PSA: Reminder to Americans of what to say to the police if you get raided/arrested

Nothing. Shut the fuck up. Ive seen a lot of posts about cleaning house and getting a lawyer which is good advice, but I think there should be more about how to talk to the police, which means, don't.

Since Im just some guy on an alt account, take it from this guy who is a lawyer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8z7NC5sgik

Another lawyer who sometimes posts to reddit, /u/kenpopehat: https://www.popehat.com/tag/shut-up/

He's a former federal prosecutor, and harvard educated. He makes bank charging huge fees to white collar suspects. He knows what hes talking about. His best and free advice is to shut up.

(Disclaimer: Im new to the whole DNM scene trying to find a specific vendor, who I still havent found. But I am not new to civil liberties. Know your rights and use them. Also, this advice applies to Americans. Other countries may be different.)

Edit: Some people have pointed out you should explicitly invoke your right to remain silent. This is most correct. In fact, you should also explicitly invoke your right to an attorney while you're at it. A simple phrase "I invoke my right to remain silent and I invoke my right to have an attorney present for any questioning" should work. But even that can be a mouthful if a bunch of goons just broke down your door and shot your dog. If you can't manage that, just saying 'lawyer' might work. But whatever you do, dont interact with them. Dont explain anything. Sitting there quietly is still better for you then opening your mouth.


Comments


[85 Points] _PrinterPam_:

Absolutely. And to expound on this just a little, don't even deny anything. If you haven't been arrested yet (even if they 'detain' you), the only two things which should come out of your mouth are: "Am I free to go?" and some version of "Me. Lawyer. Now." If you have been arrested, the latter.


[37 Points] throwahooawayyfoe:

"I hereby choose to exercise my right to have an attorney present with me during any and all questioning from this point forward. I will not answer any questions without one present on my behalf and will remain silent until such point when one arrives to represent me."


[30 Points] ForLol_Serious:

If I ever had to talk to LE I would just start rambling about how I was abducted by reptilian aliens. It would make a good insanity plea.


[17 Points] assblow420:

Too true.. I was found in posetion of 1.75g of h. long story short i stuck to my guns and said nothing.. not a word. put all my trust in my lawyer who advised to plead not guilty... and so court date came round and my not guilty was accepted.. f**k yeh! The court system is just a big game.. put your trust in someone who knows the rules.. your lawyer.


[9 Points] TheShattering:

This! Answer the door immediately so they don't break your door down. If you have a dog say things like "please don't shoot my dog". Cops are known for shooting dogs. They will try the old "good cop bad cop" and say things like "we are only after your supplier, you will be ok". Don't listen to them. If they knock down your door they are already not your friend and they will say anything to get you to talk. If you are detained they will pull you out after awhile in the cell to play "good cop" again. Don't listen to them. Just be polite and say "I know enough about the law to know that I shouldn't say anything without my lawyer present". They can only detain you for 24 hrs. Once you get out lawyer up.


[9 Points] BlackieBelt:

I am grateful to be living in a third world country. DNM community of all the first world countries are shitting their pants right now. For the first time in my life, I'm proud to say that the cops in my country are dumb and corrupt.

They don't know what DNM is, although they are learning like snails, but still I can tell that it's going over some of their heads. Fuckin people give up on DNM cuz they couldn't give 2 FUCKIN minutes to learn PGP.


[4 Points] swolemedic:

Let's be for real, if they raid you for a darknet purchase they probably think you're dealing. Stay quiet, don't resist, and let a lawyer handle it later


[2 Points] TrumpetsBlower:

deafdumbblind


[2 Points] diOpAnonMu:

Do not simply remain silent. You have to unambiguously invoke your right to counsel for an interview to cease. http://www.llrmi.com/articles/legal_update/2012_7th_us_hampton.shtml

Loads of people try to simply remain silent and then get tricked into reacting.


[1 Points] Coolbreazzz:

Seen the video b4 and many like it. Very informative thank you


[1 Points] None:

Just dont comfirm nor deny in any way that can be misconstrued or even embellished later

Say nothing

Cheers

Hassouna


[1 Points] quebec_meth:

Just get out and yell hajds up dont shoot


[0 Points] GDSGFT2SCKCHSRS:

Actually to expand on this conversation to the point of nausea do yourself a solid and don't even speak words with your mouth or look those corrupt jackboot pigs in there fucking eyes. All you do is go grab a 3x5 flash card and keep it in your pocket or wallet and if you get hemmed up just bust that little puppy out and show it to them and point at the words I want my lawyer now. Then make a gesture towards yourself with your thumb. No matter what they say like how they have a ton of evidence on you and you should save you all some time and show them where you are hiding all your contraband. Or promises to take it easy on you if copperate and snitch on your plug. Anything they say is a lie and nothing that you can talk to them about can help you. It can only hurt, so just shake your head no when they demand something from you. Also, when they ask questions just shrug your shoulders and start moving your hands like your a mime in a box. That's some free advice thats actually priceless.


[1 Points] MandyThatGirl:

Just say no!


[1 Points] CodeReaper:

Darn, I was hoping the best legal action to take was to partake in Home Alone style hijinx with the LEOs.


[1 Points] C_Lana_Zepamo:

Should have just been a blank post.


[1 Points] None:

5 btc says this guy cracks within the first few minutes of interrogation.


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