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Discussion =3D> Security =3D> Topic started by:= Holly on May 02, 2012, 07:27 pm

Title: okay now I know Tony got busted...
Post by: Holly on May 02, 2012, 07:27 pm

My IRL SR mate participated only in Tony's 4/20 sale.... got some cocai= ne 3 gs and just got the knock and talk...=C2=A0 EAST USA.=C2=A0 =C2=A0

Title: Re: okay now I know Tony got busted...
Post by: alcapone on May 02, 2012, 07:32 pm

He bought those 3g from Tony ?

Did they have Tony's pack or anyt= hing with them ?

Title: Re: okay now I know Tony got busted...
Post by: venturebros on May 02, 2012, 07:34 pm=

Wow! So there IS more to this story, glad I use a PO box, not linked to= me personally.
I figured there would have been alot of "Love" letters= sent out.
OR maybe the big spenders/shipments would have received the= letters.

Title: Re: okay now I know Tony got busted...
Post by: pbody88 on May 02, 2012, 07:42 pm

I think he broke into some dudes house off SR n raped his wife or some= shit.

Title: Re: okay now I know Tony got busted...
Post by: hatedpatriot on May 02, 2012, 07:44= pm

This is gonna push some people right over the edge and totally ruin the= ir peace. Sucks.

Title: Re: okay now I know Tony got busted...
Post by: Holly on May 02, 2012, 07:46 pm

Yeah they had papers in hand, friend also used a Ups priv box, they got= his home address off the store manager.=C2=A0 The manager says she'll be= watching his mail now.... don't know much else.=C2=A0 All your addresses= are probably getting at least a small look -_______-=C2=A0 hope you guys= are alright. Start cleaning house just in case

Title: Re: okay now I know Tony got busted...
Post by: h4xx on May 02, 2012, 07:47 pm

Still doesn't mean he was busted. Could've done a piss poor packing job= and maybe they found it. Nobody else received anything (i didn't)

Title: Re: okay now I know Tony got busted...
Post by: war on May 02, 2012, 07:52 pm

When did he order?=C2=A0 Almost 100% chance he did a shitty packaging= job imo.=C2=A0

There's no way they have all the addresses compiled= and sent to local police yet or am i way off base with this assumption?
Also as far as cleaning house etc... at what level or ordering are you= ACTUALLY at risk of a raid?

Title: Re: okay now I know Tony got busted...
Post by: hatedpatriot on May 02, 2012, 07:56= pm

Quo= te from: h4xx on May 02, 2012, 07:47 pm
Still doesn't mean he was busted. Could've done a piss= poor packing job and maybe they found it. Nobody else received anything (i= didn't)
This

I'm glad I didn't order from him. I've tried= to keep to small vendors and only fuck with small amounts. Plus I have som= ething I do with my address that would take time for LE to unravel and find= me, still I feel bad for those who did order and especially the big orders= in the thousands, jeezus. Fucking sucks because these are good people most= likely and they have to fear being put in a cage over a substance they cho= ose to ingest. We gotta change this system, it's anti-human and out of cont= rol.

Title: Re: okay now I know Tony got busted...
Post by: dman420 on May 02, 2012, 07:57 pm

fuck if it wasnt holly that posted this i would disregard it but i find= things hollys posted to be credible

Title: Re: okay now I know Tony got busted...
Post by: Holly on May 02, 2012, 08:06 pm

Quo= te from: dman420 on May 02, 2012, 07:57 pm
fuck if it wasnt holly that posted this i would dis= regard it but i find things hollys posted to be credible

I've= been hoping for karma's sake that this would be the last thing that happen= ed, I wish he scammed.=C2=A0 But this means LEO has a huge pile of addresse= s.=C2=A0 =C2=A0Who knows what they're gonna do with it or use it at all.=C2= =A0 My bet is prepare for the worst,=C2=A0 spring cleaning motherfuckers

Title: Re: okay now I know Tony got busted...
Post by: hatedpatriot on May 02, 2012, 08:07= pm

I have no faith in the election process. And what you say about the med= ia and public support being suppressed is absolutely valid and cannot be de= nied by any observant person. The public is being railroaded, have been for= many years, but it's about to come to a head.=C2=A0 In less than a decade= this system will change or the government will be forced to detain and/or= kill a huge number of "insurgents". There comes a time when you have nothi= ng left to loose.

Title: Re: okay now I know Tony got busted...
Post by: raven92 on May 02, 2012, 08:12 pm

It seems like a bit of a leap to assume that he got busted for sure. Bu= t at the same time, he was one of the bigger vendors and had tons of produc= t being moved, it wouldnt suprise me if LE didn't focus in on them/him duri= ng the 420 sale, or even before :(

I gota agree with holly on the if= you ordered now, before, ever time to cleanup and sit tight for awhile.

Title: Re: okay now I know Tony got busted...
Post by: divinechemicals on May 02, 2012, 08:1= 7 pm

Has your friend made any other purchases at all on the site? Even befor= e the 420 sale? It's possible that another package of his was intercepted.= Also, if Tony was busted, we would have heard something by now right? A hu= ge drug dealer is busted and the media doesn't report it at all? Also, TMar= t has been taken down so what's the significance of that?

Title: Re: okay now I know Tony got busted...
Post by: Holly on May 02, 2012, 08:25 pm

Quo= te from: divinechemicals on May 02, 2012, 08:17 pm
Has your friend made any other purchases at= all on the site? Even before the 420 sale? It's possible that another pack= age of his was intercepted. Also, if Tony was busted, we would have heard= something by now right? A huge drug dealer is busted and the media doesn't= report it at all? Also, TMart has been taken down so what's the significan= ce of that?
yes but no international orders in the last 60 days= besides tony.=C2=A0 Tonysbpacks were always fairly disguised to me so thie= vish why im assuming its a bust...=C2=A0 also another member got knocked an= d talked today... idk if he also ordered from tony tho... I asked.

Title: Re: okay now I know Tony got busted...
Post by: Deleuze on May 02, 2012, 08:26 pm

Quo= te from: l1llykins on May 02, 2012, 08:19 pm
The T-Mart might have been an address-collecting= scheme.

