Voting to remove content

I know that this forum is all about freedom. I know thats why we're all here. Just kidding we mostly just want to get high. But freedom is important and it is one of the things this subreddit is based on. That being said, when there is a cancer, and its killing the whole being, you need to cut that cancer out. If possible. Sadly Im not talking about LEO, I wish we could remove them from the sub reddit, but alas this is impossible. Im talking about Major Large scale vending of xanax and benzo's to mostly kids. The target audience for Bar's are in highschool. The scale that these drugs are being moved in is also unheard of for DNM's. Theres just no comparisons, The quantity of pills being moved is just tremendous. This attracts a tremendous amount of attention from LE, and politicians too. Its kind of a double whammy that the largest production, is for a drug that turns its users into, in my experience with xanax, violent moronic zombies. And theyre mostly in high school. The xanax game is bring untold amounts of unwanted attention, is causing untold amounts of damage to young people, and frankly, since the barbarians subreddit became private, all of the down syndrome that congregated there, has spewed and sloshed into this subreddit. I Want the mods to sanction a vote to decide whether or not to ban all content related to bars. In an attempt to keep out the sickness. I know this goes against what we stand for, freedom. But I honestly think that this is just doing too much damage to our system. To the point where it may very well break it, and we would be wise to distance ourselves and force out what we can of it. I would like some opinions from the other contributing members of this subreddit. What do you guys want to see happen? What is the best way to mitigate this situation? We cant just sit by and watch everything fall apart.


Comments


[4 Points] imridingthegreenbus:

I dont like the idea of censoring this sub, I always want freedom. i do however agree that xanax has only damaged the DNMs.


[3 Points] -lobali:

We wouldn't possibly vote to remove content about a specific, very common drug used. Your first sentence explains why.

We don't censor based on our personal feelings. We remove content unrelated to the subreddit, or troll/jerk posts, or those that break the rules.

Since our subreddit main purpose is how to safely use darknet markets - which are full of benzos, xanax in particular - it would be an extreme case of censorship if we amended it to add "...except xanax."

The poll would almost definitely go like this:

This is actually the first time ever I have felt confident speaking for the team before actually consulting, but this also isn't the first time something similar has been brought up, so I can use precedent. For the record, I am NOT distinguishing this as a mod post: this is just lobali posting as lobali.

This comes up with guns and fraud fairly often. Every member of the subreddit, including the mods, all have their own personal opinions when it comes to any drug, fraud/carding and guns are controversial as well. But our standing is that this subreddit IS about freedom of choice and in as much as it is tragic to see extremely young and impressionable people being targets for a drug that can do such an extreme amount of potentially permanent damage to your neurobiology -- dependence on it is arguably fatal scientifically but almost universally considered to be. (I'll ship the neurochem lecture but dependence genuinely fucks you up and if it goes on long enough, there's potential you can't entirely heal.)

But people die of overdoses of other drugs, we aren't here to save anyone from themselves, and the human typing while signed in as lobali can get physically ill thinking about a teenager with a tolerance of 10mg of alprazolam a day, ultimately our job here is to allow people to post only PART of the information needed in order for people to make fully responsible choices about drug use. We can't and won't tell people what to use and what not to use. It doesn't mean we don't have strong feelings one way or the other about any of them like you - of course we do. But we have two roles, one is just the poster we are, and the other is part of a team that has to make decisions that affect however many people read this subreddit. It isn't easy in a lot of situations. I am willing to say my opinion is that it's an extremely dangerous drug to use recreationally or even carefully researched self-medication, that has some medical value in some situations, but my position as a mod limits me to just stating that's my opinion, not to remove a tiny tiny tiny fraction of possibility that removing discussing bars might change anyone's view, or more importantly - ability to access them. It is more likely to backfire -- a lot of drug use at that age is rebellion, and the more intriguing it is (even /r/darknetmarkets banned discussing itit!!) might make it more appealing. This is not at all a significant pipeline for drugs to reach the people who are the least informed about them.

Unfortunately we don't have the capability to expand our scope to "using markets and everything including every medical/sociological/legal risk that you take when you decide to procure and use illegal substances or objects.

I do want to applaud your open objectivity in the OP, and I have no doubts that you see my reasoning, and I definitely do see where you are coming from as well.

*See children comments... the edit is because I skipped Econ by accident in the original.


[1 Points] None:

Why cant just create a new bar sub reddit. I agree that at some point the wrong kids parents are going to write a letter to their senator. We all know how that turns out. Probably already happened.


[1 Points] sayyywhuuut:

Totally feel ya, but my thought is that to accept this freedom completely you gotta take the good with the bad. And as annoying as all this talk of xanax has become, it still falls within the scope of /r/DarkNetMarkets. Just my $0.02.


[1 Points] keepin_on:

I have been seeing more of this in some rc subs as well. It definitely is all a bit depressing. It's no surprise that the "horror" stories of people (bunch of them sound like kids) are them or their friends overdoing with potent benzos, chasing purely recreational effects without doing any research on potential adverse effects and the eventual extremely difficult withdrawal due to longer-term abuse. Completely unaware of super basic information everyone SHOULD know when it comes to this stuff, like how to dose carefully and responsibly, and taking long enough tolerance breaks, etc.

I feel what you are saying, wish I had a solution. Bit of a shame really, but haven't we always expected this kind of stuff to crop up on public subs like this one for this kind of discussion? One just hopes it doesn't keep escalating.


[-1 Points] throwaxanny:

While we're at it lets ban every post talking about opiates and methamphetamines