You are not a badass criminal because you use DNMs and the gov't doesn't care

So I made a post that revealed I was browsing traderoute on my phone.

OMG!

I get the feeling that a lot of people make this whole business into a much bigger deal than it is so that they can stroke their ego and feel cool.

It's like...no, the Feds don't care that you're using a DNM for occasional, small orders of drugs.

We should take all the safety precautions we can, but some people take it SO far and it's weird. Unless you're a vendor or buying bulk, you are NOT some badass criminal that the Feds are gunning for. Using a DNM is still a pretty suburban, middle class thing, so I get why people want to make it seem cooler than it is (that's what surburban middle class people do) but come on.

I am a heroin user who buys mostly on the streets, and I promise that I will get arrested for something related to that MUCH sooner than anything related to the dark web. And I bet that most of you will get arrested doing your darknet drugs (or related activities) long before you get busted for actually buying on the DNMs.

I don't use TAILS, don't tumble or mask coins, and back in 2014 I used a PGP key directly tied to my gmail account that had my last name in it (because I was stupid and didn't understand how it worked, not because I was lazy). I bet most people do similar stupid things, and that it's the small group on here that freak the fuck out enough to stick their TAILS USB up their ass for safekeeping when they're not actively using it.

My thinking: if the government really want to nail me for ordering that gram of dope of traderoute, they have the resources to do it, no matter how much crazy planning I take or how much I try to manage the risk. I could do everything right and they could still get me...because it's the fucking US government, the most powerful organization in the world. But they won't, because it's a waste of their time.

Am I wrong? Or do people dramatize the risk in order to feel cool and make their lives seem more exciting? Sometimes this sub just feels like a bunch of suburban white kids (age 18-22) who don't really know the true drug game and have convinced themselves that they are engaged in the same kind of risky activity in which corner boys and drug gangs are engaged. And I really do get it, life is much more exciting that way, and it makes the act of "copping" off the DNMs that much more exciting/addicting (and I understand why copping is addicting, I do the same thing regarding actual copping...except copping heroin on the streets actually is super risky).

But god do I love the crazy involved posts outlining all someone's risks and fears only to find out at the end that they ordered an eighth of pot.

Edit: seems like I'm about to take a lot of heat for this. I didn't mean to insinuate that it's lame to think this way, or that you're not a criminal for using the DNMs, just that, statistically, it's not as dangerous as this sub makes it out to be. I could be totally wrong though...who knows!! Actually it is kinda lame, but in a pathetic, funny way. Nothing to be ashamed about.

Edit (2): Wouldn't it be hilarious if I was arrested for DNM related activity? Damn, that would be humbling. You all can say "I told you so!!1!" If that happens.


Comments


[132 Points] infr4r3d:

Who would've thought people would take their freedom and livelihood seriously


[35 Points] None:

Im very glad low hanging fruit like this jabroni exists.


[25 Points] ForLol_Serious:

It's multiple felonies using the dnm's no matter the amount ordered bro


[25 Points] Afrochiken:

I don't really see DNM's as a way to view myself as a criminal Mastermind. More or less I just like them so I don't have to bother dealing with a sketchy dude named Mitch in a taco Bell parking lot. But all the safety and tails and shit I do use just because in the unlikely event LE does decided to go after me I'd have a better case in court. It just adds peace of mind you know


[18 Points] TheLaundromat:

"Coolness" aside, getting caught ordering 1/8 of weed can still land you in prison. So basically, you're fucking wrong, and you are exactly the low hanging fruit everyone's talking about. The thing you type of users have on your side though is that LE can't catch most people. Think of vendors as drunk reckless drivers and small buyers as people running stop lights. Most people don't run stop lights even though its not a huge deal, because if you do get caught its still a hefty fine. Be as safe when ordering on DNMs as you would while driving. There isnt a single person sitting in prison wishing they had been less paranoid.


