Need Opinions: Releasing a Negative Lab Report on Major Vendor and Possible Repercussions

EDIT Yes, yes, I'm a pussy and a faggot for taking the utmost caution in releasing something that could cause me damage down the line. I've PM'd Lobali about releasing this.

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So, I have a certified lab report showing that a major vendor is selling product that is MUCH weaker than he claims it is. I think it would be an enormous benefit to the community to release this report, but I am worried about the possible negative repercussions of doing so. I want to help the community, but if doing so would piss off a major vendor and lead to attempts at doxxing me or worse, no way am I doing it.

So what do you guys think? I'm very interested in vendors opinions as well: if someone posted a lab report showing that you've been lying about the strength of your product, how pissed would you be? Doing so would obviously cut business for this vendor.

Finally, if I choose to post the report, I would much rather do it from a throwaway, although I have a regular account I use to frequently post on this sub. How much trust/creedence would you give a lab report coming from a throwaway, vs. an established account? Opinions, please!


Comments


[61 Points] Throughawayup:

Community>a single vendor. You need to release the information for the sake of everyone. Obviously do it anonymously. Personally I would trust a throwaway just as much as an established account if you can prove that the lab test was legit.


[19 Points] roionsteroids:

Why did you pay for a expensive lab report if you wouldn't want to share results?


[17 Points] None:

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[16 Points] Theeconomist1:

I think it's great you ran some tests and think you should share with the community. If the vendor is large and you made no hints about testing to them from your buying account I don't think they'll know who ran the tests. I think most vendors wouldn't do much but you do need to protect yourself from the small percentage who might.

Feel free to send the mods a msg or me even for guidance. There are mods that have experience exposing much more serious stuff. Gwern comes to mind. Please do share in some way. There has to be a way to keep you protected.


[13 Points] MDMotzart:

You need to put your security first. I would suggest a throwaway account that a vendor could not link to you. Keep in mind, doxxing is a pretty serious offense and is not looked kindly upon by any of the DNM or reddit. The vendor could expect an immediate ban from all accounts.


[14 Points] None:

It's highly unlikely you'll be doxxed over something like that. Pretend you're Edward Snowden and leak that shit cuz we all want to know what's going on. Twenty bitcoin it's about HoS.


[9 Points] PsychedelicTangerine:

Release it. we need to know. I assume this is LSD related.

Please do :)

You will be fine mate but it needs to be out there


[6 Points] 75stupid:

Wow you guys are idiots.

Anyone who spent the time, money, and suspicion to send in a large, well known vendor's product for testing, had strong reason to believe the product was weak, and was so insistent on publishing 'proof' of weak product, that he even sent the product somewhere to be tested.

The entire time, this such person was okay with posting a negative review of a well known vendor online. Not to mention, it is impossible for the vendor to know who is the buyer who did the test and review.

In fact, the ONLY way the vendor would know, is if the buyer informed the vendor, and did NOT believe the product was weak, but as some sort of 'dude your shit is fire, I'm gonna send it to the lab out of curiosity!' In which case this buyer would message the vendor first, and then the vendor would either buy this seller out to shut them up, or offer better product to be tested. To which message logs would exist they would ruin the vendor far more than a bad lab result.

OP is full of shit and obvious

Also, someone recently tested HOS tabs on the evo forums, at 104ug.

I've personally done MULTIPLE batches of GG, HOS, BV, and a handful of other vendors, and I can say with certainty, after testing a few sheets to myself of their shit, that all three of these vendors advertise their dosage correctly.

There is one cuntnugget around here who won't shut the fuck up about HOS being weak, who clearly had a weak lay from long ago. BV is notorious for his BUNK 150s and weak lays, and GG had a strong reputation for weak L until his new WOWs.

Stop fuckong posting over and over that HOS is weak, because its simply not true. Eventually its no longer honestly reporting your own experience, its just fucking being a shill. We already saw you say you had a bad experience, enough already. BV and GG has had weak lays too. It happens. Ask the vendor to make it right.

Oh wait, you don't, because you'd rather just talk shit about a product everyone likes to look cool. Keep on cooling bro. Hos, GG, bv, theyre product is all the same. Fire.

It would be like someone saying Toyotas are all shitty cars because of some silly little brake mistake, and Honda is WAY BETTER WAY FASTER YO. No, they're both the same, good cars. Shut up already.

Seriously you gullible fucks, step off with falling for the drama. Every. Fucking. Time. Every weak some cunt comes up with some Jerry Springer esque story and falls for it, the more salicious, the more of you dipshits fall for it. When are you guys going to learn. No proof, no story, real life is boring. That's why we get high.

