar Cayce was on opiates and he did good.
My point is if you can control it, you can live life happy.
I've noticed the exact same thing with snorting heroin. It just makes me tired and almost a bit depressed. Back in the day when I snorted, I would be disappointed every damn time, and just keep taking more until I puked and fell asleep. My ROA of choice for H is plugging, regardless of the stigma associated with it. I get a lot more euphoria through that method, and I think it's a hell lot less gross than sticking a needle into yourself. For other opiates like Oxy and Hydro, I'll always just eat them. Nothing really to be gained from snorting filler when they already have great bioavailabilities.
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@junjo good, I am not the only one.
I like eating oxy80s and hydros too, but when it comes to opanas I have to snort, long as it is a IR.
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@junjo good, I am not the only one.
I like eating oxy80s and hydros too, but when it comes to opanas I have to snort, long as it is a IR.
I've actually never tried opana because they're so god damn expensive, but I have to at some point, considering I've heard many say it's the most euphoric drug they've ever done
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@junjo good, I am not the only one.
I like eating oxy80s and hydros too, but when it comes to opanas I have to snort, long as it is a IR.
I've actually never tried opana because they're so god damn expensive, but I have to at some point, considering I've heard many say it's the most euphoric drug they've ever done
absolutely!
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My ROA of choice for H is plugging, regardless of the stigma associated with it.
Indulge me into the best method of plugging it?
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My ROA of choice for H is plugging, regardless of the stigma associated with it.
Indulge me into the best method of plugging it?
I was quite appaled by it at first, but it's actually very easy and so much nicer than snorting. Can't speak for IVing since I'm terrified of needles though.
Basically, I use a 5 mL plastic medicine dropper (kinda looks like a miniature turkey baster) that i bought from walgreens for a whopping 5 bucks
I take my H (this works with tar or #4) and swish it back and forth in 5 mLs of warm water in the dropper until it is completely dissolved
Next (the most important part), cover the syringe in lotion or lube, whatever you've got lyring around, as it makes the next step WAY easier
Now, insert the dropper full of your Heroin/Water solution slowly into you-know-where, wiggling it back and forth, until you're sure it's about 4-5 inches deep.
Lay down on your stomach so the bulb is upright, and squeeze all the contents out, holding the bulb down so you don't accidentally suck the liquid back in
Hold this in place for about 30 seconds, then slowly maneuver the dropper out and put it on a paper towel to your side
Continue to lay down for 10-20 minutes to let the H completely absorb, and feel the wonderful rush of it without ever having to touch a needle.
Once you're feeling it, feel free to get up, as it's not going to come spilling out your ass.
And there ya go, that's how to plug heroin.
Make sure to sanitize the syringe with rubbing alcohol and soapy water after each use (even though it's really not too concerning, considering it's your own bacteria you're dealing with).
That's pretty much all there i too it.
If you do it right (LUBE!!!), it's completely painless, miles safer than shooting up, and gives you a slow, but pronounced rush that's far better than snorting.
I think that's pretty much the extent of it, feel free to ask me questions if you'd like.
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Now, insert the dropper full of your Heroin/Water solution slowly into you-know-where, wiggling it back and forth, until you're sure it's about 4-5 inches deep.
Thank you for the detailed method, it was sounding really simple up until the point where it needs to go 4-5 inches deep.
I've never even though about shoving something that deep into my asshole.
Which is probably a good thing...
I'm not a fan of needles either - but will most likely try sniffing first.
Then plugging later on, once I get the courage and the anal fortitude.
Vanquish
Recently acquired enough Heroin to probably the next 2 years.
Just really worried I may develop a habit and that 2 years may dissolve into 2 weeks.
I was tired of spending 10 dollars each on Hydrocodone, I'd rather sniff some heroin or eat some MXE for pain relief.
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Now, insert the dropper full of your Heroin/Water solution slowly into you-know-where, wiggling it back and forth, until you're sure it's about 4-5 inches deep.
