There is no sustainable money in being a middleman importer [discussion]

Was thinking about this after reading a few threads today: being a middleman importer of drugs is not sustainable and very risky for the average DNM user. Now, before you get your pitchforks, let me explain.


Picture the average DNM user. If we draw from the average redditor, he's a white, male, in his early 20's or late teens. Very few of our users are people who've done time, or even been charged with crimes such as possession. Before the darknet market, he got his weed from a local guy (and hopefully still does!) and never dreamed of doing cocaine/mdma/xans/opiates. However, the game changed. Drugs that were rare in his area become easily available through the mail, and at hugely discounted prices. Our hero orders a few things, learning a bit about opsec and reading vendor threads along the way. After sharing his drugs with friends, he has a sudden realization: he has access to cheap, quality drugs that everyone wants. Suddenly the life of vendors is glamorized, covered in a thin sheet of coke and cash. However, he realizes quickly that becoming an online vendor takes a lot of work, and a lot of startup cash. What else can he do? That's when it hits him. Importing drugs for sale locally! He can easily buy drugs online for pennies on the dollar and sell them locally! Jackpot, right? At first glance the premise seems excellent; High profits, low startup costs. However, even a cursory look at some of the variables involved reveals some flaws in the trade.

  1. The importer is at the mercy of the vendor, the mail courier, and other uncontrollable variables.

  2. There is nearly always a connection between the importer and the drugs, all the way down the chain.

  3. Lacks the anonymity of online vending, once again allowing the drugs to lead back to the importing party.

  4. LEA's are targeting the large importers of drugs. The busts they make look good for the agencies, and big sentences are handed down.


Sorry for rambling, just curious as to what your thoughts are on this.

Edit: I should mention, if you are dealing small amounts to a few friends, that's different. I'm talking the people importing 100g+ of any substance


Comments


[26 Points] BasedPsychonaut:

Meh. I'll disagree. I don't really have too much of an argument but I've paid very important things with earnings from being a MM. Live and sustain, not trying to get rich.


[27 Points] burnvern:

I too think a lot of people don't realize the danger of what they're doing until it's too late. Having this ease of access to drugs allows these middle class teenagers to sell drugs to all their high school friends out of their parents house. That's why you see at least 1 thread a day of someone freaking out because their mail man sneezed when he dropped off their pack.

Back in the day you had to be involved in the drugs and work your way up to the good prices. Admittedly I've been involved in drugs and selling them from a very young age. (I'm not proud of this)

The DNM simply gave me another, safer, cheaper and better place to buy my drugs. For others this is the only place they know. They've never dealt with the sketchy meth head trying to get a script of bars or a g of some shitty coke. They don't know the actual risks of this. Think of it kind of like that affluenza kid


[16 Points] trynakick:

  1. You're always at the mercy of your supplier

  2. Ditto

  3. Yeah, that's a legit risk, but also a risk you take if you have a non-DNM plug

  4. LEA's just want drugs on the table, sure adding in 'imported from the darknet where there is also CP and hitmen' is sexier, but they are just looking for drugs

You just wrote a post that says, "being a drug dealer is not sustainable". Which we know to be true. Limited scope for a limited time, sure. But long term it's not the best idea


[5 Points] GreekLobsta:

It's dangerous of course, dealing drugs is never going to be safe. However, from a purely objective standpoint it might be just as dangerous or more buying and selling from strictly local sources. In my city, with a population of 40,000 and a surrounding area of 250,000, the police can easily patrol the low-income zones of all the cities and often will follow or arrest a person simply for leaving such a place. Almost all my dealers have done some time or are doing some time. This is all anecdotal evidence and I don't claim to know the any real statistics.

