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[–]MrHhhiiiooo 51 points52 points  (3 children)

Just checked Erowid and you may wanna dissolve it in alcohol rather than water if you're planning on storing it for longer periods of time because apparently the amount of oxygen in water can cause noticeable degradation. Just a thought. Love the idea that since scientists aren't allowed to experiment with illegal drugs like LSD that the underground community has taken it upon themselves to conduct the experiments. Glad you're helping yourself and the community. Thank you :)

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Also lower potency/mass LSD has a hard time forming solution in water. Ethanol is the way to go here, people use it to lay the crystal for a reason.

[–][deleted] 41 points42 points  (5 children)

This is the only drug experiment I've ever read on /r/drugs that I will most definitely 100% try. Don't have depression consistently, but I do get down sometimes. I'm taking next year off, surfing and exploring in Central America. I think I'll do this for a whole month and see what happens. Thank you VERY much for the insight and idea.

[–]youaretheplague 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Let us know how it goes!

[–]Otters_arent_real 12 points13 points  (1 child)

I can't even imagine the freedom in being able to take a whole year off of anything. Absolutely wish you the best man.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I'm working my ass off in China and saving a lot of money.. must decompress after two years here!

[–]17ts[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Glad to be an inspiration. Make sure to report back!

[–]deadrabbitsclub 2 points3 points  (0 children)

sounds wonderful. central america is on my "five year plan" of sorts. i bet youll love it and learn a lot.

[–]throwmeawayman888 26 points27 points  (4 children)

Interesting, I'd like to hear some more after 2-3 months.

[–]17ts[S] 24 points25 points  (3 children)

Not sure I would be comfortable doing it for that long with my current almost everyday pattern. It feels a little overwhelming sometimes. Maybe I will switch to the one day on, two days off pattern that Fadiman recommends and continue.

[–]WASDx 20 points21 points  (0 children)

You could lower the dose too.

[–]hloyd49 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you could use the two days off one day off pattern and still maintain that increase in quality of life indefinately that would be an amazing discovery. That seems kind of unlikely. It seems like it would start wareing on your mental health sooner or later. Definately keep doing it and get back to us in a couple months.

[–]DidoAmerikaneca 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wouldn't taking it every day spike your tolerance quickly, even though it's such a small dose? I know that in general, tolerance rises very quickly with LSD, to where you need approximately 3x the dose the following day to get the same effects.

[–]Theotropho 24 points25 points  (30 children)

Yes! :D

I tried this with shrooms, saved my life.

[–]17ts[S] 16 points17 points  (26 children)

I have this feeling it will save my life as well, that it will end my depression, and make me a better person as a whole if I can integrate it all, but I'm not sure if I'm just being overly enthusiastic about it. Would love to hear about your experience.

[–]Theotropho 12 points13 points  (21 children)

Meditation, shroomie .5g every evening, 3 months. Never really been the same. I'd been pushing higher and higher doses up until then and if I'd kept going like that I don't know that I would have made it out alive.

[–]Firedem0n 10 points11 points  (4 children)

Can you eleborate on that? Did the shrooms microdosing help you? Did tolerance build up too fast? Not quite sure exactly where you're coming from...

[–]Theotropho 6 points7 points  (3 children)

Helped a lot, noticed no tolerance but it was also a small enough dose I barely felt it.

[–]theriverman 1 point2 points  (0 children)

When you say "Never really been the same" It almost sounds negative. Did you mean it flipped your situation to a much more positive?

EDIT: I see that you're OP of this little thread, so I figured it out myself ;)

[–]Sluisifer 0 points1 point  (1 child)

0.5g is pretty high for a shroom microdose.

I found even 200mg to be a little much.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wanted to say something similar. I pretty much can't sleep until mornings at slightly less than 1 gramm, .5 can't be that far less of an effect.

[–]Seishuu 8 points9 points  (14 children)

.5g everyday sounds like a fairly large dose. Can you please elaborate on your experience? These microdosing experiments fascinate me. Did you notice a "crash" at some point in the day? Any difficulty sleeping? What positive effects did you notice?

[–]Theotropho 6 points7 points  (9 children)

half a gram is a smallish dose, actually. Barely threshold. No crash but I took it eveningish and it was barely noticeable.

Slept well, broke my depression. I stopped wanting to be dead all the time, it broke down some of my longstanding detrimental values.

[–]Seishuu 5 points6 points  (8 children)

Right, I see. The reason I said it was a fairly large dose is because microdosing usually involves sub-"threshold" doses.

You'd take it in the evenings? Why not during the working day? What would you do then and how would it affect you?

[–]DigitalMindShadow 1 point2 points  (1 child)

.5 grams of dried cubensis mushrooms is not a lot. A typical psychedelic dose is around 2 grams. Erowid says that a threshold dose is .25 grams, but I've never heard of anyone taking that little for a psychedelic experience. As someone who's experimented a bit with LSD microdosing myself, I'd probably compare .5 grams of dried mushrooms with OP's 20 µg LSD doses, maybe a bit more. 20 µg is definitely noticeable.

[–]Seishuu -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yeah, if .5g = around 20 mcg then it makes sense.

[–]Theotropho 1 point2 points  (5 children)

I was a drug dealer, there was no working day for me. It's not a fairly large dose though... certainly not for where I was. a largish dose is 3g, a smallish dose is 1.5g. Most people barely feel under a gram. So your feeling that this was a largish dose is way off.

I would take it and meditate, I chose evenings because that's a time of day that felt good to me. I'd been meditating off and on for years without it changing me how that time did.

[–]Seishuu 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Thanks for your replies. I didn't mean to say 0.5g of shrooms is a large dose, just that I thought it was a large one for microdosing. That's all. But since it's more or less equal to 20 mcg of LSD, then it's not too big.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Would totally depend on your shroom wouldn't it.

I definitly have slight visuals at 1 gramm. And by slight I mean if I relax I do see fractals and endless room visuals.

[–]Theotropho 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I never really get visuals. Exception being 25i and the 2C line.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I'm afraid you have to let me in on what those are, sorry.

[–]Sluisifer 0 points1 point  (3 children)

Agreed, I tried 500mg and it was far too intense to incorporate into a normal day. 200-250mg seemed about right.

The main issue is that mushrooms probably aren't ideally suited for this. The duration is simply too short, though it could be useful for certain things.

[–]Seishuu 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Yeah. Maybe he had weaker-than-average (or you had stronger-than-average) shrooms. How long would the "boost" last for you?

[–]Sluisifer 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Several hours. Maybe 4 to 6, much like a regular shroom trip. It was really the 2nd hour that was rough, on the come up. After that it was okay, and the rest of the day would have a little glow, but a lower dose was more effective.

[–]Seishuu 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It was really the 2nd hour that was rough

Rough in what way?

[–]CharlieTango 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Maybe try 13-15 doses every day with a placebo control test of some kind?

