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Title: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: HJAnslinger on December 08, 2012, 01:= 17 am

I was a prosecutor in a medium sized mid-west state in the US for 13 ye= ars.=C2=A0 I focused mainly on drug crimes.=C2=A0 I prosecuted numerous cas= es where the drugs were intercepted in the mail.=C2=A0 I left the prosecuto= r's office in 2010 (before SR existed to my knowledge).=C2=A0 I left becaus= e I realized how pointless the "drug war" is.=C2=A0 99.9% of the time we we= re busting low level dealers who were doing nothing except selling to suppo= rt their habit.=C2=A0 I'm happy to answer any of your questions to the best= of my ability.

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: painbow on December 08, 2012, 02:00= am

For US mails, what happens after an USPS inspector finds a small "consu= mer" quantity of illegal drug in the mail?

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: HJAnslinger on December 08, 2012, 02:= 07 am

Quo= te from: painbow on December 08, 2012, 02:00 am

For US mails, what happens after an USPS insp= ector finds a small "consumer" quantity of illegal drug in the mail?

I didn't work directly with the postal inspectors most of the time,= but I was never referred a case with a small amount of drugs.=C2=A0 I pers= onally never saw a package with a small amount.=C2=A0 I'm sure they interce= pted some, but they never referred it for prosecution.

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: hvy on December 08, 2012, 03:03 am

What is the cutoff amount that was found for drugs to be referred for= prosecution? For drugs such as marijuana, cocaine mdma, lsd, etc

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: HJAnslinger on December 08, 2012, 04:= 31 am

The object of the war on drugs is not to eradicate drugs, it's= to mitigate consumption, i think.
Would you want the whole country able= to buy heron at a convenience store?
If you want to get into a philosop= hical debate, sure, I am all for free markets and libertarian politics. In= a utopian world, drugs should be legal, but that's not how it works here= so oh well.
Your job as a legal professional is to have no personal att= achment to the cases. I guess that's impossible though. I always get a laug= h when prosecutors think they're "going after bad guys. Its not the people= its the institution!!!=C2=A0 Ok sorry to ramble, im a bit stoned :P
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Of course it is only going to mitigate consumption.=C2=A0 No,= I don't think you should be able to buy hard drugs at a convenience store.= =C2=A0 However, I also don't think you should go to prison for 60 years for= selling 1 gram of cocaine either.

I don't have a personal attachmen= t to 99% of my cases.=C2=A0 I know most of the time I'm not going after "ba= d guys."=C2=A0 However, there are some very bad guys I have gone after and= I'm proud of that.

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: mmmolly44 on December 08, 2012, 04:38= am

The prosecutor in my county uses cocaine.=C2=A0 How does he get away wi= th it and keep getting the position?=C2=A0 (Everyone knows, and I have frie= nds who have used with him)

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: HJAnslinger on December 08, 2012, 04:= 42 am

Quo= te from: hvy on December 08, 2012, 03:03 am
What is the cutoff amount that was found for drugs= to be referred for prosecution? For drugs such as marijuana, cocaine mdma,= lsd, etc

Never prosecuted anyone for mdma or lsd.=C2=A0 I ne= ver saw a case referred for prosecution that was less than a pound for mari= juana or 2 ounces for cocaine.=C2=A0 Definitely not saying you are safe if= you order less, but most offices don't have time to mess with small time= buyers.

On another note, what I find interesting about this place= is how the risk is totally the opposite of how it normally is.=C2=A0 Most= of the time, we were only interested in dealers.=C2=A0 The only time users= were arrested was when they were caught by uniform officers, usually durin= g traffic stops.=C2=A0 Seems to me that the easiest way to get busted here= is when you are the buyer.=C2=A0 Most of the time when undercover cops bus= t the buyers it is because they want to get to the dealer.=C2=A0 Obviously,= there is no way a buyer on SR knows who the seller is.

One piece of= advice I can give everyone is to never NEVER talk to the cops if you get= busted.=C2=A0 They will act like they are your friend and they will tell= you it will be better if you talk.=C2=A0 Sometimes you can get a better de= al if you talk, but don't think for an instant that you have to talk right= away.=C2=A0 You can always ask for a lawyer.=C2=A0 If you do have good inf= o, then the cops can wait.=C2=A0 If people didn't talk, we would have solve= d a lot less cases.

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: HJAnslinger on December 08, 2012, 04:= 55 am

Quo= te from: mmmolly44 on December 08, 2012, 04:38 am
The prosecutor in my county uses cocaine.=C2= =A0 How does he get away with it and keep getting the position?=C2=A0 (Ever= yone knows, and I have friends who have used with him)

Prosec= utors and Judges are no different from anyone else.=C2=A0 There is a judge= in my county that uses cocaine too, but everyone is too afraid to talk.=C2= =A0 You would be surprised by how many prosecutors and cops use drugs.

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: flwrchlds9 on December 08, 2012, 07:0= 5 am

Quo= te from: HJAnslinger on December 08, 2012, 04:55 am
Prosecutors and Judges are no different fr= om anyone else.=C2=A0 There is a judge in my county that uses cocaine too,= but everyone is too afraid to talk.=C2=A0 You would be surprised by how ma= ny prosecutors and cops use drugs.

FU all of you for screwing= up so many people's lives over the same damn things you guys enjoy doing= also to let off steam.

FFFFF UUUUU!!!

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One piece of advice I can give everyone is to never NEVER= talk to the cops if you get busted.=C2=A0 ...=C2=A0 If people didn't talk,= we would have solved a lot less cases.

THIS is 1000000000000% co= rrect.=C2=A0 SHUT UP ALWAYS, everyone SHUT UP no matter what they tell you.=

Good to see you on here if this is really who you were for the pot= ential good you might be able to do now. But for 13 years you screwed many= innocent people just trying to get high and diverted resources from 'real'= crime that needed more attention.

we did it, but maybe keep thread= on track with getting information. focus on important info, not asking stu= pid Q.

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: flwrchlds9 on December 08, 2012, 07:2= 6 am

Q for you: What "tactics" were common used to bust/make charges stick?<= br>
Q2: we think most shipment busts (non sr) are from 'tips' or informa= nts or undercover from originating area that has group under surveillance= before they send. was this true? how did most of these cases start?=20

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: 420SLINGER on December 08, 2012, 07:3= 9 am

SO MAILING 4 OZ AT A TIME IS A PRETTY SAFE BET?

AND IF THEY DO,= DO A CONTROLLED DELIVERY TRYING TO GET ME TO SIGN FOR THE PACKAGE AND I RE= FUSE TO SIGN FOR THE PACKAGE=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0

=C2=A0"THAT IS NOT= IN MY NAME"

WHAT CAN THEY DO NEXT IF ANYTHING.
:)_

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: Delta11 on December 08, 2012, 08:07= am

What's the only information you are required to tell a LEO? I always fo= rget the answer=C2=A0 :'(

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: PizzaBrain on December 08, 2012, 08:3= 3 am

^ I presume Name, DOB, SSN etc?

probably wouldn't hurt to admit= to some softer drug use like the occasional joint..

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: GetYourFix on December 08, 2012, 08:4= 4 am

Quo= te from: PizzaBrain on December 08, 2012, 08:33 am
^ I presume Name, DOB, SSN etc?

prob= ably wouldn't hurt to admit to some softer drug use like the occasional joi= nt..

Actually, it will most definitely not HELP you. There is= a reason police ask the questions asked, and that is to make their job eas= ier. You are faarrrrrrrrr better off just giving req'd identification and= and politely decline said "discussion" until someone who is slightly more= versed in the laws of your jurisdiction. ANYTHING you say CAN/WILL.=20

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: HJAnslinger on December 08, 2012, 12:= 19 pm

Quo= te from: flwrchlds9 on December 08, 2012, 07:26 am
Q for you: What "tactics" were common used= to bust/make charges stick?

Q2: we think most shipment busts (non= sr) are from 'tips' or informants or undercover from originating area that= has group under surveillance before they send. was this true? how did most= of these cases start?

Q1:=C2=A0 Most of the cases I prosecut= ed were controlled buys either from an undercover cop or a CI.=C2=A0 All of= those buys were definitely audio recorded and a lot of them had video too.= =C2=A0 If we used a CI, that person is strip searched and will have nothing= on them when they make the buy (except for the buy money we gave them).=C2= =A0 If someone is buying drugs and they only have cash (no cell phone, ID= etc.), beware.=C2=A0 There is a good chance the person is working for the= police.

Q2:=C2=A0 There are definitely cases I had where mail was= intercepted based on a tip from an informant or undercover officer.=C2=A0= However, there were also cases that were simply intercepted.=C2=A0 I can= remember one case where a prominent person in our city was ordering MJ see= ds from Amsterdam.=C2=A0 He got busted because it got intercepted by Custom= s.=C2=A0 Got a search warrant and made a controlled delivery.=C2=A0 He was= found with a bunch of marijuana plants growing in his house.=C2=A0 Lesson= here is to have your house "clean" if you are getting a delivery.=C2=A0 If= they search your house and you keep your mouth shut, I can't see them pros= ecuting you unless they have other evidence.

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: HJAnslinger on December 08, 2012, 12:= 27 pm

Quo= te from: 420SLINGER on December 08, 2012, 07:39 am
SO MAILING 4 OZ AT A TIME IS A PRETTY SAFE= BET?

AND IF THEY DO, DO A CONTROLLED DELIVERY TRYING TO GET ME TO= SIGN FOR THE PACKAGE AND I REFUSE TO SIGN FOR THE PACKAGE=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0

=C2=A0"THAT IS NOT IN MY NAME"

WHAT CAN THEY DO NEXT IF= ANYTHING.
:)_

I will never say it is a safe bet to mail= any amount.=C2=A0 You never know what info the police have on you.=C2=A0= If they want to bust you for some reason, it doesn't matter how much you= get.=C2=A0 You can refuse to sign for the package, but chances are they al= ready know who you are.=C2=A0 If it is in someone elses name, then refusing= to sign will work.=C2=A0 If it is in your name, they know it is you.=C2=A0= They will have all the background info on the name on the package.=C2=A0= Likely have a picture from your driver's license or old book in photo.=C2= =A0 If it is in your actual name and you refuse it by saying it is not in= your name, that is worse.=C2=A0 If it is shipped in your name, best thing= you can do is not have anything else illegal in your house and take the pa= ckage.=C2=A0 Don't open it and when they search your house (and they will= search your house).=C2=A0 Deny, deny deny.=C2=A0 Tell them you have no ide= a where that package came from.=C2=A0 Don't say anything else.

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: HJAnslinger on December 08, 2012, 12:= 34 pm

Quo= te from: PizzaBrain on December 08, 2012, 08:33 am
^ I presume Name, DOB, SSN etc?

prob= ably wouldn't hurt to admit to some softer drug use like the occasional joi= nt..

The only information you are ever required to tell an of= ficer is your identifying information.=C2=A0 Sometimes you don't even have= to tell them that depending on the circumstances.=C2=A0 If they have no re= ason to stop you, you don't have to tell them anything.=C2=A0 Laws will var= y from state to state, but police can't stop you for no reason.=C2=A0 If a= police officer starts asking questions.=C2=A0 Always ask him if you are un= der arrest.=C2=A0 If he says no, then ask if you are free to leave.=C2=A0= If he says yes, then get the fuck out of there.=C2=A0

Never admit= to anything.=C2=A0 I can't stress this enough.=C2=A0 Anything you say can= be used against you.=C2=A0 Most of the cases I prosecuted involved people= talking to the police.=C2=A0 It always amazes me how people keep thinking= police are their friends.=C2=A0 They are not your friends now matter how= charming they are.=C2=A0 I've seen people with long criminal records who= never learn that lesson.

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: acider on December 08, 2012, 12:46 pm=

Quo= te from: HJAnslinger on December 08, 2012, 12:19 pm
I can remember one case where a prominent= person in our city was ordering MJ seeds from Amsterdam.=C2=A0 He got bust= ed because it got intercepted by Customs.=C2=A0 Got a search warrant and ma= de a controlled delivery.=C2=A0

They got a search warrant fr= om intercepting seeds? Did he have any previous record? Is it so easy to ge= t a warrant?

Thanks for your answers. Can I ask also why are you doi= ng this? Its not common for a prosecutor (even former) to help the "crimina= ls". Seems a bit suspicious to be honest.
Cheers.

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: HJAnslinger on December 08, 2012, 12:= 49 pm

Quo= te from: flwrchlds9 on December 08, 2012, 07:05 am
Quote from: HJAnslinger on December 08, 2012, 04:5= 5 am
Prosecutors= and Judges are no different from anyone else.=C2=A0 There is a judge in my= county that uses cocaine too, but everyone is too afraid to talk.=C2=A0 Yo= u would be surprised by how many prosecutors and cops use drugs.
=
FU all of you for screwing up so many people's lives over the same damn= things you guys enjoy doing also to let off steam.

FFFFF UUUUU!!!
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One piece of advice I can gi= ve everyone is to never NEVER talk to the cops if you get busted.=C2=A0 ...= =C2=A0 If people didn't talk, we would have solved a lot less cases.
=
THIS is 1000000000000% correct.=C2=A0 SHUT UP ALWAYS, everyone SHUT UP= no matter what they tell you.

Good to see you on here if this is= really who you were for the potential good you might be able to do now. Bu= t for 13 years you screwed many innocent people just trying to get high and= diverted resources from 'real' crime that needed more attention.

w= e did it, but maybe keep thread on track with getting information. focus on= important info, not asking stupid Q.

I suppose I had that co= ming.=C2=A0 I'm not proud of everything I did and that's why I left.=C2=A0= I don't believe that using drugs should make you a criminal, but there are= a lot of criminals who use drugs.=C2=A0 The majority of the violent crimes= I prosecuted involved drugs.=C2=A0 Sure, some of that was because the drug= s are illegal, such as a turf war between dealers, but there are a lot of= people out there who would be criminals whether or not they were on drugs.= =C2=A0 Some people can't handle drugs, just like some people can't handle= alcohol.=C2=A0 People will drive when they are high and kill someone, just= like people do that when they are drunk.=C2=A0 Some people become addicts= and commit crimes.=C2=A0 The crimes they commit (other than just using the= drugs) should be prosecuted.

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: HJAnslinger on December 08, 2012, 01:= 01 pm

Quo= te from: acider on December 08, 2012, 12:46 pm
Quote from: HJAnslinger on December 08, 2012, 12:19= pm
I can remember= one case where a prominent person in our city was ordering MJ seeds from= Amsterdam.=C2=A0 He got busted because it got intercepted by Customs.=C2= =A0 Got a search warrant and made a controlled delivery.=C2=A0
<= br>They got a search warrant from intercepting seeds? Did he have any previ= ous record? Is it so easy to get a warrant?

Thanks for your answers.= Can I ask also why are you doing this? Its not common for a prosecutor (ev= en former) to help the "criminals". Seems a bit suspicious to be honest.Cheers.

It is that easy to get a warrant and he did not have= any previous record.=C2=A0 In fact, he was a prominent doctor in our city.= =C2=A0 Of course, they will have to confirm some things before they get a= warrant, but if they package is in the name of a person who lives at the= house, that is enough.

I figured some would see this as suspicious.= =C2=A0 I don't see this as helping criminals.=C2=A0 I don't think using dru= gs should make someone a criminal.=C2=A0 I'm not saying all drugs should be= legal and available at 7-11, but there is a better way to deal with a pers= on who has a problem with drugs.=C2=A0 I saw (and prosecuted) many people= who were simply using drugs and not committing any other crimes.=C2=A0 It= can ruin your life, career etc. and I don't think that is right.=C2=A0 I= guess part of the reason I'm on here is because I feel guilty about some= of the cases I prosecuted.=C2=A0 I can't take back what I did, but maybe= I can help someone avoid being labeled a criminal in the future.

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: flwrchlds9 on December 08, 2012, 01:5= 9 pm

Quo= te from: HJAnslinger on December 08, 2012, 12:19 pm
Quote from: flwrchlds9 on December 08, 2012, 07:2= 6 am
Q for you: Wh= at "tactics" were common used to bust/make charges stick?

Q2: we thi= nk most shipment busts (non sr) are from 'tips' or informants or undercover= from originating area that has group under surveillance before they send.= was this true? how did most of these cases start?

Q1:=C2=A0= Most of the cases I prosecuted were controlled buys either from an underco= ver cop or a CI.=C2=A0 All of those buys were definitely audio recorded and= a lot of them had video too.=C2=A0 If we used a CI, that person is strip= searched and will have nothing on them when they make the buy (except for= the buy money we gave them).=C2=A0 If someone is buying drugs and they onl= y have cash (no cell phone, ID etc.), beware.=C2=A0 There is a good chance= the person is working for the police.

Q2:=C2=A0 There are definitel= y cases I had where mail was intercepted based on a tip from an informant= or undercover officer.=C2=A0 However, there were also cases that were simp= ly intercepted.=C2=A0 I can remember one case where a prominent person in= our city was ordering MJ seeds from Amsterdam.=C2=A0 He got busted because= it got intercepted by Customs.=C2=A0 Got a search warrant and made a contr= olled delivery.=C2=A0 He was found with a bunch of marijuana plants growing= in his house.=C2=A0 Lesson here is to have your house "clean" if you are= getting a delivery.=C2=A0 If they search your house and you keep your mout= h shut, I can't see them prosecuting you unless they have other evidence.

thank you.

Q1: yes, the undercover and CI routes are co= mmon. do you have some suggestions on counter-tactics to use against CI's= (primarily) or undercovers? (in addition to good tip about having things= on them)
- some expansion; can a CI use drugs with you? are there thing= s they can/can't do, say, be part of, etc. will the CI always be monitored/= on a direct mission/task? etc, you understand our thinking here.

Q2:= assuming being advanced enough to understand not to send to a persons hous= e, have a proper drop, uses correct cover names, etc, etc.. would accepting= a package (as in having it in a stack of mail, not directly signing for it= ) that is not in=C2=A0 your name (or being sent to your residence) actually= able to be tied to you? Or would any type of CD/search warrant scenario al= ways include direct signing/acceptance of a specific package, etc.. ? were= these things prosecuted? or are we getting more into federal/DEA territory= at those levels? excuse scattered typing, late at night here and not all= of us in US/native English speaker. you can understand what getting at we= are sure.

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: acider on December 08, 2012, 02:17 pm=

It's just that we have to be very careful what and who to believe in th= is forum, some people have an agenda that is not obvious from the beginning= . There's a lot of misinformation and maybe scare tactics going on. Althoug= h it doesn't seem to be the case here. I try to understand the US system,= although I don't live there, because a lot of countries look up to US and= copy their methods...
I 'd like to ask what happens when someone gets= a controlled delivery on a medium/large quantity, accepts it, but doesn't= open it, his house is clean and basically there is no proof of knowing wha= t was inside the package. Is it possible to get away with it? How do you pr= ove he did order it and knew what was inside? Does signing the package make= s any difference?

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: HJAnslinger on December 08, 2012, 02:= 32 pm

Quo= te from: GrowHelp on December 08, 2012, 02:03 pm
Do you have=C2=A0 much knowledge on controlle= d deliveries in the EU, such as the UK, Germany, Netherlands?

