[CommunityDiscussion] TLS, PE & Other H Vendors Discussion - What's our right as buyers when dealing with unprofessional service?

Whats up everyone. First, my apologies for the length of this one but wanted to get it out. Im posting to get a convo going around TLS and PE to see if anyone else is in the same boat as me and get their opinion and the opinion of the community as a whole as I'm a bit torn. I've ordered a few times from TLS and each time I wound up gettng my order, but not without some serious hiccups and problems along the way from delays to wrong orders to worse. The first time I ordered #4 and started to run into issues was when I wound up getting some really poorly made BT cheese (at least thats what I guessed it to be) and when I wrote back to complain he apologized profusely but then went dark for some time before coming back right when I had given up hope. When he came back he told me he couldn't send me any 4 at this point but would send me my money back or some BTH. I noted I don't IV so BTH was out but he convinced he I could do it intranasal so I agreed to try it and. I hated it and got the worst sinus infections but he was so nice and apologetic that it made it all fine in my eyes and I chalked it up to an experiment on my part to move on from. The next time I ordered from him it was marked shipped the next day after I paid extra for rush and two weeks later it had still not arrived. When I wrote to ask where it had gone I got crickets for days until someone wrote me frantically asking me to confirm that I had gotten it because they had shown it as delivered which I assumed was a lie as I had gotten every other clear and darknet packet for weeks before this. I let them know no, it hadn't and then a few days later someone in a very different tone wrote back and apologized for their mistake and that they had never sent it but would make it right. They let me know it was sent out in honest that day and that I would get it soon and that as a token of good faith they wanted to send me a free order for my trouble, literally anything I wanted. I let him (them?) know I wanted the same order againg as my token as I didn't do any of the other products on their listings. They agreed no problem and then a week later I get shipped....a G of BTH... which I dont do. I just sighed and gave it to a bud who likes BTH as the whole monkey water deal led to me getting way to sick before. Overall the product was good but the hassle involved was shitty.

With PE I ordered a few times and received the product with varying degrees of speed, but it was never marked shipped which always bugged me. The last time I never received the product and when I wrote back to inform him of what ws going on I was treated so outright rude and dismissively it left a really bad taste in my mouth that left me not wanting to go back after tons of orders before this. It ws basically a "tough shit, I saw it got there so not my problem" but when I asked for his tracking to prove it I never heard back again. At the same time a few other people were complainging of the same problem with him and I haven't been back since.

My questions (yes, all this way down sorry) are this. Are any of these scenarios familiar to any of you with these vendors, and if so have you stick with them with any success, or moved on and left them behind? When I do get their product I love it, but if this was a normal mail order website and I had these experiences I'd never go back without any question. This is different though, understood, but in a way I feel service and accontability has to be even MORE than an above board place simply due to the nature of the business and everything going on that leaves both parties vulnerable.

Any thoughts on this? Anyone else find the same issues and decide to back out or stick with them? I'm on the fence and enjoy the vendors I use currently but they run out and sometimes you want to mix it up.

Ultimately I'm just trying to get a discussion started here around pervious experiences like these with these vendors or others, and what people think is appropriate when dealing with vendors when it comes to unprofessional behavior like this, isolated or reoccuring, regardless of their overall ratings.


Comments


[5 Points] HarleyDavidsonFXR2:

You have 2 rights:
-The right to complain. -The right to never order from that person again.

Beyond that, you are buying heroin on the fucking Internet. In my very limited experience in that area, heroin dealers are not the most dependable and forthright people. You may want to take that into consideration.

Edit- My bullet points are not formatting correctly for some reason.


[2 Points] shoelace120:

Go to AlexSosa1Kg. Drama free, no bullshit. Buy before noon I believe and it's shipped same day. And when it's marked shipped, it's actually shipped in the blue box. I've not once had a package of his take longer than 3 days to reach me.


[2 Points] walldrugisacunt:

This is basically every experience I've ever had with TLS. Waits days to ship, "upgrades" mostly everyone to express when there is literally no point in doing it, doesn't ship when marked shipped, sends wrong product, etc.

However I can attest to the fact that he has never actually done me wrong, and has given me refunds as well as freebies on top of everything for any and all fuckups that have occured. I just can't bring myself to order from him because I need a reliable service provided. As a dope addict, it's kind of important to have a reliable ETA on your pack. Not a crapshoot "it'll get there when it gets there."

Dope dealers on the DNMs are really the most lazy, arrogant and incompetent vendors I've ever dealt with in all these years, in comparison to say... MDMA vendors or even meth vendors.

