How do people get caught?

It seems like everyday, there are more CD stories on here (all of which could be 100% bullshit, but i doubt they're ALL fake), and it makes me wonder, where is it that people get caught? Suppose you're buying a pure API powder. If you use a vpn and/or tor, pgp encrypt all sensitive data, and the vendor's stealth doesn't suck ass, how is it that people still get caught? Can the police just search random packages until they find one which contains a powder that may/may not be scheduled and test it to see if it is? It seems like covering your tracks as far as repackaging would be nearly impossible. Sorry if this is slightly incoherent. I'm 2 hours into my first LSD trip in 25 years, and I wanted to get some thought out before they're gone.

TL;DR Some questions to sum up:

Does LE look at random packages, or only the people already previously suspect?

Are all USPS packages including priority covered by the Fourth Amendment? (Does that even matter....?)

Even if you're suspected of "things," can they open your mail unless THAT specific package is reasonably suspicious?(Including mail profiling)

At what point during transit is it most likely checked? Is that a local PD thing, or is it mainly done at the sorting facilities?

I read somewhere that a CD will delay the delivery of the pack by several days. Is this true, or do they gather the resources to do it in the 2-3 day mail timeslot?

If this is gibberish, let me know and I'll do my best to edit it.


Comments


[21 Points] aboutthednm:

People mostly get caught because they can't keep their mouth shut.


[6 Points] Theeconomist1:

First are you talking international or domestic? Obvioulsy with international, they can examine packs a lot more closely than they would otherwise for domestic. The below answers will be in the context of domestic mail.

Does LE look at random packages, or only the people already previously suspect?

No, this would waste so much man power. Domestic mail is not x-rayed as a matter of policy. Not saying it never happens, but its not terribly common.

Even if you're suspected of "things," can they open your mail unless THAT specific package is reasonably suspicious?(Including mail profiling)

Good question. It will all depend on the scope of the search warrant LE has. I suspect that they could get a warrant to search all incoming mail. Whether that is common or not, I'm not sure. I'd imagine not very common unless you are talking about investigating a large scale vendor.

Are all USPS packages including priority covered by the Fourth Amendment? (Does that even matter....?)

Good question. There is much debate over this. All packages are not necessarily covered by the Fourth Amendment. I believe Priority Mail under a certain weight as well as first class is protected. But I'm not an expert. And yes it does matter. This is why we shouldn't use FedEx or UPS where you have no protectiosn at all. Can LE get a warrant? Yes of course. But just b/c they are able to get one doesn't mean we should say fuck it, use UPS or FedEx. Its an extra step, an extra hassle. And they still need some probable cause.

At what point during transit is it most likely checked? Is that a local PD thing, or is it mainly done at the sorting facilities?

Mail is not really checked/examined. USPS falls under the jurisdiction of the federal government. Postal inspectors are federal officers. Sometimes if a pack is caught, they will forward to local LE for prosecution, but it all depends. But there is not a protocol where all mail is examined. One problem that can arise is when a vendor is profiled. Then LE could try to pull all packs that fit the profiled package description (such as return address). This would happen anywhere during the USPS delivery process. Once it hits your mailman though, its probably almost 100% safe.

I read somewhere that a CD will delay the delivery of the pack by several days. Is this true, or do they gather the resources to do it in the 2-3 day mail timeslot?

Yes, LE can gather the necessary things - warrants, a team, etc in a few days to execute a CD. Again, it boils down to how big of a fish you are. LE can be quite efficient at times. A warrant is a trivial thing for LE to get. A warrant can be had in 15 minutes if they so desired and the urgency was there. I've seen a warrant granted within an hour's time personally. I assume they could do it faster if they wanted. Basically LE can execute a CD within a reasonable time frame such that you might not be too suspicious of it. USPS is late delivering and people know this, so a few days later than expected isn't going to raise eyebrows. But sometimes it could take longer - again it all depends on the priority LE assigns to busting you.


[3 Points] zoidberg4:

The best advice you will ever hear is a quote of mine from one of my favorite movies, Goodfellas.

"Never rat on your friends, and always keep your mouth shut".

Breaking these 2 cardinal rules is how most people get caught.


[3 Points] 1ReviewReviewer1:

I love when the TL;DR is longer then the initial post :)


[2 Points] Nocutsneeded:

Sometimes if something happens to 1 pack they start profiling packs from that sender


[2 Points] druggieslut:

A lot of it is just smart people doing stupid shit.

Sometimes dumb people doing stupid shit.

Sometimes packages get damaged in transit and the drugs fall out. I'm sure you've had mail get damaged before, right? It's all run through machines and on conveyors 50 feet in the air and shit.

Apply for a job as a UPS "package handler" sometime and go for the interview and they'll give you a tour of your local UPS facility. You will instantly understand why UPS destroys 50% of the packages they handle.

Mail isnt much different, they just have all these envelopes to deal with in addition to the boxes.