Thank you for the detailed method, it was sounding really simple up until the point where it needs to go 4-5 inches deep.
I've never even though about shoving something that deep into my asshole.
Which is probably a good thing...
I'm not a fan of needles either - but will most likely try sniffing first.
Then plugging later on, once I get the courage and the anal fortitude.
Vanquish
Recently acquired enough Heroin to probably the next 2 years.
Just really worried I may develop a habit and that 2 years may dissolve into 2 weeks.
I was tired of spending 10 dollars each on Hydrocodone, I'd rather sniff some heroin or eat some MXE for pain relief.
Sorry if the 4-5 inches thing made it sound scary. Your anus will remain intact, trust me. I never shoved anything up my ass until i attempted plugging, and the learning curve is actually quite small. The actual dropper itself is quite small, and as long as you lube it up, it slips right in without feeling violated in the slightest. Here's the equipment I use. 3 bucks but it works fantastically. http://www.walgreens.com/store/c/walgreens-medicine-dropper-and-spoon/ID=prod6001630-product
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Now, insert the dropper full of your Heroin/Water solution slowly into you-know-where, wiggling it back and forth, until you're sure it's about 4-5 inches deep.
Thank you for the detailed method, it was sounding really simple up until the point where it needs to go 4-5 inches deep.
I've never even though about shoving something that deep into my asshole.
Which is probably a good thing...
I'm not a fan of needles either - but will most likely try sniffing first.
Then plugging later on, once I get the courage and the anal fortitude.
Vanquish
Recently acquired enough Heroin to probably the next 2 years.
Just really worried I may develop a habit and that 2 years may dissolve into 2 weeks.
I was tired of spending 10 dollars each on Hydrocodone, I'd rather sniff some heroin or eat some MXE for pain relief.
Oh, and as I said earlier in the thread, sniffing is extremely underwhelming. The reason I keep going back to plugging is because the euphoria is easily twice as good.
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Sorry if the 4-5 inches thing made it sound scary. Your anus will remain intact, trust me. I never shoved anything up my ass until i attempted plugging, and the learning curve is actually quite small. The actual dropper itself is quite small, and as long as you lube it up, it slips right in without feeling violated in the slightest. Here's the equipment I use. 3 bucks but it works fantastically. http://www.walgreens.com/store/c/walgreens-medicine-dropper-and-spoon/ID=prod6001630-product
So just for reference this would be pretty deep, way beyond just the outside part of the anus?
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Oh, and as I said earlier in the thread, sniffing is extremely underwhelming. The reason I keep going back to plugging is because the euphoria is easily twice as good.
Oral is by far my favorite ROA for most substances.
My nose has consumed way too much filler and product over the years to be effective each and every day in and day out.
Plus for some reason I get much higher using my left nostril, so it's exclusively used almost.
Sometimes I go overboard and sniff way too hard and fast.
Pretty sure that's dangerous because I could be getting particles into my lungs especially with glass.
I need to slow it down and snort slower and let the mucus membranes do their work.
Here is the heroin I ordered, have no idea on the quality - but couldn't pass up the offer as I will only be using it sparingly for extreme pain.
Hydrocodone is great for pain, just too expensive for my tastes. 5-10mg of H should be plenty for me, especially spaced out every few weeks to months.
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/item/fce520141e
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My ROA of choice for H is plugging, regardless of the stigma associated with it.
Indulge me into the best method of plugging it?
I was quite appaled by it at first, but it's actually very easy and so much nicer than snorting. Can't speak for IVing since I'm terrified of needles though.
Basically, I use a 5 mL plastic medicine dropper (kinda looks like a miniature turkey baster) that i bought from walgreens for a whopping 5 bucks
I take my H (this works with tar or #4) and swish it back and forth in 5 mLs of warm water in the dropper until it is completely dissolved
Next (the most important part), cover the syringe in lotion or lube, whatever you've got lyring around, as it makes the next step WAY easier
Now, insert the dropper full of your Heroin/Water solution slowly into you-know-where, wiggling it back and forth, until you're sure it's about 4-5 inches deep.
