Here's a post no one saw I replied to someone with on /r/DNMUK almost a month ago. I thought you guys might find it interesting. He is hailed as a hero and he had novel ideas for sure (although he was not the first drug market - the first ever transaction on the internet was for weed, and we had private forums and places like topix. He wasn't even the first Tor drug market - The Farmers Market was.... except they used PayPal, Western Union etc) but at the end of the day, he was corrupted by power. At his heart he still became a criminal and introduced the very violence he created Silk Road to get rid of.
A lot of people will say they're fake but really, it seems a lot of effort to go through for something that was never even brought up in court. It didn't help them that Mr Force who is now in prison himself for stealing bitcoins from the investigation and selling information to Ross was the very agent playing the character of nob (so unoriginal, too! piggybacking off the name of nod).
Anyway, I hope you guys find it interesting. I think the part that I say is pertinent below is VERY interesting, given that it was in the middle of him deciding to take out a hit or not. These conversations did happen between different parties but have been formatted in a chronological way as to create a narrative of the events.
The three separate contracted hits of 5 people with one more rumoured, the musing over the PR disaster of allowing poison listings to stay up from staff members while Ross decides it's okay, the selling of completely unregulated weapons (first on SR, then on it's own market), keeping diaries and scans of staff IDs, keeping chat logs, telling people his secret IRL, selling shrooms in the beginning, various other opsec and technical mistakes, posting his e-mail... loads more stuff. It's chilling to read how Ross talks about his first hit compared to the person he was on the Silk Road forums. These are the people seen as visionaries.
(2013-01-26 10:46) Nob: yes, heah i just saw your message on SR (2013-01-26 10:46) myself: yea, not a ton of money, but it pisses me off to no end. I trusted the guy too much
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(2013-01-26 10:48) myself: I had him send it to me when I hired him (2013-01-26 10:48) myself: for just this kind of situation
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(2013-01-26 11:11) myself: I will. what do you want to do about Curtis
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(2013-01-26 11:12) myself: If you can get someone to force him to return the stolen funds, that would be amazing
(2013-01-26 11:12) Nob: personally, I don't want any contact. i'm clear. if you want something done, i can help you discreetly
(2013-01-26 11:13) myself: what do you mean?
(2013-01-26 11:15) Nob: do you want him beat up. shot, just paid a visit?
(2013-01-26 11:17) myself: I'd like him beat up, then forced to send the bitcoins he stole back. like sit him down at his computer and make him do it
(2013-01-26 11:17) myself: beat up only if he doesn't comply I guess
(2013-01-26 11:17) myself: not sure how these things usually go
Ross to inigo:
(2013-01-26 13:24) myself: your with me right inigo?
(2013-01-26 13:24) inigo (laptop): yes sir
(2013-01-26 13:24) myself: i mean... long term
(2013-01-26 13:25) myself: I don't know what I'm doing wrong
(2013-01-26 13:25) myself: or if im doing anything wrong
(2013-01-26 13:25) inigo (laptop): oh yeah absolutely. i swore my loyalty to you
(2013-01-26 13:25) inigo (laptop): and i will stick by that
(2013-01-26 13:25) inigo (laptop): i take pride in my loyalty above all my other characteristics
Ross to Variety Jones after they realise he has been arrested and is probably on bail, but they also still believe he stole the coins:
(2013-01-27 01:13) cimon: As a side note, at what point in time do we decide we've had enough of someones shit, and terminate them? Like, does impersonating a vendor to rip off a mid-level drug lord, using our rep and system; follows up by stealing from our vendors and clients and breeding fear and mis-trust, does that come close in yer opinion?
(2013-01-27 01:14) myself: terminate?
(2013-01-27 01:14) myself: execute?
(2013-01-27 01:14) cimon: Not to mention that whole common law breach of fiduciary duties and duty of care
(2013-01-27 01:15) myself: if this was the wild west, and it kinda is, you'd get hung just for stealing a horse
(2013-01-27 01:15) cimon: Yeah, pretty much. At what point in time is that the response. We're playing with big money with serious people, and that's the world they live in.
(2013-01-27 01:15) cimon: I sure as fuck don't want nob to try it, fuck up, and then have our laundry aired.
(2013-01-27 01:16) myself: unfortunately, there isn't much inbetween
(2013-01-27 01:16) cimon: I know a guy, and he knows a guy who knows a guy, that gets things done.
(2013-01-27 01:16) myself: in a perfect world, we'd get the money back, plus our expenses and maybe beat him up or something
(2013-01-27 01:16) myself: but that's not realistic
(2013-01-27 01:16) cimon: Nope. And it ain't the money, fuck, it's your fault, no one elses. Someday I'll tell you a long story from a guy who explained to me why situations like this are always yer own fault.
