So lets say the NSA has cracked Tor....

Lets say via packet timing analysis it doesnt matter if you run your connection through 100 relays and pass it over a string connected to a tin can halfway through, the unique flow of your packets is a signature that connects Alice to Bob without fail.

Lets say all the IX points and undersea cables are actively monitored and recorded by every industrialized superpower who then share all this info with eachother so as to have access to every stream in the world in realtime.

Lets say networks that try to obfuscate this stream get special attention.

Lets say theres a group of drugusers/pedophiles/terrorists who despite being told all of this decide to keep using these networks as if this werent a reality,

What do?


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[2 Points] every1wins:

The NSA wrote, and or has taken over and provided a version of Tor specifically for the purpose of being able to spy on the people who would use it, scare people from using it, allow covert people to communicate without other governments decrypting their transmission, etc.

Tor, when used properly DOES, or DID provide a mechanism to hide source and recipient participants from edge detection. The technology already exists and is called Secure Transmission Control Protocol and was developed by the US Military for its own military Internetwork. (The US invented the Internet, BTW, and they built into the consumer edition the features of tracking, tagging and tracing).


[2 Points] None:

What are you asking, exactly? It's already naive to think that this isn't a possibility or even may be a reality. There's no reason to believe that there aren't a significant number of relays that aren't being monitored. I've never quite understood the mentality that I am somehow able to do something myself that the government/NSA/LE/whoever else is not able to.

I run two Tor relays. It took me about eight minutes to set them up including reading the directions on how to do so. Nobody on the planet should think that there aren't tons of compromised relays capable of monitoring traffic through them, or indexing whatever packets flow through.

I am asking what does "what do?" mean at the end of your post. What could happen? What should people do to prevent this?


[2 Points] young_k:

still safer to buy drugs online then on the street.


[1 Points] None:

You go full tinfoil.

Word-of-mouth, invite-only message groups start forming where drugs are still sold but the volume is small and to get in someone has to vouch for you. Paranoia is extremely high and opsec is retardedly strict.

Or- you buy your product on the street like everyone else.


[1 Points] sobulbous:

Lets say theres a group of drugusers/pedophiles/terrorists who despite being told all of this decide to keep using these networks as if this werent a reality,

What if that group, the ones that blindly think Tor is 100% secure and unbreakable, that take LE at their word but won't believe vendor XYZ is a scammer, are the same low hanging fruit they so actively campaign against?

A lot of what ifs here... personally I love it, but they made a thread solely for this discussion.