Great experiment keep up the good work

[–]Otters_arent_real 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'd imagine, at its core, being excited about anything at all is pretty great for depression.

[–]monkeymech 19 points20 points  (24 children)

When you say you were "sensing auras, looking at people once and understanding their whole being, sending love telepathically" have you considered this as maybe being a slight disconnect from reality? Not trying to be a dick, I'm just genuinely curious. Btw I've never taken acid.

[–]jedisjumphigh 20 points21 points  (11 children)

It's not as woo-woo as it may sound. When you quiet your mind (as psychedelics can do) you notice more. "Auras" can be thought of as sensing microscopic signals given off from people's body language/subtle facial expressions etc. It all comes across as the "signal" you get from somebody that is beyond verbal description.

Also, when you get into it, the idea that our thoughts and feelings are confined to our physical body doesn't really hold up. That shit projects into the world and most people are unaware of it.

[–]monkeymech 1 point2 points  (9 children)

Yeah this is why I felt the need to mention never having taken acid. Figured it might be something about the experience that would be too hard to describe any other way.

[–]barfingclouds 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I've done lsd a few times and I definitely don't believe all of that hocus pocus.

In my opinion, when I am on drugs, I am on drugs. Nothing more, nothing less. I think it is foolish to "learn" supernatural or scientific things when on psychedelics.

But I think afterwards, you can use your knowledge of science and psychology to understand the many positive effects you have experienced, like /u/tictac_93 mentioned. I've studied psychology a good amount in my time and it's interesting learning how our brains work.

And just because I don't believe people extend beyond their bodies and that we are all one being or something doesn't mean I don't think lsd can't be profoundly amazing and beautiful. I think it has spiritually helped me a lot, but spiritually as in me and my mind, not spiritually as in supernatural beliefs.

[–]tictac_93 4 points5 points  (7 children)

Just saying that I agree with jedisjumphigh's description, though I'd like to add that there's an additional layer to it. You don't just pick up on the body language, or even consciously register that there is any body language going on; you just know what's going through that person's head.

The scientific side of me says that psychs lower your thresholds for sensory input, and it makes sense that you'd pick up on otherwise imperceptible ticks, movements, shifts in weight, etc., and interpret them like 'normal' body language, with some emotional exaggeration ("He's thinking about x and y", vs. "He looks a little down").

Actually experiencing this, however, feels like so much more than interpreting body language.

[–]fatmoocow 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Never taken LSD or similar drugs but I study a bit of mindfulness from time to time. Many of these ideas are consistent with what you get from meditation and mindfulness meditation. Essentially being more present in the moment rather than distracted by your own random thoughts increases your empathy with other people and also increases a person's ability to accurately interpret the emotions of other people based on facial expressions.

Given that LSD slows you down a bit and decreases your ability to filter out sensory input, this causes you to pay attention to what's going on (mindful). You might call this "auras" but it's pretty straight forward.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (4 children)

I've never seen people actually talk about this aspect of psychedelics in such detail before; i'm so happy to see i'm not alone.

When I saw Paul McCartney at Bonnaroo I was him. Sure he was hundreds of feet away on stage, but watching him on that mega screen I felt I was living his life and knew every thought in his head. It brought me to tears. I looked up there at that man, and all that he had accomplished, and saw that he knew his time was running out and he just wanted to do what he loves and show a younger generation what he's all about before he departs. It's incredible that you can be so on top of the world but nobody escapes the inevitable...we're all connected in the human struggle.

I've always attributed this phenomenon to the ego-dissolving aspect of psychedelics. When you no longer hold a firm grasp to the idea of "you" and instead view everything as a collective, it's easy to see things from other perspectives. It takes your biases and preconceived ideas out of the picture and opens you wide the fuck up to just take in the energy and connect with it.

That might be the most burned-out hippie shit i've ever said but it's so fucking true.

[–]barfingclouds 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I keep hearing from people I know about Paul McCartney's performance at Bonarroo. Everyone says it was mind blowing and their favorite performance there. So interesting. I would not have guessed that beforehand (even though I'm obsessed with the beatles)

[–]schmalexandra 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I was there!

Bawled my eyes out, 100% sober. was a truly magical experience. I cannot even imagine what BrinkMonkey must have felt.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I'm not really a Beatles fan, but I love Bonnaroo and will go every year. I thought why not check it out, the guy's a living legend.

Mind was blown. Being on acid watching him perform a 3 hour set in my favorite place in the universe alongside my gf who is the biggest Beatles fan was something i'll remember the rest of my life.

For those who haven't been, Bonnaroo really is something magical that I highly recommend checking out once in your life.

[–]schmalexandra 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That was a great set.

I went for the same reason, didn't care too much but I went. HOLY shit.

I can't wait to go back!

[–]jedisjumphigh 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I did say "sense", not "interpret" :)

[–]TheLiberalSoup 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Also, when you get into it, the idea that our thoughts and feelings are confined to our physical body doesn't really hold up. That shit projects into the world and most people are unaware of it.

This is a subject that's very hard for me to talk about, and I realize that I don't ave any of the answers, but I want to suggest the book "Incomplete Nature" by Terrence Deacon to you. It has almost nothing but rave reviews from the most respected philosophers. Currently reading it and it is completely straightforward so far, no sleight of hand going on. I look forward to reading more of it and I think anyone interested in philoosphy of mind would be interested in it.

[–]17ts[S] 5 points6 points  (11 children)

Yea I have considered and it's a little worrying not only for my superego, but then I believe there is more to reality that we haven't discovered yet, and some of these things may be real, or at least there is the possibility that they are in a way or another. I take it with a grain of salt, it's not my main focus in this experiment and I would certainly stop if this aspect gets too out of control.

[–]Kasonic 5 points6 points  (10 children)

Yeah that pretty much kills this for me. I know exactly what you mean about "sending telepathic love" while tripping and such, but trying to function like that on a daily basis for any extended period of time is probably going to lead to psychotic symptoms.

[–]17ts[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well it's not in your face all the time and you don't have to constantly deal with it, so maybe I'm exaggerating. I would sometimes think these things sober and just brush it off, whereas it becomes more of importance when microdosing.

[–]password_is_ent 0 points1 point  (8 children)

LSD doesn't lead to psychotic symptoms and he is mircodosing.

[–]Kasonic -1 points0 points  (7 children)

Believing that you can send telepathic mind-messages is the definition of psychosis.

Experienced users have no problem managing their sense of reality in a trip. I am not sure if you could say the same if you forget what 'normal' is.

[–]Intel81994 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"A sane person to an insane society must appear insane"

[–]password_is_ent 0 points1 point  (5 children)

Believing that you can send telepathic mind-messages

Where did you see that?

[–]Kasonic 2 points3 points  (4 children)

His second to last bullet point. The OP is clear he was fully cognizant of it and stayed grounded, but I really dislike the idea of my brain becoming 'used to' being out of touch with reality.

