I HATE seeing "multisig is too hard"

It's not fucking hard. When properly implemented (like on the now deceased EIC) all a buyer had to do was literally copy and paste an address into his or her settings and then send x amount of coins to an address. As long as everything goes smoothly with the transaction you don't have to do jack shit other than finalize on market like you normally would. And even when it doesn't go smoothly, it adds ONE step.

I refuse to believe this is above anyone's skill level who has managed to set up tor, set up a bitcoin wallet, buy bitcoins, set up and use PGP, navigate to an .onion site, and use that site to get illicit substances delivered to your door.

If you're going to post a response like "EIC exit scammed and they were multisig, AB and Nucleus have been around forever and they haven't exit scammed. Therefore multisig must be the devil." Just shut the fuck up right now and refer to this Wikipedia page

If you're going to post a response like "Multisig is an OPSEC nightmare because LE can see that transaction and automatically associate an address with you." Then I have a question for you: Why is your bitcoin address associated with your identity at all? For the love of god TUMBLE YOUR COINS.

If you're going to post a response like "I'm a lazy fuck who can't be bothered to put anymore than the absolute minimum into getting my drugs." Then get the fuck off the DNMs this isn't an easy place to be. If you don't have the motivation to use a basic service to save your coins from being stolen, then you deserve to get robbed.

Like it or not we're all criminals here. I don't know why any of you would trust some random criminals that set up a website and said "I pinky promise not to take your money." I don't know about any of you guys but I'm done with the DNMs until another 2 of 3 multisig market pops up.


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[22 Points] bipboopbapbeep:

multisig is too hard


[9 Points] None:

Multisig is simple. It's the users here which are dumb as a plank of wood and they continuously prove it by posting dumb questions all day.

Smart DNM users are few and far between.


[3 Points] None:

Clive Granger argued that causality in economics could be tested for by measuring the ability to predict the future values of a time series using prior values of another time series. I love wikipedia


[3 Points] Vendor_BBMC:

You're talking to us like we are stupid, and you aren't. A wallet is associated with a person because THEY OWN IT, so when it sends bitcoin to be turned into cash to an exchange, it can be associated with a name and address AND with a drug transaction.

multisig escrow isn't meant to protect us from exit scams, and no marketplace owner has ever pretended they would be foiled by their own multisig they coded. Hell, they could just change the vendor's passsword.

Multisig escrows are there to protect your bitcoin if the marketplace server ends up in LE's hands. But, as we've already seen, if that happens you'll wish you were on a marketplace with bitcoin mixing and tumbling.

I don't know about any of you guys but I'm done with the DNMs until another 2 of 3 multisig market pops up.

Its very rare for LE to take a marketplace down. You seem like a script kiddie who wants a software solution to a social engineering problem, and you want the marketplace owner to outcode himself so future him can't steal our bitcoin.

Its as likely to work as a vampire guarding a bloodbank, or a fat person holding the key to their padlocked fridge.

We have no choice but to put our total faith in a marketplace owner and his ability to diguise our bitcoin movements. There are a thousand new ways to steal from us that haven't been attempted yet. If they want to, they will, so its a character rather than a software assessment.

The only thing which will stop you from being robbed on a marketplace is an honest marketplace owner.


[2 Points] None:

Everyone fucking upvote this. Its fucking easy


[1 Points] gg4jjjj4444:

No ones is saying multisig is too hard, they are saying that multisig isnt worth the effort, buyer pays vendor, 24 hours elapse and pack is shipped, market goes down during the following week? not buyers problem.

Hansa got it right, remove buyers from the equation and provide what multisig truly is about, removing the incentive to scam.


[2 Points] justpassinbuy:

Fuck them scamming bitches and fuck multisig jk I don't have a problem with it but it's not going to save the world like all the supporters claim.


[1 Points] SrslyNotACop:

Agree. Lol I still think it's fuckin' fantastic that everyone vouched for EIC being secure and awesome while AB is run by carders and steals all your money....but who exit scammed first??!? E. I. C.

Yeah man we are all criminals nd it's time we start realizing that and protecting ourselves from others like us!!


[1 Points] deepindaweb:

This question is coming from beginner, but is tumbling coins that necessary? I seem to come across information from both sides of the argument and they both make compelling points. I'm not for or against tumbling coins it just seems that there's a lot of contradicting information from both sides


[1 Points] HansaMarketTeam:

As long as everything goes smoothly with the transaction you don't have to do jack shit other than finalize on market like you normally would. And even when it doesn't go smoothly, it adds ONE step.

This is very true. Unfortunately people think they have to do something complicated before/after every order, which is not the case.

We have 2-of-3 multisig for a few days now and we have to agree. It is really easy to set up and we encourage every buyer to use it. Check out our market if you like.


[1 Points] darkouterwear:

Sounds way too hard.


[1 Points] dothesame:

everythings too hard ofc


[1 Points] lordredvampire:

If you're going to post a response like "Multisig is an OPSEC nightmare because LE can see that transaction and automatically associate an address with you." Then I have a question for you: Why is your bitcoin address associated with your identity at all? For the love of god TUMBLE YOUR COINS.

Or just route your BTC via TOR. I ain't worried.


[1 Points] PushTheEnvelopiate:

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