What to do now and future tips

So this thread is what DNM users should do now and how they can protect themselves better in the future.

Comment below with tips and I will edit them in.


What to do now?

Did you order on Hansa on June 20th or later and:

If the above applies to you, then clean your house and research a lawyer NOW. If you have not already got a visit, you may get one soon in the next days as the seized data is shared with other law enforcement agencies. Preparation is key, destroy or move evidence as long as you still can.

Did not use Tails? Uninstall all tools you used for DNM activities from your computer, back up your personal documents and DBAN your computer.

Do you not fall under the above categories? You should still be careful as vendors got busted too who could give out your address.


Swapped vendor keys: at least on vendor seemed to have a wrong PGP key about 5 days ago https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkNetMarkets/comments/6ne0cd/warning_vendor_ice_queen_on_hansa_grams_search_of/

It could be an isolated incident or connected to the takeover.


Future tips:


Comments


[161 Points] rhackle:

This has happened before people. When Silkroad first got taken down everyone freaked out and thought it was the end. So much insanity, new markets coming then exit scamming, accusations of honey potting. I knew someone that was stupid and used an unencrypted address the day before SR was officially seized. Nothing ever happened. We layed low for a while until the markets stabilized and we changed how we used the markets.

The markets will come back and adapt with new security measures. They always do. There's too much money involved for this niche to go away


[50 Points] Swylves:

• OpenBazaar 2.0 is TOR compatible. It's still in Alpha, but if you bombard their team with donations or bounties (via BountySource.com on their github issues lists (1, 2)), it will encourage them to get an official release out.

OB has no central server (unlike Alphabay & Hansa), it spreads tiny pieces of its servers out across thousands of host machines, that's why OB is a big deal. With TOR added to this, it will be a hundred-fold more secure than existing markets.

Update: Here's a guide to supporting OpenBazaar towards serving the needs of potential DNM vendors.

I beg DNM operators to begin testing out Openbazaar 2.0 and seeing how they can port their functionalities over from their traditional web servers to OB.

• Consider trying XMR (Monero) -- it has low price volatility and good privacy-- it hides sender/receiver and also hides the amount being sent.

• I2P has absolutely superior privacy to TOR. Demand that markets begin allowing users to connect via I2P rather than merely TOR.

• This is a bit extreme but.... consider using a Librebooted computer. These are computers that have had their commercial BIOS replaced by the Stallman supported, open source "Libreboot" BIOS, and a free and open OS installed (e.g. a FSF endorsed Linux distro).

Libreboot combined with a secure distro is more secure than even Tails.


[28 Points] old__school:

Get a lawyer? Are you fucking kidding? wombat2combat is the most alarmist motherfucker I have ever encountered in my five years of using DNMs. How he was chosen to be a mod on this sub is fucking beyond me. I guess the only requirement is being dumb enough to use the same reddit handle for years and having way too much time on your hands


[26 Points] throwaway1234519238:

Does it seem like only hansa got really fucked in this? So people who made orders on alphabay 6+ months ago are probably ok?


[20 Points] TechMech01:

Unfortunately, at this point my friends I would advise you to suspend any/all DNM activity.

Wombat is providing the best information, but even he doesn't know the extent of what LE has, so asking him if 'you're screwed' and what not won't change the outcome if you get raided.

At this point, all we have on our sides is speculation. The only safe way to proceed is to assume that LE has control of the information recieved in Hansa. If you registered, clean house. If you purchased, burn and belize.

If you used Hansa, if you even think that there's a chance you're going down, prepare for it.

Good luck guys.


[12 Points] ducktoker:

How is there any way to really know is June 20th is even the real date?


[12 Points] needmypackbro:

/u/wombat2combat Fuck i ordered like 5 days ago and got the pgp from hansa. But I talked to the vendor on another platform and he said it shipped. If they changed all the pgp keys on hansa wouldn't the vendor be unable to read address himself and send out packs?

Just trying to verify If i did or did not use comprimised pgp


[10 Points] fa-yeerrr:

Future Tip, learn about Monero, ask your DNM to accept it and start using it.


[9 Points] None:

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[6 Points] jackxaniels:

Do we know which vendors' PGPs were compromised?


[5 Points] janustrap:

what i dont get is what the gov. is going to do with individual buyers (small quantity)? is DEA going to be bustin on all these ppls doors w/ a warrant?? isn't it likely that they just go for the mods and vendors?


[5 Points] AlsoFrightened13:

I only ever ordered twice, once after June 20th. I used the PGP auto-encryption and the order went off without a hitch. I may have given incriminating information in a PGP-encrypted message. The amounts ordered were for personal use and are completely gone. All that remains now is paraphernalia. Am I royally fucked? Do I throw everything away?

I am FREAKING the fuck out right now. It's hard for me to believe that they have the interest in going after small-time buyers. Please someone tell me if I am freaking out too much or just the right amount.


[3 Points] micaldas:

Should we assume that the auto-encrypted data, in Hansa, prior to July 20th is also compromised?


[3 Points] IronmansVisa:

What happens to vendors who recently Finalized their orders but couldn't pull their funds off the market (due to the recent transaction error that was being posted)? Are all funds lost or will they be released in time?


