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Discussion => Philosophy, Economics and Justice => Topic started by: raynardine on January 26, 2013, 09:40 pm

Title: Dissident Intellectuals and the Prison Industry
Post by: raynardine on January 26, 2013, 09:40 pm
The pure unadulterated and well-documented fact that big government has become a multi-trillion dollar industry of lobbyists, fine wine, caviar, and whatnot only adds insult to injury when you consider the other side of that glitsy light-bulb encrusted facade.

The prison industry.

Not only are "undesirables" placed in a cold dank concrete cell against their will, they are placed there at taxpayer expense, supposedly for our own good.

"Drug dealers and crazy ax murderers should not be allowed to roam free out on the streets!" "Think of the children!"

You know, why don't we think of the children?

What abut Juvenile Detention Centers? Everyone knows that's "Prison for Children"

Why the fuck does this even exist?

Why won't YOU think of the children? You know why? Because you're a politician who accepts taxpayer money, and spends it on keeping children behind bars.

The fact that not only does Juvenile Detention Centers exist, but there are a great many of them, and almost certainly private versions of this as well.

Normally, I would not object to privatization, since I loath government in all of its forms, however, handing off contracts to corporate welfarist types by way of corporate entitlement programs like that are even MORE abhorrent to me.

The kind of of Corporate Entitlement I speak of is often regarded with deep loathing by the name of SOPA / PIPA and the Arrogance of Motion Picture Industry.

MPAA and RIAA are the perfect examples of Corporate Entitlement I've ever seen, and it makes me sick in ways I did not realize I was capable of experiencing.

Similar to this phenomenon is the concept of Statutory Rape.

I can not personally consider the disgust I feel when cold blooded murderers get 4 years in prison, while peaceful and responsible marijuana vendors get 24 years in prison, without also considering the concept of Statutory Rape.

You know how in some territories of the United States, two young lovers both aged 16 will be charged with "raping each other"?

If not, I'm sure your country has committed similar misdeeds.

There is also the tale of woe by a 13 year old young male who has few friends, but found someone who he wanted to be with over the Internet, and talked the older individual into spending the night with him.

The 13 year old's lesbian mother, who normally neglects him, was suddenly protective and self-righteous, and informed the police of that region that this was not her responsibility, that she did everything she was supposed to do.

After painful and invasive examination, "For Evidence," and repeated interrogation for months, eventually the young 13 year old cracked, and divulged the name of the young man he asked to join him in bed to the so-called authorities.

They then charged the young man with statutory rape, even though it was the younger party who insisted on it!

It was entirely consensual, and the younger party is considered by nearly all adults he knows "very mature for his age."

You call that Justice?

You call any of this Justice?

I have not even begin describing the kind of true sodomy practiced between the "authorities" and the Mexican drug cartels.

I do not mind honest and principled business, and I am very pro-Capitalist, however, when one marries the "corporation" with the State and perverts principles of economics and fair business practice with this kind of hateful deceptive and fraudulent practice, it makes me long for expensive automatic firearms and gushing fountains of blood.

Title: Re: Dissident Intellectuals and the Prison Industry
Post by: hoobydoobydoo on January 27, 2013, 05:47 am
The prison system is fucked.  It is a scam to make lobbyists and politicians more money through the privatized prisons.

Just as everything else in the US, it is totally corrupt.
Title: Re: Dissident Intellectuals and the Prison Industry
Post by: nanpa2001 on January 27, 2013, 09:01 am
Mao Zedong's most important political insight was that "political power grows out of the barrel of a gun".

That the state can imprison people that have harmed no one, such as drug users and sellers, shows the incredible, violent power of the state.
Title: Re: Dissident Intellectuals and the Prison Industry
Post by: raynardine on January 27, 2013, 08:08 pm
I do not believe in any "Prison System."

When socialist-bent individuals speak of corruption, they think that Capitalism and Anarchy are the true evils, and that government is a good thing somehow.

NO.

Most people on the Internet, and Silk Road by extension, have never read Economics in One Lesson, they barely know who Von Mises is.

I know with a reasonable level of confidence that no one here has read the articles posted at http://mises.org/ (Mises Institute)

It makes me sad, because true anarchist capitalism is not about all-powerful multinational corporations, it is about doing business with people in a fair market, rather than shooting people and taking their farms, lands, property, and children from them, and that sort of brigandry.

True anarchist capitalism is perverted by the State, and turned into something that says it wants to allow people to change their circumstances and become financially successful, but taxes your left arm, right leg, and firstborn child, instead.

Taxes should not exist.

