Evolution Market is starting to get some traction. I first submitted the URL to /r/DNM
around 2 months ago. There is a bit of background here that people
should know, in terms of who is behind the site and where it came from.
Evolution originates from an online carding forum know as Tor Carding
Forum (TCF). This forum is part of the 'carding' scene - forums that
operate much in the same way as DNM's do except they run on forum
software rather than dedicated market software.
Users would join up and be able to discuss everything to do with
carding - how to steal cards, how to clone cards, how to cash out cards,
how to hack websites, how to sell cards, how to setup and use drop
addresses, buying fake ID, stealing personal information (known as
fullz).
The other section of the forum would be the market. To setup as a
vendor you would send two samples of your products to the admin and they
would 'vouch' for you. Once you were vouched you were allowed to sell
your wares in the market section of the forum. Common items for sale
were credit card dumps (1 for $5, 10 for $40, up to bulk), cloning
machines, ATM skimmers, etc.
The Russian crime groups were the innovators here - all of the hard
core stuff happens on the Russian forums (in Russian language) that are
invitation only. You would have to be vouched just to get access to the
forum, let alone becoming a vendor on the forums.
In the late 90s some enterprising Americans who couldn't get access
to the Russian networks decided to setup their own carding forums that
were English language and based in the US tailored for English language
users.
There were a large number of small sites on the net then, most of
them turning out to be scams or having copies of tutorials that were 10
years old and would never work. The first big site that managed to
aggregate everybody into one place was ShadowCrew. All the big name carders who would make a name for themselves a decade later were there.
The problem was that while they adopted the Russian model of using
forums for carding trading they didn't adopt the network invitation
model, so the site was infiltrated by the Secret Service. There are a
lot of parallels here with what could happen with DNM's, and people who
talk about how you should always assume that a DNM has been compromised.
One of the members of ShadowCrew was seen by a police officer in New
York to be making multiple ATM withdrawals using a stack of ATM cards he
had in his pocket all from one ATM. The police officer approached him,
found a dozen blank ATM cards that had been programmed with stolen card
info and around $10k in cash. The Secret Service flipped this guy and
got admin level access to the carding forums for their undercover
aliases. One of these handles being run by the Secret Service ended up
becoming one of the top vendors.
This was before the time of Tor - the anonymity method then was to
use a VPN, and one of the new admins being a Secret Service agent setup a
cheap VPN service for board members to use. This was a honeypot. They
had ingrained themselves into the community so much that when one of the
agents accidentally logged in from their real office IP address which
showed that they were accessing the site from a Secret Service office in
Virginia - members refused to believe it, and accepted the explanation
that the user had 'hacked' a government server and was showing off.
Over 2 years the Secret Service took over hosting the server, running
the admins and flipped users one by one. Via the VPN service they were
running they obtained the real dox to over a hundred users - and at the
end of the operation there were world-wide arrests where the entire
network was taken down.
One of the guys who got away was Max Butler. He is the subject of a great Kevin Poulsen book called Kingpin
which tells the tale of ShadowCrew and what Max Butler did next. He
setup the next forum: Carders Market. He consolidated the market again
by hacking all the small competing sites, taking their databases and
dumping them all into Carders Market then redirecting the sites. The
users of the other sites could login to Carders Market and see all their
old posts and info, now all centralized.
One of the biggest users on the new Carders Market was Alberto Gonzales,
aka SoupNazi. He was the kid that was caught by the police officer in
New York making the ATM withdrawals and flipped into a Secret Service
cooperator. At the time he was still on the books at the Secret Service,
earning $100k a year for providing information. He was also one of the
most successful hackers in history - his crew hacked dozens of sites
over a span of 5-6 years and stole hundreds of millions of credit cards.
There is a great profile of Alberto Gonzales in the NYTimes magazine
from a few years ago. The way he was caught is a brilliant lesson in
OPSec. Alberto was wholesaling his cards to a guy in the Ukraine called
Maksik. The network in the USA simply wasn't large enough to absorb all
the cards and info Alberto had stolen so Maksik was his bridge to the
Russian networks. In Russia these crews run with impunity - the deal
there is that the Russian government lets them be as long as they do not
target Russian banks or institutions. This is why you often find that
the Russian carders boast that they are carders in their social media
profiles, posting pictures of their Porsche's, new apartments, wads of
US cash, etc. They even go as far as use their real names in Western
Union transfers.