Invites to T-Mart were sent out over SR PM's, so if= it was a scheme the LEO also had access to Tony's SR.=C2=A0 This is someth= ing I doubt because I was invited to the T-Mart just a couple days after or= dering and receiving a half-sheet of genuine Acid.=C2=A0 The LEO can't send= real drugs to people through the mail system, and if they had access to th= e T-Mart they must have had access to his SR, and therefore everyone's addr= esses.=C2=A0

I don't believe the LEO sent me this bombass acid just= to get my address for future use.

That being said Holly is scaring= the shit out of me and my jimmies are getting rustled, even though I didn'= t order during the sale and am 2/2 with Tony.

Title: Re: okay now I know Tony got busted...
Post by: Delta11 on May 02, 2012, 08:29 pm

So if you ordered during the 4/20 sale with your address encrypted do= you think LE will still have access to the address? I'm assuming Tony didn= 't send out the majority of the orders after 4/20.=20

Title: Re: okay now I know Tony got busted...
Post by: awesome1126 on May 02, 2012, 08:30 pm=

The fact that there have been other recent orders by this person makes= me think it's not tony76. Did all of the other packs arrive, beit domestic= or international? It's possible he's been watched since an initially disco= vered domestic/international pack, and watched since then.

Title: Re: okay now I know Tony got busted...
Post by: deadfuture on May 02, 2012, 08:33 pm<= /strong>

Just wondering what department did the knock...locals, state, or feds?= =C2=A0 That may help paint a better picture...

Title: Re: okay now I know Tony got busted...
Post by: mikeybourbon on May 02, 2012, 08:44= pm

I ordered before the 420 sale.=C2=A0 Probably around the 12th of April.= =C2=A0 I sent my address encrypted and received product.=C2=A0 Although I= will clean house (in the process of doing so).=C2=A0 Did your friend recei= ve the product or no?=C2=A0 My philosophy is:=C2=A0 if you get the package= in a timley manner and the goods are inside your safe.=C2=A0 Am I wrong or= should I just shut down my own SR "operation"?

Title: Re: okay now I know Tony got busted...
Post by: l1llykins on May 02, 2012, 08:46 pm

Just read on the other thread that the person who received the knock di= d NOT order from Tony76. It could just be that LE is being more watchful of= suspicious packages that were mailed on or around 4/20.=20

Title: Re: okay now I know Tony got busted...
Post by: alcapone on May 02, 2012, 08:49 pm

I dont know about this ...

I think the DEA or whoever would be= tooting their horn pretty loud if they had infiltrated SR like this.
Tony hasnt been around in about a week ... so thats 7 days of news it has= nt come out in.

I am around Tony as well and there has been nothing= in the papers up here about it either.

Catching up buyers of a few= grams here and there doesnt do nearly the damage that announcing they have= taken down the number 1 seller on SR would do. It would destroy all confid= ence in this place.

There must be more to this story, although I hav= e seen other posts by Holly and they are always straight up.

Title: Re: okay now I know Tony got busted...
Post by: Delta11 on May 02, 2012, 08:51 pm

Quo= te from: l1llykins on May 02, 2012, 08:46 pm
Just read on the other thread that the person who= received the knock did NOT order from Tony76. It could just be that LE is= being more watchful of suspicious packages that were mailed on or around= 4/20.
Okay cool I think we're safe then, most likely the person= ordered from Noreiga because he's missing as well. I think if you ordered= from Tony during the 4/20 sale and encrypted your address you're safe beca= use I'm assuming that Tony never even sent any of the products either becau= se he scammed us or got busted.=20

Title: Re: okay now I know Tony got busted...
Post by: captainjojo on May 02, 2012, 08:56 pm=

I was just wondering.=C2=A0 A conservative estimate of the number of pe= ople who ordered from Tony over the week or so before the sale and the few= days after the sale is probably around 70-100.=C2=A0 As far as I know not= one of those people has said they received anything.

Yet, your IRL= buddy, out of all those people, received his 3g's to his drop?=C2=A0 And= LE came calling?

And if the stuff didn't come to his drop, it was= just LE with his address investigating him, where did they get the address= from, and why would they even be bothering him if nothing came?=C2=A0 Some= one gave them the address and they just decided to knock on his door to see= if they could shake the person up?=C2=A0 What would be the point if they= didn't have anything to hold against him/her?=C2=A0 And if they did have= the product, I would think they would have taken him/her downtown, not jus= t talked to them.=C2=A0 It's one thing for something to be delivered to som= eones home mailbox, it is much easier to deny.=C2=A0 Something coming to a= PO box, correctly addressed, tends to show intent.

If Tony did get= popped, then he got popped by his own country's LE.=C2=A0 They would be th= e ones with all the addresses.=C2=A0 That would mean they had to have sent= the address to other LE.=C2=A0 If that was the case we would be hearing fr= om all sorts of people, yet again, out of 70-100 (at least) buyers we haven= 't heard of anyone getting product and we haven't heard of anyone having th= eir doors knocked on.

All these threads with more and more complicat= ed theories amazes me.=C2=A0 If he got popped or sick or simply took a vaca= tion, then we would still expect a percentage of those people who ordered= BEFORE the sale getting their product, yet as far as I can tell from all= the threads and polls, nobody has.=C2=A0 These items would have been in th= e mail and at least some of them would have arrived before he left, however= that was.=C2=A0 LE would not have been able to intercept them in time as= far as I can see, some would have gotten through.

The old saying,= "The simplest answer is usually the correct one", seems to me to be the mo= st plausible.

From every indication Tony was setting everything up= for this a couple of weeks in advance.=C2=A0 He refused to send via expres= s or priority or any type of tracked shipment, so it would take longer befo= re people could say their package wasn't coming.=C2=A0 He asked for FE from= basically everybody, he opened up international. He then told everyone he= was going offline to get caught up, further obscuring things.

The= simplest answer would seem to be he just completed one of the biggest scam= s on SR and is relaxing seaside with a Margarita with 60-100k of everybody'= s money.

I would love to be wrong.=C2=A0 I would love to open my mai= l and find a letter from Tony.=C2=A0 But I'm not holding my breath waiting= for it.

I'm not saying that everything didn't happen exactly as you= r buddy says, but are you sure there couldn't be some other reason they wer= e bothering him/her?=C2=A0 They never ordered anything else from anyone els= e?

Again, this is just my opinion, don't take it personally, I'm jus= t thinking out loud here.

