I think I just had an amazing OPSEC idea (for buyers).

Okay so we all (should) know about plausible deniability and the whole act-as-if thing, but that just covers the core legal part of our endeavor -I mean, LE will know you knowingly ordered those drugs, they just won't be able to prove it.

So to further obfuscate things, consider this: a cute hippie website where people sign up and submit their address for other members to send them anything they want, like little gifts or souvenirs from their place and shit.

So you sign up, you submit your address and it's out there for anyone to send you stuff and other people's addresses are of course available to you if you wanna reciprocate.

So if and when LE asks you "who would have sent you this" you can be all like "well I signed up for this thing some time ago, maybe someone thought drugs make a good gift...?"

What do you guys think?

edit,

this is a c/p that helps clarify some things addressed to my suggestion:

I really did mean you can browse (or be presented with random) addresses once you've submitted your own. cause if LE were to signup to test it out, it would need to actually "work" as it's supposed to.

Some of you raised the issue of CREEPY STALKERS IN OUR FAIRYTALE WORLD, but many people pointed out the obvious: you can still browse anyone's page on fb or find any address just by using a phone book.

So, the whole idea of this thing is, again, to have an address that can already be found (in the phone book) ALSO present in a website that promotes postal correspondence. WITH STRANGERS. Which, ideally, does not require any sort of ID (so you can fill it with 999 fake addresses and 1 real) to FURTHER obfuscate LE by letting anyone post anyone's address and make it impossible to monitor every single one, even if we're talking just one country.

So not only you might really get an unexpected delivery which you TRUTHFULLY wouldn't know what it contains, but you don't even have to confess to know about that inherently innocent service that some freak abused to post drugs to a random stranger, because anyone could have signed you up for it.

To put matters simply, it makes the act-as-if rule a thousand times more plausible.


Comments


[28 Points] MrJuanPablo:

I can imagine me thinking of this high af


[19 Points] throwawaytheMETHok:

I had a similar idea awhile back; but mine would take longer to set up.

If you had a youtube channel // blog // some sort of online following, its not uncommon for people to have a PO box for people to send them shit to unbox // whatever. This would be a pretty ingenious way to get around the problem. Law Enforcement might even completely believe the story.

Your idea.. problem is, you're just compiling a list of people who use DNMs and their real addresses. LE would easily find out the real purpose of such a website, and then have the names and addresses of everyone who gets drugs mailed to them. yikes.


[15 Points] Solid716:

Not to be a dick but that's pointless. Stating you didn't order anything is good enough. Making a website and giving them a story gives them reason to continue their investigation (I'm assuming).


[8 Points] shitterplug:

Lol. That site would be prime for people looking for addresses to fuck with. You'd get so much shit in the mail. On top of that, not only will the police know your address, but everyone will.

This is a terrible fucking idea.


[4 Points] Theeconomist1:

You are forgetting the most crucial aspect of law in the US - you don't have to prove your innocence. They have to prove your guilt. You don't need an explanation. They need to prove you ordered the drugs.


[3 Points] MrOffica:

You don't have to have an excuse. Just deny. If you tell some kind of story you are only incriminating yourself further.


[3 Points] Hi_Im_New_Here___:

A long time ago, gosh, you were probably just a little kid, they had something like this. They called it a phone book or something like that and the goodies were there for anyone to see. They even kept these precious little opsec boosters at places like hotel rooms, phone booths, libraries, people's homes. If you want plausible deniability, you need to get back inside the book. You might even find Pokemon GO while your looking for your way back in.


[3 Points] Vendor_BBMC:

Is a lottery ticket illegal to buy, if the lottery has some inappropriate prizes?

Everybody enters every week. Every shipment of drugs a vendor sends out has a note saying "CONGRATULATIONS! YOU HAVE BEEN RANDOMLY SELECTED AND HAVE WON AN 8 BALL OF COCAINE IN THE INAPPROPRIATE PRIZE LOTTERY!" Obviously, there isn't really a lottery or prizes or winners. The covering letter is just an excuse if your pack gets intercepted.

"Please flush it down the toilet if you don't like cocaine"

This is why I'm your leader.


[2 Points] Renvyus:

It's a good excuse but LE can't do anything anyways if you just deny. I'm sure there are sites like that but who's going to send people stuff for free? Especially drugs.


[2 Points] jjcooli0h:

If you're that serious about creating an alibi what about a service where you sign-up and get a fake "enemy" - an anonymous online troll with a major axe to grind, who follows you around making comments threatening to dox you, SWAT you, and even frame you and get you in trouble with the police by sending expensive illegal narcotics to your home in your name.

Or even better - make a fake account and proceed to troll and "threaten" yourself...

"See officers, it wasn't me who ordered anything, it must have been my random internet nemesis out to get me!" lmao


[2 Points] Itchyscratchypalms:

You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can, AND WILL, be used AGAINST you.


[1 Points] Morvu:

so they gonna get the servers database and see no one did actually send you something? fail

or someone who send you a normal gift gets trouble cause of your drugs? fail

so creating a database with so many adresses of 'criminals' is pretty much a stupid idea, unless your LE


[1 Points] berneraccount:

Doesn't work for anyone ordering bulk, which is usually all LE is concerned about.


[1 Points] pinochetHA:

While such a service sounds interesting, it's really begging for someone to troll it. Expecting the internet to use its knowledge of your address responsibly may be a little short-sighted (i.e expect random pizza orders arriving around midnight).


[1 Points] joDwYQzSMGCOvF3U:

J says there was a letter addressed to him. The envelope contained a bag of white powder. J doesn't remember what exact date it was but it could be true that it was late april this year.
J says he thought "what is this shit" and then threw it away.

That's all you need to do! To calm down your paranoia, buy a fake id from the fine folks over at /r/fakeid and use it to rent a post box! It's that simple. Remember, the burden of proof is on the police.


[1 Points] None:

Morgan Freeman


[1 Points] anxdiety:

/r/freebies is your answer. Sign up for all kinds of shit for free. One day I had a plastic measuring cup show up via purolator and I really didn't know what the fuck it was that I had ordered.


[1 Points] None:

So Self Doxxing ey?


[1 Points] SasukeDOXXED:

i see this leading to people actually seeing addresses and then sending drugs to them


[1 Points] Vendor_BBMC:

Thats so stupid that it just might work. Reddit won't get it though. They don't like new ideas like a "national drug secret santa"

I've got a better idea, which Ive been using for a year. Catalog return services. The customer emails a label to the vendor, who attaches it to a package. He takes it to a local shop which acts as a collection point, and its taken to a shop near the customer who picks it up.


[1 Points] None:

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What is this?


[1 Points] TurnedOnTunedIn:

You mean redditgifts?


[1 Points] junkitactics:

i signed up for reddit xmas gift exchange, it was on the DNM sub to be exact officer


[0 Points] None:

this is one of the stupidest ideas ive ever heard of, but definately not one of the stupidest posts up on the front page today. so congrats on that, i guess.