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Discussion => Security => Topic started by: medicineman684 on February 23, 2013, 12:31 am
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I'm looking to get moneypak numbers from (off SR) clients, load into prepaid debit cards and then withdraw via cash-back at stores. Does anyone have recommendations? Ideally I'd like to get some cards that require no ID. I suppose I could buy a fake ID but not sure what else they ask for verification? Does anyone know of any that do not require an ID? Any ones that you recommend or avoid?
thanks!
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Prepaid debit cards require valid id and SS#. The only anonymous sort of card you can get are those sketchy polish ones that always get flagged cause some other douchebag on the same account uses them for fraud. You can exchange your btc for cash or gold through exchangers.
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Thanks for the reply. I totally agree about cashing in through gold with btc. However I would like to be able to offer the option of letting people pay me with moneypaks. Guess I'm wondering how to cash these in. One route would be to get a fake ID if all they are asking for is a scan. Of course I wouldn't have a matching social so not sure if that would get flagged. Do they ask for anything else but a scanned id?
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You need more than a fake ID you need a valid social security number. No way around this I am afraid. I looked into this to death.
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Surely someone must be selling valid SSN's. I wouldn't use it for anything nefarious...just for getting an ID....Just thinking I could get a fake ID to match the name and I'd be in business.
Any ideas on where to get an SSN on the onion?
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It's against policy to sell real (stolen) SSN's or cc's on the Road, and I think it's reasonable to assume that policy extends to recommending sources for those things in the forum. Not a mod, just my two cents.
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Having money in a prepaid card has nothing to do with laundering money, laundering money is when you make the money look like it's coming from a legit source.
Having the money in an account has zero to do with laundering :)
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Masterblaster, you don't know what are you talking about? Card can be flagged if suspicious activity has been done. It's normal that bank will blocked a card if you load money do withdrawal, load money do withdrawal and again again again. Because it's so stupid activity and they know that you wash some money or want to cash out it anonymously but we all know that prepaid cards has not been designed to cash out money, it's additional function of this cards and main function is to do payments online/instore. I have never heard that this polish cards you're talking about are flagged.
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It's against policy to sell real (stolen) SSN's or cc's on the Road, and I think it's reasonable to assume that policy extends to recommending sources for those things in the forum. Not a mod, just my two cents.
SE2, I have no doubt you speak from the word of the sr manual. I trust your posts more often than not but, there are vendors on this road that offer ss# id, ins card, ect. Why are their accounts not shut down? I'm not being a dick to you just a serious qts, if someone starts or is putting child porn up I would hope that would be shut down. i know eyes can not be everywhere so we have to patrol ourselves, hint hint..So where do we draw the line? by the manual, book, morals, appeal, money, all according to who? Oh yea the rules of the road.. Got it..Just a little trippy today, thanks for your time..
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SE2, I have no doubt you speak from the word of the sr manual. I trust your posts more often than not but, there are vendors on this road that offer ss# id, ins card, ect.
Just looking out for us all, my friend. I have no idea what percentage of users are LE, but they monitor this forum (I actually got access to an LE-restricted forum the other day, and some of us were mentioned by name). We start throwing out recommendations, and that may not be the best thing for the folks being recommended, especially if they're not SR vendors, who enjoy a fairly high degree of anonymity.
I sent the OP a PM with some interesting info. Just didn't want to put it all out there, y'know?
sleepy
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You are a wealth of knowledge ;) Thank you again.. This is the exact reason people are supposed to do, read 50 posts, to learn from the people that have learned. You people short cutting are hurting yourselves, but more important you can and will endanger others..Stop short cutting and read and learn..PEACE
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So much conflicting advise on this sort of topic. I am curious about this way of getting BTC into dollars annonomysly. I think calling it "money laundering" in the title is a little inflamitory. The idea of a credit card tapping an offshore account sounds good. I'd guess governments would find a way to monitor such transfers into their countries. So, seems sketchy to me.
I'd also like a pm with the less publishable details if possible ;-)
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Masterblaster, you don't know what are you talking about? Card can be flagged if suspicious activity has been done. It's normal that bank will blocked a card if you load money do withdrawal, load money do withdrawal and again again again. Because it's so stupid activity and they know that you wash some money or want to cash out it anonymously but we all know that prepaid cards has not been designed to cash out money, it's additional function of this cards and main function is to do payments online/instore. I have never heard that this polish cards you're talking about are flagged.
Are you asking me or telling me. All i know is i researched this and the only people offering "anonymous" accounts are people who either stole paypal accounts, or polish citizens who open a bank account and give out debit cards which then cause the entire account to be blocked cause someone used a card to defraud someone else. You *can* get virtual credit cards, and maybe find some without having to give personal info, but they dont work on most sites cause theres no physical address tied to them. Everything else requires a SSN, sorry, federal law, no business is going to skirt that for you.
You can either cash out with money or metal through certain exchangers, ive never used them personally but its better than cashing out into your bank account.
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OK laundering is not the right word..I guess it's "cash out". Looking for the best way to cash out moneypaks. Any other ideas? PM's are fine!!
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I found this site a while back, there still around, theres a pretty good chance all these atm services are scams but if you got money to burn....
http://www.casinomoneytransfer.com/debit-card-accounts-compare/
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So, I got one of those Green Dot prepaid Visas today to do a test run to see if I could use it as a VCC-type setup. No way. And, while you could use this to launder money, you couldn't launder much, and anything that goes through it might be subject to overwatch. Basically, you buy the card in a store, but to activate it, you get asked a million questions ranging from simple things like SSN and DOB (easily purchased) to family information and previous addresses. Then, after all of that, you are told that a new card with your name on it will be mailed to you. You don't get to tell it where to mail the card; it already "knows."