What= was the minimum amount of MJ that you did see in prosecution cases?
To what extent did the individuals laptops incriminate them in general in= cases?

I don't know anything about controlled deliveries in= the EU.

I'm assuming you are talking about the cases I saw using th= e mail, but I personally never saw a case with less than a pound of MJ.=C2= =A0 That doesn't mean they won't bust you with less, but I personally never= saw anything less.=C2=A0 If you are talking about cases in general, not ne= cessarily using the mail, then I've seen anything from a roach to hundreds= of pounds.=C2=A0 Where I live, any amount is illegal.

We never used= info on laptops, although I'm sure that is becoming more common since this= place is well known to law enforcement.=C2=A0 This place didn't exist when= I was a prosecutor.

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: HJAnslinger on December 08, 2012, 02:= 40 pm

Quo= te from: acider on December 08, 2012, 02:17 pm
It's just that we have to be very careful wha= t and who to believe in this forum, some people have an agenda that is not= obvious from the beginning. There's a lot of misinformation and maybe scar= e tactics going on. Although it doesn't seem to be the case here. I try to= understand the US system, although I don't live there, because a lot of co= untries look up to US and copy their methods...
I 'd like to ask what ha= ppens when someone gets a controlled delivery on a medium/large quantity,= accepts it, but doesn't open it, his house is clean and basically there is= no proof of knowing what was inside the package. Is it possible to get awa= y with it? How do you prove he did order it and knew what was inside? Does= signing the package makes any difference?

Whenever we did a= controlled delivery, we always had a search warrant signed before the deli= very.=C2=A0 We never gave the person a chance to open up the package.=C2=A0= Too much of a risk that they would get rid of the evidence.=C2=A0 Most of= the time people had other drugs inside the house, so they were screwed whe= ther or not we could prove they ordered the package.=C2=A0 Most of the time= , they confessed to the police.=C2=A0 If you have a clean house and don't= say anything other than I don't know what's in the package, then you have= a good chance of getting away with it, unless of course they already have= other evidence, in which case you are screwed no matter what you do.=C2=A0= I would never prosecute a case where the only evidence was somebody was de= livered a package that had illegal drugs in it.=C2=A0 We needed something= else, such as a confession (never a good idea) or other evidence that the= person knew what was in the package.

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: HJAnslinger on December 08, 2012, 02:= 55 pm

Quo= te from: flwrchlds9 on December 08, 2012, 01:59 pm
Quote from: HJAnslinger on December 08, 2012, 12:1= 9 pm
Quote from: flwrchld= s9 on December 08, 2012, 07:26 am
Q for you: What "tactics" were common used to bust/make char= ges stick?

Q2: we think most shipment busts (non sr) are from 'tips'= or informants or undercover from originating area that has group under sur= veillance before they send. was this true? how did most of these cases star= t?

Q1:=C2=A0 Most of the cases I prosecuted were controlled= buys either from an undercover cop or a CI.=C2=A0 All of those buys were= definitely audio recorded and a lot of them had video too.=C2=A0 If we use= d a CI, that person is strip searched and will have nothing on them when th= ey make the buy (except for the buy money we gave them).=C2=A0 If someone= is buying drugs and they only have cash (no cell phone, ID etc.), beware.= =C2=A0 There is a good chance the person is working for the police.

= Q2:=C2=A0 There are definitely cases I had where mail was intercepted based= on a tip from an informant or undercover officer.=C2=A0 However, there wer= e also cases that were simply intercepted.=C2=A0 I can remember one case wh= ere a prominent person in our city was ordering MJ seeds from Amsterdam.=C2= =A0 He got busted because it got intercepted by Customs.=C2=A0 Got a search= warrant and made a controlled delivery.=C2=A0 He was found with a bunch of= marijuana plants growing in his house.=C2=A0 Lesson here is to have your= house "clean" if you are getting a delivery.=C2=A0 If they search your hou= se and you keep your mouth shut, I can't see them prosecuting you unless th= ey have other evidence.

thank you.

Q1: yes, the underc= over and CI routes are common. do you have some suggestions on counter-tact= ics to use against CI's (primarily) or undercovers? (in addition to good ti= p about having things on them)
- some expansion; can a CI use drugs with= you? are there things they can/can't do, say, be part of, etc. will the CI= always be monitored/on a direct mission/task? etc, you understand our thin= king here.

Q2: assuming being advanced enough to understand not to= send to a persons house, have a proper drop, uses correct cover names, etc= , etc.. would accepting a package (as in having it in a stack of mail, not= directly signing for it) that is not in=C2=A0 your name (or being sent to= your residence) actually able to be tied to you? Or would any type of CD/s= earch warrant scenario always include direct signing/acceptance of a specif= ic package, etc.. ? were these things prosecuted? or are we getting more in= to federal/DEA territory at those levels? excuse scattered typing, late at= night here and not all of us in US/native English speaker. you can underst= and what getting at we are sure.

You're welcome.

Q1:= =C2=A0 We never sent a CI in without wearing a wire that can be monitored.= =C2=A0 If you don't trust the person, you could search them, although I und= erstand that might not be good for business.=C2=A0 If it is an undercover= cop, they may or may not be wearing a wire.=C2=A0 Bottom line is you are= going to sell, you should only sell to people you know and trust, but even= then, they might turn on you if they get busted.=C2=A0 That happens all th= e time.=C2=A0 Where I live, we would never allow the CI to use drugs with= the seller.=C2=A0 We would tell them to make something up like "I can't to= day because I have to take a drug test for a job tomorrow."

Q2:=C2= =A0 Simply accepting a package (not signing for it) that is not in your nam= e would not be enough evidence.=C2=A0 They would need a lot more evidence= than that.=C2=A0 We either made the person sign for the package or we set= up surveillance and waited for the person to get the package from their po= rch.=C2=A0 Most of the time we made them sign for it because cops don't wan= t to sit there for hours waiting for someone to get a package off their por= ch.=C2=A0 Simply signing for a package isn't enough evidence either as long= as it is in your name or someone else's name who lives at the house.=C2=A0= If you sign for a package being delivered to Mickey Mouse, that would be= pretty suspicious.=C2=A0 We prosecuted a lot of controlled delivery cases.= =C2=A0 Feds usually don't mess with anything unless it is a large quantity= or there are guns involved.

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: Cartel on December 08, 2012, 03:08 pm=

just shut your mouth & ask for your lawyer if u get busted.

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: jay92 on December 08, 2012, 04:47 pm<= /strong>

HJAslinger, I hope you think about, regret and pay for the hundreds of= lives you've ruined you scumbag piece of shit.=20

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: painbow on December 08, 2012, 04:59= pm

Do you recommend sending drugs to your real name or a fake name?

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: HJAnslinger on December 08, 2012, 05:= 13 pm

Quo= te from: jay92 on December 08, 2012, 04:47 pm
HJAslinger, I hope you think about, regret and= pay for the hundreds of lives you've ruined you scumbag piece of shit.
=

I do think about it and regret it, but if it wasn't me, it would= have been somebody else doing the same thing.=C2=A0 I didn't make the bull= shit laws.=C2=A0 I can't change the past, but I hope I can help others avoi= d being labeled as criminals.

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: HJAnslinger on December 08, 2012, 05:= 18 pm

Quo= te from: painbow on December 08, 2012, 04:59 pm
Do you recommend sending drugs to your real= name or a fake name?

If you are confident that it will get= delivered to your house with a fake name, I would use a fake name, especia= lly if you have multiple people living in your house.=C2=A0 The hardest cas= es we had were when drugs were found in a car or a house in an area where= multiple people had access to it.=C2=A0 As long as everyone kept their mou= th shut, there is no way we could prosecute those cases because you can't= prove beyond a reasonable doubt who it belonged to.=C2=A0 If it's being de= livered in your own name, that is certainly more evidence that it is yours.

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: shunyata on December 08, 2012, 05:29= pm

So let me get this straight. I can send bunch of drugs in the mail to= my enemy and call the police telling them he/she is buying drugs and havin= g them delivered to his/her house and my enemy will get arrested and get ac= tual prison time? Wow!

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: 420SLINGER on December 08, 2012, 06:1= 6 pm

Quo= te from: jay92 on December 08, 2012, 04:47 pm
HJAslinger, I hope you think about, regret and= pay for the hundreds of lives you've ruined you scumbag piece of shit.
=

WHAT THE FUCK DUDE HE IS HERE TRYING TO FIX HIS WRONGS HE DO= ES NOT NEED SOME ASSHOLE LIKE YOU YELLING INSULTS AT HIM I THINK WHAT HE IS= DOIING IS A GREAT WAY TO PAY BACK FOR HIS MISTAKES=20

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: Theaides on December 08, 2012, 07:00= pm

As a prosecutor, do you dip into a defendant's background any in consid= eration for a case?=C2=A0 Like for instance, say a guy's package gets inter= cepted with like .25g of meth.=C2=A0 But you pull up some background info= and see the guy's holding a steady 80k/year job and participates in commun= ity events, and seems to stay out of trouble well enough otherwise (no othe= r real criminal history).

Do you really go out of your way to ruin= this man for enjoying a little meth here and there?=C2=A0 Because, for the= most part, having any criminal charges of ANY kind tend to make finding jo= bs nearly impossible, plus it ruins said man's faith in the justice system= for life, tears apart his connections to family and friends by locking him= up for a couple years over such petty things...

I really have to wo= nder if the justice department in any city would really go after someone th= at aggressively if they were an upstanding member of society besides the fa= ct they like to get high.

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: HJAnslinger on December 08, 2012, 07:= 13 pm

Quo= te from: shunyata on December 08, 2012, 05:29 pm
So let me get this straight. I can send bunch= of drugs in the mail to my enemy and call the police telling them he/she= is buying drugs and having them delivered to his/her house and my enemy wi= ll get arrested and get actual prison time? Wow!

Doubt it.=C2= =A0 They are going to need more than an anonymous call saying the person is= getting drugs.=C2=A0 Anonymous call + drugs shipped to house does not =3D= person getting arrested and going to prison.=C2=A0 It will take more than= that.=C2=A0 When we had someone who talked, it was a known person and we= confirmed what they told us.=C2=A0 A court would throw out the evidence ve= ry quickly if it was found to be based on only an anonymous tip because of= the situation you describe.=C2=A0 We had anonymous calls all the time to= report drunk drivers, but a cop can't stop the person just based on the an= onymous call.=C2=A0 They need more evidence before they can stop the car.= =C2=A0 Same thing here.

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: shunyata on December 08, 2012, 07:24= pm

Exactly, so receiving a package with drugs does not mean drugs were pur= chased by owner of house. LE has to show the owner purchased the drugs and= had them delivered to his address. How would LE proof drugs were purchased= when using our system? BTW thank you for being here and helping out. I ass= ume you were looking for drugs yourself and felt bad about your past. I app= reciate your turning to the right path. The war on drugs is lost and inhuma= ne. Drug users are not criminals. Killers, rapists and pedophiles are....

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: HJAnslinger on December 08, 2012, 07:= 24 pm

Quo= te from: Theaides on December 08, 2012, 07:00 pm
As a prosecutor, do you dip into a defendant'= s background any in consideration for a case?=C2=A0 Like for instance, say= a guy's package gets intercepted with like .25g of meth.=C2=A0 But you pul= l up some background info and see the guy's holding a steady 80k/year job= and participates in community events, and seems to stay out of trouble wel= l enough otherwise (no other real criminal history).

Do you really= go out of your way to ruin this man for enjoying a little meth here and th= ere?=C2=A0 Because, for the most part, having any criminal charges of ANY= kind tend to make finding jobs nearly impossible, plus it ruins said man's= faith in the justice system for life, tears apart his connections to famil= y and friends by locking him up for a couple years over such petty things..= .

I really have to wonder if the justice department in any city woul= d really go after someone that aggressively if they were an upstanding memb= er of society besides the fact they like to get high.

Most= of the time we were not heavily involved in the case on the front end.=C2= =A0 The police did an investigation and sent it to our office for a decisio= n whether to file charges.=C2=A0 Once it got to our office, if we believed= that we can prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt, we would file the ca= se regardless of their background.=C2=A0 We looked at their background when= deciding what plea agreement we gave.=C2=A0 I don't feel like we ever went= out of our way to ruin a person's life, although I realize that is often= the result.

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: Nuggets on December 08, 2012, 07:32= pm

Hey,

What is average sentence/punishment for a 1st time drug ch= arge and 3 pounds of weed. I know it varies greatly, but just wondering if= you have seen multiple pounds for 1 guy, and it was his 1st drug charge.= Thanks

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: jay92 on December 08, 2012, 07:35 pm<= /strong>

Quo= te from: 420SLINGER on December 08, 2012, 06:16 pm
Quote from: jay92 on December 08, 2012, 04:47 pm
HJAslinger, I hope= you think about, regret and pay for the hundreds of lives you've ruined yo= u scumbag piece of shit.

WHAT THE FUCK DUDE HE IS HERE TR= YING TO FIX HIS WRONGS HE DOES NOT NEED SOME ASSHOLE LIKE YOU YELLING INSUL= TS AT HIM I THINK WHAT HE IS DOIING IS A GREAT WAY TO PAY BACK FOR HIS MIST= AKES

You obviously haven't been victimized by the war on drug= s yet, and I hope you never are, but until then you'll never understand why= I said what I said. There is a way for him to make things right, and that= would be to serve prison time, just like he made everyone else do. Just do= ing a job because somebody else would be doing it anyway is not a viable ex= cuse. Spend some time in the place you've sent people for the last 13 years= and see how you like it, or better yet, how long you'd even fucking last.= While I am pleased to see that you are "attempting" to right your wrongs,= this doesn't even closely begin to cover the things you've done, you'll ge= t no respect or sympathy out of me. Come back when you actually know the pa= in you've caused to other, HJAnslinger.

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: HJAnslinger on December 08, 2012, 07:= 41 pm

Quo= te from: shunyata on December 08, 2012, 07:24 pm
Exactly, so receiving a package with drugs do= es not mean drugs were purchased by owner of house. LE has to show the owne= r purchased the drugs and had them delivered to his address. How would LE= proof drugs were purchased when using our system? BTW thank you for being= here and helping out. I assume you were looking for drugs yourself and fel= t bad about your past. I appreciate your turning to the right path. The war= on drugs is lost and inhumane. Drug users are not criminals. Killers, rapi= sts and pedophiles are....

The beauty of this system is that= the buyer has no idea who is selling them the drugs.=C2=A0 I still talk to= some people I used to work with and they talk about this place.=C2=A0 They= don't know what to do about it.=C2=A0 In general, the police are intereste= d in getting drug dealers.=C2=A0 They will arrest buyers to get to the deal= ers.=C2=A0 They try to flip small time dealers to get to bigger dealers, bu= t that rarely happens.=C2=A0 Usually they are just getting other small deal= ers.=C2=A0 The only way I know of that they could prove you were using SR= is by seizing your computer and finding evidence on it or by you telling= them.=C2=A0 Even if that happens, they still won't be able to get to the= dealer.=C2=A0 SR is very frustrating to law enforcement.=C2=A0 I just talk= ed to a cop who was at a conference where the DEA was talking about SR.=C2= =A0 According to him, they don't have a clue with how to bust this place an= d the DEA guy was one of their computer experts.

I had read about th= is place online and I had heard about it from some people I used to work wi= th, so I thought I would take a look.=C2=A0 It's pretty tempting for me to= get some drugs for myself on here, but I doubt I do that.=C2=A0 I've pisse= d off some people in law enforcement and there would be nothing more they= would love than to arrest me.=C2=A0 Too much risk for me.

I'm happy= to share what I can to help.=C2=A0 As I stated before, you shouldn't be la= beled a criminal because you use drugs, but I know plenty of criminals who= happen to use drugs.

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: lettsindig on December 08, 2012, 07:4= 1 pm

Wow, this is really cool, if it's real:)=C2=A0
I have no question,= and not from your country anyway, so ignore rest if wanted. Just a thanks= for your time doing this,mister ex prosecutor=3D)

You may know, but= I think most of us dislike most crime as much as you prolly do, and wish= no harm in any of our drug-related doings which are still criminal.
I think most of the worst troubled drug users (and prolly criminals in ge= neral) are somewhat weak/vulnerable and troubled people (abused,traumatized= ,neglected,lacking education,poverty,injustice etc., or such) with differen= t issues leading to their drug abuse that is the main problem, and most are= aware of in some way, but doesn't really mean any harm..many just don't kn= ow better,for unfortunate reasons. Hopefully with spreading well-being and= good knowledge/education and all, will fix most of this in the future so= people will be able to make their own well educated choises themselves, so= you guys can focus on other troubled beings that may be a bigger threat to= more peoples well-being and further spread the misery thru violence and su= ch.=C2=A0
Hopefully the drug war, in its current form atleast, will end= soon, and be replaced with better knowledge and understanding and fairness= , instead of prison and pain that I think just makes worse. Atleast that's= what I think so far..
But eh,sorry I talk alot some times,heh..will end= here for now=3DP

Thanks again, and happy holidays and good night ev= eryone,wherever on the planet you reside:)

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: HJAnslinger on December 08, 2012, 07:= 48 pm

Quo= te from: Nuggets on December 08, 2012, 07:32 pm
Hey,

What is average sentence/punishm= ent for a 1st time drug charge and 3 pounds of weed. I know it varies great= ly, but just wondering if you have seen multiple pounds for 1 guy, and it= was his 1st drug charge. Thanks

Like you said, it varies gre= atly.=C2=A0 In my county, if the guy didn't have a criminal record, he's li= kely only going to get probation.=C2=A0 It might even get reduced to a misd= emeanor if he doesn't get in trouble while on probation.=C2=A0 I can't reme= mber any cases where we had pounds and it was the person's first drug charg= e.

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: HJAnslinger on December 08, 2012, 07:= 53 pm

Quo= te from: lettsindig on December 08, 2012, 07:41 pm
Wow, this is really cool, if it's real:)=C2= =A0
I have no question, and not from your country anyway, so ignore res= t if wanted. Just a thanks for your time doing this,mister ex prosecutor=3D= )

You may know, but I think most of us dislike most crime as much as= you prolly do, and wish no harm in any of our drug-related doings which ar= e still criminal.

I think most of the worst troubled drug users (an= d prolly criminals in general) are somewhat weak/vulnerable and troubled pe= ople (abused,traumatized,neglected,lacking education etc., or such) with di= fferent issues leading to their drug abuse that is the main problem, and mo= st are aware of in some way, but doesn't really mean any harm..many just do= n't know better,for unfortunate reasons. Hopefully with spreading well-bein= g and good knowledge/education and all, will fix most of this in the future= so people will be able to make their own well educated choises themselves,= so you guys can focus on other troubled beings that may be a bigger treat= to more peoples well-being and further spread the misery thru violence and= such.=C2=A0
Hopefully the drug war, in its current form atleast, will= end soon, and be replaced with better knowledge and understanding instead= of prison and pain that I think just makes worse. Atleast that's what I th= ink so far..
But eh,sorry I talk alot some times,heh..will end here for= now=3DP

Thanks again, and happy holidays and good night everyone,wh= erever on the planet you reside:)

You're welcome and I agree= with you.=C2=A0 Just because some people can't handle drugs, doesn't mean= it should be illegal for the people who can.=C2=A0 Some people are obese= because of all the fast food they eat, but I don't see them making McDonal= d's illegal anytime soon (although Mayor Bloomburg might).

