Blatant false advertising should be prohibited from DNMs

I know we can't pretend to have every product tested, but if we want to have a minimum standard of quality around the DNMs it should be prevented that vendors get the same credit regardless of the real quality of their products.

In other words there will never be uncut cocaine if everyone can list their cocaine as uncut whatever that's true or not. There won't be motivation to sell quality if quality is not acknowledged.

What could be done:

a) Don't allow purity percentages / unadulteration claims on listing unless those claims are proven with an independent test.

OR, AT LEAST

b) Ban/punish vendors who have commited fake advertising after they are proven wrong.

OR

c) Modify the listings that contain blatantly wrong information and prevent those vendors from publishing this kind of information in the future.


Comments


[26 Points] PerpetualPlusFour:

How, exactly, do you propose that be done? Even just monitoring product listings closely enough to identify every time a vendor makes an objective claim about purity/quality that could be tested on any of the more active markets would take a lot of manpower, probably more than the existing admin teams could reasonably do without bringing in a lot more people. Bringing in new people to a darknet operation is hard - you have to somehow determine that you can trust those people in a community where we all take active steps to make it as difficult as possible to determine our real identities or anything identifying about us as individuals. Even if they don't have any backend access to parts of the market that could potentially be used to pull off a scam of some sort, you still have to worry about vendors getting themselves or their paid shills in on that team and corrupting the results.

And that's just to flag claims that this policy should be applied to. What then? You can't just ask each vendor to provide one small sample to a tester (or worse yet, just provide what they claim to be authentic test results from a third party), since they could just send one sample of much better shit than the product they actually send out to the rest of us. You could have the admins randomly place small orders with these vendors to do 'secret shopper' type testing, but that would be a constant flow of money out of their pockets and it could have the unintended effect of encouraging scammers since they can expect to get at least 1 or 2 of these 'testing' orders for their scam listings. Even legit vendors would start including quality claims even where there's no real need to do so, just to get a couple extra free sales out of the testing process.

Even if you can somehow work out a system that reliably gets representative samples of the goods being sold and apportions the cost of this process in a reasonable way, you still have the problem of actually testing the sample. Constantly mailing in test samples to labs for GC/MS and the like seems like a pretty big opsec risk. I certainly wouldn't volunteer to be the one constantly receiving small orders of hard drugs from questionable vendors and constantly shopping small samples of hard drugs out to major drug testing labs. But without sending a sample to a reputable lab that offers this sort of service, there's no practical way to evaluate the accuracy of things like cocaine purity claims, to categorically rule out the presence of specific cuts, etc. Some claims, like LSD doses per hit of blotter, are virtually impossible to verify with much precision.

And then there's subjective aspects to whether a claim should be called out as wrong or not. For example, it's pretty widely accepted that there is little to no truly "uncut" cocaine anywhere outside the main producing countries, since the cartels take the pure product straight to adulterant labs that add the first round of cuts to each batch before it's ready for export. If someone claims to have 'pure uncut Colombian coke', and it tests out to have a small amount of impurity consistent with the best product known to come from Colombia, is that claim false (because it's not actually that mythical stuff known as truly "pure"cocaine), or is it true (because it is the purest grade of Colombian coke that anyone outside the cartels will ever likely get their hands on)? What if a vendor consistently lists their MDMA as 84% pure by volume (The highest possible for the most common salt form), but one batch tests in at 83.8% Is that worth labeling as 'false'?

It would be great if we could have perfectly reliable info about the exact quality and chemical composition of the illegal drugs we want to buy. Sadly, that's just not how black markets work. This is what happens when you don't have access to basic rule of law institutions that can effectively enforce rules against fraud.


[20 Points] Ketadream:

I agree


[9 Points] None:

It'd also be nice if every single vendor had to take a picture of the product on a piece of paper with their vendor name on the paper.


[8 Points] Id50:

another big problem is novice users reviewing product - particularly opiates and cocaine. '10/10 quality! Amazing!' Take that exact same dope to someone with a tolerance 'wtf, this is worse than what i get for half price from my dude down the street. shit, i should just start selling that on here for $200 a g and get my habit for free!' (dope is 100/g more or less in real life)... and the cycle continues.

UNCUT COCAINE UNTOUCHED OFF THE BRICK AFGHAN DOPE (aka the normal, regular stuff from your local major metropolitan area)

people sell 5 stamp bags for like $80. It's around 80-100 (don't know philly/nj prices anymore now that they have crazy police presence) for 13 bags. So, MORE than 100% profit to these dudes selling stamps, straight from the street, and it's considered some of or at least comparable to the best dope on the markets. that really is some fucking bullshit.


[6 Points] XXX-XXX-XXX:

i know its only an example. but uncut coke isnt possible


[5 Points] None:

"Top shelf bud" that's not even cured, smells like hay, gets ya high for 30 min. Pretty much any "high quality" bud on dnm's I've ever got (15-16 orders, different vendors, I order from dn ms when traveling for work)has been a let down, nothings any better than what I can get locally in a non-med/non-decriminalized state.


[2 Points] goat_tiggies:

I've come to the conclusion that a lot of people using the DNM have never tried drugs any other way - they feed off the hype of others and probably really believe the coke theyre doing is outstanding, etc.

I've had some bunk coke and bunk heroin here on the DNM and both vendors had 100% positive reviews, fire, etc. It's a sad day when the best #4 heroin i've found thus far has been from street stamps.

Another thing to consider is how intimidating it can be to be that customer who ruins a vendor's 100% positive streak. I got some "off the brick" coke that was a bag of shake - mostly nodoz, benzo and levamiosole from the burn and feel of it, so I rated him negatively and left an honest review. Vendor messages me back and hinted that he had my address saved and that he would be telling other vendors to stay away from me as I was telling lies.

I ended up ditching that username just to play it safe, but you can see why people will be reluctant to leave honest reviews. I find it much safer to leave a review here on reddit, with a different username than I ordered from.


[2 Points] badgirl89_:

This is a good idea but it would take too much time for the mods to incorporate everything with this.

hahah fuckkk does that make sense??? fucking fuck I am so god damn high right now haha<3 I LOVE YOU xxx


[1 Points] iLoveDNM:

Honestly I like that I can tell a vendor is being generic and not actually describing their product. It's one of the things to look for in a vendor to avoid.

And uncut is possible, an acetone wash will get you product >90% purity. So it's not out of the question, even if it was cut with levimisole at the source.


[1 Points] None:

That won't happen. Ur best bet is to try multiple vendors until you find a product you like.


[1 Points] sorrybouthatsport:

There have been plenty of cases where a market could and justly shut a vendor down for selling bunk or might as well be bunk shit. Remember that little stunt NPH ie NeilPatrickHarris pulled? That got him shut down. So there are plenty of good cases but there's a huge grey area where blanket policies could go very wrong.Caveat emptor applies heavily to the DNMs


[1 Points] pinkpanther227:

False advertising should be allowed. I like when vendors lie.


[1 Points] Vendor_BBMC:

I always take photos of tis week's actual batch. heres a couple of mosaics of them. One of the photos is usually the product in a pyrex dish standing on that day's newspaper

http://anonimg.com/img/bb9748cc70a4d952ca6cc96ce66e2022.jpg

http://anonimg.com/img/41ba8bb1f528754d9aaa7d4264e749bb.jpg

If I ever made a claim about % purity, I would expect to be called out and have to prove it with the GC/MS summary sheet.

Vendors tend to use "84%" for everything recently. ave you noticed?


[-4 Points] None:

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