Lay down on your stomach so the bulb is upright, and squeeze all the contents out, holding the bulb down so you don't accidentally suck the liquid back in
Hold this in place for about 30 seconds, then slowly maneuver the dropper out and put it on a paper towel to your side
Continue to lay down for 10-20 minutes to let the H completely absorb, and feel the wonderful rush of it without ever having to touch a needle.
Once you're feeling it, feel free to get up, as it's not going to come spilling out your ass.
And there ya go, that's how to plug heroin.
Make sure to sanitize the syringe with rubbing alcohol and soapy water after each use (even though it's really not too concerning, considering it's your own bacteria you're dealing with).
That's pretty much all there i too it.
If you do it right (LUBE!!!), it's completely painless, miles safer than shooting up, and gives you a slow, but pronounced rush that's far better than snorting.
I think that's pretty much the extent of it, feel free to ask me questions if you'd like.
Wow, this was informative and hilarious at the same time.. thanks
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Sorry if the 4-5 inches thing made it sound scary. Your anus will remain intact, trust me. I never shoved anything up my ass until i attempted plugging, and the learning curve is actually quite small. The actual dropper itself is quite small, and as long as you lube it up, it slips right in without feeling violated in the slightest. Here's the equipment I use. 3 bucks but it works fantastically. http://www.walgreens.com/store/c/walgreens-medicine-dropper-and-spoon/ID=prod6001630-product
So just for reference this would be pretty deep, way beyond just the outside part of the anus?
Basically, around 4 inches is my general rule of thumb. My first attempts at plugging were massive failures because I was afraid to put it too deep just like you, and ended up spraying it all over myself instead. As long as you get it deep enough to release the contents of your syringe/dropper and have all of it enter your body, you're good.
Also, oral is a terrible ROA for heroin, which is why plugging or IV is the way to go. Even insufflation's bioavailability is pretty poor. And keep in mind that street heroin is ridiculously impure, so you'll probably end up taking a bit more than that for any real pain relief.
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My ROA of choice for H is plugging, regardless of the stigma associated with it.
Indulge me into the best method of plugging it?
I was quite appaled by it at first, but it's actually very easy and so much nicer than snorting. Can't speak for IVing since I'm terrified of needles though.
Basically, I use a 5 mL plastic medicine dropper (kinda looks like a miniature turkey baster) that i bought from walgreens for a whopping 5 bucks
I take my H (this works with tar or #4) and swish it back and forth in 5 mLs of warm water in the dropper until it is completely dissolved
Next (the most important part), cover the syringe in lotion or lube, whatever you've got lyring around, as it makes the next step WAY easier
Now, insert the dropper full of your Heroin/Water solution slowly into you-know-where, wiggling it back and forth, until you're sure it's about 4-5 inches deep.
Lay down on your stomach so the bulb is upright, and squeeze all the contents out, holding the bulb down so you don't accidentally suck the liquid back in
Hold this in place for about 30 seconds, then slowly maneuver the dropper out and put it on a paper towel to your side
Continue to lay down for 10-20 minutes to let the H completely absorb, and feel the wonderful rush of it without ever having to touch a needle.
Once you're feeling it, feel free to get up, as it's not going to come spilling out your ass.
And there ya go, that's how to plug heroin.
Make sure to sanitize the syringe with rubbing alcohol and soapy water after each use (even though it's really not too concerning, considering it's your own bacteria you're dealing with).
That's pretty much all there i too it.
If you do it right (LUBE!!!), it's completely painless, miles safer than shooting up, and gives you a slow, but pronounced rush that's far better than snorting.
I think that's pretty much the extent of it, feel free to ask me questions if you'd like.
Wow, this was informative and hilarious at the same time.. thanks
Thanks, I was actually considering making a separate thread on it, considering it's a great route of administration that tends to get disregarded because of how ridiculous it sounds. I'm a bit lazy right now though, maybe another day...
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My ROA of choice for H is plugging, regardless of the stigma associated with it.
