Lab tests data for multiple LSD vendors by published by TLT13

TLT13 who has shared MDMA test data in the past, shared a few LSD results on the agora forum. He gets them tested at a dutch test-center. It's free but they don't give out written reports (afaik).

tl;dr: Dalai Lama (KittenHuffer, anon); adv.: 220 ug, lab:: 79 ug; Orange Sunshine (KittenHuffer, vendor sup.): adv.: 300 ug, lab: 229ug; Sphongle (KittenHuffer, vendor sup.): adv.: 100 ug, lab: 68 ug; ? (Blue Viking): adv.: 200 ug, lab: 95 ug; Elephant (Markovich): adv.: 125 ug, lab: 72 ug; ? (HollandOnline): adv.: 150 ug, lab: 60 ug

Very consistent with the results other lab testing efforts have come up with.

So an update on the whole LSD situation. I decided to start testing LSD because I had a feeling most LSD was underdosed. I have experienced (tested) 200ug LSD and the tabs sold on the DNM that are supposedly 200ug don't even come close to my previous experiences. Every LSD experience is different, due to set and setting, but I was suspicious. So I started ordering LSD from a few vendors, and different tabs from the same vendor.

I started with KittenHuffer. I will disclose right now that I have been in contact with KittenHuffer during this whole process. I ordered tabs anonymously from him first. They were the 220ug Dalai Lama's. The lab confirmed the tabs contained LSD, but only 79ug, not 220ug. That works out to almost 1/3 of the advertised dose. When I confronted KH with these results he noted that they seemed a bit weaker to him, but not that much and he chalked it up tolerance. He apologized and said there can't be too much done about it, since this is what he gets from his supplier and he doesn't have any way of testing the stuff himself besides taking it. He was insistent on making things right though and also curious himself as to testing more product. He sent me some Orange Sunshines for testing (sold as 300ug) and said they were definitely over 200. The lab confirmed it was LSD, but only 229ug. I have to say the experience was also on par with what I've experienced as 200ug LSD. He also wanted the Sphongle tabs tested. They were sold as 100ug and came back as 68ug.

Now before you all start shitting all over KH, let me say it's not really his fault. I tested more and found almost no vendor who tested with the dose that was advertised. I decided to go with BV, because he's one of the biggest and most famous vendors. Before I got the lab results, I read another report on reddit that said the 200 tabs were tested by Energy Control in Spain and came back as 91ug. Mine came back as 95ug, so same thing basically. I tested Markovich's Elephant blotters and they came back as 72ug, even though they are sold as 125ug. I bought some of HollandOnline's 150ug tabs and they were also underdosed, at 60ug.

Basically, as far as I'm concerned, the entire acid scene is full of shit. I don't know if it's just that nobody knows what a certain dose really feels like or if everyone is bullshitting everyone. I've read reports that the average actual LSD tab has a dose of around 20-50ug. If that's true, then I guess I'm not surprised by these results. The DNM still has higher tabs, but there also the content of the blotter is anywhere from 30% to 70% of the advertised dose. Definitely not a 5% error margin due to laying and location on the sheet.

Right now I'm completely out of funds to test anything, but still curious what WoW tabs work out to be. I have not tested people selling any, such as Tessellated or GammaGoblin.

In the end, I don't think any vendors are at fault really. At some point in the production/sales chain people start overadvertising doses. It all depends on if the vendor is also a producer. People like HO, KH, etc. all just buy their tabs from a supplier who produces them (notice how often different vendors have the same tabs) and I think they're all told dose x, which is probably 30% or in the worst case, 50% of what it actually is.

I hope someone out there will test WoW, because I'm very interested in the dose from vendors who are also producers. In my dreams, we'll see a shift from the standard art blotters to vendors who are producers, as I have a feeling the dose will be more accurate there.

Thanks for reading and stay safe! If you have any thoughts or comments, please leave them, I'm always interested in reading them :)

TLT13

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Comments


[40 Points] MrHyde42069:

I'll send in some HoS 100ug Berks


[30 Points] thatkidjoe2:

Top_gear_uk tabs need to be tested. And what about Houseofspirit?


