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Market =3D> Rumor mill =3D> Topic started by:= Asbjorn on February 01, 2012, 11:10 pm

Title: Collective Acid Database
Post by: Asbjorn on February 01, 2012, 11:10= pm
Hi.

Welcome to CAD.

So I think we should have an up-to-da= te LSD database. I did the beginning, but please see this as an ongoing dis= cussion where we can discuss the current batches around and exchange test= results. It would be ace if we could get lab scans for these guys posted= as well.

Would be good if we could get this pinned :)

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BUDDHAs/CARTOON SHIVAs/BLUE SHIVAs

http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onio= n/upload/5bd066453a2aff5dfc6bcd5a2f7f3a2f.jpg
http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.on= ion/upload/014b549cc8217b96962a73b268bf0ae8.jpg

Dosage: 80-100ug (la= b)
Crystal: Amber

This is one of the 3 main European commercial= blotters. On the backside these Buddhas have a simple ink drawing similar= to the front of the blotter. No fakes known of. No infos on artwork.
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GANESHAs/SHIVAs (Art by Alex Grey)

http://xfq5l5p4g3eyr= ct7.onion/upload/d29e658ebd30354b7bb5a1c31e8c5e89.jpg

Dosage: 80-90= (lab)
Crystal: Amber

Another one of the main commercial blotters= . Backside as soon. The print quality and perforation on these blotters are= reported to have developed negatively. Few hits here and there get called= bunk. No fakes known of.

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HOFFMANs - The Original

= http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/upload/1dca4dcf1d1752201748cf8981d60b93.jpghttp://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/upload/a773bc86fe465f000c3395612353ccdf.jpg=

Dosage: 75-100ug (lab)
Crystasl: Amber

And the third one.= Infos to backside required. Are not to be confused with the 2010 Hoffmans= which were 140ug. No fakes known of. Artwork is a variation on the regular= Hoffman design.

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AVATARs
http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion= /upload/11c831ca981db04dfb48d919ed0910cf.jpg
Backside required.

D= osage: 130-150 (est)
Crystal: Unknown

Have been around since 2011= . Lab test required. A few fakes of these blotters were around, but no majo= r infiltration. Artwork from the movie.

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DALAI LAMAs (Art= by Alex Grey)

http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/upload/67e2e2e417868263= a5f9225730c29059.jpg
http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/upload/8f45e48b51550c= 9381007b364956d293.jpg

Dosage: Been reported from 150ug to 250ug. Pe= rhaps there are a few differently dosed batches around. Urgently need info= on this.
Crystal: Unknown

Mid- to Highrange on the European mark= et. These are not to be confused with the Ganeshas as both get called Alex= Greys sometimes. People love this acid.

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MAYAN CALENDERS<= br>
http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/upload/57633e7319dc008b8574c9ad70eefef= 3.jpg
http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/upload/a8fd39e9f852c7227254a346d226e= 7d8.jpg

Dosage: 250ug (lab)
Crystal: Swiss Bliss

European= high-end blotters. Few batches were claimed to be bunk. Has not been aroun= d as of lately. No infos on artwork. No fakes known of.

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F= AT FREDDYS CATs

http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/upload/f091dae52e31aa7= 8f9056cb501d6ea56.jpg
Backside required.

Dosage: 250ug (lab)
C= rystal: White

Another high-end print. Everybody loves these. No info= s on artwork. No fakes known of.

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DANCING BEARs

htt= p://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/upload/e9ed10989d102442e0ae24e0f2b3f10c.jpg
B= ackside required.

Dosage: 90-120ug (est)

Probably from a Euro= pean source and a tribute to GDF. Is good. No infos on artwork. Few differe= nt versions of this print around, not sure about the quality of those.
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SHIVAs

http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/upload/4168e836db= 8839117406e7fa052e966e.jpg
http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/upload/72de50b6= 2c719b088c5459accc5d1c47.jpg

Dosage: ???
This blotter pops up kno= w and then. European origin. More information required.

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K= RISHNAs

http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/upload/d08e99307736aec8ccc20b6= b3c7dd0eb.jpg

Dosage: 110-130ug
Crystal: Light Grey

Need= more information!

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THE SUNs

http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct= 7.onion/upload/f17c1a61846f341bfdb19fcb62fb0172.jpg
http://xfq5l5p4g3eyr= ct7.onion/upload/8b32c5af7bffedbe2a9472b2d39079ee.jpg

Dosage: 130ug= (lab)
Crystal: ???

Need more information!

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RED= GANESHAs

Pics needed.

Dosage: 30-80ug (est)
Crystal: Unkn= own

Fucked up at production level.

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FLYING KEYs
=
http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=3Dc2890d44d06bafb6c7b4aa19= 4857ccbc.jpg

Dosage: 30-60ug (est)
Cystal: Unknown

Fucked= up at production level.

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Information on the following blo= tter is still required: Pharaos, Oms

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If you know more tha= n this post, do say so :)

PS: How the fuck do I get previews for pic= tures?
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: Ungoliant on February 01, 2012, 11:22= pm
+1 to get this pinned. Much more informative than LSD vendor pinned lis= t and also not full of bias. Would be great to see more lab test. ecstacyda= ta will do personalized lab test(although i'm sure there are others), howev= er ED requires $120 for things not ecstacy PLUS as least 20mg of substance= which will be destroyed after test. This would be somewhere between 250-35= 0 hits at 75ug just to get a result. Im sure there is something more practi= cal.
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: Horizons on February 01, 2012, 11:26= pm
Wow, props for making this. Count another vote for making it a sticky!
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: GammaGoblin on February 01, 2012, 11:= 33 pm
Dalai lamas from swiss bliss? This is a total joke. Dalai lamas had the= shittiest crystal I've ever tried, altough they were very strong (250ug+).= Probably amber, nothing above 80% for sure. Good dalai lamas were availabl= e 2 years ago, but those from 1 year ago were laid from very impure crystal= . Only blotter laid from swiss bliss that I know of was mayan calendar (and= indeed it was the purest L I tried).

Dancing bears are 90-120mcg
Nice topic, +1 for pinning it up.
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: tordemon on February 01, 2012, 11:40= pm
Quote= from: Horizons on February 01, 2012, 11:26 pm
Wow, props for making this. Count another vot= e for making it a sticky!
Yea, this is indeed greatly appreciat= ed. I wish there was an easier way to get more of these lab tested. There's= certainly at least Ehrlich's reagent to verify that some LSD is present,= but that doesn't go nearly as far as a lab test would.
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: Asbjorn on February 01, 2012, 11:49= pm
Quote= from: tordemon on February 01, 2012, 11:40 pm
Quote from: Horizons on February 01, 2012, 11:26 pm
Wow, props for makin= g this. Count another vote for making it a sticky!
Yea, this is= indeed greatly appreciated. I wish there was an easier way to get more of= these lab tested. There's certainly at least Ehrlich's reagent to verify= that some LSD is present, but that doesn't go nearly as far as a lab test= would.

It is not really hard to say which ones have LSD in= them. At least on that all the information should be correct in this threa= d.

Quote from: GammaGoblin on February 01, 2012, 11:33 pm
Dalai lamas from swiss bliss? This is= a total joke. Dalai lamas had the shittiest crystal I've ever tried, altou= gh they were very strong (250ug+). Probably amber, nothing above 80% for su= re. Good dalai lamas were available 2 years ago, but those from 1 year ago= were laid from very impure crystal. Only blotter laid from swiss bliss tha= t I know of was mayan calendar (and indeed it was the purest L I tried).
Dancing bears are 90-120mcg

Nice topic, +1 for pinning it up.

You are right, the Mayan Calenders did get made from Swiss= crystal I got that mixed up. And thanks for the other info, have updated= it.
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: GammaGoblin on February 02, 2012, 12:= 03 am
And this is the correct graphic for dalai lamas: http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct= 7.onion/upload/97e34973c4055ad38dadfde23689d9ab.jpg
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: peaceloveharmony on February 02, 2012= , 12:05 am
lol @ commercial blots > 200ug
No commercial blots will ever have= > 200ug because far too many people freak out at such high doses.
Even real 200ug is far too much for most people.
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: Marceline on February 02, 2012, 12:09= am
I really like this :) Maybe we can get this running on its own .onion= site with an actual database set up so people can browse through it easier= and upload ones they've received locally, etc.
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: Asbjorn on February 02, 2012, 12:11= am
Quote= from: Marceline on February 02, 2012, 12:09 am
I really like this :) Maybe we can get this= running on its own .onion site with an actual database set up so people ca= n browse through it easier and upload ones they've received locally, etc.

There are not really that many different acid prints. This sho= uld be allright for now. Tho of course anybody is entitled to copy informat= ion from here.

Quote from: peaceloveharmony on February 02, 2012, 12:05 am
lol @ commercial blot= s > 200ug
No commercial blots will ever have > 200ug because far= too many people freak out at such high doses.

Even real 200ug is fa= r too much for most people.

There are not commercial tabs lis= ted at 200ug. Mayan Calanders and Fat Freddys Cats are not widely available= .

Quote from: GammaGoblin on February 02, 2012, 12:03 am
And this is the correct graphic for= dalai lamas: http://i52.tinypic.com/2wn46jn.jpg

Thanks :)
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: GammaGoblin on February 02, 2012, 12:= 13 am
Quote= from: peaceloveharmony on February 02, 2012, 12:05 am
lol @ commercial blots > 200ug
No= commercial blots will ever have > 200ug because far too many people fre= ak out at such high doses.

Even real 200ug is far too much for most= people.

Let me guess - you live in USA? Well, Europe has dif= ferent standards ;)

And 1 hit of dalai lamas was definitely too much= for a lot of people.
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: atlas on February 02, 2012, 12:14 am<= /strong>
Quote
Dalai lamas from swiss bliss?= This is a total joke. Dalai lamas had the shittiest crystal I've ever trie= d, altough they were very strong (250ug+). Probably amber, nothing above 80= % for sure. Good dalai lamas were available 2 years ago, but those from 1= year ago were laid from very impure crystal.

I bought some Dalai= Lamas two years ago and it was hand down the best acid I have ever dropped= , gave me the cleanest and most euphoric high I have ever experienced.
T= hen, 2 months ago I bought some from juergen, and let me tell you his batch= was as good, maybe even better than the first one I got. (probably because= he's a "professional" seller who stores acid better than my dealer)

On a side note, I read in your thread that you're laying your own shee= ts.
Why don't you lay us some crazy ass hits on a custom blotter art for= SR?
Something around 200-250 mics.
I'd love to have a full trip on= a single hit.


I'm sure a lot of people, myself included will be= very interested in this :D


And Big PROPS to Asbjorn for this th= read.
No more let's double the mics on my hits vendor bullshit!
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: GammaGoblin on February 02, 2012, 12:= 15 am
Atlas, I will lay 350ug blotters once I get my hands on bigger ammount= of crystal, especially for SR :)

Sorry for offtopic.

And abo= ut dalai lamas - I believe there were different batches available, because= it's impossible that opinions on the quality of trip are so various.
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: momiji on February 02, 2012, 12:21 am=
Thanks for the info! If I get some time I'll take some higher res scree= n shots for you.
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: peaceloveharmony on February 02, 2012= , 12:25 am
Quote= from: Asbjorn on February 02, 2012, 12:11 am
Quote from: peaceloveharmony on February 02, 2012, 12:05= am
lol @ commerci= al blots > 200ug
No commercial blots will ever have > 200ug becaus= e far too many people freak out at such high doses.

Even real 200ug= is far too much for most people.

There are not commercial ta= bs listed at 200ug. Mayan Calanders and Fat Freddys Cats are not widely ava= ilable.
The psy scene is flooded with this prints since many year= s and none of them is >200ug. They are usually sold as 200ug IRL and the= Mayan Calendars i had were much weaker than real 200ug.

Quote
Let me guess - you live in USA? Well, Europe= has different standards ;)

And 1 hit of dalai lamas was definitely= too much for a lot of people.
<= div class=3D"botslice_quote">

I am from Europe and yes 1 hit= of DLs is too much for most people although they dont have >200ug :p.
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: GammaGoblin on February 02, 2012, 12:= 27 am
They did have around 250ug. I have access to crystal and I know how 250= ug feels like. For sure, no estimates.
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: Asbjorn on February 02, 2012, 12:31= am
A few of the Mayan Calender batches were weaker as it says in the post.= The ones I had were definitely 250ug.
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: toker420 on February 02, 2012, 01:18= am
Quote= from: Asbjorn on February 02, 2012, 12:31 am
A few of the Mayan Calender batches were weaker= as it says in the post. The ones I had were definitely 250ug.

Any other 250ug available, that's what the community is truly missing= now.=C2=A0=20
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: momiji on February 02, 2012, 01:21 am=
@toker420 Grab some Fat Freddy's. ;)
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: sd4sd4 on February 02, 2012, 01:23 am=
Awesome :) We should somehow get that tester thread realized soonish (s= everal weeks/few months sounds soonish and realistic to me) and link it up= with this idea. That would be terrific.

Regarding the dalai lamas= same here, one of the best trip of my life. Maybe there are indeed copycat= s out there with lesser quality, who knows, but the one I had was insanely= strong and clean. I'm with peaceloveharmony in that most blotters are gros= sly overestimated (I actually advocated this a lot) but the dalais are inde= ed around 200ug or very close to that.
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: Aliahad on February 02, 2012, 01:26= am
Flying Keys bunk? I got some flying keys, and while they certainly were= not very potent, they weren't bunk. Hell, I think I still have 2 left.
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: watmm on February 02, 2012, 01:34 am<= /strong>
This thread would seem to clash with aakovens claims of 150 for his hof= fmans...unless they're from a large 2010 batch?
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: gogoggins on February 02, 2012, 02:48= am
This is an awesome idea.=C2=A0 +1 to getting it stickied.=C2=A0 Thanks= for getting this started, Asb.
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: Marceline on February 02, 2012, 03:28= am
Quote= from: watmm on February 02, 2012, 01:34 am
This thread would seem to clash with aakovens clai= ms of 150 for his hoffmans...unless they're from a large 2010 batch?
A lot of LSD sellers overestimate the actual dosage to make them sell= better, especially in European markets.
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: GammaGoblin on February 02, 2012, 07:= 02 am
Quote= from: Marceline on February 02, 2012, 03:28 am
Quote from: watmm on February 02, 2012, 01:34 am
This thread would seem= to clash with aakovens claims of 150 for his hoffmans...unless they're fro= m a large 2010 batch?
A lot of LSD sellers overestimate the actua= l dosage to make them sell better, especially in European markets.

They not neccessarily lie on purpose, most of them just get the secon= d-hand info about the potency.
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: no_pain on February 02, 2012, 09:00= am
Quote= from: GammaGoblin on February 02, 2012, 07:02 am
Quote from: Marceline on February 02, 2012, 03:28 am<= /a>
Quote from: watmm on Februa= ry 02, 2012, 01:34 am
This thread would seem to clash with aakovens claims of 150 for his hoff= mans...unless they're from a large 2010 batch?
A lot of LSD sel= lers overestimate the actual dosage to make them sell better, especially in= European markets.

They not neccessarily lie on purpose, most= of them just get the second-hand info about the potency.
<= div class=3D"quotefooter">

I= dont know the real dosage but I tested a half of these and got a nice trip= . Definitely more then expected.
I mean I know the dosage is 25-30=C2= =B5g to start feeling anything from LSD. This was def. more, I got a nice= trip from only a half and so I would estimate the hoffmans are 120+. They= have no taste (the usual metallic but no bitter taste) and the timeframe= fits to LSD.
Long story short I like them better than the shivas or kri= shnas and think they are stronger.

Will test a higher dosage this we= .

take care
no_pain
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: Asbjorn on February 02, 2012, 10:05= am
Quote= from: no_pain on February 02, 2012, 09:00 am
Quote from: GammaGoblin on February 02, 2012, 07:02 am
Quote from: Marceline on Febr= uary 02, 2012, 03:28 am
Quot= e from: watmm on February 02, 2012, 01:34 am
This thread would seem to clash with aakovens cl= aims of 150 for his hoffmans...unless they're from a large 2010 batch?
<= /blockquote>
=
A lot of LSD sellers overestimate the actual dosage to make them sell= better, especially in European markets.

They not neccessaril= y lie on purpose, most of them just get the second-hand info about the pote= ncy.

I dont know the real dosage but I tested a half of these= and got a nice trip. Definitely more then expected.
I mean I know the= dosage is 25-30=C2=B5g to start feeling anything from LSD. This was def.= more, I got a nice trip from only a half and so I would estimate the hoffm= ans are 120+. They have no taste (the usual metallic but no bitter taste)= and the timeframe fits to LSD.
Long story short I like them better than= the shivas or krishnas and think they are stronger.