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: brutusk on December 08, 2012, 08:27= pm

Hi OP, thanks for starting this thread. It is very informative, and con= firms several theories I have come to while researching the best way to go= about business on SR.

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: 420SLINGER on December 08, 2012, 11:5= 1 pm

Quo= te from: jay92 on December 08, 2012, 07:35 pm
Quote from: 420SLINGER on December 08, 2012, 06:16 pm
Quote from: jay92 on Decem= ber 08, 2012, 04:47 pm
HJAslinger, I hope you think about, regret and pay for the hundreds of= lives you've ruined you scumbag piece of shit.

WHAT THE= FUCK DUDE HE IS HERE TRYING TO FIX HIS WRONGS HE DOES NOT NEED SOME ASSHOL= E LIKE YOU YELLING INSULTS AT HIM I THINK WHAT HE IS DOIING IS A GREAT WAY= TO PAY BACK FOR HIS MISTAKES

huntsville tx state pak 12=C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A02 years 8 months 14 days=C2=A0= ON A NICKEL=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 BITCH

Y= ou obviously haven't been victimized by the war on drugs yet, and I hope yo= u never are, but until then you'll never understand why I said what I said.= There is a way for him to make things right, and that would be to serve pr= ison time, just like he made everyone else do. Just doing a job because som= ebody else would be doing it anyway is not a viable excuse. Spend some time= in the place you've sent people for the last 13 years and see how you like= it, or better yet, how long you'd even fucking last. While I am pleased to= see that you are "attempting" to right your wrongs, this doesn't even clos= ely begin to cover the things you've done, you'll get no respect or sympath= y out of me. Come back when you actually know the pain you've caused to oth= er, HJAnslinger.

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: firehawk on December 09, 2012, 03:32= am

Just a thank you to the OP. Very good of you to come here and share you= r knowledge and experience.

As for the people who've been prosecuted= and done jail time, maybe you could stop raging and pay attention. You're= less likely to end up back in jail if you make use of resources like this.=

As an aside, I whole-heartedly agree with your sentiment about 'Usi= ng drugs shouldn't make you a criminal, but lots of criminals use drugs'.= I came to SR because I'm an otherwise upstanding citizen who likes to get= high, and doesn't like to consort with criminals in order to do so.
Again, thank you.

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: tor12345 on December 09, 2012, 03:49= am

Thank you for the thread.

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: astor on December 09, 2012, 04:25 am<= /strong>

Thanks for taking the time to answer questions. This has been a really= enlightening thread.

Also, this is good to hear:

Quote from: HJAns= linger on December 08, 2012, 07:41 pm
I just talked to a cop who was at a conference where the= DEA was talking about SR.=C2=A0 According to him, they don't have a clue= with how to bust this place and the DEA guy was one of their computer expe= rts.

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: tor12345 on December 09, 2012, 04:38= am

If possible, it would be nice to hear what strategies you think will be= used to shut this down/shut vendors down and what cacn be done to help sto= p those threats. Basically asking for a rant on any information you may hav= e but have not been asked for yet.

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: clearcare on December 09, 2012, 05:37= am

Has edibles ever been caught in customs and has anybody been prosecuted= based on bringing in edibles from other countries?

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: Greynick on December 09, 2012, 11:28= am

I too appreciate this thread. Thank you OP.

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: Xe on December 09, 2012, 12:43 pm

Quo= te from: HJAnslinger on December 08, 2012, 07:41 pm
The only way I know of that they could pro= ve you were using SR is by seizing your computer and finding evidence on it= ..
What kind of evidence that might be found on the pc would be suffi= cient in your opinion?
Saved links to sr? Personal photos not related to= sr in any way? What else could it be?

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: tango on December 09, 2012, 12:49 pm<= /strong>

explains why cops go straight for the laptop when they raid your house.=

that said though, once they had your laptop, they still couldnt= get into your account to prove anything, unless you stored SR details/orde= r info on your computer locally.

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: Kwasi on December 09, 2012, 01:10 pm<= /strong>

I live across the road from a "Drug Free School Zone" (Note to readers:= in the United States this is a federally and locally enforced zone pushing= 1000 feet from the border of all school properties), I can literally read= the sign from my front porch.=C2=A0 About a block away is a police station= .=C2=A0 My neighborhood and residence is about as "white" and (vanishing)= middle class as anywhere else in America and there's nothing visibly happe= ning at my property to cause suspicion of anything illegal.

The stat= e I live in has medical marijuana and I'm a card holder.

My question= : On the ridiculous situation that a police officer actually had a legal an= d valid reason to enter my premises and busts me for possession - yet I'm= legally allowed to have it by State law - what charge(s) could possibly be= made on me and how would the prosecution be handled?

(Yes, I'm plan= ning on moving.)

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: citizen erased on December 09, 2012,= 01:29 pm

Quo= te from: HJAnslinger on December 08, 2012, 04:42 am
Quote from: hvy on December 08, 2012, 03:03 am
What is the cutoff= amount that was found for drugs to be referred for prosecution? For drugs= such as marijuana, cocaine mdma, lsd, etc

Never prosecuted= anyone for mdma or lsd.=C2=A0 I never saw a case referred for prosecution= that was less than a pound for marijuana or 2 ounces for cocaine.=C2=A0 De= finitely not saying you are safe if you order less, but most offices don't= have time to mess with small time buyers.

On another note, what I= find interesting about this place is how the risk is totally the opposite= of how it normally is.=C2=A0 Most of the time, we were only interested in= dealers.=C2=A0 The only time users were arrested was when they were caught= by uniform officers, usually during traffic stops.=C2=A0 Seems to me that= the easiest way to get busted here is when you are the buyer.=C2=A0 Most= of the time when undercover cops bust the buyers it is because they want= to get to the dealer.=C2=A0 Obviously, there is no way a buyer on SR knows= who the seller is.

One piece of advice I can give everyone is to ne= ver NEVER talk to the cops if you get busted.=C2=A0 They will act like they= are your friend and they will tell you it will be better if you talk.=C2= =A0 Sometimes you can get a better deal if you talk, but don't think for an= instant that you have to talk right away.=C2=A0 You can always ask for a= lawyer.=C2=A0 If you do have good info, then the cops can wait.=C2=A0 If= people didn't talk, we would have solved a lot less cases.

T= he list paragraph needs to be drilled into young people. If you've done som= ething wrong (and we all know if we've done something wrong or not) then yo= u do not say a fucking word to the police.

In your experience what= approximate percantage of cases were solved due to the confession of the= convicted rather than pure detective and prosecution work?

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: HJAnslinger on December 09, 2012, 03:= 20 pm

Quo= te from: tor12345 on December 09, 2012, 04:38 am
If possible, it would be nice to hear what st= rategies you think will be used to shut this down/shut vendors down and wha= t cacn be done to help stop those threats. Basically asking for a rant on= any information you may have but have not been asked for yet.
I left the prosecutor's office before this place existed, so I don't have= any inside info on what the DEA is doing to try to shut this place down.= =C2=A0 I'm sure they are monitoring this website, but I don't know what the= y can do about it.=C2=A0 It will be a lot harder to bust the vendors since= the buyers have no idea who they are.

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: HJAnslinger on December 09, 2012, 03:= 22 pm

Quo= te from: clearcare on December 09, 2012, 05:37 am
Has edibles ever been caught in customs and= has anybody been prosecuted based on bringing in edibles from other countr= ies?

I never had an edible case in my jurisdiction, but I hav= e no idea about other jurisdictions.=C2=A0 I didn't really deal with custom= s that much, so I don't know whether they have caught people trying to brin= g them in from other countries.

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: HJAnslinger on December 09, 2012, 03:= 27 pm

Quo= te from: Xe on December 09, 2012, 12:43 pm
Quote from: HJAnslinger on December 08, 2012, 07:41 pm=
The only way I know= of that they could prove you were using SR is by seizing your computer and= finding evidence on it..
What kind of evidence that might be found= on the pc would be sufficient in your opinion?
Saved links to sr? Perso= nal photos not related to sr in any way? What else could it be?
<= br>I'm definitely not a computer expert, but if they saw you were using TOR= and you had the silk road website as a bookmark, that would be a pretty go= od clue.=C2=A0 Using SR isn't really going to make much of a difference to= the buyer.=C2=A0 The crime is possession of the drugs, not where you got= them from.

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: HJAnslinger on December 09, 2012, 03:= 30 pm

Quo= te from: Kwasi on December 09, 2012, 01:10 pm
I live across the road from a "Drug Free School= Zone" (Note to readers: in the United States this is a federally and local= ly enforced zone pushing 1000 feet from the border of all school properties= ), I can literally read the sign from my front porch.=C2=A0 About a block= away is a police station.=C2=A0 My neighborhood and residence is about as= "white" and (vanishing) middle class as anywhere else in America and there= 's nothing visibly happening at my property to cause suspicion of anything= illegal.

The state I live in has medical marijuana and I'm a card= holder.

My question: On the ridiculous situation that a police offi= cer actually had a legal and valid reason to enter my premises and busts me= for possession - yet I'm legally allowed to have it by State law - what ch= arge(s) could possibly be made on me and how would the prosecution be handl= ed?

(Yes, I'm planning on moving.)

Under your state la= w, are you allowed to possess MJ within 1000 feet of a school if are a card= holder?=C2=A0 If so, you shouldn't have a problem.=C2=A0 The feds aren't= going to go after users.=C2=A0 They don't have enough money to do that.

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: HJAnslinger on December 09, 2012, 03:= 37 pm

Quo= te from: citizen erased on December 09, 2012, 01:29 pm
Quote from: HJAnslinger on December 08, 2012= , 04:42 am
Quote from: hv= y on December 08, 2012, 03:03 am
What is the cutoff amount that was found for drugs to be refe= rred for prosecution? For drugs such as marijuana, cocaine mdma, lsd, etc

Never prosecuted anyone for mdma or lsd.=C2=A0 I never saw a= case referred for prosecution that was less than a pound for marijuana or= 2 ounces for cocaine.=C2=A0 Definitely not saying you are safe if you orde= r less, but most offices don't have time to mess with small time buyers.
On another note, what I find interesting about this place is how the= risk is totally the opposite of how it normally is.=C2=A0 Most of the time= , we were only interested in dealers.=C2=A0 The only time users were arrest= ed was when they were caught by uniform officers, usually during traffic st= ops.=C2=A0 Seems to me that the easiest way to get busted here is when you= are the buyer.=C2=A0 Most of the time when undercover cops bust the buyers= it is because they want to get to the dealer.=C2=A0 Obviously, there is no= way a buyer on SR knows who the seller is.

One piece of advice I ca= n give everyone is to never NEVER talk to the cops if you get busted.=C2=A0= They will act like they are your friend and they will tell you it will be= better if you talk.=C2=A0 Sometimes you can get a better deal if you talk,= but don't think for an instant that you have to talk right away.=C2=A0 You= can always ask for a lawyer.=C2=A0 If you do have good info, then the cops= can wait.=C2=A0 If people didn't talk, we would have solved a lot less cas= es.

The list paragraph needs to be drilled into young people.= If you've done something wrong (and we all know if we've done something wr= ong or not) then you do not say a fucking word to the police.

In you= r experience what approximate percantage of cases were solved due to the co= nfession of the convicted rather than pure detective and prosecution work?<= br>

Hard to put an actual percentage on it, but it's well over 50= %.=C2=A0 One of the big tricks the cops use to get a confession is to lie= to you and tell you that your friend/co-defendant already told them everyt= hing.=C2=A0 They will say that they are "giving you a chance" to help yours= elf.=C2=A0 That's BS.=C2=A0 Even if your friend did talk, you are only goin= g to screw yourself.=C2=A0 If the only evidence we had was the testimony of= another admitted drug user, we wouldn't be able to prove our case.=C2=A0= No mater what they tell you, don't talk.

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: acider on December 09, 2012, 04:59 pm=

Hi again.
How much worse will the penalty be if the drugs were impor= ted? For example being charged for an ounce of weed vs an ounce plus import= ing from another country.
Also at which quantities of weed you are more= likely to get jail-time than probation? For a person without previous reco= rd. If this is affected by state law please give me a rough estimation for= your state, that you have experience.
Thank you !
(Sorry for any pos= sible wrong terminology not native english speaker)

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: sweetbro on December 09, 2012, 09:44= pm

1.) if a defendant gets arrested for drugs and all the say durinjg the= interview process is "no comment" is that taken poorly and as a sign of gu= ilt? will the judge get angry and throw the book down on them even tho its= not supposed to mean any sign of guilt to say no comment?

2.) if yo= ur house got raided would they take every single computer device in your ho= use - every poratbkle harddrive, every usb stick and every machine. if you= worked in IT and were fixing somebodies machines would they take the custo= mers machines as well?

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: Bakura on December 09, 2012, 11:20 pm=

Very useful infos, thx OP.

Q- Any chance that if my drugs never= get outta my home I am less likely to get caught?

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: tor12345 on December 10, 2012, 01:13= am

Will you please outline how one should sell drugs in real life?

= Do either of the following provide protection...

1. Person A accepts= payment and person B delivers. Drugs and money are never in the same place= .

2. Person A takes the money and a location for a dead drop is prov= ided. Drugs are not hand delivered.

I'd also like to know about surv= eillance. How does it work, how long does it typically go on for, what is= LE enforcement looking for? I know this is very general and I'm sory for= that. Any information you can provide would be great.

Thanks again.

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: HJAnslinger on December 10, 2012, 01:= 41 am

Quo= te from: acider on December 09, 2012, 04:59 pm
Hi again.
How much worse will the penalty= be if the drugs were imported? For example being charged for an ounce of= weed vs an ounce plus importing from another country.
Also at which qua= ntities of weed you are more likely to get jail-time than probation? For a= person without previous record. If this is affected by state law please gi= ve me a rough estimation for your state, that you have experience.
Thank= you !
(Sorry for any possible wrong terminology not native english spea= ker)

Where I worked, it wouldn't be any worse if you imported= from another country.=C2=A0 Can't really answer your question about quanti= ties of weed getting jail vs. probation.=C2=A0 Not only does it vary from= state to state, it can vary from court to court.=C2=A0 Quantity isn't the= only thing they look at when determining a sentence.=C2=A0 Many many other= factors.

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: HJAnslinger on December 10, 2012, 01:= 55 am

Quo= te from: sweetbro on December 09, 2012, 09:44 pm
1.) if a defendant gets arrested for drugs an= d all the say durinjg the interview process is "no comment" is that taken= poorly and as a sign of guilt? will the judge get angry and throw the book= down on them even tho its not supposed to mean any sign of guilt to say no= comment?

2.) if your house got raided would they take every single= computer device in your house - every poratbkle harddrive, every usb stick= and every machine. if you worked in IT and were fixing somebodies machines= would they take the customers machines as well?

1.=C2=A0 You= have a constitutional right to remain silent in the US.=C2=A0 A prosecutor= cannot use your silence against you in court.=C2=A0 A judge can't use your= silence against you either.=C2=A0 There are times when cooperating with th= e police can be helpful to you, but you should get a good lawyer before you= talk to the police.=C2=A0 If they have enough evidence to prosecute you,= they will do that whether or not you help them.=C2=A0 If they file charges= , then you have a right to see the evidence they have against you.=C2=A0 If= it looks like you are screwed, then you could make the decision to help th= e police in order to get a better deal, but being a snitch obviously can ca= use other problems.

2.=C2=A0 It depends what the search warrant says= .=C2=A0 If it says they can take all of the computers and related devices,= then yes they will do that.=C2=A0 Even if it was someone elses computer,= they would take it too.

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: HJAnslinger on December 10, 2012, 02:= 13 am

Quo= te from: Bakura on December 09, 2012, 11:20 pm
Very useful infos, thx OP.

Q- Any chan= ce that if my drugs never get outta my home I am less likely to get caught?=
<= /div>

Not really sure what you are asking.=C2=A0 You are always ta= king a chance when you have drugs with you in public.=C2=A0 You could get= stopped for a speeding ticket and if the cop gets suspicious and runs a dr= ug dog around your car, you are busted.=C2=A0 It will be safer to keep them= in your home.=C2=A0 It is much more difficult for the police to search you= r house.=C2=A0 They would have to get a search warrant.

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: HJAnslinger on December 10, 2012, 02:= 35 am

Quo= te from: tor12345 on December 10, 2012, 01:13 am
Will you please outline how one should sell= drugs in real life?

Do either of the following provide protection..= .

1. Person A accepts payment and person B delivers. Drugs and money= are never in the same place.

2. Person A takes the money and a loca= tion for a dead drop is provided. Drugs are not hand delivered.

I'd= also like to know about surveillance. How does it work, how long does it= typically go on for, what is LE enforcement looking for? I know this is ve= ry general and I'm sory for that. Any information you can provide would be= great.

Thanks again.

There is no foolproof way to sel= l illegal drugs.=C2=A0 There is always a chance you will get caught.=C2=A0= The only thing you can do is minimize the chances of being caught.

= The problem with #1 is that person B could be selling to the police or a CI= .=C2=A0 When person B gets caught, they might talk to the police and give= up person A.=C2=A0 That's how most dealers end up getting caught.=C2=A0 Yo= u have the same problem with #2.=C2=A0 The person buying the drugs could be= working for the police.=C2=A0 If you are going to sell, the less people yo= u sell to the better.=C2=A0 If you are selling to 100 different people, the= re is a good chance some of them will get caught.=C2=A0 There is also a goo= d chance they will end up working as a CI and set you up.=C2=A0 In my opini= on, the SR is the safest way to deal drugs.=C2=A0 Almost impossible to find= out who the seller is.

If the police are doing surveillance, it cou= ld be a variety of things.=C2=A0 They could be watching you from another lo= cation.=C2=A0 They could get a warrant and tap your phone lines.=C2=A0 The= length of time is going to depend on how big a dealer the person is.=C2=A0= If it's someone just selling a few ounces of weed a week, they are not goi= ng to set up 24 hour surveillance.=C2=A0 They are looking for any evidence= they can use against you.=C2=A0 You likely will never know they are conduc= ting surveillance until it is too late.

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: NotMe123 on December 10, 2012, 03:22= am

just keeping an eye on this thread

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: tor12345 on December 10, 2012, 03:52= am

Quo= te from: HJAnslinger on December 10, 2012, 02:35 am
Quote from: tor12345 on December 10, 2012, 01:13= am
Will you pleas= e outline how one should sell drugs in real life?

Do either of the= following provide protection...

1. Person A accepts payment and per= son B delivers. Drugs and money are never in the same place.

2. Pers= on A takes the money and a location for a dead drop is provided. Drugs are= not hand delivered.

I'd also like to know about surveillance. How= does it work, how long does it typically go on for, what is LE enforcement= looking for? I know this is very general and I'm sory for that. Any inform= ation you can provide would be great.

