I refuse to use Alphabay - and any other market that criminally harms innocent people by facilitating fraud, identity theft, or weapons trade

Hello fellow travellers of the shady web! I just noticed that I have been severely stupid & evil in the past and I'd ask you to take a minute and see if you agree.

I believe there's nothing morally wrong with drugs, at least if, for the moment, we disregard the effects addiction can have on family and those pesky drug wars. But I am sure you have at some point taken a curious stroll through the more exotic merchandise also available on AB and some other markets: carding, fraud, fake documents, the occasional semi-automatic.

My obvious point is: these are the ingredients for crimes that are most definitely not victimless, and by continuing to spend coin on these markets, you become complicit, you create suffering.

Let me start with the second point, i. e. what effect do your drug trades have on these other deals? It's quite easy, actually: drugs probably account for the majority of AB's revenue and without that revenue stream, they would have a hard time financing the software development and infrastructure that also runs the real crimes.

In addition, if enough people would shun these misery-peddling marketplaces, the markets would have to decide. With drugs being the better business, they would probably abandon these sideshows.

But how are those activities harming people? Oh, let me count the ways:

Being a victim of identity theft can ruin a life. With your credit score ruined, you're liable to lose your house, job, car and, by extension, family and social life. You can end up on the street or in jail, either because you cannot prove that someone else commited crimes in your name or because you had to resort to crime after losing everything. I'm sure a bit of googling will give you examples of victims who fell so deep that they took their own life - all just to finance some Belorussian's beamer.

Even the smaller-scale credit card fraud isn't victimless: yes, the banks usually eat the fraudulent charges. But that only means that the loss is spread among everyone. The next time you use your credit card to fill up your car, remember that 2% of that price goes to the credit card companies, and part of that fee is needed to offset the losses these fuckers on AB caused.

There aren't very many moral reasons to aquire fake birth certificates. These documents are used by criminals to escape the law. There's some rapist lying on a beach right now who would be in jail if he had not had the opportunity to easily order a fake passport online.

I know the situation in the US is different, but at least in Europe it's extremely hard to aquire weapons. I know that this is probably not what happened in Paris, but at some point there will be a guy spraying a café with Alphabay-branded bullets who would otherwise had only had access to a less-letal switchblade.

So for these reasons, I ask you to use your power to clean up these markets. Being a recreational user of some fun chemicals doesn't make you a natural ally of murderers and plunderers. Make some noise and watch them change.


Comments


[7 Points] 12-13-2015:

See its kinda hard to explain but what you are saying i can compare to this: BTC is used for many seriously illegal things, i mean there were stories going around that ISIS may have millions in BTC. Its also used to buy guns,fake passports, hire assassins, poison to kill others and a whole list of things that are just terrible. So by your reasoning maybe we should protest bitcoin?

What i am getting at is that the darknet in a whole is something that has no rules or laws or regulations. When you start to attempt to impose these types of laws it becomes the same thing as what we ran away from. You are basically saying that if we protest AB they will change but the problem is this isnt a democracy, each market is its own dictatorship and they do whatever makes them the most money. Also AB wont change its way trappy is a carder so i mean it wouldnt be logical for him...

Im not saying i support these activities you just have to realize what you are asking is the opposite of the purpose of these sites.


[4 Points] pew_pew_bang:

Use East India Company, they are the only market that doesn't allow fraud, identity theft, stolen goods or weapons.

Most markets allow fraud and identity theft, not just Alphabay.


[1 Points] Devoid_:

Too bad there isn't a marketplace that sells rainbows and puppies you fuckin fruit


[2 Points] None:

Can't argue with this logic.


[2 Points] CosmicBites:

F**K Alphabay and all who commit frauds


[0 Points] chanchan69:

You buy drugs. Do you know who you are supporting by buying those drugs? Criminals. And the longer you trace the money the shadier the people get. The kingpins you support aren't typically what you would consider "good people." So get over yourself.


[2 Points] drugs_4_sale:

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[1 Points] suchpls:

Then how about dont use it? whining on reddit doesn't do anything.


