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[–]yougotnarcd 21 points22 points  (12 children)

Can confirm with high confidence that Budworx has been arrested.

[–]deGuermantes 2 points3 points  (5 children)

Yep think so. Bud regularly shipped from a location mentioned in the first post.

I am concerned about Top_Gear_UK too

[–]jamesjoyz 0 points1 point  (0 children)

fuck... I've been worrying about him big time

[–]jamesjoyz 0 points1 point  (3 children)

I am concerned about him too, but I've checked Agora not long ago and it says he logged on today.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

doesn't mean the cops didn't use his account

[–]AgoraMarket 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Agora has restricted the Budworx vendor account, I just checked.

[–]pinkprincess1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If LE have his log in, then in all probability they would log in.

[–]thewhite2chainz 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You should post that somewhere with higher visibility

[–]mad87645 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Dam. He was one of the few guys who could get shipments into australia regularly so more people were reselling his gear. I can see MDMA prices not dropping anytime soon.

[–]Tea_for_all 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Can you please elaborate on your reasons for knowing this? In the wake of the SR1 bust people made a similar claim regarding Technohippy and JesusOfRave, supposedly they lived where the arrests occurred (Manchester), but they had not been arrested.

[–]_-________________-_ 20 points21 points  (11 children)

Keep this in context... Think of the hours of manpower that went into all this fruitless stupidity. Hundreds of LE personnel cumulatively working 100,000s of hours. To bust six people. Wow, color me impressed.

That's six vendors down, about... 2,000 to go?

I know that darknet UK dealing will now cease completely now that these six have been arrested. Nope, it will now take another multi-million hour manpower operation to get the next set of six vendors. And six brand-new vendors will rush in to take these guy's places, when there's "quid" to be made.

LE has essentially infinite resources at their disposal, in contrast to your average vendor. Six people.

Yippee.

[–]sobulbous 4 points5 points  (9 children)

Attacking the supply is such a half assed approach. Someone will always be there to take advantage of an opportunity to make some quid.

[–]LongLiveThe_King 8 points9 points  (8 children)

Exactly. For whatever reason LE seems to think that demand is a symptom of supply, when its actually the other way around.

As long as I, and a bunch of other people, are willing to pay good money to get high there will be drugs available.

[–]sobulbous 8 points9 points  (7 children)

Exactly which is why the war on drugs is pointless. Demand will always be there, so attacking supply just puts control in someone else's hands.

Just to play devil's advocate here...if they targeted demand via education and treatment, the war on drugs would cost a fraction of what it does now. You wouldn't have the immediate impact of taking "criminals" off the street but there would be a generational shift on the view of drugs in society. This course of action would have a larger impact than the current methods, but it lacks the headline appeal and the right now mentality out of it.

I'm a firm believer that the methods used up until this point spawned dangerous research chemicals that have not been assessed for long term effects on humans. The fact that people take these chemicals, because of fear of legal repercussions, is more proof that demand will never subside and the war on drugs is an epic failure.

[–]pinkprincess1 1 point2 points  (4 children)

In all honesty, I don't think education would make a damned bit of difference, other than your view on altering the view of drugs in society. Look at the horror stories kids are told in school about heroin, LSD and so on....does it stop them taking it? No, if they want to they will.

Drugs are like anything else. People take them because it's fun to them, to escape...for whatever reason. Bottom line is because they want to. It's the same as anything else, smoking cigarettes, alcohol, eating sugary food....it may not be the best thing for people, but they do it because they still want to, and in most cases know the risk but are prepared to take it or ignore it.

[–]thenegropuppy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I honestly don;t see the use of drugs any different to other facets of life. For example- Tommy likes to go skydiving. He enjoys the hobby immensely and pays good money to do it. He knows the risks involved including serious injury or death but chooses to still do this hobby as a free-thinking adult, with his interest not adversely impacting anyone else. This is morally, socially and legally acceptable but using drugs is not?

