If someone wanted to setup a non-profit vendor account to sell drug harm reduction supplies, such as Narcan, clean needles or other types of things that can be hard to obtain for some people/states how do you think it should be setup?

So, back when Abrax forums were up, a few people in the Heroin thread came to a great idea of setting up an account to sell Narcan to people who can't get it in their state or area without the police at your door or some other craziness. Seriously, this leads to people dropping OD'd people off at the hospital, not doing anything at all or worse things.

It's possible for someone to get Narcan over the counter now, and resell it for no profit (yes, hard to believe, I know) for the purpose of harm reduction. Well, that is just the main one I know that is hard to get. Perhaps making detox kits or something similar to what /u/GrandWizardsLair has made in the past to help people quit opiates. But again, the more ideas that I get, I'd be willing to do other harm reduction stuff for other drugs, I simply am just not that well versed with those types of harm reduction methods.

I'm not new to DNMs, but never considered vending before and am a bit uneasy about doing it myself, in fact, I don't want to do it myself as sad as it sounds, but could if there is literally no other way.

Would you guys be interested in this, do you think it could work? How would you do it? What are some tips or anything really. I'm just brainstorming right now and would like everyone's input on this to make it as painless as possible and of course full transparency when it comes to it being non-profit.

The buyer would simply purchase whatever harm reduction items they need, pay for shipping and it would be delivered in a timely fashion, like we all are accustomed to.

I think it's worth it, but I don't want to go to pound me in the ass jail because I want to help people, so I'd need to have ever base covered before I do this, if I even did it at all. I could simply supply the Narcan and someone more professional could handle it.

Thanks for reading!

Edit: wow one hour in and so many people have come forth to help out. This means a lot guys, thank you for the brilliant ideas and reassurance that people support this idea. I really do mean it, thank you guys!

Edit 2: Thank you everybody who has contributed thus far. It would appear I am not quite ready to do this quite yet. I have much to learn and there has many great counter-points or just concerns in general. It's possible there is already another account that is going to be providing Narcan, among other harm reduction supplies in the works as well. Thanks again guys, but feel free to post harm prevention ideas still, lots off good stuff came out of this thread and really dig the positively and thoughtfulness put into many of your comments. This is the DNM I know and love, so it's good to see you again!


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[28 Points] aboutthednm:

I don't know if i would trust Narcan from a DNM at all, we're talking about lives here.

"0/5 did not bring my buddy back to life RIP"

"5/5 FE'd Will update later"

so whaddaya do?


[7 Points] None:

Out of curiousity, are any harm-reduction supplies actually illegal?

Edit: excluding detox kits, I'm assuming


[5 Points] TheOpiateKing:

I was the one sending out free narcan on Avnegers until they changed their rules. If anyone still wants some, you can verify my pgp key on nucleus and message me (opiateking88)


[5 Points] coffeencreme:

You should speak to tracey on the opiates sub, she does something like this on the clearnet. I cant remember her username its traceyh something but she is a mod over there so you will get it in the mod list in the /r/opiates sidebar.


[3 Points] None:

such a great idea


[3 Points] None:

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[3 Points] noonehear:

I'm sure bartards (and other people addicted to various drugs) would also be interested in tapering kits. If I did heroin there is no way I'd shoot up without narcan right next to me...


[3 Points] None:

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[3 Points] swolemedic:

Paramedic here, I'd like to say that narcan is NOT a replacement for taking someone to the ER nor does it necessarily work as well as you'd expect. If for example the user took fentanyl, a fentanyl analog, or just dope cut with fentanyl the odds are that 2mg of narcan (a rescue dose) will not be sufficient and narcan overdoses can be quite deadly as well.

Narcan should be used as an adjunct, something to try to help hold you over until help gets there, not as a replacement.


[2 Points] Shill_Bill:

From the accounting perspective you need to register a dn501c3 to protect yourself. Shoot me a pm and I'll get you in contact wit one of my firms lawyers. My firms deals with this all the time.


