Silk Road forums
Market => Rumor mill => Topic started by: Huxlay on April 16, 2012, 10:26 pm
-
Hey everyone TFM has been busted they busted about 10-20 people, shit is pretty fucked up all i gots to be saying! It is still open you can log in and buy shit. DO NOT BUY ANYTHING OR YOU RISK GETTING YOUR DOOR KICKED IN. be careful and good luck!
LE is aware so be on your toes. Stay safe
Here the link
www.wftv.com/ap/ap/crime/8-arrests-in-international-online-narcotics-market/nMZy9/
-
yeh crazy shit, another reason for me to be paranoid lol
-
Press release:
------Original Message------
From: U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration <dea@govdelivery.com>
To: <guyperea@rocketmail.com>
Date: Monday, April 16, 2012 4:36:11 PM GMT-0500
Subject: CREATORS AND OPERATORS OF ONLINE NARCOTICS MARKETPLACE ON THE TOR NETWORK ARRESTED ON FIRST OF ITS KIND FEDERAL INDICTMENT CHARGING DRUG TRAFFICKING IN 50 STATES AND 24 COUNTRIES
banner FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Contact: DEA Los Angeles Field Division
(213) 621-6848
Press Release
*CREATORS AND OPERATORS OF ONLINE NARCOTICS MARKETPLACE ON THE TOR NETWORK ARRESTED ON FIRST OF ITS KIND FEDERAL INDICTMENT CHARGING DRUG TRAFFICKING IN 50 STATES AND 24 COUNTRIES*
LOS ANGELES - Federal, state, and international law enforcement authorities have arrested eight people who all face federal drug trafficking and money laundering charges stemming from their creation and operation of a secret online narcotics market place – known as the "The Farmer's Market" – which sold a variety of controlled substances to approximately 3,000 customers in 50 states and 24 countries.
This morning, law enforcement authorities in Lelystad, Netherlands, this morning arrested the lead defendant, Marc Willems, at his home. Yesterday, law enforcement officials in Bogota, Colombia, arrested the second defendant, Michael Evron, a U.S. citizen who lives in Argentina, as he was attempting to leave Colombia. The remaining defendants, Jonathan Colbeck, Brian Colbeck, Ryan Rawls, Jonathan Dugan, George Matzek and Charles Bigras were arrested at their respective homes in Iowa, Michigan, Georgia, New York, New Jersey and Florida.
The 66-page indictment, which was unsealed today, was the result of "Operation Adam Bomb," a two-year investigation led by agents of the Drug Enforcement Administration's (DEA) Los Angeles Field Division, with significant assistance by the Netherlands Regional Police Force Flevoland, prosecutors from the International Legal Assistance Center North East Netherlands, U.S. Department of Justice's Office of International Affairs, the DEA's country office in Hague, and the U.S. Postal Service The arrests of the defendants took place due to the cooperation and assistance of the Scottish Crime and Drug Enforcement Agency, the Colombian Central Directorate of the Judicial Police and Intelligence, Migracion Colombia, the U.S. Postal Inspection Service, and federal/state/local authorities in New York, Iowa, Georgia, Florida, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, Michigan and New Jersey.
"The drug trafficking organization targeted in Operation Adam Bomb was distributing dangerous and addictive drugs to every corner of the world, and trying to hide their activities through the use of advanced anonymizing on-line technology," said Briane M. Grey, DEA Acting Special Agent in Charge. "Today's action should send a clear message to organizations that are using technology to conduct criminal activity that the DEA and our law enforcement partners will track them down and bring them to justice."
"Illegal narcotics trafficking now reaches every corner of our world, including our home computers," said U.S. Attorney for the Central District of California André Birotte Jr., whose office is handling the prosecution of the case. "But the reach of the law is just as long, and the Department of Justice will work with its partners, both nationally and internationally, to bring narcotics traffickers to justice, wherever they may hide. Working together, we want to make the Internet a safe and secure marketplace by rooting out and prosecuting those persons who seek to illegally pervert and exploit that market."
The 12-count indictment charges that each of the defendants was a member of a conspiracy to distribute a variety of controlled substances worldwide through the use of online marketplaces that allowed independent sources of supply to anonymously advertise illegal drugs for sale to the public. According to the indictment, the operators of the online marketplaces provided a controlled substances storefront, order forms, online forums, customer service, and payment methods for the different sources of supply. For customers, the operators screened all sources of supply and guaranteed delivery of the illegal drugs. The online marketplaces handled all communications between the sources of supply and customers. For these services, the operators charged a commission based upon the value of the order Customers of the on-line marketplaces have been identified in every U.S. state and the District of Columbia and in approximately 34 other countries. There were thousands of registered users of the online marketplaces. The on-line marketplaces have multiple sources of supply offering various controlled substances, including lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD), MDMA (ecstasy), fentanyl, mescaline, ketamine, DMT and high-end marijuana. Between January 2007 and October 2009 alone, defendants Willems and Evron processed approximately 5,256 online orders for controlled substances valued at approximately $1,041,244 via the online controlled substances marketplaces.
As alleged in the indictment, the "Farmers Market", previously known as "Adamflowers", operated on the TOR network. According to the indictment, TOR is a circuit of encrypted connections through relays on the TOR network that can be downloaded on home computers. TOR allows websites and electronic mail communications to mask IP address information by spreading communications over a series of computers, or relays, located throughout the world. The online marketplaces have accepted Western Union, Pecunix, PayPal, I-Golder, and cash as payment for illegal drug sales.
According to investigators, this drug trafficking organization (DTO) attempted to operate online in secrecy, utilizing the TOR network, IP anonymizers, and covert currency transactions; but investigators were able to infiltrate the DTO and its technology during the course of the investigation.
Those arrested were:
* Marc Willems, 42, a Dutch citizen living in Lelystad, Netherlands
* Michael Evron, 42, a U.S. citizen living in Buenos Aires, Argentina
* Jonathan Colbeck, 51, of Urbana, Iowa
* Brian Colbeck, 47, of Coldwater, Mich.
* Ryan Rawls, 31, of Alpharetta, Ga.
* Jonathan Dugan, 27, of North Babylon, N.Y.
* George Matzek, 20, of Secaucus, N.J.
* Charles Bigras, 37, of Melbourne, Fla.
An indictment contains allegations that a defendant has committed a crime. Every defendant is presumed to be innocent until proven guilty in court.
Each of the defendants is charged with conspiracy to distribute controlled substances, which carries a maximum sentence of imprisonment for life, and money laundering conspiracy, which carries a maximum sentence of 20 years imprisonment. Defendants Willems, Evron, Jonathan Colbeck, Brian Colbeck, and Rawls are also charged with the distribution of LSD, which carries a maximum sentence of imprisonment for life. Finally, defendants Willems and Evron are charged with participating in a continuing criminal enterprise, which carries a maximum sentence of imprisonment for life and a 20-year mandatory minimum sentence.
In addition to those named in the indictment, authorities arrested seven other people this morning (two in the Netherlands, one in Atlanta, two in New Hampshire, one in Pennsylvania and one in New Jersey). During the course of the arrests made in this case, federal agents and local law enforcement officers also seized substances identified as hashish, LSD and MDMA, as well as an indoor psychotropic mushroom grow, and three indoor marijuana grows.
Scary shit that they caught a fellow Dutchy. I wonder if they cracked Tor or that they just social engineered themselves in.
-
"The online marketplaces have accepted Western Union, Pecunix, PayPal, I-Golder, and cash as payment for illegal drug sales. "
Here is the smoking gun in all of this. I mean what the fuck, Paypal, WU and Cash as payment options? They pretty much put a big red flashing light on top their heads that said "hey look at me". I'm curious about the cash however- where they actually meeting buyers in person thus disclosing identities and locations? Sad that they got busted, but the fact they took the time to use TOR only to disregard it's anonymity by taking traceable payments is why these guys got pinched. Pretty much snitched on themselves.
-
Press release:
------Original Message------
From: U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration <dea@govdelivery.com>
To: <guyperea@rocketmail.com>
Date: Monday, April 16, 2012 4:36:11 PM GMT-0500
Subject: CREATORS AND OPERATORS OF ONLINE NARCOTICS MARKETPLACE ON THE TOR NETWORK ARRESTED ON FIRST OF ITS KIND FEDERAL INDICTMENT CHARGING DRUG TRAFFICKING IN 50 STATES AND 24 COUNTRIES
Scary shit that they caught a fellow Dutchy. I wonder if they cracked Tor or that they just social engineered themselves in.
Apparently they have been keeping records of there emails since 2006 so they caught on a long time ago. Scary shit!
-
Oh fuck... I think I'm done with the SR after this week then. What was TFM selling?
Its The Farmers Market, not a SR seller.
-
Oh fuck... I think I'm done with the SR after this week then. What was TFM selling?
weed and psychs
-
There's no weed to stop buying from SR because of this. The people there acted stupidly. You do not accept non-anonymous payments. That was a totally stupid move and they're paying for it now. Bitcoin can't be touched so easily.
-
Jesus fuck, life for selling acid...
-
If you read the indictment most of the info gathered came from 2006-2010 before implementation of PGP.
The vendors were using Hushmail which turned over emails.
This was a prolonged investigation and all the recent evidence is only tracking of WU, CIM and Paypal transfers to accounts that were previously obtained in those Hushmail emails.
-
If you read the indictment most of the info gathered came from 2006-2010 before implementation of PGP.
The vendors were using Hushmail which turned over emails.
This was a prolonged investigation and all the recent evidence is only tracking of WU, CIM and Paypal transfers to accounts that were previously obtained in those Hushmail emails.
I was wondering how they did it, if you carefully read and understand this https://www.torproject.org/docs/hidden-services.html.en and follow it, have a lot of small instance entry guards that you own, LE is going to have one hell of a time getting hold of the IP for your hidden site.
Sounds like they were sloppy.
Life for acid, which has a pretty decent track record of user safety and addiction potential.
Standing your ground and shooting someone armed with some soda is OK, but sending someone down for life for having a chemical that as far as I can recall didn't jump into users own mouths, gets you 20 in the slammer!!
Crazy world.
-
@Mitanox -- I'm sure they didn't crack Tor. If they had, they would have taken down SR first, seeing as how it's the holy grail of online drug sites.
BTW, it's funny how they wrote the press release with deliberate language intended to scare *us*.
-
- not good
- anyone know whats the status of TFM, is it down or up and running like a spider waiting for a fly...
-
It's up.
This is really unfortunate. TFM was the first underground market that I felt secure buying from.. that I knew I would never get scammed.
I sincerely hope that SR succeeds where TFM has failed.
And I hope that the vendors on SR can see that this is only a result of bad practice, and not get scared away.
-
"The online marketplaces have accepted Western Union, Pecunix, PayPal, I-Golder, and cash as payment for illegal drug sales. "
I'm no criminal mastermind but Jesus Christ. Could you be anymore wreckless? I'm surprised they weren't accepting personal checks as a form of payment.
-
Man this sort of thing gives me the jitters!
Sounds like they made some pretty stupid mistakes and I don't see how Tor could have been compromised but of course it only takes one slip up from the users end to expose yourself.
Brrr makes me cold inside just thinking about it!
Time to go find out whether the ability of liberte to run i2p transparently over tor means I can use i2p and tor simultaneously. That's all that is going to let me rest easy.
play it safe everyone
-
Man this sort of thing gives me the jitters!
Sounds like they made some pretty stupid mistakes and I don't see how Tor could have been compromised but of course it only takes one slip up from the users end to expose yourself.
Brrr makes me cold inside just thinking about it!
Time to go find out whether the ability of liberte to run i2p transparently over tor means I can use i2p and tor simultaneously. That's all that is going to let me rest easy.
play it safe everyone
Tails does.
I'm so glad i never got involved with TFM
-
"The online marketplaces have accepted Western Union, Pecunix, PayPal, I-Golder, and cash as payment for illegal drug sales. "
I'm no criminal mastermind but Jesus Christ. Could you be anymore wreckless? I'm surprised they weren't accepting personal checks as a form of payment.
+1
-
damnn.. I'm not familiar with TFM.
i mean with using BTC, i really don't feel that nervous.
-
i know i'm a noob around here, but i think this should put an end to these wu or moneypack to btc vendors around here. bitcoins being what keeps us safe, those vendors make me even more nervous. they create paper trails. getting bitcoins on your own isn't rocket science. just do the homework, and you'll have your coin in a week or less. if you're not willing to educate yourself on the system, you don't need to use this site. itis a risky enough service as it is.
again, just my 2 cents. take it with a grain of salt.
-
What a shame for those guys...
