Upcoming State of the Sub

Upcoming State of the Sub

It has been a long while since we've put out a State of the Sub. This is on top of my list. I'm hoping we can get something out in the next couple of days. There's quite a bit to talk about: new mods and upcoming policy changes.

Sub Criticism

There was a thread regarding the sub: https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkNetMarkets/comments/4svfwk/the_state_of_this_sub/

Here's the thing, I know /u/dlayover123 was in contact with /u/sapiophile regarding accusations of doxxing by minerva. He had also supplied me information regarding this matter. I spoke with sap and I trust his judgement and his thoroughness and he felt while there were some odd things, there wasn't anything cut and dry. For one, much of the accusations of doxxing did not occur on this sub, to my knowledge. We don't moderate other subs. Members accused of doxxing should be dealt with by the Reddit admins. If we see someone doxxing on our sub, they will be banned. I never saw this from /u/minervathrowaway on this sub.

I've also seen "evidence" from another perspective. I honestly don't know what the hell is going on. If there is solid evidence that a user is doxxing, the Reddit admins should be dealing with it. If doxxing appears on our sub, we ban the member and report to Reddit admins. /u/dlayover123 does say that he is in contact with Reddit admins regarding this matter, as he should be.

The situation is extremely muddied. I think we've all seen the back and forth b/w Pelican, minerva and dlayover123. Like I said, I've seen some of the other perspective as well and I have no clue what's going on. There have been accusations and innuendos and such.

Seeing this play out in the sub is getting old. And its stopping now. I see /u/dlayover123 essentially stalking any thread mentioning Pelican, not offering anything new to the discussion other than to say shit and then it goes back and forth. Bottom line - if there is proof, let the Reddit admins know, show the proof, and they will ban the user permanently. Honestly, the level of this makes me think there is much more to the feud b/w these 3. And its not going to play out in the sub anymore. And on the flip side, we are probably going to change how we approach vendor's marketing on the sub, especially the more guerilla marketing tactics. There have been a ton of complaints in this area as well.

So given there is a lot of criticism regarding the sub's content, we are going to show that we listen. I'm working with the other mods on fine tuning what we'll be doing, but there will be a big change in how we approach things and how we moderate and curate content. In a nutshell, we aren't going to let juvenile antics play out here anymore. This is a place to discuss the DNM's, not anything else. When we release the State of the Sub, we'll better outline the changes in our moderating policy. I sometimes feel I'm fielding arguments between kids. Half the time its pretty much saying "Stop pulling your sister's hair!" So given there seems to be a consensus that the sub is heading in the wrong direction, we are prepared to change course and change how things are done.

Again this will be outlined further in the State of the Sub.

~Econ


Comments


[113 Points] None:

100 upvotes and I delete my account tonight.


[14 Points] None:

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[10 Points] Cosmic-CS:

I'm glad this is happening too and I'll be interested in seeing what the changes will bring. This sub can't become toxic. It's too much of a valuable resource for so many users. Do what you need to do


[5 Points] ReaganStarship:

Nobody may give two shits about my opinion but here it is anyway.

K E E P šŸ‘ D R A M A šŸ‘ P R I V A T E šŸ‘

This feud is gonna happen. Shit happens. But unless someone is scamming, or threatening someone's health, shut the fuck up or keep it off this sub. Make your own bitching and moaning sub that way your drama doesn't turn other people off of this sub.

And it takes two to tango, kids. One of you needs to nut the fuck up and stop feeding the troll. Cause right now all parties are trolling and feeding the other side by continually and promptly responding to every mention of the other in any thread.

/u/theeconomist1 is absolutely right. /u/dlayover123 and /u/Pelican_Vendor are BOTH acting like children very publicly on this sub. He said, she said, wah wah. One of you cough pel cough has what it takes to quit defending your pride, be the bigger man, and handle this behind closed doors like a fucking adult. If I were a mod both of you would be temp banned, because you're both acting like children who need a time out.

That being said, I'm open to discussion on this, I may be wrong, but that's my two cents.


[2 Points] jackoass:

Interesting. Can't wait for the official state of the sub. Any possible idea when the official word will be put out?


