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[–]The_Madhouse 10 points11 points  (6 children)

Your headers are gonna be a problem for you I used slowloris to do a simple slowhttp dos attack and it dropped your site like a brick. You should look up techniques to mitigate this especially because dos seems to be a problem for markets lately

[–]defiantlyfucked 8 points9 points  (20 children)

You want to be different?

Switch to Multi-sig only escrow.

People will be begging you to stay after 12 months.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (7 children)

If you want to become a small niche market with no big vendors and a very small community then yes, a multi-sig only market is the way to go. Just force multi-sig on orders above $250/$1000 and you have something much more tangible, and something vendors would seek out. It wouldn't affect all orders, but it would affect the important big ones, which is a perfect excuse to get technical for anyone spending amounts which could hurt to lose. Multi-sig is great, but there's zero ease of use.

[–]defiantlyfucked 0 points1 point  (6 children)

Think about it from the vendor's standpoint.

Why the fuck not?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (5 children)

I am a vendor and I have nothing against multi-sig. I would love a multi-sig only market to take off but I am afraid it won't happen until someone comes up with a seamless integration. I can go into details and give you stats, but in short: Not even 5% of the customers use multi-sig because it's too hard and technical for them. Unless that's solved a multi-sig only market won't take off.

[–]defiantlyfucked 0 points1 point  (4 children)

You seem very certain.

They are obviously trying to be different, and I am just throwing out a suggestion that makes sense, and eliminates the trust barrier.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children)

It's just my opinion so it shouldn't stop anyone from creating a multi-sig market. But in my opinion, a multi-sig market could become big if it centralized small orders and forced multi-sig on the ones above a certain price range. Because then people will actually start to care about their money enough to follow a technical tutorial and secure their funds. Personally I have trouble sleeping when there's $500-$2k in escrow and the product is still en-route.

[–]defiantlyfucked 0 points1 point  (2 children)

People care when their only other option is to FE. And those who do not will learn real quick. You are on to something with the small orders being centralized.

We need something different.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think EIC is working on 25/50/75/100% FE options which are also strict privileges set by vendor levels. It's not live, but us vendors on there have been pushing out a lot of suggestions which they seem to be working on. They are also working on a multi-sig implementation.

[–]fnordepsilon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

FE is not the only option if there is another market offering centralized escrow. If customers want centralized escrow and sellers are willing, someone will provide it. It seems to be here to stay until an alternative with similar usability is presented. You can't force people to use a shitty implementation of multisig.

[–]Vendor_BBMC -1 points0 points  (5 children)

Why? When Evolution did an exit scam, did vendors only lose money in "traditional" escrow? If Silk Road 2 also offered multisig escrow, Defcon would have stolen it too because Defcon coded it. UNLESS YOU CAN SEE THE CODE, YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW AN ESCROW WORKS, or who really controls it.

Most thefts occur by preventing vendors from withdrawing their post-escrow earnings. I'm pleased that this marketplace has listened to the BTVA campaign to ditch the unnecessary "Evo / Sheep" onsite wallet. When you release the escrow, it makes that cash register sound on my android phone while I'm grocery shopping or in the lab making drugs.

There are two reasons for vendors to not offer escrow:-

  1. We don't trust the marketplace will still be here / let us withdraw our earnings tomorrow.

  2. We want to renege on the deal we struck ie scam you, send inferior products, we don't have it in stock, we need your cash to buy MXE from China, or we can't be bothered to post it this week.

What I don't like about this markeplace is automatic PGP. Its what a market run by carders would use to see your name and address for identity theft. If the server is cloned by the FBI, they can decrypt everything that the server encrypted for you.

[–]throw_always 6 points7 points  (2 children)

My observations:

  • Looks like from the same makers of Absolem / Havana. Same front-end coding style and writing style. Someone have yet to pentest.
  • Amazon thing is funny and so a bad choice, can't take it serious and would not use it but i PROMISE to support the market just for the lols. Everybody move to Amazon now please!