Indulge me into the best method of plugging it?
I was quite appaled by it at first, but it's actually very easy and so much nicer than snorting. Can't speak for IVing since I'm terrified of needles though.
Basically, I use a 5 mL plastic medicine dropper (kinda looks like a miniature turkey baster) that i bought from walgreens for a whopping 5 bucks
I take my H (this works with tar or #4) and swish it back and forth in 5 mLs of warm water in the dropper until it is completely dissolved
Next (the most important part), cover the syringe in lotion or lube, whatever you've got lyring around, as it makes the next step WAY easier
Now, insert the dropper full of your Heroin/Water solution slowly into you-know-where, wiggling it back and forth, until you're sure it's about 4-5 inches deep.
Lay down on your stomach so the bulb is upright, and squeeze all the contents out, holding the bulb down so you don't accidentally suck the liquid back in
Hold this in place for about 30 seconds, then slowly maneuver the dropper out and put it on a paper towel to your side
Continue to lay down for 10-20 minutes to let the H completely absorb, and feel the wonderful rush of it without ever having to touch a needle.
Once you're feeling it, feel free to get up, as it's not going to come spilling out your ass.
And there ya go, that's how to plug heroin.
Make sure to sanitize the syringe with rubbing alcohol and soapy water after each use (even though it's really not too concerning, considering it's your own bacteria you're dealing with).
That's pretty much all there i too it.
If you do it right (LUBE!!!), it's completely painless, miles safer than shooting up, and gives you a slow, but pronounced rush that's far better than snorting.
I think that's pretty much the extent of it, feel free to ask me questions if you'd like.
Wow, this was informative and hilarious at the same time.. thanks
Thanks, I was actually considering making a separate thread on it, considering it's a great route of administration that tends to get disregarded because of how ridiculous it sounds. I'm a bit lazy right now though, maybe another day...
I hear ya. good read though. night bro
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Basically, around 4 inches is my general rule of thumb. My first attempts at plugging were massive failures because I was afraid to put it too deep just like you, and ended up spraying it all over myself instead. As long as you get it deep enough to release the contents of your syringe/dropper and have all of it enter your body, you're good.
Also, oral is a terrible ROA for heroin, which is why plugging or IV is the way to go. Even insufflation's bioavailability is pretty poor. And keep in mind that street heroin is ridiculously impure, so you'll probably end up taking a bit more than that for any real pain relief.
I've never stuck anything up my butt, but I've always been intrigued by plugging for it's ROA benefits.
Even with lube though it seems like something that would be very uncomfortable.
Then again sticking a needle in your arm probably hurts way more.
Snorting Meth is like burning your membranes apart instantly, love the rush and quick onset though.
Plus it saved my life.
Really I don't plan on dabbling in hardcore drugs, but I do want to keep them locked away - for any emergency's.
Since doctors have gotten to the point where it's impossible to score anything worthwhile. Especially high potency opiates.
It's not worth the trouble in my honest opinion, and yes I'm well aware of Heroins BA's.
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I've never tried opiates plugged, butt maybe some day when my veins are all gone.......
Works great for MDMA, though, way better than eating. I never get an upset stomach either and don't even think of my stomach anymore. You have to get anything you want to absorb from plugging into a liquid, it would be really inefficient (and probably take a long time) to just put some sold material up there, your butt isn't there to digest anything, solid material would probably just sit there.
As far as opiates and health, the traditional opiates, opium, morphine, heroin, and the other semi-synthetic opiates too, they don't hurt you at all. The effect is all on the brain, and on the lower intestine. Really bad constipation can be really bad, it can be much worse than merely 'uncomfortable'. Like the others above say, it's the needles, and the cutters (they used to cut heroin with quinine (like tonic water, I guess) and quinine isn't good for you at least by IV. They've cut heroin with some bad shit over the years.
I heard that a lot operations are done under fentanyl, that it's better is some ways.
