Best bang for your buck safe psychedelics? Help decoding alphabet soup- 4-ho-dmt et al, etc, ty ayylmao

From what little I know (nothing) about RCs and all is 2c-b is up there. Cheap, safe, good.

Must be safe firstly.

LSD is good, but the trip is loooooooong.

How is 2c-e in terms of safety and price?

What about 4-ho-dmt or whatever?

What else is good, safe, cheap?

I did a ton of research before getting into 2c-b, and it is lazy, but I would appreciate it if people could tell me which 2-3 chems to look into next, for safety/affordability/fun levels.

Thanks


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[61 Points] None:

my favorite psychedelic is this super uncommon one, I believe it was called M-3th. awesome headspace. no body load like with 2cs. crazy auditory/visual distortions started to occur ~ 85 hours after dosing. it got a little intense for awhile, but thankfully my gf was there to calm me down. we just talked for awhile, and I felt so much closer with her as a result. ended up having AMAZING sex for a few hours after that, I was still tripping but it was wearing off. decided to go to 24/7 Walmart to grab some snacks, ended up perusing the power tools until an employee told me dogs weren't allowed. it was only then that I realized I don't have a gf, and had spent the whole night listening to Le Tigre on repeat with my neighbor's Labrador retriever. yet to see that labrador again. early one morning I was out organizing my dirt by grain size , and the neighbors happened to pass by. I asked how their labrador was doing. the wife told me they have never had a labrador, and suggested I get help. FINALLY, I thought, somebody else recognizes the importance of granular redistribution of top soil; everyone always just stands there watching me do it yet nobody ever offers to help. I told her to wait one minute, and ran inside to get my good shovel, in order to leave the best impression possible. when I got back outside, they were gone. starting to think perhaps it was just a large raccoon wearing a labrador suit. wouldn't be the first time.


[11 Points] kahrmine:

You'd have better luck posting this in /r/drugs

Many of the 4 Subsituted tryptamines are considered to have a great safety profile and to be a lot of fun so I'd say start with 4-Ho-DMT and give 4-Aco-DMT and 4-Ho-MET a shot too.

I have experience with 2C-B and from what I've read it is by far the favorite 2C-X. I've read things about people not enjoying 2C-E and 2C-I due to intense body load or HPPD but it'd be good if someone could chime in with their experience.

If you like LSD I'd suggest AL-LAD - very similar trips just with a shorter duration. I'd also recommend reading up on Erowid and maybe trying out some drugs included in Shulgin's Magical Half Dozen.

I have no idea where you live so you'd have to do the research on the vendors who sell those drugs. Grams is a good starting point.

Some people enjoy the 25x-NBOMe series but I wouldn't recommend it from a safety perspective.


[9 Points] GrandWizardsLair:

The Grand Wizard does not recommend the NBOMe series. As /u/kahrmine noted, there are safety issues: NBOMes are much more likely to cause vasoconstriction at comparatively low doses than LSD and ITGWRC there have been a few deaths related to NBOMe consumption. (Granted, some if it was extremely stupid consumption but still... ).

2c-e is considered by most to be more complex and "darker" than 2c-b. It's less of a party trip and more introspective: it's also likely to bring up difficult issues and lead you to a challenging time. The Grand Wizard (who has sold 2c-e in the past) advises extra care with set and setting while taking this one: put the trip off if you had a bad day at work or are otherwise in a less than ready headspace.

As the other 2c- s go the Grand Wizard also likes 2c-t-2. It's a complex and cerebral trip with excellent visuals: it also has no fatalities connected to it, unlike its cousins 2c-t-7 and 2c-t-21. 2c-t-2 is hard to find, though the Grand Wizard may be stocking it again in the future, but definitely worthwhile when you find it.

5-MeO-MIPT is a nice experience if you want to explore that glorious space between an entheogenic roll and a full-on psychedelic experience. It's more tactile and kinesthetic ITGWE than the 2c-s and a great one to try at parties, raves or whatever it is you kids do to party nowadays. (We have 5-MeO-MIPT in stock, and last we checked so does Fappy/Mike out of Canada and a couple of Chinese suppliers).


[4 Points] Ereeert:

DMT


[4 Points] DownDemBenzies:

Well ya should've, THIS IS A NO NBOME ZONE!!


[3 Points] WhereIsMyLSD:

For safety, I recommend to never snort RCs in powder form, especially 2Cs and NBOMe. GrandWizardsLair has some very cool RCs. I've seen them sell 2C-B, 5-MeO-MiPT, MAL, and probably a few more that I can't recall. Out of those, I've tried the MAL (methallylescaline, an analogue of mescaline) and it was very enjoyable. GWL's prices aren't the cheapest, but if you want good service, fast shipping and quality products, they're a very good option.

If you're not too sure what RC's you want to try, read Dr. Shulgin's books Tihkal and Pihkal. They both have an extensive list of psychedelics and entheogens that he synthesized and tried. It's a good place to learn about some of the many many RCs. Erowid and it's experience vaults are also great places to look.


[2 Points] chrissorrenson:

Mushrooms would be your next psych. 6 hour duration and proven safety.


[2 Points] concernedad420:

Lookin fo that little brown guy that makes bikes fly an shit. ET ayyyyy


[1 Points] None:

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[1 Points] diOpAnonMu:

Have you tried MDMA/MDA? If you keep your dosages sane, they're pretty safe. They're quite emotionally opening. I got a fair amount of visuals on MDA too.


[1 Points] griffindoodle:

2c-e is the strongest most visual 2c ive had. quite intense. ive had 4acomet and 4acodmt and i cannot say there was much of a difference between the two, its like super clean mushrooms. doc is a fun ride, albeit a very long ride longer than lsd. best cheap psych ive had are nbome compounds. i read that some people have concerns over safety but i disagree. ive taken upwards of 10mg of 25d, 25e, 25b, and 25i and have friends who have taken double that in a night. i dont recommend it, but i dont think its very dangerous overdose wise.


[1 Points] mamimah:

4-HO-DMT is Psilocin, so if you want 4-HO-DMT you'd want the liquid shroom extract from TrippingWithScience or actual shrooms. 4-AcO-DMT is lovely, but it lacks the depth of the trip shrooms brings. 4-HO-MiPT is a great trip from what I heard as with 4-HO-MET, unfortunately I haven't had a chance to try them.

2C-B is very nice. The lower doses (13mg - 18mg range) are quite lovely, more rolly than trippy. However the higher doses (24mg+) are psychedelic.

2C-E is similar to -B but has more depth from what I know of it. Also the bodyload is awful for some people with 2C's.

As others have said /r/drugs is a good place to go for a better answer. If you want to talk to a bunch of people about their experiences and such, Tripsit would be a good place to do so. Also checkout reports on Erowid as well as the vault over there for more information.


[1 Points] roundthrowaway:

Seeing as your willingness to learn is near shit I would mention going and eating shit. From there you will grow.


[1 Points] ToiletSniffer1992:

n n dmt -> vapourise -> communicate with aliens


[0 Points] None:

Get that 5-MeO-DMT


[-3 Points] procowtipper:

Haven't read the comments so I may be repeating this, but 25c is the fucking bomb. You can get them for lower than a quarter a piece. The best vendor, by far, is T5_NBOME. Visuals are absolutely insane, and the headspace is much more similar to LSD compared to 25I or the other letters in the series.