Poll: Would you like to see markets ban fentanyl?

Just wanna hear your guys (and gals sister pel) two cents


Comments


[250 Points] ParanoidAndroidDnm:

No, I don't agree with banning any drug no matter how dangerous it is.

We are all adults, or atleast we are all in control of what we put in our bodies, it should be every person's right to inject, snort or swallow (wink wink) whatever they want.

What I would ban, is fucking dirty vendors selling things laced with fentanyl and not telling people, those people need their balls burning off with motlen steel.

If you can have honour amongst thieves, why not honour amongst druggies. People will happily buy it, just stop sticking it in everything and lying about it.

Edit: added a few more rants. I love topics like this.


[30 Points] Amanda-Binds:

You can't trade freedom for safety it never works. If you let them take our Fentanyl the next thing you know they will be coming after our Heroin!


[21 Points] None:

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[22 Points] lsdinsane:

Yes because it's gay.


[19 Points] DextroShade:

No, drug use is a matter of personal responsibility. Bans are why we have the markets in the first place!


[15 Points] None:

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[15 Points] Renal_Toothpaste:

Banning it won't make it disappear. So someone will still have to sell it. How? By mixing it with other shit. No thanks, keep it on the market


[13 Points] young_k:

I think we should be free to purchase whatever we want, that's what Tor is for...to avoid censorship.

Now, as far as replica roxies and shit pressed with fentanyl...I'm definitely against these being sold mislabeled as pharmacy roxies.


[12 Points] DecryptedTruth:

Its two different things, standing for freedom responsably and supporting unwanted suicides. Out of all the drugs available, is there an actual need for fent? Are there no enough options to satisfy anyone?

I think fent should be banned. It beings unwanted attention and unwanted casualties. Yes this is a mad world but as a comunity, we are claiming to try and make it better. In my opinion, greed fuels this more than anything. Lets put greed aside. It's not worth it. Heroin, coke, shrums, RCs, LSD, eddibles, MDMA, 2cb, I could go on, all this can't replace the need of fent? Only cocksuckers that cut their stuff provide a demand for this crap. Lets not fuel their poisonous businesses. Fuck fent, I would ban this shit without thinking twice.


[11 Points] DooshNozzzle:

No. when you start controlling drugs is when you get problems.

Soon as you ban fent all the people selling fent will cut it with mannitol and sell it as china white.

Prohibition is a perfect example of what happens when you start controlling drugs.


[8 Points] electricalnoise:

If all the markets banned fentanyl today, a new market would open tomorrow that allowed it, and within a week there would be just as much moving as before.

I'm not sure there's a way to legitimately prevent this.


[8 Points] JuJoker:

No. It's everyones own decision to take a certain drug or not to. Banning wouldn't change much anyways I guess, vendors would just open their own market/shop on an own website.

Why not ban coke? Many people die while making 1kg of coke.


[5 Points] felix1429:

Regular fentanyl? No. Carfentanyl though, yes. That shit is a biological weapon


[7 Points] todaystheday2:

ALL DRUGS NEED TO BE LEGAL, including fent. As long as everyone knows what they are taking then they should assume the risks of their actions, there's only probs when they guess what it is that they're taking, but they should still be held accountable for their actions regardless. That's why every drug should be legal so we could have something available like heroin, heroin lite, heroin xxx, etc., then people wouldn't be trying to find drugs to sub for it with something like fent that's so hard to dose, and if they did, there'd be fent, fent lite, fent xxx in their own uniquely marketed packaging just like bud lite, miller lite, budweiser, miller, etc. That way people could take it responsibly, and if they didn't then we can start blaming the users instead of the drugs themselves (you know, just like how guns don't kill people, people kill people). We wouldn't even be here right now if drugs were legal, it'd be a much better, safer world. If you're against fentanyl, you're against freedom.


[5 Points] SecondChanceUsername:

Most users here are lumping all "FENTANYL'S" together. There is a big difference between Fu-F(very weak) and HCL(my DOC sweet spot) And then carnet which can kill hundreds of Russians easily. But i don't believe ANYTHING should be banned from the MP's. The MP admins own their sites and the only this community has collectively come to agree to ban is CP. THAT is where i draw the line. I don't want CP on our MP's but thats it! FREEEEDOMMMMM MON-if ya can't handle it don't ruin it for others.


[4 Points] dnmvp1218:

DEFINITELY.

Fuck it. It's the one product that is killing people left and right. It's the one product that negates the ragument that the dnm's are harmless.

Just get rid of it. People don't actually WANT fentanyl. (by people I mean the actual retail style customers). they want heroin. they are the one's dying. because they get the wrong shit.