[–]17ts[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You can look up the concept of metta in buddhism, that's pretty much what I was getting at, there are meditations that aim at improving empathy by focussing on giving love to others.

[–]Otters_arent_real 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I wonder if this isn't just a case of OP having a difficult time explaining himself and isn't simply just increased empathy.

Maybe, maybe not.

[–]Kasonic 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I know exactly what he means. In the moment, it makes perfect sense that all your loved ones are just vibrations of love from the same entity and behind your mortal shells, you are all perfect children of the universe. Math is the ultimate religion and I see your bare lonely soul through your sparkling fractal eyes.

Not so much when you come down.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think that comes about largely from OP's preexisting beliefs. He believed in that stuff before he started this experiment, this has just made it more apparent to him. You'd likely not get the same result. Personally, I know LSD hasn't made me believe in auras or telepathy.

[–]fjb3 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Years ago I took a small amount before going to work at a call centre. I have no idea what the dosage was but I'm guessing based on the hits it would have been in the 20-30 microgram range. (I took a quarter of what I would consider an "average" hit) Even though I did not like the job, I found myself very focused and eager to make the most of each call. I didn't experience any visual distortions or anything, it just seemed to amplify my mood and my reaction to my environment much like you describe. It's really too bad this stuff isn't legal, it would be nice to experiment more with smaller doses.

[–]capurnicus 10 points11 points  (2 children)

It wouldn't surprise me if the adrenergic effects predominate at lower dosages as you're essentially describing an ADD med.

[–]17ts[S] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I would say the stimulant and psychedelic effects are more balanced at this dose, whereas at normal doses the psychedelic effets dominate much more. It's definitely more than just DA/NE effects.

[–]capurnicus 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Makes sense really. Adrenergic responses tend to be rather potent.

[–]ruseweek 8 points9 points  (1 child)

This was great to read! I've currently been experimenting with microdoses of psilocin myself. Since it seems like there is considerable interest in this topic, I've started a new subreddit, microdosing. Hope to see you there!

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

subbed. I would love to see this sub take off. AFAIK there isn't a community anywhere else on the internet (or off) explicitly devoted to compiling information regarding microdosing with psychoactives. This could turn into a great resource if it gets enough attention. Maybe make a post about it on various drug-related subreddits to garner extra attention?

/r/nootropics would probably be interested

[–]Carpetthrowaway 5 points6 points  (13 children)

Can you please elaborate on the dilution of the tab? I have some 100ug tabs and Im interested in trying this myself.

[–]BrainsAreStupid 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Don't use tap water. The chlorine will kill Lucy. Distilled water works well.

[–]17ts[S] 2 points3 points  (5 children)

I measured 20ml H2O, cut the tab up as small as I could and dumped it in the water. I have these little plastic bottles that hold exactly 20ml, that I wrapped in tin foil and put in the fridge. Shake around every once in a while. I left the tab in the water and used a small syringe to measure doses. Only use distilled water or ethanol.

[–]Carpetthrowaway 1 point2 points  (4 children)

What is its solubility? And must it be kept in the fridge?

[–]17ts[S] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

No, but I keep all my drugs there, so the bottle just went next to the pile.

Not sure about solubility, I wouldn't expect it to be a problem.

[–]Etheri 1 point2 points  (0 children)

SOLUBILITY IN WATER: SOLUBLE

Considering we're talking about a concentration of 10-5 wt%, (13 ùg in 2 g of water) solubility barely matters. Even some 'insoluble' chemicals could reach those concentrations.

[–]Carpetthrowaway -1 points0 points  (1 child)

So if I dissolved 100ug in 20mL water. What would the dose be per mL?

Edit: Im guessing it would be about 5ug. Am I correct?

[–]giant_tortuga 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yes

[–]creamyticktocks 0 points1 point  (5 children)

You'd be best off using alcohol. Even the oxygen in water may degrade the LSD over time.

[–]Thewes6 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Just out of curiosity, as someone who doesn't drink, is there a non-water non-alcohol alternative?

[–]creamyticktocks 2 points3 points  (1 child)

If you used similar amounts as OP, you wouldn't get anywhere near threshold levels of intoxication. However, if access is an issue, or you simply don't want to use alcohol, then water is probably your best bet. However, you should use DI water because contaminants (such as chlorine) could destroy the LSD molecule. So long as the solution isn't sitting in water for more than about a week then the oxygen shouldn't impact the dosage too much.

[–]Thewes6 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks!

[–]Carpetthrowaway 1 point2 points  (1 child)

So would ethanol be the best?

[–]creamyticktocks 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ethanol is a pretty great solvent. I can't think of anything better, someone correct me if I'm wrong though.

[–]dr_greene 7 points8 points  (7 children)

Thanks for sharing. Would be interested to hear what your therapist says about your little experiment.

[–]17ts[S] 11 points12 points  (6 children)

She knows what value these drugs have in therapy so she is really supportive. Obviously she can't encourage me taking illegal substances, but she is really interested in their therapeutic potential and I'm doing my best to spread the knowledge.

[–]Seishuu 17 points18 points  (4 children)

That's one open-minded therapist. Glad you stumbled upon her.

[–]Nebula829 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Someone told me once, "Dude, think of the psych majors you went to college with." Then it made sense.

[–]17ts[S] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Finding her was the best thing that happened to me in a long time. I was so lucky. I knew she could help me from the beginning and the progress has been great so far. I couldn't imagine a better therapist.

[–]Nebula829 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Be careful not to identify your happiness with her too much. You are the one changing yourself. She merely facilitates an atmosphere which encourages you to do so. But it's all you!

Sorry if that sounded like I knew who you are and how you think. Just know how easy it is for this to happen. They can almost become like a drug.

[–]MadNuke 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You'd be surprised. I was open with my psychologist about my past use of psychedelics and ADD medications. I described the effect that ADD meds had on my anxiety and depression during high school and she encouraged me to see a psychiatrist and consider a prescription. Most mental health professionals know that everyone reacts differently to drugs, that some people are more responsible, and that science doesn't know the exact mechanism of action for many major medications. So, there's a good number of practitioners who take the stance of "if it works, it works" - they're just much better at acutely determining whether or not something is actually working.

[–]dr_greene 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Awesome. You are lucky to have found such an open-minded therapist.

[–]cicero12 4 points5 points  (4 children)

Really great little experiment. If you want to break the actual patterns, I think you might have to go it a little bit more long term; with that said, Fadimen's regime would probably be better. Long term allows for neuroplasticity to take effect, effectively rewiring your brain. Im pretty sure LSD is less physically harmful than aspirin as it is, so you should be ok. Big ups to your psychiatrist for giving the go ahead.

[–]17ts[S] 4 points5 points  (1 child)

Yea that's what I'm thinking currently. A few more weeks with Fadimans pattern for this to really sink in and solidify, so the new patterns will really stick and become part of me. Supplies are plentiful, what timeframe would you recommend?