The US government finally figured out who Maksik was and lured him to
Turkey. While he was out by the pool US agents broke into his hotel
room and backdoored his laptop so that it would store chat logs. His
drive was encrypted yet they still managed to backdoor it via hardware.
They saw him speaking to a guy in the USA by the name of SoupNazi, who
was Alberto, and they saw that he was buying a lot of cards
from this guy. Some of these cards matched up to some of the largest
unsolved hack attacks in the USA - the type of hacks that were
mainstream news at the time like Subway and TJMax. Alberto and Maxim
spoke for hours at a time each day, and it was a single slipup that
identified Gonzales - Maksik referred to him by an old alias from
Gonzales' ShadowCrew days. The secret service then immediately knew that
this big mysterious hacker who they had been chasing for years was on
their own payroll.
They built a case up against Maksik and had him held in Turkey. They
picked up all of Gonzalez's associates - a crew of 4 or so who were
breaking into networks by wardriving (where you place a large antenna on
a car and find open or breakable corporate WiFi networks). Half the
associates flipped against Alberto and he ended up going to trial on
federal conspiracy charges, getting 25 to life.
At the same time the Secret Service again infiltrated Carders Market
and tracked down Max Butler (the DPR of his time) to a small unit in San
Francisco. He was arrested and the Secret Service took over running
Carders Market. Over a year or so they again built up profiles of all
the users and again conducted large-scale arrests which saw dozens
around the world arrested.
Two of the largest underground carding sites both infiltrated and
exploited by the Secret Service leading to multiple arrests, all in less
than a decade.
With Carders Market gone a whole new slate of small sites and forums
sprung up. There was an entirely new generation of carders who would
hear about credit card fraud on the news, hear about the riches involved
and then do a Google search and find the nearest English language
carding forum. This new generation was running forums as Tor hidden
services. When the hidden services first came to popularity most of the
sites were carding sites. The more popular one of these was Tor Carding
Forum (TCF).
The problem with the new generation of sites is much like what we are
seeing now: a lot of new sites taking advantage of the popularity of
the market but no site admins who were like Gonzales or Butler - guys
who ran very efficient multi-hundreds of million dollar operations for
years. The new generation were all younger kids who were more interested
in quick ways to make money and would stop at nothing.
They were all ill suited to run carding forums and bought an entirely
new level of naivety. The reason why the Russians are so successful and
are still operating the same networks today 20 years later is not just
because of their deal with the government, but because their crews
consist of the best security guys, the best ID guys, the best money
launderers, the best accountants, the best lawyers, the best hackers,
etc. TCF and similar English language forums were letting anybody in as a
member, were not cooperating as crews and were mostly lone wolf type
hackers who would join the forum, get ripped off for $100 by being sold a
tutorial that was 10 years out of date and then being sold card data
for $50 each that the Russians would sell for $2 each.
This new generation was 16 to 24 year old kids living with their
parents and carding a few hundred dollars worth of goods per month and
thinking they were on top of the world - the best hackers in the world
because they figured out you could get a free Netflix or porn site
subscription.
There were a few things these guys weren't prepared for. First is
that to the government it doesn't matter if you are a kid messing about
with a dozen cards or if you are Alberto Gonzales, the federal
conspiracy charge is the same and the amount of time you will serve is
the same. They are absolutely no match for the combined efforts of the
federal law enforcement agencies, even now with the benefit of Tor and
hidden services. Second they were not prepared to take on the Russian
crews. TCF and its market would be regularly infiltrated by Russian
hackers who would extract anything of value running on the forums.
TCF was hacked for the last time in January. The database was leaked
and a lot of the users ended up getting hacked themselves. By this point
the admins of the site were getting bored and tired of the carding
scene and had started to hear about the new big way to earn money on the
darknets: underground drug markets. Months before TCF was hacked for
the last time some of the admins got together and decided that they
would expand TCF into an underground drug market. That drug market
launched just after the last TCF hack and is what we know today as
Evolution.
I've been hanging out in this sector for a long time so I was on TCF
before the hack and as this market was being discussed. The difference
between the level of conversation and general skills on display at TCF
and the Russian markets is heaven and earth. The Russian forums have
entire sections of their forums dedicated to discussions where ATM's are
disassembled, exploits are developed for Adobe Flash or Acrobat
(exploits that the members find themselves and don't report - otherwise
known as 0day), sections where the latest holograms and credit card
security features are discussed.
