USPS Tracking says "Seized by Law Enforcement". What should you expect?

Friend sends large pack of mj from California to Texas. Overnight. Fake return address. My name. Status at 5pm is accepted then sometime left sort facility at 2am PST is saying it is "departing" from the third facility. Some time today around 1 or 2pm CST it went to "Seized by Law Enforcement". Came home. Cleaned house. No sign of trouble. What can I expect?


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[243 Points] asefjkijio:

Not sure what "large pack" means, but I presume you mean distribution weight. If so, there's a good chance you're seriously fucked. If you tracked the pack using your unshielded home/cell IP (even once) then you've already incriminated yourself and you're definitely fucked.

You need to get the best available drug lawyer in your city on retainer RIGHT THE FUCK NOW and explain the situation to him. Spend the $3k now so he can go into action now trying to prepare your defense and keep you out of jail, because you won't have much time or opportunity for clear thinking after the cops show up with the search warrant. If both he and you take advantage of this narrow window of time to prepare, you're much more likely to walk away from this unscathed. A lawyer can explain/excuse/deny/negotiate this thing away about 1000x better than you can.

If this was obvious personal weight that was seized (under a QP) and OP was careful not to electronically expose himself while he checked tracking, I wouldn't be telling him to hire a lawyer. But since I suspect we're talking about a pound or more with aggravating factors I'd say he has no choice but to lawyer up and brace for the worst. They have your name/address on the pack, they have the weight in the pack and they probably even have proof you tracked the pack and knew the shipper. The cops are coming, it's just a question of when. Stop posting here immediately and take immediate countermeasures!

Edit: To those saying I'm overreacting and OP doesn't need a lawyer, I'd argue that if he merely gets a knock & talk he should consider himself exceptionally lucky. The vast majority of the nationwide CDs are for pound+ packs of weed with bad stealth/OPSEC that literally fall into the cops' hands (the famous "low hanging fruit") just like OP. If he compounded his exposure by accessing the USPS.com tracking form from an insecure or personally identifiable device, he's in especially deep shit, and potentially so is his anonymous friend; with even a single IP record tied to OP they will be able to prove he knew about the pack and was in communication with the heretofore-unknown shipper. This presents the cops with evidence of both criminal conspiracy and criminal intent. They'd be stupid to ignore a chance to "trade up" and nab the seller, who's bigger and closer to the origin point of those pounds... all they need to do is "motivate" OP to cough up the dox.

"All we need is a name and a city. You won't be required to testify, and this whole mess will just go away. If you refuse, you'll go down for the full felony weight, plus obstruction of justice for refusing to name your co-conspirator & destruction of evidence for the little cleanup operation you did on your computer after we can prove you saw the seizure notice. You're looking at the better part of a decade, son. That friend of yours fucked you over and put you in this room! He won't care if you rot in prison. Why ruin your life for a little bit of weed when it's his fault you're here anyway? Just a name and a city and you can go home right now and forget this shit ever happened." You'd be amazed how many guys get scared and fall for that. THAT is why you hire a lawyer sooner rather than later.

Even if OP gets lucky and they decide not to pinch him now, their computers will never forget his name after this and he can expect (at a minimum) a DEA file and that address to be fully burned until he moves away.


[68 Points] None:

You may get a knock n talk.

Deny.

If they were going to do anything, it wouldnt show as seized.


[58 Points] RIP_Meth_9000:

You can expect to toss lots & lots of salad in prison.....Bahahahahaaa!!!!!

The SALADS Must Toss!!!!

9000


[47 Points] TranniesMakeMeCum:

It updated to seized by le That's means you're most likely facing nothing for this, they fucking told you they have it. Clean house, clean electronics, lay low, may be you get a visit maybe you don't. You're burnt


[23 Points] jjcooli0h:

What can I expect?

Well, seeing as how you're posting this on /r/dnm … you should expect 126 comments proffering advice along the lines of:

 

throw computer in the lake, set hair on fire, punch Chinese food delivery driver in the balls, marry transsexual hooker, burn iPad, Belize..

 

But this is your lucky day my friend, because I will provide you with the actual detailed guidence that you need to get thru this ordeal.