[–]cicero12 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Give it a month or two, then take a few weeks off and see how it sticks.

Maxwell Maltz empirically suggests it takes 21 consistent days to change someone's self image; hardly based in science though. First 90 days is generally the most important in terms of rewiring or creating habits (a la AA, 3 month gym memberships, etc). Individual milage will probably vary.

If you meditate, or make yourself get into the habit of it, neuroplasticity begins in your brain after the 15 minute mark -- this one is scientifically proven. Maybe augment your experiment with a daily meditation practice for a month and rewire quicker.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

is there any science to suggest that LSD directly promotes neuroplasticity? I'm not entirely sure what you mean by neuroplasticity "taking effect".

[–]cicero12 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Maybe occurring would be a better word. Heres a link to a study summary in Nature: http://www.nature.com/nrn/journal/v11/n9/full/nrn2884.html. If I remember correctly, Fadiman discusses it in his book too. Could be wrong though.

[–]arthurpark 6 points7 points  (1 child)

How old are you? What do you mean when you say 'the solitude makes me so sad'? Is this an LSD-induced perception of solitude or are you referring to your pre-LSD normal life?

[–]17ts[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

27. I embraced the solitude all my life, I thought I didn't need people, and over time I withdrew more and more. It's a mix of self confidence issues and bad experiences in the past and the most likely cause for my depression. I would go weeks without seeing another human. While this has changed somewhat lately, I was still comfortable being alone. This past week I long for company, I want people around me, and not be alone with myself. The solitude and isolation just feels wrong. It's a very unusual feeling.

[–]akcom 5 points6 points  (1 child)

What is dest H2O? Do you mean distilled?

[–]randomISgood 3 points4 points  (4 children)

Did you just drink the solution instead of having it in your mouth for a while?

Is the reason for going from 2 days on 1 days off to 1 day on 2 days off due to the increased empathy?

Thanks

[–]17ts[S] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

I just squirted the solution in my mouth then chased with coffee or OJ most of the days.

It's not so much the empathy as my reaction to it. I get into this emotional state really easy and sometimes it's just not the right moment to almost tear up because I saw someone in a wheelchair and got a glimpse of their suffering. I'm a little overwhelmed by all these new sensations and it's such a quick development, so I would rather slow it down a little to give myself more time to integrate. The afterglow lasts the entire next day, maybe even two days, so dosing two days in a row is a little wasteful anyway.

[–]dr_greene 4 points5 points  (2 children)

Effects are different for ingested LSD versus sublingual (under the tongue) absorption. If you let it sit in your mouth, under your tongue, for a while (~10-15 min) before swallowing, you might feel slightly different effects. Another variable you may want to try during your experiment :)

[–]17ts[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Interesting, is this due to faster absorption?

[–]dr_greene 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Everything that you ingest orally (swallow) gets passed through the liver before entering your circulation. Liver enzymes alter the LSD molecule and may destroy some of it, this is called the 'first pass' metabolism. Sublingual absorption (under the tongue) goes straight to the bloodstream without these initial effects from the liver.

This is the same reason why weed edibles have a different effect than smoking herb. After eating weed, the THC molecule gets altered by the liver, while smoking gets it directly to your bloodstream.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Hey thats funny, I sorta feel the same with weed. I have real lows sometimes as well, nothing thats considered clinical or anything, but still I feel a little low sometimes. I started smoking weed about 2 months ago almost every day, not to get super high though. I do one hit and it makes everything exactly how you describe it. Makes me want to finish all my assignments ahead of time, work out, treat people how I would want to be treated, and see the beauty in things you never thought about.

[–]ghostsofvalhalla 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Any issues with paranoia going about your daily business altered? Whats it like interacting with other people?

[–]17ts[S] 12 points13 points  (1 child)

No paranoia, it's not something I usually experience. Socializing is much easier, words flow freely, I'm more open and I feel much more connected to people. Like that usual dichotomy between me and them turns a little more into us and my concept that everybody is my enemy is slowly fading.

[–]Ostrichman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's really exciting. Admitting I need to connect with others completely changed my life.

[–]DerpaNet 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I have been looking into this with microdosing mushrooms for a while now and this has been really informative. Please keep us updated.

[–]Asian_Heat 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Would you recommend taking lsd like this to someone who has never done lsd before. I've always wondered about it but I want to sort of test the waters first and this sounds like my cup of tea.

[–]17ts[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don't see a problem with that, but it won't prepare you as it's not very similar at all. I would recommend the full experience at least once because the knowledge of the effects helps to recognize and enjoy lower doses a little better, and because it's such an awe inspiring thing to experience.

[–]Seishuu 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I don't think it'd let you grasp what a psychedelic experience is. If you're interested in that, I'd recommend taking a low (1-1.5g) dose of mushrooms. Really positive vibes, and gives you a good idea of what the higher doses would be like.

[–]druggiter 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Said perfectly, that's how I started too.

[–]druggiter 2 points3 points  (5 children)

I was a few days from ordering Janis's blotters before that fateful day.... I will have to try this when lsd crosses my path again.

[–]LongLiveThe_King 1 point2 points  (4 children)

Oh Jannis :(

I think they are on BMR btw.

[–]druggiter 1 point2 points  (3 children)

Didn't know that. Have you used BMR successfully

[–]LongLiveThe_King 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not yet, sorry.

[–]INomYou 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Didnt know either. I looked for lucy for years, found her on SR and bought just a few tabs to hedge my risk. One trip changed my life in one afternoon walking in an orchard on a sunny day this summer. When I heard about the shutdown I was ... sad I lost her again.

[–]druggiter 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Me and Lucy have only crossed paths once. She is an illusive girl.

[–]_julain 2 points3 points  (2 children)

I did a similar experiment to you except a day longer and I took a two-day tolerance break after four days. I also took vyvanse, dexamphetamine, or 4-fluoroamphetamine. The purpose of my experiment was pure cognitive enhancement.

I did actually find a tolerance built to certain aspects, but the stimulating properties didn't go away. That's likely because your 5HT receptors downregulate very rapidly, but LSD also hits the D2 receptor and the dopamine system seems to be a bit less "plastic."

It helps motivation a lot (again, I bet the D2 agonism plays a huge role) but I found after I stopped I was a bit less motivated. That's likely due to the amphetamines too though. Another interesting thing I noted was that I was misplacing a lot of things. Way more than usual. Not sure why, but everything else was enhanced. In conclusion, I now microdose 3x a week or so in order to stay on top of my workload.

[–]giant_tortuga 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Did you ever exercise or do heavy physical exertion? What were the effects?

[–]17ts[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I lift regularly and commute by bike a lot. I haven't noticed anything particular, the increased motivation may help in pushing another rep or two. This needs further experimentation.

[–]GrixM 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Do your pupils dilate?

