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[–]EarnestMalware 47 points48 points  (1 child)

Prophet!

[–]Bukujutsu 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Lucky! Tried accessing it, did a google search, then remembered I had this saved in Session Buddy.

Regarding Evolution, I'm even more convinced that when the time is right, they'll pull the biggest exit scam the darknets have ever seen...

[–]speckledfreckle123 -2 points-1 points  (3 children)

I don't think it's a thin excuse. Fuck the banks. It's high time we declared an organized war on the banks and corporations. I am all for carding

[–]honestlyimeanreally 6 points7 points  (1 child)

Except you don't hurt banks, they just fuck over the customers more to cover all the carding losses...

[–]DarkNetTarget 3 points4 points  (0 children)

yeah the carding victim suffers in the end regardless or not... the customer loses more than the bank. its a huge inconvenience too for the customer. Fuck banks, but that's not the way

[–]twigburst 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Carding doesn't hurt banks it hurts the businesses that don't get paid. Fuck thieves, there is no reason drugs and stolen shit should be sold together.

[–]BlueShadesTM 20 points21 points  (3 children)

Evo will exit scam I can feel it, I just hope my money isn't caught up in it.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points  (1 child)

You prediction is sadly true.

[–]BlueShadesTM 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Its funny because I placed an order that was shipped Tuesday 1 more day and I would've lost £20. Bare in mind I hadn't ordered from the Darknet since December.

I got incredibly lucky. Unfortunately the vendor who deserves my money - not so much.

(I literally jumped on my PC to finalise and realised evo wasn't on the list anymore and scrolled down to see that they exit scammed and I was shocked I had got so lucky...)

[–]ciphersexual 13 points14 points  (1 child)

Thanks Gwern, this is a good long read. As are the links.

Before anyone jumps in with "the moderators of /r/darknetmarkets are paid/biased/toolbags" against Evolution, I'll advise you that probably half of the moderators of this sub are regular Evolution customers, and several are frequently praising the site's excellent response time and user interface. I have no insider knowledge of this, I just read their public posts here.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If anything they are paid by Evo. I don't think they are... they seem to let almost anything fly. This is probably the most contrevrersial topic they have dealt with since RCI...

[–]crackwidow 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Amazing read, thanks so much for sharing. Thinking twice about continuing to use Evo now lol :s

[–]earthmoonsun 1 point2 points  (2 children)

Thanks, interesting story, better than the usual crime stories on TV, and so real.
Everyone using those markets should expect that sooner or later LE is taking them down or their owners suddenly decide to retire.

[–]earthmoonsun 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wow, I didn't know there were so many.
And even more impressive, additionally there are vendor websites, forums, and a even pages, blogs, etc on the clearnet.

[–]mrniceguy2all 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is better than a good read. Very interesting to say the least

[–]tgif3 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Verto was heavily involved with what was a FBI Carding sting that charged 28 people and 24 were arrested from. Who was the owner of that site..... You guessed it and it was an english only forum and what is does Verto speak.... Hell just google carderprofit.cc "Verto"

That or he shares a name that was used in a big sting Verto being one of the admins.

[–]sharpshooter789 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I don't use it, but people who do use it should be always using PGP and multi-sig while on it. On the other hand, that's what I tell people to always do...

Problem with multi sig is so few vendors utilize it. Its such a shame.

[–]asdfaf21 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ive had a gut feeling evo is a honeypot. This article does not make me feel any better

[–]CDRCRDS 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This was an incredible read Constable. I mean how did you get all this information if you weren't infiltrating it yourself? Thanks for the TIp off though.

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    [–]temptationmix 0 points1 point  (0 children)

    that's a long story, so evalution is run by many admins ?!

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      [–]Rhinoplasticity 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      yeah read the book kingpin a while back good read takes a while to get into it I though maksik ended up giving up his 26 word passhrase after some advanced interrogation techniques by the turks not some backdoor into his hardware..Anyway nice summation of the origins of Evo and carding itself..Moral of the story of your this way inclined learn some fucking Russian

      [–]Darius_AWS 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Very interesting reading, everybody should read this and look for more details about where the DNM site they use come from ! Is agora safer BTW ?