Ok listen carefully; follow these steps to the letter...

 

Remove any possible evidence of you placing an order.

Secure and dispose of all physical evidence associated with the ordering process.

Secure sufficient funding for extensive periods of unplanned fugitive lifestyle.

Clean House

 

Preemptive counter-intelligence maneuvering:

Here's where the magic happens.

After the bamboozled Drug War enforcement lackeys have left your residence, order some blow, take a hot bath, and phone up Hooters and reserve a booth.
Spend the evening in victorious celebration, drunkenly haranguing the waitresses and recounting dramatic renditions of the above exploits to unwitting passerby; thereby cementing your legacy as a criminal mastermind, in the unwritten annals of DNM history, residing in deep within the underbelly of the early 21st century's collective unconscious.

 

I wish you way more than luck~


[20 Points] Illusion_debunked:

Take a trip to Belize.


[18 Points] None:

I've had weed seized by law enforcement. Multiple lb pack. I'm not sure if the tracking ever said seized by law enforcement but I know for sure the cops got it.

Another instance I had where something was seized by law enforcement it was cash sent by mail. Nothing ever came from either one of these situations. I'll tell u this though, DO NOT get anything illegal sent in your name to your address ever again or at least for like a year. If they were gonna do a controlled delivery they sure the fuck gave u a heads up. But I'll never rule out what law enforcement my do or is capable of

I think the mistake here was overnighting the pack. But it was also probably bad stealth


[17 Points] desiringrabbit:

Tell me something I don't know. The strange part is that tracking continues show it was taken by authorities. Why would they do that?


[8 Points] NotYourAverageAlien:

Your friend is a cuck, fake return address and and express shipping on bulk? You can expect your goddamn door to be kicked in because of your 'friend'


[7 Points] desiringrabbit:

Thank you for all the advice. 3 days later and I haven't experience anything fishy from LE. Most certainly on an FBI watch list for the remainder of my life, but that's better than jail.... Will post a follow up if anything arises


[5 Points] basedtomato:

burn down belize, move to house


[3 Points] chuiy:

I don't know...

Did you buy it off the deep Web, or from a trusted friend? If the latter, you're legally fine. You can't be jailed for receiving a package they cannot prove you didn't pay for or agree to.

If the former, they may know who the seller is and is following their shipments. This is bad. Otherwise, LEO seized it, and their job is done. I wouldn't worry too much.

Lawyer certainly wouldn't kill you; but again, be aware that under the right circumstances that it sounds like you've described, it's almost impossible to be charged with something because of circumstantial evidence.


[3 Points] CuriousNoob989:

*Pay Attention!!* Had this happen before and this is what I did:

Most important during this procedure is to Play the Fool!, be completely ignorant, if you need help understanding, watch Hillary's hearing on the email server i.e. "wipe the server with a cloth".

Clean House - Can't stress this enough as I recently did a sweep for security sake and found a bag of shrooms I had forgotten about. Don't be an idiot and get yourself caught for something as simple as some shit you left somewhere and forgot about. - Sweep multiple times and make sure you didn't leave shit in any weird spots because they WILL find it by the pigs or the dogs! (Do not leave traces or DNM paraphernalia around like seeds, USB drives though having one or two is fine just don't have TAILS or encrypted shit loaded on it, etc.) Read up and recall how users were caught with all types of weird passwords and shit laying around, LEO are not stupid, they know what they are looking for!

Delete Footprint - Whoever sent this to you is not your friend, they are either dumb, lazy, or out to get you. If they are a vendor, report them to DNM admins, this will hopefully result in a loss of trust. - Log onto your market for one last time (from PUBLIC WIFI, but make sure you are not followed), shift everything to a new wallet and store it offsite. - Contact an Admin and have them burn your account immediately. Again, this is the time to delete your digital footprint. - Again, if this was a vendor, leave feedback and let the forums know whats up. This is someone getting people caught and not worth the markets time nor money. Inform an admin to the sale so they can take appropriate actions as well. - DBAN your PC - even if you used TAILS, DBAN it anyway so you don't slip up because they will confiscate it. pass it 15 times on the drive, then if you have a friend who does IT, ask them to reload the OS and hold onto it. If they are a good friend, get them to say they have had the PC for a while, preferably before the purchase. (this again creates doubt as someone that cant load an OS cant really be doing DNM stuff, or in that case shouldn't be. Again, Play the FOOL!)