Damn it must have been a year-long operation with incredible much manpower to it... is that really worth the taxpayers dollars? Weed & Acid....
Also remember that hacker guy from anonymous who made one mistake and therefore ended up snitching on all of his crew...
-
Sellers should only accept bitcoin, that seems pretty basic to me. They should not have accepted those easily traced forms of payment. The part about this that scares me is a seller getting popped and leo continuing to take orders and making a list of people to visit.
With all that is wrong in the world today, and in the united states, the authorities consider drug crimes worth this much effort, and the punishments are fucking ludicrous. I don't know how much longer it's going to be before we have the second American revolution, but I think it draweth nigh, it draweth the fuck nigh.
-
Man, this whole thing is fucking bullshit. Here's an interesting piece of bullshit about America. Here, at the age of 18, you can go to training for several months where you are taught how to efficiently kill the generic American enemy. That enemy has changed over the years, but the point is you learn how to kill him. Then you are sent overseas to fight a war funded by wealthy Americans that are getting wealthier. If you shoot and kill enough of America's enemies, you are awarded a medal.
But if you create, sell, or take a drug that makes you love your fellow man more (see: mushrooms, LSD, MDMA, etc.), you will rot in a jail cell for possibly the rest of your life.
Killing = Awards
Love = Punishment
Noticing a pattern yet?
War = Peace
Freedom = Slavery
Ignorance = Strength
Our drug policy is so fucked up that it makes me angry. I agree that the TFM users were stupid. But why is such a site a risk in the first place? And Obama just came back from that Latin America drug summit basically saying that even though he admits the drug policy could possibly be reexamined, the U.S. will not be pursuing legalization at this time. Well what fucking time will we be Mr. President? How many innocent people are going to spend their lives in prison because this country has its priorities backwards? How many people that are trying to improve lives and spread love are going to be forced to leave their friends and families for a cell? This is fucking ridiculous.
-
I hear you patriot....
That shit country called USA is just making the world a worse place afterall (Afghanistan, Iraq, War on Drugs). USA is supposed to be the land of the free? Ha ha putting millions of people in jail for victimless crimes - makes sense. Forcing other countries like Columbia & Bolivia to be tough on drugs even though they don't wanna play that game anymore. More people die everyday in Mexico, USA and Latin America because of this so-called War on Drugs than anywhere else.
F U O84m4, though I fear it will get worse with that mormon in house
-
Worse in USA is two things: the increasing use of mercenaries (blackwater) to fight our battles, and do our logistics. And the steady non-stop building of private prisons to house the increasing number of people whose lives have been forfeit to our corrupt system. And as the previous governor of California found out: the strongest union is the prison guards union...and they like this shit.
And if they put this much juice into bringing down TFM, how much do you think they are putting into bringing down SR? They'll be offering bounties to hackers, and yeah, cops may not sell us dope, just to bust buyers....but snitches sure can...could get ugly...
-
This is my paranoia talking...but how long till they take down SR?
-
i wonder how much money was spent on this international operation. the real criminals, i.e., the leaders of cartels/mafia/etc. are in bed with the government and LE, and are scot-free. what the hell will it take for the establishment to back off us peaceful folk? do we really need to resort to having our own muscle like others do? im getting tired of this shit, and the majority of the populace doesnt give a flying fuck because it's been brainwashed to lump all substances into one category. i know one day the economy will implode but are we seriously gonna wait until then and endure this shit? it still boggles my mind to think that a murderer could get less time in prison than some1 distributing lsd. it's exactly how divinechemicals says it is: this is a damned conspiracy to contain the minds of the public within a certain framework.
-
so, on a scale of 1-10, 1 being daisies and unicorns and 10 being oh my god my whole life as i know it is spiraling down the crapper: how much should we be worried about SR today as compare to yesterday???
-
who knows the URL for TFM?
-
Ministrer, its on TorDirectory somewhere http://dppmfxaacucguzpc.onion/index.php?sid=5guieqmo7ito5v709lbk53eks5
I wouldn't worry about SR. The rules here are pretty unbendable regarding how payment is made and other things that are meant to keep us safe. Us buyers can always be duped by a fake seller who is leo, but beyond that, I wouldn't worry.
-
This is why everyone should stop being lazy and start taking the necessary precautions to keep their operations safe, buyers should start as well not just vendors! This shouldn't cause panic because these guys were obviously reckless and have been for years.
-
I feel like they should do a small check on each vendor to show their loyalty and not let any new buyers join.
The place is getting fairly big as it is!
-
Judging by a quick glance through the indictment, it looks like they were busted by using hushmail, who compiled with a court order to turn over e-mail records.
This is the second time that I know of that hushmail has done this; clearly they are not the company they advertise to be. Always use client-side encryption!
-
pecunix also apparently rolled over which is freaking me out
-
Wow life imprisonment, well they only serve 2/3s of that in federal anyway. Oh wait.....
this is hopefully a reality check and nice to see as SR has taken out alot of the implications in which TFM got caught, ie the transaction amount which he hid and the use of bitcoins,
sadly with time I fear that they will figure out some sort of way to crack it, although there may not be as many greater minds working for the good side there are still many individuals working for the government who are equally as intelligent if not more so than the crowd of SR,
fuck....
-
I feel like they should do a small check on each vendor to show their loyalty and not let any new buyers join.
The place is getting fairly big as it is!
Easy enough to say once you're already a member, eh? I see your point, though. :)
-
I'm curious about the cash however- where they actually meeting buyers in person thus disclosing identities and locations? Sad that they got busted, but the fact they took the time to use TOR only to disregard it's anonymity by taking traceable payments is why these guys got pinched. Pretty much snitched on themselves.
they accepted cash in the mail to PO boxes....
Am I the only previous TFM buyer here? Damn, im paranoid as fuck now
-
I feel like they should do a small check on each vendor to show their loyalty and not let any new buyers join.
The place is getting fairly big as it is!
This is a good idea, but hard to implement. I think all vendors should supply SR with a small sample of their product at periodic intervals to prove they are not LE. Doesn't even have to be a dose, just enough to show it's drugs. But problem one is where to send the sample, as I'm sure SR isn't in the habit of giving out a mailing address. One way could be some of SR's staff could be like the undercover shoppers these stores hire to shop like a customer, but they are really just making sure shit is legit. Even if buyers had to fund such a thing by paying a membership fee I think that would acceptable. Think of it like insurance. It may suck to pay that premium, till you total a beamer with 25 miles on it and you do it by hitting another beamer. There could even be two kinds of account, one free that allowed X amount of purchases per month, say one or two, and the paid account which allowed unlimited. As for freezing new memberships, I don't think this would help. The buyers aren't the target nor the security problem, the vendors are. As of now they are pretty safe, though. So long as everybody plays by the rules. I would rather lose or pay more money if it means staying free.
The other issue with the vendors supplying small samples is this may not be enough to guarantee they aren't LE. But, as far I know, the cops can't send you drugs, that would be entrapment. Especially with the mystery shopper model, they wouldn't know if they were sending to a user or staff.
-
The other issue with the vendors supplying small samples is this may not be enough to guarantee they aren't LE. But, as far I know, the cops can't send you drugs, that would be entrapment. Especially with the mystery shopper model, they wouldn't know if they were sending to a user or staff.
Actually that is legal isn't it? Forget the term but something like reverse buy.....lol dunno
-
Man, this whole thing is fucking bullshit. Here's an interesting piece of bullshit about America. Here, at the age of 18, you can go to training for several months where you are taught how to efficiently kill the generic American enemy. That enemy has changed over the years, but the point is you learn how to kill him. Then you are sent overseas to fight a war funded by wealthy Americans that are getting wealthier. If you shoot and kill enough of America's enemies, you are awarded a medal.
But if you create, sell, or take a drug that makes you love your fellow man more (see: mushrooms, LSD, MDMA, etc.), you will rot in a jail cell for possibly the rest of your life.
Killing = Awards
Love = Punishment
Noticing a pattern yet?
War = Peace
Freedom = Slavery
Ignorance = Strength
Our drug policy is so fucked up that it makes me angry. I agree that the TFM users were stupid. But why is such a site a risk in the first place? And Obama just came back from that Latin America drug summit basically saying that even though he admits the drug policy could possibly be reexamined, the U.S. will not be pursuing legalization at this time. Well what fucking time will be we Mr. President? How many innocent people are going to spend their lives in prison because this country has its priorities backwards? How many people that are trying to improve lives and spread love are going to be forced to leave their friends and families for a cell? This is fucking ridiculous.
I mentioned this also on another thread. Obama is just sitting there lying through his teeth and holding the hypocritical line we've been spewing for decades! all the while bodies pile up on their side of the border with guns bought from Amerika! Its all very sad..Prison is our jobs program ..the throw away people:( The Prison Industrial Complex coming to a neighborhood near you!
-
Everyone from TFM is going to be on here now. Vendors will have to be very careful. I hope none of the vendors were on both sites. I have been lazy about encryption. Going to have to do some comp and housecleaning. Should have been doing it all along. If done right, this could strengthen SR.
-
this reinforces the need to encrypt your address when sending to a vendor.
and for vendors to never record buyers details in plain text, or even at all.
If I had any karma, I'd definitely be passing some your way. There's no excuse for a plaintext message to ever be sent on SR.
-
whats more unsettling is knowing that that indicted twenty-year-old is going to have a harsh life ahead of him. barely experienced his youthful years, and now the system is gonna have its way with him.
-
Wow.
I was going to order some mids from TFM, but then I thought - fuck this pecunix thing, let's wait for SR 4/20 sale.
this saved my butt. lucky me!
EDIT:
http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/threatlevel/2012/04/WILLEMSIndictment-FILED.045.pdf
"Defendant George Matzek aka **mcmurphy813** "
Isn't it the same mc.murphy accused here on SR of scamming recently ?
-
From the newspaper articles about this today, should now be a given that:
a) LE are definitely posing as buyers (maybe vendors) on SR, are prepared to wait years if they need to to bring this place down. Could even be the narks from operation 'Adam bomb' that are on this site right now.
b) Make sure when buying bitcoins you are as anonymous as possible, I read in a thread about someone buying them from Ebay lol.
c) Encrypt everything in case SR or a careless vendor ever gets compromised.
d) Never do a deal of SR via these forums, even if its offered as a free sample.
e) Doesn't matter what country you're in, if you caught you are going down.
f) When they try and bring SR down, it will be all out very quickly, we won't see any sporadic bust so no warning at all.
-
To me sending/receiving payments not using btc isn't the issue that got these guys hemmed up. I mean people been slangin thru usps since looong before btc or tor or even the "pc" as we know it today. its gotten tougher but still relatively smooth to move money on the slick even besides using btc.Imho their fatal error was entrusting their communications to be not just transmitted but STORED INDEFINITELY by not just a 3rd party but a fucking CORPORATION??!!!? I mean,wtf? :'(
-
yea and just theres alot of errors from the vendors also like y the fuck would u send lsd and mdma to the netherlands from the usa so many times knowing that the netherlands is the home of both of those drugs idk they just sound stupid to me all vendors know not to accept anything else but btc. but if theres any vendors following this thread? Have u guys been experiencing more people messaging you asking if u can accept w.u or other forms of payment? i have been getting it alot lately its strange now reading this im getting even more paranoid lol
-
Dont mean to stir the pot more but this is just my .02
i saw a couple posts asking if LE cracked the TOR network well there really is no way to do this except what im sure LE is already doing....... by setting up there own exit nodes to monitor the traffic that gets pumped through them i mean when you think about it (mp3,movies,child porn)are moved through TOR everday and well this whole incident is another reason they have nodes setup instead of them having to go find people they can have the people come to them
Oh and using non-secure communication and payment methods doesnt help.
First post.
-
how does one block the LE tor nodes?
-
This is an example of why every SR buyer and vendor should take security VERY, VERY, VERY seriously.
Hardened linux distros, encrypt EVERY incriminating message, use a TOR bridge and stolen wifi, setup secure address pickups, buy your fucking bitcoins anonymously, or invest in a mining rig or 2.
Vendors - Please, please, please, please do not save our addresses. A lot of people use their home address. The police would love to get a hold of hundreds of buyer's names and addresses.
This is very concerning. Be very very wary. LE presence here is much higher than you may think.
But TFM... Accepting PayPal, WTF were they thinking? Hopefully traceable payment methods were the downfall.
-
how does one block the LE tor nodes?
There is no way to know if/which nodes could be LE basically all i was saying is that it is very possible that they are doing such things
-
how does one block the LE tor nodes?
It's impossible to know which nodes are LE owned. It is definitely an issue though.