No, they cant open random packages, not in US mail anyway. It's protected by your 4th amendment. Some people say that only applies to first class mail. They have to have a warrant to open your mail.

Edit: They CAN and DO open random incoming international packages at customs. I was talking about domestic mail.

They can also get a warrant really fucking easy.

I feel that the buyer is more at risk to getting caught than the vendor. It's the buyers address on the package, every single time. Vendors don't have to put THEIR address on it.

However, cops would be more interested in the vendor, obviously. They'll spend the big money trying to bust him.

People have reported on here receiving basically envelopes full of marijuana successfully. Don't you ever try doing that though unless you WANT to go to prison.

Vendors have to get their supply from somewhere. That's where they're most likely to get busted. LE might profile their packs and figure out where they mail them, thats the second most likely way for them to be busted. This is all my OPINION, of course.

The more you buy or sell drugs online, the more likely you are to get busted. And there's a good chance you'll never be busted. But don't think you're invincible either.

Mail is not routinely sniffed by dogs in the US either. It's literally against policy because the dog will get bored. Most facilities won't even have dogs in them most of the time. But, they CAN sniff the mail with a dog. And for things like marijuana, it only takes one little slip in the packaging process for a teeny bit of the oils from the plant to get on the outside of the vacuum seal bag....


[1 Points] TripAddict:

Most CD's happen when the pack get's caught by ordering internationally by customs. If it's a pretty large amount, making it obvious that it is not for personal use, then they usually try to do a CD. But if they somehow come across 1 bar of xanax, then they prob won't do anything.

Ordering bulk on weed or XTC pills or other shit that usually gets caught, usually makes it little bit riskier. But if you are ordering blotters, you can pretty much relax unless you are ordering a book of acid or some shit.

If you are scared about a CD, then order from a vendor in your country to minimise the risk of getting caught. Now, i have not see many (if not any) CD where the buyer bought from the same country as the vendor, so that is your best bet.

About there being a delay before a CD, yes there is that. But again you don't really know this. Especially during the holiday season, took me little over a month to get some acid (internationally), but then they are people who get the same packs from the same vendor in 7 days. You just simply don't know when you're gonna get it unless of course you have tracking.


[1 Points] None:

I read some time ago in the agora forums that, once your package makes it out of the postal office/country, its extremely, almost guaranteed, that your package will make it. They can't lurk through all the mail, it would come up with a lot of false positives. I know its not the answer you're looking for but its just some peace of mind. Most of the time CDs are carried by bulk orders (up to a thousand grams of any drug, a shit ton of pills or weed)


[1 Points] DeadEyesX:

I always thought the most dangerous part would be when a vendor got big enough that he is having to ship out 20-30 packages a day and is using USPS.

He would have to split the packages up and mail them at different Post Offices so it wouldn't look suspicious.


[1 Points] Shill_Bill:

I have numerous family members in the postal system and a few of them pretty high up. I was talking to one of the higher ups and they said they find drugs on the daily and don't report because it's to much of a hassle to them. She said as long as it's not a bomb they don't give a fuck at thier branch. Not to mention the branch they are at serves a pretty large city

Edit: you have to be moving some fucking weight in order for them to fuck with you in my area


[1 Points] Hank_Vendor:

This is my understanding of it


[1 Points] MyOnlyRealVice:

Be carefull with circle because returning coins is not a good idea First, we recognize that the "automatically send back to original address" is problematic in some cases. We're working on a solution so the user can specify a return address if he wishes.

The reason it's built the way it is currently, is just for speed and anti-clutter, and ease of use (ie - requiring the least amount of things from the user as possible).

We just need to add the option in an elegant way, so we'll work on that.

To the OP - we're standing by to help further if Circle is unable to retrieve the funds.


[0 Points] None:

search and you will find a list of items the post office considers suspicious, such as any scent, bulges, wires or stains from a package. If suspicious, the package is opened by a postal inspector. in which case you better have a good return address (NOT YOUR OWN!) and no fingerprints inside.


[0 Points] None:

This is why I don't buy ridiculously large bulk packages internationally anymore. I mean, the only real advantage on some drugs sold outside of the US is price. For instance, as far as what I can get from Germany or even Canada as far as mdma goes, I can get the same purity here. If I am really that diehard about flipping bricks, then I'll find a domestic source. Not just a domestic resaler, but someone that localizes the product period. I support that. At least I know my money is staying in my country at that point too.

But as far as small orders go, hell 15 gs of molly is still a decent amount for a party. If you're trying to feed a festival for a weekend you're SOL. It's just practical that if I want a half to have for myself and others, I know where I can go. I keep DNM purchases personal for the most part. Either way you are ordering, you have the stress and hassle of OpSec and whatnot. Might as well minimalize risk if you ask me. Doesn't mean some people aren't going to make a challenge out of it just to prove it to themselves and others. But hey, I'll let those fools take the heat lol They think they are cool for doing it, fine let them be 'cool'