  1. Awaiting Arrival
  2. If the are going to come, you can't stop them. Now is the time to go out, smoke a joint and try to relax because if/when it happens, you want a good story.

I.e. I received my CD and played the fool saying "Im not expecting anything important, who is this from?, Do not take the package. Just ask where it came from and say that you don't know anyone from that state so this is abnormal, what is it? I made a joke , "like look, if this is a bomb or junk mail you can have it", the mail man (a different one then my normal) said I needed to sign for it. I explained the above again and asked him to open it which he wouldn't because he stated it was illegal for him to do so. I then stated "Well than, you can keep it". At this point I shut the door and was met with another knock a few moments later by some undercover cops. They tried the whole "this is your mail, you need to sign for it" in which I pulled out my phone and began recording audio telling them that I am recording them because something seems suspicious here. Luckily there was no search warrant or they hadn't gotten it yet because the officer said they would return shortly and I should not leave, they kept a car parked outside my house. Now call the lawyer you've done research on!

  1. Legal
  2. The reason I would not retain a lawyer prior to this is because you are going to give yourself away, and most lawyers are scumbags. If you retain them ahead of time, they know you are guilty and will jack up the price. Not to mention, if they (LEO) are checking your accounts (depending on how big a fish you are) they will see a large cash payment going to a law firm or a withdraw for a large amount of money ahead of time, and though there is attorney client privilege, don't make it obvious that you are aware of what is happening. Again, Play the FOOL! Don't trust anyone and even double check yourself because you will find in these situations that your mind is your own worse enemy.

I contacted my lawyer at this time and told him what was going to happen, they will forward you immediately to them, if not, call another if they don't call back within the hour if you tell them a search warrant is incoming for your residence. Now here is where you will need to find your own story. When I was smoking, before the CD and after cleaning house I wanted to relax and feel less stressed so you can think. I thought of a good story that painted the cops in the negative light saying that an officer a few weeks ago passed by my car when I was in the 7-11 (a few weeks ago is key because of security camera footage). I was counting my money because I just got paid while blasting NWA "Fuck the Police". The cop asked me to turn it down and I turned it up and stated I am departing anyway and drove off, but not before I saw this guy getting my tag info. From there he followed me home but I was happy that he didn't pull me over and thought nothing of it. Cops are being found doing shittier things each day and social media/news is catching onto this.

In the end I lucked out because there was enough evidence with a corroborating story, not to mention the lawyer was easy on the price because I seemed very innocent (again PLAY THE FOOL). $1400 for him to show up in court, play the recording and state that the police had it out for me because I was young with no criminal record a nice car and they were out to get me. Though you will never know because their disciplinary records are kept secret in most states, a judge will know what cops are good/bad and if you cant identify one (give a basic description, white guy, buzz cut, mid 30's, you know the age at which they think they are cock diesel and above the law). The judge will be inclined to believe you especially considering the evidence put forth by your attorney. If you've done nothing wrong and they don't have shit on you but some bogus package then you are good. If it even goes to court. I'd suggest saying you were at a club or something and some guy was mad that you took the girl home he wanted, he mentioned he was a cop and then you embarrassed him by stating things that would hurt him such as "If that's your goto line, you must be a pretty shitty cop and person". Drag it out like he was eyeing you up all night and then followed you out to your car where you left with the girl he was desiring but proceeded to get your tag information and possibly follow you home. Create a situation that seems plausible and paints them in a negative light, it's what they are going o do to you.

(To those who say this seems to far fetched, notice they have no real evidence on you besides an IP address and possible ping to check the package. Very loose IMO unless you're OPSEC is that terrible.)

Bonus Points If they tell you what is in the package, deny it completely and go take a urine test at a local testing facility. They will not check you, you can get away with using someone else's piss and it does more to favor you in court. Not to mention makes the lawyer's job easier. Explain it to the lawyer ahead of time though and he will advise you if it will matter or not.

