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[–]lnsaf 32 points33 points  (3 children)

Evo2.0

[–]Vendor_BBMC 11 points12 points  (0 children)

If they play their CARDS right

[–]AgoraMarket 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Evo-Two-Tion™

[–]throwahooawayyfoe 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Evolution: Redux

[–]_Colorado_ 28 points29 points  (1 child)

Multi-sig that is easy to use after Evolution or GTFO.

Respectfully,

-CO

[–]IroncladOfficial[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Added on our TODO list

[–]qwvqwqvwwc 7 points8 points  (0 children)

If you can't do multisig after what just happened you can fuck right off

[–]ITakeDankShits 9 points10 points  (0 children)

/u/IroncladOfficial Can you provide us with a bit of information on your past affiliations with DNM's?

[–]roionsteroids 5 points6 points  (4 children)

How does a vendor become "trusted"?

Shipping Info are sent encrypted to the vendor

How do you enforce PGP?

[–]IroncladOfficial[S] 5 points6 points  (1 child)

Current requirements to become a trusted vendor are: - 100 Feedback count or more - At least 90% of Feedback score - Been vendor for at least 14 days

Or a similar history on another market.

PGP is enforced by not allowing to become a vendor until you set your public key in your profile settings. Once your a vendor you can edit your key but you cannot remove it.

Also keys are checked for validity

[–]Theeconomist1 2 points3 points  (1 child)

I would really like to know the answer to this as well...

[–]Sinji_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My assumption is the same way agora runs it, by verifying your presence on past markets. As for the PGP key thing I'm guessing they just force you to enter a key to register

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (5 children)

multisig or fuck off at this point. after all the shit thats happened and now evo. its multisig or bust.

[–]Vendor_BBMC 4 points5 points  (4 children)

When a customer releases the escrow, the bitcoin is either

a) Sent to the vendor's marketplace wallet. He then has to try to withdraw it

or

b) Sent to a wallet address he specifies (ie his own)

This new market sure picked the right day to hoover up a load of displaced vendors and their customers. What are the chances, eh? Must be a million to one.

Will ironclad go on to rob us? They seem to have thought of everything, this is clearly not their first market.

If the answer is b) they will tell us. They aren't planning to steal from vendors.

If the answer is a), this question will be quietly overlooked.

[–]IroncladOfficial[S] 2 points3 points  (3 children)

I have to say that the answer is A, however withdrawals on Ironclad are instant and you get a transaction ID in the moment you ask to withdraw funds.

Also as I already answered to another user I added multisig to our TODO list

[–]SilkyKush 2 points3 points  (2 children)

They're always instant and with a transaction ID until suddenly... they're not. Funny how option B cannot be added to your "TODO" list

[–]Atador 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It needs to be option B or multisig is pointless to implement.

[–]IroncladOfficial[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's kind of pointless to add this to our TODO right now.

Reason is simple, you fear that we lock withdrawals but what does stop us to lock money in escrow even after order is complete? Of course I am not saying we will, I just wanted to explain why this is pointless as of this moment.

However this will surely be a feature once multisig gets implemented

[–]rahduke 7 points8 points  (1 child)

hmm evo dead, ironclad opens hours later...coincidence?

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Probably. People launch new markets here on a semi-weekly basis. Problem is nobody ever has a reason to use them. Maybe their timing is just lucky.

[–]MitalikaSucks 3 points4 points  (11 children)

Vendor Fee: Free

Does it mean that you don't need to pay to become a vendor ?

Edited: And of course Good Luck!

[–]IroncladOfficial[S] 2 points3 points  (10 children)

Yes, it is currently free to become a vendor

[–]MitalikaSucks 2 points3 points  (9 children)

Doesn't it opens a scam possibility ? One-week vendors accounts and then disappearing

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (7 children)

New vendors have to use the escrow and I am assuming the buyer will be refunded 100% if a new vendor fails to deliver.