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Basically, around 4 inches is my general rule of thumb. My first attempts at plugging were massive failures because I was afraid to put it too deep just like you, and ended up spraying it all over myself instead. As long as you get it deep enough to release the contents of your syringe/dropper and have all of it enter your body, you're good.
Also, oral is a terrible ROA for heroin, which is why plugging or IV is the way to go. Even insufflation's bioavailability is pretty poor. And keep in mind that street heroin is ridiculously impure, so you'll probably end up taking a bit more than that for any real pain relief.
I've never stuck anything up my butt, but I've always been intrigued by plugging for it's ROA benefits.
Even with lube though it seems like something that would be very uncomfortable.
Then again sticking a needle in your arm probably hurts way more.
Snorting Meth is like burning your membranes apart instantly, love the rush and quick onset though.
Plus it saved my life.
Really I don't plan on dabbling in hardcore drugs, but I do want to keep them locked away - for any emergency's.
Since doctors have gotten to the point where it's impossible to score anything worthwhile. Especially high potency opiates.
It's not worth the trouble in my honest opinion, and yes I'm well aware of Heroins BA's.
You don't have to answer and it is off topic so maybe pm me but how did meth save your life?
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This is of course purely anecdotal, but I have experienced some nasty lung issues associated with insufflating heroin #4. For one reason or another it has given me bronchitis or asthma type symptoms for days after a brief run. The severity has varied but when it is bad it is really bad for days.
I am pretty sure it has something to do with going to bed high and the respiratory depression that is natural from opioid use or more likely abuse.
I would call this a harmful side effect from opioids, but it will vary greatly from one individual to another.
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My ROA of choice for H is plugging, regardless of the stigma associated with it.
Indulge me into the best method of plugging it?
I was quite appaled by it at first, but it's actually very easy and so much nicer than snorting. Can't speak for IVing since I'm terrified of needles though.
Basically, I use a 5 mL plastic medicine dropper (kinda looks like a miniature turkey baster) that i bought from walgreens for a whopping 5 bucks
I take my H (this works with tar or #4) and swish it back and forth in 5 mLs of warm water in the dropper until it is completely dissolved
Next (the most important part), cover the syringe in lotion or lube, whatever you've got lyring around, as it makes the next step WAY easier
Now, insert the dropper full of your Heroin/Water solution slowly into you-know-where, wiggling it back and forth, until you're sure it's about 4-5 inches deep.
Lay down on your stomach so the bulb is upright, and squeeze all the contents out, holding the bulb down so you don't accidentally suck the liquid back in
Hold this in place for about 30 seconds, then slowly maneuver the dropper out and put it on a paper towel to your side
Continue to lay down for 10-20 minutes to let the H completely absorb, and feel the wonderful rush of it without ever having to touch a needle.
Once you're feeling it, feel free to get up, as it's not going to come spilling out your ass.
And there ya go, that's how to plug heroin.
Make sure to sanitize the syringe with rubbing alcohol and soapy water after each use (even though it's really not too concerning, considering it's your own bacteria you're dealing with).
That's pretty much all there i too it.
If you do it right (LUBE!!!), it's completely painless, miles safer than shooting up, and gives you a slow, but pronounced rush that's far better than snorting.
I think that's pretty much the extent of it, feel free to ask me questions if you'd like.
I'm in favor to agree up until the "you're sure it's about 4-5 inches deep." bit.
I used to plug mxe daily and you don't have to stick it 4-5 inches deep. Nor have to lay there (leaky bum?).
Although your clearly happy with your method, your making it sound a lot worse than it really is (mental image).
I'm not saying your wrong, but in my experience 2 inches is suffice. The appeal to me is that it's usually an effective ROA with a lot of drugs and it's generally a really quick onset in my experience. No more hold up because you have a blocked nose. :P
I'm personally glad I tried it. I was at a stage in my life where a needle was the next step I could make, something I didn't set out to do.
Luckily I was saved by this ROA allowing me time to change who I was, while still enjoying relativity strong effects.
I would recommend this ROA for drugs with a high bio availability in that area regardless. It's worth a try.