Will test a hig= her dosage this we.

take care
no_pain

I doubt the= Hoffmans he has are the ones from last year, they really were not around= long. And they did not have The Original on it, but a year if I am not mis= taken. These are good hits, but they have been lab tested and are not 120+u= g.

Intentionally or not, aakhoven is publishing wrong information ab= out the strength of his blotters.
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: no_pain on February 02, 2012, 10:25= am
Quote= from: Asbjorn on February 02, 2012, 10:05 am
Quote from: no_pain on February 02, 2012, 09:00 am
Quote from: GammaGoblin on Februa= ry 02, 2012, 07:02 am
Quote= from: Marceline on February 02, 2012, 03:28 am
Quote from: watmm on February 02, 2012, 01:34 am<= /div>
This thread would seem= to clash with aakovens claims of 150 for his hoffmans...unless they're fro= m a large 2010 batch?
A lot of LSD sellers overestimate the actua= l dosage to make them sell better, especially in European markets.

They not neccessarily lie on purpose, most of them just get the secon= d-hand info about the potency.
<= div class=3D"botslice_quote">

I dont know the real dosage bu= t I tested a half of these and got a nice trip. Definitely more then expect= ed.
I mean I know the dosage is 25-30=C2=B5g to start feeling anything= from LSD. This was def. more, I got a nice trip from only a half and so I= would estimate the hoffmans are 120+. They have no taste (the usual metall= ic but no bitter taste) and the timeframe fits to LSD.
Long story short= I like them better than the shivas or krishnas and think they are stronger= .

Will test a higher dosage this we.

take care
no_pain

I doubt the Hoffmans he has are the ones from last year, they= really were not around long. And they did not have The Original on it, but= a year if I am not mistaken. These are good hits, but they have been lab= tested and are not 120+ug.

Intentionally or not, aakhoven is publis= hing wrong information about the strength of his blotters.
=

Th= is could be, I just dont know and never saw a test sheet or some sort of pa= per with a lab test of any of the trips I took.
the 120=C2=B5g where an= estimate so dont nail me here. it was just a tip from my side. But I know= for sure I tested the shivas, ganeshas, krishnas and the hoffmans. First= of all the feel all the same, just like LSD should feel.
=C2=A0One exce= ption was one batch ganeshas from, well I think you know from who (OVDB),= maybe a half year back. They where so bitter and the whole trip feels stra= nge. (And I could reproduce this feeling and still didnt like it).

F= rom what I can say all the current EU trips I tried, and you mentioned, are= good ones. And its a shame I dont know for sure how much better the calend= ers were. I took them not solo so I just cant judge here but the party was= great, and long and colorful lol.

What I am interested in is differ= ent L. I would like to know if there is really a difference in crystal qual= ity.
For me it always "just" was LSD and if you take enough it will blo= w your mind, exactly how it should.
But is there really a difference bet= ween the crystals?

EDIT:
@Asbjorn
I just checked you listing= and there you write that: "These blotters have been lab-tested from 80-100= mcg and are one of the strongest on SR"
So if this is true and I know= these Tabs and I know how much a half of these feels. Then I would say the= Hoffmans are a bit stronger. I havnt tested your batch but its a very comm= on one in the EU and I got them sold as shivas.
Hell I like all of them= . LSD is the best toy for grownup kids.
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: mju7 on February 02, 2012, 11:05 am
It would be helpful if the pictures posted were not just tiny thumbnail= s.
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: Asbjorn on February 02, 2012, 11:17= am
I think the Buddhas, Ganeshas and Hoffmans are all interchangeable. Tho= ugh you may be right and Hoffmans are better on average, but I have also se= en batches of the Hoffmans tested at 75ug and the Ganeshas tested at 90ug.= It really depends on the batch I guess. I personally would not ever charge= different prices for them.

I am not sure how much crystal quality= translates into the quality of the trip. I definitely think that people bl= ame the acid too quickly when they have got a shit trip, as there are so ma= ny other factors to take into account. But then the Mayans were definitely= superior, and I am not sure this is just due to the quantity of crystal on= them.

I took the Red Ganeshas out of the bunk section, as somebody= reported earlier that they liked them. I remember people calling them bunk= because they were unevenly laid and very low dosed. Though always stayed= away from them. Somebody got more information?

Also took the Flying= Keys out the bunk section. I do think it was justified putting them there= with their meager 30ug, but I guess technically they are not bunk.

= Uh and somebody tell me what the hell Krishnas are :) Are they just a diffe= rent name for one of the blotters I have already listed? Or are they a diff= erent print entirely? Also some information on the Pharaos started coming= in but I still urgently need a pic before I can post the info.

edit= //

Quote from: mju7 on February 02, 2012, 11:05 am
It would be helpful if the pictures posted= were not just tiny thumbnails.
=

Ooops, how embarassing. It is= fixed now.
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: peaceloveharmony on February 02, 2012= , 11:53 am
Quote= from: Asbjorn on February 02, 2012, 11:17 am
Uh and somebody tell me what the hell Krishnas= are :) Are they just a different name for one of the blotters I have alrea= dy listed? Or are they a different print entirely?

This is= the Krishna print;
http://www.blotterart.net/gallery/Blotter-Art-2000-P= resent/ShivaKlein
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: Asbjorn on February 02, 2012, 12:17= pm
Quote= from: peaceloveharmony on February 02, 2012, 11:53 am
Quote from: Asbjorn on February 02, 2012, 11:1= 7 am
Uh and somebo= dy tell me what the hell Krishnas are :) Are they just a different name for= one of the blotters I have already listed? Or are they a different print= entirely?

This is the Krishna print;
http://www.blottera= rt.net/gallery/Blotter-Art-2000-Present/ShivaKlein

Thanks, I= posted it. Still need all the information on them pleeeease :)
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: atlas on February 02, 2012, 12:36 pm<= /strong>
Here's a few pics to help

Alex Grey Nature of Mind / Ganesha: ht= tp://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=3Dd29e658ebd30354b7bb5a1c31e8c5e= 89.jpg

Alex Grey Saint Albert: http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.ph= p?image=3D4d51fbffb999b73375588add0a6351c4.jpg

Avatar: http://xfq5l5= p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=3D45ae182af14561b5f2eb1be103f03604.jpg
A= vatar 2: http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=3D11c831ca981db04dfb4= 8d919ed0910cf.jpg

Dalai Lama Back: http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/vie= w.php?image=3D8f45e48b51550c9381007b364956d293.jpg
Dalai Lama Front: htt= p://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=3D67e2e2e417868263a5f9225730c2905= 9.jpg

Buddha/Cartoon Shiva Back http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.p= hp?image=3D014b549cc8217b96962a73b268bf0ae8.jpg
(If I remember right, i= took this pic from your thread on OVDB ;))

Hofmann Original Front:= http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=3D1dca4dcf1d1752201748cf8981d= 60b93.jpg
Hofmann Original Back: http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?= image=3Da773bc86fe465f000c3395612353ccdf.jpg

Hofmann The Original (c= ommon on SR lately): http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=3Daef1e0f= 7bbb7b417a7efa26e73682aa8.jpg

Mayan Calendar Front: http://xfq5l5p4g= 3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=3D57633e7319dc008b8574c9ad70eefef3.jpg
Maya= n Calendar Back: http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=3Da8fd39e9f85= 2c7227254a346d226e7d8.jpg

Shiva Front: http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion= /view.php?image=3D4168e836db8839117406e7fa052e966e.jpg
Shiva Back: http:= //xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=3D72de50b62c719b088c5459accc5d1c47.= jpg



Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: no_pain on February 02, 2012, 12:41= pm
I went through a few of these and found them really nice. It is an othe= r one I like to take halfs from.
I normally take one to test the water= and one full hit is too much for me go in public with "normal" folks. So= half and half and half and...=C2=A0 for me. So I can perfectly manage the= trip and play with all the benefits LSD brings.

The Krishna print= I had was tasteless, just paper tasted, and the time line fits perfectly= in the for L expected schedule.=C2=A0
Strength wise like the Hoffmans= or the yellow shiva/ganesha=C2=A0 I would say.
Just normal good trips.=

@asbjorn: If you ever get your hand on some of the calendar trips= (or equal good ones) please do not tell anyone, just PM me and sell me som= e, I have to test them alone with no other substances in my body. And if yo= u make it public I am afraid not to get some, hehe.
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: BockZu on February 02, 2012, 01:02 pm=
here is a part of the Hofmann print, aakoven is selling.
don't know= the strength yet, maybe after the weekend !!

http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct= 7.onion/view.php?image=3D31341130f4b8a90a498cdf1082892eb1.gif

Love= & Peace
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: mju7 on February 02, 2012, 01:17 pm
Quote= from: Asbjorn on February 02, 2012, 11:17 am
Quote from: mju7 on February 02, 2012, 11:05 am
=
It would be helpful if the= pictures posted were not just tiny thumbnails.

Ooops, how= embarassing. It is fixed now.
<= div class=3D"botslice_quote">
Thanks. I like your thread it is= good to have information like this out in the open.

Also is it real= istic that they are all such round numbers? I would expect to see from lab= tested ones more like 91.830ug. Will the actual lab reports be posted or= are they not that accurate reports?
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: Horizons on February 02, 2012, 01:28= pm
Quote= from: mju7 on February 02, 2012, 01:17 pm
Quote from: Asbjorn on February 02, 2012, 11:17 am
=
=
Quote from: mju7 on February 02, 201= 2, 11:05 am
It woul= d be helpful if the pictures posted were not just tiny thumbnails.

Ooops, how embarassing. It is fixed now.
Thanks. I like= your thread it is good to have information like this out in the open.
<= br>Also is it realistic that they are all such round numbers? I would expec= t to see from lab tested ones more like 91.830ug. Will the actual lab repor= ts be posted or are they not that accurate reports?

Since we'= re dealing with such small quantities, I wouldn't be surprised to find that= lab tests are incapable of the kind of accuracy you mentioned. I don't kno= w for sure, though.
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: peaceloveharmony on February 02, 2012= , 02:42 pm
Quote= from: Asbjorn on February 02, 2012, 12:17 pm
Quote from: peaceloveharmony on February 02, 2012, 11:53= am
This is the Kr= ishna print;
http://www.blotterart.net/gallery/Blotter-Art-2000-Present/= ShivaKlein

Thanks, I posted it. Still need all the informatio= n on them pleeeease :)

They are similar dosed like Avatars.
Also the dancing bears were widely available in NL till some years ag= o (I think 2,3 but i have problems with remembering time :D) so maybe not= GDF.=20
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: Atticus on February 02, 2012, 03:37= pm
I've currently just placed an order for ten of aakoven's claimed 150ug= Hoffman blotters. The price was good but I am a little worried now I've se= en this thread that they may not be as strong as claimed, but I'll give the= m a go when they arrive and report how it went. (I am very new to the magic= al world of LSD so my experiences with them will be one of someone who's pr= etty new to lucy.)
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: moriarity on February 02, 2012, 03:55= pm
This is a fantastic thread: thank you so much!=C2=A0 If this can be kep= t up to date over time, it will form a great community-based history and re= ference.

My only additional recommendation is this: Now that we have= the prints and the pictures, I think it would be a really, really useful= thing in the first post to keep a database of SR LSD vendors and a note on= whether their advertised dosage is accurate to the prints.

It is te= dious and difficult to find each vendor, click through to the picture, clic= k over here and find the picture again, and compare the dosage.=C2=A0 It wo= uld be better to just go to this thread, look down, and see that FlyingDanc= ingLoverBear's LSD dosages are "listed too high" or "listed accurately."=C2= =A0 That would allow me, the buyer, to get used to who's who in terms of ac= curate dosages.=C2=A0 As a side-effect, it places some pressure on vendors= to know their dosages and list them accurately and without careless inflat= ion.

Again, thank you so much for this thread!

-Moriarity
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: sd4sd4 on February 02, 2012, 04:03 pm=
Just to create more confusion :) this is what tarp said about the origi= ns of different EU blotters:

Quote
Dalai Lama, Shiva, Dancing Bear are from Shiva family.
Maya and St.= Albert and Hofmann Bunny suit is from another family.
The crystal used= by these families is different, though they both use white.
Ganesha/Hof= mann/yellow Buddha is from yet another family.
Then there's the microdot= s etc.

No info about fat freddies, avatars, krishnas, pharaos fro= m him.

Regarding the red ganesh ones here's what someone said:
Quote
they're very unevenly laid. I wou= ld roughly guess that the average blotter has 50ug of acid. Some have a lot= more. Some have a lot less. I've tried a lot of these over the last few mo= nths. I've taken 1 hit before and had no noticeable effects and, at other= times, i've taken 1 hit and it put my dick in the dirt.
...
i don't= think any tabs are completely empty of acid. because i've always gotten at= least threshold effects from taking 2. on the flip side though, i've taken= 2 and gotten destroyed.

Also regarding crystal types and qualit= y I'm no chemist but imho it's all about different synthesis routes and pur= ification techniques which probably gotten fancy names over the years like= white fluff and whatnot but from a scientific perspective I think that's= what it's all about. Nevertheless the difference between them is very real.
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: HC on February 02, 2012, 06:04 pm
Is there any information about the current batch of the "St. Albert" bl= otters, yet?
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: Asbjorn on February 02, 2012, 10:59= pm
Thanks for all the info, I will go through it.

Quote from: moriarity on= February 02, 2012, 03:55 pm
My only additional recommendation is this: Now that we have the= prints and the pictures, I think it would be a really, really useful thing= in the first post to keep a database of SR LSD vendors and a note on wheth= er their advertised dosage is accurate to the prints.

It is tedious= and difficult to find each vendor, click through to the picture, click ove= r here and find the picture again, and compare the dosage.=C2=A0 It would= be better to just go to this thread, look down, and see that FlyingDancing= LoverBear's LSD dosages are "listed too high" or "listed accurately."=C2=A0= That would allow me, the buyer, to get used to who's who in terms of accur= ate dosages.=C2=A0 As a side-effect, it places some pressure on vendors to= know their dosages and list them accurately and without careless inflation= .
=

This is an educational thread. Especially since I vend on= SR, this would be inappropriate.

Quote from:= Asbjorn on February 02, 2012, 12:17 pm
Quote from: peaceloveharmony on February 02, 2012, 11:53 am
This is the Krishna= print;
http://www.blotterart.net/gallery/Blotter-Art-2000-Present/Shiva= Klein

Thanks, I posted it. Still need all the information on= them pleeeease :)

They are similar dosed like Avatars.
Also the dancing bears were widely available in NL till some years ago (I= think 2,3 but i have problems with remembering time :D) so maybe not GDF.=
=

You are right, they were around the NL. Pretty sure they ar= e GDF though.

Quote from: mju7 on February 02, 2012, 01:17 pm
=


=
Quote fro= m: mju7 on February 02, 2012, 11:05 am
It would be helpful if the pictures posted were not jus= t tiny thumbnails.
Ooops, how embarassing. It is fixed now.
<= /div>Also is it realistic that they are all such round numbers? I would exp= ect to see from lab tested ones more like 91.830ug. Will the actual lab rep= orts be posted or are they not that accurate reports?

At lea= st for the commercial ones there are more than one lab test, therefore the= numbers are rough averages. You can never say exactly with acid.
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: Asbjorn on February 02, 2012, 11:07= pm
Quote= from: atlas on February 02, 2012, 12:36 pm
Here's a few pics to help

Alex Grey Nature= of Mind / Ganesha: http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=3Dd29e658e= bd30354b7bb5a1c31e8c5e89.jpg

Alex Grey Saint Albert: http://xfq5l5p4= g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=3D4d51fbffb999b73375588add0a6351c4.jpg
Avatar: http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=3D45ae182af14561b5f2e= b1be103f03604.jpg
Avatar 2: http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image= =3D11c831ca981db04dfb48d919ed0910cf.jpg

Dalai Lama Back: http://xfq5= l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=3D8f45e48b51550c9381007b364956d293.jpgDalai Lama Front: http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=3D67e2e2e41= 7868263a5f9225730c29059.jpg

Buddha/Cartoon Shiva Back http://xfq5l5p= 4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=3D014b549cc8217b96962a73b268bf0ae8.jpg
(I= f I remember right, i took this pic from your thread on OVDB ;))

Hof= mann Original Front: http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=3D1dca4dc= f1d1752201748cf8981d60b93.jpg
Hofmann Original Back: http://xfq5l5p4g3ey= rct7.onion/view.php?image=3Da773bc86fe465f000c3395612353ccdf.jpg

Hof= mann The Original (common on SR lately): http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view= .php?image=3Daef1e0f7bbb7b417a7efa26e73682aa8.jpg

Mayan Calendar Fro= nt: http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=3D57633e7319dc008b8574c9ad= 70eefef3.jpg
Mayan Calendar Back: http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php= ?image=3Da8fd39e9f852c7227254a346d226e7d8.jpg

Shiva Front: http://xf= q5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=3D4168e836db8839117406e7fa052e966e.jpg<= br>Shiva Back: http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=3D72de50b62c719= b088c5459accc5d1c47.jpg

Thanks for all the great stuff.
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: Ungoliant on February 03, 2012, 08:01= am
Bumped for informative nature and relevancy to SR current deals.
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: HC on February 03, 2012, 05:58 pm
FLYING KEYs Picture. If still needed..

http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.o= nion/view.php?image=3Dc2890d44d06bafb6c7b4aa194857ccbc.jpg
Title: aakoven's 150ug Hoffman blotters
Post by: wxevkexi on February 03, 2012, 07:24= pm
Anyone have any feedback on aakoven's 150ug Hoffman blotters? Is the do= sing fairly accurate?

