Some insights what may happen if you are a small time buyer and they have your address (EU/Germany)

I was a casual small time buyer for some time and got my home raided by german LE for one order of about 4 grams of Cocaine. I thought it is worth to tell my story since so many people are claiming that LE won't go for the small fish.

To make it short: the above mentioned (domestic) order got caught because of bad stealth about 1 year ago. I had it sent to my home with my name on it. After the order didn't arrive I first got paranoid and cleaned house, but after some weeks I came to the conclusion that the Vendor just scammed me, because many other buyers claimed their orders didn't arrive while the Vendor stayed active until he finally got banned from the market (Vendor isn't active under this name, and the market also doesn't exist anymore)

So after some time I started ordering again. Then, about half a year after the order hadn't arrived, a police team of 6 LEO came to my door with a warrant. They found some other stuff (personal amounts according to german law mostly, but also 21 XTC pills), but basically they were looking for DNM connections on my electronic devices.

It was obvious they were disappointed because they were hoping for some bigger fish, but nevertheless I got some trouble for the stuff they found in my house (not to mention my laptop, phone ect. which is still confiscated - still don't know when or if I'll get it back). My case is closed now. No jail time for such amounts in Germany, but still pretty fucked. Kept my hands away from DNM since this raid.

So I think there are some lessons to learn from my case for those who got sucked in this whole AB/Hansa mess:

1) Get at least one proper drop address with a fake name. Your OPSEC can be tight like nothing else, if LE gets a letter with your name on the envelope, they MIGHT be coming for you. Even if you only ordered "personal amounts".

2) German LE seem to take every opportunity they get, so if you ordered from AB/Hansa without using manual(!!) PGP, I would suggest you clean house asap. (although in my case they also got some product with my name on it, which made it worse)

3) Don't believe those who claim that LE "doesn't care for small time buyers". They do, because they know there will always new markets and vendors popping up. So German LE seems to think it will stop the growth of the DNM scene if they spread fear and terror among its users. In my case it worked.

4) LE will confiscate not only your electronic devices, but also those of people who live with you (wifes, GFs/BFs, children, even roommates). So if you think you might be on a list, not only clean your computers, but make sure that ALL important documents you may need for work, university ect. exist as copies in a safe place (like a hard drive copy at a friends place)

I honestly don't want to spread FUD here, and I am quite sure that as a small time buyer you probably be ok, but just be careful and take some precautions.

Stay safe, guys!


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[39 Points] wiffofass:

I've had my devices confiscated as well. The key is to ENCRYPT EVERYTHING. They can't do anything but ask you for the password if you do it properly and eventually you will get your shit back. But not if you don't encrypt and they find out you've been ordering stuff from DNMs.


[16 Points] mejuwi1:

The ones who claim "LE won't bother for personal amounts" are either

  1. LE themselves, laying a trap by leading people into thinking they aren't "important"
  2. Low hanging fruits who have never seen the depths LE can go to get just about any bust.

Unfortunately if you read the AB/Hansa takedown megathreads, the sub is littered with these "informative" posts telling people that small buyers do not matter, LE doesnt have time and other silly stuff like that.

I was arguing with a bunch who said LE will never break any rule and will never do anything against the law. Funny that all these accounts were "New Accounts" tho...

Fuck that shit, LE will stop at nothing to put you behind bars. Personally I have known dudes who got locked away for a good while because LE planted extra drugs on them (UK, non DNM related, but still...)

Take most of these "you are safe, don't worry" posts with several liberal heaps of salt. If you are in anyway involved with the Hansa trap, just assume an army of LE agents is on the way to your home at this very moment and take whatever precautions you deem to be necessary. That will keep you out of prison, not some wishful thinking fed to you by a new account over reddit.


[10 Points] HTibanne:

All I have to say is: that is absolutely fucking incredible that you don't get jail time for that in Germany.

Good advice otherwise.

(P.S. I don't mean to make light of your situation, just imagine going to jail for several years for that in many other countries - that's the risk we take)


[7 Points] None:

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[7 Points] candylovr:

What does German law say about ownership of unreceived mail? In Brazil, the mail legislature clearly states that ownership of mail belongs to the sender, not the receiver, until it arrives and is properly received, when the ownership shifts to that person. This means that should LE intercept illegal packages with your name on it, as long as you don't provide evidence that you purchased them (voluntarily or by leaving tracks), they can't prosecute you.

Of course, this in merely the law, and Brazilian police couldn't care any less about it. In reality, they'd probably arrest you and press charges, forcing you to hire a lawyer and hope he can convince the judge that the law matters, even with regards to illegal drugs.


[6 Points] trynakick:

There have been tons of reports of this sort of thing from Germany. In founding people busted for SR purchases years down the line. Haven't seen anything like it from other countries.


[6 Points] whooopsiedooopsie:

Do you know anything about how they treat other illegal stuff on your hard drives? I think at this point everybody has at least some illegally downloaded movie/photoshop/etc. Did you hear anything about that when they confiscated your drives?


[6 Points] throwawayyyyyyyy32yb:

I have tried to find a drop alot of times seem impossible to me


[5 Points] isthismdma:

OP: Which state in Germany?


[4 Points] H3dgecr33p:

It’s funny you mention “new accounts” and say how they aren’t credible and you are a “new account” yourself..... funny.


[4 Points] liowin:

The big question is in what state of Germany do you live?

My guess is Bavaria or BW. A raid b/c of small amounts is very unlikely in Berlin, Hamburg f.x.

Additionally cocain is handled more strict by LE compared to weed f.x. And 4g of Cocain is already exceeding private consumption limits in some states.


[1 Points] None:

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[3 Points] healeolw:

Hey OP! I´m in a pretty similiar situation. LE should have my adress from 2 hansa orders (2g cocaine and 2 g weed in 2 different oders) both arrived and already disappeared of course. My whole system+ all external Drives are encrypted with veracrypt (took like 24 hours per drive lol) and i always used maximum opsec on AB. So lets say they only have the adress from these two orders and my house is totally clean is there any chance they can get charges on me without seizing the actual order. Like i said its already all consumed/gone. I´m very happy for responses and is there a chance if i didnt tumble the btc that they can use this as a real proof i mean just the transactions without having any proof i did have the stuff.

Tyvm


[2 Points] Crazypens30:

Well, I stand corrected about the "small time buyer" stuff. That's quite scary. I don't suppose it depends on what you purchased, either? (Say, marijuana as opposed to coke, or ecstasy, or ketamine?) Maybe it's more about opportunity.


[2 Points] throwawayyyyyyyy32yb:

Police was just in front of my building thanfully these assholes came for some other shit fml I think those god damn pigs can smell drugs or some shit


[1 Points] AmbitiousYoungAdult:

What market did you use, OP?


[1 Points] Hydroxsid:

Sorry to post in an old thread, but im assuming this whole story is due to the fact that drugs were involved. Would this happen with electronics too?


[0 Points] MT_Merchant_Mangler:

You will never live in a country where the Police/Feds will kick your door in, hit you with a flash bang, shoot your dog and have automatic weapons pointed at your head over personal amounts of narcotics.

LOL @ Europoors.