[–]Settl 10 points11 points  (0 children)

No mydriasis.

= No.

[–]17ts[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Not at all.

[–]TheMadFlyentist 2 points3 points  (0 children)

He said no in the OP

[–]mrsrogers 1 point2 points  (1 child)

How high/low was you're tolerance before you started the experiment?

[–]17ts[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I had no previous tolerance.

[–]Seishuu 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you so much for doing and posting this, I find it awesome that people are starting to microdose psychedelics.

[–]MisterReous 1 point2 points  (2 children)

(serious) Can micro-dosing or micro-highs be done with THC also? Control the amount you smoke or injest?

[–]Keegan320 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Probably be kinda hard to measure exact doses, but you could just smoke a small onie and call it good lol

[–]Zanzibarland 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes! I micro dose with MJ daily. I use a tiny tiny piece, no bigger than 2mm by 4mm or say, 3mm3 roughly. I get about a good 3 hours of positive thinking, motivation, and no paranoia or sluggishness, before it tapers off back to normal.

I'd highly recommend it.

[–]ipushback 1 point2 points  (3 children)

This is awesome! Im happy you are seeing progress. I've been thinking of doing something similar for a while now. I have a couple of questions I was hoping you could answer:

  • Any negative effects as of yet?

  • Have you smoked cannabis during this experiment or take any prescription drugs?

  • How long do you think you will be microdosing for? 2 week periods? One week on and one week off? A month?

-thank you so much for posting this is exactly what I've been looking for.

[–]17ts[S] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

  • The only negative is the emotional side I talked about in the OP, it's a little hard to control, but it might very well be part of the whole transformation.

  • Yea, ganja every day, nothing else. I was smoking 2g a day before last week, but now I've cut down to a couple small bowls in the evening. I felt really addicted before, and now my cravings are barely present anymore. Cutting down/quitting weed has been one of the goals of this experiment. But this might not be because of the acid and I left it out on purpose as it's too early to say.

  • I will discuss this with my therapist tomorrow, right now I'm leaning towards continuing with a 1 day on, 2 day off pattern for a few more week, maybe 2?, because I feel I need more time to solidify the new thought patterns.

Please try it out and see for yourself, it is a very positive experience.

[–]DerpaNet 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Im really interested in trying this and have been reading about it for a while. I too suffer from depression. My only concern is that the weather where I live is getting grey and wintery and I can feel another bout of depression knocking at the door, making me wonder if this is the best time to try it. You also mentioned that seeing suffering made you very emotional.

any thoughts?

[–]17ts[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I had just come back from a trip to another country, so my mood was elevated already when I started the experiment. I wouldn't use it to combat suicidal ideation, that might go wrong easily. Start on a really good day and it might just take you out of it.

[–]bmores8 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I love the idea of this, is it difficult deluding it? How do you portion the doses after it is deluded?

[–]17ts[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No it just dissolves into the water. I use a small syringe, but you can dissolve it in a bigger volume and dose with a cup or something like that.

[–]rikkolahh 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I would love to try an experiment like this. I am a fairly experienced LSD user, but I find that it is more and more difficult to procure real LSD. I also find that many people looking for a trip are looking for just that - a crazy 10,000mcg trip that will fuck them up for at least 8 hours, so very potent RCs are perpetually on the rise. Which, personally, I find to be kind of self-destructive. Furthermore, I would never like to try an experiment like this with say an n-BOMe. In your opinion, should I continue my search for Alice, or just stare into the rabbit hole forevermore?

[–]FuckYeahDrugs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Never stop looking for L, but you could also consider growing mushrooms and do similar experiments with them instead.

[–]17ts[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ugh I wouldn't ever do this with RCs. LSD is studied well enough that it is probably okay to do longterm. I agree on the high dose craziness sentiment, I've always preferred smaller doses after doing the big dose. How about growing some mushrooms or finding some san pedro? Mescaline would be awesome for this.

[–]throwmeawayman888 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Microdosing shrooms

This article talks about magic mushroom research from John Hopkins, there was an AMA recently here as well, and I was surprised that the highest dosage was 30mg/70kg. That is so far below what any recreational user would take.

In any case, 78% were positive results, so I am inclined to believe micro-dosing LSD does work.

A caveat; "but those suffering anxiety, stress and fear episodes increased by six times".

[–]creamyticktocks 1 point2 points  (1 child)

In one comment you noted that you commute by bike. I assume you don't drive then. However, you did compare the intensity to coffee. Would you feel comfortable driving while microdosing?

[–]17ts[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I haven't done it, but I would feel comfortable in my ability to drive.

[–]addictedtoRdrugs 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I am interested in doing this, did your pupils get big?

[–]anarckissed 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No mydriasis.

Nope!

[–]TokyoWitch 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I've been wanting to try this too. Thanks so much for sharing your experience!

[–]barfingclouds 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ah, beautiful. Once I can get a reliable source for lsd, I will definitely do this. I've read other microdosing experiments and they've had the same results.

[–]mailslot 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Awesome. I've been microdosing with Salvia. The positive effects are comparable, except with Salvia, I don't want to drink alcohol or smoke (also)! It's rumored to have an anti-addictive effect and I can back that up. Good luck!

[–]Bigfrostynugs 0 points1 point  (1 child)

What method are you delivering salvia in? A quid?

[–]mailslot 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes. Two leafs twice per day. One in the morning. One at night. It's seriously "micro," but has enough kick for what I'm playing with.

[–]SageKnows 4 points5 points  (1 child)

I wish I knew where to get pure LSD.

[–]KimJongChilled 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I know, right? I gave up trying to find it years ago after having so many different people sell me fake tabs.

[–]zeekip 4 points5 points  (17 children)

Should be noted that it is not a good idea to do psychedelics everyday due 5HT2b agonism which can be a problem if you take it that regular.

[–]MisterYouAreSoDumb 3 points4 points  (2 children)

I assume you are referring to the vasoconstriction? LSD has very little affinity for 5-HT2B compared to things like the NBOMes. In the dosages we are talking about, it should not be an issue.

[–]zeekip -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Where did you get this information? 5HT2B agonism in Ki(nM) (The lower the number, the higher the affinity)

25i-NBOME : 5-HT2B (231, +/-73)

LSD : 5-HT2B = 25

[–]MisterYouAreSoDumb 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I thought the 5-HT2B Ki value for 25i-NBOMe was 2.3nM, not 231. At least that is what the table in this paper shows. They list it in the table as CIMBI-5 (Center for Integrated Molecular Brain Imaging-5), as that was the name given to 25i-NBOMe during testing. Also, this paper confirms the 2.3nM number as well.

[–]unguidedCDN87 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Please do elaborate.

[–]17ts[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children)

What are the possible symptoms? LSD is mostly a 2a/c agonist.