Not to mention even if there is a shred of truth to this story, and I'm truly mentally handicapped for even thinking this is a possibility, OP probably cut the sample to intentionally look bad. So much more likely a rival vendor buys a competitor's product, proof, cuts it, send for lab result, posts 'proof' of weak shit.

You guys around here are pretty clueless to the vendor shilling around here. HOS, BV, GG, SB, B54 they all have obvious shill posts, just like every vendor does. Its too profitable NOT to shill with stupid fucks like us as customers.

If anyone thinks that's not true, turcs, KarmaSyndicate, and dhlabs is just a few recent examples of how truly moronic this community is. There are multiple posts by people blatantly saying they don't care if poppermachine is RCI incarnate. oops!


[7 Points] Vendor_BBMC:

I think I can give you very good advice. I'm a vendor, I was a chemical analyst myself in the past, and I have quite good darknet intuition with regard to people's motives.

First off, let me just say that full lab reports are expensive and slow. Most vendors who claim a % purity didn't actually get one. So for an ordinary customer to pay for one just to get his bitcoin back from escrow just doesn't happen.

You're a vendor. And vendors can't be caught telling lies and sneaking around.

The only people who submit a sample for testing is the vendor himself, of their own product. Usually after importing their product from another vendor overseas then receiving lots of criticism from his own customers.

I'm most familiar with my own product listings, so I'm going to use that as a example:- UK Crystal Meth. I'm going to assume you're a vendor, and the analysis is of your own product. I can see the pickle that you are in.

You've purchased from another darknet vendor, which is an absolute no no because vendors should not give their details out. You're probably just a customer who thought he saw a market opportunity without understanding the market or the customers. This happens quite a lot in my category, because the UK is the only country in the world where cut meth is unacceptable. Opportunists who import meth don't realize that all overseas meth is heavily cut.

The second mistake you've probably made is not getting high on your own supply. Like a teetotal wine importer, one glass would have told you it was vinegar, but you probably were too scared of it to drink that glass. Am I right? So any quality or purity claims you made were pure invention.

I'm guessing you sent some off for analysis over christmas to prove your customers wrong, but it proved them right. .

The overseas vendor you bought it off won't refund you. Your competitors have extremely pure product. You're stuck with some crap you can't shift.

The established domestic competitor can't doxx you, unless you did that no-no twice, and ordered from them with a shill account to try to reduce their reputation by giving them poor feedback. But an established vendor reduces your feedback score and looks out to see who you've reviewed. He will have seen several fake self reviews using the same shill account change from "anonymous 5/5" to "anonymous 4.77/5" on your own vendor profile.

He knows its you, because you were trying to be clever. But you were stupid, broke the rules, and now youre in the uncomfortable position all scammers find themselves in. Scammers are customers, not vendors.

If you'd just kept your head down, the esatablished vendor wouldn't have known. By reducing his market rating, you've essentially sold im your name and address. THATS WHY VENDORS AREN'T ALLOWED TO BUY FROM VENDORS.

You're up shit creek without a paddle, mate. Sorry. The best thing you can do is just keep your head down and avoid trouble. If established vendors offer you advice, take it. And if you're going to try to hurt aother vendor, you can't be a pussy and ask reddit for advice.

You strike hard and low because you only get one chance. if you don't finish them, they deservedly Have you by the balls.

Even if you use your established accouNt to publisH the lab report, everyone will know that its for your own product, not the established domestic vendor youre trying to smear, or the mexican vendor who ripped you off - this is tantamout to an admission that you've been selling crap to your own customers.

Its a catch 22 situation. I say do nothing. Nobody believes a throwaway account, and if you use your vendor account people will say "why are you buying XXXX from a competitor?" and "why analyze his XXXX and not your own?"

One other thing:

The vendors who've been around for a long time are very rare. They're survivors who seem to have a magical ability to see through the dark. If you try to be clever and hurt them you'll come unstuck, because they think 4 steps ahead. You're only thinking 2 steps ahead.

Instead of trying any kind of chicanery to try to hurt their reputation, try to learn from them to become a better vendor yourself. Every amateurish trick that new vendors think they invented has been tried a hundred times before.


[6 Points] None:

Maybe ask one of the mods to post it for you, or even another member of this sub. That way the info gets out but no-one knows where it came from.


[6 Points] BeerSuxPotRulz:

Instead of typing all of this out and putting everyone through this waiting game you should've just made a throwaway account and posted the results. I always thought that was the whole point of having a community of people who love drugs and buying them online, to help each other out. This is just the drama of the hour. Until next time, folks!