-
Sellers should only accept bitcoin, that seems pretty basic to me. They should not have accepted those easily traced forms of payment. The part about this that scares me is a seller getting popped and leo continuing to take orders and making a list of people to visit.
With all that is wrong in the world today, and in the united states, the authorities consider drug crimes worth this much effort, and the punishments are fucking ludicrous. I don't know how much longer it's going to be before we have the second American revolution, but I think it draweth nigh, it draweth the fuck nigh.
OIIIII, OIIIII, FO FOCK'S SAKE WE SHALLLL SLAUGGGHHHTTERR THEM, taste their innards, AND DEFILE THEIR WOMEN.
that last part in your post had me giggling ROFL.
-
Something to note for some of you guys new to the mail order thing. Adamsflowers is one of the oldest and most well known mail order drugs online. They've been around since way before SR, they were ravesupply@hushmail.com and other hushmail / clearnet email services. Pretty much any google search of how to buy drugs, lsd, mdma, ect would lead to one of their emails... You would just email them asking for a menu and they'd send one, all plain text. They were using outdated and extremely risky methods for years and years.
-
sucks for TFM! too bad the American drug coppers have nothing better to do than bust some people buying weed online. bust a meth lab for christ sake!!! better yet, you wanna take drugs off the steetz bust people like wetbacks for bringing that pressed, seedy, brick thrash into cities and neighborhoods and the stoopid niggas 4 buying that shit! :P
anyway, reality is 1 day we will try too log on to SR and it won't be there AND ALL OUR BTC WILL BE GONE! :'( :'( :'(
echo above posters, stay safe and use pgp for everything!
MiKe BeLLo
-
Jesus fuck, life for selling acid...
Wow was thinking the same as I read it. liftime in prison for selling some drugs... wow just wow
-
Nothing to be worried about imo. LE took 2 !! years to investigate a single ring. No signs of NSA being involved so it's very very unlikely TOR is comprimised (for the time being sadly). This particular case smells as a classical investigation focussed on the money-trail.
-
Yeah, I wouldn't worry myself to death here. This is a jurisdictional nightmare for these guys to make a move.
-
http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/threatlevel/2012/04/WILLEMSIndictment-FILED.045.pdf
-
sucks for TFM! too bad the American drug coppers have nothing better to do than bust some people buying weed online. bust a meth lab for christ sake!!! better yet, you wanna take drugs off the steetz bust people like wetbacks for bringing that pressed, seedy, brick thrash into cities and neighborhoods and the stoopid niggas 4 buying that shit! :P
anyway, reality is 1 day we will try too log on to SR and it won't be there AND ALL OUR BTC WILL BE GONE! :'( :'( :'(
echo above posters, stay safe and use pgp for everything!
MiKe BeLLo
Sorry but I think that 99.999999% Of us S.R. forum users would prefer that you keep your backward, redneck, racism to your fucking self.
Good day man stuck 100 years in the past.
-
Yep, I don't care for that shit. Especially considering my ol lady is stoopid nigger. Jeez, wtf asshole.
-
imho SR is safe as long as you use Encryption and follow the advice which is posted all over here..
TFM was busted because the did not use Encryption and used traceable Money ..
2 BIG BIG ERRORS !
-
As my meagre view on this, US imperialist extraterritorial laws allow them to bust and (try to) extradite anyone doing anything illegal even using servers based in the States, as well as selling to Americans. Imho, it makes sense for an EU only version of SR. All business done within the EU, or at the very least, to the total exclusion of the US & dependencies, it's data and financial infrastructure, citizens based there etc etc. Our American friends might not like this but I would ask you to reflect on the chances of doing a few years in an ok Euro prison and life in an American dungeon for the exact same 'offence'. American extraterritoriality would dictate that it is in all our interests to separate from anything remotely connected with the US because, sure as hell, if they can get you, they will, no matter where in the world you are.
Please read this kid's case
http://www.guardian.co.uk/law/2012/jan/13/tvshack-student-founder-extradition
"In July the agency's [US Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agency] assistant deputy director told the Guardian that ICE would now actively pursue websites similar to TVShack even if their only connection to the US was a website address ending in .com or .net. Such suffixes are routed through Verisign, an internet infrastructure company based in Virginia, which the agency believes is sufficient to seek a US prosecution"
So there you have it. Just having a .com/net address is enough to get you extradited to America and 10 years or life for fuck all
-
As my meagre view on this, US imperialist extraterritorial laws allow them to bust and (try to) extradite anyone doing anything illegal even using servers based in the States, as well as selling to Americans. Imho, it makes sense for an EU only version of SR. All business done within the EU, or at the very least, to the total exclusion of the US & dependencies, it's data and financial infrastructure, citizens based there etc etc. Our American friends might not like this but I would ask you to reflect on the chances of doing a few years in an ok Euro prison and life in an American dungeon for the exact same 'offence'. American extraterritoriality would dictate that it is in all our interests to separate from anything remotely connected with the US because, sure as hell, if they can get you, they will, no matter where in the world you are.
Please read this kid's case
http://www.guardian.co.uk/law/2012/jan/13/tvshack-student-founder-extradition
"In July the agency's [US Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agency] assistant deputy director told the Guardian that ICE would now actively pursue websites similar to TVShack even if their only connection to the US was a website address ending in .com or .net. Such suffixes are routed through Verisign, an internet infrastructure company based in Virginia, which the agency believes is sufficient to seek a US prosecution"
So there you have it. Just having a .com/net address is enough to get you extradited to America and 10 years or life for fuck all
Brilliant idea right there honestly, and this is coming from a US citizen.
-
And Obama just came back from that Latin America drug summit basically saying that even though he admits the drug policy could possibly be reexamined, the U.S. will not be pursuing legalization at this time. Well what fucking time will we be Mr. President?
After he wins this next election would be my guess. He was all for decriminalization before he became president. Once he doesn't have to worry about politics anymore, he can cover a lot more ground. Still, he could just fuck us and not do anything, but I'm trying to stay optimistic. God knows chances are even worse if corporate owned Romney is elected. I would hope that the American people are smart enough to see through Romney, but they did however elect Bush for a second term. So, predictability of stupidity is really impossible.
-
And Obama just came back from that Latin America drug summit basically saying that even though he admits the drug policy could possibly be reexamined, the U.S. will not be pursuing legalization at this time. Well what fucking time will we be Mr. President?
After he wins this next election would be my guess. He was all for decriminalization before he became president. Once he doesn't have to worry about politics anymore, he can cover a lot more ground. Still, he could just fuck us and not do anything, but I'm trying to stay optimistic. God knows chances are even worse if corporate owned Romney is elected. I would hope that the American people are smart enough to see through Romney, but they did however elect Bush for a second term. So, predictability of stupidity is really impossible.
You moron, Obama is just as corporate-owned as Romney. Both are tools of the international oligarchy (aka government of the rich , for those that don't read)
Obama's 2nd top donor is Goldman Sachs, which basically owns Romney-bot 2000, the planet Earth, and your mortal soul as well. Go start reading up on General Smedley Butler , "Operation Condor", "Operation Northwoods", and "Operation Gladio" if you want to go down the rabbit hole. Nothing has changed since then, except the government is a vast criminal cartel. They go after sites like these to (1) fill the private for-profit prisons , (2) because they hate competition in drugs / money laundering , and (3) to scare the population into compliance for the next round when the screws tighten another turn.
http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.php?cycle=2008&cid=N00009638
Heroin production is up 10x in Afghanistan since we invaded. Not that any of this would matter to you because you are stuck in the mind-jacket that elections are 'real' rather than a dog and pony show of the 'deep state'
In any case, consider this a wake up call to all the idiots on SR who think they are safe. You are not safe, you are taking a calculated risk . The NSA can find you in 2 minutes or less. The cops can find you in 6 - 12 months, median case. Minimize your risk with good operational security.
===============
References:
War is a Racket -- General Smedley Butler
http://www.lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm
Gen. Smedley Butler foils fascist takeover of U.S. in 1934
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Smedley_Butler
Operation Condor
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Condor
Operation Northwoods
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods
Operation Gladio
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio
-
And Obama just came back from that Latin America drug summit basically saying that even though he admits the drug policy could possibly be reexamined, the U.S. will not be pursuing legalization at this time. Well what fucking time will we be Mr. President?
After he wins this next election would be my guess. He was all for decriminalization before he became president. Once he doesn't have to worry about politics anymore, he can cover a lot more ground. Still, he could just fuck us and not do anything, but I'm trying to stay optimistic. God knows chances are even worse if corporate owned Romney is elected. I would hope that the American people are smart enough to see through Romney, but they did however elect Bush for a second term. So, predictability of stupidity is really impossible.
You moron, Obama is just as corporate-owned as Romney. Both are tools of the international oligarchy (aka government of the rich , for those that don't read)
Obama's 2nd top donor is Goldman Sachs, which basically owns Romney-bot 2000, the planet Earth, and your mortal soul as well. Go start reading up on General Smedley Butler , "Operation Condor", "Operation Northwoods", and "Operation Gladio" if you want to go down the rabbit hole. Nothing has changed since then, except the government is a vast criminal cartel. They go after sites like these to (1) fill the private for-profit prisons , (2) because they hate competition in drugs / money laundering , and (3) to scare the population into compliance for the next round when the screws tighten another turn.
http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.php?cycle=2008&cid=N00009638
Heroin production is up 10x in Afghanistan since we invaded. Not that any of this would matter to you because you are stuck in the mind-jacket that elections are 'real' rather than a dog and pony show of the 'deep state'
In any case, consider this a wake up call to all the idiots on SR who think they are safe. You are not safe, you are taking a calculated risk . The NSA can find you in 2 minutes or less. The cops can find you in 6 - 12 months, median case. Minimize your risk with good operational security.
Yes, because you spend your days on sites like InfoWars and Above Top Secret, you obviously are more aware of the elitist agenda to pump disinformation and propaganda to the American people. Not everything is a fucking conspiracy, dude.
-
I posted you primary-source scholarly information from Wikipedia and Open-Secrets , not 'conspiracy' links .
But like I said, some people -- like yourself -- are ignorant and prefer to remain that way. People like yourself will resort to logical fallacies and cognitive dissonance in order to maintain their worldview -- in spite of evidence to the contrary. Clinging to false information at all costs. (ie. To cling to the idea that the U.S. President is autonomous -- rather than a puppet of the 'deep state' -- although reasoned evaluation of evidence would indicate he is in fact beholden to the 'deep state' [NSC, CFR, etc].)
When the facts change, I change my mind. . . What do you do? Knowingly maintain a false perspective? (Orwell had a word for this. It was called 'doublethink').
The links are not for you. Good luck not getting busted. (and on Obama legalizing drugs lol)
-
Man this sort of thing gives me the jitters!
Sounds like they made some pretty stupid mistakes and I don't see how Tor could have been compromised but of course it only takes one slip up from the users end to expose yourself.
Brrr makes me cold inside just thinking about it!
Time to go find out whether the ability of liberte to run i2p transparently over tor means I can use i2p and tor simultaneously. That's all that is going to let me rest easy.
play it safe everyone
Tor doesn't need to be compromised for one to get identified. If you don't turn off javascript you are open to all kinds of tricks that can identify you and your computer. There are many settings (Torbutton handles most) that need to be taken care of for you to browse safely. Running other applications, like flash or pdf files, is also a big problem.
Being safe takes an active interest in being safe. Please be careful everyone.
-
wow this thread got gay quick
it just runs in some of the forum members blood here
-
First of all, these guys were idiots (TFM). They started their site before Tor and secondly they didn't trust bitcoins. They had it coming. PayPal, seriously?
-
sucks for TFM! too bad the American drug coppers have nothing better to do than bust some people buying weed online. bust a meth lab for christ sake!!! better yet, you wanna take drugs off the steetz bust people like wetbacks for bringing that pressed, seedy, brick thrash into cities and neighborhoods and the stoopid niggas 4 buying that shit! :P
anyway, reality is 1 day we will try too log on to SR and it won't be there AND ALL OUR BTC WILL BE GONE! :'( :'( :'(
echo above posters, stay safe and use pgp for everything!
MiKe BeLLo
Sorry but I think that 99.999999% Of us S.R. forum users would prefer that you keep your backward, redneck, racism to your fucking self.
Good day man stuck 100 years in the past.
ummm, apparently you don't get my sense of humor and that's cool....
