[CommunityDiscussion] What is your view on the morality of selling drugs?

I consider myself a mid-level dealer to low scale supplier. Yesterday I had two people tell me how shitty of a person I am because I sell drugs. Didn't get to me because I have a completely different view.

Currently I sell (real) LSD, 25-D (safest N-bome), MXE, and pot. Half of my items come off the markets so I know the quality and all are regent tested, except for the weed, that would be silly. I am a very friendly, caring, and harm reducing drug dealer if I do say so myself. I always make sure people know dosages, active chemical, and other ways to help improve and make using the drug safer and only supply drugs that I myself consider safe.

I don't sell meth, crack, heroin, or pills. I would feel like a shitty person if I did.

So where would you guys draw the line between a moral drug dealer and an immoral scumbag in it for the money? What drugs can you not sell morally and which drugs are in the clear?


Comments


[33 Points] Xantastical:

If you don't lie or sell cut shit then I don't see any problem with it. Most people don't question the morality of selling alcohol, or cigarettes. Shit what you sell may even be considered less dangerous than many legal drugs.


[22 Points] MLP_is_my_OPSEC:

Not regent testing weed?! Scum! /s

In my opinion, a moral drug dealer is one who doesn't deceive buyers. LSD is LSD. MDMA is MDMA. Coke is coke. Even better if they go above and beyond like you do and practice harm reduction. No matter what the substance is.

Immoral is one who lies to their buyers, and knowingly sells laced/cut product.


[18 Points] SoulUndead:

Personally I had to stop selling MDMA because the same people kept coming back every week...


[10 Points] Theeconomist1:

Lol. I hate how people feel morally superior and do this shit and then proceed to have iPhones and galaxies and whatever that is built on near slave labor wages. Now I won't get into that debate here but just saying. Most people who take the time out to call someone a shitty person is usually a much shittier person. Now there are cases where a person is indeed shirty but such a generalization is bullshit and pompous.

If you are honest about your product and treat your customers ethically then you aren't a shirty person. If one lies about their product then that's shitty - but that's true with anyone selling anything.

I tend not to make ethical judgements on another person simply based on a service they are providing. You are simply fulfilling a demand for product from willing customers. Given the nature of what we do, I do feel there is an exceptional responsibility of dealers or vendors to be honest and upfront and conduct business as any ethical business man would. I guarantee you there are people in legal industries that do deserve a shitty label. Obviously the line of opinion will be drawn mostly at whether people feel drugs should be legalized or not.

Heck even if you sold heroin or pills I wouldn't call you shitty bc of that. I have a fundamental belief that my body is my body and what we do is a sort of civil disobedience to laws that shouldn't be on the books in the first place. If a vendor who sells those drugs is honest about the contents of those drugs and doesn't cause deaths blue to their dishonesty, I would not call them anywhere close to a shitty person. Fuck them and fuck their judgements.


[7 Points] clairvoyance1isafag:

So what makes you think that 25d is the safest NBOMe?


[5 Points] D1STURBED36:

Would you feel like shit if you served greesy cheeseburgers? Worked in a shop and let someone buy alcohol/tobacco?

The shit comes from getting people hooked on shit, cutting.. etc


[5 Points] Vendor_BBMC:

Every darknet vendor disrespects the drug laws.

Some , like me, believe that a crime needs a victim. Honest trade is no theft, and I consider myself to be otherwise law-abiding. If I found a wallet in the street, I would hand it in at the police station. Just because I can't see the person whose wallet my fingers are in, and I won't be discovered, it makes no difference. The darknet is exactly like that.

Some darknet vendors don't respect the drug OR ANY OTHER laws. To them, theft is no worse than drugs, and scamming on a par with trading.

It can seem complicated, we all have to be dishonest about who we are, but I think I can summarise the way I see it.

There are two types of people on the darknet

People who do what they say and

People who don't


[4 Points] iwanteditsobad:

I do n't know what to say. Mutilating a defenseless male child's genitals is 100% legal but unless there is a specific and serious medical necessity then it is 0% moral. Same with females except with females it is also 0% legal which is a good thing. But aren't males afforded the same protection?

Never EVER confuse moral or ethical with legal. Circumcision is an EXTREMELY profitable business. They sell severed foreskins to pharmaceutical, skin graft and cosmetics companies.

I would hate for any of these scum to ever cross my path. It would take every last ounce of my will not to snap their neck like a matchstick.


[3 Points] tenderwingz:

If I do say so myself, if I do say so myself.. Got me dancing bro


[3 Points] datfakeaccounttho:

I have to agree with the general consensus. If you're not misrepresenting the product (or selling to kids, I might add), you're not doing anything wrong.