In contrast on the TCF forum the average thread is someone begging to
be given a free card dump, someone else selling an old tutorial or
someone asking for the one thousandth time how to get started. There are
one or two legit members but most of the forum is a shit show of
incompetence and kids who are lining up to be sent away for long club
fed time.
TCF reached a low point earlier this year, and I just happen to be in
the middle of the story. A popular scheme over the past few years on
forums has been a very simple Ponzi scheme aimed at members of gaming
forums, hardware acceleration forums, etc. There was a user on TCF who
was semi-known and semi-reputable. He posted a scheme that looked
something like this (original post gone) on the forum:
I've been involved in a lot of penny stock trading recently on the
London OTC exchange after meeting a banker in a bar who told me about
how to manipulate the market. I've made over £10,000 this month. He
taught me how to read the markets and how to know what is going on. Here
are some of my trades that I earned on this month:
[shows trades in the past with stock increasing 100%+]
I'm now prepared to scale up this scheme and invite a select group of
users to invest along side me and realize the same sort of returns I
am. I am offering two investment packages:
Option 1. Minimum investment £5000. 5 slots available. I will send
you a link to signup for a brokerage account and every few days I will
send you a stock to buy and then notify you when to sell it. You don't
pass me the money, you invest yourself. In return I get 20% of your
profits.
Option 2. Minimum investment £100. I invest your money for you and
you join my fund and I guarantee you a 14% return per week. 20 slots
available (3 sold!)
Users would normally be skeptical, but the fears would be allayed by
sock puppet accounts who would talk about the returns on Option 1. "Hey,
try option 1 if you are nervous". Option 1 is just a distraction from
the real Ponzi scheme - which is option 2. Over the next few days he
will post updated trades from option 1 showing their returns, with
sockpuppet accounts talking up how much they made. Since option 1 then
'sells out' (but hey, we have a waiting list!) most users then signup
for option 2, a little at first then bit by bit more and more.
Here is the ultimate irony of this Ponzi scheme. Were you to go to
the section of TCF where all those shitty tutorials are for sale (just
as they are now on Evolution market) one of the tutorials for sale for a
few hundred dollars was 'How to make $10,000 per month'. The tutorial
was an exact description of how to run this Ponzi scheme, word-for-word
pasted in introduction section, the terms to use to make it appear like
you know what you are talking about with trading (the guy who ran this
scheme on TCF was an unemployed web designer) how to find the 'winning'
stocks for Option 1, how to convince people to part with their money
etc.
There is a brilliant writeup on WeirderWeb about the exact same
scheme taking hold on the BlackHatSEO forums, the original article is
down but the mirror on archive.org is still available and it really is worth a read.
Had anybody on TCF bothered to check their own tutorials they would
have seen this. Worse yet, had anybody bothered to copy that original
message and paste it into a search engine they would see hundreds of
hits for the exact same original message on thousands of forums around
the web. In 99% of those cases the thread is ignored, someone replies
with 'scam!' or a moderator removes the thread.
But not on TCF. Not only were there plenty of people who bought into
the scheme, the administrators of the site 'vouched' for option 1 as a
legitimate offer. This is a rubber stamp meaning that the offer is safe.
All throughout the forum thread whenever there was a doubter pointing
out the obvious ponzi scheme elements of the scheme they would always be
shouted down with 'but it is vouched!'.
The guy running the scheme would make some payouts, but he would
setup the scheme with capacity slots, and if you withdrew money you
would go back into the queue. The number of people actually invested was
25 times larger than the number of people he said were invested. The
amount of money invested was around 100 times larger than the revealed
amount of money invested.
The OP of the thread was late on payments just as TCF was shutdown
for the last time and everybody was migrated to the new Evolution
forums. At this time with the migration to Evolution, TCF had been down
from their hack for a couple of weeks and nobody had heard from
Samuraiprint - the guy running the ponzi scheme (or 'investment
opportunity', in TCF parlance).
The old thread is lost, but here is a link to the new thread where the scheme continued on Evolution (thread title changed when it was realized that it was a scam):
Title: Samuraiprint/TCF topic: Invest and Multiply your money and be scammed
Hi all,
Anyone tried this ?
I took option 2.
The 1 st payment and communication with Samuraiprint were perfect,
but from last saturday and tcf down, it seems that it's not even the
same person behind his icq.