[3 Points] Dezonly1:

Only been on Hansa for a few weeks and only messed with the fraud side of the market. Still decided to throw away my reddit acct and reset a lot of my passwords. Better safe than sorry.


[3 Points] ADITL2223:

Genuine apologies if a question like this has been answered already a thousand times. Whats the situation for those who have ordered from AB in the past, assuming PGP encryption has been used and it is small orders


[3 Points] awakening137:

Honestly imo, I wouldn't go to dream, notice how they shutdown hansa's registration, maybe they are trying to direct traffic to dream then they are going to shut it down also


[1 Points] None:

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[2 Points] Wanderingbruh:

Am I reading it wrong or was the information from the Hansa takedown only passed on to Europol?


[2 Points] OfficialCrazyCracker:

I'm guessing DDs with TRUSTED vendors using pgp is our only course of action for the moment?


[2 Points] None:

Anyone think DHL is okay to use later on since they have closed invites? What about CGMC?


[2 Points] None:

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[2 Points] tecman69:

xmpp

See it as a last resort when all else fails. Will have to go back to old-time 1-on-1 or even 10-on-10. But cell size will have to be kept managable with connections like in old-time Russia (but I'm sure Trump can get the best methods from ex-KGB ;)


[2 Points] TDarkKnight:

I'm surprised people haven't tried OpenBazaar. It's a p2p and as secure as it gets. Hopefully this can become a trend now


[2 Points] None:

I'm willing to bet dream is compromised also. The FBI is going to make every fall for the same trick a second time ! I think they are able to de anonymize TOR traffic and now everyone is migrating to dream they will do it again.


[2 Points] redalwaysknows:

If they don't physically find drugs or a computer used to make any order, I don't see any realistic way they'd be able to charge a buyer. Unlikely they could even charge them unless they actually caught you with drugs or caught shipments.

So clean house of drugs. If you can also get rid of your computer, do the same.. Lay low for a month or two, keep watching. See whatever emerges next.


[2 Points] hackncrypt:

Everyone needs to keep in mind that LE reads reddit. These dark market subreddits are probably their goto source for leads

FROM INTERVIEW WITH DUTCH INVESTIGATORS:

K: Did anything unexpected happen as a result?

H: Some people started selling their Hansa accounts on Reddit. I read somewhere that one Hansa user sold his account for $40.


[1 Points] jelkw:

What's the best type of lawyer to consult with?


[1 Points] None:

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[1 Points] writingpoli:

Vendors must change PGP keys NOW.


[1 Points] BudgetBuyer:

Holy fuck this shit has hit Facebook trending.. what is going on? Is Dream still safe to use?


[1 Points] None:

DBAN? Better off just throwing your HDD into a microwave.


[1 Points] None:

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[1 Points] midnightmodders:

Just placed an order from Marco polo like 2 days ago but I used PGP encryption not the one on the website. Small personal amount of bud and I used 2fa. You all think I'll be fine?


[1 Points] None:

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[1 Points] fictiociousname:

Just my luck, recently found out how to order off DNMs and signed up to Hansa a couple of days ago (not a AB refugee). Only ordered a gram of bud but used auto PGP for address. Should I still DBAN etc.?


[1 Points] Furjiply:

fuck me i used the auto encrypt on my order!! you guys think LE would come at me for a 5 strip of LSD? im scared


[1 Points] None:

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[1 Points] throwaway87398764:

How much time do you reckon, before it's safe to buy again ?


[1 Points] skorpion7777:

What is your opinion about ordering through jabber?


[1 Points] Coolbreazzz:

Have not seen 9k post in awhile!!!! =(


[1 Points] None:

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[1 Points] PM_UR_DNM_TAKEDOWNS:

Never get lazy. Spending that extra 5 minutes to increase your OPSEC.


[1 Points] None:

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[1 Points] Throwaway0192DNM:

1) What if you ordered after June 20th To a P.O Box using Auto PGP would they kick in address used when registering for P.O box?

2) With bud how much is considered not personal?


[1 Points] None:

So I used dream recently and used the auto pgp feature for the address. Am I fucked? Vendor isn't in the Netherlands.


[1 Points] None:

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[1 Points] lifethrowawayz:

I hope everyone is doing okay, take your precautions clean your house I know I did.


[1 Points] wwantt:

I have a question is it normal for a domestic order to go through customs?


[0 Points] DRUGZ420:

Say someone bought a small amount of Ket from a vendor in July and the package came, they encrypted their address but with the vendors key on their page, domestically in the US. what do you think they should do/how worried should they be?

No one can help?


[0 Points] FraterP:

So absolutely dont go order on Dream? What if I NEED to place an order?


[-7 Points] Vikas-shuk1a:

I'm so glad I used the ID's and IP's of the "goodie goodie tushes" people to do all my dirty work. Been working on DNM as if it was monitored for years. Feminists were one my favorite targets since they are notorious for getting people in trouble for false accusations. Shit, now some of them are going to be in for a big surprise. Guess they had something to hide after all didn't they?

LEVERAGE the power of the law ladies and gentlemen! Set it up in the beginning so you can let your enemies be the ones that have to "get a lawyer"! LE Agencies will trodden on even their own people, and cannibalize each other one day. Time is ticking for the Empire!

To all the best luck!