[3 Points] Acetylate:

I'm a dealer and a post-structuralist, so if you want to know how it's "immoral" I'll tell you how. If you do not know the source (ie who made it and how it was made) you are gambling with the possibility of supporting immoral forces which is itself an immoral act. I know, hippies like to smoke weed but generally don't realize most of it comes from the outlaw equivalent of multinational corporations. You know, gangs who kill people and participate in trafficking of other human beings. The moral solution would be to learn chemistry and botany.


[3 Points] MarkovichLSD:

I was interviewed a while ago by people from the second largest newspaper in the Netherlands, they portrayed my view on the matter quite well. Its in Dutch though,

CLEARNET: hxxp://static1.volkskrant.nl/static/nmc/red/frameset/2015/drugsmarktplaats/#interview


[2 Points] Doglover1987:

If you provide a product without fraud or lies I don't see how It's immoral


[2 Points] None:

moneys great. what i do is only sell to a small amount of people. but you gotta build relationships with them. what you need is true customers who buy often and are courtious. i used to have shitty customers and to get rid of them i cut their mdma with salt. obviously to my real customers i would never cut. i even met one of my guys at the train station and took him to the apple store ahaha


[2 Points] None:

If you stuff is fair priced, does not kill people, is of the highest purity, then I believe everything is cool. That is limited to "soft" drugs tho. I would possibly never be able to sell heroin for example


[1 Points] ChemEPHD:

My only line is if you sell drugs as one thing when they are another. If you are intentionally harming people then you are a scumbag. If someone wants to do meth or heroin more power to them. And as long as you sell them good stuff you aren't a bad person.


[1 Points] ericrulz:

I would only view it as morally wrong if you're specifically trying to target young kids to get hooked on shit... otherwise I don't see anything morally wrong with it.

Unfortunately, some of the harshest fines are from selling psychedelic drugs (ESPECIALLY LSD!!!).


[1 Points] youaredrugsTA:

I see it the same as a restaurant selling food and fat people blaming them.


[1 Points] None:

Even if you did sell methamphetamine, heroin, or pills, I would not consider you a bad person.

I'm a low level weed dealer and I used to be a low level supplier for NBOME (couple of other people did the selling for me)

Here's my view, people are going to buy drugs no matter what. It is their own free will of deciding how much they want to use and how responsibly. If a customer gets hooked on heroin, then that guy should take it easy and the drug dealer should not be blamed.

As long as you are honest about your product and do not rip people off, you are just a business man supplying products that are in high demand.


[1 Points] None:

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[1 Points] SecondChanceUsername:

I don't think you're better for selling LSD/pot as opposed to H/pills. To each his own. And you seem to got your feet on the ground. Not lying, cutting, shorting people, etc. Just brush off the ignorant jealous people.


[1 Points] WhereIsMyLSD:

Don't let those type of people bring u down. They're just stupid. I used to sell 25i and 25c from Boss Tweed when he was still around. Now I sell LSD. I switched because people were overdosing and freaking out on the NBOMes (at one point I was also selling 25i + 25c combo blotters). I do feel really bad about it. 2 of my friends almost died. But at the end of the day, they decided to take it and I informed them about what they were taking and how much to take and the risks involved ahead of time as much as I could. So yes it's shitty that it happened but I shouldn't put all the blame in myself. If I were selling NBOMes as LSD, that'd be different. That's some sketchy, scummy type of shit.

Think about the pharmaceutical corporations and tobacco companies and companies selling alcohol. Yeah, people sometimes don't hold them in high regard, but they never get as much hate as some drug dealers do who are selling things that are way safer. Those three things kill unbelievably large amounts of people and nobody bats an eye.

I wouldn't draw the line on being a moral drug dealer based on what u sell. To me, it's more about how u sell it. If you are completely honest about what you're selling and don't misrepresent your drugs (like selling RCs as LSD for example), there's no issue IMO. Also if u are an honest person in terms of making money (like not robbing or skimping anyone for no good reason), no problem with it IMO. If you don't cut your product with something, all good. Even if it is cut, as long as you tell the buyer what it's cut with and are straight up about it, I don't have an issue with that. If they're willing to take a drug (one that they know what's in it/what it's cut with/what it does/what the risks are), then at that point, it's on them. If they voluntarily decide to take 7mg of 25i their first time taking it after you warn them not to, that's their decision and they are the ones who are responsible for what happens after that.

Also, if I were u (I don't really care if u decide to follow my advice or not, I'm just throwing this out there. At the end of the day it's your decision and I'm not gonna judge u for what u decide to do in terms of selling drugs), I'd stop selling any NBOMes. I haven't tried 25d so I can't say for certain how safe it is, but in my experience selling NBOMes, no matter how much u inform your customers, eventually something bad will happen. It's happened multiple times while I was selling it. Just stick with safer stuff if you're trying to make money. LSD is still pretty profitable and so is imported MDMA. In my area, good MDMA and good LSD are scarce and very costly if u can find them. I make good money selling LSD and if I started selling MDMA, I'd be rich :)


[1 Points] None:

Someone's going to sell it if I'm not so I might as well be the guy bringing in the cash. I'm making sure it's safe and represented correctly. Now, you may be a shitty person if you continue to sell to someone who's ruining their life and becoming an addict but that's their fault. Since you don't sell any family ruining drugs that's probably not a problem. I've had to cut a friend off for his own good with mdma. He's a dumbass though.