Prisons should not exist.

Guns will not cease existing, so everyone should have guns, including young children and eccentric old men.

Political power does stem from the barrel of a gun, so the only way to achieve true equality is to ensure all people have them.
Title: Re: Dissident Intellectuals and the Prison Industry
Post by: hoobydoobydoo on January 27, 2013, 08:50 pm
If you believe that prions should not exist - how do you propose dealing with convicted murderers and rapists?  Just death penalty?
Title: Re: Dissident Intellectuals and the Prison Industry
Post by: raynardine on January 27, 2013, 09:13 pm
If you believe that prions should not exist - how do you propose dealing with convicted murderers and rapists?  Just death penalty?

How do you define "murder"? How do you define "rape"?

If you mean defiling a young woman as rape, it is the responsibility of the young woman's family to  handle that.

If a young woman has no family, he is her responsibility to protect herself, not the government's.

If a person is cause by a protective organization that is not the government, and the person is a current and active threat, such as a proven serial killer, then you should allow the family of those that person killed to shoot him.

If they are too cowardly to shoot him, then you kill him, but only if that person is highly likely to kill additional people.

How is it so difficult for socialists to understand that government is unnecessary?

A "Justice" system is worse than letting serial killers and serial rapists go free.
Title: Re: Dissident Intellectuals and the Prison Industry
Post by: hoobydoobydoo on January 27, 2013, 09:47 pm
You are welcome to think what you like, but I disagree with everything you just said.  It is extremely blind and shortsighted.

Trading a society of laws for ones where criminals run free and violent people are the powerful ones is not ideal in any sense.  Not only that, but the people who have real money int his world already would be able to do whatever they want - because they would just hire thugs and criminals to do whatever they wanted and keep anyone dangerous away from them.

The only people with extra freedom in your suggested anarchist world are criminals.  It would be a world of organized crime on a massive scale.

Obviously you are probably like minded to these criminals so it makes sense to you.  Doesn't to me.

Good luck.
Title: Re: Dissident Intellectuals and the Prison Industry
Post by: raynardine on January 29, 2013, 03:41 pm
You are welcome to think what you like, but I disagree with everything you just said.  It is extremely blind and shortsighted.

Statist Pig.

Trading a society of laws for ones where criminals run free and violent people are the powerful ones is not ideal in any sense.

Ha! You think our society is not run by criminals? You think a "Society of Laws" is a good thing?

I don't need your approval, brat.

Not only that, but the people who have real money int his world already would be able to do whatever they want - because they would just hire thugs and criminals to do whatever they wanted and keep anyone dangerous away from them.

The problem is if rich people would be fine regardless, where does this leave us?

A young independent black woman walks down a dark alley.

She gets beaten, raped, mugged, and finally killed.

Her family calls their Justice Insurance Company, who in turn calls a Private Defense Agency.

The investigators of that defense agency finds who raped and murdered the young black woman, and brings those individuals to her family, who proceed to shoot them.

Nothing is going to bring dead people back to life. The deed is done.

The only thing that will keep criminals from doing whatever they want is fear.

You think criminals fear anything in a "Society of Laws"? THEY RUN THE FUCKING SOCIETY!

The only people with extra freedom in your suggested anarchist world are criminals.  It would be a world of organized crime on a massive scale.

Obviously you are probably like minded to these criminals so it makes sense to you.  Doesn't to me.

Good luck.

What a macaroon. This is a world of organized crime on a massive scale. The only difference in my "Anarchist World" would be that the criminals are shot to death, rather than hiding behind a system of false justice.
Title: Re: Dissident Intellectuals and the Prison Industry
Post by: hoobydoobydoo on January 29, 2013, 05:04 pm
Raynardine, again and again all you seem to prove in the countless threads you keep creating on this exact same subject is that you have a HUGE ego and you believe the world should be run by your kind and people like you should be the only free ones; the remaining people scared of others who are more violent than themselves.

Kudos to you.  Good luck in making it happen.

No point in debating with a sociopathic narcissist. 
Title: Re: Dissident Intellectuals and the Prison Industry
Post by: raynardine on January 29, 2013, 08:44 pm
Raynardine, again and again all you seem to prove in the countless threads you keep creating on this exact same subject is that you have a HUGE ego

LOL, you probably work for the State. Dumbass.

and you believe the world should be run by your kind and people like you should be the only free ones;

Pussy.

the remaining people scared of others who are more violent than themselves.

Yeah, definitely a government cocksucker. You'll be the first to be shoved into a ditch and shot.

Kudos to you.  Good luck in making it happen.