Thanks again.
=

Th= ere is no foolproof way to sell illegal drugs.=C2=A0 There is always a chan= ce you will get caught.=C2=A0 The only thing you can do is minimize the cha= nces of being caught.

The problem with #1 is that person B could be= selling to the police or a CI.=C2=A0 When person B gets caught, they might= talk to the police and give up person A.=C2=A0 That's how most dealers end= up getting caught.=C2=A0 You have the same problem with #2.=C2=A0 The pers= on buying the drugs could be working for the police.=C2=A0 If you are going= to sell, the less people you sell to the better.=C2=A0 If you are selling= to 100 different people, there is a good chance some of them will get caug= ht.=C2=A0 There is also a good chance they will end up working as a CI and= set you up.=C2=A0 In my opinion, the SR is the safest way to deal drugs.= =C2=A0 Almost impossible to find out who the seller is.

If the polic= e are doing surveillance, it could be a variety of things.=C2=A0 They could= be watching you from another location.=C2=A0 They could get a warrant and= tap your phone lines.=C2=A0 The length of time is going to depend on how= big a dealer the person is.=C2=A0 If it's someone just selling a few ounce= s of weed a week, they are not going to set up 24 hour surveillance.=C2=A0= They are looking for any evidence they can use against you.=C2=A0 You like= ly will never know they are conducting surveillance until it is too late.

So regarding number 2. What risk is there if you accept large= amounts of cash from someone and never having drugs on your person or in= your house?

If you never have the drugs on you, just the money, wh= at is the worst that can happen?

Thanks again.

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: HassleHoff on December 10, 2012, 04:3= 9 am

Quote from: HJAnslinger on December 08, 2012, 12:19 pm
I can remember one case where a promin= ent person in our city was ordering MJ seeds from Amsterdam.=C2=A0 He got= busted because it got intercepted by Customs.=C2=A0 Got a search warrant= and made a controlled delivery.=C2=A0

Quote from: HJAnslinger= on December 08, 2012, 12:19 pm
It is that easy to get a warrant and he did not have any previ= ous record.=C2=A0 In fact, he was a prominent doctor in our city.=C2=A0 Of= course, they will have to confirm some things before they get a warrant,= but if they package is in the name of a person who lives at the house, tha= t is enough.

Its pretty scary that 'they' would go through th= e trouble of getting a warrant for some seeds. Was this guy growing for per= sonal use ? What type of info would they need other than the seeds to get= a warrant like this. Would there have to be evidence of trafficking or som= ething ?=20

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: HJAnslinger on December 10, 2012, 05:= 42 pm

Quo= te from: tor12345 on December 10, 2012, 03:52 am
Quote from: HJAnslinger on December 10, 2012, 02:35= am
Quote from: tor12345= on December 10, 2012, 01:13 am
Will you please outline how one should sell drugs in real life= ?

Do either of the following provide protection...

1. Person= A accepts payment and person B delivers. Drugs and money are never in the= same place.

2. Person A takes the money and a location for a dead= drop is provided. Drugs are not hand delivered.

I'd also like to kn= ow about surveillance. How does it work, how long does it typically go on= for, what is LE enforcement looking for? I know this is very general and= I'm sory for that. Any information you can provide would be great.

= Thanks again.

There is no foolproof way to sell illegal drugs= .=C2=A0 There is always a chance you will get caught.=C2=A0 The only thing= you can do is minimize the chances of being caught.

The problem wit= h #1 is that person B could be selling to the police or a CI.=C2=A0 When pe= rson B gets caught, they might talk to the police and give up person A.=C2= =A0 That's how most dealers end up getting caught.=C2=A0 You have the same= problem with #2.=C2=A0 The person buying the drugs could be working for th= e police.=C2=A0 If you are going to sell, the less people you sell to the= better.=C2=A0 If you are selling to 100 different people, there is a good= chance some of them will get caught.=C2=A0 There is also a good chance the= y will end up working as a CI and set you up.=C2=A0 In my opinion, the SR= is the safest way to deal drugs.=C2=A0 Almost impossible to find out who= the seller is.

If the police are doing surveillance, it could be a= variety of things.=C2=A0 They could be watching you from another location.= =C2=A0 They could get a warrant and tap your phone lines.=C2=A0 The length= of time is going to depend on how big a dealer the person is.=C2=A0 If it'= s someone just selling a few ounces of weed a week, they are not going to= set up 24 hour surveillance.=C2=A0 They are looking for any evidence they= can use against you.=C2=A0 You likely will never know they are conducting= surveillance until it is too late.

So regarding number 2. Wh= at risk is there if you accept large amounts of cash from someone and never= having drugs on your person or in your house?

If you never have th= e drugs on you, just the money, what is the worst that can happen?

T= hanks again.

Why is person A taking the money?=C2=A0 There ha= d to have been some sort of communication about the amount of money, where= the drop will be, what the person is buying etc.=C2=A0 If the person buyin= g the drugs is working for the police, they are going to have a record of= those conversations.=C2=A0 Just because you didn't have the drugs on you,= you are still guilty of dealing.=C2=A0 Even if you don't participate in th= e entire deal, you can still be found guilty.

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: HJAnslinger on December 10, 2012, 05:= 49 pm

Quo= te from: HassleHoff on December 10, 2012, 04:39 am

Quote from: HJAnslinger on December 08, 2012= , 12:19 pm
I can= remember one case where a prominent person in our city was ordering MJ see= ds from Amsterdam.=C2=A0 He got busted because it got intercepted by Custom= s.=C2=A0 Got a search warrant and made a controlled delivery.=C2=A0

Quote from: HJAnslinger on December 08, 2012, 12:19 pm
=
It is that easy to get a warrant= and he did not have any previous record.=C2=A0 In fact, he was a prominent= doctor in our city.=C2=A0 Of course, they will have to confirm some things= before they get a warrant, but if they package is in the name of a person= who lives at the house, that is enough.

Its pretty scary tha= t 'they' would go through the trouble of getting a warrant for some seeds.= Was this guy growing for personal use ? What type of info would they need= other than the seeds to get a warrant like this. Would there have to be ev= idence of trafficking or something ?

He was not just growing= for personal use, but that wouldn't matter.=C2=A0 They confirmed that he= lived at the address and did a controlled delivery.=C2=A0 They got what is= called an anticipatory search warrant.=C2=A0 Basically, it gives the polic= e permission to execute the search warrant once the person accepts the deli= very because the person is now in possession of an illegal substance.

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: metaphoe on December 10, 2012, 07:32= pm

i went to court today.. and they were goin to lower a class B misdmeano= r to a class C.. if i can complete some hours of CommunityService. and a Dr= ug Offender Edu.program..

now i finished the hours and i just need= the DOEP so i can get the charge lowred. but when i went today i was a lil= ' late and my D. attorny
got me a continuance for friday.

i told= him i have finals exam for college all this week and he said that they are= only allowed 1 coninuance

man. n ' he's not even a real attorney ju= st a attorny assistant or something.

now i have to take that exam on= friday and its on the same day of my court hearing. is it possible to get= another rescheduled ?
if i go to the county clerk and put a motion in= with proof of excuse?

i got caught with less than a gram of marijua= na and it wasn't in my possesion.

so they want me to accept this pl= ea bargin for the case. but now they say if i can complete the adjudication= demanded then they will keep me with a class B charge. and might give me= probation and what not, but as of now they have me listed already with the= Class B. so is my stupid fake attorney just informed imporperly >?
<= br>what should i do ? i know the clases take 4 days. so i might just be off= 1 day for the completition of the program im just really scared of my free= dom

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: pakak1 on December 10, 2012, 09:54 pm=

This is a great thread thanks! even that im not from USA , stuff sound= just 100% similar to here when it comes to dealing with the police, prosec= uting process etc....=C2=A0 (been there unfortunately)

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: sunny1 on December 10, 2012, 11:16 pm=

Quote
They got what is called an anti= cipatory search warrant.=C2=A0 Basically, it gives the police permission to= execute the search warrant once the person accepts the delivery because th= e person is now in possession of an illegal substance.

This is wh= at i've heard before about cd's on mail delivery. They discover the goods= and when you sign for it they execute the warrant. Or if you take the pack= age inside, in some situations. What you said seems to confirm that they ca= n't execute the warrant without some evidence the person knew what was in= it. IOW, a package of drugs sent to your name proves nothing unless you ta= ke it inside or sign for it. Have you heard of them executing a warrant wit= h just a package sent to their name and no other factors involved? Lets say= they leave it in the mailbox for a good long time or refuse to sign for it?

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: thelorax on December 10, 2012, 11:49= pm

i dont believe this guy for a second.. hes just some dude prolly that= is not a retard.. all hes saying is shit i already know from simply being= on these forums and from being a
drug dealer and trouble maker my whol= e life..

seems like a dude trying to spit some knowledge to all you= guys who dont know how to deal with being busted and i commend him for tha= t...
but yeah def. by the way he types and the way he talks about people= ( calling a DEA AGENT a DEA GUY!!) GTFO BITCH no way in hell a man that ha= d to talk to lawyers and judges all day would refer to anyone in law enforc= emnt as DEA GUY LOL BUT=C2=A0 whatever nice job ur doing giving out info..= def. helpful carry on..

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: HJAnslinger on December 11, 2012, 12:= 30 am

Quo= te from: sunny1 on December 10, 2012, 11:16 pm
Quote
They= got what is called an anticipatory search warrant.=C2=A0 Basically, it giv= es the police permission to execute the search warrant once the person acce= pts the delivery because the person is now in possession of an illegal subs= tance.

This is what i've heard before about cd's on mail delivery= . They discover the goods and when you sign for it they execute the warrant= . Or if you take the package inside, in some situations. What you said seem= s to confirm that they can't execute the warrant without some evidence the= person knew what was in it. IOW, a package of drugs sent to your name prov= es nothing unless you take it inside or sign for it. Have you heard of them= executing a warrant with just a package sent to their name and no other fa= ctors involved? Lets say they leave it in the mailbox for a good long time= or refuse to sign for it?

In the cases I saw, nobody ever= refused to sign for a package.=C2=A0 If they had, then the police wouldn't= have been able to go in to the house.=C2=A0 The would never just leave a= package in a mailbox.=C2=A0 It had to be a controlled delivery.

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: HJAnslinger on December 11, 2012, 12:= 35 am

Quo= te from: thelorax on December 10, 2012, 11:49 pm
i dont believe this guy for a second.. hes ju= st some dude prolly that is not a retard.. all hes saying is shit i already= know from simply being on these forums and from being a
drug dealer an= d trouble maker my whole life..

seems like a dude trying to spit so= me knowledge to all you guys who dont know how to deal with being busted an= d i commend him for that...
but yeah def. by the way he types and the wa= y he talks about people ( calling a DEA AGENT a DEA GUY!!) GTFO BITCH no wa= y in hell a man that had to talk to lawyers and judges all day would refer= to anyone in law enforcemnt as DEA GUY LOL BUT=C2=A0 whatever nice job ur= doing giving out info.. def. helpful carry on..

LOL.=C2=A0= I'm glad at least you "prolly" think I'm not a retard.=C2=A0 Don't even re= member calling anyone a DEA guy, but I'll take your word for it.=C2=A0 You= obviously don't know some of the defense lawyers I dealt with.=C2=A0 You= don't have to be a genius to get into law school.

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: HJAnslinger on December 11, 2012, 12:= 47 am

Quo= te from: metaphoe on December 10, 2012, 07:32 pm
i went to court today.. and they were goin to= lower a class B misdmeanor to a class C.. if i can complete some hours of= CommunityService. and a Drug Offender Edu.program..

now i finished= the hours and i just need the DOEP so i can get the charge lowred. but whe= n i went today i was a lil' late and my D. attorny
got me a continuance= for friday.

i told him i have finals exam for college all this week= and he said that they are only allowed 1 coninuance

man. n ' he's= not even a real attorney just a attorny assistant or something.

now= i have to take that exam on friday and its on the same day of my court hea= ring. is it possible to get another rescheduled ?
if i go to the county= clerk and put a motion in with proof of excuse?

i got caught with= less than a gram of marijuana and it wasn't in my possesion.

so th= ey want me to accept this plea bargin for the case. but now they say if i= can complete the adjudication demanded then they will keep me with a class= B charge. and might give me probation and what not, but as of now they hav= e me listed already with the Class B. so is my stupid fake attorney just in= formed imporperly >?

what should i do ? i know the clases take 4= days. so i might just be off 1 day for the completition of the program im= just really scared of my freedom

Every state, county and cou= rt is different.=C2=A0 I have no idea if they will grant a continuance in= your case.=C2=A0 It doesn't hurt to ask, but don't be surprised if they do= n't continue your hearing.

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: tor12345 on December 11, 2012, 10:26= am

HJ,

What advice can you give to resellers here on SR. People who= buy product on SR to resell that same product here on the road.

It= seems, given what you've said so far, the main weakness is having the prod= uct shipped to you and if you're getting large quantities there is the pote= ntial for large issues. What precautions can be taken?

I think what= typically happens is the reseller would setup a virtual office to have the= mail delivered to that is either in his name, another persons name, or the= name of a company setup for this purpose.

Do any of these options= provide more or less protection than the other options providing said pers= on is still picking up the delivery at some point?

Would having addi= tional names or fictional people listed on the virtual office paperwork pro= vide any protection since the reseller could potentially claim this other= person ordered it?

What would proper proceedure be? Does wirtting= "return to sender" on the package and not opening it for a few days provid= e any protection at all?

I tried to outline all the options I know= of. If you know of others or have any insightful information on this topic= I'm sure a number of poeple would find it useful.

Thanks.

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: SelfSovereignty on December 11, 2012,= 12:02 pm

Quo= te from: HJAnslinger on December 08, 2012, 05:13 pm
Quote from: jay92 on December 08, 2012, 04:47 pm<= /a>
HJAslinger, I hope= you think about, regret and pay for the hundreds of lives you've ruined yo= u scumbag piece of shit.

I do think about it and regret it,= but if it wasn't me, it would have been somebody else doing the same thing= .=C2=A0 I didn't make the bullshit laws.=C2=A0 I can't change the past, but= I hope I can help others avoid being labeled as criminals.

I= 'd like to apologize to you, sir, for the treatment with which you've been= met.=C2=A0 Too many aren't able to see that the past cannot be undone and= that trying to help some of those you would have once destroyed is more th= an most would do, and certainly more than you have to do.

Thank you= for your insights, and while I admittedly do share the bitter sentiments= of my fellows here, I know nobody is born knowing everything.=C2=A0 You ch= anged.=C2=A0 That's all anyone should ever ask of another person -- to chan= ge for the better.=C2=A0 For what it's worth, you seem to have decided to= do that.=C2=A0 You're an excellent human being today, apparently (you don'= t beat your wife or anything, right?=C2=A0 Right, of course not).=C2=A0 The= fact that a year ago you were a life-ruining monstrosity doesn't have the= power to change today, just as today doesn't have the power to change the= past.=C2=A0 Punishment helps nothing, it only satisfies petty desires for= revenge and a "fair" (i.e. vengeful) society.=C2=A0 Punishing others is wo= rse than a waste of time: it does nothing but harm to them and makes them= wish to do the same back to you.

Seriously, don't we all agree that= one of the things wrong with our justice system in this age is it's insist= ance on inflicting suffering for no gain whatsoever to those who have harme= d no one but themselves?=C2=A0 Shouldn't law be *only* about prevention and= rehabilitation?=C2=A0 Causing more pain and spewing more anger only invite= s the same to be thrown back at you.=C2=A0 It sucks and it's hard, but it's= the truth -- anger is virtually never helpful.

In short, wtf is wro= ng with some of you.=C2=A0 Let him teach what he has to teach.=C2=A0 Damn,= peoplez, be selfish and learn what you can if nothing else.

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: TFMP on December 11, 2012, 12:22 pm

Hi HJ
Let's say someone from an European country sends a very small= amount of a controlled substance like lsd to the US. The letter gets inter= cepted and police finds a fingerprint (from the sender). Will they run a ch= eck on fingerprints in their database? If so, are these fingerprints only= from people who have already committed a crime or do they have the possibi= lity to run a check on fingerprints of everyone who ever has entered the co= untry?
Many thanks.

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: BenCousins on December 11, 2012, 01:5= 2 pm

cool thread

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: sweetbro on December 11, 2012, 09:35= pm

if the law came to ser4ch your house what would they think if you said= things like:

"i dont use drugs, search the place if you like"
"d= ont waste my time, bring sniffer dogs in to do the search, why arent you br= inging sniffer dogs into search the place?"
"whyy are you wasting my tim= e? why diodnt you search this part of teh house, why didnt you use sniffer= dogs"
"i dont use drugs, drug test me, dont waste my time. i want to be= drug tested"
"i want the search to be recorded on video and my statemen= ts taken right now, take me to the police station - why are you being so sl= ow and incompentant"?

and in=C2=A0 the formal statement keep mention= ing why they didnt drug test you, why the didnt use a drug dog, why the car= ried out such a long search and incompetent search and why it took so long= to be able to give a formal statement and interview

then keep= going back to the law office and complaining about their incompetent searc= h and say your rights were not furfilled that you wanted to be drug tested= and you demanded they come back to your house and search it again this tim= e with sniffer dogs, then make formal complaints to the boss of the police= about their incopenat junior officers and demand they come back and do the= ir job properly again

i know they wouldnt like you but would the= y assume you are innocent instead of "no comment, no comment"?

assum= ing this search is over a drug import of 10 grams of coke or something
<= br>

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: GetYourFix on December 11, 2012, 09:3= 9 pm

Quo= te from: sweetbro on December 11, 2012, 09:35 pm
if the law came to ser4ch your house what wou= ld they think if you said things like:

"i dont use drugs, search the= place if you like"
"dont waste my time, bring sniffer dogs in to do the= search, why arent you bringing sniffer dogs into search the place?"
"wh= yy are you wasting my time? why diodnt you search this part of teh house,= why didnt you use sniffer dogs"
"i dont use drugs, drug test me, dont= waste my time. i want to be drug tested"
"i want the search to be recor= ded on video and my statements taken right now, take me to the police stati= on - why are you being so slow and incompentant"?

and in=C2=A0 the= formal statement keep mentioning why they didnt drug test you, why the did= nt use a drug dog, why the carried out such a long search and incompetent= search and why it took so long to be able to give a formal statement and= interview

then keep going back to the law office and complainin= g about their incompetent search and say your rights were not furfilled tha= t you wanted to be drug tested and you demanded they come back to your hous= e and search it again this time with sniffer dogs, then make formal complai= nts to the boss of the police about their incopenat junior officers and dem= and they come back and do their job properly again

i know they= wouldnt like you but would they assume you are innocent instead of "no com= ment, no comment"?

assuming this search is over a drug import of 10= grams of coke or something
Is this guy really allowed here? Reee= aalllllyyyyy????? Lol...