There are good things about him all over here,= and my chat with him was very nice. But I haven't tried his acid yet. Any= input will be much appreciated.
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: sd4sd4 on February 03, 2012, 08:04 pm=
@wxevkexi, no dosage is accurate unless backed by 3rd party lab tests.= Read the OP, hoffmans were lab tested and they're 75-100ug just like most= of the widely available commercial EU blotters.
Nevertheless AA is a to= p vendor and I'm sure you'll be happy with his product.
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: wxevkexi on February 03, 2012, 08:54= pm
But that would assume that all these blotters originate from the same= source. Do they? It seems a little weird to me that a single test can qual= ify all the hoffman's produced out there.

Then there are folks like= GammaGoblin, who are laying down their own blotters. I mean, they can use= any paper they like, and the dosing is gonna depend on what they put in th= ere. No?

Quote from: sd4sd4 on February 03, 2012, 08:04 pm
<= blockquote class=3D"bbc_standard_quote">@wxevkexi, no dosage is accurate un= less backed by 3rd party lab tests. Read the OP, hoffmans were lab tested= and they're 75-100ug just like most of the widely available commercial EU= blotters.
Nevertheless AA is a top vendor and I'm sure you'll be happy= with his product.
Title: Re: aakoven's 150ug Hoffman blotters
Post by: BockZu on February 03, 2012, 09:08 pm=
Quo= te from: wxevkexi on February 03, 2012, 07:24 pm
Anyone have any feedback on aakoven's 150ug= Hoffman blotters? Is the dosing fairly accurate?

There are good thi= ngs about him all over here, and my chat with him was very nice. But I have= n't tried his acid yet. Any input will be much appreciated.

.= .can tell you on monday !!!! ;) (maybe tuesday if they're top notch)....
Title: Re: aakoven's 150ug Hoffman blotters
Post by: wxevkexi on February 03, 2012, 09:16= pm
Quo= te from: BockZu on February 03, 2012, 09:08 pm
..can tell you on monday !!!! ;) (maybe tuesd= ay if they're top notch)....

haha ... do that please=C2=A0 :)
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: HC on February 03, 2012, 10:41 pm
For all=C2=A0 i know are the "Bicycle Hofmann's"=C2=A0 not from the sam= e source as "The Originals" and are of better quality.

Actually, wxe= vkexi is right about the Fact that anyone can use all of these blotters lis= ted in this thread.
So this whole thread is more kind of a ....rough re= ference point.

The Fat Freddy's cat blotters for example are widely= available all over Europe since last fall.
Some may be 250ug=C2=A0 of= white crystal. But in England there are some that contain about 180-200ug= and are not clean acid at all.
There is also a batch with about 120ug= that is fairly good and clean.

There also is a batch of Avatars tha= t were lab tested by the DIZ(Drug testing organization in Switzerland)and= contained 170ug.
But i don't know which batch is sold around here atm.= Maybe Asbjorns estimation of 130-150ug is correct.

The ones that ar= e listed as "crystal:grey?" are actually Amber(based on my information.)Amber is the standard for Bulk LSD and is always available in large quanti= ty.
The Picard lab for example sold only amber crystal.
http://www.p= acer.gov/
There you can look up the evidence(LSD that was tested) that= was used in the Picard case.

And this goes on and on...

So= sadly we will (in many cases) never know for sure.
But I appreciate the= effort. I guess we all do.




Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: Asbjorn on February 04, 2012, 11:43= am
Thanks guys, lots of new info is in.

Of course there are more th= an one Hoffman print. And certainly blotters can be faked much easier than= pills, but as somebody said before this is only a reference point.

= I dunno which blotters AA has, but if they are not The Original ones which= are reviewed in the first post, than they may very well be stronger than= 100ug.
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: HC on February 04, 2012, 01:41 pm
Quote= from: Asbjorn on February 02, 2012, 11:17 am
I think the Buddhas, Ganeshas and Hoffmans are= all interchangeable. Though you may be right and Hoffmans are better on av= erage, but I have also seen batches of the Hoffmans tested at 75ug and the= Ganeshas tested at 90ug. It really depends on the batch I guess. I persona= lly would not ever charge different prices for them.

I am not sure= how much crystal quality translates into the quality of the trip. I defini= tely think that people blame the acid too quickly when they have got a shit= trip, as there are so many other factors to take into account. But then th= e Mayans were definitely superior, and I am not sure this is just due to th= e quantity of crystal on them.




I think you are ri= ght. they are interchangeable. And if we assume that the guys that have lai= d these blotters know what they are doing, then this is another indication= for Amber crystal. Amber varies greatly from batch to batch.=C2=A0 Silver= or grey crystal, not so much.

The crystal quality has a huge influe= nce on the trip. Especially on higher doses. (Even Albert Hofmann said so)<= br>In chemistry 95%+ is called a "Perfect reaction".
Swiss bliss is exac= tly that, 95%+.
The only thing that is better than Swiss bliss(or white= Fluff if you want to call it that) is Needlepoint. But that is hard to fin= d these days.
"Orange Sunshine" was Needlepoint.
Here you can Downlo= ad an interview with Nick Sand. He is the chemist that was responsible for= "Orange Sunshine".(No it was not Owsley) So you can here it from himself.<= br>http://www.theopiumden.net/chapters/?q=3Dnode/archives


Needle= point: 99%+ is made in a completely controlled environment with exact precu= rsor measurements and no problems during reactions and separations, absolut= ely no unreacted ergot-lines leftover.

fluff:95%+=C2=A0 made in most= ly controlled environments with exact precursor measurements, but clandesti= ne so not quite perfect reactions and separations but fairly good. No left= over unreacted ergotlines, but other precursors may be leftover unreacted= in very small amounts.





Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: watmm on February 05, 2012, 01:08 am<= /strong>
Nice linkage HC. Would his have been the first needlepoint synthesis?
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: HC on February 05, 2012, 06:15 am
Quo= te from: watmm on February 05, 2012, 01:08 am
Nice linkage HC. Would his have been the first= needlepoint synthesis?

Great interview, isn't it :)...glad= that i found, and can share this.
Everybody who thinks that the purity= doesn't matter as long as the dosage is big enough should listen to this.<= br>
For all i know, yes it was the first needlepoint synthesis.
=C2= =A0Delysid from Sandoz was "only" 95% pure.
As a pharmaceutical company= , Sandoz obviously stopped at 95% . Its a "perfect reaction".=C2=A0 Got to= keep an eye on the costs. ;)
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: TravellingWithoutMoving on February= 05, 2012, 10:30 am
...great work very interesting thread.
=C2=A0:D :D ;) ;)
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: Joy on February 07, 2012, 07:44 am
Nice topic Asbjorn. :)
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: BockZu on February 07, 2012, 06:08 pm=
...back from the weekend, but missed the SALE completely....

fir= st I took some of Gamma's lovely 2c-b Blotters, the after 5h I took half of= Gamma's first self-laid acids, didn't feel much for an hour and took anoth= er acid blotter (AA's hofmanns)....the hofmanns are veryvery nice, but afte= r the 2c-b nothing really could compare...first time 2c-b....AND I LOVE IT= !!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: GammaGoblin on February 07, 2012, 06:= 11 pm
Aww, you did that wrong, dude! First acid, then 2c-b! :)
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: BockZu on February 08, 2012, 10:24 pm=
Quo= te from: GammaGoblin on February 07, 2012, 06:11 pm
Aww, you did that wrong, dude! First acid,= then 2c-b! :)

...ok, didn't know that...next time...

= but I didn't say your acid was nothing, it was just the wrong order I took= the stuff. anyway thank u Gamma & AAkoven for that lovely weekend !!= I will come back to you for sure !!!
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: axisofinfinity on February 09, 2012,= 06:45 am
Quote= from: Marceline on February 02, 2012, 12:09 am
I really like this :) Maybe we can get this= running on its own .onion site with an actual database set up so people ca= n browse through it easier and upload ones they've received locally, etc.
Kinda like a more interpersonal erowid
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: marsvolta12 on February 09, 2012, 06:= 58 am
Quote= from: peaceloveharmony on February 02, 2012, 12:05 am
lol @ commercial blots > 200ug
No= commercial blots will ever have > 200ug because far too many people fre= ak out at such high doses.

Even real 200ug is far too much for most= people.

i think 200ug is perfect for an experienced psychona= ut. Back in the 70's all of owsley's acid was dosed at exactly 250 microgra= ms. I believe acid should be as strong but stressed by the dealer to start= out with half. the justification of cutting a product because you don't wa= nt them to freak out is illogical because you can just tell them to take le= ss of a pure product
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: HC on February 09, 2012, 01:27 pm
Owsley's "white lightning" was dosed at 270ug, back in the 60's. 1970= he was arrested and spend 2 years in jail.
270ug (like "white lightning= ") -300ug (like"orange sunshine") is the perfect dose for an experienced Ps= ychonaut, imho.
200ug is the threshold dose where LSD becomes psychedeli= c.

Besides that, i totally agree with you.

Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: watmm on February 09, 2012, 01:49 pm<= /strong>
Can you elaborate on what you mean by "where LSD becomes psychedelic"?
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: HC on February 09, 2012, 03:46 pm
Quo= te from: watmm on February 09, 2012, 01:49 pm
Can you elaborate on what you mean by "where LSD= becomes psychedelic"?

Well..OK I'll try...still relearning= English. ;)
This statement is based on my experience(I'm around for ove= r 30 years now) and on declarations made by chemists i hang out with, back= in the day.
With LSD, 200-300ug is considered a psychedelic dose. (Natu= rally varies from person to person)
100ug for example is called a "Disco= dose". This dose is considered relatively save to ingest for people that= are not that experienced with this substance.
Even when consumed in a= party-like setting.=C2=A0 But it is very unlikely that you have kind of a= "Godhead-experience" with such a low dose.
I've never met someone that= had a psychedelic breakthrough with a disco dose.
...
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: marsvolta12 on February 09, 2012, 04:= 04 pm
Quo= te from: HC on February 09, 2012, 01:27 pm
Owsley's "white lightning" was dosed at 270ug, back= in the 60's. 1970 he was arrested and spend 2 years in jail.
270ug (lik= e "white lightning") -300ug (like"orange sunshine") is the perfect dose for= an experienced Psychonaut, imho.
200ug is the threshold dose where LSD= becomes psychedelic.

Besides that, i totally agree with you.
<= /div>
=C2=A0i stand corrected and do you know how much the yellow barrel= s were? or the Monterrey purple that jimi ate and then decided to fuck and= light his guitar on fire? im asking because i always thought they were all= 250=20
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: HC on February 09, 2012, 04:27 pm
Yellow barrels...i don't know. "Monterrey purple" or "Purple Haze" were= also 270ug. Actually "Purple Haze" and White lightning" were 270-275ug. Th= ey were not as precisely dosed as "Orange sunshine" where every single pill= had EXACTLY=C2=A0 300ug.
I've heard of a=C2=A0 special batch "white li= ghtning" that was made exclusively for Richard Alpert(Ram Dass). They had= 305ug.

BTW Jimi was known for his heroic doses. One of his fellow= Acid heads ones said something like: Jimi WAS LSD. whenever i took 3 hits= he took 10 and could still play 2 guitars at a time.
=C2=A0:)
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: BockZu on February 09, 2012, 06:05 pm=
I really don#t know about the doses of the common 90's EU blotters like= Miraculix, Bart Simpsons,hofmans,...but the were all harder than any hit= I got on here (never tried the dalais or mayas)...maybe somebody knows the= strength of te older stuff...
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: watmm on February 09, 2012, 06:55 pm<= /strong>
Quo= te from: HC on February 09, 2012, 03:46 pm
Quote from: watmm on February 09, 2012, 01:49 pm
=
Can you elaborate on what= you mean by "where LSD becomes psychedelic"?

Well..OK I'll= try...still relearning English. ;)
This statement is based on my experi= ence(I'm around for over 30 years now) and on declarations made by chemists= i hang out with, back in the day.
With LSD, 200-300ug is considered a= psychedelic dose. (Naturally varies from person to person)
100ug for ex= ample is called a "Disco dose". This dose is considered relatively save to= ingest for people that are not that experienced with this substance.
E= ven when consumed in a party-like setting.=C2=A0 But it is very unlikely th= at you have kind of a "Godhead-experience" with such a low dose.
I've ne= ver met someone that had a psychedelic breakthrough with a disco dose.
= ...

Ah ok, we're talking breakthroughs...
Because i had a= Hoffman, obtained in Berlin, and my friend turned into a wave of hundreds= of water-like droplets and then re-formed again, and i thought that was qu= ite 'psychedelic'=C2=A0 ;D
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: Floyd on February 09, 2012, 07:13 pm<= /strong>
I have seen reports on the Dalai Llamas being tested at 140 (Source: th= e seller Asbjorn) and 180 (Source: tarpaulin from OVDB). Tarp also sold shi= vas at about 150mcg if I remember correctly.
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: sd4sd4 on February 10, 2012, 05:44 am=
Quo= te from: HC on February 04, 2012, 01:41 pm
Here you can Download an interview with Nick Sand.= He is the chemist that was responsible for "Orange Sunshine".(No it was no= t Owsley) So you can here it from himself.
http://www.theopiumden.net/ch= apters/?q=3Dnode/archives

Thanks for this, it was enlighten= ing to listen to him.
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: sitdown on February 10, 2012, 10:21= am
Excellent thread Asbjorn

I have a few corrections to make to som= e of the info from other people. None of this is fully authoritative, but= it is based on having been around both European and American acid scenes= on and off for decades, and also spending a fair amount of time on relevan= t forums.

Firstly, in terms of the info still in the OP - dancing be= ars are not GDF. As indicated in the comments from Tarp which sd4sd4 quoted= , they are made by the same group as the Shivas and the Dalai Lamas. My und= erstanding is that this is a Northern European group (usually assumed to be= Dutch but I've heard it claimed they are actually based in Sweden) who rou= tinely use the standard fluff synthesis for all of their crystal. It's gene= rally stated that the dancing bears are, as someone put it, their 'disco do= se' offering, the Shivas are their standard trademark batches and the Dalai= are their high-end, high-dose version. My guess would be that the use of= the dancing bear motif is a deliberate tribute to GDF, given that they are= dosed with supposedly identical crystal at around the standard classic GDF= dose of 100 mics / hit. But strictly speaking they are not GDF. GDF have= never distributed in Europe on any kind of scale.

'Needlepoint' is= not a higher grade of crystal than 'Swiss Bliss' and neither of these are= technical terms. 'Needlepoint' is just US slang for very high grade crysta= l which takes on the distinctive appearance of tiny translucent needles. Wh= ile it is true that Sand and others=C2=A0 (including the British chemist Ri= chard Kemp) went after a higher grade of purity than Sandoz, it's also true= that Sandoz crystal reputedly had just the same 'needle-like' appearance.= So basically 'needlepoint' and 'Swiss' are just different names for crysta= l made according the most classical synthesis methods which is purified to= above 95%. The Swiss chemists actually produce various grades of crystal= but all of them are very high purity and they all look basically like what= Americans call 'needlepoint'. I've had both high-grade Swiss (in liquid fo= rm and on the Mayans) and GDF needlepoint in the past year and I would have= to say that the Swiss feels purer, if anything.

I'm not sure what= to make of gammagoblin's comments on the Dalais. I've never taken them but= I've kind of followed their career vicariously and I have to say that this= is almost the only set of such reports I've ever heard. I did read one guy= on bluelight saying that he thought there was some kind of impurity on the= Dalais but he was a bit of an idiot generally. I have to say that with ver= y high-dose hits like that, if you're taking them at festivals in the middl= e of summer or whatever, then you can get all kinds of weird reactions just= because you can get hot, dehydrated, forget to drink or eat for 12 hours,= etc.