[–]IroncladOfficial[S] 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Exactly. And yes, refunds are 100%

[–]MitalikaSucks 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for the detailed answers. Will open an account later today

[–]InfinitelyOutThere 0 points1 point  (4 children)

But how does this protect vendors against scammers

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Do we have to spell it out to you?

[–]rappercake 0 points1 point  (2 children)

Tracking information and stuff can still be used as proof.

[–]throwahooawayyfoe 0 points1 point  (1 child)

since when has a scammer ever provided the correct tracking number?

[–]rappercake 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Depends on what you mean when you say correct. If they don't have any tracking info at all because they didn't send the pack then that's sketchy, but they could ship an empty pack to an undeliverable address near where OP lives then show that tracking number as "proof" that the buyer fucked up his address.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Keep in mind, mandatory escrow for new vendors.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Faster than Agora, made an account pretty quickly.

I don't like the name, Ironclad.

What was your intention/endgame to starting this?. 3-5% Vendor Commision is good if you get big, it has a potential to be a lot of profit. Do you have a vision and this as a long term 5+ year thing?.

Becoming a vendor is free right now but I assume you will want a certain balance in the account at some point to change to a vendor.

Whats your background?, making websites?, selling drugs?, operating TOR services?, I would think operating a DNM would require a large skill set.

How much does it cost to run your website per year/month right now as is?, how much do you expect operating costs to be?, are you looking for staff or do you have a staff already?.

If you do have a staff have they been involved in any other DNM's?.

What do you think of the Evolution market scam?.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

Nice try Kimble ;)

[–]alwayslookingformore 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Saw this post earlier today, and i thought it looked pretty decent. But then the Evo shit hit the fan and now, even if this dude is legit about his market, its going to take even longer than before to gain credibility. A lot of people are going to be tinking that Ironclad is run be the Evo owners.

Maybe it is, who knows.

[–]awaywethrowwwww 2 points3 points  (2 children)

"Jewellery" is spelled wrong in the sidebar! Should be "Jewelry".

[–]IroncladOfficial[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Whops, thank you, fixed it!

[–]earthmoonsun 0 points1 point  (0 children)

haha, good start, LE loves information like that to narrow down where people come from

[–][deleted]  (3 children)

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    [–]IroncladOfficial[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    • Added on TODO list
    • Storing users' country is bad opsec, we will ad another filtering option for countries
    • Search bar is present in the filter box (Listing name field)
    • Aestethic changes will be considered if asked by many users
    • Subcategories are already present
    • We decided to not add a PIN code (or password) that you can change at anytime like on other markets since it's kind of useless. Instead we suggest to rely on 2 factor authentication. However if the community asks for a PIN or a second password we will add it

    [–]throwahooawayyfoe 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    However if the community asks for a PIN or a second password we will add it

    we're asking for a pin

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    [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child)

    As a vendor who just lost money on Evo escrow, I'm not going to trust any market that doesn't have multi-sig escrow as an option. Why would any vendor place their trust in a market with no reputation or history at all. Even the most successful longstanding markets aren't trustworthy -- it's been proven again and again. As to why i wasn't using multi-sig in Evo? Well it was a lousy implementation of multisig and wouldn't have saved me in this case anyways with the way they had it set up.

    [–]PleaseStopClaire 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Are you still putting your new crop up at another market?

    [–]spankfrankwank 2 points3 points  (0 children)

    Looks good, hopefully we'll see more vendors come aboard soon.

    Just had a small suggestion. Could you incorporate a feature that eBay has so that I can search for item specifics? For example, if I want to buy meth, I'd like to be able to select a drop-down of the weight I want to buy (like 1 gram).

    I know I could search for "meth 1 gram" or "meth 1g", but then I'm just guessing what the vendor wrote in their listing's title. It would be awesome to just browse 1g meth listings and be able to sort them by price etc. Currently when browsing, I have to filter through 0.1g or 28g listings to find what I'm after. I haven't seen any other market do this but it'd be awesome to see.