[22 Points] Throughawayup:

Well there goes my personal dosage scale.

Fuck the l scene though. Like I just don't understand how there is absolutely 0 honesty amongst producers. Their product is already worth a shit ton. What's another 30 micrograms per dose gonna cost?


[17 Points] GraphingPaper919:

Someone needs to do GammaGoblin


[14 Points] throwing_silk:

ITT: Lots of disappointed psychonaut heroes who thought they were tripping on 400ug.

Protip: the amount didn't matter to you when tripping balls so don't stress about it now.


[12 Points] ShulginsCat:

At least this gives an impression that doses are consistent from the same vendor. I would be more concerned if it was all over the place, meaning either the tests are shit or the product is unreliable which makes every trip a roll of the dice.


[9 Points] None:

If vendors are confronted with this information and don't change their listing accordingly I view them as scammers.


[10 Points] TLT13:

Hello!

Thanks for all the interest. Didn't expect so many readers when I posted on DNMAvengers.

To clarify, all tests besides the ones supplied by KH are anonymous. None of them were vendor agreed.

They are all tested by Dutch labs. They always give me the following information: the kind of drugs in the powder/on the blotter and how much there is. I have not had them report things like iso-LSD and I don't think that they do. So it unfortunately says little about the quality of the crystal.

Thanks again for reading! Hope you all find these results useful.

Edit: I next will be testing WoW by GammaGoblin and Tessellated. I'm interested how accurate the advertising is when vendors also are producers. It'll take a while though.


[5 Points] buttdude85:

I would so be ok with a vendor stepping up and selling the actual dose. 50ug, 75, 100. Those are legit doses.


[4 Points] Trance_Forming:

This is a comment reply I typed out to a fellow in this thread that was talking about the lack of honesty in the LSD scene.

There's a tl;dr at the bottom.

My personal feeling is that, like the other person that replied to you said, a lot of the crystal is impute to begin with. And also that lies are told at every step of the drug trade most of the time. Sometimes on purpose, but I'd say even more often, just because of ignorance. Another guy that commented used the word 'scam,' but I think the ignorance thing makes it less of a scam and more of a misinformed mix up. But I think above all of that, it's become very clear that in more than 90% of cases, actual doses are usually close to 60-70% of the advertised dose.

With, say, MDMA, this isn't an issue. Cuz anybody with a $20 mg scale can tell you the weight of their shit. But nobody can tell you the dose of LSD without access to GC/MS equipment. Even the people laying the blotter are unreliable because they very likely don't know the exact purity of their crystal.

So somebody that has taken LSD a hundred times, even from very reputable darknet vendors, will likely associate 60-70ug with 100ug. So these people that are far more experienced with LSD than most drug users are, don't even know what 100ug feels like. And if they end up with tabs that are actually 100ug, they would be likely to state, as fact (note this because after tripping 100 times on darknet acid that person would be seen as a reliable subjective resource on the drug), that the tabs were heavily over-dosed. So we've got all of the people walking around that are about as experienced with LSD as you can get, and even they have a very solid (however incorrect) perception of the effects of a certain dosage.

Things are defined by popular opinion, whether people like it or not. --The word "literally" has a definition on several large dictionaries now that basically says "figuratively." -- So now popular opinion is that what is actually 60-70ug of LSD is defined as 100u. Few people know any better, and honestly the only real way for anybody to know for sure is to have your tabs GC/MS tested. So based on all of the above, "100ug of LSD" is defined now as 60-70ug.

I personally am probably a victim of this. My idea of 100ug is probably completely off, so say I started selling LSD. I'd get what I was positive was 100ug and I would sell it as such. But likely my tabs would be under-dosed. This action wouldn't be with malicious intent, but rather because as somewhat of a seasoned vet who also occasionally uses darknet markets, I have a lot of reason to believe in my judgement. But its hard to tell yourself that with so much experience your judgement may be far from correct.