In terms of what the difference is between crystal types - th= ere is a lot of nonsense talked on forums and there are some points which= seem to be common to people who know what they are talking about. The nons= ense generally revolves around things like physical symptoms or high levels= of anxiety being produced by impurities. This=C2=A0 mostly rubbish, becaus= e you can take a high dose of the purest acid in the world and there is abs= olutely no guarantee that you won't get symptoms ranging from stomach-cramp= s to a full-range bad trip. On the other hand, these might all be secondary= symptoms which are made more likely by the primary difference between 'goo= d' and 'bad' crystal...which is what exactly?

Well, the way that thi= s is usually described, which I think is accurate, is to say that the key= difference is that at high doses, purer crystal makes it much easier to re= tain a sense of mental clarity, whereas lower grade crystal becomes much mo= re of a head-fuck. Please note the phrase 'easier'. 'Easier' does not mean= 'guaranteed' - the fact that you have a head-fuck of a trip does not mean= that you necessarily have bad crystal. Conversely, if you are an experienc= ed and generally positive-minded tripper under good conditions, then you ca= n have a fantastic time on low-grade amber.

Finally I would have to= say that once you get into the higher grades of crystal - fluff, 'needlepo= int', 'swiss' in various grades - then preferences between them seem to be= often matters of personal taste, and the ways in which people react seem= to vary between individuals. Some people do seem to have a better time on= fluff than on needlepoint for example, and some people seem to find that= the trip on fluff or on some grades of Swiss is somehow so 'refined' that= it never reaches the pitch of intensity that they get from other kinds of= needlepoint or even good-quality silver. Personally I like to have a choic= e although if I had to pick one it would be the best of the Swiss.

=
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: GammaGoblin on February 10, 2012, 11:= 28 am
All I can say is that HC really knows what he's talking about and I can= 't wait to see his review on our crystal (and I totally agree that 200-250= mics is where the fun really begins)

Altough your post, sitdown, al= so makes sense, especially when it comes to mental clarity. It would explai= n why few of my friends who tried 800-1200mics of our crystal could quite= easily type a text messages on their cellphones, while they were surrounde= d and touched by alien beings :D

And about dalai lamas, I will just= shut up, because the fact is that it could be a weird coincidence that so= many people felt shitty afterwards. One thing I know - I would never touch= them again.
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: sitdown on February 10, 2012, 12:41= pm
I just want to absolutely agree with the points about dosage. It's 200-= 250 where you really start tripping. Importantly, this means that if you ta= ke two hits and you are not tripping absolute balls then those hits were NO= T dosed at 150ug, as so many are claimed to be. I've seen more than one per= son in this forum describe what they believed to be a 300ug trip which was= so clearly nowhere close. Trust me if you really take 2x150ug you will KNO= W that something big is happening.

On the dosage history - an inter= esting point. There is an interview online with Owsley somewhere where he= says that they only set the doses so high in the late 60s because 250ug ha= d become established as the standard dose sort of by accident, partly becau= se it was what Hoffman took on his first trip. Owsley reports a conversatio= n with Hoffman around 1970=C2=A0 in which Hoffman tells Owsley that 250 is= way too much for a lot of people and that he should be making doses around= 100. I believe this is when the standard family dose of 100 first got kind= of established.

I have to say that overall I think the family tradi= tion of issuing doses in units of 100 and just letting everyone know that= you should take 2 or 3 for a real trip is still the best practice that any= one has established. In Europe we get this situation wherein most hits are= only around 75 mics, but every couple of years there is a widely-distribut= ed batch which is more like 200-250. The result of this is that lots of ord= inary users are very nervous about taking multiple hits in case they get on= e of the strong batches, and as a result they just never really experience= a full-blown trip - which leads to all this confusion about the reality of= dosages.

I really applaud the enterprise of gammagoblin in laying= their own sheets and I think more Europeans should do this. It's not that= hard for an enterprising vendor to find their way up the supply chain, sou= rce some crystal, and lay it on some US-standard white watercolor paper. Ev= erybody gets excited when one of these US vendors pops up claiming to be la= ying their own sheets not just because of the family mystique but also just= because in practical terms it's the best way to ensure quality and consist= ent dosage from supplier to vendor. If one of the Europeans could start doi= ng this with the good Swiss crystal then they would really be onto somethin= g...
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: sd4sd4 on February 10, 2012, 04:50 pm=
Heh imho the 200ug mark is when everything around you opens its eyes ;)=
In the Nick Sand interview HC linked (everyone should listen to that!)= he said that after 100ug became the norm you could take 1 hit for a "disco= " dose, 2 hits for a psychedelic experience and 3 hits to see God :)
Quote
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Owsley reports a conversation with= Hoffman around 1970=C2=A0 in which Hoffman tells Owsley that 250 is way to= o much for a lot of people and that he should be making doses around 100.= I believe this is when the standard family dose of 100 first got kind of= established.

On this DVD http://www.liquidcrystalvision.com/= highzzz.htm is a lecture given by Mark McCloud who talks about blotter art= history and indirectly says that this tune down happened around the early/= mid 80s (he mentions this when he's talking about an 1985 blotter with Albe= rt Hofmann's face on it that by then they tuned down the dosage to 10.000= hits per gram).
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: HC on February 10, 2012, 08:16 pm
Quo= te from: sitdown on February 10, 2012, 10:21 am

'Needlepoint' is not a higher grade of cr= ystal than 'Swiss Bliss' and neither of these are technical terms. 'Needlep= oint' is just US slang for very high grade crystal which takes on the disti= nctive appearance of tiny translucent needles. While it is true that Sand= and others=C2=A0 (including the British chemist Richard Kemp) went after= a higher grade of purity than Sandoz, it's also true that Sandoz crystal= reputedly had just the same 'needle-like' appearance. So basically 'needle= point' and 'Swiss' are just different names for crystal made according the= most classical synthesis methods which is purified to above 95%. The Swiss= chemists actually produce various grades of crystal but all of them are ve= ry high purity and they all look basically like what Americans call 'needle= point'. I've had both high-grade Swiss (in liquid form and on the Mayans)= and GDF needlepoint in the past year and I would have to say that the Swis= s feels purer, if anything.

Right. These are not technical= terms. These are the terms that have been used on the circuit for years,= and most people(at least all that i know), including myself, know it under= these terms. The term "Needlepoint" was imported to EU a long time ago. So= it's not only US slang anymore. Back in the 90's, there was not that much= difference between Fluff and Needlepoint compared to nowadays. there were= batches of Fluff at 96% around and batches that were called Needlepoint th= at had 98%.
Nowadays the LSD that is produced in an completely controlle= d environment(like i said in another post) is called Needlepoint. That woul= d be LSD like that
that is produced by Prof. David Nichols at the Purdu= e university. That is absolutely the purest acid possible.
But back to= "these are not technical terms"...that means they are not standardized. ..= .
That's how I know them.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0

Quote from:= sitdown on February 10, 2012, 10:21 am

I'm not sure what to make of gammagoblin's comment= s on the Dalais. I've never taken them but I've kind of followed their care= er vicariously and I have to say that this is almost the only set of such= reports I've ever heard. I did read one guy on bluelight saying that he th= ought there was some kind of impurity on the Dalais but he was a bit of an= idiot generally. I have to say that with very high-dose hits like that, if= you're taking them at festivals in the middle of summer or whatever, then= you can get all kinds of weird reactions just because you can get hot, deh= ydrated, forget to drink or eat for 12 hours, etc.

Meanwhile= there are sooo many different Batches of these around that you never can= be sure what you are getting. From my personal=C2=A0 experience, i have to= agree with
GammaGoblin.
Also, i have seen two different lab results= of them. One said 170ug. The other one was a warning from a Drug testing= organization that said "Caution 400ug".=C2=A0 They were sold out within mi= nutes. :D
What that warning didn't say was that they contained 250ug of= d-LSD and 150ug ISO-LSD(which is not active.)


Quote from: sitdown on= February 10, 2012, 10:21 am
In terms of what the difference is between crystal types - there= is a lot of nonsense talked on forums and there are some points which seem= to be common to people who know what they are talking about. The nonsense= generally revolves around things like physical symptoms or high levels of= anxiety being produced by impurities. This=C2=A0 mostly rubbish, because= you can take a high dose of the purest acid in the world and there is abso= lutely no guarantee that you won't get symptoms ranging from stomach-cramps= to a full-range bad trip. On the other hand, these might all be secondary= symptoms which are made more likely by the primary difference between 'goo= d' and 'bad' crystal...which is what exactly?

I agree that ev= en the purest acid can cause some physical symptoms as you described. But= these are psychosomatic.
But physical symptoms produced by impurities= are not total nonsense. Unreacted ergot-lines(leftover ergot alkaloids) ca= use physical symptoms. Not as much as
real ergot poisoning, but they are= not fun.
And a 'bad' crystal contains way more of these then a=C2=A0 'g= ood' crystal does.
..




Quote from: GammaGoblin on February 10= , 2012, 11:28 am
Al= l I can say is that HC really knows what he's talking about and I can't wai= t to see his review on our crystal (and I totally agree that 200-250 mics= is where the fun really begins)


And i can't wait to try= your crystal. Just send me 30-40mg and i will try it with great pleasure.= ;D....kidding

I dropped so much acid the last couple of weeks that= I'm going to=C2=A0 wait 10-14 days before i give your trips a try. Want to= give you a proper review.
But i had some liquid that came from your cou= ntry a while back, and i REALLY liked it.
So i hope that you restock unt= il next month. Since my coins were a little late there was not much left.=


Namaste
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: sitdown on February 10, 2012, 11:45= pm
That Nick Sand interview is fascinating - thanks for that HC and for yo= ur other very interesting points.

(Of course Sand is mistaken in hi= s claim that he was innovating in the mid-90s by putting out 100ug hits! Bu= t he admits he was basically completely out of touch with any acid scene fr= om the moment he went on the run...)

And yes that 100-200-300 formu= lation is perfect :)

I've just read HC's earlier post about the diff= erence between fluff and needlepoint. Apologies - I hadn't actually read th= at when I posted my comments on those terms and they weren't intended as a= reply to HC's.

Yes HC's distinction makes perfect sense in terms= of what I know (which is nothing with any certainty).

Generally 'f= luff' seems to be associated with groups producing very large amounts in a= clandestine situation but who retain a strong philosophical commitment to= the ideal of producing pure acid (so GDF in the US and 'Shiva Family' in= Europe - arguably the two main networks to enjoy a reputation for distribu= ting white crystal over large populations). Fluff is supposed to be made us= ing the synth techniques developed by Owsley, who was never actually a prof= essional chemist, and so is supposed to be relatively easy to reproduce by= those who have the commitment, and are willing to reduce their profit marg= ins by getting significantly less final product than they would get from ma= king amber.

'Needlepoint' does indeed generally mean that it's comi= ng from a professionally-equipped lab somewhere, which doesn't happen as of= ten as you might expect; at least not on any kind of scale. In Europe the= traditional centers from which it was distributed have been Switzerland an= d Czech. I don't know why this is, although it's easy enough to speculate= (I guess they're both places where for various historical, social, economi= c, political, cultural reasons, it has been quite easy for chemists to get= access to good facilities without being subject to much supervision). The= actual final product hasn't traditionally been distributed from those loca= tions, but has been laid or pressed into microdots in NL, from where it's= distributed.

That's how I understand it anyway but it could all be= wrong.=20
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: Asbjorn on February 11, 2012, 01:13= pm
Lots of interesting stuff getting discussed here, thanks guys. Would li= ke to participate in the content but do not really have the time at the mom= ent. Keep on going though :)

I will make sure to read all of it and= keep updating the information in the first post. That way we should be abl= e to keep refining the information we get.
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: sitdown on February 12, 2012, 11:20= am
Juergen2001 is selling what looks to be a new batch of high-potency blo= tters. They're called 'Mayan' and have a Mayan design, but the design seems= to be completely different from the Swiss Mayan Calendars.

Suggest= adding them to the list of things we want info about.

As usual Jue= rgen is claiming an improbably high dosage (300) and charging an appropriat= ely inflated price - although he seems like basically a decent guy - so it= would be nice to get some accurate data, or merely some objective reports.=

I am quite tempted to order a strip and test them just to see how= far off the dosage actually is ;)

Having said that - the norm is fo= r the first run of a new batch to be stronger than the later runs, so as to= establish the reputation of the print: normally if you can get in on the= first run or two of a new print, you can end up getting a very good ug/$= deal. So maybe they really are that strong, or close (and Asbjorn mate it= might be worth you having a word with your suppliers to ask about these on= es?? If they are a new high-potency batch on the market, could be worth mak= ing inquiries...)

In fact I wonder if we should try to establish a= small group of experienced heads to make a point of routinely testing thes= e things and posting reviews. The ideal of securing lab-test results is obv= iously the holy grail; although even that wouldn't actually give any inform= ation about crystal quality, unless someone could get access to full on spe= ctrum analysis, which would be fantastic but when is it going to happen?
But I think a small group of us who all have a common reference point= (for example, I still have a few of Enelysion's WoW - pretty well guarante= ed to be a straight 100ug of white fluff per hit), who can undertake to tes= t product under controlled circumstances as far as possible, could provide= a good service to the community in offering reliable reports. Just a thoug= ht...


Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: masteron on February 12, 2012, 11:36= am
I would just like to add that I've read LSD does degrade over time due= to oxygen, temperature, and light. I've noticed the acid I've gotten has= varied in potency, somewhat I'm sure due to how much was put on it when it= was laid, but also some, possibly significant amount disappeared due to de= gradation.

I've heard the ideal storage is in a vavuum at low tempe= rature without light, and the closest I can come is in a ziplock with the= air sucked out of it stored in a cold place in a box that doesn't allow li= ght. I'm not sure whether contact with the plastic that is the zip lock bag= is transferring some of the LSD or destroying it.

Perhaps someone= could chime in with more accurate information if I'm mistaken. Hopefully= some discussion can assist us all in maintaining our LSD's potency once we= obtain it.
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: Horizons on February 12, 2012, 12:16= pm
Quo= te from: masteron on February 12, 2012, 11:36 am
I would just like to add that I've read LSD= does degrade over time due to oxygen, temperature, and light. I've noticed= the acid I've gotten has varied in potency, somewhat I'm sure due to how= much was put on it when it was laid, but also some, possibly significant= amount disappeared due to degradation.

I've heard the ideal storag= e is in a vavuum at low temperature without light, and the closest I can co= me is in a ziplock with the air sucked out of it stored in a cold place in= a box that doesn't allow light. I'm not sure whether contact with the plas= tic that is the zip lock bag is transferring some of the LSD or destroying= it.

Perhaps someone could chime in with more accurate information= if I'm mistaken. Hopefully some discussion can assist us all in maintainin= g our LSD's potency once we obtain it.

If you store your blot= ter inside tinfoil, put that tinfoil inside a sealed ziploc bag and put tha= t in the freezer, it will last longer than your lineage.

Heat and li= ght are troublesome for LSD. Contact with the air isn't that harmful, but= humidity is deadly - that's probably why you heard that vacuum sealing is= the way to go.
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: sitdown on February 12, 2012, 02:41= pm
Horizons is correct

There's a long-running debate about whether= foil is a good idea outside of the freezer or fridge. There's an old belie= f among the deadheads that keeping blotters wrapped in foil degrades them= because of some kind of chemical reaction. I've seen forum posts debunking= this scientifically but I don't know how authoritative they were, or wheth= er the belief ever had a scientific basis to begin with. A friend of mine= suggested recently that maybe at high ambient temperatures, foil will actu= ally start to 'bake' blotters and exacerbate heat degradation....I have no= idea really... could be...

I've heard of people keeping them just= wrapped in a piece of paper inside a book in a cool room and them staying= good for years.

But basically the thing is to freeze them. As long= as they are kept waterproof in the freezer you don't need to worry much ab= out oxygen because they will be too cold for any reaction to take place. It= 's the same with any chemical - if its structure is not damaged by freezing= , then freezing it will preserve it more or less indefinitely, because it= maintains it in a state of molecular stasis.