      [–]durgsrbad 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Fantastic read.

      As an end user, it does raise some basic questions, ie 'I just want drugs, what do I do?' It's a real shit, as we just want some genuine security and options. Really highlights the greatest weapons LE has - not just skill, but fear. #fud4lyf

      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

      Well there you go, what an interesting read. I'll be asking a few questions about this!

      [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

      Oh we're constantly aware and paranoid, but these LE are specialist in their fields of deception. It is unnerving to think one of my fellow staff is LE.

      [–]bobandmargaret -1 points0 points  (20 children)

      I agree, but Evo is just so lovely to use, by far the best market I've had a go at!

      I don't think it's any more or less likely to be busted than any other market out there (apart from size alone), regardless of carding. Also, if it is going to be hit hard, according to the above write up by the_avid, they'll be going for the carders first, then the high volume hard drug sellers second. I honestly don't think LE has infiltrated Evo as hard as they did SR1 (and SR2??). There's a huge amount of BTC to be made from running a successful market for as long as possible. How much was (alleged) DPR worth when busted?

      If you can tell me my reading comprehension is off, please let me know.

      Edit: Healthy paranoia should always take place on any market. PGP motherfuckers!

      [–]lsmith333 -1 points0 points  (5 children)

      Definitely greed and the massive ego boost he got from it warped his mind. He thought he was untouchable but in reality he was just a fall guy, a drop in the pond really. 40 million dollars is nothing compared to what the government seizes in drug money yearly, not including the drug values themselves even.

      Just another stupid kid who didn't know when to quit. I wonder how long he would have kept going? Did he even have an exit plan? The fake ID's were maybe for opening a foreign bank account that wouldn't ask questions but still I doubt he even considered AML checks for transfers. There's no way you're getting 40 million in cash over a border either without serious laundering connections, and Ross couldn't even find a hitman...

      [–]bennyking3 6 points7 points  (3 children)

      If you read his posts on the forums, he didn't think he was untouchable at all...he seemed pretty scared that he might spend his life in jail but he was an idealist and thought he was was leading some type of revolution (maybe he was, maybe he wasn't.). Ego boost, probably, but I don't think it had anything to do with greed to get rich, he was living in a shitty $1000/month apt in San Francisco and cashed out almost nothing in the 3 years he was raking it in, seems he spent a lot trying to make the whole thing more secure though...and why would he need to get 40 million in cash across any borders? That's kind of the whole point of BTC, you can send it anywhere in the world with no one knowing. ...But yeah, I don't think he ever planned on spending most of that money (or at least that wasn't his main goal). He had to the paperwork to become a citizen of the DR, that was his immediate plan.

      [–]lsmith333 -3 points-2 points  (2 children)

      Greed doesn't mean spending money it means accruing more and more of it. Money becomes an end in and of itself. He was going to move to a tax haven and accrue tax free capital gains. What I meant by moving money overseas is that no matter how you withdraw it, a massive amount of money generates a lot of questions, and people will pay for that information. Unless you have connections you are not going to move that money secretly. I bet his plan was just to withdraw it to a bank after using an exchange, not even attempting to wash it through the typical laundering schemes. What he was going to do with the money after that is up in the air. I definitely think he was just playing the "idealist" card to sucker people into paying outrageous fees. Maybe he wouldn't have cut and run, who knows. I don't feel any sympathy for him regardless of his intentions, sure he got busted but he also got others busted and put many others at risk due to his own negligence.

      [–]bennyking3 1 point2 points  (1 child)

      Yeah very likely assumption you thought up. I'm sure the guy who was too afraid to touch his money for 3 years was just going to go transfer $35M to a single bank without even attempting to launder it (even though he had been working on an entire Tor site to launder dealer's BTC w/Nod and the money laundering guy from the UK, whose name I can't remember, for several months before his arrest).

      Edit: And who are you referring to that he got busted? The only one I can think of is CP and he got himself busted for ordering a fucking kilo of cocaine to his own house from a dealer who had never even had a single successful transaction.

      [–]lsmith333 1 point2 points  (0 children)

      Well russia is a mafia state and the US is not, they really have no criminal organizations that are within the government, it's all above board white collar shit.