[4 Points] tvgn9545:

spill it, fa-fa-fo-hi


[4 Points] DontDoDrugs54:

Doxxing you fucks them just as much, only reason they would even try is if the results were total shit and already ruined all of there business. However on a throwaway with no mention to them about a lab report youre fine. Do it. for everyone.


[5 Points] ACAurelius:

If you are going to post the lab results and the vendor, go ahead and do so. It's been 8 hours and you've gotten all the advice you're going to get, and the consensus is overwhelmingly "Post the lab results. If it's from a legit lab, then it won't matter if you use a throwaway account. You will be safe from Doxxing unless you did something stupid like messaged the vendor about your intentions to lab test it."

So, go ahead and post. It is starting to look like you were/are just waiting for someone here to tell you "Don't post, save yourself!"... which simply isn't going to happen. So go ahead and post the lab results.

Again, unless you did something stupid, you should be safe from Doxxing, and since you'll be safe, it's kinda shitty not to share with the community the test results. I mean, Dark Net Markets, while somewhat shying away from the original radical freed market ideology of DPR and people like him, is still supposed to be a proof of concept that you can have radically free markets selling anything without government oversight or regulation. For that to be true, the community has to be self-regulating to a certain degree. That means calling out market participants (Vendors & Buyers) who do fucked up things like scam, steal, commit fraud, falsely label products, lie about strength of products, lie about packages not arriving, Extortion & Blackmail Attempts, etc. So I say again, go ahead and post. If you do not intend to, just say you're not going to, and let this thread die.


[3 Points] None:

If you go about this intelligently there is zero risk to yourself. It wouldn't be possible for the vendor to retaliate even if they were inclined to do so. Lying about product is a pretty elementary mistake and indicates that the vendor in question doesn't know how to run a business so the likelihood of them even being able to mount a counterattack if they knew your identity is slim.

Expose this lying (or clueless) amateur and be done with it. Maybe they'll gradually get their shit together and it'll be a good thing for everyone, or they'll vanish and it'll be a good thing for everyone. Either way, you should see the benefit.


[3 Points] None:

This sub is absolutely filled with drug fuelled ideas/statements/threads

People take their drugs and burn the euphoria and energy creating these posts and once the drug wears off they fuck off. 95% of " who wants shit tons of xxxx cos I can get shit tons of amazing xxxx" can be explained this way.

Until he posts something quantifying then he's another one of them imo


[3 Points] DnmAvenger:

You are not a pussy, dude. This is self preservation at its finest, but you also have the community in mind. Honestly, some people just wouldn't understand because they have nothing to lose. You get props from me just for starting this conversation, and hopefully, the results do get posted.


[3 Points] Hank_Vendor:

I wouldn't care less. Don't talk about how goods your cards were as you fold . Show what you've got or shut your trap.

I mean really? A vendor would come and actually risk his freedom, by trying to hurt you for posting an analysis on reddit???

Also not to rain on your parade, but a lab report on something doesn't actually prove it was the vendor either...


[3 Points] noonehear:

Well this was the most useless words I have read all day....


[1 Points] dicklover69420:

post it fag


[2 Points] WhereIsMyLSD:

I really think u should post it. It's important that we all work together to cut down the false advertising here, even if that means a vendor will lose business, which they should for not being honest.

Please share the results.

What is the product?


[2 Points] RobotTits:

Why would he know it's you? Are you the only one buying his shit recently?

At least mention the drug or else this post is nothing but annoying click-bait.


[2 Points] throwahooawayyfoe:

How much trust/creedence would you give a lab report coming from a throwaway, vs. an established account?

Post a scanned image of the report with any personally identifiable info blocked out. If it's from a reputable lab like Energy Control or someplace, we'll believe it.

As an aside... If I had a certified lab report showing damning evidence of a major vendor, I would consider it my duty to share it with the community. Make a throwaway and post it.

As another aside... Bababooey! Bababooey! Howard Stern's penis! Bababooey! Bababooey!


[2 Points] crackwidow:

Please share! If you can prove the legitimacy of the lab report, a throwaway is fine.


[2 Points] None:

Would you private message me the vendor?

I know one big popular vendor just hit a bad batch of weak product and is resolving the issue.

Otherwise, I have strong opinions about it. Name and post, fuck worrying. If it's a big vendor they can't dox you.

Alternately if you can and are willing to prove me the order, what you tested is the substance that you have the result from, I will post it for you.

I got burned by the 4lb PFM guy because he did send me an unbelievable amount of proof of his story. He doxxed someone in a nearly identical position to his claims; I had police report, newspaper articles, a f'ing copy of an ID - he went to amazing lengths to prove his fake story.