[2 Points] None:

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[2 Points] Vendor_BBMC:

If you didn't discuss vendors, there wouldn't be much to talk about really, would there?

"I see Hansa has changed to a larger font". Or you could talk about each other. In my opinion, DNM professionals are equally entitled to an opinion, so long as we make it clear we are a vendor with a commercial interest.

If I say "BBMC is fucking brilliant", people will give it the appropriate weighting ie totally believe it. Because I'm brilliant and I never lie. Vendors should be given the opportunity to fuck up and show how crazy or deluded they are, otherwise, how would we ever know?

MXE vendors must be allowed to unravel publically, blaming their shipper. Xanax vendors must be allowed to accuse each other of being every other vendor.

Charismatic meth vendors must be allowed to wordlessly show you their product melting and reforming in microscopic detail in front of a laptop screen showing somebody calling them "out" on reddit.

Its not an opinion. It's the only true thing you'll ever see on a text-based drug forum.


[1 Points] None:

Looking forward to the enhancements econ. Hope they're not too strict though. I mean, we're not playing scrabble here...

The attacking of vendors without proof needs to stop for sure. A lot of vendors don't have time to twat around on here defending themselves every 6 hours. And that fucking idiot who blamed HulkedBenzos for a reaction. How about askingĀ r/drugsĀ before you tarnish someone. Apology or no apology, that was just moronic. Shill wars and stupidity puts vendors off posting and that can only be bad.

I've noticed vendors going. Take kalicz. Was getting shilled so he quit r. Atm there are issues, but the main guy, a relatively big vendor, has been put off this place. Then what happens, youre stuck with Pelican and you bitch and moan.

While I'm on a rant, is it really necessary that people are starting threads after a few days to ask where packs are? I think we'd be really fucking lucky to catch an exit scam in 5 days.

Could you maybe set limits and ban those posts? Maybe there could be a separate sub for delivery checks? They are useful, but again, can get annoying when there's so many.


[1 Points] Lucyintehsky:

Even in this thread adressing it, they are still going at each other.

The influx of young americans and their childlike behaviour is what is ruining this sub for a lot of users, and im speaking about both of them because clearly they are not adults.

Woulndt it be easyer to get rid of both of them ? they are making a fool out of the mods even when they try to tone it down with a thread like this...


[1 Points] Nano-Bunny:

Love all the hard work the mods put into this sub. I do agree that some of the personal drama on the sub has gotten a bit overwhelming lately and it will be nice to see it end for a little while.

I do want to say though, that we shouldn't go crazy with getting rid of all the silly drama. Personally I love some of the crazy stuff that goes on here, it's why I continue to lurk here. So maybe try to tone it down some, or at least maybe only step in when it gets out of hand like the 3 of them were in the past few weeks or so, but really I don't think it would be a good idea to go too crazy on the drama hunting.

Again, love the work you guys put in and I look forward to the months to come. Thanks for all you guys do.


[1 Points] None:

read: more rules and more censorship.


[0 Points] None:

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[0 Points] DareToHope:

I'm working with the other mods on fine tuning what we'll be doing, but there will be a big change in how we approach things and how we moderate and curate content

<3 Looking forward to reading the update and new policies. The fucking headaches that people cause in here we're getting outta control.


[0 Points] None:

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[0 Points] smittysteroids:

The point of this sub is the spread of information that is critical to the survival of dnm users. Lets clean it up. Entertainment is great but thats not what this is dedicated to.


[0 Points] Jay-__:

If doxxing appears on our sub, we ban the member and report to Reddit admins.

More like if doxxing appears on 'your' sub, admins will ban it. I sure as hell wouldn't risk it, honestly. Better be safe than sorry. :/


[0 Points] None:

This is all so fucking gay, can't we just be glad entire LSD sheets are being sold at the same price than a couple of cool looking sneakers?


[-1 Points] None:

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[-1 Points] doublecupjones:

Only bailey james can save us!!!


[-2 Points] None:

dont close down the sub please just as i was starting to get intrested becoming a vendor on the DNM :)

DONT FALL FOR THE SYSTEM MAN

we are 100k subscribers here we are people to!


[-10 Points] 1percentof1:

tl;dr anyone?