How safe is this sub?

Hey guys, I realized that I do most of my DNM research via my phone or some other unencrypted connection. By that, I mean staying up to date with the DNMs, as well as searching for the occasional vendor review (I search by substance names only, no specific vendor names). Now with the subpoena for gwern's account, especially the CISA thing, I was wondering how safe that is? When I first started buying via Tor, I thought this sub was a relatively safe space especially since I'm not in the US and therefore "safer" from the long arm of CIA, FBI etc. Obviously this isn't true.

I don't incriminate myself by logging in to this account via clearnet and I never post here unless I'm on Tor. I'm talking about just browsing this reddit. Do you think it's risky? How do you handle it?


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[24 Points] sirlenni:

I browse this sub on my phone over cellular and post all the time and I have not been arrested. It is not illegal to browse this sub only the activities discussed here are illegal. And since I do not partake in those I'm completely in the clear


[20 Points] None:

I'd say it depends what you post. If you're posting vendor reviews or anything that gives away anything personal then I'd at least use a VPN/burn account.

It goes without saying that LE is monitoring this reddit, but lots of people come through here every minute on unencrypted channels doing the same thing you are.

If you're at the point where the FBI is going to subpeona you, you're already in deep enough shit that your reddit habits will probably be the least of your concerns.

Just my 2 cents


[14 Points] powerman15:

Out of the 83,000 subs only like 20,000 have been arrested because of this sub so I'd say it is pretty safe.


[7 Points] druggieslut:

Totally unsafe and the mods are cops


[3 Points] throwawayk5zq47j6wd3:

If you're not purchasing drugs online in bulk to sell your completely fine. No police station is going to put the time, effort, and money into investigating and raiding "DopeDickDaddy" for buying a 10 strip of LSD, 7 grams of Obama Kush, and a couple porn accounts. If someone is purchasing 100s of grams of MDMA or lbs of cannabis and posting about it on this sub then something may happen, but probably not.

The worst thing that can happen is that they shut this sub down, it is only about 2-3 years old and it's becoming more popular everyday. Then we just go onto Tor though, fuck em.


[3 Points] fatscat84:

Super safe, discuss all you want fellow criminal


[3 Points] AndThenHeSays4:

I post directly from clearnet. But I also never break the law. Just posting in here isn't an issue. If you admit to being a vendor or buying drugs on the DNMs then I would use a throwaway and public wifi for that. But even then, I doubt LE is going to get a warrant just to get a list of IPs for some dude on reddit who admitted he bought an 8 ball of cocaine on the Real Deal Market lol.


[3 Points] Gent1eRapist:

since I'm not in the US

OpSec Status: Destroyed

If you haven't already been arrested, I would recommend burning down house and moving to Belize.


[2 Points] admin-mod:

As safe as anything on the interweb right now.


[2 Points] None:

I started not giving a fuuuuck.


[2 Points] HypothermicPenis:

Wait what? I didn't even consider talking about markets is illegal. Is that why I cannot ever get any good advice here?


[1 Points] givemeoil420:

i wouldn't be going on this Reddit or markets with out a VPN out of Europe running on all my web devices . I have the, running on my computers , mobiles and a Ipad. There are apps for IOS and android that are onion browsers.


[1 Points] iamdnm:

Econ = E-Cops

dude been outed long time ago by our own detective.


[1 Points] gilfpound69:

honestly actively posting information regarding future or ongoing shipments/things you have already here is not a good idea. it'll probably be fine but its by no means cautious


[1 Points] None:

I understand the concern, but you are good, its free speech right??? Well at least it still is here in good ole Merica, the UK is kinda loosing its mind on what you can post online. I'm on the clearnet, I smoke meth & pop MDMA, fuck you DEA, come get me you fucking fucks!!!! BTW, Merry Christmas :-)


[1 Points] babypowder617:

If you DM me your name address and what you buy then i can tell you how safe the sub is.

-Bob McNotacop


[1 Points] stiktalk:

if youre on this sub, and there are drugs found within a mile of your address you get arrested for DNM life sentence, then after u die they kill u


[1 Points] MrCluelessFrog:

Huh? Gwern got subpoena-ed? Anybody have a link for me, please?


[1 Points] grandtheftbigwheel:

this sub exists legally, is it safe to do certain things on it no


[1 Points] None:

Bout as safe as getting dick from someone named /u/dopedickdaddy


[1 Points] None:

Bout as safe as getting dick from someone named /u/dopedickdaddy


[1 Points] youwillbeputinahole:

Dude its so safe, wanna meet up and take a ride out to my cabin


[1 Points] hilltopbandaids:

You're fine, but if you did get nabbed for something and they checked your internet history, it could be used as evidence. Wouldn't worry about it unless you're a vendor.