[–]sobulbous 1 point2 points  (2 children)

I'm talking about real unbiased education. Not horror stories and propaganda, actual scientific data about this stuff. It might not curb demand but at least it will give knowledge and insight into these substances that is currently reserved for the select few that read Erowid before partaking.

Marijuana went through a generational shift. Regardless of its effects and harmfulness compared to other drugs, it still was deemed as evil by the society of previous generations. The shift was made with actual education rather than propaganda.

If you are gonna compare illicit drugs to coffee and sugary foods, then you understand that the real win would come from altering the view of society. Viewing drug users as people rather than criminals would be a monumental step.

[–]pinkprincess1 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Oh I do understand that would be the win...I was agreeing with you on that. Was just saying that people are going to do what they want to do regardless...but real education could only be a good thing, especially as you said only a select few read Erowid, and only a few more than that read reddit (and sorry to say some of the 'advice' and 'experiences' on certain other subs is questionable at best).

EDIT: And stopping viewing users as thieves and criminals would be awesome.

[–]sobulbous 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Agreed, liberty is a beautiful thing and we all should have it as long as we don't harm others in the process.

[–]Hyoscine 0 points1 point  (1 child)

"...if they targeted demand via education"

You just reminded me of an insane special assembly we had at my primary school in the eighties.

[–]autowikibot 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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[–]Tea_for_all 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not all vendors are equal. budworx was one of the top UK vendors, and when it came to MDMA quality they shared top place with Bisto.

[–]toyouteam_PR 12 points13 points  (8 children)

This is not good news, but then again if these vendors did not have tight OPSEC then it may have made it safer for buyers.

As for the ToYouTeam, we are all OK and evaluating where to setup shop in addition to Evo - Agora seems the logical choice but we are willing to look at alternatives.

We luckily did not lose much £ as we withdraw hourly and all SR2 orders that we could see were shipped.

We would like to remind our customers to ALWAYS use PGP for sensitive information (preaching to the choir with the audience here I know but. . . )

If any of our customers have a preferred market outside of Evo and Ag please let us know and we will consider setting up there.

Stay safe all.

[–]dnm9113 0 points1 point  (5 children)

Good to see you're not one of them, you've been my go-to chop vendor for a while now.

[–]toyouteam_PR 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Are you a ToYouTeam VIP member or a market customer? And do you have a view on which markets we should start vending on?

[–]yodyerbal0 1 point2 points  (1 child)

i am not OP but i am a old customer of yours from back on sheep :-)

i would say themarketplace but it is very quiet now. used to be busy but has been in decline. shame because its got great features and security.

only other market i use now is agora. sometimes has downtime but i am surpirsed how fast it is since sr2 has gone down. almost seems too good, kind of scared of it being exposed as a honeypot or being siezed after yesterdays news.

edit: should say i am glad to see you are still active and not affected by this. you are good vendor with great comms. will be watching to see where you set up shop next. stay safe.

[–]toyouteam_PR 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for kind words about us, we are on Evo currently (have been for a while now) and likely will start on Agora in the next few days.

We will post here with an update next week.

[–]dnm9113 0 points1 point  (1 child)

I'm a regular market customer but would love to be a VIP member in case of anything like this happening on an even wider scale. At the moment it looks like I'm going to be using Evo and Agora exclusively unless anything pops up. Luckily all of my other regular vendors for different substances are selling on either/or.

[–]Theeconomist1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What is a VIP member? Do u buy off the market or something?

[–]crackwidow 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Good to hear you guys are okay.

[–]toyouteam_PR 0 points1 point  (0 children)

thanks.

[–]Heynow6969 7 points8 points  (5 children)

Weigh the risks and rewards here if your a drug dealer, or someone who wants to start selling drugs......

Option A) Sell dope on the corner in front of the quick stop, make $300, get shot in a drive by, make another $300, then get swooped up by local PD.