I've never herad of a fentanyl addict. not intentionally at least. people want heroin. and get tricked with fentanyl.

Take the heat off the rest of us. ban that shit.

and this is coming from someone who enjoys some good dope from time to time.


[4 Points] None:

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[4 Points] agentgreasy:

No.

Look, no matter what it is, there will always be an epidemic. The epidemic is not the drugs fault. Not even close.

When did it become commonplace to not question what you are putting it in your body? When did it become commonplace to do a rockstar line the second you get something, without paying attention to a) what it is b) respecting the drug.

This isn't a problem with drugs. Its a problem with people. It will always be people. You don't blame a gun for killing someone.

You aren't buying from pharmacies here. The DNMs have always advertised a few benefits: one of them being purity and strength. That will be true regardless of correct or incorrect drug and should be respected as such. Whether a long-term abuser or a newbie, you should always respect what you are doing, what you are using. Heroin, even in its weaker forms, is still stronger than hydro or oxy. That is all there is to it. If you are banging it, you are introducing an entire new line of risks.

Thats what this is. Risk. It is, and always has been risk. You should be assessing that risk properly, and taking action against that risk accordingly. If you were buying it off the street, did you assume your dealer gave you what he told you he gave you? Did you run home and do a full dose? No. And if you did, you probably got fucked up more than once from that too.

You aren't invincible. Vendors are not perfect. There is no guarantee in this game. If you apply the appropriate respect, you will be fine.

This epidemic is the fault of teaching. Parents have come to depend upon their drugs, and they take them without regard to respect towards what they are and what they do. Kids are going through learning to disrespect the introduction of harm to themselves, they think they are invincible and they imitate what they see. Certainly they are gullible, and thats where the proper education comes in.

If the DNMs are at fault for anything, its because they keep fucking people over so fast the communities that form around their internal forums die out, and the wealth of harm reduction information that was contained in those areas is reduced to nothing as people have to form up new communities and new guidance bases.

We need to get back to harm reduction, not arguing about what drug is worst today. Yesterday it was Xanax. The day before it was Meth. The day before that it was Heroin. The day before that it was Fent. Then it recycles, repeats. You know whats really fucking bad? Bath salts. Random chemicals idiots promote rather than cleaner drugs that when respected actually ARE safe. You want to run a campaign? Run it against experimentation on obviously unsafe shit.


[3 Points] Tired8281:

Absolutely not. If they ban it, it'll just be sold as something else, and more people will die.


[3 Points] JustAnotherGuyonDMs:

Well the general census is NO, a single drug shouldn't be banned as its everyones rights to put what they choose in there body. I dont approve of Fent but whos to say ppl approve of my DOC? Harm reduction should stay a high priority esp with strong substances like fent to keep the community informed and as safe as possible.


[3 Points] 3ich3r:

no way, banning is never the answer people will always and have alwys abused drugs and that will always be the case its fucked up people ruin shit for others truly in pain and needing the medication


[3 Points] deep_touch:

No, but drugs that are made to look like other drugs should not be allowed, as it will obviously only lead to misleading end users.

Pressing fentanyl into pills that look like pharmaceutical oxy will harm people because it's misrepresenting a product in a dangerous way.


As a side note, we all participate and reside in echo chambers, that's just the way we socialize. Free markets correct themselves, but those growing pains have real consequences that affect the lives of innocent people. Safety regulations are good—so long as they can be discussed with open minds


[3 Points] Thx002:

LMAO yeah we need a war on drugs on the darknetmarkets...

What the fuck is wrong with you people, anybody that agrees with such ban I wish I could break your f-in legs


[3 Points] smellyorange:

No because that defeats the whole purpose of "dark net markets" lol.


[2 Points] Cestar77:

It would be super dumb considering where we are getting this at


[2 Points] ACrafty:

Never. If someone wants to do fentanyl despite the consequences that result from its use have the right to do so. It's their body, not mine or anyone else's and I don't get to decide what should make them happy. So long as they're not directly harming anyone innocent, it's really none of our business.


[2 Points] BrazzerBo:

Banning drugs on drug markets is road to nowhere.


[2 Points] None:

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[2 Points] None:

No. Fentanyl and all its analogues should be allowed, but markets should set some limit on the amounts sold so it's not used to cut heroin. It could be hard to enforce though and there's no way all markets would get on board with this.


[2 Points] Rawr_meow_woof_oink:

No


[2 Points] YoMommaRollsMyWeed:

nay


[2 Points] davaunte:

Hell no, that's not how or why the markets were made for........ Quit crying about the latest issue, this isn't up for debate, if it's not for you than don't buy it! Don't bitch about it!