I've resold quite a bit of any amount of products I purchase on the DNMs locally and I've never been caught or even come close. I always make my money back and then some, even one time having made enough money from a single deal to pay off my rent completely as well as making back all the money I spent and having a sizable supply of product left for personal use. My main tactic is knowing other dealers around town and moving the product to them for usually twice what it cost me. Since I always purchase products that are difficult to find in my area no one ever complains or has a problem reselling the product themselves. As long as you don't expect to make a living off dealing product purchased on the DNMs you can make a decent amount of pocket money and probably use for free.

Basically, I agree and disagree. If you don't make a pattern of actions easy to follow my LE and stay low key through not tooting your own horn too much and not making a bunch of small deals you can stay anonymous which is the most effective camouflage. Sometimes I don't even do anything but give out bumps or pills for whatever money someone wants to offer me which is always handy, having essentially highly liquid currency that a certain group of people will always purchase for more than what you bought it for. Fuck I'm rambling.


[4 Points] Vendor_BBMC:

I think this is the way the darknet is going, in the US at least. In a large country with slow post, darknet customers tend to be local dealers. Nobody wants to wait a week for drugs in the post, so the reseller does all that and has them ready to buy on Friday. Lots of people seem to make this business model work. Also, who hasn't bought enough weed for himself and his mate? We are all some kind of shade of dealer. A few of my customers are the dealers who get called by agents when Hollywood stars are over promoting something, they have to have a bit of the best of everything. "Charlie Sheen says "Hi", can he get the same again when he's in town next week, Redbook?" - kind of thing.

In my country (the UK), the DNM customer is the person using the drugs. However, sometimes its another darknet vendor who doesn't have a good drug source to bring IN to the markets. He is a vendor who buys his stock from vendors around the world for his "one-stop shop".

This ISN'T sustainable. There's little profit in it, and the vendor will get scammed or lose a shipment and pass the scam on to you. "One-stops" ALWAYS scam, either intentionally or unintentionally because they aren't vendors:- they're customers like you, with no more clue what it really is that they are buying and selling.

When you see a vendor stating on his profile that he's expecting to list this drug and that drug next week, you know he's bought it from a real vendor and is waiting for the postman.


[5 Points] DEA_Agent007:

I don't think anyone who resells is looking for "sustainability." Legitimate work is sustainable, which is why most people on the DNM's have real jobs. In my experience it's usually always to make some extra money, get out of a rut, or pay off some other big expense. I've been reselling for about 7 months and can tell you I'm cashing out this summer when I have enough money to do what I want to do.


[2 Points] WellTiddlemyFiddle:

Not sure how any of this relates to "sustainable money." Point 1 deals with the potential for an order not to come through. Ideally an importer of that size doesn't put all their eggs in one basket and manages the risks. Points 2-4 are related to legal consequences. All of these risks exist (and are mostly amplified) if dealing not through the DNM. Seems like by "sustainable money" you mean "staying out of prison." Legit concern.

Drug dealing, however, is profitable for two reasons: 1. You have information/relationships others lack and 2. You are taking on a signficiant legal risk. It's a trade off. Weigh the rewards against the risks and do your best to mitigate the risks.


[2 Points] methylenedma:

I'll disagree. I have bought some substances and sold to a local dealer which is just above street-level. I mean he's not selling on the street, but have people doing that for him. I was able to give him a product even more pure than what he had before and was really happy with it. What I like is that he's not the typical meth-head kinda dealer, he's always able to pay for himself and he is more about OPSEC than others I know about. He's not laying any pressure on me to buy more, he thinks I get it from a friend living in another country, so he just says "just tell me if you got more, and I will buy it".

Making my life a whole lot more easy. Not getting rich, but I can pay my expenses from the drug money. I'm not thinking it's a lot of risk either. We both use end-to-end encryption and none of my friends know about this.


[2 Points] 2LMA:

also, if you're dealing, be super fucking careful where you're dealing. I'm not saying do it out of sight of the police, which should be obvious, I'm saying do it out of sight of other fucking gangs. A couple of years ago a friend of a friend got his nose broken when he was dealing outside the accepted channels, and now the group that broke his nose are out murdering another gang while dressed in police outfits in broad daylight. Sure as fuck wouldn't be doing it these days.