(2013-01-27 01:17) myself: so yea, it's a good quesiton I've been thinking about the last 24 hours
(2013-01-27 01:21) cimon: So, you've had your time to think. You're sitting in the big chair, and you need to make a decision. Now, really, things could move fast in the future.
(2013-01-27 01:21) myself: I would have no problem wasting this guy
(2013-01-27 01:21) cimon: Well ok then, I'll take care of it.
Inigo to Ross, after Ross reveals that he has been arrested and they both agree that the police would love to pick his brain about SR:
(2013-01-27 01:22) inigo (laptop): i don't condone murder but thats almost worthy of assasinating him over lol
(2013-01-27 01:22) myself: well, this is the wild west inigo
(2013-01-27 01:22) myself: they used to hang cattle theives
(2013-01-27 01:22) inigo (laptop): there are certain rules to the underworld. and problems can sometimes only be handled one way
(2013-01-27 01:22) inigo (laptop): thats true
(2013-01-27 01:23) inigo (laptop): sometimes its the only solution
(2013-01-27 01:23) myself: hopefully it won't come to that
(2013-01-27 01:23) myself: i wish the best for people in general
(2013-01-27 01:23) myself: and love them
(2013-01-27 01:23) myself: even flush
(2013-01-27 01:24) inigo (laptop): mighty big of you
(2013-01-27 01:24) inigo (laptop): but for the security and future of this enterprise, he may be too much of a liability
(2013-01-27 01:24) myself: yea, i'm getting advise now
(2013-01-27 01:24) inigo (laptop): i guess you'll have to weigh what he knows
(2013-01-27 01:25) inigo (laptop): i can only imagine the kind of person you turn to for advice
(2013-01-27 01:27) inigo (laptop): at least for a situation like this
(2013-01-27 01:27) myself: heh
(2013-01-27 01:27) inigo (laptop): some mafia don mentor?
(2013-01-27 01:27) myself: I have excellent advisors
A very pertinent point of their convo:
(2013-01-27 01:34) myself: you wanna know one of my deepest fears in all of this
(2013-01-27 01:35) inigo (laptop): what's that
(2013-01-27 01:35) myself: being wildly successful
(2013-01-27 01:35) myself: and becoming extremely powerful
(2013-01-27 01:35) myself: and being corrupted by that power
(2013-01-27 01:36) inigo (laptop): thats a very real possibility
(2013-01-27 01:36) myself: inigo
(2013-01-27 01:36) inigo (laptop): power has corrupted even some of the best of men
(2013-01-27 01:36) myself: I need something from you
(2013-01-27 01:36) inigo (laptop): anything
(2013-01-27 01:37) myself: you need to call me out if ever I am over confident in my ideas, or abusive of my power
(2013-01-27 01:37) inigo (laptop): i wouldn't hesitate to
(2013-01-27 01:37) inigo (laptop): don't worry
(2013-01-27 01:38) myself: thank you
(2013-01-27 01:38) inigo (laptop): especially knowing that's your deepest fear, i won't let that happen, or at least i'll do anything in my power to stop you if I notice a seed of power corruption getting to your head
They then go on to talk about how Curtis is a scammer and maybe he deserves what he gets.
Ross and VJ:
(2013-01-27 01:53) cimon: You would have surprised me if you had balked at taking the step, of bluntly, killing Curtis for fucking up just a wee bit too badly.
Also, if you had balked, I would have seriously re-considered our relationship.
We're playing for keeps, this just drives it home. I'm perfectly comfortable with the decision, and I'll sleep like a lamb tonight, and every night hereafter.
(2013-01-27 01:54) cimon: Let's just try and not make a habit of this, mkay.
(2013-01-27 01:54) myself: well put
They then talk about how they can make sure Nob is not a fed and will actually carry it out.
Ross to Nob:
(2013-01-27 15:25) myself: ok, so can you change the order to execute rather than torture?
(2013-01-27 15:26) myself: he was on the inside for a while, and now that he's been arrested, I'm afraid he'll give up info
(2013-01-27 15:26) Nob: yes, is that what you want?
(2013-01-27 15:26) myself: and he ripped me off
(2013-01-27 15:26) myself: it is, after i had a chance to think on it
(2013-01-27 15:26) myself: never killed a man or had one killed before, but it is the right move in this case.
Then Ross got the famous tomato sauce fake death photo and fake drowning trout photo of Curtis and the rest is history as far as the chat logs go.
Full chat logs between Variety Jones (Cimon), Inigo, SA Force who is now also in prison for using this Curtis Green hit to cover him stealing coins and Ross. There is LOTS more, all about the arrest and the hit.
Here you can see him talking about putting hits out on LucyDrop, Tony76 and his housemates
this is good shit. people who use the DNMs, esp people on this sub, regard him as a benevolent hero. this shows that he is/was just like everyone else in power - only caring about themselves and their own personal gain. not a suprise honestly.