Title: Re: okay now I know Tony got busted...
Post by: Bamann on May 02, 2012, 08:59 pm

If he got busted then why would he have posted that he would be back in= 1-2 days?=C2=A0 I don't see what purpose it would serve law enforcement to= allow him to put up a message like that, also if they were going to harves= t addresses, wouldn't his listings have been left up?=C2=A0 ???

Title: Re: okay now I know Tony got busted...
Post by: Fah-Q on May 02, 2012, 09:28 pm

Hmmm...Interesting. I noticed a couple of other popular Canadian vendor= s take there listings down. This may explain why...

Title: Re: okay now I know Tony got busted...
Post by: CrankedToEleven on May 02, 2012, 09:3= 5 pm

Quo= te from: Holly on May 02, 2012, 07:27 pm
My IRL SR mate participated only in Tony's 4/20 sal= e.... got some cocaine 3 gs and just got the knock and talk...=C2=A0 EAST= USA.

=C2=A0::)

Know (verb):
1) Be aware of throu= gh observation, inquiry, or information.
2) Have knowledge or informatio= n concerning.

Unless you're psychic (in which case you could telepat= hically divine the fate of Tony's 4/20 orders), you do NOT know that Tony= was or was not busted. You may possess reasonable suspicion to think so,= but to announce with absolute certainty that Tony was busted sans proof (e= .g. indictment, arrest warrant, etc.) is reckless. The signal-to-noise rati= o on these boards is already terrible enough to the point of uselessness.= Fanning the fires of paranoia, panic, anxiety, and oh-my-fucking-god-i-bet= ter-cover-my-cornhole-cause-some-dude-had-my-address-and-i-ordered-a-tiny-a= mount-of-dope-and-some-anonymous-dude's-friend's-cousin's-step-son-got-a-kn= ock-so-i-better-buy-a-cabin-with-my-btc-in-Iowa-and-hunker-down-for-a-year-= getting-high-on-cow-shit-and-nutmeg-ness-so-i-don't-get-buttfucked-by-Tony-= in-prison-ness is irritating because a) I'm handicapped by the need to make= sense (which means reliable information backing up such a specious claim= and b) I have to wade through post after post of people pointlessly and pu= blicly freaking out over shit they have zero control over.

If you're= ordering drugs from the Internet, you need to habituate yourself to the po= ssibility that at some point you might encounter LEO. This means adopting= behavior that severely reduces the likelihood that a government agent will= find a reason to cuff your ass. Some of this behavior may make it slightly= inconvenient to freely use your drugs, but I'd rather be inconvenienced by= hiding my stash that takes 5 minutes to reach than be inconvenienced by a= charge of possession or intent to distribute. Dealing with either of those= is definitely more than 5 minutes.

So, until someone has a mug shot= , a crime scene photo with a corpse, copy of an indictment, etc. I'm going= with the simplest explanation: Tony went AWOL. Maybe he pulled a legendary= con. Maybe he stiffed his supplier and got his ass killed. Maybe he discov= ered that having to rapidly scale an illegal trafficking business was more= than he could handle so he said "Fuck it". I'd rather lose $1000 to a con= man than use it to post bail or retain a lawyer. It's also why you shouldn= 't gamble more than you can afford to lose. The odds of scoring here are st= ill better than winning big at a casino.

To summarize, unless your= use of the verb "know" falls into one of the above two categories, don't= fucking use it. And stop fucking moaning about how Tony done broke-ded all= your hearts and wallets. Rolling in the muck is never the best way to get= clean.

Title: Re: okay now I know Tony got busted...
Post by: raven92 on May 02, 2012, 09:37 pm

Quo= te from: Bamann on May 02, 2012, 08:59 pm
If he got busted then why would he have posted that= he would be back in 1-2 days?=C2=A0 I don't see what purpose it would serv= e law enforcement to allow him to put up a message like that, also if they= were going to harvest addresses, wouldn't his listings have been left up?= =C2=A0 ???

He could have posted that himself and been busted= in route to delivery/dropoff. They could have just not wanted to leave a= message 'Hey Drug Users we captured tony', and maybe once they had him it= was just time to call the operation, maybe they werent going after the buy= ers, but a few of them just got nabbed because they got 'lucky'. He could= have just scammed everyone. He could have been hit by a car on the way to= drop off. He could have been shot...

Honestly all of this is just= speculation and we may (probably wont) never have any real idea of what ha= ppend.

Title: Re: okay now I know Tony got busted...
Post by: Deleuze on May 02, 2012, 10:08 pm

Quo= te from: raven92 on May 02, 2012, 09:37 pm

He could have posted that himself and been bust= ed in route to delivery/dropoff. They could have just not wanted to leave= a message 'Hey Drug Users we captured tony', and maybe once they had him= it was just time to call the operation, maybe they werent going after the= buyers, but a few of them just got nabbed because they got 'lucky'. He cou= ld have just scammed everyone. He could have been hit by a car on the way= to drop off. He could have been shot...

Honestly all of this is ju= st speculation and we may (probably wont) never have any real idea of what= happend.

How do you explain T-Mart staying online until just= a couple days ago?

Title: Re: okay now I know Tony got busted...
Post by: zingzong on May 02, 2012, 10:21 pm

Quo= te from: Deleuze on May 02, 2012, 10:08 pm
How do you explain T-Mart staying online until just= a couple days ago?

Servers go up, servers go down, you can= 't explain that!

Title: Re: okay now I know Tony got busted...
Post by: jackthetripper on May 02, 2012, 10:42= pm