[–]sobulbous 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Cue the Amazon Dark Refund Vendors.

[–]impost_r 10 points11 points  (16 children)

You promising to close down the market after 1 year doesn't mean anything.. Inb4 exit scam in 6 months.

[–]InfinitelyOutThere 2 points3 points  (13 children)

Exactly what I was going to say.

[–]defiantlyfucked -3 points-2 points  (12 children)

All you mods rag on the little guys.

Why defend the old guard, just because they are having good uptime this week?

[–]DareToHope 3 points4 points  (11 children)

All you mods

I see one. Yup just one.

Any new market is going to get scepticism, and a lot of it until it has been around long enough to earn some form of trust. Thats just how it is now.

[–]defiantlyfucked 0 points1 point  (1 child)

It's just a trend I am seeing. There are a bunch of usernames on the mod list. Sorry about that.

[–]DNMThrowawayyfoe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There's 4.

[–]defiantlyfucked 0 points1 point  (2 children)

I just wish people here would put as much thought as they do in, say, a vendor template. How would the #1 market rank if held to that standard, or anything similar?

[–]DareToHope 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I wish people would put effort into a lot of things, everything would be way fucking better. But at the end of the day, sometimes people get lazy and that's just how it is. :(

[–]defiantlyfucked 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Perhaps it is just the meth, but I will not sleep until this changes.

[–]impost_r 0 points1 point  (5 children)

They removed my mod status?

[–]InfinitelyOutThere 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Excuse me?

[–]DareToHope 0 points1 point  (0 children)

his name rhymes with goosey

[–]impost_r 0 points1 point  (2 children)

YOU GUYS REMOVED MY MOD STATUS?!

[–]InfinitelyOutThere 0 points1 point  (0 children)

lulz

[–]orevilo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Looks like you called it.

[–]Trance_Forming 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Inb4 spends the next 12 months designing a new market and announcing that it's the same admins but completely redesigned to make LE have to restart their investigation, thus buying them another 12 to design another market.

[–]defiantlyfucked 7 points8 points  (2 children)

Advertising "Automatic PGP encryption on communications and delivery information."

Is promoting poor OPSEC.

[–]sapiophile 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah. It's a good thing to do, but a lot less good if you tell people about it. Then they get lazy. Strange, but true.

[–]Baraclough-X 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Many buyers cannot distinguish sensitive from non-sensitive information. Like sapiophile mentioned, letting a site do all the work will only reinforce bad habits among buyers. TO ALL NOOBS: please encrypt EVERYTHING that you communicate with your vendor! Some vendors find this annoying. To those vendors I say: tough titties, deal with it. Encouraging consistently positive opsec among buyers more than offsets the marginally higher workload vendors have if they have to decrypt all messages.

[–]darkkhalizzle 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is going to be an interesting couple of weeks!

[–]ciphersexual 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I know you said that you will rarely communicate outside of the market. Does that mean you won't be creating your own subreddit for the market?

[–]HerbalExpressVendor 2 points3 points  (6 children)

After getting fucked over by AGAPE we've moved our operation over to here, hopefully we can pick up where we left off although we're putting a lot of faith into the Amazon Dark team to not fuck us over. So far they've been really helpful with getting us set up so fingers crossed.

[–]GeneralStarkk 0 points1 point  (5 children)

How did you get fucked over by AGAPE? I haven't heard anything from them lately.

[–]HerbalExpressVendor 0 points1 point  (4 children)

We got all set up on their market, took a couple of orders then got locked out when they took their server down, leaving them with all the BTC our customers had transferred to their multi-sig wallets.

[–]GeneralStarkk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wow thats really shitty. Sorry to hear and I hope you are still doing well.

[–]MXEMan 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Finally an answer to all the people I keep hearing say that darknet markets aren't Amazon or eBay. XD

[–]toopeasinapod 1 point2 points  (1 child)

amazon take bitcoin

fuck yes

[–]Grad-u-ate 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Actually if you use the website gyft, they accept bitcoin for amazon gift card, and a bunch of other stores. It's great for vendors to launder money.

