The real story behind Evolution. IT'S SCAM AND ADMIN IS THIEF!

Till almost 2 weeks ago I was a vendor (DiazNL) at Evolution with 96% + feedback and 158 sells in 2 months time. One day I tried to log in and I saw a very strange message: "this account has been disabled" I thought with myself. FUCK.... They robbed me. I sent a message to them and here below you see their response.

Hello

It seems my account has been deactivated! I could understand it if you had told me I couldn't work in your market any more but I still have lots of money I should still get. It's totally unfair! I won't sell anything any more and remove all my listings but you can give me the opportunity to collect the money from items I've already sold and sent. I have sent a lot of stuff but haven't got the money yet as it's in escrow. I don't want to sell and you may remove my listings but what about my money that's still in escrow and it's actually mine?

DiazNL

Moderator themostseekrit Jun 22, 2014 16:15 UTC Hi,

This is not unfair at all in our opinion. I am questioning whether or not you actually sent those orders, as we have handled way too many disputes and complaints from you for you not to have a problem. On top of that, your conduct is extremely unprofessional and not fit for a vendor here. For these reason, we have suspended your account, and as a result the money in escrow has been refunded to your buyers.

Thank you for your understanding.

Thanks for understanding??? Stealing my money and blocking my account without any warning needs my understanding?! Way too many dispute? I've made a copy of my dashboard and it's clear I had at that time 96% + feedback. What do they call "too many disputes"?? Even if it was the case (that's absolutely NOT) they could warn me to stop selling, collect my money and leave, right? Why blocking my account without warning? Does it have any other name than scam and stealing?? After a while and exchanging some mails with these scammers I've noticed something interesting. The sentence construction and words these "different" guys use were amazingly similar. To make the long story short, I've come to the conclusion that the whole website runs with very few people. I guess 3-4 very young persons. They use lots of nicknames and make lots of fake accounts as buyers and vendors. THE ONLY VENDORS who amazingly enough have 100% + feedback out of 300-400 sells are these guys themselves. Feedbacks are fake. No one with some brain can believe that a vendor has sold 300-400 items without any negative feedback! These vendors (so the admin of site themselves) are the only who have the right to FE. I was a successful vendor with lots of satisfied customers and they started losing their own customers so they just stole my money and blocked my account. Kimble, themostseekrit (as operator and owner!) or ryphz111 as buyer are all same people. One person with lots of different titles and names. If you just look at those titles you think you have a huge international company dealing with. Lots of administrators, operators, customer service, CEO's etc. LOL

DO YOUR HOMEWORK and NEVER put lot of money in your wallet no matter which market you go in. AND ....... STAY AWAY FROM Evolution. They will ROB YOU soon or late!


Comments


[21 Points] None:

I'm truly not seeing a valid complaint here from OP. If anything, it gives me an understanding that admin is paying attention and made a decision that sides with buyers, which a vast majority of subscribers here are doing - they outnumber vendors hugely.

No matter what someone position about the origin and admins of Evo would be, it's not at all relevant here. A vendor with recent complains was suspended, and disputed funds returned to the buyers disputing. I think it was a responsible decision and I would prefer to know they err on the side of the users.

And for the record: I have never used Evo myself, so I don't have a pre-existing opinion of them whatsoever. I don't have any relationship with them I am defending here. This is simply my observation of this thread right here and now.


[19 Points] UndefinedExperience:

The fact that Evolution is run by a bunch of carders and thieves isn't enough for people to suspect theft eventually in the first place? Whether you are lying or telling the truth, still doesn't change the fact that Evo is run by thieves either way. Evo evolved out of carding and fraud forums but you trust these guys with your money, if this is you, consider yourself a dumb fuck.


[20 Points] _Boogie_:

Hi everyone :)

This is Boogie from Evolution. I'm in charge of Public Relations and the moderator of our sub-reddit /r/evolutionmarket

As you all notice, DiazNL is a former vendor at our market. From his post, he is very upset with us and even makes ridiculous claims that the staff, admins, and even a great portion of the customers are under the control of a few individuals. This is just beyond absurd for one of the top markets to even consider wasting their time doing. Evolution is here for the long run and have proven ourselves very trustworthy, reliable, and very well maintained market. We all work very hard for Evolution to be one of the best markets for everybody.

As of right now, we have over 70,000 users that have little to no problems with Evolution's community. Please feel free to check out our forums and sub-reddit, you will hardly ever find someone who would remotely think we are a bunch of rippers. We would never do that.