Quote
Fanning the fires of paranoia,= panic, anxiety, and oh-my-fucking-god-i-better-cover-my-cornhole-cause-som= e-dude-had-my-address-and-i-ordered-a-tiny-amount-of-dope-and-some-anonymou= s-dude's-friend's-cousin's-step-son-got-a-knock-so-i-better-buy-a-cabin-wit= h-my-btc-in-Iowa-and-hunker-down-for-a-year-getting-high-on-cow-shit-and-nu= tmeg-ness-so-i-don't-get-buttfucked-by-Tony-in-prison-ness is irritating be= cause a) I'm handicapped by the need to make sense (which means reliable in= formation backing up such a specious claim and b) I have to wade through po= st after post of people pointlessly and publicly freaking out over shit the= y have zero control over

xD + 9 million

Okay look.=C2=A0= Here's why I don't think this is plausible.=C2=A0 I ordered a half sheet= from him on 4/18.=C2=A0 He messaged me back 4/18 told me to early final.= =C2=A0 I did 2 hours later.=C2=A0 He said that it would go out as soon as= possible, even threw in the fact that Canada has no mail on Saturdays.=C2= =A0 Here is it 5/2, and I am closer to Tony most likely than I am to some= other people in my own state, international mail notwithstanding.=C2=A0 Hi= s page was up for many days after my order because I kept coming back to ch= eck, thinking goddamn, I didn't know about any 4:20 sale, I could have save= d 90 bucks.=C2=A0 That went on for maybe a week then the 24-48 hours notice= came up.=C2=A0 So he was not mailing things out for several days before hi= s disappearance happened, that is for sure.=C2=A0 It is 15 days later.=C2= =A0 I would not worry about LE even if I was ordering pounds from him becau= se a) that does not constitute a crime; b) that is a pain in the ass to law= enforcement, most cops are not that smart and the white collar boys at fbi= or dea don't bust buyers, only massive scale sellers.=C2=A0 Like tony.=C2= =A0 So couldn't "trade up" by giving up his buyers.=C2=A0 They are not goin= g to bother with PGP and even if tony76 gave his passphrase that would be= pointless of them to bother with it.=C2=A0 They are not going to be able= to get surveillance, a warrant, jack shit off of that.=C2=A0 Only controll= ed buys and intercepts.=C2=A0 If a cop ever does show up, "No sir, I don't= have any information about that.=C2=A0 I'd like you to leave now.=C2=A0 I= would like to speak to a lawyer."=C2=A0 Oh, and in regards to ^, if it was= me and tony in a prison cell I'd be the one doing the cornholing.=C2=A0 Ha= ha eww.=C2=A0 No homo.

Title: Re: okay now I know Tony got busted...
Post by: kingpinirl on May 02, 2012, 10:54 pm<= /strong>

I've never purchased from him so this doesn't effect me, but OP, did th= e product physically get to his address, or did LEO just have his address?= =C2=A0 It could be possible that Tony was in route to deliver and got poppe= d.=C2=A0 Maybe he had a shitload of packages on him?=C2=A0 Maybe they then= used those addresses?=C2=A0 Who knows.=C2=A0 Just a thought.=C2=A0 Persona= lly, from what I've read, I'm assuming he is just MIA w/ peoples hard earne= d cash, and it makes me sick.=C2=A0 Fuck people like that.=20

Title: Re: okay now I know Tony got busted...
Post by: Jimmy245 on May 02, 2012, 10:58 pm

Quo= te from: eeee on May 02, 2012, 07:46 pm
... but I'm not a doped up junkie...
<= div class=3D"quotefooter">

We= weren't even thinking anything like that.=20

Title: Re: okay now I know Tony got busted...
Post by: LainOfTheWired1984 on May 02, 2012,= 11:19 pm

Holly, I'm curious. How much stuff has your friend been ordering in his= career. That would really help spell this out for all of us!

Title: Re: okay now I know Tony got busted...
Post by: phubaiblues on May 02, 2012, 11:26 pm=

Like all theories, leaves too much unexplained.=C2=A0 Many of us ordere= d before the 'contest' and purposefully laid low during it...and Tony chatt= ed a bit, mostly letting me know I didn't need to finalize if I didn't want= to....and then didn't deliver.=C2=A0 =C2=A0He said he shipped, and he didn= 't.=C2=A0 It's a scam.=C2=A0 And until bunches of us get similar happenings= , I don't buy it.=C2=A0 The only thing all of us have in common is that our= order wasn't sent...if me, and say five other people, had this exact same= 'knock knock, who's there? LE' etc. then we can start peeing in our pajama= s.

So this was unrelated.

"Tony!"
"Tony from New York!?""Oh yeah, I know Tony from New York, he's a drug dealer!"
"That's the= guy!"
"NO, Tony from Canada!"
"Tony from Canada?!"
"Yeah, *that*= Tony!"
"I *know* that dude, man!"
"Tony from Canada."
"Yeah, *tha= t* Tony."
"No dude, Tony from Silk Road."
"Tony from Silk Road!?"
= "Yeah, the dude who deals drugs."
"I *know* that dude, man!"

Title: Re: okay now I know Tony got busted...
Post by: lilith2u on May 03, 2012, 12:52 am

This Tony76 and Noriega shit all smells like rotten fucking fish! WTF= with the sales......Duh motherfucker its going to draw attention! Maybe we= haven't=C2=A0 heard anything in the media=C2=A0 because it isn't over? I'm= sick of the scams and paranoia. No more sales please!
And to the Ron Pa= ul folks, He'll never be elected because he actually believes what hes sayi= ng. The powers to be hate Truth....plus he's kinda nuts on social issues:)

Title: Re: okay now I know Tony got busted...
Post by: kmfkewm on May 03, 2012, 01:04 am

Quo= te from: war on May 02, 2012, 07:52 pm
When did he order?=C2=A0 Almost 100% chance he did a sh= itty packaging job imo.=C2=A0

There's no way they have all the addr= esses compiled and sent to local police yet or am i way off base with this= assumption?

Also as far as cleaning house etc... at what level or= ordering are you ACTUALLY at risk of a raid?

You are at risk= of a raid from ordering any amount what-so-ever of anything illegal. You= are very unlikely to be raided for personal use amounts of lowly scheduled= drugs (xanax) or research chemicals or marijuana seeds. Any amounts of any= thing else and you are at risk of a knock and talk. I know of people who ha= d knock and talks over ounces of weed, and were charged. If you order sheet= of acid or ounce of MDMA I wouldn't be surprised if you are raided either.= =20

Title: Re: okay now I know Tony got busted...
Post by: cacoethes on May 03, 2012, 01:52 am

Quo= te from: Holly on May 02, 2012, 07:27 pm
My IRL SR mate participated only in Tony's 4/20 sal= e.... got some cocaine 3 gs and just got the knock and talk...=C2=A0 EAST= USA.

Correlation does not imply causation.