[–]zeekip 0 points1 point  (1 child)

5HT2B agonism causing thickening of the heart valve. To quote Wikipedia :

The 5-HT2B receptor regulates cardiac structure and functions as demonstrated by the abnormal cardiac development observed in 5-HT2B receptor null mice.[5] The 5-HT2B receptor stimulation can also lead to pathological proliferation of cardiac valves fibroblasts,[6] which with chronic overstimulation of 5-HT2B can lead to a severe valvulopathy

Normally with psychedelics or stimulants like MDMA or 6-APB (Bot have significant 5HT2B activity. 6-APB is even selective for 5HT2B!) the thickening of the cardiac valves is not a problem, since you should be using them like once every two months or so, which is enough time to let them return to normal.

But with repeated doses (Like twice a week or everyday) can lead to heartvalve sickness. 5HT2B agonism is the reason the medication fenfluramine was put off the shelves :

Supporting this idea is the fact that this valve abnormality has also occurred in patients using other drugs that act on 5-HT2B receptors.

So proceed with caution. Also LSD's binding data suggest it is not selective for 5HT2B but that doesnt mean it's binding isn't significant, look at this

5-HT2B (Ki=4.9nM)

For example, 5-HT2A (Ki=2.9nM) and 5-HT2C (Ki=23nM). So that makes everyday dosing a bit of a problem.

[–]17ts[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for the heads up! I don't plan on doing it long term, but it's good to know possible dangers.

[–]areupregnant 0 points1 point  (1 child)

What is 5HT2B agonism? Is it permanent?

[–]dr_greene 0 points1 point  (0 children)

it means stimulating the 5HT2B receptor- a serotonin receptor. No it is not permanent.

[–]dr_greene -1 points0 points  (7 children)

serotonin syndrome?

[–]BrainsAreStupid 0 points1 point  (6 children)

No. I don't know what zeekip is referring to but serotonin syndrome's definitely not a risk of repeated microdosing.

[–]zeekip 0 points1 point  (5 children)

5HT2B agonism certainly is, look at my reply at /u/17ts above you.

[–]BrainsAreStupid 0 points1 point  (4 children)

No, it's an acute problem very different from what you're describing.

[–]zeekip 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I really hope you are trolling....

[–]BrainsAreStupid 0 points1 point  (2 children)

What you're describing sounds like a serious concern but I don't see how it relates to serotonin syndrome, or how SS could possibly be a risk of microdosing.

[–]zeekip 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I am not talking about serotonin syndrome at all, I haven't even mentioned it in this thread....

[–]BrainsAreStupid 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was just replying to dr_greene that there was no way serotonin syndrome was a risk here, before you had elaborated on the danger you were describing.

[–]Notinmyhous 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I microdosed last weekend. Didn't like it, but then again it's probably coz I had an exam to study for an a workshop to hold, and did a couple huge lines of k right before I had to do so. After the workshop I was just filled with shame and regret. MY FAULT. blah

[–]wigwam2323 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Did you notice any change in the sound of music?

[–]17ts[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nothin in particular no. I would say the dose is too small for that.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've read about different experiments with varying drugs treating mental disorders, but I haven't really thought of how they would be used, or how they would affect the patient. This was truly amazing to read. It's like you lost the ability to be happy, and Lucy is that link, showing you the beauty in life. Telepathically sending love! Yes!

[–]polypolyman 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I've started a microdosing regimen - I'm not trying to do this every day, but rather to include it in my cycle (so that I'm not taking modafinil daily either). It's been a once-a-week thing so far (3rd dose taken today).

The first two were close to 20ug. I'll say that the psychedelia is noticeable at that level - distractibility is up, but so is creativity, things shimmer a little more than can be accounted for by HPPD, etc. Definitely a good way to stay up, get your work done, and be happy about it.

I took less (still somewhere between 10 and 20, probably ~15ug) today. Less issues, more benefits. Creativity obviously isn't quite as up, but w/e.

I definitely understand what you mean by the empathy - especially the 20ug doses have made me painfully empathetic. I heard some sirens last week as I was headed to class. Check the county 911 dispatch logs, and there's an accident with someone unconscious at the entrance to campus. My head would not leave that for a while - thinking about how horrible a situation that is, and how nobody seemed to care on campus. The situation is better pragmatically, but worse in terms of the feeling for people I actually do care about.

Overall, it's a nice throwback to the month or so after taking about 750ug, with less in the way. Access to a little bit of the psychedelic mind, without loss of your normal methods of processing things. I think if I took it every day, I'd fall a little too deep and crave a re-integration process. I do look forward to it every week, though, if I can find a consistent source, I may up it to 2 days a week.

[–]17ts[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This whole empathy thing really has mysterious ways. I didn't tell the story in the OP, but a few days ago I was noticing the phone number of our janitor in the elevator, twice on consecutive days. It just stood out in an odd way. A day later that number calls me and he asks if I can help him writing a letter for court because he's in trouble with his job (really sad story btw). I don't know the guy and he asks me out of the blue for help, of course I agreed, I was on the bus at the time and I got a little emotional at all the love that was happening there, when a fucking nazi sits right in front of me and blasts his loud ass hateful nazimusic. He was totally out of place in that part of town. I thought opposites must attract in such moments... it was really strange.

[–]Pawns2Kings 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I have never thought of doing this. Reading what you have to say and explaining how it helps you makes me really want to. The things you say have improved is everything I have been searching to do. i have never done acid. Did mushrooms a few times throughout the years. What amount would be best for me to do ? i dont wanna trip. Like at all.

[–]17ts[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think someone else in this thread said he did it with .5g of shrooms. Sounds a little high, but I'm not very familar with mushrooms. I think the perfect dose is the one that just produces a small shift in perception, that may be below the classic threshold dose, so you will have to do some experimentation to find the right dose.

[–]tictac_93 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree, and I think that the headspace these drugs induce greatly adds to the sense of being in tune with something more ethereal than body language. Sorry if that wasn't clear :)

[–]elegant_ejaculation 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Have you noticed any improvements in digestion, sleep, libido, etc?

[–]17ts[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

No to all 3. Maybe a little improvement in sleep, but since I do more activites during the day that might just be from exhaustion. Nice username.

[–]elegant_ejaculation 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks!

[–]agoat 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Wow, this is awesome. I'd love to try it some time, although I've never dropped LSD before, normal or microdose. Do you think you could do a follow-up post a while after stopping?

[–]17ts[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I've ended the experiment 3 days ago. Will do a follow up post in week but you can ask if you want to know something specific.

[–]agoat 0 points1 point  (2 children)

So 3 (I guess 4 now) days later, do you find that your new mindset is fading? What aspects can you hold on to? Thanks for doing this by the way, it's great to have the opportunity to learn from others' experiences

[–]17ts[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

That's the big question and it's a little early to say, but here's what I noticed. Something definitely stuck. The depression is still there but it's a little easier to fight off. I always thought depression is a choice and I think I've learned to choose something else instead. The empathetic and overly emotional stuff got more manageable once I switched to dosing every other day, but I noticed that I built up tolerance during those two weeks which is why I decided to quit. I got a little used to it and it got harder and harder to distinguish placebo from dose towards the end.