So, you can load these card with lots of cash (they even have incentives for loading it with more than 1k), but everything is tied, and tied tightly, to you. You would basically have to target someone, get his complete history, and then intercept his mail IOT use this for money laundering, and even then, there's no reason to think they can't freeze the funds.
I have 5 VCCs on the way from Poland (I know they've been blasted in this forum for being unreliable), and I'll let you know how they go. Basically, I am trying to use them in a paypal scam. So, wish me luck!
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Actually, there is a way around this. I am thinking of offering this service to SR. Not really sure if there is a demand for this sort of thing. Since, I am new here, I am currently working on the logistics on how to get it done as efficiently as possible. PM me if interested. Not selling anything yet, but don't mind going into a little more detail privately.
Cheers!
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Keep us updated sleepyeyes...I've been eyeing those polish vcc's myself
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Interested to hear more, sleepy.
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I've never had any problems with my VCC's while using them online :/ I don't understand what there is to complain about? You load your money and purchase what you want...?
Not one of my cards (I have sold around 200 cards) have been blocked....
Dank
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Actually we're (or at least I) am talking not about vcc's, but real plastic debit cards that you can withdraw money from atms with. My mistake there. I am guessing sleepyeyes meant the same.
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So, I got one of those Green Dot prepaid Visas today to do a test run to see if I could use it as a VCC-type setup. No way. ...
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I have 5 VCCs on the way from Poland (I know they've been blasted in this forum for being unreliable), and I'll let you know how they go. Basically, I am trying to use them in a paypal scam. So, wish me luck!
I am curious about all this stuff as it pertains to spending SR Btc anonymously.
I do want to hear a review of the Polish cards that sound as great as a DrDeepwood/Ron Paul Synth manual :-) (joke for people who read too much in the forum).
I can't wish you luck scamming on PayPal though. Maybe I have just not spent enough time consorting with the 'unsavory element on the darknet' yet? I think people successfully scamming with credit cards may cause it to get even harder to do the kind of financial shenanigans I think we ought to all be able to do (spending SR Btc anonymously). Scammers make the life of non-scammers less fun in many ways. Just my .002 btc, NWN
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First let me say, I have been doing "cash outs" for over 5 years now and You always need more then one way. Gold, Silver and metals are great but then if you want cash you need up with the same need to "cash out". For small amounts under 1-2k, I would just buy Gold (Gold can be tracked just to let you know) or use a "cash out" service on SR. You will need away to get valid SSN and DOB (not sharing) for anything more then 10k you are going to have to invest to become a ghost. It can be done and will cost you around 10-30% depends of who you use. If you take trips around the world a banking passport always works great. Looking into panama passport CD account and you get a 5 year passport " This program allows foreigners to immediately obtain a Panamanian Passport under the condition that they make a 5 year time deposit (certificate of deposit - "CD"), at the Banco Nacional de Panama, which earns a minimum of US$750 per month in interest income."
I keep my income
40% Gold and Silver (Savings)
30% Cash
30% Bitcoin ( They are growing why cash out now)
In a nut-shell just do like the rich white guys do and you'll be ok.
hope this helps some
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very informative reading guys...thanks
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Nugz: I'm not scamming...looking to cashout
Madman, thanks for the interesting tips..will keep that in mind. Curious as to how gold can be tracked. Right now I have it sent to a post office box with a fake name. I pick up the gold and sell it at local goldshops for cash...those guys don't give a fuck who I am. So far so good but I haven't hit big numbers yet..heading there. :-)
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Yeah how the hell can gold be tracked, were not talking about bricks here with serials on them, coins are fine and dont have any markings like that. Worse case u just melt the fucking bricks down and recast them, its fucking gold for christs sake. Gold buyers are supposed to get ur id by law, so get a fake id and give em ur "name" cause they're not the police and cant scan ur id to see if its legit.
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Is there any Bitcoin experts out there that know if Bitcoin purchases can be traced to an individual?
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Is there any Bitcoin experts out there that knows if Bitcoin purchases can be traced to an individual?
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If you get bitcoins anonymously through a service like bitinstant (bitinstant grrr...), then it would be near impossible to track it. For extra safety you can visit the site you are buying from and your wallet site through a proxy or at a local cafe. Good luck tracking that!
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use a mixer like bitcoinfog or something to anonymize your coin. Yes they can be traced to an individual if you buy them with your bank card and dont mix them.
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Nugz: I'm not scamming...looking to cashout
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I did not intend to imply MM was trying to scam anyone. If you re-read my post above, I think you will see (in the quote) what I was referring to.
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I'm looking to get moneypak numbers from (off SR) clients, load into prepaid debit cards and then withdraw via cash-back at stores. Does anyone have recommendations? Ideally I'd like to get some cards that require no ID. I suppose I could buy a fake ID but not sure what else they ask for verification? Does anyone know of any that do not require an ID? Any ones that you recommend or avoid?
thanks!
-mm
Money laundering is actually the act of making money that came from a not-so legit source look like it came from a legit source.
Having your money on a pre-paid card is just hiding it. If it's ever found, you still don't have an explanation to why it is there.
So, the name of the title is mis-leading, it should be change to "Using pre-paid debit cards to store my cash"
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I definitely have the money laundering part figured out. Now I just need to figure out how to MAKE THE FUCKING MONEY so I can launder it!!!!!