[best way to avoid] getting caught receiving (or signing for) drugs (Liability & differences between Security Officer & Personal Signatures)

Ok, so I've read it 1000 times. In the absolute worst case scenario, the post finds your package, they do a controlled delivery and attempt to get you to sign for the package. Does signing really make you liable for the contents? People have to sign for unexpected gift shipments all the time. It seems like it'd make it even easier to frame someone by sending them drugs requiring a signature and then tipping off the post/police. They'd sign because they probably don't see any reason not to, especially if they put the return address & name of someone that person is good friends with. Is signing really a death sentence?

 

Alternately, is it about what happens at the signing? I had to sign for a package once, and I just gave the postal worker a perplexed look and said "I wasn't expecting anything from Germany, I wonder what this is," and then I proceeded to sign it and opened it 3-4 days later. Might that post worker's testimony that I said that have any influence in the trial?

 

It seems to me that everyone thinks that signing for a controlled delivery is the natural point of failure, but I think using a dirty address and/or simple admission of guilt are both much more significant risks to getting convicted when a package is somehow intercepted & a controlled delivery or search warrant is carried out.

 

Does who signs for the package matter? Mother? Brother? Security Officer? Do they all have the same outcome, or is it only significant if you sign? If they sign are they liable?

A friend of mine is lucky enough to have a very present & productive security team manning the front desk of his apartment building 24/7, and they're responsible for handling packages, including signing them (below: why it'd be awesome have that security job). This got me thinking. They have a signature sheet where you're supposed to sign for each individual package to verify receipt. However, he said they haven't asked him to sign for anything in months. Additionally, he even gets the mailbox-sized packages that require signatures in his mailbox already signed for. Since pretty much all drug packs can fit into a mailbox, asking for a signature on any parcel, let alone one that contains drugs, would be raise an eyebrow.

 

Now, let's say he's ordering drugs via DNMs, shipped via the mail, to his residence, which has small amounts of drugs & paraphernalia (not smart or ideal I know). If one of his orders gets caught & the police do a controlled delivery, what would happen? When they see security at the front desk, do they say they need the resident's signature specifically for just 1 small package out of all of the 20+ packages being delivered? Let's assume they go that far, or they are just straightforward with the security officers and ask them to participate. Either way, something really out of the ordinary has to happen to get that signature. Either the security officer(s), with or without the presence of the postal worker disguised LEO, delivers the package and knocks (and/or maybe call) to ask for a signature. He'd never sign for a package that he suspects has drugs in it since it's the first time they've asked for a signature, let alone the way they came to him to ask for it. Alternatively, they could leave it and ask the security guards to get his signature. If they just wait and ask him to sign (again, for the first time in months) the next time he's in the lobby for a package he suspects has drugs in it, he'd never sign it. Also, there's no reliable way to know that the security officer (assuming they aren't put under surveillance) isn't going to help the resident avoid conviction instead of cooperate with the police. So ultimately, there's really no way to get a willing signature for a successful controlled delivery unless he ignores some really obvious warnings.

LE might just go straight for the search warrant on the residence & do it entirely as a surprise without controlled delivery or regular delivery. I guess that would be the main problem with using an apartment like that, but would they go straight to the search warrant? I get the feeling that they would try the controlled delivery anyways even though it's destined to fail. They'd probably expect it to have a decent success rate, because most people are dumb. There's also the chance that they decide to send a love letter instead. They'd know it's an apartment, but I think the norm among most apartments is to require a resident's signature, but maybe not. Maybe they just don't do controlled deliveries on apartments for random seizures at all because of these unknown variables. However, they may still attempt the controlled delivery (which would give us a warning of an upcoming warrant, assuming they don't get a warrant before doing a controlled delivery) or go straight to a search warrant on the residence if the apartment policies are known, its already under investigation, or because too many packages have been intercepted there. Now let's say it's a package with tracking. If you lived in an apartment with this system for receiving parcels, would you view a major delay on tracking as warning signal to clean up the destination address in anticipation? I assume you'd ideally try to get tracking on everything for this reason and also because signatures are never a problem, you should have no reservations about asking for tracking (besides maybe price, or vendor policy), and just have a good quick clean-up strategy just in case. This is another advantage to having everything signed for by the guards, which gives you an unreliable, unproven way of detecting when something has gone wrong/been caught, but it's better than nothing.

So all-in-all, if you were using this somewhat unclean residence, would you prefer having security sign for you, or would you rather just sign for your own package?

Would you see the essential immunity to controlled deliveries as an overall benefit, or would the potentially increased possibility of them going straight to a search warrant be enough for a traditional apartment (where a controlled delivery might not be totally obvious) to be the better option?

 

More importantly:

When they do a controlled delivery, do they usually have a search warrant ready-to-go beforehand, or does that usually come later? And how much later?