[1 Points] None:

Being curious is not illegal. Hard evidence is the only thing that can allow soft evidence to be used. If that were the case, every poor hippy that bought the "Practical LSD Manufacture" book from Amazon.com would be watched. Ain't no agent enlightened enough to wait for that person to actually figure it out. There are a lot of factors that go into drug use my friend. Stay safe though!


[1 Points] None:

Home base safe


[-3 Points] TheBurnedManIsHere:

That's a 78% chance you'll be fine browsing!

Which seems fine until it goes further and you go beyond browsing, because as anyone else here CAN say for certain: The only way to get rid of temptation is to give in, or pretend it doesn't exist, and you certainly aren't headed through door number 2 right now.

Then your chances of getting caught drastically.. Umm.. Well.. We don't actually know with like, facts and numbers and stuff. BUT we do carefully monitor FUD, and its current trends for most of our speculation here... mostly.

Elmer's brand is the standard.

And not because we're savages and can't haz maths, either.

Believe it or not, (you may want to sit if you're standing, or stand if you're sitting, but definitely DO NOT lay down if you are pooping, because that will help nothing in this situation.. Probably don't stand up if you're pooping either.. Actually, just make sure you aren't pooping before you continue reading) .... (Are you done now? Ok, good, go wash your hands [and turd-cutter if you are French]) we actually know nothing else about you or what else your day to day life is like or even what country you are in!.. So..

You could ask the community, but as we discussed in the above block of letters and punctuation, respectively, once you were finished your potty break, that is not going to help much realistically.. At all. So stop asking the plebians unless you want to know how to order sand, like, from the beach, okay?

(There is an exception to the "community of sky-falling-maniacs" and it is that some, sorta-kinda-jerk-ass, [probably will be /u/TheEconomist1 if it does happen, but he is a shill for INTERPOLDEAFBICIANSA(dot)onion anyway, so be careful talking with him, he may attempt to extract personally identifiable information, like your favorite color, or favorite cereal, or favorite colored cereal for example {mine is Trix.. Shit..I hope he doesn't see this.. I should be fine though, because the community told me the mods can only read one layer of parenthesis and/or brackets deep, about a month ago.. Aside from that little insignificant and easily forgiveable FACT, they are really, REALLY great and trustworthy, and even can make CUSTOM URLS for my favorite DNM sites. The craziest part, is somehow all of the stuff there is even cheaper and 115% purerererererer. It was Crazy how they did it too, because I guess changing the lowercase 3 to a capital "E" gets you into what econ1 called "super-secure-better-than-a-bank-so-it-is-okay-to-direct-deposit-your-salary-pay-and-tax-return mode" in the PM be linked me to the site with, so I 100% sure I will probably be okay.. The only downside is that deposit times take about a week to confirm, but luckily I enabled the direct deposit feature with my banking information early on, so I can deposit my entire month's salary at a clip, and then just withdraw what I don't end up using! Fucking Brilliant setup, really. Nucl3us is paving the way to the future, I tell ya, and with the mods helping (all of them, mind you, except /u/ziz1 for some reason (I think she is a UC LLEO in my hometown AND IS ACTIVELY HUNTING ME DOWN LIKE A WILD ANIMAL IN THE STREETS though. [The extra "L" stands for "Local", just so you know]).. I think it depends on the density of the nearest Gas Giant in relation to the Earth or something, too though. I forgot, honestly, because of how little I ACTUALLY have to interact with Nucl3us anyway now (bi-yearly at most)..}] MIGHT end up sending you a helpful link to "lmgtfy" under the proper query parameters for the answer you are looking for (if you don't know what a "lmgtfy" is, type it into google real fast, then report back, just like that, quotes and all, it will probably actually help you with your answer, its very similar to "updawg", which recently became a HUGE factor in the DNM scene as well, you should probably find out what that is as well if you REALLY want to be secure, or ask /u/TheEconomist1 to fill you in. Most of the time he PMs me through his account he uses only in Google chrome's "incognito-mode" though for extra encryption layers, and I'm pretty sure he is more active on that one anyway, because, get this, THIS MOD IS SO HELPFUL he gave ME HIS PERSONAL/PRIVATE username so we can always keep in touch in case I can't log in through NetScape10 (he said I should be able to in the next update though, his day job is a developer there. I guess it's how he explains to the other cops how he affords his lavish lifestyle when secretly he is ONLY HELPING US! HOW FUCKING DUMB ARE THESE COPS?! THEY MAY AS WELL GO HOME NOW, BECAUSE BETWEEN NUCL3US AND /U/THEECONOMIST420NOTANFESCMMERORALPHABAYADMININMYSPARETIME THERE IS NO POSSIBLE WAY WE CAN GET CAUGHT! EVER! So, honestly, of I were you, I'd hit him up and ask for "TheBurnedManIsHere" special. He'll hook you up, and plus he told.me for every referral I send his way, I would get an extra 500milligrams of his "HQ Middies" which I believe are the sound tracks to SNES games from the 1990's, such as Chronotrigger, or Fallout negative 17 (it was still in alpha, but they named it that because once they hit "Alpha" they knew they only had 17bugs/updates to make before they released Fallout1 in 1998.. I almost wish I knew computer codes so I could help the development team of Blackisle male fallout two, but the only computer "code" I could help them with is Scorpion's Fatality on the PS1 version of Street Fighter II Turbo.. I really need to finish highschool so I have all of the answers for when life throws me curveballs like this, ya know? Fucking Seniors have it so easy already, and get this - the local diner even gives those lucky bastards some kind of "Early Bird Senior Discount". Those lucky fucks, all I get when I get up extra early for HS is extra shower time) and while I have no idea howuch soundwaves actually weigh, I'm pretty sure once my account gets credited with my salary next month (it is retro-active, so you always have at least a month supply of funds as well!) and I can make my first order with him (I know it will be from him because, and I probably should NOT put his business out here like I am, but fuck it, HE IS THE SITE ADMIN AS WELL AS OWNS EVERY LISTING! So, /u/TheEconomist1, I apologize for this in advance, but you're going to owe me literal POUNDS of 16-bit music by the time you see who is responsible for all this extra business I brought you!)