I used the term nigga, not the "er" version for 1, and secondly I make zero apologizes for calling out our "latino" friends for flooding the streets with their compressed seedy shit that only gives you a headache.
staying 100 years in the past,
big MiKe BeLLo
-
Worse in USA is two things: the increasing use of mercenaries (blackwater) to fight our battles, and do our logistics. And the steady non-stop building of private prisons to house the increasing number of people whose lives have been forfeit to our corrupt system. And as the previous governor of California found out: the strongest union is the prison guards union...and they like this shit.
And if they put this much juice into bringing down TFM, how much do you think they are putting into bringing down SR? They'll be offering bounties to hackers, and yeah, cops may not sell us dope, just to bust buyers....but snitches sure can...could get ugly...
Good thoughts Phubai. I always presume that LE has hacked the SR software (I don't know that, but with an army of hackers we know PHP has vulnerabilities). Encrypt all your communications in SR. Make sure your browser is locked down - running Tor alone isn't enough. Only do business with vendors you consider careful - for me, those that insist on delivery confirmation make me nervous (I can go into detail on this). Busting users can't really help get vendors on SR - they can do so for nastiness but not so much to help their investigation. But vendors can point at users if LE cares. I don't know whether they do or not, but risk flows downhill here. It's funny we like to call ourselves the land of the free, isn't it? We have the highest percentage of population in prison of any country in the world.
-
Just FYI guys, "thecloser29" was one of the guys indicted
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=19157.75
-
sucks for TFM! too bad the American drug coppers have nothing better to do than bust some people buying weed online. bust a meth lab for christ sake!!! better yet, you wanna take drugs off the steetz bust people like wetbacks for bringing that pressed, seedy, brick thrash into cities and neighborhoods and the stoopid niggas 4 buying that shit! :P
anyway, reality is 1 day we will try too log on to SR and it won't be there AND ALL OUR BTC WILL BE GONE! :'( :'( :'(
echo above posters, stay safe and use pgp for everything!
MiKe BeLLo
Sorry but I think that 99.999999% Of us S.R. forum users would prefer that you keep your backward, redneck, racism to your fucking self.
Good day man stuck 100 years in the past.
ummm, apparently you don't get my sense of humor and that's cool....
I used the term nigga, not the "er" version for 1, and secondly I make zero apologizes for calling out our "latino" friends for flooding the streets with their compressed seedy shit that only gives you a headache.
staying 100 years in the past,
big MiKe BeLLo
Sorry, I didn't catch the gga, I thought it said gger, after I saw wetbacks I just figured you were acting like an asshole. If you got latino friends n shit, I know how that is, you call em that, when you tight lol.
-
Hatedpatriot, I think he was being a bit facetious when he wrote 'our "latino' friends'. Shit weed really does make you talk shit :)
-
Haha, okay, he's an asshole again, then :D
Hey, my niggahs, y'all can read on dis, and it might make a niggah or two feel bettah. These guys are saying it's no wonder they got popped. I don't think there is anyway you can say SR is in danger after this, except what now indicted vendors may tell the feds about how SR runs. But still, I doubt they could tell anything they don't already know. At any rate, those interested can follow this thread on Torchan http://zw3crggtadila2sg.onion/imageboard/drugs/res/89.html
-
whats more unsettling is knowing that that indicted twenty-year-old is going to have a harsh life ahead of him. barely experienced his youthful years, and now the system is gonna have its way with him.
I spent a few years in prison and it was the best thing that ever happened to me. Within 6 months I made an oath to myself to dedicate my life to fighting this war, and then spent the remaining years training and conditioning my body and mind.
If this 20-year old has a dominant personality he will make a good soldier. If he is submissive, he will bow down to the government and become a good little slave. Eventually every man has to make that choice whether they go to prison or not. Are you in control of your own destiny, or do you bend over and let another man impose his will on you? Fight or flight. Man or mouse etc. etc.
-
As for the retarded racism bitch fight it's pathetic. PC racism is so lame. Just because you pretend to be "not racist", which PC people constantly have to insist it seems, it doesn't actually mean you're not racist. I know plenty of liberals who are truly racist, in their behavior, but wouldn't dare allow any non-PC language around her.
For all you uptight PC deuches..... FUCK YOU. YOU RUINED COMEDY!!!!
oh yeah, FUCK NBC.
Conservatives may be unabashed dicks but liberals are fucking annoying as fuck because of their "holier than thou" bullshit.
Racism only exists if people refuse to honestly discuss it. PC liberals are the true racists, not because of hatred, but because a horrible mixture of stupidity/ignorance.
*End of rant. These Farmer's Market idiots had it coming.
whats more unsettling is knowing that that indicted twenty-year-old is going to have a harsh life ahead of him. barely experienced his youthful years, and now the system is gonna have its way with him.
I spent a few years in prison and it was the best thing that ever happened to me. Within 6 months I made an oath to myself to dedicate my life to fighting this war, and then spent the remaining years training and conditioning my body and mind.
If this 20-year old has a dominant personality he will make a good soldier. If he is submissive, he will bow down to the government and become a good little slave. Eventually every man has to make that choice whether they go to prison or not. Are you in control of your own destiny, or do you bend over and let another man impose his will on you? Fight or flight. Man or mouse etc. etc.
That's some pretty deep shit man. Props, I respect anyone who has seized control of their own mind. Wish you the best with your plan, it's great to see and hear actual combat against complacency!
-
Everybody is racist, there is no way to not be racist. Doesn't mean you hate anyone, though it may. But, we all have notions about people of a different race because that;s just how the human brain works.
-
my 2 pence worth:
- compare this human concept to any species of animal and although primitive by human standards, what the instinctive thoughts and actions of animals are.
- "racist" is a bit of a strong word and i've not read all the posts above, point is its human nature to bond to your own instinctive to trust your own kind.
- humans are intelligent enough to rise above the old world neanderthal thinking that is true, but the very same people who claim the next are "racist" practise some
level of it themselves ie not racism per say but muslim to muslim, indian to indian; so the term racism is misunderstood and misrepresented; after all look at any
suburb in any of the big uk cities (for example, could be any place...) people band together ....and w/o me passing judgement of every single individual..some of it
is a desire to be with your own kind.
- standing back and taking a world view, we are not much different from each other and same needs, dreams and hopes, to live and progress.....
Peace
-
sucks for TFM! too bad the American drug coppers have nothing better to do than bust some people buying weed online. bust a meth lab for christ sake!!! better yet, you wanna take drugs off the steetz bust people like wetbacks for bringing that pressed, seedy, brick thrash into cities and neighborhoods and the stoopid niggas 4 buying that shit! :P
anyway, reality is 1 day we will try too log on to SR and it won't be there AND ALL OUR BTC WILL BE GONE! :'( :'( :'(
echo above posters, stay safe and use pgp for everything!
MiKe BeLLo
Sorry but I think that 99.999999% Of us S.R. forum users would prefer that you keep your backward, redneck, racism to your fucking self.
Good day man stuck 100 years in the past.
ummm, apparently you don't get my sense of humor and that's cool....
I used the term nigga, not the "er" version for 1, and secondly I make zero apologizes for calling out our "latino" friends for flooding the streets with their compressed seedy shit that only gives you a headache.
staying 100 years in the past,
big MiKe BeLLo
Sorry man, I really thought your were being serious like your better than someone because your white (which I am too) I have an adopted Latino family member and when I hear that shit it strikes a personal nerve. No offense.
-
Everyone is certainly racist to some extent. Everyone is also capable of murder, rape etc etc. The point is- you're perfectly free to be that way but views such as that have no place in a supposedly civilised forum as this. If we all started using offensive phrases about whatever group we happen to to like, this place would degenerate into chaos pretty quick. Keep the racist epithets for places where they are an accepted and welcome part of the discourse, like Stormfront or an EDL site. They are fuck all to do with the subject at hand and this is a multi-racial, multi-ethnic forum that caters to people from all over the world so give over with the racist terms ::) 'Manners maketh man'
-
So, on topic...what do you guys think "sent in a coded message" means? It's throughout the indictment.
-
It's funny how they refused to mention that TOR itself was created by the U.S. government
-
So, on topic...what do you guys think "sent in a coded message" means? It's throughout the indictment.
Good question =\ their encryption got cracked maybe? sounds to me like they got to one of them, and this person turned on the rest. usually how LE gets anything substantial done isn't it? or they had one of their own undercover with them. there's so much info in there from like 2-3 fucking years ago that's extremely specific ??? the fuck
-
So, on topic...what do you guys think "sent in a coded message" means? It's throughout the indictment.
maybe pgp but only way that would work if they had private keys.
-
thank god for the forums
-
would like a poll on whats the ratio ... members to LE here.
-
So, on topic...what do you guys think "sent in a coded message" means? It's throughout the indictment.
maybe pgp but only way that would work if they had private keys.
They were using hushmail. Hushmail had their own built in encryption method. Hushmail shared the keys to unencrypt the messages with law enforcement.
-
First of all, these guys were idiots (TFM). They started their site before Tor and secondly they didn't trust bitcoins. They had it coming. PayPal, seriously?
I think it's more that they didn't keep up with all the digital changes going on...they were relatively safe in the beginning, but reading through the indictment, sounds like they just lost their grip, and also, that LE is getting seriously coordinated worldwide, and just like in other areas, they seem to be pulling in some good hackers...probably due to Anonymous and the wikileaks as much as for drugs...
Hopefully SR keeps up to speed with all this, and we may have to make some serious changes to avoid the heat coming down. Main problem on the individual level--IMHO, and just guessing--is complacency. I just have to ask myself: Am I as careful with protecting myself as I was when I first signed up?
I don't like the answer.
-
Dont mean to stir the pot more but this is just my .02
i saw a couple posts asking if LE cracked the TOR network well there really is no way to do this except what im sure LE is already doing....... by setting up there own exit nodes to monitor the traffic that gets pumped through them i mean when you think about it (mp3,movies,child porn)are moved through TOR everday and well this whole incident is another reason they have nodes setup instead of them having to go find people they can have the people come to them
Oh and using non-secure communication and payment methods doesnt help.
First post.
I don't think this applies here, as SR is hosted on a Hidden service there are no exit nodes, and in any case the hidden service doesn't know the address of the users and vice versa (as well as the fact that some of the nodes are chosen at random, which means to have a good chance of being in on something like SR the LE would have to own most of the nodes when the service was first setting up - i could well be wrong here but that's my understanding).
Now I would be in favour of an i2p service simply because this allows for end to end encryption thus making it intrinsically more secure than tor for browsing the big bad outside web.
-
Reading the press releases in the dutch newspapers. The dutch cybercrime office (hi there, wassup..) with their permanently stationed FBI agents were just a bit to proud on this bust. Wouldn't be surprised at all if the breakthrough came from their end.
-
Coded messages ... literally what it sounds like. I assume they would talk about "goods", "green","molly" etc ... nothing fancy.
The indictment dates back to 2006 ... and then the info starts tailing off around mid 2010 when PGP started becoming popular. They had hushmails cooperation in reading the messages these guys were sending between themselves that had address, paypal accounts, bank accounts, mail addresses etc in plain sight.
-
im not gonna throw any names out but theres a few memebers on here that seem known and trusted but then now that i see this just by the way they post and stuff it seems like there leo just bulding a investigation and just because there hero members and what not doesnt mean they can be trusted like of course there gonna be here acting like a kool person and there post rating will go up. im just sayin a few hero memebers and what not really act like leo sometimes.
-
Some of the emails are up on pastebin. It's about what you would expect- guys talking about sending 'Lucy' and need more 'diamond' etc. not some uncrackable code.
-
im not gonna throw any names out but theres a few memebers on here that seem known and trusted but then now that i see this just by the way they post and stuff it seems like there leo just bulding a investigation and just because there hero members and what not doesnt mean they can be trusted like of course there gonna be here acting like a kool person and there post rating will go up. im just sayin a few hero memebers and what not really act like leo sometimes.
Sure, anybody could be LE. But it's just like calling people 'scammers, I'd try to be careful never to brand anybody--or any group of people--just because I don't like them, or the way they post. Some people just irritate the fuck out of me, but it would be cruel to brand them 'Law Enforcement,' We could easily slide into Paranoid City here, if we weren't careful. I haven't a clue how LE would post, so as to recognize them myself, anyway, and I presume if they *are* reading this, that they are getting a good laugh..."You posted just like a cop, motherfucker!" "No, *you* did!"
I've always operated on the theory that LE could be reading and active on here, but I don't *know* this, and pretty much post the same anyway, but always being careful not to give out info that could be used to hurt me or others. Until this place crashes down the same way TFM did, I try to give posters benefit of the doubt, whether they have 10 posts or 1000, doesn't really matter to me....but protect myself, best I can...