      [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (2 children)

      What if said marketplace is a honeypot? There is a reason there servers are so much faster than their competition....

      [–]reddittag 4 points5 points  (0 children)

      if you use PGP and vendors with Legacy and don't add btw to your Evo wallet from an account linked to your real name then it wouldn't matter if it was a honeypot. I love eve and always thought it was a matter of time before someone with the knowledge and capital got it right, servers, multi-sig, mandatory PGP...

      [–]sharpshooter789 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

      Well whoever the developer is their a noob. Considering how poorly the healthcare site was I wouldn't be surprised if the same people developed this site.

      I think the site maybe fast since only the front end is ran through Tor with the back end being clearnet. This is what SR did and its why their site was so fast towards the end. Funny thing is this information just recently became available.

      [–]AgoraMarket 3 points4 points  (6 children)

      I agree, but Evo is just so lovely to use, by far the best market

      You know, hypothetically, that's what the FBI would want users to think.

      It is indeed very well designed, close to 100% uptime, extremely fast, and almost all items are allowed, short of CP. Either the staff there genuinely don't care about being a top target, or maybe... they don't have to worry about ever being "caught" in the first place, if you get my drift.

      [–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (5 children)

      almost all items are allowed

      What do they allow that Agora doesn't? (I'm genuinely curious because I don't see anything on Evo that Agora doesn't allow.)

      [–]AgoraMarket 1 point2 points  (4 children)

      All stolen financial stuff (credit cards, PayPals, bank accounts, etc).

      And poisons.

      [–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (3 children)

      Is this a relatively recent rule? I've seen many listings for credit cards and just last week I saw several "paypal transfer" services which obviously involve credit card fraud.

      [–]AgoraMarket 0 points1 point  (2 children)

      It was instituted in July, I think.

      [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

      The moderator Verto is working with the FEDS!

      [–][deleted]  (107 children)

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        [–]sharpshooter789 7 points8 points  (57 children)

        What does gwern have to gain? He has absolutely no motive.

        [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (31 children)

        Prob the same movitation you had for responding to his post. OP has very plausible and legit points. Small fish have nothing to fear... the big guys need to leave EVO ASAP!

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          [–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (6 children)

          It has to have been less than two weeks that you and I had (what I thought was) a respectful conversation about your dislike for the mods here. I have you a platform to air your complaints and asked for input. You basically said to get rid of everyone except gwern and I, but offered no constructive criticism whatsoever. It's almost like you are incapable of holding a conversation with someone who disagrees with you, and you just melt down completely as soon as your beliefs are remotely challenged.

          One of the forum rules is simply don't be a jackass. We typically let people post what they want, we always allow for criticism and disagreement. But it has to have a point and it has to be in the form of conversation, not pointless insult-hurling. You are doing nothing but taking potshots here. You burst in trying to take gwern down for doing exactly what he was been doing for longer than this subreddit has even existed: recording and analyzing all sorts of facets of market activity. Have you ever looked at his site? Or did you just notice a post from a mod and can't resist?

          Your response? "Why are you doing this, to make yourself look good?"

          And you do this every. single. time. anyone else puts time and effort into making an informative post like this. It's almost as is you can not bear for anyone here to be more intelligent than you believe yourself to be. It's the digital equivalent to taking all your clothes off and run it across a football field. You sure as fuck can't score a touchdown, but you'll find a way for the crowd to notice you in whatever manner it takes.

          This is going to stop. You only come here to piss people off and see who you can get worked up. You contribute nothing of value whatsoever. None of the moderators is bothered by your insults; our breakfasts do a better job of insulting us.

          However: this thread is the last time you are going to pointlessly attack another user. I can't believe you even need someone to explain the difference between "debating" and "trying to prove a point by using the most insults in a post." If you don't figure it out before the next time you post, you're gone.

          This community doesn't have room for people who don't have anything to contribute beyond these pedestrian attention-grabs and you're no exception.

          [–]ObamaIzHitla -2 points-1 points  (5 children)

          Give me a break lobali; thats horseshit and you know it. I was the only one who attempted to be constructive and it was met with trolling and vote brigading on all fronts. The only one to pointlessly attack anyone here is your boy King; which you also know. I posted proof for everything i have made an accusation of. Just because you stack your shit higher than your peers doesn't mean you're actually intelligent.