I guess the same princ= iple applies if you vacuum seal them - if you do that then again, there sho= uldn't be anything for the acid to react with even if it gets warm. But I= have stored blotters and microdots in a freezer for years and years withou= t vacuum sealing with no loss of potency.=20
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: anonsora on February 12, 2012, 04:31= pm
Great thread, I'll be sure to keep a watch on this one ^_^ Got some Red= Ganeshas coming in this week, I already knew they were a low dose, vendor= said around 60ug's, it was a reasonable price as well, and I was just desp= erate to get at least something in as I am leaving for a short vacation thi= s week as well. But I'll be taking three hits at once and see if I get anyt= hing so I will report back on that.
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: TravellingWithoutMoving on February= 12, 2012, 06:43 pm
- but anything we've ever put in a freezer ends up with some moisture,= how do you keep it dry but still -5 -> 2 deg?! -someones commented on= my point suggesting=C2=A0 =C2=A0add silica=C2=A0 gel obsorbing packs?!
= =C2=A0 =C2=A0 freezing temps do kill molecules, again this is an issue of= organic versus inorganic, aren't plant material and meat affected by freez= ing
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 dunno i'm not a biologist.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0you take= something out and with the temp difference you end up with surface moistur= e ...?! so

- i posted in a previous thread that even a trip stored= in a mini zip lock for a few yrs also seemed to result in a dud?!

-= if lsd is possibly sticking to the plastic zip lock why wouldnt it stick= to foil or paper for that matter?! -but this is just surface to surface,= the material has been fully
=C2=A0 =C2=A0obsorbed by the blotter?!
<= br>
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: sitdown on February 12, 2012, 08:13= pm
Quo= te from: TravellingWithoutMoving on February 12, 2012, 06:43 pm
- but anything we've ever put= in a freezer ends up with some moisture, how do you keep it dry but still= -5 -> 2 deg?! -someones commented on my point suggesting=C2=A0 =C2=A0ad= d silica=C2=A0 gel obsorbing packs?!
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 freezing temps do kil= l molecules, again this is an issue of organic versus inorganic, aren't pla= nt material and meat affected by freezing
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 dunno i'm not= a biologist.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0you take something out and with the temp diff= erence you end up with surface moisture ...?! so

- i posted in a pr= evious thread that even a trip stored in a mini zip lock for a few yrs also= seemed to result in a dud?!

- if lsd is possibly sticking to the pl= astic zip lock why wouldnt it stick to foil or paper for that matter?! -but= this is just surface to surface, the material has been fully
=C2=A0 =C2= =A0obsorbed by the blotter?!

I don't know what to tell you ma= n. Only that I and many people I know have stored hundreds of hits for year= s and years using the method described by horizons without any loss of pote= ncy.
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: TravellingWithoutMoving on February= 12, 2012, 09:04 pm
- understood....those are my thoughts about moisture..perhaps all that= is being a pedantic..out of heat, light & moisture may be enough.. :P<= br>
- which makes you think about posting, could enough uva light get to= trips to deplete their strength, perhaps then foil would be useful to shie= ld..?! who knows what
=C2=A0 postal services put them thru...?!
=C2= =A0 - the OCR devices already scan the front to pick off the address, like= a xerox / photo copier thats pretty intense light.
=C2=A0 - would piece= s of foil in an envelope attract more attention on a scan or is the uva eno= ugh when the blot glows -customs / postal service would be pretty pleased=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0with themselves having destroyed a trip and delivered= a piece of paper in return.

=C2=A0
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: rainbowmembrane on February 17, 2012,= 04:01 am
*bump*
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: HC on February 21, 2012, 02:22 pm
LSD is an unstable molecule. But it is not nearly as sensitive as most= people think.

Just put the blotter in plastic wrap, then in tinfoi= l and store it in the fridge. I'm doing it this way for years and never not= iced any loss of potency.

Just don't over think it. ;)
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: HC on February 21, 2012, 03:03 pm
Quo= te from: sitdown on February 12, 2012, 11:20 am
Juergen2001 is selling what looks to be a new= batch of high-potency blotters. They're called 'Mayan' and have a Mayan de= sign, but the design seems to be completely different from the Swiss Mayan= Calendars.

Suggest adding them to the list of things we want info= about.

As usual Juergen is claiming an improbably high dosage (300= ) and charging an appropriately inflated price - although he seems like bas= ically a decent guy - so it would be nice to get some accurate data, or mer= ely some objective reports.

I am quite tempted to order a strip and= test them just to see how far off the dosage actually is ;)

Having= said that - the norm is for the first run of a new batch to be stronger th= an the later runs, so as to establish the reputation of the print: normally= if you can get in on the first run or two of a new print, you can end up= getting a very good ug/$ deal. So maybe they really are that strong, or cl= ose (and Asbjorn mate it might be worth you having a word with your supplie= rs to ask about these ones?? If they are a new high-potency batch on the ma= rket, could be worth making inquiries...)

So, did you order= a strip?
I think it is pretty safe to say that they don't have 300ug.= =C2=A0 ;)
I only know this print as DOI. Bought some of these last year= because everybody told me that it is really clean, strong acid. But they= had never taken DOI before.
I'm not saying he is selling DOI. I guess= it is a different batch.



In fact= I wonder if we should try to establish a small group of experienced heads= to make a point of routinely testing these things and posting reviews. The= ideal of securing lab-test results is obviously the holy grail; although= even that wouldn't actually give any information about crystal quality, un= less someone could get access to full on spectrum analysis, which would be= fantastic but when is it going to happen?

But I think a small group= of us who all have a common reference point (for example, I still have a= few of Enelysion's WoW - pretty well guaranteed to be a straight 100ug of= white fluff per hit), who can undertake to test product under controlled= circumstances as far as possible, could provide a good service to the comm= unity in offering reliable reports. Just a thought...


I= think that is a GREAT Idea!
=C2=A0When I started traveling=C2=A0 =C2=A0= the silk road, i was very disappointed when i ordered some tabs with great= reviews and they turned out to be...disappointing.=C2=A0 =C2=A0;)
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: HC on February 22, 2012, 08:32 pm
Sadly the founding father of this thread is no longer with us, and the= information on page one can=E2=80=98t get updated anymore.
But i think= this thread can be incredibly helpful to a lot of Acidheads out there. So= i will try to keep it alive. I hope you guys are with me.
I=E2=80=98ll= post the Page 1 information right here so they can be updated regularly.
@Asbjorn
thanks for starting this.
Good bye, and good luck.
=
oh...and please don=E2=80=98t forget to send me my WoW=C2=A0 ;)

= Namaste
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: HC on February 22, 2012, 08:38 pm
BUDDHAs/CARTOON SHIVAs/BLUE SHIVAs/LORD SHIVAs

http://xfq5l5p4g3= eyrct7.onion/upload/5bd066453a2aff5dfc6bcd5a2f7f3a2f.jpg
http://xfq5l5p4= g3eyrct7.onion/upload/014b549cc8217b96962a73b268bf0ae8.jpg

Dosage:= 80-100=C2=B5g (lab)
Crystal(purity):grey/amber(70-75% purity est.)
<= br>This is one of the 3 main European commercial blotters. On the backside= these Buddhas have a simple ink drawing similar to the front of the blotte= r. Some fakes were around that contained LSD analog's instead of real LSD= .

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GANESHAs/SHIVAs (Art by Alex Grey)

http://xfq5l= 5p4g3eyrct7.onion/upload/d29e658ebd30354b7bb5a1c31e8c5e89.jpg

Dosage= : 80-90=C2=B5g (lab)
Crystal(purity): grey/amber(70-75% purity est.)
=
Another one of the main commercial blotters.=C2=A0 The print quality an= d perforation on these blotters are reported to have developed negatively.= Few hits here and there get called bunk.=C2=A0 Some fakes were around that= contained LSD analog's instead of real LSD
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HOFMANNs - "The= Original"

http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/upload/1dca4dcf1d1752201748= cf8981d60b93.jpg
http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/upload/a773bc86fe465f000c= 3395612353ccdf.jpg

Dosage: 75-100=C2=B5g (lab)
Crystal(purity):= ?

And the third one. Info to backside required. Are not to be confu= sed with the 2010 Hofmanns which were 140ug.=C2=A0 Artwork is a variation= on the regular Hoffman design.
Some fakes were around that contained LS= D analog's instead of real LSD .
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AVATARs
http://xfq5l5p4g3= eyrct7.onion/upload/11c831ca981db04dfb48d919ed0910cf.jpg
http://xfq5l5p4= g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=3Dfa5d73c72eb1160b00cd25ce69bd1fdc.jpg
Dosage: 150=C2=B5g+ (est)
Crystal(purity): silver(90% est.)

Have= been around since 2011. Lab test required. A few fakes of these blotters= were around, but no major infiltration. Artwork from the movie.

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DALAI LAMAs (Art by Alex Grey)

http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion= /upload/67e2e2e417868263a5f9225730c29059.jpg
http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.oni= on/upload/8f45e48b51550c9381007b364956d293.jpg

Dosage: 185=C2=B5g(la= b)
Crystal: white(95%+/- est.)

Mid- to High range on the Europea= n market. These are not to be confused with the Ganeshas as both get called= Alex Greys sometimes. People love this acid.

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MAYAN CALEN= DERS

http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/upload/57633e7319dc008b8574c9ad70= eefef3.jpg
http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/upload/a8fd39e9f852c7227254a346= d226e7d8.jpg

Dosage: 250=C2=B5g (lab)
Crystal: Swiss Bliss
European high-end blotters. Few batches were claimed to be bunk. Has not= been around as of lately. No info on artwork. No fakes known of.

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FAT FREDDY'S CATs

http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/upload/f091= dae52e31aa78f9056cb501d6ea56.jpg
Backside required.

Dosage:170=C2= =B5g+/-(est.)
Crystal: 80% est.


Need more information!
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DANCING BEARS

http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/upload/e9ed10989= d102442e0ae24e0f2b3f10c.jpg
Backside required.

Dosage: 110=C2=B5g=

Probably from a European source and a tribute to GDF. Is good. No= info on artwork. Few different versions of this print around, not sure abo= ut the quality of those.

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SHIVAs

http://xfq5l5p4g3e= yrct7.onion/upload/4168e836db8839117406e7fa052e966e.jpg
http://xfq5l5p4g= 3eyrct7.onion/upload/72de50b62c719b088c5459accc5d1c47.jpg

Dosage: 15= 0=C2=B5g+/-
crystal(purity): white(95%+/-)

This blotter pops up= know and then. European origin.
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KRISHNAs

http://xfq5l= 5p4g3eyrct7.onion/upload/d08e99307736aec8ccc20b6b3c7dd0eb.jpg

Dosage= : 130-140=C2=B5g(lab)
Crystal(purity): Silver(85% est.)

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THE SUNs

http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/upload/f17c1a61846f341bfdb1= 9fcb62fb0172.jpg
http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/upload/8b32c5af7bffedbe2a= 9472b2d39079ee.jpg

Dosage: 130=C2=B5g (lab)
Crystal:

Need= more information!

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RED GANESHAs

Pics needed.
Dosage: 30-80=C2=B5g (est)
Crystal: Unknown

Fucked up at product= ion level.

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FLYING KEYs

http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.oni= on/view.php?image=3Dc2890d44d06bafb6c7b4aa194857ccbc.jpg

Dosage: 30-= 60=C2=B5g (est)
Crystal: Unknown

Fucked up at production level.
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St. ALBERTs

http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?= image=3D20a331529685abb2da23e0ae975eca4e.jpg
http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.oni= on/view.php?image=3Dc96e576d4425c0f077ac26d2d2a033a3.jpg

Dosage:100= =C2=B5g +/- (est.)
Crystal: ?

Few different versions of this prin= t around, not sure about the quality of those.

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MAYAS
<= br>http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=3Da71fb7b68b6359ddaa4b9530b= 808e7de.jpg
http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=3Dedd480eecf932= 6767eed7cc9cfcbbd38.jpg

Dosage: 225=C2=B5g +/-
crystal(purity):= white (98%+ est.)


European high-end blotters. Artwork is the Az= tec Sunstone.

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MAYAN CALENDERS 2012

http://xfq5l5p4= g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=3Dae7aa55e0b9fa50a91c8a66ef7dd28ed.jpg
Dosage:110=C2=B5g+/- (est)
Crystal:white

Blotter sold by Tony76.= The print has changed, but still same crystal and potency.

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<= br>PURPLE LOTUS

http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=3Dbaeb3= c6708fbf0a44684f0410992e79d.jpeg

Dosage: 70=C2=B5g+/- (est.)
Crys= tal(purity): Pink(80% est.)

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HOFMANN "BICYCLES"
http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=3D737a47e27ae2bd8188b16ffba99= 35003.jpg

Dosage: 130-150=C2=B5g
crystal(purity): silver(85%+ es= t.)

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WoW (recent batches)

Dosage: 100-120=C2= =B5g+/-
crystal(purity):white/Fluff(90%+)

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FLOWER OF= LIFE

http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=3Db63031fe704d3c= a8539825a05440c74f.jpg

Dosage: 100=C2=B5g+ (est.)
crystal(purity)= : white (90%+)
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YIN YANG DOLPHINs

http://xfq5l5p4g3eyr= ct7.onion/view.php?image=3D6bf3aad56f3b17e05ec164f982a94e1e.jpg

Dosa= ge: 100=C2=B5g +/-
Crystal(purity): Silver (90%+/-)

Very good and= clean. Lovely Acid.
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ALICE IN WONDERLAND

http://xfq5l5= p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?image=3D1cbbef8df00ca87ff1c1dd5e5a7fbc21.jpeg
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Dosage:100=C2=B5g+/- (est.)
Crystal: grey?

Mixed reviews. ---

HOFMANN "5 Star"

http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/view.php?= image=3D5afc0e8a7cd494ee1764f95492e5aef7.jpeg

Dosage: 90=C2=B5g+/-(e= st.)
Crystal(purity): grey/amber(70%+/-=C2=A0 est.)


Very mixe= d reviews, ranging from "decent" to "no effect at all". Mislaid?
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Black Microdots

Dosage: 80-100=C2=B5g
Crystal:

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Information on the following blotter is still required: St. Albe= rt, Fat Freddy's Cat, Alice in Wonderland, Hofmann "5 Star",

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If you know more than this post, do say so=20
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: sitdown on February 22, 2012, 10:01= pm
Thanks HC - let's try to keep it going indeed.

No I didn't order= a strip of the Mayan yet. I may not bother, following that information...
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: HC on February 22, 2012, 10:22 pm
It was not my intention to steer anyone away from these Trips. I have= not ordered them from Juergen2001. I can not say anything about the batch= he is selling at the moment.

Just making it clear.=20
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: sitdown on February 22, 2012, 10:26= pm
Quo= te from: HC on February 22, 2012, 10:22 pm
It was not my intention to steer anyone away from= these Trips. I have not ordered them from Juergen2001. I can not say anyth= ing about the batch he is selling at the moment.

Just making it clea= r.

Understood - I didn't think you were. Anyone wants to post= a review I'll be delighted...

In other news - I should probably dra= w people's attention to the fact that Envious now has good ol' Grateful Dea= d Family WoW laid from high-grade fluff, on sale on SR. I'll=C2=A0 be posti= ng a review next week, here and probably in a dedicated thread, but don't= wait for that - those of who know envy from OVDB or other places know that= he has a solid-gold rep, and I know that everyone who has tried this acid= has loved it.=20
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: atlas on February 22, 2012, 11:25 pm<= /strong>
So nice to hear that sitdown.
My pecunix account has been funded tod= ay=C2=A0 :D
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: BockZu on February 23, 2012, 01:23 am=
.... just got some mayans from a different source (locally). they looke= d like the picture from juergen, but it was for sure one completely differe= nt source...but it was no acid....i have 20+years of enormous LSD & MDM= A & Speed e=C2=B4xperience...believe me or not ( more than 2kgs of xtc/= amph/ acid (ok, no kgs, but gramms of cid, i would say +1000hits over the= past 20 years)...and I know the lovestuff of the 90's (bart simpson, mirac= ulix(the original one with the big magic kettle)...I'm not sure which one= juergen sells, but be carefull aboutr some DXX's....if you love acid, you= won't love the Dxx's imo...

no offend to juergen !!! just be carefu= ll what you order...some fuckin FamilyForevers going around.... this guys= won't be near to my home, cause they wouldn't make it home !!!!!!!!! only= in some coffin!!!!!

Love & Peace
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: Ondine on February 23, 2012, 01:26 am=
Glad envious is selling, his product is guaranteed to be good shit. Too= bad the prices are so high...

I miss Ene's $355 sheets of WoW=C2=A0= :'(=C2=A0 why god why
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: HC on February 23, 2012, 03:12 am
Quo= te from: BockZu on February 23, 2012, 01:23 am
.... just got some mayans from a different so= urce (locally). they looked like the picture from juergen, but it was for= sure one completely different source...but it was no acid....i have 20+yea= rs of enormous LSD & MDMA & Speed e=C2=B4xperience...believe me or= not ( more than 2kgs of xtc/amph/ acid (ok, no kgs, but gramms of cid, i= would say +1000hits over the past 20 years)...and I know the lovestuff of= the 90's (bart simpson, miraculix(the original one with the big magic kett= le)...I'm not sure which one juergen sells, but be carefull aboutr some DXX= 's....if you love acid, you won't love the Dxx's imo...

no offend to= juergen !!! just be carefull what you order...some fuckin FamilyForevers= going around.... this guys won't be near to my home, cause they wouldn't= make it home !!!!!!!!! only in some coffin!!!!!