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Ask China about opium addiction... heroin is much much worse.
Stay away.
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Ask China about opium addiction... heroin is much much worse.
Stay away.
Well, playing the "Devil's Advocate", I could say, stay well clear from psychedelics, they can fuck your mind up (not quite as clear cut as the previous statement implies), (assuming you are an advocate of psychedelics, from your signature).
As the OP suggested, most of the harmful aspects of opiates is from certain RAO's and from the financial situation the user is forced into by virtue of their illegality, leading to the involvement of dubious characters in the trafficking of said substances, in order to make shed loads of dosh!
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I'd love to try it, honestly. Is snorting it very dangerous? Is SR heroin too strong for someone with no opiate tolerance?
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Now, insert the dropper full of your Heroin/Water solution slowly into you-know-where, wiggling it back and forth, until you're sure it's about 4-5 inches deep.
Thank you for the detailed method, it was sounding really simple up until the point where it needs to go 4-5 inches deep.
I've never even though about shoving something that deep into my asshole.
Which is probably a good thing...
I'm not a fan of needles either - but will most likely try sniffing first.
Then plugging later on, once I get the courage and the anal fortitude.
Vanquish
Recently acquired enough Heroin to probably the next 2 years.
Just really worried I may develop a habit and that 2 years may dissolve into 2 weeks.
I was tired of spending 10 dollars each on Hydrocodone, I'd rather sniff some heroin or eat some MXE for pain relief.
Interesting method. Quick question: Can you just mix the H in water based lube and insert? I don't know why it'd have to be 4-5 inches either, seeing as most suppositories don't go that high.
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My ROA of choice for H is plugging, regardless of the stigma associated with it.
Indulge me into the best method of plugging it?
You indulge yourself Vanquish, I'm not shoving anything up your ass! Nor does any body else on here, well.... apart from the odd few.....probably...! lol
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My ROA of choice for H is plugging, regardless of the stigma associated with it.
Indulge me into the best method of plugging it?
You indulge yourself Vanquish, I'm not shoving anything up your ass! Nor does any body else on here, well.... apart from the odd few.....probably...! lol
I'm sure the nurse - (and the new Mrs. Vanquish) will give him a helping hand. (And a finger and thumb). It might even go from plugging H and into a sexy fisting sesh. You know what they say Van...what starts with two fingers always ends in five... ;)
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Now, insert the dropper full of your Heroin/Water solution slowly into you-know-where, wiggling it back and forth, until you're sure it's about 4-5 inches deep.
Thank you for the detailed method, it was sounding really simple up until the point where it needs to go 4-5 inches deep.
I've never even though about shoving something that deep into my asshole.
Which is probably a good thing...
I'm not a fan of needles either - but will most likely try sniffing first.
Then plugging later on, once I get the courage and the anal fortitude.
Vanquish
"Anal fortitude" he he he, you do have a way with words! I always look forward to your posts Vanq, I love a little giggle in the morning, it sets me up for the day! I'll have to write that one down, I have a little list of phrases and quotes I've picked up here and there, one of my favourite H quotes is from William Burroughs and is quite apt for this thread:
"spectral janitors, grey as ashes, phantom porters sweeping out dusty halls with a slow old man's hand, coughing and spitting in the junk-sick dawn"
Keep it up mate, and don't get too carried away with this "veritable smorgasbord" of lovely drugs we have here, remember, moderation in all things, will take you a lot further! By the way, I pinched the smorgasbord of drugs from somebodies post in another thread, I just added the "veritable", but I thought it was a most apt description of SR!
By the way, I've been keeping my promise of a few +1s mate. That was the best thread I've read on here, hilarious! Drugs and chuckles, best combo in the world!
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On a serious note, (apologies to OP for turning his thought provoking thread into a "Carry On [Camping???? (Apt one in the series to choose, he he he)]" routine, possibly the most crass comedy films in British comedy films' history).