[–]throw_me_away22236 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I like the market from what I see so far, its good the multi-sig doesnt require sending the coins to the site and +1 for automatic withdrawals on all coins!

Good luck

[–]Trappy_Pandora 0 points1 point  (3 children)

What is your plan for if amazon sues you for trademark infringement? Or sends you a cease and desist PM with lots of frowny faces?

[–]Trappy_Pandora -1 points0 points  (1 child)

You underestimate amazon.

[–]Raycay1 0 points1 point  (1 child)

How much is a bendor bond? Im thinking about trying to make a vendor account to sell mxp, not the beloved mxe but its lesser traveled cousin. My reasoning is the availibility of mxe right now and maybe if i offered the alternative at fair prices correctly labeled, the market would open up for it? What does anyone think? Is it worth it?

[–]throw_me_away22236 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There is no bond I dont think. Its optional to get upgraded I think

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    [–]ErraticWire 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Will any items be Prime eligible? Heh.

    [–]smokingdickhead 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    amazon is already getting enough grief with double dips . theyll probably get more freaked out with a dnm named after them.

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    Must be down, all get is "error please contact support whenever i visit"

    [–]darkouterwear 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    refresh the page

    [–]xanax_xombie 0 points1 point  (2 children)

    I'd be interested to see what some of the more veteran DNM OPSec critics have to say about this site, personally I miss the days of private boards, and cash / WU transactions. Every vendor lived on their reputation whispered on secret boards and SOS, barely any exit scamming shit, those were the days.

    I hope this market is the real deal, and not the reincarnation of Verto / Kimble making their second round of fuck you's to vendors and customers.

    [–]xanax_xombie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Me and you were on very different boards, the lowest thing I could find was ounces of rocks / powder, and sheets of lucy, lbs of weed. Not a whole lot of cola / meth / heroin that I ever saw, really just the lucy / molly / weed / pharms (xanax and vicodin).

    I dropped out of that scene because I wasn't moving weight, just personal, so I backed out of that circle... though I'm sure that circle still exists somewhere.

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (6 children)

    Don't u think Amazon will be out to shut u down? Because thats associating their name with some sketchy shit. But honestly people who starts these markets you have some huge balls!

    [–]throw_always 2 points3 points  (2 children)

    That's a good observation. SR1 and SR2 public documents have proven that the FBI agents for DNM are under-funded and lack tech know how. Amazon could fund them like there is no tomorrow and give 'em tech know how. Could also DDOS with all their cloud power FOREVER. Amazon won't want their brand associated with this market if it gets known.

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

    Exactly! If Amazon felt the need they could provide funding and man power if they wanted considering amazon probably has their own solid tech teams , computing power, connections. Honestly they could even attempt to shut them down by themselves I mean who are the market owners going to cry to? I honestly hope in a couple of months I don't see a bunch of new Ross Ulbrichts. These people have huge balls. Honestly the move for the 12 month shelf life is pretty smart but announcing it was stupid. Now if any le is watching they know if they want to catch the owners admins etc they have to work fast and put them in focus.

    [–]TheGateKeepah 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    Now if any le is watching they know if they want to catch the owners admins etc they have to work fast and put them in focus.

    "Damnit boys, we can't spend the first 6 months ordering coke, claiming it's 'evidence.'"

    [–]thechildish -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    you could have come up with a more interesting name than Amazon Dark

    [–]GrandMasta216 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

    Checked the market out. Looks nice nothing different from any other dnm though. Hopefully some respected vendors get on it.

    [–]fuckwhiteyross10 -4 points-3 points  (1 child)

    thanks for not allowing murder for hire. Ross is a black hole on this industry and we dont want anyone following him

    [–]GeneralStarkk 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    You're quite the dedicated troll aren't you?

    [–]Id0notexist -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

    Items Not Permitte Firearms & Explosives Carding/Fraud Related Listings

    No fun

    [–]JustHangin12 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

    No human trafficking services? I'm not interested.

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