OR

You could just practice proper OpSec until something goes wrong, keep your mouth shut WHEN /U/ZIZ1 SHOWS UP TO RAID YOUR DRUGGY-ASSHOLE (I've heard if you pay extra she will search there the entire time without a skin to skin barrier, mind you her buddies (the rest of the mods minus Econ and CUTTW (←He is just a lazy oxy fiend that can't be bothered, but also a cop, luckily he only shows up for " Pill fiend" raids, which is a bonus for you, because on paper you will only have been in possession of tic-tacs they thought were pills, the downside being he also plants plutonium and a Quran in your sock drawer. It sucks when he shows up for the party, definitely, but hey, at least you aren't getting that "controlled substance distribution Felony level charge.. The treason charge you will get instead will almost ASSURE you will only be in prison for a week, tops.. because the other inmates will just "release you" themselves, I have heard, anyway. (And convicts STILL get a bad reputation somehow! They literally get you out of PRISON FOR FREE! -FORGET THOSE LAWYER FEES IF CUTTW SHOWS UP for the raid! I'm almost positive he only operates like this so you can save your lawyer fees to re-up your pills before he shows up again next week, because he knows you'll have been released by then, sneaky fucker he is! And even if you're there an extra day or two, you can bet your no-longer-virgin butthole that /u/ziz1 will tip him off that you're "released") they rip your place apart looking for electronic equipment and drug paraphernalia) and a "clean house" (I guess cops go easy on you if your place doesn't look like you've been abusing twenty year old music files for weeks on end.. Yeah, I don't understand it either, but I KNOW WHO COULD PROBABLY TELL US! (hint: its /u/ziz1 [Don't think I forgot your flat-foot-ass, copper!]))

Seriously though man, don't over think it, be smart, and be careful.

MODERATORS PLEASE FORGIVE ME FOR MY TRANSGRESSION THIS DAY! IT IS CHRISTMAS AND YOU OWE ME! I FE'D TWO MONTHS OF SALARY ON YOUR FAKE SITE AND JIST WANT MY MONEY BACK, AND YOU SAID IF I COULD CONVINCE ANOTHER "RUBE" TO TAKE THE BAIT YOU'D LET ME OFF THE HOOK! OH GOD! MADE ONE MISTAKE AND AM NOW DESTITUTE!

Honestly though Mods or /r/darknetmarkets, don't ban me please, you have no idea how hard it was to manage those parenthesis and giant wall of text ON MY iPHONE! (It was not an iPhone, but it was on mobile, I just didn't manage to get a "stock apple machines are the preferred connection method" joke in there and that is the only way I knew how..

Seriously though, don't taze me, Bro.

Oh, and if you are reading still, stay FAR AWAY from /r/dnfc. They're all assholes. /u/TheEconomist1 said so earlier tomorrow, and I fucking believe him/her.. (Can I please have my salary back now, Econ? FUCKING PLEEEEASE MAN!?)