Option 2) Sell on the darknet where you can work in a controlled environment, you earn THOUSANDS per day and the odds of being arrested are 16 out of 3,000.

Fact is that all street dealers big and small get caught, or at least 99% of them and the effort it takes to arrest these dealers is minimal.

This whole bullshit operation has seriously got me thinking about selling drugs now! Wait so I could sell drugs on the darknet and not meet my customers, make millions of dollars and the odds of being arrested are 16 out of 3,000?? Sign me up!!!

[–]looeee2 2 points3 points  (4 children)

get shot in a drive by

ummm not in the UK

[–]RonPaulsErectCock 1 point2 points  (0 children)

London, Manchester...

[–]pinkprincess1 -1 points0 points  (2 children)

Does happen

[–]FloodsofAmnesia 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Not enough to be expected.

[–]pinkprincess1 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

No you're right, not really. Stabbed is more probable.

[–]patricialeg[S] 4 points5 points  (3 children)

As three of the arrests were all in Aberdovey it might have been better to say 3 vendors arrested as it's very likely all the ones there worked together.

[–]RoscoeMG 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Dunno if you've ever been there but it's a tiny seaside town in Wales, absolutely beautiful.

[–]MangiferaIndica -1 points0 points  (1 child)

Sounds like a couple and maybe their son since both of them are 58 and the other man was 29 years younger.

[–]pharmaninja 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'd think the son was selling out of his bedroom and the couple didn't have a clue.

[–]Br1skT1ske 2 points3 points  (6 children)

a few vendors that havent logged in 24 hours+.

panacea 4.96/5, 500~1000 deals 1 day

FunkyUnicorn 2 days

Maybe im slow but it looks like Budworx profile is gone from Agora.

[–]Tomz0r 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Panacea confirmed as fine and operating.

[–]Jtrn1273 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Somebody please say Nelson Muntz is ok?

[–]aprons 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Haw haw.

[–]Cir0c 1 point2 points  (5 children)

Fucking hell cleethorpes, only a few mile from me.

[–]ass-fister 0 points1 point  (4 children)

You live in the UK but use miles as a measurement of distance? Why not the metric system?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children)

We use both systems depending on what we're measuring, nobody uses km for driving distance in the UK. It's weird.

[–]ass-fister 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Interesting. I did not know this.

[–]looeee2 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We use metric for most things but people are measured in Stone and Feet. I like being unable to compare my weight or height to anything that's not a person.

Where it gets weird is when we measure our fuel-economy in miles per gallon but buy the fuel in litres.

Weed always used to be imperial. Our smallest coin 1p weights 1/8th of an ounce which was perfect for balance scales but now digital scales are cheap and everywhere and grams are more common.

[–]Cir0c 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We use the Imperial system.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sure has been some disturbance lately. Any idea which vendors these are?

[–]cupoftea12345 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Think that they will be keeping an extra eye out on mail movements from these areas over the next few days? A friend of a friend ordered something tuesday which was marked as shipped but still not got anything. Also, think MR cronk has been taken down? Heard he was a pretty big vendor (1000+) and hasn't been online in 7 hours.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children)

LE are really going for it. My first though is was the vendors OPSEC up to top standard? I can't see how LE would find their identity unless they screwed up some how with OPSEC. I also have a feeling LE are trying to scare alot of vendors into backing out and scare buyers for making purchases. OPSEC will save you, use your common sense guys.

[–]nowitasshole 1 point2 points  (1 child)

At this stage we don't even know if they were caught due to their online activity. Could be a case that these were known dealers who were being watched to find their suppliers. If that's the case it wouldn't take much for the police to put 1+1 together if they're watching dealers posting packages on a daily basis.

[–]pinkprincess1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Exactly. It could be anything.

Maybe when they imaged the server, or DDoSd the site, they got the IP address and worked back. As more than 1 was from somewhere that's relatively small I think we can safely assume there is a connection, maybe the same vendor account.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

maybe they were sending out tracking numbers for every package

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You again?

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