[2 Points] tizztabz:

/u/inabyrdcage


[2 Points] Devoid_:

No I think you'd be harming people with the narcan. It requires some education as its intra-muscular. Im certified to have narcan in NY and at the training course the instructor said they naxalone emts use is 20x stronger than what they give us so you can't overdue it. A person can receive narcan and believe their fine then continue to OD hours later. After you administer it, you need to call the ambulance. Period it's someone's life fuck trying to handle it on your own. If you sell the diluted narcan than people will use it, think they're buddies fine just to watch them die 4 hours later


[2 Points] loveisrealnfa:

When I read your post, I got an overwhelming smell of b.s.


[2 Points] hog_master:

I support this.


[2 Points] OldschoolSR:

I brought my grandma and an ex out of diabetic coma with a needle...I know drugs and sugar...all I'm saying is you'll save some lives.


[2 Points] WhosThatWhosWho:

I've also thought about putting together MDMA supplement kits, but they are already on the clear net :/


[1 Points] DruggieKitten:

I'd be willing to work with you to sell the narcan but I cant accept packages from you now that you know my vendor name. Feds would like that information too much....

I could accept the orders and you could ship them though. You would still have to be careful with fingerprints and shit because what you are doing is illegal in some areas, sadly, and DruggieKitten is involved in shipping illegal substances and all.

The biggest problem is that bitcoins fluctuate too much. If you don't sell them for profit, you will sell them at a loss. I don't know how much narcan costs as I don't believe I live somewhere where it's legal over the counter.

Sometimes vendors lose a good deal of profit while an order is in escrow due to bitcoin values falling, and all. You'd need to charge atleast 1.5 times, if not twice what they're worth. But you could just accumulate the profit and use it to lower prices later on/pad against possible losses, and not actually use it to make money off it. Don't forget about your expenses to buy the things, the gas to drive to the pharmacy and all.

Also, my offer to do business with you is putting my reputation on the line, as I don't know you and I'd have to trust you to actually ship the things and all.

Also, you're going to have to cash all your bitcoin out, to get money to buy more narcan, since they arent going to take bitcoin at the pharmacy most likely. You MIGHT be able to buy gift cards through gyft.com for a place that you can buy it from, though. I believe you can get walmart gift cards there.

Also, how much of it are the pharmacies willing to sell you?

Finally, you might be able to get a market to waive the vendor fee. Hansa would be my suggestion, as it seems to be run by cool people.


[1 Points] None:

Considering how scary it is to see this IRL even...why don't we prevent these users from feeling like "Oh, it's ok, my friends will save my life if..." Because even this poor girl was surprised someone cared enough to save her life....why don't we actually try to help these people? Try to find the underlying cause that keeps this using? Turn their life around. I've talked to people who have gone through this. They've bought so many of the 'Fuck Heroin' hat pins from me...and surprisingly are more than half of the people that do buy them from me. Just stop.

https://youtu.be/D01NHPnLrVs

But I feel for these people still. Even though I've told not to. Even though, in some ways, I really don't care. But take this fellow for instance:

https://youtu.be/2yyHvhof0ls

I give him negative opsec points. He's lucky this trooper knew what to look for. "Yea, yea, I've done it before"....

This is why I say fuck dope. And we wonder why they bust dealers still....don't see anyone trying to pass a "legalize heroin" bill anywhere do we? And I know, this is meant for much more than heroin. What about truckers that fall asleep at the wheel? I guess they need more meth huh? Maybe what they had wasn't good enough, could a vendor please start targeting the trucker community please? sarcasm

https://youtu.be/03HLZk2hWzw


[1 Points] octomarvel:

Hey op, what was your old vendor name again?

=)


[1 Points] SunnyHours89:

You just gave me a very good idea for Canada :)


[1 Points] yawningangel:

There's a redditor doing something similar..

https://archive.is/y1GbY


[1 Points] 2005C:

All our cops carry it now, OD's are a regular occurrence in my neck of the woods.


[1 Points] Hank_Vendor:

Good idea. But you will still get fucking locked up to fuck if they catch you i bet. Wankers.


[1 Points] deathgriphold:

ughhhhhh IV drugs how do people do it ughghghgh


[1 Points] NaloxoneRescue:

I started a nonprofit harm reduction supplies and naloxone distribution coalition. I can probably answer most questions you have


[-3 Points] None:

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