Brief history : Saturday : On icq, he told me he will pay at 3PM,
nothing... Same time, I registered to hbb, find that he had an old topic
there under the pseudo stocktrading, and send him a pm. Pm was read but
never answered. On icq, he told me to check at 9PM, nothing... All of
that using some words that don't go with Samuraiprint usual language.
Sunday : No icq cnx. The name of his tread on hbb was modified to fit
the same exact tcf's one. Some posts from the op were also modified.
Monday : I received an add from another icq # 653196796, telling me his
other account got hacked and to give him 24 hrs to fix everything. He
was able to give me the amount I invested to identify himself...but that
could maybe be found in the history of the other icq... Today: He was
online on icq but doesn't answer to me. Now he doesn't stop login and
logout just few seconds after... Something wrong with Samuraiprint. 1/
He got hacked for real or 2/ It's a pretty scam. Who said : "what is too
good to be true..." ?
reply 1:
MrMouse Member
Sounds like a scam.
reply 2:
well.. his thread at TCF actually in verified section. i did chat
with him yesterday thou.. hes basically saying want to get rid of some
members from option1, especially who doesnt have knowledge in stock
market, probably impatient client or some sort he did tell me his icq
acc and including email is hacked. so i ask him several questions,etc..
he got it right thou.. so i assumed his new icq account is not impostor.
ive asked him if he will register here, he said no.. dont > have
time for that, and registration already closed for new member long time
ago anyway
reply 3:
I also invested with Samurai for option 2. This last weekend was
supposed to be my first payout and pretty much what you said happened.
reply 5:
I know what you mean. Nothing about him pointed to being a scammer
and he definitely knows his stuff. I really do hope this is just a speed
bump and I receive the rest of my payouts and on time.
Samuraiprint shows up at reply #25, apologetic:
samuraiprint reply #1 screenshot
and so on .. the thread continues with "investors" not wanting to
give up on the dream of untold riches, despite all the obvious clues.
There are some sock puppet accounts that talk about being paid. It drags
on for 7 pages, and eventually some users figure out that this guy has
taken them for hundreds of thousands of dollars.
The guys who signed up to a carding forum with dreams of becoming
rich with credit card fraud had been scammed themselves by the simplest
of ponzi schemes. Like most ponzi schemes there are still victims who in
the end refuse to believe they were scammed - it must be because
samuraiprint was taken by the Mafia, or arrested for insider trading, or
perhaps the Russians got to him.
On around the 25th of January the thread starts fading out. The
admins come back in and post that it isn't their fault users got scammed
with option 2 - they had only verified option 1! They also accepted no
blame for not banning the user, and one admin admits that he himself had
money tied up in the scheme.
What happens next takes this story from a crazy ironic incidents
where amateur scammers got scammed to something that is borderline sheer
lunacy. There was a semi-known user on the forums called 'Gold'. He was
the type of user who would reply to almost any thread, just to get
noticed and build up his post count. In 3 months he went from a nobody
to being known on the forum, he sold stolen card data in the markets.
This is what he posted on the 31st of January, about a week after the last ponzi scheme collapsed:
gold post #1 screenshot
The sheer audacity of this guy - a week after the last ponzi
scheme and another user who was obviously waiting his turn tries his
hand at a similar scam.
You'd think these users would be wary by now, but here are the first 3 replies - reproduced verbatim:
Vouch for this user, have worked with him on various things with big money involved. I think I might buy a few slots soon!
two:
Extremely interested. Should have the funds to do this very soon.
three:
I vouch for him as well, he knows what he is doing and i am buying one for myself. cheers.
Here is a private message I got a day after this was posted:
Hey You really opened my eyes in regards to samuraiprint, but it was
too late. However now a new listing that smells the same to me came up
and I want to know your opinion. I would really like to avoid losing
more money, what do you think of this?
He linked to the Gold scheme above. You can't make this shit up -
these idiots are falling for the same thing twice in less than 2 weeks. I
messaged the admins and after a long chain of messages going back and
forward involving me trying to convince them that this was just another
scam, they locked the thread:
I personally am not going to allow any type of investing here or on TCF regardless of status.
But they didn't lock it because they accepted it was another ponzi
scheme, they locked it just because there was a new policy of not
allowing investment schemes. The same guy then ended up running the same
scheme on another carding forum which he happily linked to in another
thread and from his profile.