I've never had much success with plugging H, more to do with the "Devil" methadone's interference in my receptors, more than anything else, but, I swear by plugging coke, unfortunately, my veins are well fucked up (wish I had the internet in those days, to learn about vein valves, etc, and the correct way to jack up, but, hey ho, "No use in crying over spilt milk", so plugging is my only option, if I want a proper blaster (never "rung bells" with this RAO, though). I've been meaning to get a oral syringe for a while now, but usually, I just use a 2 mil works (without needle, obviously), good idea with the lube, I usually just spit on it, but it can still be a bit uncomfortable, one thing I do do, is, always hold the syringe vertically, and make sure I've got a good bubble of air in it (keeping the works vertical insures that the last thing to come out of the works, is the bubble of air- insuring none of the precious elixir is left in the nozzle (obviously, this is not something one should do when I.V ing, as it can kill you, but having said that, it does take a lot of air, in my bad days, when I couldn't find a vein, the works would be full of blood, and all frothy with air in it, but it still went in when I finally found a suitable injection point, without killing me). I only put it in about 2 inches, I read somewhere, that that was the best place due to good blood supply, and avoiding any stray shit, further up the passage, from absorbing the solution. As far as I can see, it's a win, win situation with plugging, as long as you're not using it more than a couple of times a week, and not putting too caustic forms of drugs up there!
The classic example of the benign qualities of heroin, at least in Britain, is a 70 or 80 year old lady, who has taken it for much of her adult life (prescribed by her doctor after an operation, if my memory serves me correctly)- unfortunately, I can't find the actual details, but she is always rolled out as an example in various documentaries, at least, the ones that don't aim to perpetuate the untruths about drugs! She is one of a number of people who have had the great fortune, not to have to rely on black market drugs, not that their use came about from the seeking of pleasure, purely medicinal, of course, lol. One of these examples, at least, injected, and compared it to diabetics; properly administered, using pharmaceutical grade heroin/morphine, the problems of collapsed veins etc, not being an issue!
On another note, just want to apologize to you, Remediless, for not getting back to you, mate, I wrote two replies, but each time I lost the connection and gave up, by the time Tor was behaving, it seemed a bit late, so, just to let you know I wasn't being ignorant, lol.
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Farkin hell I hear that. My veins are razed from using citric back in the day. If ONLY I'd had SR in the 90's. I agree that Vanquish is pure comedy and don't worry about not writing back, can't remember what I was going on about now, I was probably trashed. *Coughs*.
As far as long-term drug use goes OP; if you're SENSIBLE with H (see above) it's far less dangerous than a lot of drugs and if I had to pick a heroin addiction or an alcohol one I would choose a dance with Lady H every time.
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Some people can get urinary problems. I was having urinary problems while using - I had to pee but had trouble getting going and then keeping up the flow. I looked it up and it looks like it is an associated problem with heroin use :/
Plus there's the opiate itch. I get pretty itchy
That's very common when you have no tolerance, it's actually a sign that it's damn good H! It's not a problem or harmful, as soon as you come down from your high, it'll go away, I'm not sur of the exact medical mechanisms involved, but I guess it's just the H relaxing your bladder muscles too much. As for the itch, it's basically the same as an allergic reaction, caused by a flood of histamines, hay fever tablets (anti-histamines) are said to relieve this, but it's never bothered me to the extent that I'd take something for it, neither effects are harmful, they are just transitory reactions to the H.
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Great informative post. I believe most of the heroin propaganda is being kept alive because when people look at all the junkies on the street they see physically broken people. This is simply because they lack all the other essentials such as basic nutrition, etc.. A vitamin deficit can cause a shitload of problems.
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Interesting method.
Junjo's method worked extremely well.
Here is my excerpt that I posted in the Beginner's Guide to Plugging Thread.
This was posted 3-4 days after my "anal fortitude" quote - and it truly shows the strength and vigor of my anus.
It's truly a miraculous butthole, what else can I say?
"Let me go ahead and say that I've ALWAYS had a stigma about plugging.
Then again I've always hated needles.