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: SelfSovereignty on December 11, 2012,= 09:45 pm

Quo= te from: GetYourFix on December 11, 2012, 09:39 pm
Quote from: sweetbro on December 11, 2012, 09:35= pm
if the law cam= e to ser4ch your house what would they think if you said things like:
"i dont use drugs, search the place if you like"
"dont waste my time,= bring sniffer dogs in to do the search, why arent you bringing sniffer dog= s into search the place?"
"whyy are you wasting my time? why diodnt you= search this part of teh house, why didnt you use sniffer dogs"
"i dont= use drugs, drug test me, dont waste my time. i want to be drug tested"
= "i want the search to be recorded on video and my statements taken right no= w, take me to the police station - why are you being so slow and incompenta= nt"?

and in=C2=A0 the formal statement keep mentioning why they didn= t drug test you, why the didnt use a drug dog, why the carried out such a= long search and incompetent search and why it took so long to be able to= give a formal statement and interview

then keep going back to= the law office and complaining about their incompetent search and say your= rights were not furfilled that you wanted to be drug tested and you demand= ed they come back to your house and search it again this time with sniffer= dogs, then make formal complaints to the boss of the police about their in= copenat junior officers and demand they come back and do their job properly= again

i know they wouldnt like you but would they assume you ar= e innocent instead of "no comment, no comment"?

assuming this search= is over a drug import of 10 grams of coke or something
Is this= guy really allowed here? Reeeaalllllyyyyy????? Lol...

LOL...= I think it may provide some insight to remember a really simple fact: poli= ce arrest you.=C2=A0 Prosecutors prosecute you.=C2=A0 Police don't have to= be sure you did it.=C2=A0 They just have to think there's a reasonable cha= nce that you did -- the rest is up to the courts, and their job's over.=C2= =A0 They don't really just let some guy walk away because he's being a weir= d asshole.=C2=A0 If you piss them off, they WILL ruin at least one of your= days.=C2=A0 I believe they have the right to detain anyone, for any reason= (or for no reason), for up to 24 hours.=C2=A0 Sitting in jail for 24 hours= sucks, I'm sure, but at least you'd be out of their goddamn way while they= brought in those sniffer dogs you demanded...=C2=A0 :P

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: HJAnslinger on December 11, 2012, 11:= 35 pm

Quo= te from: tor12345 on December 11, 2012, 10:26 am
HJ,

What advice can you give to resell= ers here on SR. People who buy product on SR to resell that same product he= re on the road.

It seems, given what you've said so far, the main= weakness is having the product shipped to you and if you're getting large= quantities there is the potential for large issues. What precautions can= be taken?

I think what typically happens is the reseller would setu= p a virtual office to have the mail delivered to that is either in his name= , another persons name, or the name of a company setup for this purpose.
Do any of these options provide more or less protection than the othe= r options providing said person is still picking up the delivery at some po= int?

Would having additional names or fictional people listed on the= virtual office paperwork provide any protection since the reseller could= potentially claim this other person ordered it?

What would proper= proceedure be? Does wirtting "return to sender" on the package and not ope= ning it for a few days provide any protection at all?

I tried to out= line all the options I know of. If you know of others or have any insightfu= l information on this topic I'm sure a number of poeple would find it usefu= l.

Thanks.

The police are going to do their homework= before they make a controlled delivery.=C2=A0 They are going to find out= who lives in the house, who is the name on the package etc.=C2=A0 The prob= lem with using a fake name is that if you sign for the package, they are go= ing to wonder why you would sign for a package belonging to someone who doe= sn't exist.=C2=A0 It is certainly better to have more layers between you an= d the package, but if they are fake people, chances are they are going to= find that out.=C2=A0 If you are buying large quantities, they are going to= invest a lot more time in investigating you.=C2=A0 They will set up survei= llance and find out everything they can about the address where the package= is delivered to.=C2=A0 If they see you or someone else pick up the package= , you can bet they will stop that person and arrest them.=C2=A0 If you are= going to use a fake name, under no circumstances should you sign for the= package.=C2=A0 If they try to get you to sign for the package, tell them= you don't know who that is and they have the wrong address.

In my= experience, the more simple the story is, the better.=C2=A0 Once you start= adding layers, that gives them more things to look at.=C2=A0 If there are= fake names, they will likely figure that out.=C2=A0 If there are real peop= le, they will try to get them to turn on you.=C2=A0 My advice would be to= have a clean house when you get a package.=C2=A0 Have the package sent in= your name and sign for the package if it becomes a controlled delivery.=C2= =A0 Do not open the package and if/when they come busting down your door,= claim you have no idea what is in the package or who sent it.=C2=A0 They= will continue to ask you questions.=C2=A0 At that point, tell them you are= done answering questions and you want a lawyer.=C2=A0 That will provide th= e most protection in my opinion, but it is still not foolproof.=C2=A0 If yo= u have been receiving large shipments, particularly if it is coming from th= e same zip code, they might have other evidence against you.=C2=A0 In my ju= risdiction, we never had a large scale shipping operation, but I could see= them letting some packages go through if they knew you were receiving pack= ages on a regular basis.=C2=A0 They could let you have some packages that= they knew had drugs in them.=C2=A0 They could conduct surveillance and not= ice you mailing packages.=C2=A0 They could intercept those packages and see= that you were mailing the same drugs they just delivered to you.=C2=A0 If= it appeared to be a normal delivery to you, but the police knew there were= drugs in the package, your claim of not knowing what was in the controlled= delivery package might not be believed.

Bottom line is don't give= them any evidence that you were the one that ordered the package.=C2=A0 Do= n't even have your computer anywhere near your house when you get the packa= ge.=C2=A0 You could write return to sender on the package, but I think that= looks suspicious if it is sent in your name and you haven't opened the pac= kage.

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: HJAnslinger on December 11, 2012, 11:= 47 pm

Quo= te from: TFMP on December 11, 2012, 12:22 pm
Hi HJ
Let's say someone from an European count= ry sends a very small amount of a controlled substance like lsd to the US.= The letter gets intercepted and police finds a fingerprint (from the sende= r). Will they run a check on fingerprints in their database? If so, are the= se fingerprints only from people who have already committed a crime or do= they have the possibility to run a check on fingerprints of everyone who= ever has entered the country?
Many thanks.

If the polic= e ever find a fingerprint, there is no doubt they will run it through the= national database.=C2=A0 Most of the fingerprints are from people who have= been arrested in the past, but I think they also have some fingerprints of= people who have or do work for the government.=C2=A0 I don't believe they= have fingerprints from everyone who entered the country, but I don't know= that for sure.=C2=A0 By the time I get a case, the police have already run= any fingerprint evidence, so I'm not sure what all is in their database.= =C2=A0 Most people don't understand how rare it is to find a useable finger= print.=C2=A0 Shows like CSI make it sound like you can find fingerprints ev= erywhere.=C2=A0 That is simply not the case.=C2=A0 Of course, you should ta= ke precautions, but the chances of finding a fingerprint are rare.=C2=A0 Le= ss than 1% of all the cases I handled involved fingerprints.=C2=A0 In fact,= I can't think of more than a few cases I handled in 13 years that had usea= ble fingerprints and none of them were drug cases.

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: HJAnslinger on December 11, 2012, 11:= 52 pm

Quo= te from: sweetbro on December 11, 2012, 09:35 pm
if the law came to ser4ch your house what wou= ld they think if you said things like:

"i dont use drugs, search the= place if you like"
"dont waste my time, bring sniffer dogs in to do the= search, why arent you bringing sniffer dogs into search the place?"
"wh= yy are you wasting my time? why diodnt you search this part of teh house,= why didnt you use sniffer dogs"
"i dont use drugs, drug test me, dont= waste my time. i want to be drug tested"
"i want the search to be recor= ded on video and my statements taken right now, take me to the police stati= on - why are you being so slow and incompentant"?

and in=C2=A0 the= formal statement keep mentioning why they didnt drug test you, why the did= nt use a drug dog, why the carried out such a long search and incompetent= search and why it took so long to be able to give a formal statement and= interview

then keep going back to the law office and complainin= g about their incompetent search and say your rights were not furfilled tha= t you wanted to be drug tested and you demanded they come back to your hous= e and search it again this time with sniffer dogs, then make formal complai= nts to the boss of the police about their incopenat junior officers and dem= and they come back and do their job properly again

i know they= wouldnt like you but would they assume you are innocent instead of "no com= ment, no comment"?

assuming this search is over a drug import of 10= grams of coke or something

I don't know if you've ever dealt= with the police, but they are the ones who control the situation, not you.= =C2=A0 If you start telling them how to do their investigation, you will pr= obably not like the consequences.=C2=A0 If they don't do their job, let you= r lawyer show that in court.=C2=A0 There is no reason to talk to the police.

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: tor12345 on December 12, 2012, 12:55= am

Quo= te from: HJAnslinger on December 11, 2012, 11:35 pm
Quote from: tor12345 on December 11, 2012, 10:26= am
HJ,

Wha= t advice can you give to resellers here on SR. People who buy product on SR= to resell that same product here on the road.

It seems, given what= you've said so far, the main weakness is having the product shipped to you= and if you're getting large quantities there is the potential for large is= sues. What precautions can be taken?

I think what typically happens= is the reseller would setup a virtual office to have the mail delivered to= that is either in his name, another persons name, or the name of a company= setup for this purpose.

Do any of these options provide more or le= ss protection than the other options providing said person is still picking= up the delivery at some point?

Would having additional names or fic= tional people listed on the virtual office paperwork provide any protection= since the reseller could potentially claim this other person ordered it?
What would proper proceedure be? Does wirtting "return to sender" on= the package and not opening it for a few days provide any protection at al= l?

I tried to outline all the options I know of. If you know of othe= rs or have any insightful information on this topic I'm sure a number of po= eple would find it useful.

Thanks.

The police are goin= g to do their homework before they make a controlled delivery.=C2=A0 They= are going to find out who lives in the house, who is the name on the packa= ge etc.=C2=A0 The problem with using a fake name is that if you sign for th= e package, they are going to wonder why you would sign for a package belong= ing to someone who doesn't exist.=C2=A0 It is certainly better to have more= layers between you and the package, but if they are fake people, chances= are they are going to find that out.=C2=A0 If you are buying large quantit= ies, they are going to invest a lot more time in investigating you.=C2=A0= They will set up surveillance and find out everything they can about the= address where the package is delivered to.=C2=A0 If they see you or someon= e else pick up the package, you can bet they will stop that person and arre= st them.=C2=A0 If you are going to use a fake name, under no circumstances= should you sign for the package.=C2=A0 If they try to get you to sign for= the package, tell them you don't know who that is and they have the wrong= address.

In my experience, the more simple the story is, the better= .=C2=A0 Once you start adding layers, that gives them more things to look= at.=C2=A0 If there are fake names, they will likely figure that out.=C2=A0= If there are real people, they will try to get them to turn on you.=C2=A0= My advice would be to have a clean house when you get a package.=C2=A0 Hav= e the package sent in your name and sign for the package if it becomes a co= ntrolled delivery.=C2=A0 Do not open the package and if/when they come bust= ing down your door, claim you have no idea what is in the package or who se= nt it.=C2=A0 They will continue to ask you questions.=C2=A0 At that point,= tell them you are done answering questions and you want a lawyer.=C2=A0 Th= at will provide the most protection in my opinion, but it is still not fool= proof.=C2=A0 If you have been receiving large shipments, particularly if it= is coming from the same zip code, they might have other evidence against= you.=C2=A0 In my jurisdiction, we never had a large scale shipping operati= on, but I could see them letting some packages go through if they knew you= were receiving packages on a regular basis.=C2=A0 They could let you have= some packages that they knew had drugs in them.=C2=A0 They could conduct= surveillance and notice you mailing packages.=C2=A0 They could intercept= those packages and see that you were mailing the same drugs they just deli= vered to you.=C2=A0 If it appeared to be a normal delivery to you, but the= police knew there were drugs in the package, your claim of not knowing wha= t was in the controlled delivery package might not be believed.

Bott= om line is don't give them any evidence that you were the one that ordered= the package.=C2=A0 Don't even have your computer anywhere near your house= when you get the package.=C2=A0 You could write return to sender on the pa= ckage, but I think that looks suspicious if it is sent in your name and you= haven't opened the package.

When shipping to a virtual offic= e you will not be there to receive the package. The employee of the VO will= sign for it if a signature is required, then it will be placed in your box= to be picked up when you want to. You could let the package sit for a day= or more before even picking it up. This also means there is no house. It= could also mean there is no name on the package because it's quite easy to= use a fake business anme. At this point I guess LE would ask the employees= at the VO who does the address belong to, stake out the virtual office, st= ake out your home as well after they get that information.

So, when= someone goes to a VO to pick up a package that has been delivered to a fak= e business name, it's likely that's when they will be arrested by LE?

I am shocked you advise to sign for a package at all but exp if= you think it's a controlled delivery...

Quote from you: "Have the= package sent in your name and sign for the package if it becomes a control= led delivery." wtf??? Is this a typo? If I order a package that does not re= quire a sig and someone is trying to get me to sign for it you advocate sig= ning for the package?

I am also surprised you advocate not= writing "return to sender" on it because it "looks suspicious". Are you sa= ying it's possible LE uses that against you in a court of law? How is that= possible? They say to the judge or jury "look, this guy wrote return to se= nder on a package that was clearly addressed to him... isn't that weird jud= ge?" Really? I had no idea something like that could be used against you.= My thought was at best it does nothing but certainly there is no harm in= writing it. Will you please reconfirm that the FAQ and conventional wisdom= here on SR is incorrect?

Quote from you: "The problem with= using a fake name is that if you sign for the package, they are going to= wonder why you would sign for a package belonging to someone who doesn't= exist. "

What if it is in the name of a business and more than one= person has access to the businesses box? Please take for granted that the= other person will not say anything and likely does not exist when providin= g your answer.

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: TFMP on December 12, 2012, 09:34 am

Quo= te from: HJAnslinger on December 11, 2012, 11:47 pm
Quote from: TFMP on December 11, 2012, 12:22 pm
Hi HJ
Let's say= someone from an European country sends a very small amount of a controlled= substance like lsd to the US. The letter gets intercepted and police finds= a fingerprint (from the sender). Will they run a check on fingerprints in= their database? If so, are these fingerprints only from people who have al= ready committed a crime or do they have the possibility to run a check on= fingerprints of everyone who ever has entered the country?
Many thanks.=
<= /div>

If the police ever find a fingerprint, there is no doubt the= y will run it through the national database.=C2=A0 Most of the fingerprints= are from people who have been arrested in the past, but I think they also= have some fingerprints of people who have or do work for the government.= =C2=A0 I don't believe they have fingerprints from everyone who entered the= country, but I don't know that for sure.=C2=A0 By the time I get a case,= the police have already run any fingerprint evidence, so I'm not sure what= all is in their database.=C2=A0 Most people don't understand how rare it= is to find a useable fingerprint.=C2=A0 Shows like CSI make it sound like= you can find fingerprints everywhere.=C2=A0 That is simply not the case.= =C2=A0 Of course, you should take precautions, but the chances of finding= a fingerprint are rare.=C2=A0 Less than 1% of all the cases I handled invo= lved fingerprints.=C2=A0 In fact, I can't think of more than a few cases I= handled in 13 years that had useable fingerprints and none of them were dr= ug cases.

Many thanks and Kudos to you for doing the right th= ing.

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: BenCousins on December 12, 2012, 12:3= 8 pm

HJAnslinger if your really sorry than join LEAP

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: HJAnslinger on December 12, 2012, 05:= 46 pm

Quo= te from: tor12345 on December 12, 2012, 12:55 am
Quote from: HJAnslinger on December 11, 2012, 11:35= pm
Quote from: tor12345= on December 11, 2012, 10:26 am
HJ,

What advice can you give to resellers here on SR.= People who buy product on SR to resell that same product here on the road.=

It seems, given what you've said so far, the main weakness is havi= ng the product shipped to you and if you're getting large quantities there= is the potential for large issues. What precautions can be taken?

I= think what typically happens is the reseller would setup a virtual office= to have the mail delivered to that is either in his name, another persons= name, or the name of a company setup for this purpose.

Do any of= these options provide more or less protection than the other options provi= ding said person is still picking up the delivery at some point?

Wou= ld having additional names or fictional people listed on the virtual office= paperwork provide any protection since the reseller could potentially clai= m this other person ordered it?

What would proper proceedure be? Doe= s wirtting "return to sender" on the package and not opening it for a few= days provide any protection at all?

I tried to outline all the opti= ons I know of. If you know of others or have any insightful information on= this topic I'm sure a number of poeple would find it useful.

Thanks= .
=

The police are going to do their homework before they make= a controlled delivery.=C2=A0 They are going to find out who lives in the= house, who is the name on the package etc.=C2=A0 The problem with using a= fake name is that if you sign for the package, they are going to wonder wh= y you would sign for a package belonging to someone who doesn't exist.=C2= =A0 It is certainly better to have more layers between you and the package,= but if they are fake people, chances are they are going to find that out.= =C2=A0 If you are buying large quantities, they are going to invest a lot= more time in investigating you.=C2=A0 They will set up surveillance and fi= nd out everything they can about the address where the package is delivered= to.=C2=A0 If they see you or someone else pick up the package, you can bet= they will stop that person and arrest them.=C2=A0 If you are going to use= a fake name, under no circumstances should you sign for the package.=C2=A0= If they try to get you to sign for the package, tell them you don't know= who that is and they have the wrong address.

In my experience, the= more simple the story is, the better.=C2=A0 Once you start adding layers,= that gives them more things to look at.=C2=A0 If there are fake names, the= y will likely figure that out.=C2=A0 If there are real people, they will tr= y to get them to turn on you.=C2=A0 My advice would be to have a clean hous= e when you get a package.=C2=A0 Have the package sent in your name and sign= for the package if it becomes a controlled delivery.=C2=A0 Do not open the= package and if/when they come busting down your door, claim you have no id= ea what is in the package or who sent it.=C2=A0 They will continue to ask= you questions.=C2=A0 At that point, tell them you are done answering quest= ions and you want a lawyer.=C2=A0 That will provide the most protection in= my opinion, but it is still not foolproof.=C2=A0 If you have been receivin= g large shipments, particularly if it is coming from the same zip code, the= y might have other evidence against you.=C2=A0 In my jurisdiction, we never= had a large scale shipping operation, but I could see them letting some pa= ckages go through if they knew you were receiving packages on a regular bas= is.=C2=A0 They could let you have some packages that they knew had drugs in= them.=C2=A0 They could conduct surveillance and notice you mailing package= s.=C2=A0 They could intercept those packages and see that you were mailing= the same drugs they just delivered to you.=C2=A0 If it appeared to be a no= rmal delivery to you, but the police knew there were drugs in the package,= your claim of not knowing what was in the controlled delivery package migh= t not be believed.