[1 Points] ravendarkh0lme:

The one bad thing with all this is that it turns people who have no right slinging are now slanging large weight. I don't know how many people I've seen trying to pass Q's bars as legit pharma pressed.

Although thanks to the DNM most dealers have jumped ship and joined my team. So I can't be too mad.


[1 Points] aircoft:

if you are dealing small amounts to a few friends, that's different. I'm talking the people importing 100g+ of any substance

I'd consider 100g of a lot of different substances to be "small amounts", to be honest.... :P


[1 Points] Shroomgawd:

Idk what your tryin to say..? If you think it's so dangerous don't use it obviously most of us got drops that don't connect to real identies.


[1 Points] PhriskyDingough:

There's money in it if you're cagey and prudent. If you're a slob, you'll loose money like crazy and wind up in jail.


[1 Points] deceptivelyelevated:

i would also disagree, irl deals are set up, commissions paid in advance, and nothing touches the hand. other instances are selling the connect to the buyer, and selling the buyer to the connect, hit em both.. they see residual big wins, mm walks with very little involvement and zero from that point on. the perceived risk of dnm vendors is often times drastically underestimated, its the same, one mistake and they can trace your activity pretty accurately, long after youve fucked it up. and might i add, at any time some kid could fuck the shit up and put everyones info on blast. you cant see the future, i would rather gamble irl mm deals than have every sale ever made rocorded on the blockchain, and then linked to me by a 12 year old in 2023


[1 Points] DaKingKush:

A middleman importer doesnt really fall into the same echelon as "the average redditor". From what I've seen, the average redditor is pretty fucking retarded, and in no way could accomplish anything like this.


[1 Points] TossThatBag:

Was thinking about this after reading a few threads today: being a middleman importer of drugs is not sustainable and very risky for the average DNM user.

For the average user? Of course it is, because most of these people are fucking morons.

When I was doing this, I was reasonably careful about what I bought and who I sold to. More importantly, I made the money I needed to make and then got out of the game ASAP before I could even possibly attract attention.

People get busted because they introduce risk into their equation. Selling too much, of the wrong things, and to the wrong kinds of people for too long is what gets you hog-tied.


[1 Points] R4ID:

I'd strongly disagree. You just need to know the area you are in, what sells quick (nobody likes to sit on product) and have a few connections in various scenes to help you flip it fast. It is very, VERY profitable if you are willing to take the risk


[1 Points] None:

i agree but disagree bc i make hella bread of these junkies out here and love it ,

have multiple drops and just make flips , that is the way to do it is to just flipp and dipp,
AND TAKE TIME OFFF


[1 Points] Frank769:

You can make a living selling legal chems, you're just not seeing the big picture, the cartels getting into those types of chems have money for importing (multiple) containers at a time at little to no risk of jail. You make the price up basically so if you can't pay for your shit, either you're getting played basically or you don't know to price your shit. If you want reliability you gotta work for it, this is by no means a full time job when you start but you have to do lots of research. You have to diversify your bonds, nigga! Reinvest in different things with your profit or get a job, because money isn't hard to get, it's just hard to manage. Don't spend of restaurents and hookers and drugs when you got money man you'll quickly run out. Plan ahead and the more you research the more you'll have a solid business plan to show investors and the more you'll want to invest in different projects yourself.


[1 Points] CDRCRDS:

Plausible deniability makes the take worth it. Just do things in a manner thats low key and have your crew be disciplined in how they distribute. Not gonna say how because LE is al over this board.


[0 Points] atom2:

I'm not sure why people don't manufacturer instead of importing drugs most drugs precursors are grown on plants.look at three top drugs meth heroin and ecstasy.

Mdma : sassafras plant Meth amphetamine : ephedra grass Heroin: poppy plant