So what does this have to do with anything?
The same group of people who ran TCF and saw it hacked, the same
group of people who aggregated a group of very naive and young wanna-be
carders, the same group that fell for a ponzi scheme twice, who trade in
horrible out of date tutorials that rip people off, the same group of
people that are likely the subjects of a federal investigation into a
credit card fraud conspiracy, the same group of people whose forum has
likely been infiltrated by the Secret Service and other federal agencies
in the same way Shadow Crew and Carders Market were - that same group
of people built and are now running Evolution Marketplace.
What is happening here is that the carding world and our DNM world
are steadily beginning to merge. You have DNM sites that are adding
sections for credit cards and tutorials and you then have carding forums
that are building marketplaces that are adding sections to drugs. I've
mentioned this previously in another thread. I strongly believe this is a
bad thing for DNMs and that 'we' want to be as far away as possible
from the world of carding.
In the English-language carding world the level of opsec is horrible,
the general level of technical skill in the English-language carding
world is low and the presence of law enforcement is pervasive. There are
numerous law enforcement agencies that have been dedicated to taking
down the English language carding forums and networks for a long time.
These guys have been running infiltration operations for over a decade
and are very very good at what they do, as demonstrated by the number of
arrests and indictments in that community.
On the drugs side and with DNM's law enforcement is nowhere near the
level of capability to carry out this level of ops. The further away we
stay from the carding world the better off we will be. I'm certain the
secret service would love to wrap in a whole bunch of drug conspiracy
charges with their next large-scale takedown of a carding market, and
would be happy to show the various drug agencies how it is done. The
DNM's need to isolate themselves and let the carders be attracted by the
headlines of fraud riches and leave us here with our drug markets.
All that this would involve is DNM's not listing credit cards or
fraud services, and in-turn DNM users not using markets that sprung up
from the carding world - especially not markets that are run by a group
of admins that couldn't prevent a forum from being hacked and who were
the victims of not one, but two ponzi schemes in less than a couple of
months.
I believe people should be able to buy/sell whatever they want but
from a practical opsec perspective guns, fraud and drugs should be
separated.
There is so much law enforcement attention on credit card fraud right
now, especially as they are being prompted to act after the high
profile Target and Neiman Marcus hacks.
Those very same cards are available for sale on the evolution marketplace.
That vendor, iSellPizza (known as 'pizza' for short) is infamous - he
is by far the #1 seller in the English speaking world and sources his
dumps directly from the RU groups. He also runs his own autoshop (which
is just an independent website where you can buy dumps according to your
own specifications). He almost certainly has a lot of LE attention on
him.
Flash back for a moment to the original Silk Road - it ran without
much attention for two and a half years. It wasn't until the story in
Gawker which lead to the widespread publicity that any action was taken.
It was the letter from Senators Schumer and Manchin
which directly lead to the Senate enquiry which lead to the DOJ + FBI
investigation into Silk Road. That was the chain of events which lead to
SR1 and DPR1 going down.
When you have that type of publicity politicians and LE feel
compelled to act. In that same chain of events, the carders are now at
the point where public pressure is again leading LE to act - and their
targets are almost certainly going to be the online carding marketplaces
and autoshops.
So the question is with all of this public attention on carders,
where do the drug markets want to be? Tied up with them directly or as
far away as possible?
Separating the drug markets would involve:
a. the regular DNM's not listing fraud items
b. drug vendors and users not using the fraud markets
I feel like there should be a clear delineation and users should be made aware.
The other category for debate is if drug DNM's should list guns or
not - since that is also attracting a lot of heat at the moment, with
Instagram, Reddit and Facebook gun sales featuring in the media
recently.
I'd prefer drug markets stick to drugs, and drug buyers and vendors stick to those markets.
edit: to add, its not just that evolution are involved with fraud
which brings attention, its that they are bad at what they do - getting
hacked, infiltrated frequently, getting scammed etc. it is a completely
different type of user that make the newbie posts on /r/silkroad look like geniuses.
Of course, Evolution hasn't yet had major problems, but as the_avid
points out, SR1 seemed as solid as a rock but all the court filings have
emphasized that it was more like Swiss cheese, and I imagine backopy
was deeply shocked to be hacked after 2 years of successful operation
and even more shocked when almost his entire staff was simultaneously
rolled up by police. Some additional links:
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