[1 Points] gethrowd:

It's nice to see a thought out piece of writing here, it's clear that you're coming from the right place. The core of what you're saying that you've encountered a moral crossroads and identified areas where you need to improve yourself. I've experienced and ruminated on these moral questions many times.

I disagree with you on your objections, however. Morality is never black and white and I think your views, though virtuous, lack some "real world" thinking and experience.

I say morality is never black and white, we live in a world that is not moral, it is survival of the fittest. The companies who lose money from fraud do not operate morally, it's near impossible to survive in business with pure morality, this is an inherent reality.

Your entire environment; the trees that make your furniture, the meat in your fridge, the gas you put in your car; all caused suffering to some living creature at some point, sometimes excessive and brutal suffering. With factory farmed meat think of the suffering those animals endure, or the big company overcharging the public and using slave labor, is that really worse than someone who has to order a new credit card? I agree with you that fraud where the person don't get their money back is bad, but most fraud the hit is taken by big businesses.

What I'm sayin is, it's not "right" but it's impossible to survive without some moral compromises. You have to do bad shit to survive and thrive, just remember to pick your poison of your poison will pick you.


[1 Points] None:

It simple..... for those of you that disagree with what most DNM'S sell or condone, keep>Hello fellow travellers of the shady web! I just noticed that I have been severely stupid & evil in the past and I'd ask you to take a minute and see if you agree.

I believe there's nothing morally wrong with drugs, at least if, for the moment, we disregard the effects addiction can have on family and those pesky drug wars. But I am sure you have at some point taken a curious stroll through the more exotic merchandise also available on AB and some other markets: carding, fraud, fake documents, the occasional semi-automatic.

My obvious point is: these are the ingredients for crimes that are most definitely not victimless, and by continuing to spend coin on these markets, you become complicit, you create suffering.

Let me start with the second point, i. e. what effect do your drug trades have on these other deals? It's quite easy, actually: drugs probably account for the majority of AB's revenue and without that revenue stream, they would have a hard time financing the software development and infrastructure that also runs the real crimes.

In addition, if enough people would shun these misery-peddling marketplaces, the markets would have to decide. With drugs being the better business, they would probably abandon these sideshows.

But how are those activities harming people? Oh, let me count the ways:

Being a victim of identity theft can ruin a life. With your credit score ruined, you're liable to lose your house, job, car and, by extension, family and social life. You can end up on the street or in jail, either because you cannot prove that someone else commited crimes in your name or because you had to resort to crime after losing everything. I'm sure a bit of googling will give you examples of victims who fell so deep that they took their own life – all just to finance some Belorussian's beamer.

Even the smaller-scale credit card fraud isn't victimless: yes, the banks usually eat the fraudulent charges. But that only means that the loss is spread among everyone. The next time you use your credit card to fill up your car, remember that 2% of that price goes to the credit card companies, and part of that fee is needed to offset the losses these fuckers on AB caused.

There aren't very many moral reasons to aquire fake birth certificates. These documents are used by criminals to escape the law. There's some rapist lying on a beach right now who would be in jail if he had not had the opportunity to easily order a fake passport online.

I know the situation in the US is different, but at least in Europe it's extremely hard to aquire weapons. I know that this is probably not what happened in Paris, but at some point there will be a guy spraying a café with Alphabay-branded bullets who would otherwise had only had access to a less-letal switchblade.

So for these reasons, I ask you to use your power to clean up these markets. Being a recreational user of some fun chemicals doesn't make you a natural ally of murderers and plunderers. Make some noise and watch them change.

Hello fellow travellers of the shady web! I just noticed that I have been severely stupid & evil in the past and I'd ask you to take a minute and see if you agree.

I believe there's nothing morally wrong with drugs, at least if, for the moment, we disregard the effects addiction can have on family and those pesky drug wars. But I am sure you have at some point taken a curious stroll through the more exotic merchandise also available on AB and some other markets: carding, fraud, fake documents, the occasional semi-automatic.