Final words: PLAY THE FOOL * Can't stress this enough, be dumb, though don't talk your way into their trap, record them and say you are calling "A" lawyer, you don't want to be "too prepared" for this as they are going to lie anyway so you don't want to give them a reason to think you are being dishonest which they will already believe. Be respectful, but not too much, acknowledge that something is weird and play your role. * Remember, Cops Can and Will lie to you, it is perfectly legal for them to do it, it's why they are corrupt as shit. However, check the recording situation in your state and just carry your mobile phone on you. * Consider your address burned for a while and watch yourself, if you got caught because you were impatient enough to check the package when you should have set up an anon email to send tracking alerts to, you should get out of this game.

(To those who say this story seems to far fetched, notice they have no real evidence on you besides an IP address and possible ping to check the package. Very loose IMO unless you're OPSEC is that terrible in which case, you deserve this sort-of) Learn.

Future Tips * Read the Bible and memorize it, it's the difference between money and jail. * Ask for help on the forums, use public wifi or just get hacked Comcast/Cox accounts for like $5, they are good with a lifetime from most vendors. and it means you wont have to travel to the same spots again, hell, you never really have to leave your neighborhood if you don't want to. * If you are curious about a package, ask the vendor to track it. If they won't/can't, deal with someone else and dispute if it doesn't arrive. Most of the time, the professional vendors will track them for their safety, not yours. * If you are given tracking info, which will be USPS, create a burner email account and log into it anonymously, that way it doesn't get pinged like you just did and you wouldn't be in this situation. FFS, Tails has Thunderbird, learn how to use it.


[1 Points] None:

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[2 Points] DNMTiger:

friend had non dnm same type of pack and he cleaned house and never heard anything, it took his like 2 weeks to update to seized by law enforcement though


[2 Points] Y10NRDY:

Lawyer up.


[1 Points] stankyschub:

Delete Facebook and start working out brahbrah. Start thinking about lawyering up if you continue your dark ways


[1 Points] DefacedReality:

Microwave everything! if you have a passport leave the country have sex change operation, seek asylum at an embassy ???? profit


[1 Points] throwd0wn2224:

Prepare your anus for entry


[1 Points] rantcaseydnm:

a love letter typically.


[1 Points] EZPeeVee:

If they were coming for you, they wouldn't have told you they seized your weed. They'll send you letters and such, but by seizing your weed, they've ensured you won't have it in your possesion, which is the only only way they'd succesfully prosecute. You can't help what people send through the mail and they only really know what you tell them. Clean house, don't be dumb twice.


[1 Points] WakedUpBakedUp:

Burn it all, Belize, now.


[1 Points] todd_wynn:

MAN you GUYS KILL MEEEEEEEEEE....... you can take a TORX bit open up the HD in light expose the disks to light and the hard drive is TOAST no matter what its like pulling a roll of film out in day light OR FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DONT KNOW your home has 2 power lines coming into your fuse box each consist of 120Volts regular wall outlet with 2 prong draws 120Volts (it does not mean what ever is plugged in is drawing 120 volts, and you have the duplex outlets that consist of 2 120volt inputs commonly refereed to as a 220 volt but its really 240 volts) YOUR computer that the hard drive was in runs off of a power supply that DRAWS 120 volts but inverts it to 12 volts LIKE A CAR BATTERY your computer runs off of 12 volts and how ever many watts your power supply can handle generally 300-750 depending on the invert-er and amount of 12 VOLT watts your computer uses for example if your using 3 screens and 3 graphics cards your power supply will need to be of a higher WATTAGE (still at 12V always) to supply all watts needed by the processors on the graphics card so YOU REALLY WANA KNOW THE ANSWER! dissconnect your cars battery OH WOW your car battery is 12 volts just like the inverter in your computers power supply so buy prongs and wire clamp the prongs to the + and - of the car battery THAN using the opposite end of the wire touch the hard drive with both the + and - wires coming off the battery this causes the entire hard drive to SHORT OUT and it (shocks) the magnetic disks in the hard drive without showing its been tampered with AND YOU BEST BELIEVE THEY ARE GOING TO OPEN THE DRIVE TO SEE IF THE TAMPER PROOF PARTS ARE STILL IN PLACE OR IF THERE RIPPED THEY WILL KNOW IT HAS BEEN OPENED. ...I have tested shorting it out personally than i sent it out and paid a nice ass chunk of change to a company that can get your data off of a "dead HD or a HD that stopped running the company contacted us back and said they never see a problem like ours "all disks are intact and the hard drive has never been opened up the tamper seals had shown no evidence of prior tampering but our techs here at ..xxxxxx.. have tried and gone through our normal method's we would use to extract the data but could not get any information, We proceeded to remove the disks and install them into a similar HD casing and re-assembled the drive in the new shell once plugged in the hard drive was not recognized by any of our systems, I believe the master boot file of the hard drive somehow erased itself we are unable to verify if that is the case due to the new case not even rotating the disk when powered" LONG STORY SHORT no matter what as long as the MBF mast boot file is destroyed or corrupt there is no way for anyone to pull info "the HD doesnt even know its a HD so when powered it doesn't do shit bc there is no MBF that runs as soon as the HD receives power, when you turn you comp on the HD has a dedicated sector or partition w.e you wana call it that is read by the motherboard if that SECTOR is missing (due to shorting the hard drive) IT CANT BE REPROGRAMMED it is now a PAPER WEIGHT!! IT is kind of like BRICKING a phone by trying to install firmware with the wrong "boot volume or boot kernel" it is toast it CAN NEVER be recognized by any computer in this world...EDIT master boot file aka MBF is also refereed to as the "MBR" mast boot record"


[1 Points] TechDeathHead:

Also adding that this wouldn't be handled by Local LEO. Usps is a federal govt entity and anything like this would be handled by the USPIS (federal). They probably won't do anything for a one time not clear and cut case, but who knows. I've seen an entire hamper of parcels marked "DRUGS, HOLD FOR INSPECTION SERVICE" sitting for months at a time at processing plants if that says anything >.>..


[0 Points] lilb47:

If they were going to bust you they would have had it delivered then raid the house afterwards. You're going to be OK. If it was just weed def don't worry.


[0 Points] None:

Overnight a big package, with shit OPSEC if any, prob not even vac seals or mylar.. Don't tell a lawer anything also. You don't need a lawyer yet, running to get a fucking drug lawyer especially in your town screams guilt.. Not to mention confessing crimes to a dirty fucking lawyer? The guy giving you all this advice doesn't have a fucking clue what he is talking about my man.

There is a case in my city right now where the defendant is about to blow trial because his first lawyer is testifying against him because he told him so much shit lol.

You are fine. Calm down, CLEAN your address. Every. Last. Thing. Do not leave a fucking roach around. NOTHING drug related. PERIOD! Hide your PC also, lock it, encrypt it something. If they just happen to see all this DNM reddit shit, it's not going to help. Let them come, take a look around, and DENY everything.

Grab your fucking balls my man and use them, tell that pig off. DENY DENY DENY. You don't have a clue what he is talking about, you have no packages you barely even get mail. Don't say anything about drugs unless they do first. DO NOT accept any package from them, or from anybody for that matter if the tracking says this. DENY DENY DENY.

No matter what, if they put you in handcuffs and say you're going "downtown" DO NOT BREAK, FLEX YOUR BALLS, and stay ADAMANT you have no clue what is going on. They are trying to SCARE You, some of your right may even be violated although they may have the right to detain you, they are going to make it seem crazy and intense like you're fucked or so guilty, to scare you into admission, BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOTHING on you basically.

I could look up a random address right now and send a half LB of meth loosely packed with a half oz of stinky ass weed to intentionally be caught and bring a shit storm on someone. DENY DENY DENY, all the way to the station. And then start to claim you are being harrassed and this is crazy and you need a lawyer..

1 pack isn't shit dude they don't have a clue I'm telling you. YOur friends a idiot, sent a improper sealed pack OVERNIGHT and it was found out. The only thing they know is they have a pack of shit that was obvious as fuck. Don't give them anymore.

its up to you


[0 Points] droid66:

Better call Saul...............................


[-6 Points] imstillhigh1:

This is why you shouldn't use your actual name.