So far I would say it's highly important to have goals and expectations for what you want out of this, and not expect the drug to do steer you and do all the work. I'm thinking of doing round 2 with more time between doses and more testing.

[–]agoat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks! I'll be following your posts to see how things go for you.

[–]wutangturtles 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good to know you also don't want to continue doing it for the rest of your life. Stay happy and stay in control.

[–]rollawaythedew2 0 points1 point  (1 child)

LSD raises the serotonin level, just like anti-depressants do (eg the SSRIs), so that could account for your mood elevation. Unfortunately, you develop tolerance to LSD, so you'll need more to get the same effects. Not sure what the half-life is at these levels though. Perhaps the tolerance would be slower to arrive.

[–][deleted] -4 points-3 points  (9 children)

I seem to be more aware of these things.. sensing auras, looking at people once and understanding their whole being, sending love telepathically, experiences of unity. There was a strange occurence that I have no logical explanation for when my attention was turned twice onto something that would happen in the future.. and it did.

This stuff isn't real. These are delusions and hallucinations. I would recommend talking to your therapist about them. If they're persistent or you are starting to believe they're real it could be dangerous or unhealthy.

[–]17ts[S] 6 points7 points  (1 child)

The last time I talked with her about that stuff she started sharing her own stories. Keep an open mind buddy.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm not saying it's necessarily a problem, just that you should keep an eye on it. You don't want to, for example, start believing you can telepathically tell what other drivers you are going to do when you're in your car, or be hypersensitive to emotion next time your boss is pissed off at you. Just, whatever you do, stay safe.

[–]Intel81994 -2 points-1 points  (5 children)

These things are as real as you and I are, but even you and I are only as real as you "think" us to be ;)

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children)

The thoughts and beliefs that the OP is describing are made from the lack of knowledge about human psychology and general education. The effects of the psychedelic experience can all be described and understood scientifically and to a greater extent through advancements in neurology and social sciences. All of the misinterpreted perceptions and experiences that the OP is describing can be attributed to specific functions of the brain. Some of them specifically to the increased ability to empathize will under the effects of psychedelic drugs . The development of the ability to empathize is very important to any evolving species, especially to those of high cognitive functions. The formation of this ability directly influenced all preceding cognitive advances and is a big function of the brain that plays a roll in how any sentient species experiences and thinks subjectivity. The development of the ability to have conceptual thoughts and the advancement of spoken language allowing a greater ability to communicate also plays big roles in how we as a sentient being experience reality and rationalize those experiences. Each advancement in the homo brain changes the way it perceives and goes about understanding itself as well as its surroundings. We as a species have only existed for 200,00 years and the development of modern language less then 100,00. We have just in the last couple of centuries began to theorize correctly and with the least amount of personal bias. We are just beginning to understand how the human brain operates and what specific networks are responsible for specific functions.

As I stated before, every experience the OP described relates back to how our brain evolved. They can all be explained through neuroscience and social sciences with the application of controlled experimentation and the scientific method. None of them can be explained through this uneducated perception of them. If you want to know what is real, how to think and what to believe then read a science book. ALL HAIL SCIENCE AND ITS WONDERFUL TEACHINGS.

[–]Intel81994 -1 points0 points  (2 children)

There's a bigger picture, can't you see? All these scientific teachings yes they merely explain the observations we can make - the root of the puzzle is still glaring at us in the face no matter how distracted we become - we are matter that has somehow become conscious, why are we here? where did we come from? Stop thinking. Your brain does not stop at your brain. It innervates your organs and your whole body. FEEL it achingly all at once. Trust your body. All you seek is within you. This is the game. The whole intelligence of the universe resides within you. Science is just ONE paradigm of deciphering the puzzle, in fact it is great folly to think we have are somehow more advanced now. There were many before us who were awake, many before us who have had these experiences. Religion is another paradigm - but what does it matter? They are two sides of the same coin - a false dichotomy - created by the egoic mind where none actually exists and all is One - a characteristic of Maya, the illusion of material form. You are feeding and identifying with your ego when you fall back on merely widely accepted scientific "FACTS." The bottom line is we don't know how and why and what the fuck we are doing here being alive and all. And this reminds you that you have been dying ever since you were born - the ego hates being feeling threatened. You were born a sacrifice. You can either resist it, which is your suffering, or you can die in the giving of your gifts so fully that you forget you have stopped holding onto yourself.

I understand they can all be "explained" (more like merely observed) through neuroscience (in fact I'm going to school for neuro) and we can better understand through the scientific method a slice of this mystery of existence but the workings of the brain are barely the tip of the iceberg. All you have just told me is just skimming the surface of the big picture - these are symptoms of the mystery in flesh - yes this is what's happening but so what? What does it tell us about who we are? It can't. That resides within you. That is far greater than numbers or terms or causal relationships or neuronal pathways that "explain" anything. The whole is far greater than the sum of its parts. Peace be with you.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

The first two lines of your rebuttal are filled with buzzwords (much like the rest of it) and sets up a red herring that the rest of it follows.

"We are matter that has somehow become conscious" We know how we became conscious, if you fully understood my comment you would have known, that half of it is dedicated to very briefly explaining two different functions that our brain has evolved (through natural selection) that play a role in how our consciousness works to interpret the stimuli that is emitted from the universe we live in. The answer to the question "Why are we here?" is explained through evolution. However I am assuming that you are using the word "Why" in a false connotation, as if we have some purpose or meaning behind our existence. "where did we come from" Is explained by the means of natural selection. I'm not sure what "Stop thinking" is supposed to mean.

"Your brain does not stop at your brain." The brain does in fact stop at the brain.

"It innervates your organs and your whole body." Again I have to assume that you have miss used the word "innervates" to mean that the brain supplies our organs and body with nerves. This is wrong, our brain interprets signals transmitted through different nervous systems that are sent from specific nerve cells located in our body. The next two sentences are rhetorical ploys that play no meaning into my first comment.

"All you seek is within you." By definition of the word "seek" is an attempt to find. I can set up a straw man and argue that, what I want to find a vast amount of money, and then proceed to say that money is not from inside me, so all that I seek is not within me. But I know this is not what you were trying to portray, however the real rebuttal to this claim follows the same structure. When you use the word "seek" I again have to assume that you are using it in a way such that "what we seek" are not physical objects but answers and understandings to various questions or situations. This still is a false statement because we are not born with any knowledge, we have no understanding of our world. We have to interact with the world and have people teach us and slowly through inquiry we learn. All you seek in obtainable through inquiry, not yourself.

I'm also not sure what "This is the game" is implying. It might imply that figuring out who we are and what is real is the reason for life but this is subjective to your beliefs.

