Why do people say to only order domestic?

I've read a lot of people here and on things like /r/drugs when DNMs are mentioned to only order domestic and never international. Is there a reason for this besides the added risk of customs? They give the impression that you'll be completely/extra fucked if they open the package. I figured realistically that if that occurs (your vendor's stealth is probably rather questionable if their packages are getting regularly seized anyway) you would just not get it, that's it. Unless of course it's large quantity, in which case you're fucked whether it's domestic or international and it's opened. It just seems the instruction to never order international is a bit overboard and unfounded in its claims as to why it shouldn't be done...but perhaps I'm misinformed.

I've not had a single hitch with my 15 or so international orders thus far over the past 3 months. Of course that doesn't mean it can't happen, but you can't just say I'm lucky, I guarantee there are veterans with far better success rates than me that would put the notion that you shouldn't order international to shame, especially those ordering massive MDMA weight regularly from the German vendors


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[49 Points] totric:

I'm going to answer the question by only reading the post title.

  1. Faster shipping times
  2. Less package investigation
  3. Possibly less punishment


[22 Points] None:

Here's a reason copy pasted from an answer to a different question but you'll get the idea.
"I've also heard USA customs are more harder than AUS."

"They are - and there is a good reason for that. Australia doesn't have the equivalent of Homeland Security or the FBI or the DEA.

When shipping to Aus you have one layer of security to get past, and that is customs. If you are sending a standard letter size, it is not x-rayed. About 1 in every 15 boxes of letters will be passed over by a dog - and a dog that can only work an hour at a time and can only detect one type of sustance. Unless your address has been tagged or the letter profiles, with letters you are home free after that (so fresh drop address, proper MBB packaging and non-profiles envelopes should only be seized 1 in 100,000).

There has never been a drug trial or arrest in Australia where the source of the conviction was an intercepted letter containing drugs. Read that again: there has never been a drug arrest in Australia where the probably cause leading to a warrant and arrest was the interception of an international letter containing drugs.

For packages (ie. not letters) it is a bit different. High risk origins are x-rayed and often looked over manually. Interceptions leading to search warrants and controlled deliveries happen more often with packages, but even with packages 90% of interceptions are the result of intelligence.

So assuming you stick to normal sized letters (150G weight max, 5mm thickness max) your chances of being intercepted are near-zero. If you have ever had a letter 'lost' from an overseas vendor chances are it was never sent and you were selectively scammed. If your letter is seized, you can find out about the seizure since there has to be a proper chain of custody process. They can't just pull out your letters (which are your property) and bin them, there is a formal process that is followed with first customs taking possession of the article and then the Australian federal police taking possession. This all leaves a long paper trail - and if you know how, there is a way of querying to find out if your letter has made it there and been seized or not.

In the USA, 20x the funds are spent on border control and there are more than 10x the people. Even on a per-capita per-parcel package the USA invests a lot more on border security and interception. The difference is not just that there are more organizations working on intercepting prohibited substances (ICE, DHS, DEA, FBI) it is that security is embedded in the process all the way from international crossing points through to local delivery. Staff are trained in every part of the system and know how to check and look for contraban. At the private courier companies and customs clearance agencies there are DEA, FBI and DHS agents embedded with modern state of the art equipment. Every courier company has a liason with one of these agencies, and a computer system within which they update the latest intelligence information.

Just because your package makes it past the international transit point in the USA does not mean it is home safe. It will also be checked and scanned at transshipment points. Every inbound and return address on all letters and packages are scanned and cataloged in the USA. Sophisticated computer programs are used to identify letters and packages that should be inspected further. Australia has no equivalent of any of this, all you have to do is get around the 1 in 10 chance of a dog passing within 30-50 centimeters of your letter.

Australian customs has a total of only 30 dog teams working the entire country, and each team can work a couple of hours each day. There is only one fed police office in each major city that deals with all drugs shipment - including passengers, cargo, containers and mail and each one of these offices only has at the most dozens of people, most at which any one time are working on one of the task forces whose results you see on the news (eg. Chinese syndicate caught with 500kg of ICE - 2 year investigation).