-
yea me also thats y i said "im not going to post any names" or i could post quite a few actually. And i could probably tell u the reason why i think this and honestly it would probably start a huge fight and get everyone paranoid but im not gonna do that it would ruin things and put me in jeopardy. but im very aware now and will distance myself from past members i can tell u that much.
-
First of all, these guys were idiots (TFM). They started their site before Tor and secondly they didn't trust bitcoins. They had it coming. PayPal, seriously?
I think it's more that they didn't keep up with all the digital changes going on...they were relatively safe in the beginning, but reading through the indictment, sounds like they just lost their grip, and also, that LE is getting seriously coordinated worldwide, and just like in other areas, they seem to be pulling in some good hackers...probably due to Anonymous and the wikileaks as much as for drugs...
Hopefully SR keeps up to speed with all this, and we may have to make some serious changes to avoid the heat coming down. Main problem on the individual level--IMHO, and just guessing--is complacency. I just have to ask myself: Am I as careful with protecting myself as I was when I first signed up?
I don't like the answer.
Great point. If we all take care of ourselves like we did when we first started with all of this, then the whole community would be safer.
-
Ultimately none of us will ever know who is LE on here but they're around. SR has been on too many large news outlets for them not to be sniffing about. Obviously though, it's all about scale. For the SR team and the vendors, they have to worry about the big governmental and trans-governmental agencies ie DEA, Interpol, Europol etc, not the local filth. We buyers have a lot less to be bothered about. Some countries will be worse than others (ie the US) but here in Europe, most of us would be looking at fines, cautions, community service if we were to be busted buying stuff on SR. So no point buyers getting all paranoid. For the vendors and SR team, I would suggest paranoia is essential.
And I would again suggest cutting loose any countries that claim extraterritorial jurisdiction (again ie the US). There's plenty of money to be made in the rest of the world without risking being extradited to the US for life for selling a bit of acid or weed or running a website they don't like
-
Ultimately none of us will ever know who is LE on here but they're around. SR has been on too many large news outlets for them not to be sniffing about. Obviously though, it's all about scale. For the SR team and the vendors, they have to worry about the big governmental and trans-governmental agencies ie DEA, Interpol, Europol etc, not the local filth. We buyers have a lot less to be bothered about. Some countries will be worse than others (ie the US) but here in Europe, most of us would be looking at fines, cautions, community service if we were to be busted buying stuff on SR. So no point buyers getting all paranoid. For the vendors and SR team, I would suggest paranoia is essential.
And I would again suggest cutting loose any countries that claim extraterritorial jurisdiction (again ie the US). There's plenty of money to be made in the rest of the world without risking being extradited to the US for life for selling a bit of acid or weed or running a website they don't like
So true who's to say what an LEO acts like and doesn't act like via the internet.
I'm more scared of the people pointing fingers then the people getting pointed at.
-
AJAPAI is a paid informant he makes a living snitching on dealers
-
AJAPAI is a paid informant he makes a living snitching on dealers
wow domintatrix ur such a pussy u had to post as a newbie to say im an informant u r the fuckin definition of a pussy. get the fuck out of here like u said i type like a little kid and i sell little amounts of ghb rememeber those were ur words so if im a informant then i wouldnt even have posted on this thread and i would be selling ghb in bigger amounts worldwide not require pgp and all that ur stupid fool u know that.? And if i was an leo u are the last person that needs to be pointing fingers ur selling 100packs of fake xtc u would get busted in a fucking jiff ur not too smart on calling people out.
-
AJAPAI is a paid informant he makes a living snitching on dealers
wow domintatrix ur such a pussy u had to post as a newbie to say im an informant u r the fuckin definition of a pussy. get the fuck out of here like u said i type like a little kid and i sell little amounts of ghb rememeber those were ur words so if im a informant then i wouldnt even have posted on this thread and i would be selling ghb in bigger amounts worldwide not require pgp and all that ur stupid fool u know that.? And if i was an leo u are the last person that needs to be pointing fingers ur selling 100packs of fake xtc u would get busted in a fucking jiff ur not too smart on calling people out.
I didn't call anyone out calm down re-read the messages what the fuck are you talking about? You have issues dude.
-
wtf ever dude i swear ur a decieving p.o.s of course right after u said im scared of people pointing fingers some newbie calls me a paid infromant i know that it was u its kool dude we will see who will be pointing fingers soon u are really starting to piss me off. Im really about to get 5-apb and waste my time just to prove u out and ruin u as a vendor if u dont want that to happen then please quit fucking with me.
-
wtf ever dude i swear ur a decieving p.o.s of course right after u said im scared of people pointing fingers some newbie calls me a paid infromant i know that it was u its kool dude we will see who will be pointing fingers soon u are really starting to piss me off. Im really about to get 5-apb and waste my time just to prove u out and ruin u as a vendor if u dont want that to happen then please quit fucking with me.
HAHAHAHA. Really!? I could give 2 fucks about you, I didn't even know you were pointing fingers at people lol.
You're a piece of gum stuck to the bottom of my shoe, an ant, a child, a moron. Please get some 5-apb and put me out of business. You officially just challenged me now step up your game and accomplish what you're saying your going to do. Until then we don't speak to eachother.
Ps: I'm not a pussy but I have one.
-
im gonna put ur xtc sales to shame when i list white rhino pokeballs soon like i said there coming and once they do i will post them for the same price as ur bullshit shitty r.c that u claim is so good i will even post 100packs for the same price and we will see who has more sales trust me 100mg white rhino pokeballs with MDMA I REPEAT MDMA will blowout ur little 5-apb bullshit. And quit playing stupid now i can tell u have a pussy i was wondering y u were acting like such a bitch i knew u were either a gay dude or a bitch thanks for clarifying.
-
Now will you two kindly shut the &%$#@! up ! ! ! ! you can cut the sexual tension between the two of you with a butter knife, get a room........ will ya ?
Ps: I'm not a pussy but I have one.
I like those things Meeooww...
-
Now will you two kindly shut the &%$#@! up ! ! ! ! you can cut the sexual tension between the two of you with a butter knife, get a room........ will ya ?
Ps: I'm not a pussy but I have one.
I like those things Meeooww...
LOL haha i havent laughed all day until i saw this ur funny fool. Lol now that we know shes a girl i wonder what she looks like.
-
Well, I'm pretty sure by the sound of things that neither one of you is LE ;D
-
As a former TFM customer for almost two years, I guess I'll start looking into this market and BTC...
-
I have one question: Is it technically possible to put a second hidden service with the exact same name into the network? What would then happen? Is the new service rejected? What if the primary service is down at that time?
There is one scenario I see that LE could make up their own SR with the same onion url in order to catch people entering their passwords on their site. Maybe I am paranoid, but can anyone clarify this issue?
Thanks
-
Now will you two kindly shut the &%$#@! up ! ! ! ! you can cut the sexual tension between the two of you with a butter knife, get a room........ will ya ?
Ps: I'm not a pussy but I have one.
I like those things Meeooww...
LOL haha i havent laughed all day until i saw this ur funny fool. Lol now that we know shes a girl i wonder what she looks like.
Does it matter what she looks like?
2 arms, 2 legs, a pulse and I'd do her hahaha
-
Now will you two kindly shut the &%$#@! up ! ! ! ! you can cut the sexual tension between the two of you with a butter knife, get a room........ will ya ?
Ps: I'm not a pussy but I have one.
I like those things Meeooww...
LOL haha i havent laughed all day until i saw this ur funny fool. Lol now that we know shes a girl i wonder what she looks like.
pic or it didnt happen
-
As a former TFM customer for almost two years, I guess I'll start looking into this market and BTC...
Make sure you do look into this market and use it as it's recommended! Dont rush shit here.
-
Now will you two kindly shut the &%$#@! up ! ! ! ! you can cut the sexual tension between the two of you with a butter knife, get a room........ will ya ?
Ps: I'm not a pussy but I have one.
I like those things Meeooww...
I think her sales just went through the roof 8)
-
Dominatrix
Tits or GTFO
-
As a former TFM customer for almost two years, I guess I'll start looking into this market and BTC...
customer for almost two years....investigation that lasted almost two years.....hmmm
-
Dominatrix, Show boobs BB ?
-
Don't knock the F market. They had High grade organic home grown, no chemicals, no bullshit, no worries. It was the admin's choice to accept those payment methods, not the vendors idea. im sure the vendors weren't too excited about it, they were intelligent, stand up guys. The vendors there NEVER fucked ANYONE EVER ! ! ! ! great people all around, all of them ( except the paypal / western union thing ) and will be missed. The little people tried to warn them, the little people have a better outside perspective on things, they are too busy with payments and security to see what they are doing. They were told to stop using hushmail when the auction site got busted ( im pretty sure thats what happened to the auction site ) but they wouldn't listen.
AF finally took his autoresponse hushmail menu off after we pleaded with him for a very long time, he finally caved and knew we were right.
As far as the weed only vendors, them ever coming over here would be the best thing that ever happened to this place, seeing some of the vendor reviews here. those guys would not fuck you EVER and you never had to worry about getting some weird or laced weed. I already mentioned I used to know of a guy, DR. Green was his name, he used to spray his weed with chemicals like WD-40 rumor has it. Now thats some fucked up shit, he was never part of TFM though.
tru dat wretched.
i just hope none of TFM vendors sell here (though i wouldnt know who they are)
wouldnt touch those buggers with a 10 foot barge poll (no offense lads)
-
Good thing I've used all the lsd i've ordered from there. Have/had 7g of very nice weed coming from the USA (vendor Mark Howe) to Europe, ordered it 2 weeks ago and I know it was sent. We'll see what happens but anyway, I do invite the police to come and check me out LOL! As a customer, if prepared well, there's nothing to worry about. However, if you are stupid or just ordering too much, then you better be worried. Sorry but that's a fact.
It's a pity about TFM, their goods were really nice and plenty of it got even re-sold here on SR. There are still lsd listings on here of stuff that came from there. I won't say who is selling it but for people who knew TFM, it's pretty obvious.
-
Don't knock the F market. They had High grade organic home grown, no chemicals, no bullshit, no worries. It was the admin's choice to accept those payment methods, not the vendors idea. im sure the vendors weren't too excited about it, they were intelligent, stand up guys. The vendors there NEVER fucked ANYONE EVER ! ! ! ! great people all around, all of them ( except the paypal / western union thing ) and will be missed. The little people tried to warn them, the little people have a better outside perspective on things, they are too busy with payments and security to see what they are doing. They were told to stop using hushmail when the auction site got busted ( im pretty sure thats what happened to the auction site ) but they wouldn't listen.
AF finally took his autoresponse hushmail menu off after we pleaded with him for a very long time, he finally caved and knew we were right.
As far as the weed only vendors, them ever coming over here would be the best thing that ever happened to this place, seeing some of the vendor reviews here. those guys would not fuck you EVER and you never had to worry about getting some weird or laced weed. I already mentioned I used to know of a guy, DR. Green was his name, he used to spray his weed with chemicals like WD-40 rumor has it. Now thats some fucked up shit, he was never part of TFM though.
Good thing I've used all the lsd i've ordered from there. Have/had 7g of very nice weed coming from the USA (vendor Mark Howe) to Europe, ordered it 2 weeks ago and I know it was sent. We'll see what happens but anyway, I do invite the police to come and check me out LOL! As a customer, if prepared well, there's nothing to worry about. However, if you are stupid or just ordering too much, then you better be worried. Sorry but that's a fact.
It's a pity about TFM, their goods were really nice and plenty of it got even re-sold here on SR. There are still lsd listings on here of stuff that came from there. I won't say who is selling it but for people who knew TFM, it's pretty obvious.
I hope you guys revisit this thread and respond, I'm really surprised at how heartless half the mother fucker's on this thread are. This really ruined my day. I loved my vendors there and the forums were always friendly too. The place, over all, seemed more responsible or friendly or something, but then I guess it turns out they didn't know what they were doing from a criminal standpoint.
Stupid or not, a bunch of dudes just had their lives ruined for selling grass and mushrooms, that's a fucking tragedy. Someone on the threads mentioned that poor kid who got shot in Florida, but at least he's been mourned, where is the mourning for all the sweet dudes who've had their lives ruined by police? And, of course, everyone always goes on about how "they knew the risks," but the question here is more a matter of ethics, isn't it? Just because some kind hearted dude in 30s Germany "knew the risks" of hiding a Jew, wouldn't have made things one bit less inexcusable were he imprisoned for it... Finally, there is all the "hard asses" who tell us "that's just how it goes." But fuck that, isn't at least a tiny part of what we're about here, even what we're about when we get wasted, changing "how it goes?" I even wrote Adam a letter once, telling him how awesome the FM was, some pig-necked ape wearing a shirt that's six sizes too small is probably reading it right now.
