Have you ever wondered if sometimes FUD pushes people into opportunistic exit scamming?

Like, if some reason halts a vendor or a market from operating as usual (like sickness or legal trouble) and everyone spazzes out and thinks they're scamming, the "scammer" might decide might as well do it if that's what they think I'm doing. You see lots of times people making posts explaining delays or downtimes that turn into real exit scams, but they make me wonder if the person is being honest.

For instance, when BB went down cause of the DDOS, and everyone said they were scamming, maybe they just decided it was their time to go? Their reputation had already been damaged anyway. The community has basically moved on from Blackbank, a forgotten memory of the way things used to work. And they've ESPECIALLY moved on from Evo. If there were some alternative reason to their closings, really at this point, what motivation would they have to come back? People wouldn't trust them. Are maybe some ES just opportunistic rather than premeditated, and if so, is the community somewhat to blame?


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[5 Points] The_Grid_Is_Up:

I absolutely believe some exit scams are simply the admins seizing a perfect opportunity. While I would like to believe that this community doesn't push people towards scams that simply isn't true. Public opinion influences more than people think, and if the entire community is crying "scam" then some admins, vendors, etc might think that they're better off taking the cut and run route. Just my thoughts on it.


[4 Points] MLP_is_my_OPSEC:

As far as I'm concerned, it's part of the game. At least they can't be run down by a bunch of thugs from an opposing dealing group or gang. As the DNM scene grows and ages, changes are needed. Having a dedicated PR person would help immensely in these situations.

Exit scamming just because someone is saying mean things about you is stupid.


[3 Points] Theeconomist1:

I guess one could argue that a "perfect storm" of FUD could happen and a "run on the bank" situation could occur perhaps. I don't see this happening too much with a market, esp an established market, but I suppose FUD could be devastating to a brand new market that hasn't established a foothold yet. I see this scenario more likely with a vendor, especially a vendor where the FUD is somewhat real. For example, let's say a vendor had a recent spate of fuck ups and for whatever reason a set of packs weren't delivered to customers. A good vendor would want to make things right nad either offer reships or refunds. BUT, the vendor may not be liquid and may rely on future orders to help smooth the past, fucked up orders (robbing peter to pay paul so to speak). If FUD hurts his future sales, he may see the idea of making everyone whole again to be an exercise in futility and may give up and decide to exit scam. Obviously bad news can build on top of bad news and spell the end of a business. So I do find it possible, especially with vendors who have no backup capital and are living sale to sale. Anything that breaks that chain becomes devastating then.

One could also see a scenario where a vendor may say fuck it, I'm trying but the community doesn't believe it so why try.

I'd say the motivation to come back for a vendor, or even a market, is the exact same question that any business would face. If the business feels that they can make things whole and survive and eventually return to profitability, they'll probably try to make things right. But once a business feels they cannot possibly recover, its time to shut the door. We see "exit scams" in the business world, esp in businesses that have a lag in delivering the product to the customer - they may continue to take orders and take money and then the next day file for bankruptcy. I guess our anger levels towards a business is determined whether or not that business made what we feel is a good faith effort to make things right. Most people know that businesses fail for various reasons that aren't necessarily due to malicious intentions of the owner. I think the difference in the DNM world is that we have no way to know what really happened when a vendor exit scammed. I guess what I'm trying to say is that intentions do matter. There is a difference b/w an outright thief and a vendor who just fucked up in a more "innocent" way, even though the outcomes are the same. The thing is, we'll never know either way 99% of the time. Not sure if what I'm saying is coming across correctly, I'm not excusing exit scams at all, but what I'm more saying that there is a difference b/w a vendor who goes out intending and purposefully scamming people and those who just had a spate of bad luck, had some bad deals, bad product, whatever and couldn't recover.


[1 Points] None:

So what happens if the community stops screaming scam will that stop it?


[1 Points] noseybast:

I 100% disagree with your opinion on BlackBank, if it had come back up it would of re-overtaken Nucleus to become the no.2 market behind Agora