Calling Australia tough is a real stretch and a real myth. Australians import a lot of goods, the border is huge and there are many more pressing concerns (such as illegal immigrants and drug syndicates) that get more attention. The 'hard to ship to' is grossly overplayed, usually by new buyers whose experience is watching television programs about customs or international vendors who want an easy excuse to selectively scam.

I have a lot of friends who have been doing this for a long time even before the online markets, and the sum experience has always been that getting product into aus is easy (relatively). Don't get scammed by vendors and stop perpetuating the myth that customs is 'hard', you are just asking to be scammed."


[12 Points] corporate_complicity:

Ordering drugs online is sketchy. Ordering from a different country is more sketchy. It's recommended that people choose the least sketchy option (especially if this is new to them). It's as simple as that.


[7 Points] biowtf:

Which is a pretty big "fuck you" to those of us who have no domestic vendors, because drugs aren't popular here, which is why we turned to DNMs in the first place.

I've ordered internationally a bunch of times by they way, it was all fine until it wasn't. Suddenly I didn't get like 4 packages I had ordered from 4 different trusted vendors, I got no letters or anything, I haven't ordered since. :/


[6 Points] rappercake:

It's faster and safer to order domestic, but that shouldn't stop someone from ordering international if they want to.


[5 Points] None:

I would say it is fine. I order from Netherlands (Rarely), Norway (also rare) , America, and Canada. I wouldn't order from Mexico, India, Pakistan, South America in general. For US-Canada there are millions of letters sent daily.


[3 Points] hdheuud:

I only read the title but I'm still going to answer the question.

They want to make Money off you by being a domestic resaler. They know that anyone can get, let's say, MDMA for $20/g from overseas. But they can charge $60/g just by shipping domestically. So, to triple the price and put money into their pocket, they try to scare you into thinking international orders are not safe


[3 Points] TeslaBenzo:

Who says that? I don't say that. I say order from the vendor who has the Quality and Quantity of goods you want and they have a proven record of decent stealth.

Bad stealth even locally will get you caught.

I have ordered from all over the world. I do not recommend ordering Express Over Night from China. I had a bad experience with that. But at the time I didn't know the Chinese government subsidizes shipping to the US for chemical companies so they ship Express Commercial if not told otherwise.

do your homework and order abroad you help all us other international order placers by making are odds of being caught lower.


[3 Points] secretivesanta710:

Does anybody know how involved the postal inspectors at USPS are with international orders? One thing I've always wondered is since international orders have to go through customs, once they are through customs do the postal inspectors even give them a second thought or glance considering customs probably already did that? Because what seems to happen with customs is if they find illegal contraband they just seize the order and send you a noitce. Do controlled deliveries happen with international ordesr? If they do I would think they'd happen only with huge quantities. Nothing small or even semi small. But I'd like to hear some other input.


[2 Points] imaballerbaby:

I've always felt (based on my limited experience ordering illegal things from overseas, some of which were confiscated) that in general customs is going to seize your package and send you a seizure notice. I worry about local postal inspectors and LEO having more time to look into these types of things.

At the quantities I order I don't think the feds are interested in me


[1 Points] youtakesally:

Because the ones who write are the ones who are trying to warn. This is not necessarily a bad thing, since it is better safe than sorry, but i think there's a bigger proportion of people taking the highest precautions on this subreddit than on the DNMs in general.

With that being said, I've never ordered domestic, 0 problems (I'm not American, australian or from NZ). But I'm not going to post it since it isn't probably the best advice ya know?


[1 Points] None:

I SUPPORT MY COUNTRY IN ANY WAY I CAN (well a few).


[1 Points] sobulbous:

Is that you ApricotApebot?


[1 Points] Naer-Zed:

is this more fo a US thing? seems like they have the strictist international customs


[1 Points] puppet22:

Because importing drugs is a more serious criminal offense than possessing them.


[1 Points] polvb:

It's easier to scam someone via international, and say it never came in. I ordered a single pill from Netherlands, and it never came in. I'm really skeptical that someone managed to detect that.


[-2 Points] None:

because customs can and will open whatever they feel like opening you idiot.


[-5 Points] None:

Becuase some people are just bitch cunts when it comes to getting drugs shipped to yours house from across the globe.