This information is unfair to folks, like HoS, that lay their own blotter and have been verified as selling doses as advertised. Because their '100ug' tabs are actually 100ug. And the other vendors are very likely not trying to rip people off. They probably, in fact, before their LSD is tested, regard themselves highly for selling "as advertised" doses, because they are also part of the group that is misinformed. So intention is the same for the vendors selling accurate tabs and the ones selling under-dosed tabs, but one group is actually selling you more LSD.

tl;dr: So in conclusion I'd say not to blame vendors that sell underdosed tabs (at least until their stuff gets lab tested. After that its a vendor's responsibility to advertise their dosages correctly) and to continue the work of testing all of these vendors, so people can start to get a more accurate idea of what certain dosages feel like, And to both weed out vendors that are intentionally fucking you, and to give good reputation to those honest vendors that lay their own shit and are legitimately concerned with giving you the correct dosage.


[6 Points] sykadelik:

I will take gammagoblin's WoW to a Dutch lab next week, results take 1-3 weeks to come back apparently.

They also say only 1 lab test at a time is possible, so after that I would like to test FMATTHEWS 160ug ganeshas.


[4 Points] Idonu:

Someone needs to test BVs lower dosed products. Would be interesting to see how it compares with his 200ug blotters.


[5 Points] KittenHuffer13:

Hey psychedelicheads, I have to say I am not that surprised with the results, after starting out with LSD and getting to know the 'world' behind it a little I was myself disappointed to find that LSD tabs are weaker than advertised and even so badly sometimes that you could not call it anything else but scamming people (EnterTheMatrix comes to mind) Now when I started selling this medicine a couple of years ago I was at least glad that I got it from a reputable source (supplied from FartBomber, LSD Avengers star vendor since the early Silk Road days) his acid was and is pretty much all the time just great stuff, in my opinion and many others. If you ask me I would like it to be different; that vendors advertise their stuff at the true strength. Unfortunately this is not how it is or will be on the short term, maybe with time it will change, then again it is also not a perfect world we live in. I am not going to start a lonely fight about it and start complaining to my supplier (though he knows my opinion) that the producers should pick up their game. Instead I accept it when tabs appear to be minus 25-33% of the promised strength. This is pretty much as good as it gets in the LSD world I guess. When I notice that the tabs seem quite under dosed like seemed to be the case with the Dalai Lamas I don't want to sell them anymore really but still there have been few complaints about these tabs even though. The LSD on those tabs is very clean (described as eggshell white) which could explain the good experiences of people with these tabs... Anyway I'll provide some more tabs to be tested, thinking of the dragons I have for sale, they are awesome...one of the best tabs I had myself I would say., advertised at 125 ug and imo perfectly dosed. They are supposed to be the same as the elephants so a lab test would have to show if they contain the same ug but I am sure when having one of these you won't give a shit ;)

About the legendary Orange Sunshine tabs: they were lab tested containing 260 ug as well...this must be because these tabs differ in size a little when you look at the sheets.


[3 Points] throwaway19945678910:

shiit, i ordered x3 elephants and got them last week from Markovich. haven't tested them but will use them at a festival this weekend. should i take two or what? 72x2=144ug seems like a good trip


[2 Points] None:

Nobody ever speak about simply-L ? I bought some 150ug and I had a great trip and my friends told me they were definitely good blotters


[2 Points] None:

It would be interesting if people started getting other types of drugs tested


[2 Points] None:

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[1 Points] KamajiTheBoiler:

Can you get him to post the EC results? As in, have him supply the GC/MS and the LC/MS reports in addition to the results? On their own, these are just numbers and I can't trust them.

If we get the GC/MS and the LC/MS results though, I can add them to the vendor ratings.


[2 Points] None:

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[1 Points] SecondChanceUsername:

Wow Blue Viking, Im kinda shocked. After reading these results i think my tolerance is a lot lower than i had thought. Before i thought i could handle approx 200ug max. But after seeing everything is 2/3's what is advertised, IDK...