[2 Points] FraterP:

Fent only market.


[2 Points] DareToHope:

That's quite the slippery slope you're creating there, next is meth heroin and anything else that has a general bad stigmatism attached to it...

I've posted this before in regards to fent, so I'll just say it again.

People shouldnt bash each other for their DoC (especially here of all places) the drug gets a bad wrap because people are cutting OTHER drugs with it, which is causing OD's and other issues. A responsible informed and educated user is a safe user, a reckless idiot will always be the same. Change/progress is always slow, hopefully people learn overtime.


[2 Points] assblood69:

No. A drug is a drug. At the end of the day someone doing fent is no different than someone using meth! (I know there two totally different substances but you get my point)


[2 Points] CupOdrugs:

No but we should ban the replica roxies that are pressed with fent. The only reason those exist is so they can be resold as real roxies.


[2 Points] heyitslambchop:

No. Can we ban topics like this instead?


[1 Points] None:

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[1 Points] whatisopsec:

I would prefer than fentanyl not have a market but prohibition does not work.

However drugs like carfentanyl that are chemical weapons should not be sold on the markets. They will bring unwanted attention.


[1 Points] trapstar873:

yes


[1 Points] None:

Lurker here. The only drugs I've ever had was LSD and prescription abuse. If you don't mind me asking what is Fentanyl?


[1 Points] GoldPsychonaut:

I think it's causing more harm than good.

I'm on the pro-self imposed ban.


[1 Points] TheSorryFeller:

Carfent yes, almost all the other fent analogous no.


[1 Points] wgilbrech7:

Had several buddies nearly die from fake 30s...ban it. Nothing good coming from this awful awful drug


[1 Points] ksosk:

They'll just get it elsewhere


[1 Points] throwHAYawayNEIGH:

I like U 47 though..


[1 Points] BiggaNiggaPlz:

I really just don't get what anyone gets out of cutting with fent. Can someone eli5? It literally makes your clientele OD for opiates, and for other stuff like coke I can't even begin to understand. Seems like it's a growing problem in Toronto now too which sucks. :/


[1 Points] None:

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[1 Points] coffeencreme:

Here's my deal with it. As an opiate user, I have no issue with fentanyl, it's out there like any other drug for anyone who wants to use it with the normal sensible safety rules. What I have an issue with it fent cuts....even pills nowadays are fent presses. This is fucked up and no wonder people are dying out there.


[1 Points] None:

It shouldn't be banned. If it is banned they will just list it up as other drugs trying to hide the fact it's Fentanyl.


[1 Points] None:

It doesn't matter where the epidemic actually started, DNM is a super convenient target and as such is in danger of extra scrutiny.


[1 Points] maxi_malism:

It would be a very interesting PR move for sure. I'm no moralist when it comes to peoples choices of drugs, but i think it would be very cool and inspiring to see anonymous drug markets taking on that kind of social responsibility by their own initiative. A small triumph against the drug warriors.

The coolest scenario would be if independent labs would do tests on pills and such to see if they were laced with anything, announce their findings and where they were sourced, and the DNMs would ban those vendors and seize their coins. Markets and independent researchers acting in unison without the state.


[1 Points] zombilives:

yes, the fent game have ruined the heroin scene, is death sucking life of addicts.


[1 Points] neuroMode:

Is there any cheap drug kit that people can buy to test for fentanyl?


[1 Points] Darkwoodz:

What about mandating test kits to be sold somehow?


[1 Points] Eskelsar:

I may be a little unpopular with this comment.

In some markets? Of course. Everyone's comparing this to the darknet somehow becoming less illegal by banning particular substances. But this is like criticizing the lack of free speech in a private business setting. There are other concerns at hand besides "100% NO RULES NO REGS EVERY SINGLE SUBSTANCE KNOWN TO MAN SHOULD BE AVAILABLE IN $20 SACKS".

There is the school of thought which believes that everything should be available in our markets. I say, just because we have access to illegal shit, doesn't mean that all drugs should be as easy to get as it is for you to open up Tor.

It would still be possible to find the shit if it wasn't on the larger markets. But personally I think that, the more dangerous something is, the harder it should be to find. This can stop, at the very least, a person who is totally non discriminatory about their drugs who would buy something like fentanyl just because it's on the same page as another drug they enjoy.

I'm all for having the ability to purchase something if you want it. But this shit's just been fucking up so many people's shit lately that I'm starting to think it would be cool if the dark net community could develop some standards that don't involve security for once.