Love & Peace


I wouldn't totally agree with ".if you love acid, you won't= love the Dxx's imo..."
Yeah ok.. you probably wont love them.
Lets= be honest there is nothing like LSD :)I know people that took acid daily= for almost 20 years and are still..incredibly healthy.
DOB/M/I (i don'= t like DOC)have there Quality's but you can't take them too often. The heal= th risks are pretty high. I'm pretty sure one could kill himself by taking= 4 of GammaGoblins DOB blotters.
And that is the point. You should know= exactly what you are getting in to and then decide for yourself.
..ther= e is no word that can describe how i feel about people that sell...WHATEVER= as LSD.

It makes me sad but i have to ask..
If you have ordered= some 'Mayas' from Juergen would you please do a test!?! no offend to Juerg= en!!=C2=A0 Just thinking about everybody's safety.
http://azarius.net/he= althshop/drug_tests/
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/index.php/silkroad/it= em/20607
http://www.eztest.com/2/

I still have a 5-strip of his= 'St.Albert' trips siting here for weeks. I'll test them...well first on my= self...asap.

I don't think that Juergen is...one of those people
= But now i want to know for sure.


Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: qetuoljgdaxvn on February 23, 2012,= 09:51 am
I've just received a strip of the mayans from, juergen... will test for= everyone when I have a chance, however realistically not for a couple of= weeks.
I'm a noob lsd user so not sure how valid my review would be any= way, my only trips so far were created by Johnnydeals Krishnas which I thou= ght were fantastic!
1st trip I took 1 and the second trip I took 1.5 and= while my apartment's walls didn't COMPLETELY melt, shit was definately goi= ng down in a good way! :D

I have ordered from juergen before and fin= d him to be among the best vendors on SR, from his service to his product= quality so here's hoping these are the real goods.
Personally I'd be ha= ppy for them to be 200mics

Anyways, would love it if a few more peop= le reviewed these before I take the plunge..
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: Lazy Cloud on February 23, 2012, 12:5= 2 pm
Quo= te from: TravellingWithoutMoving on February 12, 2012, 06:43 pm
- but anything we've ever put= in a freezer ends up with some moisture, how do you keep it dry but still= -5 -> 2 deg?! -someones commented on my point suggesting=C2=A0 =C2=A0ad= d silica=C2=A0 gel obsorbing packs?!
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 freezing temps do kil= l molecules, again this is an issue of organic versus inorganic, aren't pla= nt material and meat affected by freezing
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 dunno i'm not= a biologist.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0you take something out and with the temp diff= erence you end up with surface moisture ...?! so

- i posted in a pr= evious thread that even a trip stored in a mini zip lock for a few yrs also= seemed to result in a dud?!

- if lsd is possibly sticking to the pl= astic zip lock why wouldnt it stick to foil or paper for that matter?! -but= this is just surface to surface, the material has been fully
=C2=A0 =C2= =A0obsorbed by the blotter?!

My storage technique:

Eac= h tab is individually wrapped tightly in aluminum foil, there go into a bag= gy with the seal left open, not sealed closed. I label the baggy, then that= goes into a an airtight glass jar, which has dessicant/silical gel packets= inside. The dessicant/silica gel absorbs something like 10x its own weight= in moisture, put them inside a small air tight jar and even if some conden= sation occurs when u take the jar out the fridge, the dessicant keeps the= inside of the jar dry. Even if there is a touch of moisture inside the tin= foil somehow, cos theyre individually wrapped, when i dose, i lik the tinf= oil too to be sure.
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: blockrockinbeats on February 23, 2012= , 01:08 pm
@qetuoljgdaxvn: really looking forward to hearing your review!
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: HC on February 23, 2012, 01:35 pm
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Qu= ote from: qetuoljgdaxvn on February 23, 2012, 09:51 am
I've just received a strip of the mayan= s from, juergen... will test for everyone when I have a chance, however rea= listically not for a couple of weeks.
I'm a noob lsd user so not sure ho= w valid my review would be anyway, my only trips so far were created by Joh= nnydeals Krishnas which I thought were fantastic!
1st trip I took 1 and= the second trip I took 1.5 and while my apartment's walls didn't COMPLETEL= Y melt, shit was definately going down in a good way! :D

I have orde= red from juergen before and find him to be among the best vendors on SR, fr= om his service to his product quality so here's hoping these are the real= goods.
Personally I'd be happy for them to be 200mics

Anyways,= would love it if a few more people reviewed these before I take the plunge= ..
...



If you are not that experienced with psyche= delics in general, it could be difficult for you to tell the different subs= tances apart. maybe..
But at this point almost any kind of review would= be interesting to hear.

It would be really helpful for everybody,= and safer for yourself, if you would order an ez-test.

these are so= me links where you can order them.:
EU: http://azarius.net/healthshop/dr= ug_tests/
USA: http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/index.php/silkroad/item/206= 07
International:http://www.eztest.com/2/


I really hope these= are the real goods too.
If a top ranked vendor like Juergen were sellin= g some RC as LSD... :o :( >:(

Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: Ondine on February 27, 2012, 07:12 am=
http://xfq5l5p4g3eyrct7.onion/upload/d08e99307736aec8ccc20b6b3c7dd0eb.j= pg

this past summer a friend of mine got a sheet that had the exact= same Ganesha pattern on the back that these do. However, I think the front= was different... I think it was a buddha... I never actually saw the whole= sheet but it was more yellow/orangish on the front. They were good-medium= quality, so I doubt they were 140ug like the krishnas are supposed to be.= Anybody seen what I'm talking about?
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: envious on February 27, 2012, 08:09= am
u guys will be hard pressed to ever see ene's prices again. we don't ev= en see ene's prices on the private scene. unless someone shows up with 100k= to drop on acid and a gdf connect. u guys were spoiled and u don't even re= alize it.. u think thats how it is.. its just not unless u are ridiculously= rich and connected.

also there is a reason silk road is more expens= ive then real life, or private scene, or ovdb...

vendors have to acc= ount for the fact that half the people aren't gonna finalize and are gonna= have to wait 17 days to get your money coz people are so fucking lazy they= can't sign on and finalize. price is guaranteed going to fluctuate in that= time. this is why i am gonna keep a list of all users who wait for auto fi= nalize and never sell to them again. i also might start requiring early fin= alizations for 0/0 users if they think they can get around this by making= a new account. escrow is good but it really sucks from a sellers standpoin= t. u would never give ur money to some third party in real life while you= did a drug deal and then expect the customer to call the third party and= say ok yeah give the dude his money i got my product. sounds pretty ridicu= lous, especially when u realize that once people get drugs the last thing= they are gonna do is get on the computer. also you are placing your money= in sr's hands which could potentially go down at any time and who knows if= the backup address is actually gonna work.

then you got to account= for packaging (more expensive than it sounds), gas to drive to far away ma= ilboxes every time, sr's 10% fee, conversion and washing fees, laundering= fees, labor (need help sometimes to package 20 orders a day), safe house= cost, and i'm not even hedging.

comparing sr prices to street price= s is like comparing eggs to beef. yeah they both got protein but they are= two completely different things.
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: envious on February 27, 2012, 08:15= am
but basically the main reason prices are higher is escrow. you guys wan= t to be protected from scammers then you have to pay a premium for the serv= ice, thats just the way it is.

to clarify i am not offended i just= trying to explain why it costs more.
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: friendlyoutlaw on February 27, 2012,= 12:26 pm
The economics of the LSD community have always made me laugh.

Fi= rst off, let's start with the price per hour of intoxication. LSD is cheape= r than nearly every drug besides cannabis in these terms...and LSD requires= a relatively complicated synthesis in a lab using hard to find precursors.= Cannabis damn near grows itself.

Second, unlike many drugs, you can= 't really use LSD frequently, so if you take the perspective of "if I do dr= ug X as many times as I like (and am able) during the year, I would spend= Y dollars per year", so people should be willing to pay much more for LSD= than they do...if the price had been established long ago that a good soli= d trip cost $50 or $100, I think people would have been fine with it.
<= br>Third, quality reliable supply is almost nonexistent, and demand is extr= emely high. A vendor could setup shop in the US selling sheets for $750 and= if the acid is as claimed, people will bitch and call him greedy and beg= him to hold a sheet for them while they get the money together.

Thi= s hippy nonsense about sharing the love blah blah blah...I love you guys,= but seriously? It's nice if people want to spit in the face of economics,= but understand they were essentially giving you free money by selling at= a price under the supply/demand curve. You can't be upset when reality set= s in.
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: raven92 on February 27, 2012, 03:32= pm
@friendly,

I totally agree with what your saying, but in my opi= nion a lot of the animosity comes from the high prices for the low quality= / RC's that tend to be what you run across half the time anymore. Or getti= ng product advertised as 250mic thats probably closer to 40mic of clean d-L= SD, maybe another 210ug of different unfiltered states of erg.

I'd= happily pay top dollar for good clean LSD that came with a HPLC report on= the purity.=20
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: HC on February 27, 2012, 06:56 pm
I totally agree with envious. SR is a special case and you can't compar= e the prices here to the real life prices.

A lot of people just don= 't have a real life connection(anymore) and that is the reason they buy on= SR.
I don't know the US market very well, but the real life prices in= Europe are not that high, in case your connect is even remotely good.
I= 'm out=C2=A0 for a while, but a few years back, the price for low quality= euro blotter was at about 80cent when you bought 5000 tabs. 100tabs for 38= 0=E2=82=AC.
The Quality was comparable to the Ganeshas and cartoon shiva= s.
I never had to buy them because i had access to high quality crystal(= over the course of 11 years. So "quality reliable supply is almost nonexist= ent"?) that i got for a good price . So i could sell it really cheap and st= ill make 100% profit. Is 500-1000% really necessary!?
+ I was/am totally= into the "hippy nonsense about sharing the love". LSD should be free imo.= But producing a high quality product costs money. That's the reality.
B= ut if you see it just as a business you would be stupid to not make the kin= d of profit that is possible.
Times have changed
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: Horizons on February 27, 2012, 08:43= pm
Pricing is a complicated thing. Where I live, LSD is extremely hard to= come by. A single hit on the street will se you back about 15 USD, sometim= es more. And you're lucky if the guy can sell you more than four. For me,= buying on SR is a lot cheaper than buying on the streets, especially if I= buy bulk - which isn't even an option in my local IRL market.
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: Scuba Steve on February 28, 2012, 12:= 05 am
Just wanted to chime in and say the GANESHAs/SHIVAs (Art by Alex Grey)= are not worth the price they were going for here. Clean, enjoyable I suppo= se but not powerful at all. Disappointed.
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: momiji on February 28, 2012, 02:05 am=
@Scuba Steve

I agree. It is one of the reasons I've moved to wow.
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: Scuba Steve on February 28, 2012, 02:= 31 am
@momiji, hopefully you restock soon. I took a chance with tony76's unte= sted acid, it can't be worse than what I just ate.=C2=A0 I'm afraid I'm goi= ng to eat the remaining 4 tabs and still only have a mild trip even with a= super large bong hit. the 150ug claim is just absurd. I reckon they were= 40ug a tab at best.=C2=A0 Some of the best wow I ever had was from philly.= 1 tab and the world was melting, my friend and I had to hide in our tent= for 20 minutes because it hit so hard but after we got comfortable we expl= ored the festival and had an amazing time :)
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: momiji on February 28, 2012, 05:42 am=
I can get 200-250=C2=B5g euro tabs, but they are not financially feasib= le to sell.
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: LSDANK on February 28, 2012, 06:05 am=
Quo= te from: momiji on February 28, 2012, 05:42 am
I can get 200-250=C2=B5g euro tabs, but they= are not financially feasible to sell.

Hey how much for the= 200-250ug tabs i have been looking for strong tabs domestically, disregard= s the price. I am understandable that it will be a bit more expensive. How= much do you think?=20
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: atlas on February 28, 2012, 06:07 am<= /strong>
Dalai Lamas?
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: momiji on February 28, 2012, 08:24 am=
Fat&freddy=E2=80=99s 200-250mic

I haven't personally tried= them so I don't know if they are 200 or 250=C2=B5g, but they are not the= 120=C2=B5g knockoffs.
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: TravellingWithoutMoving on March 05,= 2012, 01:16 am
...on the subject on costs...as long as sellers don't forget that deliv= ery alone can take 5-14 days (a guesstamite) for international
=C2=A0 = =C2=A0and when sellers don't indicate somethings been posted the days quick= ly add up otherwise i have no objection paying for what i've bought..
=C2=A0;)
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: NeuroticNarcotic on March 05, 2012,= 01:36 am
Hello Acid lovers , Check out my stock on SR!
=C2=A0;)
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: HC on March 05, 2012, 06:03 pm
Quo= te from: NeuroticNarcotic on March 05, 2012, 01:36 am
Hello Acid lovers , Check out my stock= on SR!
=C2=A0;)

Hmm...i think i'll try them soon but...=
http://silkroadvb5piz3r.onion/silkroad/item/38acdf75d9

If these= are "Home-made blotter 250ug" then you could give us some more information= about them.

What kind of crystal did you use?
How pure is it in= %?
Are the 250ug the crystal dosage or the pure LSD dosage?
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: TravellingWithoutMoving on March 05,= 2012, 08:17 pm
Quo= te from: envious on February 27, 2012, 08:09 am
also there is a reason silk road is more expe= nsive then real life, or private scene, or ovdb...

vendors have to= account for the fact that half the people aren't gonna finalize and are go= nna have to wait 17 days to get your money coz people are so fucking lazy= they can't sign on and finalize. price is guaranteed going to fluctuate in= that time. this is why i am gonna keep a list of all users who wait for au= to finalize and never sell to them again. i also might start requiring earl= y finalizations for 0/0 users if they think they can get around this by mak= ing a new account. escrow is good but it really sucks from a sellers standp= oint. u would never give ur money to some third party in real life while yo= u did a drug deal and then expect the customer to call the third party and= say ok yeah give the dude his money i got my product. sounds pretty ridicu= lous, especially when u realize that once people get drugs the last thing= they are gonna do is get on the computer. also you are placing your money= in sr's hands which could potentially go down at any time and who knows if= the backup address is actually gonna work.

then you got to account= for packaging (more expensive than it sounds), gas to drive to far away ma= ilboxes every time, sr's 10% fee, conversion and washing fees, laundering= fees, labor (need help sometimes to package 20 orders a day), safe house= cost, and i'm not even hedging.

comparing sr prices to street price= s is like comparing eggs to beef. yeah they both got protein but they are= two completely different things.

- i don't disagree with any= of your points, but the other factor is 'computers' -are supposed to help= bring the cost of a process down, but does it?!
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: blockrockinbeats on March 07, 2012,= 06:39 am
[SUMMARY: This is a trip report after taking half of one of juergen2001= =E2=80=99s Mayas. I had a bad trip, but this was not the fault of the acid= itself. I have tried my best to distinguish between my individual experien= ce and the =E2=80=9Cobjective=E2=80=9D qualities of the acid. Sorry for the= excessive length of the post.]

Recently I received a 5-strip of jue= rgen2001=E2=80=99s Mayas. In eager anticipation of a high-dose trip that I= was planning to have with these on the weekend, on a whim I convinced myse= lf that it would be a good idea to prematurely =E2=80=9Ctest=E2=80=9D a hal= f-tab beforehand.

I=E2=80=99m an idiot. What ensued was a 8+ hour ni= ghtmare in my head. I experienced mega paranoia and headfuck. I=E2=80=99m= pretty sure this was because my set and setting were all wrong rather than= the fault of the acid. I had some hours alone, but had to interact with no= n-trippers for some of the trip, and became totally wigged out with negativ= e thoughts, worry, and fear. I guess I deserve it for being too eager to tr= ip and not just waiting until the setting was right. Lesson learned (again!= ). Luckily I am feeling back to normal after sleeping it off. I woke up thi= s morning and was incredibly grateful for my sanity.