I just can't understand it, and that's why I'm stupid, and that's why I'll end up in trouble with them someday soon. How is it that a human being can become so bureaucratically indifferent to the faces of the others around them that they could usher them into gas chambers or lock them up like animals? How is that a human being could so easily forsake their humanity in the name of "duty," instead of realizing that their only duty as a human being is to /think/. Lack of /thought/, i.e. banality, is the root of all evil. But I'm sure all my sentimental nonsense goes over here on the SR threads about as well as it will in my prison cell. I've just always thought, in the great tradition of outlaws like Hunter S. Thompson and Sasha Shulgin, that drug culture and getting wasted has always had a radical element to its core, a hatred of untruth, and that even its "sickest" manifestations have much more to do with the world Police enforce than the side-effects of any drugs people might use to try and escape it.
Happy fucking 4/20. Apparently, I could go on with my sentimental nonsense forever, but I hope at least one person could relate to it, even if I have gone on too long.
So... Now to business... I'm just going to lay it on the line, think what you will. TFMP, you mentioned Mark, his name wasn't in any of those DEA subpoenas and shit, I hope he's safe, I hope he's okay, not only was his weed my favorite but he was a sweet dude. I received a package, with the funny wrapping as always, just yesterday. I also have/had an ounce coming from that dude who sold the mids? What was his alias, can anyone remember? I don't recognize it on the indictment, so maybe he came out clean to? Now... You can all laugh at me and tell me I have it coming as much as you want, but I /did/ use PP and there must be at least dozen records of me dropping bill after bill (at least a couple of grand over the last two years) on Colbeck, what the fuck does that mean? TFMP, you dared the pigs to come at you, but what does this mean? I didn't realize until I came to SR how stupid I've been with security (it obviously wasn't emphasized as much on TFM), I admit I'm an idiot, they'll have a special name for guys like me in prison, I'm sure of it, I guess I figured if something like TFM was up there in the first place, and had been for a while, they must have all their bases covered (just like many here on SR probably suppose). Do I really need to format all my hard drives, fucking encrypt them, and only browse Tor from a Linux USB to be safe? Do you think regular FM customer's should start flushing their shit down the toilette immediately? Hecklers and Captain Hindsights aside, to all you REAL FM regular customers, do we need to do anything, is a knock at the door just a matter of time? As I said... I was stupid... I did use PP... The FM website has my address, it has records of my transactions, etc. etc.
But even still, what confounds me the most about all of this, isn't my own stupidity, but the thought that some LEA is reading this right now and laughing to himself that my squirming is funny. It's that look they get, you know?, that fury and enjoyment in hurting other people, you can see it in those photos from Abu Ghraib, "Thumbs up! We got the nigger!" Please, for the love of all that is holy, I beg you to /think/. Okay guys... That's quite enough out of me, I just wish this thread had a little more sympathy for those poor vendors and helpful tips for us former customers and a little less "That's what you get."
"That's what you get" is what pigs say.
-
Yea i didn't see the guy who sold mids on there either. Cashdrop been busted for sure though. Ugh, google maps, why do you have to be so reassuring.
-
Don't knock the F market. They had High grade organic home grown, no chemicals, no bullshit, no worries. It was the admin's choice to accept those payment methods, not the vendors idea. im sure the vendors weren't too excited about it, they were intelligent, stand up guys. The vendors there NEVER fucked ANYONE EVER ! ! ! ! great people all around, all of them ( except the paypal / western union thing ) and will be missed. The little people tried to warn them, the little people have a better outside perspective on things, they are too busy with payments and security to see what they are doing. They were told to stop using hushmail when the auction site got busted ( im pretty sure thats what happened to the auction site ) but they wouldn't listen.
AF finally took his autoresponse hushmail menu off after we pleaded with him for a very long time, he finally caved and knew we were right.
As far as the weed only vendors, them ever coming over here would be the best thing that ever happened to this place, seeing some of the vendor reviews here. those guys would not fuck you EVER and you never had to worry about getting some weird or laced weed. I already mentioned I used to know of a guy, DR. Green was his name, he used to spray his weed with chemicals like WD-40 rumor has it. Now thats some fucked up shit, he was never part of TFM though.
Good thing I've used all the lsd i've ordered from there. Have/had 7g of very nice weed coming from the USA (vendor Mark Howe) to Europe, ordered it 2 weeks ago and I know it was sent. We'll see what happens but anyway, I do invite the police to come and check me out LOL! As a customer, if prepared well, there's nothing to worry about. However, if you are stupid or just ordering too much, then you better be worried. Sorry but that's a fact.
It's a pity about TFM, their goods were really nice and plenty of it got even re-sold here on SR. There are still lsd listings on here of stuff that came from there. I won't say who is selling it but for people who knew TFM, it's pretty obvious.
I hope you guys revisit this thread and respond, I'm really surprised at how heartless half the mother fucker's on this thread are. This really ruined my day. I loved my vendors there and the forums were always friendly too. The place, over all, seemed more responsible or friendly or something, but then I guess it turns out they didn't know what they were doing from a criminal standpoint.
Stupid or not, a bunch of dudes just had their lives ruined for selling grass and mushrooms, that's a fucking tragedy. Someone on the threads mentioned that poor kid who got shot in Florida, but at least he's been mourned, where is the mourning for all the sweet dudes who've had their lives ruined by police? And, of course, everyone always goes on about how "they knew the risks," but the question here is more a matter of ethics, isn't it? Just because some kind hearted dude in 30s Germany "knew the risks" of hiding a Jew, wouldn't have made things one bit less inexcusable were he imprisoned for it... Finally, there is all the "hard asses" who tell us "that's just how it goes." But fuck that, isn't at least a tiny part of what we're about here, even what we're about when we get wasted, changing "how it goes?" I even wrote Adam a letter once, telling him how awesome the FM was, some pig-necked ape wearing a shirt that's six sizes too small is probably reading it right now.
I just can't understand it, and that's why I'm stupid, and that's why I'll end up in trouble with them someday soon. How is it that a human being can become so bureaucratically indifferent to the faces of the others around them that they could usher them into gas chambers or lock them up like animals? How is that a human being could so easily forsake their humanity in the name of "duty," instead of realizing that their only duty as a human being is to /think/. Lack of /thought/, i.e. banality, is the root of all evil. But I'm sure all my sentimental nonsense goes over here on the SR threads about as well as it will in my prison cell. I've just always thought, in the great tradition of outlaws like Hunter S. Thompson and Sasha Shulgin, that drug culture and getting wasted has always had a radical element to its core, a hatred of untruth, and that even its "sickest" manifestations have much more to do with the world Police enforce than the side-effects of any drugs people might use to try and escape it.
Happy fucking 4/20. Apparently, I could go on with my sentimental nonsense forever, but I hope at least one person could relate to it, even if I have gone on too long.
So... Now to business... I'm just going to lay it on the line, think what you will. TFMP, you mentioned Mark, his name wasn't in any of those DEA subpoenas and shit, I hope he's safe, I hope he's okay, not only was his weed my favorite but he was a sweet dude. I received a package, with the funny wrapping as always, just yesterday. I also have/had an ounce coming from that dude who sold the mids? What was his alias, can anyone remember? I don't recognize it on the indictment, so maybe he came out clean to? Now... You can all laugh at me and tell me I have it coming as much as you want, but I /did/ use PP and there must be at least dozen records of me dropping bill after bill (at least a couple of grand over the last two years) on Colbeck, what the fuck does that mean? TFMP, you dared the pigs to come at you, but what does this mean? I didn't realize until I came to SR how stupid I've been with security (it obviously wasn't emphasized as much on TFM), I admit I'm an idiot, they'll have a special name for guys like me in prison, I'm sure of it, I guess I figured if something like TFM was up there in the first place, and had been for a while, they must have all their bases covered (just like many here on SR probably suppose). Do I really need to format all my hard drives, fucking encrypt them, and only browse Tor from a Linux USB to be safe? Do you think regular FM customer's should start flushing their shit down the toilette immediately? Hecklers and Captain Hindsights aside, to all you REAL FM regular customers, do we need to do anything, is a knock at the door just a matter of time? As I said... I was stupid... I did use PP... The FM website has my address, it has records of my transactions, etc. etc.
But even still, what confounds me the most about all of this, isn't my own stupidity, but the thought that some LEA is reading this right now and laughing to himself that my squirming is funny. It's that look they get, you know?, that fury and enjoyment in hurting other people, you can see it in those photos from Abu Ghraib, "Thumbs up! We got the nigger!" Please, for the love of all that is holy, I beg you to /think/. Okay guys... That's quite enough out of me, I just wish this thread had a little more sympathy for those poor vendors and helpful tips for us former customers and a little less "That's what you get."
"That's what you get" is what pigs say.
I agree with you here on so many levels. I have pondered a million times how cops can do what they do. It seems to me that you would have to be at least partially sociopathic to be a cop and sleep at night. FWIW, I wouldn't sit and wait for a knock at the door. For one thing, if it does come it'll be a while. Judges are not exactly going to be rushing to issue warrants to arrest small time customers. If you were buying elbows, then yeah, time to get rare. Otherwise, just live your life. There are just too many legal obstacles for too small a reward in chasing down everyone who was buying smoking bags. I think they are prolly happy to know that you're scared shitless and prolly can't even smoke a joint right now. Besides, if they do come after you, you'll have plenty of time to lament it then, no need to borrow all that trouble ahead of time when most likely, nothing will come of it.
I do feel for them, all of them. I got the news today that a good friend of mine got popped manufacturing a few days ago. He's out right now, but I guarantee you they are gonna stick it up his ass sideways, and this is not someone who needs to be caged and removed from society. Eventually, we the people will have enough, but until then, the law operates without any sort of compassion or concern for liberty or life. That's just our reality.
-
I just can't understand it, and that's why I'm stupid, and that's why I'll end up in trouble with them someday soon. How is it that a human being can become so bureaucratically indifferent to the faces of the others around them that they could usher them into gas chambers or lock them up like animals? How is that a human being could so easily forsake their humanity in the name of "duty," instead of realizing that their only duty as a human being is to /think/. Lack of /thought/, i.e. banality, is the root of all evil.
Psychopathy. That is the root of all evil. And of course, the related pathologies that psychopathy induces in susceptible people via transmission through families and institutions. (like pathological narcissism).
Note: Psychopathy/Sociopathy are the same thing, the words are interchangeable.
The 'high-level bureaucrat' who send Jews to prison camps or death camps, who is on trial at Nuremberg, is actually completely indifferent to the suffering of the innocent. Why? Because he is a psychopath. These people are concentrated in positions of power -- but they don't have emotions like we do, they only pretend. They are so far removed from normal human experiences like deep love, deep trust, empathy for the poor, guilt for murdering someone etc... they might as well be a different species of human. This continues to go on today -- ie. the Government officials (both Republican and Democrat) that authorize and promote torture , contueing CIA renditions to 'black sites', theft of pension funds, famine in Haiti, and so forth. I'd venture to say over half of Fortune 500 CEOs are essential psychopaths, and the rest have other pathologies.
They only feel anger, lust for power, lust for sex,, revenge, desire for social status etc. They are social predators . They do not feel or understand empathy or love because they are incapable of feeling it. Neither do they feel any guilt or remorse. Their brains (or perhaps souls) were born without this capability. Thus, due to limitations in their brain structure , they are incapable of feeling 'empathy' (and other normal human emotions), but instead have an insatiable lust for power, as well as incredible skill at deceit and manipulation. These people can lie to you that the moon is made of cheese, and convince you to agree that they are right , by alternating praise tempered with highly tailored vicious personal insults designed to break your will. This makes for a toxic combination.
"Cleckley describes the psychopathic person as outwardly a perfect mimic of a normally functioning person, able to mask or disguise the fundamental lack of internal personality structure, an internal chaos that results in repeatedly purposeful destructive behavior, often more self-destructive than destructive to others [ed: not always]. Despite the seemingly sincere, intelligent, even charming external presentation, internally the psychopathic person does not have the ability to experience genuine emotions."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mask_of_Sanity
"The ultimate cause of evil lies in the interaction of two human factors: 1) normal human ignorance and weakness and 2) the existence and action of a statistically small (4-8% of the general population) but extremely active group of psychologically deviant individuals. The ignorance of the existence of such psychological differences is the first criterion of ponerogenesis. That is, such ignorance creates an opening whereby such individuals can act undetected.
