The situation in the Netherlands regarding LSD: A quick summary

So, here is a list of things we know:


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[26 Points] None:

I believe the main problem is a thing called the stamps on the outside of the envelopes and the postmark which says 'Amsterdam, Nederlands'. They tend to be a red flag to fat bald men working in customs that the letter contains drugs.

Solution: Find a Dutch vendor who'll ship via Germany.

They exist.


[11 Points] _Colorado_:

"I am going to save a few dollars by greatly increasing my risk."

Does that sentence sound reasonable? Then stop ordering international. There are dozens of domestic LSD sources.


[10 Points] CocaineNose:

How difficult would it be for vendors in NL to just cross the border into Belgium and ship from there? Germany is closer, but even that's a little sketch. Never hear much from Belgium though. Amsterdam to Brussels is like a 2 hour commute.


[9 Points] iLoveDNM:

Drug dogs absolutely can be trained to sniff LSD, though I can't speak to how common such a thing is.

Bottom of page, says Our dogs have been trained to sniff... LSD

Here's the stuff they train the dogs with for LSD


[9 Points] DickClarkFive:

The most likely reason the shipments are being caught is the fact that vendors are reusing return addresses

Vendors can get profiled and flagged by much more than just reusing return addresses.

Package type, size, weight, material, label types, font/handwriting, shipping location, postage type, etc.

Find one package just by chance, and all these things can be used to build a vendor profile and pull every other package that fits it for further inspection.

There is even a generic drug package profile, that if you package fits it, gives them probable cause for further inspection.

http://www.lycaeum.org/~sputnik/War/profile.html

Although many of the characteristcs of the "Profile" (e.g. hand-written labels and heavily taped packages) appear to be quite general and/or vague in nature, the courts have consistently upheld the "Profile" and have deemed it not to be the basis of an aribtrary search.

http://theadvocate.com/home/7031641-125/postal-investigators-target-drug-trade

Postal inspectors and other law enforcement officials also have developed a drug profile they use to flag packages. Some signs of suspicion include heavy taping, bulging and unusual odors.

But detection efforts extend beyond the appearance of a particular parcel. Otherwise inconspicuous packages have drawn attention due merely to their city of origin, as postal inspectors consider some states, especially California, to be a hotbed for drug trafficking.


[7 Points] dieselrhod012:

why don't you think dogs can smell chemicals, they could have easily taught a dog to smell the by-product of lsd, never underestimate a dog.


[4 Points] Smokeyz:

But why the recent spike of LSD seizures? I understand a K-9 can detect LSD but they've been using K-9's for years now this isn't new news. There has to be some other method because it seems to me this last month has been filled with seizure reports.


[2 Points] colocures:

"NL is a high risk country, we know that please don't keep mentioning it."

Actually, I think people need to be constantly reminded of this, many people order from NL without thinking about it.


[2 Points] DickClarkFive:

No matter what people are saying, LSD can not be effectively located using UV scanning methods or drug sniffing dogs when it is in an envelope, LSD in blotters is very stable, lowly dosed (microgram range) and will not be detectable by a drug dog, ever.

You are very wrong.

Dogs can sniff out LSD. The question is, is there enough of the molecule around to make it to the dogs nose, in a LSD package.

And this depends on how well it was packaged. A large shipment, or a messy vendor who touches the blotter paper, then handles the envelope could certainly cross contaminate the packaging to the point a dog could sniff it out of a lineup.

Dogs can also be trained to sniff out other things related to LSD shipping, like the blotter paper.


[1 Points] None:

I see; so your estimations of primary drug countries are derived from proximity to the Netherlands.


[1 Points] trippledip:

markovich has not logged into Agora for 6 days.

This isn't too surprising taking into account the Ag downtime. He has been online today. Are there any statements of affected vendors?

I have a hard time finding dnm forums in with high activity (SR2 and Evo seem to have been the last dnm forums with high activity). If anybody has links to discussion of this in oinionland please share, since vendors are more likely to respond there.


[1 Points] SecondChanceUsername:

SO... lets (as a community) counter-act LE. Have many more decoys sent here and if only 1/5 contains an amount of a CS thats even worth a LL or CD then those are still pretty good odds. Also, Why don't Dutch vendors just change the exterior of their pack and stamps more often? Germany(and Bulgaria, Romania, Czech Rep.) is pretty sketchy too though.


[1 Points] jimihendrixandlight:

Regarding the two arrests, I'm almost certain there has been a third. A friend of a friend of a friend...

I would veer with caution if you ordered from purplelab.


[1 Points] None:

"No matter what people are saying, LSD can not be effectively located using UV scanning methods or drug sniffing dogs when it is in an envelope, LSD in blotters is very stable, lowly dosed (microgram range) and will not be detectable by a drug dog, ever. The most likely scan analysis for LSD is the tinfoil in an envelope."

What about those swab machines they use at customs - don't they detect LSD?