[1 Points] blackhand25:

On a moral level, I see no problem with selling drugs of any kind if you are telling the customer what they are buying. You can stretch the truth about the experience itself, that's just marketing, but at the end of the day if you tell someone they are buying A that is B percent pure then that is what you should be handing them when they give you money. If you can't give a man what he pays for then you need to seriously consider whether or not you are going to be able to live with the consequences of that, whatever those consequences may be. In the most extreme cases that might mean somebody dying, be it your customer or you when the customer comes looking for you.

Which isn't to say you can't sell drugs that are cut or research chemicals, just that you should be up front about it so the customer can make an informed decision. If someone chooses to shoot up heroin that they know was cut with human bones and dog shit, everything that happens after was their choice. No amount of legislation is going to eradicate demand, and where there is demand there will always be someone willing to supply.


[1 Points] al_eberia:

Why are you selling NBOMe as well as LSD?


[1 Points] WebKoala:

You a good person for caring enough to ask if its moral. You sound like a nice guy.


[1 Points] _mickeythedoomguy_:

Morals are deprecated.


[1 Points] Jackaroopz32:

Link me to how you suppose 25d is any safer than others..


[1 Points] hdheuud:

You're low level. Stop fooling yourself


[1 Points] XanaxBaratheon:

The thing I wonder about is how vendors handle selling the harder drugs to people who for all they know are 14 years old. It's the only thing I find morally questionable about all this.


[1 Points] doubledoseopimpin:

If these people tell you you're a shitty person because of the selling drugs, then why are they even buying them? I wouldn't sell to them anymore.


[1 Points] YouAndWhatArmyx:

I have a really good dealer atm, but I wish you were also in my contacts 'cause I would be calling you often :P you sound like a good dude and dealer


[1 Points] Hank_Vendor:

we're all in it for the money dick head!

and it doesn't matter what you sell... it matters who you sell it to!

don't make addicts.

and what the balls is the difference between a dealer and supplier anyway? if supplier is higher up, surely you have to a high level dealer before you become as "... to lower scale supplier"?


[1 Points] floatinghart:

Without people in the west buying there would be no deaths in South America who were directly related to their demand. It's all over the news every week for ages. And yet westerners still snort coke. They don't care. If anyone the buyers are immoral and without them there would be no supply. Like there isn't a supply of recreational drugs made of south american human organs. I bet if there was the buyers wouldn't give a fuck how it got to them. As long as they get their high.


[1 Points] None:

It's like selling someone a gun and just keep telling them; "dont shoot yourself, don't shoot yourself" whadyagon do?? Fahgetaboutit


[1 Points] SpaceCaseBassFace:

If you give the people what they pay for, have at it. Even heroin. If they don't get it from you they'll get it from someone else. Just like any other product, it's the consumer's job to do their homework and make an informed decision as to whether they want to try it.


[1 Points] amidstallindifferenc:

Fuck it. I split it in 4 parts due to some apparent 10K char limit per post, and apparntly Reddit tells me to wait 10 minutes between posting each part.. I rather posted my response on pastebin. not that i expect too many reading thru it anyway, or evenudnerstanding (if even mostly coherent anyway); whataever tho, bye!

http://pastebin.com/sfWCbfrL


[0 Points] darkgamr:

I don't think there's any moral problem with selling drugs honestly, but at the same time I have no sympathy for dealers who get caught because they're taking advantage of the inflated prices that result from that same risk


[0 Points] Jobless_Junkie:

I believe that if someone is selling weed or something like that, then that's fine. I have no problem with that. However,if it is something like heroin, cocaine, meth, etc., I personally don't think that is ok. Why? Because those drugs truly do ruin lives. I don't care what you say about that, from someone who has been through that shit, I can tell you it really does destroy your life, and your family's.

I understand why they sell it, though. It's good money. They know that you will eventually get addicted, and some may come back multiple times a day for more. Some dealers will even go to the extent to get you addicted, just because of the money.

To me, that means they have no heart. They don't care what happens to you. All they care about is money and their street cred. That's it.


[0 Points] Big_Daddy_Trucknutz:

Get money nigga.


[-2 Points] Oooopss:

I think selling psychedelics is immoral because they are things that should be shared freely. Selling addictive drugs is immoral because you are helping people ruin their lives.

And either way drug dealers are just pretty sketchy in general. I wouldn't be friends with one and respectable girls wouldn't date one.

You are literally risking your life to make a little extra money. That is indicative of a really negative worldview and a mentally unhealthy person.