Quote from: eeee= on May 02, 2012, 07:46 pm
I told you idiots a week ago, expect LE to come from Tony's shit.= =C2=A0 No one wants to believe me because it just seems too "out there" but= I'm not a doped up junkie, I know what the fuck is going on.
You're funny, eeee.=C2=A0 You've spouted off every possible scenario you= could think of regarding LE involvement, even directly contradicting your= own theories, yet still stating them as facts.=C2=A0 Again, please contrib= ute something useful or just put a fucking sock in it.=C2=A0 No one wants= to believe you because you have no credibility.

Title: Re: okay now I know Tony got busted...
Post by: Limetless on May 03, 2012, 01:56 am

Tony isn't busted. Someone is logging his BTC transfers on another thre= ad. Pretty clever actually, he's doing a proper shit job of it.=20

Title: Re: okay now I know Tony got busted...
Post by: FUCK SCAMMERS on May 03, 2012, 02:30= am

Yes, he didn't get pinched. Here's the thread LL is speaking of:
http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=3D21429.0

I bet he's= sweatin his ass off!

Title: Re: okay now I know Tony got busted...
Post by: mntmnwva on May 03, 2012, 04:46 am

Quo= te from: Limetless on May 03, 2012, 01:56 am
Tony isn't busted. Someone is logging his BTC tra= nsfers on another thread. Pretty clever actually, he's doing a proper shit= job of it.
Oh snap! Too bad you couldn't trace them to an e-wall= et, snatch em all and share em back to SR (scammed buyers)=C2=A0=20

Title: Re: okay now I know Tony got busted...
Post by: deltasigma on May 03, 2012, 08:36 am<= /strong>

Quo= te from: CrankedToEleven on May 02, 2012, 09:35 pm
Quote from: Holly on May 02, 2012, 07:27 pm
My IRL SR mate participa= ted only in Tony's 4/20 sale.... got some cocaine 3 gs and just got the kno= ck and talk...=C2=A0 EAST USA.
=

=C2=A0::)

Know (verb)= :
1) Be aware of through observation, inquiry, or information.
2) Hav= e knowledge or information concerning.

Unless you're psychic (in whi= ch case you could telepathically divine the fate of Tony's 4/20 orders), yo= u do NOT know that Tony was or was not busted. You may possess reasonable= suspicion to think so, but to announce with absolute certainty that Tony= was busted sans proof (e.g. indictment, arrest warrant, etc.) is reckless.= The signal-to-noise ratio on these boards is already terrible enough to th= e point of uselessness. Fanning the fires of paranoia, panic, anxiety, and= oh-my-fucking-god-i-better-cover-my-cornhole-cause-some-dude-had-my-addres= s-and-i-ordered-a-tiny-amount-of-dope-and-some-anonymous-dude's-friend's-co= usin's-step-son-got-a-knock-so-i-better-buy-a-cabin-with-my-btc-in-Iowa-and= -hunker-down-for-a-year-getting-high-on-cow-shit-and-nutmeg-ness-so-i-don't= -get-buttfucked-by-Tony-in-prison-ness is irritating because a) I'm handica= pped by the need to make sense (which means reliable information backing up= such a specious claim and b) I have to wade through post after post of peo= ple pointlessly and publicly freaking out over shit they have zero control= over.

If you're ordering drugs from the Internet, you need to habit= uate yourself to the possibility that at some point you might encounter LEO= . This means adopting behavior that severely reduces the likelihood that a= government agent will find a reason to cuff your ass. Some of this behavio= r may make it slightly inconvenient to freely use your drugs, but I'd rathe= r be inconvenienced by hiding my stash that takes 5 minutes to reach than= be inconvenienced by a charge of possession or intent to distribute. Deali= ng with either of those is definitely more than 5 minutes.

So, until= someone has a mug shot, a crime scene photo with a corpse, copy of an indi= ctment, etc. I'm going with the simplest explanation: Tony went AWOL. Maybe= he pulled a legendary con. Maybe he stiffed his supplier and got his ass= killed. Maybe he discovered that having to rapidly scale an illegal traffi= cking business was more than he could handle so he said "Fuck it". I'd rath= er lose $1000 to a con man than use it to post bail or retain a lawyer. It'= s also why you shouldn't gamble more than you can afford to lose. The odds= of scoring here are still better than winning big at a casino.

To= summarize, unless your use of the verb "know" falls into one of the above= two categories, don't fucking use it. And stop fucking moaning about how= Tony done broke-ded all your hearts and wallets. Rolling in the muck is ne= ver the best way to get clean.
<= div class=3D"botslice_quote">

Holy shit. I just got an= erection reading that.=20

Title: Re: okay now I know Tony got busted...
Post by: Kappacino on May 03, 2012, 11:25 am

Holly, what the FUCK are you talking about? Seriously??? I mean, WHAT= THE FUCK?

"My friend ordered from Tony and got a knock, therefore= Tony was busted"

I mean, are you fucking serious?

That is= absolutely RETARDED.

What about the simple, and OBVIOUS explanatio= n that THEY JUST FOUND IT IN THE FUCKING MAIL. Huh? What about that?
Yet you go straight to the fucking BOLD claim that you KNOW that Tony got= busted.

I have to question your motives coming out with vapid bulls= hit this fatuous. I don't give a fuck if you're respected here.

You= 're stirring up shit and spreading misinformation because you seem to be to= o dumb to think through some basic logic.

The ONLY thing you can ass= ume from your friend getting a knock is that they found it in the mail.
=
Anything more than that is BULLSHIT and you should retract your comment= or not mind that people start insinuating that you are involved with Tony= (which they will, because you're acting like a fucking idiot)

Title: Re: okay now I know Tony got busted...
Post by: Fah-Q on May 03, 2012, 12:48 pm

Looks like he pulled a Hybridmike. They pulled his sellers account.=20

Title: Re: okay now I know Tony got busted...
Post by: deadfuture on May 03, 2012, 01:16 pm<= /strong>

Quo= te from: FUCK SCAMMERS on May 03, 2012, 02:30 am
Yes, he didn't get pinched. Here's the thread= LL is speaking of:

http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=3D= 21429.0

I bet he's sweatin his ass off!

That link ju= st comes back to this thread.=C2=A0 I believe this is the thread limetless= is talking about.

http://dkn255hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=3D2= 1446.0

Title: Re: okay now I know Tony got busted...
Post by: i3lazd on May 03, 2012, 02:30 pm

fuck

ordered 2 grams of coke off him... he getting followed?=

will I be looked at now?