So now I am a little leery about proof but I also strongly believe that it's important to get these things out in the air.

Let me know how I can help.


[2 Points] AllJoociedUP:

I'm 100% sure it is not HoS, Because I have personally had the product tested a couple months ago BY Energy Control under a similar disposition.

I had the same feeling about the xanax bars I was getting. Sorry "INDIANBENZO" or whatever I usually keep these things to myself, sent a few bars in to get tested. 1 out of the 4 had NO ALPRAZOLAM. WTF!. Selective scamming at it's finest IMO. Pressing the pills leaving 1 out of 4 I realized compounds into a gram of Alprazolam easily. Its like they cut coke, but by the batches. I'm sure smaller orders get the 'better' batch and larger orders have a higher ration of placebo:Xanax ratio.

Are you kidding me abut this post.! DNM are filled with claims of "95%+" 'fishscale' blow. I did some research and most of the blow that makes its way here lands at 80-84%. So I tested it (I kinda have an OCD thing) turns out it was 70%, but washed over with acetone so it smelled more like yayo and gave a stronger 'pinch' when in-sulfated. So it really wasn't anymore 'pure' then it was 'wet'

Sorry, BESTBlow. I usually keep these sorts of things to myself, because reddit is crawling with stupid little kids (for the most part), and no disrespect to the veteran posters.

LSD on the other hand is really hard to 'cut' or dilute intentionally. Given the textbook threshold of 25ug. I find the threshold more around 35ug. That THRESHOLD DOSE kiddos, google it. Its the minimum amount need to "feel" something. And at 35ug, trust me its nothing to go party with, you almost have to concentrate on it to even feel it.

So lets say. Hypothetically this entire thread is basically pointing at HoS, for whatever reason the dumbf**k who posted it had. Do you know that even if the doses were 60ug you would still need to 'concentrate' to feel it. Infact, from personal experience it is around 75ug where you dont need to concentrate and your actually tripping. Given 1g of LSD-25 yields 10,000 doses @100ug/dose seems like it is not a far stretch 75ug, but a vendor (not to say that I am or ever have been) would rather the gram would break evenly then short 25ug of each tabs and have to deal with the the stoichiometry involved in carrying that. Its just too much shit to deal with. With LSD. it takes a little more 'intellect' to lay weak tabs than a coke dealer would need to just mix in some Novocain into a fresh Q.key and doubling up.

Only thing is The coke dealer's customers are still gonna get high, The LSD dealer's customers are going to think it is bunk.

Again, I spare none now. And I might want to bring to spotlight an old case of Dr. William Leonard Pickard. Said to be making KILO grams of LSD. What I remember from accounts of (I can't remember which one) Owen Stanley or Nick Sands they would pass the doses at $0.60-$0.80 per dose when you do the math of breaking down how much each gram sold for, assume for sanity 100ug doses, HoouseofSpirit's prices are not 'too low' you idiots. HoS is just closer to the chemist. Higher in the chain. buying em up at ) $0.80/100ug does direct from chemist and reselling it at what $280 for 100 doses @100ug each. Its a good mark up on HoS's end, because the chain is smaller.

Again, I spare none in this candid post. HoS's LSD-25 is not the best in quality. Berkeley Silver is not that sharp 12 step needlepoint BV has, probably why its cheaper, but its doses at 100ug for certain. HoS's GDF is another great example. HoS is obviously buying it more expensive per dose so prices are high naturally, BUT the GDF is 12 step needlepoint Pharm grade (lol) LSD-25.

Spare none. I think HoS has some little kiddies who get all pissy on reddit because HoS can't seem to get shit together and actually send fucking packages out when they're marked 'shipped.'

To the poster who mentioned Vendor's are 4 steps ahead. Surviving vendors (not that I am one, nor even been one) are 4 steps ahead. I'm surprised HoS hasn't picked up the act by now and is now lagging back a couple steps. I'd say it was time for HoS to stop packing and start coordinating and staffing different stash houses and having orders drop shipped from different regions rather than packing them all. Seems a little ridiculous a vendor of such caliber missed the point the the internet scales very quickly and sometimes its better 'staff' and take a more administrative roll which in my opinion HoS has failed miserably at.

Hope this helped.


[2 Points] 666fun:

If the vendor does any amount of volume, and the product you purchased and had analyzed isn't unique, how do you imagine that said vendor would know who you are, let alone take out violent repercussions?

When I did drugs heavily, I had no problem telling someone if their stuff was shit, to them or in front of their customers or other dealers. Never was greeted with aggression, usually denial or sometimes apologies.

