Policy on Flairing Market & Vendor Complaints

tl;dr: Complaints with no proof presented will be flaired with "No Proof" appended. Complaints with proof presented will be not have "No Proof" appended. It simply means No Proof, nothing more, nothing less. A lack of "No Proof" does not mean anything except that some form of proof was submitted. It is not a judgement of the veracity of the proof or claims whatsoever!

Hi Community,

After some discussion on flairing, we decided that we would append "No Proof" to market or vendor complaints that did not submit proof along with their claim. Much of this was due to our haphazard and inconsistent application of the "No Proof" flair. Sometimes a post with no proof would have it, sometimes not. We don't like inconsistency. Unfortunately, I believe as a result of our capricious use of the "No Proof" flair, it has derived implied meanings. One such meaning was that "No Proof" meant that a complaint was not believed by the mod team or person flairing the post. This is absolutely not the intention of this flair - we let the community judge the veracity of any claim or post.

Thus, we've decided to apply a simple standard on market and vendor complaints - if the OP presents proof, the flair would be "Vendor/Market Complaint." If the OP does not present proof, it would be flaired "Vendor/Market Complaint/No Proof". There is no implied meaning behind No Proof. Just because a post presents proof and thus does not have the "No Proof" appendage does not mean that we have judged the proof presented and validated it in any way. That is for the community to debate and decide.

We want the "No Proof" flair to return to its original meaning - simply that no proof was presented at the time of the complaint. Now, this does not mean that complaint with no proof is without merit. Some claims are difficult to prove for various reasons. Do not interpret a claim with "No Proof" differently than you would before we applied these new policies. Likewise, just because a post has "proof" and thus does not have the "No Proof" flair, this does not mean that the proof has been vetted by the mod team.

I believe over time, the "stigma" of "No Proof" should disappear. Claims and posts should be critically analyzed, just like they are today. We rely on the community, as always, to vet and analyze claims. This is simply a label, nothing less, nothing more.

Again, the purpose of this policy is to improve the manner in which we flair posts. We believe the consistency will be an improvement. The "No Proof" policy discussed only applies to vendor and market complaints. We make decisions, such as this, to improve the community. This was one area where we felt we could take something that was very subjective and apply it in a fair and consistent manner. If the community finds that this policy is counter-productive and does not help, we will revisit it. Give it a chance, see if it works out. If it doesn't, its not like this is pounded in stone and brought from a mountaintop on tablets. We can change it.

As always, we welcome any feedback or concerns you may have.


Comments


[3 Points] druggieslut:

lol qt the flair on this post


[2 Points] None:

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[1 Points] ciphersexual:

Posts on this forum are so drug-addled and shambling from subject to subject that I'm not sure which aspect of a post the flair even applies to.

Good luck with this new policy mods, and may paragraphs be on your side.


[1 Points] HonkySpaceship:

So if we don't like this change, it goes back to being flaired "no proof" as opposed to "other descriptor/no proof" ?

Or was this more of a psa saying, "the mod team still won't think for you. The 'No Proof' flair means there exists a post without evidence and it has been flaired. Please stop asking us." ?


[1 Points] None:

GOOD MOVE ECON1!

One problem, the flair may give markets an excuse to scam, and deter people from reporting.

But the shilling here is just plain silly (best of a bad situation?)

Anyway, small steps and that.....

Merry Xmas.


[1 Points] Hank_Vendor:

wouldnt it perhaps be better better to flair those with proof as "proof supplied" or something?

It's better for people to take everything with a grain of salt, and have proven claims clearly marked, surely? Otherwise we are heading down a road where people are relying on a flair to seperate the bullshit from the fact - when 98% of this sub is bullshit.

Edit: Also if people make a claim and then later add proof to it, or it is proven by someone else - many people could have already written it off as fud. They will likely no notice a flair disappearing.