Title: Re: okay now I know Tony got busted...
Post by: Holly on May 03, 2012, 03:52 pm

Fuck just cause I'm not looking at the forums as often.=C2=A0 =C2=A0Any= way it was done by DHS agents.=C2=A0 I based my ASSUMPTIONS based on my fri= end not having any other incoming orders.=C2=A0 And no he never received hi= s pack but he usually gets Tony's packs 7-8 days after ordering always and= agents came 8 days later.

Title: Re: okay now I know Tony got busted...
Post by: phubaiblues on May 03, 2012, 05:29 pm=

I appreciate *any* info that comes to these forums, so we can make info= rmed decisions.=C2=A0 Based on everything I've read--and my own dual 'no sh= ows' ordered quite some time ago, I believe it was what it appears to be:= a well thought out scam.=C2=A0 He disappeared too neatly, and my own varie= d street experience is that, given the choice between 'He might have got bu= sted' and 'He might have ripped me off'=C2=A0 The rip-off theory wins hands= down.=C2=A0 =C2=A0

There'd be a few other deliveries if Tony'd gott= en cracked, not to mention a few other doors kicked in...hey, but I still= check my mailbox...'just in case' ha ha...

Title: Re: okay now I know Tony got busted...
Post by: Veetano on May 03, 2012, 11:30 pm

Just throwing this out there.

Cops CAN send you illegal drugs th= rough the mail, when working under cover.

Cops that are undercover= are protected from any drug related laws. They can smoke drugs, use drugs,= sell drugs, distribute, and as long as they are undercover, they are prote= cted by the law. And just because they're cops doesn't mean they won't actu= ally sell drugs in a long-term undercover operation

Title: Re: okay now I know Tony got busted...
Post by: Veetano on May 03, 2012, 11:37 pm

What if all of this is staged? What if the person who posted this threa= d was paid a ton of bitcoins to say their RL friend got a knock and talk,= to make it even further appear that Tony got busted? No offense Holly, jus= t throwing out possibilities.

It could all very easily be one big= scam. This single thread, shifts everybodies mind away from "did he even= send anything, will I get my product, have I been scammed" to "oh shit wha= t if he got busted, I hope I don't get busted, etc"

This thread esse= ntially distracts everybody for some extra days, lengthening out the AutoFi= nalize time period. To increase the chances of Tony keeping his money.
=
I mean, it's just a possibility. Nothing against anyone here or the OP.=

If I was going to pull of a MasterMind scam I would not just do it.= I would create smokescreens to make it appear as if another fate had happe= ned to me, or distract people long enough to get the money and book it.

Title: Re: okay now I know Tony got busted...
Post by: alcapone on May 03, 2012, 11:42 pm

Its been established this isnt real/misunderstanding.

Tony is mo= ving BTC around in accounts DaMan is tracking.

Title: Re: okay now I know Tony got busted...
Post by: Holly on May 04, 2012, 12:57 am

Quo= te from: Veetano on May 03, 2012, 11:37 pm
What if all of this is staged? What if the person= who posted this thread was paid a ton of bitcoins to say their RL friend= got a knock and talk, to make it even further appear that Tony got busted?= No offense Holly, just throwing out possibilities.

It could all ve= ry easily be one big scam. This single thread, shifts everybodies mind away= from "did he even send anything, will I get my product, have I been scamme= d" to "oh shit what if he got busted, I hope I don't get busted, etc"
This thread essentially distracts everybody for some extra days, lengthen= ing out the AutoFinalize time period. To increase the chances of Tony keepi= ng his money.

I mean, it's just a possibility. Nothing against anyo= ne here or the OP.

If I was going to pull of a MasterMind scam I wou= ld not just do it. I would create smokescreens to make it appear as if anot= her fate had happened to me, or distract people long enough to get the mone= y and book it.

No, I was also jumping the gun on my guess whe= n it happened.=C2=A0 I've been following DaMan's thread too and I'm convinc= ed he went scammer.=20

Title: Re: okay now I know Tony got busted...
Post by: WTF HOLLY on May 04, 2012, 01:12 am

Quo= te from: Holly on May 04, 2012, 12:57 am
Quote from: Veetano on May 03, 2012, 11:37 pm
What if all of this is staged?= What if the person who posted this thread was paid a ton of bitcoins to sa= y their RL friend got a knock and talk, to make it even further appear that= Tony got busted? No offense Holly, just throwing out possibilities.
It could all very easily be one big scam. This single thread, shifts ever= ybodies mind away from "did he even send anything, will I get my product,= have I been scammed" to "oh shit what if he got busted, I hope I don't get= busted, etc"

This thread essentially distracts everybody for some= extra days, lengthening out the AutoFinalize time period. To increase the= chances of Tony keeping his money.

I mean, it's just a possibility= . Nothing against anyone here or the OP.

If I was going to pull of= a MasterMind scam I would not just do it. I would create smokescreens to= make it appear as if another fate had happened to me, or distract people= long enough to get the money and book it.

No, I was also jum= ping the gun on my guess when it happened.=C2=A0 I've been following DaMan'= s thread too and I'm convinced he went scammer.

Title: Re: okay now I know Tony got busted...
Post by: TBBSecurity on May 04, 2012, 01:41 am=

Being talked to by DHS agents is much more severe than local police or= even the DEA.=C2=A0 They obviously felt it was a matter of national securi= ty that if these drugs would have reached him, there would have been nuclea= r missiles going off all around. Watch out for those cocaine missiles.

Title: Re: okay now I know Tony got busted...
Post by: nonnihilnitoris on May 04, 2012, 08:4= 2 am

Quo= te from: hatedpatriot on May 02, 2012, 08:07 pm
I have no faith in the election process. And= what you say about the media and public support being suppressed is absolu= tely valid and cannot be denied by any observant person. The public is bein= g railroaded, have been for many years, but it's about to come to a head.= =C2=A0 In less than a decade this system will change or the government will= be forced to detain and/or kill a huge number of "insurgents". There comes= a time when you have nothing left to loose.

This is somewhat= off-topic, but I had to commend you for expressing the truth. I'd say the= mass detention is coming in 3-5 years though, certainly less than 7...
=
http://on.rt.com/wwmlqd "Alleged US Army doc: re-education camps and ps= y-op missions aimed at activists "

Title: Re: okay now I know Tony got busted...
Post by: hatedpatriot on May 04, 2012, 09:32= am

I disagree. DHS was probably used because they do not have any jurisdic= tional boundaries. They are essential free to roam the earth and persecute= whom ever they wish.