[15 Points] gettinouttathegame:

Dont think they're wanting to seem cool or badass...just wanting to feel secure or safe that what they are doing now or have done in the past on dnm's isn't going to come back later and cost 'em a huge chunk of their life.


[12 Points] Nandy-bear:

Meh, who cares. If it makes people feel a little dangerous, brings something taboo into their life, I say good for them


[12 Points] None:

as someone who lives in a third world shithole. the markets are a godsend. no one in this fucking place has real LSD or MDMA, which I have and I no longer need to expose myself. Or contribute to my local cartel to buy some nerve-burning unknown chemical sold in a pill.


[11 Points] murderhomelesspeople:

Why do things lax and risk it when you an keep things tight and not worry? The DNM's being safe only works if you take precautions to protect yourself.


[9 Points] intothestarz:

I bet you don't wear your seat belt either.


[8 Points] HeadsorTails-Head:

everytime I boot up Tails I feel like Escobars son


[5 Points] GrowillaNugs:

This post is stupid imo


[4 Points] nigtots:

For someone making fun of others that think they're hardcore, you really sound like you think you're pretty hardcore.


[4 Points] pri35t:

/r/iamverybadass


[3 Points] livesindarkness:

This guy nails it bang on. If you're just buying small amounts of drugs (less than ~$3000) it is highly, highly doubtful that you will ever get caught.

When the silk road server was seized, the guv could see the number of orders, the drugs, and the address of every buyer (at that time hardly anyone used PGP). Did they go around knocking on everyone's door to make busts? No, they went after the moderators and major vendors. In fact, even if you're a small time vendor you likely have nothing to worry about.

Every month, thousands upon thousands of seizures are made at customs for small amounts of drugs. All that happens is they send you a "love letter" in the mail, which basically tells you that if you have a guv licence for the substance, call this number. Otherwise it will be destroyed in 90 days. Then that's the end of it.

Remember, it is not illegal to have drugs being sent to you in the mail. It's illegal to possess the drugs. In order to arrest you for this, the police would have to set up a sting operation and a controlled delivery in front of your house. The man power, resources, and money involved to justify this would have to be a substantial amount of drugs which means the receiver is probably reselling.

Otherwise, if the police were actually to show up at your door to show you a piece of mail they seized, you can easily just say "I never ordered that. Must've been one of my enemies trying to get me into trouble". In that case you were never in possession of the substance and thus, have not committed a crime.

If you're ordering drugs valued at less than ~$3000 or so, then using tails, masking/tumbling coins, and even encrypting home addresses are essentially a waste of time. But then again, I suppose it doesn't hurt.


[2 Points] grapedrinkkkk:

Your reaction to the comments on your other post reminds me of this one time I was out walking my dog, and another much larger dog was out with no leash, and this asshole dog just straight up attacked my puppy...my dog tried to fight back but he was outmatched big time, I had to fight the dog off him and run my buddy home.... felt so bad for my dog after that because I could tell his pride was hurt. Just like yours is.


[3 Points] woodymcwoodyface:

Dumbass.


[3 Points] None:

This man speaks truth though. Believe me though if the government could nail you for buying small amounts of drugs they would.


[2 Points] doinsomereviewin:

Anecdote that has no relevance to statistical claims whatsoever but a kid I know got busted for using DNMs... and he was relatively smart about it. Though to be fair that was only because he talked about it to somebody who got popped and flipped so they set up a CD and raided his house while he wasn't home... Came home to a handful of felony charges so I guess it's a "big deal" but the cost of monitoring a sufficient amount of traffic (both mail and interwebs) to make it worth it for the .01% or whatever that have ever used the DNMs to buy drugs doesn't make sense. There's enough dumbos slippin that it's never a big deal.

Personally, I always used to get a bit of a rush when I'd order, the fear that I might get caught, it's like when you're 15 sitting in your 1999 honda civic with your boy Jeremy waiting for your stoner pot dealer with some stupid one word name like Kai to come meet you outside but it's for a week while you wait for the drugs to come.

