BITCOIN FOG needs to have a SELECTIVE SCAM WARNING on the sidebar

So I started researching the darknet about a year ago - subscribed to this subreddit, read the wiki, studied up on bitcoins, the whole 9. OPSEC is extremely important to me, and I wanted to make absolutely sure I knew what I was doing, without any weak links in the chain.

Bitcoin tumbling seemed to be a logical step, and I didn't see any warnings on reddit about BitCoin Fog (in retrospect, I should have looked harder, but oh well) and so I decided to use Bitcoin Fog as my tumbler. I started with a small amount of money, transferred from my coin.mx wallet to my Bitcoin Fog wallet, log in to my Bitcoin Fog wallet, and boom. Bitcoins are there. Everything's all good, right? So I try to transfer the bitcoins to my Agora wallet. I understand that it will take 6 hours, so I initiate the transfer and go to bed. Wake up the next morning, check Agora wallet, coins aren't there. Try to log back into Bitcoin Fog, and I'm being told my username/password is incorrect. I'm confused, as I write down all of my usernames/passwords (I make them too complicated to remember), so I know for a fact that I'm typing it in right. I'm thinking my account may have been mistakenly deleted somehow, but when I try to create a new account with the same username, I am told that account already exists... Oh well. It's only a small amount of money, no big deal.

I made a new account and tried again. This time, the money made it through to my Agora wallet. Perfect! Now that I have my system down, and there are no more broken links in the chain, I'm ready to start moving more bitcoins. A week after my first success with sending coins from Bitcoin Fog to Agora, I try again, with a larger amount of Bitcoins. Bitcoins show up in the Bitcoin Fog wallet, I withdraw my coins to my Agora wallet, go to bed (anticipating placing a nice fat order on Agora the next day when my bitcoins arrive from my Bitcoin Fog wallet), I wake up, log in to Agora, no coins. Really? Not again... Try logging into Bitcoin Fog account, and FUCK!!! CAN'T FUCKING LOG IN!

Fool me once, I might be a noob that's new to the darknet and fucked something up. Fool me twice, and they are definitely fucking selective scamming. AFTER THE FACT I did a little research (which I should have done before - I feel like an idiot), and found whispers here and there on reddit about how Bitcoin Fog might be selective scamming, but nothing that stood out to me enough to convince me not to try it. I used Bitcoin Fog because it was endorsed on the sidebar, and I think that a warning with a link to this thread should be put next to Bitcoin Fog in the sidebar immediately. A warning like that on the sidebar would have definitely saved me a few hundred bucks, maybe it can save someone else's money instead...

TL;DR Bitcoin Fog is selective scamming, and it's time to (at least) put a warning on the sidebar.


Comments


[3 Points] Vendor_BBMC:

"SEEMED" like the logical thing to do"

Its not. You're using a professional money laundering tool for the exact opposite.

I use bitcoinfog to hide the illegally-earned origins of bitcoins so I can buy legal, everyday things.

If it's selectively scamming, it would scam vendors moving large amounts. how does it spot bitcoin-naive drug buyers moving bitcoin INTO a marketplace that wasn't crediting deposits for several weeks?

It doesn't seem to scam android phone users who know what a bitcoin wallet is, just the typical paranoid customers who start threads on Reddit with "so"

If you can login on 2 occasions then not on a third, maybe your password was stolen or changed.

If you can't logon a second time, you probably had number lock on your laptop when you created the password.

At the very least, tumble between two actual wallets that you own ie on your computer or phone. Not a "web wallet" (or even worse a bitcoin exchange to a darknet marketplace having bitcoin problems)

Even if you managed to launder your clean bitcoin at your own expense before handing them immediately to agora:- WHY?

You're just drawing attention to yourself as a money-laundering criminal going through hundreds of tumbler wallets. You're probably still blankly staring at your screen. not understanding money-laundering, so |'ll give you an analogy:-

A New York garbage collector works all week, collects his wage packet on Friday night and wants to go to a bar for a drink.

He sends his wages through two Cayman Islands offshore holding companys but doesn't have a new York bank account or a Swiss account. So he asks the mob-controlled first holding company to tell the second one to deposit $30 on his tab at O'Hannigan's bar 6 hours after leaving work. Thirsty


[2 Points] jahrastafareye:

Fool me once , shame on you. Fool me twice, Can't get fooled again!


[2 Points] None:

Same here!

I sent like $30 worth of coins to BTC Fog & tried to later withdraw them but the site stated I did not have enough coins, when I clearly did. So I then tried logging out & back in but was not able to due to site saying my username or password was incorrect? Which didn't make any sense since I was just logged on. There is something fishy about BTC Fog & no longer use them!

I now use BTC Blender & have never had a problem


[2 Points] None:

Same thing happened to me. Money went in. Next day, login doesn't work. Money is gone. I 100% did not get phished either.


[1 Points] stupidDNManswer:

1: Never transfer money from a Mixer directly to a market, this is 101

How can you avoid this:

1: Create a online/desctop wallet, and transfer all mixed funds to your own wallet, then transfer to a market.

All the problems with fog, seems to stem from people using the same method as you. ALL!! So dont do the same shit and expect different outcome.


[1 Points] AgoraMarket:

Bitcoin tumbling seemed to be a logical step

Tumbling serves no purpose, blockchain analysis simply can not identify unknown people.

If you're a regular small-time buyer, it's beyond pointless. Even if you're a huge vendor, they will profile packages, look for prints, normal police work. Then once you're putatively identified, they'd subpoena Coinbase and Circle to check if you have an account there and if so, how many coins you've cashed out. Without doing any blockchain analysis at all. Lo and behold, they'd see someone cashed out $200K in coins (like Blake Benthall) and that will be added as circumstantial evidence to any indictment. IT WILL NOT MATTER IN THE SLIGHTEST WHETHER THOSE COINS WERE TUMBLED OR NOT.

Even if you're paranoid about this type of stuff and feel the need to tumble coins, using any darkweb site devoted to tumbling (really laundering money) isn't the way to go about it. There are other, more covert methods. Dummy accounts on certain other BTC sites, gambling sites, currency exchanges, etc.


[1 Points] MmmhmmDrugs:

I read a comment stating that the people who get scammed are those who send it directly to a dark market wallet. That's what I did unfortunately. And just like you OP. I lost my money, withdrawal never showed up and they changed my password! I don't know if it truly only happens to those who directly transfer to a market place, but I do know I'm regretting using bitcoin fog. It was for my first purchase, did the extra step to be "safe" and ended up losing $250. I don't understand why they would scam if they make enough money but shit. It happens.