This is why I cannot believe some people advo= cate involving LE in our disputes here. These guys have way too much power= already.

Title: Re: okay now I know Tony got busted...
Post by: Terminal Viscosity on May 04, 2012,= 02:53 pm

Quo= te from: hatedpatriot on May 04, 2012, 09:32 am
I disagree. DHS was probably used because the= y do not have any jurisdictional boundaries. They are essential free to roa= m the earth and persecute whom ever they wish.

This is why I cannot= believe some people advocate involving LE in our disputes here. These guys= have way too much power already.

DHS is over customs.=20

Title: Re: okay now I know Tony got busted...
Post by: Stormtrooper420 on May 04, 2012, 10:3= 2 pm

I feel like this has been planned the whole time honestly, I feel like= thats why Tony was so good at calling out scammers, maybe he was those sca= mmers making extra money while being the big guy tony and trying to look li= ke the good guy andd calling out scammers to where he could scam even more= in the future. He built up a lot of trust. Ashame he left and got greedy.<= br>
Best Regards,
Stormtrooper

Title: Re: okay now I know Tony got busted...
Post by: phubaiblues on May 05, 2012, 02:58 am=

Quo= te from: Stormtrooper420 on May 04, 2012, 10:32 pm
I feel like this has been planned the whole= time honestly, I feel like thats why Tony was so good at calling out scamm= ers, maybe he was those scammers making extra money while being the big guy= tony and trying to look like the good guy andd calling out scammers to whe= re he could scam even more in the future. He built up a lot of trust. Asham= e he left and got greedy.

Best Regards,
Stormtrooper
Other scammers before him did it similarly: start out shipping good produ= ct, then claim some reverse scammer/s is/are driving them bananas, this is= usually accompanied by requests to wait longer before complaining, and it= ends up giving the vendor a whole lot of sympathetic 'players' in his game= ...they tend to shush buyers who complain, and they tend to rave about the= vendor, and why finalizing early is such a good deal, etc.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 It= doesn't take long to follow Tony's thread, and to see how quickly people= started letting him dictate the terms or our relationship.=C2=A0 He didn't= need to quiet down people who complained: we did it for him...slick.

Title: Re: okay now I know Tony got busted...
Post by: Holly on May 05, 2012, 03:09 am

Quo= te from: phubaiblues on May 05, 2012, 02:58 am
Quote from: Stormtrooper420 on May 04, 2012, 10:32= pm
I feel like th= is has been planned the whole time honestly, I feel like thats why Tony was= so good at calling out scammers, maybe he was those scammers making extra= money while being the big guy tony and trying to look like the good guy an= dd calling out scammers to where he could scam even more in the future. He= built up a lot of trust. Ashame he left and got greedy.

Best Regard= s,
Stormtrooper

Other scammers before him did it similarly= : start out shipping good product, then claim some reverse scammer/s is/are= driving them bananas, this is usually accompanied by requests to wait long= er before complaining, and it ends up giving the vendor a whole lot of symp= athetic 'players' in his game...they tend to shush buyers who complain, and= they tend to rave about the vendor, and why finalizing early is such a goo= d deal, etc.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 It doesn't take long to follow Tony's thread, and= to see how quickly people started letting him dictate the terms or our rel= ationship.=C2=A0 He didn't need to quiet down people who complained: we did= it for him...slick.

Time to prepare for next time....= sucks though cause he could supply real acid.. at a substandard price.=C2= =A0 Was doing the world a favor for a bit.

Title: Re: okay now I know Tony got busted...
Post by: SolidRain on May 05, 2012, 04:17 am

These threads are so fun to read, but its like NJ housewives. LOL
If they got Bin Laden they can get you!

Title: Re: okay now I know Tony got busted...
Post by: phubaiblues on May 05, 2012, 04:24 am=

Quo= te from: Holly on May 05, 2012, 03:09 am
Time to prepare for next time.... sucks though caus= e he could supply real acid.. at a substandard price.=C2=A0 Was doing the= world a favor for a bit.

Yep.=C2=A0 I know it's been hard= on a lot of people.=C2=A0 When someone is good, like Tony was, for that le= ngth of time, it was very difficult for people to face the fact he'd gone= bad.=C2=A0 But all the evidence points that way, so I guess we have to mov= e on.=C2=A0 And like I've said, it's our first year of operation.=C2=A0 We'= re doing fine just to still be in business.=C2=A0 Yeah, a bunch of us lost= money, but there are worse things that could have happened...best wishes,= Holly

Title: Re: okay now I know Tony got busted...
Post by: markwest on May 05, 2012, 05:58 am

fuck man, i was laying low for a while after my last order cos... well= anyway, but what made it easier was that i was broke, but i was pissed abo= ut missing the sale and tony going international. now im fucking glad i 'mi= ssed out'

reading over the scam thread it looks like he got away wit= h 5300 coins. now that is shitloads to me, $25k or so right, and whilst tha= t is a lot of money, for the amount of money tony was making it doesnt seem= like enough to run away with. am i doing my sums wrong?

Title: Re: okay now I know Tony got busted...
Post by: TBBSecurity on May 05, 2012, 06:04 am=

You read wrong, he got away with almost 60 thousand coins from idiots,= and another 1000-9000 straight from DPR directly.=C2=A0 He fucked the road= twice.

Title: Re: okay now I know Tony got busted...
Post by: SolidRain on May 05, 2012, 07:07 am

Where are you guyz getting this info? I know I don't believe anything= here as a matter of fact, Arm chair quarterbacks at best. Not saying you= guys don't have good intel, but how would anyone know?

Reminds of= Highschool bantor. Yeah, he fuked a bunch of people let 's move on. Oh yea= h, Don't FE, think I read that somewhere.