"The whole intelligence of the universe resides within you." again I believe that you are using the word "intelligence" in a wrong connotation or you could mean, that we have the capability to understand all that their is to know in the universe, which would also be false. As I stated above "we are not born with any knowledge, we have no understanding of our world. We have to interact with the world and have people teach us and slowly through inquiry we learn." so it does not reside within us, we have to learn it all.

"Science is just ONE paradigm of deciphering the puzzle, in fact it is great folly to think we have are somehow more advanced now." Science and the use of critical thinking are the only ways in which we can correctly go about obtaining knowledge and greater understandings, or as you put it "deciphering the puzzle". Recorded history informs us that we are in fact more advanced now than we were in the past, technologically and philosophically.

"There were many before us who were awake, many before us who have had these experiences." I again assume that you are using the word "awake" to mean that these people had this experiences and then came to a greater understanding about life and the cosmos. This sentence could be true if you meant that they had these experiences and then integrated the experiences they had into their normal life and used them to inquire knowledge from a different perspective. I however according to your post, believe that what you meant was that they had these experiences and then somehow came to the understanding that supernatural forces exist and that logical thought play without evidence is truth.

"Religion is another paradigm - but what does it matter? They are two sides of the same coin - a false dichotomy"Science and Religion are a dichotomy this is true. Science goes about explaining the natural world through the use of the scientific method to obtain empirically based evidence. Religion however doesn't even use rationalism to try and justify its claims. But this is not what you meant to convey when you falsely use the fallacy of false dilemma. You tried to say that both science and religion work in the same way to give answers to our questions and that there is another way to find answers... your way. Which from what I am gathering is a cluster fuck of different beliefs based solely on the fact that you are uneducated and fear cognitive dissonance when presented with empirical evidence.

"- created by the egoic mind where none actually exists and all is One - a characteristic of Maya, the illusion of material form." When presented with the word "egoic" I had to educate myself on what a egoic mind was. After reading some articles about this concept I found that it is an uneducated, misunderstanding and none scientifically verifiable believe about our consciousness specifically our subconscious. I'm not going to go into detail about this subject because I have already been spending substantial time discussing the faults in your rebuttal. If you want me to go into detail about this please just ask me to do so. Back to the statement you made, consciousness does exist physically. I have explained this many times now, our consciousness is made up of different functions of the brain (that developed during the evolution of our species) and brain networks the communicate together to form what we experience as a sentient being. I'm not sure what "all is one" is supposed to mean. Maybe you were trying to form some sort of paradox? I couldn't find anything about Maya characteristics and i'm pretty sure that the physical matter of the brain is not an illusion.

" You are feeding and identifying with your ego when you fall back on merely widely accepted scientific "FACTS."" This is what you are doing when you fail to change your beliefs when presented with evidence that your beliefs are wrong.

"The bottom line is we don't know how and why and what the fuck we are doing here being alive and all." We do know how we got to the point that we are at. The question "why are we here" shouldn't even be considered valid question because we already know that their is no purpose for our existence. It would be like asking why does the sun exist and when you get a scientific answer, you ask "but why does that exist" as is it has to have a some sort of special purpose for being there.

"And this reminds you that you have been dying ever since you were born - the ego hates being feeling threatened." Actually you don't start dying until you are about the age of 26 (when your body stops growing and begins to slowly deteriorate). Yes it is true our consciousness dislikes being threatened. This is why you personally assimilate new information into your existing brain shortcuts instead of accommodating the new information.

"You were born a sacrifice. You can either resist it, which is your suffering, or you can die in the giving of your gifts so fully that you forget you have stopped holding onto yourself."I wasn't born a sacrifice so there is no way I can resist it. The second part of this is saying that I am a selfish person that only thinks and acts for myself, this is simply not true.

"I understand they can all be "explained" (more like merely observed) through neuroscience (in fact I'm going to school for neuro) and we can better understand through the scientific method a slice of this mystery of existence but the workings of the brain are barely the tip of the iceberg." Based on what I have gathered about your beliefs and knowledge, I would say that you are going to have a big change in the way you think and what you believe after being educated to work in the field of neurology. Yes understanding how our brain works is just a small part of the knowledge that can be obtainable, I never said anything that would convey that it is the only important part of the cosmos.

" All you have just told me is just skimming the surface of the big picture - these are symptoms of the mystery in flesh - yes this is what's happening but so what? What does it tell us about who we are? It can't. That resides within you." Yes it was just skimming the surface. It was a post I made on reddit briefly explaining two parts that make up our consciousness and how someone might miss interpret the experiences they have will under a psychedelic. Neurology and other sciences do tell us a lot about who we are and you have to learn that information, you don't just somehow know it.

"That is far greater than numbers or terms or causal relationships or neuronal pathways that "explain" anything. The whole is far greater than the sum of its parts. Peace be with you." I not sure what is far greater but neurological pathways are what makes our consciousness. Taking the last part of your post literally, the whole would be equal to the sum of its parts.

There were a lot of other parts of this that are incorrect and many fallacies were committed, but I hope what I have given you is at least enough set an example of your failings. I don't mean to be rude or hateful but it is hard to effectively communicate through this medium. I really am trying to help you understand what is wrong with you beliefs.

[–]Intel81994 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I applaud your effort to write that out, my man. Great job. Of course I know these things already from a scientific point of view. But look within yourself. Feel your body achingly. Stop devoting conscious energy to thinking (that's what I meant. The mind sucks your energy. Stop living in your head. It's fake... the only real thing is here & now. No past, no future.) and just be fully present in the here & now. Accept it. Be fully present in the feelings of your whole body. This dissolves the boundary between your localized intelligence and the divine intelligence that anyone may access. I don't need to tell you these things, nor do you need to believe me, and frankly it doesn't matter, you can find out for yourself. Just because we cannot prove empirically the question behind the purpose of our existence does not mean there is none. There are far too many things that science will never never ever be able to decipher. This is one of them, because the scientific method does not work like that, but nothing wrong with that, it's how things need to be for science to do its job.

Look, everything you have said is 100% correct. At the same time, everything I have said is no less correct. There is no right/wrong beliefs in that sense... these are labels created by the egoic mind. Because we can ask the question of why are we here makes it worth exploring. I don't think you are understanding where I am coming from. I know all these things, and I can think like that too as needed, but the truth is within you. Literally. I'm not sure if you have ever thought in this manner, have you tried any psychedelics or meditation? Evolution and natural selection, of course I know they are scientifically valid phenomenon, but still they are subject to our biases as humans and our viewpoints. Yes that's how we came about, but they're still just symptoms of the divine energy flowing through One - All there is. They're byproducts. You're skimming the surface by using them to explain why/how we got here if you are going for the deepest explanation. Go deeper. Go within yourself. The world and everything that happens to you is a reflection of your consciousness. I mean this literally.

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