Ideological Mask: The group's stated goals are often at variance with its true nature. Colorful literature and humanitarian values often mask its true motivations. Take, for example, the disparity between the CIA's stated goals, such as "Creating special, multidisciplinary centers to address such high-priority issues such as nonproliferation, counterterrorism, counterintelligence, international organized crime and narcotics trafficking, environment, and arms control intelligence", and its widespread use of terrorism, torture, overthrowing democratically elected governments, installing foreign dictators, drug trafficking, arms smuggling, etc. Also, compare the public humanitarian front of the Anti-Defamation League with its sordid history of illegal domestic surveillance, character assassination, and collaboration with foreign spy organizations.
First Criterion of Ponerogenesis: “One phenomenon all ponerogenic groups and associations have in common is the fact that their members lose (or have already lost) the capacity to perceive pathological individuals as such, interpreting their behavior in fascinated, heroic, or melodramatic ways” (Lobaczewski, 158). When a group has succumbed to pathological influence its members soon lose the ability to distinguish normal human behavior from pathological. This atrophy of critical faculties in relation to such individuals becomes an opening to their activities. It can also be used to identify potentially dangerous groups.
Characteropathy and Psychopathy: Groups dominated by characteropaths engage in fairly primitive activities, and are thus easily broken by normal society. Psychopathic leaders, however, are often more clever, and use characteropathic individuals as subservient tools. When arrested, such individuals accept the paramoral ideals of their leaders, acting as the group's scapegoat and accepting the majority of the blame. Psychopathic leaders, when in court, will correspondingly shift the blame to their underlings. A large-scale example of this dynamic is the scapegoating of low-ranking military officers for war crimes condoned and/or ordered by higher-ranking authorities."
http://ponerology.com/evil_2b.html
-
@adorno:
First of all there was no disrespect from my side at all, actually I'm quite sad what happened to ALL OF THE GUYS. I don't wanna say too much about it but I'm pretty sure every single one of them got busted. The guy with the mids was Leon. I hope and don't think the last orders were tempered with by the DEA but I can not guarantee it obviously. I got my last order delivered as usual. We are all in the same boat when it comes to paypal, they for sure have our records. From now on it comes down to the amount you have ordered. TBH, an ounce will sound like you are a re-seller. I purposely ordered always below 10g, like I do here on SR, due to the fact that in my country anything below that you get away with a fine. It is also the max amount you will ever find in my home and if they ever should pay me a visit, there is not much they can do. Besides that I do not use my home address for deliveries (unregistered PO box). Payments to Brian C. are one thing, possessing stuff is another. Yes the connection obviously can be made.
Don't get me wrong, I do not know everything but I'm old enough to know, that as someone who just consumes and doesn't resell, there's not much to worry about. As re-seller, I would get rid of the PC and all drugs you have. If they still come after you, the only thing they have to show are the paypal payments and matching orders from TFM database but without the goods and proof that you have made these orders, there is just not enough evidence to put you behind bars. You still will need a lawyer though if it really comes to this. I don't think it will.
-
I think all vendors should supply SR with a small sample of their product at periodic intervals to prove they are not LE.
STOP being idiots! You seam to care more if you don't loose a few bucks over a scam than if the whole market goes down!
ALL Screened markets are a DANGER to the market owner! What you'll say? "Hey! Send me a sample to John Smith, 123 backalley st, 12345-123 Sometown - some state to prove you're not LE"? Well, if he his LE he will send you a fucking SWAT team instead of a sample and your market is dead and gone.
-
http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=78bc8cd44cc724cb369acf29a601ee7e.jpg
-
@adorno:
First of all there was no disrespect from my side at all, actually I'm quite sad what happened to ALL OF THE GUYS. I don't wanna say too much about it but I'm pretty sure every single one of them got busted. The guy with the mids was Leon. I hope and don't think the last orders were tempered with by the DEA but I can not guarantee it obviously. I got my last order delivered as usual. We are all in the same boat when it comes to paypal, they for sure have our records. From now on it comes down to the amount you have ordered. TBH, an ounce will sound like you are a re-seller. I purposely ordered always below 10g, like I do here on SR, due to the fact that in my country anything below that you get away with a fine. It is also the max amount you will ever find in my home and if they ever should pay me a visit, there is not much they can do. Besides that I do not use my home address for deliveries (unregistered PO box). Payments to Brian C. are one thing, possessing stuff is another. Yes the connection obviously can be made.
Don't get me wrong, I do not know everything but I'm old enough to know, that as someone who just consumes and doesn't resell, there's not much to worry about. As re-seller, I would get rid of the PC and all drugs you have. If they still come after you, the only thing they have to show are the paypal payments and matching orders from TFM database but without the goods and proof that you have made these orders, there is just not enough evidence to put you behind bars. You still will need a lawyer though if it really comes to this. I don't think it will.
TFMP, I knew you weren't disrespecting, that's why I gave you a shout out!, you seemed like one of the few people who weren't... Yeah, I should have an Oz. coming from Leon, but I'm not holding my breath...
I wonder what it means that Leon and Howe came out clean? I hope they didn't make deals, maybe because they were "guest vendors" on TFM they were able to keep their anonymity protected? Who knows? It was mainly those two I bought from! (Howe for the good stuff, Leon for the filler).
In the meantime I guess we should all keep are eyes peeled. I'm actually thinking the worst that's going to happen is that we're going to loose our Paypals... I don't have much in my house either, just some grass and a vape, but I do have some labglass in the basement with hash oil residue on it (I just can't bring myself to throw away several hundred dollars worth of labglass!). It isn't for manufacturing so much as for little experiments on my own (separating CBD from THC, extracting alkaloids, a simple synth here and there), but I doubt an explanation like that would carry much weight with the Police! Anyways... If they had a search warrant for my house I suppose a quarter, a vape, and some oily lab glass would be the least of my worries.
http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=78bc8cd44cc724cb369acf29a601ee7e.jpg
You said it brother... I've actually made a little promise to myself, but I'm sure I won't follow through on it: when they're all confined and the info about their prisons, etc., is up on the WWW, I'm going to send them some snail mail, in a few years, you know?, "Tough luck... How you holding up? Stay strong... etc. etc." Maybe that would just be adding insult to injury, but I wouldn't want those guys thinking the rest of us didn't feel for them, for what little that's worth now.
-
http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=78bc8cd44cc724cb369acf29a601ee7e.jpg
:(
I was so very sad to hear that Joot had been busted. The same as when I heard about Eneylsion's bust. A mix of sadness and anger, really. And panic, wondering if I should clean house, lol.
-
I think all vendors should supply SR with a small sample of their product at periodic intervals to prove they are not LE.
STOP being idiots! You seam to care more if you don't loose a few bucks over a scam than if the whole market goes down!
ALL Screened markets are a DANGER to the market owner! What you'll say? "Hey! Send me a sample to John Smith, 123 backalley st, 12345-123 Sometown - some state to prove you're not LE"? Well, if he his LE he will send you a fucking SWAT team instead of a sample and your market is dead and gone.
Don't misunderstand me. I'm the last one to say make shit harder for vendors. But I think maybe it should be considered that we pay a membership fee as users. That money funds mystery shoppers who check all vendors. The vendor would never know when they were serving a mystery shopper either. These mystery shoppers could have a seperate rating system that we can see, but not change or add to. I think it would be a good layer to add. Because LE is not gonna send you drugs unless your're a big fucking fish. Big fish don't feed here at the only overcrowded mud hole in Onionland.
-
It's not about making vendors life easier or harder, I'm talking about the market owner himself.
Put yourself in DPR's shoes:
To screen sellers yourself you need to ask them to send something somewhere, and that somewhere is an address you've access to.
To have that legion of verification customers you have to screen them, means you've to know them, they've to know you.
You know how often some folks byte that one of "make a deal with LE", so the clock is ticking until one gets caught and goes that way, therefore you're about to be dead meat.
And all this for what end? Screening sellers just renders one outcome: prevent scams, has no other utility - and certainly not to prevent LE from roam around. But scams are only a few bucks, whereas jail time is jail time, a part or the rest of your life sent away down the toilet.
Therefore, if DPR wants to spend the rest of his life behind bars, he can follow your advice...
-
http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=78bc8cd44cc724cb369acf29a601ee7e.jpg
where did you get that link? PM me
-
I feel like they should do a small check on each vendor to show their loyalty and not let any new buyers join.
The place is getting fairly big as it is!
This is a good idea, but hard to implement. I think all vendors should supply SR with a small sample of their product at periodic intervals to prove they are not LE. Doesn't even have to be a dose, just enough to show it's drugs. But problem one is where to send the sample, as I'm sure SR isn't in the habit of giving out a mailing address. One way could be some of SR's staff could be like the undercover shoppers these stores hire to shop like a customer, but they are really just making sure shit is legit. Even if buyers had to fund such a thing by paying a membership fee I think that would acceptable. Think of it like insurance. It may suck to pay that premium, till you total a beamer with 25 miles on it and you do it by hitting another beamer. There could even be two kinds of account, one free that allowed X amount of purchases per month, say one or two, and the paid account which allowed unlimited. As for freezing new memberships, I don't think this would help. The buyers aren't the target nor the security problem, the vendors are. As of now they are pretty safe, though. So long as everybody plays by the rules. I would rather lose or pay more money if it means staying free.
The other issue with the vendors supplying small samples is this may not be enough to guarantee they aren't LE. But, as far I know, the cops can't send you drugs, that would be entrapment. Especially with the mystery shopper model, they wouldn't know if they were sending to a user or staff.
I also like this.
-
Lol LEO would never pose as a vendor. It's not practical. No one's just going to jump on a big buy with someone who has no ratings unless you're an idiot that somehow obtained a large sum of money.
They're not going to come kick in your door for ordering a gram of something either.
Resources+Man Power = Costly amounts of money coming out of the chiefs sallary.
The only way I can se LE getting ahold of a vendor account is if they bust that vendor the vendor turns snitch hands over the account to LE.
Take the paranoia down just a notch guys :P
-
Lol LEO would never pose as a vendor. It's not practical. No one's just going to jump on a big buy with someone who has no ratings unless you're an idiot that somehow obtained a large sum of money.
They're not going to come kick in your door for ordering a gram of something either.
Resources+Man Power = Costly amounts of money coming out of the chiefs sallary.
The only way I can se LE getting ahold of a vendor account is if they bust that vendor the vendor turns snitch hands over the account to LE.
Take the paranoia down just a notch guys :P
Thank you, Dominatrix, for a dose of reason here.
First of all, if we go back to the original indictment for TFM, it is only for the sellers. Even with all the sloppiness over there (and as others have said sellers here don't trade or store their addresses on SR. Things are safer here.) the LE knew the buyers but did not go after them.
For various reasons, primarily cost and getting bang for the buck this is almost always the case. When the domestic online consult OP Hydro busts hit, the only people busted were the owners of the sites and the doctors who prescribed like 500 scripts for 90 tabs of Hydro/APAP 10/325 a month and not much else.
Yes, you run a greater risk if you are ordering very large quantities but for the same reason if you order drugs from overseas, and it gets seized by customs, 99.9% of the time (not if we are talking kilo's of heroin of course), you will get a form letter. Unless you are stupid and contest the seizure, the evidence is destroyed within a year and it ends there. No charges, no record, nothing. No one is going to spend the time or money to try to prove you ordered an ounce of weed or a gram of coke.
It has been said a million times but it pays to keep in mind anyone can send anyone anything in the mail. Even signing for a registered package doesn't indicate guilt ("I don't what it was, I thought maybe it was something I ordered from ebay or something from relative). In the rare controlled delivery, you have to indicate that you know that package is yours, that you ordered it and accept delivery if it.
Point is, on Silk Road, it would be stupid for LE to pose as a seller. There is not enough to gain. If anything, they would pose as a buyer who would try to get to know some sellers and maybe get friendly with some of them, and try to get clues about where they are, their operation or even set up a "private buy." All highly forbidden here, but lets face it some (bad) people have a knack for getting (good) people to trust them too much.
I worry the most about SR being taken down since as its popularity increases it really becomes a target for so many law enforcement authorities worldwide.
Yes, it is a fucked up country where someone could get a life sentence for selling some acid on the net. That is why we need to keep pressuring politicians to change these arcane laws that punishes nonviolent drug offenses harsher than violent crime where there is a real victim. Most of us know this, but nearly half of the prisoners in the US are there for nonviolent drug offenses, many serving long sentences. Most of them should not be in jail at all for these types of "crimes."
The sellers over at the Farmer's Market will plea out for a lot less than life (the press release was designed to scare as much as possible) but it is still sick that they even talk about anything more than freakin' probation for something like selling Acid!