CaliClaire is actually the ONLY vendor I know I can rely on to get a package to me exactly when I need it. The problem is the last two batches I've gotten from her have had to have been gunpowder heroin ground and binded with lactose. The fact that it's being sold as east coast powder just ruins that whole situation for me too (i don't shoot).

supremesmoke has always been reliable, but his product is pretty shit and his prices are outrageous.

panda probably has my favorite dope out of everyone, but again, he doesn't communicate, and when he does he types like a 5 year old, he is unreliable as to logging in and shipping in a reasonable amount of time more often than not too.

alexsosa sold dope so loaded with quinine it made my feet and ankles swell. that was the scariest experience i ever had with heroin, and i've been through some fucked up shit. i got no apologies, no replacement offers, etc for that issue, so he's non-existent as far as i am concerned.

someone could make a killing running a legitimately professional dope operation on the DNMs. cause at the moment the scene is seriously fucked and most vendors treat every one of us like shit.


[1 Points] None:

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[1 Points] fakir420:

Like most others say, you have the right to vote with your wallet. I know you want your gear now and of the best quality but don't let that cloud your judgement and do something you'll regret. For me, I will not order from any vendor that acts like they are doing me a favor by selling me their product, I'm the customer and I expect to be treated like my repeat business is important. I know there aren't a lot of sources for raw but if it's something that is causing you to do business with someone you consider shady it's time to reevaluate what you're doing. I've been in the same situation with real life dealers, eventually they think you'll come back no matter what, that's when I find a new guy that treats me right.


[1 Points] heroinisneat:

I think part of the issue with buying heroin on the DNM is that it's the only drug that users really need right when they fucking need it. The difference between it being there on time vs. it being a day late can be the difference between feeling well and feeling like you want to die. Whereas you might be a little bummed that your LSD order is running a day or two late, but it's not the end of the world, dope buyers are counting on their shit to arrive in a very timely manner.

That's not to say that, as buyers, we don't have the right to expect vendors to do what they say they're going to do, and to run their business in a relatively courteous way. It's just that we're more sensitive to minor shipping delays, and the inevitable fuck ups that seem to occur when you're working with mail order drugs.

Personally, I've ordered from the following vendors: AlexSosa1kg - I've ordered 3x from him and it's always arrived 2-3 days from placing the order. I found the quality to be pretty exceptional, the weight was right on point, and everything went off without a hitch on each of the orders. I guess I didn't get the batch that had the quinine in it, or if I did, I wasn't sensitive to it.

Panda Express: Ordered from him 3-4x, and all aside from my last order took 3 days to arrive. My last order took 6 days to arrive. If this had been weed, or some xanax, I wouldn't give a shit about an order taking 6 days to get here, which kind of goes back to my original point about dope being different. That said, the dope was fucking awesome, and I'd order from him again. Would I like it shipped faster? Of course, but 6 days isn't a deal breaker in the grand scheme of things.

The Lemonade Stand: Also took 6 days to arrive. I didn't think the quality was anything too special. Not quite as good as Panda and Sosa...close though. I was upgraded to Express for free, since he slacked on his shipping. Nice gesture, but if he'd just gotten it out on time like his profile says, he wouldn't have had to upgrade me.

CaliClaire: She shipped it like clockwork, and I had it in my hands within 2 days of ordering. The best customer service experience of any of the dope vendors I've used so far. Unfortunately, her stuff isn't as good as the others. It wasn't shit, but for $170 a g, I'd expect better. If she could get her hands on some really good shit, she'd take over the game. She needs to find a better supplier.

I can't say buying heroin off the DNM has been all that painful or frustrating of an experience. Again, if it had been anything aside from dope, I wouldn't have any issues with an order taking 5-6 days to arrive. As for communication, I haven't had to reach out to any of the vendors, so I can't speak to whether or not they're responsive or total assholes. I'm sure they get absolutely bombarded by buyers wanting to know where their dope is though.

Moving forward, I'll probably stick to Panda or Sosa, since they've consistently delivered, and always had well above average quality stuff.


[0 Points] YOUREfuckingSTUPIDM8:

Most of the people that sell are addicts themselves, so this is really not that uncommon. At least nigs don't do the shit so you don't really have to worry about getting beat, they'd rather keep your business than fuck you over.

My advice, don't buy heroin off the darknet. I guess not everyone has the luxury of local dealers but if this is something you plan on doing regularly you need to find a local dealer. DNM dope is so incredibly overpriced and the quality is really not that great. I get stamp bags that are worlds ahead of any of the dope I've gotten off the DNM.

You are right in thinking you should complain, but heroin vendors are usually unstable and doing so could cause some unforeseen problems. There's really not much you can do.


[0 Points] opiatethrowy:

Who the hell gets a sinus infection from snorting cheese(bth turned into snortable powder)? Your nose is a pussy.

But to add to this. This all sounds way out of character for both of these vendors. TLS has awesome customer service and usually upgrades his customers to $20 express shipping for free.

And PE is better than Amazon about getting his packages out on time. And he's really nice as well. I chat with him on BB all the time and hes as sweet as a panda bear.


[0 Points] GrandWizardsLair:

If you are looking for snortable #4 AlexSosa1kg and CaliClaire have excellent reputations and both are on BlackBank.