[1 Points] Furanyl:

The problem is that dealers don't know how to properly cut by doing simple fucking math. Heroin or whatever else can be successuly cut with fent, but people just don't know how to do it right, and instead put a shitton and think it's fine.

All it takes is some simple fucking math to calculate how much fent to add and a chemistry technique called geometric dilution, which uniformly mixes two powders so that every single dose has the same amount of fent. Doing this correctly and with extreme care is fucking critical, or else someone overdoses while others don't even get high.

Fent isn't bad, but the dealers are fucking retarded and can't cut right. And they should be explicit about cutting. Unfortunately, your local dealer doesn't give a flying fuck about doing it right and will misrepresent his product for a quick buck regardless of its potential to kill his customers lol


[1 Points] ChaosEternity:

Yes


[1 Points] throwaway--kindof:

No. I cant afford it atm or realy anything, but i'd like to buy it as a doomsday item. just stash it away without the intent of taking it unless the end of days comes,


[1 Points] AcrylicPearl:

No, I agree with what I think the general dmn consensus is. Markets shouldn't ban anything, banning things is and always will be pointless. The reasonable thing to do is ban vendors selling products cut with fentanyl, and really any vendor that misleads consumers deserves to be banned.


[1 Points] XandoCanDo:

Personally, with all the press about how bad the opiate addiction situation is, I wouldn't even THINK about doing fentanyl ! BUT, I still believe that people should be free to make their own choices. I could go to the store right now, buy a bottle of Draino, and chug it down (hey, no law against that! lol) but I don't do it because I'm educated enough to know the health consequences of such a stupid thing.

So if there's still a market of people who want to buy fentanyl, I can't blame a vendor for making it available - they just better make damn sure it's legit shit !


[1 Points] TheButtKing123:

they should just legalize all drugs, we wouldn't even have to deal with this in the first place


[1 Points] DJWalnut:

not only that, but products cut with fent too.


[0 Points] Psychedelogical:

I honestly do believe it should be banned, as well as all of its more potent cousins. Not too long ago a vendor caused a scandal for selling kilos of carfentanil ( https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkNetMarkets/comments/5uhuc6/community_warning_vendor_benzochems_selling/ ) and that scandal picked up a lot of community attention as fentanyl (mainly its potent cousins/RCs) are CHEMICAL WEAPONS. Why allow the sale of the very drug most of our opiods and benzos are being cut with, and will ultimately be the very end of the DNM?  

I favor free-market ideology, and understand the purpose of the DNMs and Tor is to avoid censorship and give people access to drugs they normally wouldn't have access to. But if one of those drugs will inevitably end our access, why derail something we all love for a drug mostly favored by the most extreme opioid addicts and vendors who simply use it to cut their drugs? Hell, just do the math. Figure out how many people can die from simply 1g of carfentanil and tell me it shouldn't be banned.


[0 Points] hopfield:

Yes, it should be banned, for the same reason that ricin, anthrax, explosives, and guns are banned.


[0 Points] None:

YES...def carfent but I think all should be banned . without the DNM SO much fent wouldnt make it to the states


[0 Points] M0RALVigilance:

Fentanyl is 100 times stronger than morphine. There's no need for the mass production of a substance that powerful. Heroin used to be cut with Fentanyl. Now Fentanyl is cut with heroin. To top it all off, those geniuses at the pharmaceutical companies have come up with carfentanyl. It's 10,000 stronger than morphine and it's already on the streets.


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[-1 Points] sqwadlyfe:

yes ban that shit it's fucking up people in canada my buddy died last august for fuck sakes


[-1 Points] LovelyResearcher:

Yes.

I for one think that if things are dangerous due to addiction potential, or the fact that you can overdose on it, but it is totally possible for the user to not have a bad outcome, then it should be fine to sell.

Examples:

 

However, for things that have a very high potential to kill, and are hard to use safely even for the most responsible users, they should be banned. Examples:

 

I feel like it should be a no-brainer. I'm sorry, but if 90%+ of the sales of a drug will result in death, rape, or poisoning others (including lacing) then I don't think it should be sold. This would include counterfeit money, I feel that shouldn't be sold.

This is a very slippery slope as it is a way to "morally police" sales, whereas we are used to a totally open market. However, with this Fentanyl outburst, and what I forsee coming with future research chemical stimulants, cannaboids, and psychedelics (look now at nBome), it's still wiser to go this route. If we don't, more people will die, and more headlines will be made. Then, they will come after us all, not just the little fraction that was guilty. Think about it, the market gets more and more media attention, almost all due to Fentanyl.