          [–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (4 children)

          I have a strong dislike for the mods and almost everything they do here but you sound like a jackass.

          One of my major complaints is that the mods dont use alternate accounts. It makes messages like the OP's a lot weaker because it come across differently when a mod posts it.

          [–]ObamaIzHitla -1 points0 points  (3 children)

          You are looking at the lake

          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

          What shill use? It seems to me the mods say tons of shit right off their mod accounts. They do a lot of stupid things but I don't think they shill.

          [–]ObamaIzHitla 1 point2 points  (1 child)

          A few come to mind; although if youre not convinced by this thread and these:

          https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkNetMarkets/comments/1zv9k3/this_will_probably_get_censored_by_these_corrupt/ https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkNetMarkets/comments/2gbx9m/banned_and_censored_in_3_2_1/ https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkNetMarkets/comments/2gebuv/infinite_shows_off_his_infinite_knowledge/ https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkNetMarkets/comments/2f5g5c/why_isnt_cr_on_wall_of_shame/

          There is probably nothing i can do to sway your opinion. Do a search; there should be oodles of evidence about (IIRC they have moded up shills occasionally on some of their other pointless subreddits).

          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

          1.Yea, that's one case of a shill. You made it sound like the mods make posts on alt accounts to back up their cases. But this is definitely a valid point, I think you have to be stupid to think that none of the mods here aren't up to something unscrupulous and it was only a single mod.

          1. Who is cannabis road? I dont see them on the sidebar either.

          2. is funny, but that's not shilling, at worst it's the mods fucking suck because they censor people, which I've seen them do for sure. But that's not shilling.

          3. Again, I dont see CR on the wall?

          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (12 children)

          Check my post history. No shill here.

          [–]LongLiveThe_King[M] 7 points8 points  (5 children)

          Check this guy's post history.

          He is the same one that was making retarded accusations and downvoting people that didn't agree with him a month or so ago.

          Ignore this cumstain, talking with him will get you nothing but a headache and a look into the failed educational system from whatever shithole he crawled out of.

          Edit: In regards to ObamaIzHitla.

          [–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

          I've realized this cat is braindamaged. His posts don't even make sense to me half the time.

          Pretty sure his education system was the Aryan Brotherhood... AKA a bunch of homeschool rednecks.

          [–]ObamaIzHitla -4 points-3 points  (5 children)

          Negro please; do you honestly think anyone buys that shit?

          [–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children)

          I am not "negro"... You really checked all my posts that quickly?

          [–]ObamaIzHitla -2 points-1 points  (3 children)

          Dont you have some more useless subreddits to create or something? Or maybe convince helpless noobs (most likely kids btw) to fall for Cannabis Road for a third time? Or banning / censoring any user who brings anything of value to this sub? Seriously though; fuck off.

          [–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children)

          Bahahaha. If I could ban anyone it wouldn't even be you. This is hilarious you think I am a mod here or have some "internutz superpower".

          You must be a FED? Did you ever work with Keanu Reeves? What was your thoughts on Agent Brody?

          [–]sharpshooter789 -2 points-1 points  (9 children)

          Evo is shit. Its probably going to be the next market to fall either through hacking/theft or seized.

          [–]ObamaIzHitla -2 points-1 points  (8 children)

          I looked at the lake

          [–]ciphersexual 1 point2 points  (13 children)

          I can't speak for Gwern's motivation, and I agree with you that we should always question the motivations behind any semi-anonymous darknet market info.

          I however do believe that posting any factual and thoughtful info about darknet markets is altruistic. We're to learn from past mistakes, protect each other going forward, and occasionally put on tinfoil hats.

          [–]GrandWizardsLair 0 points1 point  (2 children)

          What response do you have to the allegations raised, other than trying to deflect attention from them by claiming the /darknetmarkets/ admins are trying to slam Evolution?

          [–]FriendlyDrugAddict -1 points0 points  (0 children)

          I remember the Carder Profit take down, Didn't Jester "call" it (UGNazi Take down maybe not forum take down) happening almost to the exact date?

          [–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

          That was a long, but very good read. Thanks for this.

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