I don't need your luck, loser.

No point in debating with a sociopathic narcissist.

If you think I'm sociopathic, I have a bridge to sell to you.


You know, people like this filth make me wonder about something.

If pathetic fucks like this guy are the reason government exists, doesn't that mean that they deserve all the shit that government does to them?

Have fun with your bastion of justice, hoobydoobydoo.
Title: Re: Dissident Intellectuals and the Prison Industry
Post by: Blerbadoo on January 29, 2013, 08:51 pm
Raynardine, what do you think of Robert Nozick's thought experiment that all political systems will eventually lead towards libertarianism?

For you what is the big difference between libertarianism and Anarchism? Do you really think people wish to have to protect themselves all the time? Protection agencies are pretty much minimalist governments IMO. Communities decide on their rules and need them enforced. People want to make their cash not worry about protecting it. It would be up to the community whether they want a prison system,execution system, exile, etc.

Also, Raynardine I believe it was you who said you wanted SR to be a bastion of reason and harm reduction. One word replies of Pussy or calling someone a cocksucker doesn't make me feel all warm and fuzzy inside when it comes to a debate forum.
Title: Re: Dissident Intellectuals and the Prison Industry
Post by: raynardine on January 29, 2013, 09:21 pm
Raynardine, what do you think of Robert Nozick's thought experiment that all political systems will eventually lead towards libertarianism?

I have not read that yet, I need to.

For you what is the big difference between libertarianism and Anarchism? Do you really think people wish to have to protect themselves all the time?

I wish it were not necessary, but violent people exist, and must be dealt with. The idea of toll roads and private defense agencies is mostly a matter of keeping things honest and financially stable.

Protection agencies are pretty much minimalist governments IMO. Communities decide on their rules and need them enforced. People want to make their cash not worry about protecting it. It would be up to the community whether they want a prison system,execution system, exile, etc.

And that is fine. If there are communities that want a small-scale communism, that's fine too. I would just refuse to live in those communities.

The problem is with global-scale governments enforcing their crap on me, and taking the choice away from me.

If it's on a local scale, then I have the choice to live there or not.

On a national scale, they make it as difficult as possible to move where I want to.

Also, Raynardine I believe it was you who said you wanted SR to be a bastion of reason and harm reduction. One word replies of Pussy or calling someone a cocksucker doesn't make me feel all warm and fuzzy inside when it comes to a debate forum.

It doesn't make me feel warm and fuzzy inside when I'm called a narcissistic sociopath, either. However, this is an anonymous forum, so yeah.

I don't really think SR will become that bastion of reason and harm reduction, simply because there is not enough diversity here.

I'm among, what? 3 people total who understands economics?

Not only that, I'm still reading and learning and studying, so I cannot give the arguments in favor of economic and financial strength that need to be said.
Title: Re: Dissident Intellectuals and the Prison Industry
Post by: hoobydoobydoo on January 29, 2013, 10:43 pm
I'm among, what? 3 people total who understands economics?

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Keep sucking your own dick loser.  Maybe you will do us all a favor and break your neck.

Title: Re: Dissident Intellectuals and the Prison Industry
Post by: raynardine on January 30, 2013, 12:00 am
I'm among, what? 3 people total who understands economics?

Keep sucking your own dick loser.  Maybe you will do us all a favor and break your neck.

This, my pupils, is an example of willing ignorance.

This is what you sound like when you choose to ignore facts.

Facts such as the fact that I meant "3 people among those are Silk Road."

Or, hoobtdoobydoo, are you implying that Silk Road denizens are all a bunch of Economics Doctors?
Title: Re: Dissident Intellectuals and the Prison Industry
Post by: hoobydoobydoo on January 30, 2013, 12:22 am
You seem to be good at three things "oh Raynardine"

Stroking your own Ego

Calling people names

Imagining a reality that could never exist on this earth, one in which you can continually stroke your ego and call people names and shoot the ones who talk back.

Who the fuck are you to know how many economists are on the road.  You don't know anything.

Yah I am a state employee. You totally pegged me.   ;D ;D ;D ;D

Again, as I stated before, there is no point for debate with a sociopathic narcissist.

So let's just have fun and call each other names.  Wheeeeeeeee
Title: Re: Dissident Intellectuals and the Prison Industry
Post by: raynardine on January 30, 2013, 12:24 am
Yah I am a state employee. You totally pegged me.   ;D ;D ;D ;D

I would honestly be surprised.

You are not intelligent enough even for the jobs they give away on the taxpayer's back.

Anyway, this thread is dead, locking.