After trying this method last night, I really don't see any reason to main line anything.
Absolutely no discomfort, onset was exactly as described.
8-15mg of powder was MORE than enough, and it knocked me out for 12 hours and I finally got some sleep.
Thank god, and I'd do this in the future with anything else that has shitty oral or nasal bio-availability.
Snorting is more expensive, and really the only advantage I see is convenience or when you're on the go.
If you are at home, this is the method you absolutely want to use."
Vanquish
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Interesting method.
Junjo's method worked extremely well.
Here is my excerpt that I posted in the Beginner's Guide to Plugging Thread.
This was posted 3-4 days after my "anal fortitude" quote - and it truly shows the strength and vigor of my anus.
It's truly a miraculous butthole, what else can I say?
"Let me go ahead and say that I've ALWAYS had a stigma about plugging.
Then again I've always hated needles.
After trying this method last night, I really don't see any reason to main line anything.
Absolutely no discomfort, onset was exactly as described.
8-15mg of powder was MORE than enough, and it knocked me out for 12 hours and I finally got some sleep.
Thank god, and I'd do this in the future with anything else that has shitty oral or nasal bio-availability.
Snorting is more expensive, and really the only advantage I see is convenience or when you're on the go.
If you are at home, this is the method you absolutely want to use."
Vanquish
"Anal fortitude" lol. Got to love the guy! (Though not quite in the way that said "Anal fortitude" would suggest, lol) He he he!!!
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You just crack me up with some of your posts Vanc, Have another +1 on me.
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This is of course purely anecdotal, but I have experienced some nasty lung issues associated with insufflating heroin #4. For one reason or another it has given me bronchitis or asthma type symptoms for days after a brief run. The severity has varied but when it is bad it is really bad for days.
I am pretty sure it has something to do with going to bed high and the respiratory depression that is natural from opioid use or more likely abuse.
I've noticed the lung issues myself as well...it seems that if I binge for a few days, my lungs get kind of irritated and I develop a semi-productive cough that will result with me coughing up some really nasty tasting tan/brown phlegm - maybe due to some stuff getting into your lungs while you snort...
Another thing that I've read about...some people think that the element thallium is finding its way into some heroin supplies. No one knows for sure where it comes from, some people think it's the CIA intentionally adding it in afghanistan trying to kill off users or something. It's kind of scary because there are recent citations backing this phenomenon up:
"Thallium poisoning: one additional and unexpected risk of heroin abuse."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22889036
(All I can find is the abstract)
http://www.deepdyve.com/lp/informa-healthcare/thallium-poisoning-one-additional-and-unexpected-risk-of-heroin-abuse-oKbb87J5Rx
Thallium, a naturally occurring trace element widely distributed at very low concentrations in the earthâs crust, is considered one of the most toxic heavy metals.1 Occasionally, thallium poisonings have been reported as result of suicide attempts, murders, or accidents.2 Most exposures occur after ingestion; however, poisonings have been reported after inhalation of contaminated dust, dermal absorption, and even the snorting of what was thought to be cocaine. To our best knowledge, cases due to intravenous selfinjection of illegal drugs contaminated with thallium have rarely been reported.3 Here we describe three cases of thallium toxicity in patients admitted to a hospital in Mashhad, Iran, for heroin addiction over a 2-month period. All three patients had a 10-year past history of heroin abuse. They lived in Mashhad city. Patients #1 and #2 were sister and brother, respectively, while no relation could be found with patient #3. Thallium intoxication was suspected despite the absence of any previously known occupational or environmental exposure.
And further...what sort of damage can result to your nose from snorting this stuff over long periods of time? I have heard that cocaine-hcl can actually lead to a slight build up for hydrochloric acid in your nose, which is why some people who use a lot of coke end up with ruptured septums and stuff, but i've not heard of anything like this specifically with heroin.
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Wow, I'm surprised to see that this thread is still alive.
Glad some of you appreciate my means of heroin ingestion, e.g. violating your own asshole to get your fix
Stay safe everyone