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[–][deleted] 29 points30 points  (29 children)

Deny, deny, deny till you die. That's the motto.

[–]RacistConspiracy 33 points34 points  (12 children)

It's much better not to say anything than it is to say something false.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (4 children)

No that's what I'm saying. Deny any and all knowledge of the package. You didn't order shit.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (3 children)

Which would be false if he did order something. You dont have to say shit. Denying would be lying

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (1 child)

I know you don't have to say anything. When I was arrested I didn't speak till I had a lawyer.

[–]uberyeti 2 points3 points  (0 children)

In the UK, under the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act of 1994, section 36, not answering the police's questions can be taken as an admission of guilt.

You do not have to say anything to police beyond your name, address and so on when questioned, but if the police ask "Are these drugs yours?" and you don't answer, they can understandably find that very suspicious.

[–]LongLiveThe_KingIAMA Shill AMAA 0 points1 point  (6 children)

Yep, remember Casey Anthony.

[–]a-gent-provocateur 3 points4 points  (5 children)

firefox ftw too

[–]LongLiveThe_KingIAMA Shill AMAA 0 points1 point  (4 children)

What?

[–]a-gent-provocateur 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Just adding a reference to the police search of her computer. They only checked her IE history and missed a bunch of incriminating history in firefox.

[–]Nickk_Jones 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Why the hell?

[–]LongLiveThe_KingIAMA Shill AMAA 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh, I vaguely remember that on the news.

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    [–]HeWhoWas 7 points8 points  (2 children)

    When you've dealt with the cops a few times it gets much easier to say no. In fact, it can even be amusing in some situations where everyone involved knows that you're lying but they can't do anything about it. My favourite line from my SR interview was:

    Cop: "Can you see how we believe that you ordered these drugs? They were delivered to your house with your name, and you have a previous history of being arrested with illicit substances (Marijauana)."

    Me: "Well, given no other information I could understand how you come to that conclusion. Though seeing as I'm sitting here telling you that did not happen, you do have more information."

    I think the rest of what I said more or less amounted to "No comment."

    Edit - I was not arrested nor charged for anything. I was berated for wasting their time by 'agreeing to come in for an interview, and then refusing to say anything.'

    [–]Nickk_Jones 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    They called and asked for an interview? Why?

    [–]WarParakeet 6 points7 points  (0 children)

    It's really not that hard. Just stay cool and if they start questioning you, lawyer the fuck up. You still have plausible deniability because anyone can send you shit unsolicited. Talk to your lawyer and let them speak for you.

    [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (9 children)

    That's so fucked up :(

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      [–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (7 children)

      People on here have a lot to say about controlled deliveries that you should take with a pinch of salt. Different countries have different procedures.

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          [–]77565Buying/Selling drugs doesn't need to make you a bad person 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          Where did you live? Is it fair to say that the police would be more underutilised in a village/town rather than a city? And that therefore cities would be 'safer'?

          [–]reaperx2 0 points1 point  (1 child)

          Also, keep in mind this story is coming from an indirect source. I'm sure most people are aware of how stories change when passed on. Its best to wait for more information before jumping to conclusions.

          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Actually, not saying anything is something better- after originally denying of course.

          [–]reaperx2 4 points5 points  (1 child)

          Here in the US, you will still probably be arrested even if you deny and have to go to court where you would have the opportunity to fight the charges. Basically, the point is being arrested and convicted are not the same.

          I'm pretty sure this concept would apply to the UK or any other western society. If the person had a clean house and no record there is a chance he could be acquitted.

          [–]Chris_159 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          I've been involved in an investigation once - nothing drug related, a friend was (falsley) accused of molesting someone and another friend and I had spent the evening with them and we're pulled in as witnesses.

          He was arrested and released on bail, but the case never went to court. They were waiting on dna evidence which didn't turn up. The officers I spoke to told me that they don't prosecute unless they are fairly sure they will get a conviction. So plausible deniablilty probably won't stop you from being arrested, but it should get you out of being prosecuted and going to court.

          Bear in mind, he still has this arrest on his record and can never work with kids now (was a scout leader), even though it was a false accusation and there was no evidence other than the guy who accused him (whilst off his face on absinthe, no less). So if a totally clean record is important to you, it's still a risk.

          [–]reaperx2 5 points6 points  (2 children)

          OP, you may want to modify the numbers somewhat because you could be implicating them because you do mention it was from the SR. Also, some of those details are kind of specific.

          [–]throwaway_1821[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          Thanks, I was thinking it was getting a bit specific too.

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            [–]Seishuu5HydroxyTryptamine 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Right.

            [–]klose99bassline junkie 1 point2 points  (1 child)

            Interested to hear more info on this, certainly want more info on the volume of the order.