Bottom line is don't give them any evidence that= you were the one that ordered the package.=C2=A0 Don't even have your comp= uter anywhere near your house when you get the package.=C2=A0 You could wri= te return to sender on the package, but I think that looks suspicious if it= is sent in your name and you haven't opened the package.
<= div class=3D"quotefooter">

Whe= n shipping to a virtual office you will not be there to receive the package= . The employee of the VO will sign for it if a signature is required, then= it will be placed in your box to be picked up when you want to. You could= let the package sit for a day or more before even picking it up. This also= means there is no house. It could also mean there is no name on the packag= e because it's quite easy to use a fake business anme. At this point I gues= s LE would ask the employees at the VO who does the address belong to, stak= e out the virtual office, stake out your home as well after they get that= information.

So, when someone goes to a VO to pick up a package tha= t has been delivered to a fake business name, it's likely that's when they= will be arrested by LE?

I am shocked you advise to sign for= a package at all but exp if you think it's a controlled delivery...
Quote from you: "Have the package sent in your name and sign for the packa= ge if it becomes a controlled delivery." wtf??? Is this a typo? If I order= a package that does not require a sig and someone is trying to get me to= sign for it you advocate signing for the package?

I am also= surprised you advocate not writing "return to sender" on it because it "lo= oks suspicious". Are you saying it's possible LE uses that against you in= a court of law? How is that possible? They say to the judge or jury "look,= this guy wrote return to sender on a package that was clearly addressed to= him... isn't that weird judge?" Really? I had no idea something like that= could be used against you. My thought was at best it does nothing but cert= ainly there is no harm in writing it. Will you please reconfirm that the FA= Q and conventional wisdom here on SR is incorrect?

Quote fro= m you: "The problem with using a fake name is that if you sign for the pack= age, they are going to wonder why you would sign for a package belonging to= someone who doesn't exist. "

What if it is in the name of a busines= s and more than one person has access to the businesses box? Please take fo= r granted that the other person will not say anything and likely does not= exist when providing your answer.

How do you set up the VO?= =C2=A0 Are you going to use a fake name?=C2=A0 It's my understanding that= you need to give ID at most places like the UPS store.=C2=A0 Law enforceme= nt would find out who the VO belongs to and they will investigate that pers= on.=C2=A0 They could also stake out the place or get video from when you pi= ck up the package.=C2=A0 They will be able to find out it is you that is ge= tting the package.=C2=A0 If it's a fake business or name, that does not loo= k good in court.

When you go to pick up the package, you could be ar= rested.=C2=A0 Most likely, they would follow you and find out where you tak= e the package.=C2=A0 They would then get a search warrant.

You could= refuse to sign for a package, but if it's addressed to you and you refuse= to sign it, it looks suspicious.=C2=A0 Most people would sign for a packag= e if it is addressed to them or someone in the house.=C2=A0 Not signing mig= ht stop them from searching your house that day, but it is not going to sto= p their investigation.=C2=A0 If you don't intend to have anymore drugs ship= ped or have them in your house after that day, then by all means don't sign= for it.=C2=A0 If you refuse to sign for it, that will raise their suspicio= ns and they will likely investigate further.

Yes, if you right retur= n to sender on an unopened package that is addressed to you, that will look= strange to a judge or jury.=C2=A0 What good reason would you have for doin= g that?=C2=A0 If you do have a good reason, how will you get that into evid= ence?=C2=A0 Are you going to testify to the good reason?=C2=A0 That's not= a good idea.=C2=A0 Obviously, this is my opinion and I can see why some pe= ople disagree, but I think it is better to just let it sit there and tell= the police you have no idea who sent it and you don't know what it is.=C2= =A0 At that point, say nothing else.

If you have a package sent to= a business and there is more than one person with access to the business= box and that other person isn't going to say anything, then yes that can= help.=C2=A0 However, if you are talking about using a fake business, they= will find out that it is a fake business.=C2=A0 I understand in your scena= rio the other person won't talk, but that is a big risk.=C2=A0 Most drug ca= ses are solved because someone talks.=C2=A0 Again, if you have a fake perso= n who doesn't exist that has access to the box, they will figure this out.<= br>
As I said earlier, the best stories are the simplest stories.=C2=A0= When you start involving fake people and businesses, that will be used aga= inst you.=C2=A0 A jury is going to expect an explanation as to why you are= signing for a package for someone who doesn't exist or they are going to= want to know why you have a fake business.

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: 420SLINGER on December 13, 2012, 01:0= 6 am

what if it's not a fake business but a LLC company from a bank that the= US has no control over (Over sea's) totally untraceable

and you an= d others are employer's of this company that ship's multiple items legal an= d illegal.

we don't deal with anyone in our state all illegal order'= s are out of state.

as employes can they be held accountable for wha= t's inside the packages even though they real do have no idea whats in the= packages.

The items are in sealed undetectable air tight packaging= again both=C2=A0 legal and illegal items.

Payment comes from many= places and people=C2=A0 through a tor e-commerce's web site we will take= Credit cards, Moneypaks etc. This money's will be deposited in to a=C2=A0= us bank account opened buy the LLC company buy a lesion for said company= This person does not exits fake id and fake face features and hair done bu= y a professionally hair and makeup artist. this would be a 1 time deal just= to set up the account.

This fake ID person well add to the US bank= account a purchasing manager that is hired in the same fashion as any othe= r company.

Of course the manager is a trusted man that's in on the= game.
The fake ID person will be a "made" us citizen but will be from= same country that LLC is from.

The money's will then be transferred= to the over sea's bank account then you can take the money back out"at you= r leisure"with bank atm card at any ATM here in usa.

our shippin= g policy that we make our customers fallow and yes we would=C2=A0 make them= buy the over sea's LLC company.

only 2 packages a week per address= never sign anything never sent in real name a fake name that we have subsc= ription to as a joke gay mag's and other stuff fake bills from penny a cd= type places so the address has past mail to that name.

Package is= picked up at a VO type place a box but not a po box there is no signing 24= /7 access so u can hide your face at night when getting the package for cam= eras only.

VO is rented and operated in same fashion with a differen= t Over sea's=C2=A0 LLC company.

tell me how this could be hack or wh= ere there mite be hole that could be plugged.

OF COURSE NONE OF= THIS IS REAL IT IS JUST SOMETHING I HAVE BEEN WORKING ON

=C2=A0ALL= OF THIS THE OVER SEA'S BANK EVERYTHING IS TOTALLY DO-ABLE

=

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: BenCousins on December 13, 2012, 03:4= 8 am

Quo= te from: 420SLINGER on December 13, 2012, 01:06 am
what if it's not a fake business but a LLC= company from a bank that the US has no control over (Over sea's) totally= untraceable

and you and others are employer's of this company that= ship's multiple items legal and illegal.

we don't deal with anyone= in our state all illegal order's are out of state.

as employes can= they be held accountable for what's inside the packages even though they= real do have no idea whats in the packages.

The items are in sealed= undetectable air tight packaging again both=C2=A0 legal and illegal items.=

Payment comes from many places and people=C2=A0 through a tor e-com= merce's web site we will take Credit cards, Moneypaks etc. This money's wil= l be deposited in to a=C2=A0 us bank account opened buy the LLC company buy= a lesion for said company This person does not exits fake id and fake face= features and hair done buy a professionally hair and makeup artist. this= would be a 1 time deal just to set up the account.

This fake ID per= son well add to the US bank account a purchasing manager that is hired in= the same fashion as any other company.

Of course the manager is a= trusted man that's in on the game.
The fake ID person will be a "made"= us citizen but will be from same country that LLC is from.

The mone= y's will then be transferred to the over sea's bank account then you can ta= ke the money back out"at your leisure"with bank atm card at any ATM here in= usa.

our shipping policy that we make our customers fallow and= yes we would=C2=A0 make them buy the over sea's LLC company.

only= 2 packages a week per address never sign anything never sent in real name= a fake name that we have subscription to as a joke gay mag's and other stu= ff fake bills from penny a cd type places so the address has past mail to= that name.

Package is picked up at a VO type place a box but not a= po box there is no signing 24/7 access so u can hide your face at night wh= en getting the package for cameras only.

VO is rented and operated= in same fashion with a different Over sea's=C2=A0 LLC company.

tell= me how this could be hack or where there mite be hole that could be plugge= d.

OF COURSE NONE OF THIS IS REAL IT IS JUST SOMETHING I HAVE BE= EN WORKING ON

=C2=A0ALL OF THIS THE OVER SEA'S BANK EVERYTHING IS TO= TALLY DO-ABLE

well though out plan however you ahve alot of= links, and remmeber your only as strong as your weakest link. Too have so= many people involved and not crack is miraculous. This doesnt even happen= amongst the hardened mexican cartel members who have the fear of death to= themselves and whole family hanging over their head.

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: Flotzam on December 13, 2012, 04:02= am

OP, thank you for taking the time to answer questions and offer advice.= =C2=A0 This whole experiment in unregulated commerce is still pretty new,= and the risk is not 100% clear, so the perspective of insiders who know th= e game is invaluable.=C2=A0 A few people like yourself have stopped by, and= eventually get driven off by a barrage of inane questions and/or rude comm= ents.=C2=A0

I understand not everyone working in law enforcement is= an evil anti-drug zealot; there's good laws and bad laws, and good cops an= d assholes just like every other group.=C2=A0 However, nobody in that busin= ess gets to choose which laws they like to enforce. Blame the politicians.= (I do have a problem with the DEA and some of their their dirty pool tacti= cs: abuse of forfeiture laws, inflating charges, and constant reliance on= snitches who will say anything to stay out of jail, etc., but I guess that= 's how the game is played)=C2=A0

I just have a few questions of my= own, which reading this thread again I notice you have partly answered alr= eady, so feel free to focus on anything interesting:

Would intercept= ing a package containing small amounts of scheduled drugs that are addresse= d to the occupant of a residence be enough evidence to charge someone if th= e occupant refused to answer questions and the sender was unknown?

= Let's consider the same scenario, but a larger quantity of Schedule I is in= tercepted, the DEA gets involved, and a search warrant is obtained.=C2=A0= Upon executing the search, the package is found unopened. No other contrab= and is found, but a computer is seized; however, the hard drive is encrypte= d.=C2=A0 Could the occupant be compelled to reveal the passphrase by a judg= e in these circumstances, or could the accused plead the fifth? Would this= be enough evidence to charge/indite in your opinion? How hard would it be= to obtain a conviction under these circumstances? (I noticed you raised th= e possibility of long term surveillance for large amounts, that's a more co= mplex scenario I guess.)

Just speculating, I know the US government= has been studying SR for some time, what do you think might be their next= move, assuming they don't defeat the cryptography side of things?=C2=A0 A= sting operation on buyers to scare and set an example maybe, like prostitu= tion stings?=C2=A0 Like you said, they usually care more about the dealers,= but these appear to be the harder target, like you said.=C2=A0 Money trail= maybe?=C2=A0 I fully expect some legislative attempt to regulate cryptocur= rency will occur eventually...

Finally just for fun, is that HBO sho= w The Wire an accurate portrayal of the drug war during that time period (e= arly 2000s) ?=C2=A0 I just love that series, I think it is one of the few= shows that attempts to show both sides.

Also, thanks to those who= ask good questions, this is a really valuable and interesting thread.

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: BenCousins on December 13, 2012, 04:1= 7 am

thats another question HJAnslinger. how often did you see case where no= body had talked and what was the likelyhood of prosecuting a case like this= ? of course i understand other strong evidence could completely void utter= silence however you did mention the majority of the time your cases were= based on somebody talking so i was wondering did anyone you prosecute ever= get off because they/everyone kept their mouth shut? also how high was you= r conviction rate as a prosecutor? I understand if you dont wanna give exac= t numbers but is it 50/50 or something like 90/10 in the prosecutions favou= r?=20

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: tor12345 on December 13, 2012, 07:16= am

Nicely done FLotzam. Looking forward to the response.

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: citizen erased on December 13, 2012,= 08:28 am

Quo= te from: HJAnslinger on December 11, 2012, 11:35 pm
In my experience, the more simple the stor= y is, the better.=C2=A0 Once you start adding layers, that gives them more= things to look at.=C2=A0 If there are fake names, they will likely figure= that out.=C2=A0 If there are real people, they will try to get them to tur= n on you.=C2=A0 My advice would be to have a clean house when you get a pac= kage.=C2=A0 Have the package sent in your name and sign for the package if= it becomes a controlled delivery.

Just on this if you going= to set up a full scale operation (and it even wouldn't hurt for anyone) bu= t I don't see any harm in regularly (maybe once a fortnight) buying stuff= internationally off ebay, or anywhere online, for 10-15 bucks and having= a semi regular delivery of overseas legal goods to your house that cost to= o much.

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: modziw on December 13, 2012, 08:47 am=

Quo= te from: HJAnslinger on December 08, 2012, 04:42 am
One piece of advice I can give everyone is= to never NEVER talk to the cops if you get busted.=C2=A0 They will act lik= e they are your friend and they will tell you it will be better if you talk= .=C2=A0 Sometimes you can get a better deal if you talk, but don't think fo= r an instant that you have to talk right away.=C2=A0 You can always ask for= a lawyer.=C2=A0 If you do have good info, then the cops can wait.=C2=A0 If= people didn't talk, we would have solved a lot less cases.

T= his quote is going on my profile and my signature.

Thanks Mr. former= douche prosecutor.

Modzi

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: BenCousins on December 13, 2012, 09:3= 7 am

Quo= te from: citizen erased on December 13, 2012, 08:28 am
Quote from: HJAnslinger on December 11, 2012= , 11:35 pm
In my= experience, the more simple the story is, the better.=C2=A0 Once you start= adding layers, that gives them more things to look at.=C2=A0 If there are= fake names, they will likely figure that out.=C2=A0 If there are real peop= le, they will try to get them to turn on you.=C2=A0 My advice would be to= have a clean house when you get a package.=C2=A0 Have the package sent in= your name and sign for the package if it becomes a controlled delivery.

Just on this if you going to set up a full scale operation (an= d it even wouldn't hurt for anyone) but I don't see any harm in regularly= (maybe once a fortnight) buying stuff internationally off ebay, or anywher= e online, for 10-15 bucks and having a semi regular delivery of overseas le= gal goods to your house that cost too much.

you would wanna= use a fresh ebay account using tor and anonymous creditcards if you did do= that

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: citizen erased on December 13, 2012,= 10:47 am

Quo= te from: BenCousins on December 13, 2012, 09:37 am
Quote from: citizen erased on December 13, 2012,= 08:28 am
Quote from: HJA= nslinger on December 11, 2012, 11:35 pm
In my experience, the more simple the story is, the be= tter.=C2=A0 Once you start adding layers, that gives them more things to lo= ok at.=C2=A0 If there are fake names, they will likely figure that out.=C2= =A0 If there are real people, they will try to get them to turn on you.=C2= =A0 My advice would be to have a clean house when you get a package.=C2=A0= Have the package sent in your name and sign for the package if it becomes= a controlled delivery.

Just on this if you going to set up= a full scale operation (and it even wouldn't hurt for anyone) but I don't= see any harm in regularly (maybe once a fortnight) buying stuff internatio= nally off ebay, or anywhere online, for 10-15 bucks and having a semi regul= ar delivery of overseas legal goods to your house that cost too much.
<= /div>
you would wanna use a fresh ebay account using tor and anonymous= creditcards if you did do that
=

i dunno dude, the whole point= of it is to show that you get legimate legal stuff sent to your house so= it's not unusual for a parcel from the EU to be sitting on your desk in yo= ur name....

but then again, nothing beats the method of not saying= a word and just let the cops do their work. At most all you should ever be= saying, and purely just to relieve a bit of tension from yourself, is "I= didn't order that package. I don't know who did. Anyone can ordered send= anything in the post" and even that's probably too much.

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: citizen erased on December 13, 2012,= 10:53 am

Just on that last post, what is HJAnslinger's advice in terms of what= is the limit of what you should say to the police... The golden rule is do= n't talk, but getting put in an interview room can be a daunting experience= for all but the toughest of nuts... how long can they keep you if you're= just going to sit there in silence? and if they're really getting into you= r face then it's very tough and at some point most people are going to feel= the need to say something, even if it's just to get some nerves out of the= body.... If you were to crack is just flat out denying any knowledge of wh= at they're talking about the way to go? Obviously admitting anything is fuc= king stupid in the extreme.

But say you pulled up in front of a judg= e and it's blatantly obvious you did something wrong, such as you've had a= controlled delivery and you've signed for a package marked in a fake name.= That looks extremely suss. Is denying any wrong doing in your police inter= view going to look worse or neutral to the judge (it's clearly not going to= look better to him)...?

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: 420SLINGER on December 13, 2012, 04:1= 0 pm

Quo= te from: BenCousins on December 13, 2012, 03:48 am
Quote from: 420SLINGER on December 13, 2012, 01:06= am
what if it's= not a fake business but a LLC company from a bank that the US has no contr= ol over (Over sea's) totally untraceable

and you and others are emp= loyer's of this company that ship's multiple items legal and illegal.
we don't deal with anyone in our state all illegal order's are out of sta= te.

as employes can they be held accountable for what's inside the= packages even though they real do have no idea whats in the packages.
<= br>The items are in sealed undetectable air tight packaging again both=C2= =A0 legal and illegal items.

Payment comes from many places and peop= le=C2=A0 through a tor e-commerce's web site we will take Credit cards, Mon= eypaks etc. This money's will be deposited in to a=C2=A0 us bank account op= ened buy the LLC company buy a lesion for said company This person does not= exits fake id and fake face features and hair done buy a professionally ha= ir and makeup artist. this would be a 1 time deal just to set up the accoun= t.

This fake ID person well add to the US bank account a purchasing= manager that is hired in the same fashion as any other company.

Of= course the manager is a trusted man that's in on the game.
The fake ID= person will be a "made" us citizen but will be from same country that LLC= is from.

The money's will then be transferred to the over sea's ban= k account then you can take the money back out"at your leisure"with bank at= m card at any ATM here in usa.

our shipping policy that we make= our customers fallow and yes we would=C2=A0 make them buy the over sea's= LLC company.

only 2 packages a week per address never sign anything= never sent in real name a fake name that we have subscription to as a joke= gay mag's and other stuff fake bills from penny a cd type places so the ad= dress has past mail to that name.

Package is picked up at a VO type= place a box but not a po box there is no signing 24/7 access so u can hide= your face at night when getting the package for cameras only.

VO is= rented and operated in same fashion with a different Over sea's=C2=A0 LLC= company.

tell me how this could be hack or where there mite be hole= that could be plugged.

OF COURSE NONE OF THIS IS REAL IT IS JUS= T SOMETHING I HAVE BEEN WORKING ON

=C2=A0ALL OF THIS THE OVER SEA'S= BANK EVERYTHING IS TOTALLY DO-ABLE

well though out plan howe= ver you ahve alot of links, and remmeber your only as strong as your weakes= t link. Too have so many people involved and not crack is miraculous. This= doesnt even happen amongst the hardened mexican cartel members who have th= e fear of death to themselves and whole family hanging over their head.
=

there are only 2 people in this that know what is really goi= ng on everybody else is just an min wage employee that has no clue who is= in really in charge or whats is being mailed.

and 1 of the two will= never step foot in the door of the company where things are being mailed= from he will be the one in the disguise the one that opened the US bank ac= count

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: Flotzam on December 13, 2012, 04:21= pm

I just wanted to add, I would not ask the OP specifically how to do som= ething illegal. That is really asking him to stick his/her neck out, it's= like you can't ask your attorney how to break the law, they could get disb= arred for answering such questions.=C2=A0 Questions about process, tactics,= or legal is fair game, though of course laws vary by location.

