Tumbling - Actual links for review

So after going through older posts I was unable to find any links to allow for users to make an informed decision. It was awful to read over and over members pilfering opinion as fact for both sides of the argument. So I decided to do a little research. Here you go for your viewing pleasure.
https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkNetMarkets/comments/2rhaqc/deanonimyzing_bitcoinfog_and_other_tumblers/ What a civilized conversation regarding this topic looks like https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/is-bitcoin-anonymous-a-complete-beginner-s-guide-1447875283/ http://www.jbonneau.com/doc/BMCNKF15-IEEESP-bitcoin.pdf pages 13-14 https://arxiv.org/pdf/1107.4524v2.pdf Highly techincal paper https://www.engadget.com/2016/07/06/startups-seek-to-de-anonymize-bitcoin-to-fight-crime/ https://eprint.iacr.org/2012/596.pdf https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Anonymity https://99bitcoins.com/know-more-using-bitcoin-anonymously https://www.oddsbusters.com/bitcoin-gambling/bitcoin-knowledge-base/anonymous-bitcoin-remain-untraceable/ I don't support either side of the argument. Each individual has to do their own threat anylasis and research to decide what OPSEC works for them. Hopefully this does not turn into the same shit show that my last post did. Name calling and acusations of shilling(whatever the fuck that is) is totally unecessary for keeping users in the community safe.


Comments


[1 Points] None:

It better not. I am done with the shit storm.

Threat and risk assessment are skills that seems to be lacking here. Not trying to piss anyone off. Everything has risk. Tumbling and Not Tumbling have risks associated with them. You are correct people need to look for themselves.

How big is your attack surface etc. Nobody can or should determine anyone else appetite for risk. We are all different. Some like to cover every base have lots to lose. Give zero fucks about a few dollars spent on a tumbler. And if they sleep better then for them it is worth it. Who fucking cares?


[2 Points] ShitQuantikSays:

Everyone should read this post.


[2 Points] DiaperDankFrank11:

So i take it if you obtain your bitcoin in a way not tied to your identity in any way, (example: with cash) there is really nothing to worry about by way of taking a chance with a tumbling service and losing btc in the process and maybe never getting any of it? In that case using a few intermediate wallets should suffice, right?


[2 Points] caliking321:

how would proof of tumbling being effective even be provided? im on neither side. but i do notice people back tumbling on the pure statement that its dumb not too. do the operators of these tumbling sites ever say anything or provide their opinion?


[2 Points] None:

You should post this info to /r/bitcointumbling


[2 Points] FrozenSignal:

To me, Tumbling is alot like using a vpn before Tor. There are cases in which someone did not tumble their bitcoins and in turn was arrested and convicted. Now whether or not the fact of them not tumbling their coins got them arrested, it was used as evidence against them and used as evidence to help get them convicted (See the case against Sheepmarkets Admin who was arrested/ See Sr1 bust of CaliGIRL) Now some will say this evidence alone isnt enough to convict someone of a crime and that most of us here who are small time buyers dont absolutely have to tumble their coins bc theoretical our actual chance of ever getting arrested is so low, it makes tumbling seem unnecessary.

Now i to believe that if your coins are tide to your actual identity and your using your bitcoin for anything illegal you should ALWAYS tumble. But this also has problems such as what Dnmthief said : if your only using 1 or 2 diff mixers it centralizers your bitcoin transactions in such a way where you basically have a single point of failure and if these tumblers were ever compromised they could give you up. If their secretly keeping logs and doing their own cluster analysis they could give you up. If an attacker found a way to break their algorithm and started doing analysis , they could give you up. If there set up as a honeypot from the start, they could give you up. Same as with a Vpn.

I feel like tumbling has alot to do with threat modeling. What a person feels their specific threat model is and whether or not tumbling apply s to their particular situation.

-----Small Time Buyers------ The truth is, i believe, that if your not buying your coins anonymously, then you should be tumbling 110% of the time.

If your buying your coins anonymously such as lbc or other exchange in which your personal identity is not tide to your coin purchase i would say tumbling isnt a necessity but i would still try to tumble anyway and when i did, i would try to diversify my tumbling with multiple reputable tumblers.

----Large Scale Buyers/Other---- i think all large scale buyers, vendors, anyone doing anything illegal with a large amounts of bitcoin should be tumbling with multiple tumblers 110% of the time.

I would say comfortably that everyone really should tumble their coins bc its good OPSEC practice. Alot of us have the habit of getting lazy and in this game when your lazy with your OPSEC, you go to prison. Im not all of you tho. You may have a diff threat model than mine. You may not be doing anything illegal with your coin and not need to tumble.(doubt it if your here reading this).

The important thing, I think, is that were having the discussion in the first place and that were encouraging good OPSEC practices in whatever we're discussing.


[2 Points] Blow-that-Doge:

you fucking idiots still believing in tumbling... lulz... good luck with that once offense software is used against it.....


[1 Points] Seraphim_X:

I found this article also. I think it is worth readin. The website is pretty cool too.https://decryptedmatrix.com/an-analysis-of-anonymity-in-the-bitcoin-system/

We note that several centralized services, e.g. exchanges, mixers and wallet services, have access to even more information should they wish to piece together users’ activity.

This part caught my eye. I was hoping we could get around to discussing free methods of doing this and alternatives. Thank you for providing a few and thanks for the links.


[1 Points] TheLostKardashian:

I highly recommend bitcoin blender / bitblender for these purposes.