    [–]Theeconomist1 3 points4 points  (5 children)

    Vendor cannot see who the buyer is

    I don't understand this feature. What purpose does it serve? Shouldn't vendors know who the buyer is so they can choose to decline an order? Does it mean essentially that a username is never known to the buyer and thus they can't associate an order with a particular user? If so, what is this for?

    [–]WhyDontJewStay 1 point2 points  (0 children)

    It will actually protect buyers from vendor retaliation in the event of a negative review. If the vendor can't see who bought what, then they don't' know who posted the review. Kinda clever.

    Obviously it creates other issues, but it seems like a cool idea.

    [–]IroncladOfficial[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Just an experiment, we are ready to change this if the community asks for it.

    [–]Trappy_Pandora 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    Automatic bitcoin withdrawls to offmarket wallets? It would be safer if after escrow clears, money never sits on the market.

    [–]SilkyKush 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    This (y)

    [–]Vendor_BBMC 1 point2 points  (1 child)

    Wow.

    A new, fully-functioned marketplace and forum, out of nowhere.

    It seems a bit rushed. The Reddit account is only 7 hours old

    I think ironclad was intended to launch a week BEFORE Evo hit an iceberg. Instead. its been launched before the paint has dried, picking people out of the water before they can swim to Agora.

    Can you imagine, if 43 bitcoins stolen by Evo somehow ended up going through the same wallet as coins sent to Ironclad? Only one person can control a bitcoin wallet.

    [–]throwawayf6f6 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    Bravo.

    [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    looks pretty good though imo.

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    [–]easymed 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    same here

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      [–]tgif3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Sounds like alpaca market? If it is hit me up we have business to talk about. You will know who I am.

      [–]tgif3 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      ps you need to change max signup per ip on forum to unlimited....

      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Mutli-sig : No ? from now on FUCK YOU THEN !

      [–]toastedjelly_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Haven't checked the site since well before this post.

      So...how many dicks do we have now?

      [–]Kazaa99 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      I miss some of the features that was introduced on a few other markets. F.ex Vendors having a profile pic like on Tormarket. Then maybe expanding it a little further and make a profile header background like Facebook.

      Then a lot of people would like to have Litecoin I'm sure.

      Adding every currency you can think of as being shown at product price (not all at once of course, the one buyer selects in settings). Lots of people from lots of countries, and for some reason they would like to know how much the product costs in their money instead of USD or EUR only.

      Hoping this will be a good one, but that we always hope.

      [–]Mpolo7766 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      Is Ironclad legit ? I mean, aside from everything that is going on right now .

      [–]HappySodomy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Only time will tell.

      [–]chappie_the_movie 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      I think this Market is the best market comparable to Evo. Every other market is either too slow or just BS.

      [–]chappie_the_movie 0 points1 point  (2 children)

      Sooooo whats the deal with this market? Yes, no, or run as fast as u can?

      [–]theseeker01 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      See how bad it gets shilled first

      Stick to agora though imo.

      This site may or may not be a double dip.

      [–]SilkyKush 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      No shilling yet

      [–]Uzuke 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Ironclad down for 2 days and counting...

      [–]awaywethrowwwww 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Good luck!

      [–]darknetdrugee 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      """By startig a dispute an escrow will intervene and try to solve the problem"""

      trying to figure out what you mean here

      [–]knockonbox 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Maybe a 3rd party will become a mediator instead of the vendor and buyer messaging directly?

      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      forums looks just like evos. lol. fuckin assholes.

      [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Open source much? Just a guess. Forum software is seldom reinvented from scratch.

      [–]mindfulmu -1 points0 points  (3 children)

      To ensure this isn't a honeypot could you on behalf of your organization do something to prove its not.

      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Pinky swear.

      [–]throwahooawayyfoe 0 points1 point  (1 child)

      lol. how are they possibly gonna prove that? post selfies of themselves not wearing their badges?

      [–]mindfulmu 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      I don't know, send coke to Desmond tutu.

      [–]Hank_Vendor -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

      fuck evoclad

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