A Little Recall from the Mod Team on the rules and good manners in use in /r/DarkNetMarkets

Hi,

lately, with the increased affluence in the Sub, the Mod Team has a hard time to Moderate everything in the best way possible, so we would like to remind you some rules of the Sub and give some clarifications on the way everything is working here :

We have a tolerance for Vendors who join their email as a mean of emergency contact, or supplementary channel of communication and support for a Shop in a DNM, only in this case and the email should not be used for an offer or trade or it will be considered as breaking the rule.

Anyway, for the admins that would like to begin to advertise here and would like to be present in the Sidebar we ask that you contact the Mod Team through the moderator mail available.

We can help you to use this Sub in the right way and answer your questions before you begin to advertise and be present in the Sidebar.

We are taking a lot of time to make the Sidebar evolve, to keep it always up to date, to complete the Wiki, to increase the FAQ, and we really would like that this work done is properly used by Neophytes users of the Sub to avoid to loose time in unecessary explanations and discussions.

Please remember to look in the Sidebar, Wiki, FAQ before you post or comment in the Sub.

Don't forget to use also the functionnalities of search in the post history if you need information on a Vendor or on a Product.

You have also a feature at the top of the Sidebar to filter only Reviews or Advertisements.

We are supporting people that want to test the security of DNMs and publicly point security issues to help the community, and we allow publication of leaks, proofs of security flaws, and everyhting about these matters only if it respect some conditions.

Anonymity of users has to be protected, and they should not be put at risk because of incompetencies of a DNM.

The community is always a victim of these incompetencies and problems and we will not allow innocent people to have more problems of security, safety or anonymity in consequence of a security issue on a DNM.

To all hackers, pentesters, computer security enthousiasts that want to do this kind of activity here on Reddit we ask you to please respect scrupulously this rule and don't act in a way that could put average users at risk.

You can contact the mod team if you want advices on how to do these security announcements, point well the issues and respect the rules of the Sub.

Even if your experience in the DNMs world is limited it has a value and your point of view is interesting for others that might be in the same situation.

Participate, share your experience, comment posts, give your point of view, it it is the way that this community get stronger and make the DNM world better.

We have a lot of affluence lately in the Sub and the suscribers number is continuously growing along with the page views and number of posts.

The Mod Team is globally putting a lot of voluntary work (remember we are not paid for the Mod work) in the Modding of the Sub lately and we hope we are answering to the new challenges that appear with its increasing success.

Don't hesitate to message the Mod Team if you have objections, questions, problems, suggestions, concerns, or anything that we could answer to, we are always open to ideas and we try to answer to every message the best and the fastest way possible.


Comments


[5 Points] enterathrowaway:

First off, I give props to the mods here on /r/DNM, I can't even begin to imagine the backlog of bullshit you lot have to put up with on a daily basis.

Second, this opinion is coming a small-time, personal use DNM buyer with absolutely no clout. So take that for what it's worth.

Now for my main point:

I think Reddit is a terrible medium for discussion of darknet markets. Not because of the community of users itself (well, not entirely anyway), but because of the way Reddit itself is structed to work.

First off - account creation. Making an account on reddit takes as long as it takes you do type in a random user name and password. This makes it very easy to construct as big of a group of sock puppets/shills to manipulate voting for comments and posts as you need. Its so easy to make a shill account that I have no idea how the mods are able to keep pace playing the proverbial whack-a-mole against people that have an agenda here. I could understand if you were exposing a hugh security hole in a large market and wanted to create a fresh account out of fear of retribution. But, it makes it hard to separate the signals from the noise when there can be so. much. noise.

Then - up/down voting. This kind of ties in with my last gripe. The voting system on posts and comments makes it very easy for anyone with an agenda to either censor other users' contributions to discussion or to boost your own contributions. It's a pain in the ass to watch groupthink float to the top of discussions and a dissenting opinion be downvoted to where it can't even be seen. For instance during the incident with some exploits being found in drugslist (and I'll touch on his specific incident later), I couldn't even find some of drugslists comments or rebuttals without scrolling all the way down the page and expanding the comment. How am I supposed to even follow the dicussion/debate/arguement if I can only read one side of the story?

These two problems meld into one huge debacle of there sometimes just being so. much. bullshit. to wade through to in order to get to the heart of the discussion. When you've got 10 one-day old Reddit accounts spouting off 10 different stories of what's happening in the darknet in one topic, how am I supposed to follow that? The way reddit is structured just makes it so easy to spread FUD, de-rail legitimate discussions, and generally deceive people.

I've come to these opinions after watching what, 4...5? different darnetmarkets pop up in the last month and then subsequently burn to the ground. I just found the ENTIRE atmosphere to be toxic (with maybe the exception of Cantina, that was pretty funny). I'm going to use the drugslist incident specifically as an example because dl talked a good game in the beginning before the site went live and I guess it was actually refreshing to see a DNM site admin speak professionally with full sentences on Reddit. But after avid came out with the exploit to generate new accounts without a referral, I feel like this community collectively lost its mind on BOTH sides of the arguement. I couldn't even find DL's responses because they were immediately downvoted into being hidden. I'm really just into the darknets for myself so I don't care which side is right but I want to be able to actually witness both sides' arguement and the way Reddit works just doesn't allow for it most of the time. If this community wants to be taken seriously as a group of responsible individuals expressing free trade and freedom of speech, then nothing besides obvious spam or deceitful links such as phishing sites should be censored. I feel that that goes against what DNM users are all about. From my perspective it just looks petty and juvenille. If you're going to create a site hosting an illegal marketplace, then for fuck's sake act like an adult when someone comes to you with a legitmate flaw in your site, its you and your entire userbase's security on the line.

Honestly I wish we just had a forum, one like a simple machine style forum that most DNM use. That way a user can easily follow a flow of discussion (yes I know I can sort by "new" on reddit and read from top to bottom but I still have to deal with hidden, downvoted posts) and make up their own mind based on the evidence.

Also I wish there could be a better system for exposing exploits on emergening DNM. I fully support pentesters and hackers and I'm grateful for what they do, but I wish there could be some discretion when reporting hacks/bugs/exploits/whatever. If you find one, message the site admin FIRST, and if they snub you or are rude to you then you have full rights take your evidence to the mods here and present your case. If you have good evidence then I don't see any reason why the mods wouldn't then immediately allow it to be posted to the community. This keeps other markets from creating shill accounts expressing vague concern that a market is exploitable and telling that they'll "give evidence later".

All that being said, there is still plenty of merit to this subreddit and good discussions to be had. It can be a good resource for new and old users alike.


[6 Points] shitstormy:

This is a simple fix, most of the markets are days old and are getting hacked left and right, how about if the market stays open for a month without getting hacked or falling offline for long periods then they get added to the sidebar.


[3 Points] None:

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[1 Points] None:

When are you going to acknowledge Utopia's security problems? After I steal everything from their wallet?

They are completely ignoring my security warnings and deleting topics about it on their forums from their users. After calling me a cunt - at this point I don't have many other options.

It is not like this was difficult for me, they are running CakePHP. It is like running a darknetmarket on Wordpress.

If you don't want users here to have their money stolen - you should warn people in the sidebar before they pay 250 euros to have their money stolen.

Even if the site wasn't insecure, it is a scam. Many of the listings are spam, almost all the transactions are faked and they charge 1% to withdraw.