[1 Points] TripAddict:

anyone test Cali_Connections tabs? I haven't gotten any lately since Evo died but i'm working on getting them tested.


[1 Points] satoshishmurda:

Does he have an E-MAIL?


[1 Points] MintySyrup:

Just pay for low dosed tabs, save money.


[1 Points] FlimFlamZombie:

Very interesting thread here. Thanks to all for doing the leg work and chiming in. I agree that apart from the question of “is this product really what is advertised and not some other chem?” this issue of dosage being accurate is pervasive in an unregulated black market. Most vendors take their suppliers word and/or do a test trip themselves to confirm the dosage. If actual dosages are lower than advertised, then even these real-life tests will only reinforce the mislabeling.

Imagine a vendor (and there may actually be a few) who either source or produce their own LSD AND do lab tests to confirm dosage, how practical is it for them to sell a product at a 30% + loss knowing that dozens of other vendors are not doing this? I’d love to see a vendor who states this has been lab tested as 100ug and that’s why it’s a little more expensive—most other vendors are not selling you this correct dosage.

In the end, as has been stated, so long as the buyer knows what they need to buy to reach a certain experience, then the current method works. I for one agree that having accurate advertising and 3rd party verification would make things safer and level the playing field.


[1 Points] throwahooawayfoe:

Would love to see a test for Peaceful's LSD, his stuff seems very legit but just to double check


[1 Points] DNMd:

I'd be down to buy some of those 230ug Orange sunshines though, damn.

Thanks for sharing


[1 Points] acid_rooster:

Where is the proof? Any data sheet or email proof?


[1 Points] SecondChanceUsername:

It concerns me that theres not a single vendor that has accurately listed items in terms of purity/amount. 50 years ago, 250ug hits were the norm, and they were pure. Am i wrong? WTF happened?


[1 Points] acid_barrett:

I've been suspicious of the whole DNM scene from the get-go.

I'm skeptical and cynical by nature. But fucking love LSD... when i heard about all the raving and drooling and excitement i had to check it out. I was impressed with vendor SunWu but eeeeeevery other vendor let me down. SunWu advertised 150 and i wouldnt be surprised at all if i it was 120-150. It hit like a ton of bricks. Best 1-tab trips i ever had were with SunWu's blotter... he should send me free stuff. I've supported him for almost a year but he's all retired now, i think

pimpit's WoW was a joke... advertised 250ug and one tab was a sub-perceptual dose. I told him. He reshipped 50% of my order... same shit.

Tessellated's WoW was advertised as 200ug and again was sub-perceptual.

I tested both with NIK-D and there was defenitely product on the blotter.... but way fucking less than 200-250... My experience tells me 50-80ug

cheers


[1 Points] None:

I haven't had any tested personally, but NelsonMuntz is probably the most honest l vendor out there. One of his 190 ug tabs was way more powerful then 3 of gammagoblin's 110 ug tabs. He claims to have his product tested to verify the dosage. Either way, it's top notch stuff.


[1 Points] heymoon999:

Hi, sorry to revive old thread, looking for some clean lsd from agora, what's the best value for money out of those tested? Looking for something that is actually around 100-150ug, ten tabs, am I best going for 200ug tabs or are there any seller that are accurate? I've read through this twice and am a bit confused


[-4 Points] inoathingor2:

The problem I have with this info is that currently the test center (Jelinek) only tests for quality, not quantity because the process was too complicated and expensive. I will ask around if they are testing for quantity again.

Edit: I didn't realize these results are from the EC test center. I have my doubts about their testing method since every single tab is under dosed which contradicts with my own experience (tests done by Jellinek on several different blotters).


[-5 Points] noonehear:

Perhaps Energy Controls equipment is malfunctioning?


[-11 Points] None:

so what i'm hearing is 'boohoo the number of ug per tab is not the one indicated on the product profile'

yet i don't hear many complaints about people having bad experiences with the tabs they bought.

so what's the issue again? dose is too low for you? just take more if you think it's weaker than advertised. your guess.