Outlaw market supports dead drops now?

Got a notification from outlaw market they've updated the system.

They support partial FE and dead drops now.

The dead drops option really concerns me as for opsec. This seems totally unsafe. Can anyone explain how this could work in a safe manner?


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[8 Points] poopCO:

It's safer than dropping it off in the mail, because there are only so many mailboxes so the police can narrow it down and sit outside every mail box and wait for somebody suspicious to come up. With the dead drops the vendor would find a spot maybe while going hiking and find a place to hide a package, most likely bulkier that wouldn't fit into a mailbox. They'd then use a gps to get coordinates and send that info encrypted to the buyer. The buyer then would go and get the package. The only thing not safe would be if the vendor used the same dead drop over and over, and it would be hard to prove if the vendor ever even dropped it in the first place so escrow would be hard to enforce.


[8 Points] JohntheJunker:

Dead drops are a great idea to cut out the postal service and expedite delivery times. In theory it's completely safe for the seller. In order for the buyer to be safe then the seller has to be completely trusted and your communications need to be 100% secure. Even with a trusted seller they can always get busted and have drops compromised or set up by LE.

But that doesn't really change anything from the current standard operating procedure. Already if LE wants to set up a seller account and ship shit to set up CDs they can. Or if LE comprises an account and sets up CDs. It's all the same except when things actually go right you get your product faster and if you're caught you aren't dealing with federal mail charges on top of it. AND you have some plausible deniability if they just catch you picking up some object in a public place that could be anything.

I'm personally all for dead drops and think that if the feds ever manage to put a sizable dent in the mail trade then dead drops are the inevitable future.


[8 Points] FrozenMCVegetableCok:

It's not the dead drop that's usually the problem. It's the vendor accountability/authenticity issue that seems to main downside.

The other downside is how ridiculous people tend to act when they're sketched out and up to no good. Might make for a funny episode of cops where some bartard high school kid goes to the drop dressed in a trench coat and dark glasses and a fake moustache like they're in a cold war spy novel.


[6 Points] xSwrvs:

Dead drops are dope I just feel like it would be hard and unsafe to find a vendor near you or willing to meet you halfway and such. Like who wants to drive an hour and a half to get a package


[3 Points] sillysally11:

I love the idea. I fucking hate waiting for my dope. I'm probably the most impatient person that ever lived, I want my shit right away. I'm also just used to that, having bought all of my drugs in person for over a decade before using DNMs. I'm still not used to the whole process, it always leaves me feeling uneasy.


[2 Points] FeenixArisen:

It's a great idea that will sadly be bogged down with real world 'red tape'. It is very safe for the vendor but puts a lot of risk on the buyer, including of course losing the package for whatever reason.

The next inevitable step is middle men delivery services...


[2 Points] D-U-WHY:

Don't alot of the Russian markets use dead drops? Do they have many problems?


[2 Points] Vendor_BBMC:

The market doesn't support dead drops, the vendors do. markets have no more to do with them than they have with your postal address.

I do them occasionally, but they aren't postal addresses. they are drugs taped under a seat in a bus stop, or under the toilet brush holder in a pub toilet. On a railway station platform velcro'd behind the pole of the platform number sign.

Its approaching the party season with no postal service. I'm bound to get a drop request.

In the US, its inevitable that "drug stashers" will emerge - probably DNM-aware students paying their way through college. here's how you would do it:-

You buy a load of drugs on the darknet. Lets say you live in chicago. monday to wednesday, you stash one day's -worth of drugs in hiding places all over Chicago, but concentrating on transport hubs and the city center.

On Friday night, a republican senator's young mistress wants to do drugs with him. He logs onto Nucleus, finds "chicagodrugstasher" and pays for 2g of cocaine, with bitcoin, at an extortionate markup.

You contact him, give him directions where to pick up the coke - taped inside the stall of the rest room of a travel diner. he FE's, naturally.

Sorted.

The senator is instrumental in forming drug policy, no way could he give his name and address. That's OK, because no details or PGP are required, and he got his cocaine 2 hours after paying for it.

Later that night, a Chicago couple order some K after getting home from a nightclub. 45 minutes later, a T-shirt fired from one of those guns which killed Maude Flanders hits the window and a car drives off into the night.

Are you getting the idea? Good. In a big country with slow post there is money to be made. Why aren't you doing it already?

Encrypted phone apps wghich can send photographs are very useful. The senator can contact you anytime he wants to order. Its safe for you, and its safe for him.


[1 Points] fj3000411:

Vendors would anounce their city, drop packs for close buyers and give directions. Not a big deal since any cop can order from a vendor and get his city. This is ideal actually for bulk purchases, no middlemen, all off the record, however you have to trust that your vendor isnt flipped otherwise you lose all plausible deniability.


[1 Points] OutlawAdmin:

I would like to make a few things clear:


[-4 Points] None:

That's a great idea for people that have had long and good (kinda like my cock) business relationships. I seriously doubt anyone would do it with someone they've never done business with before.