These guys aren't making the product they're selling 99 year times out of 100. They're just cutting and repackaging what they bought, so to they shouldn't take you pointing out issues as a personal attack.

But let's look at things:

You post your analysis.

Right off the bat, 75% of reddit will disbelieve you. And 2 days later, it'll be pushed far off the front page and no one will notice. And somehow you fear that a dealer, having no idea which of his hundreds of customers it was, will figure it out and drive halfway across the country to exact revenge?

No.

Just scan and post the report. Obscure any personally identifying info and any info regarding the lab that dud the testing, post from s throwaway, and don't let yourself lose a second of sleep over it.


[2 Points] 225-389-3800:

My bullshit alarms are going off.

You will never release a report.


[2 Points] rulinus:

So if you would not listen the advices you asked for, why the fuck you wanted them in first place?

Stop being an asshole and post the results, or get the fuck outta here. So far, it seems like you are bullshitting at its finest.


[1 Points] Fillyhaze:

Ya I'm with everyone else. Unless you've expressly told the vendor you were testing their product there is no way for this to blow back on you. Post the results from a throwaway and you'll be fine.

It'll also do the community a huuuuuuge favor. So sack up.


[1 Points] None:

Send it to me, i will post. Upload to anon image site and send me the link.


[1 Points] lnsaf:

Pleeeeeeeeease don't be quantik. Please let OP be talking about some dope or some blow


[1 Points] looons:

thepowderguy is who i bet it is


[1 Points] Zombie21st:

The excitement, at least tell us what product it is.


[1 Points] GreenSnapper2120:

I hope it's Quantik!! Cause he's been getting some pretty negative feedback lately n will save people tons of money cause they won't be buying bull shit off of a vendor who's claiming he has 3 mg bars n clearly anyone who has purchase d off him in the last month KNOWS THEY AREN'T CLOSE TO 3MG !


[1 Points] blackbankthrowaway:

This doesn't have anything to do with a certain Oxycodone vendor selling ETH446s that have Fentanyl as the only active ingredient, does it? because I just stumbled on that lab report a short while ago and it immediately answered a lot of questions.

Edit: If it IS, then I think you might be potentially saving someone's life by posting it. Also, that particular vendor has had so much speculation surrounding those for so long, it would be virtually impossible to trace back to a single individual unless you have actually said something to him about it at some point.

Even if it isn't, the entire purpose of this community is to inform, reduce harm, and to keep things as straight up as possible. A vendor lying about his product isn't just unethical, it could be potentially deadly. I'd either release the information or give it to someone else to release who can't be tied to you or your transaction/s with them.


[1 Points] k9atemybuds:

Well reading this was a waiste of 2 minutes I'll never get back. Thanks for nothing,


[1 Points] Vendor_BBMC:

I didn't realize it was going to be so hard to explain this to non-vendors. I'm not doing a very good job, so I'll try a different tack. You're all making an assumption which probably isn't correct.

You're all deciding this is an analysis report of HOS' LSD.

Lets say you're correct, for the sake of arguement. HOS has been selling very low potency LSD.

I'm saying that "bababooyey123" IS HOS!

To my knowledge, House of Spirit ISN'T a chemist. He's just some dude who sells LSD.

"Why would he complain about his own LSD?" BECAUSE IT ISN'T HIS OWN LSD. HE DIDN'T MAKE IT!

HOS is just some dude, who bought LSD from "some other dude" (probably a dutch vendor). HOS is complaining he got ripped off by "some other dude" in Rotterdam. He feels angry, but he's been appily taking your money in exchange for that bunk AND HE DOESN'T WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT bababooyey123 IS House of Spirit!

That's the "Doxxing" he's worried about. he want to complain that he's been sold crap, without YOU complaining the HOS sold crap to you

Do you understand my point now? I'm not saying HOS started this thread, it could be ANY dude who isn't a chemist / cultivator.

Really, every darknet vendor should be a manufacture / cultivator / manufacturer, selling to you with no middle men or dealers.

"Unfortunately, most vendors are "just some dude who didn't bring anything from outside into the marketplace. They went darknet shopping just like you do. Whether its "fire" or "weak ass", they are going to sell it to you until you complain. Thats when they have it analyzed.


[1 Points] young_k:

wow you have no balls.


[0 Points] enimateken:

Your posting style is familiar to me from bl(?)

Be careful dude!


[-1 Points] twigburst:

I think you should just burn down the lab you used to get your drugs tested and call the police as soon as possible. This is bad.


[-3 Points] powersv2:

I would recommend not posting the certified lab report on a throwaway if you want to be taken seriously.