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: HJAnslinger on December 14, 2012, 01:= 58 am

Quo= te from: Flotzam on December 13, 2012, 04:02 am
OP, thank you for taking the time to answer= questions and offer advice.=C2=A0 This whole experiment in unregulated com= merce is still pretty new, and the risk is not 100% clear, so the perspecti= ve of insiders who know the game is invaluable.=C2=A0 A few people like you= rself have stopped by, and eventually get driven off by a barrage of inane= questions and/or rude comments.=C2=A0

I understand not everyone wo= rking in law enforcement is an evil anti-drug zealot; there's good laws and= bad laws, and good cops and assholes just like every other group.=C2=A0 Ho= wever, nobody in that business gets to choose which laws they like to enfor= ce. Blame the politicians. (I do have a problem with the DEA and some of th= eir their dirty pool tactics: abuse of forfeiture laws, inflating charges,= and constant reliance on snitches who will say anything to stay out of jai= l, etc., but I guess that's how the game is played)=C2=A0

I just ha= ve a few questions of my own, which reading this thread again I notice you= have partly answered already, so feel free to focus on anything interestin= g:

Would intercepting a package containing small amounts of schedule= d drugs that are addressed to the occupant of a residence be enough evidenc= e to charge someone if the occupant refused to answer questions and the sen= der was unknown?

Let's consider the same scenario, but a larger qua= ntity of Schedule I is intercepted, the DEA gets involved, and a search war= rant is obtained.=C2=A0 Upon executing the search, the package is found uno= pened. No other contraband is found, but a computer is seized; however, the= hard drive is encrypted.=C2=A0 Could the occupant be compelled to reveal= the passphrase by a judge in these circumstances, or could the accused ple= ad the fifth? Would this be enough evidence to charge/indite in your opinio= n? How hard would it be to obtain a conviction under these circumstances?= (I noticed you raised the possibility of long term surveillance for large= amounts, that's a more complex scenario I guess.)

Just speculating,= I know the US government has been studying SR for some time, what do you= think might be their next move, assuming they don't defeat the cryptograph= y side of things?=C2=A0 A sting operation on buyers to scare and set an exa= mple maybe, like prostitution stings?=C2=A0 Like you said, they usually car= e more about the dealers, but these appear to be the harder target, like yo= u said.=C2=A0 Money trail maybe?=C2=A0 I fully expect some legislative atte= mpt to regulate cryptocurrency will occur eventually...

Finally just= for fun, is that HBO show The Wire an accurate portrayal of the drug war= during that time period (early 2000s) ?=C2=A0 I just love that series, I= think it is one of the few shows that attempts to show both sides.

= Also, thanks to those who ask good questions, this is a really valuable and= interesting thread.

I don't think intercepting a package wi= th a small amount of drugs addressed to the occupant of the residence is en= ough by itself by itself.=C2=A0 You would need more evidence.=C2=A0 If you= didn't, it would be way too easy to set someone up by mailing them illegal= drugs.

Very interesting question on your second scenario.=C2=A0 I= don't think the law is settled on that question.=C2=A0 I saw an appellate= case recently that was going to deal with a similar issue, but I never saw= what they decided.=C2=A0 I'm guessing the answer will vary from jurisdicti= on to jurisdiction until the US Supreme Court gets a case with that issue.= =C2=A0 If they could force you to give your password, they might be able to= get a conviction depending on what they could find on your computer.=C2=A0= I am definitely not a computer expert, so I don't know what they could fin= d on there.

Unless the DEA can figure out a way to shut down SR, I= think they will try to make an example out of some buyers.=C2=A0 If they= start busting a bunch of buyers and getting publicity, it might scare away= a lot of potential customers.=C2=A0 I could see them setting up reverse bu= ys where they are actually the ones selling the drugs through SR and bustin= g the people when they make the delivery.

I never watched The Wire.= =C2=A0 I don't watch shows that deal with the law because they are almost= always inaccurate.=C2=A0 I know some people I worked with that watched it= and they said it was the most realistic crime show they had seen dealing= with the "drug war" (not sure that makes it accurate, but it is better tha= n most).

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: BenCousins on December 14, 2012, 02:0= 1 am

The problem the DEA has is making publicised busts without just adverti= sing SR to more people who wouldnt have heard about it otherwise

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: HJAnslinger on December 14, 2012, 02:= 06 am

Quo= te from: BenCousins on December 13, 2012, 04:17 am
thats another question HJAnslinger. how oft= en did you see case where nobody had talked and what was the likelyhood of= prosecuting a case like this? of course i understand other strong evidence= could completely void utter silence however you did mention the majority= of the time your cases were based on somebody talking so i was wondering= did anyone you prosecute ever get off because they/everyone kept their mou= th shut? also how high was your conviction rate as a prosecutor? I understa= nd if you dont wanna give exact numbers but is it 50/50 or something like= 90/10 in the prosecutions favour?

If everyone kept their mou= th shut, there's a good chance the case wouldn't even get referred to our= office for prosecution.=C2=A0 The police don't send every case over for pr= osecution.=C2=A0 If we had a case where nobody talked, we would only file= it with real good evidence.=C2=A0 In that case, we usually got a convictio= n.=C2=A0

We never kept track of our "conviction rate."=C2=A0 Those= numbers are pretty easy to manipulate depending on how you define a convic= tion.=C2=A0 Some offices will plead down a serious case to a low level misd= emeanor and count that as a conviction.=C2=A0 I have no doubt that well ove= r 90% of the cases I prosecuted ended up with a conviction.=C2=A0 Most of= the times people end up pleading guilty.=C2=A0 You don't have as many tria= ls as they do on tv.

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: HJAnslinger on December 14, 2012, 02:= 17 am

Quo= te from: citizen erased on December 13, 2012, 10:53 am
Just on that last post, what is HJAnsli= nger's advice in terms of what is the limit of what you should say to the= police... The golden rule is don't talk, but getting put in an interview= room can be a daunting experience for all but the toughest of nuts... how= long can they keep you if you're just going to sit there in silence? and= if they're really getting into your face then it's very tough and at some= point most people are going to feel the need to say something, even if it'= s just to get some nerves out of the body.... If you were to crack is just= flat out denying any knowledge of what they're talking about the way to go= ? Obviously admitting anything is fucking stupid in the extreme.

But= say you pulled up in front of a judge and it's blatantly obvious you did= something wrong, such as you've had a controlled delivery and you've signe= d for a package marked in a fake name. That looks extremely suss. Is denyin= g any wrong doing in your police interview going to look worse or neutral= to the judge (it's clearly not going to look better to him)...?
=
The easiest and quickest way to end an interrogation at the police stat= ion is to tell them that you want a lawyer.=C2=A0 If you are in custody and= you tell them you want a lawyer, they have to stop asking you questions.= =C2=A0 The key is you have to be in custody for this to apply.=C2=A0 The po= lice don't have to read you your rights if you are not in custody.=C2=A0 Yo= u need to be absolutely clear that you want a lawyer.=C2=A0 Don't say "do= you think I need a lawyer" or anything like that.=C2=A0 Tell them you do= not want to talk AND you want a lawyer.=C2=A0 If you do that and they keep= asking you questions, anything you say will be suppressed by the court.=C2= =A0 A judge can't hold that against you and in my experience, they don't.

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: HJAnslinger on December 14, 2012, 02:= 21 am

Quo= te from: BenCousins on December 14, 2012, 02:01 am
The problem the DEA has is making publicise= d busts without just advertising SR to more people who wouldnt have heard= about it otherwise

That's a great point.=C2=A0 I'm sure th= at is an issue the DEA is considering.=C2=A0 They will have to decide at wh= at point the benefits outweigh that risk.

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: HJAnslinger on December 14, 2012, 02:= 33 am

Quo= te from: 420SLINGER on December 13, 2012, 04:10 pm
Quote from: BenCousins on December 13, 2012, 03:48= am
Quote from: 420SLINGE= R on December 13, 2012, 01:06 am
what if it's not a fake business but a LLC company from a ban= k that the US has no control over (Over sea's) totally untraceable

= and you and others are employer's of this company that ship's multiple item= s legal and illegal.

we don't deal with anyone in our state all ille= gal order's are out of state.

as employes can they be held accountab= le for what's inside the packages even though they real do have no idea wha= ts in the packages.

The items are in sealed undetectable air tight= packaging again both=C2=A0 legal and illegal items.

Payment comes= from many places and people=C2=A0 through a tor e-commerce's web site we= will take Credit cards, Moneypaks etc. This money's will be deposited in= to a=C2=A0 us bank account opened buy the LLC company buy a lesion for sai= d company This person does not exits fake id and fake face features and hai= r done buy a professionally hair and makeup artist. this would be a 1 time= deal just to set up the account.

This fake ID person well add to th= e US bank account a purchasing manager that is hired in the same fashion as= any other company.

Of course the manager is a trusted man that's in= on the game.
The fake ID person will be a "made" us citizen but will be= from same country that LLC is from.

The money's will then be transf= erred to the over sea's bank account then you can take the money back out"a= t your leisure"with bank atm card at any ATM here in usa.

our sh= ipping policy that we make our customers fallow and yes we would=C2=A0 make= them buy the over sea's LLC company.

only 2 packages a week per add= ress never sign anything never sent in real name a fake name that we have= subscription to as a joke gay mag's and other stuff fake bills from penny= a cd type places so the address has past mail to that name.

Package= is picked up at a VO type place a box but not a po box there is no signing= 24/7 access so u can hide your face at night when getting the package for= cameras only.

VO is rented and operated in same fashion with a diff= erent Over sea's=C2=A0 LLC company.

tell me how this could be hack= or where there mite be hole that could be plugged.

OF COURSE NO= NE OF THIS IS REAL IT IS JUST SOMETHING I HAVE BEEN WORKING ON

=C2= =A0ALL OF THIS THE OVER SEA'S BANK EVERYTHING IS TOTALLY DO-ABLE
=
well though out plan however you ahve alot of links, and remmeber your= only as strong as your weakest link. Too have so many people involved and= not crack is miraculous. This doesnt even happen amongst the hardened mexi= can cartel members who have the fear of death to themselves and whole famil= y hanging over their head.

there are only 2 people in th= is that know what is really going on everybody else is just an min wage emp= loyee that has no clue who is in really in charge or whats is being mailed.=

and 1 of the two will never step foot in the door of the company wh= ere things are being mailed from he will be the one in the disguise the one= that opened the US bank account

My brain is hurting just try= ing to follow all of this.=C2=A0 I agree that you have too many people invo= lved.=C2=A0 Even though you say you only have 2 people in the know, it soun= ds like you plan on having a lot of employees.=C2=A0 They could possibly fi= gure out what is going on.=C2=A0 Way too complicated in my opinion.=C2=A0= Anytime there is more than one person involved, there is a chance someone= will talk.=C2=A0 The only person you can be sure won't talk is yourself.= =C2=A0 You should always assume that another person will talk and protect= yourself as much as possible.

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: slimcharles on December 14, 2012, 06:= 54 pm

Hi HJAnslinger,

Thanks for taking the time to answer our questio= ns here. I have a couple about jurisdiction and interception process.
If USPS in one state intercepts a SR package heading to another state, an= d the drug found is marijuana (personal amount weight; less than oz), what= state's LE agency would be involved in deciding whether to pursue this mat= ter?=C2=A0 =C2=A0Would the authorities from the state in which the package= was intercepted contact the receiving state's authorities to let them deci= de whether they will pursue?=C2=A0 Or will this be up to the discretion of= the federal authorities?=C2=A0 I mean since it's a federal crime to use th= e postal service to move drugs, would the feds be involved in deciding what= to do and would be less inclined to pursue a case with just personal amoun= t weight?

Secondly, do you know how long is the process, once drugs= have been detected by USPS, to get a warrant and to actually inspect the= package?=C2=A0 If I receive my package in 3-5 days (which is expected deli= very time coast to coast), is it nearly impossible that USPS and the author= ities had the time to get a warrant, inspect and perform a controlled deliv= ery?=C2=A0 Assuming, of course, that I wasn't previously on their radar and= the package/I was a new occurrence to them.

Thanks, again.

E= DIT:

I have a third question concerning civil forfeiture laws.=C2=A0= I know the application of this varies from state to state but how likely= would it be for authorities to seize your home if you're receiving marijua= na in personal amounts?=C2=A0 Would that make it more worthwhile for federa= l prosecutors to pursue a case?=C2=A0 Or even for local prosecutors. too?

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: divinechemicals on December 15, 2012,= 06:46 am

It's really awesome that you're doing this dude. I'm always happy to se= e recognize their wrongs and turn over a new leaf.

1) Let's say poli= ce bust down my door and say they have intercepted a package carrying drugs= and addressed to me. Let's say the confiscate my laptop and see that I hav= e Tor, not to mention a history of visiting the URL for the Silk Road. Can= they require me to provide a username and password? If they can't, would= this evidence alone be enough to convict me? I doubt it but I'd rather be= sure. This is why I keep my house drug-free, the police will find nothing= here.

2) I'm curious if you happen to know how many drug dealers we= re caught due to a financial mistake rather than a drug-dealing related mis= take. For example, was anyone prosecuted because the IRS noticed they were= making income that shouldn't exist? How much income would one have to make= from drug dealing before the government took notice? Like if I were unempl= oyed except for drug dealing, and also I rent an apartment with a few frien= ds, would anyone come knocking eventually? I don't know if you'll know this= , but figured I should ask.

Cheers.

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: tango on December 15, 2012, 12:15 pm<= /strong>

at any point are you ment to tell the lawyer the truth?

so that= they can help get the case dropped.
or do you still maintain the innoce= nce to the lawyer also

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: Donkeydong on December 28, 2012, 05:3= 5 am

Thanks for the information provided here! Hopefully you will come back= after the Holidays to discuss more topics.

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: ddfc66 on January 01, 2013, 04:51 am<= /strong>

Have you seen any cases involving encrypted drives? Have any advice on= that?

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: DrugChargeDefender on January 01, 201= 3, 07:26 pm

HJAnslinger,

Careful buddy... I am pretty sure I know you.=C2=A0= Before you switched to the good side and tired of that BOP, we may have me= t.=C2=A0 Drug charges are all I do.=20

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: Camel on January 01, 2013, 08:19 pm

My brother is a lawyer.=C2=A0 He says if they find a package with littl= e amounts, they will toss it and maybe send you a letter saying WE FOUND CO= NTRABAND.=C2=A0 Big orders they have to do a Controlled Delivery(I'm living= in a 3rd world country were a faggot owns the contrie.=C2=A0 We got the be= t laws here,hear of amendments.=C2=A0 IF the seller ask for signature(I ema= il them first ask them why should I sign.=C2=A0 In most cases they cant get= around that.=C2=A0 OK if I order from somebody here no signature required,= all od sudden I'm asked to sign, just say I did not order that. They might= look at you weird or something but like I said THIS THE US not any country= .=C2=A0 Also were are they going to link anything to you.=C2=A0 BITCOINS re= ally cant find that shit out anyway.=C2=A0 Even so I.m using bitcoins to bu= y music, theres use for bitcoins.=C2=A0 Dont be a dumb citizen fall in thes= e BS traps.

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: Camel on January 01, 2013, 08:24 pm

This site is full of dumb and the most smartest people I ever came acro= ss.

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: Camel on January 01, 2013, 08:30 pm

I really hate this MFUCKER next door he never says Hi or nothing.=C2=A0= OK I should order some H and mail it to him.=C2=A0 He doesnt know I did th= at, Like I said LE know all that shit. Will never work unless your caught= with posseign like you get the package, open and drive to your friends hou= se get pulled over etc etc etc.=C2=A0 Thsi is the wave of DRUG Dealen get= used to it, Cant do shit about, LE should just sell to on the side(to be= honest).

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: kingdedede on January 02, 2013, 07:19= am

Thanks for the asking questions man. Given me a lot of insight on these= issues.

Will continue to follow this thread

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: valakki on January 02, 2013, 11:02 pm=

thanks for doing this. i learned a lot!

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: clmbs910 on January 02, 2013, 11:09= pm

Thanks, 'slinger. This has been very helpful for my homework efforts.= Pretty interesting to get your professional perspective on these things.= I appreciate the good questions others have posed, too. I think these issu= es are on a lot of our minds.

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: matosago on January 03, 2013, 04:28= am

Dr. Trabucco being the one busted?=C2=A0 Am I the only one that thinks= the Dr. tidbit might give away a little too much info?=C2=A0 A quick Googl= e search reveals his name and where he was prosecuted.=C2=A0 Wouldn't be to= o difficult to figure out which Bartholomew prosecutor you were if I happen= ed to be one of your ex-peers that you say are not too fond of you.=C2=A0= Unless there have been a whole bunch of doctors indicted for ordering seed= s in the manner you described.

Just a thought.=C2=A0 I would feel a= little bad if you were publicly shamed for offering up nice advice, but ho= pefully I am way off.

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: deddleever on January 03, 2013, 05:20= am

Quo= te from: HJAnslinger on December 08, 2012, 07:48 pm
Quote from: Nuggets on December 08, 2012, 07:32= pm
Hey,

W= hat is average sentence/punishment for a 1st time drug charge and 3 pounds= of weed. I know it varies greatly, but just wondering if you have seen mul= tiple pounds for 1 guy, and it was his 1st drug charge. Thanks
Like you said, it varies greatly.=C2=A0 In my county, if the guy didn't= have a criminal record, he's likely only going to get probation.=C2=A0 It= might even get reduced to a misdemeanor if he doesn't get in trouble while= on probation.=C2=A0 I can't remember any cases where we had pounds and it= was the person's first drug charge.

I did 5 years of court= probation and 14 weekends for ~5lbs w/intent to sell- my first charge.=C2= =A0 I hired a private lawyer=20

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: deddleever on January 03, 2013, 06:21= am

I just wanted to chime in here- I've been forced to deal with LE on a= few seperate occasions... the first one, my home was raided, someone dress= ed in a FEDEX uniform came to my door, asked for me, and then a bunch of LE= jumped out of a FEDEX van and forced their way into the home with weapons= drawn.=C2=A0 I wasn't there... sucked for my room mate.=C2=A0 LE had a war= rant and had been casing the place for some time.=C2=A0 A few things I lear= ned from that experience are:

1. LE need to describe your home in= great detail when asking for a warrant... there will be someone scoping ou= t your place and writing things down like color, where doors are, license= plates of cars parked outside, etc, a good deal of time before the warrant= is ever approved or served.

