Will/could a perfect dnm ever exist?

Will/could a marketplace ever exist that the law enforcement are not capable of bringing down/prosecuting? I'm talking in the sense that the pirate bay is illegal in most countries yet has remained for many many years (I know it's blocked in most countries but proxy - hello). But in terms of getting the full site shut down le have since been unsuccessful and never will be as it's essentially untouchable, will such a place ever exist in the dnm? Similar to Silk Road 1 I guess. For instance if someone created it in a country where all of this was not illegal? Anyway thoughts suggestions etc?


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[5 Points] RedSunMarket:

If you somehow did this on a cargo ship in international waters, and you flew the ship under your own flag, or one not belinging to any country, and somehow got the international community to recognize you as an independant nation.

1) I.E. Buy an MASSIVE island in internaitonal waters. 2) Write a deceleration of independence 3) Hope the country you're stealing the land from won't come fuck you up (In case of the USA, they will send the DEA and a SEAL team over, kill you, and then brag about it and say you were the next muslim hitler terrorist) 4) Make a small militia or army for defence. (Think sea, air, and land.) 5) Get a boat 6) Get a sattelite. 7) Launch sattelite and boat 8) Find IP transit providers who want to hook you up to an internet backbone 9) Find multiple ones 10)Router your IP transit to your sattelite. 11) Connect to your island and boat via sattleite 12) Run servers off boat. 13) Masquerade as a neutral peaceful naiton 14) Get accepted into IBAN or SWIFT, and offer the world's best bank secrecy laws. This will make rich people invest in your country 15) Die of old age, this whole process should have taken you about 60+ years, if you're still alive, and have not been assassinated by your population. 16) Have kids who will fuck everything up for you, and bend down and suck USA's cock. 17) Your market goes down and your country makes everything illegal and signs treaties with other countries after your death, therefore ruining you life's work 18) Be forgotten. 19) No, that's it. You're forgotten. Nobody will care. They will sweep you under the dust like all the other ww2 cospiracies we don't know about and never will. 20) Know that, if during your brief existence on earth, there were aliens watching, you were probably the only person or group of people they may begin to even consider intelligent. Oh and, you better have around 15 trillion dollars for all of this. And no, not in USD. Try gold bullion. Things like diamonds are useless, and i'm surprised the US dollar hasn't crashed yet.


[7 Points] None:

copy pasted from my favorite markets security policy:

We realize how long the long arm of the law is and it doesn't stop at "uncrossable" borders. We believe that it is only a matter of time before we are identified but being identified should mean nothing. We believe that we have the necessary plans in place that should we be identified, we will have time to react as necessary and our system will be able to cope.

imho that is all you can ask for. no market will last forever. all you can hope for is that the fallout will afffect as few people as possible.


[5 Points] None:

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[2 Points] None:

On the clearnet you have Craigslist, Alibaba, eBay, Amazon, Etsy and much other markets. Non of which are "Perfect". Most of those sites have ironed out the kinks over time and that is the same that will happen to the darkmarket community. We will have more streamlined sites, services and communities but due to the anonymity and illegality of Darkmarkets there will never ever be anything close to "Perfect".

As for sites being shut down. Most of those sites where shut down because their owners where incompetent in some way; even Ross, who had his identity compromised. If you take a look at very illegal clearnet carding, frauding and drugs sites which are run by Russians, Germans and Chinese you'll see that they have sites and markets running for many many years. Once some competent owners like that pop up and run their own sites with perfect OPSEC I am pretty sure we'll see some of the bigger and popular markets last more than a year.


[2 Points] detrasdetiimbecil:

I expected a decentralized market after SR shut down. The larger a site gets the bigger target it becomes to LE. If we can find a way to decentralize product listings and vendor feedback so it's not so much a site or service so much as it is a protocol (ala Bitcoin) then there's nothing to shut down but individual vendors.


[1 Points] oVerde:

Any suggestions for country?

Heard North Korea would be the bomb, lol


[1 Points] zozimoz:

Off-world travel will be the game changer, politics always lags behind technology.


[1 Points] DarthSlither:

Actually, there is a DNM coming up soon where law enforcement wont be able to do anything, and it will be No Holds Barr as to what will be allowed to be sold on the market. The site will be a Multisig market with some deep security precautions, not to mention I heard they will have multiple redundant sites around the globe, so each time you connect to them, you never know which site you´re on. Me personally I think that´s kewlbeans.....untouchable by the law and redundant sites...that way if someone tries to ddos the site, they´ll have other sites still up and running. I didnt hear exactly how many sites they would have but i did hear it was more than three. I heard they may be coming up on line within the next couple of weeks. Vendors may want to think about heading over there if security and off the blip of law enforcement is a concern.


[0 Points] reddit_is_hacked:

In an academic sense you would probably have to have a botnet running hidden TOR services with some sort of bridge to clearnet - say, another botnet that published steganographically keyed pictures to various clearnet services every 5 minutes with a new .onion address.

Oh, and ... fuck everyone who isn't just lookin' for a bag o' weed. All this "organs and grenade launchers and child exploitation"... jesus fucking christ. Swallow a bullet.


[0 Points] gesotto:

Who knows what the future might bring. All new sort of approaches are coming up. Check out Outlaw Market, you may find a different approach to DNMs.