It's the feeling that you're doing something naughty even among those who are naughty. It's like extra taboo. Eventually it just became, eh, whatever, here's the process, do the thing, wait for the drugs git hiiiighh


[2 Points] TheStateBar:

TLDR


[2 Points] basgin:

Christ, your Reddit post history is very revealing and you're using a phone....


[2 Points] knotmyrealname:

I'm with you brother.


[1 Points] downvote-hide-moveon:

I'm gonna laugh SO hard when u get popped


[1 Points] BassNet:

So you're telling me that since I buy bulk the Feds are after me?


[1 Points] DNM_FuckFace:

I am a badass criminal ask my mom!


[1 Points] Passengr:

And it won't be you they want; it's the higher ups.


[1 Points] Menderlen:

Well some people get paranoid what can I say, and I guess many DNM users aren't the ones with good contacts for or really into the "culture" or whatever so for them it feels kinda cool to still get hard drugs. And it's honestly never bad to be careful, + isn't this sub filled with methheads too?

The only really "badass" thing is that if you do your homework you can score some insane quality stuff that you'd never find on the streets at a good price too, and that'd could impress yer friends.

Anyways, TLDR: who cares


[1 Points] Throwawayyyy63638484:

You literally made a post about this? Wow you're even dumber than I thought. The fact is when you use a DNM you ARE A CRIMINAL and the government does CARE because of these things called LAWS! Did you know people in Germany are still being arrested for Silk Road related purchases? Not that long ago either and some of them for personal amounts of just weed. When you use the mail system to purchase drugs too that's another felony beyond the drugs too if LE wants to make an example of you and know who you are because you're a low hanging piece of fruit like yourself who decides to go on markets via mobile devices and thinks TAILS is pointless, then yes they will in fact make an example out of you. I can't believe you're surprise people are calling you dumb for this either your making such an avoidable opsec mistake there's not much else to say. You have to give people credit for being stupid including yourself. Just admit what you're doing isn't smart. It also certainly isn't as safe and secure as you think.

Edit: also you're not some "badass" because you cop drugs off the street you rebel you! It's cute you think you are lol yes getting heroin on the street is more risky than this but now who's over dramatizing how hard they are?


[1 Points] None:

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[1 Points] whatsmynamep:

Last night i got in a fight with a old drunk. I'm a teen drunk, we both love wine and got a drunk wine fight. I won


[1 Points] shlgn:

I have had multiple run in's with the law, how insulting for some fucking heroin junkie to demean the risk we all put on ourselves. Buying off the streets is safer than importing fucking quanitity from overseas.

Speak for yourself you low life piece of shit.


[1 Points] earthmoonsun:

I think there are more people in the world who are too careless with their privacy than the opposite.


[1 Points] 00zed00:

I don't know whether to take this post at face value, or am I so wrapped in a meme worm hole that my meme world is colliding 😂


[1 Points] DNMLivesMatter:

it not matter of frequency in which I agree small buyers are very less likely to get hit. but it is still good practice to use good opsec. you dont need to go super overboard but using new accounts, different passwords (never reuse the same password is like the only one I'll really stress) and you are fine. tunneling is just a nice thing incase your isp is gonna snitch on ya, but most of the time they aren't paying attention to yo data anyways so you don't have to go as far as that. but plz stop saying dat security dont matter dat bs.


[1 Points] DNrick_sanchez:

shut up FED


[1 Points] Codeman56:

People use the DNM because they want easy access to purer drugs. Pretty simple concept. Has nothing to do with feeling "badass". You'd have to be a moron to do drugs to feel cool. You do drugs to get fucked up. If you wanna feel cool stop ordering drugs on both the internet and on the streets, and do something productive.


[-2 Points] missalfa:

dont think just browsing dnms is a felony itself but stills its very bad opsec.. but hey WHO cares!