Since it was su= ch a low dose trip, I don=E2=80=99t feel that I can give an overly extensiv= e or fair review of the Mayas, but I will say a few things:

I undere= stimated the strength of these. Whilst I wasn=E2=80=99t launched flying out= into space, I was definitely insane for the day. I experienced significant= euphoria and OEVs, albeit milder and with less intensity than what one wou= ld experience on a standard dose. In the first half of the trip, my thought= s were racing very fast, and I found it impossible to sit still or concentr= ate on anything. I was buzzing around like a tweaker with mega ADD. The who= le experience was overwhelming because it was more than I bargained for. I= was shocked that half of a tab could be so strong. By the second half of= the trip, I was able to sit down in one place, but was still very fidgety.= I experienced some incredibly negative thoughts about myself that left me= feeling really depressed. It was so mentally exhausting. I felt like one= half of my brain was at war with the other. (It should be noted that I hav= e a history of depression and anxiety and am not at a particularly good pla= ce in my life right now, so I shouldn=E2=80=99t really be surprised that I= had such a bad trip.)

This was the most incredibly CLEAN feeling LS= D I have ever experienced (having tripped 11 times now on varying doses -= usually low to medium, but some high - over a period of about 6 years). I= could not believe how clean it felt. I am very overweight and don=E2=80=99= t look after myself too well, so I usually experience terrible, heavy bodyl= oad on acid, with my stomach gurning badly, especially on the comedown. Thi= s is usually noticeable for me even on low dose trips. I didn=E2=80=99t hav= e any of these problems on the half tab of the Mayas. It was a really nice,= speedy euphoric high that I enjoyed very much before things got out of con= trol.

I stopped tripping after about 8-10 hours, but still felt very= weirded out and paranoid afterwards. I wasn=E2=80=99t able to sleep until= about 17 hours after dropping the acid. I suffer from insomnia and usually= find it very difficult to fall asleep under any conditions, and especially= after taking acid. I didn=E2=80=99t notice any significant CEVs and wouldn= =E2=80=99t really expect them on such a low dose.

It felt very diffe= rent to acid I have taken in the past. However, I think this may be because= I was mainly getting lower quality, less pure stuff over the years (I assu= me amber crystal grade). As far as I can tell from the half-tab I took, the= Mayas seem to be great quality acid. A higher dose of these in the right= setting has the potential to be pretty damn amazing. As stated, I just was= n=E2=80=99t in the right headspace or physical setting and had a difficult= trip =E2=80=93 this was nothing to do with the acid itself.

I would= assume that these are not an RC. However, I have never taken RCs before an= d don't really know how to tell the difference, so please don't take my wor= d for it without testing them for yourself. I've tried to research the effe= cts of LSD vs. DOx on various Internet forums, but it's still hard to know= without having tried each substance individually, since the effects are re= putedly so similar. LSD tends to feel different to me every time I take it,= depending on my mood, dose, setting, the strength of the blotter, and puri= ty of the crystal. The Maya tab felt like acid - just much more clean-feeli= ng acid than usual and quite strong. It took about an hour to come up, whic= h is pretty standard for me.

Unfortunately I=E2=80=99m scared to tri= p again for a while after this experience. I really shouldn=E2=80=99t mess= with this stuff until I get some shit sorted out. On a more positive note,= today I feel much happier and motivated to try harder in the aspects of my= life that are lacking. I guess bad trips are sometimes useful in exposing= aspects of your life that need improvement and therefore help us to become= better people.

[WARNING: I just want to remind people that taking= half of a tab of acid is nothing like taking half of a pill or drinking ha= lf of a beer. I read some disgusting posts on Bluelight where some people= claimed that they even drive on low dose LSD trips!! (After giving it some= thought, I=E2=80=99m convinced that no one on Bluelight actually really ta= kes drugs and that it=E2=80=99s just a bunch of kids writing bullshit, but= that=E2=80=99s not the point =E2=80=93 driving on any substance is just fu= cking irresponsible and shameful). Don=E2=80=99t be stupid. Get your set an= d setting right or be prepared to be kicked in the arse. Low dose acid is= still acid, just less intense than a higher dose trip. I=E2=80=99m ashamed= of myself for throwing caution to the wind and disrespecting psychedelics= in the way that I just did. Acid is not something to be taken casually in= the middle of the week when you are unprepared. Be warned - this stuff can= literally send you mad.]
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: TravellingWithoutMoving on March 07,= 2012, 08:48 pm
..i don't believe a half would have had such a strong effect, not on me= ...sorry
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: HC on March 07, 2012, 11:06 pm
Quo= te from: TravellingWithoutMoving on March 07, 2012, 08:48 pm
..i don't believe a half would ha= ve had such a strong effect, not on me...sorry


+1

= BUT....i never tripped like blockrockinbeats....11 times over the course of= 6 years....
i guess 11times that was my first month with L...

Ho= w can one compare these experiences....?
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: blockrockinbeats on March 08, 2012,= 02:58 am
Quo= te from: HC on March 07, 2012, 11:06 pm
Quote from: TravellingWithoutMoving on March 07, 2012, 08:48= pm
..i don't beli= eve a half would have had such a strong effect, not on me...sorry

<= /div>
+1

BUT....i never tripped like blockrockinbeats....11 times= over the course of 6 years....
i guess 11times that was my first month= with L...

How can one compare these experiences....?

=
Haha, I didn't think half a hit would do anything either!! That's why= I freaked the fuck out when it was so strong.

Perhaps I don't have= much tolerance - the last time I tripped before this was a month ago. And= as stated, I've spaced out my trips over the course of several years.
<= br>Edit: Also, if you read my post correctly, I did say that the euphoria= and OEVs were much MILDER and LESS INTENSE than a standard dose. The probl= em was that I had a massive panic attack, so everything probably seemed lik= e a bigger deal than it really was. You are free to dismiss my report if yo= u don't believe me, but I assure you I am not trolling or making this shit= up - it happened. I took the half as soon as I woke up, without having eat= en anything, which may have contributed to feeling stronger effects than on= e would expect.
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: HC on March 08, 2012, 05:29 am
I think you might got me wrong there.

I don't question your expe= rience at all!

It was kind of a serious but although "philosophical"= question.;)

Is there a way to compare such different experiences...= ?
just a thought that came to mind when=C2=A0 i was writing that post.= :)=20
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: blockrockinbeats on March 08, 2012,= 08:47 am
Sorry I misunderstood, HC. I thought you and TravellingWithoutMoving we= re questioning my experience and got a little defensive. :P Thanks for the= clarification.
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: TravellingWithoutMoving on March 08,= 2012, 10:26 am
..i am sure your next TRIP will be a better one, just go with it its ju= st a ride.
{quick summary, give it 7-10days between doses, taking 1/2 th= en the other 2hrs later doesn't always "work", choose setting & friends= }
=C2=A0;) ;)
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: watmm on March 09, 2012, 03:05 am
Would love to hear from someone who's had both juergen and gammagoblin'= s 'cid.
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: blockrockinbeats on March 09, 2012,= 04:19 am
Hey guys, just a quick update on the Mayas:

I ended up taking 1= and a half tabs a couple of days after my bad trip on the half-tab.
I had a really good trip this time. Turns out I just needed to get my sett= ing right and chill the fuck out, hehe. I can=E2=80=99t believe I panicked= so much the other day.

Here=E2=80=99s what I can say about the acid= :

-Nice, incredibly CLEAN euphoric body high. Felt very clearheaded= and relaxed, with no nausea or bodyload (which is amazing to me because ac= id usually makes my body feel like crap).

-Strong OEVs, but seemed= kind of different to the OEVs I usually get on acid. They were more fleeti= ng and cartoon-like rather than the swirling fractals that I=E2=80=99m used= to.

-I was so relaxed that I was able to fall asleep whilst still= tripping and entered an interesting acid-dream state.

-The high was= n=E2=80=99t too intense, but definitely took me to another dimension.
Overall, it is good, clean acid and highly recommended. My only regret is= that I didn=E2=80=99t buy more of these!! :D
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: SavoyFan on March 10, 2012, 04:43 pm<= /strong>
Time to report on NeuroticNarcotic. Based on my experiences with him th= ere is NO ONE I would rather throw my money at than this guy. His packaging= is wonderful... Like really Idk if brilliant is going to far but I thought= it was really just top notch.

The tabs were insane! I took one Dal= i and just a hair under a half of an Anonymous. Without a doubt the cleanes= t acid I have ever done. Crystal clear thinking without any body load. Thre= e hours after dropping is when it really hit me like a fucking freight trai= n. If some of the things I experienced are real, holy fuck mates.

T= here you have it. Stand up guy shipping from Germany who gave me an A++++++= experience. Support him, he will get you the tabs!!=20
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: TravellingWithoutMoving on March 10,= 2012, 06:18 pm
.."wonderful packaging"..would have to be 2 or 3 layer which includes= foil or something, otherwise there's not much to getting trips in an
= =C2=A0 envelope; 2 layer zip lock in another is std effort..and just droppi= ng loose in an envelope is probably poor packaging..?!

Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: i3lazd on March 10, 2012, 08:03 pm
Going to try some Needlepoint WoW, 100ug.=C2=A0 Will let you know how= it is. Ordered about 2 days ago.=C2=A0 Anyone tested these?
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: unnamed42 on March 11, 2012, 12:53 pm=
Thank you very much blockrockinbeats for your reviews on the mayas. I= got a 10 strip of them too very recently and actually made the very same= mistake you did, though not ending up in a bad trip.

I also wanted= to "sample" them, despite knowing better, but as I really have no problem= about my mindset right now but only the setting wasn't picked properly, I= ended up having a very cleansing and insightful experience. Here's what ha= ppened:

I got the letter send to a friend's and joined him after wo= rk on the day I supposed the acid to arrive. As this was my first transacti= on on SR I was probably a bit over-excited about my drugs from the internet= to arrive, so I wanted to check the actual quality as soon as possible. I= took a quarter of tab at about 8pm and another quarter an hour and a bit= later (I weigh only like 120lb, so I wanted to take it carefully as I alre= ady read some reviews about these being quite strong).

I was amongs= t friends who were not tripping, but felt safe at my friends house and had= a bed to crash there in case needed (which I should have made use of in re= trospect). It was very much a "me"-trip, very thoughtful and I felt fulfill= ed with a great curiosity about the world surrounding me and the whole inte= rconnectedness in it while the trip was slowly rising up. However, I should= not have split the dose because so I did not realize when I was gonna peak= and that it would still become way more intense when my friend said he was= gonna go to bed at about half past eleven. I felt very much in control at= that point so I decided to walk home which I had figured before would be= problematic because I'm not very satisfied with my living-situation right= now (mostly esthetic stuff and my room in my shared appartment being a lit= tle small for tripping). But I was too busy exploring mental spaces to reme= mber that at that moment=C2=A0 :o

The way way home was fantastic,= I felt connected even to the few non-trippers I saw on my way and there wa= s one small fraction of the way were people are known to get mugged and I'm= getting paranoid there even when completely sober, but I managed to mainta= in the great experience not only there but also at the border I had to cros= s to get home.

When I arrived at about midnight, having had a great= walk with fantastic music on my earphones behind me, I was thinking to be= pretty much at peak of the trip, having hardly any visual effects but a ve= ry strong emotional and deep-thoughted trip so far. Probably because of thi= s being quite introverted I did not notice the trip was still getting stron= ger and when I watched my own face on my web cam to see if anything interes= ting would happen I was a bit frightened by the distortions suddenly kickin= g in. I mentioned my small room, so you can imagine it took a bit of self-c= ontrol to not slip into a circle of fear and first I tried to divert myself= from the fear by playing some positive music and doing some (mostly symbol= ic :D ) cleaning up, but what in the end got me over this brief horror (and= it was really intense!) was actually facing it and investigating its natur= e, to at the end realize there is nothing to be afraid of at all.

Y= ou can imagine this was an extremely intense self-reflection which I would= not recommend to practice for anyone inexperienced with psychedelics AND= without at least some sort of training in psychology and effective self-re= flection techniques! For me this was great and although I would not go as= far to call it a life-changing experience strictly speaking (although ever= y intense experience of course influences the rest of your life ofc), but= defintely had a real self-therapeutic impact.

This deep self-reflec= tion process took about two hours, which felt like ages and apart from the= 10 minutes which re-defined my idea of horror I was so focused (strange wo= rd in this context, I know, but that's how it felt - focused on letting my= self-healing abilities come to work in a natural flow) that I completely= skipped the visual part apart from the brief terrifying distortions of my= face and surroundings.

I plan on going on a stronger-dosed tripped= with some friends soon, which is supposed to be more of a "we"-trip :)
=
Having written this lengthy text I can only repeat blockrockinbeats war= ning: Don't mess with this stuff, particularly if you do not know how you= can handle this sort of substance! driving under the influence of LSD in= plainly mental, the thing it tends to do is not let you notice how fucked-= up you already are until it's too late! You cannot dose LSD so carefully th= at you could drive, that's against the very nature of this drug!
Also,= always take care you pick the setting right and have the right mindset whe= n planning on taking a strong psychedelic like LSD, because what I experien= ced can be extremely traumatizing or even trigger latent psychosis to many= other people with a different background!

That being said: happy tr= ipping! :)

Edit: made little better readable and want to attach my= quality judgement too of course: as being said here multiple time the Maya= n Calendars are very clean and strong acid, nothing to add :)
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: slumberbot on March 19, 2012, 01:29= pm
Hey all,

Just wanted to pitch in on Juergen's Mayas... Tripped= with a friend on Saturday, each of us with one tab. We went hiking and too= k the cid at a little cabin in the woods. The trip was really gorgeous and= very clean. Personally, I had barely any visual distortions, only at one= or two moments and then quite intensely, while my friend had a great deal= of them. This didn't bother me at all though, since I was incredibly absor= bed by nature and everything I looked at. A really beautiful trip. We had= the time of our lives hiking back down the hill through the majestic fores= t. The comedown was very gentle and relaxed.
Definitely an A++ from thi= s inexperienced user. I hope they come back soon, I'd definitely buy again.
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: HC on March 25, 2012, 05:53 pm
A few days ago, i found an Interview with Owsley from 1990 on youtube= and i want to share this. Or maybe i am a little late to the party and eve= rybody knows it already.
It is slightly of topic in this thread because= it is not directly about LSD but...
Its OWSLEY :)
I love it!!
He= rewired his brain in an amazing way..

have fun..
https://www.you= tube.com/watch?v=3DVFVo2nQzYnM


Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: Stormtrooper420 on April 12, 2012, 09= :34 am
I really wanna hear some info about the st alberts! Someone has had to= have dropped them! lol I plan on dropping on the next sunny day. Plna on= dropping 3 as an initial dose and thats all for the day :)

Best Reg= ards,
Stormtrooper
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: Anomuserpsy on April 12, 2012, 12:44= pm
Quo= te from: Stormtrooper420 on April 12, 2012, 09:34 am
I really wanna hear some info about the= st alberts! Someone has had to have dropped them! lol I plan on dropping= on the next sunny day. Plna on dropping 3 as an initial dose and thats all= for the day :)

Best Regards,
Stormtrooper

Had th= ese last summer here in Europe, my guess would be that these are around 150= =C2=B5g. I noticed effects from 1/3 of a tab: great for dancing, altough= no real OEVs at this low dose. One tab is good enough for my own taste. Be= tter than the cartoon shiva's & dancing bears. Clean and good acid. Sup= posedly from the same family as the Mayen Calendars but different crystal= (source: OVDB).

I wouldn't take three (max 2) but that offcourse de= pends on your own tolerance and experience.

Does anyone have info= on Hofmann originals with a ying/ying symbol in a lotus flower on the back?
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: mnhcorp on April 12, 2012, 02:04 pm
Quo= te from: Anomuserpsy on April 12, 2012, 12:44 pm
Does anyone have info on Hofmann originals wi= th a ying/ying symbol in a lotus flower on the back?

I got= a strip of these around late feb from DrA. Haven't tried it myself but pas= sed it on to a couple of friends and their review was that it's genuine L,= albeit not too strong. (The doctor did claim it to be around 75mics, so th= at seems consistent).
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: Stormtrooper420 on April 12, 2012, 08= :04 pm
Quo= te from: Anomuserpsy on April 12, 2012, 12:44 pm
Quote from: Stormtrooper420 on April 12, 2012, 09:34= am
I really wanna= hear some info about the st alberts! Someone has had to have dropped them!= lol I plan on dropping on the next sunny day. Plna on dropping 3 as an ini= tial dose and thats all for the day :)

Best Regards,
Stormtrooper=
<= /div>

Had these last summer here in Europe, my guess would be that= these are around 150 =C2=B5g. I noticed effects from 1/3 of a tab: great= for dancing, altough no real OEVs at this low dose. One tab is good enough= for my own taste. Better than the cartoon shiva's & dancing bears. Cle= an and good acid. Supposedly from the same family as the Mayen Calendars bu= t different crystal (source: OVDB).

I wouldn't take three (max 2) bu= t that offcourse depends on your own tolerance and experience.

Does= anyone have info on Hofmann originals with a ying/ying symbol in a lotus= flower on the back?

