Any vendors that sell BZP, pFPP, 4-MTA, PMMA, etc? [for collecting purposes only!]

These products can sometimes be found in shitty (and dangerous) ecstasy pills. Right now there are some PMA and PMMA pills circulating in Europe, and I remember that before the UK mephedrone craze and the subsequent rise of cathinones, there were a lot of "party pills" containing piperazine derivatives, many of them produced in New Zealand.

I want to make it clear that I do not plan to try these products, and that I will never give or sell any of these things to other people.

This is really just the drug nerd in me who wants to find them for collecting purposes. In the case of piperazines, they used to be widely available, and I could have bought a lot of them in powder form at the time, but I did not... and now it seems that they disappeared from the market :-(

Today, you can still sometimes find piperazines such as BZP, TFMPP, MeoPP, mCPP, maybe even pFPP or MDBZP although these two are probably very unlikely, in some shitty ecstasy pills, but mostly sold by shady dealers at parties rather than on DNMs. And it is very difficult to find them: since nobody want to use these products (although I could try a low dose of one or two of them), they are always sold as "normal" MDMA-containing ecstasy pills (either because the dealer is an asshole who found some old stash of NZ "party pills" and want to make money out of them, or simply because he's stupid and doesn't even know what pills he's actually selling). I wonder if 2C-B-BZP isn't still available on some clearnet RC shops, I think this one is more recent.

Same thing with PMA, PMMA, 4-MTA, 4-CA, 4-CMA, etc, except that those ones can be really very dangerous. From time to time, harm reductions associations doing ecstasy testing discover that some batch of ecstasy pills actually contains one of these molecules, and warn users to be careful with such and such pills. But this means that there are people actually producing these products in bulk in Europe, although it is not clear why they do it (it could be mistakes during the synthesis of MDMA, or sociopaths who don't care and simply flood the market with PMA because it is easier to make or something).

But that makes it impossible to find all these molecules in pure, powdered form (and that's how I want them, just 100mg of each for my drug collection would be great). They are always hidden in weird ecstasy pills and most often mixed with a lot of other things. I guess the only way to find them is to know people involved in clandestine MDMA manufacture, people pressing pills, etc...

My only luck so far was finding some TFMPP powder and a few BZP+TFMPP pills but that's it.

(Then of course there is a shitload of interesting molecules I would love to find and actually try, such as MDEA, MMDA, MBDB and so on, the ones from the 2C-T-X family, that mysterious AET/Monase, that legendary 4-MAR stimulant, or more simply, pure unsubstituted (meth)cathinone. But I am afraid that those ones are a thing of the past, while all the other ones can still be found from time, it's just that nobody selling PMMA pills tells it to its clients, if only he knows it himself...)


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It's wayyy easier to source anise oil than safrole oil, which is why PMA/PMMA even exists.

Then again, why go through all that trouble when you could always get MDP2P?

4-CA? Lol. I've only seen it pop up once and I don't think it'll ever come back because 1) That one RC supplier got a ton of flak for carrying it, and 2) China banned that shiz in October. What a useless chemical, too.

2C-T-x can still be found. Look for vendors ion8 and Evangitis.

I would like to get a hold any of the TMA series. If non-shitty benzofurans were more accessible, I'd buy them up. Haven't seen MDAI around the markets for a while (clearnet either).

I'd probably cream my pants if somebody sold big ol' (or smallish ol') nitrous oxide tanks. I don't feel like going through the trouble of finding a clearnet source, either. Not sure I'd even buy any. But inhaling grease from Whip-It! canisters isn't very appealing.

On a slightly unrelated note: do I have to grow a damn poppy field to get some opium? Where can I git in on dat shit?


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[1 Points] karachay:

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This is sourcing and against the rules isn't it?