My obvious point is: these are the ingredients for crimes that are most definitely not victimless, and by continuing to spend coin on these markets, you become complicit, you create suffering.

Let me start with the second point, i. e. what effect do your drug trades have on these other deals? It's quite easy, actually: drugs probably account for the majority of AB's revenue and without that revenue stream, they would have a hard time financing the software development and infrastructure that also runs the real crimes.

In addition, if enough people would shun these misery-peddling marketplaces, the markets would have to decide. With drugs being the better business, they would probably abandon these sideshows.

But how are those activities harming people? Oh, let me count the ways:

Being a victim of identity theft can ruin a life. With your credit score ruined, you're liable to lose your house, job, car and, by extension, family and social life. You can end up on the street or in jail, either because you cannot prove that someone else commited crimes in your name or because you had to resort to crime after losing everything. I'm sure a bit of googling will give you examples of victims who fell so deep that they took their own life – all just to finance some Belorussian's beamer.

Even the smaller-scale credit card fraud isn't victimless: yes, the banks usually eat the fraudulent charges. But that only means that the loss is spread among everyone. The next time you use your credit card to fill up your car, remember that 2% of that price goes to the credit card companies, and part of that fee is needed to offset the losses these fuckers on AB caused.

There aren't very many moral reasons to aquire fake birth certificates. These documents are used by criminals to escape the law. There's some rapist lying on a beach right now who would be in jail if he had not had the opportunity to easily order a fake passport online.

I know the situation in the US is different, but at least in Europe it's extremely hard to aquire weapons. I know that this is probably not what happened in Paris, but at some point there will be a guy spraying a café with Alphabay-branded bullets who would otherwise had only had access to a less-letal switchblade.

So for these reasons, I ask you to use your power to clean up these markets. Being a recreational user of some fun chemicals doesn't make you a natural ally of murderers and plunderers. Make some noise and watch them change.

It simple..... for those of you that disagree with what most DNM'S sell or condone, keep your sorry asses on E-bay, Amazon or even better yet, overstock.com.

See, simple! No need to ride your high horses and judge people or markets. Who the f!CK are you to judge!

Xanadu


[1 Points] None:

It simple..... for those of you that disagree with what most DNM'S sell or condone, keep your sorry asses on E-bay, Amazon or even better yet, overstock.com.

See, simple! No need to ride your high horses and judge people or markets. Who the f!CK are you to judge!

Xanadu


[0 Points] Evo-Doner:

See this is where you sound like a complete retard just like 99% of the drug users here, you are all butter and cream because drugs is a victimless crime and the fraudsters are making people commit suicide because they lose their house, car, etc. Let me tell you something, I got my credit cards stolen 3 times, not one time have I been left broke because of the fraudster that got them, granted I did wait some days until I was credited back the money that was stolen, so yes, fraud is a victimless crime unless, well, if you consider banks that steal from everybody a victim. Now back to your drug usage being victimless, that's just bullshit, y'all lying to yourselves just like a smoker lying that he won't get lung cancer, drugs, 90% of them, have a severe negative impact on your body when consumed, the only drug I have knowledge of being relatively "harmless" is weed, but the rest, all the pills, the powders, the fucking syringes, they all harm your stupid ass. You inject, take and snort(except organic stuff) synthetic shit and you lie to yourself that it's harmless.

The way I see it, let's just leave the retarded hipocrisy behind and just get along, remember what a poor american black said once "can't we all just get along", because after all, both parties do the shit we do from the same reasons more or less, that we are unhappy with our lives.


[0 Points] None:

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[-1 Points] Sysol:

Guns are necessary to keep the government in check, and to defend your property against crime. Unfortunately the gov't denies many people their right to own guns for simple drug possession charges.

These documents are used by criminals to escape the law.

Fuck the law. The less it can be enforced the better.


[-1 Points] beatthemarket:

retarded hippy lol


[-1 Points] drugs_4_sale:

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[-1 Points] Anti-Hero_AU:

Remember: Guns don't kill people. People kill people.