I don't have the highest tolerance but= quite a bit of LSD and DMT experience. The most I have taken is 2 hits of= the Dalai Lama blotters around 200-250 mics. So this looks like another gr= eat experience for me :D

Best Regards,
Stormtrooper
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: prometheus247 on April 14, 2012, 10:3= 7 am
Quo= te from: Stormtrooper420 on April 12, 2012, 09:34 am
I really wanna hear some info about the= st alberts! Someone has had to have dropped them! lol I plan on dropping= on the next sunny day. Plna on dropping 3 as an initial dose and thats all= for the day :)

Best Regards,
Stormtrooper

Hi Sto= rmtrooper,

I recently purchased the "Alex Grey and a. Hofman, new= edition" LSDs from Juergen2001 and tried one tab while being on holiday th= e other week. I'm not a big expert on LSD (yet! :P) and I can only compare= to one other experience I had on another tab I bought directly from Berlin= . The Hofman experience was interesting. There was definitely euphoria, int= rospection, some limited visuals e.g. I was watching the clouds in the sky= above and at instances it looked like I was looking at earth from space fr= om behind the clouds. Music did sound amazing (e.g. Royksopp) but not to le= vels of perfection I reached during my first trip where classical pieces li= ke Chopin's nocturnes sounded so profound. Also no out of body experience= this time. However the setting might have played a role in the not so big= profoundness of the experience because we were on the mountains and I trie= d to remain aware in case we were approached by other people. Also I was ne= ver left completely alone during the Hoffmans session, which I think does= play a part (i.e. at some points you need to let go, and you can't complet= ely let go when communicating continuously with another person).

Bod= yload wise they did cause some nausea and slight urge to vomit at the start= of the trip, which from what I read on the forums is an indication that it= 's not the best purity LSD possible.

I still got some Hoffmans left= and I plan to trying them again (making taking 2 tabs and being by myself= next time).
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: i3lazd on April 14, 2012, 05:28 pm
mike.murphy did not send me my WOW needlepoint yet...


think= I lost 22 bitcoins out of escrow.....
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: Horizons on April 14, 2012, 11:20 pm<= /strong>
Quo= te from: i3lazd on April 14, 2012, 05:28 pm
mike.murphy did not send me my WOW needlepoint yet= ...


think I lost 22 bitcoins out of escrow.....
=

Wo= rd coming through the grapevine is that mike.murphy is a scammer. I'm sorry= to say that you probably did lose your investment. :(
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: Stormtrooper420 on April 15, 2012, 04= :27 am
I dropped 2 of the st alberts and it was nice, definately not the clean= est crystal. But I still quite enjoyed it :) Thanks for the input guys!
Best Regards,
Stormtrooper
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: shai1973 on April 15, 2012, 04:34 pm<= /strong>
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Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: Roky on April 15, 2012, 05:27 pm
Quo= te from: shai1973 on April 15, 2012, 04:34 pm
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2. Mitanox= =C2=A0 - A sweetheart,=C2=A0 very high quality MDMA, good prices, excellent= communications, fast delivery, generous , very honest. (i did not tried hi= s LSD yet but defiantly I will trust his soon to come LSD review).
3. Sk= yy - So far I'm waiting for a package to arrive, I'm sure it will - this ve= ndor have high score and so far the communications is very good, I will upd= ate when receive package .
4.=C2=A0 3Jane - So far I'm waiting for a pac= kage to arrive, very good communications, I'm sure it will - this vendor ha= ve high score, looks like a very trustable vendor, selling a very unique st= uff, I will update when receive package.


Gerry garcia=C2=A0 ----= -- SCAMMER MOTHER FUCKER, BE CAREFUL

Hi, don't mean to be rud= e, but this thread is more focused on the quality and types of L here on th= e Road. Don't get me wrong, I love to hear what vendors are good for what,= but for the sake of discussion try and keep your commendations to L in thi= s thread =3D]
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: i3lazd on April 15, 2012, 06:17 pm
Yep nothing lost 22 bitcoins. Mike.Murphy was banned... was supposed to= send me 10 hits for 22 bitcoins out of escrow...

Anyone else got pu= re DANK L?
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: shai1973 on April 15, 2012, 06:30 pm<= /strong>
If you don't mean to be rude , so try your best really not to be rude,= if you read my massage you mite realize that I'm giving some information= about my experience buying LSD from important vendors in SR.
This forum= is an open forum, not your private forum, so try next time to be less rude= and keep this thoughts to yourself,

open forum - remember
peace=
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: shai1973 on April 15, 2012, 06:36 pm<= /strong>
Hey i3lazd, sorry to hear about Mike murphy scamming you, he is in the= black list of scammers , big problems with this scummers .
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: Roky on April 15, 2012, 07:01 pm
Quo= te from: shai1973 on April 15, 2012, 06:30 pm
If you don't mean to be rude , so try your best= really not to be rude, if you read my massage you mite realize that I'm gi= ving some information about my experience buying LSD from important vendors= in SR.
This forum is an open forum, not your private forum, so try next= time to be less rude and keep this thoughts to yourself,

open foru= m - remember
peace

I really wasn't rude in any way, I was= actually quite polite.

Only one of the people you listed was a ven= dor you had sampled from (Tony), the rest you had never purchased L from,= and the last two (3jane and Skyy) don't even currently vend L. My point is= that you should not be giving positive reviews to a) People who aren't eve= n selling L in a thread specifically about L and b) Reviews about products= that you have not even tested (ala Mit), not to say that Mit isn't a great= and well known vendor (I have purchased his stuff)

I am trying to= keep the discussion on topic. Just because it is an "open" forum does not= mean that anything goes anywhere.
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: shai1973 on April 15, 2012, 07:05 pm<= /strong>
By the way I forgot to praise DelEllis - I bought 25tabs from him few= weeks ago, --- great comunications, fast delivery, I took 3tabs and I was= tripping beautiful, lots of colors and everything was moving, I hope he wi= ll come back with some more of this wight blotters, he is a very good vendo= r.=20
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: shai1973 on April 15, 2012, 07:21 pm<= /strong>
So , I just got the report from Mitanox, he tested last night one tab= of his purple lotus, It seems like a good legitimate LSD, he is estimating= them at 110- 120 ug , I'm sure he will drop few lines with some trip detai= ls,
peace=20
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: shai1973 on April 16, 2012, 02:49 am<= /strong>
Hey HC the interview with nick sand is amazing, thanks budy
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: HC on April 17, 2012, 06:30 pm
my pleasure. :) glad you liked it.
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: shai1973 on April 18, 2012, 12:06 am<= /strong>
Very smart man, I love when he said that its interesting that our gener= ation needs the love drug- MDMA , with all the violence that the alcohol br= ings. very spiritual man .=20
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: shai1973 on April 18, 2012, 12:52 am<= /strong>
HC did you ever tried Tony's LSD?
Can you give me some info if you= know, I have lots of them from tony's but not sure about the crystal and= ug, defiantly cannot recognize the print
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: shai1973 on April 18, 2012, 12:55 am<= /strong>
what I do know is that putting 3 of that suckers on my tong , I'm in He= aven.=C2=A0 =C2=A0same my wife - but she needs only two :)=20
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: HC on April 19, 2012, 03:19 am
Haven't tried them myself yet. So from personal experience... In a few= days...

Here you can find them:

http://dkn255hz262ypmii.oni= on/index.php?topic=3D10774.msg122635#msg122635

as:

MAYAN CALE= NDERS 2012(Tony76)

He never changed the photo on his listing. But it= is basically the same. Same crystal same mcg. just the print has changed.=
The info is gathered from all over the forum.=C2=A0 But there seems to= be an uncertainty when it comes to the xtal. Silver or White?
Well i gu= ess i'll find out in a few days.


Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: 12345 on April 19, 2012, 06:50 am
Quo= te from: HC on April 19, 2012, 03:19 am
Haven't tried them myself yet. So from personal experi= ence... In a few days...

Here you can find them:

http://dkn2= 55hz262ypmii.onion/index.php?topic=3D10774.msg122635#msg122635

as:
MAYAN CALENDERS 2012(Tony76)

He never changed the photo on his= listing. But it is basically the same. Same crystal same mcg. just the pri= nt has changed.
The info is gathered from all over the forum.=C2=A0 But= there seems to be an uncertainty when it comes to the xtal. Silver or Whit= e?
Well i guess i'll find out in a few days.


after th= e sale we will know better
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: shai1973 on April 19, 2012, 09:23 am<= /strong>
Thanks=C2=A0 HC , much appreciation brother
Anything on Anarcho Wow'= s=C2=A0 ?
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: 12345 on April 19, 2012, 10:36 am
Quo= te from: shai1973 on April 19, 2012, 09:23 am
Thanks=C2=A0 HC , much appreciation brother
A= nything on Anarcho Wow's=C2=A0 ?

wait does anarcho sell Wow= or the so called tony prints?
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: shai1973 on April 19, 2012, 02:15 pm<= /strong>
He came with 150ug,=C2=A0 interesting .
last night me and my wife di= d MDA, from Jane, Amazing stuff, almost like LSD,
In any case , does an= ybody knows if MDA cross tolerance with LSD, our plan is for this coming Sa= turday to candyflip MDMA+LSD.
Is that a waist ??
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: Horizons on April 19, 2012, 09:36 pm<= /strong>
Quo= te from: shai1973 on April 19, 2012, 02:15 pm
He came with 150ug,=C2=A0 interesting .
last= night me and my wife did MDA, from Jane, Amazing stuff, almost like LSD,=
In any case , does anybody knows if MDA cross tolerance with LSD, our= plan is for this coming Saturday to candyflip MDMA+LSD.
Is that a waist= ??

AFAIK MDA causes cross-tolerance with MDMA, but not with= LSD.
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: shoosha2 on April 19, 2012, 10:33 pm<= /strong>
Quo= te from: shai1973 on April 18, 2012, 12:52 am
HC did you ever tried Tony's LSD?
Can you giv= e me some info if you know, I have lots of them from tony's but not sure ab= out the crystal and ug, defiantly cannot recognize the print

= As a partial answer to your questions I would guess that Tony's tabs are at= least 100ug if not more. I've tried everything from the LSDirect's Fantasi= a tabs and WoW to Envious's WoW and Del Ellis's WoW, all of which have are= known to be good, potent stuff, and find Tony's LSD comparable if not stro= nger. In fact it didn't feel a much weaker than the Avatar tabs which have= been rated at 130-150ug. I did take Tony's tabs after a long period of not= using so I'm sure my low tolerance played a part but with just one I was= blown away and shocked at how powerful it was. I assumed it would be a low= -dosage trip and while still light enough to be calm and manageable I did= not feel like I was missing something or needed to go higher, which is oft= en the case with other 100ug tabs I've tried.

Let us know what you= find out HC!
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: madestiny on April 20, 2012, 12:54 am=
Quo= te from: Horizons on April 19, 2012, 09:36 pm
Quote from: shai1973 on April 19, 2012, 02:15 pm
He came with 150ug,=C2= =A0 interesting .
last night me and my wife did MDA, from Jane, Amazing= stuff, almost like LSD,
In any case , does anybody knows if MDA cross= tolerance with LSD, our plan is for this coming Saturday to candyflip MDMA= +LSD.
Is that a waist ??

AFAIK MDA causes cross-tolerance= with MDMA, but not with LSD.

mda has no tolerance with lsd= or mdma i believe...serotonin depletion from mda is similar to mdma though= so space dosing accordingly.
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: shai1973 on April 20, 2012, 01:01 am<= /strong>
Thanks brothers.
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: shai1973 on April 22, 2012, 04:55 pm<= /strong>
so this is my story for today :
=C2=A0I was very happy to received= my 5MDMAcpackage from Skyy,
I was waiting for it for 2.5 weeks, Sky wa= s amazing and professional all the way .
And as a matter of fact I'm rol= ling right now, Its perfect,
So lets go back to last night, Took 3sids= from Tony magic, my wife took two.
We had , probably the highest trip= that we ever had , the plan was to candyflip , but the LSD was so strong= that we decided not to add nothing.
for all the people using magic, Ple= ase Please Please=C2=A0 - listen to the band "SHPONGLE" Specially to the tr= ack "nothing is something worth doing"
This music is to cry for, god mus= ic.
Love and Peace to all :)=C2=A0 :)

And again Tony, we love you= brother.
your LSD is the best by far I ever took,
Skyy=C2=A0 - your= MDMA is kicking me hard man - good fucking stuff .
=C2=A0
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: shai1973 on April 25, 2012, 12:30 am<= /strong>
check this out :=C2=A0 http://www.blotterart.net/gallery/albums.php
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: lsdrop on April 29, 2012, 12:05 pm
Quote= from: Ungoliant on February 01, 2012, 11:22 pm
+1 to get this pinned. Much more informative= than LSD vendor pinned list and also not full of bias. Would be great to= see more lab test. ecstacydata will do personalized lab test(although i'm= sure there are others), however ED requires $120 for things not ecstacy PL= US as least 20mg of substance which will be destroyed after test. This woul= d be somewhere between 250-350 hits at 75ug just to get a result. Im sure= there is something more practical.


hi there anyone that= wants to see and contribuite with pictures we are now starting a new and= great project called The Lsd Museum check it out, peace

http://lsdm= useum.blogspot.pt/p/lsd-blotter-museum.html
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: shai1973 on April 29, 2012, 01:36 pm<= /strong>
thats a nice one
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: shai1973 on May 04, 2012, 02:32 pm
Last night I took 3 sids from Jane's magic, my wife took 2.
It was= fucking Amazing, very strong body and mental for both of us, lots of visua= ls - colors and shit, and with the combination of good sex and Shpongle mus= ic ,=C2=A0 =C2=A0 MOTHERFUCKER BEAUTIFUL TRIP,
So far I tested Jane's MD= A and LSD, both are=C2=A0 =C2=A0-=C2=A0 ASS KICK.
LOVE YOU JANE,=C2=A0= =C2=A0 =C2=A0KEEP WITH YOUR MISSION AND SPREAD THE LOVE BABY

And by= the way , Jane delivers. by all means.
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: awesome1126 on June 13, 2012, 11:23= am
An update and dosage estimate on 3janes cid. Myself and 3 others have= all taken from 1-2 two hits. We have all had "confirmed" 100ug (GDF/Americ= an) and 80ug (Euro Buddha/Ganesha) hits from the likes of Enelysion, Asbjor= n, and USDirect, so we are using those doses for our 100ug and 80ug compari= son.

Also, the print should be described properly on here. The image= on the front is a Seed of Life mandala. I've been referring to these as su= ch.

My personal first hand account:

3Jane's LSD feels very cl= ean. On one hit, the come up is smooth and almost wraps you into a psychede= lic soft blanket. The peak was reached around hour 3, and continued for abo= ut 3 more hours. Visuals were minor, but present. Lots of color pops, "3D"= effect of graffiti on walls. iPhone's looking 3D with the icons moving aro= und. All typical of a light visual experience. Sleep was possible after 12= hours. There were no other drugs involved in this experience. That being= said, 1 hit will not rock your world as much as 1 hit of Ene's, USD's, or= even in my personal experience (some friends/researchers disagree) the com= mercial Euro blotter that Asbjorn was selling on here in the Fall.

= I believe the actual crystal on the paper to be much cleaner than the stand= ard Euro blotter (Ganesha, Buddha), and about the same purity as Ene's and= USD. (White/Silver 90%+)

And of course, how strong are they? After= multiple experiments with multiple experienced people, we all agree on a= range of 60-80ug per tab. Yup, 60-80ug. I know that's a variable range, bu= t that's the closest we can come as a group of very experienced and detail= oriented trippers.
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: Twelve_Pickles on September 25, 2012,= 02:46 am
It is an absolute shame that this thread died.

BUMP!!

the= gelcap furor and loads of new 'cid from mainland Europe and UK are making= the Acid scene alot more interesting :D
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: crystal on June 12, 2013, 09:56 pm
Quo= te from: Twelve_Pickles on September 25, 2012, 02:46 am
It is an absolute shame that this thre= ad died.


Yep, great thread. Just wanted to thank all of= you who did write here, that was a great, fascinating read!

Thanks= a lot brothers and sisters :)
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: awesome1126 on June 13, 2013, 08:27= pm
Much love, friends.
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: n0n00dz4u on June 13, 2013, 08:51 pm<= /strong>
No thank you.
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: =E2=98=BCLightOfPi=E2=98=BC on June= 13, 2013, 08:56 pm
I'm subscribing to this thread so I don't forget to post the lab result= s of the acid I'm selling now :)
It's the St. Albert print: already con= firmed as LSD, just waiting on dosage.
Title: Re: Collective Acid Database
Post by: atlas on June 13, 2013, 10:17 pm
+1 for Asbjorn
Old heads will remember him :)
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