            [–]ldma 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Moral of the story... order domestically and this won't happen in the UK

            [–]ldma 1 point2 points  (0 children)

            Moral of the story... order domestically and this won't happen in the UK

            [–]ldma 0 points1 point  (0 children)

            Moral of the story... order domestically and this won't happen in the UK

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              [–]throwaway_1821[S] 5 points6 points  (4 children)

              Update: it was pills, from abroad

              [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

              Shit man, this is not good news

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                [–]th3d0n 0 points1 point  (1 child)

                Probably Larghetto or another middleman vendor with zero control over packaging of the product.

                [–]th3d0n -2 points-1 points  (6 children)

                So basically it was interdicted and your "indirectly known person" fucked up the receipt of the package.

                How is this alarming at all for the Silk Road or its users? It reflects nothing about the site's security and anonymity and everything about the stupidity of the person.

                These kinds of threads should just be deleted. I don't see why they receive the high visibility that they do when they are almost always scarce on information and always, always demonstrate a poor decision or chain of them by the perpetrator of the crime.

                The FBI reports a drug arrest happens in the US every 18 seconds. I can't imagine the UK is that far off.

                So another person got arrested with drugs... this has to be of concern to the SR community because???

                [–]throwaway_1821[S] 2 points3 points  (5 children)

                Because I'm raising awareness. If this sort of thing had happened to someone I didn't know of, in another part of the UK, I'd definitely want to know about it. I knew it wouldn't be long for someone to make a comment like this. It's certainly made me think twice about making large orders, which could be pretty invaluable to some people. Especially since it happened in my area and the police seem to be treating it pretty damn seriously. And since this only happened yesterday, and the guys have been held for questioning, of course information is going to be scarce. I have edited my posts on this thread (I admit, I am a bit paranoid to be posting it all on here), but there is more information to it than you've probably seen, and it came straight from the people that live with him, I have absolutely no reason to exaggerate any of the information, I am only posting this for the purpose of the community.

                A lot of people aren't very well read up on SR, like this guy who's been arrested, but so long as vendors from abroad offer large quantities at cheap prices, people are still going to order, probably mindless about the consequences - like this guy. Let this be a cautionary tale.

                [–]th3d0n -3 points-2 points  (4 children)

                Awareness of what? Being a dumb criminal? It's not a cautionary tale at all.

                As an SR user, you're buying drugs on the internet. It's a crime. Sometimes seen as smuggling on an international scale.

                There are dumb criminals and smart criminals.

                You can read up on SR all day and still be a dumb criminal.

                You can be a smart criminal, too, and get caught.

                Either way, if you are going to commit a crime, be ready to hold yourself responsible for the mistakes that lead you getting caught.

                It's been widely known for years that the mail service has (and continues) to be used for narcotics and contraband trafficking. Everyone is aware.

                [–]throwaway_1821[S] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

                Well, raising awareness of the fact it happened for a start.

                'First, a taboo or prohibition is stated: some act, location, or thing is said to be dangerous. Then, the narrative itself is told: someone disregarded the warning and performed the forbidden act. Finally, the violator comes to an unpleasant fate, which is frequently related in expansive and grisly detail.' Cautionary tale, from wikipedia.

                • Taboo - drugs/silk road/having things delivered
                • Someone has disregarded this - the guy that's ordered
                • Unpleasant fate - he has been arrested.

                And I'm relaying the information on, sounds like a cautionary tale to me, people can learn from this. I have learnt from this.

                Yes there are dumb and smart criminals, but since silk road has recently had a lot of publicity, more and more people are starting to use it, and now not your average user who has read up an awful lot about it (wasn't there an article about something like a 14 year old ordering? I really doubt he considered how serious of a crime it is) - yes they should do, but unfortunately a lot of people don't. But hopefully, with threads like these, it'll make others think twice about what they're doing - which you seem to be suggesting is a bad thing. A lot of people order big quantities from abroad - all you need to do is look at vendors feedback to see evidence of this. Let this be a lesson to them.

                And before I discovered silk road, I'd never really thought about how mail service had been used for drugs. Yes it's obvious, but the thought just never really occurred to me, and I'm sure this is the case for plenty of people.

                This arrest has plenty of implications - maybe the vendor got busted and they had access to a list of addresses? Maybe the guys house had been flagged. Maybe the guys questioned will talk about SR to the police. We don't know yet.

                The point is, there is no way I am going to hear about a story like this and not post something about it - why on earth would I? Especially since it's the first SR related arrest that I've heard of in the UK. It serves as a pretty good reminder to some people to be cautious when ordering from abroad - not EVERYONE bares the actual severity of those risks in mind when having the novelty of the availability to a plethora of drugs that they had never been able to get their hands on before, at such prices too. You can get found. It does happen. It could be you. The whole site is so brazen that it can be easy to overlook.

                [–]th3d0n -1 points0 points  (1 child)

                And it's these inherent facts that one takes on as risks when one engages in business with SR.

                It may be a cautionary tale for you it sounds like, but please, this place will be quickly swimming in paranoia if people continuing posting these baseless and worthless "I know someone who got arrested" threads.

                [–]throwaway_1821[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

                That's very true, it's difficult to find the right balance. Although, you can never be too cautious. But this thread is certainly not worthless.

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