So going back to DiazNL. He is a truly unprofessional and unkind person. We received numerous disputes form the vendor regarding no receiving products, sending items that were very poor quality then what the cusomter paid for, and even threatened customers as well.

The Admin Kimble posted the reasons why DiazNL was banned as well. I'll go ahead and post some of those statements DiazNL gave :)

I keep the addresses of buyers who claim they don't receive their products and never sell anything to people like you again. You order one gram weed and you'll get a full refund even IT'S CLEARLY EXPLAINED I don't give Refund and still complaining??? Amazing!!"

I'll start a war against you people tonight and I'm fair to tell you what I'm gonna do. As I said I will go all over the net and make a hell of your website and its reputation. Wait and you'll be surprised to see what I can and will do.

You know yourselves that you're a bunch of young idiots who live in virtual world and behind the real life and street. I'm 49 and know lots of people. Hitmen, international criminals and what ever you might think. I know hackers too. I know that you use tor and you think you're safe. It might be true as long as you don't make a mistake but everybody does and as stupid son of the bitches like this motherfucker themostseekrit are working with you it will happen soon. I might have to spend lots of money to hurt you assholes but fuck it. It's my rule and my way of doing business. I'm fair and honest. If you fuckers were not blind you could see it. I have lots of disputes? Motherfucker I have 96% + feedback. Those diputes most of them are liars and there might be few who didn't really get the order but it's not my fault as I send every order. Ok....... you were >trying to be assholes and you succeeded.

Back to story means if you fuck with me I will fuck you UP. Maybe you're lucky and I can't find you but I put a sign on every one of you and if you just MAKE ONE SMALL MISTAKE that can help finding your real identities YOU'RE FINISHED. I will pass your details to cops and they put you in jail when your nice asses will be raped 10 times a day. I will follow your footprint every where on net..... Or you give me my money back or I will send you one more message to inform you it's begun.

Dickhead retards!

Please tell me, would you want to conduct business with a vendor like this? This guy is one of the worst vendors I've ever had to deal with. We also have never kept any of the coin as he stated. all the coin that was in transaction when we disabled his account was returned to customers. I do apologize that you all had to read this delusional person's rant. But believe me when I say that Evolution community is so much better without DiazNL :)


[10 Points] _Kimble:

Hi, my name is Kimble and I'm one of the owners of Evolution. First of all, let me (re-)clarify why your account was disabled. We received multiple complaints about you being a (very) rude vendor, intimidating and threatening your buyers, and most importantly, being a scammer. If anything, you broke multiple rules of the Evolution T&C and on balance we decided it best to be better off without the likes of you.

As for our roots, it gets really old to bring this up on every possible occassion, really. Yes, we evolved from carding forum, but we never made a secret about it. If anything, it seems a largely irrelevant argument. I mean look at Atlantis, Sheep, TE, SR, etc.


[10 Points] woktogo:

This bit is suspicious:

"I could understand it if you had told me I couldn't work in your market any more but I still have lots of money I should still get. It's totally unfair! I won't sell anything any more and remove all my listings but you can give me the opportunity to collect the money from items I've already sold and sent."

I have a feeling that OP is not telling us everything. Why give up so easily? Smells like guilt of something.


[6 Points] synikal12:

Trust a marketplace lead by thieves they said. Your money will always be safe with us they said.


[4 Points] None:

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[3 Points] None:

I'm not so sure about the FE bit. The owners/admins are NOT the only ones with have accounts with 100% feedback. I myself have seen a few FE demanding vendors who are NOT the owners/admins. E.G. Cornettos, he's been a vendor on SR and now SR2 as well as other markets like Agora (i think). Your other claims may or may not have basis but this claim certainly does not IMO


[3 Points] BlazedPan:

This thread was also posted on the Evo forums and apparently you had a very bad customer service and on top of that, you mixed your weed with tobacco.


[2 Points] dippinsmoke:

Yep I got robbed and they said tuff luck haha... That place fuckin sucks


[2 Points] emperorlarsob:

I'm waiting to see what Boogie et al have to say about this or if they're just going to stay away from this thread.


[2 Points] justForTony:

where are all these customers that supposedly got refunded. I know not every customer uses reddit. But since this was supposed to be a big vendor with lots of customers. It makes it hard to believe not one person has come to say yes I got refunded from this guy.


[1 Points] R4ID:

what were you even selling?


[1 Points] Riskyshot:

Just wondering, around how much money did you lose?


[1 Points] piratoOliver:

does mutli-sig mean the customer and the market had to sign to take the coins? were all the customers in escrow dissatisfied?