The Drug Policy Alliance is great organization to get involved in and donate to if you care about this (and we all should):
www.drugpolicy.org
-
Could someone clear things up for me/community:
Why the hell did everybody get extradited to the US, why don't they get convicted in their own country?
Is it because they were an organisation? Or will every vendor get convicted in the US if they operate on their grounds?
Thanks,
EDIT: I just read through the indictment and saw this (cheap LSD though hehe)
"Colbeck would receive approximately 271,029 in Paypal transfers from customers of the Farmer's Market for purchases of controlled substances, including $2,160 for the purchase of over 30 grams of LSD bij an agent of the Drug Enforcement Administration ("DEA") acting in a undercover capacitity ("The UC") and would send approximately $64,000 from his paypal account to the defendant Colbec and other unidicted co-conspirators."
Well that was fucking stupid
-
Could someone clear things up for me/community:
Why the hell did everybody get extradited to the US, why don't they get convicted in their own country?
Is it because they were an organisation? Or will every vendor get convicted in the US if they operate on their grounds?
Thanks,
EDIT: I just read through the indictment and saw this (cheap LSD though hehe)
"Colbeck would receive approximately 271,029 in Paypal transfers from customers of the Farmer's Market for purchases of controlled substances, including $2,160 for the purchase of over 30 grams of LSD bij an agent of the Drug Enforcement Administration ("DEA") acting in a undercover capacitity ("The UC") and would send approximately $64,000 from his paypal account to the defendant Colbec and other unidicted co-conspirators."
Well that was fucking stupid
They just weigh whatever the lsd is in like blotter or vials and give that as the weight.
Also, I think the dea was able to go get them since they sold to the US, I dunno?
-
Yah, the government has extradition treaties with most countries, so that they can freely arrest their citizens if committing a crime that affects the U.S. and if a country doesn't cooperate with extradition the U.S. usually bullies them into it anyways. Hell, we run the Colombian drug enforcement agency, and the do whatever we say as long as we keep giving them funds.
-
you mean pretend to do what you say...i read an article where the US was funding government agencies in laos to irradicate poppy field and these guys kept sending in fake video footage and using the funds to setup new fields. +1 for laos get that china white
-
Yah, that is what happens when the country is poor they have to look good to get funds while still helping the narco trafickers out to get their slice of the pie too. More power to them, but it sucks we waste trillions on funding other countries to fight a drug war they don't care about when we are in debt and could spend it on so many other things that would benefit us and not on a losing ideological war.
-
I just received the most divine Agent Orange from Budsbuddy, former seller on TFM. Jeez, I had a couple of g of this flower a year ago and was desperate to get my hands on his latest batch. He sent it on April 12th and it got checked at Frankfurt airport customs. As usual, no problem, impeccable service and OMFG, this is hands down the best thing in over 30 years of toking! You can find very good stuff here on SR but this kind of quality I've not come across yet.
He asked me to let him know what I think of it but how the fucking fuck could I?? :'(
Any other customers who got some of it?
I never ever thought this would make it and had written off those few hundred bucks and didn't even mind. And today, thanks to cross pond shipping, I receive a package from an imprisoned man. Happy and sad at the very same time. I probably will freeze half a g of it and on the day of my death, if plan-able, smoke it and die happy. In case of sudden death, someone will inherit it.
-
...I probably will freeze half a g of it and on the day of my death, if plan-able, smoke it and die happy. In case of sudden death, someone will inherit it.
I'd be happy to be in your will ^.^
-
I'd be happy to be in your will ^.^
So is my wife ;)
-
Lol LEO would never pose as a vendor. It's not practical. No one's just going to jump on a big buy with someone who has no ratings unless you're an idiot that somehow obtained a large sum of money.
They're not going to come kick in your door for ordering a gram of something either.
Resources+Man Power = Costly amounts of money coming out of the chiefs sallary.
The only way I can se LE getting ahold of a vendor account is if they bust that vendor the vendor turns snitch hands over the account to LE.
Take the paranoia down just a notch guys :P
Add to this:
1) The risk to public safety- imagine the scandal if some teenager overdosed and died from heroin sent by a vendor posing as LE. And placebos wouldn't work because of the feedback system.
2) Every package sent would have to be delivered via controlled delivery because of (1 above) and also because without a secure chain of evidence, proving someone received it would be impossible.
Don't misunderstand me. I'm the last one to say make shit harder for vendors. But I think maybe it should be considered that we pay a membership fee as users. That money funds mystery shoppers who check all vendors. The vendor would never know when they were serving a mystery shopper either. These mystery shoppers could have a seperate rating system that we can see, but not change or add to. I think it would be a good layer to add. Because LE is not gonna send you drugs unless your're a big fucking fish. Big fish don't feed here at the only overcrowded mud hole in Onionland.
I agree- I do wish that SR was a little more exclusive. Not as in "Make it invite only now that I've found my way here", but as in make the membership have more value than just that of a throw-away account. I'd be willing to pay for membership... My stats mean something to me, and I take them seriously, but not everyone does.
Maybe a two tiered SR, the first tier being free and public, and the second tier being invite only, based on stats and requiring dues... Not sure what the incentive to move to the second tier could be. Perhaps lower SR commissions, and lower prices. I dunno, just thinking out loud more than anything else...
-
I just received the most divine Agent Orange from Budsbuddy, former seller on TFM. Jeez, I had a couple of g of this flower a year ago and was desperate to get my hands on his latest batch. He sent it on April 12th and it got checked at Frankfurt airport customs. As usual, no problem, impeccable service and OMFG, this is hands down the best thing in over 30 years of toking! You can find very good stuff here on SR but this kind of quality I've not come across yet.
He asked me to let him know what I think of it but how the fucking fuck could I?? :'(
Any other customers who got some of it?
I never ever thought this would make it and had written off those few hundred bucks and didn't even mind. And today, thanks to cross pond shipping, I receive a package from an imprisoned man. Happy and sad at the very same time. I probably will freeze half a g of it and on the day of my death, if plan-able, smoke it and die happy. In case of sudden death, someone will inherit it.
It makes me happy in some weird way knowing at least one other person is as ripped up about the whole tragedy as I am. Stupid or not (and we all were I guess), those dudes were all pretty affable. Oh well...
Howe was my guy at TFM... In the midst of the whole thing, Howe's order made it through, but Leon's mids never did... Howe's was just beautiful organic pureness man... Not this dried-out miracle grown garbage you find everywhere else except for maybe the best CA dispensaries. I feel the same way about Howe's flowers as you did about budsbuddy's. Was budsbuddy the ginger snaps/green dragon/cookie guy too? I know I must've ordered something from him over the years but I can't remember what.
Anyways, stupid or not, TFM was best: bubblecious hash, sand pollum, joot's chocolates, I tried them all at one point. Feel free to reminisce with me, and if and when you ever stumble across a vendor on the SR you dig, your word as a former FM member will mean more to me than most others on here. This was my first SR experience: Tony76!
-
Have anyone been sentenced here yet? Or are they just kept locked up indefinitely "awaiting further investigation" or such?
-
Damn i miss TFM, they had THE very best herbs i ever had.
Im pretty sure LEO moved in on them because they started selling MDMA. This was literally a couple of weeks before the busts.
Prior to that is was strictly MJ only with a bit of LSD.
-
Also when ordering lsd, you could be sure to get what you ordered. I just recently found a hidden stash of some blotters I've completely forgotten about.
4 x WoW from Joot and it was clean and fantastic as always. Again special thanks to user wretched, who was a big help in order to get my set right ;)
Unfortunately things are quite different here on the road when it comes to acid...
-
Damn i miss TFM, they had THE very best herbs i ever had.
Im pretty sure LEO moved in on them because they started selling MDMA. This was literally a couple of weeks before the busts.
Prior to that is was strictly MJ only with a bit of LSD.
"they" had been selling mdma well before they opened the "rave shop"? you are talking about. they just didn't sell it on the TFM store, and they talked about how it was banned from their site, doesn't mean they weren't selling it...just not on that site. The indictment talked about the majority of their investigation coming from before they even had a Tor hidden service set up, and that was when the majority of their mdma sales took place. I don't even remember much in the indictment about the MDMA, mainly the LSD...I could be wrong here though, it has been a few months since I read it.
-
Worse in USA is two things: the increasing use of mercenaries (blackwater) to fight our battles, and do our logistics. And the steady non-stop building of private prisons to house the increasing number of people whose lives have been forfeit to our corrupt system.
Stephen Colbert ranted spectacularly about the slave wages of the Prison Industrial Complex the other night. Worth checking out.
I feel like they should do a small check on each vendor to show their loyalty and not let any new buyers join.
This is a good idea, but hard to implement. I think all vendors should supply SR with a small sample of their product at periodic intervals to prove they are not LE.
Perhaps a lottery with randomized willing participants? Still not really a great idea.
As my meagre view on this, US imperialist extraterritorial laws allow them to bust and (try to) extradite anyone doing anything illegal even using servers based in the States, as well as selling to Americans. Imho, it makes sense for an EU only version of SR. All business done within the EU, or at the very least, to the total exclusion of the US & dependencies, it's data and financial infrastructure, citizens based there etc etc. Our American friends might not like this but I would ask you to reflect on the chances of doing a few years in an ok Euro prison and life in an American dungeon for the exact same 'offence'.
Anyone know where would Canada stand? Would we be allowed to shop on SilkRoad.eu ?
You moron, Obama is just as corporate-owned as Romney.
Vote Cthulu! Why settle for the lesser evil?
Yes, because you spend your days on sites like InfoWars and Above Top Secret, you obviously are more aware of the elitist agenda to pump disinformation and propaganda to the American people. Not everything is a fucking conspiracy, dude.
Conspiracies aren't real just as lobbying is not bribery. Boardrooms are for scheming strategics and privatized policies that just coincidentally happen to capitalize on the weaknesses of others by accident. Major consensus narrative = "truth". ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_consensus_narrative ) For what it's worth, I think Michael Ruppert has one of the clearest global perspectives on this crazy fucked up world.
On a different note: I got a -1 karma already. WTF. While I am new to the dark net, if I don't kill myself I intend to have a meaningful experience here on the SR. Building a good rep is important to me and obviously any honest user. How do I know who gave it to me and why. Is it bad form to "catch up" on a whole thread as I've done in this posting? Do they not like my suicidal tendencies? (No, I don't care for the punk group.) Was it because I found redundant threads about buying Canadian Bitcoins and repeated a post (my personal experience / Canadian how to guide) in each thread? Do I talk too much?
~ RutGroove
Wish I could vote for Dennis Kucinich or Ron Paul. Or even Rosanne Barr. (She's seriously running.)
-
On a different note: I got a -1 karma already. WTF. While I am new to the dark net, if I don't kill myself I intend to have a meaningful experience here on the SR. Building a good rep is important to me and obviously any honest user.
Good luck with that. I guess it is because you are way too political or probably because you chose the wrong thread to voice your opinion. This here is more about good weed an clean LSD. Anyway, don't worry about this Karma thing, it does not make or break your life after all.
-
On a different note: I got a -1 karma already. WTF. While I am new to the dark net, if I don't kill myself I intend to have a meaningful experience here on the SR. Building a good rep is important to me and obviously any honest user.
Good luck with that. I guess it is because you are way too political or probably because you chose the wrong thread to voice your opinion. This here is more about good weed an clean LSD. Anyway, don't worry about this Karma thing, it does not make or break your life after all.
Karma means nothing. People with revolutionary ideas are always mocked and ridiculed by the established ideas and systems that are already in place.
-
On a different note: I got a -1 karma already. WTF. While I am new to the dark net, if I don't kill myself I intend to have a meaningful experience here on the SR. Building a good rep is important to me and obviously any honest user.
Good luck with that. I guess it is because you are way too political or probably because you chose the wrong thread to voice your opinion. This here is more about good weed an clean LSD. Anyway, don't worry about this Karma thing, it does not make or break your life after all.
Karma means nothing. People with revolutionary ideas are always mocked and ridiculed by the established ideas and systems that are already in place.
Thanks for the reassurances. I'll try not to worry. I guess my orders will make me legit. Yes, I'm a consumer whore and anonymously proud of my substance abuse legitimate nose rape.
-
Hey everyone TFM has been busted they busted about 10-20 people, shit is pretty fucked up all i gots to be saying! It is still open you can log in and buy shit. DO NOT BUY ANYTHING OR YOU RISK GETTING YOUR DOOR KICKED IN. be careful and good luck!
LE is aware so be on your toes. Stay safe
Here the link
www.wftv.com/ap/ap/crime/8-arrests-in-international-online-narcotics-market/nMZy9/
Page no longer exists.