2. Warrants have expiration dates and= can only be executed during certain hours...=C2=A0 apparently it takes mor= e work to have a warrant approved for execution in the middle of the night= than for execution during normal hours.=C2=A0 I'm pretty sure LE won't exe= cute a search warrant without special evidence in the wee hours of the morn= ing

In the other experiences, I've learned that LE will arrest you= even if they don't have appropriate evidence.=C2=A0 If there was contraban= d in a package delivered to my home and LE knew about it they would find so= me way to arrest me.=C2=A0 If there was a "controlled delivery" being execu= ted on my residence, I highly doubt that the LE would decide that they coul= dn't arrest me because my I wouldn't sign for the package.=C2=A0 It's LE's= job to get you into the back of a car, not to make the charges stick.=C2= =A0 That's the prosecutors job.=C2=A0 =C2=A0

One time I had LE knoc= k on my door because a friend was caught with a DUI leaving my place.=C2=A0= LE asked me to step outside so we could talk, and as soon as I stepped foo= t outside they slapped cuffs on me for being under the influence.=C2=A0 Now= I've learned never to answer the door when LE knocks.. you are not require= d to answer the door for ANYONE, even LE.=C2=A0 If I do answer the door, I= will simply state that everything is OK here, I didn't call LE, they canno= t come in, I will not step outside, thanks, goodbye.

Most possesion= of personal use amounts end up with a defferred entry of judgement, probat= ion, and mandated treatment programs.=C2=A0 Even repeat offenders=C2=A0 =C2= =A0

Maybe the OP can validate some of my statements

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: modziw on January 04, 2013, 03:44 pm<= /strong>

Quo= te from: deddleever on January 03, 2013, 06:21 am
I just wanted to chime in here- I've been fo= rced to deal with LE on a few seperate occasions... the first one, my home= was raided, someone dressed in a FEDEX uniform came to my door, asked for= me, and then a bunch of LE jumped out of a FEDEX van and forced their way= into the home with weapons drawn.=C2=A0 I wasn't there... sucked for my ro= om mate.=C2=A0 LE had a warrant and had been casing the place for some time= .=C2=A0 A few things I learned from that experience are:

1. LE need= to describe your home in great detail when asking for a warrant... there= will be someone scoping out your place and writing things down like color,= where doors are, license plates of cars parked outside, etc, a good deal= of time before the warrant is ever approved or served.

2. Warrants= have expiration dates and can only be executed during certain hours...=C2= =A0 apparently it takes more work to have a warrant approved for execution= in the middle of the night than for execution during normal hours.=C2=A0= I'm pretty sure LE won't execute a search warrant without special evidence= in the wee hours of the morning

In the other experiences, I've lear= ned that LE will arrest you even if they don't have appropriate evidence.= =C2=A0 If there was contraband in a package delivered to my home and LE kne= w about it they would find some way to arrest me.=C2=A0 If there was a "con= trolled delivery" being executed on my residence, I highly doubt that the= LE would decide that they couldn't arrest me because my I wouldn't sign fo= r the package.=C2=A0 It's LE's job to get you into the back of a car, not= to make the charges stick.=C2=A0 That's the prosecutors job.=C2=A0 =C2=A0=

One time I had LE knock on my door because a friend was caught wit= h a DUI leaving my place.=C2=A0 LE asked me to step outside so we could tal= k, and as soon as I stepped foot outside they slapped cuffs on me for being= under the influence.=C2=A0 Now I've learned never to answer the door when= LE knocks.. you are not required to answer the door for ANYONE, even LE.= =C2=A0 If I do answer the door, I will simply state that everything is OK= here, I didn't call LE, they cannot come in, I will not step outside, than= ks, goodbye.

Most possesion of personal use amounts end up with a de= fferred entry of judgement, probation, and mandated treatment programs.=C2= =A0 Even repeat offenders=C2=A0 =C2=A0

Maybe the OP can validate= some of my statements

Wow, very powerful information!
thanks +1 pal,

Modzi

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: technopium on January 06, 2013, 03:25= pm

HJAnslinger-=C2=A0 I want to thank you for coming on to the road and of= fering your assistance.=C2=A0 The 'war on drugs' is indeed a fallacy and ca= n't be won, but is profitable enough (even for law enforcement) that legali= ty is a dream for now.

Questions:=C2=A0

1.=C2=A0 =C2=A0I was= wondering what was the technicality (or were there a few?) you saw most us= ed by the defense to get a case thrown out of court or dismissed?=C2=A0 I.E= . cops not reading rights, not letting client see lawyer before even though= requested, search warrant issue...etc

2.=C2=A0 Lets say that someon= e is caught 'red handed'.=C2=A0 No denying it, the evidence is there.=C2=A0= Of course the type of charges and evidence caught with will vary, but this= is a General question.=C2=A0 Is there something an arrestee or suspect can= do or say that can get the case thrown out or dismissed down the road?=C2= =A0 It would be something not so conspicuous that the prosecutor or police= would pick up on it and correct or fix the issue, or 'plug' the loophole;= but something that a defendant can bring up at a later date that clearly= would get the case dismissed, or a BIG reduction in charges?=C2=A0 Of cour= se witness tampering comes to mind, but I am wondering if there is somethin= g the defendant themselves can do or say, so as to not rely on anyone else.=

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: peeweed on January 06, 2013, 07:21 pm=

Quo= te from: technopium on January 06, 2013, 03:25 pm
HJAnslinger-=C2=A0 I want to thank you for= coming on to the road and offering your assistance.=C2=A0 The 'war on drug= s' is indeed a fallacy and can't be won, but is profitable enough (even for= law enforcement) that legality is a dream for now.

Questions:=C2=A0=

1.=C2=A0 =C2=A0I was wondering what was the technicality (or were= there a few?) you saw most used by the defense to get a case thrown out of= court or dismissed?=C2=A0 I.E. cops not reading rights, not letting client= see lawyer before even though requested, search warrant issue...etc
2.=C2=A0 Lets say that someone is caught 'red handed'.=C2=A0 No denying it= , the evidence is there.=C2=A0 Of course the type of charges and evidence= caught with will vary, but this is a General question.=C2=A0 Is there some= thing an arrestee or suspect can do or say that can get the case thrown out= or dismissed down the road?=C2=A0 It would be something not so conspicuous= that the prosecutor or police would pick up on it and correct or fix the= issue, or 'plug' the loophole; but something that a defendant can bring up= at a later date that clearly would get the case dismissed, or a BIG reduct= ion in charges?=C2=A0 Of course witness tampering comes to mind, but I am= wondering if there is something the defendant themselves can do or say, so= as to not rely on anyone else.
=

He has pretty much given you= all that you can do...=C2=A0 Any lawyer will tell you to know your rights,= use them and be polite, ESPECIALLY when your rights are being abused.=C2= =A0 You can't stop the cops from doing anything, so be polite but firm to= not talk, refuse any searches, even if they search anyways.=C2=A0 The sear= ch will be thrown out in court.

He mentioned in an earlier post that= to refuse to answer questions (shut your pie hole) and ask for a lawyer...= He said that later any info gathered by further questioning was suppressed= .=C2=A0 That is your best "catch".

If you try and trip them up, you= have to also prove it.=C2=A0 Will you have a recording of the conversation= ?=C2=A0 Probably not, then its your word against theirs that you laid the= "trap".=C2=A0 =C2=A0Chances are you will let something slip that will lead= them to something else etc, so shut your trap (reoccuring theme).=C2=A0 Ev= en if questioning gets thrown out, cops/lawyers have legal back doors to ge= t around them sometimes.

He said it was over 50% but in most small= cases admitting guilt/talking (anyone) is the #1 way of getting busted.=C2= =A0 The cops will say they have fingerprints, internet traces, phone taps,= GPS tracking, and Mosses' statement on the tablets to get you to fess up..= .=C2=A0 Most of the time it is a lie...=C2=A0 Shut your trap and spend your= 24-48 hours in jail, wait to get released/lawyer-ed up and then figure out= what to do/say.

If they have you dead to rights, they won't drill= you, cause they have you dead to rights already... get it?

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: newjac on January 06, 2013, 07:53 pm<= /strong>

Quo= te from: modziw on January 04, 2013, 03:44 pm
Quote from: deddleever on January 03, 2013, 06:21 am
I just wanted to chi= me in here- I've been forced to deal with LE on a few seperate occasions...= the first one, my home was raided, someone dressed in a FEDEX uniform came= to my door, asked for me, and then a bunch of LE jumped out of a FEDEX van= and forced their way into the home with weapons drawn.=C2=A0 I wasn't ther= e... sucked for my room mate.=C2=A0 LE had a warrant and had been casing th= e place for some time.=C2=A0 A few things I learned from that experience ar= e:

1. LE need to describe your home in great detail when asking for= a warrant... there will be someone scoping out your place and writing thin= gs down like color, where doors are, license plates of cars parked outside,= etc, a good deal of time before the warrant is ever approved or served.
2. Warrants have expiration dates and can only be executed during cer= tain hours...=C2=A0 apparently it takes more work to have a warrant approve= d for execution in the middle of the night than for execution during normal= hours.=C2=A0 I'm pretty sure LE won't execute a search warrant without spe= cial evidence in the wee hours of the morning

In the other experienc= es, I've learned that LE will arrest you even if they don't have appropriat= e evidence.=C2=A0 If there was contraband in a package delivered to my home= and LE knew about it they would find some way to arrest me.=C2=A0 If there= was a "controlled delivery" being executed on my residence, I highly doubt= that the LE would decide that they couldn't arrest me because my I wouldn'= t sign for the package.=C2=A0 It's LE's job to get you into the back of a= car, not to make the charges stick.=C2=A0 That's the prosecutors job.=C2= =A0 =C2=A0

One time I had LE knock on my door because a friend was= caught with a DUI leaving my place.=C2=A0 LE asked me to step outside so= we could talk, and as soon as I stepped foot outside they slapped cuffs on= me for being under the influence.=C2=A0 Now I've learned never to answer= the door when LE knocks.. you are not required to answer the door for ANYO= NE, even LE.=C2=A0 If I do answer the door, I will simply state that everyt= hing is OK here, I didn't call LE, they cannot come in, I will not step out= side, thanks, goodbye.

Most possesion of personal use amounts end up= with a defferred entry of judgement, probation, and mandated treatment pro= grams.=C2=A0 Even repeat offenders=C2=A0 =C2=A0

Maybe the OP can= validate some of my statements
=

Wow, very powerful informatio= n!

thanks +1 pal,

Modzi

Yep, agree with Modzi,= great stuff!=C2=A0 +1 from me as well for your efforts, thanks deddleever

Title: Re: Former Prosecutor...Ask Away
Post by: 420SLINGER on January 10, 2013, 02:54= am

Quo= te from: HJAnslinger on December 14, 2012, 02:33 am
Quote from: 420SLINGER on December 13, 2012, 04:1= 0 pm
Quote from: BenCousi= ns on December 13, 2012, 03:48 am
Quote from: 420SLINGER on December 13, 2012, 01:06 am
what if it's not a fake busine= ss but a LLC company from a bank that the US has no control over (Over sea'= s) totally untraceable

and you and others are employer's of this co= mpany that ship's multiple items legal and illegal.

we don't deal wi= th anyone in our state all illegal order's are out of state.

as empl= oyes can they be held accountable for what's inside the packages even thoug= h they real do have no idea whats in the packages.

The items are in= sealed undetectable air tight packaging again both=C2=A0 legal and illegal= items.

Payment comes from many places and people=C2=A0 through a to= r e-commerce's web site we will take Credit cards, Moneypaks etc. This mone= y's will be deposited in to a=C2=A0 us bank account opened buy the LLC comp= any buy a lesion for said company This person does not exits fake id and fa= ke face features and hair done buy a professionally hair and makeup artist.= this would be a 1 time deal just to set up the account.

This fake= ID person well add to the US bank account a purchasing manager that is hir= ed in the same fashion as any other company.

Of course the manager= is a trusted man that's in on the game.
The fake ID person will be a "m= ade" us citizen but will be from same country that LLC is from.

The= money's will then be transferred to the over sea's bank account then you= can take the money back out"at your leisure"with bank atm card at any ATM= here in usa.

our shipping policy that we make our customers fal= low and yes we would=C2=A0 make them buy the over sea's LLC company.
only 2 packages a week per address never sign anything never sent in real= name a fake name that we have subscription to as a joke gay mag's and othe= r stuff fake bills from penny a cd type places so the address has past mail= to that name.

Package is picked up at a VO type place a box but not= a po box there is no signing 24/7 access so u can hide your face at night= when getting the package for cameras only.

VO is rented and operate= d in same fashion with a different Over sea's=C2=A0 LLC company.

tel= l me how this could be hack or where there mite be hole that could be plugg= ed.

OF COURSE NONE OF THIS IS REAL IT IS JUST SOMETHING I HAVE= BEEN WORKING ON

=C2=A0ALL OF THIS THE OVER SEA'S BANK EVERYTHING IS= TOTALLY DO-ABLE

well though out plan however you ahve alot= of links, and remmeber your only as strong as your weakest link. Too have= so many people involved and not crack is miraculous. This doesnt even happ= en amongst the hardened mexican cartel members who have the fear of death= to themselves and whole family hanging over their head.

= there are only 2 people in this that know what is really going on everybody= else is just an min wage employee that has no clue who is in really in cha= rge or whats is being mailed.

and 1 of the two will never step foot= in the door of the company where things are being mailed from he will be= the one in the disguise the one that opened the US bank account
=
My brain is hurting just trying to follow all of this.=C2=A0 I agree th= at you have too many people involved.=C2=A0 Even though you say you only ha= ve 2 people in the know, it sounds like you plan on having a lot of employe= es.=C2=A0 They could possibly figure out what is going on.=C2=A0 Way too co= mplicated in my opinion.=C2=A0 Anytime there is more than one person involv= ed, there is a chance someone will talk.=C2=A0 The only person you can be= sure won't talk is yourself.=C2=A0 You should always assume that another= person will talk and protect yourself as much as possible.
No pu= n intended but that is the exact effect I was looking for I want your head= to hurt when you look into my case as a prosecutor.

Anyway you look= at it there will still be two people involved I.e. the person that went in= to the bank and set the account up With a disguise and the district manager= who was hired by the man in disguise
fully legitimately newspaper ad= run Interview whole entire 9 yards.

Now yes the district manager is= a player in this game and Knows exactly what is going on but is a highly= trusted associate for many years and we have developed what we fill would= be a surefire way of not getting convicted we do believe we will go to cou= rt but we also believe that we will win in court.

The way this is st= ructured for him(District manager) to bring The( man in disguise) into the= mix would be worse for his case

that would be an admission of guil= t to associating with the illegal part of the organization.

The dist= rict manager will receive a company check like all other employees he will= even have health insurance benefits etc. etc.

=C2=A0he will never= deal with the product he will never be wihere the product is packaged
= The people that package the product do not know him and he does not know th= em.

Product is packaged off-site And delivered In a fashion to look= like a US Postal Service delivery

Of Course all deliveries will be= made after employees have left or before they arrive

deliveries wi= ll be mixed with legal products along with the illegal products ( product= is medical marijuana)

Like you said in many Of your post to Do not= talk to the police that is what The very expensive On retainer lawyer is= for.

the employees=C2=A0 Will never have a clue what's in the steal= th sealed packages

takes 5 min. just to open one of the packages
You guys Have seen them at the store's hard plastic formed to fit con= tainers that are heat sealed and you need a butcher knife to open them I ca= n buy one of these machines for around $900 the material comes in gigantic= rolls $269 I have no clue how many containers I can make out of one of the= se 3 1/2 foot Circumference by 48 inch long rolls.

The product will= be sealed inside of a container that will be sealed inside of Another=C2= =A0 container that will be sealed inside the Hard plastic self forming cont= ainers.All Very pretty With labels barcodes Etc. etc. very professional loo= king
just like you bought it at Walmart.

You would literally have= to cut it open with a butcher knife then cut the other package open with= same butcher knife then open the package the product is actually in.
this is an impossibility it will never happen.

Almost all mailroom= s have surveillance cameras this one definitely will with big signs saying= you are being watched.

Everything is tied to an overseas company th= at is owned by an overseas individual that does not exist this overseas com= pany uses a overseas bank that is in a country that does not allow US gover= nment access to their banking records....... I put a lot of periods for rea= sons.

Again the person who will actually go into the bank=C2=A0 in= America and open up this LLC company legitimately Then have that bank on= a daily basis Forward all proceeds not needed for daily operations to the= overseas bank account.

The person that opens up the legitimate LLC= company in America does not Exist after setup of banking account this pers= on will Drive across the Mexican border and catch a charter flight with Nam= e used to open up LLC company he will charter that flight back to unnamed= country where overseas bank account is.

He will then undisguise him= self Turn back into regular=C2=A0 American Fly to alternate country=C2=A0= can charter flight Again use fake US name and ID=C2=A0 again I have checke= d this is not Hollywood made Up you can very easily charter a flight from= Overseas banking country=C2=A0 to the other country

The other count= ry You will use to fly home In your real American name and passport. Of cou= rse this would be the starting point of where you flew out of the United St= ates for a two week vacation hotel rooms jet ski rentals etc. etc.

I= did not say this would be cheap

Can purchase professionally made ID= 's along with a professional makeup artist to change characteristics of her= itage in other words they going to make the person look like a south Americ= an. All of this is done in overseas bank country.

All proceeds= from this businesses will go to the Overseas bank account at this point th= e Money investigation would come to A screeching halt.

Even the empl= oyees when questioned Would point the finger to the manager(He knows nothin= g) when managers questioned he would point the finger to the district manag= er at this point the district manager would have already Called his very ex= pensive=C2=A0 lawyer You know the one that's been on retainer.

=C2= =A0negotiated a bank account with a overseas bank (Just to see what would= happen) They will accept my American passport And you do not need a visa= for this country

grant you it is a risk Dealing with overseas banks= but the bank that I'm dealing with has been in business since 1948 and is= worth in the neighborhood of $23 billion I don't think they're going to ru= in their reputation over little old me.

I've investigated this over= and over And I will be honest with you I don't feel hundred percent on any= thing except opening up a overseas bank account this I know it's possible= everything else 70%

=C2=A0what loopholes are there where could the= police department find out any information about where the money ends and= I'm not sure if this is right or not but I would assume that Most drug cas= es evidence consists of a money Trail again I don't know if this is right= or not.

But I would assume hiding who the money Goes to would be a= good start if they can't prove that the employees and the manager did not= receive any of the proceeds from the sale of the illegal drugs this would= be good for them in court if they even went to court.

=C2=A0and as= for the district manager he has an overseas account also all of his Americ= an assets will be through his paycheck for the company which the company wi= ll pay him a standard rate for his job category.

=C2=A0the people re= ceiving the packages are silk road like customers

few major players= But the majority Of our cells are 2 to 3 Ounces a month customers if not= less.

None of this is real gentleman I am just a business minded in= dividual and all this is, off the top of my head I have researched what I'v= e said I've researched but only as a hobby not taken any of it seriously ye= t=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0you notice I did say yet

A= ll of this is a fictitious lie perpetrated by a 12-year-old lying nose blee= ding wimpy little kids who has never taken drugs a day in his life this is= all complete bull shit lies and untruths innuendos and should not be taken= seriously especially by the law enforcement agencies of the world

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Discussion =3D> Shipping =3D> Topic started by:= HJAnslinger on December 08, 2012, 01:17 am