Vendors - how did you learn how to vend?

Obviously being a dealer is not the hardest thing to figure out. However, I'm just curious how vendors out there learned everything as far as stealth, shipping, and most importantly security.

It's taboo to discuss shipping methods so how do you know how to be safe when it comes to shipping and all that?

Thanks!


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[10 Points] VendThrow23939:

I used to be a Darknet vendor way before TOR and SR where around. Grew up into the carding community and spend a good decade making money in there. Usually selling carded game cards or accounts but also carded electronics to drops every week. What I learned there in terms of security and dealing with customers pretty much are the fundamentals of how I work as a vendor today.

When carding became harder and the risk involved was increased to the point where I stopped feeling comfortable about going on I tried to find some other ways to make money. I found some clearnet carding site which allowed the sale of drugs and I was in. I sold weed and hash for a year before I first learned about TOR and SR. Back then I didn't even have a vac machine when I started. Just would wrap it in plastic and go around it a gazillion times with ducttape. Surprisingly none of my packages ever where lost, but through my customers complaints and seeing how other vendors did it I learned how to maximize stealth pretty fast.

Then a lot of people on that forum got busted, every month there was a bigger bust and when you still where around after that bust you became bigger and bigger yourself, which was the scary part. Once again the risk involved became to big and I stopped vending.

Then a year later I found out Silkroad was still going strong so I became a vendor and learned even more there. I was already at the top of the learning curve at that point but you keep learning new stuff with every few dozen orders you send out. Now everything really just comes as second nature. It also helps that I worked in a marketing related field for a long time, so getting my name out, knowing how to market both myself and my product did give me an edge over the vendors that started around the same time as I did.


[10 Points] UKediblez:

Read through the grugq's and any other opsec guides I could, as well as reading as many news articles I could about busted vendors and people ordering. Then made a few test purchases off vendors who were renowned for good stealth to steal their ideas.

After this is was:

-Research markets and sign up at TMP cause my BTC should be safe there.

-Cook.

-Buy packaging materials/gloves/stamps etc.

-Offer extra cheap samples.

-Scout out a load of postboxes without cameras aimed at them.

-Vend away.


[6 Points] None:

I was a pretty big LSD vendor about 5-7 years ago. This was before .onions.

Started on a site called research-chemicals.org. We mostly just swapped vendor names on here. After awhile there was a power struggle and I started a few sites (supplier.info, FTWR. FTGB, etc - we had to switch domains every few months due to clearnet and scammers like rater coming in)

Vending LSD was pretty easy. I rarely touched product. At the start I would get payment in WU/MG and forward it on to one of my chemists employees (either in BE, NL, or America) and he would send out sheets of LSD to my customers. IIIRC he would charge me $200-300 a sheet and I would charge $400-500. So I was making $1000sh a week for passing on money. After awhile the market matured. We started enforcing GPG and Tor on my forums. We started using egold, then liberty reserve. With this excurrency I didn't have to deal with WU/MG, fake IDs, etc anymore. I would log into my account and move the money. I would cash out my ecurrency by getting the chemist to send me my profits in LSD and then pass it on via IRL networks (had a pal that was a coke dealer, another who sold weed, and another who sold ecstasy locally so I just passed it in bulk onto them)

The market continued to mature. The co-founder of my site started the first darknet. Can't remember what it was called as I had gotten a good job by this point and was slowly retracting myself from the scene. After awhile we shut down our the public darknet and decided to 'back' silkroad as the founder seemed legit and he had managed to get his site plastered over the news so it had tons of activity. Our private darknet remained where a lot of the vendors from SR remained and done big deals (1-10kg) or shared sources for hard-to-obtain RCs

As for vending, the rule is trust noone

If you have a particular area your interested in (cashing in, remaining anonymous, shipping) I'll be happy to elaborate.


[2 Points] efafaaf:

I wanna know how the fuck you mail things anonymously. Like stamps look retarded, and you need a credit card to fund online shit. And going in person to drop off a million packages would be moronic.

So someone please, fill me in


[1 Points] None:

Being a real life dealer isn't 100% easy either, if you're a good one. You have to arrange safe meets at safe locations 10+ times a day.

IMHO being a real life dealer should be almost has hard as a vendor on a darknetmarket


[1 Points] Jjpalms:

Here's the thing. The people who are looking to spot packages know exactly what too look for. I've been doing this a long time. Irl and online and the way you stay safe is going against the grain.

The big problem with pretending to be a business is that businesses have franked mail. Even the smallest. You can't get that... so forget about being a supplement company. Or a eBay top rated seller. For domestic pack it ship it and forget about it. Mail at the post office.don't sweat like a rapist and you're fine. International. Just aim for even if it's opened, it I won't be found. Or don't do international. I used to ship all Mine hand written . Like normal post. International: a birthday card, a toy, a plug adapter whatever you feel that day. Change it up. Post from all over.

Irl. Man if you are worried about getting jumped by a customer, you are in the wrong game. Either that or you have awful judgement.

Meeting you in public is stupid to me. You are likely on camera to and from if not at your spot. Plus, You may well be cool as James Dean, but they probably will be a nervous clumsy idiot. There is no opportunity to check goods/cash and you leave yourself open to complaints and shit. You miss the opportunity to get Intel etc. Dealers are not exactly each other's friends, but believe the ravers are. There'll know who's locked up, who's got the top stuff, who got stuck up, and usually who did it

I always, without exception, went to their house. Chilled for 20 minutes or whatever. Count the money, they weigh the goods.. bit of chit chat. Everyone's fonzi. If they are a bit prangy you bring an Xbox game box or whatever, take or back next time.


[-4 Points] ObamaIzHitla:

I was built this way; now whats it gonna be? Coke? Diet Coke? Fanta? Make a fucking decision.