Title: Re: okay now I know Tony got busted...
Post by: Caparino on May 05, 2012, 07:35 am

Quo= te from: SolidRain on May 05, 2012, 04:17 am
These threads are so fun to read, but its like NJ= housewives. LOL

If they got Bin Laden they can get you!
<= br>IF /facepalm

Title: Re: okay now I know Tony got busted...
Post by: Kappacino on May 05, 2012, 07:37 am

Quo= te from: SolidRain on May 05, 2012, 07:07 am
Where are you guyz getting this info? I know I do= n't believe anything here as a matter of fact, Arm chair quarterbacks at be= st. Not saying you guys don't have good intel, but how would anyone know?
Reminds of Highschool bantor. Yeah, he fuked a bunch of people let 's= move on. Oh yeah, Don't FE, think I read that somewhere.
<= div class=3D"quotefooter">

TBB= Security is a troll but there was in fact a thread, I think its called "ton= y76 - yellow flag" where DaMan followed Tonys coins from his private TMART= wallet through the blockchain.

It's estimated he got about $200,000= total with about $25,000 of that being separate from SR.

Title: Re: okay now I know Tony got busted...
Post by: pbody88 on May 05, 2012, 11:24 am

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Title: Re: okay now I know Tony got busted...
Post by: kmfkewm on May 05, 2012, 12:32 pm

Quo= te from: unknownuser2012 on May 04, 2012, 10:21 pm
Quote from: Terminal Viscosity on May 04, 2012, 02= :53 pm
Quote from: hated= patriot on May 04, 2012, 09:32 am
I disagree. DHS was probably used because they do not have= any jurisdictional boundaries. They are essential free to roam the earth= and persecute whom ever they wish.

This is why I cannot believe so= me people advocate involving LE in our disputes here. These guys have way= too much power already.

DHS is over customs.
ok,= I give up--wtf is DHS? Are we talking homeland security? Why would they be= involved??

Customs is part of DHS. Many big vendors who end= up pwnt are pwnt by DHS, enelysion for one example.=20

Title: Re: okay now I know Tony got busted...
Post by: raven92 on May 05, 2012, 05:35 pm

Quo= te from: kmfkewm on May 05, 2012, 12:32 pm
Quote from: unknownuser2012 on May 04, 2012, 10:21 pm<= /div>
Quote from: Terminal Viscosit= y on May 04, 2012, 02:53 pm
Quote from: hatedpatriot on May 04, 2012, 09:32 am
I disagree. DHS was probably used beca= use they do not have any jurisdictional boundaries. They are essential free= to roam the earth and persecute whom ever they wish.

This is why= I cannot believe some people advocate involving LE in our disputes here.= These guys have way too much power already.

DHS is over cust= oms.
ok, I give up--wtf is DHS? Are we talking homeland security?= Why would they be involved??

Customs is part of DHS. Many bi= g vendors who end up pwnt are pwnt by DHS, enelysion for one example.
<= /div>
DHS deals with secret clearences, customs, a lot of things, they= have a very wide grasp, way to large for any one group.

kmfkewm,= are there indictment reports on the whole enelysion thing anywhere? havent= read them, would like to

Title: Re: okay now I know Tony got busted...
Post by: nothing on May 05, 2012, 09:13 pm

I think some are misunderstanding the possible outcomes and scenarios..= ...It really isn't implausible that the government would really sell drugs= to people as they don't care and they own a shit load of them and they wan= t money.......but what "money" would they rather discredit the most and get= rid of?=C2=A0 You have to think of it, this way there has to be some estab= lished something, someone who is legit who can make the drug aside from dis= tribution..........local LE routinely skims money off the top of most drug= markets in the USA..............just sayin.......you really think they bur= n all those drugs? or just show burn them?=C2=A0 if its good enough I am su= re they keep it......=C2=A0=20

Title: Re: okay now I know Tony got busted...
Post by: toker420 on May 06, 2012, 12:11 am

Quo= te from: raven92 on May 05, 2012, 05:35 pm
Quote from: kmfkewm on May 05, 2012, 12:32 pm
Quote from: unknownuser2012 on May 04= , 2012, 10:21 pm
Quote fro= m: Terminal Viscosity on May 04, 2012, 02:53 pm
Quote from: hatedpatriot on May 04, 2012, 09:32 am<= /a>
I disagree. DHS was= probably used because they do not have any jurisdictional boundaries. They= are essential free to roam the earth and persecute whom ever they wish.
This is why I cannot believe some people advocate involving LE in our= disputes here. These guys have way too much power already.

D= HS is over customs.
ok, I give up--wtf is DHS? Are we talking= homeland security? Why would they be involved??

Customs is= part of DHS. Many big vendors who end up pwnt are pwnt by DHS, enelysion= for one example.

DHS deals with secret clearences, customs,= a lot of things, they have a very wide grasp, way to large for any one gro= up.

kmfkewm, are there indictment reports on the whole enelysion th= ing anywhere? havent read them, would like to

Just get a pace= r account bud.=C2=A0 Real easy if you got a credit card, which every fuckin= g one does

Title: Re: okay now I know Tony got busted...
Post by: wretched on May 06, 2012, 06:40 am

Quo= te from: toker420 on May 06, 2012, 12:11 am
Real easy if you got a credit card, which every fu= cking one does

I don't have a credit card, or a bank account= for that matter, can I borrow yours to get a pacer acct?

Title: Re: okay now I know Tony got busted...
Post by: ithasbegun on May 06, 2012, 09:17 am<= /strong>

I remember a major case in the Netherlands, called the IRT case. It was= reviewed by a parliamentary commission because the tactics that were not= heard of before. The police went undercover and infiltraded the drugmarket= . They imported 100.000s of kilo's foreign weed and some 15.000 kilo of coc= aine. At least that's what public. They would offer it here in NL in big qu= antities in an attempt to map part of the bigger players in those markets.=
The outcome of the parliamentary commission was that in the future ope= rations like this should have approval in advance from a judge, that should= not be initialized by police itself.=20

Title: Re: okay now I know Tony got busted...
Post by: randomOVDB#2 on May 06, 2012, 02:48= pm

Quo= te from: toker420 on May 06, 2012, 12:11 am
Just get a pacer account bud.=C2=A0 Real easy if= you got a credit card, which every fucking one does

Case= number ?

Title: Re: okay now I know Tony got busted...
Post by: AJ on May 06, 2012, 03:41 pm

Well, all I know is I ordered almost 2 weeks ago and ain't got shit.=C2= =A0 The guy posted on this forum 2 days ago saying the 420 sale left him hi= gh and dry or some BS.=C2=A0 This kinda throws the "busted" theory out the= window.=C2=A0 All I want is my fucking order.=C2=A0=20

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