Fun Fact: All complaint threads about BitcoinFog stealing money are from fresh accounts with no comment history or karma

I'm not the only person who has noticed that there is something funny about all the "bitcoinfog stole my money" threads.

First, they are far too regular which suggests an extremely wide scale problem, but at the same time the reports do not appear on bitcointalk or other DNM forums. Based on /r/bitcoin having 150k subscribers you'd expect them to see four btcfog complaints per week. Based on bitcointalk having at least 250k active users per month you'd expect at least five complaints per week. For some reason /r/dnm is seeing a grossly high number of btcfog complaints.

Second, the premise of the claim is just ridiculous - fog would be tearing up the fees, and if you do or don't believe they also run Agora then they have that income as well (in the millions per month) - there is no reason why they would steal $30-300 figures from random users.

Last but not least - and which indicates a FUD campaign perpetuated against /r/dnm users - most threads complaining about fog stealing money are from users with no or little comments, karma or other contributions. You'd understand that one or two users register accounts to complain - but all of them is suspicious. If bitcoinfog were scamming for real - you'd think it would hit some regular contributors to this sub (and why would throwaways pick this sub to complain to?). This would suggest that the comments are being made to further another mixing service (perhaps, one whose admin is a regular here cough)

Here is the last month of "bitcoinfog ate my homework" threads:

that was every complaint thread about bitcoinfog in this entire sub for the past month, and every one of them is from a fresh user account or one with almost no activity.

In the one complain about bitcoinfog that looks legitimate the user goes on to admit later that they were phished - while with the sockpuppet complaints against btcfog above they just leave the threads open with plenty of accusation but no conclusion

If you search further into history, i'm sure you'll find more examples.

I have no idea why the mods are allowing these threads, but something to keep in mind.


Comments


[48 Points] 4244244:

Cool and all. But I also post on this subreddit every single day and always make a new account after shutting down TOR. It's funny that this sub embraces anonymity but when people with no traceable history post they are often made out as shills.


[13 Points] None:

Every time someone makes this claim, I like to stand up and point out that I am an exception to that rule. I experienced the classic symptoms of a BTCfog selective scam. Money goes into account. Comfirmed present. Later, account credentials don't work. Money never appears in DNM.

I know that this account is relatively new. I've been around for a while, but not under this identity. I feel relatively comfortable that this identity won't be casually traced back to my IRL identity, so I am willing to say this publicly. Hopefully I have enough history/contribution that you can't write me off as a sock puppet. I have said it before, and everyone seems to forget and jump on the "BTCfog scam claims are all shills" bandwagon a little later.

Why didn't you find my thread where I complained about it? Because at the time the incident happened, I was not participating in /r/DNM. I was just lurking. So I never started a thread. Oh well... I guess it didn't happen.

The argument of, "They already make so much money, why would they steal?" is silly. For one thing, people always like to have more money. For another thing, who knows if it's intentional? Maybe there is a security issue with their site that leaks credentials. Maybe somebody else is hacking a small percentage of accounts, knowing that they can fly under BTCfog's radar since everyone will assume the users are lying or got phished. For example, maybe one of the admins is stealing money on the side. I have no idea. I'm just reporting the facts. Money went in. Credentials got changed. Money was gone. And yes, I used the right URL and BTC address; and yes, I had strong password and yadda yadda yadda, although I will never be able to convince anybody of that.


[9 Points] InfinitelyOutThere:

we've noticed this too and thats why btcfog has never gotten an official warning just caution labels. Ive never had a problem with it (though i use helix now) and mustve passed at least 50 coins through btcfog between all my friends over the last couple years.

As /u/agoramarket loves to cite, tumbling for most users is completely a waste of time, and useless unless you leave the block chain. the best real way to conceal coins is LBC->Exchance->BTC to LTC->LTC to DRK->DRK->BTC->Helix->Market (feel free to use any crypto currency path ltc and drk are examples)


[9 Points] reekleek:

Vendors complained about btc fog too but ok


[4 Points] rdnmshit:

Also helix posted that announcement about fake clearnet site like 2 days after the most recent complaint. I think like a scammer so I noticed it right away. Makes you wonder....

Also, JUST SAYIN' that the drug search engine and tumbling service is a great idea for a honeydick attempt.


[4 Points] None:

I myself was a victim of Bitcoin Fog stealing my coins & I've been using the DNM sites for a while? Whats the excuse there? Some people find it hard to believe a market that is laundering coins illegally would never steal your coins, don't be so naive.


[4 Points] young_k:

we should all just chip in with changetip and hire gwern full time to investigate every scam in /r/DNMScams or something :P only confirmed scams make it to this sub, on the sidebar, and only gwern can edit it.

I am of course joking.


[2 Points] None:

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[1 Points] Bambooaway:

Bitfog made me wait two days to get my money and now they are doing the same. This is the only forum I write on. It has multiple topics that I am interested in. They do not reply and they don't care because there is no way to get your money back if they take it or hold it as long as they want.