If when they do a controlled delivery, they always have a search warrant, a failed/impossible controlled delivery wouldn't help you if your residence is dirty unless it gave you time to clean up the residence, which I assume they'd want to avoid. On the other hand, if your residence is clean and you can avoid ever signing for a controlled delivery, it'd basically be the perfect system. Rather than relying on property that in no way belongs to you (which is often the most well-respected solution), you're taking advantage of mail handling policies to ensure every delivery arrives safely, and those that are compromised are easily identified and rejected. The only downside is that it requires you to use your own real name, but as long as you're not hiding a noteworthy criminal history or running a large criminal enterprise, that shouldn't be a problem really.

 

As an aside, being one of those security officers, or working a similar position would be a fantastic way of receiving drugs safely. In addition to securing the apartments, which includes knowing all tenants by name & apartment number, and therefore knowing what apartments are vacant. Since you take care of the packages, you can address it to a real person (maybe someone you don't like, but are sure their apartment is clean of drugs) who lives there and intercept it, or you can send it to a vacant apartment under the name of the previous tenant. The latter places a little more suspicion on the guard, but still not all that much. It's Probably still not enough to cause any real suspicion, especially if there are no obvious candidates among the security staff, because more than likely they wont all be in on it. I think the only way they'd suspect security is if multiple packages of similar origin/appearance/contents were confiscated and no good suspects were found after controlled deliveries & warrants. Worst case scenario, you have to help them investigate someone that you've responsibly already cleared as innocent and cause them some temporary grief.

 

Also, another potential strategy that is independent of mail handling policies:

almost all apartments have PO box style mailboxes. I've heard that getting the master key for these isn't all that difficult. Assuming you could get a reliable list of residents/past residents and maintained the ability to easily open any of the vacant apartments (which are regularly filling with weekly fliers for local businesses, so a small package/letter would easily go unnoticed), is this a decent way of using an address other than your residence? If so, has anyone done or, or can anyone comment on how easy it is to get the PO keys?


Comments


[11 Points] aidsfromatoiletseat:

Lay off the drugs, son.


[4 Points] redditulousfun:

can you repeat that?


[3 Points] RosyPalm:

When the postal Inspector comes to your house to do a controlled deliver he has two things... The intercepted package, and an anticipatory warrant that says if anybody at the residence accepts delivery of the intercepted package, the PI can go in and get it.

Signing for the package conveys no guilt or innocence, it merely provides documentary proof that somebody at the residence accepted delivery of the package.

Once LE executes their anticipatory warrant and get inside your residence the fun really ramps up. They'll good cop/bad cop you into confessing while every other cop in your house looks for anything they can use to claim you're a dealer and then they'll get another, broader warrant to search everything you own.

Not signing doesn't prevent any and all bad things from happening to you. Not signing throws a monkey wrench into the CD gears and forces LE to get a new warrant, or else convince you that the package that required a signature 5 seconds ago suddenly doesn't require one. (And it's not unheard of, depending on how much evidence they have independent of the intercepted package, that they tuck tail and leave)


[3 Points] 9hazy9:

Did you happen to order some meth?


[2 Points] MrChill_:

Blah blah blah....


[2 Points] Badger_Silverado:

I recognize an adderall rant when I see one!


[1 Points] fantasticnameuser:

What the fuck did I read? I seriously read the whole thing, but, ????


[1 Points] DarkAccountant:

What if you're getting your package delivered to a PO Box at a mail centre or a MailBox sort of place?

Personally if I was to get involved, I'd not want anybody I speak too, to know my address of residence, so I'd use a PO box. But is this practically self entrapment?

I didn't know it was illegal, but I came specifically just to collect this parcel that was sent to this designated 'anon' address, which I registered too and solely have a key too. But I dunno anything about it?

Or am I missing something?

Maybe getting it sent too your residence with a misspelt but identifiable name, gives it more deniability, why'd you misspell your own name?


[1 Points] None:

Only thing I've ever had to sign for was a gram of c30-nbome from Debora (fuck them people anyways). Was my first and last time dealing with them. Hell the guy from LS did a direct email deal with me and that came no problem. But back to the experience. I come home and see a note on my door "was not home to accept delivery" and had the "signature required" checked on it. Went inside and started freaking out. But what got me to stop being chicken shit was thinking "well, if it's a CD, obviously they would know when I'm home and pop the question at that time right? I mean, a normal postal worker leaves this note, not a CD...they want me to be here when it happens, this doesn't make since." Ended up driving around my area, side neighborhoods, all the places a motor vehicle could get to around the post office even, looking for unmarked cars, a crusty tented out van, something! I finally say fuck it and go into the post office, hand them the note, sign for my package. Sit in the truck, look around...no cars swarming in to get me. I even opened the pack once I got on the road so I could pocket the goods, burn the shipping material and walk in my home as if nothing happened. And guess what, my door didn't get kicked in. But for real, for how popular Debora was, why in the fuck did they use registered mail? I mean, I can get a gram of powder product from china without having to sign it. My experience with LS proves that. Some people, have the DUMBEST children.