[1 Points] earthmoonsun:

Selective scamming would hurt a market more than the short-term profit. For DNMs good reputation is essential for growth and earning lots of provision. I think there are only 2 strategies that make sense. Either be 100% honest or be honest for some time and then suddenly run away with everyone's money and disappear forever.


[1 Points] bizude:

I ordered some coke & weed from you. The coke sucked ass and the weed never arrived.


[0 Points] 13tom13:

i think im gunna watch the site for a while and take some time away from using until this, see if this happens again


[-1 Points] Cixylsyd:

I've never used Evolution essentially because the captcha was too much a hassle at first and it just seems like there's a big potential there for scammers and worse with the low vending fees etc. That being said, wow OP you do a really shitty job at drumming up community support. Were you just banking on nobody from Evolution coming to reddit to argue or hoping no one would recognize you as shady? Even if we couldn't verify the bullshit you sent to them about hit men raddaradda cartel blah blah, there are still people who've had disputes with you and it's easy enough to tell the difference between a selective scammer crying foul and a truly wronged vendor. As others have said, you strike me as some pussy kid who probably resells shitty weed and picked up some buzzwords off a video game or drug movie. Nobody with even half a brain emails someone (over an encrypted network no less) to threaten then with "hit men" and shit like that. Have fun selling oregano to high schoolers, see you on the Cops highlight reel someday.


[-7 Points] DiazNL:

Ok. It seems I need to clarify some facts. I see here again Kimbel or whoever he/she is. First of all the way of his writing is totally different. I have a copy of his/her previous mails and every idiot can see these 2 texts are written by different persons. The Kimbel here has a better English as “themostseekrit” and “Kimbel” (both same person) who replied my mails and were both using pathetic English (worse than mine ;-) and I know no retard who use “brutally honest” 3 times in each paragraph is he does!! (I still have those mails as proof) Yeah. That’s right that I used lots of F.. words to you people and I think it’s not that strange when you wake up one day, try to log in to your account an then see it’s blocked and almost 1000USD of ur money is gone. You thieves didn’t warn me, did you? Have you told me you would disable (your words) my account if I keep doing this or that? That I kept doing?? NO…. EVEN….. I repeat as it seems you’re really bunch of idiots…. EVEN if that was the case, you have NO RIGHT to keep the money that was mine and then send it back to buyers (if the buyers were not fake and you were behind those fake nicknames). Just let’s imagine the buyer were real. Are you blind Kimbel? I had 96% + feedback out of almost 160 sells. So many satisfied customers who came with me to Agora and sent me their sympathies as they could see too you’re scammers and thieves. I even sent you some of those mails (without mentioning their name as you would probably stole the money of their wallets too). How can you cancel the order of buyer and send his money back when it’s been sent?? Cancellation is before any action so when the order is not sent!! Again…. I doubt if you even did that. I there were no buyers who started claiming except yourselves. You keep repeating that I have lots of disputes. I asked you once same question. How can you call it a lot when someone has 96% + feedback? You simply can’t and it’s just one of your bullshits!! Now we go to the other point as I wrote in one feedback that I kept the addresses. Why did I do that? Because I had realized you weren’t gonna protect my money. Everyone can use a new nickname and start scamming me but finding a new drop point and address is not that easy. The fact is that I kept those addressee in a very safe way. They were kept as an encrypted file on a locked USB (truecrypt) so they were pretty safe. STILL …… I stopped doing that as you with your 2nd name themostseekrit told me it was against ur policy. I wrote to you exactly: I don’t agree with it but I do as you wish because it’s your market and ur rules. I started keeping addresses when you canceled the order of a buyer (most probably was you or one of your people so a fake buyer). I sent that buyer 60-70 EUR of stuff. I think he was often on meth and most of times psychotic :-) he wrote once that he didn’t get anything from me and that’s the reason of dispute. Just 3 mails after that (the next day) he wrote that it was shitty and bad quality etc. and worth not more than 50% of the price. You were monitoring our mail-exchange so could see that too. What you did as admin? You sent his money back by “canceling” his order (the same retard definition that you have from cancelling). I even wrote to you and asked you to read his words that he first said he got nothing and then said he got it… it was obvious for a 8 yrs old kid that he was lying. Ok…. It’s getting too long and I can imagine most of readers need a painkiller for headache now ;-) Yes I told you I was gonna go public and tell the whole internet what kind of assholes you people are. What else do you expect? People need to know who you are and how you run your fake business. Should I have just gone away and let you do the same with other people?


[-11 Points] popopopopopooookkk:

why would you trust any site without multisig, shows their true intentions